NationStates Jolt Archive

lol Agreed I stayed out of Albania because I didnt want to start war with Russia now it's coming back to haunt me. lol Thats the world I guess.

If only you hadn't withdrawn from NATO, maybe France could still help you... :)

Oh well, there's still the EU...

If only you hadn't withdrawn from NATO, maybe France could still help you... :)

Oh well, there's still the EU...

Considering Russia is also a partner state in NATO (though not an official member), the same stance that Albania had in the NATO, if they are to attack Greece I think that they too porbably must take legal action to avoid breaking international laws.

As for the EU, I beleive the EU would hold nations togethor closer than any NATO pact. Member sof the EU would almost be required to give military aide to any country in need seeing as their Economy is technically shared amongst themselves.

Nice, brand new maps featuring the world and its three blocs are now available! I still have to add in Kurdistan though and I may have made a few errors, but this new map is godly! All hail wikipedia for having it...and Toops for posting the map. :)

Also, I am going to start a CIS Thread. No Taxes can start an ALN thread and whoever wants to can make an EU thread. They would be for discussing bloc-related things.

If you are inactive for more than a week without an explanation, your nation is open to be invaded by another member as they wish. If no one does this by the second week, your nation is open only for non-members to take.


The Nations of Italy and the UK have been inactive almost this long are we permitted to invade them or give them away to non-members? One person wanted to be Italy but as I see it we might as well let him.

The Nations of Italy and the UK have been inactive almost this long are we permitted to invade them or give them away to non-members? One person wanted to be Italy but as I see it we might as well let him.
I think I might give ITaly to them because the person who signed up for it is the founder of my NS region and she is very busy with college. I'll ask her. The UK will probably just be opened up to non-members. I'll re-TG everyone else who hasn't given a DN thread.

CIS Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470294)

Likely good night to all...I probably won't be back until tomorrow. Also, create your own bloc threads. :)

EDIT: Just a a hint at tomorrow's(RL) events: The Chechens will attack somewhere in Russia. It will likely be a hostage thing again, but bigger than Beslan. I haven't decided precisely what yet. (Don't suggest anything, my ideas only) This may be another spark that will lead to WW3...considering who Russia will believe is funding the Chechens...

This may be another spark that will lead to WW3...considering who Russia will believe is funding the Chechens...
... probably Albania.. :cool:

The EU thread is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10477993#post10477993

Here's the ALN thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10478105#post10478105

this is denmarks thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10479998#post10479998

Denmark is intrested in selling greenland for a lot of money would anyone like to buy it from us.

Can I take Brazil?

Denmark is intrested in selling greenland for a lot of money would anyone like to buy it from us.

Could you give a reason why?

Also is this a land lease or a proper I own this land thing?

And lastly, would the Greenland population agree to this sale?

Can I take Brazil?

Sel Appa isn't here right now, but as long as you're reasonable, he'll take ya ;)

read the first post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10388253&postcount=1), and follow the instructions on how to create a thread for your country and be friendly, be grammatically correct, and be within reasonable limits of your country's policy.

I am France, and we certainly look forward to your cooperation in the new world age! :)

No Taxes is the USA, so contact him if you want to join the ALN. See the thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10478105#post10478105)for more info.

this would be a proper land deal and the greenland population would definitly agree to it but if you would like to make sure you can hold a vote there i would have no problem with that.

Canada might be intersted, whats the price?

well intsted of money we would like to control all major ports in canada or most of them.

Isle of Man?

I'm taking Quebec...i'll have a factbook up soon.

Sel, check your Russia thread please.

To: Denmark's Prime Minister
From: Australia's Prime Minister

Australia would be glad to take Greenland from you, we ask that you consider diplomatic, economic and even military bonuses granted to Denmark for selling Greenland (which is a wonderful place for alternative energy sources to us). Please telegram ambassador Aramaki if you are interested in selling Greenland and what Denmark seeks to obtain from it, we'll be happy to offer generously for it.

[FYI: Europen Union is IAN...don't deal with him...]

[FYI: Europen Union is IAN...don't deal with him...]
Indeed, Europen Union is hereby banned of the same terms as IAN was.

Can I take Brazil?
Ok, make a D/N thread.
I'm taking Quebec...i'll have a factbook up soon.
Ok, but I'm not sure if it is available yet.
Sel, check your Russia thread please.
Ok.

Can I take Brazil?
Ok, make a D/N thread.
I'm taking Quebec...i'll have a factbook up soon.
Ok, but I'm not sure if it is available yet.
Sel, check your Russia thread please.
Ok.

Canada has granted autonomy to Quebec (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469964)

[ooc: methinks hes gone IAN hunting...]

Canada has granted autonomy to Quebec (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469964)

[ooc: methinks hes gone IAN hunting...]
This is ooc...who went IAN hunting?

This is ooc...who went IAN hunting?

Canada [Toops]

[ooc: IAN, as Europen Union, offered to sell Greenland to Canada...not to mention he started to build up a military in Denmark rather quickly and against policy...and as payment, he demanded that Canada cede all of their ports to Denmark for Greenland...funny somewhat but all the more annoying, cause Canada wanted to buy Greenland...]

hmmm? Oh that, that was a subtle reference to the national passtime in Canada (hunting) besides, I already autherised the transaction of power in Quebec to NM.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470366

News and Diplo

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470376
Venezualan-Brazilan Border Clashes

Well Greenland is de facto independent, I think and they should become fully independent soon. There is little for Denmark there, unless they strike oil. This is real-world I'm talking about. This topic can technically be used by us to discuss politics, history,...if we want.

Kurdistan is having elections soon. Please see the Kurdistan DN thread. Also, I will be posting the Chechen strike soon.

Oh...darn it. thought he was real! X-X

I'm very sorry, but I don't have the time to continue in this RP due to RL time constraints. I'm going to have to gracefully bow out and say thank you to you all for accepting me in the first place. Consider Norway up for grabs. Thanks guys.

I'm very sorry, but I don't have the time to continue in this RP due to RL time constraints. I'm going to have to gracefully bow out and say thank you to you all for accepting me in the first place. Consider Norway up for grabs. Thanks guys.
Resignation accepted. Good luck with whatever you have in real life. What to do with Norway now...

EDIT: CIA Factbook link added to main page.

I claim that Norway is cursed....because of IAN. It sure seems to be that way...

Hmm...I'd like to take Iran.

lol... I would bet it is cursed.

And Idk about letting someone be Iran, that sounds like asking for a nuclear war.

How about taking the newly founded Kurdistan instead?

Does Australia have nukes? I think we do...but if we don't....eat napalm.

;) Israel has lots of Napalm

lol... I would bet it is cursed.

And Idk about letting someone be Iran, that sounds like asking for a nuclear war.

How about taking the newly founded Kurdistan instead?
Kurdistan is my NPC. Any member can have up to two NPCs. He could write a democratic revolution in Iran. Also, please everyone check out the Chechen attack.

Kurdistan is my NPC. Any member can have up to two NPCs. He could write a democratic revolution in Iran. Also, please everyone check out the Chechen attack.


SO can I have Iran?

Can we REALLY hold out about giving away these nations, for political balance in the world unless a SERIOUS / Good RPer wants them (with a good background).

Saudi Arabia (Massive oil....slight terrorist problem...holds world by throat for oil)
Libya (Do I even need to say why?)
Iran (Ya...this one to)
Iraq (Only under a good REPAIRING Rper (which I would like to do) otherwise self-explainatory)
Pakistan (another... )

Yep... all those nations are huge threats to me.

I can pull up a host of Rp's to show the kind of rper I am if needed.

I can pull up a host of Rp's to show the kind of rper I am if needed.

I don't doubt your experience, you have been on for a considerbly longer time then me, but the thing is, can you be delicate about matters? If someone starts causing problems in it, this can easily lead to massive wars and possibly WWIII. The middle east is such a hot bed (and it always has) for problems because so much of our resources come from it and cutting the supply or increasing price (hell even lowering it for some nations) will cause a BIG international crisis and will pit allies against each other that are highly dependent on oil. (Namely the US, which focuses a massive power stretch.)

I know a thing or two about the MIddle East, my father fought for the Christian militia during the civil war before his parents were killed and he had to move out of country. I've been to the Middle East multple times and havea very, very large family there, I know how delicate things are, trust me.

Yep... it's all I can handle to maintain peace in the Middle East right now as it is.

I can believe that, and trust me I'd rp Iran realistically.

Sure, just remember even my nation won't play 'peacefully' you'll get alot of my businesses and stuff trying to win you over ALL the time for things, offering great stuff, but if it gets leaked out...big problem. Delicate as a flower is how the middle east is. Can't close up shop and can't change prices.

So..Do I get the spot?

In fact, most of my conferences and summits are top secret. Nearly every public broadcast is from a secret location. My PM's life is in danger...

And this is when it's peaceful... :p

In fact, most of my conferences and summits are top secret. Nearly every public broadcast is from a secret location. My PM's life is in danger...

And this is when it's peaceful... :p

Yikes. X_X

Sel Appa? We allowed to invade non-player controlled nations?

