NationStates Jolt Archive

Thank you.

I am just glad that we avoided un-necessary bloodshed and deaths.

Hopefully we will meet again in space, under better terms several NS decades or centuries down the line.

Go in peace,
~President Rand Veristek

Unlikely ...If you practice Imperialism anywhere near any of my holding on Earth or otherwise I will not be as easy to deal with I promise you.

Unlikely ...If you practice Imperialism anywhere near any of my holding on Earth or otherwise I will not be as easy to deal with I promise you.

I'm a little confused. What Earth holdings do you speak of? Earth V? Or NS Earth?

Also, isn't colonizing a form of imperialism?

As in starwars? Lol, don't talk to me, thalk to Mr. Moon over there. Also, just to let you all know, on the sight it says they are aiming for light speed capibilities. i think its Bogus so i am now going to rp them without lightspeed. Which is really stupid. Moon colonies and mining mionerals on the moon is really stupid as well.

Vineyard what about that secret you mentioned to Kormanthor, do you have illegal space tech?

By the way I have made a deal with Kormanthor to buy his on planet navy

Vineyard what about that secret you mentioned to Kormanthor, do you have illegal space tech?
Just a space station and a couple of space fighters. No space cruisers or Starships or any moon conolizing. I should state that you have a elevator to the moon (Which is impossible) i believe.

Just a space station and a couple of space fighters. No space cruisers or Starships or any moon conolizing. I should state that you have a elevator to the moon (Which is impossible) i believe.

It is not impossible and I got permission to build it. Oh and I believe your post to Kormanthor said two hundred space fighters not a couple. And if
you are allowed to keep your space station then I will purchase the one
Kormanthor has in orbit, as well as the shuttles. Also I will start manufacturing
star fighters too.


This is the link to Kormanthors Space Elevator Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370283

This is the link to my build up thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7993900#post7993900

It is not impossible and I got permission to build it. Oh and I believe your post to Kormanthor said two hundred space fighters not a couple.



This is the link to Kormanthors Space Elevator Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370283

This is the link to my build up thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7993900#post7993900


A space elevator would be impossible to create to connect the Earth to the moon.

Quite simple.

It's because the moon revolves around Earth, and if a space elevator connects the moon to the British Virgin Islands, the space elevator would snap in half. One end would stay attached to either Earth or the Moon.

It would be virtually impossible to force the Moon to stay in one position over Earth, instead of its traditional rotation around Earth.

This would also create immeasurable havoc to Earth's ecosystem with the massive disruption of tides and the disruption of the Moon's gravity on Earth.

A space elevator would be impossible to create to connect the Earth to the moon.

Quite simple.

It's because the moon revolves around Earth, and if a space elevator connects the moon to the British Virgin Islands, the space elevator would snap in half. One end would stay attached to either Earth or the Moon.

It would be virtually impossible to force the Moon to stay in one position over Earth, instead of its traditional rotation around Earth.

This would also create immeasurable havoc to Earth's ecosystem with the massive disruption of tides and the disruption of the Moon's gravity on Earth.


It doesn't go to the moon, only into orbit. Its a cheap way to put satillites
in orbit.

It doesn't go to the moon, only into orbit. Its a cheap way to put satillites
in orbit.

This is all right by me. I recongize your space elevator (as long as it only goes to orbit, not the actual Moon) in the interest of fairness.

This is all right by me. I recongize your space elevator (as long as it only goes to orbit, not the actual Moon) in the interest of fairness.


Check it out yourself:

This is the link to Kormanthors Space Elevator Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370283

It is not impossible and I got permission to build it. Oh and I believe your post to Kormanthor said two hundred space fighters not a couple. And if
you are allowed to keep your space station then I will purchase the one
Kormanthor has in orbit, as well as the shuttles. Also I will start manufacturing
star fighters too.


This is the link to Kormanthors Space Elevator Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370283

This is the link to my build up thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7993900#post7993900
You are NOT permitted to build space fighters, as all existing models belong to me. and yes, it is perfectly impossibel to have a moon elevator. Any fool would know that.

KorIncursion? I just saw that in your link. You're his puppet. I thought you were leaving.

Check it out yourself:

This is the link to Kormanthors Space Elevator Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370283

I affix my stamp of approval / recongition upon this technology. I recongize V.I. as having this Space Elevator in the British Virgin Islands. :)

You are NOT permitted to build space fighters, as all existing models belong to me. and yes, it is perfectly impossibel to have a moon elevator. Any fool would know that.

KorIncursion? I just saw that in your link. You're his puppet. I thought you were leaving.

I have access to space fighter technology of my own design. Scrap yours
or I will start manufacturing my own. I will not allow you to have a the only
space fighters on Earth V.

I affix my stamp of approval / recongition upon this technology. I recongize V.I. as having this Space Elevator in the British Virgin Islands. :)

Thank You Sharina

I affix my stamp of approval / recongition upon this technology. I recongize V.I. as having this Space Elevator in the British Virgin Islands. :)


Hey I'm all for it too. It's fine by mean. Not to you or anyone, but this thing is one big expensive target.

Ok, so is there going to be an world war of not?

I have NO land in America so im invading the empty South Carolina

Going FT sounds pretty fun actually, like an FT earth or something

Paratroopers landed today in South Carolina and the restless area (anarchy) is falling to the lure of Revertromance and its government (constitutional monarchy) The people seemed tired of their old government and are willing to accept the coup.

Annexation of South Carolina is underway with delagates meeting in Martinque

Hey I'm all for it too. It's fine by mean. Not to you or anyone, but this thing is one big expensive target.

You attack my Space Elevator I will destroy your country

Security around the Space Elevator was increased today because of a
terrorist threat that was recieved.

Today VI's entire Navy was raised to Def Con 3 because of the terrorist threat
and information concerning possible plans of attack on the BVI's uncovered by the VIIA.

(OOC: kopperbargs if you see this add it to the map please)

South Caorlina was admitted to Revertromance as an northern province and allows Revertromance an hand in North America. Under the annexation all citizens of the, currently anarchy, state of South Carolina become citizens under my nation.

Today VI's entire Navy was raised to Def Con 3

dude, you really need to settle down. I never threatened you. I was telling the truth. And you dont need to get to close to fire dozens of missles at a floating ancor in space

(I also love how you think you just run all over my country ;) )

dude, you really need to settle down. I never threatened you. I was telling the truth. And you dont need to get to close to fire dozens of missles at a floating ancor in space

First of all I'm not a dude, secondly missiles can be traced back to the
source. So as long as you make sure they don't trace back to you ...
we'll get along fine.

okay, dude, I never said I was going to attack you. I have no intention. I am currently making a plan to making my anti-missle defese advanced enough to stop %99.99 of missiles thoughout the entier country. Not just the boarders and military instillations.

Security around the Space Elevator was increased today because of a
terrorist threat that was recieved.

Communication to Virgin Incursion:

Greetings, friend.

I have taken notice of the heightened security around your Space Elevator. I would like to provide assistance in watching for possible terrorist attacks, or enemy forces.

A fine piece of construction and priceless tool of Earth must not be destroyed.

I am willing to order my Veristek Space Station to take station near the space end of the Space Elevator, and several satellites to maintain constant survillance of the Space Elevator and surrounding areas within a 300 kilometer radius.

I have defenses on board my space station, as well as several space shuttles equipped with two types of weapons, the rail-gun and Metalstorm cannons. They can intercept any enemy space force who may want to cause damage to your Space Elevator.

Inform me what type of support you would like.

Live well and prosper.
~President Rand Veristek

okay, dude, I never said I was going to attack you. I have no intention. I am currently making a plan to making my anti-missle defese advanced enough to stop %99.99 of missiles thoughout the entire country. Not just the boarders and military instillations.

Besides I have an investment in that Elevator. Also I am willing to sell the
service that it represents to recoop the investment.

Communication to Virgin Incursion:

Greetings, friend.

I have taken notice of the heightened security around your Space Elevator. I would like to provide assistance in watching for possible terrorist attacks, or enemy forces.

A fine piece of construction and priceless tool of Earth must not be destroyed.

I am willing to order my Veristek Space Station to take station near the space end of the Space Elevator, and several satellites to maintain constant survillance of the Space Elevator and surrounding areas within a 300 kilometer radius.

I have defenses on board my space station, as well as several space shuttles equipped with two types of weapons, the rail-gun and Metalstorm cannons. They can intercept any enemy space force who may want to cause damage to your Space Elevator.

Inform me what type of support you would like.

Live well and prosper.
~President Rand Veristek


OK so what do you expect in return?

(I just love how everyone is using super space tech now. I hate uber-space stations. They are just too impratical to waste money on. First, there isn't much to protect in space that would constitute the need for a maned crew when an unmanned sattalite could do it for less. lol)

(I just love how everyone is using super space tech now. I hate uber-space stations. They are just too impratical to waste money on. First, there isn't much to protect in space that would constitute the need for a maned crew when an unmanned sattalite could do it for less. lol)

Dude this tech is definately not future tech. Its manufacture all falls within the modern tech era.

(I just love how everyone is using super space tech now. I hate uber-space stations. They are just too impratical to waste money on. First, there isn't much to protect in space that would constitute the need for a maned crew when an unmanned sattalite could do it for less. lol)

IMPRACTICAL ... you must be kidding

(okay, the tech is there. But you must relise that soliders in space would have to train %80 of their awake time just to be able to perform combat manuvers.

and please, tell me what can be done in orbit that could be done better with a human crew than with an unmaned device.)

(I just love how everyone is using super space tech now. I hate uber-space stations. They are just too impratical to waste money on. First, there isn't much to protect in space that would constitute the need for a maned crew when an unmanned sattalite could do it for less. lol)

My space station is loosely based off the International Space Station, but considerably larger, and with more modules on it.

Metalstorm cannons are within 2000 - 2020 timeframe, as well as railguns (they already exist on warships, or are able to be built).

The only 2010 - 2020 tech I have is my SDI defenses, hydrogen fuel cells, and robotic assembly plants (to enhance factories).

I am not sure if pebblehead nuclear reactors are 2005, 2010, 2015, or 2020 tech levels.

OK so what do you expect in return?

OOC:

Not much.

I'd like to have embassies, trade, and possibly friendship treaties.

BTW, I'm curious, how many Earth V people know what a Technocracy is? :)

(okay, the tech is there. But you must relise that soliders in space would have to train %80 of their awake time just to be able to perform combat manuvers.

and please, tell me what can be done in orbit that could be done better with a human crew than with an unmaned device.)

I can think of two reasons.

Some assets are worth protecting, such as a Space Elevator, a Space Station, SDI space platforms, or communications / GPS satellites.

There are some things humans can do what computers can't. Think for themselves. Initution.

Also, having men in space would provide a pyschological and morale boost to the nation's citizens. This is because the citizens will feel more safe, knowing their own people are protecting them in space aganist possible threats.

(ah railguns, they might be good but not in outter space. You talking about missive ammounts of stress and heat on the projectile. It would break up under it's own speed. Rail guns on ships are just a bit pass 2020 IMO and they have a weakness: unless the target is really far away or you can see it, you wont be hitting anything.

I can think of two reasons.

Some assets are worth protecting, such as a Space Elevator, a Space Station, SDI space platforms, or communications / GPS satellites.

There are some things humans can do what computers can't. Think for themselves. Initution.

Also, having men in space would provide a pyschological and morale boost to the nation's citizens. This is because the citizens will feel more safe, knowing their own people are protecting them in space aganist possible threats.

If you read my post correctly I said worth protection by Manned operations. While these thing may be protected, they can be defended moreso than an UNMANNED option. If you knew what this ment, it would mean that they would be controled by people on the ground. And their own people would be protecting them from space threats. BTW when was the last time you even though about a real life threat from space?

(ah railguns, they might be good but not in outter space. You talking about missive ammounts of stress and heat on the projectile. It would break up under it's own speed. Rail guns on ships are just a bit pass 2020 IMO and they have a weakness: unless the target is really far away or you can see it, you wont be hitting anything.

I could switch them over to COIL guns.

There have already been railguns made, and keep in mind, technology accelerates quickly.

For example, in 1950, we didn't envision nanotechnology research happening in 2000. Yet it happened.

In the original Star Trek circa 1960's, they had communicators that worked like cell phones. They considered that as a 2200 - 2300 AD tech, but we have the cell phones by 1990+ AD.

So for all we know, we could have laser rifles or cannons, and improved railguns by 2020'ish.

If you read my post correctly I said worth protection by Manned operations. While these thing may be protected, they can be defended moreso than an UNMANNED option. If you knew what this ment, it would mean that they would be controled by people on the ground. And their own people would be protecting them from space threats. BTW when was the last time you even though about a real life threat from space?

Sorry. I'm reading thru several threads at once. My bad.

There's some possible real life scenario threats from space.

1. Space launched nukes.
2. Enemy space fighters.
3. Enemy space stations.

This is assuming the Cold War continued to today and to 2020+ era. We could easily have had an arms race in space.

This is true. If I had it my way then spaced would be a military no-no except for defense sattalites and atmosphere skipping jets that could barely carry anything anyway.

I forgot to add that situations with unmanned stuff can arise.

1. Computer communication equipment break down.
2. Equipment breaks down.
3. Automated tasks / computers malfunction.
4. Ground to Space communication is jammed.

In situation 1, the unmanned stuff becomes unable to operate. A manned crew can fix the broken down communications equipment, or continue operating the space vehicle according to orders and adapt to situations as they arise quickly.

Situation 2: Similiar to #1. Crews can fix / replace broken equipment.

Situation 3: If the computers or automation screws up or malfunctions, manned crews can continue operating the vehicle under manual control.

Situation 4: Manned crews can control the space vehicle, and maintain its efficiency. This feat wouldn't be possible if the vehicles were automated, because once you jam the unmanned stuff, they "drop like flies" or something similiar. SDI defense platforms would become useless.

If manned crews control platforms or vehicles in space, it would be far harder for the enemy to interfere with operation of them, as these platforms and vehicles will not rely on automation or radio / communication signals to function.

I forgot to add that situations with unmanned stuff can arise.

1. Computer communication equipment break down.
2. Equipment breaks down.
3. Automated tasks / computers malfunction.
4. Ground to Space communication is jammed.

In situation 1, the unmanned stuff becomes unable to operate. A manned crew can fix the broken down communications equipment, or continue operating the space vehicle according to orders and adapt to situations as they arise quickly.

Situation 2: Similiar to #1. Crews can fix / replace broken equipment.

Situation 3: If the computers or automation screws up or malfunctions, manned crews can continue operating the vehicle under manual control.

Situation 4: Manned crews can control the space vehicle, and maintain its efficiency. This feat wouldn't be possible if the vehicles were automated, because once you jam the unmanned stuff, they "drop like flies" or something similiar. SDI defense platforms would become useless.

If manned crews control platforms or vehicles in space, it would be far harder for the enemy to interfere with operation of them, as these platforms and vehicles will not rely on automation or radio / communication signals to function.


1. "Computer communication equipment break down."
-That is what back-ups are for.

2. Equipment breaks down.
- look at #1

3. Automated tasks / computers malfunction.
-This is highly unlikly unless you have incompetent programers and dont test programs. Also I mgith be wrong, but not many commercial sattalites have failed due to programming.

4. Ground to Space communication is jammed.
-This may be possible, but unlikly due to the fact that there would be relays and the such.

While you make valid points, it would be far more cheaper to use unmanned operations. I hope I'm not comming across as cocky, but this is how I feel.

3. Automated tasks / computers malfunction.
-This is highly unlikly unless you have incompetent programers and dont test programs. Also I mgith be wrong, but not many commercial sattalites have failed due to programming.

4. Ground to Space communication is jammed.
-This may be possible, but unlikly due to the fact that there would be relays and the such.

While you make valid points, it would be far more cheaper to use unmanned operations. I hope I'm not comming across as cocky, but this is how I feel.

I agree that back-ups are possible for #1 and #2. However there have been instances where back-ups can and do fail.

The enemy can knock out relays. There are several ways to isolate automatic systems, rendering them useless.

Manned missions / space vehicles solves these problems. Human response, igneuity, and independence would prolong the usability and survivability of space vehicles, satellites, stations, and platforms that are isolated from Ground Control by the enemy.

(ah railguns, they might be good but not in outter space. You talking about missive ammounts of stress and heat on the projectile. It would break up under it's own speed. Rail guns on ships are just a bit pass 2020 IMO and they have a weakness: unless the target is really far away or you can see it, you wont be hitting anything.

Railguns can be effectively used in space although I'm not sure what year they started manufacturing them. But here is some info I found on them:

Railguns

A railgun fires projectiles using electromagnetic force at a velocity of 5,000 feet per second. The force of the impact will obliterate targets without an explosive aid. The projectile is shot up out of the atmosphere and gravity pulls it back down into it's target at amazing speeds. When the 40 pound (Standard) projectile hits it's target there is nothing left. The kinetic energy from the projectile is enough, there is no reason to spend money on explosives, it wouldn't add to the destruction. The term railgun comes from two rails placed within the barrel of the turret. They are made from superconducting metals. Electric current is sent through one of them, and transferred back to the other, thus creating a magnetic field that propels the projectile out of the barrel. Another reason for them to not include explosives is that the imense pressure during the firing would definitely cause the explosives to blow. They can also be stored safer, and loaded at sea, as opposed to long range missles, which are far more expensive, and a ship must dock for them to be loaded.


For anyone that didn't understand anything anyone else explained, a railgun takes a metal slug (big bullet) (not lead) and propels it at extremely high velocities using spiraling magnetic fields, tests have produced guns that will shread tank armor i.e. T-72 armor, on the first shot. The projectile does not carry a warhead, and uses its mass and its kinetic energy (force) to cause extreme damage to whatever it hits. Railguns would not be feasible in truly modern tech, a few decades in the future maybe, but not now. Though somewhat impractical it can be considered the perfect projectile weapon for ships, since a direct hit to the magazine will not cause the ship to be completely destroyed when the ammunition for the guns goes of (railgun slugs don't explode remember) the only problem is the ammount of power needed to run them is extremely high and may make them out of the question without a high output power source that can spare the power. As for
"railgun rifles," unless you're gonna carry a nuclear powerplant on your back, and only fire it once (it will break your arm) it's out of the question, and "railgun rifles" wouldn't pierce walls, like in Eraser, the slug would be so small that it would vaporize on contact, with big naval guns it isn't a problem though.

Actually gauss rifles are exactly the same as rail guns and the term is often used interchangably. Technically they can be different as a rail gun relies on using a pair (or more) rails about the projectile that the round travels along, gauss rifles can use a series of "coils" that run in series down the length of the barrel.

ETC or electro thermal chemical guns come in a number of forms.
In thier msot basic form they use an electric charge to ignite a rounds propellant charge but they advance from there to a system which injects a plasma charge to ignite the propellant all the way up to a system that uses an inert chemical propellant that is converted entirely to palsma by the electric energy of the plasma ignition system.

The next step up is the ET (electro thermal) gun where the propellant consits of a tiny coin sized lump of metal which when exposed to an electric charge detonates quite forably propelling the round out of the gun.


Railguns
Rather than duplicate work already done by others, here is some information on railguns from the Center for Electromechanics at The University of Texas at Austin. The CEM site doesn't go into the basics of how railguns work, but it does show some pictures of railguns and armatures and discusses some of the capabilities of railguns.
The Basics
Railguns are very simple devices with only one moving part, the projectile, also called an armature. Railguns consist of the following parts:
The Rails
These give the gun its name. They are generally made out of thick copper bars, but can be any conductive material. These rails run parallel to each other with a gap between them for the armature. They must be capable of conducting very high currents (MAmp and higher) and must be braced as the electromagnetic forces on them are tremendous.
The Armature
So-called because it is the moving portion of an electric device, the armature is the projectile. It closes the loop between the rails and is forced along the barrel (the space between the rails) by tremendous electromagnetic forces. These can either be solid pieces of conductive metal or they can be a conductive sabot with some kind of dart or sub-caliber penetrator.
The Power Supply
Railguns require tremendous currents to generate the necessary magnetic fields. The voltage required will vary with the resistance of the railgun, which is usually fairly low. The power supply must be able to supply a burst of very high current. Typically, the current will be in the millions of Amperes, while the duration will be only tens of milliseconds. Ideally, the current will ramp up very quickly and stay at its maximum level until just before the armature leaves the barrel. At that point, the current should ramp down to zero just as the armature exits the barrel. If there is still current when the circuit is opened, there will be some arcing from the barrel to the armature and across the barrel. If the current ramps down early, then the armature will be slowed by barrel friction without the benefit of force for the last portion of it's in-barrel flight.
Following is a rather amatuerish diagram of a railgun:

• The red box is a power supply (a battery, homopolar generator, capacitor, etc...). The power supply must be able to generate very high curent pulses at low voltage.
• The yellow lines represent buswork. In a high-power railgun, these will be rigid bars well secured against the tremendous electromagnetic forces. The buswork carries the current to the rails.
• The gold bars are the two rails. They will generally be encased in a barrel which must be strong enough to hold them together. The electromagnetic forces from the currents will tend to force them apart.
• The current (white arrows) flows around the circuit in a counter-clockwise direction. Any current which flows in a wire will generate a magnetic field which wraps around the wire. The direction of the magnetic field lines is in the direction your fingers would curl if the thumb of your right hand were pointing in the direction of the current (the "right hand rule"). In order to get magnetic fields strong enough to fire a projectile at useful velocities, very high currents are required.
• The blue circles represent a strong magnetic field between the bars. In this case, the field lines will be coming out of the screen between the rails The fields from the two rails add between the rails, creating the intense magnetic field required. Outside the rails, the magnetic fields from the two currents will tend to cancel out.
• The silver bar represents the armature and is free to slide back and forth between the rails. The current crosses from one rail to the other through the armature. This closes the circuit and gives the magnetic field something to act on.
• The red arrow represents the electromagnetic force acting on the armature. Any current which flows in an external magnetic field will be acted on by an elctromagnetic force. This force will be perpendicular to the current and the magnetic field and proportional to both. This force propels the armature along the barrel. Note that this same force will be acting to push the bars apart, which is why the barrel must be very strong.
Discarding Sabot
Recently, the topic if discarding sabot rounds in railguns has been debated on the GURPSnet mailing list. While it may seem like a metal conductor would make an ideal armature and projectile, this is not necessarily the case. In order to get lower resistances and lower forces and higher heat dissapation, the whole gun and armature should be as big as possible. A large conducting area (larger projectile and barrel) will get you more current and less resistive heating as well as being stronger to take the electromagnetic forces. Conversely, in order to penetrate armor, a smaller projectile allows you to concentrate the force of impact in a smaller area, doing more damage. In addition, materials which make good penetrators are not necessarily good conductors. Therefore, an armor-piercing penetrator for a railgun would most likely consiste of a copper or aluminum sabot surrounding a hardened steel or tungsten carbide penetrator. Having an oversized barrel would also allow you to fire larger diameter explosive or other projectiles.

