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GB sorry to bother you, but how do you think economic pacts could benefit countries involved economically?

GB sorry to bother you, but how do you think economic pacts could benefit countries involved economically?

yes, and I am pondering rules for that

no player, but I have been keeping track of your investment. They are working on creating a railroad to China to ship out their oil and reduce their isolation somewhat. Also working on one to Kashgaria. Railroads over the Himalayas however aren't possible (so no railroad to India)

Meh, I don't care.

However, I'm wondering; could they get into Arunachal Pradesh? I mean, if China keeps claiming it in RL, there has to be some way of getting in.

GB: What of commercial Nuclear power?

Germany and I are going to be cooperating to construct two commercial plants hopefully by 1950ish. I quote my post on the British news thread for reference:

"Britain would be glad to pool resources with her German allies in the persuance of the use of nuclear energy for electricity generation. The government has set up the The United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA) and is persuing plans to develop a reactor at Calder Hall (Sellafiled, Cumbria) where the Ministry of Defence houses it's weapons research reactors. Research is to commence shortly on Magnox reactors in which Magnesium alloys are used to contain fission products.

OOC:

The Calder Hall reactor was the second commercial reactor in the world(1956) with an initial capacity of 45 MW (later 196 MW). It was only preceded by the Russian plant at Obninsk, which won't be built in this timeline. After some research funds I reckon we'll be on schedule for an operational plant at Calder Hall around 1950 (6 years ahead of RL) with another in Germany a short while later. Calder Hall will probably be the first plant of the two as it already has the required personnel and materials on site and has good supply links whilst remaining pretty remote from population centres."

I believe that Britain will build the first commercial power station in this RP. Based on historical precedent and the fact that British nuclear research is coming on in leaps and bound with British made nuclear weapons likely to debut in a few years time.

A few questions:

-Will research need to be conducted into commercial power before I can build any power stations?

-If so how much and for how long?

-What sort of timescale are we looking at? (I was going with the standard 6 years ahead, but is that only for military technology?)

nuclear power requires
1. nuclear fission technology for 24 points (which the UK and Germany have via allies during the war)
2. nuclear production, seperation and processing facilities... 72 points (24 points a year for 3 years)
3. Then you can start building power plants. First one is free.

What nuclear power plants actually do is something I am still figuring out, but my general feeling is that a certain number replace an oil point. How many is the question I am still pondering.

In short, I am still figuring out exactly what to do when energy demand exceeds supply, which will come about 6 years sooner then it did in real life, possibly even 10 years sooner. Mainly because the 3rd World is industralizing a lot faster.

Other issues
Pollution and Environmentalism
All this open air testing will create a public backlash eventually, but its slow to build. However, atmospheric testing in the Baltic Sea will definitely raise awareness quickly if it continues.

Some of the NPC nations are going to raise the issue of nuclear nonproliferation and limitations fairly soon as well.

Nuclear power plants are great, but, there is the nuclear waste issue that will eventually have to be dealt with.

In addition, most nations are still using coal as a primary energy fuel, and air pollution is going to be an issue soon as well.

I am thinking of having a economic drag rate on your economy to simulate pollution and pollution controls, as well as other environmental measures. You can chose not to act, in which case after a certain amount of time you get even a greater drag rate as public health declines, and resources become contiminated and less usuable.

I am still kicking all of this around to come up with an easy to use but realistic system, and it doesn't become an issue before 1960 (which is still earlier then historic, but only 5 - 10 years early)

will solar, wind, and other alternative energy such as Wave energy, ethanol, etc. be available and when?

I am thinking of having a economic drag rate on your economy to simulate pollution and pollution controls, as well as other environmental measures. You can chose not to act, in which case after a certain amount of time you get even a greater drag rate as public health declines, and resources become contiminated and less usuable.

I am still kicking all of this around to come up with an easy to use but realistic system, and it doesn't become an issue before 1960 (which is still earlier then historic, but only 5 - 10 years early)

Two things I can see:

I think a drag rate would be an interesting system. Perhaps a decline of .5% in economic growth occurs for every year the pollution is not cleaned with the growth rate eventually bottoming out at 1% would be nice, to simulate increasing inefficency and contamination of vital resources.

An alternative would be a forced increase in Social Services spending, say an environmental contamination penalty of .5 points is occurred per year if you don't fix things, to simulate having to pay for increased health care costs related to environmental hazards (absetos, Love Canal-like incidents, mercury and oil spill victims), and to cover inefficency as well.

Feel free to comment on either one.

Two things I can see:

I think a drag rate would be an interesting system. Perhaps a decline of .5% in economic growth occurs for every year the pollution is not cleaned with the growth rate eventually bottoming out at 1% would be nice, to simulate increasing inefficency and contamination of vital resources.

An alternative would be a forced increase in Social Services spending, say an environmental contamination penalty of .5 points is occurred per year if you don't fix things, to simulate having to pay for increased health care costs related to environmental hazards (absetos, Love Canal-like incidents, mercury and oil spill victims), and to cover inefficency as well.

Feel free to comment on either one.

both are excellent ideas, and kind along the lines I was thinking..

will solar, wind, and other alternative energy such as Wave energy, ethanol, etc. be available and when?

feel free to research them and come up with historic dates... but as none are in widespread use today (from the point of view of their impact on the economy), probably not before the end of the RP (2000 I assume).

both are excellent ideas, and kind along the lines I was thinking..

Rockin'. Perhaps for Option 2, the Social Services penalties should eventually plateau at a total of 8 points (wanted an even number between 6 and 10) to keep things solvent if you don't do anything about the environment.

in 1973 during the oil crises, the U.S increased funding to try to find an alternate energy source. maybe it will all depend on oil availability for each nation

Woah. I just thought of something.

Perhaps alt fuels can be researchable like Nuclear Power here in E20, but definetly on a simpler scale (after all, nuclear power is pricey). You invest in the development of alt fuel technology, then you invest in facilities.

Each type of power would have a different point cost, and a certain amount of these power plants would replace an oil point. In addition, there could bonuses for each type of alt fuel; wind plants in mountainous terrain could have double the energy production, for example.

So we need to know how to make Nuclear Bombs before we can make Nuclear Power plants? That's...interesting.

Idea: Could we do what Russia is proposing that Iran do in RL? Like have someone ELSE enrich the Uranium, but then build our own Nuclear Reactors?

So we need to know how to make Nuclear Bombs before we can make Nuclear Power plants? That's...interesting.

Idea: Could we do what Russia is proposing that Iran do in RL? Like have someone ELSE enrich the Uranium, but then build our own Nuclear Reactors?

I second that. Of course, I think there might be points involved to pay for the enrichment and transfer of the goods, as it were.

So we need to know how to make Nuclear Bombs before we can make Nuclear Power plants? That's...interesting.

Idea: Could we do what Russia is proposing that Iran do in RL? Like have someone ELSE enrich the Uranium, but then build our own Nuclear Reactors?

You need to know how to enrich uranium and create plutonunium in order to have either, along with the engineering need for that. Eventually this will get cheaper as tech levels increase.

And paying for someone else to enrich your uranium will eventually be an option... at tech level 8

Woah. I just thought of something.

Perhaps alt fuels can be researchable like Nuclear Power here in E20, but definetly on a simpler scale (after all, nuclear power is pricey). You invest in the development of alt fuel technology, then you invest in facilities.

Each type of power would have a different point cost, and a certain amount of these power plants would replace an oil point. In addition, there could bonuses for each type of alt fuel; wind plants in mountainous terrain could have double the energy production, for example.

problem is that most alternative fuels technologies are tech level 8 (especially solar), and we have a way to go before we get there

couple of questions.
1. What tech level is Japan
2. are shipping units 3 or 5 pts. the economic thread says 3 but the military says 5pts. or is this just seperating military shipping from economic ones?

couple of questions.
1. What tech level is Japan
2. are shipping units 3 or 5 pts. the economic thread says 3 but the military says 5pts. or is this just seperating military shipping from economic ones?


1. Japan is currently Tech level 6(.5) and probably nearing 7, that makes yo the highest tech level country in East asia, though Korea is rapidly catching up.

2. Shipping units are three points each, the military thread had a Typo.

1. Japan is currently Tech level 6(.5) and probably nearing 7, that makes yo the highest tech level country in East asia, though Korea is rapidly catching up.

2. Shipping units are three points each, the military thread had a Typo.

Technically, I'm the highest tech nation in Asia now-it's '47, and GB indicated I'd reach Tech 7 by this time.

Republic of Palestine
Population 2 million, tech level 5
Production center: Haifa 1, (national effort becomes 3)
1946 budget: level 5 social service, 2 light infantry divisions, 2 mechanized divisions.(including upgrading troops)
1947 plans wartime spending (becomes 6 points), keeps Social Level 5, purchases 1 garrison unit for Jerusalem.

Sultanate of Jordan
Population 500,000, tech level 4
No production, 1 national airline
1946 budget:converts its garrison unit into an infantry corps, breaks it down into 2 divisions, converts 1 division into a mechanized division (purchases US surplus from Morocco)

Population:
14 million Australiasian (30 million Indonesian)

Market Economy Peacetime--Tech Level 7
(Note--last year growth was 3% of 53 = 1.6 points +.3 from last year equals 2 points of growth--new production center in Perth)
Production Centers:
Sydney 2; Melbourne 2; Adelaide 1; Canberra 1; Brisbane 1; Auckland 1; Perth 1 = 16 (+1 from growth) = 19
Oil Points:
4 From Indonesia = 4
Colonial:
Indonesia 6; New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 10
Commerce:
16 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 28

Budget for 1946: 19+4+10+28+1 from Japan=62 points

Social Spending:
Level 5 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--5 points
Level 2 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--2 point
Level 3 Social Services to Indonesia = 9 points
16 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
2 Cruisers--1 point
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
10 Subs (2 units)--1 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
4 Pilots at Expert Level--1 point
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions--1 point
2 Garrison Units at Average level--1 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (average training)--0.5 points
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
Airforce (2 jet fighters, 1 light bomber, 1 fighter-bomber, 1 transport)--1.25 points
11.25 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 Hawker Hunter jet fighter unit--2 points
2 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
2 Merchant Marine = 6 points
13.75 to Production Center in Indonesia (10.25 to go)
11.75 Points Spent

Foreign Aid:
12 Points to India
9 Points to Britain--Nuclear Development
21 Points Spent

16+11.25+2+11.75+21=62 Points Spent

Updated

EDITED TO REFLECT AUSTRALIAN INVESTMENT IN NUCLEAR RESEARCH

British Builds 1947

Economic spending:

standard market economy, 3% growth


172 points (inclusive of 18 colonial, 50 trade), 9 from Australian government to aid nuclear research.

