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Hey I do have a friend that wants to join though AB can you hold the South American claim for him?

I looked at the vicemod thing and it seems there is a tie...7-7 for me and Futuris with Cali trailing with 1.

Hey I do have a friend that wants to join though AB can you hold the South American claim for him?

Sure thing, who is it? I'll flash him a TG.

Candistan: well, then, we have 2 vice mods. Congrats both Candistan and Futuris on becoming the EFJ Vice Mods!

That actually helps things-we can afford to have 2 out, and still run smoothly. Makes a total of 4 mods, but that's actually not bad, we can have more NPC RPers that way.

I'll post up the updates in the front page (I'm gonna start a Sales thread for EFJ as well here).

'Sup folks, just coming to tell ye all what I told Amazonia, I still wanna play this but my attention is somewhat fractal amongst many other commitments who I've been a part of far longer than EFJ, naturally they somewhat take priority, there's also my own (fleeting) personal time in which I'm supposed to be Drawing as a part of my College Course or Meditating as a possible cure for Dyspraxia, neither of which I've been very up to date with, I need more time away from the Box, anywho, I will try to keep up but don't be surprised if I can't.

Oh and I'll be out all tomorrow and the day after, so if there's anything terribly important right now you might wanna tell me :)

Alprazoism, I'm on the phone with him right now he says he'll take it.

Sure thing, who is it? I'll flash him a TG.

Candistan: well, then, we have 2 vice mods. Congrats both Candistan and Futuris on becoming the EFJ Vice Mods!

That actually helps things-we can afford to have 2 out, and still run smoothly. Makes a total of 4 mods, but that's actually not bad, we can have more NPC RPers that way.

I'll post up the updates in the front page (I'm gonna start a Sales thread for EFJ as well here).

Sweet. Four mods sounds like a great setup.

'Sup folks, just coming to tell ye all what I told Amazonia, I still wanna play this but my attention is somewhat fractal amongst many other commitments who I've been a part of far longer than EFJ, naturally they somewhat take priority, there's also my own (fleeting) personal time in which I'm supposed to be Drawing as a part of my College Course or Meditating as a possible cure for Dyspraxia, neither of which I've been very up to date with, I need more time away from the Box, anywho, I will try to keep up but don't be surprised if I can't.

Oh and I'll be out all tomorrow and the day after, so if there's anything terribly important right now you might wanna tell me :)

TG'ed you-I'll hold your claim as long as you need. Just needed to make sure you're still in this, due to the purges today I TGed the less-active guys (like DPW).

Alprazoism, I'm on the phone with him right now he says he'll take it.

He's got a TG.

AB: I'm pretty sure Shakal and I have split up Slovenia, with the northeastern two-thirds going to me, and the third that is coastline to her.

Also, a response in Expanding the Realm whenever possible.

Drosk, see if Kopp will do a Federation like Bulgia and I are doing. Your arabian unification problems are for the most parts solved unless you touch Iraq.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12774403&posted=1#post12774403

Factobook of mine.

Corbournne;12774429']AB: I'm pretty sure Shakal and I have split up Slovenia, with the northeastern two-thirds going to me, and the third that is coastline to her.

Also, a response in Expanding the Realm whenever possible.

I'll be on it.

Where did Marxikhan go?

Where did Marxikhan go?

I'll TG him...good question.

I'll be on it.

Thanks.

And I forgot to mention Monaco. I know it's not on the map, but, if for reference, you want to list it, go ahead.

Monaco is it's own kingdom.

Monaco is it's own kingdom.

Slovenia was it's own republic, too...

AB, since Puerto Rico surrendered, can you add it on the map/to my list of countries... or is that thread not finished yet?

Surely Puerto Rico has not surrended? It could easily fight your people.

Surely Puerto Rico has not surrended? It could easily fight your people.

Check the Puerto Rico thread... they had a few planes and helos and 3,000 troops vs. my carrier battle group... it was AB's decision, he played the resistance.

Who owns Iraq?

I'll claim Argentina, Falklands, Uruguay, and probably some others.

Who owns Iraq?

No one.

Someone Claimed it but I think they pulled out

I'd like to ask if Argentina could be removed from the list of first class countries. According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)) its ranked 30th according to GDP, many countries that aren't listed as first class are above it.

I'll claim Argentina, Falklands, Uruguay, and probably some others.

Puerto Rico surrendered, yah. But the Bahamas won't.

Incursis: Already claimed by Alprazoism, but feel free to grab some of the others.

So I can add Puerto Rico's population, GDP, land, etc to my factbook, AB? Just making sure before I do so.

Also, I'd like the mods to look at the "Operation: Sunny Day" thread started by Canadstein... I feel bad for AB since he can't say anything, and I'm almost positive that Canadstein has started godmodding. AB's resistence has fired a bunch of missiles, and tons of ground fire at the helos, and, from what I've read, Canadstein's forces only have one Hornet down, and nothing else, while he just goes around leveling AB's resistance, not giving him a chance to do anything (example: He had helos land at the Prime Minister's residence and "begin rounding up their targets", not even giving AB a chance to respond).

I'd just like to see that the RP is fair is all, so if someone could look into it, that'd be great.

Yeah. SA-7s aren't great SAMs by modern standards, and only one in ever [large number] is likely to actually down a Harrier if it has modern equipment and a good pilot, but the threat is real, and having to evade it will screw up a mission profile if done at the last minute. Just claiming to climb and carry on as if nothing happened doesn't make much sense. If you wait to the last minute you're probably too late, and, either way, you've now got a harder job to hit any targets. How are the Mavericks being guided in this case?

What worried me more than that -quite apart from Canadstein trying to state the success of his strikes when really it ought to be up to the defender, to a large degree- was the strike on the SA-7s themselves. Using Mavericks to hit MANPAD-wielding infantrymen who've already launched their missiles and had the entire time of the strike itself to move? Ha! Good luck! I hope that AB doesn't feel obliged to take any casualties from that gigantic waste of time, fuel, ammunition, and money by Canadstein's forces!

Yeah. SA-7s aren't great SAMs by modern standards, and only one in ever [large number] is likely to actually down a Harrier if it has modern equipment and a good pilot, but the threat is real, and having to evade it will screw up a mission profile if done at the last minute. Just claiming to climb and carry on as if nothing happened doesn't make much sense. If you wait to the last minute you're probably too late, and, either way, you've now got a harder job to hit any targets. How are the Mavericks being guided in this case?

What worried me more than that -quite apart from Canadstein trying to state the success of his strikes when really it ought to be up to the defender, to a large degree- was the strike on the SA-7s themselves. Using Mavericks to hit MANPAD-wielding infantrymen who've already launched their missiles and had the entire time of the strike itself to move? Ha! Good luck! I hope that AB doesn't feel obliged to take any casualties from that gigantic waste of time, fuel, ammunition, and money by Canadstein's forces!

Yeah, I agree with you... missiles to shoot mobile infantry? After the Harriers had made their climb AND their bombing run? With a single shot SAM, you get out right after you fire, they never would have been around.

Oh, and P.S. for me... 400 posts, yay.

Can the Federation of Alprazism claim Madagascar as well?

Puerto Rico surrendered, yah. But the Bahamas won't.

Incursis: Already claimed by Alprazoism, but feel free to grab some of the others.

Aww...I was going to help both those countries, Puerto Rico surrending with little bloodshed seems strange to me, considering they have enough power to keep off AMB.

I'll just have to help Jamaica then. AMB, you know you said you spent 40% of your government budget on Defence, don't you think that's a tad, erm, high, considering it would likely leave some areas that need funding in your country in disarray, and generally surely that would piss off your people?

Here's the link to my factbook (or the skeleton of it): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530159

And my country will be called The East African Commonwealth of Kopparbergs (or TEACK or East Africa for short).

Now I must read through some RP's in EFJ, I must know what's happening.

I have a complaint and it is against Ambrose-Douglas. He says that 40% of his GDP goes to defense. I think that is high unreasonable. Not one country barely goes over 10%, and that is pretty much pushing. I think only one country does that, and it is North Korea. If you did do 40% of the GDP to military, then that doesn't leave that much left for the rest of the government. So basically your telling me that your government barely pays for anything? I think the people would be up in arms against the government for this action.

Are Indonesia, Myanmar, Singapore and Bangladesh still open?

Yes I think they are open. Also Amazonian Beasts can you put my thread on the front page?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529958

Are Indonesia, Myanmar, Singapore and Bangladesh still open?

They all yours, welcome to EFJ!

I have a complaint and it is against Ambrose-Douglas. He says that 40% of his GDP goes to defense. I think that is high unreasonable. Not one country barely goes over 10%, and that is pretty much pushing. I think only one country does that, and it is North Korea. If you did do 40% of the GDP to military, then that doesn't leave that much left for the rest of the government. So basically your telling me that your government barely pays for anything? I think the people would be up in arms against the government for this action.

I would have to agree with that. First of all, I don't even have 40% of my GDP in my government budget. I have a 32% tax rate - and if Amb is saying that he has a 100% tax rate, than that is either godmodding, or his people will leave his country and go to a less-taxed one. That's whatwould happen in RL. Remember - GDP does NOT equal Budget - you take GDP * Tax Rate to get overall budget, and go from there.

@Amb: Even say, that you have a tax rate of 40%, your budget accounts for everything that the government pays for. For example, with my 32% Tax Rate and my 15% Government Budget spending, my military spending is around 4.8% of my GDP. Not 40. You can change the GDP spending on military - yes. But you also have to keep it realistic. With 40% of your GDP or budget - it doesn't really matter - on military, your roads will be hell, your schools slums, your healthcare nil, your people stupid, unhealthy, dying, sick....not very happy. They will leave. Your Federatin will fall apart because the government isn't spending enough money on civil services. I have a 75% spending on that - of my budget. I also have 5% Administration to pay my government people, 15% Military (remember - with the tax rate, it's only 4.8 of my GDP) and 5% Commerce/Reserve/R&D.

