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Yeah, but 50,000,000 is almost half of Walden's population. Two, Drosk (To my knowledge) has never posted anything on economic development, three Walden has begun diverting immense sums of money to industrialize his colony.

About God Rods:

Canadstein, some people on this board are actual physicists-like, university professors or actual nuclear engineers, and I listen to their judment. If you really wanna see somebody do it, go talk to the Kafers-he'll own anybody in a physics conversation.

The Draftroom (the new one-the old one was a tyrannical empire) is the place where the intellectual engineering minds of NS work together. It's the best source of information around here-what they say is a go. The high majority listens to the judgment of such, because they can actually back it up with statistics, equations, and numbers.

Now, on to Godrods-one, everybody around here calls them godrods, because saying "Rods of God" every time just is a waste of finger energy. American English-the choice of language on this board-frequently reduces words so we can say them with ease and quickness.

About their lethality-I consider them to be a WMD, but not because of their actual application. A lot of people consider them a strategic nuke-like weapon, but I consider them like a TacNuke, capable of knocking off a ship. However, I personally condone that as a nuclear strike, and will respond with nuclear, bio, and chem weapons. You can build 'em, sure, but I don't know about everyone else, but I'll respond by a strategic nuclear strike. That's how I roll.

Also, Godrods are in a way somewhat impractical. Due to acceleration due to gravity-9.8 m/s/s-a tungstun rod, even if propelled fast from a firing mechanism, would still take over two minutes to travel even from low orbit to the ground-that's more than enough time to fire multiple volleys of missiles at the sucker. Also, a simple kinetic impact will veer a Godrod drastically off-course-and something the size of a telegraph-pole is very easy to hit with precision weaponry.

About the space station-you'd have to research it, build it, and then deploy it to have it actually happen. Sure, you could do it. But you'd also have to make sure you could appropriate funding to actually construct a military-grade space station capable of firing strategic weaponry, by yourself, in a nation that is not one of the Top-5 wealthiest nations. So, if you were doing that-and good look concealing something like that, because to try and build that secretly would be awfully hard-you'd have to make it realistic. You can't have it already because you haven't detailed it.

The tech level extends to 2012-that's the usual max for MT. MT in NS incorporates designs such as the Su-47, the Mig 1.44, the J-xx, and the F-35. It also has included in the past things such as the Ford-class carrier, the Zumwalt and CGX lines of naval ships, and the Aurora spy plane. That's MT-it always has been, ever since I've been here (for one and a half years).

However, magnetically-accelerted shells are not capable to being used by 2012. That's impractical-Railguns and Coilguns have only really been used in labs, and not been able to be reduced practically to field-level designs. Additionally, lasers are barely in use today-there are few energy-based applications that could actually be functional by 2012.

There are multiple problems with lasers that will seriously hamper their ability in this timeframe. The most notorious is blooming-due to air and dust in the atmosphere, the longer a laser travels, it will begin to split and break up. It would only be able to be used as a short-distance weapon, or in short-time pulses (ie, what the X-Wing in Star Wars fires). Another is the actual conncetion itself-when a laser strikes a surface, it dissolves the target material. The material itself begins to evaporate, clouding the surface and breaking the laser focus. The beam itself breaks up. In addition, with all the disturbances in the atmosphere, the beam would likely be absorbed into the particulates of the atmosphere before it could even reach a target (this would be negated if it was a space-based laser). The final problem-and this will plague just about everything-is the massive power consumption of a laser. It uses a tremendous amount of power for the low-energy lasers that are used in today's industrial world, and scaling that up for a military-grade laser would result in an indordinate amount of power.

That's the science behind the problems of such.

Yeah, but 50,000,000 is almost half of Walden's population. Two, Drosk (To my knowledge) has never posted anything on economic development, three Walden has begun diverting immense sums of money to industrialize his colony.

The amount of people will only help matters in this case.

I beleive he is doing so now only. He is dirt poor with a country filled with untapped resources (Human and otherwise) not to mention strategic location and fairly desperate. (There certainly would have been a lot better canidates then Waldenburg to help him up.)

Anyway according to the diplomatic plan Waldenburg owns all the industry we are creating until the price of the entire investment has been paid, and a little on the side. Unless something absolutely terrible happens I feel very secure in the investment. After this is done he will still be a protectorate ,unless it draws outs to decades, in which case I will have added huge sums of moeny to a poor colony, waited a while, have my money back (Although I won't be spending much in the mean time) and will have a much richer colony. For the moment my economy is weakened by the loan, but I believe the whole thing will prove useful to both of us.

Alright, just curious.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12766865#post12766865

Thats my factbook, please post it.

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2012? What about if the commissioned deadline is between 2020 and 2012? For example, the Future Carrier, for the Royal Navy, is scheduled to be completed in that timeframe. The technology used will be pretty much the same as it is now, I think - it's just that the production won't happen until then. So, can I (as owner of the UK) have a couple CVF's (Future Carriers) 'in production' and come about in a couple RP months? I am also using the F-35C on some of my carriers, and I think you gave the green light for that plane...

Can anyone give the link for the Jamaica thread? I really need to post in that before I go...

Not to be a nag AB but could you switch the name Moortington to Mauratali? Also, here's my factbook link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12780653#post12780653).

Cmon people, post more on my Togo thread than just some crytic diplomatic language. =P

Cmon people, post more on my Togo thread than just some crytic diplomatic language. =P

Lol...it wasn't that cryptic.

I just realized that I have a pretty small and insignificant navy...would it be possible for after a very very long time of research to get an Ulyanovsk-Class Carrier? If not, I can just fall back into my zeppelin plan...

Lol...it wasn't that cryptic.
Not yours, the two previous to that.

I just realized that I have a pretty small and insignificant navy...would it be possible for after a very very long time of research to get an Ulyanovsk-Class Carrier? If not, I can just fall back into my zeppelin plan...

Lol...I spend like 60% of my military budget on Navy. Actually, probably more. If you want, we can offer a few ships for sale...

And, not to be a nitpick, but the Azores are waiting...

Not yours, the two previous to that.

Oh, I see.

Lol...I spend like 60% of my military budget on Navy. Actually, probably more. If you want, we can offer a few ships for sale...

And, not to be a nitpick, but the Azores are waiting...

I just replied to that. And yeah, I might buyy some ships, but I had a pretty cool idea involving zeppelins that could eliminate the need for me to even use carriers. The way I planned it, it could possibly be a very, very profitable venture for me by renting their services (which I will go over later) to the world.

Lol...I just made the most lucrative move in this earth so far. Who is RPing Togo, because you have an offer.

Futuris, I posted in your factbook in case you haden't noticed.

I just realized that I have a pretty small and insignificant navy...would it be possible for after a very very long time of research to get an Ulyanovsk-Class Carrier? If not, I can just fall back into my zeppelin plan...

Zeppelin, lol! Axis Nova always tries the Airship route, and people always blow 'em up.

If you researched it, sure. You're getting plenty of revenue through your mercs, as it is.

2012? What about if the commissioned deadline is between 2020 and 2012? For example, the Future Carrier, for the Royal Navy, is scheduled to be completed in that timeframe. The technology used will be pretty much the same as it is now, I think - it's just that the production won't happen until then. So, can I (as owner of the UK) have a couple CVF's (Future Carriers) 'in production' and come about in a couple RP months? I am also using the F-35C on some of my carriers, and I think you gave the green light for that plane...

Can anyone give the link for the Jamaica thread? I really need to post in that before I go...

If you put research into it, sure. You'd have to bring them out (production-wise) one-at-a-time, but sure.

Zeppelin, lol! Axis Nova always tries the Airship route, and people always blow 'em up.

If you researched it, sure. You're getting plenty of revenue through your mercs, as it is.

The Zeppelins aren't planned in any role for assault, more like a very large mobile refueling station. I could launch five or six of them and have them floating around at strategic positions on the globe, then rent their feul services to those willing to pay for it. Or maybe...nah, i'll save the other idea for later.

Someone needs to be Togo; I'm planning to be in on the conflict, otherwise, I would fill the position. If no one steps up I'll try and be both, yet I can't promise to be completely Togo-oriented if I do.

Someone needs to be Togo; I'm planning to be in on the conflict, otherwise, I would fill the position. If no one steps up I'll try and be both, yet I can't promise to be completely Togo-oriented if I do.

Yeah, I need someone to be Togo so they can accept my lucrative offer...

Yeah, I need someone to be Togo so they can accept my lucrative offer...

Someone else needs to be Togo. Me and Candistan are going to be both involved, so AB (or Granate) should probably do the NPC, unless someone else wants to.

And Candistan, I replied in the Naval thread.

Someone else needs to be Togo. Me and Candistan are going to be both involved, so AB (or Granate) should probably do the NPC, unless someone else wants to.

And Candistan, I replied in the Naval thread.

Yup, so did I. And whoever decides to be Togo, I have a lot of money to blow on that deal, so choose wisely: subjugation or cash! (Remember that you are a suppressive dictator...what do you think you will choose.)

Carlo:

How much of my Oil are you taking at $55 a Barrel? so I can figure out how much of a boost that is to my economy? by the way if anyone else wants cheap oil just pop a message on my fact book and we'll talk providing Carlo dosn't take it all

Carlo:

How much of my Oil are you taking at $55 a Barrel? so I can figure out how much of a boost that is to my economy? by the way if anyone else wants cheap oil just pop a message on my fact book and we'll talk providing Carlo dosn't take it all

Doesn't Carloginias have Russia? I thought Russia was a big producer of oil...

Doesn't Carloginias have Russia? I thought Russia was a big producer of oil...

I do. I am not going to nationalize my oil industry though. Russia.. out of 10 is 7-9. I don't have the exact amount right now. + I am pretty sure I produce less then I need.

Oh shit, I majory underestimated Russia's oil capacity. Fuck. I won't be needing oil, and I won't have any problems with the oil industry.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2179/yoobetchaitsanotehrupdanv0.png

Current map.

About Togo:

I'll be gone in two days from now 'till the 3rd, so that's probaly not a good idea to have me do it (unless you want that RP to go on forever...)

Well...if Togo accepts my deal...

About Togo:

I'll be gone in two days from now 'till the 3rd, so that's probaly not a good idea to have me do it (unless you want that RP to go on forever...)

Granate, you colored Togo instead of Benin.

Granate, you colored Togo instead of Benin.

And? Once you get both under your control I'll change it.

I need someone to RP Tunisia

And? Once you get both under your control I'll change it.
No, I meant that Benin is under my control now, but it's uncolored. Togo is not, and it is colored.