TOTAL: 181

growth yields 5 new production facilities for next year.

expenditure:

military maintenance: 50
level 4 social services for UK (50m): 25
level 4 social services for Empire (70m): 35
military expansion:
5 Hawker Sea Hawk carrier aircraft @ 2 points = 10 points
3 de Havilland Venom aircraft @ 2 points = 6 points
24 points for start of new nuclear program (year 1 of 3)
18 points of foreign aid to India.
12 points for 3 air terminals (for Olympics) (LONDON HEATHROW, LONDON GATWICK, BIRMINGHAM)
1 point to begin a Cruise ship Terminal at Dover (1/4 complete)

The British government also announce plans for a further 1 major air terminals next year (LONDON STANSTEAD).

Originally Posted by Elephantum
Syrian Budget-1947
Income (9)
Production:6
Airline:2
Shipping:1
Foreign Aid (1)
FAS: 1 pt
Constant Spending (2.25)
Social Services:.5
Maintenance:1.75 (2 garrisons*, 1 armored, 1 fighter bomber, 1 coastal patrol group)
Variable Spending (7.75)
1 shipping unit: 3
Completion of renovations: .25
Military Academies: 1 (FAS aid)
Repay SU: 2.5 (of 3)
Light Infantry Brigade: 1

*Beirut Garrison->Infantry Corps->2 Inf. Divisions

Federated Asian States Build for 1948

Spending Type: Market Economy National Effort Fourth Year (Total Points: 111.5)

Maintenance:
x6 Garrison 1.5
x4 Mechanized 2
x4 Pilots 0
x4 C47 1
x1 Light Ship unit .25
x1 HQ Units 1
x5 Light Infantry 1.25
x3 Armored 1.5 point
Total Spent: 8.5

Total Remaining: 103 points

Social Services:
Level 1 Social Services for everyone (36 points)

Total Spent: 44.5

Total Remaining: 67

Training:
x2 Average Pilots

Total Spent: 48.5

Total Remaining: 63

Aid to Other Nations:
Tibet 4

Total Spent: 52.5

Total Remaining: 59

Building:
34 points for Rural Electrification (year two, completion)
10 points for increasing Afghanistans transportation (year two)
8 points for 2 cruise ship terminals
8 points for 2 international airports

Aid from other nations:
Great Britain(14 points):
8 points for 2 international airports
4 points for 1 cruise ship terminal

Projected 1949 Budget:
34 Commerce + 60 (29.5 +1% of total = 30, 30 production centers) + 6 Colonial + 3 Oil +4.5 tourism (9 points normal, civil strife = 50% tourism income) = 107.5 points

Republic of Japan Build 1948

92 points from cities, 8 from shipping, 4 from airlines

Points to Australia: 1
Social Safety net: 15 points
Reparations to China: 54
Points left over: 30

Build: 10 Merchant Marine: 30

Korea and Vladivostok Protected City- 1948 builds:

Population 33 million
Tech level 7 (all shipping now 1.5pts)
Constitutional Monarchy
Market Economy, peacetime 3%

Production centers: Seoul 3 Pusan 2 Pyongyang 2 Vladivostok 2, 11 shipping units, 1 national airline, 1 International Airline (Korean Airlines)

38.5 Points (rounded)+ Growth (1.155 pts )with a new production center(adding last year's growth with this one) (OOC: Need help on new production center status!) = 40.0 Points (rounded) to spend

Level 3 social spending- 9 points

Foreign Aid-10.6 points to Syria

Korean Armed Forces

Korean Army:

2 infantry division .5 points
2 mountain infantry brigades .5 points
1 HQ unit- 1pt
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)

Korean Air Force:

1 F86 fighter unit –.5 points
2 Corsair fighter bomber units .25 points
1 C47 transport unit .25
4 expert pilots 1 point

Korean Navy:

1 Light Cruiser, .5 matenance
1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance
2 Attack Submarine Groups- 1 point matenance

Total: 8.4 points

Things to buy-

4 points for an International Airport at Seoul
5 points for an Armored Division
3 points for a unit of IL28/H-5 Tactical Jet Bombers

Is it possible for me to gain tourist points for my Empire. Eg building airports/cruise terminals. I would imagine so as there are plenty of "touristy" areas to choose from, eg. Kenya, Nigeria, Carribean Islands etc.

Though of course it is about time for the Empire to begin to break up, I have expectations that Ceylon will gain full and peaceful independence by the end of next year alongside Malaya. Cyprus, the African states and whatever's left of the Middle-Eastern holdings, the Carribean Islands and then the Pacific Islands. Probably in that order and through the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.

Is it possible for me to gain tourist points for my Empire. Eg building airports/cruise terminals. I would imagine so as there are plenty of "touristy" areas to choose from, eg. Kenya, Nigeria, Carribean Islands etc.

Though of course it is about time for the Empire to begin to break up, I have expectations that Ceylon will gain full and peaceful independence by the end of next year alongside Malaya. Cyprus, the African states and whatever's left of the Middle-Eastern holdings, the Carribean Islands and then the Pacific Islands. Probably in that order and through the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.

yes, you can build those for each of your colonial territories (as the territories are indicated on the first page)... could be expensive though

USEA 1948 build

Population: 40 million
Tech level: 6
Government: Social Democracy
Economy: Captalist [Peace time {3% growth}]

Economic budget: 26 points (Production centers[11]: Hanoi 2, Saigon, 2, Vientene 2, Pnomh Penh 2, Bangkok 2, Haiphong 1. Commerce[14]: 1x National Airline 2, 12x Shipping Units 12 [6,000,000 million tons]. Natural Growth: 1 )

Domestic:

Level 3 Social spending- 12 points

Rural Electrification- 4 points (100% complete)

1x Shipping unit (500,000 tons)- 3 points

1x International Airport Terminal (Saigon)- 1 point [To be completed next year]

Military:


Maintenace:
4 infantry corps 2 points,
1 parachute brigade .25 points,
1 HQ unit 1 point,
1 marine light infantry brigade .25 points,
2 flak groups .5 points,
1 mechanized infantry division .5 points.
-
1 F84 fighter bomber unit .5 points,
1 C47 transport unit .25 points,
1 AD1 Skyraider light bomber unit .25 points,
3 expert pilots .75 points,
-
1 light ship unit (10 destroyers) .25 points,
2 light ship units (40 corvettes) .5 points,

TOTAL= 7

Korea and Vladivostok Protected City- 1948 builds:

Population 33 million
Tech level 7 (all shipping now 1.5pts)
Constitutional Monarchy
Market Economy, peacetime 3%

Production centers: Seoul 3 Pusan 2 Pyongyang 2 Vladivostok 2, 11 shipping units, 1 national airline

35.5 Points (rounded)+ Growth (1.065 pts )with a new production center(adding last year's growth with this one) (OOC: Need help on new production center status!) = 38.0 Points (rounded) to spend

Level 3 social spending- 9 points

Foreign Aid-8 points to Syria

Korean Armed Forces

Korean Army:

2 infantry division .5 points
2 mountain infantry brigades .5 points
1 HQ unit- 1pt
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)

Korean Air Force:

1 F86 fighter unit –.5 points
2 Corsair fighter bomber units .25 points
1 C47 transport unit .25
4 expert pilots 1 point

Korean Navy:

1 Light Cruiser, .5 matenance
1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance
2 Attack Submarine Groups- 1 point matenance

Total: 8.4 points

Things to buy-

4 points for an International Airport at Seoul
5 points for an Armored Division
3 points for a unit of IL28/H-5 Tactical Jet Bombers

Eh... 38? by my count you should only have 23.

1948 Syrian Budget
Income
Production Points: 6
Shipping Points: 7 (German Help)
Airline Points: 2
Standard Spending
Level 5 (!) Social Services: 2 (small populations are so nice)
Maintenance: 1.75 (garrison demobilized)
Repayment
To SU: 0.5
To Germany: 1
Other Spending
To UN World Bank: 2.25*
Shipping Unit: 3
2 Mountain Brigades: 4
Year 1 of Rural Electrification: 0.25
Year 1 of Improved Infrastructure: 0.25

*Hopefully will go to Palestine, but may change. Any costs to replace military units will come from this.

Eh... 38? by my count you should only have 23.

Okay...I know time these numbers are good.....I counted them, 1.5 points per shipping unit, 2 points per production center and that national airline, and 1.065 for growth rounded. Hence, 38.

Okay...I know time these numbers are good.....I counted them, 1.5 points per shipping unit, 2 points per production center and that national airline, and 1.065 for growth rounded. Hence, 38.

So we get two points per production centre at peace time spending?
I thought we only got one!!!
And each point of growth gives us a production center?

Whoa!

Ok, so when did level 7 shipping become worth more? I thought you were just able to build another 10 units...

Because it says you can have a maximum of 40 points, but if all 30 units were worth 1.5, then you would have 45 points... please clairify, b/c if so, I did my '47 build all funkily.

Parthini']Whoa!

Ok, so when did level 7 shipping become worth more? I thought you were just able to build another 10 units...

Because it says you can have a maximum of 40 points, but if all 30 units were worth 1.5, then you would have 45 points... please clairify, b/c if so, I did my '47 build all funkily.

40 is the upper limit and shipping is worth more than airliners, so yes, you can have a surplus of merchant shipping

So we get two points per production centre at peace time spending?
I thought we only got one!!!
And each point of growth gives us a production center?

correct

40 is the upper limit and shipping is worth more than airliners, so yes, you can have a surplus of merchant shipping

Huh!? So at level 7 I'll have 40 points from commerce automatically, since I have 30 merchant shipping units?

This is confusing. I liked the old system, where you had 30 merchant shipping units, each worth 1 point, and then at tech level 7 you could build 40 of them, and so on and so forth.