Obviously, you don't have to use my figures - your nation may want to spend less on civil services - thus lower education, healthcare, state of roads, libraries, etc. etc. - and more on military than I do - that's fine. But you have to keep it realistic.

On tax rate: You have to keep this in comparision with civil services. So for example, if you're a nation that spends a lot on civil services, you can have a higher tax rate (eg. Sweden) but if you don't spend that much (eg. onl 60-65% of budget) then your tax rate needs to be lower.

Now, if you REALLY want to have that 40% of budget military spending, you have to RP people rioting, leaving your country, people dying because of virtually no healthcare...and I wonder how your generals are so smart? With functional schools almost non-existent? You're going to have to RP all that, and in the end, if you don't change it, your Federation will fall. So, as you can see, the easiest thing to do here is to change that number. For example, right now you say you can afford carriers. A few, poor nations in Latin America affording aircraft carriers. The UK, with the second most powerful navy in the world, has currently 2 carriers, and one of them is mothballed. Of course, the UK spends nothing on military, and I have Spain with a trillion dollar GDP, and a few other nations as well as the UK to have that GDP to afford more carrirs. Although, I'm looking at scaling my current carrier number down to make it more realistic. I've allocated 100 billion to Navy, so that might be realistic - but my Army and Air Force are lagging.

Aww...I was going to help both those countries, Puerto Rico surrending with little bloodshed seems strange to me, considering they have enough power to keep off AMB.

I'll just have to help Jamaica then. AMB, you know you said you spent 40% of your government budget on Defence, don't you think that's a tad, erm, high, considering it would likely leave some areas that need funding in your country in disarray, and generally surely that would piss off your people?

Puerto Rico has like, squat :P. I figured the Bahamas, since they're a collection of a ton of little islands, could hold out much better than Puerto Rico's single, lone island. Amb, go ahead and add Puerto Rico, yeah (same for Corbournne when Lich goes down in just a sec here...)

As for Canadstein in the thread-don't worry, I have more coming ('specially if Candistan sends his Mercs like the Bahamas requested). Resistance is gonna increase exponentially.

Alprazoism: Sure, Madagascar can be added.

I have a complaint and it is against Ambrose-Douglas. He says that 40% of his GDP goes to defense. I think that is high unreasonable. Not one country barely goes over 10%, and that is pretty much pushing. I think only one country does that, and it is North Korea. If you did do 40% of the GDP to military, then that doesn't leave that much left for the rest of the government. So basically your telling me that your government barely pays for anything? I think the people would be up in arms against the government for this action.

Actually its more closer to a third, if National Geographic is to be believed.

Yet I enjoy crazy states like those, who leave their people to rot as everything goes to feed their uber-military. Of course, if A and D is pretending his state is something more upper class, something approaching normalcy with all that money going to defense, well, I would have to agree with you Canadstein.

I just wanted to remind everyone that it is the first day of the Operation. Also that I'm attacking New Providence, which has 3/4 of the population. Most of the small islands have around 1,000 occupants.

I need someone to RP the Azores pretty soon in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530170) thread.

I need someone to RP the Azores pretty soon in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530170) thread.

Grab Vice-Mod Candistan, since if it'll be an extended operation, I may not be able to finish it for a while.

I'm cool with it Futuris. Give me a sec to read over what's there.

I have a complaint and it is against Ambrose-Douglas. He says that 40% of his GDP goes to defense. I think that is high unreasonable. Not one country barely goes over 10%, and that is pretty much pushing. I think only one country does that, and it is North Korea. If you did do 40% of the GDP to military, then that doesn't leave that much left for the rest of the government. So basically your telling me that your government barely pays for anything? I think the people would be up in arms against the government for this action.

Actually, in the Jamaica post he says 40% of his Government Budget, which subsequently is 40% of his GDP (words it a little akwardly in the post). You can make 40% of your GDP into your Budget (Personally, I wouldn't go there-too far on socialism, but then again, I'm capitalist to the uber level) and still be alright. So, 60% of the GDP is still in the private sector. It's 40% of 40% to defense.

Finally, my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12776990#post12776990)!

Government, what's that?

It depends on how much of your GDP goes to the government.... 55% of my governments budget goes to defense but my governments budget is only about 10% of the GDP...

And can anyone rp Iraq for me? I'm going to petition the government there to annex with DRoskianishk.

Finally, my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12776990#post12776990)!

Government, what's that?

Nice! Anarchy!

Drosk: I can, but then again, my nation is already anti-Drosk. Try Futuris, since he's the only one of us mods who isn't involved in the region already.

But surely your country would be in disarray if you ploughed that much money into your defence? I mean, his state doesn't really act like a even madder and militaristic North Korea.

What countries did you claim Moorington, I can't seem to find your name on the first page...

No look at history, when the world was undergoing the most growth and the most fundemental change (1700's- 1900's) most states put most of their wealth into defense or in the bank. SPending money on other things is a relatively recent event in the history of man.

Also Futuris when you read this you have a TG..

But surely your country would be in disarray if you ploughed that much money into your defence? I mean, his state doesn't really act like a even madder and militaristic North Korea.

What countries did you claim Moorington, I can't seem to find your name on the first page...

I just added it, it was accidently deleted in my purges (my bad...)

40% of your 40% GDP is high, but doable. You'd basically pump nothing into the economy (extreme lasseiz-faire-but that's close to how the Amazonian Dominion runs the economy, 'cept they pump a lot of the spares into public transit and education) and have pretty much privatized healthcare, education, and zippo welfare (hey, I don't like welfare in my nation either-I only have a little). It'd be like the Gilded Age America, 'cept with a strong military. Doable-not the best scenario, but doable.

2% of my GDP goes to defense :p, hey but the Nation that currently places the highest percentage of GDP into her military is Eritea, 33.7% and that Nation is in a bad shape lol...

Could I add Cape Verde and Guam to my claim?

$16851 has his GDP per Capitla for a poor Nation? :confused: Sorry, but im really confused, but shouldn't it be in its Current Shape, and The Libertarian Paradies of Mauratali should only have around $700 per Capilta.:confused: If we can select it our own, im gonna change my GDP.

Could I add Cape Verde and Guam to my claim?

Sure, since you haven't made a factbook yet.

$16851 has his GDP per Capitla for a poor Nation? :confused: Sorry, but im really confused, but shouldn't it be in its Current Shape, and The Libertarian Paradies of Mauratali should only have around $700 per Capilta.:confused: If we can select it our own, im gonna change my GDP.

You can't change your GDP.

What countries did you claim Moorington, I can't seem to find your name on the first page...

Mauritania and Mali.

Nice! Anarchy!

I'm trying to balance being an actual power and being an anarchist state, some stuff doesn't make sense but that's why this is this and that *points vaguely* is RL.

Can someone tell me where the Bahamians got all this weaponry and how they have such a big army that seems to be well trained?

Well then, why is Moorington having a GDP per Capilta of $16,000+ when both of the countries he chosen Mauritania and Mali, are 3rd world Nations?

In defense: hey, we can't take over a alternate Mali, Mauritania, or a mixture of both. That's why I increased my GDP from 'really-really-shitty' to merely 'below average'.

Come one, who really want to control some countries whose control on their borders could be, at best, called 'nominal'?

I'm in control of freakin' Somalia... and to a lesser extent Yemen.... we have rules... don't whine about having shit nations...

$16851 has his GDP per Capitla for a poor Nation? :confused: Sorry, but im really confused, but shouldn't it be in its Current Shape, and The Libertarian Paradies of Mauratali should only have around $700 per Capilta.:confused: If we can select it our own, im gonna change my GDP.

In defense: hey, we can't take over a alternate Mali, Mauritania, or a mixture of both. We have to distance ourselves as far as we can to meet these new rules. That's why I increased my GDP from 'really-really-shitty' to merely 'below average'.

Come one, who really want to control some countries whose control on their borders could be, at best, called 'nominal'?

Well the last time I did increas my GDP, from my Shitty Congo GDp to something like yours, a guy called Grante opposed it and said that cannot be done... Please I dont think you are allowed to do so, check the rules on the 1st page, you should be rewriting your factbook for the Economy section.

Well first off, don't speak for Granate, he's a big boy, he can speak for himself. So don’t tell me what Granate will say, mainly because you aren’t him. So no 'well since Granate said this he will say to you...'

Secondly, I'm not trying to have a goal like 'world domination' or something so cliche. What I am trying to do is exist, have some good RPs, and try to bring the world around to my enlightened view. Yet like all visionaries, my path will be a hard, uphill battle. Yet, with the current state of affairs within those two countries, my path would be akin to trying to drive a car up a cliff. Impossible. I want it hard, I want it difficult, but I don't want my chances to be nil.

Lastly, what country are you? Congo? Why do you care? You go play over there *points at South Africa* and I'll stay this side of the equator, sound fair?

I await a legitimate mod's decision.

How much did you increase your GDP, Kansiov? Because if it is a legitimate amount, I think it might be okay, but if it was some ludicrous amount that would be impossible to pull of, then Granate was right. As for Moorington, he has less countries than you with less resources, so I think that he should be allowed a small boost since he has less of an advantage than you. There you go. If you want to wait for another mod's decision, then wait for AB or Futuris, but that is what I think.

