NationStates Jolt Archive

You entered into a 30 year contract

...Its twenty years, and, So ? It does not matter if i breach it. The Saudi regime is becoming tired of your presence, and views your campaign in africa as blatenet imperilism.

...Its twenty years, and, So ? It does not matter if i breach it. The Saudi regime is becoming tired of your presence, and views your campaign in africa as blatenet imperilism.

Dude....the whole IC post and war conflict is just founded to be over nothing. And Mac has been completely wrong on the Djibouti intentions. Now...we'll sort this out later cause its still OOC.

Um, is New Zealand an okay claim?

China, Taiwan wishes to be allies with your country.

make diplomatic relations with them in their forum

Given the fact that twice we've seen rp'd wars plunge down into utter messes, perhaps it would be useful to have everyone post OOCly their long-term plans here, in order to ensure that everyone knows what will happen if they try certain things? Further, it would be a means of reducing potential controversy...

Thailand intends, by the 2020s, to invade Burma with possible French (diplomatic?) support and topple its military government. Thailand intends, by the 2030s, to invade Laos and (maybe) Cambodia. Thailand intends, by the 2070s, with possible support from Singapore and Brunei, along with maybe Japan, to invade Malaysia. Thailand intends, by the 2090s, to take on and defeat Australia (obviously with help).

Thailand will essentially be a mid-major. Hopefully, we'll win a few wars and maybe intervene in Indonesia if opportunities present themselves there. We don't expect to be a superpower.

Still working stuff out with Mac...
No one attacking Australia.
Australia did not invade Djibouti. No matter what you heard, no war for it.

Given the fact that twice we've seen rp'd wars plunge down into utter messes, perhaps it would be useful to have everyone post OOCly their long-term plans here, in order to ensure that everyone knows what will happen if they try certain things? Further, it would be a means of reducing potential controversy...

Thailand intends, by the 2020s, to invade Burma with possible French (diplomatic?) support and topple its military government. Thailand intends, by the 2030s, to invade Laos and (maybe) Cambodia. Thailand intends, by the 2070s, with possible support from Singapore and Brunei, along with maybe Japan, to invade Malaysia. Thailand intends, by the 2090s, to take on and defeat Australia (obviously with help).

Thailand will essentially be a mid-major. Hopefully, we'll win a few wars and maybe intervene in Indonesia if opportunities present themselves there. We don't expect to be a superpower.


Lol I gave a version of my own. Attack and conquer Somalia in the first 3 year. So 2010 it would be mine. By 2015 have full Cold Plasma weapons. 2020 have powerful allies. 2075 be a possible super-power.

By 2015 have full Cold Plasma weapons.

Huh?

Lol I gave a version of my own. Attack and conquer Somalia in the first 3 year. So 2010 it would be mine. By 2015 have full Cold Plasma weapons. 2020 have powerful allies. 2075 be a possible super-power.


Too bad your time table is completely unrealistic, and nobody wants to be your ally, huh?

SA's plan:
2010- Capture/Annex Yemen, and launch a campaign against Oman, attack the Australian fleet in the Red sea, and possible air force in Somolia.

2015- Launch a campaign against UAE, and possibly Iran, Receive it's first aircraft carrier from Indonesia, form an alliance with Indonesia

2020- War with allied Georgian Republic against Iran

not sure about past that.

Australia, if you wouldn't mind posting any other specific military acts you intend to do, along with opportunities that you'd consider taking - such as, for Thailand, an Indonesian governmental collapse would lead to intervention and possible support for splinter states (like the South Moluccas, Aceh, and Irian Jaya). Further, what is cold plasma?

Saudi Arabia, any other opportunistic things? Further, what is your long-term plan for your nation? For example, my own state intends to become a regional power within South East Asia.

Lol I gave a version of my own. Attack and conquer Somalia in the first 3 year. So 2010 it would be mine. By 2015 have full Cold Plasma weapons. 2020 have powerful allies. 2075 be a possible super-power.


Be silent; those of us who want to claim territory (I want Portugal) wont be able to if you keep spamming the thread.

hold on, you want to post our long term plans? I'd rather not reveal what I plan on doing, and I don't really know what I'm going to do, I just go with the game

Hanseatic - OOCly (so they'll remain secret), in order that nobody is blindsided OOCly. Asbena seems to have been blindsided, probably unintentionally, OOCly and ICly.

I guess it's fine, the only thing is that I don't really have much in the way of long term plans, except maybe to get more African nations to join ASAN. I think Asbena was more blindsided by the fact that everyone started declaring war on him

Be silent; those of us who want to claim territory (I want Portugal) wont be able to if you keep spamming the thread.

Sel will know.

Google cold plasma.

Macabees stop it, your trolling is getting on my nerves cause you can't accept that you were wrong on the stupid post about it being peaceful. Now just stop trolling.

Hanseatic - OOCly (so they'll remain secret), in order that nobody is blindsided OOCly. Asbena seems to have been blindsided, probably unintentionally, OOCly and ICly.

Yes...OOC got mixed into IC and IC mixed into OOC and back and forth and somehow peaceful move to the USA base turned into 4 nations suddenly declaring war on me (and nothing in the UN). Blindsided....big time.

Though I doubt I will do any more African conquering for awhile.

Sel will know.

Google cold fusion.

Macabees stop it, your trolling is getting on my nerves cause you can't accept that you were wrong on the stupid post about it being peaceful. Now just stop trolling.

Why would you force him yo wade through your spammish trash to get to the claims of others? You know, the people who have a legitimate need for this thread, and don't want to see your latest wanktastic antics?

Do you even know what the definition of trolling is?

Definition: In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants (see Anonymous Internet posting).

I wasn't doing this; although its obviously upsetting you, I'm pressing my point that you fail to grasp and fail to accept because you don't want to lose. This entire argument is an ad hominem tu quoque on your part.

Asbena - isn't plasma, by definition, hot? Further, cold fusion didn't pan out...

ElectronX - good luck with Portugal; they're an interesting nation, but not much in the way of actual power. It will take a little while for Sel to respond...

In place of Sel Appa, we accept the following countries:

Taiwan - THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW
Portugal - ElectronX
Argentina - Maikeria

[damn, this list is getting long...]

Be sure to post a D/N thread ASAP in this thread and pay close attention to the international community as well...and please be active...it's nice to have active players actively contributing activities...

and to the other players making war plans...be sure you're ready to face the repercussions for invading without a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY GOOD reason...in fact, it had better be a GREAT, EXCELLECT, STUPENDOUS reason. And conquest and annexation? whew...that's going to be a nasty picture...

Err..Was New Zealand already claimed, Naktan?

does that mean i wasn't accepted as Latvia? or what?

Our SIC/OOC reasons for invading various nations:
Burma - oppressive military gov't trying to build WMDs [They may actually be, in RL, pushing towards nukes...]
Laos - only if gov't collapses, and only to restore order
Cambodia - only if gov't collapses, and only to restore order
Malaysia - some sort of trade dispute or something; byproduct of rivalry with them
Australia - imperialists

Err..Was New Zealand already claimed, Naktan?

nope...it's yours now...

FYI to all the new players>>> IF YOU ARE HERE TO CONQUER THE WORLD, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE FUN BECAUSE FRANCE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT AT ALL...AND FRANCE HAS SOME RELATIVELY FRIENDLY ALLIES WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE CONQUEST EITHER...

However, if you come to have a fun time, rping international relations and politics [i.e. DIPLOMACY], you are in good company.

Given the fact that twice we've seen rp'd wars plunge down into utter messes, perhaps it would be useful to have everyone post OOCly their long-term plans here, in order to ensure that everyone knows what will happen if they try certain things? Further, it would be a means of reducing potential controversy...

Thailand intends, by the 2020s, to invade Burma with possible French (diplomatic?) support and topple its military government. Thailand intends, by the 2030s, to invade Laos and (maybe) Cambodia. Thailand intends, by the 2070s, with possible support from Singapore and Brunei, along with maybe Japan, to invade Malaysia. Thailand intends, by the 2090s, to take on and defeat Australia (obviously with help).

Thailand will essentially be a mid-major. Hopefully, we'll win a few wars and maybe intervene in Indonesia if opportunities present themselves there. We don't expect to be a superpower.

OOCly, Singapore will take on Malaysia, and conquer them somehow, either siezing Sabah and Sarawak and leaving West Malaysia a destitute client state, or gobbling up the whole shebang-a-bang. Probably, this will be done with help. So far, likely allies are Japan and Thailand. Either way, I dominate the Straits. Again, no tolls are issued.

