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why did SA declare war on Yemen or w.e?

why did SA declare war on Yemen or w.e?


There was no declaration of war:

Following the Border "Conflict" of May 1998, the border disputes between Saudi Arabia and Yemen were settled. Things were at peace, although the tribes on the Yemen side near Sa 'dah refused to identify the remarked border, the same occuring with a Saudi tribe on the other side.

Both tribes traded words and even threatened violence upon each other. 2 Weeks ago Yemen sent 10 soldiers to watch the border, when 7 days ago the Saudi tribe headed to have another go-around with the Yemen tribe, the Border guards fired upon the Saudi tribe, leaving 6 dead and 2 wounded, who retreated back to the village. Armed with WW2 era rifles, they headed back to the border, and opened fire upon the Yemen border guards, killing 2 and wounding several others before being chased back.

Then, in the next 4 days, Saudi Arabia reported that Yemenise forces had opened fire on Saudi border guards to the West, and had actually attempted the cross the border and take several villages.

The Eurofighters got within range, and unleashed their AAAM's at the Mig-21F's. They watched the missile approach on radar, and watched all 6 impact on the Mig-21's, as their remains fell into the sea. The pilots congratulated each other, and headed back the the airbase.

The Yemen air command center in Sanaa noticed they had lost contact with the Mig-21's, and frantically tried to contact them. After it seemed that they were gone, about 10 minutes later, they concluded that they had been shot down the the Saudi Arabian air force, and ordered several artillery peices to shell the Saudi border. Around a dozen 105mm Self propelled howitzers set up to the East, and began to shell villages and military outposts.

Ya...gonna get flak for that.

There was no declaration of war:

[ooc: who sold you eurofighters?]

[ooc: who sold you eurofighters?]

That's what I would like to know.

That's what I would like to know.

Likewise...

I'd like to reserve Burma and Cambodia as NPCs; one may eventually suffer an intervention against its military government by Thailand, while the other may evolve into a nice and stable constitutional monarchy and become a minor power. See if you can guess which is which!

I'd like to reserve Burma and Cambodia as NPCs; one may eventually suffer an intervention against its military government by Thailand, while the other may evolve into a nice and stable constitutional monarchy and become a minor power. See if you can guess which is which!

[Cambodia becomes the monarchy and Burma the military intervention...France has very friendly ties with Cambodia...be nice to them :D]

Right on the first guess! Cambodia's doing fairly well (in RL) for a state that only 30 years ago was in the middle of a genocide. Nobody really remembers that one, now do they? Thailand will indeed play nice with them...

opinion questions:

-should we have a nobel committee?

-should we start a NATO thread?

-should we start a thread for any other organization that is pertinent to this thread?

-what happened to the olmypics?

Right on the first guess! Cambodia's doing fairly well (in RL) for a state that only 30 years ago was in the middle of a genocide. Nobody really remembers that one, now do they? Thailand will indeed play nice with them...

I should know...I'm France :D

Hey guys, with all the inactivity with major arms exporting nations, I was woundering if the guy who RPs China is still active. I want to buy soem Type 99s from him untill I get a new MBT.

Hey guys, with all the inactivity with major arms exporting nations, I was woundering if the guy who RPs China is still active. I want to buy soem Type 99s from him untill I get a new MBT.

not recently.

If Sel hadn't said he's keeping the China Guy, I would have taken it instead of the US...

Hey guys, with all the inactivity with major arms exporting nations, I was woundering if the guy who RPs China is still active. I want to buy soem Type 99s from him untill I get a new MBT.

China is soft touch for God; God loves him dearly and will protect China to the last angel in heaven.

Right on the first guess! Cambodia's doing fairly well (in RL) for a state that only 30 years ago was in the middle of a genocide. Nobody really remembers that one, now do they? Thailand will indeed play nice with them...

I actually did a term paper on Democratic Kampuchea and Pol Pot for my Political Science class.

Then is there any way for me to get my tanks then?

Then is there any way for me to get my tanks then?

not really...

Who is currently the UK, i need a link to their thread(I thought it had changed hands since the last update)

Who is currently the UK, i need a link to their thread(I thought it had changed hands since the last update)

The link is on the first post of this thread. :) And he hasn't responded in a while, although he said he would.

opinion questions:

-should we have a nobel committee?

-should we start a NATO thread?

-should we start a thread for any other organization that is pertinent to this thread?

-what happened to the olmypics?

yes

yes

maybe

ehm, somebody needs to organize them?

Solved NATO...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10578301

Just read this thing again:

This needs to go here...

USA News and Diplomacy thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473127

Here's an important thread:

Ma'aseh Naqah (Operation Cleanse) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473206)

Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473206

Naktan
where is Sel Appa?
he spoke along time ago that the USA was available because No Taxes was there.
Do you still need someone? I volunteered a while ago.
I am willing

Kyanges is USA.

America is already taken I believe.

And he is the Georgian Republics D/N thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10580626#post10580626

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473246

Malaysian N/D. It's finally here.

Nice. Oh and ND, it appears as if I can fight in Dynamis and post on NS at the same time.

BTW...just to reiterate, Australia plans to be out of Somalia by 2016 (the year extension as a result of Saudi Arabia)

Nice. Oh and ND, it appears as if I can fight in Dynamis and post on NS at the same time.

BTW...just to reiterate, Australia plans to be out of Somalia by 2016 (the year extension as a result of Saudi Arabia)

[ooc: well, this declaration is nice...where's the plan? Because that last thread you showed me was a thread said that Australia would consider withdrawal after 2015... just a curiosity because if Australia is intent on withdrawing, they wouldn't mind a UN peacekeeping force arriving in Somalia to help ease the withdrawal and ensure order and free and fair elections in the country...]

FYI to all, UN resolution is on the floor on the exploitation of space and the apparent necessity to curtail efforts to commercialize or militarize space [although the military one is already in order...].


Go here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581408&posted=1#post10581408)for the resolution voting...

OOC: THIS IS AN IC REPLY FOR SOMALIA.
IC:
Australia to Leave Somalia by 2016

Current Operations in Somalia
Remove Warlords
Stop terrorist attacks from Somalis
Reestablish the Somalian Border
Replace Mogudishu as the capital and center of the Somalian Government
Modernize Somali with western goods

Currently 30,000 Australian Troops are stationed throughout Somalia they are the overseer's of the project by Australian businesses and industrial factories. The plan is to rebuild Somalia as a powerful nation, complete with full electricity and water availibity to all citizens. The project includes a total social and welfare revamping.

120 Hospitals
12 Power Plants (Coal/Gas Powered)
Reconstruction of 4,000,000 homes and businesses
Laying down 1,800,000 miles of wire
Digging in 800,000 miles of sewage/water systems
Clearing 400,000 hexacres for farming
Paving 250,000 miles of road

Another operation is to purge bacterial sources from lakes and rivers to make them drinkable, this operation is expected to last 5 years. The plan is to make the water in Somalia safe to drink without the threat of water-borne sickness the currently plagues the people. Since the troops moved into Somalia the problem has been largely quelled with mass distribution of water purifiers and pumps that would allow the impurities to be removed easily. Such operation had an economic boom on the Australian market which was the sole producer of water purifers, so much so that the companies stock rating increased by fourteen times as 4 million units were ordered from the military to aid in Somalia. These water purifers are being paid for by Somali's that are currently helping to rebuild their shattered nation. The production of water purifiers started three years prior to the invasion along with Australia's movement to Somalia with Operation Humanity. Such interests helped to boost Australian businesses and their economic power with such demand of equipment.

The purification of the rivers is helped largely by building cleansing plants. The water purifiers will be completed in 2012 that will completely make Somalia's water supply safe and accessable as soon as the sewage/water system is completed. Somalias are currently funding this project on the side with the Australian military as this is one of the most potential life-saving operations in Somalia to fix the problem of water-borne illness and provide farms with plenty of safe water to grow plants and crops. The removal of the diseases will largely reduce the medical costs and problems of the Somali people on the largest and most viewable short-term scale that is being seen every day. What used to be brownish or dank water is now clear blue and the Somali's like the ablity to produce their own clean water from dirty water.

The engineers that are currently over seeing the operation, upgrade and functioning Somali power plants report a 20% increase in efficent production of power. The energy demands currently met the needs of Somalia in the past, but the next operation have put major strain on this and thayt is why twelve additional power plants began construction two years ago and they are just coming online now to give Somalia a massive power supply that is able to be sold to nearby countries to actually begin the restoring process in nearby Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti. Australia is currently suggesting that power be sold for little charge or no charge to the countries, until things in Somalia pan out. The energy grid for Somalia is only 30% complete, but by 2015 it will be completed.

Businesses in Somalia are largely run by Australians and the key export of Somalia is becoming a huge success. Agriculture is showing a massive boom, with the previous two years harvests being over 500% more successful and profitable for Somalia. Farmers were worried that the crops might be too plentiful and would reduce cost, but they agreed to subsidizing the farm to sell the food to starving Somalis and a business. This agriculture business is highly successful and is making many villages profitable by feeding the cities. Already there has been a 40% reduction in the cases of mal-nutrition as food becomes plentiful and cheap across Somalia.

Australia's troops are aiding in setting up medical facilities until the hospitals are completely supplied and stocked.While the demand of the troops is overwhelming the ability to care for the Somali's diseases is dire, so dire that the new medical students of Somalia are allowed to begin practicing medicine and surgery and care of patients with only four months of training. These are specifically met to the current issues at hand. Malnutrition, sickness, disease and other forms of bacterial illness. The current system is that medical officers of Australia identify what the probable illness is and sends the sick person to the specific doctor to be healed in the area that they are suited to. Medicine is a big problem, antibotics are being heavily abused and are being taken when not needed. Other patients are unable to recieve the medicines they need as a result of others infront of them that need the pills. The medical part of Operation Humanity is severely lacking and if Australia was not under trade embargos, would be able to procure the medical supplies they so dearly need. Australia has been providing stainless steel knifes and medical equipment to Somali hospitals, but sterlization of the tools is not often done, most are rinsed with purified water before surgeries and examinations, but this is a drawback of the influx of patients that are coming to the hospitals.

The Education System proposes by Australia is severely lacking and as a need to have more skilled workers in Somalia, the military is currently offering courses and information to Somali's on how to teach others, it is hoped that by 2017 that the beginning of a national school system is going to be run by the Somali government. Though this process is a long one, Australia is assured that it cannot care for this sector completely and is relying heavily on the local government to make this happen.