::: Encrypted Communique' :::

TO: RevertRomance

Dear Sirs:

We note your invasion of South Carolina. Please note that our forces in Georgia and Tennessee are on heightened alret status along the border of Georgia and Tennessee to ensure that the rabble you are attempting to bring under your control do not spill over into our territory. However, our troops have orders not to interfere with your work in South Carolina. We acknowledge your invasion and welcome you as a new neighbor in North America.

Sincerely,
Duke Huey P. Long, III
New Orleans

OOC: There are too many posts between you and Sharina to quote all of them, plus your replies to mine, so I'll just say this OOC'ly to save time:
1. I prefer conferences, economic stuff, etc. to "I shoot you with my super cool, Mach 89 missile that you can't dodge with your invisible, force field protected tanks" like Sharina.
2. Like Sharina, my conquest stuff is over. The American Virgin Islands and Illinois was the last.
3. Sharina and I are allies (I don't know what happened with him and Kor in Canada, I've not read the posts, I just know he apparently purchased Canada).
4. I have NO intention of doing anything to threaten the British Virgin Islands and I know Sharina doesn't either, we'd both rather have you as an ally.
5. Sharina and I have planned for a long time the idea of a Carribean Defense system that would benefit you as well as us.
6. RevertRomance is on their way to New Orleans to discuss such an idea as well as trade.
7. I'd be more than willing to work with you in a conference of some sort and help RP it on economics, trade, mutual defense pacts, patrols of the Carribean, etc. If you'll look at my last post on the conquest of the American Virgin Islands, it ended with the thought it was time to enter into diplomatic talks with you.
8. South Carolina is unclaimed, if we can be at peace in the Carribean, we can do so in North America as well.
9. Between me and Sharina, for all practical purposes, all oil production in North America and the Gulf is under our control, surely that is a resource that the British Virgin Islands would like to tap into and access. That could be made to happen.
10. Therefore:

IC:

::: Communication to VirginIncursion :::

Dear Sirs:

As your new neighbors in the American Virgin Islands, we would like to invite a delegation to New Orleans to discuss with us issues of trade and mutual defense and respect along with our other Carribean neighbor, RevertRomance and our ally, Sharina. We feel strongly it is to our mutual benefit that we all get along in this area of the world, unlike Europe and the Middle East. Real power comes from strong economies and trade, not war and imperialistic expansion.

Sincerely,
Duke Huey P. Long, III
Norleans

cc: Sharina, RevertRomance

P.S. cool space elevator, we'd like to discuss some terms with you on costs for launching our satellites, etc.

EDIT Just realized that S.C. had been invaded, so ignore #8 in my OOC section.

Railguns can be effectively used in space although I'm not sure what year they started manufacturing them. But here is some info I found on them:

Railguns

A railgun fires projectiles using electromagnetic force at a velocity of 5,000 feet per second. The force of the impact will obliterate targets without an explosive aid. The projectile is shot up out of the atmosphere and gravity pulls it back down into it's target at amazing speeds. When the 40 pound (Standard) projectile hits it's target there is nothing left. The kinetic energy from the projectile is enough, there is no reason to spend money on explosives, it wouldn't add to the destruction. The term railgun comes from two rails placed within the barrel of the turret. They are made from superconducting metals. Electric current is sent through one of them, and transferred back to the other, thus creating a magnetic field that propels the projectile out of the barrel. Another reason for them to not include explosives is that the imense pressure during the firing would definitely cause the explosives to blow. They can also be stored safer, and loaded at sea, as opposed to long range missles, which are far more expensive, and a ship must dock for them to be loaded.


For anyone that didn't understand anything anyone else explained, a railgun takes a metal slug (big bullet) (not lead) and propels it at extremely high velocities using spiraling magnetic fields, tests have produced guns that will shread tank armor i.e. T-72 armor, on the first shot. The projectile does not carry a warhead, and uses its mass and its kinetic energy (force) to cause extreme damage to whatever it hits. Railguns would not be feasible in truly modern tech, a few decades in the future maybe, but not now. Though somewhat impractical it can be considered the perfect projectile weapon for ships, since a direct hit to the magazine will not cause the ship to be completely destroyed when the ammunition for the guns goes of (railgun slugs don't explode remember) the only problem is the ammount of power needed to run them is extremely high and may make them out of the question without a high output power source that can spare the power. As for
"railgun rifles," unless you're gonna carry a nuclear powerplant on your back, and only fire it once (it will break your arm) it's out of the question, and "railgun rifles" wouldn't pierce walls, like in Eraser, the slug would be so small that it would vaporize on contact, with big naval guns it isn't a problem though.

Actually gauss rifles are exactly the same as rail guns and the term is often used interchangably. Technically they can be different as a rail gun relies on using a pair (or more) rails about the projectile that the round travels along, gauss rifles can use a series of "coils" that run in series down the length of the barrel.

ETC or electro thermal chemical guns come in a number of forms.
In thier msot basic form they use an electric charge to ignite a rounds propellant charge but they advance from there to a system which injects a plasma charge to ignite the propellant all the way up to a system that uses an inert chemical propellant that is converted entirely to palsma by the electric energy of the plasma ignition system.

The next step up is the ET (electro thermal) gun where the propellant consits of a tiny coin sized lump of metal which when exposed to an electric charge detonates quite forably propelling the round out of the gun.


Railguns
Rather than duplicate work already done by others, here is some information on railguns from the Center for Electromechanics at The University of Texas at Austin. The CEM site doesn't go into the basics of how railguns work, but it does show some pictures of railguns and armatures and discusses some of the capabilities of railguns.
The Basics
Railguns are very simple devices with only one moving part, the projectile, also called an armature. Railguns consist of the following parts:
The Rails
These give the gun its name. They are generally made out of thick copper bars, but can be any conductive material. These rails run parallel to each other with a gap between them for the armature. They must be capable of conducting very high currents (MAmp and higher) and must be braced as the electromagnetic forces on them are tremendous.
The Armature
So-called because it is the moving portion of an electric device, the armature is the projectile. It closes the loop between the rails and is forced along the barrel (the space between the rails) by tremendous electromagnetic forces. These can either be solid pieces of conductive metal or they can be a conductive sabot with some kind of dart or sub-caliber penetrator.
The Power Supply
Railguns require tremendous currents to generate the necessary magnetic fields. The voltage required will vary with the resistance of the railgun, which is usually fairly low. The power supply must be able to supply a burst of very high current. Typically, the current will be in the millions of Amperes, while the duration will be only tens of milliseconds. Ideally, the current will ramp up very quickly and stay at its maximum level until just before the armature leaves the barrel. At that point, the current should ramp down to zero just as the armature exits the barrel. If there is still current when the circuit is opened, there will be some arcing from the barrel to the armature and across the barrel. If the current ramps down early, then the armature will be slowed by barrel friction without the benefit of force for the last portion of it's in-barrel flight.
Following is a rather amatuerish diagram of a railgun:

• The red box is a power supply (a battery, homopolar generator, capacitor, etc...). The power supply must be able to generate very high curent pulses at low voltage.
• The yellow lines represent buswork. In a high-power railgun, these will be rigid bars well secured against the tremendous electromagnetic forces. The buswork carries the current to the rails.
• The gold bars are the two rails. They will generally be encased in a barrel which must be strong enough to hold them together. The electromagnetic forces from the currents will tend to force them apart.
• The current (white arrows) flows around the circuit in a counter-clockwise direction. Any current which flows in a wire will generate a magnetic field which wraps around the wire. The direction of the magnetic field lines is in the direction your fingers would curl if the thumb of your right hand were pointing in the direction of the current (the "right hand rule"). In order to get magnetic fields strong enough to fire a projectile at useful velocities, very high currents are required.
• The blue circles represent a strong magnetic field between the bars. In this case, the field lines will be coming out of the screen between the rails The fields from the two rails add between the rails, creating the intense magnetic field required. Outside the rails, the magnetic fields from the two currents will tend to cancel out.
• The silver bar represents the armature and is free to slide back and forth between the rails. The current crosses from one rail to the other through the armature. This closes the circuit and gives the magnetic field something to act on.
• The red arrow represents the electromagnetic force acting on the armature. Any current which flows in an external magnetic field will be acted on by an elctromagnetic force. This force will be perpendicular to the current and the magnetic field and proportional to both. This force propels the armature along the barrel. Note that this same force will be acting to push the bars apart, which is why the barrel must be very strong.
Discarding Sabot
Recently, the topic if discarding sabot rounds in railguns has been debated on the GURPSnet mailing list. While it may seem like a metal conductor would make an ideal armature and projectile, this is not necessarily the case. In order to get lower resistances and lower forces and higher heat dissapation, the whole gun and armature should be as big as possible. A large conducting area (larger projectile and barrel) will get you more current and less resistive heating as well as being stronger to take the electromagnetic forces. Conversely, in order to penetrate armor, a smaller projectile allows you to concentrate the force of impact in a smaller area, doing more damage. In addition, materials which make good penetrators are not necessarily good conductors. Therefore, an armor-piercing penetrator for a railgun would most likely consiste of a copper or aluminum sabot surrounding a hardened steel or tungsten carbide penetrator. Having an oversized barrel would also allow you to fire larger diameter explosive or other projectiles.

Please pardon me. That's a lot of technical details, and my eyes are kinda bugging out. :p

So a summary.

1. Railguns are possible on naval ships, and possibly in space?

2. Are Gauss rifles more practical for infantry than railguns?

3. Would a pebblehead nuclear reactor be a good power source for a railgun?



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Norleans, sounds good. TG me when and where the Trade Conference will be held. :)

Norleans, sounds good. TG me when and where the Trade Conference will be held. :)

OOC: just do a quick RP of a delegation's arrival in New Orleans, RevertRomance is here already, as soon as VI replies and agrees to send a delegation, I'll start a new thread for us and get things going. I've got enough RL time over the next 3 days to do some stuff here.

BTW, has Fodmodmadtol TG'd you about a chat session tommorrow afternoon or evening? We 3 need to have one about some various matters. I told him I'm available after 2:00 pm Central Time.

OOC: just do a quick RP of a delegation's arrival in New Orleans, RevertRomance is here already, as soon as VI replies and agrees to send a delegation, I'll start a new thread for us and get things going. I've got enough RL time over the next 3 days to do some stuff here.

BTW, has Fodmodmadtol TG'd you about a chat session tommorrow afternoon or evening? We 3 need to have one about some various matters. I told him I'm available after 2:00 pm Central Time.

Gotcha.

I have AIM, and its quite likely I'll be on tomorrow afternoon, as after all, its Friday. :p I'll TG you my AIM.

(I dont think a railgun could be used for an orbit-ground attack) That is what I was refering to when I was talking about the heat and forces on the projectile.

(I dont think a railgun could be used for an orbit-ground attack) That is what I was refering to when I was talking about the heat and forces on the projectile.

I was referring to space-to-space combat. My space shuttles fighting enemy space fighters, attacking enemy satellites, and enemy space stations.

I don't have any space-to-ground weapons, not counting my SDI platforms.

ooc. OMG! Space-tech??? And about the elections...this is going way to far, I don't feel like becomming a puppet.

WENN Elections update

Possible fraud has been discovered about the Communist and Imperialist parties. They received large sums of money from unknown foreign nations. Intelligence has started a research about the scandal. Both parties will be banned from the elections, leaving only the Socialist, Muslim and Liberals united parties.

Somewhere in Singapore, someone of the imperialist party is being tortured.

"Tell me scum! Or I'll burn your belly open! WHO GAVE YOU THE MONEY!!!"
"ARGH!!! I ARGGH!!! got no idea!!!"
"Lies! *smell of burning flesh, the tortured person faints* Pussy."

None of which is considered Future Tech, we went to the moon in 1969,
and Russia has had the so called underwater missiles sense the 1970's. We now have hypersonic aircraft that is capable of mach ten or better.The
Space Station is an exact double for the International Space Station. The
Shuttle is the one we now use. We have had lasers & microwave weaponry
for years. So what exactly is your point? Apparently I was right ... you figured that my property was next for your ambition. And now you have run up against someone you can't bully. As I said do yourself a favor, and leave my property alone.

P.S. If you bring in " real future tech " I will do the same.

1. Simply because we went to the moon does not mean we have the technology to establish a base there. Simply sending five men for a few days to collect rocks on the moon costs $10 Billion or something around that, to BUILD A FUNCTIONING base on the moon would cost upwards of a trillion dollars! (This is another example of where Earth V nations have way too high GDPs. Perhaps all GDPs could just be cut in half.)

2. Regular supply trips to the moon would cost hundreds of thousands of times more than the supplies they carried. This is impractical.

3. Link me to three pages on separate websites demonstrating conventional laser/microwave weaponry capable of taking down planes without exposing it to the laser for hours.

4. The ISS is not a weapons base. It supports maybe five astronauts and does not have enough space or energy to function as a world wide weapons monitering station.

Oh? These are reconized by the International community because they are currently being designed in RL.

http://www.freewebs.com/kkenterprisesinc/spacefightersxplanes.htm
everything on that page is already patoned by me. ha.

..... Vineyard.... Poor, stupid Vineyard...

I'm just kidding. But seriously, Vineyard, you really think that site's real? Please tell me you are joking. Please. Really. Please.

http://members.fortunecity.se/kopparbergs/asia.gif

These are Tenebrocosis lands in Asia. He has some land in Europe, namely European Russia.

China is about the size of the USA. Tenebrocisis lands can easily hold TWO China's in it, and he could try to annex Mongolia or other lands to increase his size even more.

http://members.fortunecity.se/kopparbergs/northamerica.gif

Here's my lands in North America. When you cram all my holdings, I come up to the size of 1.25 USA. Add the area of Mexico and the half dozen small Latin America countries to my West USA states. Then add Alaska. These alone would give me as much as 2/3 the USA in land area.

Then add my 4 Canadian territories. About 1/3 - 1/2 of the USA land size.

So it does come up to 1.25 - 1.5 size of the US. Tenebrocosis still has considerably more land than me even after adding all my land together.

TeneBRIcosis! TeneBRIcosis!!

Encrypted message to the Battle Groups at and around Cyprus


Auth: Supr.Comm.Kpbgs
Att: Battle Groups at and around Cyprus
Ord: The roller coaster has not begun yet.
We have time to fulfill our mission on Cyprus.
Use all you force to conquer the last 25% of the
southern part of the island that we do not yet have
control over.
All Amphibious Battle Groups (4th, 5th, 7th, 8th
and 9th), be ready for a journey.
Snowstar I, II and III – stay on your positions.

WENN 8 pm news

Tensions rise in the elections, Warta Endorean forces move into Borneo and Celebes, New Guinea under complete control (forgot I had a campaign there:D) and military investments.

Tensions rise as the elections near (sounds familliar RL huh?), several communist and imperialist leaders have been arrested. According to minister officials recent large scale propaganda campaigns were funded by foreign nations who are still unknown.

Warta Endorean Armed forces have moved into Northern Indonesia to replace Mauiwowee's forces who controlled the area before. Resistence so far has been little but the tension is very high.

New Guinea is now completly under our control after a long struggle, claiming 3245 lives, 4563 missing (it's jungle, easy to get lost) of our troops and some 10892 wounded. An unknown number of local resistence fighters has been killed or wounded. About 23089 men have been taken prisoner. They will be released when conditions allow it.

The first of a total of 10350 Merkeva IV (check Israeli storfront for specs) have been delivered in Singapore harbour. The tanks will be one of the replacements of the aging T-90. Also large scale production of the Felagund (the X-36a with some stealthy features, specs will come later.This will be the first of my self devoloped equipment so if anyone can give me help) has been commenced. The first have already entered service on a base in Flores. Also three unknown ships have been purchased, more will come later in our special program "modern warfare". Stay tuned!!!

ooc. OMG! Space-tech??? And about the elections...this is going way to far, I don't feel like becomming a

puppet.

WENN Elections update

Possible fraud has been discovered about the Communist and Imperialist parties. They received large sums of money from

unknown foreign nations. Intelligence has started a research about the scandal. Both parties will be banned from the

elections, leaving only the Socialist, Muslim and Liberals united parties.

Somewhere in Singapore, someone of the imperialist party is being tortured.

"Tell me scum! Or I'll burn your belly open! WHO GAVE YOU THE MONEY!!!"
"ARGH!!! I ARGGH!!! got no idea!!!"
"Lies! *smell of burning flesh, the tortured person faints* Pussy."

OOC: You wouldn't be a puppet, Vineyard and I are just trying to get the party elected who we each believe would be the most

willing to join the UFSR.

Tenebri Propaganda Ministry, 4.00:

Khizhlenov had fallen asleep after working for forty hours straight getting the billion brics into the Communist party of

Warta Endor's fund accounts. Just as he had completed the severing of all ties between Tenebricosis and the funds he had

sent, he had received notification that the Socialists had found out and the Communists as well as the imperialists were

banned from the elections.

A speaker mounted on his desk spoke up. "Khzhlenov!"

"Yes, Comrade Premier?" Khizhlenov was instantly awake.
"What happened? That's a billion brics that are gone! You better get them back!" The Premier was obviously agitated.
"Yes, Comrade Premier. I will do that."
"Good. And once you have the money back, send it to the Socialists." The Premier sounded schemey. He had his schemey voice on.
"Very well, Comrade Premier." Khizhlenov took a methanphetamine pill and began his work all over again.


OOC: This Future Tech is ridiculous. While technologically feasible, it seems to have materialised out of thin air. I see that there are threads, but I cannot find the links to them from the International incidents board. It should all be banned as it is unnesscicary. Come on, what fun is war if everyone has impenetrable defenses? I joined Earth V for a modern war/diplomacy RP and it's slowly turning into a future earth RP. I don't like it. If it continues in this fashion, Earth V will split.

***PUBLIC GOVERNMENT STATEMENT***

The Government of Warta Endor has decided that it will be neutral in the coming major conflict. Only if an ally is directly attacked or the nation itself is attacked will it enter the war. For now we concentrate on improving our economy and modernizing the military.

OOC: This Future Tech is ridiculous. While technologically feasible, it seems to have materialised out of thin air. I see that there are threads, but I cannot find the links to them from the International incidents board. It should all be banned as it is unnesscicary. Come on, what fun is war if everyone has impenetrable defenses? I joined Earth V for a modern war/diplomacy RP and it's slowly turning into a future earth RP. I don't like it. If it continues in this fashion, Earth V will split.

Totally agree...(Y)

Railguns arn't FT or post modern, they have them now. And besides it would led to an interesting RP if you have some "post modern technologly". I think new technology just leds to an better an more entertaining RP. But going overboard with "UBER FT", as some of put it, is just stupid
(unless your into that stuff, in which case i dont know why your on an Earth) :rolleyes:

Yeah. Poll on the forum comming soon. We really need a rulebook.

With the new subs planned out, the government has succured funds to build 5 of these craft in an one year period, current cost for the 5 subs is at 18 Billion.

Railguns arn't FT or post modern, they have them now. And besides it would led to an interesting RP if you have some "post modern technologly". I think new technology just leds to an better an more entertaining RP. But going overboard with "UBER FT", as some of put it, is just stupid
(unless your into that stuff, in which case i dont know why your on an Earth) :rolleyes:

I dint think of them as uber tech. Even though we do have them now, I don't think that a pratical railgun will apper in the next 15 years. I have always though of railguns as being just past current MT. Inbetween MT and PMT.

OOC: This Future Tech is ridiculous. While technologically feasible, it seems to have materialised out of thin air. I see that there are threads, but I cannot find the links to them from the International incidents board. It should all be banned as it is unnesscicary. Come on, what fun is war if everyone has impenetrable defenses? I joined Earth V for a modern war/diplomacy RP and it's slowly turning into a future earth RP. I don't like it. If it continues in this fashion, Earth V will split.
Space laser, anyone?

***PRESSBULLETIN***

The Warta Endorean Navy (WEN) has announced that it will commence trials with three battlecruisers of the Admiral class.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348696&postcount=1
The ships may modernize WEN fighting strength and help Warta Endor becoming a regional power...