I need someone to RP Tunisia
I might be able to do that. Link?

Heres the link
Tunisia Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530461)

No, I meant that Benin is under my control now, but it's uncolored. Togo is not, and it is colored.

I figured as much. No need to act like I am an idiot. I am just saying that I will fix it when I feel like it.

I figured as much. No need to act like I am an idiot. I am just saying that I will fix it when I feel like it.
I'm not. Sorry if I seem nit-picky.

I'm not. Sorry if I seem nit-picky.

I'm used to it, especially with the pack of bone-heads we got here.

New attack helo. Just posting it here before I do so in the IC Thread.

AH-35 "War Bird" Attack Helicopter
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/Skitsojd/attackchopperaz5.png
Lineart by Czechalrus, Thank you again man.

The AH-35 War Bird is an upgraded version of the AH-32 Munich Attack Helicopter used by the Granatian Military. The AH-32 saw only use by the Granatian Military and it's numbers were moderate at best. Although proclaimed to be better then bother AH-64 Apache or the Mi-28 Havoc, it failed to win over the hearts of the defense departments in other countries. So it was in the 5th year of the Munich's service that Hellsing was asked to design a upgraded/heavily modified version of it. Hellsing took this to heart.

Although much of the original Munich still shines through, the War Bird is a completely different Helicopter. It is longer and has much more powerful engines, compared to the Munich. This allowed for increased avionics, armor, and more rounds for the 30mm chin gun. With these upgrades in place, the AH-35 seeks to win over the hearts of the world's armies with sheer power.


General Info
Crew: 2 (Pilot, Weapons Officer)
Length: 20.7m
Rotor diameter: 16.2m
Height: 4.5m
Disc area: 248.3m square
Empty weight: 9,500 kgs (20,900 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 16,000kgs (35200 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1650, 2,300hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 4 blades tail.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,450 rounds
Missiles: Combination of up to 18x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Price: 26.9 Million USD Per System.

And? Once you get both under your control I'll change it.

What if he doesn't? What if Schroeder takes control and a hard fought battle ensues with neither side the victor? /nitpick again

Just sayin' ;)

So yeah, plane flight tomorrow, I'm going off to bed pretty soon here. I'll probably be next available in two to three days, so the Azores will have to wait a bit, as well as Canary and Mediera islands. And Sao Tome...well. I've got a lot of imperialism here to do.

I'm used to it, especially with the pack of bone-heads we got here.

*Hears 'bonehead' and promptly raises hand*

As for your helicopter, could I buy one or two for test drive, persay?

I know Czechalrus, he posted about once when I invaded is country in EU1914; good to see he does other stuff.

*Hears 'bonehead' and promptly raises hand*

As for your helicopter, could I buy one or two for test drive, persay?

I know Czechalrus, he posted about once when I invaded is country in EU1914; good to see he does other stuff.

Once it goes on the market talk to me. I still have to design a Sea-Going Version and Fast-Attack Version. Don't expect different pictures though.

Carloginians Check Your TGS plz

Once it goes on the market talk to me. I still have to design a Sea-Going Version and Fast-Attack Version. Don't expect different pictures though.

I'd still like that more heavy hitter version, mainly because my navy is all 'brown water' and consists of a couple monitors and as for the fast-attack, well that just seems like a half-baked full version.

Carloginians Check Your TGS plz

You don't have a good factbook where I can lodge a formal complaint about your invasion, or do you?

So yeah, plane flight tomorrow, I'm going off to bed pretty soon here. I'll probably be next available in two to three days, so the Azores will have to wait a bit, as well as Canary and Mediera islands. And Sao Tome...well. I've got a lot of imperialism here to do.
So much for calling me the imperialist, lol.

You don't have a good factbook where I can lodge a formal complaint about your invasion, or do you?
Link to thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530461

Better yet, you can give Tunisia some weapons/aid.

I'd still like that more heavy hitter version, mainly because my navy is all 'brown water' and consists of a couple monitors and as for the fast-attack, well that just seems like a half-baked full version.

Well the current model is an all-around model that can operate at Sea, can be used as a Fast-Attack Gun Ship, and a Hunter-Killer chopper. The other models will be better suited for their tasks.

If you want a heavy-hitter you definately want a Mi-24 Hind Type of Aircraft.

Well the current model is an all-around model that can operate at Sea, can be used as a Fast-Attack Gun Ship, and a Hunter-Killer chopper. The other models will be better suited for their tasks.

If you want a heavy-hitter you definately want a Mi-24 Hind Type of Aircraft.

A "more" heavy hitter, I want it to be fast enough to cross the vast distances of the African deserts in good speed; I just wasn't looking for something too fast and flimsy. All-around fits the bill perfectly.

Link to thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530461

Better yet, you can give Tunisia some weapons/aid.

Ah, I did a little better then just weapons/aid.

The Mi-24 Hind is still my favorite Helicopter of all time. It's basically this big flying tank that flys in and blows a bunch of shit up and then drops a bunch of crazy mother-fuckers to ruin your day.

God

Ah, I did a little better then just weapons/aid.
Good. Still, could you give Tunisia's military some weapons? I could pay you for them.

I'm not going to just roll over and say 'annex me' like some of the other invasion RPs I see on EFJ. =P

:D Hello I am just wondering if i could sign up? I noticed Zimbabwes free is that still the case or not?.

The Mi-24 Hind is still my favorite Helicopter of all time. It's basically this big flying tank that flys in and blows a bunch of shit up
Amen

and then drops a bunch of crazy mother-fuckers to ruin your day.

God
Sounds good, I think Von Braun needs to spoil his 'nest egg' and buy a couple of these 'flying tanks'.

Good. Still, could you give Tunisia's military some weapons? I could pay you for them.

I'm not going to just roll over and say 'annex me' like some of the other invasion RPs I see on EFJ. =P

Sure, I'll just say I shiped you some rifles, grenades, trucks, and whatnot. Adds a boost to the economy; beyond that I dunno what I can say, I've always been a tad poor at knowing what kind of weaponary is available to any countries outside of Europe.

:D Hello I am just wondering if i could sign up? I noticed Zimbabwes free is that still the case or not?.

As long as you don't go off warmongering as well, then sure; because I really don't want to try and real in the whole African continent at the same time. (I, of course, can't actually approve, just adding my two cents.)

;) fair enough.

are Zambia and Malawi cool also?

If i get let in I would be the Grand Duchy of Hatredstan

;) fair enough.

are Zambia and Malawi cool also?

If i get let in I would be the Grand Duchy of Hatredstan
Sweet, another African nation. Heads up, there's going to be a conference soon to create an African coalition. I'll post the link tomorrow.

;) fair enough.

are Zambia and Malawi cool also?

If i get let in I would be the Grand Duchy of Hatredstan

Seems fine by me. Seeing as how all the Class One Nations are taken, you can basically take seven nations...although the South Pacific is, at this time, discouraged from anything until I get back shortly. You see, I have even more imperialism to do when I get back...

@Granzi: Meh, my government talks diplomacy, money, and war. That was clever name-calling to justify my own imperialistic tendencies. Or in other words, the diplomacy option.

Sweet, another African nation. Heads up, there's going to be a conference soon to create an African coalition. I'll post the link tomorrow.

Shit...there goes my imperialism in Africa...although I bet I can squeeze in Sao Tome and Tunisia here.

But, uh...I'm in Zimbabwe right now taking it over, remember? Under the name of Agnolia?

Carloginians Check Your TGS plz

TGed you.

I think before the Togo thing moves on any further that we choose someone to be Togo. Otherwise, it is a one-sided land grab with pretty much no resistance.

Shit...there goes my imperialism in Africa...although I bet I can squeeze in Sao Tome and Tunisia here.
Tunisia, maybe. Sao Tome, no. It's too close to the Commonwealth for me not to get involved. See the Togo thread for more details.

Oh, and Futuris, two things.

1. Did you reply to my last post in the Azores thread?

and

2. Want to hire some mercenaries for your next moves?

I think before the Togo thing moves on any further that we choose someone to be Togo. Otherwise, it is a one-sided land grab with pretty much no resistance.
As you'll notice, I haven't made any more army movements yet, just diplomatic materials. It's not a land-grab.

I think I'm going to start an "Imperialist Club" or something. Those peace-loving African nations are starting to get really, really annoying. :p

Actually, I'm writing the thread right now, a conference of imperialistic nations. *celebrates imperialism*

Oh, and Futuris, two things.

1. Did you reply to my last post in the Azores thread?

and

2. Want to hire some mercenaries for your next moves?

1. Yup.

2. We'll see. Right now, my main concern is the naval status of Granzi. Otherwise, I'm pretty much safe.

And...I just realized that Algeria (my possession) is directly in the way between both Moorington and Granzi to get to Tunisia.

I think I'm going to start an "Imperialist Club" or something. Those peace-loving African nations are starting to get really, really annoying. :p

Actually, I'm writing the thread right now, a conference of imperialistic nations. *celebrates imperialism*

Can the Schroeder Corp. join that? It'd be good for business.

Oh you should worried about my navy. It's kick-ass, and the strongest part of my military. ;)

On a side note, it seems slightly ridiculous for the Azores to start out so assertive about its independence, then suddenly mellow out and give up. An RP over on the first page?

....

There are two other reasons why I want to be in the imperialist club.

1. I have commited some imperialist acts (Zimbabwe)

and

2. The African Hippie/Peace/Love Conference thing is bad for business because it promotes the dirty P-word: Peace. Peace is bad for business when you have an army of mercenaries, and as long as there are imperialists around, I stay in business. United regions kill my business. I haven't done much of it yet, but soon I may sart to promote conflicts and such to get some mercs out in the field.

Oh you should worried about my navy. It's kick-ass, and the strongest part of my military. ;)

On a side note, it seems slightly ridiculous for the Azores to start out so assertive about its independence, then suddenly mellow out and give up. An RP over on the first page?

....

Well, had Futuris not accepted my ultimatum, then I can assure you the outcome would have been COMPLETELY different. The whole goal was to maintain soveriegnty, which the Azores did, plus they gained some things out of it. They don't need to spend things on military goods, they get to vote in his gov't, and their economy will most likely rise with the new tourist and shipping boom bound to come with its protectorate status.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530469

Droskianishk elections have ended... check it out

Aw crap...an Islamic Thocracy next to me..this does not bode well for my extemely secular nation

I think before the Togo thing moves on any further that we choose someone to be Togo. Otherwise, it is a one-sided land grab with pretty much no resistance.

Well honestly, what kind of African will consider the choice of democracy or dictatorship. Then pick dictatorship, especially since Togo would be so economically dependent anyhow.