Then, we go on to extend our influence in Borneo and Indonesia (economically), and become a dominant power in Southeast Asia. I'm thinking something like the Macronesian Alliance from SeaQuest (the TV Show, no the NS Nation) is my ultimate goal. But, I want to do it gradually, and with probably a sense of realism. After all, taking on Malaysia will be hard enough.

Our SIC/OOC reasons for invading various nations:
Burma - oppressive military gov't trying to build WMDs [They may actually be, in RL, pushing towards nukes...]
Laos - only if gov't collapses, and only to restore order
Cambodia - only if gov't collapses, and only to restore order
Malaysia - some sort of trade dispute or something; byproduct of rivalry with them
Australia - imperialists

invading maybe okay, as long as invasion doesn't turn to conquest...

The thing is that you guys can be regional powers without actually OWNING the territory. You can have an excessivev economic force working for you, a powerful military that establishes peace and order in the region, a hardcore industry, or even a top-notch research program.

And I thought Sel approved Latvia.......

FYI to all the new players>>> IF YOU ARE HERE TO CONQUER THE WORLD, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE FUN BECAUSE FRANCE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT AT ALL...AND FRANCE HAS SOME RELATIVELY FRIENDLY ALLIES WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE CONQUEST EITHER...

However, if you come to have a fun time, rping international relations and politics [i.e. DIPLOMACY], you are in good company.

I'm good on that too. I'm not all violence and steel, y'know.

i suppose the best thing to say is don't plan for anything...or at least don't tell us about it...that introduces some bias...

Asbena - isn't plasma, by definition, hot? Further, cold fusion didn't pan out...

ElectronX - good luck with Portugal; they're an interesting nation, but not much in the way of actual power. It will take a little while for Sel to respond...

It's cold....that's the point of it.

im confused... may i have Latvia or no?

Naktan - agreed. Diplomacy, interspersed with the occasional intervention in collapsed regimes, is the way to go.

All - Going very OOC here, my personal favorite rp was the brief one with you where you commission your first ship; however, I rather disliked the recent rp'd war I fought with Gilabad. People don't want to lose, and wars are incredibly controversial to rp. Thus, plan OOCly with the nation(s) that you'll be at war with before you act ICly.

Asbena - but how is it made to be cold? Googling cold fusion didn't help much for cold plasma; please TG me (and other interested nations) an explanation.

I actually don't mind loosing; there just has to be a good roleplay that goes with it.

i don't mind war IF THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO HAVE ONE...

yes, Latvia is yours E.Lithuania...

Asbena - but how is it made to be cold? Googling cold fusion didn't help much for cold plasma; please TG me (and other interested nations) an explanation.

This is it. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/cold_plasma_000724.html
I RPed Australia paying much more then the USA did to get the tech and have it developed asap.

Cold Fusion uses bubbles not heated plasma...its able to be done on a desktop...but no energy from it.

Asbena - but how is it made to be cold? Googling cold fusion didn't help much for cold plasma; please TG me (and other interested nations) an explanation.

I think he's talking about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

Its cold PLASMA. Not fusion. Just confirming it lol.

awsome... so we can set up a D/N page now?

awsome... so we can set up a D/N page now?
If you're approved it works.

Its cold PLASMA. Not fusion. Just confirming it lol.

the wiki thing says fusion, but the thing says nothing about fusion at all...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472864


thats the page

the wiki thing says fusion, but the thing says nothing about fusion at all...

Its all about cold fusion and how it works. Not cold plasma.

now maybe i can jump in a bit.. how can plasma be cold... can't it only form over a certain tempature... such as on the sun? i may be wrong but im just asking

now maybe i can jump in a bit.. how can plasma be cold... can't it only form over a certain tempature... such as on the sun? i may be wrong but im just asking

Lol the article proves it isn't anymore. ^-^

Nations:
Algeria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10552288)-NPC (controlled by Naktan)
Argentina-Maikeria
Australia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469832)-Asbena
Austria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472273)-The Illyrians
Bangladesh-NPC (controlled by Asbena)
Black Sea States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470068)-Cenanan
Brazil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470366)-The Marxist State
Brunei (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472264)-NPC (controlled by New Dornalia)
Canada (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469964)-Toops
Chile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471550)-Defuniak
China (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10394586)-Comunisticturkeys
Congo, Republic of(Zaire)-Atlantis Minoros
Denmark (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472114)-Seathorn
Djibouti-NPC (controlled by Safehaven2)
Ethiopia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471765)-NPC (controlled by Sel Appa)
France (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469896)-Naktan
Georgian Republic-USSNA
Greece (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470087)-Omorfia
Germany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10456260)-Lachenburg
India (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471586)-Waterhelper
Indonesia-Juumanistra
Iran (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470784)-Safehaven2(Alt Aus2)
Islamic Federation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470423)-Palixia
Israel (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469899)-Geneticon
Italy-Spizania
Japan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472001)-Clan Smoke Jaguar
Korea, DPRK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10394586)-NPC (controlled by Comunisticturkeys)
Korea (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470090)-Velkya
Kurdistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470240)-NPC (controlled by Sel Appa)
Latvia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472864)-East Lithuania
Lebanon (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472663)-NPC (controlled by Geneticon)
Lithuania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491779)-Canadstein
Mexico-Venezcuba (The UN abassadorship)
Netherlands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10493019)-CittaNuova
New Zealand-Whyatica
Nigeria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469947)-Arithas
Norway (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470041)-Cotland
Pakistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491569)-Wakenfield
Poland-Ebedron
Portugal-ElectronX
Quebec (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470382)-Riptide Monzarc
Russia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467964)-Sel Appa
Saudi Arabia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472574)-Willink
Singapore (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472137)-New Dornalia
South Africa (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471344)-Haneastic
Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471366)-The Macabees
Taiwan-THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW [not a member of the UN]
Thailand (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472501)-The Beltway
United Arab Emirates (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469944)-Zactarn Prime
United Kingdom (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471250)-Huahin
United States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412875)-No Taxes
Yugoslavia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470434)-The Andromedan
Vietnam-NPC (controlled by Asbena
(Administrator--Moderator)

This is the most up-to-date that I have noted thus far on the country list...

This is the most up-to-date that I have noted thus far on the country list...

What about USSNA's Geogian Replublic thing ?

It's cold....that's the point of it.

It's not "cold" by any sense of the imagination. Cold plasma or cold fusion is "cold" enough to be produced on the earth without melting it. Futhermore, cold plasma or cold fusion will NOT be a reliable energy source, or even an energy source at all in only three to four years.

It's not "cold" by any sense of the imagination. Cold plasma or cold fusion is "cold" enough to be produced on the earth without melting it. Futhermore, cold plasma or cold fusion will NOT be a reliable energy source, or even an energy source at all in only three to four years.

GD it....this is why I get crap I swear. PEOPLE DON'T READ.

Velkya it is not an energy source. Read the thread I posted. I don't want to give away all my tech though. Just be forewarned we are going to use it on Spain if they dare mess with Australia.

Using plasma as a weapon is physically impossible.

All it is is simply anti-radar tech. It's going to be expensive to fit on a missile, and may make it difficult to operate radars installed in missiles. Further, IR detection will still work, and missiles are nearly always big IR sources.

This will, regardless of possibility or immpossibility, be a costly endevour.

wow

All it is is simply anti-radar tech. It's going to be expensive to fit on a missile, and may make it difficult to operate radars installed in missiles. Further, IR detection will still work, and missiles are nearly always big IR sources.

True....we know that. Which is why missile preparation is going to be combined with other technologies.

D'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!
Lol I gave a version of my own. Attack and conquer Somalia in the first 3 year. So 2010 it would be mine. By 2015 have full Cold Plasma weapons. 2020 have powerful allies. 2075 be a possible super-power.
If you mena cold fusion, that is impossible. Russia, the EU, US or maybe some Asian nation would get cold-fusion long before Austrailia could. By the way(opinion), Austrailia is just a backwart pothole for the West to tan in and watch quirky guys dangle their daughters in front of crocodiles.

In place of Sel Appa, we accept the following countries:

Taiwan - THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW
Portugal - ElectronX
Argentina - Maikeria

[damn, this list is getting long...]

Be sure to post a D/N thread ASAP in this thread and pay close attention to the international community as well...and please be active...it's nice to have active players actively contributing activities...

and to the other players making war plans...be sure you're ready to face the repercussions for invading without a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY GOOD reason...in fact, it had better be a GREAT, EXCELLECT, STUPENDOUS reason. And conquest and annexation? whew...that's going to be a nasty picture...
Ok, I'll add them...this is getting out fo hand.

nope...it's yours now...

FYI to all the new players>>> IF YOU ARE HERE TO CONQUER THE WORLD, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE FUN BECAUSE FRANCE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT AT ALL...AND FRANCE HAS SOME RELATIVELY FRIENDLY ALLIES WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE CONQUEST EITHER...

