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The prisioners captured before the virus was unleashed were given a trial before a Military Tribunal under Torontian Civil Law... If found guilty they were hanged...

After the virus BC Civil law was suspended and direct Military Rule instituted (the Military was given the legal authority to do whatever it felt was needed to crush the insurgency and stop the virus from spreading)...

Actually, the way I saw it, or at least the way it was explained to me ICly, the prisoners were going to be hanged anyway by Torontian law, which apparently doesn't provide for fair trials or holding people in quarantined jails... so I was persuaded to go along with it, interpreting it as an act of the sovereign Torontian government and not the Amestrians, and Kahanistanians now, who are merely assisting in the enforcement of laws that we may or may not agree with...

So not only have you agreed to uphold laws which are outrages against basic human rights for a fair trial or for respect of the rule of law, but you also agreed to ignore those laws and hand out summary death??

Actually, the way I saw it, or at least the way it was explained to me ICly, the prisoners were going to be hanged anyway by Torontian law, which apparently doesn't provide for fair trials or holding people in quarantined jails... so I was persuaded to go along with it, interpreting it as an act of the sovereign Torontian government and not the Amestrians, and Kahanistanians now, who are merely assisting in the enforcement of laws that we may or may not agree with...


Your interpretation is correct, Amestria was opperating under the laws of the TPG and Presidential Edict...

What happened was done at the request of the sovereign Torontian Government.

So not only have you agreed to uphold laws which are outrages against basic human rights for a fair trial or for respect of the rule of law, but you also agreed to ignore those laws and hand out summary death??

I would like to point out that less then 10,000 insurgents were executed in BC.

In BC tens of thousands have died because of the viral weapon...

Context...

Have fun torturing your captured Capital Police?

I would like to point out that less then 10,000 insurgents were executed in BC.
In BC tens of thousands have died because of the viral weapon...
Context...
The death of civilians due to a viral weapon does not justify summary murder. Reprisal killings are abhorent.

Have fun torturing your captured Capital Police?
The Kraven CP are not human, what we are doing is no different from animal laboratory testing.

The Kraven CP are not human, what we are doing is no different from animal laboratory testing.

[Runs around in a circle with hands over ears singing]

"I can't hear you... LaLaLaLa... Human Rights, Rule of Law, I can't hear you... Human rights, Human Rights, Rule of Law... LaLaLaLa...

"I can't hear you... LaLaLaLa... Human Rights, Rule of Law, I can't hear you... Human rights, Human Rights, Rule of Law... LaLaLaLa...

These are applicable only to humans.

These are applicable only to humans.

Is a person who is mentaly disabled human?

Is a person who is mentaly disabled human?
Of course.

The death of civilians due to a viral weapon does not justify summary murder. Reprisal killings are abhorent.


They were not reprisal killings, it was summary execution by the only functioning legal force in BC, the Military.

At that time there were no fuctioning courts and there was a massive quarantine in place...

What happened in BC was an extreme case, the Amestrian/TPG Military would not have taken such measures had there not been the use of the biological weapon...

Of course.

How are the Capital Police not human again? (if this was about the Saradakar, hell no, but the CP) What can you point to and say "got you, no human rights for you you non-human!"

What happened in BC was an extreme case, the Amestrian Military would not have taken such measures had there not been the use of the biological weapon...

Rubbish, the killings have almost nothing to do with the bioweapon, they are politically motivated.

How are the Capital Police not human again? (if this was about the Saradakar, hell no, but the CP) What can you point to and say "got you, no human rights for you you non-human!"

They are grown in factories, have their DNA significantly altered to make them mindless killing machines, are seriously modified by massive chemical therapy before birth, follow orders issued by electronic relay without question, have not demonstarted even the most simplest capability to think outside of their own strict comabt programing, can not think abstractly at all.

They are machines in human flesh, nothing more.

Rubbish, the killings have almost nothing to do with the bioweapon, they are politically motivated.

The Xirnium royal family all tragically lost there lives when their palace was stormed... so sad (weeps quitely)

How are the Capital Police not human again? (if this was about the Saradakar, hell no, but the CP) What can you point to and say "got you, no human rights for you you non-human!"

Um, deer, antelope, hippoes... Pretty much anything not human.

Xirnium, as I said before, those executions are SECRET and you had nothing in Torontia to find out about them...

Even SF does not know!

Xirnium, as I said before, those executions are SECRET and you had nothing in Torontia to find out about them...

Even SF does not know!
You told me yourself that they were public knowledge.

You told me yourself that they were public knowledge.

NO! I said the quarantine was public knowledge, the executions of the insurgents was secret, read the posts...

That was the shootings of quarantine / curfew breakers, not necessarily insurgents, and curfew breakers are mostly being arrested now that the insurgency is less of a problem.

NO! I said the quarantine was public knowledge, the executions of the insurgents was secret, read the posts...
The curfew breakers would mostly be insurgents anyway, so it a valid distinction to blur, isn't it?

That was the shootings of quarantine / curfew breakers, not necessarily insurgents, and curfew breakers are mostly being arrested now that the insurgency is less of a problem.

And that quarantine policy has been in place for weeks... Odd time for Xirnium to complain...

The cerfew breakers would mostly be insurgents anyway, so it a valid distinction to blur, isn't it?

The executions of captured insurgents are secret.

Also, Yallak has taken part in quarantine measures... condem Amestria and you have to condem them as well...

The executions of captured insurgents are secret.
How many of these curfew breakers captured?

Were any of these curfew breakers captured?

When the virus first emerged anyone who refused to obey the 24-hour curfew was shot on sight...

Since the virus is now under control and the insurgency crushed those measures are being relaxed throughout Northern BC... (but not in the areas still effected...)

When the virus first emerged anyone who refused to obey the 24-hour curfew was shot on sight...
In other words none. When I get back I'll alter my IC post accordingly. Thankyou.

Xirnium TG

You mean this is the first you heard of the quarantine policy??

I meantioned it several times IC and OOC...

You did not know?

I posted on it 10 pages back in the IC thread...

You mean this is the first you heard of the quarantine policy??

I meantioned it several times IC and OOC...

You did not know?

I posted on it 10 pages back in the IC thread...
Of course I knew, it's just I had no reason to make a statement about it before.

I've altered the message, can you remove the OOC comment from the thread?

The quarantine (if you read the thread) is now being relaxed...
Holy Xirnium couldn't give a damn about the quarantine.

Holy Xirnium couldn't give a damn about the quarantine.

Then why comment now about a policy firmly (and openly) in place for a while, which has had the support of two of your allies...?

Because Holy Xirnium wishes to do as much political damage to Amestria as possible.

Because Holy Xirnium wishes to do as much political damage to Amestria as possible.

Why?

Why?
The High Supreme Court justifiably has an extremely negative opinion of Amestria's "legal system" for a range of reasons, your lack of respect for the doctrine of national sovereignty, judicial independence, rule of law.

