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Wrong.

We aren't embargoed by Singapore or USA.
Our primary export isn't sheep. Steel, natural gas, uranium, computer software, and soon oil.

Edit: Oh ya. Agriculture machines, gas pumps, services, tourists, cheese, meats, textiles, wines....etc

We aren't embargoed by Singapore or USA.
Our primary export isn't sheep. Steel, natural gas, uranium, computer software, and soon oil.

My mistake, it was the USA and New Zealand who embarogoed you.

You also consume more oil than you rip from the ground , and you also import more oil than you export. Also if you couldn't tell, I was half joking when I said sheep, though Australia does export alot of wool(not much anymore given PETAs recent efforts to stop that).

It is also important to note that in Real Life, Australia has had a pretty nasty trade deficit, and is in no way shape or form(especially in light of recent embargoes) ready to be any sort of power, regional or otherwise.

Edit: Oh ya. Agriculture machines, gas pumps, services, tourists, cheese, meats, textiles, wines....etc
None of which provides you with enough money to become any sort of super power.

I also like how you ignored most of my points about your actions leading to your eventual downfall.

And where were you getting that Peru relied on Australia from?
Import Partners: US 30.3%, Spain 11.5%, Chile 7.2%, Brazil 5.4%, Colombia 5.2% (2004)
Export Partners: US 29.5%, China 9.9%, UK 9%, Chile 5.1%, Japan 4.4% (2004)

And nowhere do I see it written that Peru and Australia are allies. The closest I could find was thtatheir both members of APEC and FEALAC.

EDIT: Oh, woe is me. I forgot that "Australia and Peru share interests and cooperate internationally in areas including the environment, whaling, and international law enforcement." That doesn't mean Peru would allow Australian intervention in its internal affairs.

No...we have more oil produced then we need. We already have cut imports to nothing. Its been 4 years. TDP plants are starting to come online. New Zealand has been inactive...I'm assuming he dropped the embargo with the pull out. (his country should be dying right now cause they get their oil from us)

And where were you getting that Peru relied on Australia from?
Import Partners: US 30.3%, Spain 11.5%, Chile 7.2%, Brazil 5.4%, Colombia 5.2% (2004)
Export Partners: US 29.5%, China 9.9%, UK 9%, Chile 5.1%, Japan 4.4% (2004)

And nowhere do I see it written that Peru and Australia are allies. The closest I could find was thtatheir both members of APEC and FEALAC.

EDIT: Oh, woe is me. I forgot that "Australia and Peru share interests and cooperate internationally in areas including the environment, whaling, and international law enforcement." That doesn't mean Peru would allow Australian intervention in its internal affairs.

Wrong.

Bilateral Relations

Bilateral relations with Peru are underpinned by cooperation in a number of regional and multilateral fora. As members of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum (APEC), Peru and Australia work together to promote trade and investment liberalisation in the Asia Pacific Region. Peru will host APEC in 2008, following Australia’s year as host in 2007. Australia and Peru are also members of the Forum for East Asia Latin America Cooperation (FEALAC).

Australia and Peru share interests and cooperate internationally in areas including the environment, whaling, and international law enforcement. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with its Peruvian counterpart, the National Meteorology Service of Peru, to facilitate cooperation, including research into the El Niño phenomenon. In a sign of the increasing goodwill between Australia and Peru, the Peruvian Congress reactivated its Peru Australia Parliamentary Friendship League in 2004. Bilateral trade and incestment opportunities centre on the mining and agribusiness sectors.

That much is true...


Bilateral economic and trade relationship

Australia’s commercial ties with Peru continue to grow steadily. The increasing importance of Peru as a trade partner is demonstrated by the Australian Government’s decision to open a Consulate-General in Lima in 1999. The relationship is enhanced by Peru’s attractiveness as a destination for mining investment and exports of mining services and equipment.

Australian investment is estimated at US$1.2 billion, placing Australia the seventh largest foreign investor in Peru. Of this, US$332m was invested by BHP Billiton in the purchase and upgrade of the Tintaya copper mine. A further US$762 million was invested in Antamina, giving BHP Billiton a 33.75% shareholding. A bilateral Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement was concluded in 1995 and entered into force in 1997.

The majority of the Australian companies with offices in Peru are involved in the mining sector. The list of Australian companies in Peru includes, ALS Chemex, Pasminco Explorations, Rio Tinto, Burns Philp, Amcor Packaging, Orica and Downing Teal as well as a number of other companies involved in mining services.

The main focus for Australian companies in the short to medium term will continue to be the mining and agribusiness sectors. Geologically, Peru is possibly the most interesting country in Latin America. Peru ranks among the world’s top seven mining countries with large reserves of copper, silver and zinc. The state offers tax stability contracts to eligible investments and administrative procedures have been streamlined. Joint ventures are permitted in all areas of mining activity.

Opportunities exist for exports of mining services, equipment and technology in both underground applications and open cut mining. Australian designed mining locomotives, slurry pumps and mineral processing control systems have occupied a share of the local market for a number of years. There are also opportunities in infrastructure (energy, airports and traffic systems) and agricultural equipment and technology.

The increasing demand for low cost housing has created a potential market for housing components. There is also significant potential in agribusiness (particularly sugar) and the food sector, including dairy, meat and canned foods, as well as for exports of medical and veterinary products. Australia has recently had considerable success in introducing wines and gourmet foods through the major retail chains, who are also considering a variety of canned and processed foods.

The services sector has shown an important increase with some A$40 million being spent on services in the mining sector in 2002/03. Recent visits by education institutions have highlighted the opportunity for Australian education services, both for studies in Australia and courses delivered in Peru.

Mining

In June 2004, President Toledo announced his approval of a royalty on mining profits. This will increase taxes on new mining projects, as well as projects where mining companies haven’t signed a stability contract with the Government. Companies with sales of up to US$ 60m will have a royalty of 1 per cent of sales, companies with sales of between US$ 60m and 120m will be charged 2 per cent, and companies with sales of over US$ 120m will be charged 3 per cent.
Beef

Midway through 2004, the Peruvian quarantine agency, SENASA, approved the import of Australian bovine meat to Peru. This has enabled Australian companies to begin to export both refrigerated and frozen beef to Peru for the first time in a number of years.
Education

New visa regulations being introduced on 1 April 2005 will make it a much more straightforward and convenient process for a Peruvian student to obtain a visa to study in Australia.

Australian dairy exports allowed into Peru

Following a visit to Australia by Peruvian quarantine officials in February 2000, Peru agreed to allow the export of Australian dairy products to Peru. Since this time, the level of Australian dairy exports to Peru has increased significantly. During the period of 2003-2004, imports of Australian cheese increased by 30 per cent. In 2004 Australia supplied around AUD 11m worth of powdered milk to Peru.
Australian wines take-off in Peru

As Peru’s median income increases, so does demand for Australian gourmet food and beverages. In addition to the increases in Australian cheese exports, 15 new varieties of Australian wine were successfully imported to Peru in 2004.
Australian mining software dominates Peruvian market

With the rapid expansion of the mining industry in Peru, exports of Australian mining software have flourished. It is now estimated that two thirds of the mines in Peru run Australian specialist mining software, and this is set to increase as more Australian companies become active in the sector.

No...we have more oil produced then we need. We already have cut imports to nothing. Its been 4 years. TDP plants are starting to come online. New Zealand has been inactive...I'm assuming he dropped the embargo with the pull out. (his country should be dying right now cause they get their oil from us)
There is no way to cut imports to nothing given Australias dependence on it right now. Even if your 'TDP' plants are coming online, that still wont magically make your need for foriegn oil go away.

And also, New Zealand is a net exporter, and knowing him personally, he did not just drop the Embargo, he has to say he did, you can't just do that for him.

You really need to get your facts straight, buddy, and stop trying to force your dreams of grandure on everyone else who is firmly seated in reality.

Yours wouldn't be much better off- New Zealand accounts for 7.4% of Australia's exports. And I'm sure Saudi Arabia would sell New Zealand oil just to spite you.

