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Should I make a UN thread?

Just telling you my Diplomacy Part is done. You can begin diplomatic talks

Should I make a UN thread?

We don't need no stinkin' commies in our U.N.

We don't need no stinkin' commies in our U.N.

Oh dip...it's on lol

This is just a spoiler to tell everyone that a
General SYAE IC-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958) is made a couple of hours ago.

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And about the UN-thread, well... I don't know if we need anyone (yet)? But sure, if you feel for it.

@Jaredcohenia: lol, can I sense a bit of cold war, or at least some diplomatic issues here? Sounds good!

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Animarnia,
If you want to negotiate with Zaire, I think you should do it IC (not here in OOC). Maybe in his or your factbook-thread, the general IC-thread, or in a new thread.

Doing this whole map gig takes up too much time and patience to make a factbook...

@Jaredcohenia: lol, can I sense a bit of cold war, or at least some diplomatic issues here? Sounds good!

Maybe, but not now. I was trying to ally myself with Spain and Portugual ;P

Currently I have one problem in SYAE...maybe you know it. Nothing against the commies, but look at what's missing from my claim and you'll find it.

And I never was informed the exact border of Siberia for Kiwiland.

Damn you jolt...

It's disputed.... for a good cause :p

Anyway the Far Eastern Federal District is solidly within my borders, as well as I think a few federal subjects from the Siberial Federal District. You need to ask Candistan about the extent of their claims, but the western end of Siberia (towards the Urals) is considered claimed by my government, so perhaps you can put in some sort of shaded colour? Thanks.

I've made a map but its not with me, unfortunately. I'll post it up tonight or something.

@Carloginias and Newer Kiwiland - I hope you have looked at my responses to your diplomatic announcements. The relationships we created through that "un-war" would, I believe, bring our countries under peaceful arrangements and trade exchange routes.

This facbook thing is taking longer than I expected, and I'm going to be extremely busy during the weekend. I'm going to a chess tournament tomorrow (yay :D) and then I have to work on a project for Monday I haven't even started, and then tennis tryouts on Monday too. I hope there's no "factbook deadline"?:p

Both of us have posted.

Ok Question about Economys.

Would we Be alowed to Add the Per capita of our Claims; then multiply that by our Population to get our GDP. or do we have to just Add the GDP's or our Respective Claims instead..it makes more sense to have one Per Capita rate by adding though if we're being realistic and all?

If so my Economy comes to:
$723.00
$1,700.00
$1,128.00
$1,369.00
$1,519.00
+ $872.00
______________
= $7,311.00 Per Capita
______________
x 97,208,133 People
______________
= 710,688,660,363 GDP
x 30% Tax Rate
_______________
£213,206,598,109 Total Budget
_______________

Reasonable?

Ok Question about Economys.

Would we Be alowed to Add the Per capita of our Claims; then multiply that by our Population to get our GDP. or do we have to just Add the GDP's or our Respective Claims instead..it makes more sense to have one Per Capita rate by adding though if we're being realistic and all?

GDP=all of the GDPs of your nations combined
GDPPC=GDP/population

I added my GDPs together and then got my Per Capita.

It could be state-ran Capitalism, which in itself is socialism in a sense. So when people say they are communist, they are most likey Socialist using one of the Numerous Forms of Socialism.

Shoulden't communist nations innately have a weaker economy then capitalist nations?

Ok Question about Economys.

Would we Be alowed to Add the Per capita of our Claims; then multiply that by our Population to get our GDP. or do we have to just Add the GDP's or our Respective Claims instead..it makes more sense to have one Per Capita rate by adding though if we're being realistic and all?

If so my Economy comes to:
$723.00
$1,700.00
$1,128.00
$1,369.00
$1,519.00
+ $872.00
______________
= $7,311.00 Per Capita
______________
x 97,208,133 People
______________
= 710,688,660,363 GDP
x 30% Tax Rate
_______________
£213,206,598,109 Total Budget
_______________

Reasonable?

You never converted the US dollars into Pounds. If you intend to use pounds, then make the conversion-'cause the per capita stats (everything, in fact) is in USD right now. The 213,206,598,109 number is United States dollars. If you want pounds, convert that figure by the exchange rate to make pounds.

I am posting this here, mostly because of the lack of interest.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518901

It's my factbook/diplomacy/military orbat. Yea I multitask. It's also not done, but most of it is

You never converted the US dollars into Pounds. If you intend to use pounds, then make the conversion-'cause the per capita stats (everything, in fact) is in USD right now. The 213,206,598,109 number is United States dollars. If you want pounds, convert that figure by the exchange rate to make pounds.

AH! Sorry I meant Dollars *nods* I just copied out of Excel (since I use it for 'nation running') and £ is the default Icon and I forgot to change it.

Mt thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518997
More to come soon.

Joining in per Kopparberg's recommendation, again as the United Socialist States of Wagdog; claiming...

Papua New Guinea
West Papua (the Indonesian half of New Guinea)
Micronesia
Guam
Northern Mariana Islands
Wake Island
Solomon Islands

This will allow the core of my nation as I imagine it to remain, without depending on inactivity to grab more right off.

Sorry Wagdog, but I already claimed Papua New Guinea.

True, he did. Would to like to add something else to your claim, Wagdog?

@Carloginias and Newer Kiwiland: Is is okay if we move our diplomatic relations from the Iceland thread to my factbook/embassy thread? I just wanted to have my embassy stuff in one place, and the title of the Iceland thread is misleading. I did post a bit on the Iceland thread though, after you, so....

So to get GDP PPP and GDP per capita, you just take the GDP (PPP - NOT per capita) of all your countries, add them up to get your total GDP, and then divide by population.

True, he did. Would to like to add something else to your claim, Wagdog?
Hmm, OK but that honestly needs to go on the map since New Guinea's still grey. Maybe West Papua could still work; who claims Indonesia?
Oh, and what's up with Palau? Can't leave that little dagger in my flank if I can help it, now can I?;)
Revised claim, still as United Socialist States of Wagdog:

Indonesia
Micronesia
Palau
Guam
Northern Marianas
Wake Island
Nauru
Solomon Islands

I'd like a copy of a blank version of the map you guys are using. Can anyone give me a link to one?

I'd like a copy of a blank version of the map you guys are using. Can anyone give me a link to one?
Here it is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/BlankMap-World.png

Ok Question about Economys.

Would we Be alowed to Add the Per capita of our Claims; then multiply that by our Population to get our GDP. or do we have to just Add the GDP's or our Respective Claims instead..it makes more sense to have one Per Capita rate by adding though if we're being realistic and all?

Reasonable?
In this case it's reasonable, but it's only because you're having African countries.

If it had been western states, with around $30,000 per capita it would have been totally wrong. Let's say you're having three western states and add their per capita together: 30,000+25,000+32,000= $87,000 per capita.
Do you see the error?

You should instead add the GPD (PPP) together, not the per capita, and then divide it with your total amount of people.

But as WP has stated, you're allowed to adjust your GDP a bit to fit your needs, and if you want to have a GDP/capita of around $7,000 I think it's totally reasonable.

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Welcome Wagdog! Nice to have you here!

In this case it's reasonable, but it's only because you're having African countries.

If it had been western states, with around $30,000 per capita it would have been totally wrong. Let's say you're having three western states and add their per capita together: 30,000+25,000+32,000= $87,000 per capita.
Do you see the error?

You should instead add the GPD (PPP) together, not the per capita, and then divide it with your total amount of people.

But as WP has stated, you're allowed to adjust your GDP a bit to fit your needs, and if you want to have a GDP/capita of around $7,000 I think it's totally reasonable.

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Welcome Wagdog! Nice to have you here!

What he said.

Mt thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518997
More to come soon.Question, since my thread is my claim solidified to those lands?

As well, may I now start rping in the threads?

I looked over it and I was bewildered, the percentages don't equal 100% on any of them. Some other things bugged me. I'd have West Pacific Look it over first.

I looked over it and I was bewildered, the percentages don't equal 100% on any of them. Some other things bugged me. I'd have West Pacific Look it over first.Fixed the percents, sorry about that, but I did all the math mentally last night as I could not find my T-83 and I do not like using my computer to crunch numbers. Mind if I ask if the race divsion is a little crazy?

Fixed the percents, sorry about that, but I did all the math mentally last night as I could not find my T-83 and I do not like using my computer to crunch numbers.

T-83? Maybe you mean the TI-83? ;)

T-83? Maybe you mean the TI-83? ;)Really, well that explains the space before the dash mark which has a little dark color on it.:)

Yes the race thing is what first drew me. I wondered about it. Thats why I am asking West Pacific to look at it.

Question, since my thread is my claim solidified to those lands?
As well, may I now start rping in the threads?
Yes, you can start RPing now. It's great to have a India here in this Earth, as it's one of the largest countries in RL, and for sure has a lot of influence.

Mind if I ask if the race divsion is a little crazy?
I think it's good and informative. But you should maybe clarify it a bit more by using bold text on the rows like "Gurkha Peoples: 6.2%: 66,030,000", and maybe indent the lines following the first one(s)?

And I like your Caste System...

To ask can I have a white dominated nation which bears some similarities to apartheid, but with quite a few differences?Yeah, I know its strange someone would want to do this, but I recently heard a person speak about apartheid in South Africa and thought if I tweaked the idea of that a bit it would make for a rather outlandish discussion.

Scandinavians, you can do whatever you want (provided it isn't godmodding) with your nation. Do please keep in mind that your actions may receive very harsh responses from the rest of the world though.Who knows what can happen from this?:cool:

Yes the race thing is what first drew me. I wondered about it. Thats why I am asking West Pacific to look at it.I agree with you there as it is supposed to draw attentention and also I want West Pacfic to okay it before I begin to start to screw around with other nations.;)

The only I thing I screwed with on my nation was the Governmental Budget and the Military. Everything else is as it is in the real world, or atleast it's very close.

Yes, you can start RPing now. It's great to have a India here in this Earth, as it's one of the largest countries in RL, and for sure has a lot of influence.


I think it's good and informative. But you should maybe clarify it a bit more by using bold text on the rows like "Gurkha Peoples: 6.2%: 66,030,000", and maybe indent the lines following the first one(s)?

And I like your Caste System...Thanks I shall begin to lurk the threads for my chance to strike. *Plays Jaws music*

I did indent, but it did not show up.:confused:

As well, thanks as you can see how race based it is and how I exploited the old Indian system which can be used as an argument for my continued domination of India. Also, I have a question does it acutally bear similarities to the Indian caste system?

I would also like some comments on my factbook, which can be found here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518901)

The only I thing I screwed with on my nation was the Governmental Budget and the Military. Everything else is as it is in the real world, or atleast it's very close.Yeah, my Indian nations are very pretty damn screwy.

In this case it's reasonable, but it's only because you're having African countries.

If it had been western states, with around $30,000 per capita it would have been totally wrong. Let's say you're having three western states and add their per capita together: 30,000+25,000+32,000= $87,000 per capita.
Do you see the error?

You should instead add the GPD (PPP) together, not the per capita, and then divide it with your total amount of people.

But as WP has stated, you're allowed to adjust your GDP a bit to fit your needs, and if you want to have a GDP/capita of around $7,000 I think it's totally reasonable.