Yikes. X_X

Sel Appa? We allowed to invade non-player controlled nations?
Yes, but the world may not be too happy about an unjust invasion.

EDIT: SafeHaven2, you can have Iran. Maybe you could make it into a democracy somehow. It would likely be through a revolution aided by the US or something. Or you could wait for Kurdistan to have its election and they could push Iran for democracy.

Nm, ok thanks. I'll get started on setting Iran up.

There were some concerns about the CIS and Russia becoming too powerful. Because of this, I had several nations leave the CIS and form as the Islamic Federation. Please see the CIS thread for more info. I will be creating an Islamic Federation thread, that will be an NPC until someone wants it.

Geneticon, please go to my Russia thread and offer help with the terrorists. Sending experts or something.

Lol ya, i was posting while you edited so I missed it.

I doubt anyone would be upset for fixing Africa and making it Westernized. Fix plenty of those horrid little governments which are fighting endlessly. Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Togo, Benin, Malawi, Sudan to name a few.

Can we make up some proproganda to make it look like we are saving people? Drum up some fake 'research' and say that Africa is in dire need of help and start a 'crusade' to wipe out HIV and Aids and starvation in Africa by brute force. Though it will destroy the governments and put them under Australian control to make the 'increase in living'.

I doubt any nation would in particular care...as long as its not in the media. :)

Russian humanitarian forces are already involved in distributing cheap food and agricultural help to boost the local economies in hope they will get back on their feet. No combat troops are there, only humanitarian.

In over half of Africa? O.o

Can anyone tell me whats the situation in Iraq? I read somewhere that America pulled out? If so what year was that and whats it looing like in Iraq now?

We started at 2007. Consider America pulled out and your on your own with a democratic government, but consider high resistance to it still.

We have programs in Ethipia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, and Nigeria. Once those are finished, we will move elsewhere.

We started at 2007. Consider America pulled out and your on your own with a democratic government, but consider high resistance to it still.

I'm Iran, not Iraq, but I need to know when America pulled out and if anyone has paid attention to Iraq since? And what the state of Iraq was when America pulled out? Iraq's my neighbor, got to know whats going on there.

Iraq is mostly stable and northern Kurdistan has left it. Also, Iran's part of Kudistan left. They formed Kurdistan, now a trade ally of yours. You might want to have the Ayatollah die and replaced by a liberal Ayatollah and a aliberal president replaces Ahmadinejad. they both agree to allow free elections with a ceremonial Ayatollah...a constitutional Islamic republic...?

EDIT: I posted in my thread about Russia's plan for alternative fuels: sugarbeets(ethanol) and fusion.

Can anyone tell me whats the situation in Iraq? I read somewhere that America pulled out? If so what year was that and whats it looing like in Iraq now?

Umm...you asked about Iraq, not Iran. :)

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Australia is leading the way in oil production with the creation of new factories that will MAKE crude oil for use. Australia is wishing to extend a rather unusual trade proposition to ALL nations. Australia wishes to buy from nation's, specifically their garbage and they will even ship it themselves to Australia for refining.

This UNIQUE opportunity is being used as a catalysis for a new market of trade in a new century.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10460763#post10460763

OOC: This is open in the thread posted...just so as to not clutter this one. Ask about it, cause I didn't list it there.

Iraq is mostly stable and northern Kurdistan has left it. Also, Iran's part of Kudistan left. They formed Kurdistan, now a trade ally of yours. You might want to have the Ayatollah die and replaced by a liberal Ayatollah and a aliberal president replaces Ahmadinejad. they both agree to allow free elections with a ceremonial Ayatollah...a constitutional Islamic republic...?

EDIT: I posted in my thread about Russia's plan for alternative fuels: sugarbeets(ethanol) and fusion.

I'm going to stick with Iran's current government. What year did America pull out? And who's in charge, a Sunni or Shiite? Hmmph, Kurdistan....

I'm going to stick with Iran's current government. What year did America pull out? And who's in charge, a Sunni or Shiite? Hmmph, Kurdistan....
Uh, shiite(most likely) with a shia majority in parliament. They have worked a deal with the Sunnis for fair treatment.

<<<TO ALL WHO SEE THIS POST>>>

This RP needs good, experienced players who are willing to play their countries in the proper position as the world is in the present [i.e. Indonesia will not be going to war with Scotland, because Scotland isn't even a country, but they won't have a war because it's not reasonable anyway...Turkey and Greece, slightly more reasonable, but you'd have to work out the intracacies of it...]

We furthermore would like more European nations to join in this thread...

I'm a native Yugoslavian and I would like to play as Yugoslavia. I just have one question, you know how Yugoslavia split up in the 90's, can I play as Yugoslavia as a whole, as it was in the 80's. Since it is in the future, can we say that the racial and ethical problems were sloved, but the country is in economic turmoil, and it's only held up by it's left-wing prime minister.

If I can be Yugoslavia, I will make sure to improve the economy and everything, then I can start to make treaties and foreign relations. In my opinion, for someone to have Yugoslavia all reunited with NO PROBLEMS AT ALL would be gay godmodding, and completley bad RP-ing.

Thanks

-The Andromedan

Oh, and I am a reasonably experienced RP-er, I was in Earth 2, space campaigns, Corridian Campaigns and Rise of Empires.

I am also very knowledgable in all forms of Yugoslavian government, military, society and history for obvious reasons.

I'm a native Yugoslavian and I would like to play as Yugoslavia. I just have one question, you know how Yugoslavia split up in the 90's, can I play as Yugoslavia as a whole, as it was in the 80's. Since it is in the future, can we say that the racial and ethical problems were sloved, but the country is in economic turmoil, and it's only held up by it's left-wing prime minister.

If I can be Yugoslavia, I will make sure to improve the economy and everything, then I can start to make treaties and foreign relations. In my opinion, for someone to have Yugoslavia all reunited with NO PROBLEMS AT ALL would be gay godmodding, and completley bad RP-ing.

Thanks

-The Andromedan


In my opinion, it is possible...

After years of tiring and exhaustive infighting among the ethnicities, the peoples of Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Macedonia, Serbia Montenegro, and Slovenia held plebiscite elections to determine whether it would be better to exist in a unified country and have one person solve all the problems [such a person does come to preeminence]. And undder UN moderated elections, the people decide to unify into Yugoslavia under one flag, one nation, one leader.

Just a thought...[and just because you'd have the consensus of the people doesn't mean you'll still have problems. Tito didn't have a smooth ride in the command of Yugoslavia, so I'd imagine that your first leaders would have equally harder time if not harder...]

Military annexation would be out of the question, since NATO is around and wouldn't allow armed conquest...

other than that, I'd figure you should check with Sel Appa.

Great, I really liked the intro, it's good to hear that people know much about Yugoslavia. I kind of did a rough estimate of how many troops we would have, and the entire military would be acting as the police force, so it would be about 5,424,342 men total.

And the economy is desperatley trying to organize it's labor unions and businesses to cooperate. The business is most likley becoming prime investment because of Croatia and Slovenia's large information technology, micro-proccessor manufacturing sectors, with companies such as Samsung, Seimens, GE and AMD looking for real-estate for their European market. The jobs will skyrocket if the military can keep the current anachic waves from spreading. The car company Citroean is monopolizing on the fact that it just bought Serbian car company Yugo, but is in close competition with Skoda, the Slovenian car company very popular in England and Germany.

As far as food goes, over 78% of the workforce in Bosnia has something to do with agriculture and farming, and the fishing empires in the Adriatic are dominates by Croatian fishermen.

Trading will be the prime way for Yugoslavia's wealth. Oil tankers are constanley being made slod to American and Canadian companies. English navies buy a steady stream of crusiers for the Croatian docks (funny how the Croatian navy is so weak, I hate irony). And American defense companies are buying docks and dotting the coasts with naval yards building new aircraft carriers.

Remember, only a small amount of this potential workforce is actually employed. Once the rebellions and anachric groups are contained, people can once again go out and find jobs. I request UN help for this rebellion. My guess is, within 3 months, Yugoslavia can begin to fill these jobs making the economy a growing powerhouse, and then come elections, after that the icing has been put on the cake and is ready to serve.

This is the Yugoslavia thread, seeing as everyone else made one, I didn't want to miss out on someting.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10484235#post10484235

I encourage people to post on there, for it will be like an embassy. It will also display my plans for Yugoslavia and declarations of war.

You are good to go as long as you put them together. I was actually thinking about reuniting them, but I was caught up in other things. Just a note though is that Slovenia is in the EU, while B&H, S&M, and Croatia are in the CIS. The CIS and EU are in a mild conflict. Perhaps you could unite and join the CIS, which has the goal of a Slavic union...with some Asians.

You know what would be cool: If we finished this RP off at the end with a united world formed by the socioeconomic unions joining together.

You know what would be cool: If we finished this RP off at the end with a united world formed by the socioeconomic unions joining together.

