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You could build a battleship or buy one, but I don't think it would be ready for an invasion

Battleships are pretty useless without carriers...an enemy could simply air strike it if the battleship has no AD...

Battleships are pretty useless with carriers...an enemy could simply air strike it...

Ya....or a cruise missile!

OOC: I was going to replace the Montanas aftermost turret with a launch platform for harrier IIs, then do the some serious structural work so that all three remaining turrets could feed off one magazine then more work to add a small hangar deck.

I know this might be in breach of the rules, but could i have dispensation to lay down a Montana-Class Battleship thats been upgraded to serve a similar purpose to the Iowas in the modern US navy?

First of all BB's are obsolescent if not obsolete, they are a HUGE waste of manpower and money. But if you want to waste the time, money and manpower in a BB be my guest, one thing though, you military isn't going to want one nor is your public(this is based on the real world), and its going to take you a long time to get it built, so it will not be ready for the Tunisian war.

OOC: I was going to replace the Montanas aftermost turret with a launch platform for harrier IIs, then do the some serious structural work so that all three remaining turrets could feed off one magazine then more work to add a small hangar deck.

All these modifications really don't make it a Montana-class...its in a league of its own now. Such things can take the base or concept of another ship and change them as need be. Though be assured that such designs of the Montana are anicent when compared to modern ships.

First of all BB's are obsolescent if not obsolete, they are a HUGE waste of manpower and money. But if you want to waste the time, money and manpower in a BB be my guest, one thing though, you military isn't going to want one nor is your public(this is based on the real world), and its going to take you a long time to get it built, so it will not be ready for the Tunisian war.

[ooc: Je T'AIME]

Well yeah, i have allsorts of upgrades planned its going to be like a battlecarrier more than a battleship, if only i knew what Antishipping missile the italian navy uses

Well yeah, i have allsorts of upgrades planned its going to be like a battlecarrier more than a battleship, if only i knew what Antishipping missile the italian navy uses

Then the base should be different and modernized to.

Can you think of a modern ship of this size?

Can you think of a modern ship of this size?

Frigates.....cruisers....corvettes....think small instead of large.

I might add that Italy is a member of NATO, and while that is no reason for Italy to utilize NATO as an excuse, it also gives Italy access to some rather good naval designs...why would Italy be looking for a new navy anyway? you won't be able to use it until later, and it doesn't profit your country to build an ultramodern navy...

OOC: I was going to replace the Montanas aftermost turret with a launch platform for harrier IIs, then do the some serious structural work so that all three remaining turrets could feed off one magazine then more work to add a small hangar deck.
I would not advise that. Moving the shells is the most difficult and time consuming portion of the firing cycle. You fee three turrets off of one magazine, you're going to have at least one with a rate of fire well below 1 round per minute, and maybe two in that boat. A single magazine also makes it more vulnerable to shock damage and penetrating hits, as anything that disrupts the flow of ammunition can easily shut down a turret or two. There's a reason why RL ships have separate magazines.


And for the record, the Italian Navy uses the Otomat missile (http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomb9.html#m6) (jointly designed with France).


Safehaven2, even today, battleships are neither obsolescent nor obsolete. It's just that the only navy that still has (and can afford) them dropped them for political reasons. And no, it was neither an ineffectiveness nor a cost that caused this. They have, in fact, proven throughout their service life to be more capable in their assigned role than entire carrier battle groups. The reality is the Navy dropped them as a show for cost cutting, allowing them to pursue more expensive pet projects (5" ERGM comes to mind). This was done in no small part because senators prefer projects that give more jobs and money to their states over what's actually best, while many Naval planners (and senators too) like the whole technical wizardry thing, even if it often doesn't work out as planned.

This does not mean that at no point in the future could an emergant superpower decide to build and/or operate battleships, or that they would not be worth it. It's just that right now, those that could, don't want to, but mostly for political reasons.





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That said, naval construction takes years for each major warship (and several more for development), including construction and trials, before it's actually commissioned. Naval expansion and replacement plans are carried out over decades, even in the US. Italy would probably not be able to have a single new ship out beyond those it already had prior to the invasion.
And as for the invasion, it's jumping off too quickly. You should at least have some buildup before you pull something like that. And regardless of any evidence you present, the fact will remain that you launched a full-scale invasion prior to presenting it. Hence, you will be condemned, and probably countered too.

Also, any evidence of WMDs would be much shakier than the evidence against Iraq because of one thing: Iraq was known to have had and used chemical weapons, and was known to have been pursuing a nuclear weapons program. There is prior history with Iraq, which doesn't exist in Tunisia.
And finally, no one really wants to get into a scrape with the US. Italy's not so bad, so expect some more significant action against you.

Yes. It took me three years and then some to construct my current fleet after the inital building of three new construction yards in Australia, this is a long operation of around 2 years per vessel for even for existing models and designs to be done.

You could build a battleship or buy one, but I don't think it would be ready for an invasion

Dude, nobody uses battleships anymore

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sweet

heh.. i got bored and was wondering. 1 day goes by just about every 1/2 hour. its kinda wierd to think about it like that.

Any chance I could join as Thailand? If so, what has happened in SE Asia? I know Australia's expanding its military, but what happened to Indonesia?

Any chance I could join as Malaysia or Thailand? Further, what has happened in that area? I know Australia's expanding its military, but what happened to Indonesia?

Well, I, as Singapore, formed the Straits League with Brunei. I'm also modernizing my military, which may cause issues between Malaysia and Singapore/Straits League in the future, since its a pretty big buildup in the works.

Indonesia is currently hosting Japanese peacekeepers.

Not sure about Thailand.

As long traditional friends with Algeria, we believe that the world should be paying close attention to the events in Algeria...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10552617

Thailand is open as far as I know...although Australia might have something there...

Hello, if possible, could i take Saudi Arabia ?

Wow, I just rememer to ask this, I wanted to see if Yugoslavia can join the European Union. And also, Sel, you were talking about some eastern european economic commitee? Can you give me some more info. about that. :D

I don't see a problem with that...

In accordance with the previous resolution passed in the UN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10552014&postcount=82), the Republic of France condemns the states of the Republic of Brazil, the Republic of Venezuela, the Commonwealth of Australia, the Republic of Argentina, and the Republic of Italy for their unwarranted attacks on fellow states [in the case of Venezuela and Brazil, each other].

We issue this warning to the said states to cease their activities or face repurcussions, up to and including economic and military sanctions. They have 2 months [1 day RL] to retract their troop movements. We encourage other nations to follow in the footsteps of the Republic of France, in deterring the belligerent actions of these states.

IIRC, it takes 3-4 years for the British to comission a carrier [the Illustrious class...24,000 tons about]; which is why I'm simply buying the already comissioned Illustrious, if the UK agrees, instead of asking for a brand new one.

In accordance with the previous resolution passed in the UN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10552014&postcount=82), the Republic of France condemns the states of the Republic of Brazil, the Republic of Venezuela, the Commonwealth of Australia, the Republic of Argentina, and the Republic of Italy for their unwarranted attacks on fellow states [in the case of Venezuela and Brazil, each other].

We issue this warning to the said states to cease their activities or face repurcussions, up to and including economic and military sanctions. They have 2 months to retract their troop movements. We encourage other nations to follow in the footsteps of the Republic of France, in deterring the belligerent actions of these states.


