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Brazil would like to join the Pan American Treaty

Brazil is asking all of the nations in the Treaty for their take on Brazils application to join.

OOC: we got coffee.....

Blegium Build, Edited

Population: 8 Million
Tech level: 7
Government:Capitalist Democracy
Economy: (Cut Spending) [5% natural growth + 1% EEC bonus= 6%]
Economic Budget: 25 points (Production centres [7] :Liege 3, Brussels 3, Antwerp 1. Commerce [10]: 1x national airline 2, 1x international airline 2, 4x shipping units 6 [2,000,000 million tons]. Other [6]: 6 colonial points. Growth [2]: 1x point of growth 2

Domestic Spending:

level 3 social services 3 points,
civil defense 1 point,
2 Shipping units 10 points

Total: 15 points


Military Spending:
1 BAC Lightning 2 pts
Upgrade 1 Garrison to Light Infantry Division 2 Points (I believe this is correct: Garrison to Infantry, Infantry to Light Infantry)

Total:4 Points

Maintenance:
4 garrison units 1 point,
4 expert pilots 2 points,
1 F84 jet fighter bomber unit .5 points,
1 C47 unit .25 points,
1 elite airborne brigade 1 point,
2 light ship units (5 destroyers, 20 corvettes) .5 points

Total: 5.25

Total: 24.25


Shipping units only cost 3 points each, you have four extra points to spend.

Nigeria requests foriegn aid in building up it's industrial base.

Brazil would like to join the Pan American Treaty

Brazil is asking all of the nations in the Treaty for their take on Brazils application to join.

OOC: we got coffee.....

The US is ok with Brazil joining now that elections have been held

ooc
although the CIA is looking into how free and fair those elections really were

Nigeria requests foriegn aid in building up it's industrial base.

the US will pledge 24 points for next year

the US will pledge 24 points for next year

The Nigerian government offers much thanks and promises to be a friend to the United States in Africa.

Nigeria requests foriegn aid in building up it's industrial base.

Brazil will support Nigeria. We will give around 10 points next year and more the year after that. Brazil hopes to have strong relations with Nigeria

Nigeria also thanks their neighbor across the Atlantic and pledges friendship They promise to return the favor to both the US and Brazil should they ever require aid.

Nigeria requests foriegn aid in building up it's industrial base.

South Africa will offer what assistance it can next year, and in following years. (OOC: I have my own projects to spend money on, so you may not get much. It'll probably be more of a political thing, "Hey, look how helpful we are.")

Nigeria also thanks South Africa, it's largest and most affluent African neighbor for their assistance. Another pledge of friendship is offered.

[OOC: No problem. Everything is helpful.]

1952

France
Economy: Market.

Production centers available:44 -limit reach-

Commerce:
1 national airline, 1 international airline, 21 shipping units

Population: 44 milllion People

Tourisim: 4 centres in the Riviera.


Industrial Centres:
Paris 6, Nantes 5, Lille 6, Marseilles 5, Toulouse 5, Rouen 6, Vichy 5, Lyon 6

Tech Level: 7

Income:
Production Centeres: 44*2 = 88 points

Commerce:Total= 37 points
Shipping= 31.5 points
Ocean Liner=1.5 points
National Airline= 2 points
International Airline= 2 points

Tourisim= 4 points
Summer Olympics: 5 points
Rural electrification 10%= 13 points

Investment Returns:
Yugoslavia= 1 point
Slovenia= 1 point
Albania & Kosovo= 1 point

Loan Repayment:
Portugal=1 point.
Northwest Africa=1 point.

Total= 151 Points

Expenditure:
Level 5 social services= 44 points
Military Maintenance= 8.25 points
Inteligance Budget= 5 points
Intelligence Improvement Budget= 2.75 points
ESA Research= 4 points

Millitary Building:
4 Mechanised Flak groups= 20 points
1 Garrison Unit= 3 points
1 HQ= 10 points
2 Light Jet Bombers (negotiating: B57 Canberra medium bomber)= 6 points

Foriegn Aid:
UIR: 24 points
Yugoslavia: 8 points
Slovenia: 6 points
Albania & Kosvo: 8 points

Forign Investment in Northwest Africa:
Rural Electrification and Infrastructure= 2 points for 3 years (infrastructure to hit level 6 so electrification can begin) (year 2/3)

I think u have the rural electrification thing wrong. I spoke to the economic mod and he said it is a 10% boost to your growth for one year (the year that u finish it) so u will get the factories for that forever but the boost is only for one turn

The Kingdom is in the market to buy something from the Korean Military if possible or any other nation if it is necessary to help restructure...

We have two ex-Air Force Corsairs that are being retired. Fine machines, probably can be used for ground attack or training. Barring that, the Chinese may have something.

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Rural electrification provides a 10% increase in growth the year it's finished. Since you're a Market Economy which presumably electrified years ago, your growth should be 3%.

Your investment in West Africa should take place over five years, 3 for the infastructure and 2 for electrification.

South African Budget 1952
Population: 28,189,000
Income: 128
Production: 78 (26 production centers/56 maximum)
Commerce: 40 (27 shipping units)
Airline: 4
Tourism: 6
Annual Growth: 2% (Market/National Effort=1%, +1% from Commonwealth)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep- 12.75 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-8 points
Continuing Research Grants-6 points

Government Projects
1x Militia Unit (State Police)-1 point
1x National Airline-5 points
2x International Airline-12 points
2x Production Centers-48 points
1x Dassault Mirage III Unit-3 points to China
Advanced Ecological Research-24 point
1x Shipping Unit-3 points (1/10 for Nigeria)

Foreign Aid
N/A

Surplus
.25 points

Projected 1953 Income: 90 (28 production centers + 2 growth) + 40 commerce + 10 airline + 6 tourism = 146 total points

Retroactively edited to reflect the US refusal to sell B52s, and to begin construction of Nigerian merchant fleet.

Sharina and I have discussed the issue of certain nations wanting to purchase the rights to produce weapons made by other nations; this is what we came up with.

1. Nation X pays Nation Y an amount of points to produce the planes Nation X wants (the points being the costs of the unit itself- like 3 points per jet fighter unit as per Military Thread)

2. Nation X asks Nation Y to produce domestic versions of Nation Y's units for a negiotated price (in points). For example, if Egypt wants to buy domestic production of China's tanks, both Egypt and China negiotate a payment from Egypt of, say, 20 points to produce Chinese tanks in Egypt.*

What do you guys think?

*The price of production rights would be up to negotiation between the buyer and the seller.

do we have to ask permission of the government who controls the plane to build it or can we just build it (this may seem stupid). For example, If I wanted to build the Mirage III, would I have to ask China for permission?

Well, since you need the permission of the corporation which built it in order to get the designs and avoid patent suits and such, you should ask permission of the government, since we don't really have corporations in this RP.

ok. Also, do we have a list of countries for reaching Tech Level 8? Japan reached 7 in 1948, but there wasn't a list for 8.

ok. Also, do we have a list of countries for reaching Tech Level 8? Japan reached 7 in 1948, but there wasn't a list for 8.

I will need to talk to Lesser Ribena, and probably Galveston Bay. Hopefully we'll have something by the end of this week.

ok. Also, do we have a list of countries for reaching Tech Level 8? Japan reached 7 in 1948, but there wasn't a list for 8.

I think tech level 8 for everybody would be sometime in the 1960's.

Id say 1965 at the earliest, to begin introducing Vietnam era technology, if TL 6 was WWII and 7 was/is postwar/Korea.

Perhaps the most advanced nations (like the US and UK) in the early sixties, another batch (China, South Africa, etc) in the mid-sixties, and then the stragglers (Nigeria, maybe the FAS) at the end of the decade or the beginning of the 70s?

Perhaps the most advanced nations (like the US and UK) in the early sixties, another batch (China, South Africa, etc) in the mid-sixties, and then the stragglers (Nigeria, maybe the FAS) at the end of the decade or the beginning of the 70s?

Possibly. However, there should be a chance for the middle-batch (China, South Africa, Colombia, Germany, SU, etc.) to catch up and reach tech parity with the US and UK. There shouldn't be a "permanent" tech lead unless there's such a disparity between tech levels like a tech level 2 nation can't catch up with a tech level 7 nation for maybe 100 years or so for instance.

Hey whoa, I wouldn't call myself middle batch. The US and I were the first to develop third gen aircraft, and so forth.

*Cries because he's a straggler*

just TG this to Malkyer but I will post it here as well

Tech level 7,5... earliest should be 1960. Important requirements: common use of microprocessors, broadcast color television, personal tape players (8 track and cassette), capable mainframe computers,

Tech level 8.. earliest should be 1976. Important requirements: common use of microcomputers (desk top computers), widespread cable television, VHS type technology (recordable television at home), invention of the internet (which was created as a military communications system first),

In short, Tech Level 8 is the beginning of the information age, when information gathering and storage revolutionizes industrial and military technologies.

Nations with a functioning space program should reach tech level 7.5 and then tech level 8 first.

Leading Nations need also to have at least social spending 3+ to advance, as education becomes even more critical.

Effects of tech level 7.5... maximum productivity is increased (from 2 per 1 million to 3 per 1 million). Also maximum air commerce increases to 20, and shipping units become worth 2. Maximum commerce increases to 50. Every 4 air commerce points also creates 1 tourist point (which doesnt count against the population maximum of tourism)

effects of tech level 8... maximum productivity is increased again (to 5 per 1 million). Maximum air commerce increases to 30, and every 3 air commerce points creates 1 tourist point also (as above).

Needless to say, the cost of military units will increase as well. At tech level 7.5, expect 50% increase, with another 100% increase at tech level 8 (all those computers and electronics are expensive, and so are the munitions).

On the other hand, a tech level 8 armored unit would have 5 times the firepower of a tech level 6 armored unit, while a Mig 15 would have an air combat value of 1 compared to the F15 Eagles air combat value of 10. Tech level 7.5 and then tech level 8 warships would have similar advantages over tech level 6 warships.

Social services should get more expensive as well... add +1 point to social spending levels 3 and 4, and +5 points to social spending levels 5. Once again, a lot more bells and whistles (automation) that actually doesnt improve efficiency.. but you can't have everything.

just TG this to Malkyer but I will post it here as well

Tech level 7,5... earliest should be 1960. Important requirements: common use of microprocessors, broadcast color television, personal tape players (8 track and cassette), capable mainframe computers,

Tech level 8.. earliest should be 1976. Important requirements: common use of microcomputers (desk top computers), widespread cable television, VHS type technology (recordable television at home), invention of the internet (which was created as a military communications system first),

In short, Tech Level 8 is the beginning of the information age, when information gathering and storage revolutionizes industrial and military technologies.

Nations with a functioning space program should reach tech level 7.5 and then tech level 8 first.

Leading Nations need also to have at least social spending 3+ to advance, as education becomes even more critical.

Effects of tech level 7.5... maximum productivity is increased (from 2 per 1 million to 3 per 1 million). Also maximum air commerce increases to 20, and shipping units become worth 1.5. Maximum commerce increases to 50. Every 4 air commerce points also creates 1 tourist point (which doesnt count against the population maximum of tourism)

effects of tech level 8... maximum productivity is increased again (to 5 per 1 million). Maximum air commerce increases to 30, and every 3 air commerce points creates 1 tourist point also (as above).

Needless to say, the cost of military units will increase as well. At tech level 7.5, expect 50% increase, with another 100% increase at tech level 8 (all those computers and electronics are expensive, and so are the munitions).

On the other hand, a tech level 8 armored unit would have 5 times the firepower of a tech level 6 armored unit, while a Mig 15 would have an air combat value of 1 compared to the F15 Eagles air combat value of 10. Tech level 7.5 and then tech level 8 warships would have similar advantages over tech level 6 warships.

Social services should get more expensive as well... add +1 point to social spending levels 3 and 4, and +5 points to social spending levels 5. Once again, a lot more bells and whistles (automation) that actually doesnt improve efficiency.. but you can't have everything.

Just a couple of questions.

First, shipping is already 1.5 income at tech level 7 as opposed to tech 7.5. Maximum commerce is 50 at tech level 7- so there's no change in shipping or maximum commerce cap between tech level 7 and 7.5 or am I missing something here?

Second question... desktop computers didn't really become widespread until mid to late 80's with the Apple-II computers and the very first Macintoshs. Then IBM PC's by early 1990's. Internet for civilian use didn't really appear until the 1990's with the whole "http://www" domain and such.

Just a couple of questions.

First, shipping is already 1.5 income at tech level 7 as opposed to tech 7.5. Maximum commerce is 50 at tech level 7- so there's no change in shipping or maximum commerce cap between tech level 7 and 7.5 or am I missing something here?

Second question... desktop computers didn't really become widespread until mid to late 80's with the Apple-II computers and the very first Macintoshs. Then IBM PC's by early 1990's. Internet for civilian use didn't really appear until the 1990's with the whole "http://www" domain and such.

true, shipping should be 2 at tech level 7.5, and pretty much plateaus.

2nd point however is this.. the military gets all of these toys first, and so does industry... setting the stage for take off economically as nations move into the tech level. Apple II showed up in 1979 (it was expensive for the day, but friends of mine got them for HS graduation gifts)

I think u have the rural electrification thing wrong. I spoke to the economic mod and he said it is a 10% boost to your growth for one year (the year that u finish it) so u will get the factories for that forever but the boost is only for one turn

Oh really? Rats...

Oh well I will edit my build.

Provisional Advancements to Tech Level 7.5
1960: United States, UK, Germany, FNS, Russia
1961: South Africa, France, Scandic Union, Italy, Australia
1962: Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, China, Belgium
1963: Korea, Japan, Brazil, Bulgaria
1964: USEAS
1965: Egypt, Syria

I think I got all the PC countries, let me know if I forgot anyone. This list is of course subject to change, and I will need other people's input. As far as I know, everyone is providing at least Level III social services, but if you are providing less you need to let me know, as it will affect your advancement. These advancements are more or less reflective of the advancements to tech level 7, though as you can see there is less of a disparity between nations now. Most of the player countries are more industrialized and technologically advanced than in RL, so technology is much more equally distributed. For some reason, no one wants to play as a Third-World backwater.

*The FAS is not slated for advancement at the moment, due to the fact that it can't afford to educate the populace. That could change, though, once I have some time to think it over.

Note: Nigeria will reach Tech Level 7 in 1962, and nations with space programs (currently the US and the members of the ESA) will reach Tech Level 8 in 1976, with the rest of us following in later years.

Provisional Advancements to Tech Level 7.5
1960: United States, UK, Germany, FNS, Russia
1961: South Africa, France, Scandic Union, Italy, Australia
1962: Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, China, Belgium
1963: Korea, USEAS, Japan, Brazil, Bulgaria
1964: USEAS, FAS*
1965: Egypt, Syria

I think I got all the PC countries, let me know if I forgot anyone. This list is of course subject to change, and I will need other people's input. As far as I know, everyone is providing at least Level III social services, but if you are providing less you need to let me know, as it will affect your advancement. These advancements are more or less reflective of the advancements to tech level 7, though as you can see there is less of a disparity between nations now. Most of the player countries are more industrialized and technologically advanced than in RL, so technology is much more equally distributed. For some reason, no one wants to play as a Third-World backwater.

*This may change depending on the extent of damage from the civil war, etc.

Note: Nigeria will reach Tech Level 7 in 1962, and nations with space programs (currently the US and the members of the ESA) will reach Tech Level 8 in 1976, with the rest of us following in later years.

Errr, the USEAS is listed twice.

Also, I can only afford level I services (although, by 1955, I'll deffinetly be able to afford level 2). I mean, seriously, I have a population of 400 million and 100 production points. It's a tad hard to afford level III services.

Errr, the USEAS is listed twice.

Also, I can only afford level I services (although, by 1955, I'll deffinetly be able to afford level 2). I mean, seriously, I have a population of 400 million and 100 production points. It's a tad hard to afford level III services.

Hmm. Seems you're right.

The lack of social services will hold you back, especially as education is going to be very important as tech advances. I'm not sure how much, though.

1965: Egypt, Syria

What do I have to do to get out of the back of the pack? My economy will max out within the next decade, I'm recieving regular foreign support, I've become a major player in the Arab World and am planning to start building up the 3rd-world nations of Africa and the Middle East. What more do you need?

What do I have to do to get out of the back of the pack? My economy will max out within the next decade, I'm recieving regular foreign support, I've become a major player in the Arab World and am planning to start building up the 3rd-world nations of Africa and the Middle East. What more do you need?


For tech level 7, you were eight years behind the US and UK. Now it's five. That gap will continue to close over time. For tech level eight, you'll be closer still.

Errr, the USEAS is listed twice.

Also, I can only afford level I services (although, by 1955, I'll deffinetly be able to afford level 2). I mean, seriously, I have a population of 400 million and 100 production points. It's a tad hard to afford level III services.

perhaps fewer wars would bring in foreign investment?

perhaps fewer wars would bring in foreign investment?

I'm trying to be self-sufficient. I already think that my merchant marine plays too crucial a role in my economy.

Also, for the last time, the only war I started was the Civil War (which, in comparison to pretty much every war so far, was pretty tame. I'm guessing no more than 200,000 people died), and that was with myself. I was dragged into the Great Wars.

Also, if fewer wars brought in foreign investment, then the United States would be entirely devoid of foreign investment :p.

I'm trying to be self-sufficient. I already think that my merchant marine plays too crucial a role in my economy.

Also, for the last time, the only war I started was the Civil War (which, in comparison to pretty much every war so far, was pretty tame. I'm guessing no more than 200,000 people died), and that was with myself. I was dragged into the Great Wars.

Also, if fewer wars brought in foreign investment, then the United States would be entirely devoid of foreign investment :p.

the US hasn't had any foreign investment all game, but then, the US has only fought in 2 wars

Provisional Advancements to Tech Level 7.5
1960: United States, UK, Germany, FNS, Russia
1961: South Africa, France, Scandic Union, Italy, Australia
1962: Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, China, Belgium
1963: Korea, Japan, Brazil, Bulgaria
1964: USEAS
1965: Egypt, Syria

I think I got all the PC countries, let me know if I forgot anyone. This list is of course subject to change, and I will need other people's input. As far as I know, everyone is providing at least Level III social services, but if you are providing less you need to let me know, as it will affect your advancement. These advancements are more or less reflective of the advancements to tech level 7, though as you can see there is less of a disparity between nations now. Most of the player countries are more industrialized and technologically advanced than in RL, so technology is much more equally distributed. For some reason, no one wants to play as a Third-World backwater.

*The FAS is not slated for advancement at the moment, due to the fact that it can't afford to educate the populace. That could change, though, once I have some time to think it over.

Note: Nigeria will reach Tech Level 7 in 1962, and nations with space programs (currently the US and the members of the ESA) will reach Tech Level 8 in 1976, with the rest of us following in later years.

I think China, USEA, and Korea should be Tech 7.5 by 1961 mainly because we have our space program, and catching up with missile, n00k, and bio - chem tech's. In fact, China is now equal to Russia and Germany in both bio-chem and n00k tech. The USEA, China, and Korea also should have ICBM's by 1953 I believe unless I'm mistaken.

Just stating my personal opinion as the SCT should enjoy similiar benefits as the EU (France, Germany, UK)- besides the SCT is sharing tech and know-how.

But if worst comes to worst, I'll be happy getting tech 7.5 by 1962. However, I expect China and the SCT (excluding India) to reach tech 8 by 1976 or 1977 because we *DO* have a space program ongoing.

the US hasn't had any foreign investment all game, but then, the US has only fought in 2 wars

I think TLS meant to say that nations "invested" in the US's military- as in buying USA weapons and equipment.

Provisional Advancements to Tech Level 7.5
1960: United States, UK, Germany, FNS, Russia
1961: South Africa, France, Scandic Union, Italy, Australia
1962: Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, China, Belgium
1963: Korea, Japan, Brazil, Bulgaria
1964: USEAS
1965: Egypt, Syria

I think I got all the PC countries, let me know if I forgot anyone. This list is of course subject to change, and I will need other people's input. As far as I know, everyone is providing at least Level III social services, but if you are providing less you need to let me know, as it will affect your advancement. These advancements are more or less reflective of the advancements to tech level 7, though as you can see there is less of a disparity between nations now. Most of the player countries are more industrialized and technologically advanced than in RL, so technology is much more equally distributed. For some reason, no one wants to play as a Third-World backwater.

*The FAS is not slated for advancement at the moment, due to the fact that it can't afford to educate the populace. That could change, though, once I have some time to think it over.

Note: Nigeria will reach Tech Level 7 in 1962, and nations with space programs (currently the US and the members of the ESA) will reach Tech Level 8 in 1976, with the rest of us following in later years.

Mirroring Sharina's comment, both the USEA and Korea both provide level 4 social services and are part of an active space program. I think we should be catching up. I think we should be hitting 7.5 at the same time as China.

Heh, looks like I'm not getting tech level 7.5 for another hundred years or so :p.

Also, China, how can you afford level III services? I mean, you have a population of 500 million. I'm not saying it as in I don't believe you have it, I am seriously asking you how you do it.

This is why I almosted wanted the DPRSA to break off. That way, I would have a smaller population, much easier to take care of. Oh well.

Heh, looks like I'm not getting tech level 7.5 for another hundred years or so :p.

Also, China, how can you afford level III services? I mean, you have a population of 500 million. I'm not saying it as in I don't believe you have it, I am seriously asking you how you do it.

This is why I almosted wanted the DPRSA to break off. That way, I would have a smaller population, much easier to take care of. Oh well.

I have an income of 291 points for 1952 I believe.

Level III Social Services for China = 147 points (China's last reported population is around 490 million) which leaves me approx. 150 points to play around with (pay maintainence, do researches like n00ks, and expand China's defensive military).

I have an income of 291 points for 1952 I believe.

Level III Social Services for China = 147 points (China's last reported population is around 490 million) which leaves me approx. 150 points to play around with (pay maintainence, do researches like n00ks, and expand China's defensive military).

How in the name of Jesus's dancing ghost do you have 291 points?!? What did you do, go national effort and pour every last ounce of your abilities in making production centers?

How in the name of Jesus's dancing ghost do you have 291 points?!? What did you do, go national effort and pour every last ounce of your abilities in making production centers?

Check my economy builds for 1950 through 1952. ;)

A slight error...

I *will* have 291 points for 1953, my mistake. This should propel China into #2 most industrialized world just behind the USA with the UK or Russia behind China in #3.

The USA has something like 275 factories and about 50 - 70 extra points from commerce, oil, colonies, etc. China will have around 210 - 220 factories by 1953. I forgot who has 100+ production centers by 1953- Germany? Russia? UK?