Real-Life Factors Coming into Play, but Maintaining NS Eligibility: For reference and organizational purposes, three limiting factors must be imported from the real world to prevent this Earth from devolving into a mass chaos of uber-strong nations. These are: Gross Domestic Product (GDP), Population, and Land. By claiming the landmass of a nation, you also claim it's set population and GDP, that is based from the real life standard of the land/nation. However, these are the only RL factors. So, if you claim what is IRL Italy, you also claim Italy's GDP and Population. However, everything else is up to your NS nation's normality, as shown in the next bullet. Regarding GDPs: please feel free to adjust economic statistics within the GDP (ie, devoting more/less money to military, or more/less money to education), but please stick to your total GDP as to keep some sort of imbalanced structure (for variety) in this Earth.

READ THIS! I dont even see why you should be getting angry, im an African Nation and it seems your the only one breaking the rules.

My third landmass is still Somalia.... I'm not trying to change anything...

READ THIS! I dont even see why you should be getting angry, im an African Nation and it seems your the only one breaking the rules.

Hey, I read the rules, considered my options, and now have bent them. Maybe even 'broken' one or two, but I have news of my own, it isn't a Holy Mandate. They're open for a long word called 'interpretation' and 'case-by-case analysis'.


My third landmass is still Somalia.... I'm not trying to change anything...
Good for you, keep up that backward African state for as long as you can; which means as long as till a European player starts 'African Land-Grab II'.

As for Moorington, he has less countries than you with less resources, so I think that he should be allowed a small boost since he has less of an advantage than you. There you go. If you want to wait for another mod's decision, then wait for AB or Futuris, but that is what I think.

Yeah! That's what I like to hear; well, I'll wait for more mods, like Amazon Beasts, to come back online before I do to much celebration.

Candistan, the Problem is he increased his GDP by such a huge amount, like 16 times more than the Nation's Current GDP, thats not topping-up your GDP by 50%-70% but thats something that is impossiable to achieve, not even for Singapore.

Since Im spilt up may I also claim Tanzania into the Federation of Alprazoism?

Candistan, the Problem is he increased his GDP by such a huge amount, like 16 times more than the Nation's Current GDP, thats not topping-up your GDP by 50%-70% but thats something that is impossiable to achieve, not even for Singapore.

Okay, I will need two things.

1. What did you want to increase yours by?

2. I will go into Moorington's factbook and look at his, and if it is comparable, then I will wait for another mod's decision. This is a touchy subject and I believe we need more than one mod to make the final verdict.

Can someone tell me where the Bahamians got all this weaponry and how they have such a big army that seems to be well trained?

Supported by the USA's forces IRL. They're well trained.
The weaponry they have is notoriously easy to get, and most of it is Vietnam-era equipment-the LAW, or the SA-7, for example. Not the best stuff, but it gets the job done. Of course, the merc equipment will help.
Bolstered by USA equipment IRL, the Bahamas have a nice tech in their RL military, actually. Numbers aren't great, but I've been keeping it around the 1000 level-I just pair that with police and civvies to get the kind of numbers I do. Ie, Iraq uses a good number of civilian insurgents, and I'm running the same tables. Not motivated by Religion, but by survival.

Since Im spilt up may I also claim Tanzania into the Federation of Alprazoism?

You can-however, you can have a maximum of six claimed lands since you hold Argentina.

Candistan, the Problem is he increased his GDP by such a huge amount, like 16 times more than the Nation's Current GDP, thats not topping-up your GDP by 50%-70% but thats something that is impossiable to achieve, not even for Singapore.

When I took over my countries I asked if I could increase my GDP per Capita by a few thousand, as I was operating quite a socialist economy (so my ecomony was not really improved). I think the only thing in the economy that is strictly monitored is the Gross Domestic Product of your country, though 16x the amount your people on average earn is a bit much, but upping it by a few thousand I doubt will see much protest. At least that's how I interpreted the rules.

And the reason your were targeted by Granate was because you upped your Gross Domestic Product, and from $100 billion to $2 trillion, one hell of a leap.

Candistan, the Problem is he increased his GDP by such a huge amount, like 16 times more than the Nation's Current GDP, thats not topping-up your GDP by 50%-70% but thats something that is impossiable to achieve, not even for Singapore.

What the hell are you talking about? I quadrupled it, I gave it a x4, not a x16!

Mali- $5.847 billion (or about 6 billion)
Mauritania- $1.569 billion (2006 est.) (or about 2 billion)

8 billion.

x4

32 billion (a little to high I said)
-4 billion
Current GDP 28 Billion.

Mainly, I was trying to get it to a comparable level, not thinking in terms of how much I was increasing my GDP. I'm still way down on the totem pole, but at least now I am on the totem pole.

16 is more than a bit much-gotta keep it real. You can go over by some, but not anything more than 50% increase, I'd think. Mali and Mauritania-yeah, poor, but we need some poor nations, too. If you play your hand right, you can walk away as a big winner in the long run.

Wait and i also found out China's GDP is no 10 Trillion, cause your looking at PPP, which in nominal is to be divided by almost 5, partly due to China's weak Ren Ming Bi, or Yuan.

Wait and i also found out China's GDP is no 10 Trillion, cause your looking at PPP, which in nominal is to be divided by almost 5, partly due to China's weak Ren Ming Bi, or Yuan.

On this, it seems standard to us GDP (PPP) as the way of measuring your economy. If we went to nominal, your Congo GDP would go from 40+ billion to around 7 billion

Amazon, can we change your GDP [For the better] after we sign GDP pacts, etc... Kinda werid for a stagnant Economy after our Nations developed.

Yeah, which kinda means your civil war Kansiov should had bad effects on your economy ;)

Amazon, can we change your GDP [For the better] after we sign GDP pacts, etc... Kinda werid for a stagnant Economy after our Nations developed.

You can include your GDP growth after every year (we're still in mid July '07 since we practice the one RL day=one RP week here), and then combine that with what you've accomplished economically. However, for negative events, that would also include incorporating bad things too. So, you can either leave it or you can boost it and slash it depending on events. If you're going to include the positives, you have to include negatives as well.

heh... Honako...shhhhh :p

Look above at my last post, why no comment?

heh... Honako...shhhhh :p

Negative and Positive (shrugs), or you can leave it stagnant (ie, I'm choosing the latter, because growth usually doesn't come as fast as recession).

I see that, once again, what your taking is the PPP. Try and take the Nominal Value of your Nation's GDP, more accurate.

I see that, once again, what your taking is the PPP. Try and take the Nominal Value of your Nation's GDP, more accurate.

GDP (purchasing power parity):
$8.124 billion (2006 est.)


GDP (official exchange rate):
$1.569 billion (2006 est.)

Took this one, what, you want me to take the 8.124 billion?

I see that, once again, what your taking is the PPP. Try and take the Nominal Value of your Nation's GDP, more accurate.

Actually, my nominal would be even higher. Japan's nominal is head and shoulders above its PPP.

What the hell are you talking about? I quadrupled it, I gave it a x4, not a x16!

Mali- $5.847 billion (or about 6 billion)
Mauritania- $1.569 billion (2006 est.) (or about 2 billion)

8 billion.

x4

32 billion (a little to high I said)
-4 billion
Current GDP 28 Billion.

Mainly, I was trying to get it to a comparable level, not thinking in terms of how much I was increasing my GDP. I'm still way down on the totem pole, but at least now I am on the totem pole.

I can ride with that. It's not particularly high, so it's cool. If it was 16...that'd be more than slightly excessive (I didn't check it myself, so I didn't know).

Take the Offical Exhange rate and do your increase and X8 [to make it PPP so that your money would be 'nicer' :)]

Sorry Amazon, i was talking to Moorigton

Ah, I thought we were talking about the per capita here, not the GDP. I can't see what the fuss is all about, it's not like he is upping it to some large amount, just 30 billion, which probably means he has the smallest economy in the game. Though I can see why some nations may see that as one nation being able to bend the rules and others not etc.

And I disagree with making stuff nominal. That would make the world ruled by the industralized nations, and much of Asia and Africa would be a hell of a lot poorer.

i'm grounded, be back on by monday.

That sucks. Are you innocent?

i'm grounded, be back on by monday.

On GDP: Personally, I kept my GDP at what it was. But then again, that's because I control a few powerful nations - namely the UK and Spain. The majority of people here have nations that are fairly weak - where as my GDP can climb up to a few trillion, others must stay in the hundreds if not tens of billions. If that is the case, a little increase on that GDP is okay. But that is where the problem lies. How much is a little?

That would depend mainly on your governent and other policies. If your history (yes, yes, I'll get to the history thread...) has your nation steadily building up your economy for the last couple of decades or more in relative peace, with a reasonable military budget, but emphasis on the education, health, etc. than your GDP will probably be higher. That also means that if you've been spending oodles of money on military, it won't be that much higher. It's a trade-off. I'd say that maybe 4x is MAX - that's only if your original GDP is say, below 50 billion. Again - if you have it 4x, your military will not be that powerful, and if you want it to be powerful, you will have to RP it expanding, etc. over the next couple of RP months/years. 3x under 75 billion, 2x under 100 billion, 1.5x under 150 billion. Your population, on the other hand, should stay the same. This is what I would use - but Candistan and AB may say otherwise.

Now, that still leaves a wide spectrum of people with 150+ billion GDP's that can't really do too much to it, right? Well, as long as you start RPing stuff, you're fine. Remember - the key to doing what you want on this Earth (well, any Earth for that matter) is not what you start out with - but what you do with what you start out with. If I just sit around doing nothing with my nations, I can be defeated by someone weaker than me at first, but who RP's. Get involved, and have a good time.

Honako, you say that cause you will be on the losing end lol... , but so will me :( But thats more realistic don't you think?

