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I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out of this RP.

With TL-191 around the corner, and the Star Wars thing beginning to heat up, I had to drop one of my ongoing RPs to fully focus my attention on the others. I hadn't been really doing that much here, so it got the axe.

Smell you later. ;)

Kopp: I have Togo, I believe...it's been on all the previous maps.
In fact, I claimed Togo, yet West Pacific never put it in my claims. My claim post was the 2nd post of this thread, you can see for yourself.
OK, I've added it to the map!

I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out of this RP.

With TL-191 around the corner, and the Star Wars thing beginning to heat up, I had to drop one of my ongoing RPs to fully focus my attention on the others. I hadn't been really doing that much here, so it got the axe.

Smell you later. ;)

Reflecting on what I said earlier.......it has begun.

I'm in the 191 thing too, but I have too much free time on my hands anyway, so whatever. This leaves the UK open...

A lot of countries have gone rather inactive. Namely, the one in Central America, Psychotika, Gauthic, and then a few nations that opted to claim Mexico or something like that, but never really got in..........is this how SYAE fell apart last time?

RPs only die if your let them die - and at times it seems sensible to do so, especially if you're the only one holding the reins. That said, this is not dying so to speak because of two principal reasons:

(1) - WP is still around and active as the lead moderator of this RP;
(2) - there are still eager RPers to join up with him.

If you do not have any of the said two, you don't have an RP. As to why people don't want to show up, that their own reason, and I don't want to have much to talk about that, because sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's just cowardly. I've perhaps done all three, but if you haven't noticed, I've put up a lot of work into this, and I'll probably be the last person to leave this RP.

But that said, there are still things to talk about: Notably, the big nuclear explosions in Russian cities, and the subsequent reaction to said explosion. And there are many things that you can make out of this - Wagdog is trying to stage a global Red coup in the Pacific, and I have yet to see any reaction from the CSA (no fault of his own, he's had no time to do so). And there are plenty of things that you can do. Make a war! People might support you, people might not. If you're afraid of starting a war and losing, welcome to the club! Not everyone wins a war, and if everyone had the anticipated fear of starting a war over trifles of land, then you'd just have to ask yourself whether doing the right kind of simulation. Of course, there's not only the war route - I've personally been trying to emphasis the whole development of the state: military, political, economic, and social. So far, the majority of NS ignores the latter three (no - storefronts do not count towards your friendly economic development...), and the only place that I can find to cultivate this sort of stuff is in realistic RPs, where people cannot simply ignore their economic development, as well as political and social advances in order to build a strong country.

This isn't an invitation to people - either to stay, leave, or join. This is more a justification for the RP itself, and why in some part people join these things. It's not because you can conquer the world (although that is an option...); it's not because your future country will have something to reflect on its history before it conquers the world; it's not so you can have land and power to start bullying smaller countries, which in general NS interactions would put in the position of the smaller country; it's not even to change history to make things your way. It's an opportunity to understand the complexity of the state, and how so much of the world governments have to interact in order to sustain their growth - from small countries to large countries. In some part, this is educational, because you learn more about weird small countries of which you had never heard before; it also cultivates cultural understanding - because there are different people here, and sometimes the interactions on the world scene force you at least to listen to what the other guy has to say.

Of course, it's my justification - I'm not certain if people share my perceptions, but at least, this will give people something to think about before they leave, join, or stay.

That said, if you're just bored, there's always something to do.


>>> I am almost done with my airforce stats, so I will soon be able to post my Agency for Imperial Contracts Consortium (not exactly a storefront)!

RPs only die if your let them die - and at times it seems sensible to do so, especially if you're the only one holding the reins. That said, this is not dying so to speak because of two principal reasons:

(1) - WP is still around and active as the lead moderator of this RP;
(2) - there are still eager RPers to join up with him.

If you do not have any of the said two, you don't have an RP. As to why people don't want to show up, that their own reason, and I don't want to have much to talk about that, because sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's just cowardly. I've perhaps done all three, but if you haven't noticed, I've put up a lot of work into this, and I'll probably be the last person to leave this RP.

But that said, there are still things to talk about: Notably, the big nuclear explosions in Russian cities, and the subsequent reaction to said explosion. And there are many things that you can make out of this - Wagdog is trying to stage a global Red coup in the Pacific, and I have yet to see any reaction from the CSA (no fault of his own, he's had no time to do so). And there are plenty of things that you can do. Make a war! People might support you, people might not. If you're afraid of starting a war and losing, welcome to the club! Not everyone wins a war, and if everyone had the anticipated fear of starting a war over trifles of land, then you'd just have to ask yourself whether doing the right kind of simulation. Of course, there's not only the war route - I've personally been trying to emphasis the whole development of the state: military, political, economic, and social. So far, the majority of NS ignores the latter three (no - storefronts do not count towards your friendly economic development...), and the only place that I can find to cultivate this sort of stuff is in realistic RPs, where people cannot simply ignore their economic development, as well as political and social advances in order to build a strong country.

This isn't an invitation to people - either to stay, leave, or join. This is more a justification for the RP itself, and why in some part people join these things. It's not because you can conquer the world (although that is an option...); it's not because your future country will have something to reflect on its history before it conquers the world; it's not so you can have land and power to start bullying smaller countries, which in general NS interactions would put in the position of the smaller country; it's not even to change history to make things your way. It's an opportunity to understand the complexity of the state, and how so much of the world governments have to interact in order to sustain their growth - from small countries to large countries. In some part, this is educational, because you learn more about weird small countries of which you had never heard before; it also cultivates cultural understanding - because there are different people here, and sometimes the interactions on the world scene force you at least to listen to what the other guy has to say.

Of course, it's my justification - I'm not certain if people share my perceptions, but at least, this will give people something to think about before they leave, join, or stay.

That said, if you're just bored, there's always something to do.

Well said :D

RPs only die if your let them die - and at times it seems sensible to do so, especially if you're the only one holding the reins. That said, this is not dying so to speak because of two principal reasons:

(1) - WP is still around and active as the lead moderator of this RP;
(2) - there are still eager RPers to join up with him.

If you do not have any of the said two, you don't have an RP. As to why people don't want to show up, that their own reason, and I don't want to have much to talk about that, because sometimes it's legit, sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's just cowardly. I've perhaps done all three, but if you haven't noticed, I've put up a lot of work into this, and I'll probably be the last person to leave this RP.

But that said, there are still things to talk about: Notably, the big nuclear explosions in Russian cities, and the subsequent reaction to said explosion. And there are many things that you can make out of this - Wagdog is trying to stage a global Red coup in the Pacific, and I have yet to see any reaction from the CSA (no fault of his own, he's had no time to do so). And there are plenty of things that you can do. Make a war! People might support you, people might not. If you're afraid of starting a war and losing, welcome to the club! Not everyone wins a war, and if everyone had the anticipated fear of starting a war over trifles of land, then you'd just have to ask yourself whether doing the right kind of simulation. Of course, there's not only the war route - I've personally been trying to emphasis the whole development of the state: military, political, economic, and social. So far, the majority of NS ignores the latter three (no - storefronts do not count towards your friendly economic development...), and the only place that I can find to cultivate this sort of stuff is in realistic RPs, where people cannot simply ignore their economic development, as well as political and social advances in order to build a strong country.

This isn't an invitation to people - either to stay, leave, or join. This is more a justification for the RP itself, and why in some part people join these things. It's not because you can conquer the world (although that is an option...); it's not because your future country will have something to reflect on its history before it conquers the world; it's not so you can have land and power to start bullying smaller countries, which in general NS interactions would put in the position of the smaller country; it's not even to change history to make things your way. It's an opportunity to understand the complexity of the state, and how so much of the world governments have to interact in order to sustain their growth - from small countries to large countries. In some part, this is educational, because you learn more about weird small countries of which you had never heard before; it also cultivates cultural understanding - because there are different people here, and sometimes the interactions on the world scene force you at least to listen to what the other guy has to say.

Of course, it's my justification - I'm not certain if people share my perceptions, but at least, this will give people something to think about before they leave, join, or stay.

That said, if you're just bored, there's always something to do.
I share those perceptions, for one; and I'm staying however my background gets sorted out eventually. I might be staging my little revolt right away with seized stuff in Indonesia and Guam, as negotiated between me and Carloginias (still a few details to work out regarding whether I keep six B52s and let the other bombers go, or keep 2 B-2s since I want a workable "unit" of whatever I keep and let the six BUFFs and six Bones go...) to whatever agreed order of battle.
Or, completely alternately, I might have staged my revolt back in '65 when Sukarno got betrayed by the Indonesian Communists, whom I aided against both Sukarno and Gen. Suharto's reactionaries to take control of Indonesia for myself; adding the other territories I claimed gradually through support of local Red insurgents over the decades, and acquiring the appropriate reputation for this abroad in spite of my more democratic institutions than most other leftist states. I slightly prefer this option now, since it only assumes the Cold War still happened in some shape (am I right, Candistan?) and I could thus use that to deter CRA or other intervention against me.
Either alternative is fine by me, everyone. I just want to work out first which history for Wagdog works best for SYAE, that way I don't end up 'modding or such. I can't stand 'moddery, and will make what adaptations I must to avoid it; even if I have a detailed "ideal" background for my country like everyone else I'm sure.
Also, while I'm on the topic, are limited fantasy elements permissible; such as fantasy ethnic groups existing in your country but not using any more magic than needed to exist in the first place? If so, have small (1-5% each) populations of Tolkien Elves, Vampires and Weremen to add to (and overlap with, in the Vampires' and Were's cases) my real-world ethnic makeup; the result of bizarre happenings in my land during whatever period should correspond to Wagdog's deletion and subsequent resurrection in broader NationStates terms (the '70s maybe?:D). I keep my RP nations as close to my game nation as possible under each Earth's rules, incorporating regional affiliatons (West Pacific at first, then Lazarus after resurrecting) and even my two-year absence from the game into my history if I can somehow...

I share those perceptions, for one; and I'm staying however my background gets sorted out eventually. I might be staging my little revolt right away with seized stuff in Indonesia and Guam, as negotiated between me and Carloginias (still a few details to work out regarding whether I keep six B52s and let the other bombers go, or keep 2 B-2s since I want a workable "unit" of whatever I keep and let the six BUFFs and six Bones go...) to whatever agreed order of battle.
Or, completely alternately, I might have staged my revolt back in '65 when Sukarno got betrayed by the Indonesian Communists, whom I aided against both Sukarno and Gen. Suharto's reactionaries to take control of Indonesia for myself; adding the other territories I claimed gradually through support of local Red insurgents over the decades, and acquiring the appropriate reputation for this abroad in spite of my more democratic institutions than most other leftist states. I slightly prefer this option now, since it only assumes the Cold War still happened in some shape (RSFSR, did this happen?) and I could thus use that to deter CRA or other intervention against me.
Either alternative is fine by me, everyone. I just want to work out first which history for Wagdog works best for SYAE, that way I don't end up 'modding or such.
Also, while I'm on the topic, are limited fantasy elements permissible; such as fantasy ethnic groups existing in your country but not using any more magic than needed to exist in the first place? If so, have small (1-5% each) populations of Tolkien Elves, Vampires and Weremen to add to (and overlap with, in the Vampires' and Were's cases) my real-world ethnic makeup; the result of bizarre happenings in my land during whatever period should correspond to Wagdog's deletion and subsequent resurrection in broader NationStates terms (the '70s maybe?:D). I keep my RP nations as close to my game nation as possible under each Earth's rules, incorporating regional affiliatons (West Pacific at first, then Lazarus after resurrecting) and even my two-year absence from the game into my history if I can somehow...

What is this? Fantasy earth all of the sudden?

What is this? Fantasy earth all of the sudden?
Not necessarily; I'm just floating out a possible ethnic "quirk" for my country (having small populations of Elves, Vampires, &c.) that reflects the consequences of it's meta-NS "resurrection" back in November. Ressurection would have to be a supernatural event barring some brief collapse into and then emergence from disorder on my country's part; and so being in Lazarus (an "undead" region) in the main game, I went with the supernatural route for my "personal canon" background.
As I said, unlike many I keep my country's NS version and various RP versions as closely related as possible. I figure, "Why not RP the nation you've got?" after all.:p This quirk isn't set in stone as far as SYAE is concerned (TPE already allowed it...), but I figured a heads-up is in order before I hear exclamations of "WHAT? His Secretary of State is an ELF?:confused:" during the course of an actual RP.

You know, Wagdog, if you want to do a fantasy thing, join the fantasy earth. We need more people. I like it because I have a science fiction race instead of a fantasy one and it is still allowed.

You know, Wagdog, if you want to do a fantasy thing, join the fantasy earth. We need more people. I like it because I have a science fiction race instead of a fantasy one and it is still allowed.
True, but again it's actually a MT/Fantasy hybrid; really all-MT but for the odd ethnic groups being around. So, just for clarification, is my "quirk" is allowed within the usual reasonable limits (no unleashing werewolf commandos to cut the enemy down and suchlike moddery) since your RSFSR has a sci-fi race?:confused: I can go all-human on SYAE if needed, but I'd have to change my cabinet and characters around a bit since they include some supernatural-minority members in prominent roles (my State, Defense, Treasury, Commerce, Agriculture, Labor, and Health/Welfare secretaries; plus some military officers too). Oh, and BTW, did you have a Cold War or such with the CRA in this timeline? That will influence how quickly I subverted my other claims besides Indonesia if I go the alternate-history route.
Thanks for the input, as always.;) It's why I float this stuff for SYAE compatibility-checking at all rather than just declaring it right off as in the case of my open-NS profile...

Wagdog:
Problems will arise from you having Fantasy races in your country.
One) Vampires and Werewolves, are nearly invincible save certain situations, like daylight or or silver. This gives you a large edge, if you wanted to say use a Vampire as a Assassin, what could stop him? Not much.
Two) Elves = Magic in most cases. So then what is stopping you from combining modern equipment with magic? Again not much. And if you do create that stuff, what chance would we have? Very Little.


Again. All this would lead to too much arguing. Like, if you get elves and shit, what's stopping me from dragons or gryphons? This just makes the entire rp into a huge wank-fest. Leave this Earth at MT Only, no fantasy. That is my opinion anyway.