Unless I'm missing something here.

could someone possibly direct me to a website with population numbers for Japan in this era?

I forgot who has 100+ production centers by 1953- Germany? Russia? UK?

UK will have maxed out with 104 by then, wasting 9 points of growth to get there.

Economods: Could I put that into the colonial areas? bearign in mind that some of their points made that growth possible in the first place? Just an idea, to try to get some of these little places on their feet before I grant them independence. If not, don't worry about it, just an idea.

could someone possibly direct me to a website with population numbers for Japan in this era?

We generally use this one:

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/world.html

Just scroll down to Japn, and tehn on teh Japan page scroll down till you see a link saying "Historical Population Growth Data for this Country" or something like that, it'll give you every recorded piece of populkation data for that country.

UK will have maxed out with 104 by then, wasting 9 points of growth to get there.

Economods: Could I put that into the colonial areas? bearign in mind that some of their points made that growth possible in the first place? Just an idea, to try to get some of these little places on their feet before I grant them independence. If not, don't worry about it, just an idea.

I support this idea as well. You could basically "produce" these extra factories then "export" them to less developed countries.

thanks

How much does it cost to build nuclear power plants?

i think 24 points

i think 24 points#

Yep, 24 after you hav edone the prerequisite research which, I think, runs to 72 points (24 each year for 3 years).

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Yep, 24 after you have done the prerequisite research which, I think, runs to 72 points (24 each year for 3 years).

Yay, the research was completed in 1952 and I will have my first nuclear powerplant in 1954.

Federation of Asian States, 1953 Build, Tech Level 7
Spending Type: Market Economy National Effort, Growth: 2% (normally 1%, but extra 1% from SCT).

Income:41 Commerce(26 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 75 from production centers (25 production centers: 4 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 2 Madras, 2 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi), + 10 from Tourism (still some unrest in most of India, but expected to be gone by next year) = 126 points

Population: 400 million people

Maintenance:
x4 Garrison 1
x1 Mechanized .5
x12 Pilots 0
x4 C47 1
x8 P2V Neptune 2
x1 Light Ship unit .25
x1 HQ Units 1
x25 Light Infantry 6.25
x17 Armored 8.5
x3 Infantry .75
x2 Parachute Divisions .5 points
x4 Improved MRBMs 4 points
x9 Mustard Gas "batches" 0
Total Spent: 25.75

Total Remaining: 100.25 points

Social Services:
Level 1 Social Services for everyone (40 points)

Total Spent: 65.75

Total Remaining: 60.25 points

Construction:
x2 Merchant Marine 6 points
x1 Production Center (Agra) 24 points
x1 Production Center (Lahore) 24 points

Total Spent: 73.75

Total Remaining: 23.75

Research:
Pulmonary agents (allows use of Phosgene) 12 points, Final Year

Total Spent:119.75

Total Remaining: 6.25

Aid to other nations:
SCT: 6.25

Total Spent: 126

Total Remaining: 0

Predicted 1954 Budget (Note: Taking into account continuation of National Effort):
43 Commerce(28 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 87 from production centers (29 production centers: 5 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 2 Madras, 2 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 3 Lahore [2 in Lahore from growth]), + 20 from Tourism = 149 points

Yay, the research was completed in 1952 and I will have my first nuclear powerplant in 1954.

Does that mean everyone can build a nukular power plant?

Does that mean everyone can build a nukular power plant?

No 'cos I'm mean. J/k
Not actually, but the only nation I have a nuclear tech agreement is China. As nukes arn't included in the SCT or ASP charters.
In character i have shared the fuelling tech with China in exchange for the ability to test weapons on their soil and for future hydrogen bomb tech.

Parthini']German Build 1952
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: 1% National Effort +1% EEC
Production: 91, 2 oil points, 1 nuclear power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 9 Hamburg, 3 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 3 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 1 Mainz, 2 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden,1 Karlsruhe, 4 Saarbrucken, 2 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 2 Salzburg, 4 Vienna, 1 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 1 Konigsburg, 2 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Regular Spending: 273 Industry+2 oil+1 Nuke Power+8 airline+40 shipping+8 tourist=332 points

Maintainance (74.5):
32 Elite Garrisons-24
17 Elite Pilots-8.5
4 Highly Trained Pilots-1
8 Elite Mechanized Inf-8
1 Highly Trained Alpine-.5
4 Elite Mech Flak-4
4 Elite Mech Artillery-4

2 HQ-2

2 Arado Ar 232-.5 points
4 TA183D-2 points
9 TA200-4.5 points
3 M107-3

3 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup-6 points

2 Transport Groups-.5

80 Coastal Patrol Boats (2 groups)-.5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25
20 Corvettes (1 group)-.25

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (40):
Level 4 for 80 Million-40 points

Civilian Builds (36):

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-4 points

ECC Nuclear Research-6 points

2% Growth: 7 Industry Centers

6 points to Egypt
6 points to Syria
12 points to Brazil

.5 to Operations in Arabia

Military Builds (90):

SECRET Nuclear Infrastructure-24 points (year 1 of 3)

2 Armored Divisions-10 points

3 Attack Submarines-15 points
2 Heavy Cruisers-16 points (year 1 of 3)

3 Do-337-9 points

3 Do-337-9 points
3 Mechanized Flak-15 points
2 Armored Divisons-10 points
13 Expert Pilots-26 points
10 TA-200-20 points
1 HQ-10 points

5 Elite Pilots-10 points (year 1 of 2)
3 Elite Pilots-6 points (year 2 of 2)

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German Build 1953
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: 3% Regular Spending +1% EEC
Production: 98, 2 oil points, 1 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 2 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 4 Saarbrucken, 2 Stuttgart, 5 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 2 Konigsburg, 2 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Edited to Reflect National Effort.

Important: 2 points to ESA

USEA 1953 build

Population: 51 million
Tech level: 7
Government: Social Democracy
Economy: Captalist [Peace time {3% growth + 1% SCT Economic Bonus= 4%}]

Economic budget: 134 points (Production centers [80]: Hanoi 2, Saigon, 2, Vientene 2, Pnomh Penh 2, Bangkok 2, Haiphong 2, Da Nang 2, Cam Ranh 2, Si Racha 2, Can Tho 2, Kampong Cham 2, Sattahip 2, Pakxe 2, Leam Chabang 2, Vinh 2, Kracheh 2, Louangphrabang 2, Xam Nua 2, Surat Thani 2, Chiang Mai 2, Kampot 2. Commerce[40]: 1x National Airline 2, 2x Airport infrastructure 2, 24x Shipping Units 36 [12,000,000 million tons]. Tourism [4]: Saigon 2, Bangkok 1, Hanoi 1 .Natural Growth[10]: 5 )

Domestic:

Level 4 Social spending- 25 points

1x Cruise ship Terminal (Bangkok)- 3.25 points [To be completed next year]

Asian Space Program- 8 points

1x Shipping unit for Burma- 3 points

1x Shipping unit for Burma- .5 points [Completed from last year]


Military:

Indochinese Inteligence Agency- 6 points

Nuclear weapons production program- 6 points

2x Marine Mechanized infantry brigade- 4 points

1x Mechanized infantry division- 4 points

8x Helicopter transport (Ht-1)- 16 points

3x Elite pilots- 12 points

2x Light Missile cruisers- 14 points

2x Amphibious assault group- 12 points

Maintenance:
4 Light infantry divisions 3 points,*
1 parachute brigade .75 points,*
1 HQ unit 1.5 points,*
3 marine light infantry brigades 2.25 points,*
2 flak groups 1 point,*
1 mechanized infantry division 1 point.*
-
1 Dassault Mirage III fighter unit 1 point,
1 C47 transport unit .25 points,
1 A4 Skyhawk light bomber unit .5 points,
5 Elite pilots 2.5 points,
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1 light ship unit (10 destroyers) .25 points,
2 light ship units (40 corvettes) .5 points,
2 Heavy fleet carrier battle groups 2 points
1 Light light missile cruiser .5 points
1 Heavy Missile cruiser .5 points
2 Coastal Patrol Groups .5 points

TOTAL= 20.25
(*Denotes elite training)

...and my set NPC builds:

Basra 1953 build
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 4
Economy: (Normal spending) [3% growth]
Economic Budget [9]: (Oil [2]: 2x oil resource 2. Commerce [7]: 5x shipping 5, 1x national airline 2.

Domestic Spending:

Level 3 social spending 1 point,
.5/5 national airline .5 points, [10% Complete]
2x Shipping unit 6 points


Military Spending:

Maintenace:
1 garrison unit .5 points, [Highly Trained]
2 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry) 1 point [Highly Trained]

Total= 1.5 points.


Baghdad 1953 build
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 5
Economy: (Normal Spending) [3% growth]
Economic Budget [7]: (Production Centres [4]: Baghdad 2. Oil [1]: 1 oil resource. Commerce [2]: 1x national airline 2

Domestic Spending:
Level 3 social spending 1 point,

1/5 national airline 1 point (20% complete)

Military Spending:

Maintenance:
1 garrison unit. 25 points,
4 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry) 1 point,
1 artillery unit .25 points
1 Mechanized infantry division .5 points

Total= 2 points


Netherlands 1953 build
Population: 10 million
Tech level: 7
Economy: (Cut Spending) [5% Growth + 1 % EEC bonus= 6%]
Economic Budget [21]: (Production Centres [8]:Rotterdam 4, Amsterdam 4. Commerce [7] plus 1 national airline, 5 shipping units. Other [3]: 3 colonial points. Tourism [1]: Carribean colony 1. Growth [2]: 1x point of growth 2

Domestic Spending:
level 4 social spending 4 points,
20/24 factory 8 points, [80% complete]
2.5 to UN World Bank


Military Spending:

Maintenance:
2 reserve garrison units .5 points,
2 mechanized divisions 1 point,
2 coastal patrol groups .5 points,
2 light ship units (5 destroyers each) .5 points
2 escort cruisers 1 point,
1 F100 fighter wing .5 points,
1 F86D all weather fighter wing .5 points,
2 elite pilots 2 points,

Total= 6.5

I think I should be moved up a year on Tech advancements. My production is pop-maxed, largely because I'm the smallest PC by population. IIRC, and I'll check at the next build, there are 6 factories in Syria sitting there doing nothing. I've had to pump out shipping like crazy to keep my economy moving. However, that small population does have advantages, making level 5 social services incredibly cheap, so I provide them. I have Level 4 gas research, and both V- rocket techs (one of which I paid for myself) I am increasing the educational standards in Syria (schools offer English, German, French, and Portugese, in addition to Arabic, dependent on size), and all that jazz. Was all of that taken into account, and if not, can the uncounted parts save me any time?

All the effort your putting into the war probaly isn't helping your economy and nation move forward a tech level.

1952

The United Egyptian, Sudanese, and Palestinian Republics
Population: 32 Million
Tech Level: ***7*** (Reached this Year!)
Production: 101.75
15 Egyptian Centers (30) + RE (2.5)
Egyptian National Airline (2)
Egyptian International Airline (2)
Egyptian Tourism (2)
Egyptian Shipping (21)
6 Sudanese Centers (12) + RE (.75)
Sudanese National Airline (2)
Sudanese International Airline (2)
Sudanese Tourism (1)
Sudanese Shipping (7.5)
1 Palestinian Center (2)
Palestinian Shipping (3)
German Aid (12) (I didn’t see the 6 from last year)
*Ethiopian Loan Cancelled*

Maintenance: 5.75
5 Garrison Units (1.25)
4 Mountain Infantry Brigades (1)
1 Mechanized Divisions (.5)
2 Expert Pilots (.5)
1 Hawker Hunters (.5)
1 Armored Divisions (.5)
2 Armored Brigades (.5)
1 Dassault Mirage III (1)

Production: 83
Level 3 Social Services: 12
2 Egyptian Production Centers: 48
2 Light Infantry Divisions: 2
2 Shipping Units: 6
Intelligence Agency: 10
Palestinian Tourism: 2 (Other half paid for last year)
Dassault Mirage III: 3

Foreign Aid: 13.5
UN: 9 (All debt now paid off)
Ethiopia: 3.5

Budget: 101.75
Remainders from Last Year: .5
Total Budget: 102.25
Total Costs: 102.25

Final re-do of my builds (taking into account my latest casulties).

1953 - FNS

46 Million Population

145 base (5 points of growth) (145 potential) + 100 points from International Trade = 245

Level 5 Education and Safety Net: 44p
Upkeep: 60p


6 x Mechanized Divisions = 6p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
8 x Jet Fighters (M-108) = 8
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
1 x E121 Aircraft = .5
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
6 x Light Ships (30 Destroyers) = 1.5p
5 x Light Ships (50 Frigates) = 1.25p
1 x Patrol Group = .25p
2 x Missile Boat Groups = .5p
10 x Nuclear Submarines
11 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x IRBM = 1p
400 x AS-15 KENT missiles = 4p
+ 6 for constant nuclear fueling
+ a futher 6 for nuclear improvement

140.5 + 10 from China for Discretionary Spending (150.5pts)

Free Milk for everyone - 22pts
Year 2/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
Year 2/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
20 points to Brazil
12 points for large ICBMs (year two of two, taking over for SU)
12 Points to Space Program
24 Points to Launch Mercury Type Mission
12 points for OASIS use (Organization for American Security Intelligence Service)
2 points average pilot
5.5 points reperations for Native Indians in the FNS
35 points

Suggestions for those 35 points?

1953 - FNS

Suggestions for those 35 points?

Build an extra factory for 24 points or build a nuclear power plant for 24 points.

Preliminary Russian National Builds – 1953
Reduced Spending Enacted
73 (6 added from US aid and larger growth) Factories + 30 Commerce (20 Shipping Units + 4 Airlines) + 3 Oil + 4 Tourism = 110

Military Upkeep:
6 Infantry Corps (3 Points)
2 Elite Mountain Divisions (6 Brigades) (5 Points)
4 Yak 25 w/ Expert Pilots (6 Points)
2 Yak 28 w/ Expert Pilots (3 Points)
2 Air Transports w/ Average Pilots (.5 Points)
Total: 17.5

Level 3 Social Services: 28 points
Intelligence Network: 5 Points
Improve Electronics Industry: 5 Points

Purchases:
1 Factory: 24 Points
5 Elite Mechanized Infantry Divisions: 20 Points
5 Elite Armored Brigades: 10 Points

Spent: 109.5
Waste: .5 Points

Build an extra factory for 24 points or build a nuclear power plant for 24 points.

What do Nukular Power Plants do, by the way?

Preliminary Russian National Builds – 1953

Waste: 5.5 Points

If some one could look this over, I think I cleared out most of the bugs. Or if anyone wants those extra points, just give a good reason and we'll see ;)

I would suggest investing in your neighbors, like the Republic of Armenia and Georgia (who could use some foreign aid)

What do Nukular Power Plants do, by the way?

once I finish up the energy demand and supply rules, they are going to be damned useful

once I finish up the energy demand and supply rules, they are going to be damned useful

OOoOOOOoOOOOooOOOooOOOooOOOoOOOOooOOOooOOOOooOOOOhhhh.

That's kewl.

Any economic benefits, though?

once I finish up the energy demand and supply rules, they are going to be damned useful

GB, any idea on how to incorporate clean / renewable energy like hydroelectric power, seeing that China has the world's largest hydroelectric potential at 6000 trillion KW / h (enough to power 2 RL year 2006 USA's every year).

GB, any idea on how to incorporate clean / renewable energy like hydroelectric power, seeing that China has the world's largest hydroelectric potential at 6000 trillion KW / h (enough to power 2 RL year 2006 USA's every year).

its being considered as well

OOC: NPC builds have been switched around a bit; I will now handle Oman and Western Arabia, and Safehaven2 will handle Poland and Ukraine, in order to avoid any conflict of interest involving the Scandic Union's possible enemies.

South African build should be up tonight, with Italian, Omani, and Western Arabian builds sometime tomorrow.

OOC: NPC builds have been switched around a bit; I will now handle Oman and Western Arabia, and Safehaven2 will handle Poland and Ukraine, in order to avoid any conflict of interest involving the Scandic Union's possible enemies.

South African build should be up tonight, with Italian, Omani, and Western Arabian builds sometime tomorrow.

Wait; The Scandic Union is in control of Poland?

Err...I don't find that wise. You never know, the SU might try to abuse Poland so that it can take it over.

I'm not in charge of Poland, I'm just doing its builds which makes more sense than me doing Western Arabia's builds seeing as how Saudi Arabia is an ally. I'm just doing the builds, nothing with Polsih policy exc.

I'm not in charge of Poland, I'm just doing its builds which makes more sense than me doing Western Arabia's builds seeing as how Saudi Arabia is an ally. I'm just doing the builds, nothing with Polsih policy exc.

You could make Poland make alot of sucky soldiers, then make a type of unit that does really well against that weak unit so that you can easily invade...

I may seem a bit protectionist, but if I wasn't India, I'd deffinetly be Poland, and if someone gets rid of Poland I'm going to bomb them into oblivion. Don't worry, I'll find a way.

South African Budget 1953
Population: 28,870,000
Income: 143
Production: 90 (30 production centers/56 maximum)
Commerce: 40 (27 shipping units)
Airline: 10
Tourism: 3 (civil strife)
Annual Growth: 2% (Market/National Effort=1%, +1% from Commonwealth)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep- 12.75 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-8 points
Continuing Research Grants-6 points

Government Projects
9x Shipping Units (for Nigeria)-27 points
2x Production Center-48 points
Ecological Surveys--24 points
1x Coastal Patrol Unit-3 points
Assisting US Space Program-2 points
Building Electronics Industry-5 points (Year 1 of 5)
1x Transport Helicopter Unit-2 points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Outstanding Debt:
27 points owed by Nigeria-to be paid back in 1957

Surplus
.25 points

Projected 1953 Income: 99 (32 production centers + 1 growth) + 40 commerce + 10 airline + 3 tourism = 152 total points

Feasible Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.


Sultanate of Oman (includes UAE territories)
Population: 3 million
Tech level 4
Income: 7 points (No production, 5 oil points plus 1 national airline)
1953 budget:
Level V social spending-1.5 points
Military Maintenance- 1.5 points (2 garrison units, Patrol Group (20 corvettes), 1 airborne brigade 1 mechanized division)
National Airline-paid for by US
Foreign Aid-1 point to Western Arabia (for social services and military spending)
Rural Electrification (year 2 of 3)-paid for by US
Transportation Improvements (year 2 of 3)-paid for by US
1x Production Center-paid for by US

1954 Income: 11 points (2 production, 5 oil, 4 airline)

Sultanate of Western Arabia
Population: 2 million
Tech level 2
Income: (No production or resources, gets 1 point a year to represent money flow from annual migration to Mecca, plus aid from Oman)
1953 budget:
Level I social spending- .25 points
Military Maintenance- .75 points (3 garrison units)
Coastal Patrol Group-1 point (to be completed in 1955)
Rural Electrification (year 2 of 3)-paid for by US
Transportation Improvements (year 2 of 3)-paid for by US

1954 Income-1 or 2 points, depending on Omani and US aid.

OOC: NPC builds have been switched around a bit; I will now handle Oman and Western Arabia, and Safehaven2 will handle Poland and Ukraine, in order to avoid any conflict of interest involving the Scandic Union's possible enemies.

South African build should be up tonight, with Italian, Omani, and Western Arabian builds sometime tomorrow.

sounds reasonable to me... just don't forget to factor in US aid (which has been sizeable to both nations as well as the Turkish nations)

US Budget 1953
Population 154 million tech level 7
Production centers 300 (maximum potential 300)
Shipping units 25
Oil 23
Colonial 5
Tourist income 15
Airlines 4 (international and national)

Trading Partners: Canada 4, Mexico 4, UK 3, Japan 4, Russia 4, Central America, Caribbean and Iceland 4, FNS 4, Africa 3, East Asia 3, Europe 4, South Asia 1, Australia 2

tech level 7.5 requirements met: Has level 3 services 10+ years, national airline, has built nuclear power plants, plus year 1 of 5 productivity maximum, year 1 of 5 electronics industry research, and will have a man in orbit next year. In other words, will reach tech level 7.5 as of 1958.

Income
600 domestic + 40 commerce + 23 oil + 5 colonial + 15 tourism = 683 points
1953 Growth 4% peacetime spending (none as economic productivity maximum has been reached)

Total military maintenance 239 points
Level 4 social services (all US including colonial territories) 76 points
Civil Defense 15 points
Intelligence Agency maintenance 5 points
Nuclear energy program 6 points

Subtotal 341 points

Military and Civilian research
Large ICBM technology 12 points (year 1 of 2)
Manned Space flight (X 15) 12 points (Year 4 of 4)(more suborbital flights achieved this year)
Manned Space Flight (Mercury) 12 points (Year 1 of 2)(no missions until next year)
Nuclear weapons research 12 points (ongoing improvements, US scales back testing to a half dozen tests a year spread between Pacific Proving Ground and Nevada Proving Ground)

Military builds
2 Kitty Hawk class carrier battlegroups (year 3 of 3) 10 points
1 Kitty Hawk class carrier battlegroups (year 1 of 3) 5 points
2 nuclear attack submarine 10 points
Space program 6 satellite launch attempts planned (6 points)

Subtotal 413 points

Foreign Aid
Rural Electrification and Transportation improvements for Morocco (10 million people) 3 points (year 3of 3)
Rural Electrification and Transportation improvements for Liberia (1 million people), 1 point ( year 3of 3)
Rural electrification and transportation improvements for Mexico (32 million people), 9 points (year 3 of 3)
Rural electrification and transportation improvements for Central America, Iceland, Virgin Islands, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic, (20 million people) 6 points (year 3 of 3)
Rural Electrification and transportation improvements for Oman, Western Arabia, Kurdistan, Turkey, Central Asia, Jordan (32 million people) 10 points (year 2 of 3)
1 production center for Nigeria 24 points
Covert CIA missions (3 points to assist pro democracy Hindu groups in the FAS, 3 points each to assist Afghanis and Persians – essentially covert supplying of money to assist with peaceful and other efforts) 9 points total

Subtotal 478 points

205 points available for other spending
Additional Domestic improvements
Federal Highway project (Interstates) 30 points (year 1 of 3)
3 production centers for Russia (72 points)
1 production center for El Salvador (24 points)
1 production center for Mexico (24 points)
Military assistance to Oman, Western Arabia and Jordan (24 points)
1 production center for Oman (24 points)
1 airline for Oman (5 points)
French Foreign Legion subsidy 2 points

5 points for electronics industry research (DARPA projects of various types)

additional 2 points each from South Africa and Australia (if provided) will be used for unmanned Mercury orbital missions

Feasible Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Does Level 5 for several dozen years count)
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years3/5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. Give me another year or two
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. Been there done that
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. Who hasn't been to the Federation of South American Nations, jeez

Feasible Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Does Level 5 for several dozen years count)
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years3/5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. Give me another year or two
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. Been there done that
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. Who hasn't been to the Federation of South American Nations, jeez

still need the 5 years of research on electronics industry

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 yearsWorking on that.
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years Um. Let's see, I have 25 Production Centers, and a max of 400. Yeah, it's going to be 'till 1980 till I even get 75% productivity.)
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.[b]Hopefully soon, but the SCT prolly won't give me any credit, either....
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. Not really, since the other SCT members decided that I'm not to share in the benefits...
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. Thank God, this is the only one I have
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry Will start in before 1960

So, basically, I have 1 out of 6. Swell.