*pokes lazily with toes* Check your Russia thread. Trying to buy your "Army surplus" stuff. >_>

You are good to go as long as you put them together. I was actually thinking about reuniting them, but I was caught up in other things. Just a note though is that Slovenia is in the EU, while B&H, S&M, and Croatia are in the CIS. The CIS and EU are in a mild conflict. Perhaps you could unite and join the CIS, which has the goal of a Slavic union...with some Asians.

Slovenia is indeed in the EU...my mistake

You know what would be cool: If we finished this RP off at the end with a united world formed by the socioeconomic unions joining together.


I got my own plan but hay I woudl like to be a minor power before I being to enact it, plus a major war would be nice to give it a nice kick start.

Not before I build my Coorperate South American Empire!!!

Ummmm.........I mean.....Right-winged economicly advantaged republic.

If there are still places, could a non-Muslim (Me) have control of Pakistan?

Debate has begun on two proposals in the UN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10486588#post10486588)

-the case of genocide in Darfur
-the Brazil-Venezuelan Conflict [UNSC only]

We encourage all nations to take part in debate and voice their opinions.

-France

Can I be the United Kingdom? That guy who's playing "Britain" obviously doesn't know about Northern Island! And he's new, whilst I'm experienced and can provide an in depth knowledge of the UK's Armed Forces, especially as regards to the future of them. Upon confirmation I will start a thread right away.

Hi has Ireland been taken? If not I'd like to be Ireland...
I've always been interested in the EU so this thread holds the perfect opportunity to RP as a memberstate.

Unfortunately, some personal problems prevent me from taking part in the RP for this weekend and pissibly the next week, but not permanantly. I name Naktan to be my temporary successor. You can admit people who want to join as long as they are legit and want an available nation. When I return, I will update everything. I'm sorry for the problems this may cause.

To all: If you need Russia in your RP, you can RP some of it, but not much. Only what is really really necessary. Otherwise, pretend we went iso for ahile. Hopefully, I will be able to return sooner than I think I will.

Unfortunately, some personal problems prevent me from taking part in the RP for this weekend and pissibly the next week, but not permanantly. I name Naktan to be my temporary successor. You can admit people who want to join as long as they are legit and want an available nation. When I return, I will update everything. I'm sorry for the problems this may cause.

To all: If you need Russia in your RP, you can RP some of it, but not much. Only what is really really necessary. Otherwise, pretend we went iso for ahile. Hopefully, I will be able to return sooner than I think I will.

Ok Sel... hope all is well... and I look forward to seeing either next week or the week after. :)

OOC: Hopefully I can export my oil I produced....can I?

IC:

Australian ships have been seen leaving military ports headed for the west. There is no current information on what they are doing or why, but they appear to be headed to Africa.

Unfortunately, some personal problems prevent me from taking part in the RP for this weekend and pissibly the next week, but not permanantly. I name Naktan to be my temporary successor. You can admit people who want to join as long as they are legit and want an available nation. When I return, I will update everything. I'm sorry for the problems this may cause.

To all: If you need Russia in your RP, you can RP some of it, but not much. Only what is really really necessary. Otherwise, pretend we went iso for ahile. Hopefully, I will be able to return sooner than I think I will.

Duly noted... :p

Hi has Ireland been taken? If not I'd like to be Ireland...
I've always been interested in the EU so this thread holds the perfect opportunity to RP as a memberstate.

On the behalf of Sel Appa, you can join this thread...

Be sure you post a separate thread that contains your country's info...

Read all of the rules set forth by Sel Appa in the first post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10388253&postcount=1)...

Also, try to keep your country reasonably on policy [i.e. don't go out declaring war on UK because you want Northern Ireland back, although honestly, that would not be the weirdest thing I've seen here...]...all of our stats are current as of 2006, so use CIA worldbook stats for your info on Ireland

And most importantly, have fun [unless having fun involves invading UK, in which case it would be better that you found a way to have fun and not invade UK...]

Can I be the United Kingdom? That guy who's playing "Britain" obviously doesn't know about Northern Island! And he's new, whilst I'm experienced and can provide an in depth knowledge of the UK's Armed Forces, especially as regards to the future of them. Upon confirmation I will start a thread right away.

Considering that it hasn't been a week, I'll give him some more time, although if you are sincere about being more on topic [don't know at all] or more active in general, I [or Sel Appa] will grant this :).

*burps, scratches belly*

If there are still places, could a non-Muslim (Me) have control of Pakistan?

It's not the nature of being Muslim or not...it's whether you're willing to cooperate in the international forum as your country [not as the uber-militaristic state of Pakistan that wants to conquer India - although that won't be the strangest thing I've seen here...arguing and even minor fighting over Jammu and Kashmir are in order...]

Just a general rule...if you can't see the country doing it in real life remotely, then don't do it. And if you do want to do it, then you'd better have a really good excuse [like Brazil, who made Venezuela a quasi-enemy state in order to create a "greater" South American state...while I don't agree with his tactics, it's sofar legitimate and he's cooperating well...]...

Otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with you taking Pakistan, unless Sel Appa objects...

You know what would be cool: If we finished this RP off at the end with a united world formed by the socioeconomic unions joining together.

[ooc: not only is that extremely awesome, it is also highly illogical...that's what we call paradise :)]

Ireland Please

It's not the nature of being Muslim or not...it's whether you're willing to cooperate in the international forum as your country [not as the uber-militaristic state of Pakistan that wants to conquer India - although that won't be the strangest thing I've seen here...arguing and even minor fighting over Jammu and Kashmir are in order...]

Just a general rule...if you can't see the country doing it in real life remotely, then don't do it. And if you do want to do it, then you'd better have a really good excuse [like Brazil, who made Venezuela a quasi-enemy state in order to create a "greater" South American state...while I don't agree with his tactics, it's sofar legitimate and he's cooperating well...]...

Otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with you taking Pakistan, unless Sel Appa objects...

Thanks. Hopefully my Civilisation 3 Games won't drive me to that...

I'll get working on Pakistan's Thread Straight away.

Thanks. Hopefully my Civilisation 3 Games won't drive me to that...

I'll get working on Pakistan's Thread Straight away.

[ooc: thank you :)]

Ireland Please

I believe that Askira hass already asked for Ireland...

My nearly Finished News thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491569#post10491569

Enjoy!

Can I be Lithania?

Can I be Lithania?
Yeah, just start making your N/D thread and post it in this thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491779#post10491779
Here you go

This is safehaven2, I will be using this nation to rp Iran.

Also, in the rules it says each player nation can have up to two nations to control, so could I control Lebanon and Syria? Both are linked to Iran in many ways.

This is safehaven2, I will be using this nation to rp Iran.

Also, in the rules it says each player nation can have up to two nations to control, so could I control Lebanon and Syria? Both are linked to Iran in many ways.
If you could come up with a plausible reason to control them then I'm pretty sure it'd be fine with Sel Appa.

This is safehaven2, I will be using this nation to rp Iran.

Also, in the rules it says each player nation can have up to two nations to control, so could I control Lebanon and Syria? Both are linked to Iran in many ways.

Linked...maybe...it still gives you no excuse to treat them all the same, because there are still subtle differences that make each country unique...[i.e. Lebanon does not like Syria to govern over it, so it would not be wise to make them one country or whatever...]

so go on :) and do good for Iran...

I am new to this, but it sounds really cool...

Could I get the Netherlands? I think it will be fun to join in on this... Also, I have been reading most of the posts that have been posted before. Now I am a little time confused. Coming Monday, the year 2009 will start, right? :confused:
tnx :)

I am new to this, but it sounds really cool...

Could I get the Netherlands? I think it will be fun to join in on this... Also, I have been reading most of the posts that have been posted before. Now I am a little time confused. Coming Monday, the year 2009 will start, right? :confused:
tnx :)
Yes, it will be 2009 on Monday, even though it says 2007 on the first page. Also, yes you can be the Netherlands, just post your N/D thread here.

I would like to be the Islamic Federation

I would like to be the Islamic Federation

Since apparently Sel Appa has left it open, you can take it...

A forewarning, please keep your country reasonable in international politics [i.e. don't go invading Afghanistan without a really, really, really good excuse]. And post a thread here ASAP.. :) have fun

And a note to all of my EU friends...

There are currently two proposals on the floor in the EU...

a proposal to free the weapons ban on China [France would oppose this...]
and the elections for the Presidency of the EU in 2009 [seeing as 2009 is nearing fast]. France has announced its candidacy, and is endorsing the candidacy of Greece [although I don't think that they've actually announced their candidacy yet...]

If no one votes on any of these, I will take the extreme displeasure of simply writing out the next dual presidency of the EU [i.e. France/Greece].

If you are in the EU, please VOTE HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470301)!

I thought Afganistan was part of my nation...along with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan,and Kyrgyzstan

I don't think it is in the Federation though.

The Thread of the Netherlands:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10493019#post10493019

I don't think it is in the Federation though.

Read

Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Afghanistan have met to form the Islamic Federation. The former three have left the Commonwealth of Independent States. Pakistan was invited and said it would be an observing member of the Federation. Turkmenistan was invited, but declined to join. Elections for parliament and president of the federation will be held soon, but all member nations will maintain partial independence and their governments. Federation representatives announced interest in meeting and discussing peace with Israel.