Take the Offical Exhange rate and do your increase and X8 [to make it PPP so that your money would be 'nicer' :)]

Completely and totally confused as too why I would do that; I'm going to take the things the CIA World Factbook gives me and say it's good.

Futuris, is a increase of almost 2%, in relation to just Spain's (much less GB's) GDP excessive? From what I can tell your giving my a green light?

I hope no one minds but I will be taking the spot of Iraq. That is unless someone else has already done so.

I hope no one minds but I will be taking the spot of Iraq. That is unless someone else has already done so.

I've already replied...sorry.

Did no one read the front page about Suspension of Disbelief?

Completely and totally confused as too why I would do that; I'm going to take the things the CIA World Factbook gives me and say it's good.

Futuris, is a increase of almost 2%, in relation to just Spain's (much less GB's) GDP excessive? From what I can tell your giving my a green light?

Pretty much. As you said, from 8 billion to 28 billion is really only 20 billion dollars increase.

@Kansiov: I remember also you having your GDP at a trillion - we only said you can't do that because it was relaly excessive. If you want, you can increase it, but slightly. If AB and Candistan don't object, use the thing I did, with under 50 billion can be max 4x, etc.

Lebanons open Granate...

Did no one read the front page about Suspension of Disbelief?

Yeah, but it also said that population, land, and GDP are the same for nations. We're only allowing those slight increases for smaller nations. Suspenion of Disbelief I believe would apply for history of that nation, and the Vampire stuff we tried in ESS, etc.

Okay.

Lebanons open Granate...

Your expanding into Iraq and Lebonon?

All that expanding will probably come back and bite you in the ass, just warning you.

All that expanding will probably come back and bite you in the ass, just warning you.

Yup. its about to. >_>

Yes fighting wars, in all likely hood wars will happen out of this, on multiple fronts will only weaken your already rickety position,

How about we refer to Lebanon and Iraq as Phoenicia and Babylonia respectfully. I want us to stop using the real-life names of some of these places. It makes this look more like an Alternate History RP.

So what ever happened to the whole climate change part of the earth?

So what ever happened to the whole climate change part of the earth?

I had a Climate section in my factbook, and did one climate event in the IC thread. But besides that, I think AB is waiting... /ominous

Wow. I just realized how weak Drosk really is. I mean, he controls three nations, and one of them is basically nothing, and out of the other two, Syria probably covers it...and here I am RPing Iraq. If I wanted to, I could probably crush you beneath my feet using an NPC. Well, if you invade. Which we will see.

And then there's you invading Lebanon too, and the other thing which I am not involved in, thankfully.

How about we refer to Lebanon and Iraq as Phoenicia and Babylonia respectfully. I want us to stop using the real-life names of some of these places. It makes this look more like an Alternate History RP.

Mmk, The Republic of Babylonia it is then.

Wow. I just realized how weak Drosk really is. I mean, he controls three nations, and one of them is basically nothing, and out of the other two, Syria probably covers it...and here I am RPing Iraq. If I wanted to, I could probably crush you beneath my feet using an NPC. Well, if you invade. Which we will see.

And then there's you invading Lebanon too, and the other thing which I am not involved in, thankfully.

There is also the fact me and Animarnia would probably assist Iraq, and he has the whole crisis in Djibouti weakening him. I don't know why he's doing it, though he has probably realised the only way he can get Iraq on his side is by diplomacy, though again I can't see why a nation in Iraq's positon would give up there country.

It's good that the more weaker nations are getting more powerful however, but in my opinion he's done it all too quickly, and without enough reason, and with some bad luck (AB going against him in Djibouti etc.)

I hope my soldiers-for-hire don't all die in Djibouti...that would suck.

There is also the fact me and Animarnia would probably assist Iraq, and he has the whole crisis in Djibouti weakening him. I don't know why he's doing it, though he has probably realised the only way he can get Iraq on his side is by diplomacy, though again I can't see why a nation in Iraq's positon would give up there country.

It's good that the more weaker nations are getting more powerful however, but in my opinion he's done it all too quickly, and without enough reason, and with some bad luck (AB going against him in Djibouti etc.)

Oh, I'm not giving up Iraq anytime soon. And I agree with that too - in ESS, I was trying to get more powerful, but even I think that I took things a bit more slowly, trying to stay in one minor conflict at a time. First Tunisia, then (argh, Morocco...) the incident with you, and then Lebanon, before it got shut down. Plus, my nation was much more powerful than Drosk's, so I at least stood a chance. And finally, I wisely allied myself with powerful nations (AB, Candistan, Granate, etc.). Drosk has pretty much done none of that. Well, we'll see how it goes.

There is also the fact me and Animarnia would probably assist Iraq, and he has the whole crisis in Djibouti weakening him. I don't know why he's doing it, though he has probably realised the only way he can get Iraq on his side is by diplomacy, though again I can't see why a nation in Iraq's positon would give up there country.

It's good that the more weaker nations are getting more powerful however, but in my opinion he's done it all too quickly, and without enough reason, and with some bad luck (AB going against him in Djibouti etc.)

Yeah we're pretty much gearing up for war; invading to our south caused us to get jittery; Invading to our north will cause all out war.

Oh, I'm not giving up Iraq anytime soon. And I agree with that too - in ESS, I was trying to get more powerful, but even I think that I took things a bit more slowly, trying to stay in one minor conflict at a time. First Tunisia, then (argh, Morocco...) the incident with you, and then Lebanon, before it got shut down. Plus, my nation was much more powerful than Drosk's, so I at least stood a chance. And finally, I wisely allied myself with powerful nations (AB, Candistan, Granate, etc.). Drosk has pretty much done none of that. Well, we'll see how it goes.

Damnit, those mercs are dead for sure...

I hope my soldiers-for-hire don't all die in Djibouti...that would suck.

I may need your assistance in Babylonia (Iraq) too. Ah, mercenaries are so fun. ;)

I hope my soldiers-for-hire don't all die in Djibouti...that would suck.

Why would you think that? Because they are being support in alternating patterns by AK-47 wielding Militias of Afirca or, one company of fanatics who have never heard of combat outside of the 19th century? Or something else....

Oh, and if everyone could please call my humble state Mauratali, that'd be the uber.

Oh, and I am going to need a Polisaro (spelling?) NPC player in the near future; I'm feeling left out of this whole war craze.

I may need your assistance in Babylonia (Iraq) too. Ah, mercenaries are so fun. ;)

Yay! I'm rolling in that cash-money.

Why would you think that? Because they are being support in alternating patterns by AK-47 wielding Militias of Afirca or, one company of fanatics who have never heard of combat outside of the 19th century? Or something else....

That about sums it up lol...

Oh, and if everyone could please call my humble state Mauratali, that'd be the uber.

Oh, and I am going to need a Polisaro (spelling?) NPC player in the near future; I'm feeling left out of this whole war craze.

The Polisario front, eh? I'm going to take a wild guess here...Western Sahara?

Yeah we're pretty much gearing up for war; invading to our south caused us to get jittery; Invading to our north will cause all out war.

What if an invasion by Drosk turns around as Babylonia goes on the offense?

If people want me to, I can think up names for NPC Nations.

If people want me to, I can think up names for NPC Nations.

You should become the Earth's "Name Randomizer Mod."

You should become the Earth's "Name Randomizer Mod."

LOL :D

Although, to stay within the Alternate History mandate, it could be useful. :p

You should become the Earth's "Name Randomizer Mod."

I like Map Mod better.

The Polisario front, eh? I'm going to take a wild guess here...Western Sahara?

*Gasp*

How'd you guess?

On another note, I kinda like the name of Polisario so Name Randomizer Mod Granate, don't randomize it.

*Gasp*

How'd you guess?

On another note, I kinda like the name of Polisario so Name Randomizer Mod Granate, don't randomize it.

Interesting....Western Sahara is very close to Morocco, a possession of mine. I will have to look into this when it comes up.

[OOC: Bored due to lack of wars and such, so here goes:
The Commonwealth would like to lay claim to the nations of Nigeria (Class 1), Niger, Burkina Faso, Ghana, the Ivory Coast, and Benin. Capital at Lagos.]

[OOC: Bored due to lack of wars and such, so here goes:
The Commonwealth would like to lay claim to the nations of Nigeria (Class 1), Niger, Burkina Faso, Ghana, the Ivory Coast, and Benin. Capital at Lagos.]

No need for OOC here. AB still has to approve your claim.

Welcome, Granzi!

Candistan: I was originally gonna have more smaller climatology effects, but I'm gonna change up a bit and wait until after I get back (3rd), then blast a massive sonuva bitch that uncovers some "special" stuff (I had a Suspension of Disbelief RP in ESS, and I plan to do one here...only this time, I'm changing the storyline a whole lot).

I am going to tell the mods to delete/close the Operation Sunny Day thread. It is not that I don't want to continue on with it, but I will be gone for the next three weeks. Then after that I will only be here for a week, and then gone for another two weeks. So I am going to play out that Operation Sunny Day never happened. Also even though I will not be active for three weeks I still have my claim and I will return.

I am going to tell the mods to delete/close the Operation Sunny Day thread. It is not that I don't want to continue on with it, but I will be gone for the next three weeks. Then after that I will only be here for a week, and then gone for another two weeks. So I am going to play out that Operation Sunny Day never happened. Also even though I will not be active for three weeks I still have my claim and I will return.

We'll save your claim for you.

We'll save your claim for you.

Thank you, and also sorry for wasting your time on the Operation Sunny Day thread.

To everyone who is complaining about my Defense budget, you all need to read. Period.

I said 40% of my GDP goes to government spending. 40% of THAT money (Government spending) goes to defense. I even did the fricken math out for you.