South African Budget 1948
Population: 24,014,000
Income: 67 (33 production (72 max), 30 commerce, 4 airline)
Annual Growth: 3% (Market)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep-9 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-7 points

Government Projects
1/2x Production Center-12 points
1x Pilot Unit (Average)-2 points
1x Amphibious Assault Group-6 points
1x Armored Division-5 points
1x Light Infantry Division-1 point
2x Gun Cruisers converted to Missile Cruisers-4 points
Scientific Grants-12 points
1x B50 Superfortress-4 points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Surplus
N/A

Projected 1949 Income: 71 (+2 production, +2 growth)

South African Budget 1948
Population: 24,014,000
Income: 67 (33 production (72 max), 30 commerce, 4 airline)
Annual Growth: 3% (Market)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep-9 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-7 points

Government Projects
1/2x Production Center-12 points
1x Pilot Unit (Average)-2 points
1x Amphibious Assault Group-6 points
1x Armored Division-5 points
1x Light Infantry Division-1 point
2x Gun Cruisers converted to Missile Cruisers-4 points
Scientific Grants-12 points
1x B50 Superfortress-4 points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Surplus
N/A

Projected 1949 Income: 71 (+2 production, +2 growth)


the Boeing B50 is no longer in production, however, the USAF will sell you enough that are sitting in storage at Davis Monthan AFB to equip your unit for 2 points

the Boeing B50 is no longer in production, however, the USAF will sell you enough that are sitting in storage at Davis Monthan AFB to equip your unit for 2 points

Okay, thanks.

South African Budget 1948
Population: 24,014,000
Income: 67 (33 production (72 max), 30 commerce, 4 airline)
Annual Growth: 3% (Market)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep-9 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-7 points

Government Projects
1/2x Production Center-12 points
2x Pilot Unit (Average)-4 points
1x Amphibious Assault Group-6 points
1x Armored Division-5 points
1x Light Infantry Division-1 point
2x Gun Cruisers converted to Missile Cruisers-4 points
Scientific Grants-12 points
1x B50 Superfortress-2 points (purchased from USAF)

Foreign Aid
N/A

Surplus
N/A

Projected 1949 Income: 71 (+2 production, +2 growth)

USEA 1948 build

Population: 40 million
Tech level: 6
Government: Social Democracy
Economy: Captalist [Peace time {3% growth}]

Economic budget: 38 points (Production centers[22]: Hanoi 2, Saigon, 2, Vientene 2, Pnomh Penh 2, Bangkok 2, Haiphong 1. Commerce[14]: 1x National Airline 2, 12x Shipping Units 12 [6,000,000 million tons]. Natural Growth[2]: 1 )

Domestic:

Level 3 Social spending- 12 points

Rural Electrification- 4 points (100% complete)

1x Shipping unit (500,000 tons)- 3 points

1x International Airport Terminal (Saigon)- 4 points

1x International Airport Terminal (Hanoi)- 4 points

1x International Airport Terminal (Bangkok)- 4 points

Military:

Maintenace:
4 infantry corps 2 points,
1 parachute brigade .25 points,
1 HQ unit 1 point,
1 marine light infantry brigade .25 points,
2 flak groups .5 points,
1 mechanized infantry division .5 points.
-
1 F84 fighter bomber unit .5 points,
1 C47 transport unit .25 points,
1 AD1 Skyraider light bomber unit .25 points,
3 expert pilots .75 points,
-
1 light ship unit (10 destroyers) .25 points,
2 light ship units (40 corvettes) .5 points,

TOTAL= 7

-Fixed build-

German Build 1948
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Production: 51 (16) 2 oil points, 2 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna), 2 national airlines, 2 international airlines, 40 shipping units
Hamburg 5, Essen 2(3), Dusseldorf 2(3), Koln 2(3), Hannover 1(4), Stuttgart 2(3), Frankfurt 1, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 3, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 4, Vienna 4

National Effort: 153 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+12 growth+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)= 220

Maintainance (10.75):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.25 points
3 Elite Pilots-1.5 point
3 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-2.25
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
2 TA183D-1 points

Social Spending (23):
Level 3 for 75 Million-23 points

Civilian Builds (164.25):

Repair 7 Industry Centers (1 Essen, 1 Dusseldorf, 1 Koln, 2 Hanover, 2 Stuttgart -84

15 Shipping Units for Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia-45 points

Year 2 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Build Air Terminal (Hamburg), Cruise Ship Terminal (Hamburg)-8 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

4 New Production Centers (1 Frankfurt, 1 Dresden, 1 Danzig, 1 Vienna)-2% growth

Donation to World Bank-.25 points

Military Builds (22):
4 x Mechanized Inf-16 points

1 x Elite Pilot-4 points

1 x TA183D-2 points

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Estimated German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Production: 61 (10) 2 oil points, 4 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg), 2 national airlines, 2 international airlines, 40 shipping units
Hamburg 5, Essen 3(2), Dusseldorf 3(2), Koln 3(2), Hannover 3(2), Stuttgart 3(2), Frankfurt 2, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 4, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

National Effort: 183 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+4 tourist+15 growth+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)= 255 points

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7

Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)

1948 budget:
59 points + 44 points from International Trade = 103p

Level 5 social spending
15 points, remainder available for military and relief efforts (88 points)

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 2p (Elite Training)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
2 x HQ Unit = 2p
7 x Jet Fighters (Me-17) = 3.5p
3 x Jet Fighter (Me-18)= 1.5
1 x Jet Light Bomber (B57) = 1p
1 x Heavy Jet Bomber = 1p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Carrier Jet Fighter Units = .5p
1 x Carrier Light Bomber Units = .25p
3 x Fleet Carrier Battlegroup= 3p (Vincente Sewell, Dario Echandia, Francisco de Paula Santander)
2 x Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
14 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
Total Cost: 38.5p

Builds (49.5p remaining)
12 Points to Research (Missile and Rocket Research, shared with Britain and US)
24 points to Nuclear Research (Second Year, Shared with SU)
2 points (4 of 4) for Elite Pilot (2 year training)
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Panama
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Cali
1.5 Points for International Airport - Panama
1.5 Points for International Airport - Cayenne
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Guadaloupe
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - St. Martanique
2.5 Points for International Student Assistance program



1949 Expected:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1949 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p

Parthini and I were considering expanding the Islands of Heligoland and Dune into a major cooperative naval base. This would require a lot of building of ports and other facilities plus some areas for AA guns and housing for the workers etc. Initially oil powered electric generators will be used for power but it is hoped that a small nuclear power station can be built there one day. We were also considering extending the one of the islands somehow so that a small fighter airstrip can be built there to protect the facilities.

Is the above project feasible at this point (I presume so as it is similar to the German work there in RL WWI) and if so how much would such a project cost?

France
Economy: Market.

Production centers availlable (damaged):38 (3)

Commerce:
1 national airline, 12 shipping units

Population: 44 milllion People

Industrial Centres:
Paris 6, Nantes 3, Lille 6, Marseilles 5, Toulouse 4(1), Rouen 3(2), Vichy 5, Lyon 6

Tech Level: 7

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1948 Budget- (Year 4 out of 4 National effort)
Income:
Production Centres: 38*3 = 114 points
Commerce:
Airline: National= 2 Points
Shipping= 18 Points
Tourisim= 4 points

Total Income= 138 points

Expenditure:
Last Year Defecit Repayment= 17 points
Millitary Maintenance= 3.75 points
Intelligance Budget= 5 points
Upgrade intelligance= 1 point
Repair 3 damaged production centre= 36 points
Level 4 Social Services= 22 points
International Airline= 6 points
Rural electrication= 5 points (year 1 out of 2)
9 Shipping Units= 27 points
Improve Air travel= 8 points
Surplus Donated to World Bank=0.25

Forign Investment in Northwest Africa:<pending approvement from local government there).
Improvement of Infrastructure= 2 points (Year 1 out of 2)
Loan= 5 points <paid back by 1 point every 2 years, failure of repayment causes increase by 5%>

Total Expenditure=138 points

Growth=1.38 (1 production centre in Roun).

Right here's the deal:

I have missed out on 1/2 of my growth since 1944 as I thought that it took two growth points to make a production centre for some reason. I have calculated the loss to amount to 26 points since then. I realise that it would be insane for me to go back to 1944 and rework from then on. Would anyone be terribly upset if I just said that the 26 points were used as follows for helping British Africa?:

1 airport in Kenya
1 cruise terminal in Kenya
1 airport in Nigeria
1 cruise terminal in Nigeria
1 airport in British Carribean
1 cruise terminal in British Carribean
start (2/4 points) on 1 airport in Sudan

I'll just factor the resulting gain in points into this year's build instead if working backwards. Thanks guys, this is mainly down to stupidity on my own part...

Right here's the deal:

I have missed out on 1/2 of my growth since 1944 as I thought that it took two growth points to make a production centre for some reason. I have calculated the loss to amount to 26 points since then. I realise that it would be insane for me to go back to 1944 and rework from then on. Would anyone be terribly upset if I just said that the 26 points were used as follows for helping British Africa?:

1 airport in Kenya
1 cruise terminal in Kenya
1 airport in Nigeria
1 cruise terminal in Nigeria
1 airport in British Carribean
1 cruise terminal in British Carribean
start (2/4 points) on 1 airport in Sudan

I'll just factor the resulting gain in points into this year's build instead if working backwards. Thanks guys, this is mainly down to stupidity on my own part...


thats fine

Parthini and I were considering expanding the Islands of Heligoland and Dune into a major cooperative naval base. This would require a lot of building of ports and other facilities plus some areas for AA guns and housing for the workers etc. Initially oil powered electric generators will be used for power but it is hoped that a small nuclear power station can be built there one day. We were also considering extending the one of the islands somehow so that a small fighter airstrip can be built there to protect the facilities.

Is the above project feasible at this point (I presume so as it is similar to the German work there in RL WWI) and if so how much would such a project cost?

just build a fortification (3 points) and a garrison or flak unit

Wait...1 point of growth=1 production center? Although, did I max out ( I have 2 million people and 3 centers)?

Thanks GB.

One last crazy Anglo-German project for the future. We were thinking of an Anglo-German Sputnik type program for the mid to late 50's utilising German rocket tech and British radio. I presume we'd have to do a lot of research into it involving rockets and radios and things before even embarking on research for the project, but as an estimate how much would it cost?

This is my last crazy idea, I promise you!

Thanks GB.

One last crazy Anglo-German project for the future. We were thinking of an Anglo-German Sputnik type program for the mid to late 50's utilising German rocket tech and British radio. I presume we'd have to do a lot of research into it involving rockets and radios and things before even embarking on research for the project, but as an estimate how much would it cost?

This is my last crazy idea, I promise you!

Muhahaha! Ph33r teh M0n@rch!$tz!

How much are factories worth on tech level 7 natl effort?

Parthini']How much are factories worth on tech level 7 natl effort?

x 3

So they are worth 4.5 points?

How... inefficent...

Rough British Builds 1948

(Important bits are italicised)

standard market economy, 3% growth

Production Centres: 65 as follows: 10 London, 10 Birmingham, 5 Leeds, 5 Manchester, 5 Hull, 5 Liverpool, 5 Glasgow, 5 Newcastle, 5 Sheffield, 5 Edinburgh, 5 Coventry.