RRNN (Revertromance News Network)


Revertromance delagates talked South Carolina into joining the Union. This annexation happened at 10:10 AM this morning, and became the 8th state to the Revertromance Union. With land in,

Martinque
Guadaloupe
Dominica
Uruguay
Cameroon
St Locia
St Vincent (and that group of islands)
and now, South Carolina

South Carolina is the first Revertromance state in North America!!!!!

Guys, especially TeneBRIcosis...

I only threatened to pull FT out of my ass, notably Fusion Power and infantry laser weapons, ONLY BECAUSE:

1. Kormanthor's claims of hyper-sonic bombers and moon bases.

2. Doomingsland and Wirraway threatening to use uber tech to win the coming World War. I have strong suspicions that they plan on using FT to do this.


However, issue 1 has been resolved, as Kormanthor left Earth V. Issue 2 still stands, though.

If these two issues had never happened, been brought up, or threatened around, then I wouldn't even be considering any FT.


I am perfectly happy with 2000 - 2020 era tech levels, which is what most NS'ers use for MT era tech. I do not plan on using any FT myself, unless someone here in Earth V uses FT aganist me. If that happens, I'll just make up some FT of D()()M to shut up the FT "cheater".

Basically if someone goes "I'll use FT on you!" then I'll just laugh in his face and FT him right back. Fair's fair.

To be perfectly and absouletely clear, I'm in no way endorsing or supporting any FT in Earth V.

94 ships in total have been reported at the coastline of Klaipeda. The Proccian government has released this comment:

"The most we can stress to you right now is that we are NOT heading to war. The ships are... strictly a defensive measure. The navy is there for your protection. We cannot tell you anymore due to the confidential nature of this incident."

The ships are expected to be around for at least a week.

OOC:No, I just use really good MT. (2000-2020)

Moderation:

Keep the talk about Future-Tech in the Private-Forums, please.

OOC:No, I just use really good MT. (2000-2020)

That's all I ask. Keep your tech's within 2000 - 2020 and I will do the same. :)

SECRET OOC for Information Purposes (ONLY Mauiwowee Knows This):

Ludo Hienkel walked through the six-foot wide steel blast door of his Command Bunker in the heart of the Zugspitze Mountain Range of southern Germany.

He sat down at his reclining chair, and laughed like an evil maniac for a minute. He stopped after almost launching a nuke by mistake...

He accessed his computer...

Betrieb Seehund... Vollenden Sie.
Betrieb Blitz... Vollenden Sie.
Betrieb Himmellaser... Vollenden Sie.

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Betrieb Seehund (Translates to "Operation Seal" or Operation SeaDog") is a secret project in the Arctic developing an underwater base complete with state-of-the-art blast doors and insulated fully-closable antennae on the roof.

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Betrieb Blitz (Translates to "Operation Lightning") is a secret project using an antenna named "HAARP" that Ludo only knows the basics of:

HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an "ionospheric heater." (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between 40 to 60 miles above the surface of the Earth.)

Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope; antenna send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radiowave-beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto earth and penetrate everything -- living and dead.

It will:

Give the us a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices.

Provide a new and more compact submarine communication system.

More flexible and accurate radar system.

Provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working.

Provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements.

Be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area.

Be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete.

Weather Control:

-Technicians will be able to control global weather by sending relatively small 'signals' into the Van Allen belts (radiation belts around Earth).

-The ionization of the atmosphere will alter when it is charged by radio wave transmissions in the low frequency range of 10 to 80 hertz.

-Some of the antennae will be able to create both positive and negative ionization of the atmosphere by manipulating the radio frequency. With positive ionization, people and animals become tired and lethargic and with negative ionization the effect is one of feeling active and energetic.

-Ground Wave Emergency Network, or GWEN can create mass flooding. GWEN is offically an emergency communication system that would not be interrupted by electromagnetic pulse during a nuclear war. GWEN units are capable of altering the magnetic field within a 200- to 250-mile radius. The individual units themselves are made up of 300-foot tall towers which transmit radio waves through hundreds of bare copper wires which are each 300 feet in length. These wires are buried in the ground in a spoke pattern radiating out from the base of the tower. The wires interact with the earth like a thin-shelled conductor, radiating the radio wave energy for very long distances through the ground.

First, take two scalar potential beam transmitters, separated on the necessary baseline to form a beam interferometer. Let them interfere at a distance. Now in that distant interference zone (IZ), there is an ambient vacuum potential (spacetime potential, or spacetime stress). If the electrical circuit grounds of the interferometer transmitters are biased ABOVE the ambient potential in the IZ, then scattering EM energy (heating) emerges in the IZ. This is the exothermic mode of operation. If the electrical circuit grounds of the interferometer are biased negatively below the ambient potential in the IZ, then convergent EM energy (cooling) emerges in the IZ. This is the endothermic mode of operation.
So by merely biasing the electrical grounds of a scalar potential interferometer, one can produce heating or cooling in the distant IZ. If one just "radiates," one produces distant steady heating or steady cooling. If one sharply pulses the interferometer, one produces a distant hot explosion or a distant cold explosion.
One can also, of course, form various forms of energy at a distance, including particularly hemispheric shells of energy and spherical shells of energy. Hundreds of these have been observed worldwide, from testing by the KGB weapons in Russia.
There is one other characteristic that one needs to be aware of. Pure longitudinal EM waves have infinite speed and infinite velocity (see the summary papers by Rodrigues et al. on the Los Alamos National Laboratory website). In practice one makes a pseudo-longitudinal wave, so its energy is finite and its speed is finite, but it may have a velocity v>>c.
A "scalar" potential is not a scalar entity at all. Instead, it's a bundle of bidirectional longitudinal waves. Mass is composed mostly of empty space filled with potentials and fields, with a particle here and there, widely separated. On its own scale, a "mass" looks more like a giant solar system or the external universe. Mostly space, with fields and potentials. Well, since fields and potentials are nothing but just LWs anyway, then the stress potential of space is a superhighway for LWs. What this means is that "pretty good" LWs (i.e., sufficiently clean pseudo longitudinal waves) will pass right through the earth and ocean, with little attenuation and little interaction.

Now we are ready to see into weather engineering.
Focus the interference zone (IZ) on the other side of the earth (beam right through the earth and ocean) to a given desired area in the atmosphere. Bias your transmitters positively. You produce atmospheric heating in the air in the IZ, so that the air expands and you have produced a "low" pressure zone. Now use a second interferometer biased negatively, and place it at a distant IZ desired. In that IZ, you cool the air so that it shrinks and becomes denser, and you have created a "high" pressure area. Now place several such IZs, with the desired highs and lows, near a jet stream. The jet stream will be deviated toward a low and away from a high. By varying the transmitted energy and the iz location (just move it gradually along), you can entrain and steer the jet streams, and therefore effectively "steer" the resulting weather.
Want to spawn tornadoes? Just make several sharp bends in the jet streams, and also speed them up a bit. The additional angular momentum imparted to the air masses will spawn off littler rotations (tornadoes). By focusing the IZ underneath the ocean, one can heat or cool the water in a selected area, over a period of time. So you can aggravate or ease El Nino, e.g. By proper steering and coordination around the earth, it is possible to create a great deal of rain in an area, a drought in an area, storms and tornadoes, a powerful El Nino, etc.

Want to really mess with the troops? Just focus the IZ in a large fault zone -- say such as the San Andreas fault in California. Use the exothermic interferometry mode. You deposit energy slowly in that fault zone. The stress increases. Eventually the plate edges shift, and you have an earthquake. If you want a very powerful quake, put the energy in gradually, so that a sort of "overpotential" or "overpressure" builds up, past where the rocks would normally slip. Then when they let go, you've got a real nice big one. You can see what might happen if one also toys around with a sleeping volcano.

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Betrieb Himmellaser (Translates to "Operation Sky Laser") is the Arkbird project... with lasers capable of shooting down satelites, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and even submarines and naval vessals.

OOC: TGSR, I read the TG before the above, nevermind.
Just Like TGSR's post this is for informational purposes only, NO ONE knows of it.

IC:

Naval Commander and W.M.D., Inc. Chief of R & D, Supher Beaux, walked into his office and logged on to his computer. He saw the flashing red alert notification:

"Betrieb Seehund
Betrieb Blitz
Betrieb Himmellaser"

It meant only one thing to him, "Cavity is a go."

"They don't have a clue" he thought.

typing a quick message he wrote, in his best German (translated):

"Message received, FP ready to announce Cavity, Gen. Ripper advised. 48 hours max. to PR. Send team."

Commander Beaux sat back in his chair, musing: "And they thought French Polynesia was nothing." and "Tsunami my ass!"

TGSR, I'd like some clarification on these weather technologies and laser weapons.

Are they within a 2000 - 2015 or 2000 - 2020 timeframe? Or is this beyond?


A few notes / counters to these technologies, should it ever be used aganist Sharina...

1. I don't have to worry at all about flooding because of my Veris-Wall. It rises a little over 200 meters tall along my whole shoreline. This prevents virtally all hurricane flooding and sea swells. In addition, only the largest tsuamis would be able to reach over the Veris-Wall. Even so, it would need at least a 300 meter tall tsuami to cause any significant damage to the areas behind the Veris-Wall, as it has two sets of smaller trenches behind it for flood control, as well as additional defense aganist enemy over-runs.

2. Droughts are not a problem. My nation gets all its water from hydrogen fuel cells. These fuel cells generate 100% pure freshwater drinking water.

3. Earthquake damage would be minimal, as my nation employs construction technologies ahead of its time. Imagine Japanese earthquake-proof buildings today, then add 30 years of enhancements and improvements in that technology field.

4. All my critical and vital structures are underground. That includes military bases, nuclear power plants, factories, assembly plants, and emergency railroad transportation. This presents these facilities with massive defense aganist natural disasters, nuclear attack, and aerial bombardment.

5. Tornadoes would do little, due to the fact that all Sharina structures have pressure ventilation systems as many Sharina skyscrapers are over 1 kilometer tall. Other structures extend underground, hence the need for extensive ventilation systems. In emergencies, the vent system can open fully to the outside, equalizing the pressure throughout the buildings. Tornadoes do most of their damage from pressure imbalances between the outside and the inside of houses and structure.

Sharina buildings are built to withstand 200 MPH winds, as 90% of Sharina above-ground structures have exteriors of concrete, reinforced with titanium mesh. The interior of the buildings are solid steel beams, with titanium in place of aluminum.

Remember, my nation has +10 to +30 years advanced construction technology.

I am stating this OOC'ly for everybody to know before any war or weather weapons or whatever is used aganist me. This is so that I won't be accused of pulling something out of my ass at "spur of the moment" like some NS'ers are guilty of doing.

OOC: Ay ay ay... The reason I hate all this FT is that it forces people like me who don't want FT to develop it anyway or risk falling behind. Why can't Earth V just be a parallel Earth with the same basic technologies?

In my personal opinion, no nation should have technology past what is feasible ten years from now. Very earlier on, TGSR made a ruling about superweapons. The controversy was due to Vineyard mounting nuclear bombs on planes, his "Silver Bullets" which noone sees any more. Now we have space lasers and giant orbital defense systems that appeared in one post...

When I created my space laser thing, I originally had a satellite capable of either destroying an entire city or giving every one of its occupants horrible skin cancer. That was concidered far too advanced for the time, which was maybe two months ago. That's what, 8 NS years?

If TGSR has weather control (which he should have told Whittier, Vineyard and myself about due to the UFSR alliance...), and Sharina and Whittier have 100% effective protection systems against nuclear strikes, and Doomingsland and Wirraway have whatever, then I demand fifty of my original space lasers in geosynchronic orbit above every major city on this Earth V of ours.

If TGSR was killed tomorrow by a train or rabid goat or infected piece of cheese and I took his place (not that I would, that'd be Kopparsberg) I'd make rules limiting all military weapons technology to that which the United States currently possesses. Maybe not even that. The way it is now, every country's a superpower, influencing the nations who don't even RP. I've tried to start a Cold War sort of thing between the UFSR and FOAM, (although I admit I haven't tried very hard at all) in which the main nations such as myself and Sharina and Mauiwowee and TGSR would never engage each other directly. I think this would be the best situation, and the most entertaining.

The way Earth V seems to be headed all of a sudden will force me to leave. I don't want to have to do that; I've had fun so far. Sharina and TGSR and Wirraway, I ask that you stop using any of this 10+ years future tech and stick to what is feasible, both scientifically AND economically, today. If this does not happen, then Earth V is going to collapse into a crappy Sci Fi RP, except nuclear weapons are useless so it's crap.

Seriously, when I look at this, (no offense to anyone) I almost think I'm looking at a bunch of n00bs who just keep making up new defenses to force their opponents into doing the same.

The ultimate outcome of Earth V that would give me the greatest satisfaction would be an escillating conflict between two major world powers, IE the UFSR and some other alliance, perhaps if FOAM decides to become like NATO, in which the end result is total World War after a series of smaller wars in fence countries like Warta Endor and perhaps Norleans. Maybe FOAM would try to get Norleans on their side to unify North America, and maybe the UFSR would try the same to aquire a large area border with its enemy.

Anyway, my perfect world war would end up in a nuclear exchange after which we start over again from the time before the conflict began, or just redivided Earth V amongst the player-nations. Or, one of the forces would conquer the other, alliances would change, and the process would repeat.

Imagine a war where the UFSR invades FOAM-owned SE China after successfully annexing the other parts of it. Warta Endor assists in this invasion of Mauiwowee's territory which in turn results in a war in Warta Endor, tensions build, UFSR sends forces to Greenland, small nuclear exchange occurs. Capitals detroyed, moved to different cities. Tenebricosis surrenders to FOAM, I change my nation's ideologies and join them, Vineyard and TGSR split to form a new alliance with the rest of Europe and Africa after annexing my holdings in eastern Europe, wait a little while, BOOM. New world war, different alligences, just as fun.

Or maybe the UFSR conquers China, and then goes on to annex all of Asia, Europe, and the Middle East (which we nearly have. :D ). Federal Socialist parties gain popularity in Sharina and Norleans. Norleans has a quick revolution and joins the UFSR. They assist in the invasion of Sharina, who, despite having advanced technologies, is overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the Green Army and in the end is stuck with only Mexico.

After all, an RP is supposed to be nothing more that a co-operative writing project.

At least, that's how I see it.

OOC: Ay ay ay... The reason I hate all this FT is that it forces people like me who don't want FT to develop it anyway or risk falling behind. Why can't Earth V just be a parallel Earth with the same basic technologies?

In my personal opinion, no nation should have technology past what is feasible ten years from now. Very earlier on, TGSR made a ruling about superweapons. The controversy was due to Vineyard mounting nuclear bombs on planes, his "Silver Bullets" which noone sees any more. Now we have space lasers and giant orbital defense systems that appeared in one post...

When I created my space laser thing, I originally had a satellite capable of either destroying an entire city or giving every one of its occupants horrible skin cancer. That was concidered far too advanced for the time, which was maybe two months ago. That's what, 8 NS years?

If TGSR has weather control (which he should have told Whittier, Vineyard and myself about due to the UFSR alliance...), and Sharina and Whittier have 100% effective protection systems against nuclear strikes, and Doomingsland and Wirraway have whatever, then I demand fifty of my original space lasers in geosynchronic orbit above every major city on this Earth V of ours.

If TGSR was killed tomorrow by a train or rabid goat or infected piece of cheese and I took his place (not that I would, that'd be Kopparsberg) I'd make rules limiting all military weapons technology to that which the United States currently possesses. Maybe not even that. The way it is now, every country's a superpower, influencing the nations who don't even RP. I've tried to start a Cold War sort of thing between the UFSR and FOAM, (although I admit I haven't tried very hard at all) in which the main nations such as myself and Sharina and Mauiwowee and TGSR would never engage each other directly. I think this would be the best situation, and the most entertaining.

The way Earth V seems to be headed all of a sudden will force me to leave. I don't want to have to do that; I've had fun so far. Sharina and TGSR and Wirraway, I ask that you stop using any of this 10+ years future tech and stick to what is feasible, both scientifically AND economically, today. If this does not happen, then Earth V is going to collapse into a crappy Sci Fi RP, except nuclear weapons are useless so it's crap.

Seriously, when I look at this, (no offense to anyone) I almost think I'm looking at a bunch of n00bs who just keep making up new defenses to force their opponents into doing the same.

The ultimate outcome of Earth V that would give me the greatest satisfaction would be an escillating conflict between two major world powers, IE the UFSR and some other alliance, perhaps if FOAM decides to become like NATO, in which the end result is total World War after a series of smaller wars in fence countries like Warta Endor and perhaps Norleans. Maybe FOAM would try to get Norleans on their side to unify North America, and maybe the UFSR would try the same to aquire a large area border with its enemy.

Anyway, my perfect world war would end up in a nuclear exchange after which we start over again from the time before the conflict began, or just redivided Earth V amongst the player-nations. Or, one of the forces would conquer the other, alliances would change, and the process would repeat.

Imagine a war where the UFSR invades FOAM-owned SE China after successfully annexing the other parts of it. Warta Endor assists in this invasion of Mauiwowee's territory which in turn results in a war in Warta Endor, tensions build, UFSR sends forces to Greenland, small nuclear exchange occurs. Capitals detroyed, moved to different cities. Tenebricosis surrenders to FOAM, I change my nation's ideologies and join them, Vineyard and TGSR split to form a new alliance with the rest of Europe and Africa after annexing my holdings in eastern Europe, wait a little while, BOOM. New world war, different alligences, just as fun.

Or maybe the UFSR conquers China, and then goes on to annex all of Asia, Europe, and the Middle East (which we nearly have. :D ). Federal Socialist parties gain popularity in Sharina and Norleans. Norleans has a quick revolution and joins the UFSR. They assist in the invasion of Sharina, who, despite having advanced technologies, is overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the Green Army and in the end is stuck with only Mexico.

After all, an RP is supposed to be nothing more that a co-operative writing project.

At least, that's how I see it.


There is more to life then war Tenebricosis, but if Earth V was to go into
space I'm sure there are plenty of alien folk you could go to war with.

OOC: Ay ay ay... The reason I hate all this FT is that it forces people like me who don't want FT to develop it anyway or risk falling behind. Why can't Earth V just be a parallel Earth with the same basic technologies?
Exactly my thoughts! I'm not going to use FT, but them I'm falling behind...


If TGSR was killed tomorrow by a train or rabid goat or infected piece of cheese and I took his place (not that I would, that'd be Kopparsberg) I'd make rules limiting all military weapons technology to that which the United States currently possesses. Maybe not even that.

Don't worry Tene! I should do the same!! I really want this to keep to the tech that exist today.


The way Earth V seems to be headed all of a sudden will force me to leave. I don't want to have to do that; I've had fun so far. Sharina and TGSR and Wirraway, I ask that you stop using any of this 10+ years future tech and stick to what is feasible, both scientifically AND economically, today. If this does not happen, then Earth V is going to collapse into a crappy Sci Fi RP, except nuclear weapons are useless so it's crap.

Seriously, when I look at this, (no offense to anyone) I almost think I'm looking at a bunch of n00bs who just keep making up new defenses to force their opponents into doing the same.
Again, I could have said that myself. If this is going FT, then I'm out of here. At least, I'm ignoring any tech that's beyond todays tech.

ELECTION DAY IN WARTA ENDOR

Warta Endorean Citizens can vote since 6 am this morning. According to the first exit polls the Socialist and Muslem Parties are tied at each about 40%. The polling stations are open till 10 pm tonight, so vote, vote, vote in the first elections ever in Warta Endor!

Three soldiers have been killed on the island of Borneo after running over a mine near the city of Pontianak. According several reports there has been some heavy fighting going on in the cities of Pontianak, Banjarmasin, Martapura, Balikpapan and Ujung Pandang on Celebes and Borneo. We will come with more news later.

SECRET OOC for Information Purposes (ONLY Mauiwowee Knows This):

Ludo Hienkel walked through the six-foot wide steel blast door of his Command Bunker in the heart of the Zugspitze Mountain Range of southern Germany.

He sat down at his reclining chair, and laughed like an evil maniac for a minute. He stopped after almost launching a nuke by mistake...

He accessed his computer...

Betrieb Seehund... Vollenden Sie.
Betrieb Blitz... Vollenden Sie.
Betrieb Himmellaser... Vollenden Sie.

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Betrieb Seehund (Translates to "Operation Seal" or Operation SeaDog") is a secret project in the Arctic developing an underwater base complete with state-of-the-art blast doors and insulated fully-closable antennae on the roof.

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Betrieb Blitz (Translates to "Operation Lightning") is a secret project using an antenna named "HAARP" that Ludo only knows the basics of:





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Betrieb Himmellaser (Translates to "Operation Sky Laser") is the Arkbird project... with lasers capable of shooting down satelites, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and even submarines and naval vessals.


An underwater base, eh? I was planing on constructioning one a la Blu Sub #6ish. This is perfectly feasable. There are some practicallity concerns and logistics, but they may be overcome.

TGSR, this weathercontrol and no EMP stuff sounds a little FT to me. Even if the technology is availible, I dont think this should be allowed.

There is one limitation with lasers, range. Unless you have a FT focused beam, range will be about 15-20 km. Little distrubances in the atmosphere refract the beam and make it useless past a certain range. Also, I dout that a laser could even touch a sub when it is underwater. The water is so thick that a laserbeam would be instantly refracted and not penetrait say 5ft of water.

TGSR, I'd like some clarification on these weather technologies and laser weapons.

Are they within a 2000 - 2015 or 2000 - 2020 timeframe? Or is this beyond?