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Welcome Wagdog! Nice to have you here!

Aye; Oh I understand Adding western states together is like OO;; but the nation I'm RPing has existed as a nation longer than the UK and has a very effective economy; we export over 600,000 ounces of Gold, Uranium, Diamonds, Oil and other natural resources. plus I'm hoping to RP an economic Growth; and hopeing to turn the Tanzania ports into large Trade centres not just with us but people from all over can come and trade here with each other for a small fee of course. So I'm HOPing in 10-20 years to get our GDP up to western standards by increaseing trade and jobs and large industrialisation.

OH yeah - What length or RL time denotes 1 year on this RP ?

Edit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12364380#post12364380
Factbook almost finished Ish..pending update on the economy Maybe

I did indent, but it did not show up.:confused:

As well, thanks as you can see how race based it is and how I exploited the old Indian system which can be used as an argument for my continued domination of India. Also, I have a question does it acutally bear similarities to the Indian caste system?
Did you use the [ INDENT ] and [ /INDENT ] tags? I think it's important to have as many start tags as end tags.
I don't know if it has similarities with the RL case system, I basically just know that it exists in India...

I would also like some comments on my factbook, which can be found here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518901)
I've looked it over, and I think it's very good and realistic.

I really have to do a govermental budget for my nation too...

So I'm HOPing in 10-20 years to get our GDP up to western standards by increaseing trade and jobs and large industrialisation.

OH yeah - What length or RL time denotes 1 year on this RP ?
Yes, that could work, just RP it nice and reasonable.

About the length of a year... It hasn't been defined, so I assume we're using fluid time. One year can be as long as you want it to be to fit the current RP.

A RP where you're developing an increase of your GDP may take a fairly long RL time. But this is only my thoughts about this, and we should let WP say something about this.

Fluid time for RPs, yea that works, but if I were to say make some Frigates for someone else and I tell them it will be ready in 1 1/2 year. I would want that 1 1/2 year to last a while, like a week or perhaps less.

Yes, that could work, just RP it nice and reasonable.

About the length of a year... It hasn't been defined, so I assume we're using fluid time. One year can be as long as you want it to be to fit the current RP.

A RP where you're developing an increase of your GDP may take a fairly long RL time. But this is only my thoughts about this, and we should let WP say something about this.

Oh yah; I know its not going to happen overnight. So should we go with the 7000 per Capita or stick with the current one we have now? (see fact book)


Fluid time for RPs, yea that works, but if I were to say make some Frigates for someone else and I tell them it will be ready in 1 1/2 year. I would want that 1 1/2 year to last a while, like a week or perhaps less.


yeah I think Fluid time depending on the situation.

Uhhh your factbook didn't have a GDP Per Capita. Atleast not one I saw.

Uhhh your factbook didn't have a GDP Per Capita. Atleast not one I saw.

Ah; Forgot to Add >> *kicks it* its about 1500 or something..I don't 'ave excel iopen right now to check.

just check - its $1,483 (added to fact book)

To all greeting me here: Thnx buddies!:D
I take it then this is like on TPE (see sig): add together GDP/pops/forces of my individual claims? Simple enough, having done it before there already, although I'm researching US Navy and Air Force deployments in fall of 2K4 to determine better what would've been @ Guam when I captured it. Indonesia won't make me as dependent on that as on TPE but I'm not taking any chances...
I know that courtesy of (SYAE's late) North Korea and it's running crises there would be a fair amount @ Guam anyway besides the prepositioned stuff (itself nothing to sneeze at), especially with me grabbing Saipan (Northern Marianas) now which has some more of that, but I can't seem to nail it down besides 2-3 SSN-688s, an Air Expeditionary Wing of variable B-52s and B-1s (my default guess is six of each), the prepositioned stuff for a whole Marine Expeditionary Brigade (itself quite enough to get an army started:cool:), and a Navy helo squadron of MH60S Knighthawks. Anybody know more about what warships (especially Aegis cruisers/destroyers and/or Wasp LHAs) and USMC land or air assets were in the Guam/Wake/Saipan area in Fall of '04?

Did you use the [ INDENT ] and [ /INDENT ] tags? I think it's important to have as many start tags as end tags.
I don't know if it has similarities with the RL case system, I basically just know that it exists in India...Nope.

Also, thanks for telling me about those.

How would people respond to an advertisment calling upon White Europeans to migrate to my lands?

sorry for the delay - I'm in a conference that came sort of all of the sudden for me. But anyway, I will try to update my list of countries, so it accommodates everyone.


How would people respond to an advertisment calling upon White Europeans to migrate to my lands?

Try it, and we'll test that theory.

To: Department of Defence, The United Kingdom of Ezaltia
From: High Elder; Lady Agafya Shona O'Hara

it has come to our attention that your nation is updrading its rifles from the SA-L85A2 to the G-36; we assume with this upgrade the SA-L85A2's would be disposed of; instead we would like to buy these rifles off you for no less than $800 Universal Nationstates Dollars with enough 40mm Grenade launchers for all rifes. these will be used to to supliment and eventually replace our AK-47; we would also like to buy the design blue prints for this rifle and Grenade Launcher and production rights there of so we can then produce the rifle ourselves.

It is our understanding the SA-80A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable infantry weapon in the world with a bullpip design in all conditions including forrest, Desert and Arctic condition.

Signed
Agafya Shona O'Hara
On Behalf of Her Majesty;
Queen Katriana O'Brien

I don't remember any post where Ezaltia, (Exavia?) said he was updating his to the G36. Also to upgrade he would have to go through me, since Heckler & Koch is the current holder of the DPR.

I don't remember any post where Ezaltia, (Exavia?) said he was updating his to the G36. Also to upgrade he would have to go through me, since Heckler & Koch is the current holder of the DPR.

He mentioned it a few pages back I'm sure; about wanting to have a UK running slightly ahead of what we are now with things like the G36, Type 45 destroyer and F-35 JSF's in active service. he dosn't like the SA-L85A2; and we don't really like the AK-47 so works for us; either way we stil want DPR for the SA-L85A2

The F-35 is a mainly American Job with many other countries providing equipment. Also the F-35 is scheduled to go into service in 2011, thats quite along time. Most planes from their Maiden Flight go through atleast 5 years of tweaking before they actually get into service. So it would be a god-mod for him to have it now. After two or three game years, then he can begin production and putting them into service. He still won't have much more then 20 after the first 2 years

Also if he wants G36s, he's going to have to talk with me. Heckler & Koch doesn't give out DPRs randomly.

The F-35 is a mainly American Job with many other countries providing equipment. Also the F-35 is scheduled to go into service in 2011, thats quite along time. Most planes from their Maiden Flight go through atleast 5 years of tweaking before they actually get into service. So it would be a god-mod for him to have it now. After two or three game years, then he can begin production and putting them into service. He still won't have much more then 20 after the first 2 years

Also if he wants G36s, he's going to have to talk with me. Heckler & Koch doesn't give out DPRs randomly.

Not my problem :) Either way we hope to buy Production rights and a couple thousand SA-L85A2's so we can start phasing out our AK-47s

Jolt just had a massive wipeout of like, 30 minutes. For those to whom it may relate: Does this occur often?

I think it would be fine if the RL time for one RP year would be anywhere in between 1 week and 1 month. Maybe something like 2-3 weeks, to make it in between. So, let's say it's two weeks, would that mean that if our GDP is 1trillion, our country would be producing 2 trillion per month (in GDP PPP), not accounting for annual growth rate?

I think that a year should either RL twelve days or six days so that a RL day eqauls a in game month or two months.

Twelve days sounds good. What do you think West Pacific?

Aye, a day is a month is the rule i usually go with.

I think that a year should either RL twelve days or six days so that a RL day eqauls a in game month or two months.
Yes, this could work for RP's that need to account a long time (such as large GDP increases, building military ships, construct a new canal, etc). But for other RP's I think we need fluid time as well.

I'm placing my vote on:
One RL day = One month, 12 days = one year. Plus fluid time.

As per your invitation, I would liek to join and have my nation inhabit the lands of Mexico and Central America, a region rich in gold, or at least it was when the Aztecs were there.

Welcome Aurum Domus! May your stay in Earth SYAE be long and fruitful.

Hmm, OK but that honestly needs to go on the map since New Guinea's still grey. Maybe West Papua could still work; who claims Indonesia?
Oh, and what's up with Palau? Can't leave that little dagger in my flank if I can help it, now can I?;)
Revised claim, still as United Socialist States of Wagdog:

Indonesia
Micronesia
Palau
Guam
Northern Marianas
Wake Island
Nauru
Solomon Islands

Uh... Is this too big somehow?:confused: The lack of comment or update on the map has me worried just a tad.
I can switch Indonesia for just West Papua again if needed, but I figured one might as well go whole-hog since the others are population minnows compared to Indonesia...

Our Map editor has a habit of not updating it, sad really.

Oh and one thing I saw from earlier. You wouldn't have B-52s or any major American Equipment because the USA Never Existed in this timeline and the person who is playing the USA never had control of Guam.

Our Map editor has a habit of not updating it, sad really.

Oh and one thing I saw from earlier. You wouldn't have B-52s or any major American Equipment because the USA Never Existed in this timeline and the person who is playing the USA never had control of Guam.
Aah. So how are we deriving our forces? Naturally stuff can be bought, but that major an interruption strikes me as heading down an odd slope since surely it would ripple forward in the timeline. Link to the old SYAE thread so I can have a look-see @ the timeline maybe?

Our Map editor has a habit of not updating it, sad really.
Yes, that's a problem if the map is outdated...

I can help Pys... with it if he wants? I did all the maps for Earth-V back in 2004-2005.

Oh and one thing I saw from earlier. You wouldn't have B-52s or any major American Equipment because the USA Never Existed in this timeline and the person who is playing the USA never had control of Guam.
Well... As this is RL-based I think he can have the equipment because it exist there in RL - and that's the important thing. Otherwise you can say that I cannot have the F-18 in Spain as there is no NATO in SYAE, hence I cannot have an American plane in my Communist Spain? Or what do you think?

Well, this is RL-based, so I propose that if in RL our countries possess a weapon through an organization/timeline that doesn't exist in our RP-world, how about that country gets the technology but not necessarily the actual weapon. Then, the country would simply have to build the weapon, and not have to acquire any production rights.

However, if our RL countries possess a weapon simply through buying it from another country in RL, or being part of the building project of a weapon in RL, then they can have both the technology and the number of weapons that they ordered/built, etc.

For example, my Norweigan Air Force possess several F-16 Falcons because they bought them from the US in RL. And my Norweigan and Danish Air Forces were also part of the building project of the F-35 Lightning II. What does everyone think?

Our Map editor has a habit of not updating it, sad really.

Oh and one thing I saw from earlier. You wouldn't have B-52s or any major American Equipment because the USA Never Existed in this timeline and the person who is playing the USA never had control of Guam.

That's...only been the past two days, and that's because I've been excruciatingly bussy and 'in pain'.

Mind presenting your problems to me, instead of bitching behind my back?

Well, if anyone hasn't replaced me yet...

I'll have it updated tonight.

That's...only been the past two days, and that's because I've been excruciatingly bussy and 'in pain'.

Mind presenting your problems to me, instead of bitching behind my back?