This is not a good thing for France....Australia won't respond nicely. >.>

Well, it is a good thing, especially since its southern neighbor agrees completely with it. :)

Denmark is preparing economic sanctions.

I may make a move to improve various communications technology soon, which of course, can have a military benefit.

Either that or building a bridge somewhere... who needs a bridge?

Denmark is preparing economic sanctions.

I may make a move to improve various communications technology soon, which of course, can have a military benefit.

Either that or building a bridge somewhere... who needs a bridge?

Israel might need one soon... :D

Israel might need one soon... :D

How long?

Current technology should be able to support a max 30-40km bridge, depending on the local environment and budget.

very short... I will let you know.

Doesnt that depend on the depth of the water?

Doesnt that depend on the depth of the water?

Not this bridge... I want a suspension bridge over land. I will let you know the specs when I'm ready.

What i mean is that bridges over land or shallow water can go on almost forever while bridges over deep water have maximum engineerable lengths

mhm...

in this case there is no water involved.

euh...

why on earth is there a discussion about bridges?

Do I need to wait for Sel to confirm my choice of Thailand, or should I put together a N/D post now?

I'm thinking that Thailand (which I'll rp as a semi-stable democracy) will be fairly neutral, although a bit pro-Spain (which built the Thais a carrier (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/thailand/chakri-naruebet.htm) a while back). Further, Thailand would be likely to favor Japan over the Aussies; the Thais backed Japan in World War II, and the Aussies would be likely to be seen as imperialists, especially in SE Asia. After all, they clearly made East Timor into their puppet in '99, and have now moved on to Vietnam and Africa...

Thoughts on what I have so far?

I think you should wait.

FYI - The current year is 2010...

seeing as God hasn't been answering his answering machine, you could get started now; I don't see a reason for him to reject you as Thailand...besides, we could use a little more spice in SE Asia... :D

Just wanted to make sure. As for the Thai military:
Royal Thai Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Air_Force) - note that the Thais will probably be looking to replace their F-5s
Royal Thai Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Army) - the Thais will almost certainly continue replacing their M60s, M48s, and Type 69s with Stingrays and Stingray IIs; further, they'll probably begin development of our own, uparmed and uparmored, version.
Royal Thai Navy and Marines (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/thailand/navy-intro.htm) - the Thai Navy will probably begin looking into destroyer replacements and possibly into getting involved in the F-35 project. To do that, of course, the Thais will have to play very nice with the US...

Comments?

You'll have a friend in Singapore. No really, we need trade partners, and we may or may not be able to sell you Sabra tanks.

Thai N/D thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10557494#post10557494)

Singapore, we have a friend in you, then. Specs on the Sabra?

FYI - The current year is 2010...

seeing as God hasn't been answering his answering machine, you could get started now; I don't see a reason for him to reject you as Thailand...besides, we could use a little more spice in SE Asia... :D

Thailand has good food....AUSTRALIA WILL OWN YOU!

Australia, schmaustralia. They don't even have any halfway-decent spices, and their cuisine consists of lots of alcohol to drown down their Vegemite...

Seriously, however, the Thais will be more aligned with Singapore, but aren't yet ready or willing to challenge the Aussies.

BTW... Asbena... have your dipolomat (or leader) enter the conference room in the universal summit.

Also waiting on US, UK, and Russia to enter as well.

You'll have a friend in Singapore. No really, we need trade partners, and we may or may not be able to sell you Sabra tanks.

According to the deal we made you are not allowed to sell/trade any Sabras... or their production info. If you do, I can assure you Israel will take swift action, as well as the UN.

Australia, schmaustralia. They don't even have any halfway-decent spices, and their cuisine consists of lots of alcohol to drown down their Vegemite...

Seriously, however, the Thais will be more aligned with Singapore, but aren't yet ready or willing to challenge the Aussies.

Australia is knocking on your door...we've changed Australia towards a economic, militaristic powerhouse. Oh yes....We made friends with Singapore, Brunei, Malaysia, South Africa and Israel. We control Somalia, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Tasmania and of course Australia. That's over 250 million people under the Aussies. Oh...and if you do not wish to surrender to Australia's might...we could always offer work-visas for millions of your citizens for producing more of our military power, building our agriculture center, powering TDP plants, and building up of Vietname, Somalia and Bangladesh. ^-^

We're befriending Singapore and Spain immediately; others will follow. Seriously, however, Thailand's somewhat weak. We hope to remain independent by diplomacy rather than by war.

Check your N&D thread... ^-^

Checked and replied to...
What did you mean by "selling" citizens, anyways? It sounded somewhat like slavery...

Checked and replied to...
What did you mean by "selling" citizens, anyways? It sounded somewhat like slavery...

Yep....Work-visa is different. Though they do this commonly in Thailand, India and other asian nations. You can buy people for about $300/700 >.>

Meh... I'm going to have Thailand go on a nationalistic bent; selling people will be considered a sin and weakening our nation. Further, wouldn't that be more hush-hush, anyways?

Meh... I'm going to have Thailand go on a nationalistic bent; selling people will be considered a sin and weakening our nation. Further, wouldn't that be more hush-hush, anyways?
:D

:D

>.>

Though yes that is the point of a SECRET IC.

Is the U.K. active?

Is the U.K. active?

Slightly... sometimes he will get on a roll...

Slightly... sometimes he will get on a roll...

What about USA?

What about USA?

Have not seen No Taxes in a few days... which is disturbing because I want to get this summit going.

>.>

Though yes that is the point of a SECRET IC.

Yeah, but I doubt that the govt is officially involved; certainly not this high up. Talk (maybe) to someone lower down; even then, prospects are doubtful. Sorry...

Have not seen No Taxes in a few days... which is disturbing because I want to get this summit going.

Ya...

For Thailand...let's say I go to the lowest of the low...would that work? :X

Doubtful... I'm not saying no, I'm saying that you'll have to go quite low - low enough that it might not be worth your while.
By the way, why do you want to buy our citizens? I'm half-considering publicly publishing your message and our reply; there's likely to still be a hard copy of your message on my end, and there's precedent for such actions...

Can anyone give me a yes or no on saudi arabia ?

Doubtful... I'm not saying no, I'm saying that you'll have to go quite low - low enough that it might not be worth your while.
By the way, why do you want to buy our citizens? I'm half-considering publicly publishing your message and our reply; there's likely to still be a hard copy of your message on my end, and there's precedent for such actions...

Doing that would be an act of war lol...and I guess I can get a corperation to do it in a RP thread if ya want.

Can anyone give me a yes or no on saudi arabia ?

I would say no.... we've withheld that from a few players already if I remember right. I'd like to see what Sel Appa and Naktan think though...

You could always choose another country... there's quite a few good ones availible.

Then again, A Saudi Arabia would be helpful in the next few days... but they're better adept for a NPC. I don't know... what's your thoughts Naktan?

We see all Mac....XD

Just wait for Sel...its easier

I'm on the path to agreeing, but again, Saudi Arabia is a little more sensitive compared to Thailand...

I'd wait for Sel, but he's been out for a little while...we could make arrangements for a reservation, and I'm certain that if you've got a long history [which it certainly seems the case...] Sel would be glad to make you his/her/its brother/sister/pet :) [gender equality...euh...].