INCOME
Production Centres: 130 points
Colonial Support: 18 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 3 points (London: Gatwick, Heathrow; Birmingham)
Imperial tourism: 6 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; Nigeria airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal)
From Australian government to aid nuclear research: 9 points
From hosting of Summer Olympics in London: 5 points
From German government for nuclear power program: 12 points

TOTAL: 233

growth yields 7 new production facilities for next year.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 50
level 4 social services for UK (50m): 25
level 4 social services for Empire (70m): 35
Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
24 points for nuclear weapons program (year 2 of 3)
24 points for nuclear power program (year 1 of 3)
24 points for nuclear propelled ships research
0 points for Improved MRBM missiles (to be completed by tech share with Germany)
24 points to start IRBM missile program (24/24 complete)

Extraordinary Expenditure:
12 points of foreign aid to India.
4 points for 1 air terminal (LONDON STANSTEAD)
3 points to finish a Cruise ship Terminal at Dover (4/4 complete)
2 points to finish airport in the Sudan (4/4 complete)
9 points for 3 Gloster Javelin aircraft
12 points for 2 Avro Vulcans
10 points for foreign aid to Burma

Total: 233

I would ideally like the Burmese funds to go towards setting up a military for their government to put down any coups that may occur and hence stabilise the country. Maybe a small navy and airforce (Britain will donate up to 3 units of old Hawker Sea Furies if wanted, though pilots will hav eto be trained).

I edited my '47 build to account for the fact that shiping upgrades itself. I sent the 10 shipping units I built to Syria and Egypt so that they would be activated this year. I'll build 5 shipping units for Saudi Arabia this year.

[QUOTE=Lesser Ribena]Rough British Builds 1948

6 points for 1 B52 Stratofortress
[QUOTE]

British aviation companies protest and want the RAF to buy the V series of aircraft (ooc, I will be updating aircraft etc for 1948 later today)

Parthini']So they are worth 4.5 points?

How... inefficent...

3 points, not 4.5 points

Parthini']German Build 1948
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Production: 51 (16) 2 oil points, 2 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna), 2 national airlines, 2 international airlines, 30 shipping units
Hamburg 5, Essen 2(3), Dusseldorf 2(3), Koln 2(3), Hannover 1(4), Stuttgart 2(3), Frankfurt 1, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 3, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 4, Vienna 4

National Effort: 229.5 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+12 growth+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)= 294.5

Maintainance (11.75):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.25 points
3 Elite Pilots-1.5 point
3 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-2.25
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
2 TA183D-1 points

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (23):
Level 3 for 75 Million-23 points

Civilian Builds (210.75):

Repair 13 Industry Centers (3 Essen, 3 Dusseldorf, 2 Koln, 3 Hanover, 2 Stuttgart) -156

5 Shipping Units for Saudi Arabia-15 points

Year 2 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Build Air Terminal (Hamburg), Cruise Ship Terminal (Hamburg), Air Terminal (Danzig)-12 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

6 New Production Centers (1 Frankfurt, 1 Dresden, 1 Danzig, 1 Vienna, 1 Breslau, 1 Konigsburg)-2% growth

Donation to World Bank-.75 points

Military Builds (45):
5 x Mechanized Inf-20 points

2 x Elite Pilots-8 points

2 x TA183D-4 points

Tracers for Intelligence Agency-1

Improved MRBM missiles-12 points
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Estimated German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Production: 71 (2) 2 oil points, 5 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, Danzig), 2 national airlines, 2 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 4(1), Hannover 4(1), Stuttgart 5, Frankfurt 2, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 4, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5, 1 Breslau, 1 Konigsburg

National Effort: 319.5 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+5 tourist+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)= 377.5 points

Edited

3 points, not 4.5 points

I know, but aren't they worth 4.5 points on National Effort?

NB: Redone builds quite radically. A very heavily research based economy now, but I am hoping that some foreign investmetn will get me some capital to spend this year. (ie. maybe German investment in space program, anyone else for MRBM/IRBM)#

EDIT: Parthini, since we both want MRBMs if you do the research for me and donate the results, i'll put my money towards the space project and both can be Anglo-German? Seems better than both of us wasting our money pursuing the same aim!

LR, can you get on Chatzy?

http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

Right, redone builds hopefully for the last time. I need some clarification on some things though. I know there is a 24 point max on research into missiles, is this per country? eg. I want to collaberate with Germany on missile tech, with him undertaking MRBM advanced missiles and me IRBM. Is this allowed?

Also, I think that no space research can be conducted until IRBMs are research. Is this correct? And that the first "putting something into orbit" phase is free? If so consider that done this year once MRBMs are done (unless the one point satellite fee is required, which I will gladly pay).

And finally, how long does the nuclear propulsion project go on for (I am presumign three years)?

Thank in advance for your help on this matter GB.

Oh and Parth, I no longer require the 3 points any more, due to scrapping the space program until IRBMs are done.

Project Orion is not available before 1955.. period. I will post a link tomorrow that explains the problems with it.

No, you cannot combine spending to accelerate your missile research, but you can split the cost between you.

Thanks GB. The final incarnation of my builds will be up shortly.

Beginning in 1950, passenger ships are going to be outcompeted by the airlines, which means they will no longer provide income in the form of shipping points. Cruise ships are built in a completely different way (emphasize comfort and numbers instead of speed, and are designed for southern climes instead of the North Atlantic).

They will have to be built from scratch, but aren't around just yet either. New rules for them will be posted when they become available. Tourism from cruise ship terminals will only be allowed for areas that are actually desirable cruise ship locations (where they are in real life).

British Builds 1948
(Important bits are italicised)

standard market economy, 3% growth

Production Centres: 65 as follows: 10 London, 10 Birmingham, 5 Leeds, 5 Manchester, 5 Hull, 5 Liverpool, 5 Glasgow, 5 Newcastle, 5 Sheffield, 5 Edinburgh, 5 Coventry.

INCOME
Production Centres: 130 points
Colonial Support: 18 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 3 points (London: Gatwick, Heathrow; Birmingham)
Imperial tourism: 6 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; Nigeria airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal)
From Australian government to aid nuclear research: 9 points
From hosting of Summer Olympics in London: 5 points
From German government for nuclear power program: 12 points

TOTAL: 233

growth yields 7 new production facilities for next year.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 50
level 4 social services for UK (50m): 25
level 4 social services for Empire (70m): 35
Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
24 points for nuclear weapons program (year 2 of 3)
24 points for nuclear power program (year 1 of 3)
0 points for Improved MRBM missiles (to be completed by tech share with Germany)
12 points to start IRBM missile program (12/24 complete)

Extraordinary Expenditure:
12 points of foreign aid to India.
2 points for 1 fortification (to become the Queen Victoria Research Centre and a naval/air base on Heligoland, jointly operated by Germany and the UK)
4 points for 1 air terminal (LONDON STANSTEAD)
3 points to finish a Cruise ship Terminal at Dover (4/4 complete)
2 points to finish airport in the Sudan (4/4 complete)
9 points for 3 Gloster Javelin aircraft
12 points for 2 Avro Vulcans
4 points for 2 average pilots
10 points for foreign aid to Burma

Total: 233

I would ideally like the Burmese funds to go towards setting up a military for their government to put down any coups that may occur and hence stabilise the country. Maybe a small navy and airforce (Britain will donate up to 3 units of old Hawker Sea Furies if wanted, though pilots will have to be trained).

Build 1948

41 prod centers-
Kiel 3, Copenhagen 5, Stockholm 5, Gothenburg 5, Karlskrona 5, Norrkoping 5, Oslo 5, Petrograd 5, Helsinki 3
30 shipping units
4 airlines
80 points Prod centers(National Effort), 40 points commerce, 2 points tourism

30.5 points- maintenance
6 points-lv 3 social
6 points-Nuke program
12 points-nuclear fueling(year 1 of 4)
4 points-airport at Stockholm
4 points-airport COpenhagen
13 points-13 oil points
10 points-Intel agency
12 points-Improved MRBM
25 points-Aid to Turkic

+1 prod center from growth

Beginning in 1950, passenger ships are going to be outcompeted by the airlines, which means they will no longer provide income in the form of shipping points. Cruise ships are built in a completely different way (emphasize comfort and numbers instead of speed, and are designed for southern climes instead of the North Atlantic).

They will have to be built from scratch, but aren't around just yet either. New rules for them will be posted when they become available. Tourism from cruise ship terminals will only be allowed for areas that are actually desirable cruise ship locations (where they are in real life).

Wait...What?

Do you mean Commerce points? Because if you mean that, you are really mistaken. Shipping still carries much more today than planes do, for the simple reason that ships can hold alot more than a plane. If you mean tourism points, then I don't remember even building passenger boats.

I think it just refers to older style passenger ships like liners and so on which some of us built back in the 20's. They are usually used just to carry around army units when no amphibious shipping is around. But they may have had a commerce value as well (I never used them as commerce providers as my merchant amrine was so powerful).

I think it just refers to older style passenger ships like liners and so on which some of us built back in the 20's. They are usually used just to carry around army units when no amphibious shipping is around. But they may have had a commerce value as well (I never used them as commerce providers as my merchant amrine was so powerful).

correct... the Queen Mary is becoming obsolete

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7

Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)

1948 budget:
59 points + 44 points from International Trade = 103p

Level 5 social spending
15 points, remainder available for military and relief efforts (88 points)

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 2p (Elite Training)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
2 x HQ Unit = 2p
7 x Jet Fighters (Me-17) = 3.5p
3 x Jet Fighter (Me-18)= 1.5
1 x Jet Light Bomber (B57) = 1p
1 x Heavy Jet Bomber = 1p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Carrier Jet Fighter Units = .5p
1 x Carrier Light Bomber Units = .25p
3 x Fleet Carrier Battlegroup= 3p (Vincente Sewell, Dario Echandia, Francisco de Paula Santander)
2 x Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
14 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
Total Cost: 38.5p

Builds (49.5p remaining)
12 Points to Research (Missile and Rocket Research, shared with Britain and US)
24 points to Nuclear Fission Research (First Year, Shared with SU)
2 points (4 of 4) for Elite Pilot (2 year training)
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Panama
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Cali
1.5 Points for International Airport - Panama
1.5 Points for International Airport - Cayenne
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - Guadaloupe
1.5 Points for Commuter Airport - St. Martanique
1.5 Points for International Student Assistance program
1 Point for MRBM Missiles



1949 Expected:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1949 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p
Updated.

