NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the new Earth SYAE sign up thread, the old one became too crowded and too many people had gone inactive. Sign up for new members will not start till 48 hours after this is posted to allow old members to reclaim their lands. The rules will be very loose, populations are based on RL populations. Economies are very loosely regulated and left up to the player's discretion on what they think their GDP would be, however anyting that I think is too high will be put up for debate and if enough participants agree the member will have to lower said GDP. Claims will be a case by case issue, the United States, Russia, India and China will not be broken up into smaller claims but if you plan on claiming any of those countries and additional territories you are sadly mistaken. Old members please post your previous claims on Earth SYAE here so that I can make sure you still get your claims. When you make your claims please include your nation's name as it will be in SYAE.


Earth SYAE General IC Thread/List of IC Threads (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958)
World Map (http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/266/syaemaplo0fa4.png)
History of SYAE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520926)
World Trade Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12520130#post12520130)

Land Claims

Amazonia Beasts
Algeria
Benin
Burkina Faso
Gambia, the
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissaue
Ivory Coast
Liberia
Mali
Nigeria
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Togo

Balkan Union
Albania
Bulgaria
Croatia
Greece
Macedonia
Montenegro
Romania
Rpblka Srpska (Claimed but not administered)
Serbia
Slovenia
Thracian Turkey

Daehanjeiguk
China, People's Republic of
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
Korea, North
Korea, South
Philippines

Eastern European Union
Austria
Czech Republic
Hungary
Moldova
Poland
Slovakia
Ukraine

Futuris
Denmark
Iceland
Norway
Sweden

German Confederation, the
Germany
Liechtenstein
Switzerland

Middle Eastern Coalition
Afghanistan
Iran
Pakistan
Tajikistan

Newer Kiwiland
Japan
Siberia

Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics
Estonia
Belarus
Latvia
Lithuania
Russia (except what's claimed)

Spizania
Cyprus
Israel
Lebanon

United Arab Socialist Republic
Bahrain
Egypt
Iraq
Kuwait
Qatar
Syria
United Arab Emirates

United Marxika
France
Portugal
Spain


Updated, please inform me of any errors.

My claim was:

Western Sahara, Mauritania, Senegal, the Gambia, Guinea-Bissaue, Guinea, Liberia, Mali, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, and Cameroon.

I'd like to propose a bit of a change of my cliam though: so I can get a Mediterranean Port, can I exchange Cameroon and Western Sahara for Algeria? This would allow a Spain player, ie, to grab the Morroco area, and also allow central African expansion.


Also, I'd like to change my name...I found "Songhai Dominion" to be a bit bland. If I could go with the "Saharan Confederate Expanse", that'd be cool.

I wish to maintain my previous claims:

PRC, ROC, ROK, DPRK, and Philippines, although these are apparently in conflict with some new regulations. For ease of reference, my factbook is established at this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137

The Gwangmu Emperor Coronation Ceremony:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160

And the Hanseong Conference:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516763

Those are all of the threads that I started that are probably still relevant to SYAE. The old reference thread can still be largely used I believe:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516160

I was in SYAE as the nordic kingdom, but I want to change my claims to Portugal and Spain if that's ok.

I haven't been in the old SYAE and if another old player claims my lands I'll change my claim but for now: My claims are Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guyana, Hati, Dominican Republic, and Cuba.

I'll take Canada, Alaska, and Greenland.

Federation of Animarnia
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo, Republic of the
Niger

We'd also like to Claim Tanzania and Uganda if posable? since they were unclaimed in the last RP...

Democratic Republic of the Congo, Rwanda, Burundi, and Cabinda, please.

French Imperial Republic

France ( Including Corsica )
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Belgium
Andora
New Caledonia
Northern Part of Algeria

Is that fair? I'm seasoned with Earth RPs, getting tired of the old one.

Oh, and could I add Tunisia. I meant to type that in...

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6505/blankmapworldov7.png *I can map for SYAE if ya want...*

Sorry I didn't specify my countries name. So my countries nam is the:
Formal name: Union of the Peoples and Workers States
Regular name: Union States

Psychotica, that'd be great if you could do the map, there are like 12 new countries in Africa since I took 7th Grade Geography (world geo) and that was only... seven years ago.

What about me? (I was the RSFSR: Russia and the Baltic States)

this is going to be a pain crafting new names for new countries :headbang:

*cough*

Whoever owns Algeria, I'll give you a cookie if you 'peacefully' cede northern Algeria >> *IE - Free Trade Agreement, Mutual Defense Pact, and all the goodies that come with non-hairy French women!!*

Hey, can we reserve Russia for a friend of mine? If he doesn't claim it by tommorow night, then un...reserve it? >>

Italia, Vatican See, San Marino, Albania, Montenegro, Slovenia, Greece, Libya, Turkey Please.

Could someone make a map for us? I would, but I don't have a paint program :(

*cough*

Whoever owns Algeria, I'll give you a cookie if you 'peacefully' cede northern Algeria >> *IE - Free Trade Agreement, Mutual Defense Pact, and all the goodies that come with non-hairy French women!!*

How 'bout we RP it and see ;)

Italia, Vatican See, San Marino, Albania, Montenegro, Slovenia, Greece, Libya, Turkey Please.

Almost all those lands are owned on SYAE already, so if the person who owned them there (and was kind of inactive) doesn't claim them within the next... I think 36 hours left, they are all yours, but until then we have to wait and see, sorry bout that.


Could someone make a map for us? I would, but I don't have a paint program

I believe psychotica is going to be in charge of the map, seeing as how paint and photoshop hate me.

Speaking of Psychotica, sorry, but Russia has already been claimed by Candistan as part of the old SYAE.

Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics
Estonia
Belarus
Latvia
Lithuania
Russia (except what's claimed) << If the owners of the other two parts of SYAE don't claim by the deadline I'll give you all of Russia, deal?

[

deal

West Pacific: Damn..:'(

Map: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4827/blankmapworld1qa8.png

*Brown Nation - I swear to God that's the oddest claim EVER!!*

Amazonian Beast: I sense a very GOOD RP in the near future...

Which part of Russia, Candi?

Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, and Bahrain as the United Arab Socialist Republic. In other words, same as last time.

Map: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4827/blankmapworld1qa8.png

*Brown Nation - I swear to God that's the oddest claim EVER!!*

Awesomesauce on the map, although I agree with you on the brown.

Psychotica, here (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png) is the old map from SYAE, it shows the parts of Russia and how they were split up, I'm hoping we won't have to do that here.

Hey wait, I claimed New Caledon/Caledonia w/e it is spelled...

Do I get that or has a 'former' member have it on reserve?

EDIT Oh crap yea...whoops I forgot to paint it in lol...

Okay, so H-Town is approved right? Also, Candi, mind if I wait on coloring you in until I know if it's finaly with the other Russians?

H-Town is approved. Everyone but the guy who claimed Italy and much of Eastern Europe is approved because there are no conflicts of interests with the old claims.

Okily Dokily.

Not filling in Candi till a bit later, nothing personal m8 :-P.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2200/blankmapworld1we0.png

Let me know if I make a MAJOR MISTAKE!!!

*In other words, feel free to bitch me out to your hearts content...but...be warned...Pink and Purple and Fuschia and such still haven't been used yet :P*

I'll start my factbook now. What kind of technology can we use?

Okay, so H-Town is approved right? Also, Candi, mind if I wait on coloring you in until I know if it's finaly with the other Russians?

Yeah, I'm cool with it.

Uhh..I can't read Chinese... what does mine say?

Damn Jolt and its time-warping powers...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2200/blankmapworld1we0.png

Let me know if I make a MAJOR MISTAKE!!!

*In other words, feel free to bitch me out to your hearts content...but...be warned...Pink and Purple and Fuschia and such still haven't been used yet :P*

A mind of prior existence, Gauthic has expressed some interest to return, to this RP, and while he hasn't posted yet, his claims include New Caledonia... you may have to resolve this with him, if and when he makes his return...

but otherwise, it is a good map - one only hopes that it is well-kept.


My real reason for making this post is actually to post out names of countries - some of which I have long toiled to create a useful name reflecting the government and historical biases of my realm upon the foreign lands, so I'll be posting them here. If anyone here has some knowledge of Chinese [strictly Chinese...], and they see that their name is not "adequate", run an alternative name by me and I will see if it works better. Otherwise, here it is:


Saharan Confederate Expanse [大沙漠聯合 (대사막련합)]

Congo-Kinshasa [中非的聯合 (중비적련합)]

Daehanjeiguk [大韓帝國 (대한제국)] <<< immutable

Eastern European Union - [東歐聯合 (동구련합)]

Ezaltia - [大北美洲聯合 (대복미주련합)]

Federation of Animarnia [外非洲聯合 (외비주련합)]

French Imperial Republic - [法王共和國 (법왕공화국)]

Kopparbergs [西班牙聯合 (서반아련합)]

Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics [俄聯合的蘇聯社會主義者共和國 (아련합적소련사회주의자공화국)]

Union of the Peoples and Workers States [人中間美洲聯合 (인중간미주련합)]

United Arab Socialist Republic [阿拉伯社會主義者人民國 (아랍백사회주의자인민국)]


EDIT - also, I have decided to open my factbook thread to diplomatic contact too, since conference discussions have become apparently unwieldy.

Impérial République française

Uhh..I can't read Chinese... what does mine say?

Damn Jolt and its time-warping powers...

Ezaltia - [大北美洲聯合 (대복미주련합)]

Translates roughly as "Great North American State"

Literally "Union of Big Beautiful Northern Island"

Ezaltia - [?????? (??????)]

Translates roughly as "Great North American State"

Literally "Union of Big Beautiful Northern Island"

Ooo...that is poetic...I like it.

meh....

China seemed to always been the very beautifully worded Country...

Hey, what does mine mean then?

Please note that the Ludwik Doctrine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515799) still applies, even though the country that spurred my writing this ceased to exist some time ago. So any of you planning on invading a European country consider yourself warned. ;)

meh....

China seemed to always been the very beautifully worded Country...

Hey, what does mine mean then?

French Imperial Republic - [法王共和國 (법왕공화국)]

translates roughly as "French Royal Republic"

literally means "Law of King's Public-Speaking Country"

anyone else?

Please note that the Ludwik Doctrine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515799) still applies, even though the country that spurred my writing this ceased to exist some time ago. So any of you planning on invading a European country consider yourself warned. ;)

Ooo, another doctrine I can so wilfully break!!

Watch out, Espana!!!! >>

Ooo, another doctrine I can so wilfully break!!

Watch out, Espana!!!! >>

The Ludwik Doctrine entails the protection of East Europe from expansionists - whereas Spain is already owned by Kopparbergs...

Okay...so I go eastward bound, >>

Sorry, I'm tired and sort of just being non-sensical.

Actually, I fully intended to abuse the Ludwik Doctrine while writing it as an excuse to attack Eurasia if he went to war with the United States by making false accusations of actions their government took in Eastern Europe.

sounds like fun...

just a mind of some history, the Han Empire claims the Divine Mandate for the rule over "China" [it is now called "HAN", not CHINA, although the archaic "Qin" is still used occasionally...]. Anyway, because of this, the Han Empire claims the responsibility for the defense of the Yuan Dynasty - i.e. Mongolia - and Southeast Asia. That is, we don't own the territory, but we certainly won't like it if people start disturbing the serene atmosphere that has prevailed since modernity has come to Asia... *hint hint*

I like the map alot but I don't know if you included Guyana in South America in your map. If you could change the map to include Guyana into my nation that would be fine. Kudos though on the map.:)

Um.... I claimed Siberia and Japan last time.....