I think I'm going to start an "Imperialist Club" or something. Those peace-loving African nations are starting to get really, really annoying. :p

Actually, I'm writing the thread right now, a conference of imperialistic nations. *celebrates imperialism*

LOL, AMW re-make, what did NG call ourselves? Uh, Revivalists? Regardless, all of Europe turned Absolute Monarchy and went to war against Africa and the slightly larger ECOWAS, Beth Gellert (Communist India) and some other African states. Good times... Good times...

1. Yup.

2. We'll see. Right now, my main concern is the naval status of Granzi. Otherwise, I'm pretty much safe.

And...I just realized that Algeria (my possession) is directly in the way between both Moorington and Granzi to get to Tunisia.

What about my venerable navy? All 130 men and 3 river boats; never know when they can pop out of the woodwork and lay waste to one of your nuclear aircraft carriers.


2. The African Hippie/Peace/Love Conference thing is bad for business because it promotes the dirty P-word: Peace. Peace is bad for business when you have an army of mercenaries, and as long as there are imperialists around, I stay in business. United regions kill my business. I haven't done much of it yet, but soon I may sart to promote conflicts and such to get some mercs out in the field.

Our New Motto: Unexpletiveing P**** (New word!)

I think I'm going to start an "Imperialist Club" or something. Those peace-loving African nations are starting to get really, really annoying. :p

Actually, I'm writing the thread right now, a conference of imperialistic nations. *celebrates imperialism*

Oh! I want to come. I mean, I did massacre lots of Mongolians ;)

Oh! I want to come. I mean, I did massacre lots of Mongolians ;)

The Imperialist Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530498)

Who would I be in trouble with if I assisted Tunisia?

Who would I be in trouble with if I assisted Tunisia?

Well, basically me and Shakal, who are going to be (probably) members of the Imperial Club/Alliance. A few nations in Africa are looking at assisting Tunisia, but otherwise, that's the only people involved so far. I hope *cough* that you don't *cough* assist Tunisia *cough*. :p

@Candistan: Yeah, sure you can join. Having you on our side means business. ;)

Anybody else than, like Amb, or maybe even Cali (didn't you take Honduras) if you're in for the whole imperialism deal, check it out. Oh, and Corbournne too, those little incidents in Europe...

What about my venerable navy? All 130 men and 3 river boats; never know when they can pop out of the woodwork and lay waste to one of your nuclear aircraft carriers.

Lol...I'm not too worried about what Granzi can pull up, either. :p

@Granzi: Do you have a factbook, so I can see what you've got in that military?

Well, basically me and Shakal, who are going to be (probably) members of the Imperial Club/Alliance. A few nations in Africa are looking at assisting Tunisia, but otherwise, that's the only people involved so far. I hope *cough* that you don't *cough* assist Tunisia *cough*. :p

@Candistan: Yeah, sure you can join. Having you on our side means business. ;)

Anybody else than, like Amb, or maybe even Cali (didn't you take Honduras) if you're in for the whole imperialism deal, check it out. Oh, and Corbournne too, those little incidents in Europe...

I'll be quiet about it then. I ICly want diplomatically strong relations with you, but ICly my nations a bit so-so about Shakal and would prefer him not to be powerful in other contintents as well.

Also, as for the Imperial Club, I'll attend the meeting, though I may have some stuff to say about this as my nation is probably not "Imperialistic" anymore - ignoring the actions in Mongolia. :p

Hate to prod Futuris but still need some kind of answer

Drosk, keep in mind that most of the people in Carloginian Turkey are Carloginian (Russian).

Drosk, keep in mind that most of the people in Carloginian Turkey are Carloginian (Russian).

How so? Massive immigration?

I'll be quiet about it then. I ICly want diplomatically strong relations with you, but ICly my nations a bit so-so about Shakal and would prefer him not to be powerful in other contintents as well.

Also, as for the Imperial Club, I'll attend the meeting, though I may have some stuff to say about this as my nation is probably not "Imperialistic" anymore - ignoring the actions in Mongolia. :p

That's fine - I'll get to the Meeting Leaders thread too, shortly.

Hate to prod Futuris but still need some kind of answer

I answered. We're going to need a reply from Animarnia before we continue, since I want to see the details of both plans, etc.

How so? Massive immigration?

Do it, and I'll ban immigration across my border.

Looks like Ani and I both aren't big fans of Islamic Theocracies. That might constitute a MDP.

That's fine - I'll get to the Meeting Leaders thread too, shortly.



I answered. We're going to need a reply from Animarnia before we continue, since I want to see the details of both plans, etc.

Thanks


Do it, and I'll ban immigration across my border.

Looks like Ani and I both aren't big fans of Islamic Theocracies. That might constitute a MDP

And you misunderstood me, I was asking how are most people in Carloginias Turkey ethnic Russians did you have massive immigration or...?

And your both over reacting to the elections as of now Musharaf is only vice president, he has introduced a 'House of Clerics' legislation bill but this has to pass the parliament (which is 70% 'secular' (more like 90% secular as 20% of Parliament is Socialist) , as secular as muslim politicians get,) and the President (who is also 'secular') must sign it. Big odds.

And MDP?

We got to choose our nations ethnicities, remember? That's why Hanako in RL China is European and why I have a 40% Afrikaans population instead of a 10% one/.

We got to choose our nations ethnicities, remember? That's why Hanako in RL China is European and why I have a 40% Afrikaans population instead of a 10% one/.


Ahhh got ya

Some other news though My new and vastly improved factbook should be up by tonight

Lol...I'm not too worried about what Granzi can pull up, either. :p

@Granzi: Do you have a factbook, so I can see what you've got in that military?
No factbook, too lazy for that. =D

Here's what a standard Granzian battlefleet is composed of. I've got about 15-16 of them, plus assorted other naval vessels.

Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total
Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total

Stats available upon request.

No factbook, too lazy for that. =D

Here's what a standard Granzian battlefleet is composed of. I've got about 15-16 of them, plus assorted other naval vessels.

Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total
Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total

Stats available upon request.


How do you support 16 Battlefleets on the economies of third world countires? I realize Nigeria is a Class 1 country but I assumed it was for population, not the wadges of cash hanging out of thier pockets. This is rather large even if the entire world was in your pocket.

No factbook, too lazy for that. =D

Here's what a standard Granzian battlefleet is composed of. I've got about 15-16 of them, plus assorted other naval vessels.

Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total
Standard Battlefleet

2 Carrier Groups
1 Surface Task Force
2 Submarine Squadrons
1 Amphibious Assault Fleet
2 Supply Fleets

207 ships total
287 vessels total

Standard Carrier Group

2 Glacier Class Aircraft Carriers
2 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
4 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

18 ships total

Standard Surface Task Force

1 Commonwealth Class Dreadnaught
2 Calypso Class Dreadnaughts
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
4 Swiftsure Class Destroyers
6 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Portos Class Catamarans

25 ships total

Standard Submarine Squadron

6 Spirit Class Submarines
2 Marlin Class Submarine Tenders

8 ships total

Standard Amphibious Assault Fleet

2 Roydia Class Battleships
2 Torrent Class Arsenal Ships
4 Carthage Class Air Defense Cruisers
2 Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ships
2 Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ships
6 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
8 Champlain Class Frigates
8 Lionfish Class Missile Frigates
4 Perrigon Class Minesweepers
8 Portos Class Catamarans
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships
20 Blitz Class LPD
80 Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft

76 ships total
156 vessels total

Standard Supply Fleet

1 Athios Class Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Adari Class Air Defense Destroyers
4 Fredora Class Multipurpose AAW Destroyers
4 Champlain Class Frigates
6 Grevant Class Missile Frigates
10 Executor Class Combat Logistics Ships

27 ships total

Stats available upon request.

Go make a Factbook now. That's not a request. That's an order. You need a Factbook to finalize your original claims, otherwise someone else could come along and claim then and make a factbook, thus negating your claim.

Also you need a factbook to show us your economy, otherwise I will not allow you to have that large of a military.

Go make a Factbook now. That's not a request. That's an order. You need a Factbook to finalize your original claims, otherwise someone else could come along and claim then and make a factbook, thus negating your claim.

Also you need a factbook to show us your economy, otherwise I will not allow you to have that large of a military.

The Factbook, yeah...and even if he does make a factbook, he's not going to have such a large military.

@Granzi: Remember, we use the GDP's from the countries we have.

Nigeria = 190 billion
Niger = 12 billion
Burkina Faso = 18 billion
Ghana = 60 billion
Ivory Coast = 30 billion
Benin = 8 bllion

Total: 318 billion

Considering that you are a normal, peace-loving nation, anywhere from 1-5% of that is on military, so let's say 3%,

Military Budget = 9.5 billion, and that's for army, air force, navy, and of course, paying your troops. A nimitz-class aircraft carrier costs 4.5 billion, plus a 160 million operating cost. You have several carriers in one battlefleet, plus a large number of other vessels...and 15-16 battlefleets? I'm sorry to say, but you couldn't afford one. Once you make your factbook, it'll be much easier to see what you can afford and such. I have 6 Fleets, and they're smaller than one of your battlefleets.

Obviously, I'm not RP as present day west Africa, with all the corruption and bad things that go with it. If you've read the beginning of the Togo thread, you'll see how Nigeria et al. have changed.

@ Granate: What do you mean that you won't let me have this navy? It's what Granzi has, and if you need proof of my economy, check out one of the NS calculators.

Obviously, I'm not RP as present day west Africa, with all the corruption and bad things that go with it. If you've read the beginning of the Togo thread, you'll see how Nigeria et al. have changed.

@ Granate: What do you mean that you won't let me have this navy? It's what Granzi has, and if you need proof of my economy, check out one of the NS calculators.

Go read the front page dip-shit. You use the countries you claimed Economies and Populations. Basically the only thing you have control over is their history and ethnicity. You can change their military sure, but you'd have to be able to pay for it.

The Factbook, yeah...and even if he does make a factbook, he's not going to have such a large military.

@Granzi: Remember, we use the GDP's from the countries we have.

Nigeria = 190 billion
Niger = 12 billion
Burkina Faso = 18 billion
Ghana = 60 billion
Ivory Coast = 30 billion
Benin = 8 bllion

Total: 318 billion

Considering that you are a normal, peace-loving nation, anywhere from 1-5% of that is on military, so let's say 3%,

Military Budget = 9.5 billion, and that's for army, air force, navy, and of course, paying your troops. A nimitz-class aircraft carrier costs 4.5 billion, plus a 160 million operating cost. You have several carriers in one battlefleet, plus a large number of other vessels...and 15-16 battlefleets? I'm sorry to say, but you couldn't afford one. Once you make your factbook, it'll be much easier to see what you can afford and such. I have 6 Fleets, and they're smaller than one of your battlefleets.
That's not quite fair. If you're using this system, then the people who showed up first have the chance to grab all the developed countries.

