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The whole tribal rivalries will be hard for me to get over but maybe, just maybe.... Also, with Australia credibility as a peace keeper gone down the tube, it of course leaves a power vacuum in Asia as it is now overextended in Africa

I'm not a noob first of all. And second of all, you're the same person supporting Australia, so don't try to talk about

I have supported Australia... but only against the attacks on Xeno... which were totally uncalled for.

Besides that I created an alliance with Australia much earlier in the game... I have to support him, especially since he was on a humanitarian mission against a country pretty much ruled by mobsters.

You're not one of Xeno's puppet nations are you?

That's why I would have taken Japan if I could. I could have some great fun filling in that gap, and there's no one in Asia who can challenge the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.
However, it appears to not be open, even though Pyschotika hasn't posted anything to my knowledge.

That's why I would have taken Japan if I could. I could have some great fun filling in that gap, and there's no one in Asia who can challenge the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.
However, it appears to not be open, even though Pyschotika hasn't posted anything to my knowledge.

I believe Sel Appa said it had fallen into civil disorder, making it playable. You can tell by the map on the first page, if the country is in black then it's in disorder and you can play as it... at least that's what Sel said before.

I give you my full support to play the game.

Check your TGs Sel.

Like I said, I choose Saudi Arabia

Well, then I'll definately take Japan. I wasn't sure what the deal was with that (and the black portions of the map coincide with some currently taken countries, which is why I thought that meant it was still taken). If I can take it, I will. I can have quite a bit more fun with that than most of the others.

That's why I would have taken Japan if I could. I could have some great fun filling in that gap, and there's no one in Asia who can challenge the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force.
However, it appears to not be open, even though Pyschotika hasn't posted anything to my knowledge.
Yeah, Pyschotika posted to rp as Japan near the beginning of this thread, though since he didn't reply he was removed from the list of countries. Recently, though, he posted again asking if he could still be Japan and Sel Appa added him to the list again. So right now I'm not really sure what's going on with Japan, although I'd probably wait to rp as Japan until we find out from Sel Appa who's going to rp as Japan.

I would like Mexico Please.
That should be fine with Sel Appa.

Like I said, I choose Saudi Arabia
I'm not really sure what Sel Appa said about that country, so best wait for him if you still want to rp as Saudi Arabia.

Well, then I will take Hungary

@Nightmare: No Xeno, please go away in peace.
@TUA: Mexico it is.
@CSJ: I'll put oyu in waiting for Japan(be sure to remind me) if Pyschotika doesnt post soon. He said he would. If he doesnt by tomorrow night, I'll TG him a last "warning" if you will.

That's it right?

@Nightmare: No Xeno, please go away in peace.
@TUA: Mexico it is.
@CSJ: I'll put oyu in waiting for Japan(be sure to remind me) if Pyschotika doesnt post soon. He said he would. If he doesnt by tomorrow night, I'll TG him a last "warning" if you will.

That's it right?

lol.. you're so sadly wrong.

well..then who are you? ^.^

well..then who are you? ^.^

Used to go by Spartan_Warmachine, but it got deleted due to inactivity I guess.

Just no allying with Argentina then. ^-^

Argentina may not exist much longer anyways...

Can I have South Africa? And Where is the RP thread?

Just no allying with Argentina then. ^-^

Argentina may not exist much longer anyways...

.. lol you're stupid.

Membership is closed until Sunday. Defuniak will be the last accepted, however South Africa is taken.

Why do you say that?

Not according to the map... It is white. If I cannout take that is Chile Available?

Give Sel a little credit, making the map is hard enough. South Africa was a new addition. ^-^

Well, I guess Chile is mine.

Here is le News thread. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10523311&posted=1#numberpost10523311

Well, I guess Chile is mine.

Here is le News thread. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10523311&posted=1#numberpost10523311
Ok, I'll add you...but please don't create the thread until I ok you. I sort of did, but still.

I have Mexico now and I would like to keep it, however please transfer it to my other nation "Venezcuba". That would be great thanks.

Wait, On the Map Argentina is Colored, but it appears No one has a claim on it. Please Clarify?

The player who was playing Argentina quit the game yesterday...

Nevermind

Lachenburg, I'm waiting for a reply from you about my inquiry on your thread.

Lachenburg, I'm waiting for a reply from you about my inquiry on your thread.
Patience.

Well, then I will take Hungary
I have Mexico now and I would like to keep it, however please transfer it to my other nation "Venezcuba". That would be great thanks.
Ok.
Wait, On the Map Argentina is Colored, but it appears No one has a claim on it. Please Clarify?
D'aaaaaaaaaag! I have a life and can't update it everytime a new country joins. I do update the one on my computer daily, but I only upload a new one every so often.

EDIT: It should be updated now.

hey Sel... can I apply as a Moderator... I'm on here all the time.

hey Sel... can I apply as a Moderator... I'm on here all the time.
Actually I was going to ask you last night, but forgot. I'll count that post as your acceptance. You've been very helpful with keeping everything under control.

hey, i just found this thread. i was wondering if i could apply for a nation? is there still time?
It is 4 oclock on USA eastern coast.
i will check back at night.
thankyou

hey, i just found this thread. i was wondering if i could apply for a nation? is there still time?
It is 4 oclock on USA eastern coast.
i will check back at night.
thankyou
Yes, you still can apply for a nation. Check the list and see which countries are open and choose one. Then, wait for Sel Appa(creator of this thread) to get back and to approve your country.

D'aaaaaaaaaag! I have a life and can't update it everytime a new country joins. I do update the one on my computer daily, but I only upload a new one every so often.

EDIT: It should be updated now.

Well come on man, you have enough players, so just get a few more moderators to control the situation. You dont have to be like this :headbang: , you should be like this :D :sniper: , JK

When will the actual RP thread happen?

Its going on now...all around you.

BTW.....Where's Xeno hiding...

So this is what you call RP??? Than I quit, I can't make diplomatic proposals by checking Every... Possible... News... Thread...


You need to have a real thread here on NS.

Then you get a hodgepodge of unreadable posts, that you can't follow because every possible topic is covered in one thread. By using multiple threads you're creating something call organization, which for a large and well done role play is absolutely necessary. By your logic all of NS should be on one thread because you can't possibly follow all the threads.

He does have a point...maybe an IC thread would help all of us.

He does have a point...maybe an IC thread would help all of us.


I don't think so, because I don't want the United State's news and diplomacy missed with Spain's, because then it's utterly impossible to sort it all out.

but maybe a general thread for IC stuff, the OOC thread has some IC stuff. maybe not nation specific, but general news and happenings

I agree that multiple threads is better overall in something this size, and since the IC threads are all linked in the first post on this one, it's not like there's that much difficulty in navigating.
It also allows an individual to choose how much (s)he gets involved in. Not everyone has the time to follow everyone else, so they can just follow those that have direct impact on them without getting lost in a jumble of unnecessary posts.

An IC thread would be ridiculous. How would we know who was talking to who and such. If we have a WW3, which has been avoided so far, that would be an IC thread. The closest we have now is any of the conflicts and the UN.

An IC thread would be ridiculous. How would we know who was talking to who and such. If we have a WW3, which has been avoided so far, that would be an IC thread. The closest we have now is any of the conflicts and the UN.

Hopefully we can avoid WWIII.....all together.

Hopefully we can avoid WWIII.....all together.

unlikely.

After World War III ends only Switzerland will remain.

Sel i would like to petition to be Poland. is there anything else i should do? ill check back to see if im allowed.http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
:confused:http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
:D

opps here is the thread thing http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471586

Sel i would like to petition to be Poland. is there anything else i should do? ill check back to see if im allowed.
Poland should be easy for a new person. Just do a little research like I suggested on the first post and make sure you read and understand the first post. If you have questions, just ask...Is it just me who gets a link to the smilies and the smily?

i got it too, maybe it was a joke

i got it too, maybe it was a joke
A joke? I don't see that. IT's probably a bug.