The lasers are very basic, and very expensive as we do not use lasers a lot. The design is basically a computer guided laser using the enchanced power of lots and lots of nano-diamonds (http://www.ats.org/newsletters.php?id=50) from South Africa (Remember the nation ZTW in South Africa? We're allied.) to create an extremely powerful laser. Rumors have it that the diamonds were purchased with German beer, but those reports are rumors. :)

All the weather technologys are under the year 2000, with the exception of an already developed project to elminate clouds using a special powder, which is 2001. (Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1469610.stm)

The lasers are very basic, and very expensive as we do not use lasers a lot. The design is basically a computer guided laser using the enchanced power of Diamonds from South Africa (Remember the nation ZTW in South Africa? We're allied.) to create an extremely powerful laser. Rumors have it that the diamonds were purchased with German beer, but those reports are rumors. :)

All the weather technologys are under the year 2000, with the exception of an already developed project to elminate clouds using a special powder, which is 2001. (Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1469610.stm)

If your using diamonds in your lasers, no wounder they are so powerless and expensive.

Yes, I know all about the weather control with the powder. That is just making clouds, nothing even comes close to the kind of controlablity you have described.

An underwater base, eh? I was planing on constructioning one a la Blu Sub #6ish. This is perfectly feasable. There are some practicallity concerns and logistics, but they may be overcome.

TGSR, this weathercontrol and no EMP stuff sounds a little FT to me. Even if the technology is availible, I dont think this should be allowed.

There is one limitation with lasers, range. Unless you have a FT focused beam, range will be about 15-20 km. Little distrubances in the atmosphere refract the beam and make it useless past a certain range. Also, I dout that a laser could even touch a sub when it is underwater. The water is so thick that a laserbeam would be instantly refracted and not penetrait say 5ft of water.

That's all correct. The weather control technologies are actually technology from the 1800s (not kidding), invented by Telsa (sp?), the same man who invented Alternating Current (AC). He completly invented the concept of sending radio waves to control the weather.

About the lasers: We keep our Arkbirds within 150,000 feet to eliminate the that problem. The laser is powerful enough to elminate a submarine just under the water, as you said, but it naturally cannot go very deep.

If your using diamonds in your lasers, no wounder they are so powerless and expensive.

Yes, I know all about the weather control with the powder. That is just making clouds, nothing even comes close to the kind of controlablity you have described.

1. But they are in low altitude and guided by advanced computers to make them highly accurate, AND they are nano-Diamonds (http://www.ats.org/newsletters.php?id=50).

2. That's because it's completely unrelated to my first post.

OOC:If TGSR has weather control (which he should have told Whittier, Vineyard and myself about due to the UFSR alliance...), and Sharina and Whittier have 100% effective protection systems against nuclear strikes, and Doomingsland and Wirraway have whatever, then I demand fifty of my original space lasers in geosynchronic orbit above every major city on this Earth V of ours.

OOC:

It's not completely developed. I will disclose the information when it is complete.

Revertromance News Network

Today we have recieved reports that )an new player to earth v) has his eyes on Cameroon and Guadaloupe!!!!

This alarms Revertromance officals. Guadaloupe could not be taken, due to fact of how close it is to my main captial of Martinique (im like 20 million bigger him)

But Cameroon, isnt even really defended with only 5,000 Infantry standing guard in the capital

If war is to break out between Revertromance and (this new guy) I will wipe ALL of his milatary presence out of the carribean region with my airforce and navy. It isnt like there isnt land out there unclaimed, but if he wants cameroon i might just give it to him (i havent RPed with it much)

War isn't going to happen (saw his post) but if he ever posts here we can talk about Cameroon and who it's going to; i think he is settleing for land in Asia however....dont really know?

EDIT: theres like 10 pages of radom FT technology on the incidents page

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=1230

Its an page were you guys can talk about all your FT technology and cut down on OOC posts in the Forum.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8007569#post8007569

In "diplomatic talks" i have signed Cameroon over to this new power

All milatary personal have been pulled out (all 5,000 infantry and 2 carriers)
and they are coming back to base in Guadaloupe

ELECTION DAY-THE END

We got our latest exit polls from the major cities. According to those the socialist party has 51% of the Votes, the Muslem Party 34%, the Native Party 10% and Liberals United 5%. A clear result will be in tommarow but its almost certain the Socialist Party will win these elections. Communists and Imperialists have each held a demonstration against the banning of their parties. There were some arrests but the demonstrations were quite peacefully.

Ok with confusing reports coming in from Africa im diciding to stay in Cameroon because he is too small to support the land he already has

Ok with confusing reports coming in from Africa im diciding to stay in Cameroon because he is too small to support the land he already has

This is indeed becoming confusing :confused:

This is indeed becoming confusing :confused:

Im confused and first thought he was going to fight me and than i thought he was bigger so i just gave it too him since i dont use it but hes small so he cant supprot it all so im taking it back

Infantry are moving back (half way across the alantic already)

Encoded message from Kopparbergs High Command

To all troops without a red mission going on.
Move to the coast of Israel.
Land troops.
You have permission to use B-52's with conventional explosives, as well as Tomahawks.
The 5th and 8th Submarine Battle Groups will assist you, they are already on their way.
AWACS-planes are in the air above Cyprus, they will guide you.
First priority is to take control over Tel-Aviv.
We should be able to take them by surprise. According to the latest satellite images they're
not expecting visitors...

Be careful, be fast. Use all power.

Supreme Commander

OOC:
I'm using these troops for the mission of Israel:

3 Carrier battle groups
1 Submarine battle group
5 Amphibious battle groups
2 Rotary wing battle groups

One Carrier battle group consists of:
1 Nimitz class carrier
56 JAS 39-Gripen (Multi-Role)
1 Arizona class Battle ship
3 Iowa class cruisers
4 Arleigh Burke class destroyers
5 Brandenburger class frigates
7 Visby-class corvettes (stealth)

One Rotary wing battle group consists of:
2 Charles de Gaulle class CVN (carriers)
58 Apache AH-64
4 JAS 39-Gripen (Multi-Role)
6 Kirov Battlecruisers

One Amphibious battle group consists of:
2 Wasp II-class Amph. Assault ships
4 San Antonio-class Amph. Assault ships
56 AAAV
8 LCAC
16 JAS 39-Gripen (Multi-Role)
64 Apache AH-64
20 M1A2 Abraham Tanks
140 Humwees
30 Logistic Trucks
20 M198 Guns
60 Bradleys

One Submarine battle group consists of:
6 Oscar II-class submarines
2 Virginia-class submarines

Message to RevertRomance

Our satellites has told us that you're moving troops to and from Africa.
Do you need help with something? We have troops in Western Sahara.
Give us a message if you want us to deal with something.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

OOC: Please make note of the following New Naval Vessels (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8008127#post8008127)

They have been approved for Earth V use by TGSR - Though I'm open to discussion with those who might object, they are reasonable and feasible

Well, i was first going to sign over Cameroon to (that new guy) but just now realizing Cameroon has a number of minerals, im preparing to move back into Cameroon and do something i never do, disregard an treaty, i technicly "gave" him Cameroon, but he hasnt posted with it yet or Rped with it yet, so if i move everything back and "never leave", i dont see how he is going to take it. I have enough ships to take another 20,000 Infantry across the ocean, but it would take a while (til tonight anyway)

They are beginning to mobilize and they will begin there trip shortly
(one hrs time RL)

--Zagreb News-- Botswana was taken over today after their government suffered several sabatoge attacks by Vineyardian agents. The army was routed and killed while troops occupied their capitol city. Botswana is now under Vineyardian control.

Also in the news, Zuhair Malikian troops are forming up on the border with Syria. It is unknown what their intent is.

1. But they are in low altitude and guided by advanced computers to make them highly accurate, AND they are nano-Diamonds (http://www.ats.org/newsletters.php?id=50).

2. That's because it's completely unrelated to my first post.

It doesn't matter how accurate a laser is. Because of the density of the atmosphere a MT laser wont go more than 20km at max with a 1Mw airborne laser. All lasers are inherintly accurate because of their speed.

Also, I know this isn't in my power, but I cannot allow you to use the weather control array thingy. That is PMT in the least and probably FT.

lso, I know this isn't in my power, but I cannot allow you to use the weather control array thingy. That is PMT in the least and probably FT.
OOC: I have to agree to this. We play a modern tech, tech that exists today.

And I'm gonna ignore the new submarine of Mauiwowee that makes 900 mph under water...

This is modern tech. I play 2005 tech. If you play 2100 tech I'm out of here...

OOC: Please make note of the following New Naval Vessels (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8008127#post8008127)

They have been approved for Earth V use by TGSR - Though I'm open to discussion with those who might object, they are reasonable and feasible

((Why the F*** do people keep on bringing all this stupid tech into an Earth. Cant we just have a MT battle?

With this tech, it isn't MT. I know we have the torpedos right now, but I dout a fighter or carrier would even be ready. And even if it is, it would be first generation stuff, you wouldn't have super nimble fighters or huge carriers. I was considering preposing this to TGSR, but only as a small fast sub with a light payload. This keeps it all even and realistic.

Take the Night Hawk for example. It was the first serviced stealth aircraft and it only carries, get this, 2 bombs. Now we have the B-2. From the testing of the tech to the B-2 it took upwards of 15 years.))

OOC: Please make note of the following New Naval Vessels (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8008127#post8008127)

They have been approved for Earth V use by TGSR - Though I'm open to discussion with those who might object, they are reasonable and feasible
OOC:You realize the reason no one's invested in supercavitating subs is because they can't maneuver at the speeds they're going, right?

((these also would have poor range unless they were the size of say, a 50s and 60s space rocket))

I think the sub that goes 900 mph IS feasable. Look at how much money went into, and the research done. It would led into an whole new battlefield and make an interesting and entertaining RP.

You said we could have 2020 tech and i could see that in 20 years the way our world is going, we make giant leaps in the scientific fields like daily.

Guys, must I repeat myself?

I DO NOT CONDONE OR ACCEPT FT BEYOND 2005 - 2020 IN EARTH V!

I am only threatening to pull FT out IF other players pull FT aganist me. I definitely will NOT be the one who uses FT first.

The 100% SDI, I am willing to reduce that to 80% effectiveness or something. After all, if a nation produces enough SDI systems, it does add up. 1 Nuke ICBM might have a chance aganist 4 SDI vehicles (4 ABM trucks or silos or satellites). However, the same 1 ICBM won't have a chance aganist 20 SDI / ABM systems.



One more thing I need to bring up. There are literally dozens of new technologies being researched right now. Are we to ban these? In my honest opinion, researching and deploying new technologies would give RP's spice, as long as done properly.

RL, the USA and USSR developed technologies to use aganist each other. Why can't we have that in Earth V?

Also, if we RP in Earth V for 100 - 200 standard RL days, that would mean anywhere between 10 - 200 NS years, which would be out of whack. You ask why?

It's because of two reasons. Wars and time flows at a rate in Earth V. For example, our coming World War may last for a few years. In this time new technologies would be developed just like ANY prolonged RL war. WW I, WW II, Vietnam, etc. come to mind.

Second, our NS populations grow. It would be stupid to freeze Earth V to the year 2005 forever, or until Jan 1, 2006 in real life. This would become so unrealistic because our populations could jump by 1 - 2 billion NS-wise in a full RL year. Since when does human beings produce 1 - 2 billion population PER NATION in 1 year? Multiply that by all of us active RP'ers.

Even if we only had 10 active RP'ers, our Earth V population would jump by 10 - 20 billion in one year if we "freeze time" in Earth V. Completely unrealistic to freeze time or have that population growth.

If we go by 1 RL day = 1 NS day in Earth V, then wars and RP's would take far too long, and people would literally get bored.


So putting all of that into consideration, there HAS to be time, growth, building, and tech progression. This happens in RL, and NS is several factors "faster time" than RL because of RP's and such.

People want to move on in RP's and stuff, and not be forced into agonizing delays in RP's due to extremely slow or "frozen" timescale.


Again, I will not use any tech beyond the 2010 - 2015 timeframe, unless Doomingsland, Wirraway, etc. pull out 2020+ tech aganist me. I am willing to make compromises, like reducing my SDI efficiency to 80% or something, rather than perfect immunity.

((Why the F*** do people keep on bringing all this stupid tech into an Earth. Cant we just have a MT battle?

With this tech, it isn't MT. I know we have the torpedos right now, but I dout a fighter or carrier would even be ready. And even if it is, it would be first generation stuff, you wouldn't have super nimble fighters or huge carriers. I was considering preposing this to TGSR, but only as a small fast sub with a light payload. This keeps it all even and realistic.

Take the Night Hawk for example. It was the first serviced stealth aircraft and it only carries, get this, 2 bombs. Now we have the B-2. From the testing of the tech to the B-2 it took upwards of 15 years.))

Note:

1. That I RP'd the craft had been in development for 15 years as well.
2. I only have a single carrier with its fighters, same with TGSR, two ships, are not to go significantly sway the balance of power on a world-wide basis. There is one hell of a lot of ocean to cover, two ships can't do it all.
3. The cost is so significant, there won't be anymore produced for quite some time.
4. I know there are issues with FT on Earth V and I have no problem with anyone who wants to "ignore" these ships and I'll agree, easily, to RP them only with those who are willing to accept them. I have no intention of "forcing" them on anyone or screwing up Earth V and good RP's with tech that is objectionable to those participating in the RP.
5. You say you were considering proposing something similar to the fighter craft yourself, OK, well I went one step further. I'd be willing to limit myself in RP's with you to having only a few of the fighter craft that are based on traditional carriers and that cannot fly in the air and serve as sub-jet fighters, whatever.

See, I'm reasonable, as noted in the post

I'm open to discussion with those who might object

I just came up with the idea and found it perfectly reasonable for the generalized NS Earth and asked TGSR if he'd recognize it here and he said he would, so I did it. However, I don't want to piss anyone off and ruin the game for people, I enjoy it at most any level (though FTL travel, hyperdrives, space battles, etc. I don't like and have no plans to propose any such a thing).

After the 6 day (NS time) take over of Cameroon by Martollea, Revertromance would like to reinforce it's postion in the African country (We would like to apoligize for the comfusion, if any, this produced; but this guy has left because he got mad at me...sorry ;) ) But after we remembered the raw resources found in Cameroon we realized we had to have it back. :rolleyes:

20,000 Men are on there way and will arrive within the month (so basically by late night tonight). They are to reinforce the border areas and an Larger Navy base is to be constructed. We're not sure on the naval bases details yet but it is going to be home to the 1st African Alantic Fleet

(the other 5 fleets are basically docked and operated in the carribean/south ,north american regions but nothing across the alantic)

OOC:Besides it wasn't like he started RPing the annexation or take over, or ANY post on earth v

I have but 1 question,

How do they carry enough rocket fuel + oxygen for underwater flight and Avation fuel for aired flight to have any real range?

And how can you be reaosnable when you are bringing PMT into a MT earth? People, please think about your newest "idea" for a MT item. So many times there is a huge flaw in the design or it cannot be dont with MT. These things arnt MT no matter how you slice it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8009170#post8009170

My navy grows ever larger :)

With this new cruisers added to my fleet im going to need another Navy reform and more inlisted men to be drafted....training only takes an 8 month period because we emphasize an learning through error policy. Learning war while your in war seems to work well enough, if they arn't all killed in their first battle.

155 billion usd is now my total milatary expenditure for the year

(already added the cost into my yearly budget)

I have but 1 question,

How do they carry enough rocket fuel + oxygen for underwater flight and Avation fuel for aired flight to have any real range?

And how can you be reaosnable when you are bringing PMT into a MT earth? People, please think about your newest "idea" for a MT item. So many times there is a huge flaw in the design or it cannot be dont with MT. These things arnt MT no matter how you slice it.

The Swordfish and Shark models are the only ones that have air/sea dual capabilities. However, all fighters are powered by rocket engines to reach supercavitational speed with fuel being supplied as liquid hydrogen and oxygen synthensized from sea water about the carrier. Once at supercavitational speed though, they are, in effect, flying in the air and traditional jet engines will function, even underwater. Once the supercavity has been created, the rocket cuts out and the traditional jet engine takes over, fueled by conventional jet fuel. As long as the proper speed is maintained, the supercavity will continue to exist and the jet engines will function. Once they drop out of full cavitational speed though (750 mph to just under Mach 1, depending on the model), the rocket engine is required again. Obviously, carrying fuel for the jet engines and the rocket engine is a limiting factor and the sub-jets are designed to carry enough rocket fuel for only 3 (max) "burns" of about 20-30 seconds in duration.

I find one flaw in the jet engines

Jet engines suck air out of the atmosphere (the bubble) if you suck all the air out (probally in a matter of seconds) your engines arnt going to work, you would have to use your rocket engines all the time. If you used the jet engines you are going to effect the bubbles pressure to the point were it collaspes and the jet is crushed in an wall of water.

OOC: I would also like to say to those "attacking" my new subs, that supercavitating torpedoes have been around since 1977 or so. According to one of the sources for my material used in RP'ing the ship's creation, the U.S. has spent about $50 million a year on R & D into supercavitation technology. At that rate, over 25 years, they have spent a little over $1.25 Billion dollars. You will note, however, that I and TGSR, spent over $20 Trillion over the course of 15 years. Is it too unreasonable to expect that with this kind of investment on technology that is known to exist already, and merely needs "perfection" that we couldn't come up with something? I think not. PBS and the Discovery Channel place the Deep Angel project in the year 2078 at current spending and research levels all I did was speed it up by investing more and partnering with someone.

That said, what I posted before still goes. I'll accept the will of the majority, or at least those involved in a specific RP, as to the use of the craft on Earth V.

Another flaw is with the output:

2 things

First, wouldn't the hot air coming from the rocket and conventonal engines make the bubble bigger, thus making it unstable. This is just a thought.

And second, this thing will go only in a straight line underwater or have a very short range. When the thing tries to turn, it will slow down. And because you have only 3 burns, you would eat up your gas pretty quickly.

:D I find one flaw in the jet engines

Jet engines suck air out of the atmosphere (the bubble) if you suck all the air out (probally in a matter of seconds) your engines arnt going to work, you would have to use your rocket engines all the time. If you used the jet engines you are going to effect the bubbles pressure to the point were it collaspes and the jet is crushed in an wall of water.

OOC: Would you buy that we use "magic air?" How about "air in a can?" :D

Hmm, actually a good point, however, remember, its not like the air is sucked into the jet engine and dissapears into nothingness. It combines with the fuel, burns and is exhaused as CO2 and other gases, meanwhile, the cavitation forces is "creating" new "fresh" air out of the water as the craft is propelled forward. I'm no physics major, but I am sure there must be a "break even" point where the fresh air created by cavitation forces equal or exceed the exhaust gases being produced so that the jet engines continue to have enough oxygen to burn.

OOC: I would also like to say to those "attacking" my new subs, that supercavitating torpedoes have been around since 1977 or so. According to one of the sources for my material used in RP'ing the ship's creation, the U.S. has spent about $50 million a year on R & D into supercavitation technology. At that rate, over 25 years, they have spent a little over $1.25 Billion dollars. You will note, however, that I and TGSR, spent over $20 Trillion over the course of 15 years. Is it too unreasonable to expect that with this kind of investment on technology that is known to exist already, and merely needs "perfection" that we couldn't come up with something? I think not. PBS and the Discovery Channel place the Deep Angel project in the year 2078 at current spending and research levels all I did was speed it up by investing more and partnering with someone.

That said, what I posted before still goes. I'll accept the will of the majority, or at least those involved in a specific RP, as to the use of the craft on Earth V.

So they don't even know if an aircraft could even work underwater! I can see using NS to speed up reasearch, but to make something work that doesn't or might not even work IRL is tottaly absurd. Torpedos, mind you, are a lot less complicated than aircraft that must house people.

(I also love how people expect to buy stuff equal to their defense budget, then fund research programs, pay upkeep on their forces and them some)

2 things

First, wouldn't the hot air coming from the rocket and conventonal engines make the bubble bigger, thus making it unstable. This is just a thought.

And second, this thing will go only in a straight line underwater or have a very short range. When the thing tries to turn, it will slow down. And because you have only 3 burns, you would eat up your gas pretty quickly.

1. Yes & No, That is an issue that is being dealt with in RL development of the technology. However, recall that at the "tail end" of the bubble, gases are being "returned to the water" as the bubble "collapses." Also, note, I RP'd that the craft's sensors monitor air turbulence and adjust the vectoring of exhausts and the alignment of the cavitational surface on the front of the craft as well as cantalevers on the fins that extrude out of the bubble into the water. This was done partially in recognition of this issue. Also, to a point, the larger the bubble, the better. Once, however, it becomes so large the fins of the craft don't extrude from the bubble into the surrounding water, the ability to "steer" the bubble will be lost and the craft would "smash" into a wall of water the first time it attempted to change course.

2. This is partially explained above. In more detail though, just as a jet plane's loss in velocity is minimal in a course change, so are the sub jet's. As long as the speed is kept constantly above the supercavitational requirements and the cavitator on the front of the craft, the fins and cantalevers are properly adjusted, the bubble will "turn" with the craft and additional "burns" won't be needed. I would agree, however, that "turning on a dime" manuervability would not be possible underwater. For RP purposes, I'd say manueverability due to the need of keeping everything aligned, would be only at about 50-60% max of convential jet aircraft, depending on speeds involved.

20,000 Infantry land back in Cameroon to fortify the country and to state that Revertromance does indeed have an interest in the country.