However, if you come to have a fun time, rping international relations and politics [i.e. DIPLOMACY], you are in good company.
AMEN

What the hell is going on here?!?!?!?! I'm offline for a few hours and it turns to chaos again. I have closed the RP to new members(aside from those that just applied and were accepted by Naktan). Can we please work this out civilly HERE? Also, stop making timeline plans that are unrealistic. Just keep it to yourself unless you are unsure of the realisticity of it. And to those Asian nations and whatnot that are trying to "fix" neighbors, d'aaaaaaaaag!

I think I might have to purge quite a number of people and just have a few main people that can have unlimited NPCs. Sorry to all the new people that might be purged. THIS IS NOT FINAL, IT IS A POSSIBILTY.

In other news, I will have a new UNSC up tomorrow. Finally, you can't call four nations against one a World War. A world war is a group of nations against another groups. Even more finally, STOP MAKING WAR ON EACH OTHER FOR RANDOM REASONS. Russia is more capapble than all of you to do what you are doing and I am realistically trying to make Russia a superpower again. To Latvia: You won't see Russian troops for at least a decade and a half. I need to set up some coup or something I'm still working out and then Russia will need to stabilize and be strengthened.

Hey Sel Appa we still need another mod since No Taxes is gone.

So I take it the 4 on Australia one is off...and Saudi Arabia now to (which is for OOC reasons I swear)?

Ah i see... i have that much time to find a way to ally or something... ps. this is OOC knowledge i won't use this as like my president going ahead and telling the future

EDIT: oh yeah one question, if i have an idea to form some alliance or something with other nations, where would i post it... here or on there D/N pages?

I'll take the position.

Hey Sel Appa we still need another mod since No Taxes is gone.
Oh yes I forgot that in my rant. CSJ will replace No Taxes as a mod. Please help us. :(

I'll take the position.
Welcome back. I really got to go now.

Awww man, I wanted to be a mod. :(

Awww man, I wanted to be a mod. :(
I'll keep oyu in mind.

now maybe i can jump in a bit.. how can plasma be cold... can't it only form over a certain tempature... such as on the sun? i may be wrong but im just asking

you can have water freeze at 100.C or boil at 0.C - it depends on the pressure...

personally, I won't get involved in this debate since I don't know enough to make an effective opinion...but I will agree that simply adding money to problem won't make it resolved any sooner - research is done by people, not money...that said, money tends to help a little...

I would never want to be a mod in this chaos.

I'll keep oyu in mind.

Can i bring to your attention, how someone really needs to handel Asbena. He is arguing with nearly everyone over everthing, and i must admit it is becoming quite annoying. He has been corrected multiple times, and yet contiunes to go against what other people say, with no consequences.

Can i bring to your attention, how someone really needs to handel Asbena. He is arguing with nearly everyone over everthing, and i must admit it is becoming quite annoying. He has been corrected multiple times, and yet contiunes to go against what other people say, with no consequences.

Umm...are you sure about that? I had 4 people dogpile my nation over something that can't possibly exist and its being resolved. Have you even taken a look at it?

Don't worry about Asbena...there's a peace conference going on to resolve that...hopefully, it goes well, but to say the least, I'm sleeping for the moment...be back sometime tomorrow...

Don't worry about Asbena...there's a peace conference going on to resolve that...hopefully, it goes well, but to say the least, I'm sleeping for the moment...be back sometime tomorrow...

Ya....man what a mess.

Naktan...I think 5 years of reseaching will be more then enough to add to the experience behind it. Though I gave it 9 for a full advanced use. Though this technology will be put to civilian use fast to.

This isn't an IC issue, it's an OOC issue of Asbena arguing with everyone else, and resorting to flame-like actions at points.

I think I might quiet because of all the complaining and whining.

This isn't an IC issue, it's an OOC issue of Asbena arguing with everyone else, and resorting to flame-like actions at points.

Please read what Naktan wrote. If your upset about my snap at you, I'm sorry, but please before being critical of what I am trying to present could you at least read it. Sel thought it was cold fusion, so did naktan, east lithuania, electronx and you all mistake it, even when provided a direct link.

I think I should be a little upset for all this confusion over it.

Asbena - first, see my post a bit up; I read the article you pointed me to and drew my own conclusions about what you're doing with your tech, as anyone else could. Second, I'm nearly certain that Velkya's not referring to the cold fusion/cold plasma issue.

Sel - I don't intend to go to war for many years, and may not do so at all. It's only going to happen if the opportunity presents itself. Sorry if I confused you...

Beltway, oh ya. After I provided the link you seen right through its weakness....well so could anyone lol. For normal paced RPs I am quite fine and pretty reserved...but you see otherwise from Mac. X-X

Please read what Naktan wrote. If your upset about my snap at you, I'm sorry, but please before being critical of what I am trying to present could you at least read it. Sel thought it was cold fusion, so did naktan, beltway, east lithuania, Kyanges, electronx and you all mistake it, even when provided a direct link.

I think I should be a little upset for all this confusion over it.


WHA?! All I said was "Huh?". NOTHING ELSE. Don't you dare try to claim otherwise.

And to think you complain about others not reading... >_>


EDIT: FFS, here's post: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10568873&postcount=1009

WHA?! All I said was "Huh?". NOTHING ELSE. Don't you dare try to claim otherwise.

And to think you complain about others not reading... >_>


EDIT: FFS, here's post: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10568873&postcount=1009

Fixed..Happy?

Moderation:
Moderators monitor all posts and warn rulebreakers. They also submit referrals of rulebreakers to an adminstrator. Administrators do the same as moderators, but can ban people from the RP. I will select moderators and possibly administrators when I feel the need.

I'd suggest you call them something other than moderators as otherwise people might be given formal warnings by mistake for impersonating the actual moderation staff when that's not their intent.

I have a suggestion, instead of Moderators call them VOP from the IRC format.

Well in other news...I'm researching Australia's position and I am not exactly liking the thing with Somalia. Somalia has first strike capability with all my nasty deployable weapons straight from the Red Sea. It'll make for one super nasty surprise when the area-denial systems are used against invading troops or ships.

Though I may be a master of slapping weak-tech together to make powerful fighting machines....but something says that plenty of anti-air and five subs won't be able to cut it.

Please take note:

2 hour Muslim Ultimatum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472930)

So, are we letting Asbena have Cold Fusion by 2015? If so, that means that a lot of other technologies, that are much more plausible at this date, also are 'legalized', and I'd like to spearhead that research into real world use - namely, on the new MBT.

Umm...are you sure about that? I had 4 people dogpile my nation over something that can't possibly exist and its being resolved. Have you even taken a look at it?


Actually, through moderator intervention it was deemed to exist, since the SIC that you claim exists never was found. Four nations didn't dogpile your nation - four nations declared war. Only one nation, myself, actually did something about it, and the only reason I'm going through peace is because, frankly, you bitched so much that I don't want to work with you any longer - it's just too much of my time to deal with it. All you have done when someone has tried to declare war on you is complain, and personally, I think you should shape up, or get out, but fortunately for you, the mods seem to be on your side about letting you stay.

but fortunately for you, the mods seem to be on your side about letting you stay.

yes we are... at least I am.

So, are we letting Asbena have Cold Fusion by 2015? If so, that means that a lot of other technologies, that are much more plausible at this date, also are 'legalized', and I'd like to spearhead that research into real world use - namely, on the new MBT.

i don't know much about the technology, but I am tending to agree with Sel about the tech advance thingy...nations that havev no prior history with the technology would have to practically start from scratch, unless there is a cooperative deal with the nations, but still, I will say this about any kind of tech advance, THROWING MONEY AT THE PROBLEM WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY FASTER... you need scientists of good quality, the knowledge behind the technology, the facitilies, the materials, the industrial capabitily to sustain these things, and a good reason. Seeing as Australia has most of these things, I wouldn't mind it, except that 3 or 5 years is seemingly too short, as are many of his other programs...it's better to overshoot and get done early [reasonably] than to undershoot and end up extending the program...again, the way we're working on technology sounds like we're playing Civilization, where the more money we put into it makes it go faster...science works by experimentation and mistakes in RL, not by money...that said, money helps to buy alot of the stuff that you need [this goes hand-in-hand with the resource necessity...]. If Sel Appa could be more definitive on the technology thingy, that would be a lot better...

About people staying or going, I don't think Sel Appa has even given any of the Mods authority to boot people -meaning that only God can kill people...even then, Australia has only been mostly uncooperative with you and some of the other people...in my opinion, everyone is going about this whole ordeal misinformed and misguided, so like everyone has been saying, practice patience with this.

That said, I think Australia should have the chance to continue on, and resolve this thing rather than leave it unresolved and undecided...