The reconstruction of housing is a joint effort by the proper government and the Australian government to meet the demands of the cities, which have been severely abused in recent years. Ever since the fall of the Somali government in 1991, the proper maintaince and operation, construction and care for the buildings have been up to the people that occupied them. In many cases the housing of the cities is inadequet and must be torn down and rebuilt, though the conditions may be bad, the livablity of the buildings still stands and only severely damaged buildings are being torn down and rebuilt in small economic sizes with non-descript cookie-cutter features.

The labor provided for the housing effort, much of the same along with the agricultural, medical, engineering, educational, law enforcement, and services is being provided largely by the Somali's with local governments at the head of the decision making process, except for areas of Somaliland and Puntland, which are under control of the military.

The Transitional Federal Government consisting of a 275-member parliament was established in October 2004 of Mogudisho is currently at the center of Australian and Somalian plans to fix the nation. The unicameral government is the primary driving force for repairs of Somalia. Although an interim government was created in 2004 other governing bodies continue to exist and control various cities and regions of the country, including the self-declared Republic of Somaliland, Australia's forceful removal of the twin nations within Somalia has made the hand of the Transitional Federal Government powerful.

Australian military officals can only help keep the peace and oversee the operation of the Transitional Federal Government that is currently being overwhelmed and is trying to grab full control of the northern parts of Somalia.

There is talk of placing the former Prime Minster Dishu at the head of a democratic party with the cabinet members made of the clans in a form of democratic/federalism style government. Australia only encourages that Prime Minister Dishu be made head of Somalia as his record to keep Somalia under control has been successful. Australia will not attempt to remove Prime Minister Dishu from his position and believes that Somalia will recognize the leader as the proper ruler of Somalia.

Australian troop removal will commence at 2012 will a steady reduction of 10,000 troops by 2013. These troops will lower the amount stationed in Somalia from 40,000 to 30,000 after the Dome of the Rock issue is solved.

In 2013 a proposed reduction of an additional 5,000 troops is being heard of. This is depending largely on Somali's ability to take charge of itself with Dishu at the head. Although Dishu promises he will not back down from Australian aid and businesses, he wishes the troops leave even if their is severe problems as long as they do not threaten the Federal Government.

In 2014, another 10,000 troops are expected to return home, dropping the total number of troops in Somalia to just 15,000. This is largely do to the military's optimistic response to Dishu wanting to get Somalia under control, by 2014 the military believes that a large part of troops will not be needed to secure Somalia.

In 2015, all 15,000 troops are expected to return home by 2016, as economic aid to Somalia is continued, but the established law enforcement and central production of the country is transferred back into Somalia. Somalia will be its own sovereign nation will a direct tie to Australia as an ally and economic trade partner for many decades to come.

Safehaven, do you know genticon moved the dome of rock ?

Safehaven, do you know genticon moved the dome of rock ?

Ya, I'm writing up something for Hezbollah now. I guess I'm probaly not going to follow through with my threat of an official war, but I'll see to it that I force him to start one, thats if the other nations around him don't first.

OOC:Australia is backing Israel on their movement...just read the whole thread to make sure you understand what happens. (They are not touching the grave..but moving the whole structure to a new location)

Argentina forum on http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10566701#post10566701

What is going on in Isreal?

If a UN coalition is coming in there to protect, I can pledge the 4th air division from the mrovince of Kosovo. :D

I think we should open up new threads to show what that country is exporting. A trading thread, where other countries come and check what they want to buy, or trade. Tell me what you think of the idea. If enough people like it, I can open up mine very soon.

Isn't that automatically done?

If I could have The Kingdom of Sweden please.

[ooc: seeing as there is UN resolution that currently sends peacekeepers to Israel, there is no coalition, except by the will of those nations wanting to help in the matter...

we really should have a thread dedicated to monitoring the trade and economics of the countries...although I haven't been that active in purchasing other technologies and relying on French industry to build it for ourselves...but that's me...I know there's a whole bunch of uranium fuel being traded around for trash [never thought I'd say that...] so we should be monitoring it...]

Well, I think it should be up to the nations to open up trade, so I had started a new thread. It will be on the Jugoslavian thread which can be found on the front page. To see how I've done the tradign thread click here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10582290#post10582290here

If I could have The Kingdom of Sweden please.

I think that we're still closed at the moment, but TG Sel Appa and we'll see about, especially since I don't believe anyone has asked for Sweden...

Oh well I pedge the 4th Orao Air Division to head from Kosovo to Jeruselam, if anyone attemptes to invade.

[ooc: seeing as there is UN resolution that currently sends peacekeepers to Israel, there is no coalition, except by the will of those nations wanting to help in the matter...

we really should have a thread dedicated to monitoring the trade and economics of the countries...although I haven't been that active in purchasing other technologies and relying on French industry to build it for ourselves...but that's me...I know there's a whole bunch of uranium fuel being traded around for trash [never thought I'd say that...] so we should be monitoring it...]

OOC: Its only the ore, which is 2-3% pitchblende. Meaning he has maybe 30 pounds worth of pure uranium.

This is just annoying the crap out of me. Can someone please take China again, and make it DO something? The way China's moving right now, it won't be a power at ANY time in the future. (May have something to do with me being Chinese, but lol, whatever.)

Heck, I'd take the reigns for a little while. But I've got the US, so that might make some people nervous. Though I swear, I'd try and do a good job. Everyday, all I look up on the news is stuff going down in SE Asia. (BBS + RSS feed = Happy Kyanges. ^_^.)

(OOC: Yeah, I really need to get into that. Here's a rare opportunity. Nations of the world, what do YOU think the Unites States should do?)

The United States should be the United States...

About China...he has never been really active, and Sel Appa has a special place in his heart for Communisticturkeys, so there is a very little chance that China will change at all...if it were up to me, China would have been out for inactivity a long time ago...and China is important...

OOC: Same here. I need China to RP with Vietnam, because of the ties that go on between the nations, but nothing else will work really. So my NPCs are really lacking now.

Yeah...Come on guys... No one's looking...

*Mad Dash for China Controls.*

MINE!!!!! Lol.

God is looking :D

God is looking :D

*Watches as Sel descends from the sky backed by the Sun's shine. Kung Fu Form ready.*

No!!! You can't take it away from me!! My PRECIOUS!!!

Seriously...I do want to do something with China. That Taiwan issue, US/China, US and India vs China, US and India and Japan vs China thing isn't just going to go away.

*Watches as Sel descends from the sky backed by the Sun's shine. Kung Fu Form ready.*

No!!! You can't take it away from me!! My PRECIOUS!!!

Seriously...I do want to do something with China. That Taiwan issue, US/China, US and India vs China, US and India and Japan vs China thing isn't just going to go away.

You're such fanboys...nekoshounen fanboys!

You're such fanboys...nekoshounen fanboys!

Don't make me bring out the RL knowledge I have on your past fetishes...

*Smirk, Snicker*...Fanboy! O.O

Lol, now you see how much more fun NS is without all the bickering? Lol.

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SHUT UP! NOOOOOO! NEKOSHOUJO FANGIRLS ARE MINE! NOOOOO Fetishes! MINE! MINE MINE MINE! Australia may not have anime...but America does! (in relation)

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SHUT UP! NOOOOOO! NEKOSHOUJO FANGIRLS ARE MINE! NOOOOO Fetishes! MINE! MINE MINE MINE! Australia may not have anime...but America does! (in relation)

Heh...

Squirm!!

CSJ The aussies want the second largest anime convention in 2011! Let's make those Americans pay!

http://pantransit.reptiles.org/images/2000-02-20/t_girl12.jpg

Or we'll miss these moments:
http://www.animearcadia.com/comics/16.gif

An Anime Convention Sponsered by Japan/Australia for Fans....Called Neko-con! Can we do a IC thread about this? :O

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SHUT UP! NOOOOOO! NEKOSHOUJO FANGIRLS ARE MINE! NOOOOO Fetishes! MINE! MINE MINE MINE! Australia may not have anime...but America does! (in relation)

Well, ummm, Jugoslavia has guns and genocide :D

Oh dear...so many posts to read...YAY! the boards are fixed! Maybe it was just a display issue and not a deletion issue. But now...so much to read and I have no time today. I should be able tomorrow. In the meantime, all the mods can run everything and Naktan is obviously my temporary replacement.

HEY!!! CAN THE 2010 FIFA World Cup Tournament be held in Sarajevo?

PLEASE?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

We never got the chance to host it, France and Germany host it like always :mad:

Oh dear...so many posts to read...YAY! the boards are fixed! Maybe it was just a display issue and not a deletion issue. But now...so much to read and I have no time today. I should be able tomorrow. In the meantime, all the mods can run everything and Naktan is obviously my temporary replacement.

Ones posted before the restore was deleted I think.

HEY!!! CAN THE 2010 FIFA World Cup Tournament be held in Sarajevo?

PLEASE?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

We never got the chance to host it, France and Germany host it like always :mad:

It's 2011...too late.

Look, here's the stadium http://www.saray.net/biennial2001/Sarajevo/Photo/images/SA50.jpg

It's 2011...too late.

Damn, how about 2014

I CALLED IT!!!

CSJ The aussies want the second largest anime convention in 2011! Let's make those Americans pay!


An Anime Convention Sponsered by Japan/Australia for Fans....Called Neko-con! Can we do a IC thread about this? :O

That gives me an idea...

Oh dear...so many posts to read...YAY! the boards are fixed! Maybe it was just a display issue and not a deletion issue. But now...so much to read and I have no time today. I should be able tomorrow. In the meantime, all the mods can run everything and Naktan is obviously my temporary replacement.

Can you Accept ZMI/Doc/Zep for sweden, look up his previous Rp's, they are amazing, i can assure you.

Australia may not have anime...but America does! (in relation)

There's Aussie otaku. Not many though.

That gives me an idea...

America will simply sit back and laugh as the rest Australia oogles over Anime, and stop making babies. (Seriously, too many Otaku in your population = no babies, lol.)

>.> Uh oh! International Conventions!?
Just put all the anime fans on an island and watch them turn our dreams into reality....provided they have funding.

Neko-girls...giant robots....robot girls....Space weapons...alien weaponry.....everything!

>.> Uh oh! International Conventions!?
Just put all the anime fans on an island and watch them turn our dreams into reality....provided they have funding.

Neko-girls...giant robots....robot girls....Space weapons...alien weaponry.....everything!

No.

No.

Seconded. Already did it with the Real Anime Liberation Movement, my only operating MT Faction at this point. And it nearly started a world war on the first few weeks....