Well, if anyone hasn't replaced me yet...

I'll have it updated tonight.
Sorry.:( I actually meant the initial inquiry about the update for you, as it turns out, but apparently others got their replies in first. Take your time; I've been on heavy meds for pain (speaking only for myself here;)) after both major knee and moderate orthodontic surgery, so I know how handling pain can slow things down.

From what I've gathered and there dosn't seem to be a clear policy on this; it looks like if your nations in RL have B-52's you'd be allowed B-52's; but since no one outside of the US has F-22's then only the person claiming the USA land mass could build F-22's

the eception is Africa who can have any Russian tech; (with the Excepton of Typhoon Class SSNN and Type 99 Tank and I think Mig 29)

That's...only been the past two days, and that's because I've been excruciatingly bussy and 'in pain'.

Mind presenting your problems to me, instead of bitching behind my back?

Well, if anyone hasn't replaced me yet...

I'll have it updated tonight.

You never said you were in pain, that makes a lot of difference.

From what I've gathered and there dosn't seem to be a clear policy on this; it looks like if your nations in RL have B-52's you'd be allowed B-52's; but since no one outside of the US has F-22's then only the person claiming the USA land mass could build F-22's

the eception is Africa who can have any Russian tech; (with the Excepton of Typhoon Class SSNN and Type 99 Tank and I think Mig 29)

I think you mean T-90s. As only 107 where in Service in the russian Military in 1996. The Type 99 is a very modern Chinese Tank, so yea your right in that it wouldn't be used by Africans. Also the B-52 is only used by the United States, sole user. And the MiG-29 was designed in 1977 and introduced into service in the early 80s, so it's possible for African countries to have it. I think you mean the MiG-35 which is yet to be fully introduced into the Russian Military.

I think you mean T-90s. As only 107 where in Service in the russian Military in 1996. The Type 99 is a very modern Chinese Tank, so yea your right in that it wouldn't be used by Africans. Also the B-52 is only used by the United States, sole user. And the MiG-29 was designed in 1977 and introduced into service in the early 80s, so it's possible for African countries to have it. I think you mean the MiG-35 which is yet to be fully introduced into the Russian Military.

I'm only going by what WP said; he said Type 99; he might have meant the T-95 which is the newst Russian tank currently under development.

I think you mean T-90s. As only 107 where in Service in the russian Military in 1996. The Type 99 is a very modern Chinese Tank, so yea your right in that it wouldn't be used by Africans. Also the B-52 is only used by the United States, sole user. And the MiG-29 was designed in 1977 and introduced into service in the early 80s, so it's possible for African countries to have it. I think you mean the MiG-35 which is yet to be fully introduced into the Russian Military.
B-52s may be US sole-use, true; but thanks to Kim "I'm so ronrey" Jong Il, at least four to six Stratofortresses plus two to three Los Angeles subs of various SSN-688 subtypes have been stationed at Guam continuously since 2003-odd. Plus several more B52Hs, B-1Bs, B-2As, fighters, ships and Marines too whenever Kim really acts up. I usually RP my revolution as taking control of my territories coup-style in 2K4, during a mid-high point in Kim's follies, so all those US goodies on stationed at Guam and other seized islands at this time would logically fall into my control; along with at least a few trained pilots (the more liberal and/or alienated ones) to operate them/act as cadre. Those desiring to be repatriated are, as I know not doing this would be national suicide before the scenario even started...
Naturally, this is all moot in a world where the US never existed. But that's how we did things on TPE, and I'm just curious about what my "out of the box" military will look like before any trade of mine changes things. I'm guessing Indonesia-based, if indeed US assets based on some of my claims aren't there anymore; but I have to check the old TL I guess...

Here's a problem with your Guam theory. If you attacked a US Base, even if it was a Coup, you had best Expect heavy American Retribution.

Indonesian Equipment is not bad, it's a weird mix of Mostly American and a few other countries arms. So you could use American weapons, such as the M-16 and some of the smaller American Arms.

Here's a problem with your Guam theory. If you attacked a US Base, even if it was a Coup, you had best Expect heavy American Retribution.

Indonesian Equipment is not bad, it's a weird mix of Mostly American and a few other countries arms. So you could use American weapons, such as the M-16 and some of the smaller American Arms.
Point. But, with most American combat power in Iraq at the time and me having some of the heavier stuff, such retaliation would've hardly been a cakewalk. Remember, in any RP incarnation my nation's leader and his girlfriend/common-law wife learned war the hard way, and well. US political/public opinion might not stomach yet another counterinsurgency operation against a dispersed, entrenched and experienced foe newly-armed with some of the best military hardware ever conceived.
Hence, using suspension of disbelief so that the scenario in question where I do this could occur, one could argue the US had more immediate (if not necessarily bigger) things to worry about in Iraq and Afghanistan than smacking down some penny-ante Reds who probably (the US assumes) couldn't keep the advanced stuff working anyway. Surely repatriating by third-party channels (as diplomatically necessary) the more Bushite officers and men would earn my "regime" some points, right?
Regardless, that's just my TPE and open-world history now. I'll stick with the bulk of my claim since my two Earths' versions can't be identical unless somebody's claim passes to me for inactivity; which I won't wish on anyone.

I'd also like to remind people that you can ask people for Weapons. Most likely you'll have to buy them off them. Hell, I'll sell Leopard 2 Tanks to just about anyone and trust me the prices will be fair. This also goes for other weapons like the G36 and the numerous other weapons manufactured by Heckler and Koch.

I'll get a storefront up and running soon.

I'd also like to remind people that you can ask people for Weapons. Most likely you'll have to buy them off them. Hell, I'll sell Leopard 2 Tanks to just about anyone and trust me the prices will be fair. This also goes for other weapons like the G36 and the numerous other weapons manufactured by Heckler and Koch.

I'll get a storefront up and running soon.Even to me?;)

The only person I may not sell them to would be the French, but thats because they have their own new MBT.

African nations get all Russian equipment except the following: Anything later than the Mig-29, anything later than the T-90 (if I said type 99 earlier I apologize but I'm not the one who put "0" and "9" right next to each other. Plus I think the official Chinese designation is the Type 98), and the subs and carrier.

Back. Was at my uncles.

Hmm... OK. I'll set up my factbook later tonight using the Indonesian et. al. info since that's unopposed at least, from what I can see. Guam and Wake will have to be in abeyance until I learn more.
That said, who controlled Guam and Wake in this timeline? I seized them from somebody (and will gladly RP something of a bad rep because of this if needed...), and although an evacuation is possible I should've captured some things in any half-competent coup; unless they've always just been other minor island states on SYAE and don't have anything in particular to either contribute to or oppose my revolutionary/coup forces with.

African nations get all Russian equipment except the following: Anything later than the Mig-29, anything later than the T-90 (if I said type 99 earlier I apologize but I'm not the one who put "0" and "9" right next to each other. Plus I think the official Chinese designation is the Type 98), and the subs and carrier.

Most African Nations aside from South Africa and a Ethipia and the Northern African states barely have any Russian equipment past T-54's and I know for a fact that only three nations in Africa; Libya, Eritrea, and Algerria have the Mig-29. Only Algeria and Libya have the Mig-25. I would suggest lowering aircraft standards for Africa to the Mig-23 and lower for fighter aircraft and the Mil Mi-24 HIND for helicopters.

Most African Nations aside from South Africa and a Ethipia and the Northern African states barely have any Russian equipment past T-54's and I know for a fact that only three nations in Africa; Libya, Eritrea, and Algerria have the Mig-29. Only Algeria and Libya have the Mig-25. I would suggest lowering aircraft standards for Africa to the Mig-23 and lower for fighter aircraft and the Mil Mi-24 HIND for helicopters.

Sounds good to me, as Eritrea, Algeria, and Libya I believe all belong to different people (I'm very happy Algeria has both Migs :P)

Sounds good to me, as Eritrea, Algeria, and Libya I believe all belong to different people (I'm very happy Algeria has both Migs :P)

That's good. I just didn't want tons of poor african nations sweeping everyone with their uberarmies of T-72's, Mig-29's, and Mi-28 Havocs. That would ruin this lol.

Alright, how shall I make my army?

Considering my state is a bit out there I may want go with Russian weapons?

Yet, India has close western ties I may want German weapons?

As well, since India in RL has U.S. weapons I may want to go with them?

Or I could just buy them from people?

Which should I do?

I could always sell them some Leopard 2's and some Eurofighter Typhoons. :B

Most African Nations aside from South Africa and a Ethipia and the Northern African states barely have any Russian equipment past T-54's and I know for a fact that only three nations in Africa; Libya, Eritrea, and Algerria have the Mig-29. Only Algeria and Libya have the Mig-25. I would suggest lowering aircraft standards for Africa to the Mig-23 and lower for fighter aircraft and the Mil Mi-24 HIND for helicopters.

Problem is can't find any military equipment for my claims on google or Wiki; I think our military is realistc given we've existed longer than the united kindom and have a larger budget than most of the solitary african states. so after spending hours altering my military over to Russian standards I'm not changing it again soon.

I could always sell them some Leopard 2's and some Eurofighter Typhoons. :B

true, but I doubt they have the money to buy more than one :)

Well, for the Eurofighters. The Leopard 2s are slightly cheaper then the M1A1 Arbams tank and slightly more expensive then the T-90

>_>

Candistan (I think..>RSFSR person)-interested in a Non-Aggression Pact? I want an OOC answer before I post IC.

>_>

Candistan (I think..>RSFSR person)-interested in a Non-Aggression Pact? I want an OOC answer before I post IC.

*looks at the Map.*

*Notices the Balkan Union and the RSFSR nearly surround the Eastern European Union*

Hmmm.... somethings fishy....

>_>

Candistan (I think..>RSFSR person)-interested in a Non-Aggression Pact? I want an OOC answer before I post IC.

sounds good to me.

*looks at the Map.*

*Notices the Balkan Union and the RSFSR nearly surround the Eastern European Union*

Hmmm.... somethings fishy....

*notice my NAP with EEU*

*Notices it*

Well there goes my theory of how we were going to kill the Creator of this RP early.

*Notices it*

Well there goes my theory of how we were going to kill the Creator of this RP early.

That all depends on if he lets the Spetsnaz control the crash site in the Carpathians or not...

That all depends on if he lets the Spetsnaz control the crash site in the Carpathians or not...

I think we need to focus on Greece.

*glares at his annex button* Nuevo-Italia has not posted anything for this RP :(

By the way feel free to be critical of me on my factbook/diplomacy thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12366279

you could substitute "northern indians" with "hindi" - and "southern indians" with "dravidians" - since those reflect the general ethnicities in both regions.

otherwise it's all good.

I think we need to focus on Greece.

*glares at his annex button* Nuevo-Italia has not posted anything for this RP :(

The RSFSR is always happy to play the role as Eurasia's trash collector :)

I have a question what were the previous relations between our two nations?

you could substitute "northern indians" with "hindi" - and "southern indians" with "dravidians" - since those reflect the general ethnicities in both regions.

otherwise it's all good.I was thinking of that, but I decided to divide them into less interchangable terms.