No...we have more oil produced then we need. We already have cut imports to nothing. Its been 4 years. TDP plants are starting to come online. New Zealand has been inactive...I'm assuming he dropped the embargo with the pull out. (his country should be dying right now cause they get their oil from us)

I don't know about the oil part, but New Zealand doesn't get exclusive imports and exports from Australia...

it's a lot easier for a one-country embargo to fail...if most of your major economic partners put on an embargo on you, that would hurt a lot more...New Zealand might be hurting, but I'm granting that New Zealand wowuld be smart enough to look for temporary filler for their former imports and exports...

No...we have more oil produced then we need. We already have cut imports to nothing. Its been 4 years. TDP plants are starting to come online. New Zealand has been inactive...I'm assuming he dropped the embargo with the pull out. (his country should be dying right now cause they get their oil from us)

Are you trying to impose an autarky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky) in terms of oil? TDP is nice, and it may supplement the crude you get from others, but cutting imports to nothing in four years seems like a little stretch. Not to start a flamewar, of course.

Wrong.



That much is true...

Wow, 7th largest. That puts you behind the US, Spain, Chile, Brazil, Columbia, and 1 other nation. That means that you account for less than 5% of our imports, which other nations would happily make up.
*Proceeds to kick Australian bussinesses out of Peru*
*Proceeds to kick Australian consulate out of Lima*
*Establishes embargo with Australia in "mutual support with New Zealand*

New Zealand did the embargo cause of Somalia (which was infact wrong reasoning) so its natural it would end when we left and they realized it. New Zealand's inactivity does not mean RL issues would progress.

TDP Plants ENDED our reliance on imported oil! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! We did it so we didn't need foreign oil and could sell it to other nations! Why you think we are planning to produce 5 million barrels of oil per day by 2015?

1 million in 2011
3 million in 2012
4 million in 2013
5 million in 2014

You expect to magically be producing half as much as Suadi Arabia by 2015!? I now have proof that magic DOES exist!

EDIT: The real question is - Will anyone actually buy your oil?

New Zealand did the embargo cause of Somalia (which was infact wrong reasoning) so its natural it would end when we left and they realized it. New Zealand's inactivity does not mean RL issues would progress.

NZ has been inactive for what, 3-4 days? That means nothing. Unless Whyatica logs in and tells you himself that the embargo is lifted, then it stands.

TDP Plants ENDED our reliance on imported oil! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! We did it so we didn't need foreign oil and could sell it to other nations! Why you think we are planning to produce 5 million barrels of oil per day by 2015?

1 million in 2011
3 million in 2012
4 million in 2013
5 million in 2014


You do know that only producing 5 million barrels of oil isn't enough to end your reliance on imported oil, right? It should also be noted that if the plants are just now coming online, you are still dependent on foriegn oil.

Your inability to grasp these concepts is startling I must say.

Wow, 7th largest. That puts you behind the US, Spain, Chile, Brazil, Columbia, and 1 other nation. That means that you account for less than 5% of our imports, which other nations would happily make up.
*Proceeds to kick Australian bussinesses out of Peru*
*Proceeds to kick Australian consulate out of Lima*
*Establishes embargo with Australia in "mutual support with New Zealand*


Did you read the whole document? >.>!?

New Zealand has like 20+% imports from Australia and 20+% exports to Australia. That's massive. So they would naturally drop it asap; considering they killed 20%+ of there economy with that. (While ours is only dented 7%)

ND...we are going to export the oil for a profit. ^-^

I didn't drop my embargo. I'm not, in fact, seeing as I'm now making up the imports and exports with the Saudis and the Portuguese.

Yes, I did actually. Not that it matters anymore... (Any and all bussiness deals with Australia were just cancelled...)

I didn't drop my embargo. I'm not, in fact, seeing as I'm now making up the imports and exports with the Saudis and the Portuguese.

And you could buy stuff from me. Peru exports oil. Who knew?

You expect to magically be producing half as much as Suadi Arabia by 2015!? I now have proof that magic DOES exist!

EDIT: The real question is - Will anyone actually buy your oil?

Resdyn....your grasp of technology is...subpar.

I didn't drop my embargo. I'm not, in fact, seeing as I'm now making up the imports and exports with the Saudis and the Portuguese.

Check your thread.

Resdyn....your grasp of technology is...subpar.
Yah know what, who cares. Nobody will buy your oil anyway, as most people are converting to alternative energy sources anyway...

Oil is needed for many things, not just power. Lubricating, plastics, gas, diesel...etc

Australia is trying to get the world over to green power. >.> You should know that.

And other countries produce more than enough oil to cover those uses.

Until you realize that the path you've beaten for your nation to follow will only lead to your own demise, then there is no help for you Asbena. Australia currently is not in any condition to be a super power like other nations, and putting your country 2 trillion in the hole won't help you much, either.

Let's stop with the one liners.
TDP produced oil is over 10% cheaper then regulary produced oil. Its pretty cheap and boosts are natural gas exports so we don't need to draw any more up. It will give the Saudi's a run for their money. (Since its 5th Gen I'm saying its 30% cheaper then regular oil of 2005, as cut backs will have increased the price of gas to over $8 a gal in Europe.) So like it or not, nations will get our produced oil for that.

Let's stop with the one liners.
TDP produced oil is over 10% cheaper then regulary produced oil. Its pretty cheap and boosts are natural gas exports so we don't need to draw any more up. It will give the Saudi's a run for their money. (Since its 5th Gen I'm saying its 30% cheaper then regular oil of 2005, as cut backs will have increased the price of gas to over $8 a gal in Europe.) So like it or not, nations will get our produced oil for that.

What can turn animal waste, offal, old tyres, junked computers and any old waste into oil. What can turn 100lb of sewage into 26lb of oil, 9lb of gas, 8lb of minerals and carbon and 57lb of water. The thermal depolymerisation process (TDP) can. That's what!

http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/footnmouth/zwaste2.html

Unless your nation produces over 543,000 bbl/year of raw shit, then you wont be selling to anyone.

Also I find your speculation to be rather... wrong.

*Sigh*
Do we need to create another SUB thread to carry this OOC to AGAIN!?

That was an EXAMPLE of what can be broken down. Its clearly not what are going to do....though sewage will play a wonderful part in it, it reduces nitrogen and in places like Long Island Sound would actually be crucial to stopping the massive fish kills that occur every year.

Crop waste, animal parts, plastics, trash...whatever organic waste (or stuff that is primarily complex hydrocarbons) can be broken down into oil, gas, minerals and water.

TDP will work, but he's probably not going to quite get the 5 million barrels a day. That would require all available waste to get into these plants, and even then, I'm not sure if Australians produce quite as much waste per person as Americans :p

I would tone it down to somewhere between 3 and 4 million barrels, which is still a huge net export for Australia.

*Sigh*
Do we need to create another SUB thread to carry this OOC to AGAIN!?

That was an EXAMPLE of what can be broken down. Its clearly not what are going to do....though sewage will play a wonderful part in it, it reduces nitrogen and in places like Long Island Sound would actually be crucial to stopping the massive fish kills that occur every year.

Crop waste, animal parts, plastics, trash...whatever organic waste (or stuff that is primarily complex hydrocarbons) can be broken down into oil, gas, minerals and water.

Which will most likely not help your oil problem now given that the USA and New Zealand have embargoed you.

England, please. I will TM you.

Which will most likely not help your oil problem now given that the USA and New Zealand have embargoed you.

Grr.... Everyone forgets Peru. I'm so insulted *goes and cries in a corner*

Come to think of it your right. Unless the price of oil starts to out do the price of the crops themselves, why would I need to produce 5+ mil barrels? Quite simply we CAN do it, but it wouldn't be practical because of the storage problems... (meaning maybe REVERSE pump it into the old oil fields (doesn't sound pratical))

I'll scale it down...save some costs and prevent the economic export of oil still in Australia's favor without lowering the price too much. I'll stick to 3-4, though I'll say I have the ablity to go full capacity to produce 5 million per day. Though this actually means less maintaince and hardship on the machinery.

Which will most likely not help your oil problem now given that the USA and New Zealand have embargoed you.

We produce more then we need....how's that a problem? AND FOR THE LAST TIME: USA has LIFTED embargos!

We produce more then we need....how's that a problem? AND FOR THE LAST TIME: USA has LIFTED embargos!
Currently you do not produce all the oil you need, and please point me to the thread where the USA lifted the Embargo.