Notice Russia and USA: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10582875#post10582875

Oh dear...so many posts to read...YAY! the boards are fixed! Maybe it was just a display issue and not a deletion issue. But now...so much to read and I have no time today. I should be able tomorrow. In the meantime, all the mods can run everything and Naktan is obviously my temporary replacement.

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!

scheisse...

Anybody want to RP Morocco?

Guys, i really suggest we move this to an offsite forum(Like World at war), ease in finding the actual threads, appointed mods and admins, and ease to find the other people... And it could be set up very, very easily.

Mac if you need I'll RP has Morocco. Just give me stats, outcome, ect, ect.

Guys, i really suggest we move this to an offsite forum(Like World at war), ease in finding the actual threads, appointed mods and admins, and ease to find the other people... And it could be set up very, very easily.

Umm no....Earth II is still here!

Can we NOT call the Mods mods. If you remember the friendly post from the REAL Moderaters?

Umm no....Earth II is still here!

Can we NOT call the Mods mods. If you remember the friendly post from the REAL Moderaters?

It would be easier in another forum... but it's cool here too. It's up to Sel.

So I'm not a mod... I'm a Arbiter... :p

Guys, i really suggest we move this to an offsite forum(Like World at war), ease in finding the actual threads, appointed mods and admins, and ease to find the other people... And it could be set up very, very easily.

I emphatically agree... except by God's command shall France commence this great task! In the mean, I submit this list of good reasons why it should be done...

1- It's ours for free!!! [if you get the right places...]
2- We can set up the rules and moderate the threads much more easily!
3- There is a less chance that people will intrude on it without first consulting the OOC thread here [need I give any hints?].
4- If one of the servers crashes, we have an immediate backup.
5- God actually has control over what stays and what doesn't stay in the forums.
6- Did I say it's for free?
7- Some sites allow a direct upload of pictures for easier use of pictures [I use pics on my PC, so I have to post them on my nation's forum before I can post them on this forum...]
8- There's less clutter from other threads on the forum.
9- A new forum can take a lot more traffic than a frequently used forum.
10- Happiness sprouts from new threads because it's so nice and clean :).
11- In many cases, new forums make it easier to appoint moderators, regulate the forum with administrator options, and exactly see who's being active and for how long.
12- Did I mention the free part?
13- Some sites ship you free beer for signing up [yum...:p...although honestly, I wouldn't drink it...not old enough and not stupid enough to drink unknown beer in a stale container...].
14- Going in part with the controls, if someone goes FUBAR!!! or SCHEISSE!!!, you can have options to make it FLOWERS!!! or SUNSHINE!!! [although I really like to say scheisse anyway, so please don't do that...].
15- There's so many other reasons that I won't mention because they're more lame than some mentioned here, but really, the good reasons serve themselves very well :). If not for any of them, for all of them :).

I'm all for staying on good ole jolt. ^-^

You got some nice points Naktan... I'll back a move for sure.

I emphatically agree... except by God's command shall France commence this great task! In the mean, I submit this list of good reasons why it should be done...

1- It's ours for free!!! [if you get the right places...]
2- We can set up the rules and moderate the threads much more easily!
3- There is a less chance that people will intrude on it without first consulting the OOC thread here [need I give any hints?].
4- If one of the servers crashes, we have an immediate backup.
5- God actually has control over what stays and what doesn't stay in the forums.
6- Did I say it's for free?
7- Some sites allow a direct upload of pictures for easier use of pictures [I use pics on my PC, so I have to post them on my nation's forum before I can post them on this forum...]
8- There's less clutter from other threads on the forum.
9- A new forum can take a lot more traffic than a frequently used forum.
10- Happiness sprouts from new threads because it's so nice and clean :).
11- In many cases, new forums make it easier to appoint moderators, regulate the forum with administrator options, and exactly see who's being active and for how long.
12- Did I mention the free part?
13- Some sites ship you free beer for signing up [yum...:p...although honestly, I wouldn't drink it...not old enough and not stupid enough to drink unknown beer in a stale container...].
14- Going in part with the controls, if someone goes FUBAR!!! or SCHEISSE!!!, you can have options to make it FLOWERS!!! or SUNSHINE!!! [although I really like to say scheisse anyway, so please don't do that...].
15- There's so many other reasons that I won't mention because they're more lame than some mentioned here, but really, the good reasons serve themselves very well :). If not for any of them, for all of them :).


I actually just made a forum for it, as long as you guys are for it, i will activate it..

Yes, I'm for it so I can finally join. :)

Seeing as to my knowledge, China is very inactive, perhaps we should have a new one? *looks at the one China issue, then looks at taiwan* yes thats me noobs

I actually just made a forum for it, as long as you guys are for it, i will activate it..

Where do you host it? And will that make you the admin? I think we need to wait for Sel to create it.

Yes, I'm for it so I can finally join. :)

That shouldn't have any bearing on the matter, if Sel says we're full its cause he said it not Jolt.

Seeing as to my knowledge, China is very inactive, perhaps we should have a new one? *looks at the one China issue, then looks at taiwan* yes thats me noobs

Can't... that's a personal friend of Sel's... China cannot belong to anyone else.

yea this should be moved

Where do you host it? And will that make you the admin? I think we need to wait for Sel to create it.

Its PHBB, and yes, i am currently the admin. But if he approves using it i will make him another Admin, and the current Moderator's here Mods. I wont interefere with him being god though, just updating the appearance, forums and stuff, he would handle the most of it though(Appointing moderators, ban's, exct)

I have a feeling if we moved to your board it'd crash in 3 days from overkill of bandwidth usage. >.>

I dont like the idea of moving to an off-site board with RPs in progress, it will disjoint them horribly.

Since Hanseatic isnt around does anyone have any objection to me making Tunisia to surrender? They cant hope to prevail against me.

Since Hanseatic isnt around does anyone have any objection to me making Tunisia to surrender? They cant hope to prevail against me.

No objection here... you should be able to bulldoze them.

Han has been around....just not the time you been on for. I know, cause I have a uranium deal going around.

yeah... Asbena what the hell are you planning to do with all that trash you get for uranium?

I dont like the idea of moving to an off-site board with RPs in progress, it will disjoint them horribly.

Since Hanseatic isnt around does anyone have any objection to me making Tunisia to surrender? They cant hope to prevail against me.

[ooc: I think that Han thinks that you already made your move and hasn't done anything about it since because of that...I don't know...]

Im calling the surrender of Tunisian forces, add it to my territory please

yeah... Asbena what the hell are you planning to do with all that trash you get for uranium?

Turning it into oil and natural gas!

Im calling the surrender of Tunisian forces, add it to my territory please

Surrender? Addition? GOD, WHERE IS MY WHIPPING BELT?!?

I believe its the shiny red button in your war room. You know...the one that has the picture of a 'Nuke' on it. Sel will deal with this when he reads it I bet.

wth?

I believe its the shiny red button in your war room. You know...the one that has the picture of a 'Nuke' on it. Sel will deal with this when he reads it I bet.

[ooc: do you really believe the French call it a "war" room? :D]

!!!NOTICE!!!

I WILL BE LEAVING TODAY FOR COLORADO FOR A SKI TRIP. I WILL BE GONE FOR 2 WEEKS WITH MY FRIENDS. I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN GET ON A COMPUTER THERE, BUT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, I WILL BE INACTIVE FOR THE NEXT 2 WEEKS. NAKTAN, WILL YOU RP JUGOSLAVIA WHEN I AM GONE? PLEASE, NOBODY ATTACK ME FOR NO REASON, OR SAY THAT THE REBELS ATTACKED YOU AND YOU BLAME IT ON ME.

!!!NOTICE!!!

As soon as "further notice" occurs and a country becomes open, I'd like to join in on this.

Mac if you need I'll RP has Morocco. Just give me stats, outcome, ect, ect.

Stats; don't have any. :( I tried looking for accurate sites, and there aren't even innaccurate sites. There's only one site, and that's Wikipedia, that has something on the Royal Moroccan Airforce:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Moroccan_Air_Force

I believe the Moroccans use a mix of M1A1s, M1A2s [?], and probably older western tanks as well - M48s, M60s, et cetera. Their ground forces are considerably larger than their navy and airforce. I've RPd it as a Spanish general has met with a Moroccan general, guaranteeing the surrender of 10% of the Moroccan army in the north [whatever is under his command] - you can follow through with that, or not, it doesn't really matter. I was just trying to recreate the American and Iraqi Republic Guard deals and such.

!!!NOTICE!!!

I WILL BE LEAVING TODAY FOR COLORADO FOR A SKI TRIP. I WILL BE GONE FOR 2 WEEKS WITH MY FRIENDS. I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN GET ON A COMPUTER THERE, BUT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, I WILL BE INACTIVE FOR THE NEXT 2 WEEKS. NAKTAN, WILL YOU RP JUGOSLAVIA WHEN I AM GONE? PLEASE, NOBODY ATTACK ME FOR NO REASON, OR SAY THAT THE REBELS ATTACKED YOU AND YOU BLAME IT ON ME.

!!!NOTICE!!!

ok...will do...eekkkkkk, this will be interesting...I'd ask what kind of state did you leave it for me to take over, but you're probably already gone...

As soon as "further notice" occurs and a country becomes open, I'd like to join in on this.
Vulture!

Dont worry Nektan,i got schiess in their too, as a censor for the american word XD

Resdyn should get a nation....like the Maldives. ^-^

I was actually considering Peru. Where the **** are the Maldives?

EDIT: Oh yes - then I could pull off a million-man army on a small island - and then invade Somalia for kicks.

I was actually considering Peru. Where the **** are the Maldives?

EDIT: Oh yes - then I could pull off a million-man army on a small island - and then invade Somalia for kicks.

[ooc: too late; it's been done, except with a bigger island :p]

[ooc: too late; it's been done, except with a bigger island :p]

OOC:It's a CONTINENT! Not an island! :P Though I don't even have 50,000 troops in Somalia at the moment! Hopefully 0 by 2013 if the UN decides to help.

OOC:It's a CONTINENT! Not an island! :P Though I don't even have 50,000 troops in Somalia at the moment! Hopefully 0 by 2013 if the UN decides to help.

(OOC: I hope you've read the resolution that we're voting on. Not by 2013. Now.)

A total pull out in 2 years (well really less) is not reasonable? What is this then!?

First we have the forum problems, then my computer dies for two and a half days, and now I have all this to read. Jeez. Way too much going on here :p

Well for a few things that need to be noted:
since it's been an issue, anyone in the JSF program will get the planes in the scheduled delivery once full scale production starts. You don't need to have US permission for this or additional orders as you're contributing to the overall program.
The clincher: full rate production is not slated until 2015. Even the US will only have a few hundred at that juncture. No one else will have anything other than test aircraft prior to that.