Leave this Earth at MT Only, no fantasy. That is my opinion anyway.
I copy Granate's statement here. This is a MT and realistic based Earth.

A lot of countries have gone rather inactive. Namely, the one in Central America, Psychotika, Gauthic, and then a few nations that opted to claim Mexico or something like that, but never really got in..........is this how SYAE fell apart last time?
No, we were forced to make a new thread for SYAE as Congo--Kinshasa (?), the founder of SYAE didn't have the time to continue as the moderator.
It's sad with the inactive people, but you cannot avoid it. That's the scenario in every earth-RP. Either try to get them active (by declaring war at them?), or let their countries fall into anarchy when their goverments fall apart so new players can claim the countries. But for this we need some kind of rule of inactivity (but I think this discussion can wait one or two weeks as SYAE is fairly new).

I copy Granate's statement here. This is a MT and realistic based Earth.
'K. Seeing the trend, all-human and all-MT it shall be. No problem.:cool: If only all such discussions were so easy, right?
Now all I have to do is decide whether the Guam-centric or Indonesia-centric background plot works better, and I'm in business for this Earth...

'K. Seeing the trend, all-human and all-MT it shall be. No problem.:cool: If only all such discussions were so easy, right?
Now all I have to do is decide whether the Guam-centric or Indonesia-centric background plot works better, and I'm in business for this Earth...

It's not for me to decide, but common sense says that this would work better if you started an Indonesian based state - Guam is too small to sustain such a large state.

And as far as fantasy people, I can see such a possibility that your country like to torture its citizenry by forcing them into genetic experiments, but then I think that I would have a problem with that ICly (along with a lot of other people), so it's better left as real as possible without making it too stringent.


>>> My real reason for making this post was to announce that I've completed my military equipment for my air force, so I can now get on to building the Agency for Imperial Contracts Consortium thread. To explain this concisely, this thread will be the thread where I organize all of my purchases, sales, and other useful economic exchanges for my country. It will function in some form like a storefront, since I anticipate that some people might want to have Han {Chinese} equipment in their arsenal. It will take some time for me to build the prices for each unit, but (!!!) I hope to this running by next week, so I can start expanding my country's economic potential. I encourage others to do similar things, since it will make this RP much more deep and interesting to continue.

It's not for me to decide, but common sense says that this would work better if you started an Indonesian based state - Guam is too small to sustain such a large state.

And as far as fantasy people, I can see such a possibility that your country like to torture its citizenry by forcing them into genetic experiments, but then I think that I would have a problem with that ICly (along with a lot of other people), so it's better left as real as possible without making it too stringent.


>>> My real reason for making this post was to announce that I've completed my military equipment for my air force, so I can now get on to building the Agency for Imperial Contracts Consortium thread. To explain this concisely, this thread will be the thread where I organize all of my purchases, sales, and other useful economic exchanges for my country. It will function in some form like a storefront, since I anticipate that some people might want to have Han {Chinese} equipment in their arsenal. It will take some time for me to build the prices for each unit, but (!!!) I hope to this running by next week, so I can start expanding my country's economic potential. I encourage others to do similar things, since it will make this RP much more deep and interesting to continue.

How would you like to invest in our aircraft industry? I'd like to get an OOC response before I approach you ICly. I'm trying to really put some agressive industrial development but I'm going to need a large backer much like the Us backed Japan after WWII to get things really started. and ICly our queen has put our ship yards up for rent. you supply the cash to renovate our shipyards and the ship designs; we supply the workforce to build your ships.

though bare in mind our ship yard havn't actually built anything since WWII (assume it happened in this Earth) our navy consists of a few WWII warships and submarines (none of which are actually operational at the moment)

But yeah; you supply the designs and cash; we build the factories and good. you get a skilled workfoce; build more stuff in less time and we get an economic boost, everybody wins

>>> My real reason for making this post was to announce that I've completed my military equipment for my air force, so I can now get on to building the Agency for Imperial Contracts Consortium thread. To explain this concisely, this thread will be the thread where I organize all of my purchases, sales, and other useful economic exchanges for my country. It will function in some form like a storefront, since I anticipate that some people might want to have Han {Chinese} equipment in their arsenal. It will take some time for me to build the prices for each unit, but (!!!) I hope to this running by next week, so I can start expanding my country's economic potential. I encourage others to do similar things, since it will make this RP much more deep and interesting to continue.

Thanks for reminding me. I need to get to work on my Defense Ministry Store. Mind if I cannibalize some, by some I mean alot, of yours? I know I am a lazy bastard.

How would you like to invest in our aircraft industry? I'd like to get an OOC response before I approach you ICly. I'm trying to really put some agressive industrial development but I'm going to need a large backer much like the Us backed Japan after WWII to get things really started. and ICly our queen has put our ship yards up for rent. you supply the cash to renovate our shipyards and the ship designs; we supply the workforce to build your ships.

though bare in mind our ship yard havn't actually built anything since WWII (assume it happened in this Earth) our navy consists of a few WWII warships and submarines (none of which are actually operational at the moment)

But yeah; you supply the designs and cash; we build the factories and good. you get a skilled workfoce; build more stuff in less time and we get an economic boost, everybody wins

I'll tell you now :D

I would likely accept the proposal, but this is something that I want placed in the new thread that I've just started. It's not ready yet, but it should be ready sometime soon. At that time, I will be glad to entertain this proposal.

Thanks for reminding me. I need to get to work on my Defense Ministry Store. Mind if I cannibalize some, by some I mean alot, of yours? I know I am a lazy bastard.

:rolleyes:

It angers me that I find out I have the export version of the Leopard 2 tank-300 of them-and I bought fifteen more. :P

It angers me that I find out I have the export version of the Leopard 2 tank-300 of them-and I bought fifteen more. :P

Look on the bright-side. You helped the German Economy!

:rolleyes:

I'll take that as a maybe.

Look on the bright-side. You helped the German Economy!

And ruined my own.

Damnit, I want Greece. He called my nation a rathole using Soviet Era weaponry.

And ruined my own.

Damnit, I want Greece. He called my nation a rathole using Soviet Era weaponry.

You're a rathole using modern american and german weaponry!

I'll take that as a maybe.

maybe it's a maybe

You're a rathole using modern american and german weaponry!

I was hoping to be at least a beaver dam. Beavers are cool.

I'll tell you now :D

I would likely accept the proposal, but this is something that I want placed in the new thread that I've just started. It's not ready yet, but it should be ready sometime soon. At that time, I will be glad to entertain this proposal.

Alright; give me a prod by TG or here when the thread is open for business and I'll write up something IC :D

Hmmmm..... when is the first great war going to happen?

Hmmmm..... when is the first great war going to happen?

at the moment, the real question is where.

at the moment, the real question is where.Good point, yet to ask it seems you have a very well founded understanding of Chinese if am right, but I wish to know which one are you Mandarian, Manchu, or Cantonese are you using>?

Good point, yet to ask it seems you have a very well founded understanding of Chinese if am right, but I wish to know which one are you Mandarian, Manchu, or Cantonese are you using>?

haha... you asked.

The truth is that I'm actually using Korean Hanja, which isn't exactly a dialect of Chinese, but is nonetheless completely compatible with the other Chinese languages. The one thing unique about the Chinese written language is that it is completely generic for about 10 different spoken languages - the majority of which are spoken in China proper itself.

That said, my familiarity with Chinese is limited strictly to the Mandarin dialect (Putonghua), but nearly everything that you see in my schemes are in fact Korean derivations of the Chinese scripts. Reflecting that a lot has happened since 1392, the traditional foundation of the Joseon Dynasty, I'm just imaging what would have happened if Yi Seonggyei did invade China instead of turned back on the old Goryeo. As such, my fellows speak Korean, employing the traditional writing system employed by all rulers of China since the Qin Dynasty {221BCE}.

My NS nation is in fact the Korean Hanja derivative of the same country that I am RPing: Dae {da} Han {han} Jei {di} Guk {guo}.

haha... you asked.

The truth is that I'm actually using Korean Hanja, which isn't exactly a dialect of Chinese, but is nonetheless completely compatible with the other Chinese languages. The one thing unique about the Chinese written language is that it is completely generic for about 10 different spoken languages - the majority of which are spoken in China proper itself.

That said, my familiarity with Chinese is limited strictly to the Mandarin dialect (Putonghua), but nearly everything that you see in my schemes are in fact Korean derivations of the Chinese scripts. Reflecting that a lot has happened since 1392, the traditional foundation of the Joseon Dynasty, I'm just imaging what would have happened if Yi Seonggyei did invade China instead of turned back on the old Goryeo. As such, my fellows speak Korean, employing the traditional writing system employed by all rulers of China since the Qin Dynasty {221BCE}.

My NS nation is in fact the Korean Hanja derivative of the same country that I am RPing: Dae {da} Han {han} Jei {di} Guk {guo}.

Are you using a translator or do you have an extensive language of the Hanja writing system?

If the latter...o.o

Are you using a translator or do you have an extensive language of the Hanja writing system?

If the latter...o.o

The truth...

I have this little dictionary that translates as many Chinese characters into Korean as conceivably possible. It's the best thing that's happened to me, because then otherwise, I would have no clue what half of these words meant in Chinese. But of course, even the Korean language has to use Chinese characters at times, because there are literally thousands of different possible combinations:

FOR EXAMPLE!!!

四 = 4 = 사

死 = death = 사

"사" can mean "4" or "death" - so sometimes, it's useful to distinguish between which one you really mean. And of course, most people will know what you mean by context (imagine... 1, 2, 3, DEATH!), but for other words, it can sometimes get confusing.

And unfortunately, in Mandarin, 四 sounds the same as 死 too (just a different tone mark...)

The truth...

I have this little dictionary that translates as many Chinese characters into Korean as conceivably possible. It's the best thing that's happened to me, because then otherwise, I would have no clue what half of these words meant in Chinese. But of course, even the Korean language has to use Chinese characters at times, because there are literally thousands of different possible combinations:

FOR EXAMPLE!!!

四 = 4 = 사

死 = death = 사

"사" can mean "4" or "death" - so sometimes, it's useful to distinguish between which one you really mean. And of course, most people will know what you mean by context (imagine... 1, 2, 3, DEATH!), but for other words, it can sometimes get confusing.

And unfortunately, in Mandarin, 四 sounds the same as 死 too (just a different tone mark...)

Are you Korean? o.O

Are you Korean? o.O

maybe... would a Chinese person rewrite Chinese history to have one of its former tributaries ascend the Celestial Throne?

If that person had an overactive imagination they might. :p

Daehan, are those Chinese goods, or what? (I am refering to the West's arms-ban on China)

If you're refering to his Military Equipment, then yes they are. Because I haven't seen anything like that in the west.

The Empire of Greater India seeks to buy the following items, yet we wish to see the different models, but offered in the quantities listed or in greater number depending on the price and quality offered.

1.2 million Assult Rifles
40,000 Sniper Rifles
320,000 Submachine Guns
80,000 Machine Guns
100,000 Mortars
20,000 Light Artillery Pieces
8,000 Heavy Artillery Pieces
8,000 Tanks
20,000 Troops Transports
1,200 Fighter Jets
1000 Heavy Bombers
8,000 Assualt Chopters
Ammo we pay for a constant flow of

We are willing to pary well for these items as well.

Signed,
Emperor of All Indias

Not really complaining about this, just a few comments.

A) If you're asking one country to provide this for you, you're going to end up having to wait at the least 5 to 7 years, possibly more. Not even China can produce 200 Fighters a year, let alone bombers.

B) Heavy Bombers, aren't usually sold between nations. My suggestion, design your own. I know it will take a long time, but hey it's your own.

C) A plan like this would cost Hundreds of billions, if not trillions. That is unless you want el cheapo stuff.

D) More of a suggestion then anything. Appeal to different nations for different equipment. Not only will you get it quicker, but some nations use sub-par equipment at one position where as another excells at it.

WP: Chinese people aren't renowned for being imaginative, but it works.

Carloginias: The truth is that it's kinda hard for me to have a completely autonomous industry. Nearly all of China's military industry is built off the 1960's Soviets tech, and from there cultivated on home soil. As far as present-day stats are concerned, all of the equipment that I have listed is either produced by China or Korea {Taiwan, DPRK, and Philippines contribute very little to anything amounting to a reasonable home defense industry} - there are only three items in the whole inventory that are IRL manufactured with limited production rights, but that's about it otherwise.

Also, if you're wondering where I got those stats, the name of the equipment in Korean [and Chinese] should give you a link to the parent site, with the RL equipment and stats (if available). I tried not to wank it much, if at all, but there is always some bias. And anyways, it's not so much what an object can do, but what you do with that object that really matters more.

As far as a weapons ban on China, I'm not certain if the West would continue its weapons embargo on China if they are not communist [of course, then you might argue if the embargo was placed on a communist China...].

Granate: the offer is an attempt to build a larger, more modernized armed force - more than likely aimed to counter me so he can try conquering Indochina from my protections - or at least to threaten me to doing it :D

Just checking to see what would the response be for a NATO type alliance.

Asking again:

West Pacific. I claimed Togo-yet never got accounted for it. Could you add Togo to my claim? Thanks.

Though thank you Kopp for adding it to the map!

Sorry about that, added Togo to the claims list, amazing how I messed up the very first claim. Must have been all that crack the night before, yeah, that's it, crack...

An anti-commie alliance, eh? I shall strike back with an Alliance of my own! Bwahaha! Hooray for the prosperity of the RSFSR and CCPS!

Just checking to see what would the response be for a NATO type alliance.

I'm sure Jaredcohia and I could come to sort of agreement with your nation, but because I intend to RP my nation as being quite anti-communist some sort of Pan-European alliance that included the CCPS and myself would be quite difficult.

I'm not anti-commie. In fact my nation is actually more socialist then some of the other democratic nations out there.

I'm not anti-commie. In fact my nation is actually more socialist then some of the other democratic nations out there.Even Sweden?;)

haha... you asked.

The truth is that I'm actually using Korean Hanja, which isn't exactly a dialect of Chinese, but is nonetheless completely compatible with the other Chinese languages. The one thing unique about the Chinese written language is that it is completely generic for about 10 different spoken languages - the majority of which are spoken in China proper itself.