FYI, on the bequest of fairness, the resolution condemning Italy for their attack on Tunisia has been retracted and reintroduced as a separate resolution...REVOTE HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10558431&postcount=100)

The thing is, is that Sel has been gone for over two days. I've already started RPing my nation a bit. I wish that the Admin and Mods would get on more, but I understand that RL issues get in the way.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472531
Not much there, because nothing much has happened

Asbena - First off, note that I was half-considering it. Still, war over a diplomatic communique? This isn't the Ems Telegram, after all; it's only a rather ordinary message.

Asbena - First off, note that I was half-considering it. Still, war over a diplomatic communique? This isn't the Ems Telegram, after all; it's only a rather ordinary message.

Lol....wars have been fought over far less. Australia is under major pressure right now, and a nice patch of industral factories would be pretty appealing. Though it depends on how the 'release' would be done.

Oh hell...6 pages are added and I thought the thread went to chaos. Thanks to everyone who kept everything calm and mostly in order. Anyone who made a D/N thread, but I didn't approve you are now approved. The guy who wanted Saudi Arabia can have it(sorry Geneticon, we can't restrict nations). Could someone TG me or something wth is going on in the world...all I hear are invasions of this that and the next thing and Austrailia marching around the world... :( My idea was too great for me.

CSJ, would you be interested in being a mod? Also, I may soon be appointing a second administrator. :)

Since it seems the world has plunged into near-chaos(please tell me I am mistaken), I am thinking the powers of the world sign a pact and form the World Defense Federation to bring order. Any takers? World Powers=US, France, UK, Russia, China, maybe Japan and India...

Current world events:

The Australians, already set up in Somalia, have begun to threaten Djibouti with invasion and intervention should they not turn over warlords (?) that escaped into the country after the Australian occupation of Somalia. Neither France or Spain recognize the Australian claim to Somalia, and Spain has pledged outright military support to the defense of Djibouti and has threatened to cut off Australia from her African colony and quickly eliminating the enclave in Somalia to liberate it. It seems Australia is rather unpeturbed at facing global economic sanctions, military action in Africa against a navy it cannot win against at this specific location, and facing possible naval intervention from France, to bolster the Spanish task force to be sent to Djibouti [carrying a hefty amount of mechanized units]. In fact, Australia feels pretty confident - we'll have to see how it turns out before we can draw up conclusions. Lithuania is training and arming Djibouti's army, and so is Iran, which is now an ad hoc ally of Spain, who is arming it with Typhoons and Leopard 2Es.

Land hungry Italy began airstrikes in Tunisia, but has not stepped down after a myriad and flurry of condemnations. Spain has promised not to aid Italy in its endeavour, although it will not participate in a sanction. On the other hand, the rest of Europe seems ready to stop trade to the country. It seems like their Tunisian campaign might end early - it really depends on how the situation evolves. Perhaps Australia's presence in Africa will take up European abilities before they could respond to Italy, giving Italy enough time. Spain is certainly playing Australia off as the greater evil.

At least, that's what's happening around me. :)

France concurs with the TG sent by Spain :)

Oh its only 80% as bad as I thought. So about my plan....

The guy who wanted Saudi Arabia can have it(sorry Geneticon, we can't restrict nations)

Thanks Sel Appa.

CSJ, would you be interested in being a mod? Also, I may soon be appointing a second administrator. :)
I have no problems with that. I'm certainly around enough for it, and this wouldn't exactly be my first time.


Edit:
btw, I've been looking into this for some time, and have determined that the CIA World Factbook might not be the best source for us in some respects. You see, they use GDP PPP (Purchasing Power Parity), which assigns a set value for each good and service that remains constant from nation to nation. This naturally does not reflect the actual cost in said nation, and therefore, while better for addressing standard of living, is less so for determining budgetary realities and information (ie, military spending). In fact, the majority of sources I've seen actually use Nominal GDP, which factors in the actual local costs of goods and services. The thing is, they don't even touch on Nominal GDP at all.

Now, since each of these does have a role, I can't completely respect the CIA World Factbook for omitting such a widely used statistic as nominal GDP, and might therefore suggest at least supplementing it with Nationmaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/countries.php). This actually has several other useful tools, including having the stats divided into categories, and quick links to world rankings. It also has both Nominal and PPP GDPs for most nations.


Other sites of interest (regarding national militaries):
Aeroflight (http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/countriesindex.htm): A lot of nations excluded, but a lot are there, and for those that are, you have a complete listing of every aircraft in military service (check under "current service types"), though most of these are several years old. They still provide much more complete information than you can get in almost any other single source.

Arsenal. Armies of the World (http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/texts.pl?category=state&mode=select&lng=eng): A generally good site that provides a wealth of information about most of the world's militaries. Again, some information may be a bit out of date, but it can be a life saver in many smaller nations where you just can't get the info anywhere else.

World Navies Today (http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav): Complete listing of ships in service with virtually every navy, including stats for most. Again, it's a few years out of date, but for navies, this is much less of an issue than with other branches.

Globalsecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html): The "world" section provides information on several nations, including complete equipment listings (even showing evolving inventories from as early as 1985 to projected 2010 figures). However, in even the few nations that are listed, several do not have this information (Europe for example), or are missing some branches (Japan). Once again, these can be a bit dated, but are certainly better than searching around for one thing at a time.

Thread is up-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472574

OOC: Hey i just posted in my thread
It can possibly start WW3
Its based on a REAL event look it up

A russian submarine named K-129

Is the U.K. active?
Yes, sorry I'm active, although not really until tomorrow when I have the whole day free. Expect some action then :p

Sel Appa I'm just helping you in Djibouti. Then what the hell should I do in the country? It seems you are only doing thing in Ethiopia.

Thanks Sel Appa.

That's cool... I'm fine with it either way.

Welcome aboard Willink.

But I warn you, you're going to have a rough few first years... hehehe. :p

Wow, those sites were extremley helpful Sel, can you post them on the front page of our thread for easier access? :D

Sel Appa, can i get Dijibouti as one of my NPC nations?

Probably. Also what country are you playing as Safehaven2?

He's Iran.

is it ok for me to sign up... if so, may i take Latvia?

Iran can't have the NPC....were invading to fix the problem.

Come on Safehaven 2 should have the spot. Anyways we really to need to have a Djibouti to see what they will do about the Australians.

Come on Safehaven 2 should have the spot. Anyways we really to need to have a Djibouti to see what they will do about the Australians.

Standard clean up operation...shouldn't even last two NS weeks...

I'm taking Lebanon as an NPC.

I'm taking Lebanon as an NPC.

Being lebanese I can tell you that Lebanon isn't exactly in love with Israel. While a lot of the Maronites(I am a Maronite) like Israel many are indiferent and won't help, while the rest of Lebanon doesn't like Israel. And thats not taking into acount how the Syrians, who still hold immense influence over Lebanon, feel about Israel.

Can i incorporate Albania into Italy or is it part of Yugoslavia now?

Being lebanese I can tell you that Lebanon isn't exactly in love with Israel. While a lot of the Maronites(I am a Maronite) like Israel many are indiferent and won't help, while the rest of Lebanon doesn't like Israel. And thats not taking into acount how the Syrians, who still hold immense influence over Lebanon, feel about Israel.

Oh... I know. :cool:

I've been doing a little research, and I know just how to fix this situation.

Wikipedia is a wonderful thing.

What (if anything) has happened to Burma? I'm considering making it an NPC in the future, or possibly just doing a bit of regime change (with help, obviously...)