I believe that means they are part of it.

I thought Afganistan was part of my nation...along with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan,and Kyrgyzstan

Replace 'afghanistan' with 'any nation that you want to conquer just because'...

The thing is if you don't have a good reason to go to war with that nation, you probably shouldn't do it.

If you're Brazil and have a good creativity, you can twist the history a little bit and make it, but realize that a lot of countries don't lilke Brazil [nothing against him personally; it's just diplomacy...he's actually pretty creative about his war...], so unless you want to be a bad boy country like DPRK or Brazil, I would strongly encourage simple cooperation...

27FEB2006 will start the year 2009 in this thread!!!

List of Nations at the current moment being occupied:

Argentina (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469956)-The Xeno
Australia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469832)-Asbena
Brasil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470366)-The Marxist State
Canada (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469964)-Toops
China (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10394586)-Comunisticturkeys
France (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469896)-Naktan-Temporary God
Greece (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470087)-Omorfia
Germany (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10456260)-Lachenburg
India-Innsbrucklia
Iran (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10497227)-Alt Aus2
Islamic Federation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470423)-Palixia
Ireland-Askira
Israel (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469899)-Geneticon
Italy-Zips Gamers
Japan-Pyschotika
Jugoslavia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470434)-The Andromedan
Korea, DPRK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10394586)-NPC (controlled by Comunisticturkeys)
Korea (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470090)-Velkya
Kurdistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470240)-NPC (controlled by Sel Appa)
Lithuania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491779)-Canadstein
The Netherlands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10493019)-CittaNuova
Nigeria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469947)-Arithas
Pakistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10491569)-Wakenfield
Quebec (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470382)-Riptide Monzarc
Romania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470068)-Cenanan
Russia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467964)-Sel Appa
Spain-Philanchez
Ukrayina-Pushka
United Arab Emirates (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469944)-Zactarn Prime
United Kingdom-Evincas
United States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412875)-No Taxes
(Administrator--Moderator)

May I be Serbia and Montenegro instead

Considering that it hasn't been a week, I'll give him some more time, although if you are sincere about being more on topic [don't know at all] or more active in general, I [or Sel Appa] will grant this :).
Ok, just let me know when.

May I be Serbia and Montenegro instead

Unfortunately, Serbia-Montenegro has been integrated into the renewed Yugoslavian state.

Wow... there's a lot of us now.

For Sel when he updates the first page:

France/Israel summit:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10496705

Could someone point me to the Indian news Forum?

Could someone point me to the Indian news Forum?

There isn't one... the Indian player has not created a N/D thread yet.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10497227#post10497227

Iran's thread.

Hey, Naktan... could you like say I'm a member on this... you kinda left me out....

Hey, Naktan... could you like say I'm a member on this... you kinda left me out....

true true...I simply added nations...it didn't occur that your nation - though on list - didn't share your name... :)

fixed

WAIT A SEC!!! We said there wasn't going to be an Iran, and we actually turned down a member with 800 posts becuase of it... and now theres a player with 4 posts that has is...

What's going on Naktan?

Most likely I will be back in full tommorrow. I'll try to respond to a few things and catch up now. Also, it appears the Iran still belongs to the same person using a puppet account. As for Iran's question, you can control up to two minor nations as NPCs like I do with Kurdistan and did temporarily with IF...although that isn't minor. Minor would be like a Pacific nation or Sri Lanka or Moldova...something not in the news. You can take over any amount of nations you want as long as no one already owns it and you figure out a way to make it so.

WAIT A SEC!!! We said there wasn't going to be an Iran, and we actually turned down a member with 800 posts becuase of it... and now theres a player with 4 posts that has is...

What's going on Naktan?

Seeing as Sel Appa is back, he might clarify the situation about what we're doing with Iran.

But personally, I think that we need to have an Iran [who is good and plays the position well without going berserk into war...]. I am much more inclined to work with people then NPCs however, since people are interactive, while NPCs are almost like playing chess with yourself...so it might be that we don't want Iran to be a human player, in which case then Iran would unfortunately have to fall out [I would agree however, that the other guy was perhaps more qualified...].

So having Iran in the whole thing just adds to the experience...And besides, the other guy could use the XP to build up a RP stat [unless he remade his account...]

Most likely I will be back in full tommorrow. I'll try to respond to a few things and catch up now. Also, it appears the Iran still belongs to the same person using a puppet account. As for Iran's question, you can control up to two minor nations as NPCs like I do with Kurdistan and did temporarily with IF...although that isn't minor. Minor would be like a Pacific nation or Sri Lanka or Moldova...something not in the news. You can take over any amount of nations you want as long as no one already owns it and you figure out a way to make it so.

you haven't missed much...

@ No Taxes: For our Fusion Race, I think I'll randomly pick a year between 2010 and 2020 and then flip a coin or roll dice to figure out who gets it first. There is no other way to do it that is fair. Also, I don't know about your plans for space yet(haven't read Hilary's speech yet), but Russia has some big plans viewable in our post. (Russian Return to the Moon, probes to Mars and beyond, robotic laboratories)

Sel's probably right and it's a puppet account.

I hope at least that he doesn't just be hostile for hostilities sake. The Middle East is very delicate.

Sel's probably right and it's a puppet account.

I hope at least that he doesn't just be hostile for hostilities sake. The Middle East is very delicate.

Yes, Alt Aus is my puppet, I believe I posted it but it probaly got buried as this thread gets posted on a lot. No I won't be a warmongering, crazy nation, but I will play Iran like it is in real, meaning I don't much like you(Israel). But no I'm not gonna go and start launching missiles at you cause I don't like you.

Yes, Alt Aus is my puppet, I believe I posted it but it probaly got buried as this thread gets posted on a lot. No I won't be a warmongering, crazy nation, but I will play Iran like it is in real, meaning I don't much like you(Israel). But no I'm not gonna go and start launching missiles at you cause I don't like you.

:)

Cool... welcome. Time to start having summits about Iran... :(

Since I will be back tomorrow, I will be downgrading Naktan to a moderator. Thanks for the excellent job in my absence. Plans for 2009(this week):
-resolve Greco-Albanian/Russian Conflict
-enforce inactivity rules
-re-write rules in a more organized format
-continue strengthening Russia
-I hope to have a date for the discovery of fusion, but I will not choose who gets it until we get to that year
-Idea: Do we want to have the Olympics? The nation who is hosting the Olympics could write up metal tallies(that are logical and based somewhat on reality) and if no one owns the nation that is hosting, I will impartially draw them up. Also, each nation that is here and sent an Olympic team could write an amazing story about their team in the Olympics. Such as: "Sri Lankan bobsled team wins gold!" Anyone? We'll skip Beijing since it is almost 2009, but if agreed Vancouver is in 2010. If we go along with this: Sochi, Russia has won the 2014 bid. ;)

@ No Taxes: For our Fusion Race, I think I'll randomly pick a year between 2010 and 2020 and then flip a coin or roll dice to figure out who gets it first. There is no other way to do it that is fair. Also, I don't know about your plans for space yet(haven't read Hilary's speech yet), but Russia has some big plans viewable in our post. (Russian Return to the Moon, probes to Mars and beyond, robotic laboratories)

I'll flip the coin!!! :)

Since I will be back tomorrow, I will be downgrading Naktan to a moderator. Thanks for the excellent job in my absence. Plans for 2009(this week):
-resolve Greco-Albanian/Russian Conflict
-enforce inactivity rules
-re-write rules in a more organized format
-continue strengthening Russia
-I hope to have a date for the discovery of fusion, but I will not choose who gets it until we get to that year
-Idea: Do we want to have the Olympics? The nation who is hosting the Olympics could write up metal tallies(that are logical and based somewhat on reality) and if no one owns the nation that is hosting, I will impartially draw them up. Also, each nation that is here and sent an Olympic team could write an amazing story about their team in the Olympics. Such as: "Sri Lankan bobsled team wins gold!" Anyone? We'll skip Beijing since it is almost 2009, but if agreed Vancouver is in 2010. If we go along with this: Sochi, Russia has won the 2014 bid. ;)

on a note for the inactivity rule, Britain hasn't been doing anything, and I didn't like to push aside someone earlier who seemed more active than our current UK... I think his time is almost out if not already...

Olympics is good, although we should elect where to hae the Olympics...

-Idea: Do we want to have the Olympics? The nation who is hosting the Olympics could write up metal tallies(that are logical and based somewhat on reality) and if no one owns the nation that is hosting, I will impartially draw them up. Also, each nation that is here and sent an Olympic team could write an amazing story about their team in the Olympics. Such as: "Sri Lankan bobsled team wins gold!" Anyone? We'll skip Beijing since it is almost 2009, but if agreed Vancouver is in 2010. If we go along with this: Sochi, Russia has won the 2014 bid. ;)

ummm, if your talking Winter Olympics then fine, but the next Summer olympics are in 2012 England.

Can I have UK now please :) Because someone else deserves to win the Fusion race.