The High Ecclesiarchy is not impressed with your imposing a life sentence in absentia on ridiculous charges on one of its Justices of the High Supreme Court.

The High Supreme Court justifiably has an extremely negative opinion of Amestria's "legal system" for a range of reasons, your lack of respect for the doctrine of national sovereignty, judicial independence, rule of law.

You have little idea on the nature of the Amestrian Legal system, the courts are very powerful (which has nothing to do with Torontia because Torontia is foreign country with its own legal system). As for the doctrine of national sovereignty, Amestria has openly stated that it disagrees with Xirnium there on for many reasons...


The High Ecclesiarchy is not impressed with your imposing a life sentence in absentia on ridiculous charges on one of its Justices of the High Supreme Court.

So what, that is very minor, the reason I have not really meantioned it is because no one in Amestria wants to bring it up, the courts imposed their verdict now everyone is trying to forget about it...

So what, that is very minor, the reason I have not really meantioned it is because no one in Amestria wants to bring it up, the courts imposed their verdict now everyone is trying to forget about it...

You may consider it minor but the High Supreme Court does not, and will not forget it.

We cut all ties with Saint Fedski, a nation that had been a close ally, for much less.

You may consider it minor but the High Supreme Court does not, and will not forget it.

Minor disputes and insults happen all the time, get used to it (thats what the Xirnium courts get for refusing to recognize the legitamacy of State Service as a legal defense).

Minor disputes and insults happen all the time
You are seriously mistaken if you think that trying a Justice of the High Supreme Court in absentia for murder, simply for acting as a chief prosecutor in a trial, is a "minor dispute" or an "insult". On the contrary, it is undeniable evidence that Amestria has a seriously warped "legal system" (if we can even call it that) and more then enough reason to cause a major political incident.

You are seriously mistaken if you think that trying a Justice of the High Supreme Court in absentia for murder, simply for acting as a chief prosecutor in a trial, is a "minor dispute" or an "insult". On the contrary, it is undeniable evidence that Amestria has a seriously warped "legal system" (if we can even call it that) and more then enough reason to cause a major political incident.

If she goes to Amestria (not likely) and unless that happens no one cares... So what is the problem, don't like it that one of your justices is a convicted criminal... (Note: Unlike with Tanakis and Sophia Moss, Amestria is not trying to arrest her).

If she goes to Amestria (not likely) and unless that happens no one cares... So what is the problem, don't like it that one of your justices is a convicted criminal...
You "insulted" Holy Xirnium, and I have "insulted" you back, the difference is that the consequences of my "insult" will have serious effects on Amestria, while your "conviction" will have no effect on Holy Xirnium...

You "insulted" Holy Xirnium, and I have "insulted" you back, the difference is that the consequences of my insult will have serious effects on Amestria..

Not really, the economic effects will be insignificant at best (what trade Amestria did with Xirnium was indirect) and Amestria will just brush off your nations diplomatic condemnations... You also have no troops in Torontia and you were not going to send any...

In all due respect, Kahanistan and Yallaks governments have far more weight then Xirniums easily insulted and overly religious government... All this does is cause another headache and put warming Xirnium/Amestrian relations into deep freeze...

Well expect more convictions and insults in the future...

Yallak has posted his IC response to your "insult"...

In all due respect, Kahanistan and Yallaks governments have far more weight then Xirniums easily insulted and overly religious government...

The High Ecclesiarchy is a secular institution.

What if the Amestrian Constitutional Court overturned the conviction, would that satisfy you?

I think would only strengthen the High Supreme Court's negative opinion of your judicial system, that it seems to exist only for promoting political agendas (like trying the Justice in the first place) and not for applying the law.

But would it end the political dispute and the rediculus postering? Amestria does not need to deal with this at present...

But would it end the political dispute and the rediculus postering? Amestria does not need to deal with this at present...

It would not end the dispute exactly because you have made such a great enemy of the Xirniumite Courts. They have declared that Amestria does not "possess a rule of law by any meaningful definition of the term", and can you blame them when you presumed to try in absentia a Justice of the Supreme Court merely for having once been a Cheif Prosecutor in a trial that the Amestrian government had political issues with? Overturning the conviction on political grounds would only strengthen the opinion that Amestria's courts are political and not judicial institutions, and would not lift their pronouncment.

Given the power of the Courts, my hands are tied.

What if the CC decides the lower court overstepped its bounds and issues an apology... Surly the Xirnium courts are not immune to error and as the dispute is over... Hardly a reason to continue throwing pies...

Also, would not overturning the verdict show that Amestria has a rule of law (as Xirnium considers the virdict illegal)...

Also, would not overturning the verdict show that Amestria has a rule of law (as Xirnium considers the virdict illegal)...

It would do precisely the opposite, showing that the law is applied differently in different situations. In one situation, where a potentially damaging political situation abroad is unlikely the defendant is found guilty so that Amestria can make its "insult", in the other example the threat of a seriously damaging political situation causes the very same case to be overturned.

If the law is not applied in the same way to the same case, there is no rule of law.

The High Ecclesiarchy would be happy to end the matter now, but unlike in Amestria it can't dictate what the Courts do. I'm sorry but my hands are tied.

But it was just a mistake with a tricky new legal doctrine. The law was wrongly applied in this case and thus overturned, it will not be applied in that way again... I hardly see the problem...

TG!

No, come to a reasonable compromise. Besides, I am looking forward to a joint effort by the Amestrians and Yallakians engaging Saint Fedski only to find that SF has a handfull of ace cards up his sleeve...

Amestria TG

But as i said to you earlier, it ruins the RP if everytime some small error happens its removed or ignored. Thats why i had no problems to Sarz coming in - its realistic that an ally of SF would send help and that their government would place an official protest - by retconning that activity it took away from the RP - just as will your ignoring Xirnium because things didn't turn out as people had planned.

Setbacks occur in RL as they do in RP's and people should go along with those - they make for a much better RP.
Sarzonia hasn't retconned his government's public statements. He just said that he was considering...

SF just made a big mistake by bombing Hoquiem because he though i was there. Hundreds of civilians will have died if not thousands and that will screw over his moral superiority.

And the story will continue on from where it is now?? It can only become more interesting because of this, even though it will be more of a challenge for you.

Trust me, it will become less interesting...

How so?

A harder fight, instead of SF just being pummeled.
Tension between Yallak and Amestria
A foul relation between Xirnium and Amestria

This has just created more RP option than this thing ever had.

May I direct your attention to page 11, post #154
5. 100,000 stationed in Hoquiem.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10005449&postcount=154

Thank you. I'm currently doing some writing to clarify the situation with Amestria. I will be around. Please don't TG me until I finish my write up unless its important, I need his TGs. I will check here regularly.

May I direct your attention to page 11, post #154

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10005449&postcount=154

Thank you. I'm currently doing some writing to clarify the situation with Amestria. I will be around. Please don't TG me until I finish my write up unless its important, I need his TGs. I will check here regularly.

Oh i know about that - but it was only a sum up - who'd have though you'd launch attacks based on that.