ANd Spain, are you going to reply to the peace invitation?

yeah... as we go along... new tech is going to be more and more important.

I think all Level 1 and 2 Participants in the F-35 program should be allowed to build them themselves being as US is not active.

I think all Level 1 and 2 Participants in the F-35 program should be allowed to build them themselves being as US is not active.

Personally, I think a better idea is to get the US player more active somehow...

Either that or get a new US player...

The Italian Government has not spent all that money on it to be unable to build or buy it because the US wont respond to them. Anyway anyone who has companies that have taken part in that major a way will be able to reverse engineer them very easily and still end up with a high-end product.

Personally, I think a better idea is to get the US player more active somehow...

Either that or get a new US player...

We DO need active US participation... whether No Taxes is that player... or we need a new one... I guess that's for Sel Appa to decide.

I'd like to sign up and play as Malaysia, if that's ok?

i don't know much about the technology, but I am tending to agree with Sel about the tech advance thingy...nations that havev no prior history with the technology would have to practically start from scratch, unless there is a cooperative deal with the nations, but still, I will say this about any kind of tech advance, THROWING MONEY AT THE PROBLEM WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY FASTER... you need scientists of good quality, the knowledge behind the technology, the facitilies, the materials, the industrial capabitily to sustain these things, and a good reason. Seeing as Australia has most of these things, I wouldn't mind it, except that 3 or 5 years is seemingly too short, as are many of his other programs...it's better to overshoot and get done early [reasonably] than to undershoot and end up extending the program...again, the way we're working on technology sounds like we're playing Civilization, where the more money we put into it makes it go faster...science works by experimentation and mistakes in RL, not by money...that said, money helps to buy alot of the stuff that you need [this goes hand-in-hand with the resource necessity...]. If Sel Appa could be more definitive on the technology thingy, that would be a lot better...

I do think Asbena is a bit tech happy. He's going into a lot of research that he just can't afford (all the money should be going to the war and occupation), and he's claiming breakthroughs and expecting returns in less than half the time it should take. Australia is not exactly at the forefront of technological advancement, and has only had a few major developments. They simply don't have the resources (money or personnel) to be a serious player there. Heck, most of their new tech was simply derived and improved from the work of others.

Really, I think the biggest bane of this RP is impatience. Too many people want too much too fast, and it's getting problematic. I'd also hoped to see a few more staying true to what their countries are rather than what they want them to be.


For new technologies, the major centers for technological advancement are Germany, France, the UK, the US, and Japan. Russia actually works best at improving existing technologies, and most other nations just buy from these ones, or at least latch onto their research. The few exceptions only come out with a few things, and usually not that revolutionary. The only big things that come to mind immediately are the Israli Blazer (ERA) and Australian Metalstorm. Neither of these are exactly huge advancements, even if they do prove quite useful.

i don't understand ehy everyoe is fighting with each other... if we make mistakes, deal with them. Let's not let this rp die just because someone is made at someone about some technology... if a lot of people are mad at it, then someone should just take it away and drop it... if people are ok with it and it's not God like, let them have it. I don't see why people are fighting over it and ruining the rp

Naktan, I'll reply to the thread once I come back from lunch.

[Questers] Malaysia is ok with me; talk to the guy Rping Singapore...

[Geneticon] I agree...Sel Appa is the final authority on the boot...

[Clan Smoke Jaguar] You're repeating me...I like that...

[East Lithuania] Would you invite the world to hold hands and sing Kumbaya? Cuz France would join you :)

[The Macabees] Ok

Heh, sorry, I can't really read through all 73 pages, but is his decision important in any way to the approval of me joining as Malaysia?

Heh, sorry, I can't really read through all 73 pages, but is his decision important in any way to the approval of me joining as Malaysia?

he's one of the mods... as am I.

But you cannot join as Malaysia right now... sorry. The admin stated that this RP is closed to new players for a little while, and we have to stand by that until he returns and says otherwise.

Naktan: Check breaking news on first page of this thread.

Heh, sorry, I can't really read through all 73 pages, but is his decision important in any way to the approval of me joining as Malaysia?
it's on the rules listed on the first post of the thread. no need to sift

It's weird all the mods at here at the same time.

I do think Asbena is a bit tech happy. He's going into a lot of research that he just can't afford (all the money should be going to the war and occupation), and he's claiming breakthroughs and expecting returns in less than half the time it should take. Australia is not exactly at the forefront of technological advancement, and has only had a few major developments. They simply don't have the resources (money or personnel) to be a serious player there. Heck, most of their new tech was simply derived and improved from the work of others.

Really, I think the biggest bane of this RP is impatience. Too many people want too much too fast, and it's getting problematic. I'd also hoped to see a few more staying true to what their countries are rather than what they want them to be.


For new technologies, the major centers for technological advancement are Germany, France, the UK, the US, and Japan. Russia actually works best at improving existing technologies, and most other nations just buy from these ones, or at least latch onto their research. The few exceptions only come out with a few things, and usually not that revolutionary. The only big things that come to mind immediately are the Israli Blazer (ERA) and Australian Metalstorm. Neither of these are exactly huge advancements, even if they do prove quite useful.

Israel is like Russia... they take US and other countries tech... and make it better! :cool:

It's weird all the mods at here at the same time.

We're all very devoted to this RPG... :)

Wait until my secert plan is revealed.

Wait until my secert plan is revealed.

Could it possibly be better than mine was? :)

Just messin' with you man. I'm sure it will be awesome.

You wait it will not be awesome for you or any of the mods.

You wait it will not be awesome for you or any of the mods.

....

:p

Be nice.

The end is nigh of all of you muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

he's one of the mods... as am I.

But you cannot join as Malaysia right now... sorry. The admin stated that this RP is closed to new players for a little while, and we have to stand by that until he returns and says otherwise.

Naktan: Check breaking news on first page of this thread.

I forgot...he said it couple posts ago, because of this war thingy...

TG Sel Appa and make certain that he knows that you want to join in, so he can waitlist you until we accept new players again...

[aie...headache still...]

Wait until my secert plan is revealed.

I don't like that tone...mischief is brewing...:eek:

Could it possibly be better than mine was? :)

Just messin' with you man. I'm sure it will be awesome.

you had a secret plan too? geez, how many people have secret plans to conquer the world?

No it's not to conquer the world you fool.

you had a secret plan too? geez, how many people have secret plans to conquer the world?

Mine wasn't to conquer the world... just to move the DotR.

I'm surprised we have secret plans...My plan is to survive this hellish mess and return the world to peace and order, while improving the Les Troisiemes Pays...France is being the big man with the big stick and the soft voice [I haven't whacked anyone yet...the closest I got was the name whom we should not say (IAN)...]. France will become a major world power by enforcing the world order and insuring that the security and stability of this world survives the reckless conquest/invasion/blah schemes...

I meant Singapore (not Naktan) but okay, i'll be back when its open.

I'm surprised we have secret plans...My plan is to survive this hellish mess and return the world to peace and order, while improving the Les Troisiemes Pays...France is being the big man with the big stick and the soft voice [I haven't whacked anyone yet...the closest I got was the name whom we should not say (IAN)...]. France will become a major world power by enforcing the world order and insuring that the security and stability of this world survives the reckless conquest/invasion/blah schemes...

Well... it's no fun unless you throw a little spice in... just a little.

But after this crisis... Israel will likely be a lot like France in this respect.

More spice: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472954

I'm surprised we have secret plans...My plan is to survive this hellish mess and return the world to peace and order, while improving the Les Troisiemes Pays...France is being the big man with the big stick and the soft voice [I haven't whacked anyone yet...the closest I got was the name whom we should not say (IAN)...]. France will become a major world power by enforcing the world order and insuring that the security and stability of this world survives the reckless conquest/invasion/blah schemes...

The more France moves out the weaker their central position becomes. Australia has already lost too much and won't risk a major war, our ship yards are barely coming online. I've lost over 2/3rds my fleet (civilian ones that were modded to fit Somalia) and Australia needs to work on rebuilding its economy after its dip. (War always makes the economy go up, but at the expense of the nation.)

Spain is Australia's biggest threat.

The more France moves out the weaker their central position becomes. Australia has already lost too much and won't risk a major war, our ship yards are barely coming online. I've lost over 2/3rds my fleet (civilian ones that were modded to fit Somalia) and Australia needs to work on rebuilding its economy after its dip. (War always makes the economy go up, but at the expense of the nation.)

Spain is Australia's biggest threat.

The difference between you and me is that I haven't even declared war yet or attempted to overthrow a region...

...And if you don't know it already, France boasts among the world's best foreign expeditionary forces in the world [the Foreign Legion]. They currently have hundreds of projects in Africa and Asia and the Pacific that are operating successfully. The central position may not be strong, but it is certainly firm...