That's not quite fair. If you're using this system, then the people who showed up first have the chance to grab all the developed countries.

Complain to AB. We just enforce his rules.

Ok, I have a question. Seeing how MT NS tech tends to be much more expensive/advanced than RL weapons, I think that even the most developed nations in RL would be hard pressed to find enough money to buy/maintain them. How do you apply this to the rule that you are limited by RL population, land, and GDP, but can also use NS tech?

Okay, so Granzi's completely wrong, but I don't think that it helps to go calling people dipshits, eh? Let's try not to do that without really good cause!

Granzi... people who showed up first had the chance to claim all the rich nations, but someone was always going to, hm? I showed up quite early, and I claimed Belarus, Latvia, and Lithuania. I could have had bigger and richer nations, but I chose to take on a bit of an RPing challenge. The operative word? Chance.

How ever we work it out, some nations are always going to be richer. If you rely on the off-site calculators then people who came to NS first always win. Here, people who came to this RP first may win-out, but -as in my case- they may choose not to.

Either way, this earth has about six and a half billion people on it. There's no room for any nation to have umpteen battle-fleets with hundreds of warships, even if they did claim all the 'best' nations.

Look at it this way Granzi: For once, the little guys have a chance to be big.

In normal NS, people of your and my caliber have the opportunity to smash the '07 nations beneath our boots. Every time. Earths mix things up and allow for more opportunity.

Besides, I needed a controlling factor-and I needed a method to prevent things from getting out of hand. If you've ever played an over-balanced strategy game, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. If everyone could set their own GDPs, then everyone would have a $15 trillion GDP with a massive budget. That's unrealistic-Earth as we know it in the real world is a nation of little parity. There are the winners and the losers.

GDP, Population, and Land are the three best controlling factors for an Earth that are easy to manage and are fairly all-encompassing. It ensures that we can have a modest amount of strong and small nations. There are always ways to get around status, and always ways to lose status-you just have to be crafty. If we all were the same, this Earth would devolve into meaningless. For the sake of interest and change-ups in the Earth, we can not have standing parity-it can grow, sure, but growing on some cases generally means someone else gets knocked down a par.

This Earth is gunning for realism while trying to say lasseiz-faire - see SYAE if you want one that wasn't hands-free - but these three factors are really the only limitations to the world. It's completely fair, and completely justified-hell, even some of the little guys are managing, such as Ambrose-Douglas (the Carribbean is not a place of much wealth), Kansiov, and Kampfers. Play your cards right, and you'll come out on top-you'll just need to think outside of the traditional, dull NS box of frontal action.

Ok, I have a question. Seeing how MT NS tech tends to be much more expensive/advanced than RL weapons, I think that even the most developed nations in RL would be hard pressed to find enough money to buy/maintain them. How do you apply this to the rule that you are limited by RL population, land, and GDP, but can also use NS tech?

Most NS Tech technologies aren't that more expensive then Modern Tech technologies. Also, once you start mass producing certain things, their price goes down because it becomes more and more efficient as it goes on.

Bulgia did you reply? If so, please TG or post here when you do. Ty.

Hm.. I see. The other Earth's that I've been involved in (all previous to Granzi being deated for inactivity) were all based on NS stats.

Still, I think that having a model based on RL earth unfairly exploits the current gross inequities that are present in the system today. Some nations, the United States and Europe for example, are several decades if not more ahead technologically than the nations in Africa. So what you inevitably get (and what I saw before I started RPing EFJ) is a repeat of old-style imperialism.

Hm.. I see. The other Earth's that I've been involved in (all previous to Granzi being deated for inactivity) were all based on NS stats.

Still, I think that having a model based on RL earth unfairly exploits the current gross inequities that are present in the system today. Some nations, the United States and Europe for example, are several decades if not more ahead technologically than the nations in Africa. So what you inevitably get (and what I saw before I started RPing EFJ) is a repeat of old-style imperialism.

Well too bad. You'll have to deal with it.

posted in Monogl thread. Awaiting AB's arrival.

Look at it this way Granzi: For once, the little guys have a chance to be big.

In normal NS, people of your and my caliber have the opportunity to smash the '07 nations beneath our boots. Every time. Earths mix things up and allow for more opportunity.

Besides, I needed a controlling factor-and I needed a method to prevent things from getting out of hand. If you've ever played an over-balanced strategy game, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. If everyone could set their own GDPs, then everyone would have a $15 trillion GDP with a massive budget. That's unrealistic-Earth as we know it in the real world is a nation of little parity. There are the winners and the losers.

GDP, Population, and Land are the three best controlling factors for an Earth that are easy to manage and are fairly all-encompassing. It ensures that we can have a modest amount of strong and small nations. There are always ways to get around status, and always ways to lose status-you just have to be crafty. If we all were the same, this Earth would devolve into meaningless. For the sake of interest and change-ups in the Earth, we can not have standing parity-it can grow, sure, but growing on some cases generally means someone else gets knocked down a par.

This Earth is gunning for realism while trying to say lasseiz-faire - see SYAE if you want one that wasn't hands-free - but these three factors are really the only limitations to the world. It's completely fair, and completely justified-hell, even some of the little guys are managing, such as Ambrose-Douglas (the Carribbean is not a place of much wealth), Kansiov, and Kampfers. Play your cards right, and you'll come out on top-you'll just need to think outside of the traditional, dull NS box of frontal action.
I've never been the one to throw million man armies around, and I don't believe that population automatically qualifies one side or another as the victor. I try to compensate for Granzi's huge size by cutting the ratio of armed forces to civilians. So I understand where you're coming from. But I do see another kind of inequality coming into play.

Droak, you must mean, 1.16 trillion correct?

my nations GDP is 115-116 Trillion haha and here I'm probably one of the (if not the) poorest nation.

you mean billion

and my economy is pretty bad to. Unfortunately I was on vacation when AB started this earth. Damn you ESS RPers for not saving me my nations from ESS!

Replied, Kamp.

The world ain't far-and in NS, it's even less fair. You have uber-nations like Questers and Automagfreek-and then the little guys like spacebal I. Ie when Pythogria, a December '05 nation like me, and I tried to engage in defensive warfare against Kraven Corp. and Whyatica, Pyth got wiped off the map and his homeland blasted.

Such is inequality in NS-far more drastic then RL.

my nations GDP is 115-116 Trillion haha and here I'm probably one of the (if not the) poorest nation.

Hm.. I see. The other Earth's that I've been involved in (all previous to Granzi being deated for inactivity) were all based on NS stats.

Still, I think that having a model based on RL earth unfairly exploits the current gross inequities that are present in the system today. Some nations, the United States and Europe for example, are several decades if not more ahead technologically than the nations in Africa. So what you inevitably get (and what I saw before I started RPing EFJ) is a repeat of old-style imperialism.


A narrow view of the world where right=everyone exactly the same in everyway so no one has a chance of winning, a chaotic view. And a world based on NS stats unfairly exploit the current gross inequities of who came first now has a larger population a larger GDP a larger and better equipt military because they came into existence first, so what you get inevitably is a repeat of old-style imperialism.

Either way people are going to whine, first come first serve is the fairest way to do it.

Well too bad. You'll have to deal with it.
Will you stop with these unhelpful OOC comments? I'm trying to talk about these points with respect to everyone's positions, and I haven't tried to push to change the entire system.

No my NS nation's GDP is $112,964,715,850,582 (Sunset RPG calculator) it just came down from 116 some odd trillion

in EFJ it is 102 billion some odd

1. Granzi needs a factbook.

2. New Sig!

No my NS nation's GDP is $112,964,715,850,582 (Sunset RPG calculator) it just came down from 116 some odd trillion

in EFJ it is 102 billion some odd

I here ya'-I got a $52 trillion defense budget in NS. Ain't even close to $600 billion here.

Ok, I have a question. Seeing how MT NS tech tends to be much more expensive/advanced than RL weapons, I think that even the most developed nations in RL would be hard pressed to find enough money to buy/maintain them. How do you apply this to the rule that you are limited by RL population, land, and GDP, but can also use NS tech?

If you use RL Tech, you get to have more. If you're using NS Tech (that's more expensive) you can have it, but less of it. Quality: Quantity.

1. Granzi needs a factbook.

2. New Sig!

"You smoke this sh*t or we gonna have some problems!"

Chappelle owns.

I here ya'-I got a $52 trillion defense budget in NS. Ain't even close to $600 billion here.

Thats f***ing huge man haha my defense budget right now is only 8 trillion (I have 0 income tax thus use a very small percentage of the GDP) ... my defense budget here I am ashamed to say... so I will remain silent haha

I hate all ya'll. My GDP here is only 790.761 Billion since I was a late comer, and my NS Defense budget is almost 2 billion. When I read TPM's look back, I was so mad to read that when he first started as Tryador, the largest nations only had 100 mill. Thats a lot easier to fight than 200 mill vs 5 bill. Case in point, I was invaded by Blackhelm. Only a great international response saved me.

Granate, if you could add the Azores to my nation...

I think a list is in order to rank the worlds (EFJ) poorest nation... my EFJ nation's GDP 102 Billion (approx)

"You smoke this sh*t or we gonna have some problems!"

Chappelle owns.

Yeah, what's with the Chappelle show sig-mania? :p

Hm.. I see. The other Earth's that I've been involved in (all previous to Granzi being deated for inactivity) were all based on NS stats.

Still, I think that having a model based on RL earth unfairly exploits the current gross inequities that are present in the system today. Some nations, the United States and Europe for example, are several decades if not more ahead technologically than the nations in Africa. So what you inevitably get (and what I saw before I started RPing EFJ) is a repeat of old-style imperialism.

Actually we are allowed a certain amount of liberties with this. For example (i control Sweden Denmark that area) and have placed a tax on the Oresund strait and by that control the Baltic. The Rl Denmark does not to do that but I can, there by increasing my GDP through that. It's just when it changes from 100 billion to a trillion over night. As long as it is justifiable in the current situation with the land and people you control change it.