I'm actually curious about my own factbook, whether people think it's good, it's too big, it's just right, it's too complicated, it's too simple (you'd better not think that!), or if I'm just being paranoid about my country...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137

Also, I will be updating the list of countries, as according to my country's perspective:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231941&postcount=4

I have a question what were the previous relations between our two nations?

They were pretty good. We each had embassies with each other and an alliance was on the way.

I'm actually curious about my own factbook, whether people think it's good, it's too big, it's just right, it's too complicated, it's too simple (you'd better not think that!), or if I'm just being paranoid about my country...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137

Also, I will be updating the list of countries, as according to my country's perspective:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231941&postcount=4

I think being paranoid about your country is an understatement......

I wouldn't say that it's too big though. It is big, in fact, gigantic, but it definitely provides more information about your country, especially military, than most other factbooks do.

They were pretty good. We each had embassies with each other and an alliance was on the way.Alright got you and will reply now.

For my military, how much money do I pay per soldier in a year? So if my defense budget is around 60 billion, I would have to spend a % of that budget on supporting my troops.

Alright, Wagdog, your claim is approved, but you're not getting the B-52's and Los Angeles class attack subs, you're gonna have to talk to Carlovagina (I'm so clever) or whatever his name is. If what you're suggesting is the case than half the people on the would have Abrams, F-16's, Stryker's and Bradley's because the US has troops in 120 countries. (most of those are Marines on embassy security duty, but it's make my case stronger to include them.)

We're not using a set timeline, Danhanjeiguk is RPing as a China (I believe) that never fell to nationalist or communists. I am RPing as a nation that is made up of former Soviet Bloc nations who did not want to fall under the Iron Curtain once more, it's user discretion.

The tech limit for this RP is 2012, if you can prove that a weapon system could enter service by December 31, 2012 than you may use it. On the issue of the F-35 Lighting II, America and Britain may have a small number already built, (less than 200 per) but any more than that and they will have to build up from scratch. Besides, if you plan to use the F-35 in your Air Force you would be better off not doing it, America. The US Air Force doesn't even want the F-35 but they are being forced to go along with the program by the White House so that the Navy and Marines can get their planes. The USAF would rather phase out some F-16's, move the F-15 to ground support duty and adopt more F-22's as the new air superiority fighter of choice, but the White House has other plans.

For my military, how much money do I pay per soldier in a year? So if my defense budget is around 60 billion, I would have to spend a % of that budget on supporting my troops.

Depends on how many soldiers you want. If you're like me and only want enough troops to defend yourself you can spend less of that budged on the troops. I am spending roughly 125,000 Per Soldier and I am only gonna have around 500,000 to 600,000 Soldiers. They're a modern and well trained fighting force.

West Pacific: Check TGs please

*looks at Zaire and looks at his Anex button*

Oh any one wanting in on the Royal air show?

My nation's total population is around 20 million. I also spend 20% of my budget on defense. What would you say a reasonable size military (army, air force, navy) of people would be?

My nation's total population is around 20 million. I also spend 20% of my budget on defense. What would you say a reasonable size military (army, air force, navy) of people would be?500,000

For purely defensive purposes, I would say 250,000. They would probably have really good winter weather training. Considering your biggest advantage is that you live in a Cold Enviroment with quite a few areas of Mountains.

If you want a more offensive army, I would say more like 350,000. Probably going to rely on more clandestine means of combat though.

My nation's total population is around 20 million. I also spend 20% of my budget on defense. What would you say a reasonable size military (army, air force, navy) of people would be?

1-2% of your population for a volenteer army with 1-2% Reserves
3% if you have compulsory military service with 3% reserves

The devide that number by 6 to get your total combat troops

then split that number by percentage to get your military numbers thats how I did it. our soldiers get paid around $1500 per month; with the commandoes and higher trained soldiers earning around $2500 a month. support gets $500 a month, airforce get around $800 a month and we don't have a navy to speak off

All round our pay and training comes to around $2.5 Billion ish of our defence budget


@WP
Are we allowed to upgrade our tech and design new stuff as our economy improves?

1-2% of your population for a volenteer army with 1-2% Reserves
3% if you have compulsory military service with 3% reserves

The devide that number by 6 to get your total combat troops

then split that number by percentage to get your military numbers thats how I did it. our soldiers get paid around $1500 per month; with the commandoes and higher trained soldiers earning around $2500 a month. support gets $500 a month, airforce get around $800 a month and we don't have a navy to speak off

All round our pay and training comes to around $2.5 Billion ish of our defence budget
I have compulsory Military Service and I still use less then 1% of my population.

I have compulsory Military Service and I still use less then 1% of my population.

it was a guidline really :) down to personal choice; our troops a extreamly loyal to the crown and are willing to fight in large numbers; pluse we have 97 million people odd. works out for us about 460,000 active soldiers (all branchs) with a majority going into the army.

I have 2.5% of my nation in the military, with 40% of that active and 60% reserves. Then I subdivided my military into army, air force, navy. 50%, 30%, and 20% respectively.

I try to steer away from percentages, especially for a country in my position - 2-3% of my population would be enough to wage war on several countries...

I try to steer away from percentages, especially for a country in my position - 2-3% of my population would be enough to wage war on several countries...

You should have like .25% :P

I try to steer away from percentages, especially for a country in my position - 2-3% of my population would be enough to wage war on several countries...

True; but you have to pay and train that many troops; and you got diplomatic mail

True; but you have to pay and train that many troops; and you got diplomatic mail

I realize that... - making it all the harder to choose quality over quantity

Empire of Cripteria

Kazakstan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Kyrgyzstan

(Hmmm.. I hope someone didn't claimed on this territories)

Alright, Wagdog, your claim is approved, but you're not getting the B-52's and Los Angeles class attack subs, you're gonna have to talk to Carlovagina (I'm so clever) or whatever his name is. If what you're suggesting is the case than half the people on the would have Abrams, F-16's, Stryker's and Bradley's because the US has troops in 120 countries. (most of those are Marines on embassy security duty, but it's make my case stronger to include them.)

We're not using a set timeline, Danhanjeiguk is RPing as a China (I believe) that never fell to nationalist or communists. I am RPing as a nation that is made up of former Soviet Bloc nations who did not want to fall under the Iron Curtain once more, it's user discretion.

The tech limit for this RP is 2012, if you can prove that a weapon system could enter service by December 31, 2012 than you may use it. On the issue of the F-35 Lighting II, America and Britain may have a small number already built, (less than 200 per) but any more than that and they will have to build up from scratch. Besides, if you plan to use the F-35 in your Air Force you would be better off not doing it, America. The US Air Force doesn't even want the F-35 but they are being forced to go along with the program by the White House so that the Navy and Marines can get their planes. The USAF would rather phase out some F-16's, move the F-15 to ground support duty and adopt more F-22's as the new air superiority fighter of choice, but the White House has other plans.
Well, that was what I was suggesting, but I'll talk to him and we'll see what we can agree on. (Carloginias, you should receive a TG from me on this subject of what I "inherit" with Guam and the Marianas before I crash tonight. OK?) The idea's called "Succession of States" theory, and although neither infallible nor ever formally codified into international law it remains commonly accepted as proper. Not least by proverbial "new rulers" like my main character, who relish the idea of puppetizing or conquering a country and claiming all their stuff; and in point of argument legally so, to boot.
The fall of the USSR shows both the merits and flaws in the theory. The conventional forces of the successor states do indeed generally reflect scaled-down forms of what was seized on independence, accounting for 15 years of internecine transfers/purchases and returns to Russia of sensitive stuff (nukes) mandated by the Great Powers, plus Russia's own downsizing to match a reduced economic base. But especially then and even now, none of these forces but the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian and (maybe) Kazakh could be considered complete organizations; 'some of the former Soviet Republics had no fighter aircraft, others had no helicopters,' as goes but one oft-noted example by way of paraphrase.

Ahem...Carloginias.....you might want to check your factbook.

My nation's total population is around 20 million. I also spend 20% of my budget on defense. What would you say a reasonable size military (army, air force, navy) of people would be?

300,000 should do well, actually.

For my military, how much money do I pay per soldier in a year? So if my defense budget is around 60 billion, I would have to spend a % of that budget on supporting my troops.

According to the figures I pulled from wikipedia, the U.S. military spends $40,510.7 on every soldier, on average. That includes both active and reserve and probably a few other things, though.

@WP
Are we allowed to upgrade our tech and design new stuff as our economy improves?

Yes.

Empire of Cripteria

Your claim is approved.

West Pacific:
You can change my nations name to CCPS - Commonwealth of Communist Portugal-Spain (Kopparbergs). Thanks!

Pyschotika:
Do you need help with the map? I can assist if you want to.

Alright, I shall check my factbook.

Are we allowed to upgrade our tech and design new stuff as our economy improves?
To Further WP's Comment.

Yes, but it would have to RPed out. How would you all feel if I suddenly said that I had begun Manufacturing Leopard 3 Tanks? You wouldn't feel very good, and would probably start producing your own Uber tanks. Same goes for Planes and other major military Vehicles.

Now when you get to smaller weapons, such as Small Arms, Humvee Type Vehicles, and other small vehicles, the time needed to RP it would be shortened considerably. Since it takes a long time to Develope a new MBT, but it doesn't take as much time to develope a new Assault-Rifle for your forces.

Get the picture?

That being said, I will soon begin rping a development of the Leopard 3 Tank, but before that I will modernize all my Leopard 2s, which will take alot of time as well. The Modernization will take atleast 3 or 4 Game Years to complete, while the Developement alone will take atleast 4. Manufacturing the new tank in Mass Quanities is a whole other picture.

West Pacific:
You can change my nations name to CCPS - Commonwealth of Communist Portugal-Spain (Kopparbergs). Thanks!

Pyschotika:
Do you need help with the map? I can assist if you want to.

@ Kopparbergs:

I will change the name in my own factbook, but essentially your "Chinese" name is the same - I've only added the "Communist" (Inmin) to your country's name, but otherwise, I hope that this reflection does well.

As for manufacturing new tech - I strongly insist that tech not exceed 2012 at the best, and preferentially not to exceed this year (2007) itself. But people have different preferences, so 2012 is alright, since WP has allowed it. But for manufacturing the tech, you should make up for about 15 years at least - from research to production. Smaller equipment can be reduced, but larger equipment can take longer. Besides, time is rather relative in NS, so as long as it's reasonable, it'll do fine. But as a standard when all others fail, 15 years from research to production.

Don't know if I mentioned this already, but let's go with 12 days = one year, I usually go two weeks but upon further review the one day equal to one month is a lot easier to keep track of.

When I'm done with my airforce stats (almost done!!!), I'll post a new thread dedicated to the economic part of my country. Basically, it will serve as a storefront for all things Han, and it won't be restricted to simply weapons - I'll have chemicals, foodstuff, and other useful items for sale there, so we can have a dynamic economic system in operation.

I've finished my facbook, except that I still need to update my Int. Relations. I'm a little concerned if my defense budget can fit in my military, but otherwise, it seems to be fine, I think.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518895)

I've finished my facbook, except that I still need to update my Int. Relations. I'm a little concerned if my defense budget can fit in my military, but otherwise, it seems to be fine, I think.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518895)

85.3 billion dollars for 600,000 troops is well within reason - in fact, it's very well furnished.