TEST: :)

which forums should i be involved in? the USA one or can i be involved in all of them

which forums should i be involved in? the USA one or can i be involved in all of them
You can be involved in whichever threads you want. Although, it would also be a good idea to create a thread for your own country.

You can be in all, just RP in them if you have ties/want ties to that nation.

YEah, make your D/N thread and start posting.

Also, I have claimed my second and last NPC: Ethiopia. Go see the thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471765).

What happened to the USA thread? where are they now?

What happened to the USA thread? where are they now?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468492

just to let you know, Hungary is a member of the EU

just to let you know, Hungary is a member of the EU
You mean the map? ...let's see...it is indeed a member...oops.

Nuclear-powered trains? What a grand idea! Seems a Russian company has developed one for market by late 2010. See the Russia thread for more info.

Why not just use Mag-Lev?

Also Russian/Australian Summit:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471820

(Yes....its in every thread now. Happy Xeno!?)

Mag-Lev is amazingly expensive, although its definetely safer than nuclear powered trains.

Mag-Lev is amazingly expensive, although its definetely safer than nuclear powered trains.

If you can make a fusion reactor, you can do Mag-lev easily. Well...least I have the best computer chips in the whole world on my side now! Australia ftw!

How about nuclear+maglev as the company is currently designing? Any pre-orders?

Sel.. those can't mix.

Mag-lev uses magnets to levitate, nuclear would be a power-source, but there is no need for that. Just have electricity. A nuclear train would have a reactor ON it. About submarine size to.

I'm saying the reactors would create the power for the magnets and such. It's perfectly possible.

For your info:

USA/Israeli Summit:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471629

Actually I was going to ask you last night, but forgot. I'll count that post as your acceptance. You've been very helpful with keeping everything under control.

Thanks... :)

I'm doing my best to keep this clean... as long as everyone plays realistic this is a heck of a lot of fun... I've enjoyed it a lot so far! :)

@Nightmare: No Xeno, please go away in peace.
@TUA: Mexico it is.
@CSJ: I'll put oyu in waiting for Japan(be sure to remind me) if Pyschotika doesnt post soon. He said he would. If he doesnt by tomorrow night, I'll TG him a last "warning" if you will.

That's it right?
Well, it's two days later and still nothing. I hate to act like a vulture but . . .
*starts circling, eyeing Japan hungrily*

I can always fall back to Italy or Turkey if need be, but Japan is just SOOOO much more fun.

Please take note...

Important Link:

Universal Israeli Summit-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471911

Would anyone be interested in inductive research [i.e. Faraday's law]?

The Republic of France is proposing a research grant to research the feasibility of inductive power plants, using electromagnetic induction to generate electricity [i.e. converting electromagnetism directly into electricity]. Seeing as this is a new technology, we are alloting a plot of 50 years at the minimum to determine the feasibility of this project. We send invitations to all nations to get into this research.

The UK would be interested in joining in these experiments, and we offer the services of our best facilities, such as the world renown Cambridge and Oxford universities.

Israel will send 8 scientists to France to work on the project.

Well, it's two days later and still nothing. I hate to act like a vulture but . . .
*starts circling, eyeing Japan hungrily*

I can always fall back to Italy or Turkey if need be, but Japan is just SOOOO much more fun.

I would suggest that CSJ get Japan, particularly since our Japan hasn't been very active...

wow...that was fast...and i got more attention than the fusion race guys :D

I would suggest that CSJ get Japan, particularly since our Japan hasn't been very active...

Yeah... I agree with Naktan. It has been several days. Go ahead and take Japan CSJ.

Would anyone be interested in inductive research [i.e. Faraday's law]?

The Republic of France is proposing a research grant to research the feasibility of inductive power plants, using electromagnetic induction to generate electricity [i.e. converting electromagnetism directly into electricity]. Seeing as this is a new technology, we are alloting a plot of 50 years at the minimum to determine the feasibility of this project. We send invitations to all nations to get into this research.

Hasn't this been disproved as a good way to get energy? It produces a weak current and hence is not suitable on a large scale.

The Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) if it's available and you'd be so kind.

Hasn't this been disproved as a good way to get energy? It produces a weak current and hence is not suitable on a large scale.

[ooc: historically yes...the problem was the strength of the current...

however, with superconductors, the electrical potential of the induction increases almosts infinitely... and besides, most modern power generators operate by induction [steam turbines turn a magnet in a supercoil...], so I'm just introducing the idea...like I said, it's research to assess its feasibility...and besides, there are huge ionic streams in the atmosphere and in the spacial void between Earth and the Sun - perhaps in expanding our space research, inductive powering couuld be used to control the ionic flows and generative enough of an electromagnetic potential to generate energy [although this may compete with solar energy itself...]]

I would expect you to do research to increase the power produced with this technology, but making a zero-energy reactor is not really feisable. Maybe later upgrading to it is own power source, but the ability to provide power will not be a supplament for fusion, nuclear, hydroelectric or geothermal power. Even wave power will be a better source of funding for it then a power plant.

I would expect you to do research to increase the power produced with this technology, but making a zero-energy reactor is not really feisable. Maybe later upgrading to it is own power source, but the ability to provide power will not be a supplament for fusion, nuclear, hydroelectric or geothermal power. Even wave power will be a better source of funding for it then a power plant.

zero energy? that's almost impossible...not even fusion is a zero-energy reaction... let alone, superconductors...those stuff eat a whole bunch of energy! when doing induction, you need energy to maintain the current...and again, the point of the research is to determine its feasibility in this future...

50 years of research? That's a little overkill for it. Your choice though. Australia won't spend a penny on it though.

The CBSS would be happy to send scientists to aid in the research of an inductive power plant.

50 years of research? That's a little overkill for it. Your choice though. Australia won't spend a penny on it though.

[ooc: I'd rather overshoot and aim down than to undershoot and aim up...it's more optimistic in the end...]

The Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) if it's available and you'd be so kind.

I'm fine with it if Sel Appa is fine with it...

OOC: Okay Naktan.

IC:

Australia is funding the Galena project and within a few years should sport the first commerical reactors for its cities. Australia is preparing to sell power to other nations as a result of this.

OOC: Okay Naktan.

IC:

Australia is funding the Galena project and within a few years should sport the first commerical reactors for its cities. Australia is preparing to sell power to other nations as a result of this.

[ooc: what the heck is galena? lead?]

Oh sorry:

http://www.adn.com/front/story/4214182p-4226215c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant

That's the info you need to know.

Oh sorry:

http://www.adn.com/front/story/4214182p-4226215c.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant

That's the info you need to know.

ok...thought you were talking about the mineral...

Seeing as the Republic of France is a nuclear power herself, we encourage the Toshiba Corporation to continue pursuing peaceful uses of atomic energy, and we would like to join the Commonwealth of Australia in supporting this project monetarily and in any other way available at the moment.

Actually, Toshiba owns the reactor design there, and is funding it themselves based on future markets, so that goes to Japan. To my knowledge, Australia's not involved in any way, so if you want your own reactors like that (which you can sell), you have to go through the complete development process, which will take at least a decade. Japan, on the other hand, can in just a few years.

From the article it seems as if they need the money though, and since Australia will pay for it we are using the Toshiba corperation to help progress the nuclear battery technology. We are not developing it on our own, but we are funding it.

Actually, Toshiba owns the reactor design there, and is funding it themselves based on future markets, so that goes to Japan. To my knowledge, Australia's not involved in any way, so if you want your own reactors like that (which you can sell), you have to go through the complete development process, which will take at least a decade. Japan, on the other hand, can in just a few years.
[ooc: ok, Australia clarified their point about the whole thing...]

France sees no reason to pursue its own "Galena" program, and would like to offer any support to the existing program, in whatever mean that may come [i.e. paying some subsidiary to the corporation through the Japanese government, providing fissile material for the project, whatever is reasonably needed in its progress].

France also extends her invitation to all states affected by France [through culture or language] to join the Communaute de la Francophonie.