OOC: Artitsa, just put those 24 points into Fission bombs, I took care of the first three years for basic Atomic bombs and I've already shared. So get the Fission bombs and share with me.;)

ooc: Okie Dokie! I wanted to ask you about that anyways. Do you want to split missile costs and through off those evil Britermans slash.. gertains? BRITAIN AND GERMANY!?!!

uh oh. could we be seeing a new cold war? lets hope so

ooc: Okie Dokie! I wanted to ask you about that anyways. Do you want to split missile costs and through off those evil Britermans slash.. gertains? BRITAIN AND GERMANY!?!!


OOC: Excellent idea, I believe we have some things to discuss on chatzy then.

ooc: apparently I misunderstood economic growth too. I should have 2 more production centers than I had, so that will be corrected (and in Brisbane and Auckland now). Just assume that the missing points went to improving infastructure in New Guinea.

Population:
14 million Australiasian (30 million Indonesian)

Market Economy Peacetime--Tech Level 7
(Note--last year growth was 3% of 62 = 1.9 points rounds to 2 points of growth--2 new production centers, one in Sydney and one in Melbourne)
Production Centers:
Sydney 3; Melbourne 3; Adelaide 1; Canberra 1; Brisbane 2; Auckland 2; Perth 1 = 26
Oil Points:
4 From Indonesia = 4
Colonial:
Indonesia 6; New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 10
Commerce:
18 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 31

Budget for 1948: 26+4+10+31+1 from Japan=72 points

Social Spending:
Level 5 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--15 points
Level 2 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--2 points
Level 3 Social Services to Indonesia = 9 points
26 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
2 Cruisers--1 point
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
10 Subs (2 units)--1 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
4 Pilots at Expert Level--1 point
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions--1 point
2 Garrison Units at Average level--1 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (average training)--0.5 points
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
Airforce (2 jet fighters, 1 light bomber, 1 fighter-bomber, 1 transport)--1.25 points
11.25 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 Hawker Hunter jet fighter unit--2 points
1 Expert Pilot Unit--2 points
4 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
10.25 to Production Center in Indonesia (finished this year)
4 Points to Build Jet Terminal in Sydney
14.25 Points Spent

Foreign Aid:
7 Points to Burma
9 Points to Britain--Nuclear Development
16 Points Spent

26+11.25+4+14.25+16=71.5 Points Spent (.5 points donated to World Bank)

looks accurate.. by the way, Japanese reparations end in 1947

Just checked the economic thread and there's a ton of stuff for me to catch up on.

I thought Japan was supposed to pay reparations for 10 years, from 1941 to 1951 or something?

Just checked the economic thread and there's a ton of stuff for me to catch up on.

I thought Japan was supposed to pay reparations for 10 years, from 1941 to 1951 or something?

Actually it was until 1947 (5 years)

feel free to research them and come up with historic dates... but as none are in widespread use today (from the point of view of their impact on the economy), probably not before the end of the RP (2000 I assume).

I don't want E20 to end in 2000. I want it to continue into the 21st century. Should be interesting with post-mdern setting and explore what can happen in the 21st century.

Starting over doesn't exactly make much sense after all the effort and time we've put into E20.

Actually it was until 1947 (5 years)

According to these treaty terms, Japan is supposed to supply China with half of its economic points as reparations for 10 years, ending in 1951.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10288748&postcount=63

Note the bold (and underlined) emphasis.

November / December 1940
Bad weather brings operations to a halt almost everywhere. Allied and Pact forces are moved around to prepare for future operations, but no significant combat occurs.

Meanwhile, Japan signs a formal peace treaty. Hirohito remains Emperor, and Japan keeps the home islands and gets the Kuriles back. However, it losses Okinawa which becomes a US base, Formosa and Hainan, which are transferred to China, and must provide economic support (half its budget) to China for the next 10 years. In addition, it remains under LTA occupation for that time period, and and cannot spend more then 10% of its budget in the future on military and naval forces.

However, much of Japanese industry is undamaged, and in 1941 will be supplying China and Vietnam with industrial help (build points and equipment).

China also gets 12 shipping units (formerly Japanese ships), Vietnam gets 3, and both get 1 four engined flying boat (as an international airline, although the USAE and China will have to provide the pilots).

Meanwhile, the MEU is declared dissolved, and the nations of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Kurdistan, Basra, Saudi Arabia, Western Arabia, Kuwait, Palestine (including Jordon) are accepted into the United Nations.

Moroccan, Algerian, Egyptian, and Omani troops occupy Syria, Iraq, Basra, Palestine and Kuwait, while Indian forces occupy Iran as a UN Mandate. Greece gains control of Thrace (formerly European Turkey), including the prize of Constantinople (formerly Istanbul). Greece also claims Smryna, but the UN and LTA decide to ignore that claim for now (but don't refuse it either).

Kuwait gains its full independence, as does Saudi Arabia and Western Arabia.

Italy annexes Nice and Corsica, with LTA permission. Brittany is granted independence from France (ooc, they have a long history of thinking of themselves of Britons first, and French second anyway). The UK is allowed to remove everything from the Louvre as partial reparations for the French allowing the Pact to launch massive missile attacks against London and kill or injure nearly 1 million English civilians (roughly 200,000 of those are deaths)

Brittany is granted independence from France (ooc, they have a long history of thinking of themselves of Britons first

I must have missed this the first time. Presumably it never came about? I have heard no mention of it anywhere.

I must have missed this the first time. Presumably it never came about? I have heard no mention of it anywhere.

for ease of play they decided to stay part of France

According to these treaty terms, Japan is supposed to supply China with half of its economic points as reparations for 10 years, ending in 1951.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10288748&postcount=63

Note the bold (and underlined) emphasis.

yep, you are right.. amended US Japan Treaty also created a mutual defense treaty between US and Japan. However, Japan has never actually paid half its income to China postwar.

Sounds like a diplomatic dispute in the offing

yep, you are right.. amended US Japan Treaty also created a mutual defense treaty between US and Japan. However, Japan has never actually paid half its income to China postwar.

Sounds like a diplomatic dispute in the offing

Made more complicated by the fact that Japan is a semi-SCT member (at least until 1955 when it gains full membership status if Japan doesn't screw around).

Fixed my build to incorporate the newly chartered Korean Airlines (1 International Airline).

Made more complicated by the fact that Japan is a semi-SCT member (at least until 1955 when it gains full membership status if Japan doesn't screw around).

This would seriously make things complicated....I can send an IC Arbitrator should things get interesting.

China's 1948 builds:

Income: 61 industry + 54 points from Japan + 34 commerce + 3 oil = 152 points total.
National Effort: 183 points + 54 Japan points + 34 commerce + 3 oil = 274 points total.
Expeditures: 7 points = military, 49 points = social services (218 points remaining)

Rebuild 16 industrial centers for 192 points.
Build 5 Tourism terminals for 20 points.
4 points invested in Tibet.
2 points invested in Mongolia.

4 factories repaired from natural growth.

Start of 1949 economy:

81 industry and 38 more to repair.
+5 Tourism income

Portugal: (includes Azores, East Timor, Portuguese Indian enclave of Goa)
Population: 8.5 million people, tech level 6
Production: Lisbon 6 points, plus 1 national airline, 1 International Airline, 5 shipping units, 6 colonial points
1948 budget: 1 garrison unit .5 points, 1 light infantry division .25, light cruiser .25 points, 5 destroyers .25 points, 20 corvettes .25 points, 2 pilots .5 points, 1 Corsair fighter bomber .25 points, 1 C47 unit .25 points, level 3 social spending 2.5 points

Colonies (All of which pay for themselves)

Portuguese Guinea
Population 1 million, tech level 2
No production, 1 resource to Portugal, 1948 budget: level 1 social services

Portuguese Angola
Population: 4 million, tech level 3
No production, 2 resources (cash crops, minerals), 1 oil resource
1948 budget: level 1 social services .5 points, 2 garrison units .5, other 2 resources to Portugal.

Portuguese Mozambique
Population: 6 million tech level 3
No production, 3 resources (crops and minerals) 1948 budget: level 1 social services, 1 garrison unit, remaining 2 points to Portugal.


New State of Portugal's 1948 Budget

Spending Type: Market Economy Cut Spending (Growth: 5%, Total Points: 21)

Maintenance: 1 garrison unit .5 points, 1 light infantry division .25, parachute brigade .25, light cruiser .25 points, 5 destroyers .25 points, 20 corvettes .25 points, 2 pilots .5 points, 1 Corsair fighter bomber .25 points, 1 C47 unit .25 points,

Total Spent: 2.5

Total Remaining: 18.5

Social Services: Level 3 Social Spending 2.5 points

Total Spent: 2.5

Total Remaining: 16

Intelligence Agency: 5

Total Remaining: 11

Building/Training: 1 elite pilot (will be ready in 1950), 1 shipping unit

Total Spent: 7

Total Remaining: 4

Aid to Other Nations: 1 point to France to repay loan.

Total Spent: 1

Total Remaining: 3

Colonies: .8 points for Secret Police, Spy Networks, Bribes for turning in "troublemakers."
.1 point to Portuguese Guinea for level 1 Social Services.
.1 point to Portuguese Angola and Portuguese Mozambique to arm European settlers (in case the natives ever become troublesome).
2 points to Portuguese Angola and Portuguese Mozambique to improve transportation infrastructure (2 points spent previous year: 1 year remaining.)