@ No Taxes: For our Fusion Race, I think I'll randomly pick a year between 2010 and 2020 and then flip a coin or roll dice to figure out who gets it first. There is no other way to do it that is fair. Also, I don't know about your plans for space yet(haven't read Hilary's speech yet), but Russia has some big plans viewable in our post. (Russian Return to the Moon, probes to Mars and beyond, robotic laboratories)
Sounds good about the fusion race. Though, whoever didn't get it first would get it soon afterwards either because of discovering it themselves or spies.

I'll flip the coin!!!
That sounds fine, better than either me or Sel Appa.

Stop this madness. UK, France, and Japan should also have a chance at winning this race which in RL is an international project.

Maybe a pan-european effort on fusion power? Or for the Space Race, for that matter...

Can I have UK now please :) Because someone else deserves to win the Fusion race.
I'd vote for you to be the UK right now, since the other person hasn't replied at all, but we'll have to ask Sel Appa.

Yeah, ESA will be a major player in the Space Race.

ESA would definitely have more of a chance in the Space Race than Japan or UK...

Stop this madness. UK, France, and Japan should also have a chance at winning this race which in RL is an international project.
Those countries could also have a chance, though probably a smaller one. We could decide what the odds are for every country to discover fusion, and then run it through some type of simulator. Also, it could still be an international project, though we'd need to make that clear.

Seems that everyone's gone a little berserk about the space race and the fusion race...

bearing in mind tha Russia and the USA are not the only countries in the world, it also takes wit to do this whole...

In saying that you are pursuing fusion, that indicates that you are making annual payments from your economy to fund such research [unless some crazy private enterprise wanted to do it...]. That automatically rounds out the countries with little or no national budget...

Bearing in mind as well that one cannot discover fusion in a reasonable amount of time [seeing as we have yet even to utilize a small fraction of a fusion reaction in a controllable setting to manufacture electricity], you're going to be spending a lot of time and money on it. That requires patience...that requires good scientists too...that also requires some common sense about national budgeting [i.e. your defense budget is excessively large that you cannot afford another program...cut back and make the allotment or don't do it all].

I'm probably blabbering at this point, cuz I'm kinda tired from the past weekend [another beautiful conference...]. But I guess my most important point is that you have to ANNOUNCE that your country is pursuing whatever goal and plan to do whatever it is that you're doing. My next point is that your country had better be able to DO that. My final point is that you're going to be WAITING for a while before you see results [i.e. even after cloning the first human, you've gotta wait years before you can actually utilize the science in general purposes...].

So good hunting and be merry!!! It's the 21st Century!!!

[at least let's hope it's better than all the rest of them...]

Well, a pan-european space program would be best to incorporate countries that don't have the resources or funding to build their own space program. Countries like Yugoslavia (played by me), Albania, Romania, Ukraine, Holland, Switzerland, I could go on forever. Do you see my point?

Maybe a pan-european effort on fusion power? Or for the Space Race, for that matter...

By fusion power you mean like the supercollider 3 miles from Geneva? If so, Yugoslavia has plenty of room in it's demilitirized mountainous areas, and we are in great need of jobs for our unemplyed population. :p

Ok...I have a question....how do I propose an action or initiate an action? If someone could let me know, that'd be great. Sorry I hadn't said anything for a while, I was out of town. But now that I'm back, I'd actually like to participate. Thanks.

Ok...I have a question....how do I propose an action or initiate an action? If someone could let me know, that'd be great. Sorry I hadn't said anything for a while, I was out of town. But now that I'm back, I'd actually like to participate. Thanks.

Generally, you can make a 21C thread for your country and post the news.

I took the liberty of updating the maps to help out Sel Appa. I'm pretty sure everything is right and up to date.

World Map:http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/Maximus0405/worldmap_new.png

Blocs:http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/Maximus0405/worldmap_new2.png

Pan-European efforts are subject to the individual nations who comprise it...

for that matter, pan-anything efforts are subject to the individual nations who comprise it...

and another thing, like Sel Appa and No Taxes probably said, just because you have "extra" money doesn't mean that you can "fast-forward" your programs. Granted, you have breakthroughs, but they rarely come in something like this. Considering that it took the USA some 10 years to peacefully harnass nuclear energy [i.e. for electricity, not nuclear weapons...], I wouldn't expect any kind of fusion process to occur reasonably within the next 15-20 RL years, considering that there is little history for manipulative fusion reactions on the Earth. So if you're going to group up, get a fancy-schmancy name for [i.e. the Pan-European Initiative for Fusion Research (PEIFR); or the Pan-European Initiative for Quantum Physics Manipulation (PEIQPM); or anything of that sort] and get some multilateral consensus on how much each nation in the group is willing to afford, is able to afford, and how and where the research will be.

Personally, I'll be in favor of a Pan-European research thingy, but I'm too tired to think up anything for the moment...

But then there is the ESA, for which France has the honor of launching rockets [French Guiana...useful for more than just gulags].

Well, honestly, I cant get terribly excited about the Fusion Race, I think we'll just lease that technology by the time it becomes available (besides, The Netherlands is built on one of Europe's largest natural gas deposits... So we'll be all right for now...
But I would definitely be interested in continuing ESA research. In fact, the Dutch government is probably willing to double its contribution to the funding of ESA as of now...

Can I have UK now??

Australia is using alternative sources of energy until we can just buy our own fusion plant after the technology is developed, or we will continue to produce and use our own oil.

Oh, and Australia is invading Somalia as posted earlier! I'll post a thread soon about it.

Australia is using alternative sources of energy until we can just buy our own fusion plant after the technology is developed, or we will continue to produce and use our own oil.

Oh, and Australia is invading Somalia as posted earlier! I'll post a thread soon about it.

Australia has no capability for an invasion. They don't have any troop transport ships. No landing craft. A weak navy, no major air transports...

OOC: I would like to apply. Info about military upon request.

Don't need to put ooc in a ooc thread.

OOC: I would like to apply. Info about military upon request.

#1. You need to get approved for a country.

#2. You don't play the United States, it's already taken.

#3. You don't come into peoples' threads, offering to sell them Ohio class submarines for 800,000 dollars, and Essex class aircraft carriers for 5 million dollars.

Australia has no capability for an invasion. They don't have any troop transport ships. No landing craft. A weak navy, no major air transports...
Indeed. Although he could have borrowed them from Britain.

I'll flip the coin!!! :)
When it comes time to that, maybe. I swear I would say if the US got it. I wouldn't fix the results.

on a note for the inactivity rule, Britain hasn't been doing anything, and I didn't like to push aside someone earlier who seemed more active than our current UK... I think his time is almost out if not already...

Olympics is good, although we should elect where to hae the Olympics...
I'm switching it over to Huahin or whatever. Evincas posted, but it is too late. We could all submit bids and then I randomly pick one.

Can I have UK now please :) Because someone else deserves to win the Fusion race.
Yes.

Seems that everyone's gone a little berserk about the space race and the fusion race...
Personally, I'd like to see a return to the competitiveness of the Cold War...without the war part...well maybe... For the Fusion Race, the EU would have to vote on it.

Map will be updated shortly. Dinner first lol.

Xeno is just being a pain in the butt. Australia has landing craft, I waited 2 years before posting the invasion thread and I am using just 10,000 troops to conquer Somalia, under the humanitarian thing I mentioned way back.

Oh speaking of that, is Ethiopia still under Russian aid?

Yes and they are our main focus in the "horn".

Maps updated. The blackish countries are the ones where the gov'ts collapsed. They will be transferred to be open to the public soon. I've decided that members can't invade a collapsed nation.

Xeno is just being a pain in the butt. Australia has landing craft, I waited 2 years before posting the invasion thread and I am using just 10,000 troops to conquer Somalia, under the humanitarian thing I mentioned way back.

Oh speaking of that, is Ethiopia still under Russian aid?

[ooc: this is invasion - as in "I'm conquering Somalia"? If so, your reason is verry bad, but we'll give it a show...]

The Republic of France condemns the attack on Somalia as contrary to the UN mission, and demands that Australia restrain its military and pull its troops from Somalia or else face repurcussions from the UNSC.

OOC: I would like to apply. Info about military upon request.
Go to the first page of this thread to see which countries are open. Maybe you could take one of the one's the just had its government collapse.

[ooc: this is invasion - as in "I'm conquering Somalia"? If so, your reason is verry bad, but we'll give it a show...]

The Republic of France condemns the attack on Somalia as contrary to the UN mission, and demands that Australia restrain its military and pull its troops from Somalia or else face repurcussions from the UNSC.
Yeah, we have humanitarian efforts ongoing there that we don't want disrupted.

I checked the UN thread some time ago, but my nation was not on the list, and it was not a UN sanctioned project.

I checked the UN thread some time ago, but my nation was not on the list, and it was not a UN sanctioned project.
Oy vey! The list is the security council, not members. All nations of the world are members...except maybe Switzerland and a few Pacific Islands.

Oy vey! The list is the security council, not members. All nations of the world are members...except maybe Switzerland and a few Pacific Islands.

Switzerland is a member of the UN...