Currently you do not produce all the oil you need, and please point me to the thread where the USA lifted the Embargo.

Its in the USA N&D thread. Yes we produce all the oil we need and then some.

Its in the USA N&D thread. Yes we produce all the oil we need and then some.


You have to import oil to make up for the fact you don't produce enough currently, and some of your biggest importers have embargoed you, so yeah, you do not produce all the oil you need to survive.

And also a link to this thread would be nice.

You have to import oil to make up for the fact you don't produce enough currently, and some of your biggest importers have embargoed you, so yeah, you do not produce all the oil you need to survive.

And also a link to this thread would be nice.

Looking for link...

What importer? New Zealand exports 30,00 barrels somewhere! Though since we already produce 1 million barrels of oil we're more then able to do it. We produce more then enough.

According to the CIA world factbook, you produce 530,000bbl/day and use 875,000bbl/day. I cut you off, so that removes a chunk of your oil supply. You don't produce enough to supply yourself entirely by yourself.

I produce 1,000,000 per day. Its fine.

Found the link #65 of the USA thread (which has been done).

No you don't. In six years you can't double your oil production, it's ridiculous. And that 875,000bbl/day can only INCREASE since 2005, so you'd still be at a deficit.

No you don't. In six years you can't double your oil production, it's ridiculous. And that 875,000bbl/day can only INCREASE since 2005, so you'd still be at a deficit.

It's 910,000, but we produce 1 mil per day. I've RPed it. We have 90,000 barrels to export per day.

Edit: Oh ya...as a result we will be closing down the production of the oil wells in 2012.

I produce 1,000,000 per day. Its fine.

Found the link #65 of the USA thread (which has been done).
Just to let you know, 1 million pounds of trash does not mean 1 million barrels of oil, so I doubt seriously you will be able accumulate the amount of trash needed annually to produce more than a million barrels of oil given that: A) To transport all this trash to these plants, you'll be using even more oil, and B) as far as I know, crop trash is also used to make fertilizer, so I doubt you'll be getting as much trash from that sector as you think.

Might I ask why we're still talking about TDP plants? I thought that this wasn't going to come around until 2015...

*Sigh* WE KNOW.

*Sigh* WE KNOW.
Yet you're closing down all your oil wells and producing millions of barrels of oil a day already?

Might I ask why we're still talking about TDP plants? I thought that this wasn't going to come around until 2015...

They are already out now. I've RPed them for 4 years on construction.

Yet you're closing down all your oil wells and producing millions of barrels of oil a day already?
Yes. As CSJ said.

Can every Australian produce over 20 pounds of usable trash per day for the TDP plants to work? I would think not. And if it's so great, why aren't people using it now?

Oh, from wikipedia, TDP produces 26% petroleum from sewage sludge. So for every thousand pounds of sewage, you get 260 pounds of petroleum. Or about..oh...80 gallons? About two barrels worth if I remember correctly.

They are already out now. I've RPed them for 4 years on construction.

4 years is too soon...I thought we already agreed on that...

Yes. As CSJ said.
Unfortunetly, that wont save you. No country that uses large amounts of oil can use TDP to completely replace drilling oil. The average australian would have to produce about 20 pounds of trash a day, which I can say for sure does not happen.

TDP can relieve dependence on foreign oil, and do something good with all the waste taht we do produce, but it cannot replace oil drilling.

Can every Australian produce over 20 pounds of usable trash per day for the TDP plants to work? I would think not. And if it's so great, why aren't people using it now?

Because its a relatively new technology that Australia is trying to produce faster than it can and should be able to be done...

I think its cause people interpret stuff wrong. People using too much OOC stuff ICly is 90% of it. Kyanges...dispite telling him over 20 about Somalia, he still doesn't listen or understand. Resdyn, being a little bitch and not being realistic about Peru which is a CLOSE ally and trade partner.

Peru would ACCEPT Australia's help, but Resdyn doesn't! This is not realistic in the least. Then Argentina godmods his way into declaring war on me! Then godmods my diplomacy. Then godmods my actions! Oh ya...I am ignoring that stupid 'I declares wars on youse." of Argentina.

What do I not get exactly?

WAIT A MINUTE!

Naktan, I've already gone through this once here. I am not going through it again. Electron stop saying WHERE I am getting things from it makes no sense.

What do I not get exactly?

That we import from Somalia, they own the businesses and we don't.

Oh..I did the math..Australia needs to produce FIVE BILLION POUNDS OF TRASH per day to equate to 1,000,000 barrels of oil per day. Try again!

OMG....you people are giving me headaches! I AM NOT USING TRASH!

That we import from Somalia, they own the businesses and we don't.

Oh really?

-I know you import from them. I've responded to that too. Can you remember what I said? IF you can, I dare you to paraphrase it here. I dare ya.

-I know they own the businesses, and that was lumped into the same response as above. Can you remember what it was? I don't think so. Try reading sometime before you start accusing people of anything. Especially me.

Crop waste, animal parts, plastics, trash...whatever organic waste (or stuff that is primarily complex hydrocarbons) can be broken down into oil, gas, minerals and water.

You stated biowaste. Trash. Crap. Sewage sludge.

Sewage in particular only produces 26% input-to-petroleum ratio.

The only TDP plant running in the world is running at a loss. I wonder why?

Then what ARE you using. Because I can guaruntee you that in order to produce that much oil from you TDP plants, you'd need to gear your entire economy towards producing materials for the plants to utilize.

OMG....you people are giving me headaches! I AM NOT USING TRASH!

Then what are you using?

You stated biowaste. Trash. Crap. Sewage sludge.

Sewage in particular only produces 26% input-to-petroleum ratio.

The only TDP plant running in the world is running at a loss. I wonder why?

The first year was 10% profit. I don't know why they were losing at the second portion.

Oh really?

-I know you import from them. I've responded to that too. Can you remember what I said? IF you can, I dare you to paraphrase it here. I dare ya.

-I know they own the businesses, and that was lumped into the same response as above. Can you remember what it was? I don't think so. Try reading sometime before you start accusing people of anything. Especially me.

Oh, and just in case you can't remember:

-My response was the USA will help Australian business by giving them time to move elsewhere.
-Somalian business will have time to get other trade partners. Monopoly bad.

Now tell me where in those actions it is implied I don't understand that Somalis own the businesses.

The first year was 10% profit. I don't know why they were losing at the second portion.
America probably doesn't produce the amount of trash and shit you need to run this program, so again, you're screwed given all of these Embargoes.

The first year was 10% profit. I don't know why they were losing at the second portion.

Because it's inefficient as hell perhaps?

Oh, more food for thought. Australia cannot possibly produce enough solid waste.

Quoted from Wikipedia:
The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that in 2001 there were 229 million tons of municipal solid waste, or 4.4 pounds generated per day per person in the USA.

If the USA can't produce 20lb/person/day of waste there's no way in hell Australia can.

OMG....how many times must I repeat myself!

Australia is using plastics, recyclable materials, used oil, food waste, agricultural waste, plant matter, crop matter, imported trash and recyclable materials also imported. Sewage waste (also imported and our own.) Medical waste, tar sands, refinery sludge, tires, heavy crudes, grease-trap residues, cleaning up coal and all other forms of wastes.

WAIT A MINUTE!

Naktan, I've already gone through this once here. I am not going through it again. Electron stop saying WHERE I am getting things from it makes no sense.

so have i...

OMG....how many times must I repeat myself!

Australia is using plastics, recyclable materials, used oil, food waste, agricultural waste, plant matter, crop matter, imported trash and recyclable materials also imported. Sewage waste (also imported and our own.) Medical waste, tar sands, refinery sludge, tires, heavy crudes, grease-trap residues, cleaning up coal and all other forms of wastes.
Which is the same as trash. And you still don't have enough of it.

Oh, and just in case you can't remember:

-My response was the USA will help Australian business by giving them time to move elsewhere.
-Somalian business will have time to get other trade partners. Monopoly bad.

Now tell me where in those actions it is implied I don't understand that Somalis own the businesses.

ARGH! YOU STILL DON'T GET IT! There is no Australian-owned businesses in Somalia at this time! We don't NEED to move them anywhere, cause they don't EXIST. We are importing from Somalian businesses!