1953 - FNS

46 Million Population

145 base (5 points of growth) (145 potential) + 100 points from International Trade = 245

Level 5 Education and Safety Net: 44p
Upkeep: 60p


6 x Mechanized Divisions = 6p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
8 x Jet Fighters (M-108) = 8
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
1 x E121 Aircraft = .5
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
6 x Light Ships (30 Destroyers) = 1.5p
5 x Light Ships (50 Frigates) = 1.25p
1 x Patrol Group = .25p
2 x Missile Boat Groups = .5p
10 x Nuclear Submarines
11 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x IRBM = 1p
400 x AS-15 KENT missiles = 4p
+ 6 for constant nuclear fueling
+ a futher 6 for nuclear improvement

140.5 + 10 from China for Discretionary Spending (150.5pts)

Free Milk for everyone - 22pts
Year 2/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
Year 2/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
20 points to Brazil
12 points for large ICBMs (year two of two, taking over for SU)
12 Points to Space Program (In French Guyana)
24 Points to Launch Mercury Type Mission
12 points for OASIS use (Organization for American Security Intelligence Service)
2 points average pilot
4.5 points reperations for Native Indians in the FNS
12 points for Electronics Industry (1/5)
24 points for second Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina (Original in Peru)


Bastards.

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years Done
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years Done
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.Will have suborbit this year, full orbit in another few
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. Done
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. Done
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry Will start in 1955

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years DONE
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years, WILL DO IN 5 YEARS
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. WILL DO NEXT YEAR
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. DONE
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. DONE
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry WILL START NEXT YEAR

1953 - FNS


12 Points to Space Program
24 Points to Launch Mercury Type Mission

Suggestions for those 35 points?

no more then 12 points a year on space research... are you paying for 24 Mercury missions this year or spending it on the research to launch one?

Korea and Vladivostok Protected City- 1953 builds:

Population 33 million
Tech level 7 (all shipping now 1.5pts)
Constitutional Monarchy
Market Economy, Peacetime 3%(SCT Growth Bonus adds +1%, so 2%)

28 points Production centers: Seoul 3 Pusan 3 Pyongyang 3 Vladivostok 3 Kwangju 2

18 shipping units= 27 Points

1 national airline, 1 International Airline (Korean Airlines)= 4 points

and 3 points of tourism (Seoul, Pyongyang, Vladivostok International Airports)

SCT member= 1% Growth Bonus

66 total points to spend (rounded, factoring growth in)

Level 4 social spending- 12 points

Foreign Aid- 12 points to a Pan-SCT Asian Space Program (OOC: Any of the SCT guys need to work on rocket research, stuff like that, this goes to that)

Five points allocated to keep the Korean National Police Agency going

Korean Armed Forces

Korean Army:

2 infantry division .5 points
2 mountain infantry brigades .5 points
1 HQ unit- 1pt
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)
1 Armored Division- .5 matenance
1 Mech Infantry Division-.5 points
1 Infantry Corps- .5 points
1 Transport Group-.25 points

Korean Air Force:

2 Dassault Mirage III Fighters-2
6 expert pilots 1.50 points
1 IL-28/H-5 Light Bomber Unit- .5 matenance
1 Transport Helo unit (Ht-1 Jin) -.25
1 Lincoln Tanker-.5
1 Flying Boxcar-.25
4 Sejong IRBM Missiles-4 points

Korean Navy:

1 Light Cruiser, .5 matenance
1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance
2 Attack Submarine Groups- 1 point matenance
2 Units of Coastal patrol vessels- .5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25

Total: 16 Points (Estimated)

To Be Disbanded (or Gifted to somebody Else: Anybody want these just say so!)

1 F86 Fighter unit
1 C47 Transport (To be Replaced with Boxcar)

Things to buy-

1 HQ Unit-10 points
5 Points- Subsidies to encourage development of an electronics industry
6 Points for an Avro Vulcan (to be used as a Strategic Recon Unit by Korean Intelligence)

OOC: I read one of those historical population graphs...I was stumped...

Requirements for Tech 7.5
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Got that)
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (Not quite there yet)
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. (Will soon)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (Not yet)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (Yup)
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry (I can do that?)

SIC: The German Government contacts Korea about the donation of an F86 to a good cause.

Added rules for tech level advancements. There aren't any specific countries advancing in specific years, because a new system has been implemented.

German Build 1953
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 98, 2 oil points, 1 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 2 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 4 Saarbrucken, 2 Stuttgart, 5 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 2 Konigsburg, 2 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Regular Spending: 196 Industry+2 oil+1 Nuke Power+8 airline+40 shipping+8 tourist=255 points

Maintainance (94.75):
32 Elite Garrisons-24
20 Elite Pilots-10
17 Expert Pilots-4.25
8 Elite Mechanized Inf-8
4 Elite Armored-4
1 Highly Trained Alpine-.5
7 Elite Mech Flak-7
4 Elite Mech Artillery-4

3 HQ-3

2 Arado Ar 232-.5 points
6 Do 337-3
19 TA200-9.5 points
3 M107-3

3 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup-6 points

3 Attack Submarine-1.5

2 Transport Groups-.5

80 Coastal Patrol Boats (2 groups)-.5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25
20 Corvettes (1 group)-.25

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (40):
Level 4 for 80 Million-40 points

Civilian Builds (86.25):

Commuter Rail Uprgrade-6 points

Electronics Industry Research-5 points

Nuclear Power Plant-24 points

Commuter Airports-8 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-6 points

ECC Nuclear Research-6 points

4% Growth: 10 Industry Centers

Beer Company Subsidies-.25

6 points to Egypt
6 points to Syria
5 Shipping Units for Nigeria-15

20 to Operations in Arabia

Military Builds (34):

SECRET Nuclear Infrastructure-24 points (year 2 of 3)

5 Elite Pilots-10 points (year 2 of 2)

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German Build 1954
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 108, 2 oil points, 2 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
5 Dortmund, 5 Essen, 5 Dusseldorf, 5 Koln, 5 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 4 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 3 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 2 Poznan

1953

The United Egyptian, Sudanese, and Palestinian Republics
Population: 32 Million
Tech Level: 7
Production: 104.5
18 Egyptian Centers (36)
Egyptian National Airline (2)
Egyptian International Airline (2)
Egyptian Tourism (2)
Egyptian Shipping (21)
6 Sudanese Centers (12)
Sudanese National Airline (2)
Sudanese International Airline (2)
Sudanese Tourism (1)
Sudanese Shipping (7.5)
2 Palestinian Centers (4)
Palestinian Shipping (6)
Palestinian Tourism (1)
German Aid (6)

Maintenance: 12.25
5 Garrison Units (1.25)
4 Mountain Infantry Brigades (1)
2 Expert Pilots (.5)
2 Armored Brigades (.5)
2 Light Infantry Divisions (.5)
1 Mechanized Divisions (.5)
1 Hawker Hunters (.5)
1 Armored Divisions (.5)
2 Dassault Mirage III (2)
Intelligence Agency (5)

Production: 88
Level 3 Social Services: 12
Improving infrastructure of Palestine: 6 (To help it catch up in technology)
Egyptian Production Center: 24
Sudanese Shipping Unit: 3
Palestinian National Airline: 5
Palestinian International Airline: 6
2 Elite Pilots: 8
3 Armored Divisions: 15
2 Flak Brigades: 6
E121 Early Warning Aircraft: 3 (Purchased from U.S.)

Foreign Aid:
Ethiopia: 4.25

Budget: 104.5
Total Costs: 104.5

The Empire of Abyssinia (Ethiopia)
Population: 20 Million
Tech Level: 5
Production: 13.25
2 Production Centers (4)
Natural Resources (1)
National Airline (2)
International Airline (2)
United Republican Aid (4.25)

Maintenance: 2.5
8 Light Infantry Divisions: (2)
2 Infantry Corps: (.5)

Production: 10.75
Lv.1 Social Services: 2
Production Center: 5.75 (1/4 Finished)
1 Shipping Unit: 3

Budget: 13.25
Total Costs: 13.25

Parthini']SIC: The German Government contacts Korea about the donation of an F86 to a good cause.

SIC:

Kim Gu's government consents, after all, they don't need that unit of obsolete F86s. They're crated up, and readied for shipment...of course, we must ask, to where?

Requirements for Tech 7.5

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Will complete 10 years by 1961)

2. Has reached 75% of maximum economic productivity for at least 5 years (Reach 75% by 1965 or so, then goal met by 1970-1975)

3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. (Condition shall be met upon launching of the SCT's first men into space)

4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (Condition met by 1954)

5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (Maximum tourism and airline income reached)

6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry (Will begin next year)

Conditions #1 and #2 will be met in the 1960's.
Conditions #3 and #4 will be met by 1954 at least.
Condition #5 already met.
Condition #6 will be met by 1958 - 1959.

Tech 7.5

4 out of 6 conditions for Tech 7.5 will be met by 1958 - 1959, so China will reach Tech 7.5 by 1959 at the latest at around the same time the USA does.

Tech 8

China will reach Tech 8 by the early 1970's once all 6 conditions are satisified during the 1960's and early 1970's.

no more then 12 points a year on space research... are you paying for 24 Mercury missions this year or spending it on the research to launch one?
Just one mission... so Im confused. If I can only spend 12 points a year on space research, how the hell do you spend the extra 24 to launch a mission?

Just one mission... so Im confused. If I can only spend 12 points a year on space research, how the hell do you spend the extra 24 to launch a mission?

I was wondering what you are spending on... and you spread the 24 points for manned space flight over two years. Missions themselves are a seperate cost above the cost of the investment in the technology.

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Level 5 for 6 years as of 1953)
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (since 1945)
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. (started out far far behind in space program)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (see #3)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (airline-check, tourism-not profitable, ie. spending the points would be a waste of money, as they'd take roughly 8 years to pay themselves off, although it might be the cheapest route to Lvl. 7.5)
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry (assuming peacetime economy 1953, build to be done tommorow, about to start)

in other words, its possible for me to hit it by 1958, if the 3 out of 1-5, plus 6 is the requirement.

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Level 5 for 6 years as of 1953)
2. Has reached economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (since 1945)
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. (started out far far behind in space program)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (see #3)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (airline-check, tourism-not profitable, ie. spending the points would be a waste of money, as they'd take roughly 8 years to pay themselves off, although it might be the cheapest route to Lvl. 7.5)
6. Spent 5 point a year for 5 years on building an electronics industry (assuming peacetime economy 1953, build to be done tommorow, about to start)

in other words, its possible for me to hit it by 1958, if the 3 out of 1-5, plus 6 is the requirement.

Holy shit, how can Syria be reaching the information age in 1958?!? They haven't even reached it in RL!

I have to say, this system is horribly biased towards me. I know that sounds selfish, but come on! What other PC nation, besides that poor bastard Nigeria, isn't going to reach the Information Age for another 4 months?

My population is so small, I have like 6 factories collecting dust. However, in the interests of fairness, I could wait until I get one of the other steps, either Space or Nuke plants. I'd prefer the nuke plants, but everyone and their mother will scream if I try nuclear research. Missile research could get the same reaction. 1958 is early, but in this history Syria isnt constantly getting its rear kicked by Israel, and Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, and the 7 billion other terrorists in the region aren't welcome here. We let Scandanavia fund them :p Size is my biggest boon (level 5 services, maxed economy) and biggest curse (maxed economy=limited research) in this game. Perhaps every single person in china would like to move to Syria. I'll be able to use all my factories, and it'll slow down level 7.5, severely.

Holy shit, how can Syria be reaching the information age in 1958?!? They haven't even reached it in RL!

I have to say, this system is horribly biased towards me. I know that sounds selfish, but come on! What other PC nation, besides that poor bastard Nigeria, isn't going to reach the Information Age for another 4 months?

Japan was making transistor radios (for example) in the early 60s.. so its reasonable at this point. Tech level 8 will be a lot harder to get.

Japan was making transistor radios (for example) in the early 60s.. so its reasonable at this point. Tech level 8 will be a lot harder to get.

Don't even get me started on Tech Level 8. I'm not seeing that for another year, at this rate.

Holy shit, how can Syria be reaching the information age in 1958?!? They haven't even reached it in RL!

I have to say, this system is horribly biased towards me. I know that sounds selfish, but come on! What other PC nation, besides that poor bastard Nigeria, isn't going to reach the Information Age for another 4 months?

Actually, with some help from SA, I could hit it within a couple months.

Nigerian Economy, 1953

Market Economy

Tech Level Six

Growth: 3%

Points: Two production centers (4), Five points from oil (5), Two points from Tourism (2), Nine points from shipping (9, 1 shipping unit from SA, 7 from Germany. All tech lvl 7), Seven points in foreign aid from Britain (7)

Total: 27 points

Civil Spending

Level III Social Services-10 Points

International Airport-5 points (6/6)

National Airport-5 points

Tourism-6 Points (MAXED OUT)

Production Center (24 Points, being built by USA)

Military Spending
1xHighly Trained Infantry Division-.5 points

Waste
.5 Points

Projected Budget for 1954

4 Points from International and National Airports
3.5 Points from Tourism
9 Points from Current Shipping, plus 13.5 more from 9 South African built shipping units.
6 Points from Industry

TOTAL: 36 points

Shipping Unit Distribution
Two to South Africa
Two to Great Britan
Two to Germany

EDIT: Edited to reflect foriegn aid from Britain and shipping units from Germany.

Ive had an Idea on how nuclear and hydroelctric powerpalnts will work.

Nuclear powerplants will count as production centres, that do not count towards the production cap of the country.
They cost 24 points to build.
When oil becomes scarce nuclear powerplants will not have to be supplied with oil to keep them working and will allow for up to twelve production centers per powerplant to also not require oil to function.
However nuclear power plants will require 1 point maintenance every turn to keep them safe, if this is not paid there is a chance of an accident occuring.


Hydroelctric power works the same way but will cost more or less depending on where you want to put the Dam(decided by moderator). Dams can only be constructed on suitable large rivers.
The amount of Production Centres they affect also depends on their size and is decided by moderator, they also decide on the really big Dams any other effects such as increased growth from greater river navigation etc.
Hydro electric power will also only require 0.25 to 0.5 points safety maintance each year (0.25 for small ones, 0.5 for big ones).


Later on in tech level 8 or 9 when oil gets really scarce and expensve I suggest that you can research alternative energy technology.

This allows, after an intial research cost of 48 points, for 1 point per 2 million people per year for 4 years for 5% of your production centres to not need oil to continue functioning.

What do you think, good?

SIC:

Kim Gu's government consents, after all, they don't need that unit of obsolete F86s. They're crated up, and readied for shipment...of course, we must ask, to where?

SIC: They are to be sent to Syria.

Parthini']SIC: They are to be sent to Syria.

SIC:

The Kim Government, in this case, denies your request for F86s, citing the unstable situation in the Mideast at the moment.

OOC EDIT: Chill out....they're not going anywhere....

OOC: Nigeria, as an independance gift, I award you 5 level 7 shipping units. That means you now get 7.5 more points! Huzzah!

Ive had an Idea on how nuclear and hydroelctric powerpalnts will work.

Nuclear powerplants will count as production centres, that do not count towards the production cap of the country.
They cost 24 points to build.
When oil becomes scarce nuclear powerplants will not have to be supplied with oil to keep them working and will allow for up to twelve production centers per powerplant to also not require oil to function.
However nuclear power plants will require 1 point maintenance every turn to keep them safe, if this is not paid there is a chance of an accident occuring.


Hydroelctric power works the same way but will cost more or less depending on where you want to put the Dam(decided by moderator). Dams can only be constructed on suitable large rivers.
The amount of Production Centres they affect also depends on their size and is decided by moderator, they also decide on the really big Dams any other effects such as increased growth from greater river navigation etc.
Hydro electric power will also only require 0.25 to 0.5 points safety maintance each year (0.25 for small ones, 0.5 for big ones).


Later on in tech level 8 or 9 when oil gets really scarce and expensve I suggest that you can research alternative energy technology.

This allows, after an intial research cost of 48 points, for 1 point per 2 million people per year for 4 years for 5% of your production centres to not need oil to continue functioning.

What do you think, good?


that is generally along the lines of what I am thinking, but still working on the proportions

by the way.. based on historic oil production, Saudi Arabia should now have 12 oil points, Oman (and the territories it controls) 5, Persia 5, Kurdistan 4, and Basra 3

Brunei should have 2

Siberia now has 7 as well

US production will fall beginning 1960 (by 10%)

North Sea oil drilling becomes possible at tech level 7.5 and will provide Britian with 3, the Scandic Union with 6

SIC:

Very well. They will be sent there on the morrow. Don't say they came from us though. ;)

I wouldn't do it.

SIC: They are to be sent to Syria.

Oh good, lets restart the war...

Oh good, lets restart the war...

OOC: I've decided to cancel the shipment.

Belgium Build, 1953
Population: 8 Million
Tech level: 7
Government:Capitalist Democracy
Economy: (Cut Spending) [5% natural growth + 1% EEC bonus= 6%]
Economic Budget: 26 points
Production centres [7] :Liege 3, Brussels 3, Antwerp 1.
Commerce [10]: 1x national airline 2, 1x international airline 2, 6x shipping units 8 [3,000,000 million tons].
Other [6]: 6 colonial points.
Growth [2]: 1x point of growth 2

Civil Spending
Level 3 social services 3 points,
civil defense 1 point,
2 Shipping units 10 points

Total: 14 points

Military Spending
Upgrade Garrison to Infantry Division-1 point


Military Upkeep
3 Garrisons .75 points
1 Light Infantry Division .25 points
1 BAC Lightning Group .5 points
1 C47 unit .25 points,
1 elite airborne brigade 1 point,
2 light ship units (5 destroyers, 20 corvettes) .5 points
4 expert pilots 2 points

Total: 5.25 Points

Colonial Spending

Level II Social Services for the Belgian Congo (30 million) 6 points

Total: 26.25 points

Tenative Syrian build 1953 (Peacetime Market)
Income: 32.5 (Production [8], Airline [2], Shipping [22.5]) {with 6 factories idle}
Military Upkeep: 12.75
Level 5 Social services: 4
Variable Spending:
Electronics Industry (year 1/5): 5
finish shipping unit: .5
Trawlers (for SFIR, secret): 1
To Saudis: 1.25
Building Beirut Int'l Airport (tourism airport): 4
Operation Kharabaa: 4


Any foriegn aid will go to operation TBD, have to search for a fitting Arabic name.

Build 1952
46 prod centers-
Kiel 4, Copenhagen 5, Stockholm 5, Gothenburg 5, Karlskrona 5, Norrkoping 5, Oslo 5, Petrograd 5, Helsinki 3, Tallin 2, Murmansk 2
30 shipping units
4 airlines
80 points Prod centers(National Effort), 40 points commerce, 2 points tourism-122 points

32 points-maintainence
6 points-lv 3 social
6 points-Nuke program
5 points-intel agency
4 points-Lv 4 Chemical warfare(1/5)
3 points-Nuclear power plant in northern Finland(done)
15 points-3 nuclear attack subs
15 points-3 ballistic missile subs
3 points-Tu14
3 points-S1
5 points-electronic industry(1/5)
8 points- Saudi Arabia
8 points-UIR
12 points-Turkey



Turkey
Population: 12 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Ankara 2, Smyrnia 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 11 shipping units=21 points+12 points SU aid
Spending: Level 3 social services 3.25 points,
2 TA183D fighter units, 2 expert pilots, 2 TA152 fighter bomber units, 2 expert pilots, coast guard with 20 corvettes, 8 light infantry divisions (well trained) 4 militia units 8.5 points.
Purchase:
1 shipping unit-1.75 points(done)
Prod center-19.5(4.5 left)

Central Asian Republic
Population: 8 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Tashkent 4, Alma Ata 2, 1 national airline, 1 international airline=16 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 3 points, 4 infantry corps, 3 pilots, 2 IL10, 1 garrison unit, 1 Saab Lansen 3 points, Intelligence service 5

Buy:
1 airline-3.25(done)
Airport(Tashkent)-1.75(2.25 left)

Azerbaijan
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 6
Income: 4 oil points, plus 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 1 shipping=9 points
Spending: level 5 social spending 1 point, 1 MiG 19, 1 pilot, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps (well trained) 6 points.
Build:
Airline-2 points(4 left)


Kashgaria
Population: 5 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Urumchi 1 , Kashgar 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline=7 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 2 points, 4 garrison units 1 point.

Buy:
4 points-prod center(20 points left)


Ukrainian Budget 1953
Population: 37 million
Tech level: 7
Income (Normal): (28 prod centers)Stalino 6, Dneipopetrovsk 6, Kiev 6, Odessa 5, Kharkov 5, 8 shipping units, 1 national airline, 1 international airline=70
Level 3 social spending: 11 points
Military Maintenance: 8.5 points (4 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 3 armored divisions, 4 MiG 19, 4 expert pilot, 10 destroyers, 40 corvettes).
Spending: 50.5 points to spend

12 points-4 Mig21 intercepors
2 points-2 Saab Lansens
30 points-10 shipping units
4 points-air terminal(Kiev)
2.5 points-airline(3.5 left)

Growth for next year-2.1

Polish Budget 1953
Population: 45 million
Tech Level 7
Production centers: (39 prod centers)Warsaw 6, Lodz 6, Krakow 6, Katowice 6, Brest-Litovsk 5, Lvov 5, Riga 5 plus 6 shipping points, 1 national airline=77 points
Level III social services: 13.5 points.
Military Maintenance: 10.25 points (2 armored corps, 8 infantry corps, 8 flak units, 3 Mig 15 jet fighter units, 3 C47 transport units, 8 pilots).