As far as I go, I'm thinking of going for Indonesia and the Philippines as NPCs. I'm not too particular on it, but might as well make it official.




Singapore and Thailand. Your future plans can be folded into my own. Which are as follows (in very general terms):
2012: Finish peacekeeping in Indonesia, begin in New Guinuea and Philippines. Begin trades with Australia, primarily for access to OTH technology
2013: Announce formation of Asian economic and military alliance encompassing Indonesia, Japan, Philippines, Singapore, and Brunei, possibly a few others as desired. Eventual goal being to draw all nations into a single economic, political, and military bock with Japan at the center.
2020: Finish first tier economic and military expansion/upgrade, including Australian OTH radar systems and making hydrogen fuel cells the primary power source for many ships and most ground vehicles.
2025: Supplant China as major up-and-coming economic superpower
2030: Finish second tier military upgrade

Possibilities: expanding alliance, supporting expansion of allies using other pretenses. Retaking Kurile islands (peacefully or militarily), staying predominantly neutral in most wars, while profitting from them.





As far as moving the RP to another board goes, they could be very good, and I would support a move if decided.

As far as moving the RP to another board goes, they could be very good, and I would support a move if decided.

I actually have the board up and running, i just need Sel's final descision first.

@CSJ:

I understand the JSF thing. Hence the reason why I've said before, the world isn't getting exactly what they think. Yet, anyway.

On that plan of yours. Full speed ahead!

OOC: Australia's action in Somalia will help Australia have a super-inflated GDP from businesses and contracts we will settle for in Somalia. Though CSJ we need the nuclear (battery) reactors similar to that for Gaglena. Do I need to buy that from the government or from the corperation?

The major problem with moving the RP to another board is that it's guaranteed to die if you do so. You can't advertise on NationStates, meaning new membership is nullified, and as people leave, you can't replace them. That's how W@W died.

Ya. Keep it here.

OOC: Australia's action in Somalia will help Australia have a super-inflated GDP from businesses and contracts we will settle for in Somalia. Though CSJ we need the nuclear (battery) reactors similar to that for Gaglena. Do I need to buy that from the government or from the corperation?
Technically, it's from the corporation, but the way things appear to be done, I do have control over it. However, regardless, I'll start delivering some to you in 2012, and also announce a larger-scale unit (150 MW) that will see more use as a replacement for the many fading power plants around now.

OOC: They have a 30 year duration of use. The 10 MW ones would be retired, but we'll get the 150 MWs from the thread, how much are you going to charge? The 10 MW ones were going to be 20 million per unit.

I was thinking bumping up the price (you know how that always happens :p ). I'm looking at probably $25-30 million for the small ones, and probably ten or twelve times that for the big ones.
And I didn't mean the big ones replacing the little ones, I meant the big ones replacing existing large reactors, many of which should be going offline. The little ones were designed for a niche market in the first place. A very large market, yes, but a niche one just the same.

OOC:The company though is selling for $20 million...and it would be expected to fall as production increases/continues, not go up. Australia HAS put into this company before you took over to, so we helped provide the funding for it. ^-^

Singapore and Thailand. Your future plans can be folded into my own. Which are as follows (in very general terms):
2012: Finish peacekeeping in Indonesia, begin in New Guinuea and Philippines. Begin trades with Australia, primarily for access to OTH technology
2013: Announce formation of Asian economic and military alliance encompassing Indonesia, Japan, Philippines, Singapore, and Brunei, possibly a few others as desired. Eventual goal being to draw all nations into a single economic, political, and military bock with Japan at the center.
2020: Finish first tier economic and military expansion/upgrade, including Australian OTH radar systems and making hydrogen fuel cells the primary power source for many ships and most ground vehicles.
2025: Supplant China as major up-and-coming economic superpower
2030: Finish second tier military upgrade

My problems with this:

-Japan has not yet revoked Article 9, and cannot effectively do anything with something called a "military" -your re-writes just go around that, not actually saying Japan can build a military force [Japan only has police for its self-defense and even that's sketchy according to Article 9]

-There already exists an organization with that purpose [ASEAN]

-Japan doesn't have the manpower to supplant China as a major economic power by 2025 [unless the China does something stupid, like a reversion to Maoist policy]

-China will vehemently oppose any attempt by Japan to form a military alliance, threatening with anything that it can afford [unless the China player is acting out of policy...]; granted, they might allow an alliance, but it might come with a cost still...

---You're forgeting that Japan has a lot of near neighbors [China, Korea, Taiwan, even Russia...] who don't trust Japan with a military - you've got to fix Article 9 and your Chinese relations before you can step up to the ambition plate, which is laudable by the way...no military take-over whatsoever...

OOC: Australia's action in Somalia will help Australia have a super-inflated GDP from businesses and contracts we will settle for in Somalia. Though CSJ we need the nuclear (battery) reactors similar to that for Gaglena. Do I need to buy that from the government or from the corperation?

LMAO, you think that your going to get massive business from a third-world country that you have taken over too quickly? Not only will you not get bussiness there for a matter of years, but almost everyone and their brother is armed with an AK-47 down there. Your going to have a hell of a time keeping the natives from shooting a hole threw that Big Mac you just ordered.

You do also relize that you cannot have 0% unemployment? No nation has that. I'm sick and tired of hearing you rant about how great the Aussie economy is. And how you have to actually import workers just to keep up. Dont make me laugh, the nation with the greatest economy in the world, the U.S., still has problems with unemployment and actually deports illegal immigrants who go there and work for lower wages than the expected average. The U.S. has massive booming industries in almost any sector. What do the aussies have? Tourism?

There is no way in hell that Austrailia will have such a super economy by even 2020. At best, your economy would be better than it is now, and maybe, maybe similar to the southwest region of the U.S.

Listen, before you start to RP a nation, especially when it is so close to RL, do your homework and actually think for a change. Do you homework and learn about your nation. Not just treat it like any other NS holding.

My problems with this:

-Japan has not yet revoked Article 9, and cannot effectively do anything with something called a "military" -your re-writes just go around that, not actually saying Japan can build a military force [Japan only has police for its self-defense and even that's sketchy according to Article 9]

-There already exists an organization with that purpose [ASEAN]

-Japan doesn't have the manpower to supplant China as a major economic power by 2025 [unless the China does something stupid, like a reversion to Maoist policy]

-China will vehemently oppose any attempt by Japan to form a military alliance, threatening with anything that it can afford [unless the China player is acting out of policy...]; granted, they might allow an alliance, but it might come with a cost still...

---You're forgeting that Japan has a lot of near neighbors [China, Korea, Taiwan, even Russia...] who don't trust Japan with a military - you've got to fix Article 9 and your Chinese relations before you can step up to the ambition plate, which is laudable by the way...no military take-over whatsoever...


One problem.... Sel's happy tree friend owns china and isnt at all active.

My problems with this:

-Japan has not yet revoked Article 9, and cannot effectively do anything with something called a "military" -your re-writes just go around that, not actually saying Japan can build a military force [Japan only has police for its self-defense and even that's sketchy according to Article 9]

Actually, Japan has quite a military, espacially it's navy, it's just prevented from striking beyond it's borders. Hint, Japenese Self Defense Force.

One problem.... Sel's happy tree friend owns china and isnt at all active.

I would agree...

Actually, Japan has quite a military, espacially it's navy, it's just prevented from striking beyond it's borders. Hint, Japenese Self Defense Force.

the only army that Japan has is its national police [SDF]... as per Article 9:

Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. 2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

Japan has no real effective army, navy, or air force... strike that, and Japan is free to going on reverting its forces into a military.

Naktan and USSNA are wrong.

Japan hosts one of the best Navy's in the world. Its army is small, but decently trained. While its air-force is lacking, it will be probably the first with F-22's. (in real life BEFORE ANY OTHERS)

Japan HAS a military, do not say they don't. Its very well done to.

USSNA..Australia has less then 2% unemployment for us. The US has like 5-6% unemployment. Australia's GDP per Capita is $30,000 and this is 2005 information. Australia's unemployment is much lower the USA's. Northern Somalia is under OUR military control for the time being. We destroyed those two weak nations.

Australia has much use for Somalia. Producing supplies, technologies, military defenses, many of our exports are very profitable and combined with Somalia turning into our ally under Dishu, Australia will have a boosted GDP along with Somalia which will no longer be a third-world nation nor an anarchy. Somalia will take 20-30 years to improve to that status as a 2nd-world nation.

For clarification, oil production, natural gas exports (which is a big business), computer chips, computers, Metal Storm technology, mining, industrial and transportation equipment, food processing, chemicals, steel, uranium and the fourth/fifth gen TDP plants.

Australia has an enviable Western-style capitalist economy, with a per capita GDP on par with the four dominant West European economies. Rising output in the domestic economy, robust business and consumer confidence, and rising exports of raw materials and agricultural products are fueling the economy. Australia's emphasis on reforms, low inflation, and growing ties with China are other key factors behind the economy's strength.

CSJ - As for your plans, Thailand will certainly be interested in working with you...

-snip-

Where do you get this information from?

Australia's unemployment is much lower the USA's.

(OOC: But your population is also much, much smaller than the US's.

Something about your stated plans just don't sit well with me. I'm not sure what exactly because I'm terrible with hard figures and facts, but your plan just makes me want to gag. Somalia would not follow the Australian's lead. Simple as that. You can't just invade a nation, build it up a little, put up a leader you endorse, leave them a crap load of military hardware that not one of them have experience with, and then expect them to suddenly be able to be powerful ally. It just doesn't work like that. Plus, I'd expect Somalia under this direction to be a second class nation in 200 years, not 20-30...)

Japan is prohibited from building an aggressive military, but they are allowed the defense force. Japan's defense is also clearly outlined that America will protect them.

Which is why North Korea is a big threat to American safety, the missiles may not hurt us or get to us, but one shot on Japan forces America into a war.

Naktan and USSNA are wrong.

Japan hosts one of the best Navy's in the world. Its army is small, but decently trained. While its air-force is lacking, it will be probably the first with F-22's. (in real life BEFORE ANY OTHERS)

Japan HAS a military, do not say they don't. Its very well done to.

If you're willing to call a police force a "military," go ahead...

If you're willing to call a police force a "military," go ahead...

You are quite stubborn.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/jda.htm

And also quite wrong.

To be technical, they call it a self-defence force. Thus, it's not legally allowed to fight aggressive war; there was some minor controversy over their deployment of ships in support of the US-led efforts in Afghanistan and their later deployment of non-combat troops to Iraq.