Although we have established relations, and in fact have traded embassies:

*** Scandinavian State of Futuris [北西洲狀態 (북서주상태)]
His Imperial Majesty's Ambassador Prince Jang Seungeop[張承業 (장승업)] - Stockholm
His Imperial Majesty's Emissary Pordis Smith

85.3 billion dollars for 600,000 troops is well within reason - in fact, it's very well furnished.

Although we have established relations, and in fact have traded embassies:

Yeah, and it's not really such a large % of my pop. I try to keep that up since my countries usually spend a lot on welfare, and my tax rate shows it:rolleyes: My main concern was with my equipment (tanks, aircraft, ships, etc.) because I increased them a bit from RL stats. Then again, I totally increased the percentage of military spending of the GDP, so I guess it's okay. Sorry about the embassy stuff, but I haven't gotten around to updating it since like my first post. I have a bunch of hw to do, and this one essay for tomorrow...

SIC

Project Eclipse has commenced in Western Wales at a top-secret RAF testing facility. High Command, although mostly pleased with the EF-2000 Typhoon, determined that it needed something that could really go head-to-head with the Carloginian Raptor.

The XFA-99, as it is called now, is in the initial design stages. Reports are sketchy at the moment, but the aircraft is expected to be stealthy, maeuverable, and carry a large internal payload. RAFHC has refused to comment on the new fighter, although the following picture was taken on the HMS Illustrious.

http://fromtheinside.us/multi-media/airvehiclenumber102.jpg

The plane is expected to be operational in 3 years.

reflecting that operational does not equate to production...

further reflecting that 3 years of development is extraordinarily short for a new plane development from scratch...

further reflecting that if the plane is in the design stage it would be rather improbable to have pictures of the said plane launching from a aircraft carrier...

Hey! how can i know amounts of Regular army of mine and Reserve army of mine?? is there any specific form for that?

reflecting that operational does not equate to production...

further reflecting that 3 years of development is extraordinarily short for a new plane development from scratch...

further reflecting that if the plane is in the design stage it would be rather improbable to have pictures of the said plane launching from a aircraft carrier...

Exactly, operational does not mean production. Production should take anothe year or two.

The picture really doesn't mean anything, it was mostly there just for fluff.

Exactly, operational does not mean production. Production should take anothe year or two.

The picture really doesn't mean anything, it was mostly there just for fluff.

I'd say
three years design
then five years tweak

so thats 8 game years before it can go into production and I second the comment about there wouldn't be a pic of it in the design stage yet..

My biggest problem wiht extending the production time is that if we're going by 1 day=1 month, it would take a good 100 or so days for this thing to see action. And in 100 days, SYAE probably won't be around anymore.

What I propoese is that we handle time like in regular NS, with 1 day=1 year unless something big is going on. I think that with the day/month plan, nothing can really get done.

Are there any countries still left in this?

Yes, some large chunks of Africa are still abailable as well as Finland and some Pacific Island nations.

Ok, I'd like to claim Finland and a couple of Africa countries (I'll try and work out which ones haven't been taken), even though they are far apart, though I'm quite unsure about what this is all about. I know it involves RPing - but is it like your forces invade these countries, or you just write about these countries or something completely different. I'm sure it says somewhere, but I can't find it.

12 Days for a year is way too long. 1 Day for a year is way too short. I propose 6 Days equal a year.

12 days, this is a marathon, not a sprint.

My biggest problem wiht extending the production time is that if we're going by 1 day=1 month, it would take a good 100 or so days for this thing to see action. And in 100 days, SYAE probably won't be around anymore.

What I propoese is that we handle time like in regular NS, with 1 day=1 year unless something big is going on. I think that with the day/month plan, nothing can really get done.
Stick to existing air planes and your problem is solved. ;)

I'm in Earth-V too, and it has existed since 2004 (or maybe 2003). To say that SYAE is dead within three months is to give up before we even started.

I think it's good with slow progess of time. 1 day = 1 month is fine with me.

Considering that I've spent enough time making the Imperial Calendar fit to the 1 day = 1 month regimen, I've already decided the same. Besides, I'm not on often, so there's no point to being away for years at a time to see that the world has radically changed over a period of five days or even 24 hours.

BTW, the calendar is based off the coronation date of the Gwangmu Emperor, which I personally find convenient when describing the years. Not to impress this upon anyone, but I felt that a public post would be useful - the same calendar information can be found in my "history" post.

Imperial Year [Chinese (Hanja)] {RL Date}

Year 1 Gwangmu [一年光武 (일년광무)] {2007.01.20}
Year 2 Gwangmu [二年光武 (이년광무)] {2007.02.01}
Year 3 Gwangmu [三年光武 (삼년광무)] {2007.02.13}
Year 4 Gwangmu [四年光武 (사년광무)] {2007.02.25}
Year 5 Gwangmu [五年光武 (오년광무)] {2007.03.09}
Year 6 Gwangmu [六年光武 (육년광무)] {2007.03.21}
Year 7 Gwangmu [七年光武 (칠년광무)] {2007.04.02}
Year 8 Gwangmu [八年光武 (팔년광무)] {2007.04.14}
Year 9 Gwangmu [九年光武 (구년광무)] {2007.04.26}
Year 10 Gwangmu [十年光武 (십년광무)] {2007.04.26}
Year 11 Gwangmu [十一年光武 (십일년광무)] {2007.05.08}
Year 12 Gwangmu [十二年光武 (십이년광무)] {2007.05.20}
Year 13 Gwangmu [十三年光武 (십삼년광무)] {2007.06.01}
Year 14 Gwangmu [十四年光武 (십사년광무)] {2007.06.13}
Year 15 Gwangmu [十五年光武 (십오년광무)] {2007.06.25}
Year 16 Gwangmu [十六年光武 (십육년광무)] {2007.07.07}
Year 17 Gwangmu [十七年光武 (십칠년광무)] {2007.07.19}
Year 18 Gwangmu [十八年光武 (십팔년광무)] {2007.07.31}
Year 19 Gwangmu [十九年光武 (십구년광무)] {2007.08.12}
Year 20 Gwangmu [二十年光武 (이십년광무)] {2007.08.24}
Year 21 Gwangmu [二十一年光武 (이십일년광무)] {2007.09.06}
Year 22 Gwangmu [二十二年光武 (이십이년광무)] {2007.09.18}
Year 23 Gwangmu [二十三年光武 (이십삼년광무)] {2007.09.30}
Year 24 Gwangmu [二十四年光武 (이십사년광무)] {2007.10.11}
Year 25 Gwangmu [二十五年光武 (이십오년광무)] {2007.10.23}
Year 26 Gwangmu [二十六年光武 (이십육년광무)] {2007.11.05}
Year 27 Gwangmu [二十七年光武 (이십칠년광무)] {2007.11.17}
Year 28 Gwangmu [二十八年光武 (이십팔년광무)] {2007.12.01}
Year 29 Gwangmu [二十九年光武 (이십구년광무)] {2007.12.13}
Year 30 Gwangmu [三十年光武 (삼십년광무)] {2007.12.25}


And one last thing - if I made a "History and Cutural Traditions of the Han" RP thread seminar, would people attend? If I did do an RP like that, I would pose as a Han professor giving instruction to non-Han people, answering questions about Han culture and history, so as to give people an idea about what my government and culture is like. It is mostly different in name than anything else, but there are some differences that I feel should be noted, and a seminar RP would be a fun way to communicate those differences. Otherwise, I'll trust that people will be knowledgeable and learn this stuff as it comes.

I would like to take Finland (the main country I want) and Benin and Burkina Faso is they are still aviable. If not, I'll choose other Western African countries.

I know it involves RPing - but is it like your forces invade these countries, or you just write about these countries or something completely different. I'm sure it says somewhere, but I can't find it.

Also could someone help me by explaining the basic process of it all. Thanks.

Stick to existing air planes and your problem is solved. ;)

I'm in Earth-V too, and it has existed since 2004 (or maybe 2003). To say that SYAE is dead within three months is to give up before we even started.

I think it's good with slow progess of time. 1 day = 1 month is fine with me.

I'm not giving up on this RP, I'm just stating the facts. If I recall correctly, the first SYAE only lasted a month or so.

No one ever responded OCC to my meeting regarding free-trade and capitalism.

No one ever responded OCC to my meeting regarding free-trade and capitalism.

OOC: You haven't responded to my post on your factbook yet either....

IC:

Ludvik Kjaer, Minister of Trade

To the Carloginian State of America,

We will be happy to talk about free trade/capitalism with many countries. We have already made an offer to your country for trade, and are willing to host this event in one of the large halls of the International Embassy of Stockholm. The SSF hopes that other countries will also join this meeting, as it could lead to prosperous trade relations with nations around the globe.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

I've finished my nation factbook..

If you want see this, please click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519295)

I would like to take Finland (the main country I want) and Benin and Burkina Faso is they are still aviable. If not, I'll choose other Western African countries.



Also could someone help me by explaining the basic process of it all. Thanks.

Okay, so here it is. Basically, this Earth SYAE is at present-tech level, meaning that no weapon tech in the RP (roleplay) can exceed the weapon techs of RL (real-life) to 2012. This means that if a weapon in RL is in production/advanced development by 2012, you can research it and stuff.

Your claims and such repersent your countries for the whole RP. You need to create a factbook on your countries. Criperia's seems to be actually very good. Mine is a little long, but if you want to put in the effort, go ahead. You want to use RL stats for your pop. and GDP (although you can increase it by up to like 50% I think) if you want to. Mostly just keep things like that. Here's a link to a good starting place, and then use Wikipedia for the rest. CIA World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html) I got it from Shazbotdom.

Once you've got your factbook done, just do what you want to do. You can develop your army, improve social welfare, invade your neighbors (although since I'm one of your neighbors, I wouldn't advise it...) etc. etc. To do all this, you RP (roleplay) it. So, you forget who you are in the real world, and immerse yourself in Earth SYAE. Act out situations, send letters to countries, establish embassies. For example, if you want to declare war (i.e. on me), you would need to probably create a seperate thread (for big things like wars, do seperate threads) and perhaps start with the mobilization of your army. Then, I would respond with something, maybe for aid, maybe propaganda about your nation, etc. and probably the mobilization of my army. As more and more nations join in, they can join sides/create alliances, urge peace, or stay isolationist. The more nations that participate in an RP, usually the better and more interesting. IMORTANT NOTE: Do not godmod in RP's. What godmodding is, is for example, when I post an RP where I attack your troops with my tanks plus air support, godmodding would be to say "Well, all my troops are equipped with stealth, and super-super body armour." or something stupid like that. Try to stay away from telling what your opponent suffered, only what your own forces suffered in an attack.

So that's basically it. 1 RL day = 1 RP month, I'm sure you've figured that out by now....

Try and look on to other people's RP posts (I've looked at, but never wrote them myself) to get a sense for how to write them. If you suck at it, don't worry, because we were all beginners once:p

Good luck. You'll need it. And, in a rather "IC" note (OOC = out of character, meaning saying stuff that is just two people in front of computers talking to each other, IC = in context, so like the countries that you're RPing "talking" and stuff.

Anyways, IC:

Carl Jacobsson, Minister of Foreign Affairs

To Honako,

The Scandinavian State of Futuris would like to estabish embassies with your great nation. We feel that relations with our next-door neighbor should be especially good, as together, we can be very stong. We are then officially inviting your diplomats to the International Embassy of Stockholm to develop further relations.