Spending: 64.25 points to spend

12 points-4 Mig 21 interceptors
6 points-3 Saab Lansens
8 points-2 Tu16
8 points-4 pilots
6 points-international airline
8 points-2 air terminal(Warsaw, Lodz)
15 points-5 shipping units
1.25-KC135(1.75 left)

British Builds 1953
(Important bits are italicised). Standard market economy, 3% growth (plus 1% for EEC/Commonwealth)

Production Centres: UK: 104 as follows: 16 London, 14 Birmingham, 10 Coventry, 8 Manchester, 6 Hull, 6 Liverpool, 6 Glasgow, 6 Newcastle, 6 Sheffield, 6 Edinburgh, 6 Bristol, 6 Leeds, 3 Derby, 3 Nottingham,

Colonial: 6 as follows: 1 Kenya, 2 Tanzania, 2 Carribean, 1 Cyprus,

INCOME
Production Centres: 220 points
Colonial Support: 4 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units of shipping, 10 liners), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 5 points (London airports: Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead; Birmingham airport; Dover cruise terminal)
Imperial tourism: 5 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal; Tanzania airport)
From German Nuclear Research: 6 points
From German government for ESA program: 4 points
From French government for ESA program: 4 points

TOTAL: 300

growth yields 12 new production facilities for next year, for colonial areas.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 70
level 4 social services for UK (52m): 26
level 4 social services for Empire (60m): 30
Military Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
6 points for nuclear weapons program (maintenance)
12 points for tactical nuclear weapons research (year 4 of 5)
24 points to start and finish improved IRBM missile program (24/24 complete)
12 points for space research (first manned orbital missions) (24/24 complete)
level 4 social serviced for British, Moroccan and Algerian UN mandates (24m): 12

Extraordinary Expenditure:
17 points for 170 large ICBMs (1MT yield, 10,000 mile range)
5 points for tech 7.5 electronics research (year 1/5)
manned space launches 6 attempts = 30 points
6 points for unmanned mission costs (6 Sputnik style satellite)

Foreign Aid
7 to each of Nigeria, Togo, Senegal, Ghana, Gambia


Total: 288


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NOTE AID TO NIGERIA

WILL POST COLONIES AND EX-COLONIES TOMORROW

Population:
16 million Australasian

Market Economy Peacetime:
Growth = 4% (3+1) of 106 rounds to 4 new Production Centers
Production Centers:
Sydney 4; Melbourne 4; Adelaide 3; Canberra 3; Brisbane 4; Auckland 2; Perth 4; Wellington 2; Port Moresby 1 = 54
Resources:
New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 4
Commerce:
20 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 34
Tourism:
1 Jet Terminal in Sydney; 1 Jet Terminal in Melbourne = 1.5 (population limits)

Budget for 1952: 54+4+34+1.5= 93.5 points

Social Spending:
Level 4 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--7.5 points
Level 4 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--4 points
11.5 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
4 Cruisers--2 points
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
15 Subs (3 units)--1.5 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
6 Pilots at Elite Level--3 points
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions--1 point
2 Garrison Units at Average level--1 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (highly trained)--1 point
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
1 Light Jet Bomber--0.5 points
1 Fighter Bomber--0.25 points
1 Transport--0.25
4 Gen. 3 jet fighters--4 points
20 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 A4 Skyhawk--3 points
1 A5 Vigilante--3 points
Founding of Intelligence Agency--10 points
Improved MRBM research--12 points (finished)
SECRET: Contribution to Expansion of missile testing ground near Townsville and donation to US space program--5 points
33 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
4 Merchant Marines--12 points
Investment in Domestic Electronics Agency--5 points
Start Industrial Center in Moluccas (at Ambon)--12 points
29 Points Spent

11.5 + 20 + 33 + 29 = 93.5 Points Spent

Australian Commerce Breakdown
34 Economic Points

USA 6; Britain 6; South Africa 4; FAS 3; China 3; USEA 2; Korea 2; Germany 2; FNS 2; Japan 2; Dispersed 2 (multiple nations receive fractions of points, specifically industrialized Europe)

Advancing to Tech Level 7.5 Benchmark:
Blue Text Implies Achievement of Requirement:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.

Trading Partners of Pakistan:
40 Commerce Points from Shipping (20,000,000 Tons)
Great Britain-5 (2.5 million tons)
Korea-3 (1.5 million tons)
South Africa-3(1.5 million tons)
USEA-6(3 million tons)
China-3(1.5 million tons)
UIR-5 (2.5 million tons)
Colombia-3(1.5 million tons)
Australia-4 (2 million tons)
Japan-3 (1.5 million tons)
Syria-2 (1 million tons)
Dispersed-3(1.5 million tons)


Also, I would like to state that the name of the Pakistani security agency is the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI.

Nigerian build Edited.

Belgium Build, 1953
Population: 8 Million
Tech level: 7
Government:Capitalist Democracy
Economy: (Cut Spending) [5% natural growth + 1% EEC bonus= 6%]
Economic Budget: 26 points
Production centres [7] :Liege 3, Brussels 3, Antwerp 1.
Commerce [10]: 1x national airline 2, 1x international airline 2, 6x shipping units 8 [3,000,000 million tons].
Other [6]: 6 colonial points.
Growth [2]: 1x point of growth 2

Civil Spending
Level 3 social services 3 points,
civil defense 1 point,
2 Shipping units 10 points

Total: 14 points

Military Spending
Upgrade Garrison to Infantry Division-1 point


Military Upkeep
3 Garrisons .75 points
1 Light Infantry Division .25 points
1 BAC Lightning Group .5 points
1 C47 unit .25 points,
1 elite airborne brigade 1 point,
2 light ship units (5 destroyers, 20 corvettes) .5 points
4 expert pilots 2 points

Total: 5.25 Points

Colonial Spending

Level II Social Services for the Belgian Congo (30 million) 6 points

Total: 26.25 points

Eh...forgot to log my bro out. Sorry >_<

Syrian Shipping Breakdown (15 units)

Dispersed: 3 (mainly Mediterranean nations)
Pakistan: 2
Egypt: 2
Germany: 2
Western Arabia: 1
China: 3
Oman: 1
Jordan: 1


Advancing to Tech Level 7.5 Benchmark:
Red Text implies underway:Blue Text Implies Achievement of Requirement:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years {7 as of 1953}
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Electronics industry

USEA trading Partners :
(36 points woth of shipping units)

Korea- 5
China- 5
FAS- 5
Japan- 5
The Phillipines- 5
Burma-5
Australia- 4
Dispersed- 3


Advancing to Tech Level 7.5 Benchmark:
Red Text implies underway:Blue Text Implies Achievement of Requirement:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Electronics industry

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years - YES!
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years - NO
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. - NO
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. - NO
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. - YES
6. Electronics industry - (1/5)

China's build for 1953...

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Income:

Domestic Income: 218 industry + 50 commerce + 3 oil + 20 tourism = 291 points total.

China is currently under Government Cuts Mode (5% natural growth).

Cuts Mode: 218 points + 50 commerce + 3 oil + 20 tourism = 291 points total.

Other Income: 6 points.
6 points from sale of 2 units of Dassault Mirage III’s to Egypt

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Expeditures:

National Expeditures:

28 points = military
5 points = Triad Intelligence Agency (China’s version of CIA)
141 points = Level III social services
6 points = Nuclear bomb production (12 bombs a year)

182 points = Total National Expeditures.

Unit Expeditures:

20 points for 4 Armored Corps
10 points for 2 Mechanized Flak Corps
20 points for 4 Infantry Corps

Domestic Expeditures:

3 points spent on Level 5 Bio-Chemical Weapons Research, Blood Agents. (Year 2 of 10… 6 / 30 points)

24 points spent on H-Bomb Research (Year 1 of 3… 24 / 96 points)
24 points spent on Boosted Nuclear Weapons (Year 1 of 1… 24 / 24 points)

5 points spent on Development of Electronic Industry (Year 1 of 5… 5 / 25 points)

Other Expeditures:

10 points to Colombia (30 / 80. Remaining debt: 50 points)

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Miscellanous:

6% growth. (5% from Government Cuts and 1% from SCT economic benefits)
35 factories from natural growth.

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Start of 1954 economy:

253 industry
50 commerce points (maximum of 40 merchant points and 10 airline points)
3 oil points
20 tourism income (maximum)

Total: 326 income points for 1954.

Omani and Western Arabian builds will be up tomorrow...something came up today and I fell behind schedule a little bit.

China's build for 1953...

<snip>


China's economy makes me cry inside...

I know Saudi Arabia has 12 oil points, but I was wondering how much of that goes to Germany? Back in the late 40s I invested quite a bit.

China's economy makes me cry inside...

It makes me want to shoot myself...

by the way.. based on historic oil production, Saudi Arabia should now have 12 oil points, Oman (and the territories it controls) 5, Persia 5, Kurdistan 4, and Basra 3

Brunei should have 2

Siberia now has 7 as well

US production will fall beginning 1960 (by 10%)

North Sea oil drilling becomes possible at tech level 7.5 and will provide Britian with 3, the Scandic Union with 6

a reminder for the economic mod

Kingdom of Morocco 1953
Population 11 million tech level 6.5
Production center: Casablanca 2, Tangiers 1, plus national airline, international airline, 1 colonial point Mauritania
Budget: 6 domestic +1 colonial + 4 commerce + 1 tourism = 12 points
Trading partners: Spain 1, US 1, Algeria 1, Africa 1
Level 3 social spending: 3.3 points
Army: 4 mountain brigades (well trained), 2 mechanized divisions (well trained) (equipped by US) 4 points
Air Force: 1 F101B fighter interceptor unit, 1 F84 fighter bomber unit, 1 C82 transport unit, 3 expert pilots, 2.5 points
Navy: 1 frigate unit, 1 coastal patrol unit .5 points
Social services assistance to Mauritania 1.7 points

Liberia (independent nation) 1953
Population: 800,000, tech level 5
Production center: Monrovia 2, 1 national airline
Budget: 3 points (reduced spending)
Level 4 social services: 1 point
Military: 1 coastal patrol unit .25 points, 1 light infantry division (well trained) .5 points, remaining budget spent on (1.25 points) spent on developing tourism

Philippines 1953
Population 22 million, tech level 6
Production centers: Manila 3, plus international and national airlines + 4 shipping units
Budget: 6 domestic + 8 commerce + 2 tourism = 16
Trading partners: US 2, Australia 1, East Asia 1
Level 3 social services: 6.6 points
Civil Defense: 2.2 points
PAF: 1 F101B fighter interceptor unit, 1 Neptune Maritime patrol unit, 1 C82 transport unit, 3 expert pilots (2.75 points)
Army: 1 well trained parachute brigade, 2 well trained marine light infantry brigades, 1 well trained light infantry division, 1 well trained flak unit (equipped with US SAMs), 3 reserve garrison units, (2.5 points)
Navy: 1 coastal patrol group, 1 escort group (corvettes), 1 amphibious group
(.75 points)
remaining 1.2 points are being spent on improving tourism

Canada 1953
Population 15 million tech level 7
Production centers: Toronto 5, Thunder Bay 4, Montreal 2, Winnepeg 2, Vancouver 1, Halifax 1, oil center at Winnipeg, national air line, international airline, plus 10 shipping units,
Budget: 15 domestic (cut spending level) + 1 oil + 20 commerce + 1.5 tourism = 37.5 points
Canada has reached its productivity limit
Trading partners: US 5, UK 5, Europe 5, East Asia 5
Level 4 Social Spending: 7 points
Civil Defense: 1.4 points
RCAF: 2 F101B all weather interceptors, 1 E121, 2 Hawker Hunter fighter bomber, 1 C130 transport unit, 1 Neptune maritime patrol unit, 1 KC97 tanker unit, 8 expert pilots, 7 points
Canadian Army: 2 elite airborne brigades, 1 elite mechanized division, 3 reserve mechanized divisions, 1 reserve HQ unit, 1 helicopter unit, 1 expert pilot, 6.25 points
RCN: 1 frigate unit, 2 escort groups (corvettes), 1 submarine unit (5 snorkel submarines) 1.25 points
21 points subtotal
1952 purchases:
2 points to US to assist with Space effort
5 points on electronics industry
3 points for KC135
4 points toward nuclear power industry startup (US provides research and full assistance)

Iceland (includes Greenland)
Population 150,000, tech level 6
No production, 3 resources (fishing)
level 5 social spending 1 point, excess spent on developing tourism
Iceland has no military, and depends on Canadian and US protection

Cuba 1953
Population 6 million tech level 5
Havana 3 production centers
Budget: 6 domestic + 1 tourism
Level 4 social spending: 2 points, Civil Defense 1 point, Navy of 1 coastal patrol unit .25 points, Army with 1 well trained parachute brigade .5 points, Air Force with 1 helicopter unit, 1 expert pilot 1 point, (4.75 points total)
Remainder (1.25 points) being spent on improving tourist infrastructure
Cuba has decided to dispense with a large military, and primarily the Army spends its time doing disaster relief, while the Navy is essentially just a coast guard.

Central American nations 1953 (El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Honduras)
Population: 7.2 million, tech level 5
1 production center each Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras,
Budget: 6 points domestic +1 point tourism
Level 4 social spending: 3.6 points
Civil Defense: .72 points
Coast Guard: 2 Coastal Patrol groups .5 points
Air Force: 1 helicopter unit, 1 C82 transport unit, 2 expert pilots 2 points
The Central American nations have gotten rid of their militaries, retaining only a coast guard and air units to assist during time of disaster (hurricanes and earthquakes)

Mexico
Population: 35 million tech level 6.5
Production centers: Vera Cruz 1, Monterrey 2, Mexico City 2, Yucatan 3, Tampico 2, 2 oil points, 1 national airline
Budget: 10 domestic (reduced spending) + 2 commercial + 2 oil + 2 tourism = 16 points
level 3 social spending 10.5 points,
Civil Defense: 3.5 points
4 garrison units (poor quality)(free),
Coast Guard: 2 coastal patrol units .5 points
Air Force: 1 C82 transport unit, 1 F101B all weather interceptor unit, 2 expert pilots


Virgin Islands
Population: 50,000 tech level 5
1 international airline
budget: 1 point tourism
level 5 social services: .5 points
remainder spent on 2 coastal patrol units (.5 points)

Haiti
Population: 3 million, tech level 4
1 production center
Budget: 2 domestic points
Level 4 social spending: 1.5 points plus .25 points for 1 coastal patrol unit, .25 points for 1 C47 unit with average pilot

Dominican Republic
Population: 500,000, tech level 4
1 production center
Budget: 1 domestic points (cut spending) + 1 tourism = 2 points
Level 4 social spending: .25 points, coast guard of 2 patrol units .5 points, 1 light infantry division (well trained) .5 points, Civil defense: .12 points, remainder spent on buying an international airline

Hey GB, what would my Oil Points be at now? Can I build Oil-Rigs in the Caribbean yet?

France
Economy: Market.

Production centers available:44 -limit reach-

Commerce:
1 national airline, 1 international airline, 21 shipping units

Population: 44 milllion People

Tourisim: 4 centres in the Riviera.


Industrial Centres:
Paris 6, Nantes 5, Lille 6, Marseilles 5, Toulouse 5, Rouen 6, Vichy 5, Lyon 6

Tech Level: 7

Income:
Production Centeres: 44*2 = 88 points

Commerce:Total= 37 points
Shipping= 31.5 points
Ocean Liner=1.5 points
National Airline= 2 points
International Airline= 2 points

Tourisim= 4 points

Investment Returns:
Yugoslavia= 1 point
Slovenia= 1 point
Albania & Kosovo= 1 point

Loan Repayment:
Portugal=1 point. <last year>
Northwest Africa=1 point.

Total= 134 Points

Expenditure:
Level 5 social services= 44 points
Military Maintenance= 15.75 points

3 Infantry Corps:
1st Infantry Corps -extra training to elite-
2nd Infantry Corps [-extra training to highly trained-
3rd Infantry Corps
4 Mechanised Flak groups -extra training to highly trained-
2 Armored Division AMX-30 -extra training to both highly trained-
1 Mechanised Artillary Group -extra training to highly trained-
1 HQ
2 Parachute Divisions -extra training to both highly trained-

Airforce:
2 Dassault Mystere IV Fighters.
2 Dassault Mirage III Fighters.
2 Handley Page Hastings Transports.
2 B57 Canberra medium light bombers
4 pilots -elite-

Navy:
3 Patrol/ Escort Groups <60 Corvettes>

Inteligance Budget= 5 points
ESA Research= 5 points
Shipping Construction=1.5/3

Forign Investment:
20 points for building National Airlines in Senegal, Mali and Guinea= 60 points
Aid to Belgian Congo Colonial Government= 2.75


Total=134

Conditions for tech 7.5:
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years -by 1955 I think
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years -Done
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations. -Does good old Gunther Rall count?
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. -Done
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. -Come visit the scenic Riviera
6. Electronic Spending -Starting Next Year

Hey GB, what would my Oil Points be at now? Can I build Oil-Rigs in the Caribbean yet?

Mexican, Venezulean and Aruba (Dutch West Indies) oil points should increase by +1 because of offshore drilling.

Parthini']I know Saudi Arabia has 12 oil points, but I was wondering how much of that goes to Germany? Back in the late 40s I invested quite a bit.

A reminder citing GB's reminder.

I'd assume none seeing as how your funding the rashidi's and it was you that puished the Egyptians and Syrians into invading Saudi Arabia.

Japanese Build 1953

Population: 87 million
Growth: 4%
Production Centers: 83
Shipping and Air: 40
Total: 123

Lvl. 4 Social Safety Net: 40

Maintenance:
4 C82's: 1
4 Elite Light Infantry: 3
2 Patrol/Escort Groups: .5
2 Elite Pilots: 1
2 Expert Pilots: .5
Intelligence Agency: 5

Points Left: 72

Build:
6 Garrison Units: 18
4 Parachute brigades: 8
3 Cruiser Ship Terminals: 12
3 Jet capable Terminals: 12
Electronics Industry: 5
Left: 22

Aid/Other

Money to Asian Space Program: 10
Aid to Phillipines: 5
Points to SCT for random use: 2

Conditions for level 7.5 met:
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.

For 1953:
Bulgaria would have a normal income with 3% Growth... Level 3 to maybe 4 spending on Societal Welfare... Consistant government distribution yet modernized and updated as before with the possible addition of some military equipment and improvement of transportation system.

ANB has been in business as an airline for more than 10 years at least and there is some tourism (not much, but just enough). The other five requirements to Advancing to tech level 7.5 may not be as easy, but hopefully we will get there by around the early 1960's.

Japanese Build 1953

Population: 87 million
Growth: 4%
Production Centers: 83
Shipping and Air: 40
Total: 123


Conditions for level 7.5 met:
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Has placed a man in orbit either by itself or in conjuction with 2 other nations.

A gentle remainder (Bold emphasis is mine)

Japan's max productivity would be 174 factories (or production centers) and 75% of that would be like 120 factories or something. You have 83 factories / production centers.

whoops-edited

A gentle remainder (Bold emphasis is mine)

Japan's max productivity would be 174 factories (or production centers) and 75% of that would be like 120 factories or something. You have 83 factories / production centers.

Japan needs to build 131 production centers (75% of 174 is 130.5) in order to reach the necessary production capacity, and then keep that up for five years. In other words, you're not there yet (42 production centers is about 24% of your maximum).

I think it is already doubled. I started the game late, so I may have missed something, but I thought that was right. If I'm wrong, tell me so I can fix it

Ah, I see. According to the old thread, Japan finished the Third Great War with 25 functional production centers. Repairing ten and building 48 new ones in just nine years does seem a little overboard.

42 production centers is much more reasonable (rounded up from 41.5), so we'll go with your production already being doubled. Disregard my previous post.

I'd assume none seeing as how your funding the rashidi's and it was you that puished the Egyptians and Syrians into invading Saudi Arabia.

No one but the CIA, Rashidis and KND, as well as probably MI6 knows this.

Looks like your Intel Agency needs to get crackin' :D

A reminder to those doing NPC budgets. If the nation is a member of the Arab League, they may wish to consider helping fund the AL space program. They need to donate to get the benefits. Syria didnt give any points in 1953, but gave V-2 and V-1 tech.

Edited (I swear this is the last time!) German Build 1953
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: National Effort 1% +1% EEC
Production: 98, 2 oil points, 1 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 2 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 4 Saarbrucken, 2 Stuttgart, 5 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 2 Konigsburg, 2 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Regular Spending: 294 Industry+2 oil+1 Nuke Power+8 airline+40 shipping+8 tourist=353 points

Maintainance (91.5):
32 Highly Trained Garrisons-16
37 Elite Pilots-18.5
8 Elite Mechanized Inf-8
4 Elite Armored-4
1 Special Forces Alpine-1
7 Elite Mech Flak-7
4 Elite Mech Artillery-4

3 HQ-3

2 Arado Ar 232-.5 points
6 Do 337-3
19 TA200-9.5 points
3 M107-3

3 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup-6 points

3 Attack Submarine-1.5

2 Transport Groups-.5

80 Coastal Patrol Boats (2 groups)-.5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25
20 Corvettes (1 group)-.25

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (40):
Level 4 for 80 Million-40 points

Civilian Builds (86.25):

Commuter Rail Uprgrade-6 points

Electronics Industry Research-5 points

Nuclear Power Plant-24 points

Commuter Airports-8 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-6 points

ECC Nuclear Research-6 points

2% Growth: 3 Industry Centers

Beer Company Subsidies-.25

6 points to Egypt
6 points to Syria
5 Shipping Units for Nigeria-15

20 to Operations in Arabia

Military Builds (133):

SECRET Nuclear Infrastructure-24 points (year 2 of 3)

2.5 Points for KND Discresionary Use

6 Armored Divisions-30
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisons-40
6 Special Forces Paratroopers-12
1 Mechanized Flak Division-5

4 Arado Ar 232-8

5 Elite Pilots-10 points (year 2 of 2)
2 Regular Pilots-4 points

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German Build 1954
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 101, 2 oil points, 2 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 3 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 3 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 3 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 2 Poznan

South Africa puts a man in space this year, putting me even closer to achieving world domination...I mean, tech level 7.5.

Woo-hoo.

South Africa puts a man in space this year, putting me even closer to achieving world domination...I mean, tech level 7.5.

Woo-hoo.


Doesn't the requirement for tech level 7.5 stipulate that the spaceflight must achieve orbit not sub orbit like the spaceplanes do.
Or am I being pedantic :p

Doesn't the requirement for tech level 7.5 stipulate that the spaceflight must achieve orbit not sub orbit like the spaceplanes do.
Or am I being pedantic :p

Bah! Don't bother me with your petty details.

Actually, I don't know. The requirements do say orbit, but Blaauw is an astronaut by USAF standards (and the FAI, which has different standards, has not been formed in this timeline to my knowledge)

What does everyone think? Should the requirement be to put someone in space, or orbit in particular?

Bah! Don't bother me with your petty details.