My numbers aren't out of whack. My country is small, yes, but it needs a big military to protect us from those who would rather get involved with our interests instead of keeping to their own business. Plus, we have the Canal to defend, and navies are more expensive than armies and air forces.

So, let's just worry about our own GDPs, shall we? I was extremely careful in choosing how much of what went where. Is it high? Sure. Is it out of proportion, not by my standards. So please, stay out of trying to run my country. That's MY job.

Welcome, Granzi!

Candistan: I was originally gonna have more smaller climatology effects, but I'm gonna change up a bit and wait until after I get back (3rd), then blast a massive sonuva bitch that uncovers some "special" stuff (I had a Suspension of Disbelief RP in ESS, and I plan to do one here...only this time, I'm changing the storyline a whole lot).

I kind of wanted something to happen in Agnolia (Zimbabwe) in the middle of my occupation there having to deal with an upheaval of sorts occuring and turning it into a desert with constant sandstorms and such ripping across it with a sort of large magma crater in the center of the upheaval, basically turning it into the seventh layer of hell.

Oh, and one more thing. For all of the nations who have or are going to order mercenaries (Including NPC's), I'll need the order filled out in the Market and Sales thread to keep track of purxhases and whatnot.

To everyone who is complaining about my Defense budget, you all need to read. Period.

I said 40% of my GDP goes to government spending. 40% of THAT money (Government spending) goes to defense. I even did the fricken math out for you.

My numbers aren't out of whack. My country is small, yes, but it needs a big military to protect us from those who would rather get involved with our interests instead of keeping to their own business. Plus, we have the Canal to defend, and navies are more expensive than armies and air forces.

So, let's just worry about our own GDPs, shall we? I was extremely careful in choosing how much of what went where. Is it high? Sure. Is it out of proportion, not by my standards. So please, stay out of trying to run my country. That's MY job.

I did know that before I took part in the discussions over your GDP.

Anyway, I made a post in your Jamaica (sp?) thread, which is indirectly addressed to you.

Futuris, you are going to have a TG in about five minutes.

To everyone who is complaining about my Defense budget, you all need to read. Period.

I said 40% of my GDP goes to government spending. 40% of THAT money (Government spending) goes to defense. I even did the fricken math out for you.

My numbers aren't out of whack. My country is small, yes, but it needs a big military to protect us from those who would rather get involved with our interests instead of keeping to their own business. Plus, we have the Canal to defend, and navies are more expensive than armies and air forces.

So, let's just worry about our own GDPs, shall we? I was extremely careful in choosing how much of what went where. Is it high? Sure. Is it out of proportion, not by my standards. So please, stay out of trying to run my country. That's MY job.

How very socialist of you. Using that much of your GDP will slow your growth. Just saying.

To everyone who is complaining about my Defense budget, you all need to read. Period.

I said 40% of my GDP goes to government spending. 40% of THAT money (Government spending) goes to defense. I even did the fricken math out for you.

My numbers aren't out of whack. My country is small, yes, but it needs a big military to protect us from those who would rather get involved with our interests instead of keeping to their own business. Plus, we have the Canal to defend, and navies are more expensive than armies and air forces.

So, let's just worry about our own GDPs, shall we? I was extremely careful in choosing how much of what went where. Is it high? Sure. Is it out of proportion, not by my standards. So please, stay out of trying to run my country. That's MY job.

That's still 16% of your GDP...which is a LOT by RL standards. As someone pointed out, North Korea's is at about 10%...and when you think about it, North Korea is starting to be a big pain in the butt that people are looking out for. One wrong move, and WHAM! you've got NATO, EU, U.S. moving in. Right now it's diplomacy. To point out also, the living conditions of North Korea. The people are starving, education almost non-existent...and you say your defense is 6% higher than that. I mean, keep it if you want - I'm not going to stop you from it. But that means your country is extremely vulnerable to propaganda, and the overall living conditions are slum-level.

If you're really worried about more powerful nations picking on you, I'd suggest diplomacy. Or at the very least, NOT doing things that piss off the rest of the world (imperialism). Just a tip.

Again, I'm not saying that you need change anything - but I've seen people do those kinds of things - namely, piss everyone else off - and promptly get ganged up on and decimated. Those Panama Canal rules telling military ships they can't pass won't work if those same military ships just owned your navy. Your strategic position at the Panama Canal is a plus, so try and keep it that way.

That's still 16% of your GDP...which is a LOT by RL standards. As someone pointed out, North Korea's is at about 10%...and when you think about it, North Korea is starting to be a big pain in the butt that people are looking out for. One wrong move, and WHAM! you've got NATO, EU, U.S. moving in. Right now it's diplomacy. To point out also, the living conditions of North Korea. The people are starving, education almost non-existent...and you say your defense is 6% higher than that. I mean, keep it if you want - I'm not going to stop you from it. But that means your country is extremely vulnerable to propaganda, and the overall living conditions are slum-level.

If you're really worried about more powerful nations picking on you, I'd suggest diplomacy. Or at the very least, NOT doing things that piss off the rest of the world (imperialism). Just a tip.

Again, I'm not saying that you need change anything - but I've seen people do those kinds of things - namely, piss everyone else off - and promptly get ganged up on and decimated. Those Panama Canal rules telling military ships they can't pass won't work if those same military ships just owned your navy. Your strategic position at the Panama Canal is a plus, so try and keep it that way.

It's that high for the moment because we need it to be that high, because we are small and because the bigger powers in the world, such as Honako, don't want to leave us alone. We've acquired (acquiring) two TINY countries, to try and bolster our GDP a little. I didn't do what some other people did, increasing their GDP to try and "make it more fair", mine is the way it is. So I'm trying to increase it a little. Alright, so what. What I think everyone is failing to miss is that the Federation HAS tried diplomacy first. It worked with Puerto Rico. It hasn't with Jamaica. I've invited international leaders in to observe that we aren't barbarians or imperialists. I'm trying to make things better for my people, and if that means incorporating a few NPC islands, so be it.

I have been actively pursuing diplomacy. Such as not getting involved in things that don't concern us, like the Drosk expansion, and creating non-aggression pacts with Caliz and working on one with Canadstein. And there was a big step in diplomacy towards Honako in my latest post in the Jamaican thread.

I understand those Panama Canal rules won't work then, which is why Caliz is helping me to protect it. And it's also WHY my Defense budget is where it is, because I need a bigger navy to defend my interests.

When this thing started, there were more advantageous positions to take. I didn't because I wanted a challenge. My rules governing the Panama Canal are fair, I have few restrictions, and I will fight vehemently to protect my sovereignty from invaders. And I will continue to do so.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go update my factbook to include Puerto Rico's stats.

It's that high for the moment because we need it to be that high, because we are small and because the bigger powers in the world, such as Honako, don't want to leave us alone. We've acquired (acquiring) two TINY countries, to try and bolster our GDP a little. I didn't do what some other people did, increasing their GDP to try and "make it more fair", mine is the way it is. So I'm trying to increase it a little. Alright, so what. What I think everyone is failing to miss is that the Federation HAS tried diplomacy first. It worked with Puerto Rico. It hasn't with Jamaica. I've invited international leaders in to observe that we aren't barbarians or imperialists. I'm trying to make things better for my people, and if that means incorporating a few NPC islands, so be it.

I have been actively pursuing diplomacy. Such as not getting involved in things that don't concern us, like the Drosk expansion, and creating non-aggression pacts with Caliz and working on one with Canadstein. And there was a big step in diplomacy towards Honako in my latest post in the Jamaican thread.

I understand those Panama Canal rules won't work then, which is why Caliz is helping me to protect it. And it's also WHY my Defense budget is where it is, because I need a bigger navy to defend my interests.

When this thing started, there were more advantageous positions to take. I didn't because I wanted a challenge. My rules governing the Panama Canal are fair, I have few restrictions, and I will fight vehemently to protect my sovereignty from invaders. And I will continue to do so.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go update my factbook to include Puerto Rico's stats.

As I said before, fine by me. But it does open up a few interesting paths of action...

As I said before, fine by me. But it does open up a few interesting paths of action...

What opens up a few interesting paths of what action?

What opens up a few interesting paths of what action?

Your Military Spending of 16% of your GDP. Not limited mod action, mind you, but IC action. Well, maybe. Eventually perhaps.

Your Military Spending of 16% of your GDP. Not limited mod action, mind you, but IC action. Well, maybe. Eventually perhaps.

*shrugs* It'll go down soon. Once my GDP gets higher (which, Puerto Rico did help some, I'm aiming for the half trillion mark, at least) and the new elections take place (writing the thread now), it'll change.

A quick question for AB. Would it be okay if later on I had a biological research project escape and start a plague sort of scenario in my Northern Territoires and Agnolia (Zimbabwe) that would happen around the time the upheaval happens. It would be a plausable release with tremors and such from the upheaval breaking open a room allowing test subjects to get out and do their thing. I will TG you the more touchy details on the project. The way I invisioned it, it could turn Agnolia into what I wanted it to be; the seventh layer of hell on earth.

A quick question for AB. Would it be okay if later on I had a biological research project escape and start a plague sort of scenario in my Northern Territoires and Agnolia (Zimbabwe) that would happen around the time the upheaval happens. It would be a plausable release with tremors and such from the upheaval breaking open a room allowing test subjects to get out and do their thing. I will TG you the more touchy details on the project. The way I invisioned it, it could turn Agnolia into what I wanted it to be; the seventh layer of hell on earth.

Cool by me, carry on.

On the 3rd, I'll launch a massive supercell that'll smash up the Atlantic (sorry guys over there, the Pacific is too big for me to do anything with it). It'll uncover some...stuff...that will make for interesting times.