Well I tried to turn you away from the idea. But I will have to do the thing I hate doing most: Ignore Cannon... Fire.

In my mind these things aren't MT, I dont care if you spent your whole GDP on research.

Well I tried to turn you away from the idea. But I will have to do the thing I hate doing most: Ignore Cannon... Fire.

In my mind these things aren't MT, I dont care if you spent your whole GDP on research.

Just except it; it isnt like YOU cant destroy it (just research some god-sent missle or something

New tech leads to nice fresh RPs

*uses mirror and reflects ignore beam*

So they don't even know if an aircraft could even work underwater! I can see using NS to speed up reasearch, but to make something work that doesn't or might not even work IRL is tottaly absurd. Torpedos, mind you, are a lot less complicated than aircraft that must house people.

(I also love how people expect to buy stuff equal to their defense budget, then fund research programs, pay upkeep on their forces and them some)

1. "they" know it will work, it is just a question of perfection of control/guidance systems for the craft and the supercavitional bubble - check the sources. I just sped up the R&D and solved the problems.

2. As to cost, I agree I couldn't have done it alone, but I don't claim too have done so. TGSR is involved and has shared the costs. My defense budget is over $3 Trillion though. If I used 25% of that for a period of 15 years (and why it is only a little over $3 trillion now, when it was over $4.3 Trillion when I started this last week I don't know, ask 3rd Geek) MY costs/expenditures would be in excess of $12 Trillion. Throw in TGSR and the assets of W.M.D., Inc. and $14 - $14.5 Trillion is easily accomplished by ME ALONE. Seeing as how, other than this, I'm maintaining a military force that is completely convential in nature (my most advanced carrier is a Nimitz class, my most advanced tank is a Abrams' class, my most advanced plane barely exceeds F22A Raptor status, etc.) I don't feel I'm out of the realm of feasibility.

3. Finally, I welcome input on how to make what I've done more "realistic" and again assert that I have no problem with Earth V nations who choose to ignore or limit the possibilities here. However, I don't think what I've created is completely "absurd." It may need work, tweaking and refining, but it is not ludicrous or unreasonable.

Just except it; it isnt like YOU cant destroy it (just research some god-sent missle or something

New tech leads to nice fresh RPs

*uses mirror and reflects ignore beam*


OOC: Thank you. :)

Well I tried to turn you away from the idea. But I will have to do the thing I hate doing most: Ignore Cannon... Fire.

In my mind these things aren't MT, I dont care if you spent your whole GDP on research.

That's fine, please read my foregoing posts. I'm not an ass who demands you recognize what I've done or face a nuke or some such BS. I've done what I consider to be a reasonable RP of new, but very feasible, technology. If you refuse to accept it, fine, I won't try to RP where you are involved. Is that so hard? There is no need to fire the ignore weapon. Just say you can't accept it as realistic and won't acknowledge it where you are concerned. Others will though, and you need to accept that, just as I am more than willing to say "OK, no supercavitational craft in RP's with USSNA." I'll live, you'll live and we can still have fun on Earth V.

EDIT: BTW, and as a complete RL aside for my own ego, can you not acknowledge, as RR and others have done, that at least the concept is good and well carried out by general NS standards; even if you won't accept it in MT or "near" MT RP's?

ooc: Holy, shit! The last 10 pages (about) have been arguing about different weapons and vehicles that CAN be used. Since arguing is going no where and the owner of Earth V doesn’t care or doesn't what to care, i propose we create a Weapons and Vehicle review board. This board will consist of a nation represent from Each Large Alliance (Such as FOAM) and will make up no more than 3 board members. Nations will have to submit their new invented vehicle plans to the Board for review to see:
-If it is feasible
-To determine if its properties are possible
-To ensure that it not future tech.

The reason for a member nation from Each of the Largest 3 alliances is because due to political reasons, A board member with certain ties may deny a vehicle or weapon due to either hostile relations between the reviewer and the creator or because the reviewer has ties to a nation with poor relations to the creator of the object being reviewed. that may bias the reviewer's judgement on the item being reviewed.

The part of the creator is to present the stats of the proposed vehicle and answer any question asked by the reviewers.

NO vehicle or Weapon already not in existence can be officially used or created until passed by the board of reviewers.


Add on: there will also be an added 2 board members who have no affiliation to any alliance.
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Eh? what do you think? i will edit it if ya'll wish, but i think this is the only way to keep these stupid future and unrealistic weapons from popping all over the place.

i agree with vineyards porposal

i agree with vineyards porposal
Perhaps i should start a poll?

EDIT* No wait. How do i start a poll??

Oh no, I'm not ignoring you, just that little peice of tech you got there. :p

The concept in itslef is briliant if you ask me. But just not workable with MT.



Just except it; it isnt like YOU cant destroy it (just research some god-sent missle or something

New tech leads to nice fresh RPs

*uses mirror and reflects ignore beam*

I would, but I dont work that way.


(P.S. I am haveing a very fierce battle right now. Weither to just accept it into the Rp even though I dont approve or dont acknolodge it.)

(P.S.2 If I do accept this, I must demand that I get to have Microwave weapons. While they are MT, I generally dont include them in my MT list-o-techs. Basically, what it can do is mimic the effects of an EMP without the whole nuke part. Another use is that it can be used to disrupt a person's short-term memory and cause them to lose voluntary muscle function.)

Just letting you know that I'm alive...

No one ever really told me what the heck is going on, though.

I would have to agree with Vineyards proposal except on one part. The top 3 alliances should be represented there, but there should be 2 nations there that are not in a top alliance.

Since i bought new ships off the International Pawn shop (love the idea) ill repost my navy

8 Toyru Class BB
1 Righiz Class Supercarrier
10 Clinton Class Supercarriers
6 Nimitz Class Supercarriers
50 Hellsing Class BB
50 Korov Class Missle Battlecruisers
70 Baracuda Class Supply Ships
20 Em-125 Class Missle Corvettes
20 Zimbalt Class Missle Cruisers
5 Sea Bastard Class Missle Attack Subs
2 Bud II Class Missle Subs
5 Aghis Class Gun Cruisers

My navy has reached over 700,000 enlisted has more money going into this setor than my enitre army and airforce combined

(if i ever get into an war im going to have an major imbalance :p )

O and Dallabillvill (an friend); he has land in Paraguay but because hes grounded because his grades stink he cant really RP much

Just so you know he isnt blowing off this earth

This is MT im sure of it but some of you may say its PMT

Mobile suits (only for atmoshperic combat no space crap)

(got the idea of of gundam and xenosaga) maybe if i tone it down a bit?

I havent made any yet; just asking what you guys think

I would have to agree with Vineyards proposal except on one part. The top 3 alliances should be represented there, but their should be 2 nations there that are not in a top alliance.
That sounds good. i will edit it.

This is MT im sure of it but some of you may say its PMT

Mobile suits (only for atmoshperic combat no space crap)

(got the idea of of gundam and xenosaga) maybe if i tone it down a bit?

I havent made any yet; just asking what you guys think
That kind of stuff is unrealistic. That would go before my proposed board if i can get it acknowladged.

This is MT im sure of it but some of you may say its PMT

Mobile suits (only for atmoshperic combat no space crap)

(got the idea of of gundam and xenosaga) maybe if i tone it down a bit?

I havent made any yet; just asking what you guys think

That isn't even PMT, that is FT. The closest we would ever get to Mobile Suits, in my opinnion, would be exoskeletons with armor on them with some weapon systems.

That isn't even PMT, that is FT. The closest we would ever get to Mobile Suits, in my opinnion, would be exoskeletons with armor on them with some weapon systems.

fine ill save it for the Ft rps; just checking

I am active in FT a bit

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391585
any help from you FT people; i made it in like 15 minutes and thinking about upgrading it but that is the basic idea

Since i bought new ships off the International Pawn shop (love the idea) ill repost my navy

8 Toyru Class BB
1 Righiz Class Supercarrier
10 Clinton Class Supercarriers
6 Nimitz Class Supercarriers
50 Hellsing Class BB
50 Korov Class Missle Battlecruisers
70 Baracuda Class Supply Ships
20 Em-125 Class Missle Corvettes
20 Zimbalt Class Missle Cruisers
5 Sea Bastard Class Missle Attack Subs
2 Bud II Class Missle Subs
5 Aghis Class Gun Cruisers

My navy has reached over 700,000 enlisted has more money going into this setor than my enitre army and airforce combined

(if i ever get into an war im going to have an major imbalance :p )

1) Hope you got enough men to fill these ships.

2) Hope you got the logistics and logistic vessels to help feed these new ships.

3) Hope you got enough money to pay for their operating cost.

1) Hope you got enough men to fill these ships.

2) Hope you got the logistics and logistic vessels to help feed these new ships.

3) Hope you got enough money to pay for their operating cost.

yes i went over the budget several times in the last week and i have the logistics (my logistics are for the intire arm, not just an single branch)

ooc: Holy, shit! The last 10 pages (about) have been arguing about different weapons and vehicles that CAN be used. Since arguing is going no where and the owner of Earth V doesn’t care or doesn't what to care, i propose we create a Weapons and Vehicle review board. This board will consist of a nation represent from Each Large Alliance (Such as FOAM) and will make up no more than 3 board members. Nations will have to submit their new invented vehicle plans to the Board for review to see:
-If it is feasible
-To determine if its properties are possible
-To ensure that it not future tech.

The reason for a member nation from Each of the Largest 3 alliances is because due to political reasons, A board member with certain ties may deny a vehicle or weapon due to either hostile relations between the reviewer and the creator or because the reviewer has ties to a nation with poor relations to the creator of the object being reviewed. that may bias the reviewer's judgement on the item being reviewed.

The part of the creator is to present the stats of the proposed vehicle and answer any question asked by the reviewers.

NO vehicle or Weapon already not in existence can be officially used or created until passed by the board of reviewers.


Add on: there will also be an added 2 board members who have no affiliation to any alliance.
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Eh? what do you think? i will edit it if ya'll wish, but i think this is the only way to keep these stupid future and unrealistic weapons from popping all over the place.


Sounds reasonable to me except I'd say it could be "created" just not here on Earth V. For example, I think my supercavitational ships are just fine for NS Earth as a whole as are USSNA's microwave weapons. However, whether they are acceptable, and if so, what limits are to be applied on Earth V should be a matter for the board you are proposing.

OOC: Sharina, RevertRomance, VirginIncursion, please note:

NA & Carribean Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8011086#post8011086)

ooc: Holy, shit! The last 10 pages (about) have been arguing about different weapons and vehicles that CAN be used. Since arguing is going no where and the owner of Earth V doesn’t care or doesn't what to care, i propose we create a Weapons and Vehicle review board. This board will consist of a nation represent from Each Large Alliance (Such as FOAM) and will make up no more than 3 board members. Nations will have to submit their new invented vehicle plans to the Board for review to see:
-If it is feasible
-To determine if its properties are possible
-To ensure that it not future tech.

The reason for a member nation from Each of the Largest 3 alliances is because due to political reasons, A board member with certain ties may deny a vehicle or weapon due to either hostile relations between the reviewer and the creator or because the reviewer has ties to a nation with poor relations to the creator of the object being reviewed. that may bias the reviewer's judgement on the item being reviewed.

The part of the creator is to present the stats of the proposed vehicle and answer any question asked by the reviewers.

NO vehicle or Weapon already not in existence can be officially used or created until passed by the board of reviewers.


Add on: there will also be an added 2 board members who have no affiliation to any alliance.
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Eh? what do you think? i will edit it if ya'll wish, but i think this is the only way to keep these stupid future and unrealistic weapons from popping all over the place.

Nice idea, but it's much more simplier (and easier) to:

Have a forum to report possible Future-Tech weapons, and independately discuss them.

EDIT:

http://www.getfreebb.com/members/index.php?mforum=EarthV&act=idx

PBS and the Discovery Channel place the Deep Angel project in the year 2078 at current spending and research levels all I did was speed it up by investing more and partnering with someone.

That said, what I posted before still goes. I'll accept the will of the majority, or at least those involved in a specific RP, as to the use of the craft on Earth V.
Good you accept that.
But I don't get how you can say that a tech that will be ready in more that 50 years from now, IS MT as in exists today or before 2015? No matter if you say you spend more money on that. It shouldn't be allowed to be an excuse for that. In that case everybody can say so, and use whatever tech they want...

Since i bought new ships off the International Pawn shop (love the idea) ill repost my navy

8 Toyru Class BB
1 Righiz Class Supercarrier
10 Clinton Class Supercarriers
6 Nimitz Class Supercarriers
50 Hellsing Class BB
50 Korov Class Missle Battlecruisers
70 Baracuda Class Supply Ships
20 Em-125 Class Missle Corvettes
20 Zimbalt Class Missle Cruisers
5 Sea Bastard Class Missle Attack Subs
2 Bud II Class Missle Subs
5 Aghis Class Gun Cruisers

My navy has reached over 700,000 enlisted has more money going into this setor than my enitre army and airforce combined

(if i ever get into an war im going to have an major imbalance :p )

OOC:
You might want to use the tags IC and OOC in your posts. IC means InCharacter and you use it whenever you post as your presidenk/king/defense minister or something. The OOC-tag is used whenever you want to say something OutOfCharacter, when you say something as the player you are.

I think that you have too many carriers. You already have 16 carriers, and you're a december 2004 nation. In RL USA has a bit over a dozen, and they're the most powerful navy in the RL world. I have 16 carriers, all Nimitz-class, and I'm a aug 2004 nation, just a bit under 1 billion people.

EDIT: My population is around 920 million. 1% of them is enlisted in the military, makes just over 9 million men. They split something like this:
Army: 5.5 million. 50% logistics: 2.75 million, 50% troops: 2.75 million.
Navy: 1.8 million. 65% logistics: 1.2 million, 35% troops: 0.6 million.
Air Force: 1.8 million. 85% logistics: 1.55 million, troops: 0.25 million.

2% of my inhabitants is listen in the reserve, that makes 18.3 million. But they're not as good trained as the ordinary troops.

Remember to keep your figures reasonable.
/EDIT


IC: We haven't heard from you? We asked if you needed any help in Africa? We saw your were transporting troops to and from Africa. Tell us if you're up to something! We have some available troops in Western Sahara, in case someone is threatening you.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

O and Dallabillvill (an friend); he has land in Paraguay but because hes grounded because his grades stink he cant really RP much

Just so you know he isnt blowing off this earth
OOC: Posts like this will do much better in the OOC-thread as they have nothing to do with any RP... Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390622

Good you accept that.
But I don't get how you can say that a tech that will be ready in more that 50 years from now, IS MT as in exists today or before 2015? No matter if you say you spend more money on that. It shouldn't be allowed to be an excuse for that. In that case everybody can say so, and use whatever tech they want...


I'm not claiming that it is MT or even 2015 Tech. No "year level" has been set. All I've claimed is that it is reasonable and feasible technology to exist at some point. If it can exist 50 - 75 years from now at current R & D levels and funding though, why can't an increase in funding from $1.25 Billion over the past 25 years ($50 Million a year) to $20 Trillion over 15 years do something to compress, significantly, the timeline? At the rate of $50 Million a year, over the next 100 years, we get a total cost of $5,000,000,000.00 ($5 Billion). Less than 1% of what I and TGSR spent over 15 years, and not even close to one year's military budget for me alone; let alone 15 years for me and TGSR and W.M.D., Inc. total. If you wish to factor inflation and consider that technology won't keep up with expenditure, then consider a $5 Trillion dollar cost spread over the next 100 years (or $50,000,000,000.00 ($50 Billion) a year). That is still only 2.5% of what we spent to develop the technology. All we did is compress the time line from 100 years to 15 (i.e. we did it in 15% of the time it might take) but we did so at a cost increase of 75% ($5 Trillion vs. $20 Trillion) I don't think this is too outlandish.

On the other hand, I am not claiming my development costs and the compression of the timeline for development they should entail "require" that the tech be accepted or "excused" or deemed MT. There is plenty of tech that I would not accept, such as FTL travel, that could be "explained" in a similar fashion and argued to be MT. I just think my development has a solid basis and founding in MT and science and is at least worthy of consideration. I mean, the weapons exist already and have for over 25 years. All I did was spend a buttload of money in order to resolve the guidance issues inherent in what was already a RL thing.

Again, I'm not trying to be an ass and I'll accept an "official" ruling and/or agree to keep these craft out of RP's with those on Earth V who feel I've godmodded them or gone outside the accepted Earth V tech level understanding. OK? Why isn't that good enough? Or is it?

ooc. Agree with Vineyards proposal. This FT discussion is getting a bit annoying :) Seems your a bit overbuying RevertRomance.

***ELECTION RESULTS***

Ladies and Gentlemen, we can give you the election results.

Socialist Party-52%
Muslem Party-32%
Native Party-10%
Liberals United-4%

In a parliaiment of 150 seats the result will look like this

Socialist Party-78 seats
Muslem Party-48 seats
Native Party-15 seats
Liberals United-6 seats
Communist Party-2 seats
Imperialist/Ultra Nationalist Party-1 seat

The banned Parties, the Communist and Imperialist Parties, each get a small number of seats to make sure a large part of the population is represented.

yes i went over the budget several times in the last week and i have the logistics (my logistics are for the intire arm, not just an single branch)

OOC:That is all fine and well, but you have no logistics ships. You cannot just feed money into a machine into a ship and it would just magically have fuel. (I am working on that though :))


OOC: Sharina, RevertRomance, VirginIncursion, please note:

NA & Carribean Conference

OOC:May I be added into this conference? I do own Trinidad and Tobago.

Nice idea, but it's much more simplier (and easier) to:

Have a forum to report possible Future-Tech weapons, and independately discuss them.

EDIT:

http://www.getfreebb.com/members/index.php?mforum=EarthV&act=idx
"Discussion" will get no where if the person who makes the unrealistic weapon is determined to use it no matter what.

***INTERN MILITARY BULLETIN***

Because of the modernizing of our millitary we have invested in new equipment:

Sidearms:
Standard-Desert Eagle .50
Special operations-OTs-33 "Pernach" automatic pistol

Firearms:
Standard-XM-8(with XM320 Grenadelauncher
Special Ops-Bizon Submachinegun
Sniper-XM-8 (sniper conversion)

Machineguns:
XM-8 (Automatic Rifle Conversion)
M240G Medium Machine Gun

RPG's:
M136 AT4 Light Anti-Tank
SMAW
FIM-92A Stinger

Mortars:
M29 80mm
M121 120mm

For naval modernizing we will by 12 more Battlecruisers of the Admiral Class (making a total of 15) and 5 Battleships of the Frunze class. We still seek a proper replacement for our Submarine fleet.
The Airforce will take the Felagund (a conversion of Vineyard's X-36a) in production. A total of 1500 will be produced at first, more can be produced later on. We will eventually seek other Air planes to take into service.

ooc. This is secret IC, but it may be interesting to now ooc.:D

I am just wondering if we can get this freggin' world war started and screw over all of this aruging! So far it sounds like everyone is in agreement about my proposal. I will open polls in the free webs Earth V thingy. PLEASE VOTE FOR MY PROPOSAL.

Vote Here: http://www.getfreebb.com/members/index.php?mforum=EarthV&showforum=14

OOC:May I be added into this conference? I do own Trinidad and Tobago.

OOC: I've asked in the thread if any one objects to your participation. I don't

OOC: to Kopperbargs

Well, as far having 16 Carriers is consider; i recieved few and bought the couple. Your right though, my Navy is thinned out because of all the recent ships bought (they were at bargain prices im not passing those up) And as far as Logistics go 70% of my forces are home based (patrols) so its not like they're half way around the world. For fuel; they're mostly Nuclear and for food and supplies, its all supplied at the docks (the patrol is only an week long cruise basically)

Hope that answered your questions and im not in the planning stages of "upsizing" my navy for probally another RL week or so.

(i only have about 20 B left in my Defense Budget ;) )

The highly trained soldiers of Zuhair Malik were sweating heavily in the desert sun, in the suburbs of Aleppo, where the army had made a spearhead with 500,000 of its troops. Resistance was restricted to a few militias and what remained of their national army after it was overrun during the night by Zuhair Malikian troops. About every minuet, the troops gained 10 yards through skill and superiority in arms. the troops carried highly modified GSR36-A1s. These weapons had laser targeters and high precision accuracy upgrades added on. The reason for such huge advancements, was that there were too few troops and too much money (only 1 million troops in the army). Hell. the troops were served gormet dinneres each night and enjoyed a life of luxury. Luxury that is, only during peace times. Times when you didn't have to screem for a medic while attempting to hold your innards inside your belly which had been ripped open by an enemy bayonet slash, times when your buddies didn't die all around you. But, yes. Luxury and Elitenss was the name of the game in the Army. So much in fact, that the soldiers wern't sure how the enemy can't hit their intended target every time. Well, it was sure amusing as they captured the city of Aleppo how the enemy troops were poorly armed and didn't know how to clean their own weapons.

Location: In the waters just outside Tel-Aviv, Israel

A Visby-class corvette, constructed with stealth technology, was approaching the Israeli coast in the late night. The lights were off and the ship moved slowly.

"Sir, we have five minutes to the position!" said the lieutenant.

"Okay, prepare to leave." answered the captain.


At the same time, high up in the air above Tel-Aviv

Five Gripens flankered the B-52. They were at a very high altitude. Their course was straight above Tel-Aviv.

"We're unloading in six minutes, be ready!" said the pilot in the B-52.