Actually, I don't know. The requirements do say orbit, but Blaauw is an astronaut by USAF standards (and the FAI, which has different standards, has not been formed in this timeline to my knowledge)

What does everyone think? Should the requirement be to put someone in space, or orbit in particular?

its orbit, but the US will be conducting orbital flights next year with Mercury missions, while the South African Astronaut will be in the Dynasoar missions, which will be orbital as well (by 1960)

Brazil's 1953 Build:

Population: 55 million
Tech Level: 7
Production:
Factories:
Sao Paulo 3, Rio de Janeiro 2, Salvador 1, Recife 1, Santos 1, = 8 Factories
Commerce:
Airlines: 1 international, 3 national, 1 large airport = 10 points
Shipping: 27 shipping units = 40 points
Tourism:
Air Terminals: 2 (Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Salvador) – 3 points
Cruise Terminals: 1 (Belem, Fortaleza) = 2 points

Foreign Aid:
Columbia – 20 points

3% Growth (due to regular spending)

4% Growth = 2½ Factories (Finish Factory in Belo Horizonte, last year ½), Salvador 1, Fortaleza 1

Total Production:
16 industry + 10 airline + 40 shipping + 5 tourism + 20 Foreign Aid = 91 points

Maintenance:
Army:
4 Highly Trained Garrisons - 2 points
2 Regular Pilots - Free
2 Highly Trained Infantry Division - 1
Air Force:
Navy:

Level III Social Spending – 16.5 points
Total Military – 3 points
Foreign Aid to Nigeria: 12 points

Total Military Maintenance, Foreign Aid, and Social Spending – 31.5 points

Points left for builds – 59.5 points

Builds:
Domestic:
Rural Electrification – 5.5 points (year 2 of 2)
Improved Transportation Infrastructure - 11 points (year 2 of 3)
1 Factory (Curitiba) –19 out of 24 points (+ 5 from last year) Finished
1 Factory (Fortaleza) –24 out of 24 points

I suggest editing the space-based condition for tech level advancement.

Some nations may not be interested in space exploration, nor do they wish to join multi-national space coalitions. I believe the condition should be split into a choice.

"Space Condition" should be divided into 2 choices...

1. Launch and do the space stuff (original condition)

OR

2. Research advanced metals like titanium (for those who don't want or can't afford space stuff)

Sounds fair?

Tenative Syrian build 1953 (Peacetime Market)
Income: 38.5 (Production [8], Airline [2], Shipping [22.5], Aid from Germany [6]) {with 6 factories idle}
Military Upkeep: 10.75 (reduced do to peacetime condidtions)
Level 5 Social services: 4
Variable Spending:
Electronics Industry (year 1/5): 5
finish shipping unit, plus another: 3.5
Trawlers (for SFIR, secret, listed as small amounts to various minor causes): 1
To Saudis: 1.25
Building Beirut Int'l Airport (tourism airport): 4
Operation Kharabaa: 5.75
To ALSA 4




Revised build due to German Aid. ALSA is currently on MRBM research

EDIT: I think that idea is good, but we need to set a place where orbit is required. Perhaps nations that have/are working on a certain missile tech in 1954 must do orbit, while those of us that are incredibly behind, like me (researching the first ballistic missile techs) could take the shorter route.

I suggest editing the space-based condition for tech level advancement.

Some nations may not be interested in space exploration, nor do they wish to join multi-national space coalitions. I believe the condition should be split into a choice.

"Space Condition" should be divided into 2 choices...

1. Launch and do the space stuff (original condition)

OR

2. Research advanced metals like titanium (for those who don't want or can't afford space stuff)

Sounds fair?

Nope, tech level 8 should be hard to attain, and so should have goals that are difficult and need lots of time and effort, space travel is a goal like that, personally I think it is a bit to easy already.

However, many TL 8 nations in RL, like France, Israel, Japan, South Korea, and England, all of which are major technological development centers, either have not sent men into space, or only did so recently, after reaching TL 8, mostly through the International Space program. The nuclear requirement I agree should have no alternative.

However, many TL 8 nations in RL, like France, Israel, Japan, South Korea, and England, all of which are major technological development centers, either have not sent men into space, or only did so recently, after reaching TL 8, mostly through the International Space program. The nuclear requirement I agree should have no alternative.

England, France and Japan all have working space agencies, and have had them for years. Israel and South Korea you would have to ask GB as I'm not sure if they are level 8 or not, from what I know I'd say no.

But IIRC they would have reached a TL 8 status before they put men in orbit, which is my point.

I think thats a little unfair (nations *HAVING* to go to space to advance tech's).

What if a nation does not want to engage in space tech or stuff whatsoever? That shouldn't hold nations back from researching or employing similiar technologies as nations with space programs do. For example, space age stuff like synthetic fibers, SCRAM-Jets, hypersonic vehicles, the Internet, personal computers, nylon fabric, velcro straps, microwave ovens, and other Tech level 8 technologies / applications could easily be researched and developed WITHOUT ever having a Space Program or sending men into Earth's orbit or beyond.

I suggest editing the space-based condition for tech level advancement.

Some nations may not be interested in space exploration, nor do they wish to join multi-national space coalitions. I believe the condition should be split into a choice.

"Space Condition" should be divided into 2 choices...

1. Launch and do the space stuff (original condition)

OR

2. Research advanced metals like titanium (for those who don't want or can't afford space stuff)

Sounds fair?


I will come up with something else... advanced metals is not what makes tech level 8 different from tech level 7 or 7.5... its information systems.

I personally find it utterly ridiculous that the whole world is going to become economically and technologically equal within the next few years.

From what I could tell, GB's first list made perfect sense.

China, as much progress as you have made, you still have huge amounts of poor, rural farmers. That fact will take decades more and a lot more social spending to fix. Not to mention the fact that you government has next to no control over all of the businesses. (By that I'm saying that your Cut Spending is allowing big business to take over. From that I can see China's version of Robber Barons emerging.)

Even Germany's recovery is a bit absurd. I've had to force a war-torn people to bend to the will of the Kaiser. It's a good thing the "experiment" called direct democracy failed :p

As fun as it would be to have a bunch of Tech Level 8 nations blowing each other up, I just don't see it being realistic and that's why E20 is the best Alternate History RP out there.

Parthini']I personally find it utterly ridiculous that the whole world is going to become economically and technologically equal within the next few years.

From what I could tell, GB's first list made perfect sense.

China, as much progress as you have made, you still have huge amounts of poor, rural farmers. That fact will take decades more and a lot more social spending to fix. Not to mention the fact that you government has next to no control over all of the businesses. (By that I'm saying that your Cut Spending is allowing big business to take over. From that I can see China's version of Robber Barons emerging.)

Even Germany's recovery is a bit absurd. I've had to force a war-torn people to bend to the will of the Kaiser. It's a good thing the "experiment" called direct democracy failed :p

As fun as it would be to have a bunch of Tech Level 8 nations blowing each other up, I just don't see it being realistic and that's why E20 is the best Alternate History RP out there.


I tend to agree with you Parthini, I liked the first list better myself

And it may be time for a depression soon.. we haven't had a really big economic downturn, and a lot of nations are near maximum or have passed it on productivity, and the newly industrialized nations also have extremely inexperienced banking and financial systems. I will do some research, but I think as its been a decade since the Third Great War ended, it might be time for an economic crash.

The most likely place for one to start would be in either Europe or Asia, as the British and American banking systems are tightly regulated. (and that occured even earlier in this RP then in real history).

Just a reminder on US economic and other aid 1953

3 production centers for Russia (72 points)
1 production center for El Salvador (24 points)
1 production center for Mexico (24 points)
Military assistance to Oman, Western Arabia and Jordan (24 points)
1 production center for Oman (24 points)
1 airline for Oman (5 points)
French Foreign Legion subsidy 2 points
Rural Electrification and Transportation improvements for Morocco (10 million people) 3 points (year 3of 3)
Rural Electrification and Transportation improvements for Liberia (1 million people), 1 point ( year 3of 3)
Rural electrification and transportation improvements for Mexico (32 million people), 9 points (year 3 of 3)
Rural electrification and transportation improvements for Central America, Iceland, Virgin Islands, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic, (20 million people) 6 points (year 3 of 3)
Rural Electrification and transportation improvements for Oman, Western Arabia, Kurdistan, Turkey, Central Asia, Jordan (32 million people) 10 points (year 3 of 3)
1 production center for Nigeria 24 points

Parthini']I personally find it utterly ridiculous that the whole world is going to become economically and technologically equal within the next few years.

From what I could tell, GB's first list made perfect sense.

China, as much progress as you have made, you still have huge amounts of poor, rural farmers. That fact will take decades more and a lot more social spending to fix. Not to mention the fact that you government has next to no control over all of the businesses. (By that I'm saying that your Cut Spending is allowing big business to take over. From that I can see China's version of Robber Barons emerging.)

Even Germany's recovery is a bit absurd. I've had to force a war-torn people to bend to the will of the Kaiser. It's a good thing the "experiment" called direct democracy failed :p

As fun as it would be to have a bunch of Tech Level 8 nations blowing each other up, I just don't see it being realistic and that's why E20 is the best Alternate History RP out there.

I personally don't have any issues with Tech Level 8 requirements being strict, but I'm playing the devil's advocate for those nations or players who aren't interested in space exploration or space programs.

I do have plans to address the poor rural farmer issues. Do you remember the ruckus I raised about mechanized farming methods? I also plan on setting up incentives for more urban-based economy and industry with the research of electronics and instituting two-tier social levels... Level 4 in the urban areas and Level 3 in the rural countryside.

As for the Great Depression, I do have plans to deal with it should it occur. I have several methods, mostly from watching the History Channel and a few common sense ideas.

Right now at this juncture, "Big Businesses" are a must for China as it is much needed to build infrastructure, transportation networks, commerce, etc. In addition, it is bringing in much needed money for China so that it will have substantial money reserves to build up and provide better services for all. I plan on going up to the next level of social services by 1955 or 1956 once I finish most n00k research costs (most of them should be done by then) and the debt re-payments, as well as rounding out my defense forces.

I have one major issue with a Great Depression at this point in time in E20, though. It *took* a war to recover from the RL Great Depression, namely Hitler and WW-II. I think if not for Hitler and WW-II, the Great Depression would probably have lasted 20 - 30 years or more.

I have one major issue with a Great Depression at this point in time in E20, though. It *took* a war to recover from the RL Great Depression, namely Hitler and WW-II. I think if not for Hitler and WW-II, the Great Depression would probably have lasted 20 - 30 years or more.

Speaking as an observer, the E20 world has basically been happy and productive, with the exception of major wars. I think a Great Depression would shake things up a little. If it lasts 20 years, it lasts 20 years. Or you have a World War, which would be amusing.

Speaking as an observer, the E20 world has basically been happy and productive, with the exception of major wars. I think a Great Depression would shake things up a little. If it lasts 20 years, it lasts 20 years. Or you have a World War, which would be amusing.

Thats the exact issue I have. A world war to try to recover from the Great Depression would see the use of mass n00ks (when nations have their backs up aganist the wall and have nothing left to lose) and such, resulting in global armageddon and thus the end of E20.

Suppose Germany and SU go to war to try to recover from the Great Depression, then start flinging n00ks at each other? Then the USA steps in with its n00ks and then China and UK and Colombia steps in, resulting in a chain reaction.

Again, like I stated in Chatzy, there is no RL precedent for a Great Depression recovering WITHOUT the RL WW-II and Hitler. If GB can find a way to address this, then I will have no complaint.

Thats the exact issue I have. A world war to try to recover from the Great Depression would see the use of mass n00ks (when nations have their backs up aganist the wall and have nothing left to lose) and such, resulting in global armageddon and thus the end of E20.

Suppose Germany and SU go to war to try to recover from the Great Depression, then start flinging n00ks at each other? Then the USA steps in with its n00ks and then China and UK and Colombia steps in, resulting in a chain reaction.

And I'll just be chilling down at the Cape, waiting for the great Powers to kill themselves off...then the world shall be mine!

Thats the exact issue I have. A world war to try to recover from the Great Depression would see the use of mass n00ks (when nations have their backs up aganist the wall and have nothing left to lose) and such, resulting in global armageddon and thus the end of E20.

Suppose Germany and SU go to war to try to recover from the Great Depression, then start flinging n00ks at each other? Then the USA steps in with its n00ks and then China and UK and Colombia steps in, resulting in a chain reaction.

Again, like I stated in Chatzy, there is no RL precedent for a Great Depression recovering WITHOUT the RL WW-II and Hitler. If GB can find a way to address this, then I will have no complaint.

Keeping the RP going even after a massive nuclear war is doable for a number of reasons that I typed up and was going to post when the forums flaked on me. I will explain again later when they are more reliable.

1953 LR controlled NPC builds:

Gambia

Pop: 290,000
Tech6
Income: 1 resource point (peanuts and fishing), 5 from Britain, .5 from world bank.
Spending: level 4 social .25 points; .25 point to maintain an infantry division. 2 shipping units |6 points)
Growth: 0

Togo

Pop: 1.3 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Lomé, 1 resource point (Cocoa), 5 from Britain,
Spending: 0.75 points for level 4 social services, 0.25 points to maintain an infantry division. 6 points for 2 shipping units, 1 point to build another infantry division.
Growth: 0

Ghana

Pop: 5.0 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Accra. 2 resource points (Gold, Timber and Cocoa), 5 from Britain
Spending: level 4 social services 2.5 points, .25 points to maintain infantry division, 2.5 points to finish a garrison, 1 shipping unit (3 points), .75 points to start another shipping unit (.75/3)
Growth: 0

Senegal

Pop: 2.8 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Dakar, 5 from Britain
Spending: 1.5 points for level 4 social services, 0.25 points to maintain an infantry division. 3 points for one shipping unit, 2.25 points to start another (2.25/3)

Sierra Leone
Pop: 1.9 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Freetown, 5 from Britain
Spending: Level 4 services 2 points, .25 points to maintain one infantry division. one shipping unit (3 points), start another (1.75/3)

NB: Gambia currently owes .75 points to the world bank, does the world bank request repayment soon or is it a permenent loan?

I think the depression is a good idea. As Middle Snu said, E20 is by and large a very happy place, probably our biggest breach of realism. Very few people have anything serious to complain about. Communism's gone, Israel isn't sending the middle east into turmoil, and South America and Africa are happy. We need some great international turmoil. Perhaps, if we get out of it peacefully, then at least some of the poorer parts of the world can become unhappy (and perhaps a few will decide Communism might have not been that bad after all)

I think the depression is a good idea. As Middle Snu said, E20 is by and large a very happy place, probably our biggest breach of realism. Very few people have anything serious to complain about. Communism's gone, Israel isn't sending the middle east into turmoil, and South America and Africa are happy. We need some great international turmoil. Perhaps, if we get out of it peacefully, then at least some of the poorer parts of the world can become unhappy (and perhaps a few will decide Communism might have not been that bad after all)

I'm not that comfy with a Great Depression, but for realism's sake, it might have to happen. You do have a point there.

Perhaps it could involve...oil? I know in RL the oil shocks of the 70's hit the world pretty badly. Perhaps an oil shock could distrupt some of the smaller nations' economies, and trigger the desired international financial crisis?

If not, it could be another commodity, or perhaps the classic "margin binge and overproduction binge" that touched off the RL Depression.

Either way, peaceful or warmed with nuclear fire, it'll be a farkin' wild time.

I think the depression is a good idea. As Middle Snu said, E20 is by and large a very happy place, probably our biggest breach of realism. Very few people have anything serious to complain about. Communism's gone, Israel isn't sending the middle east into turmoil, and South America and Africa are happy. We need some great international turmoil. Perhaps, if we get out of it peacefully, then at least some of the poorer parts of the world can become unhappy (and perhaps a few will decide Communism might have not been that bad after all)

I don't mind a Great Depression, but the nuclear war that it may set off *does* concern me.

I don't mind a Great Depression, but the nuclear war that it may set off *does* concern me.

Seconded, that's one of my biggest concerns too....I kinda want the SCT to live.

Federation of Asian States, 1954 Build, Tech Level 7
Spending Type: Market Economy National Effort, Growth: 2% (normally 1%, but extra 1% from SCT).

43 Commerce(28 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 87 from production centers (29 production centers: 5 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 2 Madras, 2 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 3 Lahore [2 in Lahore from growth]), + 20 from Tourism = 149 points

Population: 400 million people

Maintenance:
x4 Garrison 1
x1 Mechanized .5
x12 Pilots 0
x4 C47 1
x8 P2V Neptune 2
x1 Light Ship unit .25
x1 HQ Units 1
x25 Light Infantry 6.25
x17 Armored 8.5
x3 Infantry .75
x2 Parachute Divisions .5 points
x4 Improved MRBMs 4 points
x9 Mustard Gas "batches" 0
Total Spent: 25.75

Total Remaining: 123.25 points

Social Services:
Level 1 Social Services for everyone (40 points)

Total Spent: 65.75

Total Remaining: 83.25 points

Construction:
x1 Production Center (Agra) 24 points
x1 Production Center (Lahore) 24 points
x1 Production Center (Peshawar) 24 points
x2 Merchant Marine 6 points

Total Spent: 79.75

Total Remaining: 5.25

Research:

Total Spent:143.75

Total Remaining: 5.25

Aid to other nations:
SCT: 5.25

Total Spent: 149

Total Remaining: 0

Predicted 1955 Budget (Note: Taking into account continuation of National Effort):
45 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 105 from production centers (35 production centers: 6 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 2 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 4 Lahore, 1 Peshawar [3 in Dhaka from growth]), + 20 from Tourism = 170 points

Seconded, that's one of my biggest concerns too....I kinda want the SCT to live.

Are you kidding? I finally have a chance to make the world fear Asia! Our powers united, we can conquer all of Asia! Hell, maybe even all of Eurasia! BWAHHAHAHAHAAAA!

Of course, this is going by no one going crazy with the nukular bombs. A nice, conventional war is what I'm talking about. I think with 120 million dead from the last war, the world has learned that nukes be bad.

Of course, this is going by no one going crazy with the nukular bombs. A nice, conventional war is what I'm talking about. I think with 120 million dead from the last war, the world has learned that nukes be bad.

Quoting Alex Trebek from Celebrity Jeopardy: "He has a point." The world might be soured on the idea of NBC weapons actually being used, not just being kept as deterrents. Or not.

Quoting Alex Trebek from Celebrity Jeopardy: "He has a point." The world might be soured on the idea of NBC weapons actually being used, not just being kept as deterrents. Or not.

Eh. I think playing in a post-apocalyptic world would actually be pretty cool...

If it does end in war who are we going to war with?
Asia is a almost a single stable economic block with no infighting between the big boys.
Any one of the potential people thta we could go to war with don't have access to the nukes and are unlikely to be protected in that way by their nuke weilding allies unless we use them first.

So the way I see it Asia is pretty safe from nuclear attack unless some idiot Germans or Scandics give nukes to the Middle East........

If it does end in war who are we going to war with?
Asia is a almost a single stable economic block with no infighting between the big boys.
Any one of the potential people thta we could go to war with don't have access to the nukes and are unlikely to be protected in that way by their nuke weilding allies unless we use them first.

So the way I see it Asia is pretty safe from nuclear attack unless some idiot Germans or Scandics give nukes to the Middle East........

Or America tries to act like America and encroaches on our turf.

If anything, I can bet you it's going to be a war between Asia and the United States, since the U.S. has proved throughout history that it can't keep it's nose out of other peoples business. If we actually inflict a defeat on the U.S., we can knock them off their high-horse once and for all...

US Budget 1954 (in progress... to be finished tomorrow sometime)
Population 160 million tech level 7
Production centers 320 (maximum potential 320)
Shipping units 25
Oil 23
Colonial 5
Tourist income 15
Airlines 4 (international and national)

Trading Partners: Canada 4, Mexico 4, UK 3, Japan 4, Russia 4, Central America, Caribbean and Iceland 4, FNS 4, Africa 3, East Asia 3, Europe 4, South Asia 1, Australia 2

tech level 7.5 requirements met: Has level 3 services 10+ years, national airline, has built nuclear power plants, plus year 2 of 5 productivity maximum, year 2 of 5 electronics industry research, will have man in orbit in 1953. In other words, will reach tech level 7.5 as of 1958.