Okay, I sent you the Info on the T-Strain, so yeah. And is it okay to do the upheaval in Zimbabwe?

Cool by me, carry on.

On the 3rd, I'll launch a massive supercell that'll smash up the Atlantic (sorry guys over there, the Pacific is too big for me to do anything with it). It'll uncover some...stuff...that will make for interesting times.

Supercell... as in "The Day After Tomorrow" type supercell... as in storm supercell? Please tell me we'll at least have warning, lol.

EDIT: Also, elections thread, similar to Drosk's, but with a MUCH different governmental structure is up. Thread is here. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530233

I hope the other African guys don't mind dealing with a rampant plague...otherwise I could keep it contained, but it would be more interesting if it spread past my borders, or better yet, off the continent...

Supercell... as in "The Day After Tomorrow" type supercell... as in storm supercell? Please tell me we'll at least have warning, lol.

EDIT: Also, elections thread, similar to Drosk's, but with a MUCH different governmental structure is up. Thread is here. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530233

Day After Tomorrow was my motivation for the entire climactic theme, actually-and that's what I plan on this being. Drop in from the Arctic, and smash the hell outta the Atlantic. I may throw down a Pac one too, but the Ice Age thing won't go on.

However, the Atlantic SuperCell will "uncover something" (That's as much as I'm willing to tell right now) that'll lead to interesting decisions-and if all goes well-a long and complex RP from it.

Day After Tomorrow was my motivation for the entire climactic theme, actually-and that's what I plan on this being. Drop in from the Arctic, and smash the hell outta the Atlantic. I may throw down a Pac one too, but the Ice Age thing won't go on.

However, the Atlantic SuperCell will "uncover something" (That's as much as I'm willing to tell right now) that'll lead to interesting decisions-and if all goes well-a long and complex RP from it.

How far down in the Atlantic... I mean, Candastein and Caliz are in trouble, but is the Federation in for a tough time as well, or is it going to stop before then?

Is Africa, southern Africa in particular, in much danger from the cyclones themselves? I guess I'll plan the upheaval to occur around then due to some massive plate shift or something of the like due to massive amounts of weight being shifted on the tectonic plates near me, which in turn will make tremors releasing the T-Strain, adding even more fun to everyone's dish. W00t.

How far down in the Atlantic... I mean, Candastein and Caliz are in trouble, but is the Federation in for a tough time as well, or is it going to stop before then?

Um, it'll probaly ransack the entire North Atlantic, so I'd put up the storm shutters.

Candistan: No, but I can throw a massive thunderstorm-complete with a load of F-5 tornadoes-if you'd like.

Um, it'll probaly ransack the entire North Atlantic, so I'd put up the storm shutters.

Candistan: No, but I can throw a massive thunderstorm-complete with a load of F-5 tornadoes-if you'd like.

No thanks, lol, I think the upheaval can be caused by the supercells by itself. An Atlantic and Pacific supercell would move enough wieght to make a huge shift of maybe a foot or two in a few minutes, enough to throw a massive piece of rock up through the center of Zimbabwe and making my perfect hell scenario. Thanks for the offer, though! :p

I know this is shameless, but can some ask my candidates questions in the Premier thread? I'm just bored, lol

I know this is shameless, but can some ask my candidates questions in the Premier thread? I'm just bored, lol

I will shortly.


Droskianishk Telegram for you.

Hey guys,

I hate to be doing this, but i'm gonna have to pull out of EFJ for good. Some personal things have come up and i'm just not going to have the time to put serious effort into RPing for a while. Here's hoping that i'll be able to RP with you folks on other things one of these days, but for now, i'm out. Thanks for letting me be a part of it all while it lasted. :)

Wow. I just realized how weak Drosk really is. I mean, he controls three nations, and one of them is basically nothing, and out of the other two, Syria probably covers it...and here I am RPing Iraq. If I wanted to, I could probably crush you beneath my feet using an NPC. Well, if you invade. Which we will see.

And then there's you invading Lebanon too, and the other thing which I am not involved in, thankfully.


Ok I'm not going to invade either Iraq or Lebanon. No way Jose. I wasn't planning too I was trying to convince Iraq and/or Lebanon to annex because I need more land and such so please throw me a bone here someone. (PS not one that explodes.)

Hey guys,

I hate to be doing this, but i'm gonna have to pull out of EFJ for good. Some personal things have come up and i'm just not going to have the time to put serious effort into RPing for a while. Here's hoping that i'll be able to RP with you folks on other things one of these days, but for now, i'm out. Thanks for letting me be a part of it all while it lasted. :)

Sorry to see you leave, DPW. Come back if you can.

Ok I'm not going to invade either Iraq or Lebanon. No way Jose. I wasn't planning too I was trying to convince Iraq and/or Lebanon to annex because I need more land and such so please throw me a bone here someone. (PS not one that explodes.)

Not likely. If RP as Lebanon, I call it Phoenicia, it will probably still be pretty much the same as it is now. Mostly Christian and since your country is mostly Muslim, they wouldn't take too kindly too that.

The large Shia Minority in Iraq may also be a problem.

I would like to appeal to Amazonian and the mods to allow me to have those territories since those two were in my original claim (until I found out that they had been claimed.) I promise to be good :)

I would like to appeal to Amazonian and the mods to allow me to have those territories since those two were in my original claim (until I found out that they had been claimed.) I promise to be good :)

There you go, going around conquering Nations, without a factbook...

I would like to appeal to Amazonian and the mods to allow me to have those territories since those two were in my original claim (until I found out that they had been claimed.) I promise to be good :)

AB has said this before, so I'll say it now. You've already made your factbook, therefore your claims are final. Any further claims must be made through RP.

This of course can be overturned by AB himself.

Sincerely
Your Loving Map-Mod.

AB has said this before, so I'll say it now. You've already made your factbook, therefore your claims are final. Any further claims must be made through RP.

This of course can be overturned by AB himself.

Sincerely
Your Loving Map-Mod.

Thats why I'm requesting as you can see from Kansiovs post

"There you go, going around conquering Nations, without a factbook..."

my factbook has dissapeared and was very poorly done at best, my fault no one elses fault but my own not blaming anyone. And I am requesting (I too doubt that Amazonian will let me have these two nations but hey what have I to lose by asking?) that I be given these two nations on the basis that I am 1. a very weak nation
2. my original claims were impeded upon by other claims but that these folks were inactive and their claims now voided.

Now of course certain things must be followed and agreed to by me

1. I will behave and make no further assertions of claims.
2. I will behave
3. I will behave and this will be the last request made by myself
4. A new factbook will be made and link sent so that no more confusion about the factbook can be brought up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12779128#post12779128

This is the T-Strain thread, the deadly virus being engineered in a Schroeder Corp. laboratory. Eventually, around the time of AB's superhurricanes, and during the Upheaval in Zimbabwe, the virus will be accidentally released into the outside world, then becoming a threat to the SCT and otehr nations near us such as Kansiov. If it progresses further, which for the sake of world chaos I hope it does, other nations will start to be effected by the virus.

I've updated my Factbook thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530159) with basic facts about The Liberation Military of The East African Commonwealth of Kopparbergs.

I've updated my Factbook thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530159) with basic facts about The Liberation Military of The East African Commonwealth of Kopparbergs.

Though obviously you've realised this, I'll just give you a friendly reminder I've posted there if you wish to open up diplomatic relations between our countries. ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12779128#post12779128

This is the T-Strain thread, the deadly virus being engineered in a Schroeder Corp. laboratory. Eventually, around the time of AB's superhurricanes, and during the Upheaval in Zimbabwe, the virus will be accidentally released into the outside world, then becoming a threat to the SCT and otehr nations near us such as Kansiov. If it progresses further, which for the sake of world chaos I hope it does, other nations will start to be effected by the virus.

OOHHHH NOOO RESIDENT EVIL!!! haha

With DPW leaving I'd like to change my claim of Guam and Cape Verde to Brunei and Malaysia.

OOHHHH NOOO RESIDENT EVIL!!! haha

Ooooh, no. Far worse than that.

AB, I already have a "supercell" over (Spain), if you want to take it from there, I have a little on it in the IC Thread. You can take it and make it do whatever.

I'm going to be gone for the next couple of days, and then maybe I'll be able to get on, since we have to prepare for the trip to Poland. My Naval Superiority thread is officially on 'pause' so please don't jump in and take over the Azores while I'm gone, since I would have normally done something about that...lol.

Well, it's on pause officially, but my fleet that's getting to the Pacific should be there when I get back...

I'll try to post something up for Jamaica, if I can.

With DPW leaving I'd like to change my claim of Guam and Cape Verde to Brunei and Malaysia.

Wait for AB, but no matter what Cape Verde stays open 'till Futuris gets back.

And Drosk, like I said before, it is far worse than RE. Picture it like a mix of 28 Days Later's Rage with the intelligence to plan ambushes and attacks.

And Drosk, like I said before, it is far worse than RE. Picture it like a mix of 28 Days Later's Rage with the intelligence to plan ambushes and attacks.


Didn't see 28 days later, but the new REsident Evil (Resident Evil 5) is supposed to have them being much smarter,faster etc..

There's an RE5? Hmm...but anyways, 28 Days Later didn't have zombies so to speak, they were more like fast infected people who were cannibals. You should watch it.



RE5 is in the process its going to be a Xbox 360 release.

Didn't see 28 days later, but the new REsident Evil (Resident Evil 5) is supposed to have them being much smarter,faster etc..

There's an RE5? Hmm...but anyways, 28 Days Later didn't have zombies so to speak, they were more like fast infected people who were cannibals. You should watch it.

RE5 is in the process its going to be a Xbox 360 release.

In 2008.