Is that not allowed this time? Because I did put quite a bit of time into researching up the stats for those areas I claimed.....

Well, not that I really can say much but this may be of help...

West Pacific said that anyone else who had claim to the old Earth SYAE may still renew that claim here if the time frame doesn't expire. Which I think ends tonight or something, so I believe you still get to have the land you had before.

So I would guess you have Siberia, Sakhalin, Japan and Kurils. *Siberia, Karafuto, Nihon, and I forgot Japanese for Kurils lol*.

But I guess we'll wait for West Pacific.

I like the map alot but I don't know if you included Guyana in South America in your map. If you could change the map to include Guyana into my nation that would be fine. Kudos though on the map.:)

Which nation are you in SYAE? The claim listed didn't have Guyana under anyone..

Italia, Vatican See, San Marino, Albania, Montenegro, Slovenia, Greece, Libya, Turkey Please.

Hey I really think you'd be an interesting person to RP with, stick around...atleast claim something and make some fun with it :-P.

The Nameless Country: Sorry about that, I missed Guyana in your original claim, I've added it to your claim list.

Newer Kiwiland: You have your old claim, including Siberia.

For everyone, new and old: There are 24 hours left on the deadline for the members of the old SYAE to claim their nations.

Shazatbotom, as I said on the old thread and in the first post here, you get your old claim and Psycotica will have to let go of Tunisia.

Psychotica, can I perhaps interest you in Western Sahara instead? I know you are kind of getting shafted here, over and over again, and I hope we can find some sort of acceptable agreement here.

My old claim was Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil, but I would only like to claim Brazil this time as the Democratic Empire of Brazil.

Updated and welcome back.

Old members and those whose claims are not in conflict with any claims on the old SYAE feel free to start RPing, once the deadline expires and we know there won't be any lands changing hands (except of course through IC means) I will start up an IC thread listing all events going on as well as an international news threads where members can make news postings about their nation. Kind of like an opinion section of the newspaper.

Great, this will be fun!

Psychotica, I want you to fill the Canary Islands, Madeira and the Azores in my color in the map. And it's a great map, good work!

Will surely meet you IC as I'm your souther neighbor.

And PLEASE FOLKS, try not to make such large claims! No one mentioned, but it's not the size of your claim thath's important, it's what you make with it! I guarantee that it's a lot more fun to have ten smaller (RL sized) neighbors than two big ones. A lot more people to RP with.

OOC: I'd like to take my old claim with additions, if that's possible:

Serbia
Montenegro
Croatia
Albania
Slovenia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Romania
Macedonia
Greece (with Crete)
European Turkey (aka: Constantinople/Istanbul area)

Named, the Balkan Union.

Jaredchonia, you may have your old claim but unfortunately you will have to step in line for Greece and Turkey as they have already been claimed by another new player.

Jaredchonia, you may have your old claim but unfortunately you will have to step in line for Greece and Turkey as they have already been claimed by another new player.

OOC: I didn't see that post, but do I keep all of my old claim or does he get part of it?

You keep your old claim in its entirity, Nuevo Italia has to decide if he wants to make due with what is available of his original claim or if he wants to choose some other country.

I turn my back for one second and three thousand people sign up... *sigh* why bother writing names?


On a more optimistic note, all but one [Gauthic] of the Hanseong Conference participants, and as far as I conceive, the conference is simply continuing - albeit under different circumstances than before - and perhaps we can get something out of this mixer.

BTW, all Oriental [Asian predominantly, but anyone is really welcome] countries are welcome to attend the Hanseong Conference [with the intention of forming the Gwangju Cooperation Organization - modeled on the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, but with better incentives and more force].

link is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516763

[you haven't missed much...]

*sigh*

Yes, I sure do feel shafted thank ya for noticing ;)..

I'm not on my actual computer so I won't update the map until later, but I guess as too what I'd claim is...I don't know.

To me, Western Sahara is as useful as a bucket of cow manure. Sure, you could fertilize some land with it but then...are you sure your out come crop will really be all that great?

Well, I was going to ask for a revision anyways but I was going to remain interesting. I guess I'd like French Guiana so I can have some more people to contend with, and I guess I'll take Gibraltar and Western Sahara *but if Kopparbergs was claiming Spain in the pretense of wanting Gibraltar then never mind...*

I was hoping to at least get Tunisia, oh well.

JUST A NOTE:

Ummm


I was in the old Earth SYAE thread and I had the following claim that I would like back although I see that someone already claimed one of the countries that I owned....

Shazbotdom
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon
Tunisia


I would ask whoever is the "French Imperial Republic" give up Tunisia. Thanks.

meh. No offense but you think you could've been a bit kinder than just 'Whoever, ya, well give it up.' ...

About the map-it's off. I have Nigeria-not Niger. Whoever's brown has Nigeria on the map, bu they actually have Niger, not Nigeria.

United States (Inclusing Hawaii, except Alaska) and Purto Rico.

Carloginian Republic of America

If none of the old members take this, I would like to claim Norway, Denmark, Iceland, and Sweden. I'm still working on the name though. I've always only dreamed of joining an Earth RP...so I'm still new to the whole roleplay posting and stuff, even though I've read it a lot.

Hey there. Gauthic here. Any chance I can have back all of my pacific islands?

I'm sorry to ask but, what does RL Population mean? You can consider me a super noob for asking this question if you want.:D

Ok, so my new name (if no one from the old Earth claims over me) is The Scandinavian State of Futuris.

I'm sorry to ask but, what does RL Population mean? You can consider me a super noob for asking this question if you want.:D
RL stands for real life, so your RL population would simply be the latest populations of all the countries you control added together.

I know what a factbook is (having read through many of them) and I'm not entirely sure how to incorporate the real-life statistics of the countries, and the ones that I want for this RP.

On a more optimistic note, all but one [Gauthic] of the Hanseong Conference participants, and as far as I conceive, the conference is simply continuing - albeit under different circumstances than before - and perhaps we can get something out of this mixer.

Now that my claims are sorted, I'll see you at the conference tonight :D


Anyway, I just want to make sure what the rules are for techs in this restart, coz I don't see it mentioned on the first thread. Also shouldn't we get a new list of happenings?

Actually, I've notice a few errors with the map...

1 - According to the claims, Congo-Kinshasa has Cabinda, but it is not colored in his color. Cabinda is the northern stretch of Angola that is separated from the rest of the country [the sliver of uncolored territory...]

2 - Congo-Kinshasa does not claim Republic of Congo, but it is colored in under his color; furthermore, Animarnia claims the RoCongo but is given Gabon, which is claimed by Shazatbotom and likewise not claimed by Animaria.

3 - not so much an error, but a clarification: the PRC includes Hong Kong and Macau SAR... unless I need to claim those territories as mine as well (a decision by the SYAE leadership - and if so, I will correct that mistake...), they should colored with the rest of PRC.

That should be all of the mistakes that I've noted. I'm more concerned with 1 and 2, since they concern the actual claim of territories. There is also the matter of newly arrived countries not being on the map, but I'll presume that's more a fact of your inability to update the map at the moment.

just an update:

my factbook IS open for diplomacy now; I've reserved all of the space that I think that I will need in future references. I've also tried to update my list of countries currently in SYAE [mostly for points of reference to giving them names in the Chinese manner...], so if your name is not on my list, please let me know so I can correct that [again, more so for me than for you...] And I'd love to talk to people, even if I'm not around, so give me a reason to interact with you ^_^

I guess I'll repost my factbook. Anyone know how I should do GDP?

That's up to you, Jaredchonia, I am not very strict about economies, my own economies are altered from the RL economies, I think I increased it overall by like 20-30%. Just so long as your claims aren't over the top outrageous I will allow them.

I'll take the United States.

The US has already been claimed.

On another note, I created an IC thread list, please post a reply in that thread with the link whenever you create a new thread.

I just came by to say I wish this Earth Good luck. It has some very good members, many of whom I beleive will be active. I don't know if some time in the future I may try and join, but right now I would rather not.

Again Good luck to everyone.

How long do these "Earths" usually last (until a new one is made, like this thread). Because I don't know how much effort I should put into my whole factbook and stuff if it only lasts like a month.:confused:

Stay active and it will last longer, quit and SYAE dies too.

That's kind of how I view it.

I'm keeping my own version of a map, so I'm somewhat up to date on who owns what. But I wouldn't want to be the map guy, because I wouldn't have the time for it [although I have the time now to do it...].

@ WP: I will get involved very soon with your new thread... V_V

I'm keeping my own version of a map, so I'm somewhat up to date on who owns what. But I wouldn't want to be the map guy, because I wouldn't have the time for it [although I have the time now to do it...].

@ WP: I will get involved very soon with your new thread... V_V

Especially cause the map being used now has Nigeria under someone else's potision [/disgruntled]

Especially cause the map being used now has Nigeria under someone else's potision [/disgruntled]

Hence, a good reason why I keep my own map version (I do it for every RP I can do so...) - because I've fixed that. Despite that, there is only so much that the person doing the maps can do, especially since he/she is not going to be attached to the computer at all times to monitor every single territory change, and I wouldn't ask that of the person. Sure, he/she makes mistakes, like everyone else does; still, it is better to be patient and let things sort themselves out, because otherwise no one will know what is where and when.

That said, I'm tried of playing sagacity...

If none of the old members take this, I would like to claim Norway, Denmark, Iceland, and Sweden. I'm still working on the name though. I've always only dreamed of joining an Earth RP...so I'm still new to the whole roleplay posting and stuff, even though I've read it a lot.
I had Sweden, Norway and Denmark (not Iceland) before this restart, and since my new claims of Spain and Portugal is approved you can have the nordic countries.

And Pyschotika, yes I want to have Gibraltar. And the two Spanish colonies Ceuta and Melilla in northern Morocco.

^ Yeah, that was kind of the idea. If not a war, then at least a heated debate and hot rise in tension.

A curious question then...

Why would you be transporting nuclear devices over the Carpathian Mountains - over EEU territory? That's kind of far out over EEU territory, and given the circumstances, it would have been more likely if EEU forces shot it down, instead of it crashing by some happenstance incident.

A curious question then...

Why would you be transporting nuclear devices over the Carpathian Mountains - over EEU territory? That's kind of far out over EEU territory, and given the circumstances, it would have been more likely if EEU forces shot it down, instead of it crashing by some happenstance incident.

Well, their route takes them to an airbase in the caucasus, so the arrogant pilot decided to take a cut through the Carpathians. The mysterious man could be anybody, from an EEU military guy with a raspy voice or a terrorist. I made it nondescript so we could figure out who shot it down later in the RP.

Okay, so I am US? And question: We can use CIA factbook for everything since this is RL pertained right?