That said, my familiarity with Chinese is limited strictly to the Mandarin dialect (Putonghua), but nearly everything that you see in my schemes are in fact Korean derivations of the Chinese scripts. Reflecting that a lot has happened since 1392, the traditional foundation of the Joseon Dynasty, I'm just imaging what would have happened if Yi Seonggyei did invade China instead of turned back on the old Goryeo. As such, my fellows speak Korean, employing the traditional writing system employed by all rulers of China since the Qin Dynasty {221BCE}.

My NS nation is in fact the Korean Hanja derivative of the same country that I am RPing: Dae {da} Han {han} Jei {di} Guk {guo}.Interesting, by the way that reminds that when I was about twelve I got into a argument with a Korean guy over the origins of their writing system, it turned out I was right as the Chinese writing system, like the Latin and Greek alphabets, were adopted by many of the surrounding cultures due to it being more efficient or it being forced upon them. Man I was a little bastard back then about being always right.

Yet, might I ask something that might be rather interesting... would it be pretty cool if my crown prince married one of your important daughters (assuming that you even have one) so as to seal a sort of cooperation between our Empires. Though my Empire itself is based upon race class systems there is no mention of Eastern Asians so it would be cool situation for me, though Chinese and Koreans are already regarded as a highly respectable people at least the equal to my Gurkas(the next highest ranking group) to have my people come to view your kingdom's rulers and a good chunk of their peoples equal to the ruling Europeans of my nation.

So would that sound fair to you?

An anti-commie alliance, eh? I shall strike back with an Alliance of my own! Bwahaha! Hooray for the prosperity of the RSFSR and CCPS!
You're right! We should found the Warzaw Pact!

Hey wait!! EEU controls Warzaw, we must have another name...

Interesting, by the way that reminds that when I was about twelve I got into a argument with a Korean guy over the origins of their writing system, it turned out I was right as the Chinese writing system, like the Latin and Greek alphabets, were adopted by many of the surrounding cultures due to it being more efficient or it being forced upon them. Man I was a little bastard back then about being always right.

Yet, might I ask something that might be rather interesting... would it be pretty cool if my crown prince married one of your important daughters (assuming that you even have one) so as to seal a sort of cooperation between our Empires. Though my Empire itself is based upon race class systems there is no mention of Eastern Asians so it would be cool situation for me, though Chinese and Koreans are already regarded as a highly respectable people at least the equal to my Gurkas(the next highest ranking group) to have my people come to view your kingdom's rulers and a good chunk of their peoples equal to the ruling Europeans of my nation.

So would that sound fair to you?

The Korean writing system is completely different from the Chinese writing system - for one, it's phonetic.

Chinese was conceived with the idea that twelve different languages could still write to each other and though speak the same words differently, still have the same meaning. For that reason, the Chinese writing system is very useful for a lot of people, even in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and Mongolia (to some extent, other countries as well). The Chinese writing was invented by the Emperor Qin {Qin Dynasty 221BCE-206BCE}, as a way to unify China.

The Korean written language was conceived as a means to show the autonomy of Korea relative to China - in that foundation of a new writing style would allow Korea more cultural autonomy. It was also perceived as an alternative to writing Chinese, which can get very very very very very complicated at times. King Seijong {1418-1450} ordered its cultivation primarily to bring education to every person in Joseon - it was part of the Confucian ethic to make certain that your subjects were wise and not like the animals, "treading on all limbs and knowing no reason". As you can imagine, the Ming Chinese did not like it at all when they heard that the Koreans had made their own language, because it was a cultural indication that Chinese was not as important in Korea as it had been. For many years after that, relations soured between the two states, and they never really healed. Even today, there is resentment, mostly on the side of Korea claiming that China is exerting too much of its influence to bring neighboring states under its sway. Today, most people don't even use Chinese characters, although it is still very important. A lot of the context is derived from Chinese, but you don't find it too often.

Of course, Roman alphabet arguably is more a derivate of the Greek alphabet, which itself is a derivative of the Phoenician alphabet - and who knows after that...


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As to the Royal marriage proposal, maybe :D

The Korean writing system is completely different from the Chinese writing system - for one, it's phonetic.

Chinese was conceived with the idea that twelve different languages could still write to each other and though speak the same words differently, still have the same meaning. For that reason, the Chinese writing system is very useful for a lot of people, even in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and Mongolia (to some extent, other countries as well). The Chinese writing was invented by the Emperor Qin {Qin Dynasty 221BCE-206BCE}, as a way to unify China.

The Korean written language was conceived as a means to show the autonomy of Korea relative to China - in that foundation of a new writing style would allow Korea more cultural autonomy. It was also perceived as an alternative to writing Chinese, which can get very very very very very complicated at times. King Seijong {1418-1450} ordered its cultivation primarily to bring education to every person in Joseon - it was part of the Confucian ethic to make certain that your subjects were wise and not like the animals, "treading on all limbs and knowing no reason". As you can imagine, the Ming Chinese did not like it at all when they heard that the Koreans had made their own language, because it was a cultural indication that Chinese was not as important in Korea as it had been. For many years after that, relations soured between the two states, and they never really healed. Even today, there is resentment, mostly on the side of Korea claiming that China is exerting too much of its influence to bring neighboring states under its sway. Today, most people don't even use Chinese characters, although it is still very important. A lot of the context is derived from Chinese, but you don't find it too often.

Of course, Roman alphabet arguably is more a derivate of the Greek alphabet, which itself is a derivative of the Phoenician alphabet - and who knows after that...


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As to the Royal marriage proposal, maybe :DSorry, I did not want to into the long writing routes, but I guess it would be cool.

Chinese writing itself was begun as writing on bones, then it slowly transformed into a more self sustainable delict, but as more langanuges and dialects use it becomre more diverse, but under the rule of the Qin (names to hard to spell) this was simplified into one dialect into the writing system still used today with not much change save for their being efforts to simplify inside the PRC.

The Koreans adopted the Chinese writing system after being under Chinese influnce, but then simplified the system for their own use which you explained, but in comparision it was like modern English writing to the seven hundred charatcer Phonecian system basically.

As for the Phonecian if I am right it was influenced by Hittie and Egyptian systems, though it was simpilified and altered greatly from those and then they basically recreated it into alphabet of seven characters.

Though I admit there is a good chance that my brain is giving me bull crap and only the one or two words of it are true and if I am right please tell me.:)
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For the marriage I :) to it as it would be interesting and would help to keep peace in the east for a few years, maybe.;)

I'm still wondering about that alliance.

I'm thinking my nation is on the social side, but not communist. I'll make the history of it about how we defeated Communism in Bulgaria and it didn't spread.

I could propose a democratic alliance in Europe. I don't know if I should make a seperate thread for this, or post it in the General IC Thread for SYAE. Basically, there will be a few requirements (mainly of a standing army, donation to alliance, and government type to be democratic). The democratic government doesn't necessarily mean that it is a complete democracy, but consitutional monarchies, parliament, democracy/republics, etc. as long as it is not communist/totalitarianist/fascist/etc. I think that an alliance like this could be very much a turning point in the future of diplomatic relations not only in Europe, but also the rest of the world.

Hey, Kopp. Want to have a meeting of sorts in one of our cities to put into effect a sort of Warsaw Pact-like alliance? I don't know, maybe a name like the Minsk Coalition or the Madrid Conference.

Sorry, I did not want to into the long writing routes, but I guess it would be cool.

Chinese writing itself was begun as writing on bones, then it slowly transformed into a more self sustainable delict, but as more langanuges and dialects use it becomre more diverse, but under the rule of the Qin (names to hard to spell) this was simplified into one dialect into the writing system still used today with not much change save for their being efforts to simplify inside the PRC.

The Koreans adopted the Chinese writing system after being under Chinese influnce, but then simplified the system for their own use which you explained, but in comparision it was like modern English writing to the seven hundred charatcer Phonecian system basically.

As for the Phonecian if I am right it was influenced by Hittie and Egyptian systems, though it was simpilified and altered greatly from those and then they basically recreated it into alphabet of seven characters.

Though I admit there is a good chance that my brain is giving me bull crap and only the one or two words of it are true and if I am right please tell me.:)
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For the marriage I :) to it as it would be interesting and would help to keep peace in the east for a few years, maybe.;)

I'm almost certain that it isn't Hittite, since they aren't even in the same language group (although the same could be said of Greek and Phoenician). Egyptian seems more correct, but I honestly wouldn't know - I don't believe even people who study it know for certain either.

The marriage is only considered viable if you actually make an IC post about it. If I reject, then it's too bad. If I don't, then perhaps things will work out. As a piece of advice, instead of wondering what to do, try doing it and see if people like it. Sometimes they won't - sometimes they will. If we resolve all of our IC conflicts OOCly, then we have a boring RP, and nothing ever really progresses too far.

I'm thinking my nation is on the social side, but not communist. I'll make the history of it about how we defeated Communism in Bulgaria and it didn't spread.

Haha! That reminds me, I still have work to do on my history.

I'm almost certain that it isn't Hittite, since they aren't even in the same language group (although the same could be said of Greek and Phoenician). Egyptian seems more correct, but I honestly wouldn't know - I don't believe even people who study it know for certain either.

The marriage is only considered viable if you actually make an IC post about it. If I reject, then it's too bad. If I don't, then perhaps things will work out. As a piece of advice, instead of wondering what to do, try doing it and see if people like it. Sometimes they won't - sometimes they will. If we resolve all of our IC conflicts OOCly, then we have a boring RP, and nothing ever really progresses too far.



Haha! That reminds me, I still have work to do on my history.That what I forgot and as for my factbook I have no history and military, though for now I may only put numbers down due to a number of reasons.

As well, I think no ones where the Phonecian language came from.

My history pretty much depends on how far the USSR, or Whatever the hell it is now, extended after WWII. If the EEU sprang up before it could install Communist Regimes, then I'll just say that Switzerland and Leichtenstein joined Germany in the 70s to combat the growing threat of Terrorism not communism, since socialism in a form lives in Germany.

Yeah I need to know what happened with WWI if EEU was like Austria and fucked Bosnia over.

But anyways, a NATO-like organization in SYAE would be interesting. We'd create two powerful bloks it would seem, commies vs. capitalists :P

Leaving Africa to pick up after the ruins *Claps hands together maniacally*

But anyways, a NATO-like organization in SYAE would be interesting. We'd create two powerful bloks it would seem, commies vs. capitalists :P

But anyways, a NATO-like organization in SYAE would be interesting. We'd create two powerful bloks it would seem, commies vs. capitalists :POr we can have monarchies vs. democracies?:D

Daehanjeiguk got the post up, finally and sorry for the long wait.

Yeah I need to know what happened with WWI if EEU was like Austria and fucked Bosnia over.

Austria already conquered Bosnia - you mean Serbia?

My history pretty much depends on how far the USSR, or Whatever the hell it is now, extended after WWII. If the EEU sprang up before it could install Communist Regimes, then I'll just say that Switzerland and Leichtenstein joined Germany in the 70s to combat the growing threat of Terrorism not communism, since socialism in a form lives in Germany.

Socialism in a form has existed since Bismarck instituted Social Security in 1889...

Austria already conquered Bosnia - you mean Serbia?

If I recall my pre-WWI history correctly, Austria-Hungary had annexed Bosnia in 1878, pissing off the Serbs.

I'm most likely wrong.

Socialism in a form has existed since Bismarck instituted Social Security in 1889...

Yes... just Germany's more Socialist now that I control compared to modern day Germany. L

Or we can have monarchies vs. democracies?:D

Too few monarchies, and their equipment, save the HAN stuff, is mediocre compared to the Democries Stuff. That is if you include the CSA or is the USA? Fuck I'm confused.

If I recall my pre-WWI history correctly, Austria-Hungary had annexed Bosnia in 1878, pissing off the Serbs.

I'm most likely wrong.

Ah, pre-WWI - yes.

I thought you were referring to the Black Hand.

Too few monarchies, and their equipment, save the HAN stuff, is mediocre compared to the Democries Stuff. That is if you include the CSA or is the USA? Fuck I'm confused.

Thank you!!! The first person, I have won a convert!

And as confusing as it seems, it is CSA. But whether that entails a pro-states' rights union is yet to be seen.

Don't expect it to last, I'll slip and say Chinese every now and then.

Daehanjeiguk got the post up, finally and sorry for the long wait.To point out if I addresed your Emperor wrong please ignore it as I did not know so I hope my post was decent enough to gain attention from your Emperor.:D

So, who would be interested in a European Treaty Organisation? (ETO)

With the founding, we'd most likely create a Euro-like currency (cept the name'll be more badass) and a military alliance/trade alliance.

To point out if I addresed your Emperor wrong please ignore it as I did not know so I hope my post was decent enough to gain attention from your Emperor.:D

It's okay - I've already posted, and I never said how to do so. But now I did :D

So, who would be interested in a European Treaty Organisation? (ETO)

With the founding, we'd most likely create a Euro-like currency (cept the name'll be more badass) and a military alliance/trade alliance.

I think it would only be me, you, West Pacific, and Futuris.

What about that guy with France? :S

What about that guy with France? :S

Daehanjeiguk got the post up, finally and sorry for the long wait.

It's okay - I've already posted, and I never said how to do so. But now I did :DBy the way I hope addresing him as his Imperial Majesty of the Empire of Han was good as that was what I did.:)

Yet, seriosuly thanks for telling that beause knowledge is power.

What about that guy with France? :S

Inactive as hell...

I'll probably catch alot of flak for that, but oh well.

OOC: Considering the the only the other users of the Typhoon are inactive, I'm your best best. Also, the Typhoon is a reletively new fighter and my production of the Air-craft will all go to me. So your chances of getting any Typhoons soon is very very small. And I can't extend an LPR to you because of the reletive newness, so your out of luck. That is unless one of the other users becomes active. But I can atleast give you the price ICly.
OOC: Spain is one of the four member nations in Eurofighter GmbH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_GmbH), and the Typhoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon) has formally entered service with the Italian Air Force and with the Spanish Air Force in RL.
But seeing as I'm playing as a little bit of different Spain here in SYAE, I'm thinking of keeping the 87 Typhoons ordered/built by Spain, and pretend that I'm not a part of the consortium. Is that fair, Granate?