I'm surprised at this... how is it that Spain... on of the most western countries in Europe... is enemy's... with AUSTRAILIA?!?! Why would Spain and Australia go to war? I'm shocked and confused

I'm surprised at this... how is it that Spain... on of the most western countries in Europe... is enemy's... with AUSTRAILIA?!?! Why would Spain and Australia go to war? I'm shocked and confused

There was a conflict in Djibouti over Australia's invasion of Somalia, which Spain vehemently opposes.

Ya...and now onto the issue with the Saudis....damn contract breakers! :o

Ya...and now onto the issue with the Saudis....damn contract breakers! :o

:p

The Saudis have enough problems with the DotR...

:p

The Saudis have enough problems with the DotR...

I came up with a five point system

1. Get them to restart contract with MORE for less. (we profit)
2. Get them on the contract with same
3. Move for UN action
4. Covert Ops
5. Total War

Now they don't know this OOCly. Though RL would usually stop at #2 at the latest.

The difference between you and me is that I haven't even declared war yet or attempted to overthrow a region...

...And if you don't know it already, France boasts among the world's best foreign expeditionary forces in the world [the Foreign Legion]. They currently have hundreds of projects in Africa and Asia and the Pacific that are operating successfully. The central position may not be strong, but it is certainly firm...

To be fair, and to my proud Spanish heritage, Spanish foreign legionairres in El Tercio brought the highest results out of any NATO country that send a contingent of ground troops to Bosnia and Herzegovina. :P

To be fair, and to my proud Spanish heritage, Spanish foreign legionairres in El Tercio brought the highest results out of any NATO country that send a contingent of ground troops to Bosnia and Herzegovina. :P

Wow, good work. Spain actually did do the best. Excellent leadership in containing us man :D

Yugoslavia's plan
2010-2030 fend off a large Polish Invasion, end it in a huge loss of life and materials
2014 defeat the rebels and Polish insurgents
2015 done rebuilding economy
2030 sign peace treaty with Poland
2060 laser weapons
2090 fend off an alien invasion while the rest of the earth is laughing at us
2095 hijack alien ship and go to the planet with a thermonuclear bomb and blow it up
3025 realize that The Balkans have been destroyed and go to the Planet with the hijacked ship and build Novaya Sarajevo as the capital
4000 find out that the planet is actually a meteor heading toward earth to destroy it
4013 ARRMEGEDON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In heaven everyone balmes Yugoslavia for everything (as usual)

DA END

To be fair, and to my proud Spanish heritage, Spanish foreign legionairres in El Tercio brought the highest results out of any NATO country that send a contingent of ground troops to Bosnia and Herzegovina. :P

I said among the best...I didn't say THE best...and if I did, sorry...

Heh, it was more of a boast on my part, and somewhat of a light comment - I didn't mean to actually contest anything. :)

Hello world...

THe world reawakens from its nightmare and sees the world just exactly as it was before the dream started...

to the mods and anyone interested, though it's ooc, duh:
I've decided to begin furthering encryption technology, inspired by communication between Denmark and Spain. This encryption technology will of course, only be available to NATO members :D

Also, Denmark is preparing to make covert moves into Algeria, by helping Spain attain control of Morocco. It intends to help make Morocco a safe nation, realizing that Spain will carry through with its ultimatum. To this end, it'll provide peacekeepers and a low number of special forces (if these are not doing anything in Algeria).

next elections for Denmark: 2014

Why is there no NATO thread?

Threads are fixed? What about the posts during the time they were down, deleted?

Threads are fixed? What about the posts during the time they were down, deleted?

Everything was returned to normal, IIRC. :)

Can the US entry be modified to Kyanges?

I'll have to post up a new and diplomacy thread soon.

Good questions...

Robert Othal of Australia is currently scouring the world for military hardware from as many countries as possible for his new video game 'Global War'. This rich aristocrat has the money and the power to purchase small arms and ability to give highly detailed, accurate captures of real-world units.

Any country that wishes to sell him arms is acceptable in Australia's eyes, but avoid selling this man vehicles and aircraft.

Robert Othal of Australia is currently scouring the world for military hardware from as many countries as possible for his new video game 'Global War'. This rich aristocrat has the money and the power to purchase small arms and ability to give highly detailed, accurate captures of real-world units.

Any country that wishes to sell him arms is acceptable in Australia's eyes, but avoid selling this man vehicles and aircraft.

Seeing as the trade embargo is still on, France must refuse this...

Seeing as the trade embargo is still on, France must refuse this...

On who? Huh?

On who? Huh?

You're in Somalia. Because of this, France, Denmark and a number of other countries have agreed to put you on economic sanctions.

If the resolution in the UN passes, most of the world will have an embargo on Australian goods.

What resolution now? There wasn't one there yesterday!

What resolution now? There wasn't one there yesterday!

I was wrong, that was against Italy.

If the resolution in the UN passes, most of the world will have an embargo on Australian goods.

The resolution already passed...

There's one on Italy now, which will terminate by 0000GMT tonight [so far 2-1 in favor]...

The resolution already passed...

There's one on Italy now, which will terminate by 0000GMT tonight [so far 2-1 in favor]...


Umm you guys? You have to specify what kind of sanction >.>

Umm you guys? You have to specify what kind of sanction >.>

2. Endorses sanctions of the said nations by any of the following methods:
a) diplomatic sanction,
b) military sanction,
c) ecocnomic sanction,
d) political and social sanctions;

2. Endorses sanctions of the said nations by any of the following methods:
a) diplomatic sanction,
b) military sanction,
c) ecocnomic sanction,
d) political and social sanctions;

That means nothing....essentially you can't pass that because no one has to follow it.

That means nothing....essentially you can't pass that because no one has to follow it.

Yes, the UN can pass it. Since each nation in the UN is sovereign from UN politics it wouldn't have to follow it anyways. This is merely suggesting that the UN allows and endorses any sanction on Australia through the listed means.

And Denmark choose to follow the route of economic sanctions (by making this official in the Denmark N/D thread). Naktan was informed of this decision.

Its a useless move and should be noted that essentially moot. Though the resolution is actually non-specific and simply can be completelyed ignored. Many people think the power of the UN is all-purpose, like Denmark said. When infact nothing specific exists on what 'military' is, nor is it covered. Usually they have specifics like arms, materials to make arms (listed then), import/export, or something.

Last time I checked you can't sanction the right to discuss matters in the UN. Political and social sanctions, wtf is this? Economic sanctions, how or what? This is just badly done (and I had no idea it existed). Even the Italy one is out of proper form and needs SPECIFICS. Let me cite a resolution:

Resolution 788 (1992) of 19 November 1992 imposed an arms embargo. Resolution 985 (1995) of 13 April 1995 established a Security Council sanctions committee. It was chaired in the beginning of 2006 by the Ambassador of Denmark, with the delegations of Japan and Qatar providing vice chairmen.

On 7 March 2001, the Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1343 (2001), by which it terminated the sanctions provisions of Resolution 788 and dissolved the sanctions committee. The resolution called for Liberia to cease support immediately for the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) of Sierra Leone and other armed groups in the region, by such steps as the expulsion of RUF members from Liberia and the cessation of financial and military support for the RUF. The Council decided that all States should prevent the sale or supply to Liberia of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment and spare parts. It also decided that States should prevent the provision to Liberia of any training or technical assistance related to such arms and related materiel.

Those measures went into effect with the passage of Resolution 1343. Under the terms of the resolution, additional sanctions measures went into effect at 00.01 Eastern Daylight Time on 7 May 2001. Those measures included a ban on the direct or indirect import of all rough diamonds from Liberia, and measures to prevent travel by senior members of the Government of Liberia or their spouses, as well as of any other individuals providing financial and military support to armed rebel groups in countries neighbouring Liberia.

In this case the specifics is really up to the nation that wants to enduce sanctions on Australia. This sanction is merely suggests the idea of sanctions and that it would endorse any sovereign government which wishes to produce some sort of sanctions platform on Canberra. There is nothing absolutely set in stone with this resolution, and that's the point of it. Denmark, France and Spain are currently embargoing Australian goods and refuse to sell to Australia. With the inclusion of Spain I can reassure you that if needed Portugal and Italy will soon accept the embargo as well. There's no doubt that countries such as India, Thailand and Singapore will follow, as well as Indonesia. Fortunately for you, your major import partners are the United States, Japan, China, Singapore, Germany and the United Kingdom. Most of these listed are inactive in the game.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html

That means nothing....essentially you can't pass that because no one has to follow it.