OOC: Geographically, the area is identical, however, the Exavians are far more militaristic than than Canada.

ooc: if by far more militaristic, you mean to say that your people can produce the military workforce of the USA quadrupled, that would be quite impressive. Your naval armada is excessive large for any force, RL or otherwise - although your invading force seems more reasonable [there's still the matter of your huge equipment armaments accompanying your armed Marines]

from Iceland thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518803)

ooc: if by far more militaristic, you mean to say that your people can produce the military workforce of the USA quadrupled, that would be quite impressive. Your naval armada is excessive large for any force, RL or otherwise - although your invading force seems more reasonable [there's still the matter of your huge equipment armaments accompanying your armed Marines]

from Iceland thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518803)

Yeah, Ezaltia-I'm not even sure your normal nation can field that without devoting most of its military assets.

If we're doing this by NS stats now, then heck, the Saharan Fed. is gonna be king of down South...

Yeah, Ezaltia-I'm not even sure your normal nation can field that without devoting most of its military assets.

If we're doing this by NS stats now, then heck, the Saharan Fed. is gonna be king of down South...

Yeah, but were using RL Stats. Which means that he needs to tone down his stuff quite a bit. That is unless he wants an invasion from a great many nations...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518780

My factbook, anyone want to tell me how it is/what I'm missing/etc?

Military.

Yeah, that's in the works at the moment.

In the works means I've done nothing about it. I'll figure something out. Everyone fears the army of Slovenia, right?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518780

My factbook, anyone want to tell me how it is/what I'm missing/etc?

Military.

Hm. I need to see if there is a list of factbooks.

Yeah, that's in the works at the moment.

In the works means I've done nothing about it. I'll figure something out. Everyone fears the army of Slovenia, right?

Ah! Time Warp/Paradox Bomb!

Ah! Time Warp/Paradox Bomb!

Alrighty, I added a military. Anything else I'm missing?

Did I get my claim?

Did I get my claim?

You didn't get part of it, and I'd be really happy if you gave me Greece.

Really happy. >_>

Reaaaaaaaaaally happy.

Alrighty, I added a military. Anything else I'm missing?

economy, diplomacy...

that's all for now...

You didn't get part of it, and I'd be really happy if you gave me Greece.

Really happy. >_>

Reaaaaaaaaaally happy.

come on... don't extort the guy oocly...

Nuevo, here's the problem, half your claim was already owned by Jaredchonia in the previous SYAE, as far as I know only Italy, the Vatican and Turkey weren't claimed by him previously, you can either reclaim or take what is left of that claim.

Yeah, Ezaltia-I'm not even sure your normal nation can field that without devoting most of its military assets.

If we're doing this by NS stats now, then heck, the Saharan Fed. is gonna be king of down South...

OOC: Wow...things are really heating up quickly. I have a lot of tests to study for, so I can't respond super-fast, and my factbook is still in the making, so I don't have my military all worked out. I agree that your invasion force is quite large for Canada, Alaska, and Greenland, but I'll use RL stats for the beginning of my defense.

Hey, updateing the map soon.

Been bussy, anyways Shazbotdom I haven't bothered to read any responses yet so this is pre-look back and read -

Not trying to be an ass, I just get this way I guess. But no, I don't have any fears of haveing to war you if it comes down to it :-P.

OOC:
My comment was to the guy from the Invasion of Iceland thread (i.e. Ezaltia) who claims that his military is gigantic when his RL nations budget for this Earth can't handle it. He's saying his navy is really huge and his military is even bigger, which considering he's Canada (and they have very little of a military buget) it's a flagrant godmod. Doing stuff like that will cause his nation to get invaded if he doesn't watch himself.

OOC:
My comment was to the guy from the Invasion of Iceland thread (i.e. Ezaltia) who claims that his military is gigantic when his RL nations budget for this Earth can't handle it. He's saying his navy is really huge and his military is even bigger, which considering he's Canada (and they have very little of a military buget) it's a flagrant godmod. Doing stuff like that will cause his nation to get invaded if he doesn't watch himself.

One, I toned it down. And two, THIS IS NOT CANADA. It has Canada's geography and population (plus Alaska and Greenland, but they really don't contribute much) but I decide my own GDP, military, and such.

Looking back, I think Indonesia and some of the surrounding islands owuld have been a better choice. *shrug*

I thought we used RL budgets and such...otherwise everyone would have a huge military and no one would progress in anything other than killing people...

Ok, discussion needed here, how does everyone want to handle technology? I want to start where a nation can only use indiginous tech and has to buy new equipment, such as the Lightning II, from the designer nation, in this case the United States. However I am open to discussion on this matter.

I thought we used RL budgets and such...otherwise everyone would have a huge military and no one would progress in anything other than killing people...

The rules will be very loose, populations are based on RL populations. Economies are very loosely regulated and left up to the player's discretion on what they think their GDP would be, however anyting that I think is too high will be put up for debate and if enough participants agree the member will have to lower said GDP.

^

The problem with buying tech from the parent nation is that most parent nations do not exist on this earth.

^

But can Canada's population support that force? Doubtful. Canada has quite a small military.

If we are going to do it your way, Ezaltia, I will contest your force with a five-supercarrier battle group.

But can Canada's population support that force? Doubtful. Canada has quite a small military.

If we are going to do it your way, Ezaltia, I will contest your force with a five-supercarrier battle group.

Well, the reason Canada has a small military is because it chooses to, not because that's all it can support.

Well, the reason Canada has a small military is because it chooses to, not because that's all it can support.

I could say the same thing about Iceland. It has no standing army, but at any time, it can raise 500,000 conscripts quickly trained in small arms, while others in aircraft and ship duties, and sent to my defense. Of course, I would never do that because it would end in an incredibly large number of unnecessary Icelandic lives lost.

I propose that we take the RL stats as they are right now, and then build on them over time in whichever way we want. So, if Ezaltia really wants a big military, let him/her work on that by spending large sums of money on that, and so on and so on. Otherwise, if you're still attacking with that, I might have to make up something sneaky....

Well, the reason Canada has a small military is because it chooses to, not because that's all it can support.

This is true. If Canada was a bit more capitalist, had just a slightly higher GDP, and invested more in it's military, it could have a military on par with America, Russia, the combined forces of Europe, et cetera.

It doesn't because the majority of it's budget is placed elsewhere.

But can Canada's population support that force? Doubtful. Canada has quite a small military.

If we are going to do it your way, Ezaltia, I will contest your force with a five-supercarrier battle group.

Well, the reason Canada has a small military is because it chooses to, not because that's all it can support.

My qualm with this is simple: You are limited by your population.


And just for this, I'd like to see your ORBAT and economic stats, because this certainly needs to be ironed out before anything else happens. I'd like to know what your per capita earning is, because we may be dealing with something that is excessive and requiring review by participants in the RP for consideration to reduce those stats - as has been suggested and mandated by same person you quoted earlier.


Ok, discussion needed here, how does everyone want to handle technology? I want to start where a nation can only use indiginous tech and has to buy new equipment, such as the Lightning II, from the designer nation, in this case the United States. However I am open to discussion on this matter.

I have established my armed forces in the same manner, using only products produced by those countries I own. I'd strongly suggest it as the standard, because otherwise, everyone will have the same exact armies (roughly) and military tech just because another boring topic of discussion. And besides, not every country has the capability to build any tech of equipment.

Not to mention that your southern neighbor dosen't want Canadian imperialist movements right now, your invasion of Iceland was completly unwarranted.

Furthermore there isin't many recources to be had in Iceland, so your invasion is rather unprofitable. :/

Not to mention that your southern neighbor dosen't want Canadian imperialist movements right now, your invasion of Iceland was completly unwarranted.

Furthermore there isin't many recources to be had in Iceland, so your invasion is rather unprofitable. :/

Not to mention that your southern neighbor dosen't want Canadian imperialist movements right now, your invasion of Iceland was completly unwarranted.

Furthermore there isin't many recources to be had in Iceland, so your invasion is rather unprofitable. :/

FEICHANGHAO! You've just beaten the Guiness World Record for number of posts copied at one time {six (6)}. Have a beer!!!


But I think you forgot about the diamonds in the mines of Iceland... (if you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to watch more Bond)

OOC: Yeah, Jolt is being a pain right now, but I've never seen a post repeated 6 times. Anyways, tomorrow (Thursday) I will have almost zero time to spend on NS, so the invasion might stall a bit. Sorry. If I'm lucky, I might squeeze it in, but otherwise no. So, I'll try to fit some stuff in today on the Iceland invasion.

My say on the whole RL vs. RP stats is that we start out as RL, then take it in the way we want to in the RP. But, you know, whatever, just cut back on that military a bit and I'll be fine.

FEICHANGHAO! You've just beaten the Guiness World Record for number of posts copied at one time {six (6)}. Have a beer!!!


But I think you forgot about the diamonds in the mines of Iceland... (if you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to watch more Bond)

Right next to the diamonds are some of the most beautiful and stunning geographic views in the world, due to the fact of the rifts underneath Iceland, and all that volcanic/seismic activity.

So do I get Greece? >_>

Not to mention that your southern neighbor dosen't want Canadian imperialist movements right now, your invasion of Iceland was completly unwarranted.

Furthermore there isin't many recources to be had in Iceland, so your invasion is rather unprofitable. :/

I'm RPing a militaristic, imperialist, totalitarian monarchy. I dont need much of a reason. :p

If anyone invades me, I'll be sure to RP a commoner uprising against the pompous monarchy.

I'm RPing a militaristic, imperialist, totalitarian monarchy. I dont need much of a reason. :p

Having that kind of political attitude will bring you more enemies than friends in the long run.

And anyways, why would you invade poor little Iceland? If you want diamonds, there are plenty of diamond mines in northern Canada. And Iceland doesn't exactly sport the largest land area either....

Having that kind of political attitude will bring you more enemies than friends in the long run.

And anyways, why would you invade poor little Iceland? If you want diamonds, there are plenty of diamond mines in northern Canada. And Iceland doesn't exactly sport the largest land area either....

Sure, but I've been playing the "good guy" for forever, so I decided to shake things up a bit. I'm not playing to win (but I won't mind if I do) but more for just the fun of being bad.

Iceland's in a very strategic postition. For there, I could go after the UK or Scandinavia. Plus, it is a very pretty country.

Okay. This is my first time, so I'm just trying to get along. And I agree that Iceland is in a strategic position. Which is why I claimed it...and it is also a beautiful country.

This is true. If Canada was a bit more capitalist, had just a slightly higher GDP, and invested more in it's military, it could have a military on par with America, Russia, the combined forces of Europe, et cetera.

It doesn't because the majority of it's budget is placed elsewhere.

Well.... not quite.

Canada has a population of 33,098,932 in 2006. Even if the GDP per captia is doubled, at most Canada could get about 10% of that into her military budget, amounting to some $198.5 billion.