The only three factors are GDP, Population and area. Although I've been meaning to ask that if we write our own history then our economies should mirror it. RL Africa ripped apart by Imperialism and slavery, but here a country could have been one unified state for thousands of years and never had any trouble with outsiders. (Any passing mod with an answer is sought after)

My long rambling point is increase your GDP through the use of the clever plan, it may not have worked Rl but here who nows. I personally have recently increased a countries GDP by about 86% with a single loan. His country, also a dirt poor african who recently lost a war is on the rise like never before, yours is bigger and all around better then his. Also technologically you can have whatever you want, if the Commonwealth wants nuclear generators then go ahead, but the money has to come from somewhere.

Actually we are allowed a certain amount of liberties with this. For example (i control Sweden Denmark that area) and have placed a tax on the Oresund strait and by that control the Baltic. The Rl Denmark does not to do that but I can, there by increasing my GDP through that. It's just when it changes from 100 billion to a trillion over night. As long as it is justifiable in the current situation with the land and people you control change it.

The only three factors are GDP, Population and area. Although I've been meaning to ask that if we right our own history then our economies should mirror it. RL Africa ripped apart by Imperialism and slavery, but here a country could have been one unified state for thousands of years and never had any trouble with outsiders. (Any passing mod with an answer is sought after)

My long rambling point is increase your GDP through the use of the clever plan, it may not have worked Rl but here who nows. I personally have recently increased a countries GDP by about 86% with a single loan. His country, also a dirt poor african who recently lost a war is on the rise like never before, yours is bigger and all around better then his. Also technologically you can have whatever you want, if the Commonwealth wants nuclear generators then go ahead, but the money has to come from somewhere.

Yea. Basically. Waldenburg.. tonight my new and improved factbook (with more detail about Droskianishk pre-loan) is going to be posted be sure to read it and then we can get into detail about where that money is going.

And Granate.. if you could just ignore all the rules for a moment (slips a five ungak note to Granate) and add Iraq to my country it would be much appreciated...

The AH-35 and it's variants.

AH-35 "War Bird" Attack Helicopter
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/Skitsojd/attackchopperaz5.png
Lineart by Czechalrus, Thank you again man.

The AH-35 War Bird is an upgraded version of the AH-32 Munich Attack Helicopter used by the Granatian Military. The AH-32 saw only use by the Granatian Military and it's numbers were moderate at best. Although proclaimed to be better then bother AH-64 Apache or the Mi-28 Havoc, it failed to win over the hearts of the defense departments in other countries. So it was in the 5th year of the Munich's service that Hellsing was asked to design a upgraded/heavily modified version of it. Hellsing took this to heart.

Although much of the original Munich still shines through, the War Bird is a completely different Helicopter. It is longer and has much more powerful engines, compared to the Munich. This allowed for increased avionics, armor, and more rounds for the 30mm chin gun. With these upgrades in place, the AH-35 seeks to win over the hearts of the world's armies with sheer power.


General Info
Crew: 2 (Pilot, Weapons Officer)
Length: 20.7m
Rotor diameter: 16.2m
Height: 4.5m
Disc area: 248.3m square
Empty weight: 9,500 kgs (20,900 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 16,000kgs (35200 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1650, 2,300hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 4 blades tail.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,450 rounds
Missiles: Combination of up to 18x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Price: 26.9 Million USD Per System.

SAH-35 "Sea Sparrow" Sea Attack Helicopter
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/Skitsojd/attackchopperaz5.png
Lineart by Czechalrus, Thank you again man.

The SAH-35 Sea Sparrow is the naval version of the AH-35 War Bird. The differences between the two are numerous. The War Bird has much more armor and quite a few more munitions with which to accomplish it's mission. It's also a full meter longer then the Sea Sparrow. The Sea Sparrow carriers more Avionics and Armor then the War Bird, most to make up for it's new role as a Patrol Helicopter and Screener for the Navy.


General Info
Crew: 2 (Pilot, Weapons Officer)
Length: 19.6m
Rotor diameter: 16.2m
Height: 4.5m
Disc area: 248.3m square
Empty weight: 9,500 kgs (20,900 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 16,000kgs (35200 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1650, 2,300hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 4 blades tail.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,050 rounds
Missiles: Combination of up to 8x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Price: 23.2 Million USD Per System.

LAH-35 "Slasher" Light Attack Helicopter
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/Skitsojd/attackchopperaz5.png
Lineart by Czechalrus, Thank you again man.

The LAH-35 is the Fast-Attack variant of the AH-35. This variant sheds Avionics and Armor for more firepower. It's primary mission is to be Infrantry Assistance.


General Info
Crew: 2 (Pilot, Weapons Officer)
Length: 20.7m
Rotor diameter: 16.2m
Height: 4.5m
Disc area: 248.3m square
Empty weight: 9,500 kgs (20,900 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 16,000kgs (35200 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1650, 2,300hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 4 blades tail.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,750 rounds
Missiles: Combination of up to 20x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Price: 24.7 Million USD Per System.

Yea. Basically. Waldenburg.. tonight my new and improved factbook (with more detail about Droskianishk pre-loan) is going to be posted be sure to read it and then we can get into detail about where that money is going.

And Granate.. if you could just ignore all the rules for a moment (slips a five ungak note to Granate) and add Iraq to my country it would be much appreciated...

No.

Alright... basically all my questions about this Earth have been answered. Scrap that battlefleet post. Meanwhile, I'm going to go work on that factbook.

Actually we are allowed a certain amount of liberties with this. For example (i control Sweden Denmark that area) and have placed a tax on the Oresund strait and by that control the Baltic. The Rl Denmark does not to do that but I can, there by increasing my GDP through that. It's just when it changes from 100 billion to a trillion over night. As long as it is justifiable in the current situation with the land and people you control change it.

The only three factors are GDP, Population and area. Although I've been meaning to ask that if we write our own history then our economies should mirror it. RL Africa ripped apart by Imperialism and slavery, but here a country could have been one unified state for thousands of years and never had any trouble with outsiders. (Any passing mod with an answer is sought after)

My long rambling point is increase your GDP through the use of the clever plan, it may not have worked Rl but here who nows. I personally have recently increased a countries GDP by about 86% with a single loan. His country, also a dirt poor african who recently lost a war is on the rise like never before, yours is bigger and all around better then his. Also technologically you can have whatever you want, if the Commonwealth wants nuclear generators then go ahead, but the money has to come from somewhere.

About African imperialism: My country went into Northern Africa, and then skipped around after that. We didn't do much to Eastern Africa, but I was doing stuff in other parts, that would make the GDP's what they are todayish. Corbournne I think also got involved in Africa.

"For example (i control Sweden Denmark that area) and have placed a tax on the Oresund strait and by that control the Baltic. The Rl Denmark does not to do that but I can, there by increasing my GDP through that."

Wow, wow!

Can I just stop everyone, here, for a second?

Surely that just means that Waldenburg just makes some of its money through the tax where, in reality, Denmark makes it through, I dunno, selling Lego or bacon or something?

It shouldn't mean that Waldenburg automatically makes more money, should it?

If it did, we could all just say that whatever our nations do that is different from reality adds on to whatever the real nations make. Like, my nation has a near $11,000 per-capita GDP... but I could say that we sell Landrover rides through the forest hunting bears and European bison, so my GDP's $12,000 per capita.

Obviously it's not. It's $11,000, because that's, de facto, what was agreed on the first page.

The tax on the waterways should just explain how Waldenburg makes part of its money. Not how it makes more than RL nations in its place.

Surely?

No.


Yea I wouldn't either since it takes 500 Ungaks to equal 1 USD ,,, hey worth a shot haha well I'm off to work folks I'll post that when I get back at 11pm est

Granate: You may wanna put those pics/info in your factbook for easy referance (since we seem to lose everything in this massive OOC thread).

Futuris: I started it :D But Chappelle does own.

Alright... basically all my questions about this Earth have been answered. Scrap that battlefleet post. Meanwhile, I'm going to go work on that factbook.

Whew...cause for a second, I was like "Pwnage!" ...on your part that is. I wouldn't stand a chance against that, lol :p

Woah, Kamp, you jumped straight into that - I'm gonna make the Mongolians pay :p

Woah, Kamp, you jumped straight into that - I'm gonna make the Mongolians pay :p

They haven't already?

I'll probaly be pulling forces from the area (I mean...I don't want to leave my EF in Mongolia for two RL weeks here)

Granate: You may wanna put those pics/info in your factbook for easy referance (since we seem to lose everything in this massive OOC thread).

Futuris: I started it :D But Chappelle does own.

Uhhh, they haven't been released yet. I'm still developing them. :B.

Probably going to have a Hind-esque Helicopter and a Black Hawk type as well. They won't be based on this class, oh no.

Uhhh, they haven't been released yet. I'm still developing them. :B.

Probably going to have a Hind-esque Helicopter and a Black Hawk type as well. They won't be based on this class, oh no.

Oh-my bad :p

That is nice art by Czech, though.

"For example (i control Sweden Denmark that area) and have placed a tax on the Oresund strait and by that control the Baltic. The Rl Denmark does not to do that but I can, there by increasing my GDP through that."

Wow, wow!

Can I just stop everyone, here, for a second?

Surely that just means that Waldenburg just makes some of its money through the tax where, in reality, Denmark makes it through, I dunno, selling Lego or bacon or something?

It shouldn't mean that Waldenburg automatically makes more money, should it?

If it did, we could all just say that whatever our nations do that is different from reality adds on to whatever the real nations make. Like, my nation has a near $11,000 per-capita GDP... but I could say that we sell Landrover rides through the forest hunting bears and European bison, so my GDP's $12,000 per capita.

Obviously it's not. It's $11,000, because that's, de facto, what was agreed on the first page.

The tax on the waterways should just explain how Waldenburg makes part of its money. Not how it makes more than RL nations in its place.

Surely?

There's a point in that but the tax on the Oresund strait for Rl Denmark was taken out in 1859 (London Protocal). I merely mention that for fun. I'm not etirely sure on the point in fact (And have not edited into by GDP yet, got sidetracked there too) It would seem that we are allowed to tax anything we like as it is our country our history. Again if a mod has an answer I would love to know. All my exports, minieral exploitation is the same but it seems we should be able to tax anything we can get our hands on while staying legit. Are not taxes the great variable in this?

The main reason Denmark stopped the tax is because Britain got cranky, and Sweden wasn't to hot on the idea. In this world I have Sweden and there isn't the equivilant of the Sun Never Sets on Me British Empire. I would think that historical precedent adds to mine in the way bison hunting never could. That is however a very personal opinion and I would be compliant to follow the mods choosing.

Oh, no, I think that you should be able to have the tax.

I just don't think that it should, as yet, impact your nation's wealth. I mean, the tax should add something to what those RL nations have, but, to keep the GDP at the prescribed level, it should be true that Waldenburg doesn't do something that Sweden/Denmark/whoever does.