The UN cannot force any nation to do something against another nation...it can force nations to conform to international law, but it force other nations to enforce them...If the USA wanted to, they could support this resolution and choose to do nothing...France supported this resolution and is choosing to employ economic sanctions as a method to force Australia to comply with international law...

OOC: Fine...but I'm not a fan of broad statements, it essentially does nothing and is a worthless resolution, but do note that you have to say this is not a law. Seriously...the way you put things Mac is just horrible sometimes.

Its a useless move and should be noted that essentially moot. Though the resolution is actually non-specific and simply can be completelyed ignored. Many people think the power of the UN is all-purpose, like Denmark said. When infact nothing specific exists on what 'military' is, nor is it covered. Usually they have specifics like arms, materials to make arms (listed then), import/export, or something.

Last time I checked you can't sanction the right to discuss matters in the UN. Political and social sanctions, wtf is this? Economic sanctions, how or what? This is just badly done (and I had no idea it existed). Even the Italy one is out of proper form and needs SPECIFICS. Let me cite a resolution:

Political sanctions:
- press statements
- state visits
- refusal to acknowledge political entities in that country

Diplomatic sanctions:
- refusal to acknowledge the country's embassy
- termination of embassy exchange
- threats of action

Economic sanctions:
- trade embargos
- quarantines
- boycotts

Military sanctions:
- air raids
- armed invasion
- blockade of military accesses

OOC: Fine...but I'm not a fan of broad statements, it essentially does nothing and is a worthless resolution, but do note that you have to say this is not a law. Seriously...the way you put things Mac is just horrible sometimes.

a resolution is a statement on which the UN members resolve to act...it is not international law, although legally, it does set legal precedents...

International law is dealt with by the Vienna Conventions...

OOC: Fine...but I'm not a fan of broad statements, it essentially does nothing and is a worthless resolution, but do note that you have to say this is not a law. Seriously...the way you put things Mac is just horrible sometimes.

How so? No resolution the UN passes is a law, per se.

Umm your military sanction is wrong.

Typically this means to armed goods and production of materials specifically used in weapons. Air raids are not acceptable and is war. Sanctions are peaceful. Military invasion is also another that is unacceptable.

Also...selling of goods to a nation (of weapons) is also covered in military sanctions typically.

How so? No resolution the UN passes is a law, per se.

Let's just say your words make it seem as if everything we do is wrong and actions against us MUST be done. Specifically about Italy and some other incidents that OOC wording and lack of IC information was made before IC action was taken. *sigh*

Umm your military sanction is wrong.

Typically this means to armed goods and production of materials specifically used in weapons. Air raids are not acceptable and is war. Sanctions are peaceful. Military invasion is also another that is unacceptable.

Also...selling of goods to a nation (of weapons) is also covered in military sanctions typically.

What are you talking about? Really... the Spanish decision to declare war on Australia was based on an independent pledge to Djibouti, not based on the UN resolution... but Spain's decision to not interact in trade with Australia, whether civilian or military, is based on the UN resolution. Is this so difficult to understand?

What are you talking about? Really... the Spanish decision to declare war on Australia was based on an independent pledge to Djibouti, not based on the UN resolution... but Spain's decision to not interact in trade with Australia, whether civilian or military, is based on the UN resolution. Is this so difficult to understand?

Uh you don't get what I was talking about, forget it. Though a UN sanction is not an open declaration of invasion or air raids on a nation as Naktan said a military sanction is.

Spain's decision alone to declare was just that. You're ability to follow the resolution is fine, I was saying Naktan's term of a military sanction was wrong.

I wasn't aware you were responding to Naktan; I apologize.

I wasn't aware you were responding to Naktan; I apologize.

Its alright. Though a little more fairness and specific resolutions would not be too much to ask? Like for Italy's actions, I would recommend military sanctions of arms. Italy would be hampered by this and would think twice (or search other nations) for military hardware. Though one would not want to impose economic sanctions, the lashbacks of import/export cutoffs would be quite damaging to some economies and nations.

Uh you don't get what I was talking about, forget it. Though a UN sanction is not an open declaration of invasion or air raids on a nation as Naktan said a military sanction is.

Spain's decision alone to declare was just that. You're ability to follow the resolution is fine, I was saying Naktan's term of a military sanction was wrong.

Military sanctions

Similarly, military sanctions can range from carefully-targeted airborne assaults by bombers and military forces (such as Israel's 1981 bombing of Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor) to invasion and occupation. A less aggressive form of military sanctions could be the 15 year embargo on sales of F-16 fighter/bomber aircraft by the United States to Pakistan which ran from 1990 to 2005 in response to Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons[2]. (The latter is considered a military sanction, not an economic one.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_sanctions


Basically, a sanction is form of punishment to make nations conform to international standards and laws...

There's a loophole in that, however. Spain absolutely refuses to stop selling armaments to Italy, since Italy, for all intents and purposes, is one of Spain's largest allies in this RP. Meaning, anything that can't be bought through other European countries can be purchased off Spain, including the Eurofighter. Other than that, Italian arms are somewhat self-sufficient, including the Ariete MBT; although then again, Italy would have trouble scrapping spare parts for the Tunisian campaign, since many of the components of their weapons have to be bought from the rest of Europe.

Let's just say your words make it seem as if everything we do is wrong and actions against us MUST be done. Specifically about Italy and some other incidents that OOC wording and lack of IC information was made before IC action was taken. *sigh*

Which is the impression we desire to give to the world, and we seem to be succeeding in that regard.

Which is the impression we desire to give to the world, and we seem to be succeeding in that regard.

ICly I don't see your actions are right for what you think, Denmark isn't exactly concerned with Somalia or anything. Though your economic sanction doesn't apply to military (your loss as Australia doesn't even export/import from you)

ICly I don't see your actions are right for what you think, Denmark isn't exactly concerned with Somalia or anything. Though your economic sanction doesn't apply to military (your loss as Australia doesn't even export/import from you)

We are concerned that Australia has (in the eyes of Denmark) aggressively invaded Somalia without proper cause. And we said all trade (thus, incl. weapons trade). btw - this might be something for an IC thread. Meetings are still possible.

Just for the same reason, we are condemning Italy for their invasion of Tunisia.

I am not entirely sure why, but it seems as if there are good relations between Spain and Denmark :p

Sure Seathorn...though I wouldn't miss the economic oportunities that are ahead.

Sorry about not postibng anything the past few days, my freaking comp went down again. I'm going to kill the thing, I'm back to using my sisters old one.

OOC: SH, nice to see you, vote in the UN resolutions thread, theres one concerning one of your allies that needs stopping

WB Safehaven.

Naktan, that military strike? Weird, my site says that it is usually arms sanctions, not total warfare or airstrikes. Interesting. O.o

OOC: SH, nice to see you, vote in the UN resolutions thread, theres one concerning one of your allies that needs stopping

Don't do OOC crap...let him see IC info. This is how problems start. o.o;

Check the invasion of Tunisia part for Italy. (Its the only action that applies)

WB Safehaven.

Naktan, that military strike? Weird, my site says that it is usually arms sanctions, not total warfare or airstrikes. Interesting. O.o


"arms sanctions" isn't even a proper word; either arms embargo or military sanctions [which includes arms embargos]... that is an undisputeable fact, so unless you're willing to write to Oxford, stop pressing that point...

OOC- My internet connection was down all of last night and today, can someone tell me what happen ?

"arms sanctions" isn't even a proper word; either arms embargo or military sanctions [which includes arms embargos]... that is an undisputeable fact, so unless you're willing to write to Oxford, stop pressing that point...

Lol, embargo, oops. I am just saying I didn't know of that instance and that I was wrong. Well...I was wrong.

FYI to all, I'll be out for a long time [possibly after midnight GMT...] It's dinnertime and I've got some afterdinner meetings to attend, so it'll be late when I come back; I know that there are a lot of active threads out there that may [or not] need my replies... so to all of the active threads, continue to post things that have little substance in relation to France or Algeria [i.e. you don't need a reply - maybe a side conversation amongst yourselves...] Have fun while I'm out, I'll be back...

Your front page states your no longer accepting members, if this still in effect? I had heard you guys had a lot of inactive players. So I am just checking in to see what you guys have in 'stock' per say.

Your front page states your no longer accepting members, if this still in effect? I had heard you guys had a lot of inactive players. So I am just checking in to see what you guys have in 'stock' per say.

No, it's wide open.

Your front page states your no longer accepting members, if this still in effect? I had heard you guys had a lot of inactive players. So I am just checking in to see what you guys have in 'stock' per say.

There trying to get more "Active and older" members if i remember right, not accepting people 1 month old with 5 posts i think is what they were trying to do.

Cool. I have 400+ posts and I'm sure The Macabees know I RP decently. So here is my request to Sel Appa and the rest of the Administrative persons.