"Yepp, we're with you, BlueBird. Hey! One rotten apple is coming eight a clock! Wait, they're three! Lock the missiles!" the pilot in on of the Gripens was ready for this, but he had wished that they shouldn't come...


In the mean time in the waters outside Tel-Aviv

A small boat leaved the Visby corvette. A group of 15 marines, heavy armed was approaching the Israeli coast. When they were 10 minutes away from the corvette, a huge explosion lighted up the sky. The Israelis had found the corvette...

"Holy shit! The stealth didn't make us invisible, that’s clear!"

"No, but they didn't find the ship as fast as they had done otherwise... To bad for the men on the boat. Now, move on." The small boat continued towards the beach.


Above Tel-Aviv

"Missile locked! But he has locked on me too! Take him out!!"

Three seconds after he said that, his plane was hit by a Rafael Python 5-missile from the Israeli Air Force, just seconds before the three Israeli planes was shot down by Tomahawks fired from Kopparbergs Gripen-planes. One more Gripen was hit, and crashed into the ground. They did manage to protect the B-52, so he could complete his mission: unload the explosives over Tel-Aviv. This time the explosives were pre-programmed Tomahawks, meant for strategically targets in and around Tel-Aviv.

In the chaos made by the bombings, it was rather easy for the small task force in the boat to land outside Tel-Aviv. The first stage of their mission was completed.

--Vineyard Palace, Ston.--
*Ring* Lord Vineyard looks up from this laptop and picks up the phone.
"Hello?"
"My lord, this is Gen. Turkmanstazi."
"Ah, yes, Gen. How may i help you today?"
"Agents under my regional control informed me that Koppersbergs is attempting landings in Israel."
"Shit, no. We must not let him get a foot hold anywhere near the Arabian Peninsula. Mobilize the entire tank corp and half of the infantry. Take Jerusalem. they can't declare victory without that city. oh, and drop AK-47's and ammo from the air to the israli gov't. Tell them its a gift."
"Yes sir. At once."
Lord Vineyard II hung up the phone and sat there thinking. He then reached for the phone again, dialing a number.
"Lord Vineyard. How may i serve you?"
"Telegram Celack. Tell him that it is essiantial to keep koppersbergs from seizing israel. He could use it against the coalition in this upcomming war. Ask him for aid."
"Yes my lord."

Location: In the waters just outside Tel-Aviv, Israel

A Visby-class corvette, constructed with stealth technology, was approaching the Israeli coast in the late night. The lights were off and the ship moved slowly.

"Sir, we have five minutes to the position!" said the lieutenant.

"Okay, prepare to leave." answered the captain.


At the same time, high up in the air above Tel-Aviv

Five Gripens flankered the B-52. They were at a very high altitude. Their course was straight above Tel-Aviv.

"We're unloading in six minutes, be ready!" said the pilot in the B-52.

"Yepp, we're with you, BlueBird. Hey! One rotten apple is coming eight a clock! Wait, they're three! Lock the missiles!" the pilot in on of the Gripens was ready for this, but he had wished that they shouldn't come...


In the mean time in the waters outside Tel-Aviv

A small boat leaved the Visby corvette. A group of 15 marines, heavy armed was approaching the Israeli coast. When they were 10 minutes away from the corvette, a huge explosion lighted up the sky. The Israelis had found the corvette...

"Holy shit! The stealth didn't make us invisible, that’s clear!"

"No, but they didn't find the ship as fast as they had done otherwise... To bad for the men on the boat. Now, move on." The small boat continued towards the beach.


Above Tel-Aviv

"Missile locked! But he has locked on me too! Take him out!!"

Three seconds after he said that, his plane was hit by a Rafael Python 5-missile from the Israeli Air Force, just seconds before the three Israeli planes was shot down by Tomahawks fired from Kopparbergs Gripen-planes. One more Gripen was hit, and crashed into the ground. They did manage to protect the B-52, so he could complete his mission: unload the explosives over Tel-Aviv. This time the explosives were pre-programmed Tomahawks, meant for strategically targets in and around Tel-Aviv.

In the chaos made by the bombings, it was rather easy for the small task force in the boat to land outside Tel-Aviv. The first stage of their mission was completed.

OOC:

You'll be fighting IDF then. He has stated that he'll be fighting in this war as he says in the Swiss War thread (or was it the Earth V OOC thread?)

With amazing speed, 750,000 troops riding armored transports and Tanks(7,500) have smashed into Jordan with suprising speed, and without warning. The Jordinian militatry has been caught with their pants down and already their central command has been destroied. Already divisions of Infantry and tanks have penetrated as far as the Israli border and further. Troops are assulting their capitol of Amman and have already taken much of the city. What remains of their military has either deserted or fled into the Gaza strip... probably to hide or to regroup. Citizens are either startled or tramautized when they woke up to see thousands of troops riding vehicules down their streets. This suprising attack may be in desperation to stop the conquest of Israel by Koppersbergs. Already planes are dropping off weapons and ammo to the israli gov't.

OOC:

You'll be fighting IDF then. He has stated that he'll be fighting in this war as he says in the Swiss War thread (or was it the Earth V OOC thread?)
OOC: No, Israel is unlaimed, IDF don't have Israel in Earth V. He gave it up earlier, don't know when. Link: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7959985&postcount=1581

OOC:

You'll be fighting IDF then. He has stated that he'll be fighting in this war as he says in the Swiss War thread (or was it the Earth V OOC thread?)

KOPPARSBERG!

You told me he gave up all claims on Earth V, right?

In Singapore, Military HQ was in an uproar

Jang:"Kopparbergs invaded Israël? So what?"
lt. Howard:"Vineyard will move against him according reports! This can spark the world war!"
Jang:"Oh God! Hmmm, I got some ideas for this kind of situation to keep us out."

***MESSAGE TO ALL NATIONS***

Warta Endor will not allow any military transports through/over its territory. Any attempt to do so will be prevented, if necesary with force. Only if a nation gives a good reason and has good relations with Warta Endor may it be approved. We call upon all nations to prevent a large war. We have enough experience to know that war is a bad thing.

Signed, Chief of Staff, General Jang

Jang:"Have the Navy and the Air Force patrol our territory. How's the Borneo and Celebes campaign going?"
Gen Hiddinski:"We've met heavy resistence. We have a large number of casualties. The locals don't seem to be very happy with a new government. We have the situation under control though. But if you want to be sure, we could send reinforcements."
Jang:"How many troops are there now? How many can we send?"
Hidinski:"We've got 350000 men on Borneo and 200000 men on Celebes. We can send some 1.5 million men who returned from Africa and aren't demobilized yet."
Jang:"Send 150000 men to Borneo and 100000 men to Celebes. I want this campaign to finish quickly, to begin the reorginization."
Hidinski:"God, Buddha and Allah only now when it will be over."
Jang:"Amen *laughs out loud*"

Message to Vineyard in Creoatian:

Te bolji ne nahuditi bilo koji religiozni isprdak in Israel , ili mi ćemo dobiti jako pijan. Dobra sreća inače , i uživati slobodan iskričav sjaj svile za tvoj vojnik Hienkelsteiner , Njemačka.

-Ludo Hienkel.

English Translation:

You better not harm any religious crap in Israel, or we will get pissed. Good luck otherwise, and enjoy free sparkling water for your soldiers from Hienkelsteiner, Germany.

-Ludp Hienkel

OOC: No, Israel is unlaimed, IDF don't have Israel in Earth V. He gave it up earlier, don't know when. Link: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7959985&postcount=1581

Here's the IDF post I was talking about.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8014310&postcount=29

This is in in the Swiss War thread.

OOC: USSNA - You've been invited to the conference, please RP your arrival and we'll get down to business. Here is the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391598)

KOPPARSBERG!

You told me he gave up all claims on Earth V, right?
OOC: Yepp, see this link, a message posted in the Earth II-thread (about that he is not allowed to have claims in other earths than Earth II):
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7959985&postcount=1581

The message is:
I renounced all other Earth claims so I don't see why they are still up there. Hataria hasn't been on in a while so I think Earth IV is dead and I gave up Earth V a while ago along with Earth IV

If you need any help with the take of Ireasal we could help you by sending over an Carrier (85 planes would help :) )

Just give us the word and we're be over there

Ofcourse if you rather do this by yourself and take the city w/o destroying it, we'd understand that aswell

High Command Offical Release

(wait IDF owns Ireasel, i thought it was unclaimed; well if it isn't claimed than ill help but if IS claimed by the IDF i cannot help due to the fact im neutral in this world war)
A carrier? wow. we will "escort" your carrier into Split to be striped then scuttled. Do not interfere in this.

A carrier? wow. we will "escort" your carrier into Split to be striped then scuttled. Do not interfere in this.

understood completely; what operation ;)

A carrier? wow. we will "escort" your carrier into Split to be striped then scuttled. Do not interfere in this.

Do you speak Creotian?

Message to Vineyard in Creoatian:

Te bolji ne nahuditi bilo koji religiozni isprdak in Israel , ili mi ćemo dobiti jako pijan. Dobra sreća inače , i uživati slobodan iskričav sjaj svile za tvoj vojnik Hienkelsteiner , Njemačka.

-Ludo Hienkel.
You completely butchered it. As usual. :D
And its croatian. I could barley read it because the word order and grammer is in the shitbag.

Word for word this is what you said: These ultra (?) does not harm whichever religious crap in Israel , or we will profit(??) pissed. Speed otherwise(?) , plus leap with joy(?) wide sparkling water for yours soldier Hienkelsteiner , Germany.

As you can see, i had trouble reading it. You clearly used one hell of a horrible transylation engine. I didn't know that one existed for croatian. oh well.

Message to High Command, RevertRomance

We will appreciate any kind of help with this situation, as we expect heavy resistance.

General Carl Hamilton, Secretary of Defense
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

You completely butchered it. As usual. :D
And its croatian. I could barley read it because the word order and grammer is in the shitbag.

LOL!

It literally translates to:

These ultra does not harm whichever religious crap in Israel , or we emo profit pissed. Dobra srea inae , plus leap with joy wide sparklet water for yours soldier Hienkelsteiner , Dummy.

Dummy = Germany ! HOW DARE THEY!

Message to High Command, RevertRomance

We will appreciate any kind of help with this situation, as we expect heavy resistance.

General Carl Hamilton, Secretary of Defense
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Secret IC to Kopparbergs

Im being threatened by Vineyard; i dont know if its worth the effort to further escalate this war. However, i will send in a few (20) C-130s full of food, ammo, and supplies. This will help with the invasion. And just so you know they will be disguised as International Aid (the equivalant of hospital ships) planes and if he attacks these planes than diplomatic relationships between our countries might go down the tube, so to speak. However, i doudt he will attack a bunch of sick people ;)

They will arrive in 10 hours time (NS of course)

(im nowhere close to Ireasel, its going to take awhile)

Tel-Aviv, Israel

The small group of 15 marines began their mission. No one took care of them as the air-raid warning sirens were yelling all around the city. There was a total chaos. Many Tomahawk missiles hit targets in Tel-Aviv. They were continuously fired from submarines and Battle Cruisers outside Tel-Aviv. Airplanes were in the air all the time, both Kopparbergs' and Israelian.

The marines managed to enter the military area where Rav Aluf Moshe Ya'alon, the Israeli Defense Forces' Chief of General Staff was located. Their mission is to eliminate him.

Message to RevertRomance High Command

We expected Vineyard to threaten you, and we understand that you might have problems with that... Anyway, we will try to have an airport secured in about 10 hours. Otherwise it can be hard for you to land here. In that case you can land on Cyprus where we have the situation completely under control.

General Carl Hamilton, Secretary of Defense
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Under cover of darkness, 10 men in scuba gear surfaced from the lake and came on shore in Gary, Indiana. A similar group, though not in scuba gear, made their way into Terre Haute. Who they were, what they were up to was unknown, but it certainly wasn't good.

--telegram to koppersbergs.--
We will allow you to pull back from Israel within 48 hours. Faliure to answer this message in agreement within 1 hour will result in... forced removal.

in Greek: (we have no idea how to contact you as you own many diverse nations. Since you own cyprus, we figure greek may work.): τραβώ έξω από Ισραήλ. αυτό είναι δικό σου τελευταίοs προειδοποιώ!

ooc: TGSR, i keep finding Croatian transylation engines. It has lots of neat stuff too! Thanks!

Later that night as the C-130s neared Kopperbargs lines, they found themselves the target or near ALL anti aircraft fire. Flak rounds were ripping past the planes as they got closer to Kopperbargs. An sqaudron of Kopperbargs fighters supercruised past the C-130s (Kopperbarg knew they were coming). Finally they arrived at the drop point and dropped all the supplies. They quickly shot back up into the darkness (around 14,000 ft) and started heading back towards Cameroon. 2 planes had been hit by 40 mm rounds and 3 other planes had been hit in various places with flak. Other than that everyone was fine, although shaken.

(hope you got all the supplies Kopperbargs :), airdrops work for the msot part )

Mission success, we got in and out with anyone really knowing we were there

Later that night as the C-130s neared Kopperbargs lines, they found themselves the target or near ALL anti aircraft fire. Flak rounds were ripping past the planes as they got closer to Kopperbargs. An sqaudron of Kopperbargs fighters supercruised past the C-130s (Kopperbarg knew they were coming). Finally they arrived at the drop point and dropped all the supplies. They quickly shot back up into the darkness (around 14,000 ft) and started heading back towards Cameroon. 2 planes had been hit by 40 mm rounds and 3 other planes had been hit in various places with flak. Other than that everyone was fine, although shaken.

(hope you got all the supplies Kopperbargs :), airdrops work for the msot part )

Mission success, we got in and out with anyone really knowing we were there
A flight of Eurofighters picked up the C-130's and realized that they were heading from Israel.
::Move in to escort boys. We don't want them dead. Escort them to Croatia.::
::Roger!::

-Wide frequency brodcats.-
::Unidentiied plane. Allow us to escort you to croatia for examination and detention until we can discover who and where you are from. You were detected flying from Israel. you also appear to have sustained battle damage. We have no quirrel with you, but please obey our command.::

A flight of Eurofighters picked up the C-130's and realized that they were heading from Israel.
::Move in to escort boys. We don't want them dead. Escort them to Croatia.::
::Roger!::

-Wide frequency brodcats.-
::Unidentiied plane. Allow us to escort you to croatia for examination and detention until we can discover who and where you are from. You were detected flying from Israel. you also appear to have sustained battle damage. We have no quirrel with you, but please obey our command.::

Crap........uh, give corridinates to Kopperbargs and keep him notified were we are.

"This is Revertromance, just returning to base. And your right, We got shot at from Ireasali guns during an fly over. We are currently onroute to Cameroon; could we possible continue?", Pilot 1

"Just continue to proceed to Croitica (i think i spelled it right), we're escort you"

crap

"Okay, falling into your formation and continuing to Croiticia", replies the pilot

"Tell the rest of the crews to act dumb about droping in Ireasal, tell them to keep quite it's an VERY important, once we land of course", pilot 1 to copilot1 NOT over the radio

And make sure no one is over listening.

((OOC: Revertromance, I hope you know that if you are found helling Kopperbargs, you will not be neutral anymore.))

((OOC: Revertromance, I hope you know that if you are found helling Kopperbargs, you will not be neutral anymore.))

which is why my people are going to die first talk second (dont doudt them)

Telegram to Lord Vineyard II

We thank you for the 48 hour respite.

Offical Release to the World from Revertromance High Command:

Vineyard, i understand you're holding our C-130 supply ships and detaining them!!!!! This is will not be tolerated! this is absurd; i assure you it was nothing more than an simply flyover. As for the bullet holes, its a few stray rounds from the Ireasal battle. It isnt like the wings were blown off, and they weren't fighters for god's sake. I will not stand for the detainment of Revertromance International Aid C-130s! I order you release the planes and pilots IMMEDAITLY.

Awaiting your reply Lord Vineyard II

PS: Your not the diplomatic genius your father was! Detaining planes is usally considered an act of war, mind you. But if you simply release the planes ill over look this.

Tel-Aviv

"We have located Rav Aluf Moshe Ya'alon! We're sending over the coordinates right now! Please confirm!" said one of the marines on the radio.
They were inside the military complex in Tel-Aviv. Usually there was heavy security in this place, but due to the chaos made by the Tomahawks (one even hit this base) they managed to enter the base.

"Roger, we have the coordinates! Three Tomahawks will come in about four minutes. Please leave the area!" replied the HQ.

The marines leaved. They didn't run because they wouldn't like to bring attention. Suddenly there was a large explosion in the air a few hundred meters away. The Israelis had shot down one of the Tomahawks. A millisecond after that, two more explosions came. This time in the building where the Defense Forces' Chief of General Staff was located. The marines flew away a couple of meters, but they didn't get any serious hurts – expect for one of the marines who were hit by a large bloc of concrete. He died immediately.

"Task Force Potatochief to HQ! Task Force Potatochief to HQ! Target is out! I repeat, target is out!!" reported one of the marines in the radio.

::: Fade In :::

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Telegram to Vineyard

It has come to my attention that you have a couple of planes from RevertRomance in Croatia. We missed the bastards. We tried to shoot them down over Israel, but they somehow managed to escape. If you make something frightful with them, I'll be pleased.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Secret IC to RevertRomance:
I have sent a message to Vineyard where I state that we tried to shot you down, and I'll be very happy if he makes something frightful with your planes and the crews. If he thinks that you're my enemy, he will be your friend. It's worth a shot.
And thanks for the aid, it will raise the moral of the troops on the field.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Telegram to Vineyard

It has come to my attention that you have a couple of planes from RevertRomance in Croatia. We missed the bastards. We tried to shoot them down over Israel, but they somehow managed to escape. If you make something frightful with them, I'll be pleased.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Secret IC to RevertRomance:
I have sent a message to Vineyard where I state that we tried to shot you down, and I'll be very happy if he makes something frightful with your planes and the crews. If he thinks that you're my enemy, he will be your friend. It's worth a shot.
And thanks for the aid, it will raise the moral of the troops on the field.

King Carl Oscar C
Kingdom of Kopparbergs


Secret IC: to kopperbargs
maybe; but i wouldnt go that far as enemies; maybe an mistaken or misfire
and i will keep an recon heads-up as soon as i launch my new statlite (in planning stage for an milatary recon statalite)

Telegram to Vineyard

It has come to my attention that you have a couple of planes from RevertRomance in Croatia. We missed the bastards. We tried to shoot them down over Israel, but they somehow managed to escape. If you make something frightful with them, I'll be pleased.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Secret IC to RevertRomance:
I have sent a message to Vineyard where I state that we tried to shot you down, and I'll be very happy if he makes something frightful with your planes and the crews. If he thinks that you're my enemy, he will be your friend. It's worth a shot.
And thanks for the aid, it will raise the moral of the troops on the field.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

-Telegram to Koppersbergs-
We are obtaining information from them. Fortunately, the C-130's managed to make it to Zagreb and have been taken to one of our many Mountain facilities. Unfortunately for the Pilots, we have found their mission orders in their plane. Apparently they were to drop your troops supplies. Currently the pilots arn't talking, but we feel that with... certain procedures... they will be talking soon. Please explain to us why you knew they were in our custody. We picked up a transmission that they sent off while we were escorting them to Zagreb, but we havn't been able to decypher it.

We are obtaining information from them. Fortunately, the C-130's managed to make it to Zagreb and have been taken to one of our many Mountain facilities. Unfortunately for the Pilots, we have found their mission orders in their plane. Apparently they were to drop your troops supplies. Currently the pilots arn't talking, but we feel that with... certain procedures... they will be talking soon.

OOC: my people dont carry mission orders on them!!!!, how stupid do you think my milatary planners are

IC: What you probally found was an map so they wouldnt get lost over the landmarkless desert

(OOC: it wouldnt carry anything with mission details on it)

OOC: my people dont carry mission orders on them!!!!, how stupid do you think my milatary planner are
ooc:Its all part of a royal bluff. Intel. says that supplies were drooped into koppersbergian lines around the time your C-130's were around the area. besides, they are currently being 'presuaded' to talk.

ooc:Its all part of a royal bluff. Intel. says that supplies were drooped into koppersbergian lines around the time your C-130's were around the area. besides, they are currently being 'presuaded' to talk.

Offical Release:

This is F*UCKING redicilous shouts the King,

Tell them they got 48 hours to ask the pilots as many questions as they want (not saying they are going to talk) but in 48 hours they better be back in the air! Heading back to Cameroon

-telegram to all Coalition forces in the swiss war-
It appears that RevertRomance is aiding koppersbergs. I suggest Military action. With or without you, i believe that military action is necessary. Supplying the enemy is an act of war.

Offical Release:

This is F*UCKING redicilous shouts the King,

Tell them they got 48 hours to ask the pilots as many questions as they want (not saying they are going to talk) but in 48 hours they better be back in the air! Heading back to Cameroon
-telegram to RevertRomance-
Or what? I laugh at your pathetic nations big talk. You couldn't touch me.

-Lord Vineyard II

-telegram to RevertRomance-
Or what? I laugh at your pathetic nations big talk. You couldn't touch me.

-Lord Vineyard II

Im simply asking you release my nations aircraft. They are International Aid Craft mind you, they have roots in S.H.I.T

Im simply asking you release my nations aircraft. They are International Aid Craft mind you, they have roots in S.H.I.T
That's why they were shot at. Riiiiiiight.
-Lord Vineyard II

That's why they were shot at. Riiiiiiight.
-Lord Vineyard II

You heard Kopperbargs Press Release, they were misfires in the chaotic skies.