Oh... I know. :cool:

I've been doing a little research, and I know just how to fix this situation.

Wikipedia is a wonderful thing.


Well, I can tell you no matter what you do, you touch that rock Lebanon will ignite, and I'm doubting the Maronites would support Israel this time.

Well, I can tell you no matter what you do, you touch that rock Lebanon will ignite, and I'm doubting the Maronites would support Israel this time.

You mean the dome?

Aramaki seems to have the best idea so far....though Israel doesn't like it.

Lebanon N/D:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472663

With a realistic starting scenario.

From what I can gather it is a very unstable country... at least that's the feeling I get, and it seems that Israel takes a lot of it personal.

Being as the guy whos RPing as the Tunisians (so i dont do both sides) isnt around and the fact that the Tunisians have taken extreemly heavy losses, does anyone have any objection to me making them surrender?

Is the USA going to be replaced ?, i have not seen taxes around, and the Saudi's have a CRAPLOAD of stuff to discuss with them.

Is the USA going to be replaced ?, i have not seen taxes around, and the Saudi's have a CRAPLOAD of stuff to discuss with them.

Same for the Aussies.

Is the USA going to be replaced ?, i have not seen taxes around, and the Saudi's have a CRAPLOAD of stuff to discuss with them.

No Taxes will not be replaced... unless of course Sel says so. He is a mod... you can't replace mod without Admin permission.

I would say just be patient... he will be around soon. In the meantime, drop a message in his N/D thread.

Lebanon N/D:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472663

With a realistic starting scenario.

From what I can gather it is a very unstable country... at least that's the feeling I get, and it seems that Israel takes a lot of it personal.

Lebanon isn't unstabble and Lebanon would not declare war on either Syria or Israel, they barely have military. Their airforce is almost nonexistent while the army is just a step above a police force. (Both my uncle and my cousin are in the lebanese "army", my uncle being an officer.) Now there could be terrorist attacks and action by private militia's but Lebanon as a whole would not declare war and attack anybody.

Lebanon isn't unstabble and Lebanon would not declare war on either Syria or Israel, they barely have military. Their airforce is almost nonexistent while the army is just a step above a police force. (Both my uncle and my cousin are in the lebanese "army", my uncle being an officer.) Now there could be terrorist attacks and action by private militia's but Lebanon as a whole would not declare war and attack anybody.

I'll take your word for that. ^-^

Asbena, what that post meant is that trade will take place ordinarily, even though you're in a state of war. I apologize for not clarifying; however, assume that, unless I state that we're cutting off trade with a nation, trade will proceed ordinarily, meaning that you don't have to talk to us to open trade with us for anything. Thus, I forwarded you to Thai Rung so that, if you wish, you can officially invite that company to set up factories and/or dealerships in your nation. Sorry about that...

Wrong thread....but okay. I was suggesting a center, meaning Australian companies inside of Thailand (having franchises/businesses and products being made in Thailand to) Which I think would take at least some government notice...or reaction lol.

Not wrong thread, as you addressed "Beltway" about an OOC concern with my post, rather than an IC post to Thailand about a diplomatic issue. Regardless...
Thailand's rather lenient towards foreign companies investing in it; unless I say otherwise, any nation can post on its N/D thread about investment in Thailand with the companies involved. Make the names up if you have to; ensure that I will know, or can find out, what products they sell. If you do so, I'll post at least an excerpt from a Thai news outlet's article about events occurring in Thailand as a result. Obviously, keep it reasonable.
Essentially, think of Thailand as acting like China, but with less restrictions on what you can do in it and w/o the occasional demand for help censoring or arresting people...

Naktan, whoever's playing South Africa, and any other people with African nations - perhaps the UN will be perceived, within Africa, as an ineffective organization, to be ignored at will? After all, they've failed so far in Tunisia and Somalia. Just a suggestion...

Scrub that last message, ive decided to drag it out a bit

Somalia is becoming Australia along with Vietnam and Bangaldesh so I guess something will be done about the expanding nation...but not for awhile.

Somalia is becoming Australia along with Vietnam and Bangaldesh so I guess something will be done about the expanding nation...but not for awhile.

I really do not think Austrialia has the manpower, navy, or air power to take Vietnam, AND bangaladesh, let alone Vietnam alone.

I'll take your word for that. ^-^

So would I. It's more of a mob military that attacked the Farms... which isn't out of the question.

I really do not think Austrialia has the manpower, navy, or air power to take Vietnam, AND bangaladesh, let alone Vietnam alone.

They are our NPCs and hence allies. We are forming a closely knit economy with them, and helping them rebuild each other into an economic power. We didn't fight them.

i dunno if i got any answer over whether or not i can be in this... can anyone tell me?

i dunno if i got any answer over whether or not i can be in this... can anyone tell me?

Sel isn't back yet. Though I would wait before doing any threads. Though I am PRETTY SURE you will be accepted. Only thing I can say to you is, wait it out and start reading and planning your moves for 21C.

i have an idea of what to do... i just hope it works... i wish i had lithuania lol oh well... anyway i hope to get in

Typical just typical, i scrub the surrender and ask him to carry on and he dissapears again

Typical just typical, i scrub the surrender and ask him to carry on and he dissapears again

Lol....that's for sure.

East Lithuania you might want to try and form relations with the more active members. (I'm always active for one....maybe too active.) Israel is another, Japan, France, Spain....those are all pretty active. Though I think I am a beast lol.

If he hasnt replied by 10pm GMT tommorow then im calling the surrender myself

If he hasnt replied by 10pm GMT tommorow then im calling the surrender myself

Though realize Tunisia would probably offer a conditional surrender still. They may be bombed and damaged, but certainly not out. If you want you could RP an attack on the signing of the surrender and escalate into another situation (albeit much smaller) one.

Thier air force is gone, ive launched an assault that will near completely knock out their navy when he replies to it

Thier air force is gone, ive launched an assault that will near completely knock out their navy when he replies to it

Well....do consider how you will look in the eyes of the other nations...I wouldn't wreck everything they have because that means you can't use it either when you DO take it.

yeah i have an idea over who to form relations with.. since I'm gonna ask for Latvia since no one has that. lol... besides the Australia thing, are there any other "conflicts" going on at this point?

The Italian invasion of Tunisia

yeah i have an idea over who to form relations with.. since I'm gonna ask for Latvia since no one has that. lol... besides the Australia thing, are there any other "conflicts" going on at this point?

Israel wants to move the DoR to a safe site in the summit. Aramaki had a better idea and Israel doesn't like it at all. The UAE has taken Pakistan. Russia and America are in a fusion power plant research stage, railguns possible by 2030.

wow... lol i thought the Australia incident with Africa was the only one... wow i have a lot of reading to due

Can i incorporate Albania into Italy or is it part of Yugoslavia now?

[ooc: whatever happened to national sovereignty? just an FYI, NPC does not equal free access and military control of that nation so you can incorporate it into your main country [or at least it shouldn't be like that]. That would be the same thing as Egypt rounding up of all the Arab states into a unified Arabic Republic [they tried it twice and failed twice].