Now let's see what Ezaltia tried to buy with those money:

- 5x Montana-class battleship = N/A, at least $50 billion
- 2x Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier = 2* $45 Billion = $90 billion
- 70x F-22C Raptor = 70*$361 million = $25.3 billion (including prog. cost)
- 3x E-2C Hawkeye = 3*$51 million = $153 million
- 7x EA-18G Growler = 7*$66 million = $462 million
- 10x AH-64D Apache Longbow = 10*$18 milion = $180 million
- 4x Wasp-class Assault Carrier = 4*$1.5 billion = $6 billion (from LHD-8)
- 42x CH-46 Sea Knight = N/A, at keast $400 million
- 20x F-35C JSF = 20*$100 million = $2 billion (including prog. cost)
- 6x MH-60R Seahawk = 6*$44 million = $264 million
- 13x Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser = 13*$1 billion = $13 billion
- 16x Daring-class Missile Destroyer = 16*$1 billion = $16 billion
- 14x Oliver Hazard Perry-Class ASW Frigate = 14*$194 million = $43.5 billion
- 10x Horizon-class AA Frigate = N/A, at least $50 billion
- 10x Astute-class Attack Submarine = 10*$6.8 billion = $68 billion

A grand total of $365 billion.

Canada would have to spend all of its defence budget on buying weapons, and nothing on paying its soldiers (about 20-30%) or maintaining the bought equipments (about 25-35%) or developing new weapons (about 10-20%) for TWO WHOLE YEARS, just to assemble this navy.

This is clearly a godmod. Not to mention the fact that doubling the GDP is hardly 'a bit higher'.

I really think we should start with the existing military equipment of our countries. It's no fun if every single nation in this earth plays with the same equipment (B1B, Nimitz etc), which will be the result if it's free.

I'm going to play with the existing military equipment of Spain and Portugal.

And I'll have a factbook thread up later today. The name of my nation will be Commonwealth of Communist Portugal-Spain (CCPS).

Exactly. I think we should get a clear decision on this before doing anything else. Everyone should be RPing with the existing technologies in their claimed territories.

Then, if say the Ross Dependency wants a Seawolf Attack Sub, it can go buy one from the U.S.

My factbook is now up and running. Will be used both for news and diplomatic relations.

Factbook Earth SYAE: CCPS - Commonwealth of Communist Portugal-Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518838)

Ok, here's how it's going to work. All nations will start off with technologies already present in the nations they claimed, you may increase the number of the weapon systems but not its performance values. Here's an example, all of my nations had a handful of Mig-29's in their Air Forces after the fall of the Soviet Union, probably around 50-60 total, I will be increasing that number to somewhere around 180 but it still won't change the fact that the Mig 29 is my most advanced aircraft.

Any questions?

Well.... not quite.

Canada has a population of 33,098,932 in 2006. Even if the GDP per captia is doubled, at most Canada could get about 10% of that into her military budget, amounting to some $198.5 billion.

Now let's see what Ezaltia tried to buy with those money:

- 5x Montana-class battleship = N/A, at least $50 billion
- 2x Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier = 2* $45 Billion = $90 billion
- 70x F-22C Raptor = 70*$361 million = $25.3 billion (including prog. cost)
- 3x E-2C Hawkeye = 3*$51 million = $153 million
- 7x EA-18G Growler = 7*$66 million = $462 million
- 10x AH-64D Apache Longbow = 10*$18 milion = $180 million
- 4x Wasp-class Assault Carrier = 4*$1.5 billion = $6 billion (from LHD-8)
- 42x CH-46 Sea Knight = N/A, at keast $400 million
- 20x F-35C JSF = 20*$100 million = $2 billion (including prog. cost)
- 6x MH-60R Seahawk = 6*$44 million = $264 million
- 13x Ticonderoga-class Missile Cruiser = 13*$1 billion = $13 billion
- 16x Daring-class Missile Destroyer = 16*$1 billion = $16 billion
- 14x Oliver Hazard Perry-Class ASW Frigate = 14*$194 million = $43.5 billion
- 10x Horizon-class AA Frigate = N/A, at least $50 billion
- 10x Astute-class Attack Submarine = 10*$6.8 billion = $68 billion

A grand total of $365 billion.

Canada would have to spend all of its defence budget on buying weapons, and nothing on paying its soldiers (about 20-30%) or maintaining the bought equipments (about 25-35%) or developing new weapons (about 10-20%) for TWO WHOLE YEARS, just to assemble this navy.

This is clearly a godmod. Not to mention the fact that doubling the GDP is hardly 'a bit higher'.

But you still assume that this is a Canada that actually cares for its people. It doesn't. Plus, I could have acquired this fleet more slowly than just two years.

Exaltia, your fleet is rediculously large, Canada has a population 1/10th of the United States, Alaska adds another 500,000 and Greenland another 50,000. You simply can not support a navy that large and still have an Air Force and Army, which you would need if you're going to RP as a military country with the United States sharing a 3,500 mile long border to your south.

Here's a list of the current ships of the Canadian Royal Navy:

at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Canadian_Navy).

They don't have a single air craft carrier, and only three destroyers and not a single nuclear submarine. I'm not saying the navy is weak, because it's absolutely not (for sure way stronger than my Spanish navy), but it's a big difference to Exaltia's navy. And it's fair if he has to buy what we wants from other players.

Okay, enough guys.

One, you're all right yet you're all wrong.

Two -

Yes, it's true. We are not actually the nations we geographically claim, however it is left upon us to decide the ethnicities and such that make up our nation. Most of us chose the indigenous, ie I chose to be made up mostly of the real life ethnicities and religions. We also get a choice to make up our GDP being as we do not share the same populations, even though I hope most of us chose to RP with a decent sized Population and not the full so many billions of people. We may also make up our own military as well go to along how much money is revenued by our chosen population and by how many people may serve in it and with what kind of system of Government we have.

IE - I have a 2-4 Year Requirement of Military service as of the age of 18, those who drop out of schooling must join as of the age of 17. My military will be 'larger' than the average, but that really doesn't give me any sort of edge other than a very military traditionalist military.

Three -

We must keep in mind that it becomes sort of unfair once we start saying which resources we have. I believe we should rely solely on Indigenous Resources as to give us an idea of how we will have to play. IE - China needs more Tungsten for it's new Composite Metals, and Myanmar (Burma) has quite a large mine. So, China realizes that some way it will have to acquire these resources. Will they trade, annex diplomatically, or invade it?

It isn't completely fair if I were to go - In the great green, rolling hills of France there is a nearly unlimited supply of Oil and Steel.

That just doesn't work. So, our militaries and economies and populations should as well be taken into consideration what sort of living condition is provided by the already at home materials. Why do you think Yemen's "country side" has a very low life expectancy? Because there is shit to nothing as far as resources go, and so there is no revenue, so there is starvation or no real push to reproduce.

Now, takeing into granted what Canada/Alaska/Greenland has resource wise and who Ezaltia is tradeing with will help us all decide if the navy is a fair size.

Remember, one man may invest in his looks but will he know what to say when the time is right? No, because that man has spent little to no time on his speach ability. So, he may appear suave but is not suave.

In this scenario, let Ezaltia waste a lot of his money on the Navy. Because, all this means is you will have to find an alternative. Perhaps his anti-air grid isn't going to be great and he relies on ships out in sea, and his air force lacking that to be offensive. Honestly, I can claim to have a million jet-bombers but that means I have no money to make something better than the FAMAS Assault Rifle.

So, please, before anyone is hurt and decides to leave which will lead to the fall of SYAE again...

Stop the silly argument, and agree to something.

Okay, enough guys.

One, you're all right yet you're all wrong.

Two -

Yes, it's true. We are not actually the nations we geographically claim, however it is left upon us to decide the ethnicities and such that make up our nation. Most of us chose the indigenous, ie I chose to be made up mostly of the real life ethnicities and religions. We also get a choice to make up our GDP being as we do not share the same populations, even though I hope most of us chose to RP with a decent sized Population and not the full so many billions of people. We may also make up our own military as well go to along how much money is revenued by our chosen population and by how many people may serve in it and with what kind of system of Government we have.

IE - I have a 2-4 Year Requirement of Military service as of the age of 18, those who drop out of schooling must join as of the age of 17. My military will be 'larger' than the average, but that really doesn't give me any sort of edge other than a very military traditionalist military.

Three -

We must keep in mind that it becomes sort of unfair once we start saying which resources we have. I believe we should rely solely on Indigenous Resources as to give us an idea of how we will have to play. IE - China needs more Tungsten for it's new Composite Metals, and Myanmar (Burma) has quite a large mine. So, China realizes that some way it will have to acquire these resources. Will they trade, annex diplomatically, or invade it?

It isn't completely fair if I were to go - In the great green, rolling hills of France there is a nearly unlimited supply of Oil and Steel.

That just doesn't work. So, our militaries and economies and populations should as well be taken into consideration what sort of living condition is provided by the already at home materials. Why do you think Yemen's "country side" has a very low life expectancy? Because there is shit to nothing as far as resources go, and so there is no revenue, so there is starvation or no real push to reproduce.

Now, takeing into granted what Canada/Alaska/Greenland has resource wise and who Ezaltia is tradeing with will help us all decide if the navy is a fair size.

Remember, one man may invest in his looks but will he know what to say when the time is right? No, because that man has spent little to no time on his speach ability. So, he may appear suave but is not suave.

In this scenario, let Ezaltia waste a lot of his money on the Navy. Because, all this means is you will have to find an alternative. Perhaps his anti-air grid isn't going to be great and he relies on ships out in sea, and his air force lacking that to be offensive. Honestly, I can claim to have a million jet-bombers but that means I have no money to make something better than the FAMAS Assault Rifle.

So, please, before anyone is hurt and decides to leave which will lead to the fall of SYAE again...

Stop the silly argument, and agree to something.


The reason why SYAE "fell" last time was because principal actors weren't active - although that is to say, I'm not suggesting that it can't do so again for different reasons...

As for my personal objections to Ezaltia {or Exavia?} and his apparent overdose of armaments, what limits all of us is our population. I've chosen the route [like most of us have already] to follow relatively RL models (not suggesting that my projection is a "real" projection...). I can handle Canada have an uber-sized armed force. But the size of his population does not apparently allow the same generation of his military capabilities, as it seems to allow currently - even by NS stats. This is the reason why I've asked for his GDP and per capita stats, so we can determine if (1) it's too unreasonable, and/or (2) it's not realistic. He may have accounted for his aggrandized military economically, but if he has the majority of his workforce employed in the armed forces, what force will be available for industry and agriculture?

I think it's fair to say that most of us have otherwise extreme examples of possible "real" countries, but at the moment, I'm not convinced that Ezaltia has a possible or a real country on mind.

Again, I'd like those stats (GDP per capita and ORBAT stuff) before we progress much farther into this RP, because otherwise, we'll get screwed with anachronisms and other nonsense that should not belong in a semi-realism based setting.

EEU: Would you like for you and I to create an alliance-a non aggression pact of some sort? We share a large border, and both of us are in Eastern Europe. Perhaps called the Alliance of Eastern European Nations, if the rest of Europe wants to join in, it could simply become the Alliance of European Nations.

Start a thread, I'll reply.

How about this.

I close the Iceland thread, renounce my claim on Canada, Alaska, and Greenland, and start all over again as the UK and Ireland (with a democratic government to boot).

See, when I first saw this thread, I didn't realize that we had to use stuff that only that country had. If I had known that at first, Canada might have been my last choice.

How about this.
Sounds fair to me!
And as UK and Ireland you'll have very good equipment...

How about this.

I close the Iceland thread, renounce my claim on Canada, Alaska, and Greenland, and start all over again as the UK and Ireland (with a democratic government to boot).