Hey, Kopp. Want to have a meeting of sorts in one of our cities to put into effect a sort of Warsaw Pact-like alliance? I don't know, maybe a name like the Minsk Coalition or the Madrid Conference.
Yea, think we need to do it, to counter-balance the forthcoming new capitalist-alliance. Heh...
Put up a meeting in Minsk, and Francisco Frutos, the General Secretary of Partido Comunista de España (PCE), will be there! Will you make a new thread for this?

OOC: Considering the the only the other users of the Typhoon are inactive, I'm your best best. Also, the Typhoon is a reletively new fighter and my production of the Air-craft will all go to me. So your chances of getting any Typhoons soon is very very small. And I can't extend an LPR to you because of the reletive newness, so your out of luck. That is unless one of the other users becomes active. But I can atleast give you the price ICly.

$125 Million..you sure about that? the F-22A only cots $92 million each; and the UK is selling Saudi Arabia 72 Eurofighters for £2.2 Billion. which works out about £35 million pouunds each or $67 million USD

So, who would be interested in a European Treaty Organisation? (ETO)

With the founding, we'd most likely create a Euro-like currency (cept the name'll be more badass) and a military alliance/trade alliance.


Just like the thread that led to our alliance, make a new topic, see what happens. ;)

I would like to claim,
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Tajikistan
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Yemen

And my nation will be called, The Middle Eastern Coalition.

I would like to claim,
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Tajikistan
Iran
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
and those two tiny countries that are near the previous two mentioned.

And my nation will be called, The Middle Eastern Coalition.

Too much in my opinion. Pakistan and Iran alone equal about 230,000,000 People. Anymore would be over kill. Not to mention that he would control most of the World's Oil. That is something I don't think anyone wants.

OOC: Spain is one of the four member nations in Eurofighter GmbH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_GmbH), and the Typhoon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon) has formally entered service with the Italian Air Force and with the Spanish Air Force in RL.
But seeing as I'm playing as a little bit of different Spain here in SYAE, I'm thinking of keeping the 87 Typhoons ordered/built by Spain, and pretend that I'm not a part of the consortium. Is that fair, Granate?

I forgot about spain, sorry. Yea, if you want to. I'll still sell them to you, as long as you're not my enemy.

Too much in my opinion. Pakistan and Iran alone equal about 230,000,000 People. Anymore would be over kill. Not to mention that he would control most of the World's Oil. That is something I don't think anyone wants.

Ok I won't take Iran, but the rest are mine?

Ok I won't take Iran, but the rest are mine?
Ask WP. I want his opinion on this. Also you would still hold alot of the World's oil.

[If I conquer Bhutan what would your responses be?

Stop pussy-footing it and do it. YOU WON'T KNOW MY REACTION UNTIL YOU DO IT! I MAY APPLAUD YOU OR DENOUNCE YOUR GOVERNMENT! WHO KNOWS!

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* Maniacal laughter continues long into the night*

[If I conquer Bhutan what would your responses be?

Depends. Could be bad. The SCE has been quiet, and I'm doing it to keep them a bit in the dark (apart from the reason that I've been too lazy to create a factbook).

Scandinavians where is your factbook? I need to denouce your invasion of Bhuton. XD

Scandinavians where is your factbook? I need to denouce your invasion of Bhuton. XD

Use the thread he made. It's there for a reason, much like Fruit Cake.... wait a minute... does fruit cake have a reason.

Hmmm.... Lessee

Three things that survive Nuclear Holocaust:
1) Cockroaches
2) Cadillac Coup De Villes
3) Fruit Cake


Nope no reason.

Sorry guys- I'm out.

*Hands Jared Claim*

Use the thread he made. It's there for a reason, much like Fruit Cake.... wait a minute... does fruit cake have a reason.

Hmmm.... Lessee

Three things that survive Nuclear Holocaust:
1) Cockroaches
2) Cadillac Coup De Villes
3) Fruit Cake


Nope no reason.

What about Twinkies? :p

Has fruitcake ever had a reason?

Perhaps.......to be eaten?;)

Use the thread he made. It's there for a reason, much like Fruit Cake.... wait a minute... does fruit cake have a reason.

Hmmm.... Lessee

Three things that survive Nuclear Holocaust:
1) Cockroaches
2) Cadillac Coup De Villes
3) Fruit Cake


Nope no reason.

Has fruitcake ever had a reason?

Perhaps.......to be eaten?;)

MY GOD DEAR MAN, ARE YOU MAD!

MY GOD DEAR MAN, ARE YOU MAD!

Just a little....:D

Who here would fix it would be cool of let's say we discovered a big old oil reserve in the Bay of Bengel so as to challenge the Middle East's oil domination?:D

Who here would fix it would be cool of let's say we discovered a big old oil reserve in the Bay of Bengel so as to challenge the Middle East's oil domination?:D

And then another one in the Northern Sea's? :D

Sorry guys- I'm out.

*Hands Jared Claim*

:DDD

<3s u

And then another one in the Northern Sea's? :D

*Claims both*

And then another one in the Northern Sea's? :D

How 'bout one right off Togo...

How 'bout one right off Togo...

How about no, you freaky deaky Dutch Bastard. This goes for the rest of you as well. Altering the earth was never mentioned, it's almost as wild as the Fantasy Elements Idea.

There's a reason it was called French West Africa...

How about no, you freaky deaky Dutch Bastard. This goes for the rest of you as well. Altering the earth was never mentioned, it's almost as wild as the Fantasy Elements Idea.

Love it!
However, most of my claim was actually French in the Imperialism days (France owned nealy the entire Western Saharan region, with a little Dutch and British scattered throughout).

Pakistan
Afghanistan
Tajikistan
Iran
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Yemen

I'll give you Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it) OR Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan, but not all seven nations.

As for oil, no making up fake discoveries of oil just to fulfill your needs.

Jaredcohonia, if you want Greece you are going to have to RP and invasion of some sort, you're not just going to get it since Nuevo Italia gave it up.

Granate, fruitcake exists as a way to say "I love you, but only because I'm going to get a sweet inheritence when you die." to your parents or grandparents, but in a nice sort of way.

updated my factbook :3

Hey WP, are we allowed to RP the development of weapons that are being currently researched and tested by governments around the world? Weapons, that aren't in service or production, but could be a possibility (if the production date is unknown).

Indigenous weapons programs are allowed, but here's my rules on this.

A.) If it is an RL system you are developing it must be your claimed countries who are developing this. This means that the CSA for instance has rights to the YF-23 even though it was more or less scrapped a while ago and never entered production. RSFSR owns rights to the T-95, Mig 1.44 etc. even though these items are in development and in all honesty the Mig 1.44 will never see production unless India or China takes over financing the program.

B.) You will not have a brand new MBT over night, development will have to be RPed at a realistic speed, so the development of a new MBT would take 1-10 years (12-120 days) depending on if it was merely an improvement on an older design (ie Leopard 2A6 upgraded to Leopard 2A7 would take like a year and a half) or a brand new design.

C.) Post costs and prove that the development of a new weapons system is not costing 80% of your total defense spending for the year.

I'll give you Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it) OR Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan, but not all seven nations.

As for oil, no making up fake discoveries of oil just to fulfill your needs.

Jaredcohonia, if you want Greece you are going to have to RP and invasion of some sort, you're not just going to get it since Nuevo Italia gave it up.

Granate, fruitcake exists as a way to say "I love you, but only because I'm going to get a sweet inheritence when you die." to your parents or grandparents, but in a nice sort of way.

Hmmm Rping new oil deposits that actually is rather interesting; a) Chad (my nation) is just starting to tap its oil potential given money and time we could make several new Oil platforms; equally I think they're talking about building rigs off the coast of Tanzania to drill for oil. I think it would actually be interesting of RP'ed right to discover resources; but it depends on how strict you want to be. if we want to maintain teh status quo; then theres not much point in RP.

I for one given time; investment from Han (when he gets the thread open so I can propose this Icly). Investment from other forign markets; aggresslive industrial development and creating jobs etc plan to eventually create an African post WWII Japan.

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80% is a little unfair. a portion deffently but 80% would mean you couldn't maintain your armed forces or pay and feed your soldiers etc. I'm not saying things shouldn't cost and things should deffinetly take time (5 years is the average MBT, 12 years for aircraft) andd should be Rped but 80% is a little mean. plus theres joint projects to consider; I've been considering perposing an "Africa-fighter" Program.

Those are previously discovered reserves that are being tapped, nothing wrong there. However if the CCPS for instance (nothing personal) comes forward and says "I discovered an oil reserve of almost 3 trillion barrels near Madrid!" they will get bitch slapped by me. Tapping known reserves is fine, all you have to do to RP the discovery of a new oil field is provide links showing that said reserves exist in RL, pulling something out of your ass and making up whole new discoveries with no RL sources to back it up: not good.

I'll give you Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it) OR Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan, but not all seven nations.

As for oil, no making up fake discoveries of oil just to fulfill your needs.

Jaredcohonia, if you want Greece you are going to have to RP and invasion of some sort, you're not just going to get it since Nuevo Italia gave it up.

Granate, fruitcake exists as a way to say "I love you, but only because I'm going to get a sweet inheritence when you die." to your parents or grandparents, but in a nice sort of way.I knew my just bad, me blame my Viking ancestors for bad behavior.:p

Yet, in seriousness I have begun the conquest of Bhutan: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520005

Those are previously discovered reserves that are being tapped, nothing wrong there. However if the CCPS for instance (nothing personal) comes forward and says "I discovered an oil reserve of almost 3 trillion barrels near Madrid!" they will get bitch slapped by me. Tapping known reserves is fine, all you have to do to RP the discovery of a new oil field is provide links showing that said reserves exist in RL, pulling something out of your ass and making up whole new discoveries with no RL sources to back it up: not good.

*laughs* yeah 3 trillion barrels at Madrid would be a wee bit excesive. but I don't think we have to stick specifically to RL deposites; setting up new sites where we know theres oil for example; but the pulling discovorys out of your arse where theres been no oil before; I think there should be a thing on this like the tech; you RP getting the capital, building the infalstructure, drilling for the discovory (potentially this could take years) and even then theres no guarantee; as you could use a Mod to decide if theres actually oil there so you could be spending a whole lotta cash for nothing. as long as its RPed out I don't see a problem with it; but it should be kept to places there is LIKELY to be oil.

But yeah; RP the development; the getting infalstructure up and all that and leave it to a mod to decide if there is actually oil there. that way it'll just be like RL left to random chance. if you get resources YAY if not; then you've spent a lot of cash for no return; dosn't mean you can't or won't try again. All big resources could be done like this.

Africa is actually one of THE most untapped continents on earth for Oil and as this earth starts to run out of oil; finding new supplys will become important unless all oil producing states have an infinite supply of course.

2nd Edit: What year are we in now ICly?

Indigenous weapons programs are allowed, but here's my rules on this.

A.) If it is an RL system you are developing it must be your claimed countries who are developing this. This means that the CSA for instance has rights to the YF-23 even though it was more or less scrapped a while ago and never entered production. RSFSR owns rights to the T-95, Mig 1.44 etc. even though these items are in development and in all honesty the Mig 1.44 will never see production unless India or China takes over financing the program.

B.) You will not have a brand new MBT over night, development will have to be RPed at a realistic speed, so the development of a new MBT would take 1-10 years (12-120 days) depending on if it was merely an improvement on an older design (ie Leopard 2A6 upgraded to Leopard 2A7 would take like a year and a half) or a brand new design.

C.) Post costs and prove that the development of a new weapons system is not costing 80% of your total defense spending for the year.

Well...I was thinking of a...different....kind of weapons system. One, that will probably never make the big screen, because it would allow me to conquer the world in weeks, or something else like that. But, I still want to RP developing it, with opposition and resistance to it, etc. etc. My next post in my Svalbard (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519294) thread will probably describe it a bit...

1.) Tesla Technology
2.) Anti-ballistic missile satellites(like the Star Wars project developed by the USA)
3.) Ion cannons (Particle-guns attached to the before-mentioned satellites)
4.) Super AI
5.) Underground weapon systems
6.) Underwater technologies
7.) Bio weapons
8.) Plasma-related weapons and tech

Or, I could just research nuclear weapons/powerplants.....

Well...I was thinking of a...different....kind of weapons system. One, that will probably never make the big screen, because it would allow me to conquer the world in weeks, or something else like that. But, I still want to RP developing it, with opposition and resistance to it, etc. etc. My next post in my Svalbard (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519294) thread will probably describe it a bit...

1.) Tesla Technology
2.) Anti-ballistic missile satellites(like the Star Wars project developed by the USA)
3.) Ion cannons (Particle-guns attached to the before-mentioned satellites)
4.) Super AI
5.) Underground weapon systems
6.) Underwater technologies
7.) Bio weapons
8.) Plasma-related weapons and tech

Or, I could just research nuclear weapons/powerplants.....

Yeah; when our economy improves I'm going to start up a nuke weapons program since I'm sitting on a feck load of Uranium. as for tech we're looking into...

1) Mag lines (already spending cash upgrading our Trains to these)
2) 'Silk steel alloys' Artifically engineered metal with a high melting point 23 x stronger than base steel, trade of its very expensive to produce ($500 per 1kg) so there won't be an abundance of it.
3) Plasma Steel Armour (For a new Tank) Basically; Polly Crystaline/Titanium/seel steel plate encased in Super cooled plasma with heat reactive metal
4) 4D thrust Vectored Engines
5) Turbo-Ramjets
6) ETC.
==
out of your list, I can probably see 2, 3 5,6,7 and a maybe 8 depending on exactly what you want from it...whatever you do :) research, research research...

I wish WP would tell me the year so I know how much my econoimy has improved; I'd love a progressive earth. a world with concequence open to change not just maintaining the status quo. in a LOT of RP's it seems that if your not the US your boned.

Yeah; when our economy improves I'm going to start up a nuke weapons program since I'm sitting on a feck load of Uranium. as for tech we're looking into...