If you're willing to call a police force a "military," go ahead...

(OOC: That's just it. It's really a police force in name only. Just take a look into what their Navy (The only part of their SDF I respect some.) is equipped with, and who they train regularly with. You'll see, they're a force to be reckoned with. Think of it, if it were simply a "police force", why the heck would it be deployed to Iraq? Why doesn't China bully Japan around some more? How come the US bothers to build Japan up as a counter weight to China if all it had was a police force?

Their Army I'm not too sure about though, and IMO, their air force is severely lacking in offensive capability due to downgraded equipment. CSJ can help much here.)

They have over 200,000 in their Self-Defense force. Hardly not a military?

Japan is POWERFUL they have 320 combat aircraft in the air froce. 146 Major surface combat vessels another 179 airplanes for the navy and 135 helicopters.

he Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) had an authorized strength of 46,000 and maintains some 45,800 personnel and operates 146 major combatants, including twenty one submarines, fifty-five destroyers and frigates, thirty-three mine warfare ships and boats, nine patrol craft, and nine amphibious ships. It also flys some 179 fixed-wing aircraft and 135 helicopters. Most of these aircraft were used in antisubmarine and mine warfare operations.

Oh sure.....that's NOT A MILITARY!? Its more then Australia has in their entire military several fold!

240 aircraft is not that impressive, South Korea has more in it's arsenal.

They have over 200,000 in their Self-Defense force. Hardly not a military?

Japan is POWERFUL they have 320 combat aircraft in the air froce. 146 Major surface combat vessels another 179 airplanes for the navy and 135 helicopters.



Oh sure.....that's NOT A MILITARY!? Its more then Australia has in their entire military several fold!

(OOC:
-This just goes to show your line of thinking. Numbers don't determine military strength. It's equipment that counts!

-Australia isn't exactly a shining example of military strength. I'd call that a bad comparison.

EDIT: Unsupported claims.)

You are quite stubborn...And also quite wrong.

Seconded. If Japan has a police force, then its a pretty farkin' big police force, with a pretty farkin' big naval and air arm, no matter how you slice it. It is still a Self-Defense Force, but it has not changed the fact that though denied aggressive war, it's still huge.

That's not that impressive considering that that's all that they have in the first place...French police units are relatively equally equipped as well, except for the navy - didn't think that destroyers and submarines would be considered defensive...

(OOC:
-This just goes to show your line of thinking. Numbers don't determine military strength. It's equipment that counts!

-Australia isn't exactly a shining example of military strength. I'd call that a bad comparison.

EDIT: Unsupported claims.)

The Mitsubishi F-2 is quite impressive.. Armywise they Type 90 is pretty capable, and its other systems are up to par with most western nations.

[EDIT] Actually, i wouldn't consider a force that operates Main Battle Tanks and Missile systems a police force.

The Mitsubishi F-2 is quite impressive.. Armywise they Type 90 is pretty capable, and its other systems are up to par with most western nations.


-I always felt that it was a troubled program, and Japan doesn't have many of them anyway. I should have rephrased, numbers aren't everything, but having too few of anything decreases its effectiveness.

-For their army, I had their level of professionalism, and training under question.

-I can't really comment on their other systems.

EDIT: Agreed.

Well...its pretty apparent that Japan has a military. (which was my point of drawing the claim and it was supported with the Iraq one...which further put it to a point) Glad to point that out. Go Japan!

Well...its pretty apparent that Japan has a military. (which was my point of drawing the claim and it was supported with the Iraq one...which further put it to a point) Glad to point that out. Go Japan!

(OOC: I meant I made an unsupported claim. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...)

The Mitsubishi F-2 is quite impressive.. Armywise they Type 90 is pretty capable, and its other systems are up to par with most western nations.

[EDIT] Actually, i wouldn't consider a force that operates Main Battle Tanks and Missile systems a police force.

The French gendarmie is not a police force then?

call it what you may, it's a police force...

even granting that this is a military of some sort [their navy is perhaps too militarized to follow the constitution, but it's their constitution...], you still have to deal with Article 9, which prohibits the maintenance of a military. If they want to go out and get in with all of these military arrangements, that has to be stricken...otherwise, they're empty...

Naktan and USSNA are wrong.

Japan hosts one of the best Navy's in the world. Its army is small, but decently trained. While its air-force is lacking, it will be probably the first with F-22's. (in real life BEFORE ANY OTHERS)

Japan HAS a military, do not say they don't. Its very well done to.

USSNA..Australia has less then 2% unemployment for us. The US has like 5-6% unemployment. Australia's GDP per Capita is $30,000 and this is 2005 information. Australia's unemployment is much lower the USA's. Northern Somalia is under OUR military control for the time being. We destroyed those two weak nations.

Australia has much use for Somalia. Producing supplies, technologies, military defenses, many of our exports are very profitable and combined with Somalia turning into our ally under Dishu, Australia will have a boosted GDP along with Somalia which will no longer be a third-world nation nor an anarchy. Somalia will take 20-30 years to improve to that status as a 2nd-world nation.

For clarification, oil production, natural gas exports (which is a big business), computer chips, computers, Metal Storm technology, mining, industrial and transportation equipment, food processing, chemicals, steel, uranium and the fourth/fifth gen TDP plants.

Actually Australia has over 5% unemployment as per 2005. Source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#Econ

This is almost exactly the same as the United States figure. In fact the U.S. is .1% smaller. And while the GDP per capital in Australia is around $30,000 yes, the American GDP is near $41,800 Source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html#Econ

This is also interesting reading from the CIA Wolrd Factbook: The impact of drought, weak foreign demand, and strong import demand pushed the trade deficit up from $8 billion in 2002, to $18 billion in 2003, $13 billion in 2004, and $16 billion in 2005

And yet you are still able to build massive fleets and fund a large military buildup in a faraway hostile nation. Funny eh?

And while you may control Somalia, you should expect heavy retaliation. Just like the United States controls Iraq, it is still a very unsafe place. No business would ever set up large operations there. You also have the task of educating the population, installing basic sanitation and electricity, solve food problems, deal with hostile warlords, and rebuild a nation torn by for well over 30 years. And that is just to name a few.

Actually Australia has over 5% unemployment as per 2005. Source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#Econ

This is almost exactly the same as the United States figure. In fact the U.S. is .1% smaller. And while the GDP per capital in Australia is around $30,000 yes, the American GDP is near $41,800 Source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html#Econ

This is also interesting reading from the CIA Wolrd Factbook:

And yet you are still able to build massive fleets and fund a large military buildup in a faraway hostile nation. Funny eh?

And while you may control Somalia, you should expect heavy retaliation. Just like the United States controls Iraq, it is still a very unsafe place. No business would ever set up large operations there. You also have the task of educating the population, installing basic sanitation and electricity, solve food problems, deal with hostile warlords, and rebuild a nation torn by for well over 30 years. And that is just to name a few.


When talking to Asbena, please make it clear that you've read what he plans to do, then counter it. More than half the time, this will cut down on a lot of bickering about "morons", not having read posts, "morons"...)

He does intend to deal with those things. It's just that he expects everything wayyy too fast. In the mean time, I maintain that it will take at least 100, to 200 years for Somalia to get back on its feet in the fashion that Asbena wants it too.

USSNA....you are offically a NOOB

One.....what large fleet!? We have barely anything more then we should have by 2011 with the exception of extra Tubruks and suppliers. Civilian ships make for crappy defenses.

Somalia is not in full hate of us! They WANT to be unfied, that's the thing. Only the two states up north are against it and rule....well used to. Read the threads and catch up.

USSNA....you are offically a NOOB

One.....what large fleet!? We have barely anything more then we should have by 2011 with the exception of extra Tubruks and suppliers. Civilian ships make for crappy defenses.

Somalia is not in full hate of us! They WANT to be unfied, that's the thing. Only the two states up north are against it and rule....well used to. Read the threads and catch up.

They WANT to be unified. WITHOUT Australia.

When talking to Asbena, please make it clear that you've read what he plans to do, then counter it. More than half the time, this will cut down on a lot of bickering about "morons", not having read posts, "morons"...)

He does intend to deal with those things. It's just that he expects everything wayyy too fast. In the mean time, I maintain that it will take at least 100, to 200 years for Somalia to get back on its feet in the fashion that Asbena wants it too.

100-200 years to become unified and a second-world state!? Maybe 100-200 to fix the social problems....but not the country.

My problems with this:

-Japan has not yet revoked Article 9, and cannot effectively do anything with something called a "military" -your re-writes just go around that, not actually saying Japan can build a military force [Japan only has police for its self-defense and even that's sketchy according to Article 9]

-There already exists an organization with that purpose [ASEAN]

-Japan doesn't have the manpower to supplant China as a major economic power by 2025 [unless the China does something stupid, like a reversion to Maoist policy]

-China will vehemently oppose any attempt by Japan to form a military alliance, threatening with anything that it can afford [unless the China player is acting out of policy...]; granted, they might allow an alliance, but it might come with a cost still...

---You're forgeting that Japan has a lot of near neighbors [China, Korea, Taiwan, even Russia...] who don't trust Japan with a military - you've got to fix Article 9 and your Chinese relations before you can step up to the ambition plate, which is laudable by the way...no military take-over whatsoever...
Fine. Last change. If you don't accept it now, I'm going to say just let it be. It's minor semantics, and since everyone should be able to understand the gist of what I'm saying, you have no real reason to refute it. I don't like word games or political BS, and have been trying to avoid it, so please save the nit-picking in these areas for someone else. If there was something truly wrong, I wouldn't mind, but just going after the wording is not what I consider good form. Not when the other party doesn't want to go that far into it.


ASEAN is not that strong an alliance. It was meant as a curtail against communism, but later became one against Chinese expansion. however, ASEAN, by the current RP year, would actually be incapable of significantly curtailing China, and would certainly be well behind economically (China has over twice the GDP of all the ASEAN members combined, and over twice the average growth rate to boot). China could become powerful enough to seriously threaten ASEAN by 2015, and even Japan could be in trouble by 2030. Japan wants to get these nations together, and form a single entity that would actually be more than capable of standing up to China even beyond that time frame. It will be much less hindered in the decision-making process than ASEAN, and would involve programs to improve the militaries and economies of all those nations. The true goal is to become the preeminant economic superpower.


I know this. Japan has pretty much maxed its GDP, and it isn't growing much beyond the inflation rate now. As I ween them off oil imports, it will go up, but not by that much. Japan will be exceeded by China by 2025, 2030 at the latest, no matter what I do, unless I incorporate other nations into the fold. That's, of course, where the alliance and other nations come in, particularly Indonesia. With help, Japan can create a block that can easily match China in every way. They do intend an empire eventually, but they're choosing peaceful means because it's a much better path than violence, especially in the current political climate.