That doesn't change that you'll still be at a massive oil deficit and will need to import to make up for it.

Also, you'll need to gear your economy entirely for these plants. If you can't produce oil literally as soon as input goes in, the system will crash.

ARGH! YOU STILL DON'T GET IT! There is no Australian-owned businesses in Somalia at this time! We don't NEED to move them anywhere, cause they don't EXIST. We are importing from Somalian businesses!

I know. To make up for the loss of Somalian business, the Aussie companies can come to the US. Now get that through your thick skull.

Which is the same as trash. And you still don't have enough of it.

I give up. You don't understand a technology, too bad. Ignorance is just f-ing bliss isn't it?

Edit: fixed the swears

I give up. **** off. You don't understand a technology, too bad. Ignorance is just f-ing bliss isn't it?

He doesn't have to understand every little detail... He knows you still don't have enough whateverthehellyourusing to make it work.

I know. To make up for the loss of Somalian business, the Aussie companies can come to the US. Now get that through your thick skull.

Wtf....US doesn't produce good wireless products, its all china/taiwan crap.

Wtf....US doesn't produce good wireless products, its all china/taiwan crap.

(Europe is better. Asia just maked the stuff, it's all developed elsewhere.) Then go there! Just stop importing from Somalia! I was trying to make it easier for you.

Which is the same as trash. And you still don't have enough of it.
Actually, if you look at levels of industrial waste as well as just domestic use, they do have enough. The US has about 12 billion tons of total waste to put in each day. At 1/10th of that, Australia should easily be able to get somewhere between 3 and 4 million barrels a day. The main issue is infrastructure, not the amount of available waste.

He doesn't have to understand every little detail... He knows you still don't have enough whateverthehellyourusing to make it work.

If 100 pounds of waste from dried vegatation produces 60 pounds of oil and natural gas...what's the problem?

Actually, if you look at levels of industrial waste as well as just domestic use, they do have enough. The US has about 12 billion tons of total waste to put in each day. At 1/10th of that, Australia should easily be able to get somewhere between 3 and 4 million barrels a day.

Thank you CSJ. Hopefully he gets that. I couldn't make it any clearer.

I give up. You don't understand a technology, too bad. Ignorance is just f-ing bliss isn't it?

Edit: fixed the swears
Apparently you don't understand anything, given that you think you can produce double what you currently produce in oil, despite the fact you don't have the amoutn of WHATEVER you're using to make your TDP plants work.

Face the facts, you don't know what you're talking about, an the Embargoes are hurting you badly, that is the reality of the situation.

For the record, 100-200 tons of material, depending on the type, will net you 500 barrels. Assuming Australia has the same amount of waste (proportionately) as the US, and that they're importing material and growing crops to feed this, they should be able to put up to 5 million barrels. However, as I said, infrastructure would be strained like that (it won't be until the next decade that they could get full efficiency for domestic waste - a full revamping of the entire system is needed).
But 3 million or so barrels by 2015 would certainly not be that much of a stretch considering how much time and effort have gone into this.


btw Asbena, check the Japan thread for an offer ;)

At 2.5 billion tons of trash, you get 1 million barrels of oil per day. 5 billion tons of trash is two million barrels per day.

I somehow doubt that Australia can produce that much. He could import the waste, yes, but that would incur more costs and make the oil less of a bargain. Also, the cost of transporting this waste makes the oil less of a bargain to begin with. If nobody exports oil to Australia and he tries to make up through this TDL shit, he will not have enough oil to go ahead. He uses 1 million barrels per day, and there's no way that he can produce enough TDL plants and the necessary infrastructure to run these plants in six years without blatant godmoding.

That also begs the question, who would export the garbage to you? If this TDL process is so awesome and wonderful, nobody should export garbage, and they should make oil out of it.

South Africa is just one of the nations that exports trash to me. CSJ just said we could do it on our own alone to. I'll make it 2025 before 4 million barrels produced per day.

For the record, 100-200 tons of material, depending on the type, will net you 500 barrels. Assuming Australia has the same amount of waste (proportionately) as the US, and that they're importing material and growing crops to feed this, they should be able to put up to 5 million barrels. However, as I said, infrastructure would be strained like that (it won't be until the next decade that they could get full efficiency for domestic waste - a full revamping of the entire system is needed).
But 3 million or so barrels by 2015 would certainly not be that much of a stretch considering how much time and effort have gone into this.

No, no they would not. They need 5 billion tons of trash to get the daily oil output they need, and no nation on earth can send them 5 billion tonnes of trash a day. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work like that.

Um, I also want to ask, how are you paying for this shit? You're in a massive debt because of your fun in Somalia. No nation has the infrastructure to send you 5 billion tonnes of trash per day.

You're godmoding like there's no tomorrow.

Naktan...you're guilty of it again. OOCly I joked about invading him cause Resdyn (RL) was going to do that to Asbena. I sent THREE missile frigates for him to use to stop the terrorists. This is no different then Argentina sending 500 troops.

YET, Peru avoided a close ally and proceded to basically declare war on me (Argentina DID) and we went there to HELP. This is not realistic.
since when did we send 500 troops anywhere? it is different because Peru felt that Australia is a impearialistic (I spelled that wrong) nation and felt they would be fine without them, and I make a typo ONCE and im apparently godmodding?, and I ALMOST declared war on you, wich I didnt thanks to you leaving Peru just in time

Improper math there:

200 tons turkey waste (use this as the average, though it would be higher) = 500 barrels oil

2000 would thus net 5000 barrels

200,000 would be 500,000 barrels

2,000,000 would then be 5 million



Edit:
Now, there's another contradicting bit that says one ton of turkey waste would net 600 lbs oil. That's a little more

7.33 tonnes per barrel * 2205 lbs per tonne = 16,162.65 lbs oil per barrel

16,162.65 / 600 = 26.93775 tons per barrel

5,000,000 * 26.93775 = 134,688,750 tons for 5 million barrels
Not in the billions.


in fact, my original math was off as far as infrastructure is concerned. He shouldn't have any real trouble.


and btw Asbena, check the Japan thread for an offer ;)

Um, I also want to ask, how are you paying for this shit? You're in a massive debt because of your fun in Somalia. No nation has the infrastructure to send you 5 billion tonnes of trash per day.

You're godmoding like there's no tomorrow.


No....we use our own trash. If you can't understand CSJ's brillant post then you are just blind. Considering the first SMALL plant only cost $20 million its fine. Ours are 5x the price and produce more.

Oh btw...I found how they were losing money. They sold the barrels of oil for just $15 per barrel! Naturally we'll set ours around $20-$25 which will be so cheap no one will buy from the OPEC nations if done on a large scale.

JESUS FRICKING GOD MARY JOSEPH MOSES ABRAHAM JONAH NOAH MOHAMMED CONFUCIUS AND THE POPE! You idiots...yes idiots...are arguing about solar panel towers for 20 pages and wasting my time. And now Austrailia wants to invade Peru. I seriously am beginning to think this needs to be restarted on another forum in a different way. Willink, where is the forum again so I can have a looksee?

Improper math there:

200 tons turkey waste (use this as the average, though it would be higher) = 500 barrels oil

2000 would thus net 5000 barrels

200,000 would be 500,000 barrels

2,000,000 would then be 5 million

Okay..

What happened to the post where you said 1000 tons of turkey waste = 600 pounds of oil? Don't disappear posts like that.

Anyway. His entire operation will not be solely with turkey waste, as that would require 2,000,000 tons of turkey waste per day. He can't provide that, nor can anyone else. Turkey waste is higher than the others he's using in terms of output, but consider that the vast majority of his inputs do not have the same output as turkey waste.

What the hell are you talking about?;-)) There are approxiamtely 8 barrels of oil per tonne. You kicked your figures Smoke. Roughly 40 gallons per barrel.

Improper math there:

200 tons turkey waste (use this as the average, though it would be higher) = 500 barrels oil

2000 would thus net 5000 barrels

200,000 would be 500,000 barrels

2,000,000 would then be 5 million


in fact, my original math was off as far as infrastructure is concerned. He shouldn't have any real trouble.
For one, I have a feeling your math is totally wrong, but even if it was spot on, good luck finding 400,000 tonnes of turkey waste A day.

since when did we send 500 troops anywhere? it is different because Peru felt that Australia is a impearialistic (I spelled that wrong) nation and felt they would be fine without them, and I make a typo ONCE and im apparently godmodding?, and I ALMOST declared war on you, wich I didnt thanks to you leaving Peru just in time

You deleted the post of declaring war on us. That's why.