Hoquiem was the nearest town to the bay where i have a landing zone - few to no troops are actually in the town itself.

Especially not on the airfields or anything - i have no land based planes - there all on the fleet.

And on the matter, even if you they were there, your planes would never make it. They'd have to cross all of Western Torontia over my SAM and they'd come into range of my naval SAM and aircraft patrols.

Amestria is only at war with SF because it has Yallak support...

Amestria is going to make peace...

IC Amestria does not want to wage a war in Torontia which promises to be long, drawn out... with an uncertain outcome, so the war will end...

Amestria is only at war with SF because it has Yallak support...

Amestria is going to make peace...

IC Amestria does not want to wage a war in Torontia which promises to be long, drawn out... with an uncertain outcome, so the war will end...

So thats just another twist to the matter - you now have to engage in diplomacy with SF.

Ok, here's the scoop. As I favor SF (slightly) IC, and with the Sarzonians backing SF with supplies, and I have diplomatic relations with Sarzonia's closest ally, the Democratic Imperium of Praetonia, we're gonna do a bicameral condemnation of the events so far, and I will be sending in an Arleigh Burke-class missile destroyer, while Praetonia sends a Praefale-class general purpose trimaran destroyer for observational purposes. Does anyone have an objection to that? Oh, and expect the obvious: any assault on either of the two ships shall result in grave consequences for Yallak or Amestria or any bloody fool that attacks them, will result in a massive dogpile and invasion on their own soil.

Sf Tg...

If people fuck this up after the hard work I just put into doing my Deployments and the current explanations I have going on for my bomber attack....I am going to be royally pissed OOCly. Once I figure out what has just happened OOCly/ICly between Amestria, Yallak and X, I will post my decision.

If Amestria is at fault: Their embassy staff in Saint Fedski will be butchered by terrorists and my ISF "won't see it"

If Yallak is at fault, a large civilian cargo ship from an unknown nation will lose control and sail right into a large fleet and then detonate (Fleetbreaker Class bomb) and wipe out the vast majority of it.

If Xirnium is at fault, I don't know...I've already expelled his embassy and they haven't fought me ICly and if I attack ICly, then I will risk war with some of my allies.

Ok, here's the scoop. As I favor SF (slightly) IC, and with the Sarzonians backing SF with supplies, and I have diplomatic relations with Sarzonia's closest ally, the Democratic Imperium of Praetonia, we're gonna do a bicameral condemnation of the events so far, and I will be sending in an Arleigh Burke-class missile destroyer, while Praetonia sends a Praefale-class general purpose trimaran destroyer for observational purposes. Does anyone have an objection to that? Oh, and expect the obvious: any assault on either of the two ships shall result in grave consequences for Yallak or Amestria or any bloody fool that attacks them, will result in a massive dogpile and invasion on their own soil.

Read the IC thread - your out of the loop here now.

I make a motion to halt all IC posts until I can finish my writeups before time goes by too quickly. My counter attack was supposed to be launched at roughly the same time as the bombing raids...but that has been forced back and I still want to RP the counter attack. So PLEASE halt the IC stuff until I can post my deployments, my response to Amestria's TG'd grievances, and my long planned and long announced counter attack! Please!

If people fuck this up after the hard work I just put into doing my Deployments and the current explanations I have going on for my bomber attack....I am going to be royally pissed OOCly. Once I figure out what has just happened OOCly/ICly between Amestria, Yallak and X, I will post my decision.

If Amestria is at fault: Their embassy staff in Saint Fedski will be butchered by terrorists and my ISF "won't see it"

If Yallak is at fault, a large civilian cargo ship from an unknown nation will lose control and sail right into a large fleet and then detonate (Fleetbreaker Class bomb) and wipe out the vast majority of it.

If Xirnium is at fault, I don't know...I've already expelled his embassy and they haven't fought me ICly and if I attack ICly, then I will risk war with some of my allies.

Basically, Xirnium's government cut off relations with Amestria over the list of problems they have with them, but namely the trial of their court justice Galdria. Then they petitioned Yallak (under our treaty) to withdraw support from Amestria, which we had no choice but to do.

PS your bomb would wipe out few ships if it ever even reached them. Not that it matters anymore, read the IC thread (last page).

I make a motion to halt all IC posts until I can finish my writeups before time goes by too quickly. My counter attack was supposed to be launched at roughly the same time as the bombing raids...but that has been forced back and I still want to RP the counter attack. So PLEASE halt the IC stuff until I can post my deployments, my response to Amestria's TG'd grievances, and my long planned and long announced counter attack! Please!

Mabye you should write replies to the attacks on your ships which happened in the opening momnets of the war. Ive already declared peace with you and you haven't even taken the first attack.

Mabye you should write replies to the attacks on your ships which happened in the opening momnets of the war. Ive already declared peace with you and you haven't even taken the first attack.
Toss me the link please. I may have missed it as I have been swamped since the beginning of conflict proper.

It was way back in the first few posts of the war. After i fired the missiles at Seattle, i had my commander ordering missiles fired at any of your ships in the strait (remember it was 200, but you asked if i could cut it down so i said 50 at each ship.)

Can deleted posts be restored?

Don't know, i doubt it.

Don't know, i doubt it.I think you'd have to ask the moderators to do that, and you'd have to have a good reason for restoring them. Then again, I haven't seen them restore a deleted post upon request, so I'm honestly not sure.

Sarzonia, can you please respond to my TG regarding some statement?

Can deleted posts be restored?

Dont worry too much. Xirnium has posted a copy of two of your IC posts, that will suffice for those who need to reference them.
Most of us know whats going on though now so it should be fine without restoring them.

On another note, i think we may have a record for the most deleted posts in one hour.

Sarzonia, can you please respond to my TG regarding some statement?If/when Praetonia issues a condemnation, I'll respond with my own. And I'll be laying on the political pressure.

I think you'd have to ask the moderators to do that, and you'd have to have a good reason for restoring them. Then again, I haven't seen them restore a deleted post upon request, so I'm honestly not sure.

Should I ask Moderation?

If/when Praetonia issues a condemnation, I'll respond with my own. And I'll be laying on the political pressure.

Since Yallak is suspending its military involvement I see less reason for previously uninvolved Nations to jump in and assist SF should war go forward...

Not leaving. Yallak has just suspended its support of Amestria. There are no intentions of leaving yet. Our mission has still not been acheived.

But your still correct - forces are very balanced now so no more allies jumping in (unless their attacked first)

Well, SF is going to have allied support: politically. And I have agreed with Praetonia, once we issue the joint condemnation, we'll be sending in our own destroyers to observe the situation. But if they are attacked by Yallak/Amestria, all hell breaks loose and SF receives not only political, but military, assistance.

Yallak, this is all I found in my skimming.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10049537&postcount=191
Does not specify any attack.

“Once the airfield has been incinerated – target any ship in that channel that belongs to Saint Fedski or their puppet government.”