[ooc: an update from Nigeria would be in order at this time, seeing as France has offered a lot to their country to upgrade their infrastructure...and I'd like to know how much that is...]

Oh yes...I didn't copy and paste the message from my Australia R&D thread...so that's why the confusion, I'm sorry:

Australia's government has begun funding Toshiba for the Galena project. The $600 million required for production has been sent to the Japanese company to begin building a prototype.

That's why I meant and it can be seen here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469832&page=4

Though the nuclear battery design is a step up, the nice part is no threat of meltdown and it is resistant to sabotage and attacks. 'As safe a missile inside its silo.' Its very compact and small. For just $20 million a rural community will have clean and hassle free (self-controlled) nuclear power for three decades.

From the article it seems as if they need the money though, and since Australia will pay for it we are using the Toshiba corperation to help progress the nuclear battery technology. We are not developing it on our own, but we are funding it.
Actually, it's pointing out the problems such ventures had faced in the past. Actually, they're getting (they hope, but we can make it so) aid from the US and Japanese governments (US for the politics, Japanese for the economics). Australia doesn't need to help fund it, and even if they do, they will not get access to produce and sell the design, only acquire it, possibly at a discount.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4214182p-4226215c.html
The only way you will be able to sell something like this to other nations is if one of your companies does it yourself. That said, if I get Japan, I might strike a deal of some sort so you can do something with it. ;)

But for now, there's no point in paying all that, and there's certainly little or nothing to gain from it.

Edit: Come to think of it, Australia would only really fund such a venture if the prototype was being used there. Of course, you could always claim that, but the inability to sell the design would still stand. Remember that it's a corporation looking to make a profit doing this. And don't forget that a good portion of the bill will still be footed by Toshiba.

Actually, it's pointing out the problems such ventures had faced in the past. Actually, they're getting (they hope, but we can make it so) aid from the US and Japanese governments (US for the politics, Japanese for the economics). Australia doesn't need to help fund it, and even if they do, they will not get access to produce and sell the design, only acquire it, possibly at a discount.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4214182p-4226215c.html
The only way you will be able to sell something like this to other nations is if one of your companies does it yourself. That said, if I get Japan, I might strike a deal of some sort so you can do something with it. ;)

But for now, there's no point in paying all that, and there's certainly little or nothing to gain from it.

Edit: Come to think of it, Australia would only really fund such a venture if the prototype was being used there. Of course, you could always claim that, but the inability to sell the design would still stand. Remember that it's a corporation looking to make a profit doing this. And don't forget that a good portion of the bill will still be footed by Toshiba.


We know...we have no plans to sell the plants. We have plans to sell the excess power generated from the plants.

Ahh, I misunderstood what you meant then. Of course, there's not much excess power from these plants (remember, only 10MW each). Of course, if I have a say, and these work out, Toshiba might work on some bigger ones. And since that's a lot going out to Japan for the number you'll be buying, I can't really complain :)
On the other hand, doing that in Africa won't make you that much money to start with, and if you claim to own and operate nuclear power plants on their soil, you'll get hell from Europe, if not for environemental reasons than imperialistic ones. So watch out for that.

Ahh, I misunderstood what you meant then. Of course, there's not much excess power from these plants (remember, only 10MW each). Of course, if I have a say, and these work out, Toshiba might work on some bigger ones. And since that's a lot going out to Japan for the number you'll be buying, I can't really complain :)
On the other hand, doing that in Africa won't make you that much money to start with, and if you claim to own and operate nuclear power plants on their soil, you'll get hell from Europe, if not for environemental reasons than imperialistic ones. So watch out for that.

10MW may not be much, though it sure makes a hell of a difference for central Africa which doesn't have power or running water. If Australia is going to start a massive Agriculture program to feed the TDP plants and keep Australia growing rapidly, we'll have to purchase them to begin the operation, since it is not practical or economical to stretch power lines out thousands of miles across wilderness.

True, just as I said, watch out for international outcries on various grounds.
Also, I don't think I've seen any sign of it, but if you take over like that, regardless of what you're doing for them, they will reject you. That's what happened in Somalia before. A significant portion of those people don't want what you call progress, and I would like to see some dissidents and even armed insurgents RPed. Also, within a few years, maybe a decade after you've completed the project, there'll be a huge independance movement. I guarantee it.
As far as electricity goes, the very fact that it's not there is the reason there won't be much profit for many years. The people don't have electricity. They've gotten along without it thus far, so to them, they don't need it, and even if it were available, most wouldn't know what to do with it. All these people know is what they've grown up with, and most will be very resistant to any change, even if it's to improve the standard of living and you'd think it was for the better.

True, just as I said, watch out for international outcries on various grounds.
Also, I don't think I've seen any sign of it, but if you take over like that, regardless of what you're doing for them, they will reject you. That's what happened in Somalia before. A significant portion of those people don't want what you call progress, and I would like to see some dissidents and even armed insurgents RPed. Also, within a few years, maybe a decade after you've completed the project, there'll be a huge independance movement. I guarantee it.
As far as electricity goes, the very fact that it's not there is the reason there won't be much profit for many years. The people don't have electricity. They've gotten along without it thus far, so to them, they don't need it, and even if it were available, most wouldn't know what to do with it. All these people know is what they've grown up with, and most will be very resistant to any change, even if it's to improve the standard of living and you'd think it was for the better.


Umm did you read my post above? These are being used in central AUSTRALIA, for agriculture. Somalia is not going to be pulled out of and I'm still researching on it. Though say what you want, our guys aren't going to leave without a fight. Our 'progress' will make it so they fear losing all that they gained.

Forgive me, I thought you were talking about transforming Somalia, and was working on that assumption. If there's something more recent, I must have missed it.
I'd actually like to see you keep going in Somalia and Africa (though admittedy, you chose the absolute worst nation to start with). I was just playing devil's advocate (something I love to do, and do probably a bit more often than I should) to make sure you made it more interesting, and did it right. Doesn't really affect what I'm planning all that much, but it would have been interesting to see you try and carve out an empire there. Especially with the wider conflicts stirring up.
If nothing else, this debate was very useful for me in forming my own plans. It's often easier and more productive to argue against someone else than yourself. Ego and all.

Hey CSJ... you can make a News/Diplomacy thread for Japan. I actually have something to post in it.

Forgive me, I thought you were talking about transforming Somalia, and was working on that assumption. If there's something more recent, I must have missed it.
I'd actually like to see you keep going in Somalia and Africa (though admittedy, you chose the absolute worst nation to start with). I was just playing devil's advocate (something I love to do, and do probably a bit more often than I should) to make sure you made it more interesting, and did it right. Doesn't really affect what I'm planning all that much, but it would have been interesting to see you try and carve out an empire there. Especially with the wider conflicts stirring up.
If nothing else, this debate was very useful for me in forming my own plans. It's often easier and more productive to argue against someone else than yourself. Ego and all.

I'm trying to transform Australia into an economic and militaristic powerhouse its not easy, but if you notice I am adding new characters into my military, some with double lives and secret agendas.

[ooc: ah, the beautiful rise of regionalism...it's probably what's going to undo the UN...]

Thanks... :)

I'm doing my best to keep this clean... as long as everyone plays realistic this is a heck of a lot of fun... I've enjoyed it a lot so far! :)
Thanks so much for the positive feedback! I thought this would be a failure beyond a faint glimmer that because it was like E20, it would work.

Well, it's two days later and still nothing. I hate to act like a vulture but . . .
*starts circling, eyeing Japan hungrily*

I can always fall back to Italy or Turkey if need be, but Japan is just SOOOO much more fun.
Yours

Would anyone be interested in inductive research [i.e. Faraday's law]?

The Republic of France is proposing a research grant to research the feasibility of inductive power plants, using electromagnetic induction to generate electricity [i.e. converting electromagnetism directly into electricity]. Seeing as this is a new technology, we are alloting a plot of 50 years at the minimum to determine the feasibility of this project. We send invitations to all nations to get into this research.
Maybe, I have to do my own RL reseaqrch about it first.

The Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) if it's available and you'd be so kind.
Yours

[ooc: ah, the beautiful rise of regionalism...it's probably what's going to undo the UN...]
That and when someone really pisses the Motherland off. There are already people who want Russia to pull out, even Putin, but he wants to keep it covered up until Russia can adequately defend itself (this is all ingame...I don't know if Putin wants that really in RL).

Australia is planning to move into Kenya instead of Ethiopia and Djibouti in the upcoming conquest of Africa....still being planned.

Maybe, I have to do my own RL reseaqrch about it first.

I little doubt that you could find much to help the case, since it is a hypothetical field. Induction as a mean to power electricity is something that I view personally as a new mode to power electricity, except all of the current methods of extracting energy are low-yield. I'm giving this project about 50 years to test itself.

Basically, you have Faraday's law, which introduces the concept of induction, that is when a magnetic charge runs through a conductive material, it generates an antiparallel electrical force to that. Simply put, if you run a strong magnet along a metal [preferably gold or silver] conductor, you can create a electrical current [run a neodymium magnet down a copper tube...that's induction]. Basically all of our current methods of extracting electrical energy use induction - the thing is that the magnetic charge has to run through this conductive field at utlra fast speed [hence, you get wind turbines, steam turbines, gravity turbines, et cetera], and thus natural induction is an unfeasible mess to generate enough energy to produce electricity on its own [which is why you can run the magnet down the copper tube and not get electrocuted...].

However, with the rise of superconductor nanotubes, the resistance to the flow of electrons in induction makes it all the more feasible to generate more electricity from a simple induction run. Furthermore, the ionic particles in the spatial void help create the perfect magnetic medium to run the current. Induction as a means to power cities might be a long way off, but I believe that it may one day rival solar power in space stations, since it is not dependent on the light energy of the sun entirely and it also reduces the resistance and unnecessary loss in energy in the creation of electrical energy.

Of course, it might be a little far-fetched as well, since that's about the limit of my knowledge in physics. And besides that point, I don't have any major intentions to delve any further in physics than that [except maybe in molecular physics...]. Invest or not, I leave to you to decide.

Australia is planning to move into Kenya instead of Ethiopia and Djibouti in the upcoming conquest of Africa....still being planned.

clarification, has Australia invaded yet? because I had the impression that they controlled Somalia...

clarification, has Australia invaded yet? because I had the impression that they controlled Somalia...

Planning does not mean invading....such a nation would make my troops be unable to deal with both fronts and would be overwhelmed...I need more time. Though I also began planning Somalia for three NS years to.

The Japan Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10539298

Planning does not mean invading....such a nation would make my troops be unable to deal with both fronts and would be overwhelmed...I need more time. Though I also began planning Somalia for three NS years to.

Okay.................

So where is your fleet?

What exactly did you do in Africa?

And why did everyone say that you had invaded Africa [even if everyone was me...]?

Because I had the serious impression that Australia had forcefully seized controlled and assimilated Somalia...

Okay.................

So where is your fleet?

What exactly did you do in Africa?

And why did everyone say that you had invaded Africa [even if everyone was me...]?

Because I had the serious impression that Australia had forcefully seized controlled and assimilated Somalia...

Did am in it. Kenya is to the south west...not a coastal country. The fleet is still stationed off the Somalia. We're trying to get Somalia under our control completely.

Did am in it. Kenya is to the south west...not a coastal country. The fleet is still stationed off the Somalia. We're trying to get Somalia under our control completely.

okk, that clarifies alot thanks :)

Considering our military is unable to destroy the hiding warlords and their attacks on the borders, it is pretty clear that Australia will have to invade Djibouti and Ethiopia if they do not turn over the fugitives immediately.

These cowardly attacks threaten the improving conditions in Somalia in its entirety, all that has been accomplished is threatened at being lost due to these actions. While military presense is being used a sign of good will, the only active troops are stationed along the Ethiopian and Djibouti border in an effort to stop the constant attacks.

Lithuania is urged to pull their troops back immediately before Australia takes military action for aiding and helping the warlords increase the number of military style attacks upon Australian troops.

This is the thread for the coup d'etat in Madrid. The only thing in their now is a meeting between a high official in Iran, and a Spanish general, but it'll soon turn into blood and all that other stuff people like.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471825

Kenya is one of the most stable countries in Africa and it is a pretty good place to live comparatively. Invading it would not be a good idea. Also invading Ethiopia, Djibouti, or Eritrea will bring huge consequences. And Lithuania, get out of Djibouti...that isn't even possible for Lithuania. I let Austrailia slide, but that's it.

This sounds interesting and not very time consuming.

I can't choose between Belgium or Denmark... so I'll pick Denmark.

Kenya is one of the most stable countries in Africa and it is a pretty good place to live comparatively. Invading it would not be a good idea. Also invading Ethiopia, Djibouti, or Eritrea will bring huge consequences. And Lithuania, get out of Djibouti...that isn't even possible for Lithuania. I let Austrailia slide, but that's it.

I wonder how Australia can even hold these three countries, let alone support the invasion from so far away with what little they have in terms of military shipping. As I said in the other thread, the only nation that can realistically support an invasion so far overseas is the United States, and perhaps even the United Kingdom.

I wonder how Australia can even hold these three countries, let alone support the invasion from so far away with what little they have in terms of military shipping. As I said in the other thread, the only nation that can realistically support an invasion so far overseas is the United States, and perhaps even the United Kingdom.

I'm in one nation....not three. Oh ya....I have 75 of my 360 ships dedicated to troop and tank logistics...and the 360 ship total INCLUDES fleet oilers and rearming ships and submarine tenders. Most of my forces are logistics and are working hard to hold down the area.

Somalia though has fallen to Australia and I am in the process of modernizing and turning it into part of Australia. I just need to hold out a little longer. Though something has to be done with the warlords of Puntland and Somaliland...I think public execution would be good.

France and the UK both have the capability, providing they don't meet too much initial resistance, but yes, only the US can launch and sustain a major interregional overseas invasion. A few other nations have the capability to launch a modest sized invasion, but can only strike at nations that are very close (ie, Japan, China, Taiwan).

I think one of the biggest problems here is that a lot of people are trying to turn small and rather weak nations into global powerhouses, and are forgetting their limitations. We had it with Argentina, and have it to a degree with both Australia and South Africa. If you want that kind of power, you need to start with someone who can actually attain it.

France and the UK both have the capability, providing they don't meet too much initial resistance, but yes, only the US can launch and sustain a major interregional overseas invasion. A few other nations have the capability to launch a modest sized invasion, but can only strike at nations that are very close (ie, Japan, China, Taiwan).

I think one of the biggest problems here is that a lot of people are trying to turn small and rather weak nations into global powerhouses, and are forgetting their limitations. We had it with Argentina, and have it to a degree with both Australia and South Africa. If you want that kind of power, you need to start with someone who can actually attain it.

Australia's GDP per capita is conparable to the other big 4, South Africa doesn't. I may be pushing my nations budget to the max and going into debt to do this, but imperialism is a good thing considering we picked essentially the easiest target for its size. Somalia wasn't united, have only 4 tv broadcast stations, only minimal (what...18 million per yer) military spending and nothing high-tech, just mostly infantry. Has no form of unifed government and was past 15 years of anarchy with poor everything.

Though lets see $200 billion in debt a year ($400 billion in military costs PER year) means that Australia will be $600 billion in debt and overworking the military for this one operation. Though the bonuses of it will make it well worthwhile in ten years.

France and the UK both have the capability, providing they don't meet too much initial resistance...

That said, Spain actually has a larger fleet [in terms of tonnage] than does France, so if France does, Spain comes pretty close then. Although, I could never see Spain supporting a long distance overseas operation without the aid of the United States [i.e. Bosnia and Herzegovina, Afghanistan, Iraq until summer of 2005, et cetera].