All of these nations have their own nationalistic pride. Invading these countries or tacitly assuming control over these countries is going to elicit a lot of furor from the citizens. NPCs are just something to assume the role of a nation that you need to have a role played [i.e. someone volunteering to have Tunisia bombed out - forgot the name, and too lazy to find it...]. I'm probably the most anal when it comes to this because it seems that everyone plays world conquest like a game or even a simple book. There are millions of native citizens of these nations, who have an intense nationalistic pride, even if there is a common bond by race, language, culture, and/or history. It is unrealistic that any one country can effectively invade another country without any serious repurcussions from the native population. And that's just with the locals...you also have to answer to the international community [which is unfortunately a little too slow in this simulation, seeing as too few people can afford the attention to at least the OOC and the UN threads...but then again, the real world does have its red tape...] Personally [i.e. not the opinion of God...], I've taken a lot of this excess of war and assimilation, seeing as it is a simulation. But as it digs farther into the war conquest scheme, this sim looks more like another Risk game or Civ game...and while I like those games, I had thought that this was a realistic simulation game [the only and most realistic scheme so far was Brazil and Venezuela, and he hasn't been here to finish his job...].

Well, there's my 17574978732864814...th rant on the war and conquest theme...]

Does anyone mind if i take Yemen as an NPC for a border conflict ?

Can I get a mod for this? http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10564376&posted=1#post10564376

Well, this looks interesting. I'd like Indonesia, as I see it's not taken on the master list.

Can I get a mod for this? http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10564376&posted=1#post10564376

I hope he changes his mind. Though my 'fleet' has been fixed. I posted the wrong ones for the holding...

It seems we don't understand what an NPC is. I define an NPC as a minor nation controlled by a player and it is not their main nation. A main and NPC are not necessarily allies, they can be bloody enemies.

i have an idea of what to do... i just hope it works... i wish i had lithuania lol oh well... anyway i hope to get in
Ok, Latvia right? (Why is everyone taking the countries I plane to incorpor...MOVE ALONG! NOTHING TO READ HERE!

Well, this looks interesting. I'd like Indonesia, as I see it's not taken on the master list.
The master list is not always accurate and the map is sorely out-of-date. I also have a lot of homework this weekend and I have to volunteer at this thing tomorrow, so I won't be around that much. Anyway, accepted you are.

Though a lot of us choose to have friendly NPCs (so we can use them to our advantage like puppet nations), a bitter enemy would create interesting RPs (and as time consuming as you want).

Sel Appa, I kinda need someone to RP Djibouti for a while. My troops are invading there. If someone wants, can they volunteer?

Safehaven2 wanted the job.

Safehaven2 wanted the job.

Didn't he want it as a permanent ally? I'm conquering....so maybe he wouldn't want it as his. Though to RP the resistance sure. (I KNOW he wanted it, not to RP it)

Sel Appa, can i get Dijibouti as one of my NPC nations?

Right here.

Right here.

Does that mean you'll do it? Yay!?

I have sort of been doing that with Canadstein...but if Safehaven2 really wants it...it might be good.

What have you been doing with me Sel Appa?

What have you been doing with me Sel Appa?
Lightly RPing Djibouti.

Lightly RPing Djibouti.

Ya...I could use someone here for it.

Thread for Yemen-Saudi border conflict=
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472714

Ay guys i posted my D/N thread couple days ago, whats going on? No1 likes Austria? lol

yes sel i wanted Latvia.. thanks again I hope to not let it down... and i just remembered your russia and if ur planning what i believe your planning i'm dead... oh well

Hello East Lithuania, I'm Lithuania in this game.

yes sel i wanted Latvia.. thanks again I hope to not let it down... and i just remembered your russia and if ur planning what i believe your planning i'm dead... oh well

Lol, the international commitee will not allow forceful annexations. Don't worry about it man.

:gundge:

SHaBLaW

Im worried that the largest military exporter in the world (US) is controlled by a player who isnt really that active

Im worried that the largest military exporter in the world (US) is controlled by a player who isnt really that active

We know...

Sadly I want to buy technology from the US before I get totally shut down by the UN on trade deals.

Well, perhaps we can get a more experienced RPer to play as the United States. Give himsome warnings, and maybe suggest another nation for him to RP.

Wait, I just looked at the map on the first page. According to the map, America owns Cuba. How does that work out???
It makes no sense to me... :confused:

Well, perhaps we can get a more experienced RPer to play as the United States. Give himsome warnings, and maybe suggest another nation for him to RP.

China is another....but we can't remove a mod without Sel and Sel won't do that.

That would only solve this problem this time. But yeah, this is rediculous, and I'll note that a few other major military exporters are inactive as well. Maybe we should give mods and/or admins the power to approve trade deals with unplayed and inactive nations. That way, we can get things moving better, but still maintain some semblance of control.

Right, but No Taxes has very limited RP-ing skill and is not very active, how does he fit in as a moderator?

I agree about mods being able to approve trade deals in those situations.

And i think some very common and simple equipment should be able to be built anywhere AKs, RPG-7s, T-72 (not sure about this one).

The T-72 is not that widely distributed, and would depend on the nation. Former Warsaw Pact nations, and a few former client states would be able to build and/or buy more (ask and I can dig up). The T-55 is another story. Almost any former Warsaw Pact member or Soviet client state really can produce those.
For western clients, the M48 is similar. Just about everyone has (or previously had) them, with many nations still able to build them, and there are still thousands floating around.

There are other things, but in the end, with the exception of small arms, I don't think anything should be acquired without somone else's approval.

I want to pick up the failed OWIC for my Australian troops, it may not meet USA standards, but it would sure for us.

Im a Level 2 Participant in the F-35 program and i cant buy/build any, its pointless me spending money on its final year of manufacture.

Im a Level 2 Participant in the F-35 program and i cant buy/build any, its pointless me spending money on its final year of manufacture.

Australia needs the F-35 I think. Though the price tag is a little high.

What about me?

What about me?

Aren't you a mod?

I would RP America, but he's already taken it. i just dont know where he. havent really seen him do any posts for a while.

I would like to request Argentina if that isnt a problem

I would like to request Argentina if that isnt a problem

If you'd be Argentina, just RP that you didn't attack my port and we're fine. Otherwise you'll be seeing the Australian fleet showing up.

lol sure, I dont want any troubles :D

I said i didnt attack it, and that an anti democratic terrorist group was behind it by hijacking our ships., good?

I said i didnt attack it, and that an anti democratic terrorist group was behind it by hijacking our ships., good?

It never happened. That's better!

Australia needs the F-35 I think. Though the price tag is a little high.

Whatever, get some Eurofighters and a squad of SU-47 fighters, they're the best on the market. Yugoslavia is perfecting their Orao-3 and it will come out in a couple of months, it's being redesigned to have swept wings and more missle payload (similar to the SU-47). So I'm doing alright with aircraft.

If you'd be Argentina, just RP that you didn't attack my port and we're fine. Otherwise you'll be seeing the Australian fleet showing up.


:rolleyes: The fleet that you shouldn't have.

:rolleyes: The fleet that you shouldn't have.

I have the fleet...but it cost alot.

BTW...tens of trillions is so far off by ANY estimate. The US is in $26 trillion in debt, but our budget is more like $4 tril for the whole year and only a fraction of that is military funding.

I have the fleet...but it cost alot.

BTW...tens of trillions is so far off by ANY estimate. The US is in $26 trillion in debt, but our budget is more like $4 tril for the whole year and only a fraction of that is military funding.

[OOC: And yet you have ten battleships more than the United States has, while being capable of supplying a campaign in Somalia, which should be just as bloody and difficult as the US campaign in Iraq, while you are fully occupying it. You should have a similar debt to the United States, and perhaps even more.]