Thats when i wrote in the OOC thread that i forgot to say how many missiles and that its would be 200 at each. You asked to scale it back so i said id make it only 50 at each ship.

I couldn't be more detailed because you never, even though we asked, posted a sum up of your forces and where they were.

We need to work out all the kinks in our Military movements before we go forward...

Thats when i wrote in the OOC thread that i forgot to say how many missiles and that its would be 200 at each. You asked to scale it back so i said id make it only 50 at each ship.

I couldn't be more detailed because you never, even though we asked, posted a sum up of your forces and where they were.
Where is the missile count though? And everytime I went to do my deployments, you guys would launch another attack that I would have to respond to. If you look though, there is a vague...outdate deployment posted about 2 posts before you and Amestria made your's.

Where is the missile count though? And everytime I went to do my deployments, you guys would launch another attack that I would have to respond to. If you look though, there is a vague...outdate deployment posted about 2 posts before you and Amestria made your's.

Thats what i just said twice already. I later posted it in the OOC thread when i realised i forgot to put it in the IC post. 50 at each ship. I couldn't do a total in the IC post because i didn't know how many vessels you had in the strait

By the way Yallak, if Amestria decides to tear into Xirnium diplomatically/economically at every oppertunity... what would be the Empires reaction...?

Because IC a lot of people in Central are really angry right now...

3 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 13 frigates. Sunk. 2 Cruisers, 8 destroyers, 8 frigates and 2 carriers damaged.

Amestria, you don't by any chance have a copy or the link or whatever of the map I made outlining the zones do you?

Amestria

Based on the last map I made and posted on November 12th. http://www.angelfire.com/creep/fff17/torontia/Torontia.html
Since then there have not been many IC changes (none have been done to the map). Amestria has moved further North, Red Tide was replaced by the Torontia player, who was then replaced by no one. Saint Fedski completey occupied the area around Olympia. Saint Fedski moved north to the BC border. Note that Anything north of the BC border is not included on the map as it was posted before the Amestrians moved into Vancouver. I think. Either way its only Washington State.

Also, please tell me how surface to air missiles can lock onto Amestrian Planes when the fighting is happening in Amestrian controled Airspace above the Amestrian zone...?
You failed to post where your aircraft were. I assumed they would be patrolling something worthwhile, not the ocean. So instead of having your aircraft dicking around over the ocean, I had them actually doing something by intercepting my aircraft before they reached the target.

And if those surface to air missiles where in front line positions they would be getting clobbered by the Amestrian and Yallak artillery/surface to surface missile attacks...
Even in your updated attack, there is no mention of any artillery action outside of the Olympia area. This is 180km south of Olympia.

So no, those surface to air missiles would not be there and you have some rewriting to do before I can respond to your post... Yes, there would be SAMs there. Just like all of my units have SAMs (mobile and static)

Also, how long would it take to scramble those other fighters? If you are sending more Yallak deserves a chance at interception, as now things are equal (both carriers scrambling fighters)
Probably not very long considering the amount of carriers I have and airfields in the immediate vicinity (Every airfield with military aircraft on it will be listed in my deployment which I STILL HAVE TO FINISH)

That is impossible... to go avoid the Amestrian defenses by circumventing Amestrian terratory... Vancouver is in the Heart of the Amestrian zone, the only way to reach it is go directly through the Amestrian zone...
Heart of the zone? It's 290km South of Port Angeles. The way my bombers flew was directly south from Wilbur, then pulled a 90 degree turn to the west near Goldendale. Therefore they only passed of 90km of Amestrian territory instead of the 110km flying direct.

I am not at my best RP wise when it comes to aircombat (I have trouble visualizing distance and time, which is crucal)... So I prefer just to post general movements and reactions...
That's entirely fine. As you know, it took me a while to make those posts because I needed to work out that kind of stuff.

Another thing I would like to bring up... I posted that I had the SF line under artillery bombardment so I would like to ask how artillery in front line positions could attack my positions without consquence...
Every centimeter of the 375km of frontline from Blaine, WA on the BC border to White Salmon on the Oregon border is under artillery bombardment? As far as I knew, Only the Olympia area was under bombardment, which I admit I did overlook so I will go add that to a post in a second. The artillery is not on frontline positions. If you look at the map, they are firing over the Admiralty Inlet and Admiralty Bay.

Maybe I needed to add some details and I am doing that (specific numbers) but I have posted that I have had the SF lines under continous bombardment and would like to see some effects of that... Those artillery pieces firing at my bases would be under fire from front line Amestrian guns!
Feel free to RP your guns searching for and returning unprepared fire against mobile artillery.

My post may have lacked details on what was meant by lines but you have not made any posts on what forces composed your lines so I had to be general... Understandable. However, I did make a post about, however vague it may be, about only Saint Fedskian positions. It's on page 11 I believe, right above your and Yallak's posts.[/Quote]


I do not think the SF and TIG can launch artillery attacks on Amestrian/TPG bases which are quite far from the front lines (I would just like to point that out) while under bombardment... I made the distances the guns were firing and their maximum distance. The Amestrian bases are well within reach of the guns.

We have all concentrated to much on the air/missile elements and have neglected to post details on our ground forces...

So I am going to post the specific details on the group attacking Olympia and bombarding the SF lines...(for over an hour)
Agreed. Once I finish with all this bullshit, I will post my final positions. The ground forces are already done, I'm just labelling air units and airbases.

Want a ceasefire and a return to a power shareing agreement?

Either that or more needless destruction... Of Course. But I am going to launch my long awaited counter attack first. Then we will sit down once the conditions I have already stated are met.

I have posted details on my attack on Olympia... Even though it should be a little late for that, I will allow it.

Don't get any smart ideas that you can defeat the AOA, remember the nuclear subs off the coast (in case things get hairy)... I remember, don't forget Project Alpha.

Amestria would rather have an unpleasant peace then some hard fought and draining conflict... Agreed.

Now I will get back to actually RPing.

Can someone tell me WHAT is going on?

Just to remind everyone for the past IC hours\days I've been continuing mobilization and deployment to the north which includes SAM sites, Airfields, and Artillery positions. As well as around 500,000 Soldiers and vehicles.

You failed to post where your aircraft were. I assumed they would be patrolling something worthwhile, not the ocean. So instead of having your aircraft dicking around over the ocean, I had them actually doing something by intercepting my aircraft before they reached the target.

They intercepted them on the Amestrian side, so as not to come under fire from SAM's and AA...


Even in your updated attack, there is no mention of any artillery action outside of the Olympia area. This is 180km south of Olympia.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10058247&postcount=212

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10053888&postcount=198

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10055959&postcount=207

All these posts meantion it, one of them yours...


Yes, there would be SAMs there. Just like all of my units have SAMs (mobile and static)

The airbattle is taking place over Amestrian Airspace, how are the Amestrian planes being targeted?