I just checked out the trailer and I think it looks pretty tight. It's like Blackhawk Down with zombies.

That and the Force Unleashed... is all I'm living for right now...

Incusis: Confirmed on your new claims (could you fix the map up, Granate, to add that?)

Drosk: You're already in an RP with the nations you have, plus you made a factbook-though your nation is dirt poor, I can't make exceptions here without everybody on my heels, so I'll have to turn you down. But hey, play your cards right and you can end up winning (of course, invading nations isn't going to help your cause much...in your case, diplomacy and economics will help more).

muhahaaha this is where Drosks reputation will turn against him in diplomacy ;) let the back stabbing begin!

Oh is the Lebanon thread up yet? I want to backstab there too if I can take them from under his nose without even using a gun

Anyone else need mercs who hasn't already ordered them? C'mon, I need business. The last time I didn't even get in a real battle, I just artillery striked a trash-hole city with no one in and left. Oh, and one more thing. Are mercenaries bound by the int'l chemical/biological weapons nonproliferation act? lol

I updated my Market Page in the M&S thread, so now if there is a conflict and people need NEUTRAL Peacekeepers, call us!

Anyone else need mercs who hasn't already ordered them? C'mon, I need business. The last time I didn't even get in a real battle, I just artillery striked a trash-hole city with no one in and left. Oh, and one more thing. Are mercenaries bound by the int'l chemical/biological weapons nonproliferation act? lol

By today's rules of warfare, Mercenaries aren't legal combatants. Thus they are pretty much held in contempt. But seeing as how this earth is lenient on Mercs I would say they are basically legal combatants but they follow the rules of warfare like everyone else.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4643/yoobetchaitsanotehrupdahk7.png

Mao updated

Link: Integration of Togo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530322)

Also gives a good background on the Commonwealth.
Edit: Granate, can you add my claims? [Nigeria, Niger, Burkina Faso, Ghana, the Ivory Coast, and Benin]
AB: It's Commonwealth, not commenwealth. [On the claim's list]

My mistake, I uploaded the wrong map.

I'll fix it later.

Granzi: Sorry to say, but for NPC nations, you've got to have someone else RP the nation-you can't just move in and steamroll them. I should put something on the front page, but that makes it fair, rather than just allowing everybody to claim what they want after they make their claim.

Granzi: Sorry to say, but for NPC nations, you've got to have someone else RP the nation-you can't just move in and steamroll them. I should put something on the front page, but that makes it fair, rather than just allowing everybody to claim what they want after they make their claim.
If you read what I've done so far, the campaign is far from over. I'd gladly let someone come in and RP the resistance, or to have the international community come in and make condemnations/donate aid/etc.

I believe at this time the F-35 should not be used. In the world right now there only exist fifteen of the pre-production F-35s. If the F-35 is used, then why do all of this planes and helicopters exist at all? The companies that made them certainly would not exist. Then in turn the planes and helicopter would not exist. So that means that we should be using planes and helicopter that we made up ourselves. Also if the F-35 is being used then I should be able to use the Sukhoi PAK FA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA).

I believe at this time the F-35 should not be used. In the world right now there only exist fifteen of the pre-production F-35s. If the F-35 is used, then why do all of this planes and helicopters exist at all? The companies that made them certainly would not exist. Then in turn the planes and helicopter would not exist. So that means that we should be using planes and helicopter that we made up ourselves. Also if the F-35 is being used then I should be able to use the Sukhoi PAK FA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA).

Suspension of Disbelief. Do we have MagLev trains in RL? No, but we do here. How about plasma reactors and some of our domestic designs? No, but Suspension of Disbelief allows it to happen. If you want PAK FA's go ahead, it's allowed.

But this thread is suppose to be about current technology. Not something a few years off.

Plus Suspension of Disbelief does not included this

In a nutshell, the Suspension of Disbelief is the incorporation of "out of the box" elements into one's own nation. This includes things such as non-human races (Vampires were a popular one before), secret facilities (Area 51 comes to mind), and other ideas that aren't neccessarily in the normal frame of view.

Is the F-35 out of the box no. It is just stealing something from the future. If Suspension is Disebelief is that, then I should be able to create a floating space station that is able to shoot nukes and nukes at the Earth. Or create my own version of Rods from God. Even a system of lasers to stop all missiles from entering my country.

I believe at this time the F-35 should not be used. In the world right now there only exist fifteen of the pre-production F-35s. If the F-35 is used, then why do all of this planes and helicopters exist at all? The companies that made them certainly would not exist. Then in turn the planes and helicopter would not exist. So that means that we should be using planes and helicopter that we made up ourselves. Also if the F-35 is being used then I should be able to use the Sukhoi PAK FA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA).

And you'll notice Granate; Honoko, and AB to name three of the top of my head us the F-23 Black Widow II which in RL is defunct losing the ATF program to the F-22. the main different with a quick skim over that Wiki between the PAK FA and the JSF is we KNOW the specs for the JSF dispite the fact its not entered service yet in RL we have a good idea of its capabalitys and its specifactions though I personally have no problem with you using the PAK FA if your NS nation uses it.

Almost all of my military uses NS designs.

I believe at this time the F-35 should not be used. In the world right now there only exist fifteen of the pre-production F-35s. If the F-35 is used, then why do all of this planes and helicopters exist at all? The companies that made them certainly would not exist. Then in turn the planes and helicopter would not exist. So that means that we should be using planes and helicopter that we made up ourselves. Also if the F-35 is being used then I should be able to use the Sukhoi PAK FA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA).

You can use that. If your NS nations uses it. I use the X-02 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-02) and its fine.

Just throwing it out there for those in conflicts right now *Cough* Granzi *Cough*, mercenaries are available to give you an extra hand. Plus, I need them to field test new equipment.

So would it be okay to launch a space station, which I would say was in the works for ten years and that could shoot tungsten rods and nukes from it, right now? That is outside the box and is legitimate. Of course the only flaw is getting the rods and nukes up there. Of course the spacestation would also have railgun turrets.

Wait is any country in this rp actually using the Rods from God?

But this thread is suppose to be about current technology. Not something a few years off.

Plus Suspension of Disbelief does not included this

In a nutshell, the Suspension of Disbelief is the incorporation of "out of the box" elements into one's own nation. This includes things such as non-human races (Vampires were a popular one before), secret facilities (Area 51 comes to mind), and other ideas that aren't neccessarily in the normal frame of view.

Is the F-35 out of the box no. It is just stealing something from the future. If Suspension is Disebelief is that, then I should be able to create a floating space station that is able to shoot nukes and nukes at the Earth. Or create my own version of Rods from God. Even a system of lasers to stop all missiles from entering my country.

Most of us have that too; heck My Nation relies heavily on Plasma Fusion which isn't set to really kick in until 2015 RL. We have God Rods but they are classed as WMD with all that comes with there use. and I have HELL ABM's but no ABM is perfect even the best ABM is only 99% effective.

So would it be okay to launch a space station, which I would say was in the works for ten years and that could shoot tungsten rods and nukes from it, right now? That is outside the box and is legitimate. Of course the only flaw is getting the rods and nukes up there. Of course the spacestation would also have railgun turrets.

Does your NS nation have one?

So would it be okay to launch a space station, which I would say was in the works for ten years and that could shoot tungsten rods and nukes from it, right now? That is outside the box and is legitimate. Of course the only flaw is getting the rods and nukes up there. Of course the spacestation would also have railgun turrets.

You'd have to be able to prove that you could build it. With your economy I would disagree. Now if someone like the Caliz or the Russian dude did it, I would believe it.

My nation has Shrieker Gunships (Pretty much the Doragon from BF2142 with small wings and without all of the Active defense and stuff.), which I doubt anyone has contemplated having in RL. They are just out of development in EFJ, though, so it could be a while before they are in active service.

You'd have to be able to prove that you could build it. With your economy I would disagree. Now if someone like the Caliz or the Russian dude did it, I would believe it.

Thats why I said overtime. Plus I could have secret backers for all you know.

Also for all you know I am country could have it. But why should I tell you?

Thats why I said overtime. Plus I could have secret backers for all you know.

Also for all you know I am country could have it. But why should I tell you?

Probably because I am a mod. And that certain NS Tech vehicles and technologies are to be reviewed to see if they border on God-Modding.

Personally, I don't see why anyone would use Rods of God. They're really, really expensive (launching a space shuttle costs millions...now carrying along with it something much larger) and you can easily miss. Plus, if they're to be classified as WMD's, I would rather use a nuke. Much more practical.

Personally, I don't see why anyone would use Rods of God. They're really, really expensive (launching a space shuttle costs millions...now carrying along with it something much larger) and you can easily miss. Plus, if they're to be classified as WMD's, I would rather use a nuke. Much more practical.

Why use a shuttle when you can use an Aeryann 5 Rocket? I think they can take an excess of 70 tons into space at a time and they're much cheaper. oh and you have a post to Iraq/Babylonia from me and Granate you'll probably get a simular offer when he gets around to trying to anex Lebenon/Phoenica.

As for God Rods; personally I traded off my ICBM's for them opting for only a SMALL Sub based nuclear platform like the UK. plus my budget its a lot smaller here; I miss my 51 trillion Dollar defence Budget.

This may seem stupid... but whats a so called God Rod? It has to be something in space, but what is it exactly?

a Telegraph pole Sized Tungsten Rod used as a Kinetic Energy Kill Weapon; NS ones can hit with the same kinitic force of a 25 kiloton nuke without all that green icky goodness that comes with nukes :)

Personally, I don't see why anyone would use Rods of God. They're really, really expensive (launching a space shuttle costs millions...now carrying along with it something much larger) and you can easily miss. Plus, if they're to be classified as WMD's, I would rather use a nuke. Much more practical.