China can be curtailed at this juncture. They don't have the power to do all that much just yet and they know it. They're too reliant on imports, particularly technology, and are getting a lot of electronics from Japan. Any measures they could take would actually hurt their economic growth and help us in the long run. It might even lose them access to some western military technology. Russia, right now, is looking for help anywhere it can get it. If Japan plays nice there, they won't complain too much. Though, to be honest, I'd have liked a chance to have some talks with China or the Koreas, but it was not to be. I will RP a huge sh**storm if I ever end up with Japanese troops on the Asian mainland though. Actually, that's why I'm working with Indonesia specifically. If I help them a bit, they could become an extension of the SDF for continental operations in the future (I'd be crazy to put my soldiers where the Chinese can see them. For now, alliances with Thailand and Singapore can hold the fort.
As for the alliance, with how I intend to play it out, they probably can't object too much, at least not until it's too late.



I have been working this out for some time now. I'd like to see some more obstacles thrown in to spice it up, but I have so many plans and contingencies that I can get around most predicted problems without too much trouble.

100-200 years to become unified and a second-world state!? Maybe 100-200 to fix the social problems....but not the country.

Then wtf is up with your 20-30 year figure?


Australia has much use for Somalia. Producing supplies, technologies, military defenses, many of our exports are very profitable and combined with Somalia turning into our ally under Dishu, Australia will have a boosted GDP along with Somalia which will no longer be a third-world nation nor an anarchy. Somalia will take 20-30 years to improve to that status as a 2nd-world nation.

Or did you forget posting that?

When talking to Asbena, please make it clear that you've read what he plans to do, then counter it. More than half the time, this will cut down on a lot of bickering about "morons", not having read posts, "morons"...)

He does intend to deal with those things. It's just that he expects everything wayyy too fast. In the mean time, I maintain that it will take at least 100, to 200 years for Somalia to get back on its feet in the fashion that Asbena wants it too.

My point exactly. He expects to get huge returns from Somalia, but he will actually lose money on if for decades.

~snip~

What are your thoughts on China's current ideas to try and turn the SCO into some kind of political force?

They WANT to be unified. WITHOUT Australia.

>.> Read my plans...

USSNA....you are offically a NOOB

One.....what large fleet!? We have barely anything more then we should have by 2011 with the exception of extra Tubruks and suppliers. Civilian ships make for crappy defenses.

Somalia is not in full hate of us! They WANT to be unfied, that's the thing. Only the two states up north are against it and rule....well used to. Read the threads and catch up.

I guess I got my hopes up. I thought that be responding with reliable and known sources that you could do something else, other than name calling. I was wrong. You see, while you are calling me a noob, you ignored the fact that you are the one using large bold letters in a forum in responce to a responce that counted your post in a logical manner. Now tell me who the noob is.

>.> Read my plans...

For the billionth time, I HAVE, and they DON'T WORK WITHIN YOUR TIMEFRAME.

That is quite honestly simply one of the biggest problems many other nations have with your plans imo.

Yay! Entertainment, AND its free. Who needs to watch movies?

For the billionth time, I HAVE, and they DON'T WORK WITHIN YOUR TIMEFRAME.

That is quite honestly simply one of the biggest problems many other nations have with your plans imo.

To fix the nation? What's wrong with it? Though we have high expectations we know it won't be all done in 20-30 years...we just want them to have a GDP per capita of $1000-2000 more >.>

I know this. Japan has pretty much maxed its GDP, and it isn't growing much beyond the inflation rate now. As I ween them off oil imports, it will go up, but not by that much. Japan will be exceeded by China by 2025, 2030 at the latest, no matter what I do, unless I incorporate other nations into the fold. That's, of course, where the alliance and other nations come in, particularly Indonesia. With help, Japan can create a block that can easily match China in every way. They do intend an empire eventually, but they're choosing peaceful means because it's a much better path than violence, especially in the current political climate.

Was your earlier comment stating an attempt to avoid being passed or what? I'm confused now...

And I think you're starting to see the problem with Article 9, and all of the politicking dealing with it...quite honestly, Japan has long benefitted from Article 9 [key word, benefittED]. Without any huge military to eat at the GDP, Japan could invest a whole bunch in industry, trade, research, technology, and education... and consider that if you don't intend to use a military, why expand what forces you have right now?

And Asbena, I've probably said 3000000000 times: your economy has no ability to afford all of the "improvements" in Somalia...20-30 years is rather too optimistic to have a second-rate country, especially after a conflict, starting on nothing, little resources to employ and educate its people, and all of the whatnot you've been planning [which honestly is a horrible plan that would actually leave Somalia poorer, because most of the excess wealth would be syphoned to Australia through their business contracts, the military projects, and even just the simple fact that no Somali businesses or entreprises are encouraged]. Furthermore, there remains the influence of all of this on your economy. You've just gotten trade embargos from some of your largest importers and exporters [USA, Singapore]; you're managing a fleet of civilian vessels across an entire ocean with the supporting logistics for a ground force in a land that is thousands of miles of away...you should be worried about your country rather than Somalia...

Oookay, if you know that it won't be done within 20-30 years, then why did you respond like this.

100-200 years to become unified and a second-world state!? Maybe 100-200 to fix the social problems....but not the country.

To my statement of this:

...I maintain that it will take at least 100, to 200 years for Somalia to get back on its feet in the fashion that Asbena wants it too.

???


EDIT: With regard to Naktan's post: Seconded.

A note on the Japanese Self Defense Forces:
The Maritime Self Defense Force is without a doubt one of the top 5 most powerful navies in the world. One could argue for it being second, after the US.
The Air Self Defense Force actually has closer to 360 combat aircraft (460 if you include P-3s). It is in fact one of the largest modern air forces in the world, and stacks up well against even the best that Europe has to offer. Again, this is easily one of the 5 best, and might be able to vie for the #2 slot due to the numbers of modern, effective aircraft (to be 340 by 2010). They also only fall below the ROK air froce in numbers. In terms of combat capability, they exceed it by a fair margin due to a far greater proportion of modern aircraft (2/3 of the ROKAF are F-4s and F-5s!).
The Ground Self Defense Force is a garrison force, not to be confused with a police force. Its role is to stop outsiders, but it has done a lot of disaster relief for lack of anything better to do, and to further public relations. However, it has modern equipment and some of the highest spending per soldier of any nation, again easily in the top 5.

Japan today does not have the capability to operate beyond its own borders without help, but it certainly does have a military that's fully deserving of the word, even if it's often not used. Calling it something else doesn't keep it from being what it is.

A note on the Japanese Self Defense Forces:
The Maritime Self Defense Force is without a doubt one of the top 5 most powerful navies in the world. One could argue for it being second, after the US.
The Air Self Defense Force actually has closer to 360 combat aircraft (460 if you include P-3s). It is in fact one of the largest modern air forces in the world, and stacks up well against even the best that Europe has to offer. Again, this is easily one of the 5 best, and might be able to vie for the #2 slot due to the numbers of modern, effective aircraft (to be 340 by 2010). They also only fall below the ROK air froce in numbers. In terms of combat capability, they exceed it by a fair margin due to a far greater proportion of modern aircraft (2/3 of the ROKAF are F-4s and F-5s!).
The Ground Self Defense Force is a garrison force, not to be confused with a police force. Its role is to stop outsiders, but it has done a lot of disaster relief for lack of anything better to do, and to further public relations. However, it has modern equipment and some of the highest spending per soldier of any nation, again easily in the top 5.

Japan today does not have the capability to operate beyond its own borders without help, but it certainly does have a military that's fully deserving of the word, even if it's often not used. Calling it something else doesn't keep it from being what it is.


I really don't know anymore...the navy is too militarized to be a simple maritime force - the air force is likewise heavily equipped... there seems to be an error of interpretation when Japan began to build this force, because it says that "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained." To me, wielding a fleet of destroyers and attack submarines is not permissible if your binding legal document says that you cannot maintain it [unless it so happens that another country maintains the navy and air force for Japan, which doesn't make sense in the first place...].

I don't know...perhaps a "military" force...perhaps not... I don't know if it's better to say that I'm now a skeptic of the Japanese constitution... but that aside, if Japan already has this kind of a force built up, why is there such a huge debate in Japan about revoking the article? it doesn't make sense...

I really don't know anymore...the navy is too militarized to be a simple maritime force - the air force is likewise heavily equipped... there seems to be an error of interpretation when Japan began to build this force, because it says that "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained." To me, wielding a fleet of destroyers and attack submarines is not permissible if your binding legal document says that you cannot maintain it [unless it so happens that another country maintains the navy and air force for Japan, which doesn't make sense in the first place...].

I don't know...perhaps a "military" force...perhaps not... I don't know if it's better to say that I'm now a skeptic of the Japanese constitution... but that aside, if Japan already has this kind of a force built up, why is there such a huge debate in Japan about revoking the article? it doesn't make sense...

Exactly. Now ask yourself why Japan still tries to say that China is a threat.

On a seperate note:
Just took a look at Romania's thread. While there's been all this talk of Australia, I think we're letting one get away right under our noses here.

Railguns and exo-skeletal suits? And something about getting the rail gun plans from me?! (As the US, and secretly of course.) I don't think so. Anyone else want to venture out and say something?

Just took a look at Romania's thread. While there's been all this talk of Australia, I think we're letting one get away right under our noses here.

Railguns and exo-skeletal suits? And something about getting the rail gun plans from me?! (As the US, and secretly of course.) I don't think so. Anyone else want to venture out and say something?

I've already told him that he can't have the research potential to have that technology at this time...I generously gave 2020...it's probably longer...

Some other people have commented on it...

Exactly. Now ask yourself why Japan still tries to say that China is a threat.

If they've already gotten this large of a maritime and aerial force, why bother revoking the article? It's alrerady been broken! I can see why China has been getting upset with Japan and their militarization plans...

BTW didn't Sel say that he'd be on today?

If they've already gotten this large of a maritime and aerial force, why bother revoking the article? It's alrerady been broken! I can see why China has been getting upset with Japan and their militarization plans...

Lol, in a sense, they've only stretched it. It holds a lot of symbolic value for one thing. If that article goes completely, then nearly everything changes. (Not the same, but similar to the idea of Taiwan being a seperate country.)

Japan will have no bars to go on deploying their military world wide, not have to worry about whether or not their troops are deployed into "combat zones", etc.

That's a big deal.

BTW didn't Sel say that he'd be on today?