Australia's GDP per capita is conparable to the other big 4, South Africa doesn't. I may be pushing my nations budget to the max and going into debt to do this, but imperialism is a good thing considering we picked essentially the easiest target for its size. Somalia wasn't united, have only 4 tv broadcast stations, only minimal (what...18 million per yer) military spending and nothing high-tech, just mostly infantry. Has no form of unifed government and was past 15 years of anarchy with poor everything.

Though lets see $200 billion in debt a year ($400 billion in military costs PER year) means that Australia will be $600 billion in debt and overworking the military for this one operation. Though the bonuses of it will make it well worthwhile in ten years.

The fact that Somalia isn't unified would make an invasion harder, not easier, because there's no centralized government to oppress or decapitate. The United Nations witnessed this first in hand during their intervention in the country , and in fact, you'll still have warfare between warlords, or perhaps a temporary military unification to oust the Australians troops. And Australia could not possible afford the casualties the United States can, and there [i]would be very high casualties in a long term occupation of the country.

I'm trying to upgrade Russia to that ability, but it will still be a decade or two before we can invade a local nation, keep peace at home, and defend against another countries. all we have are missiles...lots of missiles.

This sounds interesting and not very time consuming.

I can't choose between Belgium or Denmark... so I'll pick Denmark.
Ok. Please make D/N thread and be sure to read the rules. And it will be somewhat time consuming...but Denamrk shouldn't be too hard.

25% of the Invading Troops in superior weapons have been hurt and 10% of those have been killed in the operation. 150,000 people total for the operation and only 15,000 are combat troops.

35% of my troops have been casualites of the war. Is that not a high number considering they have tanks and scattered (limited) air support? The thing is though...Somalia itself was not united, but the nations inside it were. Making them easy to capture and destroy.

Somalia has Muqdisho as the natural capital and this has a government....capture that and the whole south falls to you. While in the north you have Somaliland with its own capital....I smashed that in the opening week. Then you have Puntland, also with its own capital, smash that and they fleed across the borders in Ethiopia and Djibouti. Now they are launching constant attacks on my troops on the border.

Holding the area IS expensive. In money and lives. The US pulled out because their was too few supporting troops to keep things going. Somalias will not exactly attack the same military people who are feeding, clothing and upgrading their housing, providing free medical care and establishing churches and businesses, schooling and making every aspect of their lives easier where possible.

Naturally this means I'm going to recieve hell from the Northwest warlords and they will want power back. Everything is mixed up and is like Iraq with the exception is, they haven't been united under a single leader or had even 1/4th of the things the Iraqies had. The Somali attacks were not organized or capable of fighting back, which is why I was able to roll over resistance, but harassment attacks will do damage and lots of it overtime.

No, the US pulled out because it wasn't worth to effort to intervene, since none of the food that was sent ever made it into the hands that should have had it - instead, the warlords gathered it. Somalia would not be easy to 'capture and destroy'. It would be easy to operate in a conventional war, because frankly, Somalia shouldn't even have an air force, but it would not be easy to occupy, and that's the point. Why would you go after Somalia in the first place, anyways? Wouldn't it be more sane if Australia began to expand in the Pacific, as opposed to Africa?

With no air, no navy, no milita.....Somalia was a cake-walk for the population size. Expensive...but it will be a vital center when I expand....though I think I might pick the Seychelles or Maldives or even Sri Lanka if I want to do militartisic imperialism.

With no air, no navy, no milita.....Somalia was a cake-walk for the population size. Expensive...but it will be a vital center when I expand....though I think I might pick the Seychelles or Maldives or even Sri Lanka if I want to do militartisic imperialism.

No militia? What, are you killing the entire Somalian population? If only it was that easy in Iraq now, huh? :rolleyes: This 'vital center', realistically, should also be a logistical hell, with insurgents hitting important supply centers and such, threatening to leave your armies without a baggage train for days at a time, except, of course, if all of Australia's military resources were put in making sure that insurgents couldn't strike at these important targets - then, of course, there would be problems putting enough men to 'expand'.


BTW, for anybody here, is there an Ethiopia player, or an Eritrea player, or controller, or whatever?

establishing churches
I don't think Somalians will be happy with that, but I don't know how many Muslims they actually have.

Also, their "army" is 100% militia. You really should be: "Oh shit we're f'ed!" and leave soon...or try to stabilize it like US in Iraq and watch a Civil War happen. Enjoy.

No militia? What, are you killing the entire Somalian population? If only it was that easy in Iraq now, huh? :rolleyes: This 'vital center', realistically, should also be a logistical hell, with insurgents hitting important supply centers and such, threatening to leave your armies without a baggage train for days at a time, except, of course, if all of Australia's military resources were put in making sure that insurgents couldn't strike at these important targets - then, of course, there would be problems putting enough men to 'expand'.


BTW, for anybody here, is there an Ethiopia player, or an Eritrea player, or controller, or whatever?




As of January 1991, Somali National Army (SNA) and all related military and security forces disbanded; an indeterminate number of elements reconstituted as clan militias and irregular regional forces.

Until January 1991, Army ground forces organized into twelve divisions composed of four tank brigades, forty-five mechanized and infantry brigades, four commando brigades, one surface-to-air missile brigade, three field artillery brigades, thirty field battalions, and one air defense battalion.

Military equipment was a mixture of old weapons of Soviet and United States origin, none of which could have withstood an attack from the better armed Ethiopian forces. The equipment was outdated and of poor serviceability, largely because of inadequate maintenance capability. As a result, foreign military advisers or technicians performed nearly all maintenance tasks.

Included in the SNA inventory were Centurion, M-41, M-47, T-34, and T-54/T-55 tanks; BRDM-2 and AML-90 reconnaissance vehicles; BTR-40/-50/-60/-152, Fiat 6614/6616, and BMR-600 armored personnel carriers; 100mm, 105mm, 122mm, and 155mm (M-198) towed artillery; 82mm and 120mm mortars; Milan TOW anti-tank guided weapons; 89mm rocket launchers; and 106mm recoilless rifles.

Somalia was exclusively supplied by the Soviet Union until 1977 when the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation was terminated. Subsequently Somalia improved relations with United States and received average of US$36 to $US40 million per year of United States military assistance between 1983 and 1986. Levels of military aid during 1980s were insufficient to avert deterioration and collapse of Somali armed forces by 1991.

In the early 1980s, the Somali armed forces were organized and deployed to prevent an Ethiopian attack. By the end of the decade, however, the military concentrated its activities on maintaining internal security. Antigovernment resistance originated from various clan-based guerrilla groups that defended their interests against outsiders, each other, and Siad Barre's soldiers. The availability of weapons in the Horn of Africa and the ability to obtain military aid from foreign nations and Somali expatriate communities enabled the rebels to wage a protracted guerrilla war against Mogadishu.

Beginning in the early 1980s, many Somali officers started attending one of two military schools in Mogadishu. The Siad Barre Military Academy offered general instruction, and the Ahmad Guray War College was a staff school for senior officers. Noncommissioned officers attended the General Daoud Military Academy in Chisimayu. The Weapons School provided courses in specialties such as field artillery, transportation, and communications. The Somali armed forces also maintained instruction centers for personnel from the engineering, railway, and paratroop-commando corps. Despite the existence of these academies and schools, the Somali military relied on foreign training to maintain sophisticated weapons systems and to improve the technical and leadership skills of its personnel. After the breakup of the Somali-Soviet alliance, the SNA largely depended on the United States, Saudi Arabia, France, and Italy for such training. Following the fall of Siad Barre in January 1991 and the disintegration of the armed forces, military training ceased.

Paramilitary forces, which reported to the president via the minister of state, supplemented the SNA. These included a 1,500- man elite border guard; the 20,000-man People's Militia; and the 8,000-man Somali Police Force (SPF), which had an air unit based in Mogadishu consisting of two Dornier Do-28D2 aircraft, neither of which was believed to be operational in early 1992. The Somali Police Force, People's Militia, and National Security Service disbanded as of January 1991.


That's where my info came from. Though I still did insurgents and others yes...

What that doesn't take into consideration are the private armies used by the warlords throughout Somalia, and the amount of insurgents that the warlords can mobilize and arm cheaply and use in hit and run operations.