I'd like both Indonesia and Malasyia and I'd like to have a chance at least to forge the united, super-state of Indo-Malaya. If you would be so kind as to at least let me Roleplay this action taking place, which I will provide political, social, and cultural plots to ensure that at the very least its a fragile confederation. Though you must admit having a Third Regional Power in Asia wouldn't hurt the plot.

I await your reply.

Nothing to see here..
*waves his hand across the screen as a Jedi would* move along to the next post..

Move along..

Malaysia is the NPC for Singapore (New Dornelia) but Indonesia is open...though I warn you Australia isn't exactly friendly anymore...if your oppressive. ^-^;

Malaysia is the NPC for Singapore (New Dornelia) but Indonesia is open...though I warn you Australia isn't exactly friendly anymore...if your oppressive. ^-^;

Indonesia is taken, he just hasnt put up his N/D thread yet, but he is working on it.

Indonesia is taken, he just hasnt put up his N/D thread yet, but he is working on it.

Who's Indonesia then?

Who's Indonesia then?

Juumanistra.

EDIT: Nvm, he said Jagada can have it.

Eh, Jagada can have Indonesia. At least he has an idea to work with.

Almost the whole south asia is now PC controlled...interesting! BTW What is South Africa doing....something about a new government type or something in his thread...

So do I have a green-light to make my N/D thread? Or should I wait for Sel Appa least I suffer the wrath of an angry administrator?

So do I have a green-light to make my N/D thread? Or should I wait for Sel Appa least I suffer the wrath of an angry administrator?

Aye.

Aye.

Mac's right, you don't want to be the 2nd or 3rd person who goes ahead and does it. Sel doesn't like it much. :o

BTW...Anyone know what South Africa is up to!? X_X

Malaysia is the NPC for Singapore (New Dornelia) but Indonesia is open...though I warn you Australia isn't exactly friendly anymore...if your oppressive. ^-^;

Oh yeah...still thinking of a way to peacefully integrate them, since fighting is now verboten (and frankly, I wanna try a more peaceful approach, as well).

South Africa is introducing a common curency for his African community thing, whatever the name is. He's slowly unifying several African countries into a union - much like the European Union.

Oh yeah...still thinking of a way to peacefully integrate them, since fighting is now verboten (and frankly, I wanna try a more peaceful approach, as well).

Singapore doesn't exactly like Malaysia...why you think they are like that? Hmm... XD

I'd say Malaysia gets its ass kicked by Singapore with mercenaries/foreign help (Australian troops/USA troops) after a heated diplomatic breakdown and attacks on each other.

Asbena, did you responded to my Ultimatium, im going to say their are 4 hours left, and ill put up a new thread.

South Africa is introducing a common curency for his African community thing, whatever the name is. He's slowly unifying several African countries into a union - much like the European Union.

Can he really do all those nations? I thought the max NPC was 2.

No clue, I don't know the specifics.

Hey you can take all of Malasyia for all I can...so long as you leave me with part of it.

Hey you can take all of Malasyia for all I can...so long as you leave me with part of it.

All of Malaysia is under New Dornelia as an NPC.
You get Indonesia, you can have two NPCs of your own to.

I know, I know. I'm just saying, it is to my knowledge that he doesn't "offically" own Malasyia. Or did he outright invade it and conquor it? If so, then disregard my n00b post.

Whatever, get some Eurofighters and a squad of SU-47 fighters, they're the best on the market. Yugoslavia is perfecting their Orao-3 and it will come out in a couple of months, it's being redesigned to have swept wings and more missle payload (similar to the SU-47). So I'm doing alright with aircraft.

Guys, you do relise that the SU-47 is not menet to be a production fighter, its just a proof on concept? The whole PAK FA program is going to produce a fighter based ont he SU-47, but without the swpt wings. The best your going to get out of russia is the SU-37.

I know, I know. I'm just saying, it is to my knowledge that he doesn't "offically" own Malasyia. Or did he outright invade it and conquor it? If so, then disregard my n00b post.

Hasn't conquered it no, but Australia wouldn't be happy if you tried....and theirs a high chance Indonesia will become part of Australia if they DO try! ^-^

Hasn't conquered it no, but Australia wouldn't be happy if you tried....and theirs a high chance Indonesia will become part of Australia if they DO try! ^-^

Um, Indonesia's population is OVER 10 TIMES THAT OF AUSTRALIA !

True, but Australian technology and my population would simply result in another Korean War. Where I send millions up a hill guarded by only a few thousand--win nontheless but only come back down with about 10...

Singapore doesn't exactly like Malaysia...why you think they are like that? Hmm... XD

I'd say Malaysia gets its ass kicked by Singapore with mercenaries/foreign help (Australian troops/USA troops) after a heated diplomatic breakdown and attacks on each other.

I know that.

Two scenarios at this point:

1. A thing similar to what happened in Earth 1900-2000 with an alliance I was part of. A trial period to see if the Malaysians can be trusted is placed by the Straits League, and Malaysia is let in as a probationary member. Things are tense (and by tense I mean tense to the point of shouting and flamewars in sessions of the Confederation Council), but they stay cool long enough that the time passes, and Malaysia is let in as a partner in a tense, but for now, nonviolent relationship.

2. What Asbena described. Most likely spots are disputed areas on the Brunei-Malaysian border for beginnings of conflict, though Singapore itself may be the target of attacks.

Either way, since I'm trying to move out of war scenarios (Sel has been pretty angry about all the bloodshed so far), Option One will be tried.

True, but Australian technology and my population would simply result in another Korean War. Where I send millions up a hill guarded by only a few thousand--win nontheless but only come back down with about 10...

And don't forget-the United States could simply threaten Australia with economic sanctions. And since the USA is pretty big...

Um, Indonesia's population is OVER 10 TIMES THAT OF AUSTRALIA !

So....doesn't mean they'll win.

True, but Australian technology and my population would simply result in another Korean War. Where I send millions up a hill guarded by only a few thousand--win nontheless but only come back down with about 10...

The USA lifted the arms embargo after the tsunami. Since 2004/05 the United States entered in a military alliance with Jakarta.

True, but Australian technology and my population would simply result in another Korean War. Where I send millions up a hill guarded by only a few thousand--win nontheless but only come back down with about 10...

You'll be invaded and then deal with the ADWS to be kept in check. Our troops are good and powerful.

ND....If he attacked Malaysia/Singapore...Singapore is an ally of the USA, they couldn't say "Oh no! Don't fight Indonesia, even though Singapore is our ally, don't attack him!"

ND....If he attacked Malaysia/Singapore...Singapore is an ally of the USA, they couldn't say "Oh no! Don't fight Indonesia, even though Singapore is our ally, don't attack him!"

What? :confused: When did I say that?

OOC: If Indonesia attacks you, we'll strike back...happy?

OOC: If Indonesia attacks you, we'll strike back...happy?

Fine, but right now, we're tense/neutral to Indonesia. In RL, Singapore's actually helping them clean up damage STILL leftover from the tsunami.

Fine, but right now, we're tense/neutral to Indonesia. In RL, Singapore's actually helping them clean up damage STILL leftover from the tsunami.

Well...5 years can change alot.

I have an issue to raise about the Israeli move with the Dome.

Realistically the second Israel touched the Dome there would be widespread worldwide demonstrations against Israel. There would be a disgusting amount of terrorist actions against Jews worldwide, a huge amount, more than anything in real. In places like France(Just an example), hate crimes would skyrocket. Egypt and Jordan(The only two Arab nations with relations with Israel) would be forced to cut those relations immediatly, that or the government would be toppled in which case the relations would get cut anyway. MOST likely the neighboring Arab nations would mobilize, especially Syria with Egypt following. Jordan would be reluctant to do so and probaly wouldn't but Jordan would be forced to take a hardline against Israel by its people. Israel is going to have to close its borders unless it wants the terrorist attacks going on worldwide against jews to happen in Israel, and even that won't stop everything. From Lebanon and the Golan heights there would be daily rocket, mortar and artillery attacks on Israeli towns, Hezbollah would have a field day.

Realistically there should be HUGE, worldwide repreccusions for what Israel is doing, and they should be played out.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472858 <-- New Zealand D/N thread to add to the index

I have an issue to raise about the Israeli move with the Dome.

Realistically the second Israel touched the Dome there would be widespread worldwide demonstrations against Israel. There would be a disgusting amount of terrorist actions against Jews worldwide, a huge amount, more than anything in real. In places like France(Just an example), hate crimes would skyrocket. Egypt and Jordan(The only two Arab nations with relations with Israel) would be forced to cut those relations immediatly, that or the government would be toppled in which case the relations would get cut anyway. MOST likely the neighboring Arab nations would mobilize, especially Syria with Egypt following. Jordan would be reluctant to do so and probaly wouldn't but Jordan would be forced to take a hardline against Israel by its people. Israel is going to have to close its borders unless it wants the terrorist attacks going on worldwide against jews to happen in Israel, and even that won't stop everything. From Lebanon and the Golan heights there would be daily rocket, mortar and artillery attacks on Israeli towns, Hezbollah would have a field day.