See, when I first saw this thread, I didn't realize that we had to use stuff that only that country had. If I had known that at first, Canada might have been my last choice.

Cool by me. UK don't have Raptors, though, so you may wanna change those to Eurofighter Typhoons (not too different, anyway).

Does this mean that my nation gets Alaska as well?

Does this mean that my nation gets Alaska as well?

If you want it.

So do I get Greece? >_>

Still asking, if I get Greece then yay for me. If not, boo for me.

Nuevo Italia never responded to if he wanted it again...so :/

*strokes his annex button*

We seriously need a new map

Yes, I want Alaska lol. :D

I'll start working on my factbook, and someone needs to update the map and the first page.

We seriously need a new map

I just updated it last night!!!

Let me go update it again then...

AHHH

Okay well here's the problem -

I posted the map last night, but jolt apparently didn't feel like posting it.

As well -

I said to give me some crap if I mess up, but not a whole lot. Especially since my past RPGs Africa has not been this important minus the basics *North Africa, South Africa, Congo and Angola Areas*. So, I'm sort of makeing sure my geography is still caught up with Africa. As well -

Koppar West Pacific let me Claim Gibraltar, and I counted those two City-Colonies as a part of the West Sahara because you didn't list them up till the point I sort of got West Sahara. I'll give you those, but I think to hold some interest...I think I may keep onto Gibby.

Dae Well, that's cool and all...could ya please list what you said got screwed up with the map again? Oh, and for Cabinda, that wasn't on the claim list either.


Remember everyone, I'm baseing this solely on the Claim List. So, make sure your claims are clear with West Pacific...not entirely with me :-P. I'm just here to be chewed out if I gave Nigeria to someone else and Niger to the other.

Thank you, and have a nice day. Map will be updated here shortly-there-after some things are cleared so I don't have to go through two maps in a day.

Question: Does my military have to be a UK right now, or a UK 3 or 4 years from now? For example, I want the Daring and Horizon-class ships in active service, can I do that?

Also, can I replace that crappy SA80 family with a decent G36?

AHHH

Okay well here's the problem -

I posted the map last night, but jolt apparently didn't feel like posting it.

As well -

I said to give me some crap if I mess up, but not a whole lot. Especially since my past RPGs Africa has not been this important minus the basics *North Africa, South Africa, Congo and Angola Areas*. So, I'm sort of makeing sure my geography is still caught up with Africa. As well -

Koppar West Pacific let me Claim Gibraltar, and I counted those two City-Colonies as a part of the West Sahara because you didn't list them up till the point I sort of got West Sahara. I'll give you those, but I think to hold some interest...I think I may keep onto Gibby.

Dae Well, that's cool and all...could ya please list what you said got screwed up with the map again? Oh, and for Cabinda, that wasn't on the claim list either.


Remember everyone, I'm baseing this solely on the Claim List. So, make sure your claims are clear with West Pacific...not entirely with me :-P. I'm just here to be chewed out if I gave Nigeria to someone else and Niger to the other.

Thank you, and have a nice day. Map will be updated here shortly-there-after some things are cleared so I don't have to go through two maps in a day.

Unless it makes for more work, you could just provide a new link with your next post. That way, we don't have to look through all the page 3's and 4's to find the link. Just a thought.

Also, for the Iceland thread: Excavia, could you just RP the dying days of the "other" Excavian empire? I just don't like to cut off things mid-way, and I like the diplomatic relations it leaves me with Kiwiland and Carloginias, and I hope that as for our diplomatic relations, we can "start anew" as if that whole Iceland thing didn't really happen. Unless you don't want to. It's really up to you.

Okay well here's the problem -
I posted the map last night, but jolt apparently didn't feel like posting it.

Koppar West Pacific let me Claim Gibraltar, and I counted those two City-Colonies as a part of the West Sahara because you didn't list them up till the point I sort of got West Sahara. I'll give you those, but I think to hold some interest...I think I may keep onto Gibby.
OK, I hope you'll keep the same URL to the map, so it's automatically updated in the first post when you upload the new one.

I'm fine without Gibraltar, it not so important for me anyway, and it certainly opens up for interesting RP's this way. I was in fact thinking of handing over Gibraltar to UK, just to open up for future RP's.

The two Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla are on the northern coast of Morocco, not West Sahara - so they doesn't affect your claim of West Sahara (if you are claiming WS?).

Question: Does my military have to be a UK right now, or a UK 3 or 4 years from now? For example, I want the Daring and Horizon-class ships in active service, can I do that?
Also, can I replace that crappy SA80 family with a decent G36?
I would like to say that something that's so close in time is ok to have now.
If it's ordered/decided, and is within a timeframe of five years my suggestion is that we can allow it.

Exaltia, the numbers don't matter so much as the technology level itself. You claimed the UK, so you get their technology, the numbers you can change as you will so long as your posted economy can support it. That doesn't give you a free hand to decide you have 12,000 Challenger II's and 40,000 Lightning II's. Also don't forget that for every one combat soldier you will have anywhere from four to nine troops supporting them.

Psychotica, in the future can you TG me the URL to new maps? Jolt has been rather, crappy, the last couple night, the TG is more reliable and I am far more likely to notice a new TG as opposed to a new post.

Jaredchonia, I am still waiting for a response from Neuvo Italia, if he doesn't respond soon with either a new claim or deciding to take what you didn't already have I will give you Greece. Did you start the diplomacy thread for our possible alliance?

Nuevo Italia, we need a decision, do you want to keep Greece and Italy or would you rather make all new claims?

Ok lets clear something up? Do we have to have the militarys of our claims or are we free to use our GDP as we wish when deciding miltary hardware as long as we use the RL prices for said hardware we can have whatever we like?

For Example am I allowed to have F-22's (Even though we'd only have 12 of them) and the rest of my arifroce F-4 II's? or are we limited in tech to the AREA of where we are...you've never really clarifed that from the old thread.

Koppar Yes, well, Regardless...you have them now anyways :-P.

P.S. Oh, and, I can't do that with Imageshack. If I had access to my old FTP still, I'd use that :-P.

West Pacific Oui, I was about to say that one of these posts. Oh, and...what is your AIM, that'd be helpful.

Public Service Announcement

To make things easier on my end, please IM me on AIM to inform me of little digets that may need fixing on the map.

You may reach me at ClubCrKz .

N. Italia Look at it this way, I can be your ally and...you can go chicken' hunting with a large French Ally. How does that sound? :-P

Ok lets clear something up? Do we have to have the militarys of our claims or are we free to use our GDP as we wish when deciding miltary hardware as long as we use the RL prices for said hardware we can have whatever we like?

For Example am I allowed to have F-22's (Even though we'd only have 12 of them) and the rest of my arifroce F-4 II's? or are we limited in tech to the AREA of where we are...you've never really clarifed that from the old thread.

Well, it really depends on how people will manage their own ecomonies with the resources provided.

I believe it'd be nice if we could put limitations on certain technologies, IE - No over doseing with F-22s for everyone, maybe have a certain number in existance. Yet, that would be unfair. So, perhaps we all have the choice to have so many of 'this highly advanced piece of tech' per 'something of valuable worthyness'.

Eh.

Ezaltia Did you just totally switch nations? lol...

Ezaltia Did you just totally switch nations? lol...

Yeah, I just totally did.:p

In order to aquire F-22's you would have to engage in talks with America to purchase the technology. With the Lightning II you could talk to the United States and Britain, even though the US has production rights the UK contributed quite a bit to its design and construction so in this RP I give them construction right as well. The Type-98/99 MBT would have to be purchased from Russia or China, etc. It's a way of adding more diplomacy, diversity and some realism to the game. Otherwise everyone will have F-22's and Nimitz class carriers.

Well, it really depends on how people will manage their own ecomonies with the resources provided.

I believe it'd be nice if we could put limitations on certain technologies, IE - No over doseing with F-22s for everyone, maybe have a certain number in existance. Yet, that would be unfair. So, perhaps we all have the choice to have so many of 'this highly advanced piece of tech' per 'something of valuable worthyness'.



Well an F-22 Costs $92 Million Each. unless someone had a large economy a very large economy they'd not be able to support many. even the US only supports I think 192 of them and there not even finished building them yet. our Airforce Main stay is the F-4 Phantom II, Cheap, Dirty, Effective weighing in at 16 Million Each. :P and we don't HAVE a navy let alone a carrier lol

WP: the problem is; there IS no America; or China, or Russia etc; just the land; we're either limited to what the collection of the land militarys has access to or we're not and we can spend our GDP as we see fit.

West Pacific: I did. I'll go link it here. Hold on, will edit in response.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518878

I think we should just say "Okay, well indigenous nations have lee-way to a bit more and non-indigenous may purchase"

That's as simple as I can put it.

Somebody asked me to approve my claim? I'll take Italy, Greece, and the rest of the islands in the mediterranean. (Sorry Jared, I'll give you Cyprus/Crete if you want. I'm planning something with Grece)

I think we should just say "Okay, well indigenous nations have lee-way to a bit more and non-indigenous may purchase"

That's as simple as I can put it.

Purchase from where if said Indigenous nations do not exist?

Purchase from where if said Indigenous nations do not exist?

By meaning of Indigenous, I mean those who actually exist there in real life.

So, the USA does not exist but one easy solution is to say 'The Lab that made the F-22 is still in the USA region, so belongs to the person owning it.'

But my other more agreeable idea is -

Allow anyone to have anything, just watch the economy dearly. IE - I'm sticking with more French/Russian designs.

Somebody asked me to approve my claim? I'll take Italy, Greece, and the rest of the islands in the mediterranean. (Sorry Jared, I'll give you Cyprus/Crete if you want. I'm planning something with Grece)

I had something planned for it as well, I wanted all of the Balkan Peninsula unified under one government. You can have both Cyprus and Crete.

I had something planned for it as well, I wanted all of the Balkan Peninsula unified under one government. You can have both Cyprus and Crete.

How about a war? We all love a good war, unstable Political Earth Environment, and hatred all around!!

Can't wait for someone to come on here and claim Germany/Switzerland/Lichtenstein and go by as 'The German Confederacy'.

My goodness - something must have happened since I last came here...

Purchase from where if said Indigenous nations do not exist?

I'd say that the tech indigenity can be derived from the geographic claims - it's not the most correct assumption, but it's the most reasonable one available.

Well an F-22 Costs $92 Million Each. unless someone had a large economy a very large economy they'd not be able to support many. even the US only supports I think 192 of them and there not even finished building them yet. our Airforce Main stay is the F-4 Phantom II, Cheap, Dirty, Effective weighing in at 16 Million Each. :P and we don't HAVE a navy let alone a carrier lol

WP: the problem is; there IS no America; or China, or Russia etc; just the land; we're either limited to what the collection of the land militarys has access to or we're not and we can spend our GDP as we see fit.

Those countries don't exist; it could be argued that those techs from those countries likewise don't exist. However, I think it's much easier to say that the tech inheritance for those claims can be derived from the geographic claims; if the RL country can produce it, you can do so as well.

The problem I think comes from when people want to have whatever they want to have, and while it seems very biased against those countries that don't have particularly strong indigenous industries, it would be strikingly unreal if every country could produce everything that it wanted to produce.