1) Mag lines (already spending cash upgrading our Trains to these)
2) 'Silk steel alloys' Artifically engineered metal with a high melting point 23 x stronger than base steel, trade of its very expensive to produce ($500 per 1kg) so there won't be an abundance of it.
3) Plasma Steel Armour (For a new Tank) Basically; Polly Crystaline/Titanium/seel steel plate encased in Super cooled plasma with heat reactive metal
4) 4D thrust Vectored Engines
5) Turbo-Ramjets
6) ETC.
==
out of your list, I can probably see 2, 3 5,6,7 and a maybe 8 depending on exactly what you want from it...whatever you do :) research, research research...

I wish WP would tell me the year so I know how much my econoimy has improved; I'd love a progressive earth. a world with concequence open to change not just maintaining the status quo. in a LOT of RP's it seems that if your not the US your boned.

But...tesla tech is cool... Link (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9654/tesla/projecthaarp.html) and another Link (http://uforeview.tripod.com/emweapons.html) Although the ion cannons are far-fetched, and AI is for another RP.

I agree with Animarnia, nations should be able to research and progress based on the effort they put into RPing progression. For example, I conquered an entire island to set up a military base to research - -. Not necessarily past the 2012 tech limit, but just to progress research and economic growth in general.

But...tesla tech is cool... Link (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9654/tesla/projecthaarp.html) and another Link (http://uforeview.tripod.com/emweapons.html) Although the ion cannons are far-fetched, and AI is for another RP.

I agree with Animarnia, nations should be able to research and progress based on the effort they put into RPing progression. For example, I conquered an entire island to set up a military base to research - -. Not necessarily past the 2012 tech limit, but just to progress research and economic growth in general.

:) I know Tesla is good stuff; but its also inffeicent; you'd have to put a lot of RP into fixing that to make it viable but I agree its more intreeging that "I go for n00kzors"

Indigenous weapons programs are allowed, but here's my rules on this.

A.) If it is an RL system you are developing it must be your claimed countries who are developing this. This means that the CSA for instance has rights to the YF-23 even though it was more or less scrapped a while ago and never entered production. RSFSR owns rights to the T-95, Mig 1.44 etc. even though these items are in development and in all honesty the Mig 1.44 will never see production unless India or China takes over financing the program.

B.) You will not have a brand new MBT over night, development will have to be RPed at a realistic speed, so the development of a new MBT would take 1-10 years (12-120 days) depending on if it was merely an improvement on an older design (ie Leopard 2A6 upgraded to Leopard 2A7 would take like a year and a half) or a brand new design.

C.) Post costs and prove that the development of a new weapons system is not costing 80% of your total defense spending for the year.

I've already begun developement on the Leopard 3 MBT. In all sense of the word it's just going to be a Leopard 2 that's taken quite a bit of upgrades. Including 4th Generation Ceramic/Explosive Reactive Armor. It's also going to have a 130mm or 125mm smoothbore cannon. Other things will be fleshed out as development continues.

I am also updating my 2A6s to 2A7s. By the end of the next two years, all 750 of them should be updated and battle-ready. I am also putting the 2A7 into limited production, so I should have an extra 70 Tanks by the time the 2A6s are finished upgrading.

wow, a lot of things happening.

First of all, I think that we should restrict ourselves from becoming too PMT, because it destroys the MT atmosphere if everyone is producing or developing tech that isn't even being realized at the present. Then we get into arguments about what those things can do in an actual conflict. Of course, we shouldn't prohibit research, because not everyone has the same capabilities and they all deserve the opportunity to develop better infrastructure. And then again, we should make research and development more expensive and time-intensive, so it doesn't become an automatic "gonna have nukes in five years"

Secondly, finding new deposits is perfectly normal - it happens in RL more often than people actually think. Relative to my country, there are suspect oil fields off the west coast of North Korea [link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3672282.stm)] surrounding the Spratly Islands [link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands#Political_dispute)]. I am certain that there are more around the world, so as long as you have RL connections, it should be permissible.

Thirdly, I shouldn't be stating this here, but my country will be willing to work with other countries ICly to develop new equipment. But you have to ask first, and you have be considerate what you want help with; there are limits.

Fourthly, the invasion of Bhutan is too short. In the time that it has taken my task force to reach the Paracel Islands, your forces have already consolidated their power in Bhutan. Furthermore, your IC actions do not please my state, so there will be IC implications.

So where's WP been all this time? I've been waiting for my claims to get approved, and he hasn't replied to my TG and request in this thread! :(

I REALLY WANT TO GET STARTED RPING ON THIS THREAD!!!! :headbang:

I'll give you Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it) OR Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan, but not all seven nations.
So where's WP been all this time? I've been waiting for my claims to get approved, and he hasn't replied to my TG and request in this thread! :(

I REALLY WANT TO GET STARTED RPING ON THIS THREAD!!!! :headbang:
Hey, calm down! :)

WP has already answered to your claim, and we're now waiting for your decision. State if you want to have either

Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it)

or

Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan

and then you can start RP. Easy as that!

First off, the whole current date thing. There is no set date, everyone's RPing style is different and I don't want to infringe on that by making them comform to some sort of RP style they don't like. Everyone is responsible for keeping track of their own date. For instance, if you decide to produce more tanks, you are responsible for choosing how long it will take and at what rate to produce said tanks and for updating periodically. If you want to set a date fine but I won't for the simple reason that fluid time works best. Hell if you want to have a uniform calendar then things such as my conference with the Balkan Union would have taken almost a year.

Second off, technology. Try to restrain yourselves, I know Ion Cannons may sound cool but does anyone here honestly think that within five years we will be producion tanks with ion cannons on them? The US Army doesn't think so and that's the most advanced fighting force in the world. Lasers are one thing, such as the Air Force's project to put a laser on a 747 to shoot down ICBM's, but ion cannons are considerable larger. Plus keep in mind that if you want to put those things into space you also have to RP the development of a space program since only the US, Brazil and China have an indigenous space program, however many countries in Europe can claim to have their own since one or more of their claimed countries is part of the ESA.

Ak-108's, see Kopparberg's post above, I've already responded.

Finally, if you guys want to get a hold of me TG's aren't the best way, I have the forums bookmarked so I usually go straight to the forums without visiting NS itself.

I would also be willing to work cooperatively with other nations to develope weaponry. Hell as long as it's not insanely amazing, I'll work on just about everything. And remember, You get German Engineering and we all know how good that is.

Hey, calm down! :)

WP has already answered to your claim, and we're now waiting for your decision. State if you want to have either

Saudi Arabia, Oman and Yemen (Jordan too if you want it)

or

Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan

and then you can start RP. Easy as that!

Hmmm... mmmm... mmmmm! Ohhhhh! I pick *imagines drum roll playing in the background Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran, and Pakistan!

Jaredcohonia, if you want Greece you are going to have to RP and invasion of some sort, you're not just going to get it since Nuevo Italia gave it up.

:[ Oops @ already adding to factbook. :P

I'll make an occupation of Greece/Cyprus tomorrow most likely. Going out to eat with my friends soon.

To all people!!!!!


STOP MAKING ONE POST CONQUESTS!

It's not a conquest if you take it in one move. Even in chess, you have to make at least four moves before you win the game (and only if the other guy is that stupid); why should war be any different?

Hmmm... mmmm... mmmmm! Ohhhhh! I pick *imagines drum roll playing in the background Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran, and Pakistan!

ummm, what state are you?

Also, EVERYONE - please check this post to make sure that:

(1) you're listed as a country;
(2) your diplomatic stance with the Han Empire is accurate;
(3) anything else that needs to be fixed...


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231941&postcount=4

edited for clarity...

There's a reason it was called French West Africa...

Then why did you say Dutch, son?

Also: might wanna watch who you call bastard, as I've been around a hell of a lot longer than you on NS.

Common courtesy is all I ask-if you can't suffice, then stop responding to my posts, por favor. Or I'll flame yours back.

Then why did you say Dutch, son?

Also: might wanna watch who you call bastard, as I've been around a hell of a lot longer than you on NS.

Common courtesy is all I ask-if you can't suffice, then stop responding to my posts, por favor. Or I'll flame yours back.

It's all in good fun anyways. I can understand what you're getting at. I'll lay off.

First off, the whole current date thing. There is no set date, everyone's RPing style is different and I don't want to infringe on that by making them comform to some sort of RP style they don't like. Everyone is responsible for keeping track of their own date. For instance, if you decide to produce more tanks, you are responsible for choosing how long it will take and at what rate to produce said tanks and for updating periodically. If you want to set a date fine but I won't for the simple reason that fluid time works best. Hell if you want to have a uniform calendar then things such as my conference with the Balkan Union would have taken almost a year.

Second off, technology. Try to restrain yourselves, I know Ion Cannons may sound cool but does anyone here honestly think that within five years we will be producion tanks with ion cannons on them? The US Army doesn't think so and that's the most advanced fighting force in the world. Lasers are one thing, such as the Air Force's project to put a laser on a 747 to shoot down ICBM's, but ion cannons are considerable larger. Plus keep in mind that if you want to put those things into space you also have to RP the development of a space program since only the US, Brazil and China have an indigenous space program, however many countries in Europe can claim to have their own since one or more of their claimed countries is part of the ESA.

Ak-108's, see Kopparberg's post above, I've already responded.

Finally, if you guys want to get a hold of me TG's aren't the best way, I have the forums bookmarked so I usually go straight to the forums without visiting NS itself.


Agreed; and don't forget Japan have a space program too; as do Russia. but yeah anything in space would need the development of a space program; and weapons in space a signifant amount. though I'd imagine some kind of Microwave beam or laser would work better than an ion Cannon for our MT/Low PMT earth. Progress should be allowed but nothing too radical; and new developments should have at least OOCly stated Strength and weaknesses. no technoly is perfect. even if we break it down to say Tank armour. you can make armour pretty damn near invunerable to one thing but by doing so you'd increase its vunerablitys to somethin else ten fold; The German Tiger Tank in WWII was the best tank of the Era; but it had a big weakness on the rear weapons magazine if I remember right. so ICly you can make it look great if your trying to sell it and make it out to be 'perfect' but OOCly acknowledge it has weaknesses and RP as such often people don't know the weaknesses until someone strikes them. I'm sure we'll find the F-22 has problems if it ever sees actual combat. Cost is also another thing to factor in both for reserach and production.

as for Date: the whole different lengths of time passing for different people could cause problems...but Fluid time works best for RPs.

To all people!!!!!


STOP MAKING ONE POST CONQUESTS!

It's not a conquest if you take it in one move. Even in chess, you have to make at least four moves before you win the game (and only if the other guy is that stupid); why should war be any different?

Well, four moves in total, but only two moves from each side.

Although I 'conquered' Svalbard in about two posts, the main part of the thread was the setting up the cool base part, and also, in RL, Svalbard technically belongs to Norway (my claim) so it's like a colony/dependancy.

Guess no one likes Germans. Sigh, I knew it. Start a couple of World Wars and suddenly the world wants nothing to do with you...

Wait a minute...does this mean the RSFSR can get rods of god? YES!!

Wait a minute...does this mean the RSFSR can get rods of god? YES!!

After about 15 years of Development yes.

Well, four moves in total, but only two moves from each side.

haha `_`

the point is don't skirt the work; besides, 4 moves requires a response too.

But anyway, if you claimed it, I don't care. If you're attacking it, don't cheat everyone else off, otherwise I could do the following:

"The Han Empire has developed a new technology that shields its citizens from nuclear attack completely, so it launches all of its nukes and conquers the world. Have a nice day!"

(1) It's not nice;
(2) It offers no one else any opportunity to react;
(3) It's unrealistic to assume that the conquest of even small states will be easy;
(4) And it's not going to make any of us like you any better ICly.

Guess no one likes Germans. Sigh, I knew it. Start a couple of World Wars and suddenly the world wants nothing to do with you...

We were gonna buy Eurofighters; We went with the F-23 instead though; our money wasn't good enough for the germans ;)

I'm just going on what I know they cost. Provide with a link that proves they cost less then 120 Million and I'll lower the price to 95 Million. Sound fair?

So do I get those rods of god? I mean in the 80's they researched it...

No

You heard the man, stop this sillyness right now.

So do I get those rods of god? I mean in the 80's they researched it...

No

Hmmm, if you want business, you should try offering it for less, as long as your corporations can afford it. It's only worth what you are willing to sell and he is willing pay for it.

Fine, if he's so adamant about it. I'll sell them to him for 90 Million apiece. But he shouldn't expect to get them very soon, as most of their production goes directly to me.

I'm just going on what I know they cost. Provide with a link that proves they cost less then 120 Million and I'll lower the price to 95 Million. Sound fair?

Hmmm, if you want business, you should try offering it for less, as long as your corporations can afford it. It's only worth what you are willing to sell and he is willing pay for it.

I'm just going on what I know they cost. Provide with a link that proves they cost less then 120 Million and I'll lower the price to 95 Million. Sound fair?

actually I checked the usual places; Fas, Global securty, Wiki and can't find any price listing for the EF-2000; the only thing I do know is that my goverment (UK) is selling 72 of them to the Saudi's for £2.2 billion pounds. so I devide that by the number of units and came up with £35 million a peice which is around 60 odd million USD; the F-22 costs 92 million a peice and thats more advanced than the EF.

show me a link where it costs 125 million?


We're going for the Northrop F-23 anyway but I'd like to see your sources

Edit:
as for god Rods :P personally I'd think it'd be instersting if RP'ed but I don't think the US or Han would like it so you mind end up with a nuclear war over it but you could use it as a bargening tool for things much like the Iranians are using there nuke program but I doubt WP will allow it

2nd Edit:
Daehanjeiguk: Any idea when your thread will be finished so we can make our proposal?

I really doubt they cost 35 Million a piece. If you want Eurofighters I am selling them for 90 Million, unless you want to go through and try and develope the YF-23.

I really doubt they cost 35 Million a piece. If you want Eurofighters I am selling them for 90 Million, unless you want to go through and try and develope the YF-23.

35 million UK Pounds = $67.5 milion USD.
At Current Exchange rates. but you said we won't get them any time soon; and really the F-23 has very little that needs fixing on it; the Drop loader needs som fixing, maybe update the Electronics to at least modern F/A-18 Standards and we'd be quite happy with it. the F-22 was better cos of the Thrust Vectoring but the F-23 is a fine aircraft with not very much wrong with it at all.