Income
640 domestic + 40 commerce + 23 oil + 5 colonial + 15 tourism = 683 points
1953 Growth 4% peacetime spending (which actually is exceeding productivity maximum, but not by a lot as population growth is 3%)

US Air Force
Strategic Air Command (20.5 points)
2 B52C units, 2 B52D units, 2 B47 units, 2 KC135 units, 4 KC 97 units, 1 U2 unit, 13 elite pilots
Tactical Air Command (24 points)
4 F101A fighter units, 8 F105 light bomber units, 2 B57 light bomber units, 2 KC97 tanker units, 16 elite pilots
Air Defense Command (9 points)
3 F101B fighter units, 2 F104 fighter units, 1 EC121 airborne warning aircraft unit, 6 elite pilots
Military Airlift Command (10 points)
1 C133 unit, 1 C124 unit, 2 C130 units, 2 C123 units, 6 C82 units, 12 elite pilots
Air National Guard / Air Force Reserve (32 points)
4 F100 fighter bomber wings, 5 F101B all weather jet fighter wings, 6 B57 Canberra jet light bomber wings 2 KC97 tanker units, 6 KC50 tanker units, 4 C82 theater airlift wings 25 elite pilots

US Navy
Naval and Marine Corps Aviation (36 points)
8 F8U fighter units, 8 A4 light bomber units, 1 A5 light bomber unit, 1 S1 AEW unit, 2 S2 ASW units, 5 helicopter units (sufficient to provide 15 carrier air wings and 4 carrier helicopter wings), 6 P2V Neptune Maritime patrol units, plus 25 elite carrier pilots, 6 elite pilots,
The Fleet (65.5 points)
10 heavy carrier battlegroups 5 fleet carrier (jet capable) battlegroups,
4 battleships (missile)
23 nuclear attack submarine
12 antiaircraft missile cruisers
12 escort cruisers
6 destroyer escort (frigate) squadrons (60 destroyer escorts and frigates)
8 attack submarine groups (40 snorkel boats)
4 assault carriers (converted Essex class) (carry USMC and USN helicopters)
4 amphibious assault groups
2 transport groups
2 Frigate flotillas (20 large USCG cutters).
4 Escort / Patrol Groups (80 small USCG cutters)

US Army
Army Aviation (5 points)
5 helicopter units, 5 elite pilots
Regular Army (18 points)
3 armored divisions, 3 mechanized divisions, 3 infantry divisions, 3 mountain brigades, 6 airborne brigades, 1 mechanized flak group, 1 mechanized artillery group, 3 armored brigades, 2 HQs (all well trained), 1 special forces group (battalion, handpicked), 1 ranger battalion (handpicked)

Army National Guard and Reserve (8 points)
2 HQs, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 8 infantry divisions, 8 mechanized artillery groups,

US Marine Corps (4 points)
4 marine light infantry brigades (well trained) 2 points (2 Camp Pendleton, 2 Camp Lejune) 2 marine mechanized infantry brigades (well trained) 2 points (1 each Pendleton and Lejune),
US Marine Corps Reserve (1 point)
2 marine light infantry brigades, 1 marine mechanized infantry brigade,

Level 4 social services (all US including colonial territories) 80 points
Civil Defense 20 points
Intelligence Agency maintenance 5 points
Nuclear energy program 6 points

Military and Civilian research
Large ICBM technology 12 points (year 2 of 2)
Spy satellite technology 6 points
Early warning satellite technology 6 points

Improved IRBM technology 12 points (year 1 of 1)
X –15C orbital flight technology (postponed for two years for further research)
Manned Space Flight (Mercury) (12 points, orbital missions planned)
Nuclear weapons research 12 points (ongoing improvements, US scales back testing to a half dozen tests a year spread between Pacific Proving Ground and Nevada Proving Ground. US also begins underground testing in Nevada instead of atmospheric to hide capabilities)

Military builds
1 Kitty Hawk class carrier battlegroup (year 2 of 3) 5 points (Franklin Roosevelt)
1 Kitty Hawk class carrier battlegroup (year 1 of 3) 5 points (Harry Truman)
4 helicopter units 12 points
2 pilot units 4 points
2 nuclear attack submarine 10 points (Triton, Halibut)
4 F4C Phantom II fighter bomber units (replace 4 F101A units) 12 points
4 KC135 tanker units (12 points)(replace 4 KC97 units)
3 C130 transport units (12 points) (replace 3 C82 units)
Nuclear heavy escort cruiser Long Beach (year 1 of 2) 8 points
100 Titan ICBMs (10 units) 10 points
10 fortifications (missile silos) 10 points (ooc see Third Great War thread for fortification costs) – missile silos constructed in Nevada and Arizona deserts (Nellis AFB and Davis Monathan AFB)
Chemical weapons production (very very covert) 6 points (sufficient for 1 batch of types 1 – 6 chemical warfare agents, placed in storage at Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona)
National Air Defense Warning System (CONUS) 16 points

Space Program
Manned Mercury Missions (10 points, 2 missions)
Satellite and unmanned probe missions (15 points, 3 missions to Moon)
Space Tracking System (5 points

Civilian Builds and Foreign Aid
Federal Highway project (Interstates) 30 points (year 2 of 3)
French Foreign Legion subsidy 2 points
electronics industry research (DARPA projects of various types)(year 2 of 5) 5 points
Communications satellite network 6 points

Foreign Aid
National Air Defense Warning System (Iceland) 1 point
National Air Defense Warning System (Philippines) 4 points
National Air Defense Warning System (Morocco and Algeria) 6 points
3 production centers for Mexico 72 points

additional 2 points each from South Africa, Canada, and Australia (if provided) will be used to provide communications satellite networks for those nations. (year 1 of 3)

OOC
Forgot to figure in US population growth (grows 30 million 1950 – 1960), not counting Puerto Rican and other possessions

So the way I see it Asia is pretty safe from nuclear attack unless some idiot Germans or Scandics give nukes to the Middle East........

Yeah, dirty Middle Easterners (The UR's African if anyone asks) ;)

Saudi Arabia-1953
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 4
Income (National Effort): Riyadh 1, 5 shipping, 12 oil points= 20 points(plus 16 points SU, 1.5 left over last year)
Spending: Level 4 social spending .75, 5 mech divisions, 1 garrison, 2 pilots, 1 MiG 19, 1 Saab Lansen-3.5

33.25 to spend:

8 points-Bonus pay to army/veterans
1 point-Rural Electrification and Transportation net(1/3)
24 points-Prod Center
.25-People of Ha’il and other areas touched by war


No one else was doing it so I took it.

E20 Economy and Spending Thread/Rules


IV. Tech Level Advancements [To Be Updated As Needed]

Tech Level 7
Nigeria will reach Tech Level 7 in 1962. Poor little fella.

Tech Level 7.5
Criteria:
Tech level 7.5 is the initial wave of the information age and the final surge of the industrial revolution. Both industry AND communications systems are important, as is consumer demand. Also, applied science is critical for this step, and the leading nations have been spending longer then the others. Just as importantly, tech level isn't just military, but also civilian economy, and sufficient incentives to advance AND a highly trained work force are key.

You must meet at least FOUR of these conditions before advancing:
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.


In addition, you need to spend 5 points a year for 5 years in order to develop a home-grown electronics industry; the earliest anyone will reach level 7.5 is 1958. In each economic build, please list what conditions you meet that year, and which year of the electronics industry buildup you're on.

Tech Level 8
In order to advance to level 8, you'll need to meet all five of the above criteria, and spend 5 points a year for 5 years developing microcomputers plus create an improved satellite communications network or be paying the cost of one.

This will put the leading nations at tech level 8 sometime in the late sixties or mid seventies.

Thanks to Galveston Bay for coming up with this system.

Suggested changes

Or America tries to act like America and encroaches on our turf.

If anything, I can bet you it's going to be a war between Asia and the United States, since the U.S. has proved throughout history that it can't keep it's nose out of other peoples business. If we actually inflict a defeat on the U.S., we can knock them off their high-horse once and for all...

Only if you force the issue Lightning Star, like an invasion of China, the Mideast, Australasia or any other country which doesn't choose to join in with your alliance. The US will use whatever means are required to ensure the Asia doesn't dominate the world. A nice healthy balance of power is what the US wants

Nigerian Build, 1954

Market Economy

Normal Spending (3% Growth)

Tech Level 6

Income
4 Points from International and National Airports
3.5 Points from Tourism
28.5 points from shipping (19 tech 7 shipping units)
6 Points from Industry
12 points in foriegn aid from Brazil

TOTAL: 36 points

Civil Spending
Production Center-24 points (24/24)
Level III Social Services-10 points

Military Spending
2xHighly Trained Infantry Divisions-2 points (1 Active, 1 Reserve)
Highly Trained Armoured Brigade-2 points (Active, British Challenger Tanks)
Coastal Patrol Group-3 points
Elite Pilot-4 points

Military Upkeep
Highly Trained Infantry Division-.5 points

Total Spending: 33.5 points

Waste: 2.5 points

Trade Partners (Shipping)

South Africa-5 units
Brazil-3 units
USA-3 units
England-3 units
Germany-5 units

Oil Trade
England-1 point
Germany-1 point
South Africa-2 points
Nigeria-1 point

Just an OOC note: Myself and my brother (Rodenka) are going out of town for Spring vacation. We're unsure if we'll be able to access a computer, so consider us on temporary hiatus for a week as of tomorrow.

Nigerian Build, 1954

Waste: 2.5 points

Just an OOC note: Myself and my brother (Rodenka) are going out of town for Spring vacation. We're unsure if we'll be able to access a computer, so consider us on temporary hiatus for a week as of tomorrow.

I strongly suggest you put that 2.5 points into an Electronics Industry, or into a new merchant shipping unit (2.5 points spent out of 3, which means you only need 0.5 point to finish it in 1954).

I strongly suggest you put that 2.5 points into an Electronics Industry, or into a new merchant shipping unit (2.5 points spent out of 3, which means you only need 0.5 point to finish it in 1954).

I'm only Tech 6, which means I get less points from it. ANd I can't get Electronics yet.

I'm only Tech 6, which means I get less points from it. ANd I can't get Electronics yet.

Build the shipping unit anyway- they automatically upgrade when you move up to Tech Level 7.

Changes have been made to the tech level advancement requirements. It's no longer necessary to send a man into orbit; check the front page for the new requirements.

South African Budget 1954
Population: 30,096,000
Income: 152
Production: 99 (33 production centers/60 maximum)
Commerce: 40 (27 shipping units)
Airline: 10
Tourism: 3 (civil strife)
Annual Growth: 2% (Market/National Effort=1%, +1% from Commonwealth)

Constant Costs
Military Upkeep-13.25 points
Intelligence Service-5 points
Social Services (Level III)-9 points
Continuing Research Grants-6 points

Government Projects
Alternative Fuel Options-24 points
Ecological Surveys--24 points
Assisting US Space Program-2 points
Building Electronics Industry-5 points (Year 2 of 5)
1x Production Center-24 points
1x Destroyer Squadron (for Nigeria)-5 points
1x Light Cruiser (for Nigeria)-7 points
Large ICBM research-24 points
Parachute Brigade-2 points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Outstanding Debt:
39 points owed by Nigeria-to be paid back in 1957

Surplus
1.75 points

Projected 1955 Income: 111 (34 production centers + 3 growth) + 40 commerce + 10 airline + 3 tourism = 164 total points

Completed Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years.
2. Has reached 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years.
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.


Oman and Western Arabia will be up later today.

1954

The United Egyptian, Sudanese, and Palestinian Republics
Population: 32 Million
Tech Level: 7
Production: 114
20 Egyptian Centers (40)
Egyptian National Airline (2)
Egyptian International Airline (2)
Egyptian Tourism (2)
Egyptian Shipping (21)
6 Sudanese Centers (12)
Sudanese National Airline (2)
Sudanese International Airline (2)
Sudanese Tourism (1)
Sudanese Shipping (9)
2 Palestinian Centers (4)
Palestinian National Airline (2)
Palestinian International Airline (2)
Palestinian Tourism (1)
Palestinian Shipping (6)
German Aid (6)

Maintenance: 26.25
5 Elite Trained Garrison Units (3.75)
4 Elite Trained Mountain Infantry Brigades (3)
4 Elite Trained Armored Divisions (4)
2 Elite Trained Armored Brigades (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Light Infantry Divisions (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Flak Brigades (1.5)
2 Elite Pilots (1)
2 Expert Pilots (.5)
2 Dassault Mirage III (2)
1 Elite Trained Mechanized Divisions (1)
1 Hawker Hunters (.5)
1 E-121 Warning Star (1)
Intelligence Agency (5)

Production: 51
Level 3 Social Services: 12
Nuclear Research: 24 (Year 1 of 3)
1 HQ: 10
Electronics Industry: 5 (Year 1 of 5)

Foreign Aid: 36.75
Ethiopia: 10.25
ALSA: 26.5

Budget: 114
Total Costs: 114

The Empire of Abyssinia (Ethiopia)
Population: 20 Million
Tech Level: 5
Production: 22.25
3 Production Centers (6)
Natural Resources (1)
National Airline (2)
International Airline (2)
Shipping (1)
United Republican Aid (10.25)

Maintenance: 2.5
8 Light Infantry Divisions: (2)
2 Infantry Corps: (.5)

Production: 20.25
Lv.1 Social Services: 2
Production Center: 18.25 (4/4 Finished)

Budget: 22.25
Total Costs: 22.25

USEA 1954 build

Population: 51 million
Tech level: 7
Government: Social Democracy
Economy: Captalist [Peace time {3% growth + 1% SCT Economic Bonus= 4%}]

Economic budget: 144 points (Production centers [90]: Hanoi 3, Saigon, 3, Vientene 3, Pnomh Penh 3, Bangkok 3, Haiphong 3, Da Nang 3, Cam Ranh 3, Si Racha 3, Can Tho 3, Kampong Cham 2, Sattahip 2, Pakxe 2, Leam Chabang 2, Vinh 2, Kracheh 2, Louangphrabang 2, Xam Nua 2, Surat Thani 2, Chiang Mai 2, Kampot 2. Commerce[40]: 1x National Airline 2, 2x Airport infrastructure 2, 24x Shipping Units 36 [12,000,000 million tons]. Tourism [4]: Saigon 2, Bangkok 1, Hanoi 1 .Natural Growth[10]: 5 )

Domestic:

Level 4 Social spending- 25 points

Asian Space Program- 8 points

National Air Defense Warning System- 5 points

Civil Defence- 5 points

1x Cruise ship Terminal (Bangkok)- .75 points [Completed from last year]

Nuclear power plant- 24 points

SCT Project Contribution: 2.5 points

Military:

Indochinese Inteligence Agency- 6 point

Nuclear weapons production program- 6 points

1x Helicopter transport (Ht-1)- 2 points

2x Nuclear Attack Submarines- 10 points

3x Elite pilot- 12 points

Upgrade flak group to mechanized Flak group- 4 points

2x Marine Light infantry Brigade- 4 points

2x Marine Mechanized Infantry Brigade- 4 points

Maintenance:
4 Light infantry divisions 3 points,*
1 parachute brigade 1 point, [Hand picked]
1 HQ unit 1.5 points,*
3 marine light infantry brigades 2.25 points,*
2 marine mechanized infantry divisions 2 points,*
2 flak groups 1 point,*
2 mechanized infantry division 2 points.*
-
1 Dassault Mirage III fighter unit 1 point,
1 C47 transport unit .25 points,
1 A4 Skyhawk light bomber unit .5 points,
8 Ht-1 Jin Helicopter transport units 2 points
8 Elite pilots 4 points,
-
1 light ship unit (10 destroyers) .25 points,
2 light ship units (40 corvettes) .5 points,
2 Heavy fleet carrier battle groups 2 points,
1 Light missile cruiser .5 points,
2 Light missile cruisers 1 point, {under construction}
1 Heavy Missile cruiser .5 points,
2 Coastal Patrol Groups .5 points,
2 Amphibious Assault Group 1 point

TOTAL= 25.75
(*Denotes elite training)

Conditions for tech level 7.5 advance:
Red indiactes in progress, Blue indicates completed

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Has spent 5 points for 5 years on building an electonics industry (Will start next year)

Korea and Vladivostok Protected City- 1954 builds:

Population 33 million
Tech level 7 (all shipping now 1.5pts)
Constitutional Monarchy
Market Economy, Peacetime 3%(SCT Growth Bonus adds +1%, so 4%)

30 points Production centers: Seoul 3 Pusan 3 Pyongyang 3 Vladivostok 3 Kwangju 3

18 shipping units= 27 Points

1 national airline, 1 International Airline (Korean Airlines)= 4 points

and 3 points of tourism (Seoul, Pyongyang, Vladivostok International Airports)

SCT member= 1% Growth Bonus

67 total points to spend (rounded, factoring growth in)

Level 4 social spending- 12 points

Foreign Aid- 10 points to a Pan-SCT Asian Space Program (OOC: Any of the SCT guys need to work on rocket research, stuff like that, this goes to that)

Five points allocated to keep the Korean National Police Agency going

Korean Armed Forces

Korean Army:

2 infantry division .5 points
2 mountain infantry brigades .5 points
2 HQ units- 2pt
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)
1 Armored Division- .5 matenance
1 Mech Infantry Division-.5 points
1 Infantry Corps- .5 points
1 Transport Group-.25 points

Korean Air Force:

2 Dassault Mirage III Fighters-2
6 expert pilots 1.50 points
1 IL-28/H-5 Light Bomber Unit- .5 matenance
1 Transport Helo unit (Ht-1 Jin) -.25
1 Lincoln Tanker-.5
1 Flying Boxcar-.25
4 Sejong IRBM Missiles-4 points

Korean Navy:

1 Light Cruiser, .5 matenance
1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance
2 Attack Submarine Groups- 1 point matenance
2 Units of Coastal patrol vessels- .5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25

Total: 17 Points (Estimated)

To Be Disbanded (or Gifted to somebody Else: Anybody want these just say so!)

Nothing yet!

Things to buy-

5 Points- Subsidies to encourage development of an electronics industry
6 points for TU95 Bear Bombers to be modified for Korean National Police Agency photorecon duty (since the Avro deal fell through).
10 points towards a production center (extra points to be devoted next term to finish)
2 points for Sejong II ICBMs (for space program, modeled on RL Soviet R-7)


OOC: I read one of those historical population graphs...I was stumped...

Requirements-Tech 7.5:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (Got that by next year)
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (45% productivity, need to get crackin'!)
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one. (Not sure)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (Possibly, SICly in conjunction with the SCT, but not sure)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (Oh yeah.)
6. Has spent 5 points for 5 years on building an electonics industry (First Year Completed, just four more)

Trade Partners for 1954-

4 USEA
4 China
3 Japan
2 FAS
1 Australia
1 Dispersed

Added Sejong II ICBMs....

Preliminary Russian National Builds – 1954 Reduced Spending Enacted
78 Factories + 38 Commerce (20 Shipping Units + 4
Airlines) + 3 Oil + 4 Tourism = 123

Military Upkeep:
6 Infantry Corps (3 Points)
2 Elite Mountain Divisions (6 Brigades) (5 Points)
4 Yak 25 w/ Expert Pilots (6 Points)
2 Yak 28 w/ Expert Pilots (3 Points)
2 Air Transports w/ Average Pilots (.5 Points)
4 Elite Mechanized Infantry Divisions (5 Points)
5 Elite Armored Brigades (3.75 Points)
Total: 26.25 Points

Civilian Builds/Research:
Level 3 Social Services: 28 points
Intelligence Network: 5 Points
Improve Electronics Industry: 5 Points (Year 2/5)
Nuclear Infrastructure: 24 Points (Year 1/3)
Improved MRBM Missile Technology: 12 Points
National Air Defense Radar Network: 10 Points
Civil Defense Network: 10 Points

Foreign Aid:
Republic of Armenia and Georgia: 4.75 Points

Spent: 123 Points
Waste: 0 Points


Preliminary Russian National Builds – 1955 Reduced Spending Enacted
82 Factories + 38 Commerce (20 Shipping Units + 4
Airlines) + 3 Oil + 4 Tourism = 127

German Build 1954
Population: 80 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 101, 2 oil points, 2 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
4 Dortmund, 4 Essen, 4 Dusseldorf, 4 Koln, 4 Bonn, 3 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 4 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 3 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 3 Mannheim, 4 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 2 Karlsruhe, 3 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 2 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 3 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Regular Spending: 202 Industry+2 oil+2 Nuke Power+10 airline+40 shipping+8 tourist=264 points

Mai€ntainance (114):
32 Highly Trained Garrisons-16
40 Elite Pilots-20
5 Regular Pilots-Free
18 Elite Mechanized Inf-13.5
10 Elite Armored-10
1 Special Forces Alpine-1
6 Special Forces Paratrooper-6
8 Elite Mech Flak-8
4 Elite Mech Artillery-4

3 HQ-3

6 Arado Ar 232-3 points
6 Do 337-3
19 TA200-9.5 points
3 M107-3

3 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup-6 points

3 Attack Submarine-1.5

2 Transport Groups-.5

80 Coastal Patrol Boats (2 groups)-.5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25
20 Corvettes (1 group)-.25

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (40):
Level 4 for 80 Million-40 points

Civilian Builds (53):

Electronics Industry Research-5 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-20 points

ECC Nuclear Research-6 points

4% Growth: 11 Industry Centers

6 points to Egypt
6 points to Syria

6 points to Arabia

Military Builds (57):

SECRET Nuclear Infrastructure-24 points (year 3 of 3)

Buy 11 BAC Lightning-33 points

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German Build 1955
Population: 85 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 112, 2 oil points, 2 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
5 Dortmund, 5 Essen, 5 Dusseldorf, 5 Koln, 5 Bonn, 4 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 5 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 4 Mannheim, 5 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 3 Karlsruhe, 3 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 3 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 3 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 2 Poznan

France
Economy: Market.

Production centers available:44 -limit reach-

Commerce:
1 national airline, 1 international airline, 21 shipping units

Population: 44 milllion People

Tourisim: 4 centres in the Riviera.


Industrial Centres:
Paris 6, Nantes 5, Lille 6, Marseilles 5, Toulouse 5, Rouen 6, Vichy 5, Lyon 6

Tech Level: 7

Income:
Production Centeres: 44*2 = 88 points

Commerce:Total= 37 points
Shipping= 31.5 points
Ocean Liner=1.5 points
National Airline= 2 points
International Airline= 2 points

Tourisim= 4 points

Investment Returns:
Ends 1982:
Yugoslavia= 1 point
Slovenia= 1 point
Albania & Kosovo= 1 point


Total= 130 Points

Expenditure:
Mix of Level 5 (major cities) and Level 4 social services= 27.2 points
Military Maintenance= 15.75 points
Inteligance Budget= 5 points
ESA Research= 10 points
Shipping Construction=1.5 (1.5/3)
Investment in Electronics Industry= 5 (Year 1/5)

Forign Investment:
20 points for building National Airlines in Senegal, Mali and Guinea= 60 points
African Infrastructure: 2 points <Final year>
African Electrification: 3 (year one)

Egypt:You can only spend a total of 24 points/year on missile reseach, even if a in a combined program. You have to take 2.5 points back, although thanks to your research, we are able to finish MRMBs and start the improved version.

Syrian 1954 budget
Income: 42
Maintenance: 12 (upgrading all pilots to elite [3 units] and elite-ing armored divison)
Services-Level 5: 4

Free Spending (26)
Electronics Industry (year 2/5): 5
2 Shipping Units: 6
Operation Kharaaba: 15

Completed Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years. (1956)
2. Has reached 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years.
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one. (in progress)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (in progress)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.

OOC: So, I guess after looking at France's build, you can divide up who gets what social services? Cuz, I'm thinking about starting doing Level 4 for Vets and level 3 for civvies. Would I just calculate the number of Vets per million and then do it for them?

ooc. Who's giving aid to the UIR? I remember Scandic Union and France...

Egypt:You can only spend a total of 24 points/year on missile reseach, even if a in a combined program. You have to take 2.5 points back, although thanks to your research, we are able to finish MRMBs and start the improved version.