JESUS FRICKING GOD MARY JOSEPH MOSES ABRAHAM JONAH NOAH MOHAMMED CONFUCIUS AND THE POPE! You idiots...yes idiots...are arguing about solar panel towers for 20 pages and wasting my time. And now Austrailia wants to invade Peru. I seriously am beginning to think this needs to be restarted on another forum in a different way. Willink, where is the forum again so I can have a looksee?
THANK GOODNESS youve come to your sences (actually I think the main problem is Asbena but w/e) dont start flaming me for that comment asbena, please

Okay..

What happened to the post where you said 1000 tons of turkey waste = 600 pounds of oil? Don't disappear posts like that.

Anyway. His entire operation will not be solely with turkey waste, as that would require 2,000,000 tons of turkey waste per day. He can't provide that, nor can anyone else. Turkey waste is higher than the others he's using in terms of output, but consider that the vast majority of his inputs do not have the same output as turkey waste.

I swear....you people. He was using an EXAMPLE. Turkey waste is a horrible converter!

Example #2:
100 Pounds of PLASTIC BOTTLES = 70 pounds oil, 16 pounds gas, 6 pounds carbon solids, 8 pounds water.

Example #3:
100 Pounds of MUNICIPAL LIQUID WASTE: 26 pounds oil, 9 pounds gas, 8 pounds carbon and mineral solids, 57 pounds water.

Example #4:
100 Pounds of MEDICAL WASTE: 65 pounds oil, 10 pounds gas, 5 pounds carbon and metal solids, 20 pounds water.

Example 3 would be like the Turkey Offal. >.>

JESUS FRICKING GOD MARY JOSEPH MOSES ABRAHAM JONAH NOAH MOHAMMED CONFUCIUS AND THE POPE! You idiots...yes idiots...are arguing about solar panel towers for 20 pages and wasting my time. And now Austrailia wants to invade Peru. I seriously am beginning to think this needs to be restarted on another forum in a different way. Willink, where is the forum again so I can have a looksee?

We never declared war, or wanted to invade Peru. Peru is our ally.

Though yes....I was upset they can't understand these green technologies at all! Its not godmodding, but they call it that.

I never declared war on you. Argentinia went way overboard in doing that. Anyway, I (the government of Peru) repeatedly told you (the government of Australia) that we did not require your aid, and yet you insisted on sending it. I mean really, I already have troops from Singapore, Poland, and Argentinia camped out near Lima. I don't need any more support.
yeah I did go overboard :headbang:

I give up. You don't understand a technology, too bad. Ignorance is just f-ing bliss isn't it?

Edit: fixed the swears

I don't know who's the more ignorant person, you or him...

we've already gotten over this discussion...there is no way that Australia would have this technology within even 10 years [original post: AUS#24 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10492713&postcount=24)]

and I'm certain that CSJ said something about it too, but I have to eat...

What the hell are you talking about?;-)) There are approxiamtely 8 barrels of oil per tonne. You kicked your figures Smoke. Roughly 40 gallons per barrel.
actually 42 gallons per barrel, and the official figure for oil is 7.33 tonnes to the barrel. That's what I use, and I've checked it with tanker payload listings to verify.
http://www.eppo.go.th/ref/UNIT-OIL.html this actually rounds it down . . .


As for what happened to the original math post, it was fixed due to a typo and being overly complex. It's 1 ton (2000 lbs) waste for 600 lbs oil according to one thing, and 500 barrels for 200 tons according to another. Either way, it's well within reason.

And actually, turkey waste is on the lower end. Of the four I've seen definite figures for, turkey waste nets 39% oil, putting it second lowest (after sewage sludge at 26%). Plastic bottles top at 70% and medical waste nets 65%. Thus, even if you used nothing but sewage sludge, the requirement still wouldn't exceed 250 million tons. If Australians are like Americans, each one produces over 4 lbs of solid waste per day, which would translate into somewhere in the 50,000 ton range, which would fall short. But the US produces 12 billion tons of waste per day. Thus, Australia at say, 5% of that, would still produce 600 million tons.

We never declared war, or wanted to invade Peru. Peru is our ally.

Though yes....I was upset they can't understand these green technologies at all! Its not godmodding, but they call it that.
Or maybe you're upset that we've been blasting holes in your plans the size of town-houses, because you have an obvious lack of understand of environmental technology?

JESUS FRICKING GOD MARY JOSEPH MOSES ABRAHAM JONAH NOAH MOHAMMED CONFUCIUS AND THE POPE! You idiots...yes idiots...are arguing about solar panel towers for 20 pages and wasting my time. And now Austrailia wants to invade Peru. I seriously am beginning to think this needs to be restarted on another forum in a different way. Willink, where is the forum again so I can have a looksee?

When was this? this is totally amusing...

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?mforum=21c

there it is :)

not that long ago... but I think he used about half the names in the old testament :eek:

actually 42 gallons per barrel, and the official figure for oil is 7.33 tonnes to the barrel. That's what I use, and I've checked it with tanker payload listings to verify.


As for what happened to the original math post, it was fixed due to a typo and being overly complex. It's 1 ton (2000 lbs) waste for 600 lbs oil according to one thing, and 500 barrels for 200 tons according to another. Either way, it's well within reason.

And actually, turkey waste is on the lower end. Of the four I've seen definite figures for, turkey waste nets 39% oil, putting it second lowest (after sewage sludge at 26%). Plastic bottles top at 70% and medical waste nets 65%. Thus, even if you used nothing but sewage sludge, the requirement still wouldn't exceed 250 million tons. If Australians are like Americans, each one produces over 4 lbs of solid waste per day, which would translate into somewhere in the 50,000 ton range, which would fall short. But the US produces 12 billion tons of waste per day. Thus, Australia at say, 5% of that, would still produce 600 million tons.


No. No. No. Australia does not produce the trash needed per day to have the one million barrels it needs a day, and even if the US was exporting all of its trash as fast as it could to Australia, it wouldn't be able to make up for the shortfall either.

You all need to get a grip on the situation; I am tired of arguing the same point over and over again only to be ignored and assaulted by arguments already defeated previously.

I don't know who's the more ignorant person, you or him...

we've already gotten over this discussion...there is no way that Australia would have this technology within even 10 years [original post: AUS#24 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10492713&postcount=24)]

and I'm certain that CSJ said something about it too, but I have to eat...

Naktan the plant is functioning already and has been working well. They make the oil for around $10-12 per barrel with 85% efficentcy. If they sold it for $25 it'd be profitable.

Now everyone who is against this tech being practical or easy to use. CSJ has worked his butt off. (Or at least I would have) He came up with proper HARD numbers and worked wonderfully to illustrate the point of its existance, far better then I could do or have done. Serious, CSJ. You rock!

Its been 4 IC (nearly 5) and there is nothing more then heresay on why I cannot use these cheap and readily availiable, not complex machines to produce crude oil and natural gas for cheap.

No. No. No. Australia does not produce the trash needed per day to have the one million barrels it needs a day, and even if the US was exporting all of its trash as fast as it could to Australia, it wouldn't be able to make up for the shortfall either.

You all need to get a grip on the situation; I am tired of arguing the same point over and over again only to be ignored and assaulted by arguments already defeated previously.

ElectronX you're wrong. Accept it. Even at 5% of the trash produced of the USA we'd still have plenty. CSJ proved that. Now stop this before we upset God more.

Naktan the plant is functioning already and has been working well. They make the oil for around $10-12 per barrel with 85% efficentcy. If they sold it for $25 it'd be profitable.

Now everyone who is against this tech being practical or easy to use. CSJ has worked his butt off. (Or at least I would have) He came up with proper HARD numbers and worked wonderfully to illustrate the point of its existance, far better then I could do or have done. Serious, CSJ. You rock!

Its been 4 IC (nearly 5) and there is nothing more then heresay on why I cannot use these cheap and readily availiable, not complex machines to produce crude oil and natural gas for cheap.