We certainly need a Japan player.

Oh ok. I was wondering what that was about.

So what France condemns me, its not like Australia is doing a BAD thing. XD

Actually... you're doing a rather good thing.

You could say that.

We certainly need a Japan player.
We need a player for all those countries whose governments collapsed.

True, I'm doing Africa a favor....and the whole world. It may be tough love though.

For Japan...DON'T TEMPT ME! I'd pounce on it like a cat on a mouse.

*yawn* Updated my country thread.

Oh ok. I was wondering what that was about.

So what France condemns me, its not like Australia is doing a BAD thing. XD

France condemns the invasion of Somalia under any guise. Their force is expected to quit Somalia within a month [RL 24hours]. After that, France will submit a UNSC resolution condemning the attack and authorizing sanctions.

We do not want to have to do this, but we will do it if prompted.

We very badly need a India person.

Come on, you can't have a Pakistan without a India!

Sel Appa.. please check your telegrams.. I sent you an urgent message.

Thank you.

I'm thinking that we could have OPEC in here.

What do you lot think?

I'm thinking that we could have OPEC in here.

What do you lot think?
Isn't Iran the only OPEC nation we have? Kurdistan should apply for it though...good point though.

Reorganized rules will be available by tonight.

Acctually, these are OPEC's members:

Indonesia
Nigeria
Libya
Qatar
Kuwait
Algeria
Iraq
Iran
UAE
Venezuela*
Saudi Arabia
Qatar

Potental members:

Kazanstan.
Islamic Fed.
The other FUSSR states.
Pakistan, Bangladesh and India I think.
Oman.
Lebanon.
Perhaps Turkey.
Brazil I think.
Etc.


America Imports too much.
The UK does Gas mostly, and imports too much.

*That could put you in even more trouble Brazil.

Kurdistan is also a potential member. They have a lot of oil as well. I'll go create a thread for it then.

Thanks for your consideration Sel. Just sent another TG to you.

I have updated the rules into a more organized way that should be easier to understand and read.

Potental members:

Pakistan, Bangladesh and India I think.
Lebanon.
Perhaps Turkey.
Brazil I think.




They aren't potential members, they import oil, some of your other potentials probaly do to.

UK thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471250

sweet. a UK player finally ^.^

Yes that's good, Australia is still on the warpath though! ^-^

Yes that's good, Australia is still on the warpath though! ^-^

If only you hadn't completely ignored that link in your little war thread. Not that I expected better from you, though.

What link now? What are you talking about?
Edit: Didn't see it...but now I do.... >.> fun.

at least we're using ooc thread as the ooc thread...

at least we're using ooc thread as the ooc thread...

true dat.

Thankfully the UK is now part of the world.

This is getting old. I'm being accused of "godmodding" .. because Melville island isn't closer to Indonesia. >_> Like.. in real life, I MOVED the island or something. >_>

Why do I even bother...Xeno you're getting attacked, and because you can't do something about it you aren't fighting anymore, too late. You attacked (despite my warnings) and now its time to die.

Why do I even bother...Xeno you're getting attacked, and because you can't do something about it you aren't fighting anymore, too late. You attacked (despite my warnings) and now its time to die.

where's the thread?

and WHY are you guys still saying that Argentina is attacking Australia?

I haven't found any place where he explicitly says that [although the implication is quite present]. Unless Argentina explicitly states that he is attacking Australia, none of you has any reason to say that he is attacking [unless it's about terrorists or what not, but even then, this is an army he's got...].

If Xeno did say that explicitly, quote it here and provide a link to the post...

Yes, I agree. You MUST have a formal declaration of war on a nation. And the declaration MUST be ligitemate. If you make a stupid land claim, or just ramdomly invade, the UN will label you as an aggressor nation. And let me tell you right away, that sucks.

Just look at the Korean war in 1950-1953. North Korean troops stepped over the 38th parallell, and they were said to be "aggressors" in the UN. Within 2 months, the UN had over 160,000 troops there, and they beat North Koreans all the way to Manchuria. The only reason the NOrth came back is because a very decisive Chinese invasion on Inchon.

This is getting old. I'm being accused of "godmodding" .. because Melville island isn't closer to Indonesia. >_> Like.. in real life, I MOVED the island or something. >_>

Boo Hoo dude. Don't whine about it. That's probably the most annoying thing ever. If you don't want to follow the rules, that's your fault.

Oh, and I've decided to boost my economy, I will open 18 new E83 plants. I will be importing large amounts of corn to make feul, then I will export it. It's going to start out like a 200 million euro project (going about 50 million over the national budget) but it will really get the economy going, with all the new automobiles being produced running on the feul.

I want to start importing from the United States, Mexico, China, and whoever else wants to export. I'm alos planning to export to the United States and richer countries (lol, I have no reason to keep any for myself yet).

Yes, I agree. You MUST have a formal declaration of war on a nation. And the declaration MUST be ligitemate. If you make a stupid land claim, or just ramdomly invade, the UN will label you as an aggressor nation. And let me tell you right away, that sucks.

Just look at the Korean war in 1950-1953. North Korean troops stepped over the 38th parallell, and they were said to be "aggressors" in the UN. Within 2 months, the UN had over 160,000 troops there, and they beat North Koreans all the way to Manchuria. The only reason the NOrth came back is because a very decisive Chinese invasion on Inchon.


Umm...first of all Inchon is in south Korea, the Chinese came over the Yalu River in NK, the initial Chinese invasion was hundreds of miles away from Inchon and didn't reach Inchon for months. Moving on, you don't NEED a formal declaration of war, while its not "politically"(can't think of a better word?) correct to not have one, as seen multiple times in real history(includig your example) you do not NEED a DW, its up to you, although the consequences of not declaring war first are on your shoulders.

Actually, the Inchon landing was done by NATO forces and was what allowed the other NATO forces (in Pusan) to push the North Koreans back. By the time the NATO resolution was passed, the situation was already desperate. And for the record, only some very nice maneuvering that kept the Chinese rep out of the hearing and allowed the resolution to go through.
The Chinese countered by attacking over the land border. They never had the ability to strike Inchon, and never did.


As for the Argentina/Australia issue: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471094
That looked a lot like a major attack without a declaration of war to me. It also shouldn't have happened, but it's been allowed to go through, so whatever.



As for me. Which one should I be?
Hmm, this is a tough one. Japan is open now and would be a blast, but I just can't deny the beauty of taking India and going up against Pakistan. Turkey would also let me have some fun with Greece, and screw around with the rest of the Middle East as well. Or I could go as Iraq and set up a new Saddam. Come to think of it Mexico could also be fun (*eyes texas hungrily*). Ooh, and we don't have a Syria or Egypt either, or a South Africa for that matter. Really tough choice here. This is going to take some deciding. I'll have to think about this for a bit.

Is it too late to join? and if not, may I be Italy?

I think if you are more experienced, you would go with South Africa, because it's an interesting blend of cultures and you could try and expand your sphere of influence into the rest of Africa. As far as their economy, you have Uranium Mining, Diamond exports, and other raw materials, so it would be in the interest of many warlike nations (it's safe to say that most of the people here on this thread would love to start a war :D ). If you play South Africa right, it could become a superpower, its just that it take's some time. My advice is, don't take any Asian countries, something tells me we might have a war there soon.

And thanks for your correction, I just started the subject today and tried to test my skills.

His action is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471094

Oh ya. No declaration, just sudden attack.

Moving on, you don't NEED a formal declaration of war, while its not "politically"(can't think of a better word?) correct to not have one, as seen multiple times in real history(includig your example) you do not NEED a DW, its up to you, although the consequences of not declaring war first are on your shoulders.

Dude, I'm pretty sure you NEED a declaration of war. First of all, the UN will do something about an attack like that. The UN always sides with a nation unfairly attacked.

And it would jsut be stupid to attack someone ramdomly. First, you would set a list of terms for the enemy. If they don't accept, you issue an ultimatum. THEN, you go to war.

I believe it would be godmodding to just say, "well, uhhhh, I'm going to go to war now", because you would NEED to have good public support, and at least 3 weeks to mobilize your troops.

:confused:

I'm going to issue a warrant to defend Australia against this aggressor in the UN. I really don't want an aggressive nation to cause problems just when I started.

Dude, I'm pretty sure you NEED a declaration of war. First of all, the UN will do something about an attack like that. The UN always sides with a nation unfairly attacked.

And it would jsut be stupid to attack someone ramdomly. First, you would set a list of terms for the enemy. If they don't accept, you issue an ultimatum. THEN, you go to war.

I believe it would be godmodding to just say, "well, uhhhh, I'm going to go to war now", because you would NEED to have good public support, and at least 3 weeks to mobilize your troops.

:confused:

Generally yes, though this is grounds for total annilation if he doesn't issue a formal declaration and by the UN also. Attacking an NPC means you don't need to follow the same 'player' steps I think. Its your choice, and it could be a bad choice, though its assumed you did declare war, unless you specifically said you weren't. Which I clearly didn't, we are calling it a humanitarian mission. When its over it will definately be the best thing to ever happen to Somalia though.