Total Remaining: 0

The Republic of Egypt
Population: 22 Million
Tech Level: 6
Production Center: Alexandria (3), Cairo (3)
Extra Resources: Suez Canal (2), Sudan (1), Aswan High Dam (1), Shipping (5)
Foreign Aid: Tourist Airline for Sudan (Britain), Rural Electrification for Sudan (UN*), National Airline for Sudan (UN)

Maintenance: 4.75
4 Garrison Units (1)
2 Infantry Corps (1)
2 Mechanized Divisions (1)
1 Mechanized Artillery (.5)
1 Armored Corps (.5)
1 Expert Pilot (.25)
1 Modified Vampire Jet Fighter (.5)

Production: 8
Level 2 Social Services: 2 (Half Paid by UN funds)
National Airline for Egypt: 5
Mechanized Infantry Division: 2 (Equipped with Palestinian Weapons)

Foreign Aid:
Germany: 1
Ethiopia: 1 (Loan)

Budget: 15
Total Costs: 14.75
Extra Points for Next Year: 3.25

*Paid for both years

Build 1949

42 prod centers-
Kiel 3, Copenhagen 5, Stockholm 5, Gothenburg 5, Karlskrona 5, Norrkoping 5, Oslo 5, Petrograd 5, Helsinki 3, Tallin 1
30 shipping units
4 airlines
80 points Prod centers(National Effort), 40 points commerce, 2 points tourism

30.5 points- maintenance
6 points-lv 3 social
6 points-Nuke program
5 points-intel agency
12 points-nuclear fueling(year 1 of 4)
24 points IRBM research
4 points-airport terminal Murmansk(Cancelled)
4 points-airport terminal Petrograd(cancelled)
6 points-aid to Turkics(minus 1)
5 points-aid to Palestine
9 points-upgrade 3 fighters to F101 Voodoo's

+1 prod center from growth(Murmansk)

Federated Asian States Build for 1949

Spending Type: Market Economy National Effort Fifth and Final Year (Total Points: 137.5)

Maintenance:
x6 Garrison 1.5
x4 Mechanized 2
x4 Pilots 0
x4 C47 1
x1 Light Ship unit .25
x1 HQ Units 1
x5 Light Infantry 1.25
x3 Armored 1.5 point
Total Spent: 8.5

Total Remaining: 129 points

Social Services:
Level 1 Social Services for everyone (36 points)

Total Spent: 44.5

Total Remaining: 93

Training:
none

Total Spent: 44.5

Total Remaining: 93

Aid to Other Nations:
Tibet 17

Total Spent: 61.5

Total Remaining: 76

Building:
10 points for increasing Afghanistans transportation (year three, completion)
21 points for 7 cruise ship terminals
21 points for 7 international airports
24 points for 1 production center (Agra)
Total Spent: 134.5

Total Remaining: 0

Projected 1950 Budget:
34 Commerce + 62.5 Production(29.5 +1% of 75.5 = 30.25, +1 production center, total production centers:31.25) + 6 Colonial + 3 Oil + 20 tourism(Civil Strife over, return to normal tourism income) = 125.5 points

USEA 1949 build

Population: 40 million
Tech level: 6
Government: Social Democracy
Economy: Captalist [Peace time {3% growth + 10% Rural Electrification bonus= 13%}]


Economic budget: 52 points (Production centers[24]: Hanoi 2, Saigon, 2, Vientene 2, Pnomh Penh 2, Bangkok 2, Haiphong 2. Commerce[15]: 1x National Airline 2, 13x Shipping Units 13 [6,500,000 million tons]. Tourism [3]: Saigon 1, Bangkok 1, Hanoi 1 .Natural Growth[10]: 5 )

Domestic:

Level 3 Social spending- 12 points

9x Shipping unit (500,000 tons)- 27 points

1x Cruise ship Terminal (Saigon)- 4 points

Infrastructure Improvement (TRP)- 2 points (30% complete)

Military:

Maintenace:
4 infantry corps 2 points,
1 parachute brigade .25 points,
1 HQ unit 1 point,
1 marine light infantry brigade .25 points,
2 flak groups .5 points,
1 mechanized infantry division .5 points.
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1 F84 fighter bomber unit .5 points,
1 C47 transport unit .25 points,
1 AD1 Skyraider light bomber unit .25 points,
3 expert pilots .75 points,
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1 light ship unit (10 destroyers) .25 points,
2 light ship units (40 corvettes) .5 points,

TOTAL= 7

Korea and Vladivostok Protected City- 1949 builds:

Population 33 million
Tech level 7 (all shipping now 1.5pts)
Constitutional Monarchy
Market Economy, peacetime 3%

Production centers: Seoul 3 Pusan 3 Pyongyang 2 Vladivostok 2, 11 shipping units, 1 national airline, 1 International Airline (Korean Airlines), and 1 point of tourism (Seoul International Airport)

42 Points (rounded)+ Growth (1.26 pts )with a new production center(adding last year's growth with this one) (OOC: Need help on new production center status!) = 43 Points (rounded) to spend

Level 3 social spending- 9 points

Foreign Aid- 11.6 points to a Pan-SCT Asian Space Program

Five points allocated to keep the Korean National Police Agency going

Korean Armed Forces

Korean Army:

2 infantry division .5 points
2 mountain infantry brigades .5 points
1 HQ unit- 1pt
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)
1 Armored Division- .5 matenance

Korean Air Force:

1 F86 fighter unit –.5 points
2 Corsair fighter bomber units .25 points
1 C47 transport unit .25
4 expert pilots 1 point
1 IL-28/H-5 Light Bomber Unit- .5 matenance

Korean Navy:

1 Light Cruiser, .5 matenance
1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance
2 Attack Submarine Groups- 1 point matenance

Total: 9.4 points

Things to buy-

4 points for a new Expert Pilot unit (gotta fly that H-5)
4 points for Pyongyang International Airport

Republic of Japan

Total: 106 points
90 points from cities, 12 from shipping, 4 from airlines

Maintenence
4 Light Infantry: 1
4 Transports: 1
Points to China: 54
Points to Australia: 1
Social Safety Net: 15
Points left: 34

Build
6 International Airports: 18
2 Elite Pilots: 8
Points for SCT Asian Space Program: 9
Points left: 0

1949's Economy for Bulgaria - Basics:

Tech Level 7, Population: about 7 million, 3% Annual Growth

12 points from Internal Production
6 points from 2 Shipping Units
2 points from National Airline
1 point for Airport in Sofia to supplement Aerodroma Sofiya
3 points for Education and Social Welfare
Rural Electricity and Transportation are on going as well...

Possible New Production Center in Sofia, Plovdiv, Varna or Burgas...

Same Military Maintain and rebuilding as before...but we are in the market for new materials for the Army, Navy and Royal Air Force.

I have a question concerning tourism. I built a jet terminal in sydney in 1948, and I have a population of 15 million. Does this mean that in 1949 i recieve an additional income of 1.5 points? If this is true, then additional jet terminals will not improve my income?

Ok, so I've reached my maximum potential. What do I do with the extra growth? Can I send at least some of it overseas to make production centers for other countries?

1949
The United Egyptian and Sudanese Republics
Population: 22 Million
Tech Level: 6
Production Center: Cairo (4), Alexandria (3)
Extra Resources: Suez Canal (2), Aswan High Dam (1), Shipping (5), National Airline (2)
Sudan Production: Khartoum* (1), Tourism (1), Rural Electrification (.5), National Airline (2)
Foreign Aid: Germany (4 Shipping Units)

Maintenance: 5.25
4 Garrison Units (1)
2 Infantry Corps (1)
3 Mechanized Divisions (1.5)
1 Mechanized Artillery (.5)
1 Armored Corps (.5)
1 Expert Pilot (.25)
1 Vampire Jet Fighter (.5)

Production: 17.5
Level 1 Social Services: 2.25
Tourist Services for Egypt (Airport): 4
Tourist Services for Egypt (Cruise Ship): 4
National Airline for Egypt: 5
Rural Electrification for Egypt: 2
Pro-Unity Propaganda: .25

Foreign Aid: 2
Germany: 1
Ethiopia: 1 (Loan)
UN: 1 (Paid for with UN-aid leftovers)

Budget: 21.5
Remainders from Last Year: 3.25
Total Budget: 24.75
Total Costs: 24.75

*Changed the 1 production point of Sudan into an actual Production Center for organization

German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 71 (2) 2 oil points, 5 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 4(1), Hannover 4(1), Stuttgart 5, Pozan 3, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 142 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+5 tourist+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)+.25 FNS aid= 200.25 points

Maintainance (24.25):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.5 points
5 Elite Pilots-5 points
8 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-6
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
4 TA183D-2 points

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (37):
Level 4 for 75 Million-37 points

Civilian Builds (99):

Air Terminal (Rhine Area), Air Terminal (Munich)-8 points

Year 3 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-2 points

Repair 2 Production Centers (1 Koln, 1 Hannover), Create 2 Production Centers (Poznan)-1% growth

Aid to Saudi Arabia-24 points
Aid to China-12 points
Aid to Syria-12 points
Aid to Egypt-12 points

Military Builds (40):

2xHighly Trained Mech Inf-8 points

4xHighly Trained Pilots-8 points

Atomic Bomb Research-24 points

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German Build 1950
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 75, 2 oil points, 7 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Munich, 1 Rhine Area), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 5, Hannover 5, Stuttgart 5, Poznan 5, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 150 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+7 tourist= 207 points

1949 Expected:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1949 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
7 x Jet Fighters (Me-17) = 3.5p
3 x Jet Fighter (Me-18)= 1.5
1 x Jet Light Bomber (B57) = 1p
1 x Heavy Jet Bomber = 1p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Carrier Jet Fighter Units = .5p
1 x Carrier Light Bomber Units = .25p
3 x Fleet Carrier Battlegroup= 3p (Vincente Sewell, Dario Echandia, Francisco de Paula Santander)
2 x Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
15 x Pilots Upgrade = 7.5p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x Upgraded MRBM = 1p
Total Cost: 41p

Civil Expendatures: Level V, 15p

Other Expendatures (53):
12 Points to Research (Missile and Rocket Research, shared with Britain and US)
24 points to Nuclear Fission Research (Second Year, Shared with SU)

Foreign Aid:
17 Points to be reviewed.

South African Budget 1949
Population: 25,117,000
Income: 72
Production: 38 (19 production centers)
Commerce: 30 (20 shipping units)
Airline: 4
Annual Growth: 3% (Market)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep- 12.75 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-7.5 points

Government Projects
1x Gun Cruiser converted to Missile Cruiser-2 points
Advanced Research Grants-12 points
Meteorological Monitoring Stations-24 points
2x Jet-capable airport (Cape Town and Pretoria)-8 points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Surplus
.25 points

Projected 1950 Income: 78 (+2 production centers from growth (4 points), +2 tourism)

France
Economy: Market.