Wow, you can't even understand people who aren't attacking you.

He hasn't provided hard numbers for the point of its existence. He's giving numbers for if you had everything else worked out at square one, how much oil you would produce for a given amount of whateverthehellyourusing.

However, everyone else is against you even having it at square one.



(People don't want you to have the tech in the first place.)

ElectronX you're wrong. Accept it. Even at 5% of the trash produced of the USA we'd still have plenty. CSJ proved that. Now stop this before we upset God more.
Then this retardation of yours. The US produces 12 billions tonnes of trash a day if CSJ is correct, five percent of 12 billion is 500 million, which is 4.5 billion short of what you need to produce the amount of oil your projecting.

You've been told it is impossible, we have proven it is impossible, now accept it, or leave, there is no other option.

I have the tech, its developed and in use. Too bad. He said it was possible and provided numbers. Good enough for me. Now can we get back to the RP?

I have the tech, its developed and in use. Too bad. He said it was possible and provided numbers. Good enough for me. Now can we get back to the RP?
CSJ proved nothing but how impossible it was, if you were not so blind and bent on circumventing the embargoes you would know this.

You my friend are a lost cause.

Actually, if you look at levels of industrial waste as well as just domestic use, they do have enough. The US has about 12 billion tons of total waste to put in each day. At 1/10th of that, Australia should easily be able to get somewhere between 3 and 4 million barrels a day.

He said it. Now do we need to take this to a new thread?

hell no we dont

He said it. Now do we need to take this to a new thread?
CSJ was also wrong, given that you 5 billion tons of trash a day, not 1.2 billion.

Now as I have said, and as many have said you to before already: IT. IS. IMPOSSIBLE.

Asbena, even if Australia produced enough trash daily, theres no way for the government to get their hands on all of it. Thats just pure godmod...

I seriously am beginning to think this needs to be restarted on another forum in a different way. Willink, where is the forum again so I can have a looksee?

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?sid=338cf363123a93eedf806ef85e8cd1b9&mforum=21c

:)

lol, that ones soooooo much better than here, and I think on it 21C should be restarted from 2006

CSJ was also wrong, given that you 5 billion tons of trash a day, not 1.2 billion.

Now as I have said, and as many have said you to before already: IT. IS. IMPOSSIBLE.
I take it back. I misread a bit and thought it was 12 billion per day in the US, but that was supposed to be per year. So yes, I retract it. He can't get the supplies he needs, but you're also completely off in the 5 billion tons BS.

So, it looks like he can probably only get in the range of 200-250,000 barrels a day, making him still a net importer. I apologize for the confusion and keeping this going. I usually don't screw up that bad . . .

CAN WE STOP ARGUING????????? WHO CARES IF ASBENA GODMODS 1,000,000 BBL/Day???????? PLEASE THIS IS OUT OF HAND!!!

i apolagize for that statement. i had a rush of anger and had to let it out. but im not going to delete it right away. that is how others are feeling about this game. We all just need to relax. Usually, i would complain you arent specific enough, but this. its just crazy. again i apolagize for my remarks.

I take it back. I misread a bit and thought it was 12 billion per day in the US, but that was supposed to be per year. So yes, I retract it. He can't get the supplies he needs, but you're also completely off in the 5 billion tons BS.

So, it looks like he can probably only get in the range of 200-250,000 barrels a day, making him still a net importer. I apologize for the confusion and keeping this going. I usually don't screw up that bad . . .
Ask Whyatica about the math as it pertains to Oil, since he is the one who came up with the figure, that of course, looks correct.

why must there be a fight over every FUCKING THING!?!?! THIS ANNOYS ME AND I HAVE TO READ ALL OF IT. ITS SO STUPID!! SO THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WRONG, THATS WHY ITS THE f*********** FUTURE!!! YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ME, ABOUT SPIZANIA, ABOUT ASBENA. YOU B****** ABOUT EVERYTHING! Cant we all just get along??? jesus, joseph, and mary. damn. im about ready to just seal our borders and not have to worry about this **** for a few weeks, which would be months in this game. then, i could invade all the people who complain and beat them..

*deep breaths* look. lets all just relax and act peaceful *beats up gang* lets just have this be civilized.

We are all getting along. Sometimes people just need to listen to the advice given to them with an "OK.", Not respond with, "BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 2 YEARS SO NOW ALL TECHNOLOGIES ARE POSSIBLE!!!!!11!111!!"

Oh...then 250,000 a day. :/
Sigh....Need to find a way to lower the oil problem.

Hello... Im back.

Seems like we're all getting along quite nicely.

But seriously... ya'll need to come down.

Well, if anyone else has had a week like mine, some hostility is understandable. The biggest issue with the TDP is that both sides were making serious errors in calculation, and kept looking at the other sides' error instead of finding their own. Such things happen from time to time, especially with something that most of us are looking up info on.

Beyond that, I do agree that we need to get something going on to fix the state things are in. I'm drawing up some ideas for rule changes that might help out a lot, and will see about going over them with Sel when I get the chance.


This is a decent RP, and I think we just need a bit to get things straightened out before moving on too much. At this juncture, too many parties are getting agitated. Maybe we can take the next few days to avoid doing anything major like pulling an invasion or showing off new tech. Give everyone a chance to calm down as we work things out.

Oh...then 250,000 a day. :/
Sigh....Need to find a way to lower the oil problem.
Well, Japan still needs OTH technology, and we're a leader in fuel cells. ;)
If you use that for all your cars and eventually ships too, that will dramatically lower your annual requirements, almost to the point that you can cover them domestically.

Can we all just restart? And give time for everyone to respond to things? One at a time?

Oh...then 250,000 a day. :/
Sigh....Need to find a way to lower the oil problem.

WOW that took a while

i again apolagize for my statements.

i think that we should finish with any situations occuring in our nation and then just relax. do some of the boring stuff. Elections and riots and trade disputes. That is my personnal view

Again, a 100 apolagies

i again apolagize for my statements.

i think that we should finish with any situations occuring in our nation and then just relax. do some of the boring stuff. Elections and riots and trade disputes. That is my personnal view

Again, a 100 apolagies

Don't apologize. We just need "God" to show up a little more.

Well, Japan still needs OTH technology, and we're a leader in fuel cells. ;)
If you use that for all your cars and eventually ships too, that will dramatically lower your annual requirements, almost to the point that you can cover them domestically.

Wonderfully the Solar Tower will aid in Hydrogen Fuel Cell production. And although we may be 15 years away from total integration, our oil supply will be safe as long as Australia removes the oil/gas and replaces it with nuclear for a short time.

WOW that took a while

Why are you still here? By my production estimates it would work, though we know otherwise now. Jeeze....leave already.

Sel must have been busy...its fine I guess.

Wonderfully the Solar Tower will aid in Hydrogen Fuel Cell production. And although we may be 15 years away from total integration, our oil supply will be safe as long as Australia removes the oil/gas and replaces it with nuclear for a short time.

This is one thing I will accept Australia having before the US. The US is just so freakin big... It takes forever to implement anything on a nation wide scale...

Can we all just restart? And give time for everyone to respond to things? One at a time?
I think we should restart on the new forum. Eh?

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?mforum=21c

there it is :)
How do I register?

in the upper right hand corner click the button clearly marked REGISTER :p

YEah, I just noticed that...lol...Ooooh phpBB, I love that. We can add so many cool features :D

if i register should i do it with this name?

uhh, do your name and country like mine is MaikeriaArgentina

Well you should have total integration (and a stronger system) then us in 2025 anyways! Australia has less then 1/10th the USA's population, but it doesn't mean that things won't catch off until three needs are completely met.

1. Power is not a concern (and you can supplement with gas/oil power)
2. End of the gas/oil tycoons which want total reliance on gasoline/diesel
3. Total integration on the national level with international support

if we restart, dont we all choose new country. Ill race you for USA kyanges



:D
;)

Sel when you register i will make you an administrator.

Oh, and for your avatar, use your nations flag :)

China! mine!

China! mine!

No! Never! Not! No! No! No! Bad!

well I still want Argentina :D

Asbena, I'm not sure if I can trust you...also, China is reserved for CT...although he wasnt that serious about it....