I have to give Argentina a chance, but I am losing patience with him. Its only a matter of time before I attack in full force and wipe him out (thus delaying my conquest), but giving me control of Argentina instead. Though it will be hard to influence them the same as weak-willed African nations.

in that case, I will play as South Africa. Here's the thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10516015#post10516015

Replied to your thread, please check it ^-^

I think if you are more experienced, you would go with South Africa, because it's an interesting blend of cultures and you could try and expand your sphere of influence into the rest of Africa. As far as their economy, you have Uranium Mining, Diamond exports, and other raw materials, so it would be in the interest of many warlike nations (it's safe to say that most of the people here on this thread would love to start a war :D ). If you play South Africa right, it could become a superpower, its just that it take's some time. My advice is, don't take any Asian countries, something tells me we might have a war there soon.

And thanks for your correction, I just started the subject today and tried to test my skills.
Actually, the chances of South Africa becoming even a major power aren't too great. They'd only stand even a slight chance if they got ahold of Egypt. The problem is that South Africa isn't that strong economically (nor is its economy really growing all that well). In fact, it's rather weak compared to most other major players, and most of the rest of Africa is downright pathetic. Consider, if South Africa took over all 5 other nations that border it, it would nearly double the population, but get only a 15% increase in GDP. And with one that's already less than $5000 per capita. You'd actually see over a 35% drop in GDP per capita with that. It would take decades, and hefty foreign investment, to get that up to a solid level. Even with almost all of Africa taken, only Egypt really has much value. You could get something out of Somalia, Tunisia, Morocco, and a few others bording the Red Sea and/or Mediterranean by virtue of choke points, but that's it, and all of those combined wouldn't top Egypt. But still, Egypt isn't so hot itself.
Heck, one could easily make a case for South Africa to be their NPC. After all, North Korea's one.

That said, there's a lot of turmoil in the region, and a lot of ethnic diversity. I'd also get stuck in an interesting corner if invaded, because the South African military is definately a third rate force. Consider that their MBT is a modification of a WWII-era design, they have no real SAM and limited AAA capability, almost no navy, and mostly inferior equipment across the board. Only a few bright spots, such as artillery, which is limited.
It might be fun to fight off France or the UK with these junk heaps. Since I've read Vortex (four times actually), I've got some good ideas of what do pull.

Edit: Looks like someone's claiming South Africa now. Well, that's one down, even if he's technically not approved yet.

in that case, I will play as South Africa. Here's the thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10516015#post10516015
Please await approval before making a thread. You are approved though.

Attacking an NPC means you don't need to follow the same 'player' steps I think.
NPCs have to be treated as a player-owned country.
Unclaimed countries, you really just have to write one post to get them part of your country.

Were the forums unavailable to anyone else yesterday?

whoops, forgot about waiting for acceptance

Actually, their mineral wealth is very powerful considering the U.S imports most of their minerals from one country of another ( at least a few), their army consists mainly of armored cars because the deserts are much harder on heavier and unwieldy tanks, and South Africa signed a military deal with Germany to get some good corvettes and helicopters at least from them. The South African industry could be much better, but hopefully foreign investment will come

The forums have been on the fritz a bit. They weren't completely down, but over the last few days, there've been some periods where they didn't work. Some longer than others. They appear to have gotten that largely fixed, though I did have one instance of a page failing to load due to the database error not too long ago.

whoops, forgot about waiting for acceptance

Actually, their mineral wealth is very powerful considering the U.S imports most of their minerals from one country of another ( at least a few), their army consists mainly of armored cars because the deserts are much harder on heavier and unwieldy tanks, and South Africa signed a military deal with Germany to get some good corvettes and helicopters at least from them. The South African industry could be much better, but hopefully foreign investment will come
Actually, the main reason for the makeup of their military is the lack of a seirous opponent. The best anyone who'd want to attack could throw at them would be some T-62s. Consider that in both The Third World War and Vortex, the invasions were spearheaded by Cubans and/or Angolans. Not exactly the creme of he crop there. Since they didn't have a major western power to go up against, they didn't need the capability, but here, they kind of might, and it would cost billions and take years before they could ever hope to match a genuine modern military. They just don't have the equipment and infrastructure right now.
As far as mineral wealth goes, they have a lot, but not enough to go around. 50% of the population is below the poverty line, so while a few do get money, most don't. They would need to invest large amounts in getting better infrastructure and dramatically increasing industry to get going. And even then, it would be some time before they could improve much.


They're a fun bunch to work with, and I wish you luck. But don't overestimate them or underestimate the challenge you're setting yourself up for.

Ok...well I wanted to RP them having a chance to. ^-^ I'll remember that.

Anyway I can roleplay as Spain?

Im back

Actually, the main reason for the makeup of their military is the lack of a seirous opponent. The best anyone who'd want to attack could throw at them would be some T-62s. Consider that in both The Third World War and Vortex, the invasions were spearheaded by Cubans and/or Angolans. Not exactly the creme of he crop there. Since they didn't have a major western power to go up against, they didn't need the capability, but here, they kind of might, and it would cost billions and take years before they could ever hope to match a genuine modern military. They just don't have the equipment and infrastructure right now.
As far as mineral wealth goes, they have a lot, but not enough to go around. 50% of the population is below the poverty line, so while a few do get money, most don't. They would need to invest large amounts in getting better infrastructure and dramatically increasing industry to get going. And even then, it would be some time before they could improve much.


They're a fun bunch to work with, and I wish you luck. But don't overestimate them or underestimate the challenge you're setting yourself up for.
you might want to consider that in both books, the governments were apartheid and could not utilise everything that they possibly could. South Africa will obviously have some problems to overcome, but hopefully it will work out

I would also point out that in both books, South Africa had a much larger military than now, and I used them as an example of who the military was built to fend off, which still stands perfectly. The current force is less than 90,000 men and women, all told, and a huge portion of their weapons and vehicles have been scrapped. That was to help put more into the economy. It's still not going up fast enough though.

As I said, don't underestimate your obstacles. You have a chance, but you have to work slowly and tread lightly. It's going to be quite a challenge.

yea, it'll be a challenge. anyway, what's the rule on buying weapons from NPC nations?

can I be turkey (apperantly it has a defence expenditure of 13.?? bil so it should have a good army)

can I be turkey (apperantly it has a defence expenditure of 13.?? bil so it should have a good army)

That's nothing really. Just to let you know, pick a nation not for military, but because you like it.

Anyway I can roleplay as Spain?
Yeah, that'll be fine, just post your N/D thread here.

N/D? And I assume this is real life population. It'll be up by the latest tomorrow.

N/D? And I assume this is real life population. It'll be up by the latest tomorrow.
N/D means a News and Diplomacy Thread. Also, yes this with real life population, although keep in mind that it is 2009.

Yeah, that'll be fine, just post your N/D thread here.
I let you admit people? I probably did...oh well.

Hi Maccabees, you should remember me...

can I be turkey (apperantly it has a defence expenditure of 13.?? bil so it should have a good army)
I think Cenanan was planning to unite Turkey with Bulgaria and Romania...so maybe pick another country...we need an India.

Hey I hope I havn't been removed yet.

I am Japan, just havn't had time to make any posts yet.

I'll be making one asap tommorow, thanks.

Hey I hope I havn't been removed yet.

I am Japan, just havn't had time to make any posts yet.

I'll be making one asap tommorow, thanks.
Ok, I'll readd you. Also, we(Russia) need to ask you about purchasing a certain island of yours.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10517135#post10517135 WIP

After reading the Argentina thread, I have officially become completely discontented with this thread...[doesn't mean I'm leaving yet...]

I feel like I'd copying and pasting what I said there, but I'll justt cut to the point...

You guys really don't get the gist of war. War is the "final solution." All of the wars that I have witnessed have made absolutely no attempt to resolve their problems diplomatically [Greece-Albania hasn't become a war yet...]. Furthermore, most of the nations that are making wars are currently unwilling or incapable of waging war. You'd have to wait a whole lot longer than what you guys are granting. I can personally see impatience, like you want a war to happen faster. Personally, deep inside, there is a little bit of wanna-godmod on the mind, since it is almost impossible realistically to completely modernize your military in three years [unless your definition is very shallow]. First of all, you've got your country; it has more than soldiers - it has citizens who do honest work and try to make a living; it has an economy that functions based on the productivity and value of those citizens' work; it has government, which often also has a lot of red tape; it has numerous non-governmental organizations that support various functions in the country and abroad. It seems more to me that you guys just want the military and no government [I recall reading someone's post saying, "their defense budget was 15bil; they should have a good military"].

Please - for the sake of SANITY - stop just waging war at random. I don't know what Sel Appa and No Taxes would say about what I'm saying, but none of this war business makes any sense [and evidently, none of you can quite comprehend the purpose of your militaries - there's a reason why it's call "defense"].