Every centimeter of the 375km of frontline from Blaine, WA on the BC border to White Salmon on the Oregon border is under artillery bombardment? As far as I knew, Only the Olympia area was under bombardment, which I admit I did overlook so I will go add that to a post in a second. The artillery is not on frontline positions. If you look at the map, they are firing over the Admiralty Inlet and Admiralty Bay.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10058247&postcount=212

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10053888&postcount=198

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10055959&postcount=207


I remember, don't forget Project Alpha.


Project Alpha is not radioactive...

I earlier posted that 400,000 Newly arrived Amestrian armored combat troops were on their way to Olympia to launch a direct offensive... Well here are the details...

On Route to Olympia (Note: All Amestrian)

These troops are currently on route to Olympia to launch a direct offensive. Once they arrive they will fall under the Command of General Roy Mustang.

15th Armored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Tautov

16thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Reno

18thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Vartan

19thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Phillpe

20thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Le Vau

21st Armored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Brel

22nd Armored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Camus

23rdArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Genet

24thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Lacan

25thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Marot

26th Armored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Sade

27thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
Division Commander: General Villan

28thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Zola

29thArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Ader

30th Armored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Farman

31stArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Perec

32ndArmored: 20,000 Troops/Crew
2,000 Armored Vehicles (2000 Heavy Tanks)
150 Howitzers and 150 Heavy Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Green

20th Artillery: 20,000 Troops/Gunnery Personnel
500 Self Propelled Artillery Pieces
500 Howitzers
200 Gun Howitzers
50 Mobile SAM’s
5 surface to surface rocket launchers
Division Commander: General Mermoz

21st Artillery: 20,000 Troops/Gunnery Personnel
500 Self Propelled Artillery Pieces
500 Howitzers
200 Gun Howitzers
5 surface to surface rocket launchers
50 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Garros

5thAnti Air: 10,000 Crew/Troops
5000 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Perse

6thAnti Air: 10,000 Crew/Troops
5000 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Racine

They intercepted them on the Amestrian side, so as not to come under fire from SAM's and AA...

The airbattle is taking place over Amestrian Airspace, how are the Amestrian planes being targeted?

Project Alpha is not radioactive...
For future reference, if your aircraft don't want to be targetted, keep them out over the ocean, or on the ground. Secondly, to avoid this kind of debate, post exactly where they are before I post my response. Let your losses be a lesson in keeping your aircraft organized.

And Project Alpha, while not radioactive is much more destructive than your N2 bombs. Much, much more destructive.

Kahanistan TG...

And Project Alpha, while not radioactive is much more destructive than your N2 bombs. Much, much more destructive.

And I still have quite a few N2's and EMP's...

Question, since you are firing those missiles over the Amestria lines, can they be intercepted?

If you go to the NS draftroom..It has the spec posted. I will post them here as well. http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=471

MI-A4
Added new guidance system, upgraded engine, increased wingspan. The MI-A4 is almost an entirely new design. However, it is still based in the same frame as the A1 and is therefore a direct descendant. With four different guidance systems, all operating simultaneously, the MI-A4 has a high kill probability. Able to turn 180 degrees in second thanks to help from vector thrusters, the A4 can hunt down missed aircraft and retarget them before they strike.

Type: Surface to Air Missile
Role: Anit-Aircraft Defence
Powerplant: High Performance Hydrogen Engine
Length: Four feet, 1 inch
Diameter: 8 inches
Wingspan: 28.3 inches
Speed: Mach 4
Guidance: Primary - infra-red lidar
Secondary - Heat seeking
Tertiary - Radar guidance (either Aircraft based, ground based, or space based)
Quaternary - Homes on electric signals (i.e communication between missiles and satellites/aircraft)
Two vector thrusters, enables missile to turn 180 almost on the spot.
If you have something able to take out a short-medium range SAM that is able to engage enemy missiles, then yes they can be intercepted. But I can't think of any situations were SAMs are actually intercepted, only cruise/ballistic missiles.

I'm off to work. Back in 10 hours.

Amestrian/TPG front line positions… All are emplaced behind anti-Infantry and anti-Tank fortifications

Amestrian Divisions

6thArmored: 20,000 Troops
1,000 Armored Vehicles (500 Heavy Tanks, 500 Armored Personnel Carriers)
50 Howitzers* and 50 Heavy Mortar Teams*
Division Commander: General Gary

7thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Char

8thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: General Claudel

9thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Flaubert

10thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Diderot

1stArtillery: 20,000 Troops/Gunnery Personnel
250 Self Propelled Artillery Pieces
500 Howitzers*
200 Gun Howitzers*
5 surface to surface rocket launchers*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Boulle

2ndArtillery: 20,000 Troops/Gunnery Personnel
250 Self Propelled Artillery Pieces*
500 Howitzers *
200 Gun Howitzers*
5 surface to surface rocket launchers*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Butor


TPG Divisions

7thMechanized Infantry: 30,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General Walter

9thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General Henry

10thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General Baker

1thArmored: 6thArmored: 20,000 Troops
1,000 Armored Vehicles (500 Heavy Tanks, 500 Armored Personnel Carriers)
50 Howitzers* and 50 Heavy Mortar Teams
Division Commander: Brigadier General Jordan

1st Artillery: 20,000 Troops/Gunnery Personnel
250 Self Propelled Artillery Pieces*
500 Howitzers*
200 Gun Howitzers*
5 surface to surface rocket launchers*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General Person


Border between the SF zone and Amestrian BC

10thMechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General Steward

11th Mechanized Infantry: 20,000 Troops
500 Armored Personnel Carriers
100 Howitzers* and 100 Light Mortar Teams
1 Surface-to-Surface rocket launcher*
10 Mobile SAM’s
Division Commander: Brigadier General George Anderson

*All units marked with this have been engaged in the bombardment of the SF lines for one hour…

The missiles are heat seeking... What would it take to confuse them...?

The missiles are heat seeking... What would it take to confuse them...?How about a decoy that gives off the same signal as the aircraft it's seeking?

Well, chaff works if you have any...

Well, chaff works if you have any...

I see no reason why the Amestrian Military would not have any...

-Lone Alliance Alaskian Forces-

2nd Infantry Army:
Infantry:200,000
MBTs: 250
LTs IFVs: 400
Artillery: 300

1st, 2nd Airborne Army
50,000
IFV LTs: 120

-Black Hand Alaskian Forces-
50,000
MBTs: **
LT\IFV\APC: ***

Black Hand Elite
5,000 Infantry
30 Prototypes

Genome Soldiers:
5 Virus Class



-Torontian Socialist Union Army-
20,000 Regulars
300 Various Vehicles armored and converted.
10,000 Reserve.

While we're at it, I'll go ahead and post my troops I'm sending. Oh, and it's revised!

Rolltide Unit, 22nd SOF-D Regiment (Special ForceS)
Troops Total: 24

Company K, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Traffic Services)
Total Troops: 1

I think we're outnumbered...