Yeah... I thought he did too.

Railguns and exo-skeletal suits? And something about getting the rail gun plans from me?! (As the US, and secretly of course.) I don't think so. Anyone else want to venture out and say something?

The United States isn't the only nation currently testing railguns. Railgun technology is available for further testing and even moderate use in countries such as France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Switzerland and Spain.

The United States isn't the only nation currently testing railguns. Railgun technology is available for further testing and even moderate use in countries such as France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Switzerland and Spain.

I'm aware of that. But Romania?

And as a note, the biggest issue I have with his program, I posted in his Romania thread.

Yea. so.. instead of bashing me here.. why not come to my thread and do it. the one i'm paying attention to while playing WoW.

Exoskeletons? its a basic form. just enhances the users strength.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_powered_exoskeleton
research started in 2009. we have a prototype. that means. the poor SoB is plugged into the wall. no power source.

Railguns have been delt with between the US and myself.

Cybernetics? already happened
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/05/INDUNCAN05.DTL this was 2 years ago. the tech is being studied across the world as its a major benifit to mankind. My country has done nothing that other countries has not done first. I'm just the one talking about it.

Japan and China:
They don't just hate each other, they have this habit of see-sawing power. Right now, China is growing quickly and would gladly invade Japan if it thought it could 1) succeed and 2) get away with it. It wants the same expansion that Japan did in the 1930s, but for different reasons. The leadership, if not the people, of both nations believe that they have the right to inherit the role as leaders of the world. A confrontation of some sort is almost inevitable. The thing is they're both very patient, and it might not be for a few decades.


On the self-defense forces. While extremely powerful, much of Japan's navy was based around countering the Russian submarine threats, which meant a lot of destroyers and frigates. They also had a decent air defense force to counter Russian bombers. Not worth sending a whole attack against a single ship or two, but they can keep you from getting in missile range of major targets. An outer picket if you will. Now, there's emerging submarine threats from China, and their air defense destroyers are getting SM-3s so they can act as a first-tier defense against Chinese and North Korean ballistic missiles. And, of course, China's building up a more modern and capable sub fleet.
On the Air Self Defense Force, the purpose was originally to counter Soviet bombers. They were thus made up primarily of F-4s to provide a capable interceptor. Now, they look acroos the sea at the massive air force China maintains, and is improving at a decent rate, and know they need to be able to beat it.
In both of these, the threat has shifted from Russia to China, but they're still up against a very large and very powerful opponent that warrants that force. The Ground Self Defense Force is the most downsized for just that reason. In fact, one could argue that several entire commands are obsolete with the end of the Cold War and the elimination of the threat of a Soviet invasion via the Kurile Islands.

I'll also say this again. China is spending a phenominal amount on building up and modernizing its military. And its long term goals are to be able to match, and eventually exceed the US in regional capability. If that happens, Japan, and many Southeast Asian nations, will be threatened. They see this, and are planning for it. China has disputes, whether they be hot or simmering, with almost all of its neighbors, and will gladly take the chance to settle them if it can.

Yea. so.. instead of bashing me here.. why not come to my thread and do it. the one i'm paying attention to while playing WoW.

Exoskeletons? its a basic form. just enhances the users strength.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_powered_exoskeleton
research started in 2009. we have a prototype. that means. the poor SoB is plugged into the wall. no power source.

Railguns have been delt with between the US and myself.

Cybernetics? already happened
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/05/INDUNCAN05.DTL this was 2 years ago. the tech is being studied across the world as its a major benifit to mankind. My country has done nothing that other countries has not done first. I'm just the one talking about it.


Seen and heard of both. Have magazines, and seen TV shows. Yet, I never heard Romania mentioned once in any of those programs, which lead me to doubt the speed at which you were claiming to make these things happen. I'm personally ok with most things you've done now, just so long as you bump up the time taken to develop them some. Simple as that.

hell. the exoskeleton (essensially just armor) and cybernetics would not be out of prototype phase for at least 5 more years. even then it would still be first gen tech. faulty as all hell.

Just because Romania or bulgaria isnt mentioned in there.. in game time.. thats 5 years ago.

heh.. its not like i've gone and invaded a country or anything ^.^ i'm just putting alot more time and energy into R&D Instead of expanding my military.. taking over countries.. ruling the world. I mean yea.. I'm trying to invite more countries into the CBSS to increase my power base (Hungry and Greece) but i'm not doing it militarily. i'm doing it politically and diplomaticly

I was wondering if it would be possible to still join?
I would Join as Colombia if it is indeed possible.

I'm not sure... I thought I heard someone say you could if you arent a n00b with like one post, but wait for Sel Appa or Naktan

spizania, look at the NATO room. Im trying to help, but it maybe helpful if you speak.

USSNA....you are offically a NOOB

One.....what large fleet!? We have barely anything more then we should have by 2011 with the exception of extra Tubruks and suppliers. Civilian ships make for crappy defenses.

Somalia is not in full hate of us! They WANT to be unfied, that's the thing. Only the two states up north are against it and rule....well used to. Read the threads and catch up.

THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BEFORE YOU OCCUPIED THEM

USSNA, you have just received the insult of all insults - being called a n00b by him. :P Just kiding?

I was wondering if it would be possible to still join?
I would Join as Colombia if it is indeed possible.

Wait for Sel...he posted the moratorium on new additions, and I don't know if it's ended yet...

heh.. its not like i've gone and invaded a country or anything ^.^ i'm just putting alot more time and energy into R&D then expanding my military.. taking over countries.. ruling the world. I mean yea.. I'm trying to invite more countries into the CBSS to increase my power base (Hungry and Greece) but i'm not doing it militarily. i'm doing it politically and diplomaticly

For the last time, could we PLEASE drop the world-conquest schemes?

Do you carry a chip on your shoulder for me or something? I said was trying to increase my power base. Not take over the world. Sheesh

Do you carry a chip on your shoulder for me or something? I said was trying to increase my power base. Not take over the world. Sheesh

It wasn't a direct reference to you...

It was an indirect reference to everyone who has those kind of plans...and besides that, you did mention it...

I dont see why somebody would want to take over the world in this game.. I mean.. who would you play with then? you would have just one huge rp thread thats all you talking to yourself. that would suck.

I dont see why somebody would want to take over the world in this game.. I mean.. who would you play with then? you would have just one huge rp thread thats all you talking to yourself. that would suck.

true dat...

although I do have plans for the Middle East *grins evily and rubs his hands together* :p



But seriously... it would be no fun if someone tried to take over the world. (Although an America or China might be able to pull it off... but highly unlikely even for them)

But for a country that is smaller... it would be impossible. Plain and simple. And no fun.

A new Union... the CSAU:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473499

Hey Sel, (or anyone for that matter)...

Can you update the world maps and Blocs?

We need a full update of the front page:

whether or not we can accept mew players,
the new members that are not on the list [there are a few...],
the blocs and alliances that were nominally created [NATO, CSAU, etc...], and
as Geneticon said about the maps and stuff...

I won't be on for much of the rest of the day, so if I get the time in between, I'll try to do the world map update, but I'm not making any guarantees...

UK has railguns as well, and will be using them in Fusion experiments.

this is true.. railguns are used for fusion experiments. not much else has the power to fire atoms together like that.

Poland is officially announcing the creation of the modern space shuttle. We have building for the last 5 years shuttles, satellites, r&d bases, and launch sites. We also are close to completing our first space station. In the future we will build a science post orbitting earth. We will be launching in 2012. Poland, hopefully with the EU, will be the first nation in years to return to the moon. In 2020 we hope to have built the first outpost on the moon. We will lead the human race into space.

OOC:if anyone has seen armageddon that is our type of space shuttle. Would someone like to make a new "space race" thread?

Well?

EDIT: And yes, I know you said it's closed to noobs, and yes, based on my # of posts, I would qualify as one. (But heck, look at Asbena's number of posts, and ask yourself if it matters that much) I actually do have some experience with RPing prior to Nation States.

EDIT 2: Spelling

You are absolutely pathetic. I've done much larger RPs and done them much better. Australia is a little unwieldy, but other then a few mistakes and understandings I have a pretty good Rep.

See the Markhalls one....just for one.

Sorry guys, I've been real busy lately and now I have like 50 pages to read. :(

Welcome Back ^.^

I feel your pain SA, I'm back and have 49 pages to read, ah screw it i'll pick it up.

I feel your pain SA, I'm back and have 49 pages to read, ah screw it i'll pick it up.

A brief summery:

ZMI wants Sweden, some guy wants Peru, Discussion of moving the RP to a seperate forum (Which i have up and running) random crap between Asbena and naktan about anime, and a few other discussions not directly related to anything. Israel has moved the dome of rock and is under attack from Lebense risistance, and is being shelled by rebels with weapons supplied by Iran, Tunisa imperilsm, more arguing with Australia about everything, NATO thread and several other events.

It was Kyanges and New Dornelia lol! It seems that the Saudis want war with everyone and Italy is still being weird.

Wierd? Well of course i am, im always weird :D

The Saudis don't want war with Spain. :)

It seems that the Saudis want war with everyone

Hardly. Besides the current Yemen border war i am not fighting anyone, or trying to start a war(After YOUR Fleet refuesed to accept my message)

The Saudis don't want war with Spain. :)

And they don't want to hurt Singapore, either.

I'm so confused... lol

Asbena cannot have cold anything...neither can anyone else. The nations I said are more likely to get it first and wouldnt until 2020 or so. As much as I'd like to boot Asbena...I just cant do it and it doesnt seem that fair.

Could someone update me...I really have no patience to read 20 pages of boring argument posts. Specifically world events. I will be reading some of the other threads though and the Russian election results will be in soon...

You were here for Austrilia invading Somalia.. so i'll skip that. We got a New US player. Embargo's have been placed against austrilia by said new players and members of the EU.

Italy invaded tunisia or something like that. Facing UN embargo's or something from the UN and EU. its under debate.

NATO was finally set up. discussions have been going on there.

A new alliance was formed between Israel, Austrilia and the CBSS (so far)

um.. South africa is expanding.

Yugoslavia went on a 2 week hiatus for skiing.

CSJ and myself agree, Blueberry pie is great and so is pumpkin.

Israel moved the Dome of rock and invaded lebanon. the dome has made it all the way to saudi arabia but we have not heard anything sense for some reason.

I have also embargoed them. Not too bad though.

To MAcabees...what is going on with the Basques these days(In game I mean)....I have future plans for them that involves a huge change in the world...wont be until 2025-30 though.