Quite honestly, we havev a whole bunch of war-happy folk here; why don't we get a conscription office set up for you so you can go to Iraq or Afghanistan and see what a war really does? I mean, you want the war and no government; go into battle and watch the ranks line and fall as some enemy pummels your comrades with bullets, mortars, and grenades. Think about that corporal over by the Humvee and watch him disappear in a mine blast; think about that sergeant who just lost his head to an RPG round. Think about the kid who got caught in the crossfire because he had run to get water for his family at home, and then watch that private from Iowa rush out to save the kid - and in turn gets riddled by a machine gun battery. You see those airplanes dropping all that napalm? Imagine the other side - some misfire and you bomb your own troops - and you can see ten of your buddies from Beast burning in the flames...

And that's only the land forces - just imagine blowing up inside an airplane, or following a ship to the bottom of the ocean. If you all are willing to subject your people to that kind of horror, then obviously, I must be living in the wrong age.

Yes, I agree. You MUST have a formal declaration of war on a nation. And the declaration MUST be ligitemate. If you make a stupid land claim, or just ramdomly invade, the UN will label you as an aggressor nation. And let me tell you right away, that sucks.

Just look at the Korean war in 1950-1953. North Korean troops stepped over the 38th parallell, and they were said to be "aggressors" in the UN. Within 2 months, the UN had over 160,000 troops there, and they beat North Koreans all the way to Manchuria. The only reason the NOrth came back is because a very decisive Chinese invasion on Inchon.

You mean the Chosin Reservoir...

MacArthur made the surprise attack on Inchon...and just an FYI, the UN only passed the 38th parallel after the ROKA took Pyongyang...

I'm going to issue a warrant to defend Australia against this aggressor in the UN. I really don't want an aggressive nation to cause problems just when I started.

They're both aggressors - Australia in Africa, and Argentina in Australia...

You can say America was the aggressor in Iraq, doesn't mean we have such a crappy excuse, ours will benefit Somalia in the future and effectively end 3rd Worlds. Australia is doing a bold thing, but it doesn't me to put us in the same light as Argentina who is against fixing the world to make it better.

You can say America was the aggressor in Iraq, doesn't mean we have such a crappy excuse, ours will benefit Somalia in the future and effectively end 3rd Worlds. Australia is doing a bold thing, but it doesn't me to put us in the same light as Argentina who is against fixing the world to make it better.
I'm not saying what you're doing is for a bad cause, but I don't see how Australia could "effectively end 3rd Worlds". I could see Australia maybe being ready to take on Somalia after a military buildup, but there is no way Australia could end 3rd world countries.

India sounds good (US trying to make it benchmark of democracy in asia and it is a nuclear power now)

You can say America was the aggressor in Iraq, doesn't mean we have such a crappy excuse, ours will benefit Somalia in the future and effectively end 3rd Worlds. Australia is doing a bold thing, but it doesn't me to put us in the same light as Argentina who is against fixing the world to make it better.

[ooc: that sounds like a crusade...that sounds like imperialism...the excuse may validate the means, but does it justify the action?

Granted I don't agree with the reasons for going to Iraq, principally because they were stupid in the first place. Toppling regimes is not something that the military is supposed to do in the modern age; self-defense may be plausible, but it's that same tactic that destroyed Rome in the 5th century; acquiring oil is too greedy while saying we have our own supply and we really shouldn't be exhausting our petroleum resources like, because we upset the carbon balance anyway; WMD is not legitimate, because the proof has yet to be provided, and even if the proof is eventually found, the reason will be so far detached from the purpose that it doesn't even equate anymore; spreading democracy is legitimate because democracy spreads on its own with its own troubles [this goes hand-in-hand with regime toppling].

I don't believe that no good came from any of this - the world is probably better than what it was before; my point is that there are tons of different ways to do the same thing without wasting lives in an incivil manner [i.e. diplomacy, economic ties, good-will, good-faith, the things that bond humans together, et cetera].

For that reason, ending third world countries is almost noble, except that your action is imperialistic by nature - that is, conquering a region to "make it better" - the Europeans did that in the 19th century, and now what we have is a big mess across the world. If you want to end third world countries, do something that promotes their economy, that promotes the nation to accomplish a great thing in the world, to give some pride to these people. Conquering them simply strips it away and gives it back to your people.]

You'll see how it works out...Australia will not repeat the mistakes that the people of the past did.

You'll see how it works out...Australia will not repeat the mistakes that the people of the past did.

I only beg to know what that means...

And FYI, I'll be out this weekend, so good luck with this stuff.

On Iraq: The world is not better off...its worse off...eventually, it might be better. But that is at least a decade away and probably more.

On A&A: They are already established as they are, so it would be hard to nullify it all.

On attacking and invasion: I would really like to have Russia take over half the world and I am working towards something like that around 2050 or so. It may not happen though. Even with the improvements I've made to Russia, the US could still whoop us good. We won't even be able to think of challenging them for a decade or two. Our gov't budget is about to collapse because of all the spending and some programs will be cancelled soon. Mainly the African aid programs. We will be withdrawing from three countries soon because we can't pay for it. Although, much of the aid money was provided by citizens and private groups. The government just paid to bring it there and distribute the help.

Hopefully, we'll pull through. The Agriculture industry seems to be starting to rise up because of all the tractors and whatnot we gave out to farmers cheaply. This will bring more food...more people...more workers...more production...by 2030 or so, we should be a rival to the US(mainly economically). Hopefully, we'll be able to get at ethanol while the monopoly is still open. We are trying hard to build conversion plants, but as I said the government is close to bankruptcy.

India sounds good (US trying to make it benchmark of democracy in asia and it is a nuclear power now)
Sure, just make a D/N thread.

With Australia controlling parts of Africa we will be able to produce alot of cheap electrical power across the continent and effectively start and end the carbon cycle on a global scale. Which means putting the middle east out of order as the oil dries up.

Russia is huge, but secretly Australia is going to conquer most of Africa, or control it heavily as a method of a New World Order. Effectively pushing the center of the world's eye to the south and recognizing it to fix global problems. When this happens, causing 'unacceptable' environmental damage will be a crime against humanity and the planet...and grounds for war if its not stopped.

Though the chance of Australia getting that powerful won't happen until around 2025 to even think of such things. Maybe 2075 to actually back it up...which means turning Australia into a super-power.

OCC: Are there any more countries available?

A little while back, I claimed Serbia and Montenegro, however, they claim has yet to be validated by the admin.

With Australia controlling parts of Africa we will be able to produce alot of cheap electrical power across the continent and effectively start and end the carbon cycle on a global scale. Which means putting the middle east out of order as the oil dries up.

Russia is huge, but secretly Australia is going to conquer most of Africa, or control it heavily as a method of a New World Order. Effectively pushing the center of the world's eye to the south and recognizing it to fix global problems. When this happens, causing 'unacceptable' environmental damage will be a crime against humanity and the planet...and grounds for war if its not stopped.

Though the chance of Australia getting that powerful won't happen until around 2025 to even think of such things. Maybe 2075 to actually back it up...which means turning Australia into a super-power.
There is no way Australia could pull this off for decades...even the US couldn't really pull it off. YOu have to develop Australia more before taking more countries...or maybe you could make Somalia a quagmire like Iraq...which would be kind of funny.

OCC: Are there any more countries available?
Plenty.

A little while back, I claimed Serbia and Montenegro, however, they claim has yet to be validated by the admin.
Ohhhhh....sorry. I dont think I saw that. S&M are part of Yugoslavia now, which is taken. There are plenty of other countries available though...Vietnam and Mexico included. ;)

Hence why I said 65 years before I could do such things.

I would like Saudi Arabia.

My Saudi thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10522485#post10522485

Asbena, you're already pushing what Australia could afford to the extreme, and you won't be able to maintain that large a military for very long, especially when it's being deployed overseas. You have to remember that population-wise, Australia is quite small, and won't be able to afford that. It's also going to be at least a decade or two (and many many billions that you can't afford because of the military size) before you can get to the point of gaining anything from Somalia for a push into another country. And it will be the same way for each country after that you take. African countries are very difficult to work with because they have no infrastructure, and deeply seated ethnic tribal rivalries. In fact, playing on that was the only reason the Apartheid regime in South Africa managed to survive.
Really, you also have no reason to be there, and should have started in something a little more believable, like quelling ethnic tensions in Indonesia. Australia's building to be a major regional peacekeeping force to fill in for the US in the Indo-Pacific, and you've now thrown that away.


Yet another Edit: Okay, Japan it is

Welcome CSJ... you're a very knowledgable (sp?) player... glad to have you on board.

I would like Saudi Arabia.

My Saudi thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10522485#post10522485

Hold up... we said before we weren't going to give Saudi Arabia away I thought...

the middle east, especially SA is extremely delicate, I don't think giving it to someone in his first post is very wise...

No offense, but I want to make sure the game stays real and balanced.

I would like Mexico Please.

Hold up... we said before we weren't going to give Saudi Arabia away I thought...

the middle east, especially SA is extremely delicate, I don't think giving it to someone in his first post is very wise...

No offense, but I want to make sure the game stays real and balanced.

I'm not a noob first of all. And second of all, you're the same person supporting Australia, so don't try to talk about make sure the game stays real and balanced.