What that doesn't take into consideration are the private armies used by the warlords throughout Somalia, and the amount of insurgents that the warlords can mobilize and arm cheaply and use in hit and run operations.

I already told you I know about those, and that's why I had so many casualities!

Yes, but what I'm trying to say is that you cannot claim to pacify a country in such a short period of time. Insurgents will continue to exist until the country is fully integrated into Australia - that can be as far away as a hundred years. Historically, it would have to be even more. Then again, you could simply go on a campaign of destruction and slaughter and kill as many Somalians as you can - a la Roman, if you'd like.

Yes, but what I'm trying to say is that you cannot claim to pacify a country in such a short period of time. Insurgents will continue to exist until the country is fully integrated into Australia - that can be as far away as a hundred years. Historically, it would have to be even more. Then again, you could simply go on a campaign of destruction and slaughter and kill as many Somalians as you can - a la Roman, if you'd like.

We haven't pacified the nation....I am not making any claims that we have. The warlords are still going to try and stop us, though its not exactly in their favor right now.

We haven't pacified the nation....I am not making any claims that we have. The warlords are still going to try and stop us, though its not exactly in their favor right now.

Insurgency wars are never in favour of the insurgents. :P It's just hoped that the amounts of casualties they inflict will persuade their opponent that it's just not worth it, which is why insurgents in Iraq are willing to take sixty deaths for every kill they achieve.

Insurgency wars are never in favour of the insurgents. :P It's just hoped that the amounts of casualties they inflict will persuade their opponent that it's just not worth it, which is why insurgents in Iraq are willing to take sixty deaths for every kill they achieve.
But insurgents are also like hydrae...they keep coming back.

Could i claim Italy Please?

Insurgency wars are never in favour of the insurgents. :P It's just hoped that the amounts of casualties they inflict will persuade their opponent that it's just not worth it, which is why insurgents in Iraq are willing to take sixty deaths for every kill they achieve.

LOL! So true.

Not a bad setup, this RP. I'd actually like to join. Two questions, though:

1. Is the Chinese player still active?

2. Barring that, is either Singapore or Taiwan available?

Both should be open. I don't know about the player, but I kept on killing a guy called Communisturkey on BF2.

Could i claim Italy Please?
Ok
Not a bad setup, this RP. I'd actually like to join. Two questions, though:

1. Is the Chinese player still active?

2. Barring that, is either Singapore or Taiwan available?
YEs he is...ish...and he's my friend(well on NS he is), so China is permanantly locked in his name unless he decides to quit or soemthing.
Singapore then because supposedly he wants to "return" taiwan to China.

Both should be open. I don't know about the player, but I kept on killing a guy called Communisturkey on BF2.
I'd almost certainly bet my life that's him.

[ooc: seeing as I have been itching for Algeria for a while, I'd like NPC rights to Algeria...that is until someone is willing to take Algeria for a real country]

Singapore it is, then. I can be small, but economically powerful.

Anybody have any advice on how to go about things?

Since Africa is basically owned by Russian relief efforts...Australia is going to avoid them...Sel is Tasnmania naturally a part of my nation?

I want to get Indonesia and Vietnam as NPCs :)

Singapore it is, then. I can be small, but economically powerful.

Anybody have any advice on how to go about things?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sn.html

Make an R&D thread with 21-C in the name...and join in!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10543724#post10543724

My N/D thread.

I would also suggest reading up on the threads for other nations near you or that you're associated with. You want to get a feel for what's going on, and there are a few things that might affect you.

OCC: Are you guys familiar with the 'Highway in the Sky' program that NASA is developing? Maybe we should start a European Air Administration (I'm really not sure if there is one) and create our own thing like that...

Of course, Yugoslavia only has one aircraft company, and they make jet fighters and luxury business aircraft, so we need a country to head it with high aireal experise...

My guess is the best would be
1) England
then
2)Russia
and then
3) France

You thinking about the European Space Agency? We've already got one...

Speaking of ESA, there's also the EU :)

My guess is the best would be
1) England
then
2)Russia
and then
3) France[/COLOR][/B]
Russia isn't Europe...it's...Russia. ;)

Since Africa is basically owned by Russian relief efforts...Australia is going to avoid them...Sel is Tasnmania naturally a part of my nation?

I want to get Indonesia and Vietnam as NPCs :)
Vietnam yes...Indonesia...Japan is working with that and it is a fairly major country.

Bangladesh, can I have that? Its right next to India. ^-^

Bangladesh, can I have that? Its right next to India. ^-^
Backwater nations? Ok. I would like to see a united Indochina maybe...

Naktan, you can start a Russo-French Conference in Paris...

Just a note to all...even if your leader is at one place, that doesn't mean he/she can't be in another place...basically, you can carry out two conferences at once...as long as they are at different ingame times.

Sel Appa I would like to have a meeting with your country.

Summit here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10544144#post10544144


Also, I'd like to know about Algeria [if I can NPC them].

Hey everyone. Just joined this "Nationstate" game. Read the rules on the 1st page of this thread. Can I please be Austria?

Summit here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10544144#post10544144


Also, I'd like to know about Algeria [if I can NPC them].
Sure

Hey everyone. Just joined this "Nationstate" game. Read the rules on the 1st page of this thread. Can I please be Austria?
Sure. Finally someone reads the rules before posting and admits it.

Thank you. Can you give me an outline or an example of how the D/N thread should look like and what exactly it should have in it to begin with?

Say, Sel, I was thinking about perhaps joining up with Malaysia and Brunei to form a Straits Confederacy of sorts.....what's your take on that?

Say, Sel, I was thinking about perhaps joining up with Malaysia and Brunei to form a Straits Confederacy of sorts.....what's your take on that?

Many nations won't like that area being a giant toll booth...just to let you know.

well... outside nations dont really have a say on that. its the nations themselves that have to choose.

well... outside nations dont really have a say on that. its the nations themselves that have to choose.

Actually they do, economic sanctions and pressure usually stops it before a military effort is done. America did it to cuba and now they drive 1950's cars and are in deep trouble... :O

Many nations won't like that area being a giant toll booth...just to let you know.

Well, it will be a loose Confederacy of sorts. After all, in RL, Singapore and Malaysia have issues to work out still.

And I'm not sure if tolls are necessary. That would be suicide. Still, now that you mentioned it....:D

We'll charge low tolls.

Maybe...I don't relaly know the realisticity of it, but didn't Singapore leave Malaysia? Why would they go back?

To those who are having conferences, summits, whatever with Russia, please be patient...I'll post soon.

Maybe...I don't relaly know the realisticity of it, but didn't Singapore leave Malaysia? Why would they go back?

To those who are having conferences, summits, whatever with Russia, please be patient...I'll post soon.

It would be not a union-realistically, the Singaporeans would cry bloody murder before they would reunite with Malaysia. This is more of a confederacy, similar to the EU, or the old Articles of Confederation for the US (only less unstable).

OOCly, this proposal is a way to bring Malaysia and Brunei into play so I can do a little more.

Maybe...I don't relaly know the realisticity of it, but didn't Singapore leave Malaysia? Why would they go back?

To those who are having conferences, summits, whatever with Russia, please be patient...I'll post soon.

Sel makes a good point...I don't think Singapore would suddenly be all happy cheery and enter into a confederation with them, but its your NPC....so who knows. Maybe you should do some internal conflicts, but I'll be upset to the point of sanctioning your nation for cutting off trade routes...and also key ones at that to Vietnam if you do cause a tax in INTERNATIONAL waters.

Sel makes a good point...I don't think Singapore would suddenly be all happy cheery and enter into a confederation with them, but its your NPC....so who knows. Maybe you should do some internal conflicts, but I'll be upset to the point of sanctioning your nation for cutting off trade routes...and also key ones at that to Vietname if you do cause a tax in INTERNATIONAL waters.

Trust me. There will be plenty of debate on both sides, not at all civil. Hopefully, it will be kept to the parliaments, but things can and will get nasty. I do expect that to occur.