So to cut to the chase: indigenous tech = geographic claim.


That said, there needs to be some authoritative controls over what economies to use, since we're going left and right about what a country's economic potential can produce, let alone afford to produce. You might have a different GDP, but if your economic production does not reflect that, then we've got a serious disconnect between what is projected and what is happening.

I suppose Italy won't be allowed nukes? They definately have the budget/potential...

By meaning of Indigenous, I mean those who actually exist there in real life.

So, the USA does not exist but one easy solution is to say 'The Lab that made the F-22 is still in the USA region, so belongs to the person owning it.'

But my other more agreeable idea is -

Allow anyone to have anything, just watch the economy dearly. IE - I'm sticking with more French/Russian designs.

Well I'd say Cheaper. but it depends on if you want quality over quantiy; for us we split the GDP into several Sections. and we alloted a section for defence; then split that into the land and air forces, Commandoes and support forces (we don't have a navy); we then alloted pay to each brance; totaled that up and took it out of the defence buddget; then alloted 10% of he budget for new purchases; then alloted the rest to maintaining the military; basically it gives us around 9.2 Billion ish to spend on defence over all brache.

How about a war? We all love a good war, unstable Political Earth Environment, and hatred all around!!

Oh, you know how much IRL the Albanians and the Italians love each other.

*strokes his 'Annex Button' and mumbles Greece will be mine...*

Oh, you know how much IRL the Albanians and the Italians love each other.

*strokes his 'Annex Button' and mumbles Greece will be mine...*

Quick question -

Which nation are you playing as?

Also, are you really Jewish? If so, cool, I'm being serious here but I'm trying to study on Conversion to Judaism. If ya want to help, you can >>...as in...well...where to start lol.

*AIM or E-Mail, MSN...eh...or not at all, we'll just keep strange nothing-to-do-with-SYAE conversations out of this thread for now and bring it up later.*

*Grabs button and steals nation*

Being italian, I can tell you how much we LURV the albanians.

Being Romanian, I can't tell you much.

Oh, you know how much IRL the Albanians and the Italians love each other.

*strokes his 'Annex Button' and mumbles Greece will be mine...*

*Grabs button and steals nation*

Being italian, I can tell you how much we LURV the albanians.

I agree with Daehanjeiguk about how different countries have smaller and larger GDP's (reluctantly) and so sometimes when you don't claim the largest industrialized nation in the world, to make up for it you use diplomacy, creativity, and make it up with something else. BTW, is there a good website where I can learn and read about all of the latest in guns, ships, missiles, aircraft, etc. etc.? Because I'm hearing all these new names, and don't really know the prices, capabilities and stuff. I'm still trying to compile a factbook.:p

*Grabs button and steals nation*

Being italian, I can tell you how much we LURV the albanians.

Heh, I'm Italian as well.

I'm Mostly German, then a lot of Italian, followed by French-Canadian, then Irish, with a small bit of Cherokee/Scotch-English.

I agree with Daehanjeiguk about how different countries have smaller and larger GDP's (reluctantly) and so sometimes when you don't claim the largest industrialized nation in the world, to make up for it you use diplomacy, creativity, and make it up with something else. BTW, is there a good website where I can learn and read about all of the latest in guns, ships, missiles, aircraft, etc. etc.? Because I'm hearing all these new names, and don't really know the prices, capabilities and stuff. I'm still trying to compile a factbook.:p

indeed, he does raise some good points; however in that case the GDP isn't really worth a damn for anything other than to say it exists. and it pretty much means anyone in afica is well screwed just like real life.

I agree with Daehanjeiguk about how different countries have smaller and larger GDP's (reluctantly) and so sometimes when you don't claim the largest industrialized nation in the world, to make up for it you use diplomacy, creativity, and make it up with something else. BTW, is there a good website where I can learn and read about all of the latest in guns, ships, missiles, aircraft, etc. etc.? Because I'm hearing all these new names, and don't really know the prices, capabilities and stuff. I'm still trying to compile a factbook.:p

global security is a good western source... there's also sinodefense [if you're chinese...]

try googling sensibly and you should find a good source.

probably the best source for small arms - http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm

Sorry, by production rights I meant posses the weapons. So if a nation bought some T-90's from China in RL the owner of that nation now has production rights to that piece of equipment. Since over 60 nations in RL use Mi-8's pretty much everyone has production rights to them.

Sorry, by production rights I meant posses the weapons. So if a nation bought some T-90's from China in RL the owner of that nation now has production rights to that piece of equipment. Since over 60 nations in RL use Mi-8's pretty much everyone has production rights to them.

So To Sumerise:
Each nation is limited to what his or her country has in real life and can only spend the economy in the way said real life nation does?

I might as well join considering I was in the last one and I was probably the reason it went down the shitter with my failed attempt at acquiring the Cape Verde Islands. Funny story, I became instant enemies with most of western europe and the USA in a matter of a day or two.

Yea, sign me up for Germany, Switzerland, and Leichtenstein. I'll call it whatever the hell I want to call it, although the "German Confederacy" is being considered. Just put down The Federal Republic of Germany for now.

You know how hard it is to find naval information for the claims I have? Holy crap. I've used Google, Dogpile and other search engines and all I can find is that "yes, they have a navy" and not anything about what type of naval vessels they have.....


This is starting to annoy me...

Shaz, try Wikipedia. Look up "(Nation name) Navy".

You know how hard it is to find naval information for the claims I have? Holy crap. I've used Google, Dogpile and other search engines and all I can find is that "yes, they have a navy" and not anything about what type of naval vessels they have.....


This is starting to annoy me...

Indeed; equally for my claims which is why I hoped we'd be allowed to improvise or have some lee-way.

So To Sumerise:
Each nation is limited to what his or her country has in real life and can only spend the economy in the way said real life nation does?

No, they can spend however they want, and they aren't limited in numbers, only type. So if you claim Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan you can can F-15's, T-72's, Chieftain MBT's, etc. You aren't limited to the numbers those nations have in reality either, so if Saudi Arabia has 12 F-15's in reality you can have 90 F-15's so long as you can prove that your economy could support it.

indeed, he does raise some good points; however in that case the GDP isn't really worth a damn for anything other than to say it exists. and it pretty much means anyone in afica is well screwed just like real life.

how else do you equate the economic potential of a country?

And refering to Africa, I can understand how some people don't agree with their GDP (especially the per capita value). But like all things, there has to be limits - otherwise, everyone is exactly the same and war will be the only real dictat of international relations.

I'm personally restraining my own country - while I've increased my GDP by 25%, I've also reduced my population by 25% as well (as affluence tends to have a negative influence on the population of a country). I think that people could be convinced to do alterations on their country's stats, but there has to be some reasonability behind the change. If the RL GDP is somewhere like $500 per capita, I could probably understand it if someone wants to make their economy somewhere around $5000 per capita, but they cannot do it at $50,000 per capita. Likewise, someone with a GDP around $1,000,000 can't simply increase it to $1,000,000,000; but something like $10,000,000 is understandable, maybe even $100,000,000 (depending on their population...).

For my GDP, I factored in black markets/gray markets. When I was researching, it said (I believe Bosnia and another nation) had gray markets that were almost 50% of their GDP, and Romania is one of the largest suppliers and manufacturers of illegal AK47s.

Aside from that, 25% boost.

how else do you equate the economic potential of a country?

And refering to Africa, I can understand how some people don't agree with their GDP (especially the per capita value). But like all things, there has to be limits - otherwise, everyone is exactly the same and war will be the only real dictat of international relations.

I'm personally restraining my own country - while I've increased my GDP by 25%, I've also reduced my population by 25% as well (as affluence tends to have a negative influence on the population of a country). I think that people could be convinced to do alterations on their country's stats, but there has to be some reasonability behind the change. If the RL GDP is somewhere like $500 per capita, I could probably understand it if someone wants to make their economy somewhere around $5000 per capita, but they cannot do it at $50,000 per capita. Likewise, someone with a GDP around $1,000,000 can't simply increase it to $1,000,000,000; but something like $10,000,000 is understandable, maybe even $100,000,000 (depending on their population...).

And there is the rub; I don't mind being stuck with the GDP; when we add them together we get a tidy sum. the problem is type. theres no information on what type of things my claims have in real life; it says they exist but like Shaz; I havn't found any specifics. which so far limits us to Technicals and Foot soldiers basically dispite a large GDP; so our GDP at least militarily becomes worthless.

how else do you equate the economic potential of a country?

And refering to Africa, I can understand how some people don't agree with their GDP (especially the per capita value). But like all things, there has to be limits - otherwise, everyone is exactly the same and war will be the only real dictat of international relations.

I'm personally restraining my own country - while I've increased my GDP by 25%, I've also reduced my population by 25% as well (as affluence tends to have a negative influence on the population of a country). I think that people could be convinced to do alterations on their country's stats, but there has to be some reasonability behind the change. If the RL GDP is somewhere like $500 per capita, I could probably understand it if someone wants to make their economy somewhere around $5000 per capita, but they cannot do it at $50,000 per capita. Likewise, someone with a GDP around $1,000,000 can't simply increase it to $1,000,000,000; but something like $10,000,000 is understandable, maybe even $100,000,000 (depending on their population...).

I'm content with some of m Africa stuff-I'm just accepting I'm not going to be as powerful at the start. I still have one of the most numerous cities-and countries-on the planet in Lagos/Nigeria. The trick is to analyze your strengths and use them to overcome your weaknesses.

So wait. So I can't go and use say the weapons and aircraft that I use for my NS nation then? They are MT and arn't any better than anything you'd find in RL. That and it's a pain in the ass to find weapon statistics for the nations I picked on here. And I have looked everywhere I can and all I can find it that yes that nation has a military but nothing about what the hell they use.

Your countries are predominantly French - you are probably going to use French-derivatives of equipment, and maybe Portuguese. And there's always the ready possibility of Russian equipment too...

Bah I'll explain this later, after trying to word it three times in this post.

And a good issue to consider - should we use the old IC thread for general IC posts? The person who loaned it is still around, and we didn't use too much of it before we "refreshed" the SYAE RP. If no one replies on this matter, I will automatically defer to using it, because we will need to use it sometime in the near future.

Alright, to everyone "stuck" with an African nation, listen up.

You may use any equipment in the Russian arsenal, minus the Mig 29 (and any thing newer of the Mig lineage), Su-37 (and anything newer of the Sukhoi lineage), Type-90/98/99 MBT, Typhoon missile sub, their aircraft carrier (kirov class?) and their nukes. I totally forgot how screwed anybody who didn't claim Egypt or South Africa would get on the indigenous tech rule. Same applies for Latin America. I think it is pretty fair, Russian equipment is cheaper even if slightly inferior to their Western Counterparts and since the Soviet Union sold to any country that would give them cash up front it is not unlikely that your nation already contains some of this equipment.

The french tank of most likely use in Africa would probably be the AMX 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_30). Quite a nice peice of French Equipment, but nothing compared to the NATO and Warsaw Pact Tanks.

I created a new list of IC threads, please post a link in that topic whenever you create a new thread.

Yea, sign me up for Germany, Switzerland, and Leichtenstein. I'll call it whatever the hell I want to call it, although the "German Confederacy" is being considered. Just put down The Federal Republic of Germany for now.