Production centers available:42

Commerce:
1 national airline, 1 international airline, 21 shipping units

Population: 44 milllion People

Industrial Centres:
Paris 6, Nantes 3, Lille 6, Marseilles 5, Toulouse 5, Rouen 6, Vichy 5, Lyon 6

Tech Level: 7

1949 Budget <Cut Spending>
Income:
Production Centeres: 42/2= 21 points
Commerce:
Shipping= 31.5 points
National Airline= 2 points
International Airline= 2 points
Loan Repayment:
Portugal=1 point

Total= 57.5 Points

Expenditure:
Level 4 Social Services= 22 points
Military Maintenance= 3.75 points
Inteligance Budget= 5 points
Rural electrication= 5 points (year 2 out of 2)

ESA Research= 6 points (To Heligoland Space Centre)

Forign Investment in Northwest Africa:
Improvement of Infrastructure= 2 points (Year 2 out of 3)

Points Left For Forign Investment= 13.75 points :
Balkan aid package (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10530871&postcount=327) <if not denied>

Total= 57.7 points

Growth= .05*56.5 (loan points do not count I persume)= 2.825-> 3 production centres In Nantes (2) and Vichy (1)

Parthini']German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 71 (2) 2 oil points, 5 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 4(1), Hannover 4(1), Stuttgart 5, Pozan 3, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 142 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+5 tourist+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)+.25 FNS aid= 200.25 points

Maintainance (24.25):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.5 points
5 Elite Pilots-5 points
8 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-6
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
4 TA183D-2 points

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (37):
Level 4 for 75 Million-37 points

Civilian Builds (99):

Air Terminal (Rhine Area), Air Terminal (Munich)-8 points

Year 3 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-2 points

Repair 2 Production Centers (1 Koln, 1 Hannover), Create 2 Production Centers (Poznan)-1% growth

Aid to Saudi Arabia-24 points
Aid to China-12 points
Aid to Syria-12 points
Aid to Egypt-12 points

Military Builds (40):

2xHighly Trained Mech Inf-8 points

4xHighly Trained Pilots-8 points

Atomic Bomb Research-24 points

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German Build 1950
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 75, 2 oil points, 7 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Munich, 1 Rhine Area), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 5, Hannover 5, Stuttgart 5, Poznan 5, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 150 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+7 tourist= 207 points


After some deliberation, the Kaiser has decided that National Effort will continue for the 5th and final year to help rebuild the Armed Forces.

German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 71 (2) 2 oil points, 5 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 4(1), Hannover 4(1), Stuttgart 5, Pozan 3, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 213 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+5 tourist+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)+FNS Assistance= 271.25 points

Maintainance (24.25):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.5 points
5 Elite Pilots-5 points
8 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-6
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
4 TA183D-2 points

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (37):
Level 4 for 75 Million-37 points

Civilian Builds (95):

Air Terminal (Rhine Area)-4 points

Year 3 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-2 points

Repair 2 Production Centers (1 Koln, 1 Hannover), Create 2 Production Centers (Poznan)-1% growth

Aid to Saudi Arabia-24 points
Aid to China-12 points
Aid to Syria-12 points
Aid to Egypt-12 points

Military Builds (115):

11xHighly Trained Garrisons-33 points

2xParatroopers-4 points

3xMech Artillery-15 points

3xMech Flak-15 points

1xHQ-10 points

1xElite Pilot-4 points

4xHighly Trained Pilots-8 points

1xArado Ar 232-2 points

Nuclear Bomb Construction Year 1 of 3-24 points

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German Build 1950
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 75, 2 oil points, 6 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 5, Hannover 5, Stuttgart 5, Poznan 5, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 150 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+6 tourist= 206 points

Parthini']After some deliberation, the Kaiser has decided that National Effort will continue for the 5th and final year to help rebuild the Armed Forces.




Atomic Bomb Research-24 points

ooc
You don't have to invest in atomic bomb research, you already know how to build one from when you were part of the Union. However, you can spend 24 points to build the infrastructure needed for nuclear programs (the seperation facilities etc).

BUT

IC
The Dutch, Burgundians, and Belgians protest, and in Italy and the Scandic Union, pressure is placed on their governments to protest and similar pressure arises in Britian concerning German nuclear programs. Pressure is placed on the US, Canadian and Belgian government not to sell uranium to Germany, and the Russians drag their feet as well.

(still considerable bad feelings against Germany in all of those nations)

ooc
Germany will have to make some promises regarding its nuclear technology to reduce concerns. Japan and Russia will face similar problems should they try to develop nuclear programs

OOC: I told you I wouldn't let you get nukes, and now your getting nukes while building a very large military...coincidence?

Did some major edits-new pilot for that H-5, new h-5 matenance cost, etc.

British Builds 1949
(Important bits are italicised). Standard market economy, 3% growth

Production Centres: 72 as follows: 12 London, 10 Birmingham, 5 Leeds, 5 Manchester, 5 Hull, 5 Liverpool, 5 Glasgow, 5 Newcastle, 5 Sheffield, 5 Edinburgh, 5 Coventry, 5 Bristol.

INCOME
Production Centres: 144 points
Colonial Support: 18 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units of shipping, 10 liners), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 5 points (London airports: Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead; Birmingham airport; Dover cruise terminal)
Imperial tourism: 7 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; Nigeria airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal; Tanzania airport)
From German government for ESA manned launches: 2 points
From French government for ESA manned launches: 2 points
From Australian government to aid nuclear research: 9 points
From German government for nuclear power program: 12 points

TOTAL: 249

growth yields 7 new production facilities for next year.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 54
level 4 social services for UK (50m): 25
level 4 social services for Empire (90m): 45
level 4 social serviced for British, Moroccan and Algerian UN mandates (20m): 10
Military Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
24 points for nuclear weapons program (year 3 of 3)
24 points for nuclear power program (year 2 of 3)
12 points to finish IRBM missile program (24/24 complete)
12 points to start ICBM research (12/48 complete)
12 points for Space Program (1st Mercury style missions)
5 points for manned mission costs

Extraordinary Expenditure:
7 points of foreign aid to India.
4 points of foreign aid to Burma
5 points of foreign aid to Ceylon
5 points of foreign aid to Ghana

Total: 249

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A good year for Britain (and Europe) coming up. The first British nuclear tests, followed by the first ESA sub-orbital launch. Then nuclear power stations by next year...

1949 Budget Updated for German Aid

British Builds 1949
(Important bits are italicised). Standard market economy, 3% growth


Military Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
24 points for nuclear weapons program (year 3 of 3)
24 points for nuclear power program (year 2 of 3)
12 points to finish IRBM missile program (24/24 complete)
12 points to start ICBM research (12/48 complete)
12 points for Space Program (1st Mercury style missions)
5 points for manned mission costs

...

you can't research ICBMs until you actually finish IRBMs (in other words, this year finish IRBMs, and 1950 start researching ICBMs)

you can however, send a man into space (but not orbit) in 1950 as you will have IRBMs. Allocate the ICBM money to manned space flight and you will be in business.

You only need 12 points for the nuclear weapons program to continue improvements, as you now have the H-Bomb (as you got it when the US did)

Incidently, when it becomes apparant to the US that the UK is sharing nuclear information with the Germans, the US/UK nuclear partnership will end.

GB, how would we represent the purchase of uranium or plutonium? South Africa has a lot of uranium, and we're always willing to negotiate business.

Yeah, do I have to get uranium from somewhere? If so, consider it bought from the Afrikaaners

Build 1949

42 prod centers-
Kiel 3, Copenhagen 5, Stockholm 5, Gothenburg 5, Karlskrona 5, Norrkoping 5, Oslo 5, Petrograd 5, Helsinki 3, Tallin 1
30 shipping units
4 airlines
80 points Prod centers(National Effort), 40 points commerce, 2 points tourism

30.5 points- maintenance
6 points-lv 3 social
6 points-Nuke program
5 points-intel agency
12 points-nuclear fueling(year 2 of 4)
24 points IRBM research
4 points-airport terminal Murmansk(Cancelled)
4 points-airport terminal Petrograd(cancelled)
6 points-aid to Turkics(minus 1)
5 points-aid to Palestine
9 points-upgrade 3 fighters to F101 Voodoo's

+1 prod center from growth(Murmansk)

Revised build

Population:
15 million Australiasian (30 million Indonesian)

Market Economy Peacetime--Tech Level 7
(Note--last year growth was 3% of 71 = 2.1 points rounds to 2 points of growth--2 new production centers, one in Brisbane and one in Perth)
Production Centers:
Sydney 3; Melbourne 3; Adelaide 1; Canberra 1; Brisbane 3; Auckland 2; Perth 2 = 30 (note that this is the max under population limits)
Oil Points:
4 From Indonesia = 4
Colonial:
Indonesia 6 (one industrial center makes 8); New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 12
Commerce:
18 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 31
Tourism:
1 Jet Terminal in Sydney = 1

Budget for 1948: 30+4+12+31+1=78 points

Social Spending:
Level 5 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--15 points
Level 2 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--2 points
Level 3 Social Services to Indonesia = 9 points
26 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
2 Cruisers--1 point
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
10 Subs (2 units)--1 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
5 Pilots at Expert Level--1.25 point
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions--1 point
2 Garrison Units at Average level--1 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (average training)--0.5 points
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
Airforce (3 jet fighters, 1 light bomber, 1 fighter-bomber, 1 transport)--2.25 points
12.5 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 Hawker Hunter jet fighter unit--2 points
1 Expert Pilot Unit--2 points
4 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
4 Points to Build Jet Terminal in Melbourne
4 Points Spent

Foreign Aid:
9 Points to Britain--Nuclear Development
9 Points Spent

26+12.5+4+4+9=55.5 Points Spent (22.5 points to spend. Any ideas??)

LR, did you get the 12 points for nuclear power research and 4 points for ESA research?

China's build for 1949:

Income: 81 industry + 54 points from Japan + 12 from Germany + 44 commerce + 3 oil + 5 tourism = 194 points total.
National Effort: 243 points + 54 Japan points + 12 German points + 44 commerce + 3 oil + 5 tourism = 356 points total.
Expeditures: 7 points = military, 49 points = social services (300 points remaining)

Builds:

Rebuild 18 industrial centers for 216 points.
Build 15 tourism terminals for 60 points (maximum reached).
18 points invested in Tibet
4 points invested in Mongolia
2 points for 1 pilot unit.

Miscellanous:

6 factories repaired from natural growth.

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Start of 1950 economy:

105 industry and 14 more to repair.
+15 more tourist income (maximum of 20 tourist income reached)

Projected 1950 Income: 105 industry + 44 commerce + 3 oil + 20 tourism = 172 points total.

you can't research ICBMs until you actually finish IRBMs (in other words, this year finish IRBMs, and 1950 start researching ICBMs)

you can however, send a man into space (but not orbit) in 1950 as you will have IRBMs. Allocate the ICBM money to manned space flight and you will be in business.

You only need 12 points for the nuclear weapons program to continue improvements, as you now have the H-Bomb (as you got it when the US did)

Incidently, when it becomes apparant to the US that the UK is sharing nuclear information with the Germans, the US/UK nuclear partnership will end.

OK thanks, i'll make the changes now.

The Anglo-German project is only for nuclear power stations, but if the US still feels that way then Britain is OK with that for teh time being. But would always consider working with the US on any projects that she is willing to share.

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LR, did you get the 12 points for nuclear power research and 4 points for ESA research?