I don't think that I'm phrasing this very well! I just think that the tax should replace something in those nations' economies, not add to them.

Oh, no, I think that you should be able to have the tax.

I just don't think that it should, as yet, impact your nation's wealth. I mean, the tax should add something to what those RL nations have, but, to keep the GDP at the prescribed level, it should be true that Waldenburg doesn't do something that Sweden/Denmark/whoever does.

I don't think that I'm phrasing this very well! I just think that the tax should replace something in those nations' economies, not add to them.

I see wht your saying... Ok. But I still stick with my version. Denmark had the tax for nearly nine hundred years. When the Hanse was just crawling out of it's craddle the tax was there. Denmark became the state it was (With the whole Kelmar Union deal) because of the Oresund. The entire Danish Empire
(And yes there was one) came sprining out of that little strait on which the controlled Poland and Muscovy\Russia's, Prussia, entire naval and merchant marine ships. It's very much a part of their history, and if we look at it broadly a huge factor in their current nation. I see what your saying but I thing internally we should tax whatever we want, possibly face revolution as consequence but internally whatever. Whatever AB says

:B

HAH-37 "Scythe" Heavy Assault Helicopter
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7148/mi24bk8.jpg
It's just a Mi-24V so sure me. :B

The HAH-37 is the Granatian Militaries new Assault Helicopter. Designed off of the Russian Mi-24 Hind, the Scythe takes everything that was good on the Hind and takes it up a notch. Better weapons, armor, and avionics dot this new helicopter. It is even able to take more soldiers along for the ride then the Hind.

General Info
Crew: 4 (Pilot, Weapons Officer, 2 Technicians)
Length: 20.7m
Rotor diameter: 18.2m
Height: 6.7m
Disc area: 250.3m square
Empty weight: 11,750 kgs (25,850 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 18,500kgs (40,700 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1750, 2,450hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 3 blades tail.
Complement: Can carry up to 14 men standing or 10 stretchers.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,500 rounds. 1x Door Mounted Machine Gun.
Missiles: Combination of up to 14x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Price: 29.9 Million USD Per System.

Yeah, really, have the tax!

(I mean, Bulgia doesn't want you to, but, as a player, it's fine by me)

I'm not disputing the tax.

This is too hard, I'm going to bed :)

Whew...cause for a second, I was like "Pwnage!" ...on your part that is. I wouldn't stand a chance against that, lol :p
Meh... you and I should have a naval battle on normal NS. =)

Ok... basic Factbook is up. Check it out:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

Meh... you and I should have a naval battle on normal NS. =)

I think not... :p

and there isn't the equivilant of the Sun Never Sets on Me British Empire.

I'm getting there, you know, I can't do everything at once...jeez.:p

here are a few tips from the British Imperial Party:

3) Instead of warnings, forum bans or deletions, the primary method of enforcing NS rules will be to send in a gunboat.

9)The word "Empire" must be pronounced "Emparh" with reference to the British Empire.

13) The manufacture of tweed jackets, bowler hats and umbrellas is to be subsidised.

15) Celebrating the battles of Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo is compulsorary on pain of removal of tea rations.

Follow those (While inserting Mod Approved battles, and nations...) and Mandrake will be king.
(I read the book to. Rupert Fry is my foreign minister :))

May I claim Ireland and Jamacia

May I claim Ireland and Jamacia

No!

May I claim Ireland and Jamacia

Jamaica is being invaded.

here are a few tips from the British Imperial Party:

3) Instead of warnings, forum bans or deletions, the primary method of enforcing NS rules will be to send in a gunboat.

9)The word "Empire" must be pronounced "Emparh" with reference to the British Empire.

13) The manufacture of tweed jackets, bowler hats and umbrellas is to be subsidised.

15) Celebrating the battles of Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo is compulsorary on pain of removal of tea rations.

Follow those (While inserting Mod Approved battles, and nations...) and Mandrake will be king.
(I read the book to. Rupert Fry is my foreign minister :))

LOL. Wow, that made me laugh. It's sort of (going to be) trueish. And yeah, the book's pretty good. :p

May I claim Ireland and Jamacia

I have Ireland (both parts of it) and Jamaica is pretty much dead with the Federation (Amb) coming in. If you really, really, really wanted Jamaica, I guess you could have it, but it would be pointless really, since it would fall.

There are still a number of nations out there, including Australia, since DPW left, and a few others in Africa, South America, and the Middle East.

So if you want in, I'd suggest Australia.

No!

Kamp, how will be progress with the Mongol thread? I mean, I assume you're gonna do something before I start my mass fight against them.

Kamp, how will be progress with the Mongol thread? I mean, I assume you're gonna do something before I start my mass fight against them.

yeah, 1 more post from me is coming

Also, I created a new thread u need to see for your ns nation. Its on the second page I think...

About changing your history to make GDP higher: You would have to RP it first. And, even then, it cannot be a huge change. For example, since I did not colonize half the world in the 1800's (and thus spent a lot of money and effort, etc. on that - that's both England and Spain there, and considering that Spain also colonized about all of South America and Latin America, and parts of Southeast Asia...) I could say that my GDP is in fact much higher - instead of 4 trillion, maybe a 4.5 trillion. That would be unfair. Again, how much is too much? I think I will ask another mod - most probably AB, since it is his Earth - on that issue.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Skitsojd/Yoobetchaitsanotehrupdate.PNG
Map

About changing your history to make GDP higher: You would have to RP it first. And, even then, it cannot be a huge change. For example, since I did not colonize half the world in the 1800's (and thus spent a lot of money and effort, etc. on that - that's both England and Spain there, and considering that Spain also colonized about all of South America and Latin America, and parts of Southeast Asia...) I could say that my GDP is in fact much higher - instead of 4 trillion, maybe a 4.5 trillion. That would be unfair. Again, how much is too much? I think I will ask another mod - most probably AB, since it is his Earth - on that issue.

No, you cant change your history to boost your GDP! There is no more alt history, remember! If so, then I should be allowed to change my history to allow for more GDP, because the Iron Curtain screwed my nations economies!

I agree with poor Kamp. Otherwise I would be the richest because I simply would have stayed with Germany in ww1. Thereby helping to win the war. Which would have stopped the second world war and so on...

Which reminds me. How can the Egyptian GDP be 200 billion higher without an explination? IRL the GDP of the 5 TEAK countries is 600 billion and in this he has it at 800 billion.

Lol if there was no USSR, my economy would be the pwnnzors right now.

Lol if there was no USSR, my economy would be the pwnnzors right now.

My point exactly. :p

No, you cant change your history to boost your GDP! There is no more alt history, remember! If so, then I should be allowed to change my history to allow for more GDP, because the Iron Curtain screwed my nations economies!

Well, I guess...but that still doesn't account for the increased GDP's of some countries.

Lol if there was no USSR, my economy would be the pwnnzors right now.

And my economy would be through the roof!

Replied to Babylonia Futaris; and yeah Carlo - we're a little...twitchy about having an Islamic Theocracy on our doorstep; Maybe when Rene finnally gets back from Honako we can talk about that MDP.

Alright. I'll have my PM talk. The President is going to enterain the Honakon King on a trip to Moscow.

No, you cant change your history to boost your GDP! There is no more alt history, remember! If so, then I should be allowed to change my history to allow for more GDP, because the Iron Curtain screwed my nations economies!

That's not really what I'm getting after, true but not what I'm thinking of.

I'm trying to figure out weather since we are writing completely different histories with few or no similar points to Rl dosen't that change the entire thing dramatically?

EXP: Nation A, was formed in 2100 BC is Rl South Africa. Through the years up to 10 AD it was a lose configuration of tribes on a democratic system before any other. Then in 1650 were invaded by vastly superior force of Nation B who set a system of mercantalism which benefited the industrialy challenged Africans. Eventually in 1900 Nation A was released after the internal collapse of NAtion B, whose vast colonial assests were siezed. This lead to a era of great nationlism in which the inferior nations surronding Proud Nation A were annexed.

Back to OOC
Since we all have different histories then the countries we chose would that not vastly effect the system? In this came WWII did not happen my "Germany" was never terror bombed by the RAF, it never had a program of mass extermination, does that not massively change everything? It isn't changing our histories as we technically have none (Other then the very few who have written some.) It would probably be to hard to regulate\do reasonably, but i bring it up more out of looking a The two African Commonwealth threads.

And Upon looking in the Waldenburg history written in the EFJ history thread Waldenburg created the tax in 850 AD. I assume that will at least change my GDP, hopefully? (Slightly, I'm thingking about 175 Million for the 1200 years it's been around)

Replied to Babylonia Futaris; and yeah Carlo - we're a little...twitchy about having an Islamic Theocracy on our doorstep; Maybe when Rene finnally gets back from Honako we can talk about that MDP.

Hmmm...I don't know. So far, the nations I've tried to 'annex' aren't so forgiving - I usually have to use force or money for them to join. Still, it's a nice offer...basically, Babylonia would see it as a chance to improve trade by a lot, have a bigger nation protect them, have access to much higher tech and lifestyle, etc. with the only setback having a few restrictions on national laws. And, of course, Babylonia can still have a say in the Senate. I'm going to need the opinion of a mod, or really, just anybody - would it be too nice to accept at this point?

Edit: Link here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530191&page=2).

That's not really what I'm getting after, true but not what I'm thinking of.

I'm trying to figure out weather since we are writing completely different histories with few or no similar points to Rl dosen't that change the entire thing dramatically?

EXP: Nation A, was formed in 2100 BC is Rl South Africa. Through the years up to 10 AD it was a lose configuration of tribes on a democratic system before any other. Then in 1650 were invaded by vastly superior force of Nation B who set a system of mercantalism which benefited the industrialy challenged Africans. Eventually in 1900 Nation A was released after the internal collapse of NAtion B, whose vast colonial assests were siezed. This lead to a era of great nationlism in which the inferior nations surronding Proud Nation A were annexed.

Back to OOC
Since we all have different histories then the countries we chose would that not vastly effect the system? In this came WWII did not happen my "Germany" was never terror bombed by the RAF, it never had a program of mass extermination, does that not massively change everything? It isn't changing our histories as we technically have none (Other then the very few who have written some.) It would probably be to hard to regulate\do reasonably, but i bring it up more out of looking a The two African Commonwealth threads.