Ahem...

I've rounded my population, and increased my GDP a bit. All four of my countries are pretty high on the GDP per capita list. On nominal per capita, Norway is 2nd, Iceland 3rd, Denmark 6th, Sweden 9th. On PPP per capita, Norway is 2nd, Iceland 5th, Denmark 6th, and Sweden 19th. I don't know how to exactly use that to my advantage in anything though...and thanks for the small arms site, it was real helpful. But I still need like a navy and aircraft resource.

I've rounded my population, and increased my GDP a bit. All four of my countries are pretty high on the GDP per capita list. On nominal per capita, Norway is 2nd, Iceland 3rd, Denmark 6th, Sweden 9th. On PPP per capita, Norway is 2nd, Iceland 5th, Denmark 6th, and Sweden 19th. I don't know how to exactly use that to my advantage in anything though...and thanks for the small arms site, it was real helpful. But I still need like a navy and aircraft resource.

Try Wikipedia. I beleive they have an article on what the Norwegian Army uses and it's command structure.

Animarnia (SYAE)
Total Population: 97,208,133
Budget 110,890,000,000

Total Avalable fom GDP)
Defence - 33,267,000,000 (30.0%)
Law and Order - 16,522,610,000 (14.9%)
Social Walfare - 4,435,600,000 (4.0%)
Healthcare - 27,722,500,000 (25.0%)
National Securty - 9,980,100,000 (9.0%)
Spirituality - 110,890,000 (0.1%)
Education - 11,089,000,000 (10.0%)
Enviroment - 3,326,700,000 (3.0%)
Social Equality - 1,108,900,000 (1.0%)
Public Transport - 2,217,800,000 (2.0%)
Government Administration - 110,890,000 (0.1%)
Slushfund - 998,010,000 (0.9%)

Aprove/Disprove etc?
One thing I DID find was that Chad was outfitted by the US and the French..does that mean we could use some of the older French/US designs?

Animarnia, you do realize that in order to put 100% of your GDP into your budget your income tax rate would have to be 100%, right?

Ok, the M-60 Patton was one of the most produced tank designs in the post WWII world. If your nation doesn't have T-64's odds are it has M-60's in its arsenal. So if your nation was pro-US it will have M-60's, pro-Soviet T-64's or something.

By French you most likely mean the AMX-30.

Information can be found Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_30)

Animarnia (SYAE)
Total Population: 97,208,133
Budget 110,890,000,000

Total Avalable fom GDP)
Defence - 33,267,000,000 (30.0%)
Law and Order - 16,522,610,000 (14.9%)
Social Walfare - 4,435,600,000 (4.0%)
Healthcare - 27,722,500,000 (25.0%)
National Securty - 9,980,100,000 (9.0%)
Spirituality - 110,890,000 (0.1%)
Education - 11,089,000,000 (10.0%)
Enviroment - 3,326,700,000 (3.0%)
Social Equality - 1,108,900,000 (1.0%)
Public Transport - 2,217,800,000 (2.0%)
Government Administration - 110,890,000 (0.1%)
Slushfund - 998,010,000 (0.9%)

Aprove/Disprove etc?
One thing I DID find was that Chad was outfitted by the US and the French..does that mean we could use some of the older French/US designs?

Your GDP and Budget are two different things...

Well then people...

If the list is updated, I'll just re-make the map.

Well then people...

If the list is updated, I'll just re-make the map.

Word of advice, use Photobucket, and use the same URL For the map, it allows you to change it and for us to never have to change urls.

I hate Photobucket but fine...

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Our new, permanent map link!

Oh and...

To Gauth guy...

Yea...

You're nation...

Ahhhhhhhhh....

Will be continued...

Hah, Jolt is experiencing a loop in the space time continuim...

NSECON101: How to do your budget.

Step 1 - Figure out your gross GDP!!!

* If you're using RL stats, this is easy; just add them up. If you're using NS stats, make sure that they're reasonable. Anything else probably isn't going to work, but then again, if people aren't complaining, it's probably alright (not a dictum maxim, but it works...).

Step 2 - Figure out a reasonable tax rate!!!

* Unlike in NS world, you cannot tax the hell out of your people or else one of two things will happen: (1) your people will leave your country for a country that taxes less; or (2) your people will promptly overthrow your government and feed your innards to your pigs. So your budget does not automatically equate to your gross GDP.

* A reasonable tax rate is somewhere around 10% to 40%. 50% is kinda cutting it close, but if you're an especially socially liberal country (i.e. spends a lot of money of social welfare, healthcare, and education), you might get away with it.

* While a realistic statistic includes loss due to corruption, we're going to assume one of two things: your country has no corruption, or your tax rate does not account for the corruption that occurs in your country. In any case, what your tax rate yields is your effective budget (GDP x tax% = budget)

Step 3 - That's it!

* The hard part might be getting your GDP, but after that, it's fairly easy. Just make sure that your government is able to account for its economic development and other industries, because it is realistically impossible to have a militant state that employs 100% of its population in the military, because then no one is left to earn the money that your government makes (unless you believe in plunder and loot, in which case why have territory?). As always,

Here's my budget as an example, although I don't hold it as the quintessential example of what your government should have in its economic stats.

Population: 1,106,891,357

GDP: $15,414,250,000,000.00

GDP [per capita]: $13,925.71

Tax Rate: 25%

Currency: Weon (W)

===BUDGET===
{$3,853,562,500,000.00}

Foreign Affairs: 10%
{$385,356,250,000}
- Relations
={$92,485,500,000}
- Trade
={N/A}
- Diplomacy
={$104,046,187,500}
- RESERVE
={$188,824,562,500}

Defense: 15%
{$963,390,625,000}
- Army
={$302,500,000,000}
- Navy
={$138,875,000,000}
- Air Force
={N/A}
- Civil Defense
={$360,000,000,000}
- Intelligence
={N/A}
- RESERVE
={N/A}

Imperial Affairs: 65%
{$1,926,781,250,000}
- Healthcare
={$774,823,949,550.00}
- Education
={$553,445,678,250.00}
- Civil Welfare
={$166,033,703,475.00}
- Infrastructure
={$109,439,700,675.00}
-- Communications
-- Transportation
-- Energy
- Industry
={$134,874,687,500}
- Agriculture
={$96,339,062,500}
- Civil Affairs
={$55,344,567,825.00}
- RESERVE
={$36,479,900,225.00}

Finance: 15%
{$578,034,375,000}
- Administration
={$55,344,567,825}
- Research
={$173,410,312,500}
- Economic Development
={$289,017,187,500}
- RESERVE
={$60,262,307,175}


* You will note that I have four different RESERVEs - unless you believe inn debt spending (i.e. USA), you should not pay more than what you have in your current budget. In fact, I would advocate "green" budgeting, instead of "red" budgeting, but that's your own decision. In addition, although my budget spends about 25% on defense, it actually is representative of 6% of the GDP, which is not terribly bad. In addition, I actively spend a larger proportion on civil welfare (categorized as health, education, civil welfare, civil affairs = 10% of my GDP). My budget contributes 5% in economic development. The 75% remaining is private (although a small percentage is probably lost as part of my account of corruption) - which allows me more than one venue of development (which I intend to use as part of my private economic development - the long list of companies are going to contribute to the GDP and their proportional share will also pay into my budget :D - but that's probably something left for NSECON 441; another class, another day!).



I hope that this helps people manage their econ stats for future reference as well. If you don't agree with my system, the best thing is that it's not a mandate; but I'm simply offering this as an option. For certain, there are aspects that are absolutely necessary (a GDP, a tax rate that forms your budget, et cetera). If this is too much to handle, please let me know and I can try to manage it in smaller portions.

I hate Photobucket but fine...

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Our new, permanent map link!

I hate to be a real bother, but I have Germany, Switzerland, and Leichtenstein. You don't have to update it right now, by all means take your time. I mean I still haven't thought of a name for my nation...(HINT HINT!)

Why not my name I had for it...

The German Confederation/Confederacy

I wanna see what the others think off first. If nothing extraordinary comes my way, then maybe I'll use that.

Jaredchonia, are you still interested in claiming Turkey? Now that I know Nuevo Italia isn't interested anymore I'm offering it to you since you asked for it in your original claim.

I wanna see what the others think off first. If nothing extraordinary comes my way, then maybe I'll use that.

Just don't try to use "Fourth Reich" or "Greater German Reich". Better yet, just don't use Reich in your name and we won't have any issues. ;)

If I can still claim territory, I'd like Australia, New Zealand, and Papua New Guinea. Thanks. As for the name, I suppose the Confederate Nations of Oceania.

I think I'll be The German Confederation or, in German, Die Deutsche Konföderation.

Now for that Factbook.

Impérial République française >>

Instead of simply supplying a list of errors that need correction, I will supply both the list and a map that reflects the correct of state of affairs (the only time I will do it, because I like to have correct maps, but only so much that I don't want to waste time making maps for everyone).

Errors that are corrected:

- Republic of Congo belongs to Animaria

- Guyana belongs to UPWS (United People's Worker's States?)

- Syria belongs to UASR (United Arab Socialist Republic)

- Morocco does not include Western Sahara (unless you're Moroccan or politically aligned against the Polisario Front).

Error of prior accord:

- Kiwiland's presence in Siberia had been previously established to be restricted to the Far East Federal District, although I'm not absolutely certain if this is the case of if Candistan and Kiwiland ever agreed on the prior ownership of territories in Siberia. In any case, I've adjusted the map to accommodate the prior description of the land ownership in Russia (for this reason, why I hate partial ownership of territories... maps are never absolutely accurate as they already are, and then we have to draw on it now...).

- Hong Kong and Macau are considered part of the PRC, and it would be foolhardy for anyone to claim them anyway - if they need to be claimed formally, I formally do so now. In any case, I have made the change on the map.


I think that this is all that requires attention. There are probably others, but I'm not going to spend any more time with it.

map (http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/daehanjeiguk/SYAE.png)


EDIT - My apologies for completely screwing up the color scheme... that's my private version, so of course, I used different colors to describe some things...

I think I'll be The German Confederation or, in German, Die Deutsche Konföderation.

Now for that Factbook.

sounds Napoleonic...

Can I have India, Nepal, and Bangelesh?

Animarnia (SYAE)
Population 97,208,133
GDP 110,890,000,000
Budget 33,267,000,000

Total Avalable
Defence 9,980,100,000 30.0%
Law and Order 4,956,783,000 14.9%
Social Walfare 1,330,680,000 4.0%
Healthcare 8,316,750,000 25.0%
National Securty 2,994,030,000 9.0%
Spirituality 33,267,000 0.1%
Education 3,326,700,000 10.0%
Enviroment 998,010,000 3.0%
Social Equality 332,670,000 1.0%
Public Transport 665,340,000 2.0%
Government Administration 33,267,000 0.1%
Waste/Slushfund 299,403,000 0.9%
Usage 100%

If I can still claim territory, I'd like Australia, New Zealand, and Papua New Guinea. Thanks. As for the name, I suppose the Confederate Nations of Oceania.

Approved.

Can I have India, Nepal, and Bangelesh?

Approved.