Total Kahanistan military forces in Torontia:

60,000 ground troops (15,000 combat, including 3,000 joining the Amestrians at the quarantine lines and 45,000 logistical and other support troops, mainly supplying the civilians in damaged areas with medical and other supplies)
250 Merkava IV MBT's
50 155mm howitzers
40 MiG-35's
5 MiG-31's
16 MiG-29's
20 B-52's
2 Nimitz-class carriers
10 AEGIS destroyers

Amestrian Military Positions

There are 1,150,000 Amestrian troops stationed in Torontia.
1. 350,000 are stationed in BC.
2. 200,000 stationed along the Amestrian/SF border, fortified.
3. 100,000 stationed on the OP (25,000 in Port Angeles)
4. 100,000 in Vancouver and surrounding areas (South)
5. 400,000 on route to Olympia to attack.

There are 1,200,000 TPG troops stationed in Torontia.

1. 300,000 stationed in BC.
2. 200,000 stationed along the Amestrian/SF border, fortified.
3. 300,000 stationed on the OP (25,000 in Port Angeles), 40,000 of which are preparing for offensive opperations...
4. 400,000 stationed in Vancouver and surrounding areas (South)

(Note: I have only posted division information on 300,000 of the TPG forces and 600,000 of the Amestrian forces so far...)

OOCly of course, has the policy to execute all captured Torontian insurgents out of hand ended, and if so when did this occur?

Also, when did the "shoot to kill" quarantine end?

According to this:

Those attempting to enter and reintegrate into rural communities do so without too much difficulty. However, those who attempt to enter the cities must overcome the restrictive quarantine system put in place by the Amestrian and TPG Militaries. In the Northern areas of BC, quarantine violators are no longer shot on sight (merely arrested, unless they are identified as insurgents) and curfews have been relaxed (as the virus has been contained in the southern region). The Southern Urban areas however remain under the full military quarantine regime (24-hour curfews, checkpoints, no movement between cities, violators shot on sight), making entrance extremely difficult and most likely undesirable for former members of the TPLA.


The Amestrians are still not taking any insurgents prisoner and have only relaxed the shoot to kill policy in the north?

No insurgents will be taken prisioner as they may be infected with the virus and would be hanged anyway... Although that is secret IC...

The Shoot on sight policies have been suspended in the North and the curfews relaxed... Because the virus remains in certain Southern cities the southern areas will remain under direct military control (as the military is the only functioning legal entity) until the virus has been stomped out...which should not be that much longer... Meanwhile the Amestrian and TPG Militaries are trying to rebuild BC...

These policies have been in place for months and Yallak and Xirnium both new of them while they were in full effect (being applied everywhere)... I find it curiose that Xirnium suddenly was shocked by them at the very time they were being relaxed...(Kahanistan if you read this, hit them over the head IC with this point, they knew before but did not comment, Xirnium is only commenting because of a grudge against Amestria)

Amestria']No insurgents will be taken prisioner as they may be infected with the virus and would be hanged anyway... Although that is secret IC...

I will hold you to that.

Xirnium, just to point something out, Amestrian Policy in Torontia is been made by the forces on the ground, the AOA (Amestrian Occupation Authority, that is, the Amestrian Military) while Torontian Policy is being made by the Torontian Provisional Government...

The President of Amestria (Boon) is a lame duck who is actually not that involved in the specifics (an election is right around the corner)... The following groups are handling the Amestrian aspects of the Torontian Occupation and Restructuring.

1. The Amestrian Military
2. The Ministry of Defense
3. The Ministry of Peace

The two Ministries are led by Members of Parliament and are accountable directly to the Prime Minister... They are only indirectly accountable to the President...

So their is no one person behind Amestrian Policy in Torontia...

Although Xirnium can rant against President Boon all they want, he will be out of office soon (he is retiring)...

I will hold you to that.

What is that supposed to mean...?

Although Xirnium can rant against President Boon all they want, he will be out of office soon (he is retiring)...
You will notice the Xirniumite press and government are attacking the Amestrian executive, that is the state organs that execute the laws of Amestria (including the military, your various ministers of cabinet, etc), and not any one specific person.

What is that supposed to mean...?
Only that I don't want to see you change the storyline and have thousands of supposedly dead insurgents suddenly alive and well in prisoner camps.

Only that I don't want to see you change the storyline and have thousands of supposedly dead insurgents suddenly alive and well in prisoner camps.

I am offended at such accusations.

Just to post a reminder:

Amestrian N2 bombs are not nuclear weapons, they are Non-Nuclear bombs (hence N2)... Amestria has two subs with 20 N2 and 30 EMP bombs of the Torontian coast...

Amestria does however have two other subs with nuclear weapons of Torontia...

Sf Tg...

By the way Yallak, if Amestria decides to tear into Xirnium diplomatically/economically at every oppertunity... what would be the Empires reaction...?

Because IC a lot of people in Central are really angry right now...

It would depend what you did. If it was minor like cutting off trade then there is nothing really to do (except subsidize that trade but that wouldn’t effect you), but if it was major like a blockade we would intervene forcefully.
As for politically, well everything is a political war and not much can be done there except use politics back (or media as McKagan does).

The missiles are heat seeking... What would it take to confuse them...?
That's the secondary guidance system. The missile has four.
Primary - Infra-red lidar
Secondary - Heat seeking
Tertiary - Radar guidance (either Aircraft based, ground based, or space based)
Quaternary - Homes on electric signals (i.e communication between missiles and satellites/aircraft)

The Tertiary and Quternary are always included. However, lidar is a little more expensive and not always included.
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Before I post my counter attacks. Where are the divisions located? You mention frontline and on the border...thats almost 400km or something. I can assume them all to be in Vancouver, or I could assume them all to be outside of Olympia. The intelligence bureau needs to know this before my attacks are launched.

Saint Fedski, can you please respond to my TG?

Once Amestria finishes their attack and their massive casualties and I list mine, a ceasefire will be declared. Then I will withdraw aside from The Olympia-Seattle-Everett area. There has been far too much editing and changing and lack of posting of details. I asked kindly numerous times for a chance to reply before anything else happened and next thing I know I'm being swamped. Apparently I still have losses to RP from a Yallak attack days ago. I requested that I not be TG'd until I had time to respond to a bunch of TG's I recieved, and what happened? A massive flood of them. I lost some of the ones I needed to respond to. Though luckily I did respond to most of the urgent ones.

Amestria will be declared the winner. In the future, look for accusations of crimes comitted by Amestria and the provisional government they control and I will reenter and hopefully things will be done properly then.

I look forward to engaging the Amestrians and Yallak again under similar circumstances in the future.

SF, Praetonia and I are doing a joint condemnation of the events, so hang in there. I'll typing up my half, then send it off to Praetonia.

Don't bother I'm done. I don't even know who's involved anymore or where Amestria's forces are. I have repeatedly posted what I'm using as a guide and have made posts, each with locations and other's don't seem to be so interested in details, they'd rather..."I have 3 soldiers in sqaure kilometers. If you attack point A you miss completely because they are at B, if you attack B, they are at A."