Outside Tel-Aviv

Now that stage one was completed, the Defense Forces' Chief of General Staff was eliminated, and probably many others with him, and the Israeli Army were in lack of a qualified leader, the time was come for stage two.

"Task Force Bayblade, start your mission!" The five amphibious battle groups got their orders to start. 200 Apache AH-64 lifted from the Wasp II-class and San Antonio-class Amphibious Assault ships, the LCAC's began to transport troops, tanks, trucks, M198 guns, Bradleys and Humwees. The AAAV's began to land, and continue forward. Assisted by heavy bombings by both B-52's and Gripens they advanced forward rather fast. One of their most important tasks is to secure the Dov Hoz airport just outside Tel-Aviv.

Secret IC; To Kopperbargs:

I would the current numbers on your and vineyards milatary forces. I fear that loon will have me dragged into this war and i wish to join your alliance

But first i need numbers and info

-Telegram to Koppersbergs-
We are obtaining information from them. Fortunately, the C-130's managed to make it to Zagreb and have been taken to one of our many Mountain facilities. Unfortunately for the Pilots, we have found their mission orders in their plane. Apparently they were to drop your troops supplies. Currently the pilots arn't talking, but we feel that with... certain procedures... they will be talking soon. Please explain to us why you knew they were in our custody. We picked up a transmission that they sent off while we were escorting them to Zagreb, but we havn't been able to decypher it.
No, we don't know anything about a radio transmission. We haven't received anything from them, neither aid, nor radio transmissions.
We saw their official statement about their planes... (OOC: see post #2680)

Åke Stålhandske, Secretary of Foreign Affairs
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

Im simply asking you release my nations aircraft. They are International Aid Craft mind you, they have roots in S.H.I.T

RIA Officals in Germany sent a message to Vineyard:

"RevertRomance is right! His Aircraft have roots covered in S.H.I.T.!"

:)

RIA Officals in Germany sent a message to Vineyard:

"RevertRomance is right! His Aircraft have roots covered in S.H.I.T.!"

:)

OOC: LOL, i cant tell your making fun of me or not :p

ooc: My god! I forgot i was invading botswana! Lol! i got too much on my mind...

ic: --Zagreb news-- The botswanian military has surrendered todya after being surrounded and beseiged. Their troops were holed up in Gaborone. The troops, all famished looking, grabbed at any food they were given when they were taked into custody. The troops were then striped of their weapons and sent home. Botswana is now under the control of Vineyard. the country was taken without firing a shot! (i had conquered Francis town earlier.)

Secret IC to RevertRomance

You're welcome to join us. However, we're not a part of any military alliance as our government has stated that we should be neutral. An exception from this has been done by me (I'm the King!) as we're allied to Doomingsland.
I don't have exact numbers of Vineyard's military forces. Our intelligence service has had their ass full with other tasks. I know that his population is just under 500 million though.

Kopparbergs' population is around 930 million. We have 1% of our people in the military service, with another 2% in the reserve – which we have called up now. That makes a total of around 27.9 million troops – including logistics.

Doomingsland's population is around 1.4 billion, but I cannot answer for other figures of him.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

EDIT: Screwed up my troops. 3% of 930 million is NOT 3.7 million troops...

OOC: LOL, i cant tell your making fun of me or not :p

OOC: My intelligence officals get board when there's not a nuclear war going on, ;).

Secret IC to RevertRomance

You're welcome to join us. However, we're not a part of any military alliance as our government has stated that we should be neutral. An exception from this has been done by me (I'm the King!) as we're allied to Doomingsland.
I don't have exact numbers of Vineyard's military forces. Our intelligence service has had their ass full with other tasks. I know that his population is just under 500 million though.

Kopparbergs' population is around 930 million. We have 1% of our people in the military service, with another 2% in the reserve – which we have called up now. That makes a total of around 3.7 million troops – including logistics.

Doomingsland's population is around 1.4 billion, but I cannot answer for other figures of him.

King Carl Oscar V
Kingdom of Kopparbergs

ooc:You forgot to stack up my alliance's numbers against yours! Then he would see that you are outnumbered 2 to 1!

You forgot to stack up my alliance's numbers against yours! Then he would see that you are outnumbered 2 to 1!

How you intercepting our Secret ICs: just like my planes you magically found the desert at night.

Im waiting for their return and your running out of time, we hope we can resvole this misunderstanding peacfully

You forgot to stack up my alliance's numbers against yours! Then he would see that you are outnumbered 2 to 1!
OOC:Huge armies make for crappy training.

Secret IC; To Kopperbargs:

I would the current numbers on your and vineyards milatary forces. I fear that loon will have me dragged into this war and i wish to join your alliance

But first i need numbers and info

OOC:

A word of warning. If you join the Kopparbergs / Doomingsland / Wirraway alliance, you risk your North American holdings.

(eyes North and South Carolina). ;)

Just letting you know what could happen if and when the war actually takes off. This is in no way IC, as I'm just commenting OOC'ly.

How you intercepting our Secret ICs: just like my planes you magically found the desert at night.
OOC: I think it was an OOC-comment, but he forgot to put the three characters first in the post...

I screwed up the number of my troops in my last post. 3% of 930 million is 27.9 million troops - nothing else...

OOC:

A word of warning. If you join the Kopparbergs / Doomingsland / Wirraway alliance, you risk your North American holdings.

(eyes North and South Carolina). ;)

Just letting you know what could happen if and when the war actually takes off. This is in no way IC, as I'm just commenting OOC'ly.
OOC:If you do that, you also risk losing your North American holdings.

Just letting you know what could happen...

OOC:If you do that, you also risk losing your North American holdings.

Just letting you know what could happen...

And besides I have south Carolina, i think?.......

I RPed it over 2 weeks ago and it still isn't on the map!!!!

And besides I have south Carolina, i think?.......

I RPed it over 2 weeks ago and it still isn't on the map!!!!
OOC: It is now. :D

And I think that the comment Doomingsland made about NorthAmerica was ment for Sharina...

How you intercepting our Secret ICs: just like my planes you magically found the desert at night.

Im waiting for their return and your running out of time, we hope we can resvole this misunderstanding peacfully
C-130's make a huge blip on the radar. the question is, How CAN we miss them? Also, we refuse to return your pilots to you. I believe that you're running out of time. Deny koppersbergs any aid and allow observers to go to all of your airbases to see if any planes take off for koppersbergs. If you do not comply, you may find yourself on the wrong side of a war.

OOC:Huge armies make for crappy training.
The battle feild is the only real training for a soldier. You should know that. there is only so much you can learn from a painted target. Thats why i've been running around with my armies.

C-130's make a huge blip on the radar. the question is, How CAN we miss them? Also, we refuse to return your pilots to you. I believe that you're running out of time. Deny koppersbergs any aid and allow observers to go to all of your airbases to see if any planes take off for koppersbergs. If you do not comply, you may find yourself on the wrong side of a war.

LOL you not touching my airfields, you got another enemy in these world war

Revertromance renounces it's neutrality and joins Kopperbargs forces

ALL forces are moved to defcon 2 and at full alert

The Navy is getting ready for full deployment, and possible nuclear assets are being readied.

LOL you not touching my airfields, you got another enemy in these world war

Revertromance renounces it's neutrality and joins Kopperbargs forces

ALL forces are moved to defcon 2 and at full alert

The Navy is getting ready for full deployment, and possible nuclear assets are being readied.
ooc: Lol, all i wanted were observers to make sure you don't aid him. Since you seem set to aid him, we shall have war. Do notice thoyugh, that i have not declared war on koppersbergs, as i respect him. He has 48 hours to answer my message.

-TO KOPPERSBERGS- Apparently RevertRomance has declared war on me. In order to focus on this mishapp, i will not aid the Isralis in any form again. I will aslo accept your conquest of Israel. Do notice, however that i will build trenches and Bunkers on my side of the Jordinian border due to your alliance with Doomingsland. This event is unfortunate.

-TO TENEBRICOSIS- RevertRomance has foolishly declared war on me. Lets crush him.

OOC: This is just to wrap some stuff up that has been left hanging since the Tech debate and WW III issue heated up.

Secret, Encrypted Communique'

To: Lord Vineyard II

Dear Sir:

I send my condolences at the loss of your father. We disagreed on many things, but he was no fool and I know he did what he thought best for your people. We appreciate the efforts of your man in Tehran who apparently gave his life attempting to save our queen. Thanks to the graces of Whittier, she has now returned safely to Sidney.

When we learned the details of what had taken place with some of our Royal Guardsmen, we found that a "black ops." corp had been operating in the Christmas Islands, completely unbeknownst to us and well outside military protocols for this nation. We have since arrested and are holding in custody, General Sun, former commander of our Christmas Island contingent of troops as well as some 30 underlings of his, including some physicians who had used various, experimental psychotropic and hypnotic drugs on our men that were unfortunately sent to Tehran. Apparently, General Sun sought to kill our Queen and Lord Vineyard and spark a war between our nations and enable himself to stage a coup here in Australia. Thanks to the failure of his plan in Tehran, this plan has been thwarted. We do not know if our men in Tehran are currently being held by you or Whittier, but we would ask that they be returned to us as they were scapegoats and patsys for General Sun and his team and are not fully responsible for their actions.

On the other hand, because General Sun is the mastermind behind what happened there, and is the person who effectively pulled the trigger on your father, we are willing to turn him and his team members over to you and/or Whittier for trial, execution, whatever. We will provide them with no defense and they have been stripped of their citizenship in Mauiwowee, declared enemies of the people and are awaiting deportation to anywhere that will take them. We feel strongly you should be the one that does take them in, to do with as you please. They are traitors to the world, not just Mauiwowee.

In the meantime, we hope that maybe, a new understanding between our two nations can be reached so that nothing like this ever happens again.

Sincerely,
His Royal Highness,
King 'Lude Valeeum Narcosis, II

OOC:If you do that, you also risk losing your North American holdings.

Just letting you know what could happen...

Very, very doubtful.

I have far more resources to build war material than you, as I control the whole Rocky Mountains, Alaska's rich oil fields, Mexico's oil fields, and the large metal deposits in Canada.

Lets see what you have... Italy and the Sahara Desert in Africa. Not exactly as metal-resource rich as my holdings.


Advantanges for me:

1. Home field defense.
2. Much shorter supply lines.
3. Massive quantities of resources.
4. The Veris-Wall.
5. Underground vital structures, including nuclear power plants, bunkers, factories, etc.
6. Norleans borders most of my eastern border in North America. You risk going to war with him if you cross his land to attack me.
7. Your only vital landing areas would be Mexico and Latin America.

Disadvantanges for me:

1. You have 450 mil more people than me
2. You go on the offensive.


Whats worse, you will be tied up helping Wirraway in Europe aganist Celack, Jonothana, USSNA, Vineyard, and IDF. You wouldn't be able to commit full or even half strength aganist North America, or risk Wirraway being defeated.

You will have to grind your way up from Mexico to the USA holdings, then into Canada. By then millions of your men would be dead or wounded, and you'd be weakened. My allies then can finish you off in Europe.

Then you'd have to put down riots of 700 - 900 million people across my vast territory nearly 3x, 4x, 5x of what you own / control. You'd give up because your military would be sucked dry, leaving you open for conquest from other nations. You'd spend so much money, food, material, men, etc. trying to subjugate me and my territory, it would ruin you in Earth V.

Simple logistics, logic, and economics.


In short, two things.

#1: Choice:

1. Fight me in North America, lose many, many, many men, in the millions. Your allies in Europe suffer from little help from you. Wirraway and Kopparbergs falls to USSNA, Jonothana, Celack, Vineyard, and IDF. Then they come for you, and help liberate me from you.

2. Forget fighting me in North America, devote your full strength to helping your allies, and your side might "hold the line" in Europe. The war ends in a stalemate in Europe, Your nation stays intact.



#2: I don't have to worry about war in Europe, and I'm able to devote a lot more in North America theater of operations because of proxmity to my holdings, and not having any land under threat in Africa or Europe (because I don't have any!).

Even if you try to go the other way around, it'll be a horrific trip of traveling from the Mediterrean, then down along Africa, then either go around South America, or go through the Indian and Pacific Oceans.

This would suck resources very fast as you'd be very hard pressed to attack my Western coast because of FOAM help, and FOAM can sink your supply ships or take down supply aircraft.


In short, taking me on could very well cost you victory in your war.

OOC:Lol, I was being theoretical, I already knew invading NA would screw me up. Sedondly, IDF isn't in Earth V, he gave up his claims.

OOC: This is just to wrap some stuff up that has been left hanging since the Tech debate and WW III issue heated up.

Secret, Encrypted Communique'

To: Lord Vineyard II

Dear Sir:

I send my condolences at the loss of your father. We disagreed on many things, but he was no fool and I know he did what he thought best for your people. We appreciate the efforts of your man in Tehran who apparently gave his life attempting to save our queen. Thanks to the graces of Whittier, she has now returned safely to Sidney.

When we learned the details of what had taken place with some of our Royal Guardsmen, we found that a "black ops." corp had been operating in the Christmas Islands, completely unbeknownst to us and well outside military protocols for this nation. We have since arrested and are holding in custody, General Sun, former commander of our Christmas Island contingent of troops as well as some 30 underlings of his, including some physicians who had used various, experimental psychotropic and hypnotic drugs on our men that were unfortunately sent to Tehran. Apparently, General Sun sought to kill our Queen and Lord Vineyard and spark a war between our nations and enable himself to stage a coup here in Australia. Thanks to the failure of his plan in Tehran, this plan has been thwarted. We do not know if our men in Tehran are currently being held by you or Whittier, but we would ask that they be returned to us as they were scapegoats and patsys for General Sun and his team and are not fully responsible for their actions.

On the other hand, because General Sun is the mastermind behind what happened there, and is the person who effectively pulled the trigger on your father, we are willing to turn him and his team members over to you and/or Whittier for trial, execution, whatever. We will provide them with no defense and they have been stripped of their citizenship in Mauiwowee, declared enemies of the people and are awaiting deportation to anywhere that will take them. We feel strongly you should be the one that does take them in, to do with as you please. They are traitors to the world, not just Mauiwowee.

In the meantime, we hope that maybe, a new understanding between our two nations can be reached so that nothing like this ever happens again.

Sincerely,
His Royal Highness,
King 'Lude Valeeum Narcosis, II
-telegram to King 'Lude-
We will take and hold the assasins for trial. Thankyou.
-Lord Ryan Vineyard II

OOC:Lol, I was being theoretical, I already knew invading NA would screw me up. Sedondly, IDF isn't in Earth V, he gave up his claims.
I am willing to give him Hersogovnia in my territory (mainland).

-Or-

He can also take Albania, i believe that Salusa Secondus no longer exists.

"Welcome to Mauratian news. I am Carl Edwards. Today, our esteemed government, that of Mauratius and Reunion Island, has found information that may very well turn our world upside down. The government of the Seychelles islands, our nearby neighbor, has been developing weapons that could very well strike us soon. For details of this, we turn to Professor Govin Anand. Mr. Anand, welcome. We would like to ask you about these weapons found."

"Well sir, these weapons are missles that seem to have been made for the sole purpose of attacking us."

"And what has our ogvernemnt done about it?"

"And Ultimatum has been sent. Cease building these weapons or suffer the consequences."

I am willing to give him Hersogovnia in my territory (mainland).

-Or-

He can also take Albania, i believe that Salusa Secondus no longer exists.
OOC:He's not allowed to have land in any other earth besides Earth II because of some rule.

Secret IC: to kopperbargs

If you can sucure an runway we could land an huge amount of supplies for use by your army, we will try and get 120 C-130s into the air in an massive supply effort.

However these time we will require an runway sucured and it will be escorted so dont freak out when milatary fighters land as well.

-telegram to King 'Lude-
We will take and hold the assasins for trial. Thankyou.
-Lord Ryan Vineyard II


"You heard the man, get the fuck up and get out on that plane, you're going on a trip!" said the MP.

"You don't talk to me that way son" said General Sun "I've been in the military longer than you've been alive."

"Oh yeah, then why am I giving orders while you sit there in cuff? You're not in the army any more, you're a fucking traitor, a worthless piece of human shit. I can only hope Vineyard televises your execution. Trying to kill the queen, start a war - you're nothing, now get up dammit!"

With much pushing and prodding and the occasional whack upside the head, the General and his men were loaded onto the small transport plane which took off for Vineyard to deliver it's cargo of evil - evil hopefully soon to be done away with at the hands of Vineyard.

::: Communique' to Whittier and Tenebricosis :::

Dear Sirs:

We have determined who was behind the assasinations and attempted assasinations in Tehran and we have turned the culprits over to Vineyard. Our men who were involved were not fully aware of what they were doing at the time as they were under the influence of "brainwashing" techniques re-inforced by the use of experimental hypnotic and psychotropic drugs. They were, in short, patsies and scapegoats for the responsible parties that have now been turned over to Vineyard. We apologize for the loss of your men that were killed in Tehran at the hands of these people though and we would like to offer the sum of $50 Million to the families of each and everyone of your people that were killed by Robert and his team. Again, though, please understand, it was not their fault and we would like to request that these men be returned to Mauiwowee to be dealt with here. As noted the truly responsible parties have been turned over to Vineyard.

Sincerely,
His Royal Highness,
King 'Lude Valeeum Narcosis, II

P.S. Whittier, we appreciate your efforts ensure the safety of queen Harriet and your ability to securely return her to us.

Secret IC: to kopperbargs

If you can sucure an runway we could land an huge amount of supplies for use by your army, we will try and get 120 C-130s into the air in an massive supply effort.

However these time we will require an runway sucured and it will be escorted so dont freak out when milatary fighters land as well.
ooc: What kind of fighter may i ask? I need spcifics, not just "Fighter plane."

ooc: What kind of fighter may i ask? I need spcifice not just "Fighter plane"

again, this is secret so i dont know what diffrence its going to make, the F-35D.
And may i ask what kind of fighter are you going ot magical send to intercept me

OOC: Sorry i've been kinda inactive lately but i'm still here.

IC:
JKD News---
JeetKuneDo announced that we do not want a part in the upcomming war and will stay neutral. However the east Indian Ocean and southwestern Pacific will be closed off to anyone but allies. Seems pretty pointless to me as I doubt anyone would need to go through there.

In other news, the Bhudhist monk that went to attend the leader of Vineyard's funeral has returned to our nation. The news he brings us could result in increased tourism between our two countries...

Stay tuned for Hirota where Hirota will be interviewing this monk.

President Rand Veristek read the latest communications, intelligence reports, and international news in his office, while having his customary lunch. He suddenly choked and sputtered on his tea as he read a report on RevertRomance's declaration that it was siding with Doomingsland, Wirraway, and Kopparbergs.

WHAT THE HELL?

What's to stop RevertRomance from allowing Wirrawayan and Doomingslandian forces from amassing in South Carolina, then use South Carolina as a base of operations aganist Sharina in North America?

This is fucking unacceptable! This must be stopped at once!

Rand called in his military and diplomacy advisors in an angry voice.

"Send my Military advisor and Diplomacy Advisor in here, and I want them here yesterday!"

A response wafted up from the audio-speaker near Rand's maghony desk.

"Bowser Koopa is at home with the afternoon off, while your daughter, Kalista, is in a panel meeting, discussing the upcoming TAG pact."

Rand growled slightly, then began admonishing the unseen speaker like a parent to a child.

"I. Want. Boswer. And. Kalista. Here. Now."

The voice spoke quickly, afraid to increase Rand's ire even further.

"At once, sir!"

Rand settled in his seat, steaming after the surprise declaration of RevertRomance which threatened to tear apart North America. Rand tried to engage in meditation while waiting for Bowser and Kalista to arrive. Finally, Rand calmed down enough after thirty minutes, just in time as the doors to his office opened suddenly, revealing two disaportionately different figures. A tall, slender woman, with long brown hair stepped forward, right ahead of a massive lizard with a scaly hide.

The woman spoke in a friendly voice.

"Father, I am here. What is the problem?"

Rand nodded once, then motioned towards a seat. He turned his head towards the towering lizard and smiled.

"Bowser, have a seat."

The lizard rumbled affirmation, and small vibrations could be heard as his feet made contact with the ground. He finally reached a special chair custom made for him several meters from Rand's desk.

Rand nodded once again as his two advisors settled into their seats. He began speaking slowly, as if he was still in a dream state.

"Kalista and Bowser, we have a serious problem.

RevertRomance has declared their intention to support the enemy. They offered to aid Kopparbergs, which is unfortunately an ally of our true enemies, Wirraway and Doomingsland."

Kalista gasped, while Bowser hissed through his teeth. Bowser took a long drawn out breath before speaking.

"Rand, this can only mean one thing. Wirraway and Doomingsland would most likely use RevertRomance, or RR, territory in South Carolina as a base of operations aganist Sharina, Norleans, and Fodmodmatol."

Rand nodded solemnly.

"Exactly what I was thinking."

Kalista shook her head, as she swallowed. She began speaking directly towards Bowser.

"Perhaps this isn't as bad as it seems. RR may not provide base of operations in North America, like the deals we made with Kopparbergs regarding South America. Perhaps we could convince RR to deny access to our enemies."

Bowser snorted, a deep and unpleasant sound coming out from his large nose and sinuses.

"That's all well and good, but should RR renege on the deal, or allow covert secret operations. This would cause considerable damage to Sharina, should the loathsome Doomingslandians and Wirrawayans use special forces. We must not be caught with our pants down.

Strike first, eliminate that propsective threat!"