Can you just keep them for next year (what could I spend 2.5 points on?) Maybe we should open a little banking system for the ALSA so everyone can just pour as much points in as they want and they can be used as needed. If we have leftovers, we could spend the points on... you know... other stuff (*cough*WMDs*cough*) ;)

Scandic Union
Build 1954
Population-21 million
49 prod centers-
Kiel 5, Copenhagen 5, Stockholm 5, Gothenburg 5, Karlskrona 5, Norrkoping 5, Oslo 5, Petrograd 5, Helsinki 3, Tallin 3, Murmansk 3
30 shipping units
4 airlines
1 Nuclear power plant-Northern Finland
84 points Prod centers(Normal spending), 40 points commerce, 2 points tourism-126 points


36.5 points-maintainence
6 points-lv 3 social
6 points-Nuke program(3/5)
5 points-intel agency
4 points-Lv 4 Chemical warfare(2/5)
5 points-electronic industry(2/5)
3 points-3 improved IRBM’s
3 points-3 missile silo’s
12 points- research for Mercury type missions
2 points- Two sub-orbital rocket missions
24 points-solid fuel missiles(24 points left)
8 points- Saudi Arabia
6 points-UIR
5.5 points-Turkey





Turkey
Population: 12 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Ankara 2, Smyrnia 2, Izmir 2, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 12 shipping units=28 points+5.5 points SU aid
Spending: Level 3 social services 3.25 points,
2 TA183D fighter units, 2 expert pilots, 2 TA152 fighter bomber units, 2 expert pilots, coast guard with 20 corvettes, 8 light infantry divisions (well trained) 4 militia units 8.5 points.
Purchase:
Prod center-4.5 points(Done)
5 shipping-15 points
1 shipping-1.75(1.25 left)

Central Asian Republic
Population: 8 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Tashkent 4, Alma Ata 3, 1 national airline, 2 international airline=20 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 3 points, 4 infantry corps, 3 pilots, 2 IL10, 1 garrison unit, 1 Saab Lansen 3 points, Intelligence service 5

Buy:
Airport(Tashkent)-2.25
International airline-6 points

Azerbaijan
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 6
Income: 4 oil points, plus 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 1 shipping=9 points
Spending: level 5 social spending 1 point, 1 MiG 19, 1 pilot, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps (well trained) 6 points.
Build:
Airline-2(2 left)


Kashgaria
Population: 5 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Urumchi 1 , Kashgar 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline=7 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 2 points, 4 garrison units 1 point.

Buy:
4 points-prod center(16 points left)


Ukrainian Budget 1954
Population: 37 million
Tech level: 7
Income (Normal): (30 prod centers)Stalino 6, Dneipopetrovsk 6, Kiev 6, Odessa 5, Kharkov 5, Sevastpool 2, 18 shipping units, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 1 air terminal(Kiev)=84
Level 3 social spending: 11 points
Military Maintenance: 10 points (4 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 3 armored divisions, 4 MiG 21, 2 Saab Lansen 4 expert pilot, 10 destroyers, 40 corvettes).
Spending: 63 points to spend

3.5-airline(done)
10 points-HQ
10 points-2 mech flak divisions
10 points-2 armored divisions
30 points-10 shipping

Growth for next year-2.1

Polish Budget 1953
Population: 45 million
Tech Level 7
Production centers: (43 prod centers)Warsaw 6, Lodz 6, Krakow 6, Katowice 6, Brest-Litovsk 5, Lvov 5, Riga 5, Lublin 4,
11 shipping points, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 2 air terminals(Warsaw, Lodz)=105 points
Level III social services: 13.5 points.
Military Maintenance: 15.5 points (2 armored corps, 8 infantry corps, 8 flak units, 4 Mig 21, 3 Saab Lansen 3 C47 transport units, 2 Tu16, 12 pilots).

Spending: 76 point to spend

1.75-KC135(done)
10 points-HQ
57 points-19 shipping
2 points- pilot
4 points-air terminal

Can you just keep them for next year (what could I spend 2.5 points on?) Maybe we should open a little banking system for the ALSA so everyone can just pour as much points in as they want and they can be used as needed. If we have leftovers, we could spend the points on... you know... other stuff (*cough*WMDs*cough*) ;)

Mods: Is it acceptable to save points if for an In'tl organization?

I suppose if it isnt we could make Operation Kharaaba an Arab League project.

Allocated NPC builds:

Basra 1954 build
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 4
Economy: (Normal spending) [3% growth]
Economic Budget [11]: (Oil [2]: 2x oil resource 2. Commerce [9]: 7x shipping 7, 1x national airline 2.

Domestic Spending:

Level 3 social spending 1 point,
3/5 national airline 2.5 points, [60% Complete]
2x Shipping unit 6 points


Military Spending:

Maintenace:
1 garrison unit .5 points, [Highly Trained]
2 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry) 1 point [Highly Trained]

Total= 1.5 points.



Baghdad 1954 build
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 5
Economy: (Normal Spending) [3% growth]
Economic Budget [7]: (Production Centres [4]: Baghdad 2. Oil [1]: 1 oil resource. Commerce [2]: 1x national airline 2

Domestic Spending:
Level 3 social spending 1 point,

5/5 national airline 2 points (100% complete)

Infrastructe improvements 2 points (30% complete)

Military Spending:

Maintenance:
1 garrison unit. 25 points,
4 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry) 1 point,
1 artillery unit .25 points
1 Mechanized infantry division .5 points

Total= 2 points



Netherlands 1954 build
Population: 10 million
Tech level: 7
Economy: (Cut Spending) [5% Growth + 1 % EEC bonus= 6%]
Economic Budget [25.5]: (Production Centres [10]:Rotterdam 4, Amsterdam 4, Arnheim 2. Commerce [9.5] 1 national airline 2, 5 shipping units 7.5. Other [3]: 3 colonial points. Tourism [1]: Carribean colony 1. Growth [2]: 1x point of growth 2

Domestic Spending:
level 4 social spending 4 points,
24/24 factory 2 points, [100% complete]
3x Shipping units- 9 points
4 to UN World Bank


Military Spending:

Maintenance:
2 reserve garrison units .5 points,
2 mechanized divisions 1 point,
2 coastal patrol groups .5 points,
2 light ship units (5 destroyers each) .5 points
2 escort cruisers 1 point,
1 F100 fighter wing .5 points,
1 F86D all weather fighter wing .5 points,
2 elite pilots 2 points,

Total= 6.5

Brazil's 1954 Build:

Population: 60 million
Tech Level: 7
Production:
Factories:
Sao Paulo 3, Rio de Janeiro 2, Salvador 2, Belo Horizonte 1, Fortaleza 2, Curitiba 1, Recife 1, Santos 1 = 13 Factories
Commerce:
Airlines: 1 international, 3 national, 1 large airport = 10 points
Shipping: 27 shipping units = 40 points
Tourism:
Air Terminals: 3 (Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Salvador) = 3 points
Cruise Terminals: 2 (Belem, Fortaleza) = 2 point

5% Growth (due to cut spending)
10% Growth (due to rural electrification)
1% Growth (due to Pan American Treaty)

16% Growth = 13 new factories – 3 Sao Paulo, 3 Rio de Janeiro, 2 Salvador, 2 Belo Horizonte, 1 Fortaleza, 1 Curitiba, 1 Manaus

Total Production:
26 industry + 10 airline + 40 shipping + 5 tourism = 40.5 points (due to cut spending)

Maintenance:
Army:
4 Highly Trained Garrisons - 2 points
2 Regular Pilots - Free
2 Highly Trained Infantry Division - 1 point
Air Force:
Navy:

Level III Social Spending – 18 points
Total Military – 3 points
Foreign Aid to Nigeria: 12 points

Total Military Maintenance, Foreign Aid, and Social Spending – 33 points

Points left for builds – 7.5 points

Builds:

Domestic:
Improved Transportation Infrastructure 11 points -(year 2 of 3) – postponing till next year
1 Cruise Terminal (Santos) – 4 points
Costal Patrol Group – 3 points
Environmental Restoration Effort - .5 points

Brazil's 1954 Build:

Population: 60 million
Tech Level: 7
Production:
Factories:
Sao Paulo 3, Rio de Janeiro 2, Salvador 2, Belo Horizonte 1, Fortaleza 2, Curitiba 1, Recife 1, Santos 1 = 13 Factories
Commerce:
Airlines: 1 international, 3 national, 1 large airport = 10 points
Shipping: 27 shipping units = 40 points
Tourism:
Air Terminals: 3 (Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Salvador) = 3 points
Cruise Terminals: 2 (Belem, Fortaleza) = 2 point

5% Growth (due to cut spending)
10% Growth (due to rural electrification)
1% Growth (due to Pan American Treaty)

16% Growth = 13 new factories – 3 Sao Paulo, 3 Rio de Janeiro, 2 Salvador, 2 Belo Horizonte, 1 Fortaleza, 1 Curitiba, 1 Manaus

Total Production:
26 industry + 10 airline + 40 shipping + 5 tourism = 40.5 points (due to cut spending)

Maintenance:
Army:
4 Highly Trained Garrisons - 2 points
2 Regular Pilots - Free
2 Highly Trained Infantry Division - 1 point
Air Force:
Navy:

Level III Social Spending – 18 points
Total Military – 3 points
Foreign Aid to Nigeria: 12 points

Total Military Maintenance, Foreign Aid, and Social Spending – 33 points

Points left for builds – 7.5 points

Builds:

Domestic:
Improved Transportation Infrastructure 11 points -(year 2 of 3) – postponing till next year
1 Cruise Terminal (Santos) – 4 points
Costal Patrol Group – 3 points
Environmental Restoration Effort - .5 points

16% growth? Holy mother of Jesus!

NOTE TO ALL ARAB LEAGUE NPC BUILD MAKERS: (incl. Basra, Baghdad, and just about everyone but Kurdistan and the UIR)

The Arab League needs 2.5 points to finish year 1 of nuclear fission research. If there is any way possible to scrape those together, the nation(s) contributing would receive either that year of the research or V-2 tech. (saving 21.5 points either way) Just pointing this out because it will help save time for both them and the AL as a whole.

16% growth? Holy mother of Jesus!

sometimes things just work out well

sometimes things just work out well

Holy poop! I got electrified sometime in the 20's.....this means I've been missing out...

Egypt:You can only spend a total of 24 points/year on missile reseach, even if a in a combined program. You have to take 2.5 points back, although thanks to your research, we are able to finish MRMBs and start the improved version.

Syrian 1954 budget-NATIONAL EFFORT
Income: 46
Maintenance: 12 (upgrading all pilots to elite [3 units] and elite-ing armored divison)
Services-Level 5: 4

Free Spending (26)
Electronics Industry (year 2/5): 5
2 Shipping Units: 6
Operation Kharaaba: 19

Completed Conditions for Tech Level 7.5 Advancement
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years. (1956)
2. Has reached 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years.
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one. (in progress)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (in progress)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.

This enables Arab League Atomic Energy Program to finish Fission year 1, and begin year 2, which is acceptable since we spent 3 years to do the first. The Arab League Space Agency also finished finished MRBMs and started the improved version, again due to carryovers, so 1954 will be quite a productive year.

China's build for 1954...

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Income:

Domestic Income: 253 industry + 50 commerce + 3 oil + 20 tourism = 326 points total.

China is currently under Government Cuts Mode (5% natural growth).

Cuts Mode: 253 points + 50 commerce + 3 oil + 20 tourism = 326 points total.

Other Income: 0 points.

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Expeditures:

National Expeditures:

33 points = military
5 points = Triad Intelligence Agency (China’s version of CIA)
145 points = Level III social services
6 points = Nuclear bomb production (12 bombs a year – stockpile of 24 nukes)

191 points = Total National Expeditures.

Unit Expeditures:

10 points for 2 Infantry Corps
25 points for 5 Mechanized Flak Corps
20 points to upgrade 10 Artillery Corps to 10 Mech Artillery Corps
10 points for 1 HQ Unit

Domestic Expeditures:

3 points spent on Level 5 Bio-Chemical Weapons Research, Blood Agents. (Year 3 of 10… 9 / 30 points)

48 points spent on H-Bomb Research (Year 2 of 3… 72 / 96 points)

5 points spent on Electronics Industry (Year 2 of 5... 10 / 25 points)

Other Expeditures:

10 points to Colombia (40 / 80. Remaining debt: 40 points)

5 points of aid to Asian Space Program.

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Miscellanous:

6% growth. (5% from Government Cuts and 1% from SCT economic benefits)
39 factories from natural growth.

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Start of 1955 economy:

292 industry
50 commerce points (maximum of 40 merchant points and 10 airline points)
3 oil points
20 tourism income (maximum)

Total: 365 income points for 1955.

This enables Arab League Atomic Energy Program to finish Fission year 1, and begin year 2, which is acceptable since we spent 3 years to do the first. The Arab League Space Agency also finished finished MRBMs and started the improved version, again due to carryovers, so 1954 will be quite a productive year.

Wait, there's an AL Atomic Energy Program? I've got 24 points for you if there is (why research my own tech when I can share it with my fundamentalist neighbors?). If there is, you might want to finish up the coup quick because the Saudi's are getting all this tech as well. :(

a) Operation Kharaaba, my research program, was transferred to the AL when I saw how insanely expensive it is. There are 2 parallel trees, fission and fuel separation. Since, Ive now finished Fission 1, if you work on fuel separation, and we give any excess (your 2.5 from ALSA) to each other, we can probably get it done quickly.

b)to prevent it from being us freely arming the whole Arab League, my idea was, if you contribute, you get 1 tech. Contributing to Imp. IRBMs would give you V-1, contributing to fission 2 gets you fission 1, etc. If you give another 24 points to this, then we can effectively have 2 of the 7 techs required done as of dec. 1954.

1954

The United Egyptian, Sudanese, and Palestinian Republics
Population: 32 Million
Tech Level: 7
Production: 114
20 Egyptian Centers (40)
Egyptian National Airline (2)
Egyptian International Airline (2)
Egyptian Tourism (2)
Egyptian Shipping (21)
6 Sudanese Centers (12)
Sudanese National Airline (2)
Sudanese International Airline (2)
Sudanese Tourism (1)
Sudanese Shipping (9)
2 Palestinian Centers (4)
Palestinian National Airline (2)
Palestinian International Airline (2)
Palestinian Tourism (1)
Palestinian Shipping (6)
German Aid (6)

Maintenance: 26.25
5 Elite Trained Garrison Units (3.75)
4 Elite Trained Mountain Infantry Brigades (3)
4 Elite Trained Armored Divisions (4)
2 Elite Trained Armored Brigades (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Light Infantry Divisions (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Flak Brigades (1.5)
2 Elite Pilots (1)
2 Expert Pilots (.5)
2 Dassault Mirage III (2)
1 Elite Trained Mechanized Divisions (1)
1 Hawker Hunters (.5)
1 E-121 Warning Star (1)
Intelligence Agency (5)

Production: 27
Level 3 Social Services: 12
1 HQ: 10
Electronics Industry: 5 (Year 1 of 5)

Foreign Aid: 60.75
Ethiopia: 10.25
AL: 50.5

Budget: 114
Total Costs: 114

24 points of nuke research diverted to the league. That's 50.5 (half my budget) going to the league this year. That should pay for all the league's research in nukes and rockets this year plus some leftovers for next year.

sometimes things just work out well

Oh yeah, rural electrification. I had 13% growth that year.

Of course, I lost some of that growth with the civil war...

Meh.

1954 - FNS

46 Million Population

146 base + 100 points from International Trade = 246

2 Nuclear Power Plants (Buenos Aires, Lima)

Level 5 Education and Safety Net: 44p
Upkeep: 65.5p


6 x Mechanized Divisions = 6p (Elite Training)
2 x Armoured Divisions = 4p (Elite Training) (Heavy Tank)
10 x Mountain Brigades = 5p (Elite Training)
1 x HQ Unit = 1p
8 x Jet Fighters (M-108) = 8
1 x Intercontinental Jet Bomber (Tu-95) = 2p
1 x E121 Aircraft = .5
2 x Flak Artillery = .5p
2 x Missile Cruiser = 1p (Manuel Ancizar and Alberto Lleras Camargo)
6 x Light Ships (30 Destroyers) = 1.5p
5 x Light Ships (50 Frigates) = 1.25p
1 x Patrol Group = .25p
2 x Missile Boat Groups = .5p
10 x Nuclear Submarines
11 x Pilots Upgrade = 7p (Elite Training)
1 x Average Pilot = Free!!!! Used in E121
1 x Intelligence Agency = 5p
100 x IRBM = 1p
400 x AS-15 KENT missiles = 4p
+ 6 for constant nuclear fueling
+ a futher 6 for nuclear improvement

135 + 10 from China for Discretionary Spending (145pts)

Free Milk for everyone - 22pts
Year 3/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
Year 3/3 Heavy Missile Cruiser - 3pts
12 points for Solid Fuel
12 Points to Space Program
4.5 points reperations for Native Indians in the FNS
12 points for Electronics Industry (2/5)
24 points for third Nuclear Power Plant in Cali
52.5 to be set aside for aircraft purchase of Me-121

ooc. Who's giving aid to the UIR? I remember Scandic Union and France...

France gave a humanitarian & Economic aid package of 24 points back in '52.

British Builds 1951
(Important bits are italicised). Standard market economy, 3% growth (plus 1% for EEC/Commonwealth)

Production Centres:

UK: 104 as follows: 16 London, 14 Birmingham, 10 Coventry, 8 Manchester, 6 Hull, 6 Liverpool, 6 Glasgow, 6 Newcastle, 6 Sheffield, 6 Edinburgh, 6 Bristol, 6 Leeds, 3 Derby, 3 Nottingham,

Colonial: 18 as follows: 4 Kenya, 4 Tanzania, 4 Carribean, 2 Cyprus, 2 Ceylon,

TOTAL: 122 production centres

INCOME
Production Centres: 244 points
Trade: 50 points (40 from merchant marine (35 units of shipping, 10 liners), 10 from airlines (1 domestic, 4 foreign))
UK tourism: 5 points (London airports: Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead; Birmingham airport; Dover cruise terminal)
Imperial tourism: 5 points (Kenya airport and cruise terminal; British Caribbean airport and cruise terminal; Tanzania airport)
From German Nuclear Research: 6 points
From German government for ESA program: 24 points
From French government for ESA program: 10 points

TOTAL: 344

growth yields 14 new production facilities for next year.

EXPENDITURE
Routine Expenditure:
military maintenance: 70
level 4 social services for UK (52m): 26
level 4 social services for Empire (60m): 30
Military Intelligence Service Maintenance: 5
6 points for nuclear weapons program (maintenance)
12 points for tactical nuclear weapons research (year 5 of 5)
24 points to start Solid Fuel missile program (24/48 complete)
12 points for space research (improved satellite tech) (12/12 complete)
Early warning satellite technology 6 points

Extraordinary Expenditure:
15 points for silos for 150 large ICBMs (1MT yield, 10,000 mile range), All in UK
5 points for tech 7.5 electronics research (year 2/5)
manned space launches 4 attempts = 20 points
ESA space launch tracking centre (Heligoland) 5 points

Royal Navy modernisation Program
2 Nuclear Powered heavy carrier groups, 30 points, 3 years build time
3 Nuclear Powered fleet carrier groups, jet capable, 36 points, 3 years build time
12 Nuclear Powered Cruisers, 4 heavy missile, 4 light missile, 4 AA, (total cost 200 points, 47 spent so far.)

Total: 344

Gambia

Pop: 290,000
Tech: 6
Income: 1 resource point (peanuts and fishing), 2 points from 2 shipping units,
Spending: level 4 social .25 points; .25 point to maintain an infantry division, 2.5 points to build one shipping unit (2.5/3)
Growth: 0

Togo

Pop: 1.3 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Lomé, 1 resource point (Cocoa), 2 points from 2 shipping units
Spending: 0.75 points for level 4 social services, 0.5 points to maintain 2 infantry divisions. 3 points for a shipping unit. 0.75 to start another (.75/3)
Growth: 0

Ghana

Pop: 5.2 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Accra. 2 resource points (Gold, Timber and Cocoa), 1 point from one shipping unit.
Spending: level 4 social services 2.5 points, .5 points to maintain infantry division and garrison, 2 points towards a shipping unit (2.75/3)
Growth: 0

Senegal

Pop: 2.8 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Dakar, 20 from France, 1 from one shipping unit.
Spending: 1.5 points for level 4 social services, 0.25 points to maintain an infantry division. 0.75 to finish one shipping unit, 18 points to build 6 shipping units, 2.5 to start another (2.5/3).

Sierra Leone
Pop: 1.9 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Freetown, 1 point from one shipping unit.
Spending: Level 4 services 2 points, .25 points to maintain one infantry division. .75 points to continue a shipping unit (2.5/3)

United Islamic Republic Builds:

Spending Type: Market Economy Peacetime Growth 3% : 4 Commerce (4 merchant marine) + 10 Production (total production centers:5) + 3 oil + 0 tourism+6 points aid (Scandic Union *bows*) = 23 points

Population = 24 million

2x Garrison (Kabul, Teheran) .5 points
4x Mech. Inf. Division (Kabul, Bandar Abbas/on it's way to Saudi Arabia, Tabriz and Ahwaz) 2 points (Regular Trained)
5x Mujahideen Division (Kabul, Khandahar, Bandar Abbas, Tabriz, Ahwaz) 2.75 (Elite Trained)
1x Infantry Corps (Teheran) .75 points (Highly Trained)
1x Armored Division (Teheran) .5 points (Regular Trained)
2x Mech. Artillery Group (Bandar Abbas, Ahwaz) 1 point (Regular Trained)

Social Services:
Level 3 Social Services for everyone (7.5 points)

Training:
2 Highly Trained Pilots 4 points

Foreign Purchase and Support:
1 point for 2 Mystere III Fighters
2.5 Points for Saudi Arabia

Domestic Investments:
Rural Electrification (1st year) 2.5 points

Total Spent: 23

Total Remaining: 0

ooc. let's hope this is right!

16% growth? Holy mother of Jesus!

yes sir.....

Population:
16 million Australasian

Market Economy Peacetime Cutspending:
Growth = 6% (5+1) of 93.5 rounds to 5 new Production Centers
Production Centers:
Sydney 5; Melbourne 5; Adelaide 4; Canberra 3; Brisbane 4; Auckland 2; Perth 4; Wellington 3; Port Moresby 2 = 32
Resources:
New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1 = 4
Commerce:
24 Merchant Marines; 1 National Airline; 1 International Airline = 40
Tourism:
1 Jet Terminal in Sydney; 1 Jet Terminal in Melbourne = 1.5 (population limits)

Budget for 1952: 32+4+40+1.5= 77.5 points

Social Spending:
Level 4 Social Services in Australia and New Zealand--7.5 points
Level 4 Social Services to Islands and New Guinea--4 points
11.5 Points Spent

Military Upkeep:
4 Cruisers--2 points
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup--2 points
15 Subs (3 units)--1.5 point
20 Destroyers (4 units)--1 point
6 Pilots at Elite Level--3 points
1 Pilot at Average Level--Free
HQ Unit--1 point
4 Infantry Divisions (highly trained)--2 points
1 Garrison Unit at Average level--0.5 point
2 Light Marine Brigades (highly trained)--1 point
1 Airborne Brigade (highly trained)--0.5 points
1 Fighter Bomber--0.5 points
1 Transport--0.25
5 Gen. 3 jet fighters--5 points
20.25 Points Spent

Military Spending:
1 Light Parachute Brigade--2 points
1 Transport Helicopter--2 points
Upkeep of Intelligence Agency--5 points
IRBM research--12 points (Half-way finished)
Contribution to Expansion of missile testing ground near Townsville and donation to US space program--5 points
26 Points Spent

Domestic Builds:
Investment in Domestic Electronics Agency--5 points
Finish Industrial Center in Moluccas (at Ambon)--12 points
Misc. Domestic Beautifications and Cultural Subsidies--2.75 points
19.75 Points Spent

11.5 + 20.25 + 26 + 17 = 77.5 Points Spent

Australian Commerce Breakdown
40 Economic Points
USA 8; Britain 7; South Africa 5; China 4; Pakistan 3; USEA 3; Korea 2; Germany 2; FNS 2; Japan 2; Dispersed 2 (multiple nations receive fractions of points, specifically industrialized Europe)

Advancing to Tech Level 7.5 Benchmark:
Blue Text Implies Achievement of Requirement:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (year 1 of 5)
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.