Instead of wasting my time detailing these posts, I could be doing detail about the Republic of New McFarland (my nation). The Commonwealth of Saint Fedski is a Commonwealth made up of nations controlled by my friends. I just picked the name Saint Fedski before they got involved so I changed my countries name to the Republic of New McFarland and when I RP as an individual country, that's what I RP as. I am able to get away with my dominance over the Commonwealth movements and orders and whatever because I do most of the RPing as you haven't seen much from North Saint Clair, Thornz, The Islandz, The-Fish, Pink-, or the newest (yet largest) Communist Revolution.

I asked kindly numerous times for a chance to reply before anything else happened and next thing I know I'm being swamped. Apparently I still have losses to RP from a Yallak attack days ago.

I look forward to engaging the Amestrians and Yallak again under similar circumstances in the future.

Thats why i stopped posting after i had made one naval attack and one ground attack. I don't think anyone really had a clear idea as to where the other forces were so it made detail hard...

Under similar circumstances??? Wouldn't you rather want a more even match of forces if we ever come into conflict again?

Thats why i stopped posting after i had made one naval attack and one ground attack. I don't think anyone really had a clear idea as to where the other forces were so it made detail hard...

Under similar circumstances??? Wouldn't you rather want a more even match of forces if we ever come into conflict again?
I liked RPing as the trash talking underdog. And I'd like a chance to do it again, properly, before I turn into a massive country that can actually back up what it says. I like the smaller RPs with thousands of troops as opposed to millions. Much easier to get into detail, much easier to organize, much easier to deploy and more fun all around. Instead of saying 3 divisions of 20,000 soldiers begin moving west over the mountains to Random City...one can say "Private Joe lead the platoon west, to the summit of Mount Random, overlooking the city that his platoon was about to lead an attack against." then you could RP individual units moving into postion...but with 60,000 soldiers, and 20,000 tanks and 8 million aircraft...no one has the time for that.

true. Thats why you'll find that even when im using massive deployments i'll always focus the activity on the characters, and only use the endless lines of tanks as a show of force and a background for the characters.

I also prefer the smaller-scale combat RPs that focus on the smaller picture partly because the logistical issues of getting an enormous force into a combat theatre and supporting that force make such enormous scale deployments impossible in the short term that most wars find themselves in. In World Wars when people talk about millions of soldiers in theatres, it's taken a long time to get those numbers of troops where they can fight.

More to the point, I like the ability to paint a scene involving a specific area of combat, whether it be Georgestown in Inkana or Daltrey in Branwyn. I like focusing on certain characters and their motivations, thoughts, fears, etc. rather than the impersonal movement of chess pieces of million man armies. And I'd much prefer having the stakes be somewhat equal. I hate dogpiles with a passion.

I hate dogpiles with a passion.

Indeed. Appearantly though Saint Fedski quite enjoys being on the receiving end of one every now and again.

But yeah, characters are what makes an RP good in my opinion.

Actually, I thought of a way to end this quickly and get the next phase started.

Post 274 has been edited to allow for the Yallak assault and the Amestrian bombardment. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10102630&postcount=274

Any of those needing illegal weapons shipments that'll funnel through secret methods check out my storefront: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442197

Try the vehicles, I feel we don't have enough IED, and Terrorism around.

Amestria will be declared the winner. In the future, look for accusations of crimes comitted by Amestria and the provisional government they control and I will reenter and hopefully things will be done properly then.

Problem is Amestria is not the winner, the conflict is a draw if it goes staus quo... And I am fine with that...

Heres my idea, a ceasefire is declared and an International Conference held between all involved parties on integrating the reconstruction/rebuilding/Elections...

Actually, I thought of a way to end this quickly and get the next phase started.

I had my own idea for ending the conflict, which would allow me to introduce a new character... I also see no reason for SF to withdraw as it has clearly been a draw, both sides suffering causalties and having militaries of roughly equal strength...

The one problem which dogged this war RP was a consistent lack of details for all sides... This began too quickly and there was not enough preperation on specifics... There was the posting of general troop numbers and estimated location...

SF, I have edited the post so the airport is destroyed and I have increased the TPG and Amestrian losses.

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Before I post my counter attacks. Where are the divisions located? You mention frontline and on the border...thats almost 400km or something. I can assume them all to be in Vancouver, or I could assume them all to be outside of Olympia. The intelligence bureau needs to know this before my attacks are launched.

By front-line I mean the border between the Amestrian zone and the SF zone (not counting the area of Olympia* nor the areas seperated by the channal).

Along the border there are 250,000 Amestrian/TPG troops...

Olympia had 150,000 Amestrian/TPG troops on the Amestrian/SF border but they have crossed the border and are engaged in offensive opperations at present...

By front-line I mean the border between the Amestrian zone and the SF zone (not counting the area of Olympia* nor the areas seperated by the channal).

Along the border there are 250,000 Amestrian/TPG troops...

Olympia had 150,000 Amestrian/TPG troops on the Amestrian/SF border but they have crossed the border and are engaged in offensive opperations at present...
I assumed as much, but I'd still like to know where they are. Are they all in Vancouver or are they all in the Olympia area or are they in various cities in between? If the latter, which cities and town? Which state parks, which highways or commercial zones? Which counties?

I suggest using Google Local (http://local.google.ca) for this.

Vancouver is not considered the front... I will post on the relative positions of Division headquarters along the border...

I would like to point out that although some level of landmarks are necessary, listing troops according to specific "commercial zones" and state parks does not make much sense.

1. If Torontia where an entirely fictional country, without any preexisting map for use by goggle local, we would be employing other means.

2. Torontia is not Washington State & BC, it is an independent country based on where Washington State previously was. A country of 500+ million, allot of things would thus be different from the google local map(s)... For instance all urban areas would be larger and population density higher. Rural areas would be smaller and so would the State Parks (given the New Order allowed them to be pillaged).

3. I do not have the time to zoom in a match everything to a specific local landmark (when as I pointed out Torontia is a nation, not Washington State) and doing so only makes things tedious and confusing. (Also, as I have pointed out before, the GL maps used to mark out Amestrian verses SF territory have been inaccurate in several regards concerning the Southern border)

The AMF/Kahanistan war, the Kraven Conflicts, the wars in Xirnium... None of them required google local...

Well you were the one who said you were using a map of washington state as a guide. So I went with it. If there was another map...please...show me...and I will use that for future reference.

Also, as I have pointed out before, the GL maps used to mark out Amestrian verses SF territory have been inaccurate in several regards concerning the Southern borderWell you RP'd taking Vancouver, so I assumed you took Vancouver and some extra area. I was quite generous in mapping out the territory. Especially if you look at the first map I used (which is still there). I RP'd the expansion south to the oregon border and east to the Red Tide zone. I even RP'd north a little. I based that map on everything that was RP'd.