2nd Edit:
Daehanjeiguk: Any idea when your thread will be finished so we can make our proposal?

I am almost done with the superficial posts - I still have to do price for a lot of the items, but I'll do that later, when I have an idea of what people want to pay for that stuff, among other things.

^_^

I'll edit this post with an update later.

UPDATE - It is open for minimal business; there are still things that need to be worked out, but I can deal with it until I have the time to work with it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519727

haha `_`

the point is don't skirt the work; besides, 4 moves requires a response too.

But anyway, if you claimed it, I don't care. If you're attacking it, don't cheat everyone else off, otherwise I could do the following:

"The Han Empire has developed a new technology that shields its citizens from nuclear attack completely, so it launches all of its nukes and conquers the world. Have a nice day!"

(1) It's not nice;
(2) It offers no one else any opportunity to react;
(3) It's unrealistic to assume that the conquest of even small states will be easy;
(4) And it's not going to make any of us like you any better ICly.


I'm not cheating everyone else off-I'm simply causing much suspicion about what I could possible be doing inside a cave with blast doors on an island in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. Ion cannons, I agree, are out of the question, it was more of a passing thought. Tesla tech is a big maybe-maybe. But everything else is a possiblity for me to RP - which I've already done so to an extent. The taking over of Svalbard, like, the actual invasion, is not the main point in the thread. It's mosly people's reactions and decisions on my secret military base on Svalbard. Right now, it's mostly Granate and me RPing, but if anyone wants to join in, whether to support me, or denounce my government and demand to know what I'm doing in my cave, just some kind of reaction to me researching some kind of cool/dangerous technology.

i don't want to seem like bumping, but we should consider trimming the number of people have listed as active, because the number of the front page is not respect of the present circumstances.

Well, let's see........the Union of the People's and Worker's States, Brazil, Psychotika, Gauthic, and then some general people who did or didn't get their claims, etc. I'm surprised that there is still so much territory left to claim...

i don't want to seem like bumping, but we should consider trimming the number of people have listed as active, because the number of the front page is not respect of the present circumstances.

Do what you want. I'll do what I want. Everybody happy, yes?

Do what you want. I'll do what I want. Everybody happy, yes?

Dude; you gave us a price; we thought it was too high, we went somwhere else; happens in RL all the time. no need to get upity.

I mean, I don't care. You do what you want, I do what I want. We all happy?

I mean, I don't care. You do what you want, I do what I want. We all happy?

Of course I'm happy. The psychiatrist helped, though.

I'm not cheating everyone else off-I'm simply causing much suspicion about what I could possible be doing inside a cave with blast doors on an island in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. Ion cannons, I agree, are out of the question, it was more of a passing thought. Tesla tech is a big maybe-maybe. But everything else is a possiblity for me to RP - which I've already done so to an extent. The taking over of Svalbard, like, the actual invasion, is not the main point in the thread. It's mosly people's reactions and decisions on my secret military base on Svalbard. Right now, it's mostly Granate and me RPing, but if anyone wants to join in, whether to support me, or denounce my government and demand to know what I'm doing in my cave, just some kind of reaction to me researching some kind of cool/dangerous technology.

I hope to clarify my statement:

If you already claimed it, I don't care. It's supposed to be a part of your territory IRL, so you can choose to do with it as you please. Svalbard is a territory of Norway - one of your constituent states. If you were moving out into the United Kingdom and did the same as you did with Svalbard - I'd be very upset; more so because it's a bigger and more well-equipped state than Svalbard would be comparatively, but also because it wouldn't allow others to reply to your invasion and have a solid opinion on the invasion itself. The current thread about Swaziland was about to fall to the same trap, until people stopped to complain about it - and I took up the defense of Swaziland (absolving my Han response completely in doing so). There is a similar issue with the conquest in Bhutan, with which I am most upset because that territory is next to mine, and although I wasn't anticipating having to do anything about it, my state never received any notification of the invasion until after it was committed, it received no impetus for India's purpose in the invasion, and given the relative lack of depth, I don't think that my state would have liked it. That's my protest - so I wasn't specifically targeting you; in fact, you weren't even my target audience, although the truth is that this does apply to everyone. One post conquests are plainly inconsiderate to others and to the RPing opportunities in which others can partake.

I was wondering if I should put German Peace-keepers in Swaziland. That would show them.

I need a plan to take Greece.

o.o;;

I need a plan to take Greece.

o.o;;

Fake a Greek Terrorist Attack. Cover it up well enough and most won't mind.

I hope to clarify my statement:

If you already claimed it, I don't care. It's supposed to be a part of your territory IRL, so you can choose to do with it as you please. Svalbard is a territory of Norway - one of your constituent states. If you were moving out into the United Kingdom and did the same as you did with Svalbard - I'd be very upset; more so because it's a bigger and more well-equipped state than Svalbard would be comparatively, but also because it wouldn't allow others to reply to your invasion and have a solid opinion on the invasion itself. The current thread about Swaziland was about to fall to the same trap, until people stopped to complain about it - and I took up the defense of Swaziland (absolving my Han response completely in doing so). There is a similar issue with the conquest in Bhutan, with which I am most upset because that territory is next to mine, and although I wasn't anticipating having to do anything about it, my state never received any notification of the invasion until after it was committed, it received no impetus for India's purpose in the invasion, and given the relative lack of depth, I don't think that my state would have liked it. That's my protest - so I wasn't specifically targeting you; in fact, you weren't even my target audience, although the truth is that this does apply to everyone. One post conquests are plainly inconsiderate to others and to the RPing opportunities in which others can partake.

I agree with you that the Bhutan conquest was a little short...just to clarify, and also what you said: "One-post-conquests" aren't cool because they simply aren't fun. It's mostly because they're almost like godmodding, but also, there's a thrill in typing up long and elaborate plans of how to takeover a country, of consulting with other nations to cease-fire, payment to delay wars, etc. If conquering the world is your objective, it's a pretty much huge task in RL, so make a big commitment to it in the RP. I mean, it's okay to takeover Bhutan or Swaziland or something like that, as long as you give it time and effort. If you make it really quick like that, it doesn't give time for other countries to talk on it, prepare for war, take sides, etc. Usually, what I would do, is start of a conquest with the deployment or readying of forces, or sending messages to countries about 'imminent war' or something like that-it's up to you. Then, give it time to observe the reactions of countries around the world, then make your move depending on those reactions, etc. It shouldn't be a "Today, The Empire of Nation A invaded Nation B with several thousand troops. Although there was some resistance, Nation B's troops were quickly dispatched and the country taken over." For example, Candistan (RSFSR) is crushing a rebellion, and post by post, world reaction by world reaction, slowly increasing hostility, increasing brutality, the Precious Cargo thread is interesting becuase it has a developing storyline with several nations involved. Not that that's the only thread that is interesting - they all are, but try to make these RP's last, and try to get a lot of nations involved, because it's generally more fun that way.

EDIT:
I am NOT pointing out any posters, only the threads, since they were the only SYAE threads that had conquests in them so far. These are my views on what I think RPing should kind of be, and it's for everyone in general. Again, these are my personal views on it, not strictly forum rules.

His Imperial Majesty hereby ordains Candistan's thread "Precious Cargo" as a model for future conquests, even though it itself is not a conquest.

Seconded.

OH: Dae; check your Imperial contracts thread.

I agree with you that the Bhutan conquest was a little short...just to clarify, and also what you said: "One-post-conquests" aren't cool because they simply aren't fun. It's mostly because they're almost like godmodding, but also, there's a thrill in typing up long and elaborate plans of how to takeover a country, of consulting with other nations to cease-fire, payment to delay wars, etc. If conquering the world is your objective, it's a pretty much huge task in RL, so make a big commitment to it in the RP. I mean, it's okay to takeover Bhutan or Swaziland or something like that, as long as you give it time and effort. If you make it really quick like that, it doesn't give time for other countries to talk on it, prepare for war, take sides, etc. Usually, what I would do, is start of a conquest with the deployment or readying of forces, or sending messages to countries about 'imminent war' or something like that-it's up to you. Then, give it time to observe the reactions of countries around the world, then make your move depending on those reactions, etc. It shouldn't be a "Today, The Empire of Nation A invaded Nation B with several thousand troops. Although there was some resistance, Nation B's troops were quickly dispatched and the country taken over." For example, Candistan (RSFSR) is crushing a rebellion, and post by post, world reaction by world reaction, slowly increasing hostility, increasing brutality, the Precious Cargo thread is interesting becuase it has a developing storyline with several nations involved. Not that that's the only thread that is interesting - they all are, but try to make these RP's last, and try to get a lot of nations involved, because it's generally more fun that way.

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I am NOT pointing out any posters, only the threads, since they were the only SYAE threads that had conquests in them so far. These are my views on what I think RPing should kind of be, and it's for everyone in general. Again, these are my personal views on it, not strictly forum rules.

His Imperial Majesty hereby ordains Candistan's thread "Precious Cargo" as a model for future conquests, even though it itself is not a conquest.

No one is going to comment on my idea for a Peace-keeping mission in Swaziland? Funny, I thought everyone would have an opinion on that.

No one is going to comment on my idea for a Peace-keeping mission in Swaziland? Funny, I thought everyone would have an opinion on that.

Do it and see :P

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but here's my rules on technology: give me an RL source and I'll allow it so long as your sources can show the fesability of the technology. This includes Rods from God or whatever it is called. On that same note though I have this to say: There's a reason the program never got off the ground, we just can't put free falling object from outer space any closer than 100 miles of its intended target consistenly. Too many factors are at play, knowing the exact moment to release the rods, air resistance, wind speed and direction, so many things. However if you can prove the program is fesable, you have the financial resources to support it, and the will power go for it.

BTW, it's Spring Break right now and I'm at home because that stupid blizzard that hit wednesday and lasted till saturday morning ruined my plans, so I'm using a crappy computer and not that much, hence why I might seem to be a little slow to respond. Things should be back to normal by monday.

AK-108, your claim is approved.

To ask can I have ten of these just for the purpose of them escorting the royal family and not for combat save in a last stand or something of the like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-23

On the issue of the F-23.

Either Carloginia is gonna have to RP the final development of the program, pretty hard since both prototypes are in museums, or you will have to buy rights to the air craft from Carloginia and finish the development yourself, either way you are looking at five years minimum before it can enter production.

On the issue of the F-23.

Either Carloginia is gonna have to RP the final development of the program, pretty hard since both prototypes are in museums, or you will have to buy rights to the air craft from Carloginia and finish the development yourself, either way you are looking at five years minimum before it can enter production.Ohh... at least I get to make T-90s on my own.:p

Do it and see :P

ditto - nothing happens if you don't make it happen.

On the issue of the F-23.

Either Carloginia is gonna have to RP the final development of the program, pretty hard since both prototypes are in museums, or you will have to buy rights to the air craft from Carloginia and finish the development yourself, either way you are looking at five years minimum before it can enter production.

Like we've done; though really. it wouldn't take five years if Carloginia is producing them as is and we're upgrading as they come in 6 at a time we could have them viable almost right away as there is very very little wrong with them. The racked missile loader needs fixing and maybe an electronics upgrade the aircraft was bult with "take out and replace" parts in mind and who's to say that in -this- verson of america the plane wasn't finished ? we'vee got a Soviet union that never fell; Comunists in spain; Koreans in China; who's to say the F-23 was never fixed other than Carloginia. Boeing/Mcdonnall tweaked the F-23 not to fix its flaws (of which there were few) but to try and turn it into a mid range bomber not beacue the craft was flawed or had major problems it dosn't. an F-22 would still own it because of the thrust vectoring but that dosn't make it a bad or flawed fighter that needs fixing before being put into production if you take that approach every fighter on earth is flawed and shouldn't be produced anymore because the F-22A is better than most if not all of them including the Eurofighter. but if you absolutely want us to RP fixing it up fine; but we're talking months not years here as there is very little to fix; we're not looking to have a figher that can out perform an F-22 we're looking for a fighter that can out perform our neighbours.

Most experts agree that the F-23 was the better aircraft; and I have Aircraft Enthiasts and friends inthe airforce that have seen something that looks very simular to an F-23 operating in noth england as a test aircraft and I trust them over Wiki anyday; so who's to say if the program was never finished?

You know, if you want a good fighter jet, I have plentey JAS 39 Gripen's here in Sweden.

Can I have bangladesh? Since it is affiliated with pakistan. It makes since. No more no less. :)

Can I have bangladesh? Since it is affiliated with pakistan. It makes since. No more no less. :)
You'll have to go to war with India (The Scandinvans) over Bangladesh as it's a part of his empire. Take a look at the map.

You know, if you want a good fighter jet, I have plentey JAS 39 Gripen's here in Sweden.

If you got any good ground attack fighter bombers I may take you up on that in five IC years when we're done paying for the F-23's :) though depending on price we mighter order some right away..wiki confuses me on price..how much you willing to sell them for?

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Gripen)

45-50 million USD

You know, if you want a good fighter jet, I have plentey JAS 39 Gripen's here in Sweden.

I'll probaly be your way soon enough, unless I contract out some Sukhois from Candistan.

I'll probaly be your way soon enough, unless I contract out some Sukhois from Candistan.

Might enguire as to where your factbook is?

Might enguire as to where your factbook is?

Still working :P

That's why I haven't bought anything yet.

I see, I am right in understanding you don't want your military to be just a bunch men with AKs, correct? Well, we can't let that happen now can we.I have feeling you and I are going to become very good business partners.

I see, I am right in understanding you don't want your military to be just a bunch men with AKs, correct? Well, we can't let that happen now can we.I have feeling you and I are going to become very good business partners.

I'm looking to revamp my military (and other sections of my nation)-but I'm not directly in pursuit of the F-22 or Eurofighter stuff just yet (or if so, in limited quantities). I'll probaly be starting a bit lower on the totem poll (working with the Panavia Tornado a bit, perhaps...had my eye on that for a potential big role in ground attack) rather than jump right in to the big pot.

I do manufacture Panavia Tornados, although they are being Phased out as Typhoons enter service. I could sell you them as a way to phase them out.