Realistically there should be HUGE, worldwide repreccusions for what Israel is doing, and they should be played out.

They will be....XD

There sure will... but wait until they realize all of their governments support it.

And you need to pay a little more attention... Israel closed it's borders before any of this started.

As for Lebanon... they already attacked a few days ago... and as I NPC them, Israel is about to move in and bring order.

Please try and keep up with what is going on. I realize that things are going to happen, but I have already accounted for most of it.

There sure will... but wait until they realize all of their governments support it.

And you need to pay a little more attention... Israel closed it's borders before any of this started.

As for Lebanon... they already attacked a few days ago... and as I NPC them, Israel is about to move in and bring order.

Please try and keep up with what is going on. I realize that things are going to happen, but I have already accounted for most of it.

Saudi Arabia is also pretty busy in Yemen, and I have 75% of my Navy in the Red Sea. We can even strike the Dome of the Rock from our Missile Frigates probably. So Israel is pretty ready...

Saudi Arabia is also pretty busy in Yemen, and I have 75% of my Navy in the Red Sea. We can even strike the Dome of the Rock from our Missile Frigates probably. So Israel is pretty ready...


That is why i have 62 F-15E's armed with Harpoon missiles waiting to attack it. Anyway Yemen's military is porus at max, and the whole campaign should be over shortly.

That is why i have 62 F-15E's armed with Harpoon missiles waiting to attack it. Anyway Yemen's military is porus at max, and the whole campaign should be over shortly.

You said border conflict, not war. War takes alot more then that, espically if you are conquering a nation. Though...you do realize attacking them = total war on Australia?

France never agreed to the destruction of the Dome, so lay hands off it...

If the Muslim nations oppose the movement of the Dome, France will not support it either, so Israel, you'd better be sure that you've got permission from them [especially Saudi Arabia, since that is the movement location...]. Otherwise, you're in a mess that we won't get into...

That is why i have 62 F-15E's armed with Harpoon missiles waiting to attack it. Anyway Yemen's military is porus at max, and the whole campaign should be over shortly.

Saudi Arabia is invading Yemen for what reason?

You said border conflict, not war. War takes alot more then that, espically if you are conquering a nation. Though...you do realize attacking them = total war on Australia?

Do you relize size wise, and pop wise, Saudi Arabia and Australia are about equal(My military is also about as capable as yours also, not to mentention probably better equipped) ? War with me is not a breeze such as Somalia, and the US will likely move to defened me when you lift a finger, anywho.

You said border conflict, not war. War takes alot more then that, espically if you are conquering a nation. Though...you do realize attacking them = total war on Australia?

That's very frightening, considering that Australia's military SHOULD be maxed out logistically right now...after invading and still occupying a nation that begs for freedom, you should be concerned about consolidating your position if your true intent is to conquer, because France won't tolerate it for much longer...

Saudi Arabia have no reason I think...it was to gain land I thought. So we been on tensions with them ever since the contract was broken. Australia is secretly backing Yemen, but we need someone to RP Yemen.

Saudi Arabia have no reason I think...it was to gain land I thought. So we been on tensions with them ever since the contract was broken. Australia is secretly backing Yemen, but we need someone to RP Yemen.

If Saudi Arabia intends to conquer, France will reply accordingly...

Wait...didn't we just get off of a potential flashpoint?

I'd take yemen, but im already in control of Taiwan.. and Sel closed the RPG to new members

That's very frightening, considering that Australia's military SHOULD be maxed out logistically right now...after invading and still occupying a nation that begs for freedom, you should be concerned about consolidating your position if your true intent is to conquer, because France won't tolerate it for much longer...

We'll have to go to the limits (and that means again securing civilian ships and the captured ships from Somalia to push Saudi Arabia out of Yemen). Saudi Arabia also is increasingly violent, we have no choice in the matter. Also the USA would have something to say about this...even breaking an oil contract (which I am going to bring up) is cause for tensions to rise.

I'd take yemen, but im already in control of Taiwan.. and Sel closed the RPG to new members

No...not TAKE Yemen. RP as Yemen.

We'll have to go to the limits (and that means again securing civilian ships and the captured ships from Somalia to push Saudi Arabia out of Yemen). Saudi Arabia also is increasingly violent, we have no choice in the matter. Also the USA would have something to say about this...even breaking an oil contract (which I am going to bring up) is cause for tensions to rise.

Um, the USA is SA's closest ally, and the Conflict with yemen is nearly on the same lines as the 1998 border war(IE: SA Armor pushing in 85% of Yemen)

Asbena check Australian forum plz

No...not TAKE Yemen. RP as Yemen. Thats what I meant, sorry for the bad wording.

Thats what I meant, sorry for the bad wording.

You can NPC Yemen, if you'd like... you can take 2 NPCs...

what exactly can you do with npcs?

Um, the USA is SA's closest ally, and the Conflict with yemen is nearly on the same lines as the 1998 border war(IE: SA Armor pushing in 85% of Yemen)

May be your closest ally, but you attack Australian troops and invade Yemen and start up a whole lot of problems, Australia will back up America on taking your butt out for low low cost oil and peace in the middle east!

My personal favorite SIC...

Secret IC:

This would honestly be more helpful if the other EU nations were willing to give us support...but France will not make any open declarations until the deed is done. If the CIS is this giant conglomerate of Russia/China combined in one state, we will not allow it; by any means, we will fight it [and being French, probably lose too...].

And we know that you're lookinig at this, Russian FSB agent [pulls him aside and slits his throat...].

Sorry for the interruption. Spies are a hard thing to get by...

We sincerely hope that the United States will consider gathering international consensus against the CIS, considering that it is in no one's interest to leave such a powerful state to topple the balance [while we hold firm to the belief that power may shift to Asia in the near future, we vehemently oppose its radical shift in foundational structure of the world]. As of a result of these proceedings, we will encourage our EU allies not to offer concessions of trade and military vehicles to China or any EAP and CIS nation until this has resolved.

The reply:

"Agent 0018 Kharsikov?"
{pause}
"Kharsikov? Do you copy."
{pause}
"KHARSIKOV!"

"Sir, a report cam in that he's been killed, possibly by a street gang or drug cartel."

"Oh well. There is always another to take his place."

what exactly can you do with npcs?

you can run a completely different country...make them allies, make them enemies [that's more exciting...], make them care less about you...just please, don't annex them, because that's not NPC anymore...if you want to unify a certain region or people into a coalition state or even in a federation, talk to Sel about it... nothing unrealistic either...

Ill take Yemen as a NPC and roleplay this event i guess...

Ill take Yemen as a NPC and roleplay this event i guess...

It can get bloody really quickly >.>

Whats that supposed to mean?

Whats that supposed to mean?

dude your takeing on a nation thats about to be overrun by SA... by bloody, he means if you do rp Yemen, and remember you absolutly can theres no problem, but I wouldn't do it since as soon as you post your gonmna get attacked

Whats that supposed to mean?

OOC: Yemen is already being invaded by Saudi Arabia!

lol asbena, anyhow... good luck with yemen :p

ok then, ill get Yemen as an NPC... dont attack me till its approved :)

ok then, ill get Yemen as an NPC... dont attack me till its approved :)

We were asking if you could take it and RP it with Saudi Arabia (it won't count as YOUR npc, but you can RP a war without any lashbacks on yourself) for the RP.

same thing, my purpose is to roleplay it with the invasion. By the time someone attacks me ill probably be asleep IRL :p

umm... Im currently controling Yemen as an NPC....

Its not in the nations list... if so, then you can roleplay the Saudi Arabia thing.

umm... Im currently controling Yemen as an NPC....

Not that he can do anything with it, but wouldn't you like to have someone RP with you?

Not that he can do anything with it, but wouldn't you like to have someone RP with you?

Yes, but i know how i want it to go :P, sure you can take it, just dont expect a great savior to overrun SA and fight to the death.(The majority of Yemens military equipment is from 1960's russia)

Yes, but i know how i want it to go :P, sure you can take it, just dont expect a great savior to overrun SA and fight to the death.(The majority of Yemens military equipment is from 1960's russia)

True...but still can fight.

so whos going to roleplay Yemen for this?

perhaps if a nation helped yemen and proveded air support and bombed troops/supplies Yemen would have a chance.

If i dont lern in a minute, ill learn tomorro cause i have to get off the computer now.