And fine, we won't issue a toll. Happy?

Trust me. There will be plenty of debate on both sides, not at all civil. Hopefully, it will be kept to the parliaments, but things can and will get nasty. I do expect that to occur.

And fine, we won't issue a toll. Happy?

Yay....good...cause we need Vietname trade :O

Yay....good...cause we need Vietname trade :O

You do that. And also, I may need a response in the summit.

Do i have to make an D/N thread before i start RPing, because im useless at that sort of thing,
Can i have Libya and Tunisia as NPCs please?

It would be not a union-realistically, the Singaporeans would cry bloody murder before they would reunite with Malaysia. This is more of a confederacy, similar to the EU, or the old Articles of Confederation for the US (only less unstable).

OOCly, this proposal is a way to bring Malaysia and Brunei into play so I can do a little more.

They've been apart soooo long it's really improbable that they would reunite, they are 2 different naitonalities. And the EU is more like a trade and peace commitee, not a source of uniting nations, it's kind of like Europe's mini-UN.

And the Articles of Confederation? Do you have any idea what you're talking about; the Articles of Confederation were the prelude to the constitution, not an alliance pact.

No, the European Union is trying to unite Europe. It's just obvious, through historical example, that the nations of Europe can never be permanently unified under a single, centralized government, which is why sovereignty is still in the hands of independent nations. But it is working to unite the region as much as possible, including the common coin [except the United Kingdom], a common 'alliance' president, and most importantly, the beginnings of unified weapon design [especially French-German, German-Spanish, Spanish-Italian, et cetera] which could be the premonition of a European Army.

And a confederation =/= Articles of Condederation. Switzerland is a confederacy. It is a political binding between seperate subnational sects to agree to a centralized government while allowing near full autonomy to subnations. It looks like Spain is headed there in real life, although I doubt that centralization will be lost - but it's certainly a fear of mine.

EDIT: Oh yes, now I see what you responded to. Yes, I would much rather style anything after Switzerland, or the Western German States prior to the German Empire, than on the Articles of Conderation, which was more or less an alliance between sovereign states. :)

Ya....but still...it wouldn't work well with them.

I think Singapore prides itself too much on being the nexus of Southeast Asia, but the best way to find out is to speak to a man from there - Liverpool England, and I will ask him on his thoughts tonight or tomorrow night. :)

EDIT: Oh yes, now I see what you responded to. Yes, I would much rather style anything after Switzerland, or the Western German States prior to the German Empire, than on the Articles of Conderation, which was more or less an alliance between sovereign states. :)

Perhaps a Swiss-style union would be preferable then for stability's sake. But I brought up the Articles to illustrate a possible arrangement considering the Malays and the Singaporeans don't usually get along.

And Asbena, that point has been repeated over and over....

Then just do as suggested before....lose Singapore to Malaysia and have Brunei as part of a single state, but both being former NPCs.

Perhaps I should merely annex Brunei, then. I'll wait for a mod ruling and Macabees to get back on Malaysia.

Yes, brutal conquest is always funner. :)

Yes, brutal conquest is always funner. :)


I am tempted to do an Asian Six-Day War. All I need is modern planes, and better tanks. Emphasis on the planes.

I am tempted to do an Asian Six-Day War. All I need is modern planes, and better tanks. Emphasis on the planes.

Just remember....Australia is a military power of the southern hemisphere now...we are big brother of the south!

Given the growing anti-Australian sentiment in Spain, due mostly to minor jealousy for Australia's African expansions, some sort of ally in the Pacific Ocean can come well to Spain. Note, Spanish Leopard 2Es are beginning to see service with Iran; as are Eurofighters. :) I'm sure a similar program can be extented over to Singapore. Apart from that, Spain doesn't have much to offer, except maybe training aircraft, a new naval helicopter, UAVs, and ships [and few at that]. The rest you may be able to procure off Italy, soon to become Spain's partner in crime, or perhaps Germany and France. But, that's what Spain can offer you. ;)

Conquest...

You're a little island on the southern tip of the Malay peninsula [no innsult intended...] If you wanted to conquer a neighbor, you'd have to have a lot of help for your state, considering that Malaysia and Brunei [more Malaysia...] are growing economic states.

If anything, I'd stick with the confederation idea, create some kind of economic community in Southeast Asia [I think that there might already be one...]; the European Union started off as the European Community [as an economic partner association] for all of the non-Soviet bloc European states, considering that America's Marshall plan was losing its effect and consumers were buying and selling from Asia and America.

I think your problem would be the market, considering that Asia is still a hot market...

But keeping thinking... China might have something to say as well [if he were here more often...]

Given the growing anti-Australian sentiment in Spain, due mostly to minor jealousy for Australia's African expansions, some sort of ally in the Pacific Ocean can come well to Spain. Note, Spanish Leopard 2Es are beginning to see service with Iran; as are Eurofighters. :) I'm sure a similar program can be extented over to Singapore. Apart from that, Spain doesn't have much to offer, except maybe training aircraft, a new naval helicopter, UAVs, and ships [and few at that]. The rest you may be able to procure off Italy, soon to become Spain's partner in crime, or perhaps Germany and France. But, that's what Spain can offer you. ;)

UAVs and Eurofighters will be nice. So will Leopards, if a proposed deal with Israel for Sabras falls through. As for now, I'll take the Eurofighters and UAVs. Post something up in my thread if you can....besides, I really need to modernize anyway. I'm running off of upgraded Skyhawks here, after all.

BTW, have we RPed together before? I think I know you from my Upper Xen days.

EDIT: Naktan, I think that might be a logical peaceful way to begin....I'll think about it.

I think China would be more worried about Vietnam right now. In any case, I'll drop by your thread.

I think China would be more worried about Vietnam right now. In any case, I'll drop by your thread.

Why Vietnam?

Because you control it as a NPC. :P

Because you control it as a NPC. :P

That doesn't make any sense....elaborate. *death point*

Actually New Dornalia, another option would be to shack up with Japan. I have the resources, the equipment, and a VERY good reason to work with you (Japan needs the Straits of Malacca more than any other nation).

Actually New Dornalia, another option would be to shack up with Japan. I have the resources, the equipment, and a VERY good reason to work with you (Japan needs the Straits of Malacca more than any other nation).

I was just thinking about that. Lemme post up something to that effect on your thread.

I was wondering if I could rp as Turkey in this game.

Yes you could. Turkey will be in the EU.

Yes you could. Turkey will be in the EU.
Turkey wants membership in the EU...but isn't a member to do Anti Turk feeling in most EU member states.

Turkey wants membership in the EU...but isn't a member to do Anti Turk feeling in most EU member states.

Many nations want to be in the EU, in that's why they are being snobbish, but Turkey should be considered in by 2010 at least...

I was just thinking about that. Lemme post up something to that effect on your thread.
Check your TGs. I have a bit of a more elaborate proposal in mind ;)

I was wondering if I could rp as Turkey in this game.
Didn't Cenanan take Turkey? Maybe the Turks would not like being with Bulgaria and Romania...

Perhaps I should merely annex Brunei, then. I'll wait for a mod ruling and Macabees to get back on Malaysia.

So, what of this idea, and then taking Malaysia over later?

So, what of this idea, and then taking Malaysia over later?

If Australia was considered practically godmodding to take on such a poor and weak nation as Somalia with a 35% causality rate for troops in the first month, how can itty bitty tiny Singapore beat Malaysia?

Honestly, do whatever the hell you please as long as it is reasonable, realistic, and respects other players(don't invade them without a reason).

Honestly, do whatever the hell you please as long as it is reasonable, realistic, and respects other players(don't invade them without a reason).

Aka...waiting for a pacific ocean nation to piss Australia off...which could take awhile.

BTW is Tasmania part of Australia? They have been having a big smuggling problem with Tasmania and the authorities are trying to stop it. (Drugs of course)

Honestly, do whatever the hell you please as long as it is reasonable, realistic, and respects other players(don't invade them without a reason).