Jaredchonia, are you still interested in claiming Turkey? Now that I know Nuevo Italia isn't interested anymore I'm offering it to you since you asked for it in your original claim.

Can I take all of Turkey and not just the European one?

If not, yes. I'll take European Turkey.

Can I take all of Turkey and not just the European one?

If not, yes. I'll take European Turkey.

You can have all of Turkey.

Not just the wing? ;)

I'll add that to my factbook. Whee.

To ask can I have a white dominated nation which bears some similarities to apartheid, but with quite a few differences?

When I calculate my GDP (off of the CIA Factbook) do I use the GDP (PPP) or on Wikipedia, where there is also the nominal GDP?

Scandinavians, you can do whatever you want (provided it isn't godmodding) with your nation. Do please keep in mind that your actions may receive very harsh responses from the rest of the world though.

Futuris, use Purching Power Parity (PPP) when deciding your GDP.

Also, I can't stress this enough, you can edit your GDP per Capita (which I care more about than your total GDP) so long as the changes are too dramatic and it coincides with any alternate history you have written for your nation. For instance if you write your nations history as having been united for quite a while then it is reasonable that your economy would improve along with your own stability, however if you write a history of decades of civil war it is unlikely your nation's GDP would be any higher than it is in reality.

Also, even though Denmark has Greenland under control (kind of like the US and Peurto Rico), I'm going to officially declare Greenland an independent nation right now (so anyone can claim them). This would make for a higher budget/GDP since Denmark pays a lot into Greenland for political and economic revenues. Svalbard, however (which is technically a territory of Norway) I want to RP taking it over.

Scandinavians, you can do whatever you want (provided it isn't godmodding) with your nation. Do please keep in mind that your actions may receive very harsh responses from the rest of the world though.

Futuris, use Purching Power Parity (PPP) when deciding your GDP.

Also, I can't stress this enough, you can edit your GDP per Capita (which I care more about than your total GDP) so long as the changes are too dramatic and it coincides with any alternate history you have written for your nation. For instance if you write your nations history as having been united for quite a while then it is reasonable that your economy would improve along with your own stability, however if you write a history of decades of civil war it is unlikely your nation's GDP would be any higher than it is in reality.

Yeah, I've thought about writing an alternate history since about World War II, and implementing the Cold War a bit into it. And when I say that "my GDP will be higher now" I don't mean it in like 50% higher, just around 3-7%, to add on to a 25% raise (as are most countries doing), and make my GDP higher by like around 30% (if that's fine with you).

Hey, who would be interested in a EU-style European alliance?

Hey, who would be interested in a EU-style European alliance?

Heh, I believe that was your six-hundreth, sixty-sixth post.

But otherwise, I would be willing to, I think that West Pacific might already have been talking about one in some other thread. I'll post my official response in the IC Thread.

Hey, who would be interested in a EU-style European alliance?

Seeing as how Candistan and I both made posts within hours of each other designed to at the very least cause a rise in tensions and at most spark a war I am beginning to think such a thing would be a good idea. :P

Animarnia (SYAE)
Population 97,208,133
GDP 110,890,000,000
Budget 33,267,000,000

Total Avalable
Defence 9,980,100,000 30.0%
Law and Order 4,956,783,000 14.9%
Social Walfare 1,330,680,000 4.0%
Healthcare 8,316,750,000 25.0%
National Securty 2,994,030,000 9.0%
Spirituality 33,267,000 0.1%
Education 3,326,700,000 10.0%
Enviroment 998,010,000 3.0%
Social Equality 332,670,000 1.0%
Public Transport 665,340,000 2.0%
Government Administration 33,267,000 0.1%
Waste/Slushfund 299,403,000 0.9%
Usage 100%

I like it :D


As to all of the new additions, I will accommodate you with your names tomorrow, since I've got much to do to prepare for tomorrow.

Scandinavians, you can do whatever you want (provided it isn't godmodding) with your nation. Do please keep in mind that your actions may receive very harsh responses from the rest of the world though.

Futuris, use Purching Power Parity (PPP) when deciding your GDP.

Also, I can't stress this enough, you can edit your GDP per Capita (which I care more about than your total GDP) so long as the changes are too dramatic and it coincides with any alternate history you have written for your nation. For instance if you write your nations history as having been united for quite a while then it is reasonable that your economy would improve along with your own stability, however if you write a history of decades of civil war it is unlikely your nation's GDP would be any higher than it is in reality.Alright thanks, by the way as for GDP you mind if I increase mine to 2.7 trilion over India's real one of 1 trillion to reflect the cultural and demographic changes?

As well, you mind if I tweak the demographics quite a bity?

Heh, I believe that was your six-hundreth, sixty-sixth post.

But otherwise, I would be willing to, I think that West Pacific might already have been talking about one in some other thread. I'll post my official response in the IC Thread.

GAH! THE DEVIL! AGH! AGH! AGH!

I think his alliance was aimed toward the Eastern European countries, not all of Europe. I'll check it out.

GAH! THE DEVIL! AGH! AGH! AGH!

I think his alliance was aimed toward the Eastern European countries, not all of Europe. I'll check it out.

Maybe it was just a coincidence......:eek: :confused:

Alright thanks, by the way as for GDP you mind if I increase mine to 2.7 trilion over India's real one of 1 trillion to reflect the cultural and demographic changes?

As well, you mind if I tweak the demographics quite a bity?

I think that 170% is a little too much.

Alright thanks, by the way as for GDP you mind if I increase mine to 2.7 trilion over India's real one of 1 trillion to reflect the cultural and demographic changes?

As well, you mind if I tweak the demographics quite a bity?

define "quite a bity"

GAH! THE DEVIL! AGH! AGH! AGH!

I think his alliance was aimed toward the Eastern European countries, not all of Europe. I'll check it out.

you've just redeemed yourself...

I think that 170% is a little too much.

actually, judging by his apparent distinction between PPP GDP and nominative GDP, he would have reduced his GDP by as much; India's PPP GDP is somewhere around $4-5 tril...

I have decided to just things the way they GDP wise, within a few hundred billion only change, and to just distrubute the wealth differently.

Alright thanks, by the way as for GDP you mind if I increase mine to 2.7 trilion over India's real one of 1 trillion to reflect the cultural and demographic changes?

As well, you mind if I tweak the demographics quite a bity?

India's GDP is 4 trillion USD in real life, the GDP per Capita is $3,700. I don't know where you got 2.7 trillion USD (if it was another member you might have a new target to attack ;) ) but it is a little low. I would say so long as your GDP doesn't surpass the RL US (so approx. 12.6 trillion USD) I don't have any problems with it. Keep in mind when creating your budget that such a massive population will require more money in the healthcare, education, mass transit and social welfare. However with a population so large you ought to be able to field a rather large infantry force, that's a plus.

Source (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html)

The Ludwik Doctrine that I wrote during SYAE at last is almost, but not quite, obsolete on this new SYAE. I wrote that to curtail what I saw as Eurasian aggression against Eastern Europe, he had claimed all of Western Europe, minus the Low Countries, and had kind of invaded Montenegro. It was kind of a bold declaration that I was the de facto leader of all of Eastern Europe and that outside attempts to interfere with my own personal sphere of influence would not be tolerated. Had Eurasia attacked I probably would have been crushed but just like high school by acting cocky I was able to deter my opponent, plus everyone else jumped on board and agreed with my proclamation.

India's GDP is 4 trillion USD in real life, the GDP per Capita is $3,700. I don't know where you got 2.7 trillion USD (if it was another member you might have a new target to attack ;) ) but it is a little low. I would say so long as your GDP doesn't surpass the RL US (so approx. 12.6 trillion USD) I don't have any problems with it. Keep in mind when creating your budget that such a massive population will require more money in the healthcare, education, mass transit and social welfare. However with a population so large you ought to be able to field a rather large infantry force, that's a plus.

Source (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html)Alright, I misread wiki, dang being tired, as well is it alright all I really do for my people is to educate them, give shelter, running water, good food, and basic healthcare for normal diseases, but if they are really sick and cannot afford it they are screwed sounds good to you?

Am I allowed to Rename the Citys/Airbases in my nation if I put up a Decent Map?

Yea, sign me up for Germany, Switzerland, and Leichtenstein. I'll call it whatever the hell I want to call it, although the "German Confederacy" is being considered. Just put down The Federal Republic of Germany for now.
Yes! Great Granate!
Welcome all new nations! This earth is really interesting now, and it should be very fun to begin RP!

I suppose Italy won't be allowed nukes? They definately have the budget/potential...
Well, what are you going to do with nukes? Don't use them...
But once you start to RP, you can RP a development and maybe a nuclear test or something. But you have to expect reactions on that...
And without nukes you're having more money to put into other stuff, such as a greater navy for example.

Pys
You have colored Morocco in your color in the new version of the world map. But it's not listed in your claims, you've only claimed West Sahara.

Morocco is only mentioned three times in this thread:

By Daehanjeiguk (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12359793&postcount=223)

By me (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12359113&postcount=156)

By me (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12355556&postcount=88)

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WP
You can change my name to CCPS - Commonwealth of Communist Portugal-Spain.

About GDP increases, I think the attention should be on what the GDP per captia is rather than the actual size of the economy.

i.e. it is comletely acceptable for Somalia to have a GDP per captia of $6,000 (a 10x increase) if it undergoes some sort of economic development scheme and experienced general peace and prosperity rather than war for its recent history.

On the other hand, for Japan even a GDP per captia of $66,000 (a 2x increase) is outrageous, because there is simply no way the economy can be raised that much except perhaps by giving the country 500,000,000 trillion tons of readily avaliable oil.

The problem with large, populous countries like India is that its hard to see such a large population if given higher standards of living. Normally, population growth slowed considerably because cities are where economic activities are concentrated at, and they tend to become population blackholes as less and less people are welling to have more than 1 or 2 babies.

I'm not going to increase my GDP, mostly because Germany is considered to have the world's 3rd Best Economy. It also has access to it's many Great Military Industries. I also have the Leopard 2 Tank.

Expect my Economy and Military posted in my factbook sometime today.

Gah, jolt kept crashing for me last night.

Anyways, BAH!!!!!!

My map doesn't have Svalbard, I'll try to fix that.

I assumed West Pacific meant Morocco AND Western Sahara.

I see where I did mess up with some places.

And I never was informed the exact border of Siberia for Kiwiland.

Damn you jolt...

Gah, jolt kept crashing for me last night.

Anyways, BAH!!!!!!

My map doesn't have Svalbard, I'll try to fix that.

I assumed West Pacific meant Morocco AND Western Sahara.

I see where I did mess up with some places.

And I never was informed the exact border of Siberia for Kiwiland.

Damn you jolt...

Well, your map includes Svalbard in it, just not part of my country. I'll post something in the General IC Thread, with not a lot of post, on taking over Svalbard. You can just automatically color Svalbard my color.

Do we have a UN Yet?

We'd like to negotiate with Zaire for Transit rights across Rwanda...

We'd like to incrase our GDP by turning ports in Uganda into large Trade hubs; we can export Gold, Oil, Uranium, Coal, Iron and several other things there; turning them into large trade hubs would give our GDP a nice boost.

Would and Western powers be interested in a summit held in NY to discuss free-trade and capitalism?