Kalista sighed, as Rand intervened quickly to prevent an arguement between the two advisors.

"Bowser, I was thinking the same thing. However, as Kalista has pointed out, we do have a secret deal with Kopparbergs and other nations in South America that there will be no war there.

I would support your diplomacy, Kalista, if Wirraway and Doomingsland were a lot weaker. However, these two nations have more population than us, and they can cause some damage.

If they were half as strong as they are now, then we wouldn't have to worry much about surprise or sneak attacks, should RevertRomance allow their forces to be based in South Carolina.

Perhaps we can activate the TAG, to put a quick end to this. Stability must not be threatened by two oppressive regimes."

Kalista nodded after a long pause.

"I understand, father. I realize that diplomacy is not enough to avert warfare, should the enemy hate us or desire our defeat badly enough."

Rand began to calm down even further. He took in Kalista's gaze, and held it for several drawn out seconds before speaking.

"Kalista, please see to it that relations with Norleans and S.H.I.T. are maintained. Pre-emptive damage control, please. Dismissed, I will see you later tonight."

Kalista nodded as she stood up, before leaving in a hurry, not speaking a word.

Rand continued, now focusing his full attention onto Bowser.

"Now, what are our options for an pre-emptive attack aganist RevertRomance?"

Boswer began smiling, revealing his rows of sharp lizard teeth. He began speaking in a deep rumbling voice.

"We have considerable naval assets present in the Caribbean Sea. We have dozens of battleships and heavy cruisers available. In addition, we can allocate six aircraft carriers to the effort without significantly diminishing our gathering task forces for the offensive aganist Cuba."

Rand nodded.

"What about missiles? Artillery shells? Bombers?"

Bowser grinned once again.

"We do have several missile strike cruisers, the Sagittarians. They have two seperate missile systems, one for sea-to-land attack, and the other for anti-aircraft defense.

We can try using the Kongabac III's but I doubt we can fly over Norleans territory. We would have to fly them from Mexico, across the Gulf, then up towards South Carolina.

Alternatively, we could use UCAV's and the smaller yet quicker Tresha II quick-strike bombers."

Rand closed his eyes as he analyzed possible scenarios and possibilities. Bowser waited patiently, as he knew Rand was a tactical genius. Suddenly, Rand opened his eyes and began speaking quickly.

"We could engage in a blockade of RevertRomance at first, using our Poseidon Submarines. They will sink any Doomingsland, Wirrawayan, and non-allied shipping without question.

This goes aganist the S.H.I.T. charter, but Doomingsland and Wirraway is not in S.H.I.T. We will allow RevertRomance vessels to pass, only after intensive scanning by our aircraft for any war material or weapons.

This will prevent most Doomingslandian and Wirrawayan efforts to gain a preliminary and sneaky foothold in North America.

If they do manage to send in supplies, they will take much longer to build up any sizable strike force. This will give us enough time to build up our navy in the area, while fortifying our Mexican and Latin American holdings.

If necessary, we will hold off attack aganist Cuba until we deal with the foolish Wirrawayans and Doomingslandians."

Bowser nodded as Rand made each stage of his plan apparent.Bowser began speaking a few moments after Rand finished his strategizing.

"It will be done, sir."

Rand quickly responded, as a important thought occurred to him.

"Bring us to SharTac Level One. Prepare full deployment of troops, defenses, naval assets, air force, and the works. Prepare our SEP initative, as well as begin preparations for a large scale offensive.

Dismissed, Bowser. I want to see you tomorrow, same time. We must finalize the military readiness and strategy for the upcoming conflict."

Bowser bowed his head, and left Rand's office just as quickly as Kalista did fifteen minutes earlier.

Rand took a drink of his now cold tea, and began thinking about the future.

Sharina would go to war once again, yet this time, for its survival rather than acquiring territory or expanding its holdings.

The planes are being preped for the flight, the operation includes:

120 C-130s carried supplies and ammo
20 F-18 SuperHornets
70 F-35D

Over 210 aircraft are in this operation and will land on Cyprus

Go time is still unknown but will probally be done within the week (NS)

Even were these are coming from is unknown to anyone but the pilots

EDIT: and im going to keep this war AWAY from my assets (europe)
Im not allowing any milatary build up in my carribean assets but i will allow milatary bases to my allies in Cameroon

OOC:

Picture of Bowser, my Military Advisor:

http://www.nintendoland.com/graphics/tecknat/Bowser.JPG

Picture of Kalista Veristek, one of Rand's daughters, my Diplomacy Advisor:

http://www.celebstation.org/actresses/rachel_mcadams/Racquel_McAdams-002.jpg

Launch, the totally radom order was issued an within the hour all 210 aircraft were in the air. The flight was to go straight to Cyprus, land, and wait for further orders.

All fighters have the Hellfire MSD Dog-fight missle (it can hit people on your six, very effective) The intire squadron is flying at near sea level to advade radar

(10 RL minutes before these arrive in Cyprus which is 10 hours NS)

OOC: This is for informational purposes.

IC:

"General, I need to know our deployments" said the King

"Yes sire" replied General Jack T. Ripper "between the army, marines and navy, including their flyboys, we've got a little over a million people committed to S.E. China. Between all forces, Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines, we've got right at 750,000 in Brazil. Here in Australia, between all branches, we've got another 500,000 or so. The remaining 250,000 or so, primarily naval and airforce, with a few marines, are stationed on various of our island holdings, including some 15,000 in Halmahera while we secure it fully and the Hawaiian contingent of 50,000."

"Ok, that's about what I had estimated. What do you think of this upcoming "World War? It's not the one that SOB General Sun tried to start, but still, it bugs me."

"Well sire, we have assurances from Sharina and Kopparsberg that they will do their very best to make sure it doesn't spill into South America. Norleans has declared itself neutral and seems to be willing to deal with anyone for food and oil. RevertRomance declared itself neutral, but now there is some chatter about them having supplied Kopparsberg with stuff in the middle east and I don't know if but what they're going to get involved after all. I don't see though, how we have any interest in who controls the Suez Canal or Switzerland, which seem to be the major issues in this conflict. As long as Panama remains open for us to get stuff to Brazil with, we're OK it would seem. Warta Endor has said they are generally not going to get involved, they just went through a messy election and seem poised to finish securing Northern Indonesia and have declared their intent to only protect their holdings."

"Warta was always smart" said the king. Well that's what we're gonna do too. No official announcements though. We're just gonna stay quiet and finish our ongoing operations. However, I want alert status' upgraded for all forces, just in case. Not a full defcon alert, just a "ready orange" if you know what I mean. If they attack us or our territory, we'll certainly defend, but I want to stay out of this one for now. Recall all ships to their Pacific bases or Brazilan bases, except those in the Northern Indonesia area and those involved with the China operation. I don't want our guys in the middle of the ocean getting caught in a crossfire either. Doomingsland would love an excuse to kill more of our boys and I'm not going to give it to him."

"Understood sire, I'll get right on it."

"Oh, one more thing, as of now, all oil production in Brazil is designated for Mauiwowee purposes only. If we need to buy our way out of some contracts with S.H.I.T. partners, we'll do so - I guess we can continue to supply Warta here with some and South American countries under pipeline agreements, but all shipments delivered in any fashion other than direct pipeline from Brazil, come here. I want to secure us against any possible disruption of oil supply from the middle east that might come out of this war and make sure we have a stockpile in reserve. Have Governor Ahdams in Rio get on that and ensure he builds a reserve for himself as well. That's all."

Landing in Cyprus the force lands without seeing any action from enemy fighters

Over 200 planes are now within Kopperbargs area

This will now give us Revertromance an base to run air supiroty against Vineyard

To-RevertRomance Gov't
From-Doomingsland High Command

As you know, we share a common ally, Kopparbergs.
We wish to extend this alliance to include your nation
as well. We are also aware that you share a border
with Sharina. They are seen as very likely threats by
our intellegence anylists. If you would permit, we would
like to base a squadron of F78A fighters and several special
forces teams out of your nation to improve security.

The planes are being preped for the flight, the operation includes:

120 C-130s carried supplies and ammo
20 F-18 SuperHornets
70 F-35D

Over 210 aircraft are in this operation and will land on Cyprus

Go time is still unknown but will probally be done within the week (NS)

Even were these are coming from is unknown to anyone but the pilots

EDIT: and im going to keep this war AWAY from my assets (europe)
Im not allowing any milatary build up in my carribean assets but i will allow milatary bases to my allies in Cameroon

((OOC: When you got into the war you brought your whole contry into it.))

IC:

--Triple encoded message to Caribbean Fleet--

I want the Caribbean fleet to stop any and all ships comeing out of RevertRomance territory. Dont let a single ship through.

Gen. Razien

--End Message--

((OOC: This is the carribean fleet

Caribbean Fleet

Command Group (1) (21ships)
1 Hunter-Class BBCN
1 Blue Dragon-Class CVN
3 Frunze-Class BBN
1 Arrow-Class CBN
3 Admiral-Class CBN
2 Repulse-Class BCVN
3 Boar-Class CGN
7 Destroyers or less

Main Battle Group (3) (19ships)
1 Frunze-Class BBN
1 Repulse-Class BCVN
1 Arrow-Class CBN
2 Admiral-Class CBN
3 Tempest-Class CBN
2 Boar-Class CGN
9 Destroyers or less

Carrier Battle Group (1) (16 ships)
1 Blue Dragon-Class CVN
2 Repulse-Class BCVN
1 Arrow-Class CBN
1 Admiral-Class CBN
2 Tempest-Class CBN
2 Boar-Class CGN
7 Destroyers or less

Anti-Sub Group (1) (16 ships)
1 Arrow-Class CBN
2 Admiral-Class CBN
13 Destroyer or less

Supply Group (1) (40ships)
1 Arrow-Class BCN
3 Tempest-Class CBN
10 T-AOEs
5 T-AEs
1 T-AFS
5 T-AOs
1 AS
2 T-AKR
6 T-AK
5 T-AOT
1 T-ACS

Anti-Surface Submarine Group (2) (20ships)
7 Akula-III SSN
4 Sierra-III SSN
9 Oscar-II SSGN

SSBN Group (1) (15ships)
6 Akula-II SSN
2 Oscar-III SSGN
3 Typhoon-II SSBN
4 Delta-V SSBN))

IC: A small force of 5 B-2B Spirit-IIs (Just B-2s with updated equipment and enhanced stealth) has been sent to a friendly Vineyard airfield in southern Iraq.

To-RevertRomance Gov't
From-Doomingsland High Command

As you know, we share a common ally, Kopparbergs.
We wish to extend this alliance to include your nation
as well. We are also aware that you share a border
with Sharina. They are seen as very likely threats by
our intellegence anylists. If you would permit, we would
like to base a squadron of F78A fighters and several special
forces teams out of your nation to improve security.

We will have to deny your request to base units in my cairrbean nations but i will offer you an chance to use Cameroon as an base. Basically i cannot support an war at home and my only enemy is Vineyard, but we will accept your alliance in these war.

Considering im totally surrounded and about to be crushed (just guessing) if you are willing to pull INTIRE ARMIES into my terrotory than i will allow you to base ANYTHING in my nation

Okay im putting out my Navies full force DEFENSIVLY

I cannot allow myself to be surrounded by near an 100 ships, and i will only fire back if fired opon

Nation is moved to Defcon 1 and all army personal are alerted against possible invasion

The intire naval goes to the 12 mile national water/international water border and sets up for an defensive stand still.

All carriers are behind the main battle groups but crews are on full alert and ready to scramble

50 Kovoc Class Missle Battlecruisers
50 Hellsing BB
20 EM-125 Missle Corvette
20 Zimbalt Class Stealth Missle Cruiser
2 Bud Class II Class Missle Subs
5 Sea Bastard Class Missle attack Subs
8 Toyru Class BB

Are protecting my national water

No craft is going outside the 12 mile national water however

Adm. Herchuck sat in the command deck of his Falg ship, the Burning Desire (battleship) that was ancored off of the Suez canal. He was quitely sipping coffee reading paper (and all of the men on the ship were either gazing out the window, lounging around, swimming, or getting a tan on the deck) when the telegram operator ran into the room.
"Adm! RevertRomance has declared war on us! Lord Vineyard II has commanded us to crush Camroon with the naval marines and our ships!"
"Ah, good. i was wondering how long we would have to sit here!"
He punched a few bottons and a few short beeps were brodcasted to the outside and inside intercoms i8n every ship of the massive fleet. Men jumped up from their leasurly activities and put on their uniforma and went to general quarters to recieve orders. An hour alter after every ship was refuled, the masisve fleet set off for Camroon.

-In Zambia- 480 "Mule" gunships and 3,000 3,000 X-31 and X-36a planes landed on numerous airbases all across Zambia. They will possibly be used for air ventures against the enemy in Camaroon.

-In N. Iraq- 2,500 Typhoon Eurofighter ZH588 landed in airstrips there for possible attacks of Rev...(whatever) planes in the area.

Adm. Herchuck sat in the command deck of his Falg ship, the Burning Desire (battleship) that was ancored off of the Suez canal. He was quitely sipping coffee reading paper 9and all of the men on the ship were either gazing out the window, lounging around, swimming, or getting a tan on the deck) when the telegram operator ran into the room.
"Adm! RevertRomance has declared war on us! Lord Vineyard II has commanded us to crush Camroon with the naval marines and our ships!"
"Ah, good. i was wondering how long we would have to sit here!"
He punched a few bottons and a few short beeps were brodcasted to the outside and inside intercoms i8n every ship of the massive fleet. Men jumped up from their leasurly activities and put on their uniforma and went to general quarters to recieve orders. An hour alter after every ship was refuled, the masisve fleet set off for Camroon.

HMM, Cameroon and its whole 5,000 Infantry

Any help allies?

Reich News Network-BERLIN: Nobody knows how it happened, but somehow a picture of Ludo Hienkel (OOC: See "Characters Important to The Great Sixth Reich RP" link in my signature) with his head as a picture of an "eber" (German for "boar") appeared on the internet.

The orginal picture of the eber is shown below:

http://www.jok-design.de/rk/mytologie/sonst/eber.jpg

Jesusvania is moving an bulk number of Troops to Cameroon, ASAP but hes too damn slow with typing

Okay im putting out my Navies full force DEFENSIVLY

I cannot allow myself to be surrounded by near an 100 ships, and i will only fire back if fired opon

Nation is moved to Defcon 1 and all army personal are alerted against possible invasion

The intire naval goes to the 12 mile national water/international water border and sets up for an defensive stand still.

All carriers are behind the main battle groups but crews are on full alert and ready to scramble

50 Kovoc Class Missle Battlecruisers
50 Hellsing BB
20 EM-125 Missle Corvette
20 Zimbalt Class Stealth Missle Cruiser
2 Bud Class II Class Missle Subs
5 Sea Bastard Class Missle attack Subs
8 Toyru Class BB

Are protecting my national water

No craft is going outside the 12 mile national water however

((OOC: Ahem! But I have 165 combat ships near you. add in the 40 supply ships and you have a 205 ship force. Also, my fleet will only attack ships comeing out of your waters.))

And my fleet will only attack ships coming INTO my waters (enemy of course) so it seems we've got an standoff

"Goddamnit!" exclaimed Duke Long. "What the hell is RR thinking, renouncing their neutrality and siding with people against Sharina? They be the death of us all if they let those european bastards bring their conflict into the Gulf or North America. Shit! And the conference we got going on with minister LeStat at Blackwood Farm, what's going to happen there?" he thought to himself.

Picking up his phone he punched in a few numbers - "General Birmingham, I need you in my office right away. No, it can't wait just a little bit!" Punching the intercom, "Janet, I need to get minister LeStat on a private conference call, now!"

"Yes Sir" she replied - she knew her job, she knew it well, and she knew that when Duke Long said "now!" he meant last month.

::::::::: An hour passes :::::::::::::::

"General, good, you're here, have a seat, we've got a problem."

"Yes sir, what is it?"

"Revert Romance has renounced their neutrality and sided with Kopparsberg in the European war."

"Are you sure? Couldn' this be a mistake?"

"No doubt about it General, I need some ideas and I need them quick."

"Well, my first worry is their new territory in South Carolina, what if they let Doominglsand or Wirraway in there?"

"My thought exactly, I want to maintain our neutral stance though, if we attack them there at this time, we run the risk of getting dragged into this ourselves."

"I would suggest we bring our forces in Tennessee and Georgia to full alert and step up S.C. border patrols."

"Agreed, but I want to do more, I want an additional 50,000 men in each state assigned to the borders. RR is to be completely contained in S.C. No attacks or anything, but I want them monitored there like a hawk. I want naval and air patrols off the coast of S.C. as well, I want to know who is coming and who is going."

"Ok, gotcha. What about Sharina?" asked the General "and surely Fodmodmadtal and TAG need to do something here don't they?"

"Not sure TAG needs to do anything yet, but maybe, we'll see. I want to see how Fodmod reacts, I promise, I can tell you how President Veristek is going to react though and it won't be pretty."

:: buzz :: "Duke Long, I have Lestat on the secure line for you" said Janet.

"Good, put him through - Lestat, we've got a problem, how are things at the conference?"

"So far, ok" said foreign affairs minister Lestat DeLion, but we've barely even gotten started, whats the problem?"

"RevertRomance has rennounced their neutrality in the coming european war and sided with Kopparsberg."

"Oh hell!" said Lestat "What do you want me to do?"

"I need you to extract a promise from their delegate there that they will not permit any foreign troops, military advisors, any thing or any one like that in S.C. and furthermore, that any "aid" they send to any one in this war will go through their carribean holdings, and not directly out of S.C. I don't want Vineyard trying to bomb S.C. to stop shipments of stuff."

"I understand sire. Damn, what were they thinking - you know we've invited USSNA to this conference as well, this is going to be a mess."

"I want a daily report LeStat, OK?"

"will do sir, let me get back to the conference, I think VirginIncursion is about to make their opening remarks. I'll try to guage their feelings too. I don't think they would want war in the Carribean that would threaten their space elevator."

"OK, good man, I'll talk to you again tonight." :: hanging up phone and turning back to the General ::

"General, send an encrypted message to Sharina, we cannot allow them, due to our neutral status, to use their bases in Nebraska as a staging area in this matter. However, we recognize the possibility of a threat to their shipping and naval concerns in the Caribbean and Mexican waters and grant them permission to use our airspace if need be to provide supplies to their Caribbean and Mexican forces and ships. Oh, last thing, I want our forces in Aruba and the American Virgin Islands on full alert too."

"Got it sir, will do - Oh, by the way, just while I'm here, you need to know the special ops teams have made it into Gary and Terre Haute. All is going according to plan there for the time being."

"Thanks General, it seems maybe that is the only place." said Duke Long with a wry smile.

The Jesusvainian Military forces have been drafting over the last several months, military service is now compulsory. We have a combined military force of 8.5 million waiting to support RevertRomance where ever they might be needed.

The Jesusvainian Military forces have been drafting over the last several months, military service is now compulsory. We have a combined military force of 8.5 million waiting to support RevertRomance where ever they might be needed.

Dynimite!!!! I dont know aht to do with them though?

Doom

I have over 30 Nimitz Carriers from Jesusvania and im moving 20 of them into an carrier fleet (he has the F-14D on them) Im putting all 60 of his Hellsing Class Battleships (he's an RL friend so he has the plans for these aswell) into an battle group aimed towards the Carribean

We need to link up so that we can break through the blockade

Awaiting your response

The Jesusvainian Military forces have been drafting over the last several months, military service is now compulsory. We have a combined military force of 8.5 million waiting to support RevertRomance where ever they might be needed.

8.5 million troops for a 215 million nation?

That's about 4% military deployment, which is nearing borderline of sustained military economy.

Keep in mind, you'd need to use logistics personnel INCLUDED in the 8.5 million troops, otherwise your army won't function with no food, no water, no ammo, no fuel, etc.

8.5 million troops for a 215 million nation?

That's about 4% military deployment, which is nearing borderline of sustained military economy.

Keep in mind, you'd need to use logistics personnel INCLUDED in the 8.5 million troops, otherwise your army won't function with no food, no water, no ammo, no fuel, etc.

He knows his Ground Forces come out to like 2.5M and over another 2 M to the Logisitcs

OOC:

60% of my entire navy is now deployed in the Caribbean Sea as they were preparing for an attack on Cuba before this whole World War happened. I have hinted on several occassions earlier about a possible attack on Cuba.

The other 10% is patrolling the Pacific and 30% are still in the process of securing the Arctic Sea around Nunavut and its dozens of islands and isles.

I don't know how to make up credible naval deployments. What I mean by that is that I know what a cruiser, battleship, aircraft carrier, etc. do, but not sure how to put them together into groups or task forces.

I just say I send some battleships, carriers, submarines, etc. to make it clear for RP purposes, but vague enough to work around with during actual battle.

He knows his Ground Forces come out to like 2.5M and over another 2 M to the Logisitcs

((LOL this guys claims to have 30 nimitz class aircraft carriers. I laugh at this. Can you immagine the operational cost of maintaining 30 of them. This guy is number wanking up the wazu. RR you are number wanking also with having 50 BBs. I am going to as a mod to investigate.))

Hmmm.........i might just drop out of the war and go deffensively
(basically back to neutral)

I never had the desire to fight an war, but i did have an disire to supply my ally Kopperbargs

All milatary personal are droping to Defcon 2 (defensive but not down)
The only way i can see sending my troops into an battle is through an attack on my assets

"Peacetalks" might be neogiatiable in the S.H.I.T confrence

(still underway i believe)