[OOC: And yet you have ten battleships more than the United States has, while being capable of supplying a campaign in Somalia, which should be just as bloody and difficult as the US campaign in Iraq, while you are fully occupying it. You should have a similar debt to the United States, and perhaps even more.]


What campaign? We took over it, its becoming part of Australia! The campaign wasn't long. What is your defination of a battleship...

What campaign? We took over it, its becoming part of Australia! The campaign wasn't long. What is your defination of a battleship...

Yes, and the American campaign was just as quick - it's the part of occupation that's the hard part. Just because you successfully destroyed something's centralized government doesn't mean that the cost of running a new territory, supplying it, and at the same occupying it, leaves. It was this relationship that drove the Romans out of Britain, since it was far too expensive to occupy and defend for the slim resources that it brought it. The United States is spending over a billion dollars a day on the War in Iraq, and the war is over, but the occupation isn't. This is something that you continously seem to ignore, to your convinience, and it's past the limit of reality.

It doesn't matter what my definition of a battleship is. If its larger than a ship that Australia has currently then you're going to run into very expensive problems, such as building shipyards to take these vast ships and maintain them/build them, new production of the large guns, et cetera. There's more to cost than just building the ship, and bam, you're done. Your problem is that in everything you do you fail to foresee the long term effects, and even some short term effects, and then when they are presented to you, you shrug them off as irrelevent and incorrect, when in truth you're wrong.

Yes, and the American campaign was just as quick - it's the part of occupation that's the hard part. Just because you successfully destroyed something's centralized government doesn't mean that the cost of running a new territory, supplying it, and at the same occupying it, leaves. It was this relationship that drove the Romans out of Britain, since it was far too expensive to occupy and defend for the slim resources that it brought it. The United States is spending over a billion dollars a day on the War in Iraq, and the war is over, but the occupation isn't. This is something that you continously seem to ignore, to your convinience, and it's past the limit of reality.

It doesn't matter what my definition of a battleship is. If its larger than a ship that Australia has currently then you're going to run into very expensive problems, such as building shipyards to take these vast ships and maintain them/build them, new production of the large guns, et cetera. There's more to cost than just building the ship, and bam, you're done. Your problem is that in everything you do you fail to foresee the long term effects, and even some short term effects, and then when they are presented to you, you shrug them off as irrelevent and incorrect, when in truth you're wrong.


I hold the opinion of Macabees in somewhat higher regard... I'm officially pulling out of any RP I share involvment with Assbena/Tanthan. Regardless of tech level, and regardless of any previously agreed to terms, until further notice.

We are encountering problems holding them. A terrorist blew up a cruise ship off the coast of New Caledonia because of our Somalian invasion. We are having problems with it, if you haven't seen.

We did build construction yards and plenty of bases...otherwise we couldn't maintain them. If you think it is a big grand battleship of the conventional sense...your wrong, they would be more like gunships with huge guns and poor armor.

Edit: Shut your ****** mouth Kyanges its been 3 years to build and that's legimate for 10 gunships with 16" guns!

We are encountering problems holding them. A terrorist blew up a cruise ship off the coast of New Caledonia because of our Somalian invasion. We are having problems with it, if you haven't seen.

We did build construction yards and plenty of bases...otherwise we couldn't maintain them. If you think it is a big grand battleship of the conventional sense...your wrong, they would be more like gunships with huge guns and poor armor.

Edit: Shut your ****** mouth Kyanges its been 3 years to build and that's legimate for 10 gunships with 16" guns!


And it's attitude like that... I didn't even mention your little ships. Way to read man. :rolleyes:

Battlecruiser?

We are encountering problems holding them. A terrorist blew up a cruise ship off the coast of New Caledonia because of our Somalian invasion. We are having problems with it, if you haven't seen.

And yet you are only 600 billion dollars in debt, especially considerng these rediculous naval projects.


We did build construction yards and plenty of bases...otherwise we couldn't maintain them. If you think it is a big grand battleship of the conventional sense...your wrong, they would be more like gunships with huge guns and poor armor.

.... three years, and you expect to have the construction yards to build them? Wow. It might take you three years to build the construction yards, and then it'll take you three years to build each ship. Your time table is completely unrealistic.


Edit: Shut your ****** mouth Kyanges its been 3 years to build and that's legimate for 10 gunships with 16" guns!

No, no it's really not.

I'm still confused as to why anyone wants a battleship, let alone 10. Why not just stick with cruise missles and Fighter-bombers?

I'm still confused as to why anyone wants a battleship, let alone 10. Why not just stick with cruise missles and Fighter-bombers?

I could see the purpose of a heavy gun ship, but ten is just rediculous, and even one by 2010 is rediculous. Australia shouldn't realistically have a battlecruiser until the year 2013.

And it's attitude like that... I didn't even mention your little ships. Way to read man. :rolleyes:

Battlecruiser?

Is that the name for it? Eheh....umm...they have to be able to be laid down in just 2 years to fit the time table of 5 years.

Mac....I dunno, I didn't have any problems with it before and my post went unchallenged of building them or of building the yards and military base on Melville Island. Mind you that these are huge ship yards, and I didn't factor those into it, I am talking operation of the forces and construction of the forces, not the construction, labor and time to lay down the ships. That would easily be another $500+ billion putting me at maybe around $1.5 trillion into debt.

Haneastic I was using wrong defination (couldn't find classifications), but its battlecruiser. I think.

Macabees....I swear...stop thinking Australia is continuing its normal building. We changed! Is that a problem for you!?

Is that the name for it?

Lol, yeah...yeah I think it is. The battlecruiser sacrifices the armor of a battleship for increased speed at the cost of survivability while maintaining the battleship's large firepower. Seriously though, they're almost useless except against shipping or some such mission. At least, that's what I've been told.

battlecruisers were scrapped in the 1940's. the main disadvantage was that their armor was way too weak, allowing for too many penetrations (look at the battle of Jutland if you want an example)

Plus, the cost of designing and building guns and shells for the battleships must be tremendous. The facilities and the technical expertise to design massive guns and shells no longer exist. It's the same reason why we can't just go right back to the Moon.

battlecruisers were scrapped in the 1940's. the main disadvantage was that their armor was way too weak, allowing for too many penetrations (look at the battle of Jutland if you want an example)

Then that would be mine. Its WWII type ships with just big guns and LIGHT armor. Essentionally you can take a civilian ship and slap a few guns on it. It will be about the same toughness lol! Its not a massive thick armoured ship, they take 5 years to build each! (out of war...in war maybe 2-3 years)

Kyanges...ya, since their is no natural navy for Somalia I didn't have to fear much, but being able to have something is all I needed. Essentionally a $700 million piece of crap.

alright, if that's the way you want to go, I don't especially see a problem with it, except why you'd want to (maybe something I'm missing)

Yes, yes it is, because you're making this radical change in Australia's manufacturing that is simply impossible. You failed to factor in the government's budget towards its people, the fact that Australia can't possibly build such shipyards in three years, and at the same time build such a large fleet - no country, in the world, can do that. The HMS Invincible Aircraft Carrier, which is not nuclear powered, was laid down in 1973 and comissioned 1980 - that should give you an idea on ship building times. The research began in [b]1966[/i], meaning it took the United Kingdom [which has more capabilities than you do in shipbuilding] a full 16 years to design and build one carrier. The Illustrious, of the same class, was laid down in '76 and comissioned in '81.