We hope that this is the beginning of a long and prosperous relationship.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

I've finished my nation factbook..

If you want see this, please click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519295)Looks good.:)

Cripteria, could you please provide links to the site where you found that one of your claimed nations uses the T-84 (to my knowledge on Ukraine uses this tank) and the Leopard 2A4 in RL.

I offer my Factbook as a basis for anyone needing a visual aide.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518901

Cripteria, could you please provide links to the site where you found that one of your claimed nations uses the T-84 (to my knowledge on Ukraine uses this tank) and the Leopard 2A4 in RL.

Ah, I just wrote down whatever i like, so it's so far from fact :P

Not a good way to start out.

Ah, I just wrote down whatever i like, so it's so far from fact :P

Yeah, you'll need to fix that...

Granate:

Are there other companys in your nation that would need a large amount of factories? and our shipbuilding ports are up for rent too...granted they havn't been used since world war 2; our navy currently consists of a few WWII warships and WWII era Subs that have no staff or crew anyway.

(though if anyone wants to invest in our nation offers are welcome)

Uhh not right now anyways. In 10 Game years, possibly. I may need extra Factories to produce the Leopard 3 Tank

OOC: Thanks Futuris. I've had some experience Rping if you look on my posts/threads in my profile, about terrorism and meetings of state etc. but never about war and I'm not really rubbish (to my knowledge :p ). What I was basically confused about was what I should do with my countries, but I have the general idea now, so thanks. For more info about my nation you can look here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519115) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519326), one of them is a thread for embassy exchange.

IC:

To: The Scandinavian State of Futuris

We are very interested in the exchanging of embassies. Please tell us your specs. and we will be on it.
And seeing as our nations are close geographicly we also agree with you that an alliance would be good. We hope to start diplomatic talks soon, and would be very interested in a general alliance.

Honako Independence Commission

As per request from West Pacific, I will be posting a new map - I'm doing only because the other map is getting more and more outdated. And that said, if Psychotic cannot manage to handle map making responsibilities, someone please take it. I'm only doing this because I have a map that works - I would not otherwise be able to stay up to date for long, especially when land starts to change hands (wars...). So someone who can be more responsible than I, please take this.

(hot potato...)

I will edit this post with a link later.

Well, I've offerd to help with the map twice, but without response.

As told before, I managed the maps for Earth-V back in 2004-2005, and I think it's a fun job as I love geography. I can do the map for Earth SYAE, but if Pys want to continue to do it, I'm fine with it.

I'll try to have a map up tomorrow, so it's nice if you can post your map before that. I'm also going to make a separate map-thread for SYAE.

After seeing Amazonian Beasts have our two african countries we would be happy to change to Mozambique and Zambia.

Kopparbergs, if you would like to make a map that would be great, Daehanjeiguk talked to me VIA TG and he is willing to make the map but not eager, if you want to make a map go for it.

Ok, I updated the map, but as you can tell this is only temporary because my skills with photoshop suck.

Ok, I updated the map, but as you can tell this is only temporary because my skills with photoshop suck.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/daehanjeiguk/SYAE.png

Here's a functioning map - I'd be glad if Kopparbergs did take the map editing job, because he has expressed a lot of interest.

If there is anything wrong, please let me know so I can fix it [more so for myself than everyone else, but until people agree on a map editor, I will do so...]

{OOC: The map shows the Republic of the Congo as belonging to me. I only have the DRC, not both Congos.}

OOC: Thanks Futuris. I've had some experience Rping if you look on my posts/threads in my profile, about terrorism and meetings of state etc. but never about war and I'm not really rubbish (to my knowledge :p ). What I was basically confused about was what I should do with my countries, but I have the general idea now, so thanks. For more info about my nation you can look here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519115) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519326), one of them is a thread for embassy exchange.

IC:

To: The Scandinavian State of Futuris

We are very interested in the exchanging of embassies. Please tell us your specs. and we will be on it.
And seeing as our nations are close geographicly we also agree with you that an alliance would be good. We hope to start diplomatic talks soon, and would be very interested in a general alliance.

Honako Independence Commission

reflecting that this thread is a general ooc thread, and furthermore reflecting that IC posts should be posted in the ic thread or their appropriate thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958

Can some of you TG or post some websites about equipment and planes, and then like for me?

{OOC: The map shows the Republic of the Congo as belonging to me. I only have the DRC, not both Congos.}

The map that I've just made does not show that...

reflecting that this thread is a general ooc thread, and furthermore reflecting that IC posts should be posted in the ic thread or their appropriate thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518958

OOC: Sorry, but Honako didn't have an embassy thread yet, and I wanted to establish relations pretty quickly. I love the map. And my favorite color is orange:p

Can some of you TG or post some websites about equipment and planes, and then like for me?

Some links for you.

F-15 Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15)
F-15E Strike Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15E_Strike_Eagle)
F-16 Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16) (When you presumably start selling these off in favor of the F-35 give me a call)
F/A-18 Hornet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-18)
F-22 Raptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22)
F-35 Lightning II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35)
B-1 Lancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-1_Lancer) (Can I buy some of your decommissioned B-1's?)
B-2 Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit)
B-52 Stratofortresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52)
C-130 Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130)
M1 Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams)
Stryker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker) (Any chance I can talk you into selling some of them?)
M2 Bradley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley) (Includes production numbers for M2 and M3)
HMMWV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMMWV)
M109 Howitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer)

What RL date does the year tick over to 2008?

Some links for you.

F-15 Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15)
F-15E Strike Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15E_Strike_Eagle)
F-16 Fighting Falcon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16) (When you presumably start selling these off in favor of the F-35 give me a call)
F/A-18 Hornet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-18)
F-22 Raptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22)
F-35 Lightning II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35)
B-1 Lancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-1_Lancer) (Can I buy some of your decommissioned B-1's?)
B-2 Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit)
B-52 Stratofortresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52)
C-130 Hercules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130)
M1 Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams)
Stryker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker) (Any chance I can talk you into selling some of them?)
M2 Bradley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley) (Includes production numbers for M2 and M3)
HMMWV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMMWV)
M109 Howitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer)

I though finding US Arms would be easier then anything else.

Granate, finding specs is easier but finding exact numbers is harder, not as hard as Ukraine which falls in the area of too many to count every single one but not enough to really be worth tracking. The CIA is more open to disclosing the number of tanks in say Slovakia or Yugoslavia than our own numbers. The production numbers are listed for most US equipment as well as the number of systems sent overseas, so to find out the number the US has it is easiest to subtract exports from the total production values.

Question can I simply occupy the small nation of Bhutan? Well, of course I would post a few posts of simple combat, but my main one would be either resistance fighters against me and with people who 'want' to rid themselves of their absolute monarch. How does that sound?

Question can I simply occupy the small nation of Bhutan? Well, of course I would post a few posts of simple combat, but my main one would be either resistance fighters against me and with people who 'want' to rid themselves of their absolute monarch. How does that sound?

try it - we'll see how it goes.

try it - we'll see how it goes.Hmmmm... as long as you do not militarly respond.

Hmmmm... as long as you do not militarly respond.

Thats what's so exciting about it. You don't know what he is going to do, you have to be prepared for everything.

Question can I simply occupy the small nation of Bhutan? Well, of course I would post a few posts of simple combat, but my main one would be either resistance fighters against me and with people who 'want' to rid themselves of their absolute monarch. How does that sound?

I've attacked Svalbard in a seperate thread, and no one really objected. I'm getting a new post in, which may be "quite disconcerting" to some nations. Technically, Svalbard already belongs to me (in RL, as a dependancy to Norway) but it was more fun to attack it first.

I'm still surprised that I've only gotten 3 Weapons deals done. I was expecting alot more.

Thats what's so exciting about it. You don't know what he is going to do, you have to be prepared for everything.

you don't know that I am going to be one to respond...

you don't know that I am going to be one to respond...

Or do I? :eek:

I'm still surprised that I've only gotten 3 Weapons deals done. I was expecting alot more.

I'm using 5.8mm weapons (so-called "Chinese" ammunition), so it's not like I don't like German weapons - it's more that they don't work with the rest of the stuff that I've got...

Who wants to have a weapons deal with me worth hundreds of billions?

Who wants to have a weapons deal with me worth hundreds of billions?

*jumps up and down* Ooh! Pick me! Pick Me!

*jumps up and down* Ooh! Pick me! Pick Me!

Indian's love Russian Equipment, not so much with German Equipment. Even though German Equipment is better....

Oh, if you're looking for new tanks take my T-84, it's not quite up to class with the Leopard 2A6, Leclerc, M1A1, Challenger 2 or Merkava IV but it can give all of those a run for their money at a much lower cost.

Indian's love Russian Equipment, not so much with German Equipment. Even though German Equipment is better....Do not mock the Ak-104!;)

Yet, I agree Germans have more advanced and more efficent equipment then Russians, though Russians do have that little extra humph in their weapons, if you know what I mean.:D

eh, Chinese is pretty good too, but it's perhaps too cheap (quality) to be worthwhile to export... although Pakistan is in a running craze to work with China nonetheless.

anyone else want to come to the Animarnian Airshow?

As for Weapons,I like the british stuff *nods*

Do not mock the Ak-104!;)

Yet, I agree Germans have more advanced and more efficent equipment then Russians, though Russians do have that little extra humph in their weapons, if you know what I mean.:D

The Leopard 2 tank has been called the Greatest Tank ever created by multiple Groups. H&K are world renowned for their weapons that are not only durable, but deadly accurate. Hell they're working on new assault rifle that can beat the AK in terms of Durability.

I did a poll on a site called International Military Forums, it was a single elimination tournament of sorts to discover the best tank in the world. In the "semi-final" the Leopard 2 was matched against the Abrams, they ended in a tie in that round and in the "final round" the Leopard 2/Abrams was chosen as being superior to the Challenger II so they tied for the coveted title of best tank in the world. Which shouldn't be too surprising when one considers that the Leopard 2 and Abrams both started as the MBT-70 joint development program.

Hey, West Pacific. You should check out the General IC thread. You might like some of the stuff in there now.

@Carloginias: So, are you purposefully ignoring my request for a trade? I mean, if you don't want to, just say so. It's been three days you know...

I don't know exactly what those are, so that was why I was asking for a military site.

WP, this attack on the RSFSR by the Chechens is going to BIG...big enough to spark possibly the worst violation of human rights ever exhibited in the history of mankind....so keep posted on the situation, you could be a major player on my side or maybe against it.

Ready and waiting for the fireworks to start.

You can throw another post on the thread if you want, I still need a few more minutes to research damage and such.

Oh hoho yes...a lot of people are going to die...

Agh time warp!

Is some people gonna die?

War near me? Not good, not good at all.

The aid rushing in was supposed to report that there were two nuclear explosions in Russia. One in St. Petersberg, another in Moscow, so I will play the waiting game.

How much would Prod. Rights to the Leopard 2 cost me? :O

It has begun...

More then you can possibly imagine. Also it depends on the version, base version wouldn't be that much, but then again thats 1980's equipment. 2A5 and up would never be DPR'd

Then screw you guys, I'm going to bother the Russians.