And Upon looking in the Waldenburg history written in the EFJ history thread Waldenburg created the tax in 850 AD. I assume that will at least change my GDP, hopefully? (Slightly, I'm thingking about 175 Million for the 1200 years it's been around)

Well, yeah...the only problem is we don't know how much said changes would do...and another thing: History is huge. The death of one person could mean the entire change of a nation. Without WWII, America wouldn't get to where it is right now, and Britain and France would be much more industrialized. But this only leads to SOOOO much confusion, and in the end, godmodding. So, even if your history is different, you have to assume that it all finalized to what your GDP is around now. And also, if we were allowed to do that, I'm not sure this Earth would make it under the alternate history mandate.

So I think we should stick to roughly the three basic things - GDP, Population, and land. My two cents on it. AB's ultimate decision, though.

It is just easy the way we are doing it. No need to complicate things.

Well, yeah...the only problem is we don't know how much said changes would do...and another thing: History is huge. The death of one person could mean the entire change of a nation. Without WWII, America wouldn't get to where it is right now, and Britain and France would be much more industrialized. But this only leads to SOOOO much confusion, and in the end, godmodding. So, even if your history is different, you have to assume that it all finalized to what your GDP is around now. And also, if we were allowed to do that, I'm not sure this Earth would make it under the alternate history mandate.

So I think we should stick to roughly the three basic things - GDP, Population, and land. My two cents on it. AB's ultimate decision, though.

I wouldn't even try to manage my economy on that stage no you're right there. It would be to flawed a system, and would be taken advantage of sadly. Well I still wait for AB to see if the tax on the strait could have exsisted from 850. If not, Icily consider it beginning now.

As for the Mod bit, would, if we made our economies more according to our history and not based of RL world wouldn't that make it closer to a NS tied game? Eliminating one of the three we use even now as totally NS based (But still according to the size of the RL countries...) Bulgia was right this is to hard to explain my twisted mental image. As is, seems as close as we'll manage so never mind me accept on approval of the canal.

Carlo, a new thread with an interesting offer for you.

Also, I am going to RP me gaining a higher GDP. It won't be a BAM! NEW GDP! thing, it will occur over time. Basically it will deal with rebuilding infastructure, shit like that, that would raise my GDP since the USSR left my nations in shambles.

And, of course, Babylonia can still have a say in the Senate. I'm going to need the opinion of a mod, or really, just anybody - would it be too nice to accept at this point?
Well, I think it's to cheap to take control over a country in that way. It never happens in RL, and I don't see a reason to why a country should give up their independency so easily.

Since when did I have troubles in Western Turkey? Occly, nothing will come of the meeting and I have to go now, cya.

EDIT: Uncles on the phone, so I have a minute. I lost 10,000,000 taxable citizens, get challenged for control over Bosphourous, and lose one of my favorite cities in the world. I don't see how it will be profitable for me.

Replied to Babylonia Futaris; and yeah Carlo - we're a little...twitchy about having an Islamic Theocracy on our doorstep; Maybe when Rene finnally gets back from Honako we can talk about that MDP.

I'm working on finishing that Meeting of Leaders thread (finally!); I'll probably just end it by offering MDP and economic pacts to all etc. as it's dragging on way to much now. I would do it tonight, but I have revision, so by tomorrow your leader should be free :p

So, yeah, we're leaving for my plane now. I'm pretty sure that in Poland they're going to have a computer with internet - I don't see why not. I mean, it's classified I think as a second-world country, so...

I hope the flight's okay. 7 hours of jet lag...here I come. :p

Since when did I have troubles in Western Turkey? Occly, nothing will come of the meeting and I have to go now, cya.

EDIT: Uncles on the phone, so I have a minute. I lost 10,000,000 taxable citizens, get challenged for control over Bosphourous, and lose one of my favorite cities in the world. I don't see how it will be profitable for me.

damn it was worth a shot!


POST #1500!!!!!!!!!

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/462/yoobetchaitsanotehrupdahi6.png

Newish map.

Animarnia: I finally posted in my factbook.

Updated factbook: Economy and Military

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

LAGOS CONFERENCE: Open to all African nations. We're going to be talking about how to kick these unruly Europeans back to where they belong.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530567

Updated factbook: Economy and Military

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

Where does the rest of your economy go? Seriously your factbook is far from done. I only see the Navy for your military. where's your army and Air Force? Why are you spending 25% of your budget on defense? That leaves alot of our other sectors lacking.

Where does the rest of your economy go? Seriously your factbook is far from done. I only see the Navy for your military. where's your army and Air Force? Why are you spending 25% of your budget on defense? That leaves alot of our other sectors lacking.
You don't expect me to create an entire factbook in one day, do you? I still have to add a lot of stuff, but I decided to place the navy up first because it's the largest part of the military.

I can afford 25% defense because the Commonwealth is a very capitalist nation. There is virtually no welfare spending (done away with after the economy was reformed). Healthcare has been privatized, etc.

You don't expect me to create an entire factbook in one day, do you? I still have to add a lot of stuff, but I decided to place the navy up first because it's the largest part of the military.

I can afford 25% defense because the Commonwealth is a very capitalist nation. There is virtually no welfare spending (done away with after the economy was reformed). Healthcare has been privatized, etc.

You're still going to have poor people, which means you're going to need a Welfare System. One of Capitalism's faults is that it socially divides people and the system rewards those who exploit others. Exploited people equal unhappy people, unless they are mindless simpletons who don't have an education, and unhappy people make for a tenuous government.

Privatised Healthcare has disadvantages, private companies are more interested in money then their clients. If they can make more money off of you while spending less on you, they'll do it. Most of time, there are a few instances where companies don't do this.

Not that I am saying you did anything wrong, just saying your system isn't perfect as nothing is. Hell mine isn't either. My countries crime rate, although lower then America's, is still quite high and my police forces are limited in what they can do. That's why they call for Military Help alot.

Schroder Defense Industries Announce that the Shrieker Gunship is ready for Action

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/kadangadooo/v_pagunship01.jpg


After many weeks of research and over $30 billion spent on the project, the Shrieker Gunship is finally ready for service. A hybrid between a plane and a helicoter, the Shrieker is a highly meneuverable killing machine, utilizing thrust vectoring engines and VTOL systems combined with a fly-by-wire forward swept wing setup for added agility. They are not to be produced in large numbers yet, but military officials hope to be able to replace most of the helicopter force with VTOL jet aircraft by 2050.

I don't doubt this thing's feasibility, but it's only 2007-2012. Vector Thrusting on Helicopters hasn't even been thought of yet, nor has it been perfected on planes. So I doubt it's out now. 2025, maybe. This thing is going to have to go through a bunch of trials and tests just to see if it's feasible, not to mention fine-tuning the body, avionics, weaponry, and engines. This thing would also been hella-expensive and a bitch to maintain.

[OOC: I know this. I'm a Democrat, lol. Feels good to be playing the ultimate Republican paradise on NS. =D]

I don't doubt this thing's feasibility, but it's only 2007-2012. Vector Thrusting on Helicopters hasn't even been thought of yet, nor has it been perfected on planes. So I doubt it's out now. 2025, maybe. This thing is going to have to go through a bunch of trials and tests just to see if it's feasible, not to mention fine-tuning the body, avionics, weaponry, and engines. This thing would also been hella-expensive and a bitch to maintain.

Weak...fine. It isn't really a helicopter, just a really meneuverable harrier, but w/e. I wasn't planning on having them in huge production right away, so it can wait for later on in the earth.

[OOC: I know this. I'm a Democrat, lol. Feels good to be playing the ultimate Republican paradise on NS. =D]

I dunno, it's odd. I play an Capitalist Nation with almost no Socialist tidings, and yet I am a Socialist in Real-Life. It's weird sometimes.

[OOC: It's because how economy-centered the NS system is set up. The kind of military you can have is based completely on the status of your economy. Still... there's a reason I only have a Powerhouse economy. I can't bear to cut off all my workers and take the next step.]

Weak...fine. It isn't really a helicopter, just a really meneuverable harrier, but w/e. I wasn't planning on having them in huge production right away, so it can wait for later on in the earth.

You said Gunship, Gunship is another word used for Attack Helicopters, usually ones that assist in Ground Operations next to infantry and armor. It also looks more like a Helicopter then a Jet, because you're going to need wings to get off the ground if it's a jet, helicopters get lift from their spinning rotors. No lift = falling expensive toy. : /

Also I think it would be much later on.

I hereby done upon myself the title of Realism Mod, which offers me nothing in way of power or things for that matter. It's just another title.

You said Gunship, Gunship is another word used for Attack Helicopters, usually ones that assist in Ground Operations next to infantry and armor. It also looks more like a Helicopter then a Jet, because you're going to need wings to get off the ground if it's a jet, helicopters get lift from their spinning rotors. No lift = falling expensive toy. : /

Also I think it would be much later on.

It has wings, it is described in my factbook. That is just a picture that looked close to it (couldn't find one with wings.)

It has wings, it is described in my factbook. That is just a picture that looked close to it (couldn't find one with wings.)

Why not just use the Marine Variant of the F-35? It's VTOL and it's stealthy. Now a days Stealth is better then speed.

To tell you the truth, that machine looks very vulnerable, clumsy, and not very fast.

:eek: can we compromise How about the the provisional government hands over zambia in exchange for her soveignty????

you get better deal considering Zambias largerland area and copper deposits(albeit almost depleted in R.L)

if not Il find another nation. Hows Sudan?
Check the map on the first page to see what territories are still open.

But, uh...I'm in Zimbabwe right now taking it over, remember? Under the name of Agnolia?

:eek: can we compromise How about the the provisional government hands over zambia in exchange for her soveignty????

you get better deal considering Zambias largerland area and copper deposits(albeit almost depleted in R.L)

if not Il find another nation. Hows Sudan?

:eek: can we compromise How about the the provisional government hands over zambia in exchange for her soveignty????

you get better deal considering Zambias largerland area and copper deposits(albeit almost depleted in R.L)

if not Il find another nation. Hows Sudan?

Can you try to use better spelling and grammar? I can't stand it anymore.

Wait...what?

whoops. my Bad, I know Futuris said Paifics no go land at the mo but when its "calmed" how bout Aus... Dont know what the score is with that is some war going on over Drunken pagans land?

I dont mean to be an ass Granzi. But can you tell me how you can support a carrier air group?

Oh, well. I guess I'll take the long way around Africa. It'd be worth it.

I dont mean to be an ass Granzi. But can you tell me how you can support a carrier air group?

Depending the size of the carrier it may only cost him 5 Billion per Air Group and since he has a Defense Budget of 70 Billion he can pay for it.

Oh, well. I guess I'll take the long way around Africa. It'd be worth it.
Which way is that?