Now, your idols, Germany; let's see how long it took them to design and build one battlecruiser. The Scharnhorst was ordered in '34, and finally comissioned in '39. The Spanish aircraft carrier was laid down in '79 and comissioned '88. You're claiming not only constructing the shipyards, but building ten of these, amongst other multitudes of ships and submarines you built, in a time slot of three years. It would be more realistic that your shipyards alone took three years, and even that is slightly improbable.

battlecruisers were scrapped in the 1940's. the main disadvantage was that their armor was way too weak, allowing for too many penetrations (look at the battle of Jutland if you want an example)

You normally wouldn't use them in that role anyways - they were incorrectly used. I would use a battlecruiser for commerce raiding.

Plus, the cost of designing and building guns and shells for the battleships must be tremendous. The facilities and the technical expertise to design massive guns and shells no longer exist. It's the same reason why we can't just go right back to the Moon.

Which is why a $500+ billion for redeveloping and re-employing and designing these things. Which is why I had to enter into a work-visa contract with South Africa just to be able to provide people to keep the jobs open. (Mind you 2 million from South Africa are being paid less then the regular citizen and 200,000 from Thailand.) Australia is using others to keep its military open and power going. Its taking a major hit, but when it stablizes...it should be worth it.

Can someone tell me if it would be possible to attack a battlecruiser with RPGS?

I get the feeling that it's not...(Just a note.)

Can someone tell me if it would be possible to attack a battlecruiser with RPGS?

Rocket propelled grenades? If it was in port, and you were able to get close enough, then yes. Would it penetrate? Probably not.

Rocket propelled grenades? If it was in port, and you were able to get close enough, then yes. Would it penetrate? Probably not.

I didn't think so. I'm just remembering this one incident (curse my short-term memory.) where there was an attempt to do just that. Except that the shooter's aim absolutely sucked, and the RPG went right over the entire ship.

Macabees...let me repost the corrected fleet cause I have since decomissioned alot of them lol. Over 150 ships were not military in the beginning. That means my total ships are far less then you think they are. They aren't even the german ships you are thinking of...they are weaker then that!

I didn't think so. I'm just remembering this one incident (curse my short-term memory.) where there was an attempt to do just that. Except that the shooter's aim absolutely sucked, and the RPG went right over the entire ship.

There was a guy I think in Miami, Cuban émigre, who tried to launch a rocket attack on a Polish freighter with an old M72 LAW, and failed miserably.

OOC: Uhh both of you are here...if my ships and stuff were such a problem why didn't it get refused way way way back instead of by 2 people?

OOC: Uhh both of you are here...if my ships and stuff were such a problem why didn't it get refused way way way back instead of by 2 people?

Maybe because they missed it, or because they simply didn't care, or they simply didn't know it was a problem until someone else brought it up.

OOC: Uhh both of you are here...if my ships and stuff were such a problem why didn't it get refused way way way back instead of by 2 people?

I'm thinking that people just didn't care about you.

...Until it affected them... I have somethings in my wanktastic FT arsenal that would make people cry. Not shout "Godmod". Just cry...

Well my entire ship forces went to Somalia with the exception of 1 submarine and a few light ships. My entire navy is less then 200 ships and the includes supply, repair, research, patrol and support craft. Though I did say I purchased some ships. (Though I don't think we have to support stuff like that since it was from NPCs as long as it seemed reasonable.)

This world has thrown to chaos...

who's who now? and what's going on with this darned world? is Australia invading Djibouti? or what?

This world has thrown to chaos...

who's who now? and what's going on with this darned world? is Australia invading Djibouti? or what?

We pulled out of Djibouti. Spain hates us, and I have to redo my fleet post cause it was unrealistic (hell I put a NIMITZ in there when I only said I had 16 F-18's for Somalia), and didn't see it as a response to Argentina's Lafayette....so I am reworking that (with 30,000 combat troops as total goal and a navy of around 50,000)

[ooc: Pulled out? i.e. formerly invaded, but decided against it?]

Ok then nothing ever happened between Australia and Argentina

ill take South Korea plz

hmm.. does the vatican count? if so, ill take it.

That wouldn't exactly be good, do a different one. >.>

That's a happy story :)

in case u didnt see the above edit, ill be south korea

Both the koreas are taken

Uruguay isn't taken. :/

DPRK is NPC...if it's alright with Sel, we can revert an NPC into an actual player, unless you really, really want ROK...and what's wrong with the Holy See? That's not a bad state...

DPRK is NPC...if it's alright with Sel, we can revert an NPC into an actual player, unless you really, really want ROK...and what's wrong with the Holy See? That's not a bad state...

Can we lay of the acronyms for a bit? What is DPRK and I assume ROK is Republic of Korea...

DPRK = Democratic People's Republic of Korea [North Korea]

ROK = Republic of Korea [South Korea]

DPRK is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

I'll be an oddball and pick New Zealand, if nobody else has.

Just and FYI, there are two resolutions in the UN floor right now...

one is a reintroduction of the condemnation of the Italian invasion of Tunisia.

two is a condemnation of the military coup in Algeria.

Vote on both ASAP!

Just and FYI, there are two resolutions in the UN floor right now...

one is a reintroduction of the condemnation of the Italian invasion of Tunisia.

two is a condemnation of the military coup in Algeria.

Vote on both ASAP!

How about telling us what we want to know instead of starting new crap or this dies.

How about telling us what we want to know instead of starting new crap or this dies.

What do you want to know?

The resolutions are here for your viewing if it so pleases you:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10567932&postcount=117 [Condemnation of Algeria for their illegitimate military coup]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10558431&postcount=100
[Condemnation of Italy for their invasion of Tunisia]

I want to appeal to just kick Asbena out of the game. He's now ignoring declerations of war on his government, and this is just getting out of hand. He refuses to accept a Spanish attack on the ground that he 'naturally' gets the first move, because of course, Australia naturally can do anything it wants, and his knowledge is infallable.

What do you want to know?

The resolutions are here for your viewing if it so pleases you:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10567932&postcount=117 [Condemnation of Algeria for their illegitimate military coup]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10558431&postcount=100
[Condemnation of Italy for their invasion of Tunisia]

No...I'll do this myself....one second.

I want to appeal to just kick Asbena out of the game. He's now ignoring declerations of war on his government, and this is just getting out of hand. He refuses to accept a Spanish attack on the ground that he 'naturally' gets the first move, because of course, Australia naturally can do anything it wants, and his knowledge is infallable.

Your post doesn't make sense, first you enter the Red Sea and now you are attacking my ships were you don't even know where they are. The italians never said anything to me and this is so far past out of hand I am making a new thread.

Anything else will be IGNORED until we get the OOC crap from the IC crap.

OK. hold on now, instead of everybody getting huffy lets stop and look at this. Pause the world. gather your thoughts and post what you think is happening here. i dont want to see any auguements about things, let sel appa or a mod sort it out. If you are going to have war between countries. start a new thread about it and work it out there. i'm tired of everybody linking on random pages complaining. Wise up and do it the right way.

that's one of the things that makes this thing so not fun...

people think it's a game of world conquest, and when they find out that they can't conquer the world, they hit the reset button...

and while I would agree with Spain, I think it's up to Australia whether they want to play on with it, seeing as only four countries have declared war against them...I'd suggest that Italy watch this as well [ironically as a member of that four-nation coalition], cause this is what's coming...