Sel, China being inactive caused quite a bit of trouble so tell your friend CT to get his ass over the the China R/D

Can I be China then?

all i wnat to say is that i want USA. i know you got kyanges, but I REALLLLLLLY WANT IT. I would do my research on every word i said if i could be the USA. Im not going to register today, maybe tomarrow. Sel i hope you will let me be USA, you wouldnt be disappointed.

I'm happy with Peru - though it would be nice if I could add Brazil to the "USAS"

Asbena, I'm not sure if I can trust you...also, China is reserved for CT...although he wasnt that serious about it....

Trust Asbena, with CHINA !?!?! I hope you are kidding.

Yes, he did enough damage as Australia - imagine what he could do with a nation with an actual military

*shudder*

hopefully...

>.>

I didn't take any land.

but you started a million OOC "wars"

I've claimed Thailand. I kinda like Thailand, even though it's fairly minor. How can you not love a nation whose largest political party is called (translated into English) the "Thai loves Thais" party?

Mr. Eb can have USA only if I can have China.

Oh crap! I registered without putting USA!!! ON NO!!!

No in all seriousness, I'll let USA go to Eb only, and only if I can have China. Please? It's sad but I think I would RP China better than I have done with the USA.

I think I'll stick with Japan if we restart. China would be an alternative possibility though.

China! mine!

You know, I hate to say it, but knowing you in RL, you quite possibly the worst choice.

China's more my ace type one. They are pretty cool. ^-^
I have TONS of info on it.

China's more my ace type one. They are pretty cool. ^-^
I have TONS of info on it.

Tons of info or not, you're not Chinese like I am, and just wouldn't understand some of the cultural aspects that I do that would make RPing China more realistic.

EDIT: And yet, with all that info, you still didn't understand what I meant when I mentioned Pakistan's deal with China regarding the FC-1.

Can I be China then?

I'd leave if Asbena got China...

China's more my ace type one. They are pretty cool. ^-^
I have TONS of info on it.

You don't even RP Australia well...I'd die if you were China...

Tons of info or not, you're not Chinese like I am, and just wouldn't understand some of the cultural aspects that I do that would make RPing China more realistic.

EDIT: And yet, with all that info, you still didn't understand what I meant when I mentioned Pakistan's deal with China regarding the FC-1.

What post was this? O.o

I'd leave if Asbena got China...

I know Sel has final say. Just let the guy know I'm Chinese, and understand China in that tiny respect, better that Asbena does.

Oh crap! I registered without putting USA!!! ON NO!!!

No in all seriousness, I'll let USA go to Eb only, and only if I can have China. Please? It's sad but I think I would RP China better than I have done with the USA.

I would second, but I don't quite trust Eb with the USA, seeing as what he's been doing with Poland...

What post was this? O.o

Not in any post. Just any time I talk to you in RL about China.

>.> When do you do that?

>.> When do you do that?

Lol, just think for a moment. And all will be clear my...eh...kid.

Lol, just think for a moment. And all will be clear my...eh...kid.

Ewww... >.> *feels dirty*

Ewww... >.> *feels dirty*

Like I said, you're just a kid. Hey Nak, can you delete my account?

Sel....china?

Sel just sorta let me be China, Asb...

Sel just sorta let me be China, Asb...
Where?

Like I said, you're just a kid. Hey Nak, can you delete my account?

I'm not an admin on that forum...just a mod...

No, he didn't really.

I asked if I could, and all he said was, "I guess."

But then again, he said pretty much the same thing when I asked to be the USA.


Oh, yeah, since Naktan has expressed his misgivings to let Eb be the USA, I'm putting my claim on China on hold.

I'm currently negotiating with Sel to let my main nation be China, and let me NPC the USA.

Oh well... who cares.

Oh well... who cares.

...

What!?

What!?

Nothin. I'll tell you tomorrow. If I remember.

Nothin. I'll tell you tomorrow. If I remember.
I'll be busy. Talk now. ^^

FYI to all, keep this thread alive for new players and old ones as well...

If you want to join this thread, we've moved off-site to a separate thread. If you want to join, TG Sel Appa and he'll back to you ASAP :)

Hey guys I'll be gone for a while; I really can't tell you until when; I got a really bad fever this weekend, and although the fever is gone now, I still have symptons of being sick and dizyness. Thanks.

Have we moved?

I think so:

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?mforum=21c

Hey guys I'll be gone for a while; I really can't tell you until when; I got a really bad fever this weekend, and although the fever is gone now, I still have symptons of being sick and dizyness. Thanks.

get better soon :(

Are we stil lgoing to do this or what?

kyanges, you said i could be USA. How could you be China and NPC USA. that would not be fair. Were you kidding or something? Im going to make my own USA thread in the new forum. Im going to start up from where you are.

Sel- are we starting fom 2011 or are we restarting?

Kyanges appears to be both. ^-^

Listen up! This is how I see it until Naktan or Sel tells me otherwise:

Kyanges is USA

Cominique (or whatever his name is) is still China

Ebedron is Poland

We ARE NOT starting over.


Actually, I have no idea where most of these rumors came from, unless Sel has agreed to any of this... which I can't imagine he would.

Naktan? Do you have any idea what is going on here?

sel needs to get on and explain.

Agreed....though I hope the RP stays on NS.

kyanges, you said i could be USA. How could you be China and NPC USA. that would not be fair. Were you kidding or something? Im going to make my own USA thread in the new forum. Im going to start up from where you are.

Sel- are we starting fom 2011 or are we restarting?

Eb, I simply TG'd Sel if I could be USA, and NPC China, and he said, "I guess."

Please check the newer forums and your threads for more info.

Kyanges don't you think we should stay on NS though?

but if you are the USA and CHina it would not be fair.

Kyanges don't you think we should stay on NS though?

It'd end a lot of headaches, yes. But it'd also continue the ones we have now...

but if you are the USA and CHina it would not be fair.

If Sel approves...I'd be fine with it.

Kyanges...I do hope we stay here.

but if you are the USA and CHina it would not be fair.

I had a few plans for to make this work out not in either of their favor. I want to do something about Taiwan, do something about the USA China relationship, and finish up the Peru terrorist incident.

I'm going to be terribly honest and say I'm having conflicting feelings about this all, and I frankly don't want you to be USA just yet, after watching how your space program went (Thanks for eventually conceding btw.) and the fact that I won't hold as much of an influential position anymore.


I'll work this out in my mind for the next ten minutes, officially concluding a night's worth of headaches, and setting this right.

Finally, whether it's fair or not, I asked if I could keep the USA, and NPC China, and got the ok.

It's not like I just jumped in the confusion. I asked Sel.

Over some deliberation, I've decided to go with what I asked Sel over TG:

USA is main nation.
China is NPC.

That is all.

I thought so to Ebed...but its fine.

comeon dude. You and me can hackle and have fun if you are china and im USA.

*Haggle...

I see your point but I trust Kyanges....he has a plan for 21-C and its good. Also since he's very active no more BS with the former China.

*tear* well. i dont think i can go back to poland

Sel hasn't said anything yet...

wait for his word on it...

Jeeze....alright, I guess we wait. I got some ideas still as Australia left....250,000 barrels a day is going to break my budget if I don't do something QUICK.

Sure...why not.

*appears at microphone and taps* AHEM! I have decided we will be fully moving to the new board. There is no need to copy any information over, other than the first post of your threads. But, do link to your old posts.

Where is the new board?

(respond quick because the ass at the resort business center will kick me off soon)

Hahaha I Have Fooled Him!!!
I Have Told The Ass That I Must Complete A Language Arts Essay
Hahaha!!!

*appears at microphone and taps* AHEM! I have decided we will be fully moving to the new board. There is no need to copy any information over, other than the first post of your threads. But, do link to your old posts.

Aww >.>

Revolution!!!!

Hahaha I Have Fooled Him!!!
I Have Told The Ass That I Must Complete A Language Arts Essay
Hahaha!!!
lmao...

why was my account deleted and my N/D locked? Kyanges already said that he was going to finish with the US after the Peru situation then give it to me. Why was it deleted!!?!?!?!?

REMEMBER! This thread is on an Off-site forum!

Click here! (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?mforum=21c)

And remember to Bookmark it!