How much will 500 T90s cost me my good sir, Candistan? *opens wallet*

I'll figure it out in a bit, but they wouldn't be delivered for quite some time considering Russia just suffered the worst nuclear attack in the history of mankind.

o.o by the hands of whom?

Then screw you guys, I'm going to bother the Russians.

How much will 500 T90s cost me my good sir, Candistan? *opens wallet*

I'll figure it out in a bit, but they wouldn't be delivered for quite some time considering Russia just suffered the worst nuclear attack in the history of mankind.

We don't give out DPRs like Cookies. They are serious things that Germany must take into account. For one we have almost no relations with you, that immediately turns us off. Two, Your region isn't known as the most stable region in the world, another turn off.

If you want some Leopard 2A4s, I'd more then happy to help you. It's just that I don't give out DPRs very easily. No offense.

Guys, when was the last time a DPR was sold on modern military equipment in RL? Exactly, it doesn't happen, nations don't still billions of dollars designing a new piece of military machinery only to sell away their rights to the technology. And Russia doesn't even have 500 T-90's yet, those India has ordered an additional 340 to their 310 they currently have. Now having said that, Jaredchonia, I did offer to sell the T-84 to you, but not production rights.

Where's Futuris? I need some response out of his Invasion of Svarlbard thread.

Guys, when was the last time a DPR was sold on modern military equipment in RL? Exactly, it doesn't happen, nations don't still billions of dollars designing a new piece of military machinery only to sell away their rights to the technology. And Russia doesn't even have 500 T-90's yet, those India has ordered an additional 340 to their 310 they currently have. Now having said that, Jaredchonia, I did offer to sell the T-84 to you, but not production rights.

And yes, I traded 10 of them for 30 of my tanks. And I know it's a lot, but could you spell my nation's name right, West Pacific? It's Jaredcohenia, not Jaredchonia.

And it's funner to get tank production rights than the actual tank itself. The way I see it, my people in factories need to learn how to develop better tanks in order to further upgrade my own national tanks. Never hurts to ask, does it? :P

And also, who said anything about the tanks? I'm sure they have 500 of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_T90

DPR is a very cherished thing - I almost laugh every time someone sells a DPR for some really expensive or modern piece of equipment, because they're basically giving it away for free. Of course, DPRs are more expensive, but consider the following:

Country A wants 10000 units of Equipment Z. Country B owns rights to produce Equipment Z. DPR costs are usually listed as 1000 times the amount of the actual production and export costs. By that measure, Country A saves a whole bunch by being able to produce it at home.

And that isn't the only thing, since not every piece of equipment can be considered cheaper by DPR. If a country is able to produce equipment domestically, they can make it themselves - in effect, if war should ever come to you, they will have the capability to use your own equipment against you, or your allies. Furthermore, they will have the capability to supply themselves with whatever quantity of replacements when they need it.

DPRs are almost non-existent IRL; in fact, the majority of what would be considered DPR are actually LPR (something similar to what Granate is doing...); countries are able to manufacture parts of what they want to make, and collectively, while the purchasing country can't get everything that it wants, it can still get a relatively reduced rate and limited ability to supply its own armaments, while the parent country retains the rights to produce the equipment - period.


That said, if someone offers you a DPR, please take it.

>>> Also WP, your link to my map is wrong:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/daehanjeiguk/SYAE.png

The only thing I can think of similar to a DPR would be what India and Russia are doing with the T-90S. India gave Russia money to design it, India bought a bunch from Russia to help pay for the development costs, and in return India received production rights to the T-90S Broshima or something like that, which is the same as a T-90S in armament and protection however is missing some counter measures. It was a case of India had the money, Russia had the designs, put them together and voila!

I would like

Israel

Gaza strip

West bank

Golan hights

Syria or the Sinai

I would like

Israel

Gaza strip

West bank

Golan hights

Syria or the Sinai

So basically Isreal, Palestine, and Syria? Congratulations, you just inherited one of the most troubled regions of the world.

I would like

Israel

Gaza strip

West bank

Golan hights

Syria or the Sinai

recalling that Syria and Egypt are already claimed by the UASR - you can try Lebanon though.

The only thing I can think of similar to a DPR would be what India and Russia are doing with the T-90S. India gave Russia money to design it, India bought a bunch from Russia to help pay for the development costs, and in return India received production rights to the T-90S Broshima or something like that, which is the same as a T-90S in armament and protection however is missing some counter measures. It was a case of India had the money, Russia had the designs, put them together and voila!
@ West Pacific & DaeHanJeiGuk: Exactly. Also, most NATO members have limited assembly rights to the F-16, using kits supplied by Lockheed Martin mated with certain locally-produced parts; and much of the F-35 craziness surrounds just who gets the rights to what parts and what payment this requires...:rolleyes: To keep new nations from being too worked over, how about we include at least licensing costs for spare parts in all weapons deals? That way people can at least supply the spiffy gear they buy, even if not reinforce it without buying more (this would take months to do anyway, even with full DPRs; naturally a problem in wartime with people bombing you and all...:p).
@ Carloginias: Did you see my TG on what I might or might not be able to claim from Guam? I don't want to spam your factbook or here, but if you're more comfortable talking that out here it's OK. I really need to have my forces at least somewhat known before setting up my factbook, since doing otherwise and constantly retconning my forces might attract some stares to say the least.
Here are some links that can justify what I'll agree at first looks outrageous to even discuss divvying up, but actually is either based at Guam IRL or deployed there on a routine basis; and thus could be conceivably captured by a sufficiently deft coup. I won't claim all of this (seized strategic bombers & carriers would make me everybody's worst enemy overnight...), but would like to discuss more before relinquishing anything outright (the Los Angeles subs I mentioned are actually homeported at Guam, with a tender and repair docks in place to support far more than the two or three already there IRL).
Guam Army National Guard (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/arng-gu.htm)
US Coast Guard 14th District, Marianas Section (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dot/sec_marianas.htm)
US Forces Korea as of May 18th 2004; note specifically the 13th Air Force and 7th Air Expeditionary Wing units at Andersen AFB, Guam. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/korea-orbat-usfk-040518.htm)
Movements for the Kitty Hawk Carrier Battle/Strike Group during 2004; note the port call in Guam in late August and early September. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/batgru-63-underway04.htm)

A problem with your plan to a "deftly placed coup" - you're going to bring the wrath of the United States upon your country, unless they're laisser-faire (which isn't likely, given their responses in the past). You might want support if you're going the coup route, but of course, just to oocly cut it out, my country would not support separatists so easily, so finding support in general would be difficult. You'd might as well buy the stuff.

Here's the link to the new map:

SYAE MAP (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/kopparbergs/syae-world.gif)

Would be great if you all could take a look and tell me if I made something wrong, or if I forgot something.

Here's the link to the new map:

SYAE MAP (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/kopparbergs/syae-world.gif)

Would be great if you all could take a look and tell me if I made something wrong, or if I forgot something.

Palawan Island is a part of the Philippines, and thence a part of my claims.
Otherwise, I'm fine with the map as is - it's better than mine :D.

But in perspective, I've just realized an interesting point of inquiry that this particular map unveils: the issue of the Spratly and Paracel Islands. IRL, the islands are claimed by PRC and the ROC for reasons of historical ownership, predating Western advances into the region; Vietnam claims the islands as a legacy of the French colonial empire (inheriting the islands in part from the French after Dien Bien Phu); the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia only lay claims to the Spratly Islands, and only partially. For various reasons - geographic, economic, and strategic - the islands are considered valuable to those claiming the islands (in particular in the modern age because of the lucrative fishing markets there, and also because of the potential for a very large reservoir of oil and natural gas, rivaling even those in the Gulf States). Seeing as my realm includes 3 of the 6 modern claimants to the islands, I would like to make it known that my formal claims also include the two island chains - although I am willing to leave that up to ooc debate on whether it is legitimate or not, as I do see problems with the RL continuity.

If anyone has anything to say about this, please let me know. Otherwise, my country will ICly recognize the islands as sovereign territory of the Empire and will defend them as such (this is actually a legacy from the last SYAE thread, but it didn't last long enough for me to make this explicitly known).

Daehanjeiguk I have a question would you be interested in an alliance to divide up South East Asia with you getting Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, eastern Thailand with the division literally be at the capital of Bangkok and with you getting all the Bangkok, and you also get the non-mainland Malaysia along with Brunei as you might as long get the entire area.

As for me I get Burma, west Thailand, and mainland Malayasia, along with Singapore.

Would that sound good to you?

Daehanjeiguk, I would reccomend you start RPing a takeover of the Spratly and Paracel Islands and see what happens, on issues like this I prefer it to be settled in an IC manner as opposed to OOCly.

I would like

Israel

Gaza strip

West bank

Golan hights

Syria or the Sinai

I'll give you Israel and the West Bank, but if you want Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights you're gonna have to work something out with UASR because those are disputed areas in RL and I am not going to decide who owns it when in RL there has been anywhere from 60-3,500 years of fighting for control over those areas.

West Pacfic to ask can I have spheres of influence states? What I mean by that is basically the goverments in charges do what I want them to and are part of a larger alliance with me and a number of other states.

Daehanjeiguk, I would reccomend you start RPing a takeover of the Spratly and Paracel Islands and see what happens, on issues like this I prefer it to be settled in an IC manner as opposed to OOCly.

I can afford this luxury... I'll just call an "assertion of authority" project.


Daehanjeiguk I have a question would you be interested in an alliance to divide up South East Asia with you getting Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, eastern Thailand with the division literally be at the capital of Bangkok and with you getting all the Bangkok, and you also get the non-mainland Malaysia along with Brunei as you might as long get the entire area.

As for me I get Burma, west Thailand, and mainland Malayasia, along with Singapore.

Would that sound good to you?

Hmmm... that would mean alot of problems for my current policy on protectionism, since my country officially recognizes Thailand, Vietnam {RL Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia}, and Malaysia as sovereign states (despite the fact no one has since claimed them as active states). To have me gobble them up would be a conflict of interests, and contradictory to the policy of protectionism - so in sum - no. But you know, you can always try it and see what happens.

If I have a less protectionist Emperor, perhaps.

Hmmm... that would mean alot of problems for my current policy on protectionism, since my country officially recognizes Thailand, Vietnam {RL Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia}, and Malaysia as sovereign states (despite the fact no one has since claimed them as active states). To have me gobble them up would be a conflict of interests, and contradictory to the policy of protectionism - so in sum - no. But you know, you can always try it and see what happens.

If I have a less protectionist Emperor, perhaps.Alright then, I shall not invade those countires, yet do you mind if I take Burma and Bhutan then?