A note to Russia and Lithuania: I have yet to see the post where the NPC Djibouti authorized your presence in their territory...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10568248#post10568248

Go here dammit. I made a thread so we can stop spamming like 5.

Your post doesn't make sense, first you enter the Red Sea and now you are attacking my ships were you don't even know where they are. The italians never said anything to me and this is so far past out of hand I am making a new thread.

Anything else will be IGNORED until we get the OOC crap from the IC crap.


Ummm, the Italians did say something, you just chose to ignore it, like you chose to ignore everything else. In the Djibouti thread Italy posted his decleration of war on Australia, and the fact that his ships were rondevouzing off Pantelleria with a Spanish Task Force. I know where your ships are through satellite reconaissance and ship based radar - you aren't the only one with radar.

Ummm, the Italians did say something, you just chose to ignore it, like you chose to ignore everything else. In the Djibouti thread Italy posted his decleration of war on Australia, and the fact that his ships were rondevouzing off Pantelleria with a Spanish Task Force. I know where your ships are through satellite reconaissance and ship based radar - you aren't the only one with radar.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10568248#post10568248
This thread now. I can't even read the crap or in what context...take it to the link I posted Macabees.

Hey Sel Appa since it seems No Taxes is gone you need another moderator.

yes sel i wanted Latvia.. thanks again I hope to not let it down... and i just remembered your russia and if ur planning what i believe your planning i'm dead... oh well
Hmm...no one seems to pick up on that. I would expect someone(EU or US) knocking at our doors asking why we are building up our military all of a sudden (at a more realistic rate than Austrailia seems to use...we're having budget problem after budget problem...Putin is probably screwed)

Well, perhaps we can get a more experienced RPer to play as the United States. Give himsome warnings, and maybe suggest another nation for him to RP.
I warned him once. I fnothing by tomorrow, I'll let someone else have it.

China is another....but we can't remove a mod without Sel and Sel won't do that.
NAh, China is special...he'll never be out unless he wants to or gets really bad.

I would like to request Argentina if that isnt a problem
Sure. Also, pelase be patient about making a D/N thread. If I let everyone claim a country and make a D/N thread without approval...chaos follows.

If you'd be Argentina, just RP that you didn't attack my port and we're fine. Otherwise you'll be seeing the Australian fleet showing up.
Your cardboard-and-duct tape fleet is engaged in Somalia.

I'm still confused as to why anyone wants a battleship, let alone 10. Why not just stick with cruise missles and Fighter-bombers?
Indeed, navies are sort of outdated. Carriers are really the only thing holding up the navy now...the rest could be handled by Coast Guard and equivalents.

Hey Sel Appa since it seems No Taxes is gone you need another moderator.

Wasn't he active today though?

I dunno, but... do I officially have The Argentine Republic now?
If so we would be very interested in diplomatic ties with Australia, and prehaps becoming Allies ;)

Well, i would like to request the nation of Taiwan.

i know this is 2010 and this is a rp and we can make up things, but can we keep this realistic.
first Austraillia is not warlike. they would not invade anyone. No one would. Spain would never declare war, nor would anyone else.
Yugoslavia would never form again.
No one would start conquering the world.

I know we are just rping, but can we start to make it a little more realistic?
i dont want to sound rude, i just hope that this could start becoming more believable.

Thankyou.

Sel Appa if you are looking for someone to become the USA i am fully willing to!
*waves arm*pick me pick me. haha jp. just think about it please.

I dunno, but... do I officially have The Argentine Republic now?
If so we would be very interested in diplomatic ties with Australia, and prehaps becoming Allies ;)

We could use the support right now. :o

i know this is 2010 and this is a rp and we can make up things, but can we keep this realistic.
first Austraillia is not warlike. they would not invade anyone. No one would. Spain would never declare war, nor would anyone else.
Yugoslavia would never form again.
No one would start conquering the world.

I know we are just rping, but can we start to make it a little more realistic?
i dont want to sound rude, i just hope that this could start becoming more believable.

Thankyou.

Sel Appa if you are looking for someone to become the USA i am fully willing to!
*waves arm*pick me pick me. haha jp. just think about it please.

but where's the fun in believability?

In the case that the USA becomes avalable, I would much like that over Taiwan :-p

Taiwans cool, but theres a china in this game whos an extremely powerful nation... so watch out, mabye try to get friendly with China so they dont invade you :rolleyes:

Actually, if the situation developed in which Australia was attacking a valuable asset in the Horn of Africa, I'm pretty damn sure Spain would declare war, especially given the amount of aid its receiving from Italy, Iran and the Islamic Federation. Realistically, there would have never been a coup in Spain, nor would Australia have occupied Somalia in the first place, but the world has radicalized, and you have to accept this, or else this entire RP has to be re-started.

I don't think Italy/Iran/islamic union know the specifics and definately can't have known about Djibouti, no one does.

Yeah whats with this whole thing, can someone fill me in on the details of the "World War III", I read most of the forums about it, but I'm still a bit confused

I would totally concur with Ebedron, except that this world has gone on an irreversible path to war of some sort...the best solution if you want this to be more world-realistic, start a new thread...

I don't think Italy/Iran/islamic union know the specifics and definately can't have known about Djibouti, no one does.

Uh, you moved men into Djibouti. The world would know within five minutes of the act.

WHERE IS THE DARNED SIC POST? DOES IT EVEN EXIST? [to vent my frustration...]

Uh, you moved men into Djibouti. The world would know within five minutes of the act.
To tell the truth I personnaly have no clue what the heck Djibouti is, exept its a nation in Africa that this Australia took over/aided

WHERE IS THE DARNED SIC POST? DOES IT EVEN EXIST? [to vent my frustration...]

DAMMIT Mac seen it, but where the hell is it! I can't even find it. There's too many threads now in which it would hide in! GAHHHH!

To tell the truth I personnaly have no clue what the heck Djibouti is, exept its a nation in Africa that this Australia took over/aided

Djibouti is a country on the opening to the Red Sea in Africa...it was formerly the French Somaliland [which remained separate from the rest of Somalia...] currently, Australia only occupies Somalia, although there is some debate about Australia's incursion into Djibouti...

Well it seems to me like Australia has done nothing really wrong with the Djibouti thing which is what everyone has declared war on them for, but is there any post about the Somolia invasion?

OCC: I think the Polish player is trying to declare war on me...

CBSS and I are working very hard to keep supplies from getting to the rebels in Northern Yugoslavia, and Poland said that he would deliver supplies to them and help them.

In case of attack, CBSS since you are there, will you help me? And France, will you help me?

Where is this? I'll check on it after I get back from eating...

OOC- Australia, Saudi arabia has decided to cut off its oil supply to your fleet, and is threating severe Consequences if your fleet is not removed from the Red sea.(They are growing annoyed with its presence, and im too lazy to write an IC post)

You entered into a 30 year contract. >.> Wait until the damn thing is figured out. Cause this is blown way out of proportion.

yo i asked first to be USA if NoTaxes is out. if you want someone can i please be it?

Yeah, It seems the polish player is trying to make war on you... I'll offer the Argentine Republic's support if needed

Is Portugal still unclaimed? If so, I would like to be that nation.