Oh yes, 1954 shipping, with 17 units

China: 3
Germany: 3
Egypt: 2
W. Arabia: 2
UIR: 2
Pakistan: 2
Dispersed: 3

hey a question with the large airfields at tech lvl7. Is that like a upgrade for all your airlines but you still get the points or is it like a new string of airports... look at Brazil's news thread

United Islamic Republic Builds:

Spending Type: Market Economy Peacetime Growth 3% : 4 Commerce (4 merchant marine) + 10 Production (total production centers:5) + 3 oil + 0 tourism+6 points aid (Scandic Union *bows*) = 23 points

Population = 24 million

2x Garrison (Kabul, Teheran) .5 points
4x Mech. Inf. Division (Kabul, Bandar Abbas/on it's way to Saudi Arabia, Tabriz and Ahwaz) 2 points (Regular Trained)
5x Mujahideen Division (Kabul, Khandahar, Bandar Abbas, Tabriz, Ahwaz) 2.75 (Elite Trained)
1x Infantry Corps (Teheran) .75 points (Highly Trained)
1x Armored Division (Teheran) .5 points (Regular Trained)
2x Mech. Artillery Group (Bandar Abbas, Ahwaz) 1 point (Regular Trained)

Social Services:
Level 3 Social Services for everyone (7.5 points)

Training:
2 Highly Trained Pilots 4 points

Foreign Purchase and Support:
1 point for 2 Mystere III Fighters
2.5 Points for Saudi Arabia

Domestic Investments:
Rural Electrification (1st year) 2.5 points

Total Spent: 23

Total Remaining: 0

ooc. let's hope this is right!

Don't forget: 3% growth means that you multiply 3% with your total income, the product will be how many production centres you get from economic growth.

In your case,

Growth= (3%)*(23)= 0.69 ----(round up)---> 1 production centre

Although the economic mods may correct me on this....

Don't forget: 3% growth means that you multiply 3% with your total income, the product will be how many production centres you get from economic growth.

In your case,

Growth= (3%)*(23)= 0.69 ----(round up)---> 1 production centre

Although the economic mods may correct me on this....

ooc. So, I get one more point?

Thanks for the help!

ooc. So, I get one more point?

Thanks for the help!

OOC: not 1 more point but 1 extra factory for next year. Thats the purpose of goin into cut spending. You get 5% growth. therefor you might get 1.5 factories insted of only 1. The .5 would add on to the next year so if you got 1.5 factories from growth 1 year and the next year you got 1.5 also you would have 3 new factories after 2 years

Federation of Asian States, 1955 Build, Tech Level 7
Spending Type: Market Economy National Effort (Year 3), Growth: 1% (normally 1%, but extra 1% from SCT would make it 2%, but the oil-crisis has hit Pakistan, so that's another -1%, since Pakistan still has oil).

45 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 105 from production centers (35 production centers: 6 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 2 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 4 Lahore, 1 Peshawar), + 20 from Tourism = 170 points

Population: 400 million people

Maintenance:
x4 Garrison 2 (Highly Trained)
x1 Mechanized .75 (Highly Trained)
x12 Pilots 3 (Expert)
x4 C47 1
x8 P2V Neptune 2
x1 Light Ship unit .25
x1 HQ Units 1.25 (Highly Trained)
x25 Light Infantry 12.5 (Highly Trained)
x17 Armored 12.75 (Highly Trained)
x3 Infantry 1.5 (Highly Trained)
x2 Parachute Divisions 1 point (Highly Trained)
x4 Improved MRBMs 4 points
x9 Mustard Gas "batches" 0
x1 Intelligence Agency 5 points
Total Spent: 47

Total Remaining: 123 points

Social Services:
Level II Social Services for everyone (80 points)

Total Spent: 127

Total Remaining: 43 points

Construction:
x1 Production Center (Agra) 24 points
x1 Home-grown electronics industry (Year 1) 5 points
Total Spent: 156

Total Remaining: 15

Military Purchases:
x2 Mig21 interceptor 6
x2 Pilots (Expert) 4

Total Spent:165

Total Remaining: 5

Aid to other nations:
SCT: 5

Total Spent: 170

Total Remaining: 0

Predicted 1956 Budget (Note: Taking into account continuation of National Effort):
45 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline) + 114 from production centers (39 production centers: 6 Agra, 2 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 2 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 2 Peshawar [2 in Madras from growth]), + 20 from Tourism = 179 points

Progress Towards Tech Level 7.5:
Blue indicates already achieved, Red indicates in progress
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one. (I'm not sure, but I assume that paying the SCT money is helping to put up satellites)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Has spent 5 points for 5 Years Building a home-grown electronics industry. (Year 1/5)

German Build 1955
Population: 84 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC-2% Recession
Production: 112, 2 oil points, 2 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
5 Dortmund, 5 Essen, 5 Dusseldorf, 5 Koln, 5 Bonn, 4 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 5 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 4 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 4 Mannheim, 5 Leipzig, 4 Dresden, 3 Karlsruhe, 3 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 3 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 3 Karlsbad, 2 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 3 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 2 Poznan

Regular Spending: 224 Industry+2 oil+2 Nuke Power+10 airline+40 shipping+8 tourist=276 points

Maintainance (125):
32 Highly Trained Garrisons-16
40 Elite Pilots-20
5 Regular Pilots-Free
18 Elite Mechanized Inf-13.5
10 Elite Armored-10
1 Special Forces Alpine-1
6 Special Forces Paratrooper-6
8 Elite Mech Flak-8
4 Elite Mech Artillery-4

3 HQ-3

6 Arado Ar 232-3 points
6 Do 337-3
19 TA200-9.5 points
11 BAC Lightning-11
3 M107-3

3 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup-6 points

3 Attack Submarine-1.5

2 Transport Groups-.5

80 Coastal Patrol Boats (2 groups)-.5
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25
20 Corvettes (1 group)-.25

Intelligence Agency-5 points

Social Spending (43):
Level 4 for 86 Million-43 points

Civilian Builds (112):

Electronics Industry Research-5 points (Year 3/5)

Nuclear Power Plant-24 points

ESA Research-4 points
ESA Missions-30 points

ECC Nuclear Research-6 points

2% Growth: 6 Industry Centers

18 points to Arabia
12 points to Arab League

Military Builds (19):

1x Highly Trained Garrison-3 points

Nuclear Maintainance-6 points

Build 1 HQ-10 points

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German Build 1956
Population: 85 Million
Tech Level:7
Economic Type: Market
Growth: Regular Spending 3% +1% EEC
Production: 124, 2 oil points, 3 Nuclear Power, 8 tourist (1 Berlin, 1 Vienna, 2 Hamburg, 1 Danzig, 1 Rhine Area, 1 Munich, 1 Leipzig), 1 national airline, 3 international airlines, 32 shipping units (5 surplus)
5 Dortmund, 5 Essen, 5 Dusseldorf, 5 Koln, 5 Bonn, 4 Bremen, 8 Hamburg, 5 Hannover, 8 Berlin, 4 Nuremburg, 5 Frankfurt, 3 Mainz, 4 Mannheim, 5 Leipzig, 5 Dresden, 3 Karlsruhe, 3 Saarbrucken, 3 Stuttgart, 6 Munich, 4 Salzburg, 5 Vienna, 3 Karlsbad, 3 Stettin, 4 Danzig, 4 Konigsburg, 3 Breslau, 3 Poznan

German Trade 1955
40 Points

Britain-6
China-5
United States-4
Egypt-2
Syria-2
Arabia-3
France-1
Brazil-3
FNS-3
Australia-2
South Africa-4
Nigeria-2
Scandic Union-1
Other-2

Progress to Tech Level 7.5
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years-Complete
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one-Complete
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants-Complete
5. Has an airline and tourist industry-Complete
6. Has spent 5 points for 5 Years Building a home-grown electronics industry-Year 3/5

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Japanese Builds for 1955

Population: 89 million
Production Centers: 87
Shiiping & Air: 40
Tourism: 8
Total: 135

Lvl. 4 Social Safety net: 40

Maintenance total: 14.5

4 Elite Parachute Brigades
4 C82's
4 Elite Light Infantry
2 Elite Pilots
2 Expert Pilots
Intelligence Agency
6 Garrison Units
Total Left: 80.5

Build:

10 Flak Groups: 30
2 HQ: 20
3 Frigate Flotillas: 15
Electronics Industry (3rd year): 5

Aid:
10 to ASP


Requirments Met/meeting:

1. Lvl. 3 Social Safety net for 10 years
2. Electronics Industry (3rd year)
3. Has the ability to make nuclear power plants (with the SCT?)
4. Has an airline and tourist industry
5. Created a communications satellite network (with SCT?)

Germany and Scandinavia just had to go playing around in the Middle East...

As the Arabian peninsula destabilizes, oil production naturally falls. The oil that is piped out is not enough to meet world demand, and oil prices begin to climb sharply. Peace is being negotiated, but unfortunately for the world it hasn't come quick enough. Saudi Arabia is the principal oil exporter, and the other major producers aren't able to pick up the slack. Oil from Russia, Venezuela, and North America is going primarily to Russia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Poland, North America and Latin America. Britain and Africa are getting oil from Nigeria, as are the Asians and Australians from Indonesia, but it's not enough to completely make up for the shortfall.

A worldwide recession has begun, with all nations losing at least 1% growth, and 2% for those nations who get most of their oil from Arabia (prinicipally Europe and parts of Asia).

Expect further updates as the seemingly unending period of economic growth and expansion finally begins to fail.

What parts of Asia are affected by the 2% drop

this is effective for 1954? I wont really need to adjust my build anyway (I was at cut spending and hit my growth cap because of population)

What parts of Asia are affected by the 2% drop

Japan, Korea, China, USEAS, etc. In other words, those parts without any significant domestic oil production (Pakistan may have enough, but the player may want to research that).

this is effective for 1954? I wont really need to adjust my build anyway (I was at cut spending and hit my growth cap because of population)

It's effective as of mid-1954, but for simplicity's sake you can just begin showing decreased growth in your 1955 builds.

ok, I thought maybe areas in Asia could tap into it's allies oil, but I guess not

ok, I thought maybe areas in Asia could tap into it's allies oil, but I guess not

Other areas are still producing oil, certainly, but not enough to offset the shortfall in Saudi production. The problem isn't that there's no oil, it's that there isn't enough to meet the demand of a world that is much more industrialized and developed than it was historically.

Germany and Scandinavia just had to go playing around in the Middle East...

As the Arabian peninsula destabilizes, oil production naturally falls. The oil that is piped out is not enough to meet world demand, and oil prices begin to climb sharply. Peace is being negotiated, but unfortunately for the world it hasn't come quick enough. Saudi Arabia is the principal oil exporter, and the other major producers aren't able to pick up the slack. Oil from Russia, Venezuela, and North America is going primarily to Russia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Poland, North America and Latin America. Britain and Africa are getting oil from Nigeria, as are the Asians and Australians from Indonesia, but it's not enough to completely make up for the shortfall.

A worldwide recession has begun, with all nations losing at least 1% growth, and 2% for those nations who get most of their oil from Arabia (prinicipally Europe and parts of Asia).

Expect further updates as the seemingly unending period of economic growth and expansion finally begins to fail.

(Quoting Queen) It's finally happened....

Korea will probably turn out okay.....I hope.

Japan, Korea, China, USEAS, etc. In other words, those parts without any significant domestic oil production (Pakistan may have enough, but the player may want to research that).

I disagree.

China has 3 oil points, and is planning hydroelectric projects.

Japan, Korea, and USEA has no oil income that I know of. Burma has 1, I believe. I'm not sure about Pakistan though- I know that the UIR does have a lot of oil, considering it encompasses Iran. But I don't know if India itself has lots of oil reserves or deposits.

Therefore, I can see the USEA, Korea, and Japan having 2% loss in growth, as they have no native / indigieous oil production. China should be able to squeak by with the 1% drop in growth instead of 2% (given that China has 3 oil points as well as trading with Colombia who has a lot of oil points for its size). China has gotten most of its oil imports from Colombia as part of Colombian aid and trading since before WW-3. China didn't trade much with the MEU and Saudi Arabia right after China turned anti-Pact / anti-USSR during WW-3 onwards.

I can see the UIR having only 1% loss in growth because it has Iran oil reserves. I dunno about India / Pakistan though.

That sounds reasonable, Sharina. I wasn't sure about China's domestic oil resources.

Remember that, although hydroelectric and nuclear power may ease the burden somewhat, oil is still the dominate energy resource in the world. It's the life blood of commerce, travel, and perhaps most importantly, the militaries of the world. Tanks can't run on hydroelectric power, and you'd be hard pressed to fit a nuclear reactor on a fighter.

Are Arab League members immune? After all, we've got the entire Middle East and North Africa. Algeria, Libya, and Kuwait alone could probably support the entire AL (about half the AL members aren't advanced so they probably won't consume any oil points). Egypt also has the Aswan Dam (which I think is hydro-electric)

That sounds reasonable, Sharina. I wasn't sure about China's domestic oil resources.

Remember that, although hydroelectric and nuclear power may ease the burden somewhat, oil is still the dominate energy resource in the world. It's the life blood of commerce, travel, and perhaps most importantly, the militaries of the world. Tanks can't run on hydroelectric power, and you'd be hard pressed to fit a nuclear reactor on a fighter.

True.

However, hydroelectric power could free up oil that would be originally slated for oil power plants, and also allow for electric powered subways, trolleys, and public transit systems. Oil rationing can occur, which means the oil can go directly to military use and to critical civilian stuff like aerospace (national and international airlines).

Germany and Scandinavia just had to go playing around in the Middle East...

As the Arabian peninsula destabilizes, oil production naturally falls. The oil that is piped out is not enough to meet world demand, and oil prices begin to climb sharply. Peace is being negotiated, but unfortunately for the world it hasn't come quick enough. Saudi Arabia is the principal oil exporter, and the other major producers aren't able to pick up the slack. Oil from Russia, Venezuela, and North America is going primarily to Russia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Poland, North America and Latin America. Britain and Africa are getting oil from Nigeria, as are the Asians and Australians from Indonesia, but it's not enough to completely make up for the shortfall.

A worldwide recession has begun, with all nations losing at least 1% growth, and 2% for those nations who get most of their oil from Arabia (prinicipally Europe and parts of Asia).

Expect further updates as the seemingly unending period of economic growth and expansion finally begins to fail.


The main thing to consider here is that it isn't so much as there is an ACTUAL shortage of oil, but there is a PERCEPTION OF EXPECTED SHORTAGE that drives up the price. A current look at the news on television anytime the last 2 years will explain what that means. Essentially the price of oil increases, and that slows down growth as money is sucked into higher oil prices. So it really doesn't matter how much oil you have, for example, the US is only importing 10% of its oil at this point, as ALL oil becomes more valuable.

So even if you have alternative energy like coal, hydroelectric, and fission on a large scale, the high price of oil affects things like travel, demand for autos, expense of mechanized agriculture etc.

Are Arab League members immune? After all, we've got the entire Middle East and North Africa. Algeria, Libya, and Kuwait alone could probably support the entire AL (about half the AL members aren't advanced so they probably won't consume any oil points). Egypt also has the Aswan Dam (which I think is hydro-electric)

No, because the price of things that the Arab League nations actually import increase in cost because of the higher costs of transportation etc.

1955

The United Egyptian, Sudanese, and Palestinian Republics
Population: 32 Million
Tech Level: 7
Production: 110
20 Egyptian Centers (40)
Egyptian National Airline (2)
Egyptian International Airline (2)
Egyptian Tourism (2)
Egyptian Shipping (21)
7 Sudanese Centers (14)
Sudanese National Airline (2)
Sudanese International Airline (2)
Sudanese Tourism (1)
Sudanese Shipping (9)
2 Palestinian Centers (4)
Palestinian National Airline (2)
Palestinian International Airline (2)
Palestinian Tourism (1)
Palestinian Shipping (6)

Maintenance: 27.75
5 Elite Trained Garrison Units (3.75)
4 Elite Trained Mountain Infantry Brigades (3)
4 Elite Trained Armored Divisions (4)
2 Elite Trained Armored Brigades (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Light Infantry Divisions (1.5)
2 Elite Trained Flak Brigades (1.5)
4 Elite Pilots (2)
2 Dassault Mirage III (2)
1 Elite Trained Mechanized Divisions (1)
1 Hawker Hunters (.5)
1 S-1 Tracer (1)
1 HQ (1)
Intelligence Agency (5)

Production: 67
Level 3 Social Services: 12
Electronics Industry: 5 (Year 2 of 5)
1 Egyptian Production Center: 24
1 Sudanese Production Center: 24

Foreign Aid: 15.25
Ethiopia: 1.5
AL: 13.75

Budget: 110
Total Costs: 110

Tech Level 7.5 (Must meet at least 4 of the conditions plus #6)
1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years (On Year 4 of 10)
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years (Have 30 of 48 factories)
3. Created a communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one. (See ALSA Research)
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants. (Year 2 of 3 for Nuke Research)
5. Has an airline and tourist industry. (Both for all Republics)
6. 5 points for Electronics Industry for 5 Years (On Year 2 of 5)

The Empire of Abyssinia (Ethiopia)
Population: 20 Million
Tech Level: 5
Production: 15.5
4 Production Centers (8)
Natural Resources (1)
National Airline (2)
International Airline (2)
Shipping (1)
United Republican Aid (1.5)

Maintenance: 2.5
8 Light Infantry Divisions: (2)
2 Infantry Corps: (.5)

Production: 13
Lv.3 Social Services: 6
2 Mountain Infantry Brigades: 4
Shipping Unit: 3

Budget: 15.5
Total Costs: 15.5

I disagree.

China has 3 oil points, and is planning hydroelectric projects.

Japan, Korea, and USEA has no oil income that I know of. Burma has 1, I believe. I'm not sure about Pakistan though- I know that the UIR does have a lot of oil, considering it encompasses Iran. But I don't know if India itself has lots of oil reserves or deposits.

Therefore, I can see the USEA, Korea, and Japan having 2% loss in growth, as they have no native / indigieous oil production. China should be able to squeak by with the 1% drop in growth instead of 2% (given that China has 3 oil points as well as trading with Colombia who has a lot of oil points for its size). China has gotten most of its oil imports from Colombia as part of Colombian aid and trading since before WW-3. China didn't trade much with the MEU and Saudi Arabia right after China turned anti-Pact / anti-USSR during WW-3 onwards.

I can see the UIR having only 1% loss in growth because it has Iran oil reserves. I dunno about India / Pakistan though.

3 points is literally a drop in the bucket considering the size of the Chinese economy at this point, as that is only about half or less of the actual demand in China. Remember, you have emphasized the importantance of mechanized agriculture in China for a good chunk of the century, and mechanized agriculture requires oil in huge quantities for a nation like China.

3 points is literally a drop in the bucket considering the size of the Chinese economy at this point, as that is only about half or less of the actual demand in China. Remember, you have emphasized the importantance of mechanized agriculture in China for a good chunk of the century, and mechanized agriculture requires oil in huge quantities for a nation like China.

That's true.

However, the majority of my oil imports comes from Colombia as it was Colombia that supplied China with oil during WW-3 (promised oil after Japanese invaded China) then continued after WW-3 as part as the aid packages. Chinese reliance on Arabian oil stopped after China went anti-Pact and the former MEU cut off oil shipments to China during WW-3 (hence the oil imported from Colombia, even to the "present day" of 1954-55).

That's true.

However, the majority of my oil imports comes from Colombia as it was Colombia that supplied China with oil during WW-3 (promised oil after Japanese invaded China) then continued after WW-3 as part as the aid packages. Chinese reliance on Arabian oil stopped after China went anti-Pact and the former MEU cut off oil shipments to China during WW-3 (hence the oil imported from Colombia, even to the "present day" of 1954-55).

considering the size of the North and South American economies at this point (compared to real life even now), most Caribbean and South American oil is almost certainly going to local consumption, leaving little (comparatively speaking) oil to the world market.

Essentially, Saudi Arabia is the only large amount of oil that is not already essentially devoted to a specific market, and that perception of unavailability drives the price up for all oil

The main thing to consider here is that it isn't so much as there is an ACTUAL shortage of oil, but there is a PERCEPTION OF EXPECTED SHORTAGE that drives up the price. A current look at the news on television anytime the last 2 years will explain what that means. Essentially the price of oil increases, and that slows down growth as money is sucked into higher oil prices. So it really doesn't matter how much oil you have, for example, the US is only importing 10% of its oil at this point, as ALL oil becomes more valuable.

So even if you have alternative energy like coal, hydroelectric, and fission on a large scale, the high price of oil affects things like travel, demand for autos, expense of mechanized agriculture etc.

reemphisis

I have a question, though.

You say that the price of oil is increasing so more money and resources are going into purchasing oil at higher prices, correct?

But then wouldn't increasing the supply of oil lower the oil prices? Tiny supply = huge prices... huge supply = tiny prices. Is that about right?

Another thing you might want to consider is that nations may not be willing to continue to service China or whoever if there are others who are more willing to spend more money on oil.

Either way, you all were clamoring for a depression. Here's the perfect excuse...

I was wondering if me making an offer for the Algerian oil helped me at all...

I have a question, though.

You say that the price of oil is increasing so more money and resources are going into purchasing oil at higher prices, correct?

But then wouldn't increasing the supply of oil lower the oil prices? Tiny supply = huge prices... huge supply = tiny prices. Is that about right?

if there was a surplus of oil, that would be true... but there really isn't yet. Some oil (North Sea, Siberia) requires tech level 7.5 to find much less extract, while other supplies (like the Caspian fields, Alaska etc) haven't been found yet and will require tech level 7.5 to extract in any case.

I was wondering if me making an offer for the Algerian oil helped me at all...

not really, if anything, it would mirror the increased demand that is causing the price hike.