My posts and threads keep on being deleted/changed. Why is this BS happening in that forum!?

hey Willink... i can't login for some reason... did you change my password too?

hey Willink... i can't login for some reason... did you change my password too?
I changed all the names to a standard form: Nation [NS Name].

my sn is still screwed UP. I READ YOUR PM AND THEM IM LOGGED OUT AND I TRY EVERY COMBO TO get it to work and it doesnt work.
:headbang:what.....this is very annoying. can we just stop changing stuff??????


:headbang:
:headbang:
:headbang:

Ebedron, you can check the userlist and find your login name.

A NOTE TO ALL ADMIN!!!

When you go to change a person's name, you need to be certain that you delete the password!!! Why? Because that it YOUR password...if you go in and change a person's name without doing that, they can't log in under their normal password, because you've replaced with your own [some reason the forum does that...]

I'll post this in the main forum too...

I changed all the names to a standard form: Nation [NS Name].

I realize that.. but my password won't work.

I realize that.. but my password won't work.
Naktan should have fixed that...

Naktan should have fixed that...

I don't know if I did, but he's online now...

FYI TO ALL WHO CAN NO LONGER ACCESS HIS/HER ACCOUNT ON THE NEW FORUM!!! [damned english grammar...]

If you cannot access it anymore because the thing says that your password is not valid, TG me or leave a note in the NAME CHANGE thread with your name and country and a Admin person will try to fix it ASAP!!!

Alright this is it. I'm using this forum and linking my posts on the other forum at the very least. My threads keep on being deleted and changed all the time. Editing the world 'damn' is also pretty pathetic, ICly or OOCly. Its not funny its just lame.

Alright this is it. I'm using this forum and linking my posts on the other forum at the very least. My threads keep on being deleted and changed all the time. Editing the world 'damn' is also pretty pathetic, ICly or OOCly. Its not funny its just lame.

It is not pathetic. It's right. Would you really want to read the word "****" all the time...

'Godmodding spammer' >.>
'Piece of Poo'

I think that's worse then the asteriks.

The new forums being down sucks. So, i think i'll post here and perhaps try and draw some new people while i'm at it.

We are in fact looking for more players, the new forum is

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/index.php?sid=b8932e62c4565c237e9a1c92992694b8&mforum=21c

but unfortunatly that forum is down for a little while due to maintainance.

soo... check us out!

it's up now.... so go! And it's very fun, we're on the brink of WW3 (If Peru or Argentina would just accidentally shoot some American ships already)

We should start chatting here.. just to keep this thread active to get new members. Need to get sel to get rid of that "not looking for more players' thing on the first page.

yea.... here we go....




SEL IS WRONG, WE DO NEED PLAYERS

heh. that should work

I think the "Sel is wrong" part sums up my feelings.
Well...I been looking since 2035 is a LONG LONG ways off and South America is just falling apart....what can be done. I know I said I won't post and stuff...but come on....this Sel stuff is more of the same.

Anyone realize that all the strong nations are screwing up and the small ones are being idiotic?

I realized that this map is more updated than the one on the actual page is..quite odd

I dont have a problem with you posting asbena. Just pick a new country you did essensially quit playing visably for almost a month and somebody else moved in..

Thing is I don't want to lost about 30 pages of stuff I have for Australia and more so to someone who lies to everyone and twists words in logs to his advantage. I PMed about him resigning but he hasn't replied, he went offline about an hour after the PM.

Sel did an IP ban. That's dumb, he rather ban then make a comment. Oh and Sel...don't edit people's posts.

Anyone want to do 21-C here?

Im too sick of Sel deleting anything remotely critical of him to come back to 21C

I don't delete, i usually archive, unless its plain stupid. Asbena, just take a break for a few days...Spiz, oyu still need a country...

You banned me, edited my posts and made a huge fool out of me as a reward for doing something. Recon is being childish and won't even speak to me and you go off and pull the McD thing. Ban both accounts and IP ban me, edit my posts to make me look like a homo.

I took a few days off before. Though you don't decide ANYTHING and chose to ban.

I didnt edit your posts...

wait till the weekend. then come back to it and choose a new nation, you too Spiz.

Also, please advertise.

Comeon Asbena, we need people, just, things got out of hand. Lets just get u into a nation, act reasonable, and things can go back to normal.

I gotta say, If sel says he didnt erase your posts he probably didnt. There is more then 1 Admin on there. We really are looking for more players so if you have played or want to. Please give it a look.

Seriously did you see the posts? There should be one admin and the others should not do this. I am FURIOUS, I want the person banned permanently. My posts have been edited from day 1 on that forum.

This has gone too far. Jokes over. You can all stop talking BS and making stuff up behind my back to. I see it. Mai, this means you! No wonder I have a bad rep, its cause of the little trio.

I can't even get on the forum cause I am IP banned. So Ebed I can't do as you think I can. I am so mad about this, it hasn't changed from the first two weeks.

Sel, set rules. It's your job as 'god'.
No more BSing about me an Somalia. If you weren't here and didn't read the posts, you have no right to comment on something that was legimate for 3 NS weeks here and suddenly became a no-no.

Players, play the nations right. I am meaning Mai, Ebed and Res in particular. You guys are off in la-la land and expect things to be right. Res, I am not even recognizing Peru as communist no matter what nation I am. Australia was your ally irl and you played as if it was your enemy. Your movements and system are wrong.

Ebed you should have destroyed Peru as the new America. You shouldn't be selling 5th generation technology either.

Now how about stop EDITING my posts, surprisingly almost all the stuff started is because of this person. I am tired of it, I am pissed, childish things belong elsewhere and not slandering my name. Hate messages are ILLEGAL on Atforums. The forum could be shut down because of it, don't do that.

So is trolling...

The more you get angry, the longer it'll take me to unban you.

So is trolling...

The more you get angry, the longer it'll take me to unban you.

Sorry Sel... but you probably noticed by now that I've somewhat lost interest in this RP. You can give Israel away if you want.

I will be back in August, and I could very well be interested in joining then if Israel is still around. Thanks for all the fun we've had, modding this, and for a great RP idea. Sorry I couldn't hang in there longer.

Good RPing with you! :)

Ok, hopefully we'll have something for you to come back to. ;)

I like this RP, as i've said before, its among the most fun ive done :p

ahhhh tis nice

Well, Japan still needs OTH technology, and we're a leader in fuel cells. ;)
If you use that for all your cars and eventually ships too, that will dramatically lower your annual requirements, almost to the point that you can cover them domestically.
OOC: Sorry to thread-jack and go off-topic, but I have a question for ya CSJ: are you native Japanese yourself or a foreigner residing in Japan?

Hes not Asian and lives somewhere in the Upper Midwest I think

I live in Michigan, about 30 minutes from Detroit. My cousin, on the other hand, lives in Japan. He has a Japanese wife and works as a translator on video games. But actually, most of what I've gotten came from good old fashioned research.

So, We are still looking for members. Some major countries are still fairly open for play.. most of africa, large portions of europe including italy, spain, poland.. etc. ah.. some asian countries and middle eastern countries. Lets go people lookin for an established RP. join us!

Figured i should update the list of taken countries.

On the forum there are alot more countries listed, but they are either usually temp NPC's or have been merged, there is however a large # of countries left.. so if your interested. Join us!
Australia-Recon (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=230&mforum=21c)
CBSS (Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Greece)-Cenanan (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=36&mforum=21c)
South America (New Inca Empire) Malkeria (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=261&mforum=21c)
China(AU)-Kyanges (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=38&mforum=21c)
France-Recon (temp) (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=6&mforum=21c)
Germany-Wandejar (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=259&mforum=21c)
India-Waterhelper (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=126&mforum=21c)
Saudi Arabia (Resdyn) (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=283&mforum=21c)
Israel-Geneticon
Japan-Clan Smoke Jaguar (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=24&mforum=21c)
USEAR (Russia & Old USSR States)-Sel Appa (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=241&mforum=21c)
United Kingdom-TRSM
United States-Ebedron (http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=77&mforum=21c)

Unless a country has been joined to another.. its more then likely free. just incase, here are links to the Bloc map and country map


Bloc Map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/juvanya/worldmap_new2.png)
Country Map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/juvanya/worldmap_new1.png)