Ok. Just making sure. I dont care anyway. Im going to sink the thing anyways, if Futurnis doesnt first. :D
OOC: Heh... it's not the carrier you should be worried about. And once I've bought it, I only pay maintenence costs. It's listed on my storefront.

Depending the size of the carrier it may only cost him 5 Billion per Air Group and since he has a Defense Budget of 70 Billion he can pay for it.

Ok. Just making sure. I dont care anyway. Im going to sink the thing anyways, if Futurnis doesnt first. :D

Which way is that?

The big loop lol. It'll add a few days to the trip but it's worth it. BTW, how do you know that Schroeder is even sending help up there? All of my dealings have been SIC, so I don't exactly know how you figured it out.

And to P&H, I don't know what you were trying to say, so I can't answer your question.

Can you try to use better spelling and grammar? I can't stand it anymore.

:eek: Dats not very Noice mr contravesie :) lol

I was saying a compromise Candi, how about I have Zimbabwe and you Zambia, but whatever man Im cool.

The big loop lol. It'll add a few days to the trip but it's worth it. BTW, how do you know that Schroeder is even sending help up there? All of my dealings have been SIC, so I don't exactly know how you figured it out.

And to P&H, I don't know what you were trying to say, so I can't answer your question.
I have a few intelligence satellites in orbit. Nothing major, they're just armed with a high-def teloscopic camera.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530574

My factbook... check it out.

OOC: Heh... it's not the carrier you should be worried about. And once I've bought it, I only pay maintenence costs. It's listed on my storefront.

I know. Just aking sure you could explain it. :p

And thats all i have to worry about. Otherwise I just wait for your men to stretch there supplies out and strike promptly. :D

I have a few intelligence satellites in orbit. Nothing major, they're just armed with a high-def teloscopic camera.

Okay...but you still don't know what they are for. For all you know, they could be going to the Arctic for the expedition there. You have no information other than a mobilization of troops in my territory, a place where mobilizations are commonplace since mercs are going to and from various places on the globe. And even if you have spy sattelites, why the hell are they over me? If you can do that then I can use mine to just sail right around your blockade and on to Futuris.

Okay...but you still don't know what they are for. For all you know, they could be going to the Arctic for the expedition there. You have no information other than a mobilization of troops in my territory, a place where mobilizations are commonplace since mercs are going to and from various places on the globe. And even if you have spy sattelites, why the hell are they over me? If you can do that then I can use mine to just sail right around your blockade and on to Futuris.
Haha... very funny. First off, the spy sats just orbit the earth and monitor the situation. If they pick up something out of the ordinary along their routine, Central Command may re-route them, but otherwise they just take pictures at certain intervals. Second, I'm bound to be suspicious IC because there's a conflict going on in Tunisia, and suddenly the largest merc dealer dispatches several ships out to sea. I know they're not working for me or TEACK, so... you get the picture.

TG for Kamp.

TG for Kamp.

already done. Waiting for you.

Well Waldenburg, it looked like you wanted some infection trouble, so I gave it to you. Have fun with it :p

(Go to The Strain thread and check it out.)

Candistan, just to let you know, that first shipment of stuff that got into Jamaica was just to make things interesting... I'm gonna have my planes at least spot the convoy, that'll probably at least expose the location of the cove, maybe a truck or two will get blown up, but after that, my ships will be much more vigilant... just a OOC heads up

Candistan, just to let you know, that first shipment of stuff that got into Jamaica was just to make things interesting... I'm gonna have my planes at least spot the convoy, that'll probably at least expose the location of the cove, maybe a truck or two will get blown up, but after that, my ships will be much more vigilant... just a OOC heads up

Good. I hoped you would, otherwise that would just be too easy. I have some tricks up my sleeve on hiding the goods that I was going to use the first time, so watch out.

Good. I hoped you would, otherwise that would just be too easy. I have some tricks up my sleeve on hiding the goods that I was going to use the first time, so watch out.

Cool. Just be aware if my troops find anything, it'll be bad karma between our two governments... Schroeder Corp. might get their canal privileges revoked, or at least get very heavy restrictions placed upon them.

Cool. Just be aware if my troops find anything, it'll be bad karma between our two governments... Schroeder Corp. might get their canal privileges revoked, or at least get very heavy restrictions placed upon them.

Don't worry, they won't find anything lol.

Any European nations want to have an anti-africa conference like the africans are doing to us?

Any European nations want to have an anti-africa conference like the africans are doing to us?

There already is one. It's called the imperialist club, and so far it's me (South Africans are pretty much European), Futuris, and one other.

Any European nations want to have an anti-africa conference like the africans are doing to us?

This is close enough to that - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530498

Honako, I love how you avoided my attack, and simply began rounding up the guys. Your going to have to allow a firefight in that city before the roundup, otherwise it is godmoding. Just respond to the attack, and I'll bring in more dudes, you can do the same, etc, etc. Then I won't call you for it.

Honako, I love how you avoided my attack, and simply began rounding up the guys. Your going to have to allow a firefight in that city before the roundup, otherwise it is godmoding. Just respond to the attack, and I'll bring in more dudes, you can do the same, etc, etc. Then I won't call you for it.

Ah, I didn't even realised you wanted to continue with that attack. Sorry. I'll RP the fight.

Ah, I didn't even realised you wanted to continue with that attack. Sorry. I'll RP the fight.

Its Ok. But that city and Ulaanbaatar will be the centers of resistance.

You know, Kampfers, if you want your economy rebuilt, you may as well call the biggest corporation on the planet (me) for help. I have plenty of stuff for you to browse and all that jazz.

Depending on what your sending I might not let it through Marma.

Granzi, check Ret OOC.

Apply for embassies/better relations/trade agreements on my factbook:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

Granzi, Kopp, Shakal, and Waldenburg you all have TGs.

Replied.

As did I.

EDIT- Cand, I replied to you too.

You know, Kampfers, if you want your economy rebuilt, you may as well call the biggest corporation on the planet (me) for help. I have plenty of stuff for you to browse and all that jazz.

sure thing. Ill add you to my recepients.

My nation would go into an ecomony agreement with you also Kamp - we, like the China of today, specialise in cheap goods, and like France, luxury too. Resources are found here - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12729685&postcount=4 - lots of metals and construction.

Mine too probably; we have many many things :) See Fact book and cheap oil

Hon, Fut, and Cour all TGed.

Hon, Fut, and Cour all TGed.

Replied. Oh, and about the meeting of our leaders - should be done soon, I just really need to get the other one finished! :p

Aight. I replied to you and Cour. Awaiting Futuris. (Not knagging, but until like the 17th of July I have nothing to do but this)

Animarnia, Candistan, AB, and Shakal all have messages in this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530615

I replied, Carlo. For now, your order will be RPed moving to the location, so I'll use the IC thread.

I hope no one minds that Hellsing Corporation, my nation's largest Corporation, is going to buyout some small nameless companies in certain countries. The bought companies will be renamed Hellsing *The Nation's Name*.

If anyone wants Hellsing in their country please say now. It won't effect you in anyway, it's just a way that I can RP Hellsing growing larger.

I hope no one minds that Hellsing Corporation, my nation's largest Corporation, is going to buyout some small nameless companies in certain countries. The bought companies will be renamed Hellsing *The Nation's Name*.

If anyone wants Hellsing in their country please say now. It won't effect you in anyway, it's just a way that I can RP Hellsing growing larger.


Sure, go ahead and do so with me. Also, you can approach my leader in my economy thread if you want. Or just make the post there. It would be a boost to my economy to have Hellsing.

Sure, go ahead and do so with me. Also, you can approach my leader in my economy thread if you want. Or just make the post there. It would be a boost to my economy to have Hellsing.

It's just buying out Corporations and Factories that are in your nation. Nothing really changes, so it won't be that big of a boost to you as it is to me.

Animarnia, Candistan, AB, and Shakal all have messages in this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530615

replied and Granate - go right ahead

It's just buying out Corporations and Factories that are in your nation. Nothing really changes, so it won't be that big of a boost to you as it is to me.

Ok, well, I figured you might expand the factories, create new jobs, etc.

Ok, well, I figured you might expand the factories, create new jobs, etc.

We might, but that costs money. Money which was spent getting the companies themselves. Hellsing isn't as large as Candistans.

Can I dress my mercenaries like Helghast? They look cool...

Yup, there's my random thought of the day.

Can I dress my mercenaries like Helghast? They look cool...

Yup, there's my random thought of the day.

If you want them to be exceeding hindered due to the Armor they wear, then yes you can.

I hope no one minds that Hellsing Corporation, my nation's largest Corporation, is going to buyout some small nameless companies in certain countries. The bought companies will be renamed Hellsing *The Nation's Name*.

If anyone wants Hellsing in their country please say now. It won't effect you in anyway, it's just a way that I can RP Hellsing growing larger.

Feel free to expand it into Corbournne.

Corbournne;12793841']Feel free to expand it into Corbournne.

I'll see about it next time. Expansion right now is gonna be kept at minimum due to the recent purchases.

I claim the following nations:

Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia y Chile

I claim the following nations:

Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia y Chile

Already claimed.

I hope no one minds that Hellsing Corporation, my nation's largest Corporation, is going to buyout some small nameless companies in certain countries. The bought companies will be renamed Hellsing *The Nation's Name*.

If anyone wants Hellsing in their country please say now. It won't effect you in anyway, it's just a way that I can RP Hellsing growing larger.

You get an Aye from me, my country is wide open as can be; hardly need my permission.

Here's what to expect from Hellsing: Animarnia.
AIM-150 Saber Anti-Air Missle
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2011/750pxaim120amraamxv3.jpg

The Saber is Hellsing: Animarnia's first foray into missle research and development. The Saber is based off the AIM-9 Sidewinder and a few other missles. A notable difference between the Saber and the Sidewinder is that the Saber can be launched from Naval Vessels, which the Sidewinder can not. The Saber is also smaller and lighter but still packs as much of a punch as the Sidewinder, but in a smaller package.

Engine: High Performance Direct Rocket Motor
Launch mass: 92.3 kgs (205lbs)
Length: 2.75 m (9.02 feet)
Diameter: 105mm (4.13 inches)
Wingspan: 625 (24.6 inches)
Speed: Mach 2.7
Range: 1.5km to 22kms (0.93 miles to 13.67 miles)
Warhead: 9.4kgs (20.8 lbs) High Explosive Blast Fragmentation
Guidance: Infrared homing
Fuzes: Active Infared
Launch Platform: Aircraft, Helicopter Gunships, Naval Vessels


This thing won't go onto the market for awhile though.

I need someone to RP Togo.