That sounds like a pretty good plan to me...but don't lock me down for it yet. I first have to figure out what my nation actually has in military assets already first (probaly not much, but I know Algeria has some Russian stuff...).

I do manufacture Panavia Tornados, although they are being Phased out as Typhoons enter service. I could sell you them as a way to phase them out.

To note I shall reply tommorrow as I am busy right now.

I'll probaly be your way soon enough, unless I contract out some Sukhois from Candistan.

Need an order?

I'll probaly be your way soon enough, unless I contract out some Sukhois from Candistan.

I'm sure I can provide you with what you need. We have many to spare right now, already built, so shipping can begin immediately.

I'm sure I can provide you with what you need. We have many to spare right now, already built, so shipping can begin immediately.

NO! The RSFSR has MORE!

NO! The RSFSR has MORE!

And then there's the question of quality...

And then there's the question of quality...

Han equipment - cheaper than American, better than Russian :D (a stereotype, but nonetheless a good slogan ^_^)

Han equipment - cheaper than American, better than Russian :D (a stereotype, but nonetheless a good slogan ^_^)

:rolleyes:

Once again on the issue of the F-23.

You have to develop the damn aircraft!!!!!!!!!!

The only two prototypes of the aircraft are sitting in museums with their engines and most of their avionics removed. First you would have to build a couple of test aircraft, then you have to start flight testing, finding and correcting any flaws (and don't try to tell me there won't be, it happens with every aircraft, even the F-22), further testing, combat simulations (1 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2, 1 vs. 4, etc.) testing the weapons systems, etc. Only then can you start to build and sell the aircarft. Five years, no ifs ands or buts about it. The aircraft was scrapped, development cancelled, Boeing fiddled with the design but never went and further.

Now, on that note, my comp at home took a dump on me, I have no internet access there, I'm currently at a library using a glorified typewriter. I expect to have no more questions about F-23, I've said the same thing over and over and over again, I can not be any clearer I don't think.

Once again on the issue of the F-23.

You have to develop the damn aircraft!!!!!!!!!!

The only two prototypes of the aircraft are sitting in museums with their engines and most of their avionics removed. First you would have to build a couple of test aircraft, then you have to start flight testing, finding and correcting any flaws (and don't try to tell me there won't be, it happens with every aircraft, even the F-22), further testing, combat simulations (1 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2, 1 vs. 4, etc.) testing the weapons systems, etc. Only then can you start to build and sell the aircarft. Five years, no ifs ands or buts about it. The aircraft was scrapped, development cancelled, Boeing fiddled with the design but never went and further.

Now, on that note, my comp at home took a dump on me, I have no internet access there, I'm currently at a library using a glorified typewriter. I expect to have no more questions about F-23, I've said the same thing over and over and over again, I can not be any clearer I don't think.

Thank you for that. *Makes a note to never develop a Fighter*
Tanks are pretty easy to design. Just update the armor, electronics, cannon, and engine and you've got yourself a pretty good tank. The Leopard 3 will pretty much just be a supped-up Leopard 2.

You'll have to go to war with India (The Scandinvans) over Bangladesh as it's a part of his empire. Take a look at the map.

Speaking of the map... WHY HAVE YOU NOT ADDED MY NATION TO IT EH? WHY ARE YOU NOT FINISHED! AGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!1111111shift!!!!11!1111!!!
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Speaking of the map... WHY HAVE YOU NOT ADDED MY NATION TO IT EH? WHY ARE YOU NOT FINISHED! AGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!1111111shift!!!!11!1111!!!
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Huh?!?

Try and press F5 (reload) when you're looking at the map. I added your nation a couple of days ago. Look at the date in the upper left corner, it should read 3/7/07.

Huh?!?

Try and press F5 (reload) when you're looking at the map. I added your nation a couple of days ago. Look at the date in the upper left corner, it should read 3/7/07.

Ezaltia left a week ago I think. You may edit accordingly

Ezaltia left a week ago I think. You may edit accordingly
Thanks! I've updated the map again, but I realize that I forgot to update the date in the corner...

Ezaltia left a week ago I think. You may edit accordingly

It would be cool if somebody could fill that spot. I would have someone to compete with :p

do you guys have any territory left?

Of the aircraft/military wares debate that I got going last page (:D)

I'll make a detailed IC post in the IC thread soon enough (after I figure out West Africa's current supplies), then let the major military sellers (Candistan, Granate, Futuris, Han...whoever else wants to sell if it's decent) promote their goods.
I'll leave my post open-ended, as to get word out to all corners of the globe.

Once again on the issue of the F-23.

You have to develop the damn aircraft!!!!!!!!!!

The only two prototypes of the aircraft are sitting in museums with their engines and most of their avionics removed. First you would have to build a couple of test aircraft, then you have to start flight testing, finding and correcting any flaws (and don't try to tell me there won't be, it happens with every aircraft, even the F-22), further testing, combat simulations (1 vs. 1, 1 vs. 2, 1 vs. 4, etc.) testing the weapons systems, etc. Only then can you start to build and sell the aircarft. Five years, no ifs ands or buts about it. The aircraft was scrapped, development cancelled, Boeing fiddled with the design but never went and further.

Now, on that note, my comp at home took a dump on me, I have no internet access there, I'm currently at a library using a glorified typewriter. I expect to have no more questions about F-23, I've said the same thing over and over and over again, I can not be any clearer I don't think.

Which if you actually bothered to read my last but one IC post; you'd see were doing 6 at a time :rolleyes: ; Boeing supply the frames; engines etc; we're doing the electronics to at least F/A-18 Standard (with our own electronics rathre than using the american)

And Boeing DID most of that when they were developing for the ATF program and yes it does have flaws particually the internal weapons bays and if you saw my post you'd see we're fixing that too. Yes it was scraped; no it was not an X Craft; they tinkered with it to make it the FB-23; obviously you think they just throw specs away when a project gets canceled...

and theres no need to use stupidly large font; I read your posts; I get what your saying. I think your wrong and your position is Inane given the changes we've made to the world. lets put this into simple terms since you obviously seem to skim my posts; instead of reading and digesting before replying.

F/YF = Developed enough to put into production with little effort
X = Experimental, needs lots of work to be put into production or tech demo aircraft

do you guys have any territory left?

Lots. Like Canada. Or Greenland. Or the UK. You know, it's up to you, check out the world map on the first page to see what's still available.

EDIT: Welcome to NS :p

Which if you actually bothered to read my last but one IC post; you'd see were doing 6 at a time :rolleyes: ; Boeing supply the frames; engines etc; we're doing the electronics to at least F/A-18 Standard (with our own electronics rathre than using the american)

And Boeing DID most of that when they were developing for the ATF program and yes it does have flaws particually the internal weapons bays and if you saw my post you'd see we're fixing that too. Yes it was scraped; no it was not an X Craft; they tinkered with it to make it the FB-23; obviously you think they just throw specs away when a project gets canceled...

and theres no need to use stupidly large font; I read your posts; I get what your saying. I think your wrong and your position is Inane given the changes we've made to the world. lets put this into simple terms since you obviously seem to skim my posts; instead of reading and digesting before replying.

F/YF = Developed enough to put into production with little effort
X = Experimental, needs lots of work to be put into production or tech demo aircraft

If I may add my input, I think that it is plausible to accept a possible fighter aircraft that was given the red tape (I think that's the idiom) some time ago. I have very little qualms in having the F-23 become a real aircraft in this RP - just as long as we don't make it supernatural or construct 1000 in one year, because a lot of the aspects are indeed alternative history, so to say that while we can edit the history of the world to some large degree but unable to accommodate the fate of one fighter aircraft project is somewhat unreasonable in my view.

However, I do not think that Animarnia should be able to produce them in his own country, because it would not have happened. I think the current route - that Carloginias can produce (if he chooses to do so) the aircraft and sell them to Animarnia or help Animarnia be able to produce his own - is the best alternative, considering the set standards already employed and my own desire not to make this too outrageous (outrageous being all countries have space rods and landing colonies on the moon in 2010, et cetera). I hope that this is agreeable; if not, well, I've given my opinion about this ordeal so it's out for people to chew.

I consider Godrods outrageous on their own, but that's just me (use them against me and I'll return very bad news for your population).

Anyway, my two cents:

If we can utilize 2012 assets, than I fully believe the F-23 should be able to be produced. I think yes, some time should go into reinvigorating the program, but that should certainly be reduced from the normal time it takes to develop an aircraft-more like one year to 18 months, because Boeing already has the general plans, supplies, etc., to produce the F-23s-it would be a matter of production and shipping after that, which would follow the line of the F-22 or Eurofighter pretty closely.

In my opinion, godrods are more of a 7-year old's crayon drawing (albeit a violently imaginative 7-year old) ideas than a reality. I mean, the godrod can only get so big before it's too big to carry up there, and if it can't be super super super huge, what if it misses? Plus, getting one godrod up there would be very, very expensive. My views on it.

As for the argument of the F-23.........I think that it would be much, much, much easier if whoever wants those F-23's to shrug at all the effort that WP says will involve in getting them produced, and purchasing my JAS-39 Gripen's, which are already in production, and shipping can begin immediately. And I might eventually start research on improving the Gripen, who knows.

@Granate: I made a post on the Svalbard thread, I didn't know if you noticed. Although you can't do much except take the information in somehow, there is still the matter of Cave 3...

Animarnia, I just can not be any clearer with you. If you want F-23's either yourself or America will have to RP the further development and testing of the aircraft. There was a 14 year gap between choosing the F-22 over the F-23 and the F-22 finally entering service, by that margin I am being generous in saying it would only take five years to get the F-23 into full production.

Now enough of this damn argument.

If I may add my input, I think that it is plausible to accept a possible fighter aircraft that was given the red tape (I think that's the idiom) some time ago. I have very little qualms in having the F-23 become a real aircraft in this RP - just as long as we don't make it supernatural or construct 1000 in one year, because a lot of the aspects are indeed alternative history, so to say that while we can edit the history of the world to some large degree but unable to accommodate the fate of one fighter aircraft project is somewhat unreasonable in my view.

However, I do not think that Animarnia should be able to produce them in his own country, because it would not have happened. I think the current route - that Carloginias can produce (if he chooses to do so) the aircraft and sell them to Animarnia or help Animarnia be able to produce his own - is the best alternative, considering the set standards already employed and my own desire not to make this too outrageous (outrageous being all countries have space rods and landing colonies on the moon in 2010, et cetera). I hope that this is agreeable; if not, well, I've given my opinion about this ordeal so it's out for people to chew.

Dae: Oh I don't mind Godrods; because
1) there completely inaccurate; you just can't control something going from freefall orbit to groud with accuracy; so you'd never hit what you want to anyway.
2) the power isn't that great anyway; you'd probably get less than a Standard Bunker Buster behind it in penitrator power if we're based those principles in real life rigidly. NS god rods are a different kettle of fish but really we'd be talking 2020-2030 which is way out of the scope of this RP.

So let them spend there money on Godrods that can be shot down by Pegasus missiles and don't work properly anyway.

as for the F-23's I agree with you; given the other changes we've made to the world for the sake of story and RP sealing the fate of one fighter jet in stone seems Inane. we were buying them off Cal we're not producing them in house; I've presented a logical and reasonable argument if WP wants to stick his fingers in his ears and repeat 'la la la I'm not listening' fair enough; I've PMed Cal about a posable solution hopefully he'll get back to me; and I doubt he will spend much time Rping here; as far as I've seen he hasn't even flinched over the Genocide in Chechynia so the chance of Cal Rping 5 years of delopment are slim to none.

WP: Did you say you were going to make that new EU topic? If so make it :D

If not D: I'll get around to it.

I'm not ignoring you, Animarnia, to my knowledge I have read every word you have written on this topic and America's factbook about the F-23, my point is that you are ignoring several years of development that took place with the F-22 and claiming that the F-23 is such an awesome aircraft that it doesn't need those years of fine tuning.

BTW, this isn't the only thing I've been a stickler for, remember that guy who quit because I wouldn't let him have Ion Drives? Remember how I told several people they didn't have Abrams tanks or F-22's because they had not made a deal with America and did not possess those items in RL? You think I am being an ass on this one issue and picking on you, I say I am being just as much of an ass to everyone, you just keep trying to move forward and pretend I said "Sure, you can have F-23's."

14 years, that's how much development there was on the F-22 between it being chosen over the F-23 and the F-22 entering service with the US Air Force. I'm offering to drop that down to five years for an aircraft just as revolutionary and therefore just as needful of testing.

Jaredcohonia, no I won't be making any new topics in the next couple days, I've spent the last two days trying to fix my mom's computer and won't be heading back to school till sunday. Hopefully on Monday things should return to normal. Until then my replies will be short and to the point.

I'm not ignoring you, Animarnia, to my knowledge I have read every word you have written on this topic and America's factbook about the F-23, my point is that you are ignoring several years of development that took place with the F-22 and claiming that the F-23 is such an awesome aircraft that it doesn't need those years of fine tuning.

BTW, this isn't the only thing I've been a stickler for, remember that guy who quit because I wouldn't let him have Ion Drives? Remember how I told several people they didn't have Abrams tanks or F-22's because they had not made a deal with America and did not possess those items in RL? You think I am being an ass on this one issue and picking on you, I say I am being just as much of an ass to everyone, you just keep trying to move forward and pretend I said "Sure, you can have F-23's."

14 years, that's how much development there was on the F-22 between it being chosen over the F-23 and the F-22 entering service with the US Air Force. I'm offering to drop that down to five years for an aircraft just as revolutionary and therefore just as needful of testing.

Jaredcohonia, no I won't be making any new topics in the next couple days, I've spent the last two days trying to fix my mom's computer and won't be heading back to school till sunday. Hopefully on Monday things should return to normal. Until then my replies will be short and to the point.

I'm not saying "OMGZ I WANT F-23's cos there so awsoomze"; I know we won't be taking on F-22's anytime soon. I know and acknowledge the aircraft has flaws or obiously Boeing wouldn't have lost the contract. but Icly' we don't care about those as to the collective us even flawed the craft is better than what we have and better than our neighbours; will it lead to fuck ups? almost certainly. and Yes I Know the F-22 took 14 years to enter service but that was primarily because the US Airforce kept moving the goal post for 11 of those. everytime Lockheed got it the way the USAF said they wanted it. the airforce would change what they wanted.