Could someone update me...I really have no patience to read 20 pages of boring argument posts. Specifically world events. I will be reading some of the other threads though and the Russian election results will be in soon...

I have already set up a offsite forum for the RP, Nektan and Genticon said they support it, but would have to ask you about moving it(The RP)

To MAcabees...what is going on with the Basques these days(In game I mean)....I have future plans for them that involves a huge change in the world...wont be until 2025-30 though.


Largely decapitated during the coup. Phillip simply sent his troops in to kill what they could. It was largely fasciliated by an attempt to gain independence during the coup, meaning targets became more conventional. They still exist, of course, but not in sufficient numbers to make a big impact, and the campaign against ETA has not just intensified, it was magnified in terms of what weaponry is being used against them. In other words, it's like the Chechnya conflict, only without flattening civilians as well [although I'm sure a civilian has died here and there].

Asbena cannot have cold anything...neither can anyone else. The nations I said are more likely to get it first and wouldnt until 2020 or so.
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/4/19
not to contradict "GOD" but.. cold plasma is already being studied for use in the way that he's using it ingame... he Has been researching it for a while.. and its not a military use. it really doesnt have any military uses currently and is pretty useless for power production.

Thats just what I read online about it.. its really just a better way to clean things of bacteria.

I'm so confused... lol

Asbena cannot have cold anything...neither can anyone else. The nations I said are more likely to get it first and wouldnt until 2020 or so. As much as I'd like to boot Asbena...I just cant do it and it doesnt seem that fair.

Could someone update me...I really have no patience to read 20 pages of boring argument posts. Specifically world events. I will be reading some of the other threads though and the Russian election results will be in soon...

Cold Plasma is viable by 2011. It's a poor defensive weapon on vehicles (and kinda stupid on missile and bombers) so we've put it back to its CURRENT use. As a sterilization process for food, medical and cleaning. There should be no fighting of the use of this. It tingles if you put your hand in the field, and it kills bacteria in seconds to minutes.

CSJ made the weapon comment and saved me another 10 years of experimenting on it....so in short F-that, Cold Plasma is taking the clean happy route. (Sadly the stuff is already in USE but for cleaning only.)

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/4/19
not to contradict "GOD" but.. cold plasma is already being studied for use in the way that he's using it ingame... he Has been researching it for a while.. and its not a military use. it really doesnt have any military uses currently and is pretty useless for power production.

Thats just what I read online about it.. its really just a better way to clean things of bacteria.


Fusion is being studies, and has been studies since before the 80s, but most likely we won't see it until ~2050. The same argument could be used against cold plasma; in fact, I really don't see it as effective before the same year.

.. we are not talking about fusion. cold plasma is just a method to kill bacteria. its already in use in Modern (2006) times. to make things clear. this is NOT a weapon. this is NOT fusion. this is NOT a power plant. its just a way to make sure things like surgical instruments and such are decontaminated.

Just to note, the link that i gave there was from research being done in Your current location of San diego. 3 years ago.

http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/7/4/19
not to contradict "GOD" but.. cold plasma is already being studied for use in the way that he's using it ingame... he Has been researching it for a while.. and its not a military use. it really doesnt have any military uses currently and is pretty useless for power production.

Thats just what I read online about it.. its really just a better way to clean things of bacteria.

Yay for Cen! (Posted 1 min earlier then me) Though don't forget this technology has already been in research for 60+ years and has been in use for about 40 of them. Its used for computer chip manufactoring and other processes.

The ONLY military application I can think of....is a water purifier to kill micro-bacteria and other little problems, but the efficenty of it is utter crap compared to distillation processes. Naturally we can slap it into decontaintaimation vehicles and deal with biochem attacks...though it would take a long time and won't work if its already inside of you. Surprisingly easy way to break down that crap. HOWEVER! I have to put at least 1-2 years research into it to make sure it works before I can use it ICly.

(Just to test frequencies and power needed to fry the bacterias like anthrax and sarin, what would be a usually easy process will take about $10-20 million in research if I use already existing facilities and samples for it.)

Fusion is being studies, and has been studies since before the 80s, but most likely we won't see it until ~2050. The same argument could be used against cold plasma; in fact, I really don't see it as effective before the same year.

Cold Plasma has been in use for over 40 years. Only recently is the portablity and scalable technology being created to bring the size down to make it viable. The research that is known about the steralization is over 10 years old to. So its not far-fetched.

BTW! Cold-fusion exists, it's just not a power source or is harnessable effectively. 'Desktop Fusion' can be done with a desk and a machine set up. I believe its on Wikipedia, a massive and COMPLETE turn around from the idealogy three years ago that it was an impossible and faked lab procedure that produced a successful cold fusion reaction. (by mistake they didn't record everything scientifically and its validity was highly suspect) Cold plasma on the other hand is readily available and easy to produce consistantly, we can control density and area of it.

Cold plasma is already in use and is possible, Australia is just expanding it a little.

Cold fusion exists, but is not a power source or is really viable. 2050 is a safe estimate before the equivolent energy output to input is broken.

I have returned. Can someone update on the situtions now?

scroll up. there is a pretty recent recap there for Sel

WB Can. Australia needs your support!

not to sound rude, but i did ask to be USA earlier.

not to sound rude, but i did ask to be USA earlier.

Though Kyanges took the slot when it was opened.

What do you need Asbena?

OOC: Has Lithuania left Djibouti yet?

Nope not until Russia leaves Ethiopia or ask us to leave.

Nope not until Russia leaves Ethiopia or ask us to leave.

OOC: What exactly are your plans, missions, operations...etc in Djibouti?

Don't need to put ooc in a ooc thread. I'm pretty much just working along side with the Russians.

Don't need to put ooc in a ooc thread. I'm pretty much just working along side with the Russians.
OOC: Sorry not taking any chances, OOC stuff has been used ICly too much against me, mostly originating from this thread (even the evil joke parts). You are just giving aid....and improving nothing? That's not exactly wonderful. Sel hasn't even said what nations they are currently aiding or helping for 2011 or what that entails. Maybe you could do it ICly so we know. ^-^

Just making hospital and schools. I'm going to try to improve the water system, railroad, and finally the gold mines.

OOC: Then you should help Somalia....cause its the best use of $20 trillion in the next 20-30 years that you will find. It cost us military-wise $2 trillion already to hold Somalia, but the UN is voting on calling in forces to aid in it. Australia is the key to rebuilding the shattered nation after the fall of Puntland and Somaliland. (Our exports are items they need, but Australia cannot supply all itself and we don't want to have a death-grip on its economy.)

Well I like Djibouti because it's a small country and is not war torn with rebels like Somalia.

The government of the People's Republic of Taiwan wishes all nations to read the press release at:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592407#post10592407

I am going to have to question Poland's ability to have a national space program. It doesn't make economic sense.

ESA's budget, 2004: 2,7 billion euro

PLN to Euro, now: 1 pln = 0,25something euro

Polish revenue, 2004 estimate: 154 (or so) billion PLN

Polish expenditure, 2004 estimate: 188 (or so) billion PLN

The ESA already works quite slowly, but has established launch sites and so on, which Poland needs to either update or build. So assuming that Poland needs to have the same budget to be of any value (considering they want a national space program), it's probably going to take up more than 5% of their revenues.

And Poland needs a news/diplomacy thread.

Thats the problem, finding exactly what places can do in this RP is very hard, as it takes place in the future. I was trying to find something for bg info on one of my posts but couldn't find anything after reading a bunch of stuff.

Sel, what is your oppinion on moving the Rp to an offsite forum ?!

Everyone read the Taiwan post please, it is extremely important all active countries respond http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473149

Largely decapitated during the coup. Phillip simply sent his troops in to kill what they could. It was largely fasciliated by an attempt to gain independence during the coup, meaning targets became more conventional. They still exist, of course, but not in sufficient numbers to make a big impact, and the campaign against ETA has not just intensified, it was magnified in terms of what weaponry is being used against them. In other words, it's like the Chechnya conflict, only without flattening civilians as well [although I'm sure a civilian has died here and there].
You mean they're subdued? That ruins my fun...

Asbena, you dont need to put OOC...if someone uses OOC info in IC again, just TG me an example or two.

Also, the map and main page will be updated. Can someone(Naktan) tell me what to add?...if anything.

the Argentina thread?

Alright. ^-^

Umm...Taiwan may not exist for long lol!

lol, how true, it will only last as long as Comunisticturkeyes is away

the Argentina thread?

Georgian republic thread too, also ZMI is waiting to be approved for Sweden.

that taiwan news report was pointless in my opinion
Also, if you are gunna complain about my space program then complain about invasions by austraillia, or italy, or the one china crap by taiwan. i told you before i cared about reality, but that does seem to be going on here. besides, working on for 5-6 years would work. We will be working with other nations also so it will succeed since we can get more accomplished than the real nations.

Taiwan declaring independance is a pointless dumb thread? It may be a bad choice for Taiwan but its not a poinless thread

Alright. ^-^

Umm...Taiwan may not exist for long lol!

In the words of Hillary Duff, "Why not take a crazy chance"

no, i do not obsess about her, I just thought of that quote.

Ya Ebd.

Though a space program takes a decade unless you have a strong nation to help back it up.

omg Taiwans going crazy... independance and Hilary Duff

Who has production rights to the MiG-21 Fishbed? All these nations have them! Australia wants to purchase rights.

* Afghanistan
* Albania (J-7)
* Algeria
* Angola
* Azerbiajan
* Bangladesh
* Bulgaria
* Burma
* Cambodia
* China (J-7)
* Congo
* Croatia
* Cuba
* Czech Republic
* Republic
* Egypt
* Ethiopia
* Finland
* Germany
* Gunea
* Hungary
* India
* Iran
* Iraq
* Kazakhstan
* Laos
* Libya
* Madagascar
* Mali
* Mongolia
* Mozambique
* Nigeria
* North Korea
* North Yemen
* Pakistan (J-7)
* Poland
* Romania
* Slovakia
* South Yemen
* Sri Lanka
* Sudan
* Syria
* Tanzania
* Vietnam
* Yugoslavia
* Zambia
* Zimbebwe

I'm not sure if those nations have production rights. In fact, Russia has been having problems supplying client nations with spare parts, evidence that these nations don't produce their own parts. This problem with Russia is one of the reasons the Indians went on their own MBT program [the Arjun], as well as the fact that the fact that Pakistan had equally capable tanks from the Soviet Union [an arms race after 1971].

Can this be added to the frontpage?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473549

omg Taiwans going crazy... independance and Hilary Duff


*smokes some dope, snorts some powder cocain* O DANG THATS LSD.. HOSPITAL!!!!