A problem with your plan to a "deftly placed coup" - you're going to bring the wrath of the United States upon your country, unless they're laisser-faire (which isn't likely, given their responses in the past). You might want support if you're going the coup route, but of course, just to oocly cut it out, my country would not support separatists so easily, so finding support in general would be difficult. You'd might as well buy the stuff.
Point. Actually, while making a mail run I just figured out another (and almost certainly better) option, one technologically closer to my open-world incarnation even if not chronologically so: a full alternate history. That is, just like you went back and had an entire new dynasty from Korea unite the Yuan and Ming as well under their banner, what if I also messed with the timeline way back (albeit not quite so far back in my case...) to bring about a "Red Pacific?"
I'm thinking of this: Indonesia used to operate a ton of pretty decent Soviet stuff (including Tu-16 Badger bombers and Sverdlov-class CLs) back before Sukarno got overthrown by Suharto. Hence, what if my main characters (Wagdog's General Secretary and his live-in/common-law wife/deputy) were over in Indonesia at the time, as young American-expatriate communists helping out a leader they admired, and after Sukarno's assassination rallied the Indonesian communists to beat down Gen. Suharto's coup under their leadership as part of an "International Front" resistance.
This gutsy move earned them sufficient trust with the locals that my main characters actually succeeded Sukarno directly, renaming the country Wagdog in a joke after the saying "Why does a dog wag it's tail? Because the dog is smarter than it's tail. If the tail were smarter, the tail would wag the dog;" a reference to them and the Indonesian communists (the dog) outsmarting Suharto and the Indonesian military (the tail). Eventually, by whatever means, their control expanded to include the former American trust territories to the north and east that comprise the rest of my claim; gradually so as each territory gained its independence under RSFSR-forced UN mandates.
Remember, ICly I'm not trying to be a "good guy" here at all, despite arguably as much substance of democracy (for reds, pinks and greens anyway) as appearance. I'm 100% rogue state by policy and proud of it:cool:, with a diplomatic rep to match. But equally, not half so stupid as to actually invade any of the territories I've taken control of over the past four IC-decades of my backstory. Rather, why not just let local insurgencies (sponsored by me as often as not) get out of control on their own, land a detachment of my Red Guardsmen (militia/police) to "secure the Revolution" Cuban-style, and then dare the US to attack me first and risk RSFSR nuclear retaliation in return? How's that sound for a scripted past and diplomatic approach, since clearly trying for my above US-based arsenal-claim probably isn't going to fly? This country's military would be all-Indonesia alright; just a very particular Indonesia.;)

Point. Actually, while making a mail run I just figured out another (and almost certainly better) option, one technologically closer to my open-world incarnation even if not chronologically so: a full alternate history. That is, just like you went back and had an entire new dynasty from Korea unite the Yuan and Ming as well under their banner, what if I also messed with the timeline way back (albeit not quite so far back in my case...) to bring about a "Red Pacific?"

That would be interesting - just as long as it doesn't become excessive, but I think we need more "evil" countries; I wouldn't volunteer directly, but you know, if everyone is nice and good, then we get into ideological arguments about whose good is the "best" good. My main problems with your proposed history: the UN - as far as I know - does not exist. From what international organ would your government gain legitimacy? And secondly, UN mandate trust territories were former territories of the Axis powers {Japan, in this case} - assuming that there was no catastrophic WWII, how would the USA gain those trust territories?

I'm not suggesting that your explanation is wrong. In fact, I love your imagination. But I feel that if you can explain the circumstances better, and with more ambigious relationships to the RL modern history, I feel that you can make a strong case for owning Guam et al. Of course, you might have to explain how the USA was coerced into allowing this to happen {nukes might not be enough...}, but it's already a great idea. I'm trying to image how my country would react to an increasingly belligerent southern neighbor...

Alright then, I shall not invade those countires, yet do you mind if I take Burma and Bhutan then?

hmmmmmm, let's try that one.

hmmmmmm, let's try that one.Okay, as long as you do not intervene in the conflict.

Okay, as long as you do not intervene in the conflict.

Now that I think about it, a direct confrontation between India and China could be very interesting. Not that I'd want it to happen, I'm just saying that it would be superpower vs. superpower for control of Southeastern Asia.

To Granate: Sorry about that, I didn't have time until now. I got a new post in though, which might of some interest to you.

Okay, as long as you do not intervene in the conflict.

that's for me to decide, and you to consider.

That would be interesting - just as long as it doesn't become excessive, but I think we need more "evil" countries; I wouldn't volunteer directly, but you know, if everyone is nice and good, then we get into ideological arguments about whose good is the "best" good. My main problems with your proposed history: the UN - as far as I know - does not exist. From what international organ would your government gain legitimacy? And secondly, UN mandate trust territories were former territories of the Axis powers {Japan, in this case} - assuming that there was no catastrophic WWII, how would the USA gain those trust territories?

I'm not suggesting that your explanation is wrong. In fact, I love your imagination. But I feel that if you can explain the circumstances better, and with more ambigious relationships to the RL modern history, I feel that you can make a strong case for owning Guam et al. Of course, you might have to explain how the USA was coerced into allowing this to happen {nukes might not be enough...}, but it's already a great idea. I'm trying to image how my country would react to an increasingly belligerent southern neighbor...
OK... now I'm getting a better idea of how SYAE is different here. Is there a single history thread that explains the differences in full? I've looked up the factbooks but none have completely laid things out (yours having been the most informative of them so far, by far). I'll probably need to wait for Carloginias and Candistan to see this and reply before I speculate further.
Essentially, I'm just guessing that some sort of RSFSR-CRA cold war still occurred, and that some Asian countries (such as my claimed Indonesia) would still experiment with communism even if you're the local policeman; especially in the '60s.:cool: This would leave my ex-American characters in position to... a) be in Indonesia in the first place, b) gain control without getting treated worse than region-crashers on NS proper (despite risking such many times over), and c) gradually expand that control to ex-American (or whomever) land, without giving the anticommunists of the area any final or solid justification to go after them like they arguably deserve for it; at least, not without them looking more like the aggressors than my country does, and making themselves more likely to get smacked by my nuclear ally instead for the trouble than I am to be by the CRA. "Kill with a borrowed knife," as the Thirty-Six Stratagems say...;)

that's for me to decide, and you to consider.Bhutan I could proably get away with conquering due to make up some facred up reason why and proably could prevent any great conflcit, but Burma being an established nation would be hard with getting away invading and could easily cause a conflict so for now Bhutan is my only target.

Bhutan I could proably get away with conquering due to make up some facred up reason why and proably could prevent any great conflcit, but Burma being an established nation would be hard with getting away invading and could easily cause a conflict so for now Bhutan is my only target.

Justify it well enough, and I may do nothing...

Here's the reason why:

- Tribute. Historically, Burma was a tributary state of China; first contacts with the Burmese began under the Han Dynasty (200BCE-200CE), at a time when the Silk Road leading West was just being formed. Contacts continue through the centuries and the first tributary policy officially began with the Mongols in Burma, and continued well-into the Ming Dynasty's authority collapsed and the new Qing continued the policy. As far as colonialism goes, I'm not certain how of it survives my historical alteration, especially since the only colonial possessions to change hands during the entire history are Hong Kong (in 19th century - did not happen); Macau (in the 16th century - did not happen); and the Philippines (I took it from Spain in the 19th century, when Spanish naval predominance was already declining, especially in the Pacific). But as far as I know there was still an effective relationship between China and Burma extending back before I altered the history. Bhutan - on the other hand - was not even conceptualized as a state until the 17th century, by Tibetan separatists. I would have almost no tributary ties to them, and thus positive ties with the people there.

How does this have any reflection on the modern age?

I have cultivated very warm ties with my tributary states - more so with Thailand, Vietnam {Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia}, and those to be mentioned below than with others, but still very warm ties. Bhutan is almost insignificant to me - in fact, the only reason why I would go to war with you is to defend the policy of protectionism against your expansions. Hence, if you justify it well enough, you may get away with it. So then, I stop here, to let you decide your excuses.

OK... now I'm getting a better idea of how SYAE is different here. Is there a single history thread that explains the differences in full? I've looked up the factbooks but none have completely laid things out (yours having been the most informative of them so far, by far). I'll probably need to wait for Carloginias and Candistan to see this and reply before I speculate further.
Essentially, I'm just guessing that some sort of RSFSR-CRA cold war still occurred, and that some Asian countries (such as my claimed Indonesia) would still experiment with communism even if you're the local policeman; especially in the '60s. This would leave my ex-American characters in position to... a) be in Indonesia in the first place, b) gain control without getting treated worse than region-crashers on NS proper (despite risking such many times over), and c) gradually expand that control to ex-American (or whomever) land, without giving the anticommunists of the area any final or solid justification to go after them like they arguably deserve for it; at least, not without them looking more like the aggressors than my country does, and making themselves more likely to get smacked by my nuclear ally instead for the trouble than I am to be by the CRA. "Kill with a borrowed knife," as the Thirty-Six Stratagems say...

I think that I'm the only one with a revised history dating back to the 14th Century...

But to be sure, I probably wouldn't intervene, as long as you stayed out of the following countries:

* Vietnam {Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia}
* Thailand {Thailand}
* Malaya {Malaysia, Brunei - this is icky, because Malaysia is a modern conception of a league of Muslim sultanates, each which had outstanding ties to the Qing Dynasty before the Portuguese and Dutch came in and screwed everything up...}
* Yuan Dynasty {Mongolia}
and of course, * me and *Japan {Kiwiland}

Since you're staying in the Pacific, we probably won't or wouldn't be biting bones during the past. Ask Carloinigias about the idea, and see what he says.






For reference to all, Wikipedia has a relatively good article about the Imperial Foreign Policy of China - many elements of which I use in determining the foreign policy of the Han Empire. It may be useful, to see if you want to be friends with me or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Imperial_China

This second one is more a reference of the extent of the Imperial Tributary system historically, although it does not indeed that I expect you to be paying me any sort of tribute if you own these territories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tributaries_of_Imperial_China

Whoever wants to discuss the island with me, make a thread and I'll join it.

Scandinavians, I am not going to support an invasion into Bhuton or Burma.

Here's the link to the new map:

SYAE MAP (http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/kopparbergs/syae-world.gif)

Would be great if you all could take a look and tell me if I made something wrong, or if I forgot something.

(I think jolt ate my siberian map post....)

Anyone knows how much of Siberia Candistan wants? I'd like to have Krasnoyarsk Krai and Irkutsk Oblast included for Kiwiland.

I really like how Nuevo-Italia hasn't posted at all, and is probably going to wank his military when I blockade Cyprus tomorrow.

(I think jolt ate my siberian map post....)

Anyone knows how much of Siberia Candistan wants? I'd like to have Krasnoyarsk Krai and Irkutsk Oblast included for Kiwiland.
This issue must be settled OOC as soon as possible.
It's up to you and Candistan to agree to a solution...

I'll have whatever parts of Siberia he doesn't want or need.

Jaredcohenia, check our meeting of eastern european nations thread. ;)

A lot of countries have gone rather inactive. Namely, the one in Central America, Psychotika, Gauthic, and then a few nations that opted to claim Mexico or something like that, but never really got in..........is this how SYAE fell apart last time?

A lot of countries have gone rather inactive. Namely, the one in Central America, Psychotika, Gauthic, and then a few nations that opted to claim Mexico or something like that, but never really got in..........is this how SYAE fell apart last time?

That and the uber-wank of some nations.

This issue must be settled OOC as soon as possible.
It's up to you and Candistan to agree to a solution...

Kopp: I have Togo, I believe...it's been on all the previous maps.
In fact, I claimed Togo, yet West Pacific never put it in my claims. My claim post was the 2nd post of this thread, you can see for yourself.

West Pacific: If you could edit that, as I did claim Togo...