This may seem stupid... but whats a so called God Rod? It has to be something in space, but what is it exactly?

a Telegraph pole Sized Tungsten Rod used as a Kinetic Energy Kill Weapon; NS ones can hit with the same kinitic force of a 25 kiloton nuke without all that green icky goodness that comes with nukes :)

God rods can take out a city block, if it's lucky. How they are considered WMDs eludes me.

God rods can take out a city block, if it's lucky. How they are considered WMDs eludes me.

Ask AB; beats me to but thats what he said so thats what I'm going on

I hope not... I don't like WMD in my RP.

Edit: Godrods can create craters a mile wide.

I hope not... I don't like WMD in my RP.

Edit: Godrods can create craters a mile wide.

I have seen many an Argument in the Draftroom about God Rods and most agree that the most they can take out is a City Block, which is not a mile wide,

First off they are not called God Rods. The plan was officially now as Rods from God. When you call it God Rods you sound like some ignorant person. All the information you need to now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rods_from_God

First off they are not called God Rods. The plan was officially now as Rods from God. When you call it God Rods you sound like some ignorant person. All the information you need to now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rods_from_God

Eh God Rods sound better and almost everyone calls them that. You're the first person I've heard complain about them being called something else.

I think the amount of damage the godrod does is relevant to its size. I think a small one that's, I don't know, 1 m long could take out a city block, but a telphone pole-sized one would probably make an explosion 3 to 5 times as big, but like Granate said, not a mile wide.

Well, I'm not that knowledgeable about WMDs, having never RPed with them and hopefully never having to.

I have seen many an Argument in the Draftroom about God Rods and most agree that the most they can take out is a City Block, which is not a mile wide,

Guess what? Are any of them actually pros in kinetic energy? No, so they would not know shit. So in the end we have no idea how much damage it would do, but estimates are it has the power of a small nuclear weapon.

First off they are not called God Rods. The plan was officially now as Rods from God. When you call it God Rods you sound like some ignorant person. All the information you need to now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rods_from_God

IF you are going to call us ignorant for using "God Rods" please use proper grammar and learn to type

OOC: ok guys and gals i started up my factbook how do i get it posted.

p.s. Hey Granate unless im doing somthing wrong, when i click your Factbook it links to The Empire of Futuris.

What am I supposed to do about it. I'm not at my own computer so getting the link is nigh impossible.

OOC: ok guys and gals i started up my factbook how do i get it posted.

p.s. Hey Granate unless im doing somthing wrong, when i click your Factbook it links to The Empire of Futuris.

Guess what? Are any of them actually pros in kinetic energy? No, so they would not know shit. So in the end we have no idea how much damage it would do, but estimates are it has the power of a small nuclear weapon.

Please, you're making yourself look "ignorant" as you so succinctly put it. I would trust the judgment of them before almost anyone else on NS.

So, on another topic, anyone want to get involved with my incursion into Togo? I need some participation to legitimize its integration into the Commonwealth.

One more question about "Rods of God" or "God Rods"...whatever you want to call them. Why tungsten?

And also: As I said before, I might not be very active the next few days, so I'll post sparingly. Candistan, you should start up the Azores in that thread (I'll find the link soon) and my fleet in the Canary Islands and Mediera Islands should be pretty much there by now.

The fleets heading for the South Pacific will get there in a few days. And then the fun will begin... *evil laugh*

So, on another topic, anyone want to get involved with my incursion into Togo? I need some participation to legitimize its integration into the Commonwealth.

It's a little far from Morocco to have me take any interest in it. Although...maybe. I'll post in it shortly before the night is out.

One more question about "Rods of God" or "God Rods"...whatever you want to call them. Why tungsten?

And also: As I said before, I might not be very active the next few days, so I'll post sparingly. Candistan, you should start up the Azores in that thread (I'll find the link soon) and my fleet in the Canary Islands and Mediera Islands should be pretty much there by now.

The fleets heading for the South Pacific will get there in a few days. And then the fun will begin... *evil laugh*

Tungsten is very hard and has a high melting point so itwon't melt on its descent through the atmosphere.

Tungsten is very hard and has a high melting point so itwon't melt on its descent through the atmosphere.

So is it the only element like that? Or the cheapest one of the elements/alloys that act like that?

Anyways, yeah, I'm starting to move in my naval thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530170).

I love being the backstabbing nation for a change XD

I love being the backstabbing nation for a change XD


Dude.... *shaking my head* F***ing rough .... I mean Tripoli? :eek: hahaha

Okay, so I posted in the thread. It's up to you Candistan to RP it. You can *hint* surrender *hint* if you want, which in the end, you will. I haven't really given you a chance to just join me without a fight, I'll try that with some of the other islands...

Dude.... *shaking my head* F***ing rough .... I mean Tripoli? :eek: hahaha

what can I say :P when you got around invading other nations its easy to link you to terrorism in the region. right now I could probably say you kick puppies for fun and people would belive me

what can I say :P when you got around invading other nations its easy to link you to terrorism in the region. right now I could probably say you kick puppies for fun and people would belive me

lol...now I'm undecided. What would a nation do in this place? Animarnia = tech, nice lifestyle, etc. but less power, Drosk = dirt poor Middle East (sorry if I offended anyone...but it's kinda true), but more power. Choices, choices...I'll try to answer tomorrow. I'll sleep on it lol :p

Yea but with Waldenburgs help the poverty should go down and Droskianishk should be brought up to par (for the region anyways).

And kicking puppies for jollies is a bad thing? What else is there that no ones told me? haha

Yea but with Waldenburgs help the poverty should go down and Droskianishk should be brought up to par (for the region anyways).

And kicking puppies for jollies is a bad thing? What else is there that no ones told me? haha

If you look in my factbook in about ten minutes you will see the plan I've drawn, up. It quite seriously cuts into my budget and ICily will be taking out a loan. (Luckily all banks with that sort of money are operated under an Imperial Charter so won't be getting much in the way of intereast.)

IF you are going to call us ignorant for using "God Rods" please use proper grammar and learn to type

Maybe you should learn how to use punctuations. It just bugs me when people call it that because God Rods it is wrong, and Rod from God is the correct way to say it, even Project Thor would be more acceptable. People make mistakes, I know. Nobody can be perfect. Also your little comment about learning how to type has nothing to do with it. It is all about grammar with me. I should probably read over what I say, but alas I am too lazy.

Please, you're making yourself look "ignorant" as you so succinctly put it. I would trust the judgment of them before almost anyone else on NS.

Still is that judgment correct?

Still is that judgment correct? Probably. The Draftroom is one of the few places that I've felt out of my league in military discussions.

Still is that judgment correct?

Which would you rather take. The Judgment from a bunch of NS Players or a small group of NS Players who have a very deep understanding of the machines of war?

If you take the bunch of NS Players you are a Fool.

lol...now I'm undecided. What would a nation do in this place? Animarnia = tech, nice lifestyle, etc. but less power, Drosk = dirt poor Middle East (sorry if I offended anyone...but it's kinda true), but more power. Choices, choices...I'll try to answer tomorrow. I'll sleep on it lol :p

I'd say Animarnia has more power as well.

I think he means more political power within the alliance/federation.

Which would you rather take. The Judgment from a bunch of NS Players or a small group of NS Players who have a very deep understanding of the machines of war?

If you take the bunch of NS Players you are a Fool.

I am still a skeptic to if they actually know what they are talking about. For all you know that could be completely wrong. But I am going to end this discussion, but in this rp you better watch the skies because you never know when a metal pole is going to come down into your country. Also Rods from God was never tested, so how would they know how much it would cause?

I am still a skeptic to if they actually know what they are talking about. For all you know that could be completely wrong. But I am going to end this discussion, but in this rp you better watch the skies because you never know when a metal pole is going to come down into your country. Also Rods from God was never tested, so how would they know how much it would cause?

As with everything in NS that's not in use in RL yet, we have to make guesses about it's actual damage and other things. No one can be sure about that - but there are people - like the Draftroom crew - that can probably make more educated and accurate guesses than other people.

As with everything in NS that's not in use in RL yet, we have to make guesses about it's actual damage and other things. No one can be sure about that

And that's (largely) why I'd be hesitant to accept their use. You may say, "ah ha! So I've destroyed a square mile of your capital!" and I may just as well say, "No, but you've completely ruined Mrs.Goggins' tea party!"

What's wrong with a good artillery barrage followed up by battle tanks and bullet-spraying infantry?

[/Bulgian military doctrine]

Really, a steal penis is one thing... do you really have to have it orbit the freaking earth?

Did anyone ever determine time relation 1 day RL = how long NS?

Did anyone ever determine time relation 1 day RL = how long NS?

It think it's one RL day = 1 RP week.

I just realized what would make my imperial conquests awesome....sound effects. Like some song playing as you see planes zooming in and laying down payload after payload, my Marines advancing through the streets...well, it would depend on the song. Awesome. ;)

Can I have a link to the Iraq/Lebanon thread?

Can I have a link to the Iraq/Lebanon thread?
Droskianishk Seeks talks with Iraqi authorities over possibility of annexation.(EFJ) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530191)

Saw that one. Thought I saw Granate trying to annex something in the Mediteranean.

Anyway, Waldenburg. You essentially just annexed a third-world country. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that pretty much weakens your economy..

Saw that one. Thought I saw Granate trying to annex something in the Mediteranean.

Anyway, Waldenburg. You essentially just annexed a third-world country. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that pretty much weakens your economy..
Not always. If that were the case, players with developed nations would have an unfair advantage. My entire claim is made of third world countries, but I RPed how their economy was improved in my intro post.