Thanks...and if I bugged you too much, I really do apologize.

BTW is Tasmania part of Australia?

Yes.

Aka...waiting for a pacific ocean nation to piss Australia off...which could take awhile.

BTW is Tasmania part of Australia? They have been having a big smuggling problem with Tasmania and the authorities are trying to stop it. (Drugs of course)
I dont know. Im not Austrailian, but the last time I checked there wasn't a country called Tasmania.

Sel Appa i need you to look at this http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472150

so I take Turkey is taken already or I can it take?

Turkey isn't taken

I dont know. Im not Austrailian, but the last time I checked there wasn't a country called Tasmania.

Wonderful I can do drugs! XD

I think its part of that CBSS thing...ask Cenanan. The Turks could be pissed at being forced into this and elect a new gov't that withdraws...

Yes, Turkey is taken. its part of the CBSS. Its usually wise to wait for Sel Appa to approve you before taking a country as well. this is something that i learned first hand.

whoops, looks like he's already made a thread. Hope he didn't go based on my information...

whoops, looks like he's already made a thread. Hope he didn't go based on my information...
agh...too late....just disreguard the thead.

If you really want it, Turkey can leave the CBSS.

If you really want it, Turkey can leave the CBSS.
if you would allow, then yeah thanks...buts that's up to you .

go ahead. i'll remove it from the coalition on my page as well.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472254

Some new happenings with Iran, border dispute just got blown up.

go ahead. i'll remove it from the coalition on my page as well.
Thanks alot.

It's up to you..I'm trying to keep a hands-off policy.

SafeHaven2, I added Iran as a possible co-developer of the G.36 MBT, scheduled for release 2019 - more likely around 2021; for further information check Spain's N/D thread. The variant Iran would get would be the G.36.IR, which would feature a lighter tank in general, a torsion bar suspension system [what the Leopard 2 and M1A2 use], as well as other different features as compared to the G.36.A, or the Spanish variant. The I-ties would get the G.36.B. With the Iranians on board the monetary consumation wouldn't rest on the Italians, who are providing most of the money, while Spain is providing much of the engineering. Iran would provide a healthy balance of both - that is, if you're interested.

Sel, I sincerely apologize for bothering you again (I really do!), but here is the thread for Brunei, since I technically control it now....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472264

This looks to be an exciting Rp. I was woundering if I could do he following: have the nations of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan under the name of the New Georgian Republic? The request is odd I know, but they are 3 small nations. The backstory behind the grouping of nations is that around 2007 partially through war, and partially through diplomatic means Georgia took over the other two nations. Is this acceptable?

This looks to be an exciting Rp. I was woundering if I could do he following: have the nations of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan under the name of the New Georgian Republic? The request is odd I know, but they are 3 small nations. The backstory behind the grouping of nations is that around 2007 partially through war, and partially through diplomatic means Georgia took over the other two nations. Is this acceptable?

Are these even nations!?

Yea they are lol

some pics to show you where they are:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/gg-map.gif
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/aj-map.gif

EDIT: I also have interest in the CIS also.

I stand corrected...and wow...they aren't even on my map lol! XD

Does anyone control Albania or Chezkoslovakia, they are both in my sphere of infliuence, and I would like to control those territories to develop them, then set them free. If so, talk to me about it on my thread.

Can anyone help me develop a D/N thread??? =/ HAve no clue what to do.

Roleplaying as Austria.

This looks to be an exciting Rp. I was woundering if I could do he following: have the nations of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan under the name of the New Georgian Republic? The request is odd I know, but they are 3 small nations. The backstory behind the grouping of nations is that around 2007 partially through war, and partially through diplomatic means Georgia took over the other two nations. Is this acceptable?

Iran is currently having a border dispute with Ajerbaijan.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472254

Fortunately, it hasn't gotten deep at all [one post], but it's certainly something you should take in consideration.

Can anyone help me develop a D/N thread??? =/ HAve no clue what to do.

Roleplaying as Austria.


In mine I simply made it a thread index for Spain, and listed divisions and formations of the Spanish Army, aircraft of the Spanish Air Force, and ships of the Spanish Armada. There's also a small section on Spanish diplomacy, although currently it's more or less empty.

Wow...a conflict like that on the border....I find it amazing no WWIII has started yet lol! Shows the real global situation, tense...but not out of control.

My D/N Thread:AUSTRIA

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472273

(thank you The Macabees)

Djibouti

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10549324&posted=1#post10549324

NPC Algeria

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10550132#post10550132

[ooc: Lithuania, did you get permission from Sel Appa to RP Djibouti?]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10542628#post10542628

News and Diplomacy thread for Denmark.

Does anyone control Albania or Chezkoslovakia, they are both in my sphere of infliuence, and I would like to control those territories to develop them, then set them free. If so, talk to me about it on my thread.

Don't know if anyone has talked about this...

Albania is under conflict with Greece [except that Greece has gone into hiding...]

Czechoslovakia does not exist...it's the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and seeing as both countries are on the other side of Hungary, I would strongly suggest against any kind of assimilation project...Seeing as both nations are in the EU [and your nation isn't as strongly developed, it could be provided to initiate a project to strengthen the Eastern European economies [something that I think is already in effect...]...just FYI

NPC Algeria

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10550132#post10550132

[ooc: Lithuania, did you get permission from Sel Appa to RP Djibouti?]

I don't think so because he told him to get his troops out of Djibouti before.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472346
The invasion of Tunisia has begun

Tunisia? WTH IS GOING ON?

Your allowed to attack NPCs, therefore i have invaded Tunisia, i am Italy so its not exactly out of the blue

I hope you don't mind the wrath of the world.

Oh i have evidence that my government will soon present to the world, about how Tunisia is developing WMDs, (Its all lies but its going to be as strong as the argument for invading Iraq)

Unfortunately, indiscriminate warfare hasn't been accepted much by the UN, the EU or the rest of the world.

Your reasons need to be given before, not after.

Unfortunately, indiscriminate warfare hasn't been accepted much by the UN, the EU or the rest of the world.

Your reasons need to be given before, not after.

Yep.

Oh i have evidence that my government will soon present to the world, about how Tunisia is developing WMDs, (Its all lies but its going to be as strong as the argument for invading Iraq)

Even the USA gave reasons for its invasion well in advance of the invasion...indisciminate invasions are not very well tolerated for any reason...

Even the USA gave reasons for its invasion well in advance of the invasion...indisciminate invasions are not very well tolerated for any reason...

France you just got a major problem on your hands! :D
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10551487#post10551487

New Caledonia RP....I assume that france still wants this tiny protectorate.

still wants this protectorate? I assume that Australia has some menacing intentions there...

Why are other people just adding people to their empires when im actually RPing an invasion?

Don't know if anyone has talked about this...

Albania is under conflict with Greece [except that Greece has gone into hiding...]

Czechoslovakia does not exist...it's the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and seeing as both countries are on the other side of Hungary, I would strongly suggest against any kind of assimilation project...Seeing as both nations are in the EU [and your nation isn't as strongly developed, it could be provided to initiate a project to strengthen the Eastern European economies [something that I think is already in effect...]...just FYI

That's kind of what I meant, except in a mutual pact with Yugoslavia. But yeah, you're right, since my economy won't be at it's full potential until 2012.

Why are other people just adding people to their empires when im actually RPing an invasion?

read the whole thread...

I know this might be in breach of the rules, but could i have dispensation to lay down a Montana-Class Battleship thats been upgraded to serve a similar purpose to the Iowas in the modern US navy?

Why not begin researching your own ships though? We're advancing pretty rapidly in terms of technology...at least Australia is doing that.

where would this ship come from?

I would build it in a shipyard, and all of my stuff is too PMT for this RP

and why exactly would you want a battleship? You can just use rockets, bombs, and cruise missles to take out the defenses. Adding 18 inch guns is just overkill

I like battleships, theyre going to be useful, especially with some of the modifications im going to be making, and the montana was going to mount 16" guns