Both the F-22 and the F-23 could have gone into production right then back in the 90's as they'd already gone through there X Skunkworks phase to the point tweaking was minimal as AB has said; a Year to 18 months tops would have been enough and given that they've had 14 years to privately play around with the desgn outside of the public eye or completeing for contracts its reasonable to say they might have got it to a point that its a valid aircraft that could be produced if someone ordered it. I'm not ignoring your positon and pretending you said yes; I'm proving a reasonable, logical counter argument to your positon.

Ion Engines were without doubt (out side of Alien intervention) far out of our reach for 2012, people claiming to have production rights to the Abrams and F-22 without buying them from the US equally so. and I belive I was the one that supported your positon on the development time for a new fighter but a new fighter is not going back and looking at a potentially finished design and ordering some from that countrys factories; just because it wasn't good enough for the US dosn't mean its not good enough for us. and I doubt Cal will spend 5 years ICtime RPing its develipment unless he can use fluid time becaue he's just not active enough for that.

if the Russians claimed they finished the Mig 1.44 or the Su-47 or the Black Eagle Tank; I'd support them; maybe the real russia didn't but they could have and the real russia hasn't had two nuclear bombs go off there either and probably wouldn't be stupid enough to let that happen in real life but we don't debate that do we? we just take that as it happened because this isn't RL this is NS.

Theres a lot we could have if we'd spent the money on it and other things hadn't taken priority. back in the 80's british scientists wanted to experiment with Maglev; the project was deemed too expensive and canned; Britans domestic Fusion project Canned; American ETC tank guns, canned in favour of the Smoothbore because ETC was deemed to expensive; changing the fate of projected that could have been seems reasonable in the context of NS

I could have just said; we started a nuclear weapons program given the buttload of uranium we're sitting on but I thought we'd take the higher road; enhancing and increasing our coventional weapons looking back I probably should have just said "We go for nukzors" it would have caused less problems,

The Amazonian Beast have put out a good compromise but I don't know if Cal has the time for it.

Attention

I've updated the first post in the General IC-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958), and it now doubles as a list of IC-threads for SYAE (the other one was never updated, hope you don't mind, WP).

If I've missed a thread, please notify me either here (prefered) or in the General IC-thread.

The Amazonian Beast have put out a good compromise but I don't know if Cal has the time for it.
Invade USA, steal the technology and finish it!
*Huh* Not an option? Chicken!

Invade USA, steal the technology and finish it!
*Huh* Not an option? Chicken!

Cal probably wouldn't respond either way....

Attention

I've updated the first post in the General IC-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958), and it now doubles as a list of IC-threads for SYAE (the other one was never updated, hope you don't mind, WP).

If I've missed a thread, please notify me either here (prefered) or in the General IC-thread.

My Svalbard thread...

Invade USA, steal the technology and finish it!
*Huh* Not an option? Chicken!

if I could get Cal on long enough to RP out a special forces raid and do that I'd seriously consider it. course if I could get Cal online long enough to Rp that I'd probably not need to raid it in the first place *le sigh*

if I could get Cal on long enough to RP out a special forces raid and do that I'd seriously consider it. course if I could get Cal online long enough to Rp that I'd probably not need to raid it in the first place *le sigh*
Well, you're right of course...

Futurs, I've added your Svalbard-thread.

Well, you're right of course...

Futurs, I've added your Svalbard-thread.

Thanks.

Not trying to be an ass or anything, but....if I had the economic, technological, political, and military power of the United States, I would very well do something with it. I understand that Carloginias may be having a bad time, or can't get on or something, but still. It would be funny if someone invaded him.

Thanks.

Not trying to be an ass or anything, but....if I had the economic, technological, political, and military power of the United States, I would very well do something with it. I understand that Carloginias may be having a bad time, or can't get on or something, but still. It would be funny if someone invaded him.

Aye well the fact he's done nothing about the Russians genocide of Chechynia or said anyhing about the nuke going off amuses me in of itself..

@Granate: I made a post on the Svalbard thread, I didn't know if you noticed. Although you can't do much except take the information in somehow, there is still the matter of Cave 3...

I know, friday was hecktic for me. Mostly because of one thing, 300. I have seen it and it is Epic.

It's okay. I wish I could see 300.....although I have seen Epic Movie. :p

I want to see 300.

Was it madness?

I know, friday was hecktic for me. Mostly because of one thing, 300. I have seen it and it is Epic.

It's okay. I wish I could see 300.....although I have seen an Epic Movie. :p

I want to see 300.

Was it madness?

Madness? This is SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Madness? This is SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

The trailer looks awesome.

Can it be....:eek: Carloginias is online!!!! *covers up suggestion to invasion*

*Declares war on the CSA*

*Invades the Low Countries*

*Declares war on the CSA*

This'll be interesting.... *Buys popcorn*

"Low Countries"?

Wiki it.

*Invades the Low Countries*

"Low Countries"?

Wiki it.

Ahhh....well, there's one way to get rid of inactive people....no offense, inactive people.

So long as you can ignore all the BS 300 was a good movie. Myself being a history major, I felt that the producers took an amazing story and turned it into shit, not one mention of the fact that the Athenian navy fought off a Persian navy several times its size, the last stand was crap too.

So long as you can ignore all the BS 300 was a good movie. Myself being a history major, I felt that the producers took an amazing story and turned it into shit, not one mention of the fact that the Athenian navy fought off a Persian navy several times its size, the last stand was crap too.

I try not to watch that sort of stuff - too much action, not enough thought.


And we need to start translating our ooc wars in ic wars, because there's nothing happening outside Europe - the Hanseong Conference has seemingly sizzled due to not enough people in Asia caring about it (or not on often enough to care about it).

Ahhh....well, there's one way to get rid of inactive people....no offense, inactive people.

So long as you can ignore all the BS 300 was a good movie. Myself being a history major, I felt that the producers took an amazing story and turned it into shit, not one mention of the fact that the Athenian navy fought off a Persian navy several times its size, the last stand was crap too.
@ Futuris: None taken.^_^' I really need to get my factbook up tomorrow anyway, even though I'll still mostly be a fly on the wall for the next IC year or so. Grow my economy and all, you understand...
@ West Pacific: I'll be seeing 300 then, but yeah I know exactly what you're talking about. Definitions of 'freedom' being relative still, I can't help but think of how much the Frank Miller/Victor Davis Hanson school's unconditional heroification of Sparta conveniently overlooks or marginalizes the fact that if we go by modern standards (comfort, cosmopolitanism, commerce), Persia beat Sparta hands down as the better place of the two to live. Athens is a closer comparison, true.;) But the twin facts that Athenian democracy soon degenerated into the archetypal "despotism of the majority" after the Persian Wars, and that Persia had better unbiased access to Egyptian, Babylonian, Hebrew &c scholarship than still comparatively-provincial Greece as a whole did, still give the Achaemenid Persian Empire the edge during the time IMHO; even if Xerxes' reign was the beginning of the downhill slide without a doubt (wasn't Xerxes the one who gave the Zoroastrian Magi the first steps towards undermining King Cyrus' the Great's innovative tolerance policy for religion in the Empire?:confused:).

Ahhh....well, there's one way to get rid of inactive people....no offense, inactive people.

oh well have been busy with things, even if it is march break now. school prevails. I'm tied up until the end of march regardless. If the social and workers states person becomes inactive perhaps then I can revert back. cheers.

@ Futuris: None taken.^_^' I really need to get my factbook up tomorrow anyway, even though I'll still mostly be a fly on the wall for the next IC year or so. Grow my economy and all, you understand...
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Well, there's two of us without factbooks yet :P

Well, there's two of us without factbooks yet :P

Yeah, I'm having trouble getting to put up my factbook for the Timeline 191 thing.

On another note, anyone else pissed about losing 1 hour of sleep to DST? :headbang:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520411

United Empire of Nippon and Eastern Rossiya (a.k.a. Kiwiland) factbook. Made another thread coz old one was hopelessly irrelevant.....


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520413

Kiwiland Imperial Armed Forces info page. Too large to fit in to factbook comfortably.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520411

United Empire of Nippon and Eastern Rossiya (a.k.a. Kiwiland) factbook. Made another thread coz old one was hopelessly irrelevant.....


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520413

Kiwiland Imperial Armed Forces info page. Too large to fit in to factbook comfortably.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. :)

Looks good......I like how you organized your military, and it's all very detailed. Good job.:p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520411

United Empire of Nippon and Eastern Rossiya (a.k.a. Kiwiland) factbook. Made another thread coz old one was hopelessly irrelevant.....


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520413

Kiwiland Imperial Armed Forces info page. Too large to fit in to factbook comfortably.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. :)

Aside from the fact that your GAF seal says "Impersial", it's very good. There are doubtless errors, but I don't want to spend too much time critiquing it, because I'm still doing mine (surprise!). I should be almost done with it, as I have the last of my airforce stats ready to be added into my beautiful factbook.

I'm in the process of making a culture post in my factbook thread... I'm hoping that in creating it, someone will passively read it and come to understand my country better. I will update this post with the link when I'm done with it.

UPDATE LINK-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12358270&postcount=11

United Empire of Nippon and Eastern Rossiya (a.k.a. Kiwiland) factbook. Made another thread coz old one was hopelessly irrelevant.....
Any comments would be greatly appreciated. :)
Look really detailed and good. But I expected to find something about Foreign Affairs...

I've added these two threads to the ic-thread list (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958).

Okay, Kiwiland, I am putting my foot down. You do NOT get any Russian Weaponry. I won't allow it. Just because you own SISBERIA doesn't mean you get my equipment. I can assure you that if you took over Siberia in the late 19th/early 20th century that you wouldn't get any Antonov, Sukhoi, Mil, Mikoyan/Guryovic, or anything of the sort. No Kalashnikov either.

(What's Kalashnikov?)

Umm... ok. Well, Japan would have developed supercarriers of its own if it didn't lose WWII, so me using the Kreml class is really just borrowing the stats (BTW the Shoho is the 13,500 ton DDH.... since apparently they haven't named it yet.

And, I'm running late so I'll have to come back later. >"<

(What's Kalashnikov?)

Umm... ok. Well, Japan would have developed supercarriers of its own if it didn't lose WWII, so me using the Kreml class is really just borrowing the stats (BTW the Shoho is the 13,500 ton DDH.... since apparently they haven't named it yet.

And, I'm running late so I'll have to come back later. >"<

Kalashnikov=AK-47

However, I figure since just about Everyone has those, you might as well just buy them for some serious low deals from one of us African nations (I'd be happy to sell cheap!)

(What's Kalashnikov?)

Umm... ok. Well, Japan would have developed supercarriers of its own if it didn't lose WWII, so me using the Kreml class is really just borrowing the stats (BTW the Shoho is the 13,500 ton DDH.... since apparently they haven't named it yet.

And, I'm running late so I'll have to come back later. >"<

The Kalashnikov is the common Ak-47 and it's variants.

Kalashnikov=AK-47

However, I figure since just about Everyone has those, you might as well just buy them for some serious low deals from one of us African nations (I'd be happy to sell cheap!)

Actually, I don't think that either Sweden, Norway, Iceland, or Denmark have the AK-47. Not that I'd want them, I've already secured deals and/or previously owned in RL, better weapons. I am still offering to sell the JAS-39 Gripen....first two nations to apply get their first 10 purchased at 10 million USD off each one.

Actually, I don't think that either Sweden, Norway, Iceland, or Denmark have the AK-47. Not that I'd want them, I've already secured deals and/or previously owned in RL, better weapons. I am still offering to sell the JAS-39 Gripen....first two nations to apply get their first 10 purchased at 10 million USD off each one.

I was referring that to Kiwiland, as he is located in Siberia...

I was referring that to Kiwiland, as he is located in Siberia...

Yeah, I know what you mean though, the AK-47 is one of the most famous, well-known, and used assault rifles in history. Mostly for its durability, but it's also cheap and relatively easy to produce.

Kalashnikov=AK-47

However, I figure since just about Everyone has those, you might as well just buy them for some serious low deals from one of us African nations (I'd be happy to sell cheap!)

Oh lol. That's what they're called? Err.... >_>

I think I'll have patriotic troops supporting their local Type 90 then :p


Okay, Kiwiland, I am putting my foot down. You do NOT get any Russian Weaponry. I won't allow it. Just because you own SISBERIA doesn't mean you get my equipment. I can assure you that if you took over Siberia in the late 19th/early 20th century that you wouldn't get any Antonov, Sukhoi, Mil, Mikoyan/Guryovic, or anything of the sort. No Kalashnikov either.

Back to my troops using some Russian equipments, what's wrong with that? I thought we get to have as many of whatever weaponry our countries have in RL. I doubt Kuwait has the technical expertise to develop M1 Abrams either.

Besides, for Sukhoi both the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association and the Irkutsk Aviation parts are within my territory. The Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association is in Siberia too, and it makes Su-32, which I think is the export version of Su-34?

Well, it's not like I'm particularly fond of Russian equipment or anything, I just wanted a ground attack fighter. But "I won't allow it" is less than agreeable.

Looks good......I like how you organized your military, and it's all very detailed. Good job.:p

:cool: thanks. BTW, are we continuing our alliance talks somwhere else?


Aside from the fact that your GAF seal says "Impersial", it's very good. There are doubtless errors, but I don't want to spend too much time critiquing it, because I'm still doing mine (surprise!). I should be almost done with it, as I have the last of my airforce stats ready to be added into my beautiful factbook.

Oops.... :p thanks, corrected :D

(What's Kalashnikov?)

Umm... ok. Well, Japan would have developed supercarriers of its own if it didn't lose WWII, so me using the Kreml class is really just borrowing the stats (BTW the Shoho is the 13,500 ton DDH.... since apparently they haven't named it yet.

And, I'm running late so I'll have to come back later. >"<

WP won't let us change the fate of one fighter jet; you really think he's going to allow japan to have its own supercarrier when it dosn't have one in RL?

I'm not saying its not justifed or reasonable I'm just saying he probably won't allow it