Yep, but I forgot about half of the ESA points for some reason. I'll change my build accordingly. Incidentally the research costs should be 6 points, but Britain will subsidize the missing points in recoignition of German help in manning Heligoland and paying maintenence for it as well as cooperation in Nuclear power research.

British Builds 1949
(Important bits are italicised). Standard market economy, 3% growth

Production Centres: 72 as follows: 12 London, 10 Birmingham, 5 Leeds, 5 Manchester, 5 Hull, 5 Liverpool, 5 Glasgow, 5 Newcastle, 5 Sheffield, 5 Edinburgh, 5 Coventry, 5 Bristol.

INCOME
Production Centres: 144 points
Colonial Support: 18 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units of shipping, 10 liners), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 5 points (London airports: Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead; Birmingham airport; Dover cruise terminal)
Imperial tourism: 7 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; Nigeria airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal; Tanzania airport)
From German government for ESA research and launches: 6 points
From French government for ESA research and launches: 6 points
From Australian government to aid nuclear research: 9 points
From German government for nuclear power program: 12 points

TOTAL: 257

growth yields 8 new production facilities for next year.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 54
level 4 social services for UK (50m): 25
level 4 social services for Empire (90m): 45
level 4 social serviced for British, Moroccan and Algerian UN mandates (20m): 10
Military Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
12 points for nuclear weapons program (year 3 of 3)
24 points for nuclear power program (year 2 of 3)
12 points to finish IRBM missile program (24/24 complete)
24 points for Space Program (1st Mercury style missions)
5 points for manned mission costs (for 1950 launch)

Extraordinary Expenditure:
7 points of foreign aid to India.
5 points of foreign aid to Burma
5 points of foreign aid to Ceylon
5 points of foreign aid to Ghana
5 points of foreign aid to Nigeria
1 Avro Vulcan Aircraft @4 points each = 4 points
2 pilot unit @ 2 points = 4 points
1 transport helicopter @ 2 points = 2 points
1 parachute brigade @ 2 points = 2 points
1 mountain infantry brigade @ 2 points = 2 points

Total: 257

Parthini']Yeah, do I have to get uranium from somewhere? If so, consider it bought from the Afrikaaners

its not a large enough purchase to worry about point wise, but, in order to obtain Uranium, you will have to obtain it from a country that has uranium, and specifically says it will sell it to you.

major sources are Australia, Russia, US, Canada, Niger (currently British Mandate), Czechslovakia, Ukraine, Brazil, China, Central Asian Republic, Mexico, Belgian Congo, South Africa.

http://www.uic.com.au/nip34.htm

The US, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, Central Asian Republic, Mexico, and Belgium will not sell uranium to Germany (for various reasons). However, Brazil will, and Czechslovakia will if Germany signs the current treaty on nuclear weapons being discussed in the UN. South Africa may or may not depending on player decision. It is assumed however that the British will sell you uranium at this time.

Plutonium can only be purchased from a nation that is willing to sell it to you, and has an existing nuclear program or you develop your program and can get it that way.

Parthini']After some deliberation, the Kaiser has decided that National Effort will continue for the 5th and final year to help rebuild the Armed Forces.

German Build 1949
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 71 (2) 2 oil points, 5 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 4(1), Hannover 4(1), Stuttgart 5, Pozan 3, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 213 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+5 tourist+3 foriegn shipping points (Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia)+FNS Assistance= 271.25 points

Maintainance (24.25):
9 Highly Trained Garrisons-4.5 points
5 Elite Pilots-5 points
8 Highly Trained Mechanized Inf-6
1 Alpine-.25
1 Mech Flak-.5
1 Mech Artillery-.5

1 Destroyer Squadron-.25

Arado Ar 232-.25 points
4 TA183D-2 points

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (37):
Level 4 for 75 Million-37 points

Civilian Builds (121):

Air Terminal (Rhine Area)-4 points

Year 3 of 3 Improve Transport Network-15 points

Nuclear Power Research-12 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-2 points

Repair 2 Production Centers (1 Koln, 1 Hannover), Create 2 Production Centers (Poznan)-1% growth

Aid to Saudi Arabia-24 points
Aid to China-12 points
Aid to Syria-12 points
Aid to Egypt-12 points

Debt Repayment to Colombia-26 out of 36 points
Military Builds (91):

11xHighly Trained Garrisons-33 points

2xParatroopers-4 points

3xMech Artillery-15 points

3xMech Flak-15 points

1xHQ-10 points

1xElite Pilot-4 points

4xHighly Trained Pilots-8 points

1xArado Ar 232-2 points

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German Build 1950
Population: 75 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Production: 75, 2 oil points, 6 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 30 shipping units (3 surplus)
Hamburg 5, Essen 5, Dusseldorf 5, Koln 5, Hannover 5, Stuttgart 5, Poznan 5, Nuremburg 5, Leipzig 5, Dresden 5, Berlin 5, Munich 5, Stettin 5, Danzig 5, Vienna 5

Regular Spending: 150 Industry+2 oil+8 airline+40 shipping+6 tourist= 206 points

Edited to reflect delayed Nuclear Production and Colombian Repayment.

1949:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1949 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
7 x Jet Fighters (Me-17) = 3.5p
3 x Jet Fighter (Me-18)= 1.5
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Carrier Jet Fighter Units = .5p
1 x Carrier Light Bomber Units = .25p
3 x Fleet Carrier Battlegroup= 3p (Vincente Sewell, Dario Echandia, Francisco de Paula Santander)
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
14 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x Upgraded MRBM = 1p
Total Cost: 40.5p

Civil Expendatures: Level V, 15p

Other Expendatures (53.5 + 26 from Germany):
24 points to Nuclear Fission Research (Second Year, Shared with SU)
10 x F/M-107 upgrade (3p each) = 30p
1 x Tu-95 = 6p
4 points towards Natives in Gran Colombia.
15p to Reserve Bank of Colombia

Updated... upgraded all fighters, bought Tu-95... etc.

Population:
15 million Australiasian (30 million Indonesian)

Market Economy Peacetime--Tech Level 7
(Note--last year growth was 3% of 71 = 2.1 points rounds to 2 points of growth--2 new production centers, one in Brisbane and one in Perth)
Production Centers:
Sydney 3; Melbourne 3; Adelaide 1; Canberra 1; Brisbane 3; Auckland 2; Perth 2 = 30 (note that this is the max under population limits)
Oil Points:
4 From Indonesia = 4
Colonial:
Indonesia 6 (one industrial center makes 8); New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 12
Commerce:
18 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 31
Tourism:
1 Jet Terminal in Sydney = 1

Budget for 1948: 30+4+12+31+1=78 points

Social Spending:
Level 5 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--15 points
Level 2 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--2 points
Level 3 Social Services to Indonesia = 9 points
26 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
2 Cruisers--1 point
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
10 Subs (2 units)--1 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
5 Pilots at Expert Level--1.25 point
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions--1 point
2 Garrison Units at Average level--1 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (average training)--0.5 points
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
Airforce (3 jet fighters, 1 light bomber, 1 fighter-bomber, 1 transport)--2.25 points
12.5 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 Hawker Hunter jet fighter unit--2 points
1 Expert Pilot Unit--2 points
4 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
4 Points to Build Jet Terminal in Melbourne
4 Points Spent

Foreign Aid:
9 Points to Britain--Nuclear Development
9 Points Spent

26+12.5+4+4+9=55.5 Points Spent (22.5 points to spend. Any ideas??)

Please note the following distribution of the spare points:
12 to Begin Production Center in Indonesia
5.5 to "civilize" New Guinea--infastructure to connect population centers like Port Moresby and general taming of the jungle.
5 to World Bank.

OOC: I got some help from Parthini and this is my first build.

Brazil's Build 1949
Population: 32 million, tech level 6
Production centers: Sao Paulo 3, Recife 1, Rio de Janerio 1, national airline, international airline, 6 shipping units

(Cut Spending) 5 industry+4 airline+6 shipping=15 points

Maintanance:
Level III social Spending-9 points

4 Garrison-2 points
1 light ship-.25
1 Fury Fighter-.25
3 regular pilots-free
2 infantry divison-.5
total-3 points

Builds:
Air Terminal (Rio de Janeiro) Year 1 of 2-2 points
"Administrative Spending"-1

1949:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1949 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
7 x Jet Fighters (Me-17) = 3.5p
3 x Jet Fighter (Me-18)= 1.5
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
11 x Pilots Upgrade = 5.5p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x Upgraded MRBM = 1p
Total Cost: 35.25p

Civil Expendatures: Level V, 15p

Other Expendatures (59.25 + 26 from Germany):
24 points to Nuclear Fission Research (Second Year, Shared with SU)
8 x F/M-107 upgrade (3p each) = 24p
1 x Tu-95 = 6p
4 points towards Natives in Gran Colombia.
10.5 Points to World Bank
10.5 Points for Tax Cuts

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1950 Proposed Budget:

Gran Colombia (Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Ecuador, Surinam, Guyana, French Guyana, Martinique, Guadeloupe)
Population: 14 million
Tech level 7
Production centers: Panama 5, Cartegena 2, Mariacoba 2, Caracas 2, Bogota 3
Oil Points:
7 Oil Points
Special:
6 points from Panama Canal, 2 points from Ecuador (cash crops and minerals), 1 point from Surinam (minerals), 1 point from Guyana (cash crops)
1950 budget:
59 points + 50 points from International Trade = 109p

Upkeep/Military:
4 x Mechanized Divisions = 4p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
8 x Jet Fighters (M-108) = 8
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
3 x Light Ships (15 Destroyers) = .75p
2 x Light Ships (20 Frigates) = .5
11 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x Upgraded MRBM = 1p
Total Cost: 38.25p

Civil Expendatures: Level V, 15p

Other Expendatures (56.5 + 10 [Assumed] from Germany):
24 points to Nuclear Fission Research (Third Year, Shared with SU)
12 points to ICBM research
12 for 10 frigates
5 points to World Bank/UN development fund
7.5 points to cover further tax cut
6 Points for Free Milk to Population

decommissioned the three carriers, their wings, and their pilots.

decommissioned the three carriers, their wings, and their pilots.

Any chance you want to sell one or more of those bad boys?

That is, unless the Meteor of d00m called "GB leaving" obliterates the world...

New Economic Thread is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10559619&postcount=1

Don't post in this thread anymore; it's obsolete.

New Economic Thread is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10559619&postcount=1

Don't post in this thread anymore; it's obsolete.

Added the new link to the new economic thread in E20 Main Thread. This economic thread will still be linked but for reference purposes only.