2. Torontia is not Washington State & BC, it is an independent country based on where Washington State previously was. A country of 500+ million, allot of things would thus be different from the google local map(s)... For instance all urban areas would be larger and population density higher. Rural areas would be smaller and so would the State Parks (given the New Order allowed them to be pillaged).Well then, you provide a map. I tried to make it easier for us instead of each of the participants using a different map in their heads. Apparently the attempt is not appreciated so I won't bother using it anymore. I will just wing it and hope to RP with detail. Sorry from trying to add details and some sort of common ground in the RP. It will not happen again.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10137348#post10137348)

Amestria; if we're going to start to rebuild relations between our nations (which IS possible and profitable for both of us,) this is where we start.

Then I guess I was wrong because I've been using the maps also. It helps to have a RW location to work with for a country. In fact if I finally make a map it might use some RW locations.

And there will be no New Order Party in the elections, unless you want a dead candidate for the person running. Because as soon as *Insert Name* appears as a candidate for the New Order. The next thing you'll hear about it is that *Insert Name* will be assassinated. As well as every other member of the New Order.

I mean the Nazi Party was banned in Germany after World War 2, (I think they still are but I'm not sure)

Oh yeah before I forget.
Xirnium= Owned

Amestria; I understand it's the holidays and all; but i'd like to remind you that you've not responded to CODEX capturing Gaines yet.

Oh yeah before I forget.
Xirnium= Owned

What on earth are you talking about?

Amestria; I understand it's the holidays and all; but i'd like to remind you that you've not responded to CODEX capturing Gaines yet.

I am still working on the response... (matters changing relations with Mckagan are complex)

And now for something completely different!

I believe all further diplomatic arguments over Amestrian policy in BC would be more appropriately posted in the Media thread. Posts on BC recently have gone from Diplomatic Exchanges to arguments by opposing Media...and the debate does not appear to be anywhere near ending.

What on earth are you talking about?
ICly you have failed to provide a useful response, the Lone Alliance is painting Xirnium to be an insane nation, by stating that there are death camps and such and continuing to state that after admitting you have no proof our response is that it's all a crazy thing made up in Xirnium's leaders heads and that they are not to be taken seriously. So your whole 'death squad thing' will be met with sighs and pity by the international community for a nation to have leaders so insane. Since the rest of the world will think your nation is crazy, your words will no longer ever be valid again.

No one will take Xirnium seriously ever again!

That is after I put the last part of my counter in action.

ICly you have failed to provide a useful response,
Response to what? The only point you made is the obvious one that Xirnium doesn't have completely conclusive evidence that Amestria has summarily executed every captured insurgent, and how could they if they haven't been given access to the camps?

ICly your government is talking gibberish.

the Lone Alliance is painting Xirnium to be an insane nation,
The Lone Alliance is doing no such thing. If Amestria had nothing to hide and opened their camps to foreign observers there would be no need for the High Ecclesiarchy to be suspicious of them. This is not "insane" reasoning at all.

by stating that there are death camps and such and continuing to state that after admitting you have no proof our response is that it's all a crazy thing made up in Xirnium's leaders heads and that they are not to be taken seriously.
I only said that I couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt until after people inspected the empty camps, not that I had no evidence. Obviously your leaders need to learn to read as well.

If Amestria opens the camps it will confirm the atrocity. If it refuses to open them (as it obviously has to) it will only seem to confirm the High Ecclesiarchy's claims. Eventually the truth will come out, it's not as if Amestria can say they are being held in detention forever. The international community will soon catch on that there are no prisoners.

So your whole 'death squad thing' will be met with sighs and pity by the international community for a nation to have leaders so insane. Since the rest of the world will think your nation is crazy, your words will no longer ever be valid again. No one will take Xirnium seriously ever again!
Rubbish. There is absolutely nothing you have said which suggests the High Ecclesiarchy is "crazy".

Kahanistan, TG

Before the use of the bioweapon (and quarantine) captured insurgents who where found guilty under Torontian Domestic Law of treason and/or insurrection by a Military Tribunal where hanged unless they provided satisfactory information on the insurgency...

Most were hanged and it was a public secret...

The TPLA is crushed and the virus contained, if Amestria/TPG had been afraid of international criticism it would never have carried out such policies...

Mckagan has been ranting about Amestrian “abuses” long before Xirnium’s current anti-Amestrian media attacks…

And there are quite a few prisioners in BC, many of them sentenced to 20 years or more for their role in the Mckagan inspired riots...

And there are quite a few prisioners in BC, many of them sentenced to 20 years or more for their role in the Mckagan inspired riots...

You clearly stated, though, that all captured insurgents after the start of quarantine are killed summarily and that is what I'm mainly concerned with:

"No insurgents will be taken prisioner as they may be infected with the virus and would be hanged anyway... Although that is secret IC..."

Since the TPLA is no more there are no longer any summery executions...(quarantine violations in the South are another story)

In fact Xirnium decided to go after Amestria on this issue AFTER the TPLA was destroyed and the policy ended by defualt...

In fact Xirnium decided to go after Amestria on this issue AFTER the TPLA was destroyed and the policy ended by defualt...

That makes no difference, from the High Ecclesiarchy's point of view. It took time for them to realise you were executing captured prisoners, but that Amestria is no longer doing it is no reason not to hold them accountable.

That makes no difference.

That and Xirnium knew about the quarantine policies a month before the current dispute makes all the difference in the world... In addition, those policies had the support of Yallak...

I think Xirnium lacks credibility, as it quite clearly has an axe to grind…

Moreover, please post all further condemnations on the Media thread...

That and Xirnium knew about the quarantine policies a month before the current dispute makes all the difference in the world...
As I stated before, a month is an insignificant amount of time. Even working as quikcly as possible it took that long for the commission set up to investigate practises in Torontia to report their findings to the High Ecclesiarchy.

I think Xirnium lacks credibility, as it quite clearly has an axe to grind…
Xirnium has no axe to grind. How could they, they have no interests anywhere near Torontia. The High Ecclesiarchy genuinely believe that Amestria is a dangerous nation, and judging by what the Amestrians have done their belief is well founded.

As I stated before, a month is an insignificant amount of time. Even working as quikcly as possible it took that long for the commission set up to investigate practises in Torontia to report their findings to the High Ecclesiarchy.


You never posted any investigation...

You never posted any investigation...
Do you think the High Ecclesiarchy makes decisions off the cuff, randomly at the start of each day, especially in matters of foreign policy? They are constantly holding committees for everything.

The mandade of the parliamentary committee was to observe practises in Torontia and report to the minister. There isn't really much to rp.

Do you think the High Ecclesiarchy makes decisions off the cuff, especially in matters of foreign policy? They are constantly holding committees for everything.

You never made a post on this issue and during the quarantine no one was let into BC who was not Military... So how could there have been an investigation?

I don't understand your meaning, the investigation was held in Xirnium, not Torontia. It consisted of evaluating what was known to be occuring and collating their findings.

Anyway, the first IC post I made mentioning it was here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10134666#post10134666) though I OOCly inquired about how you were murdering prisoners back when you first announced it. Really, it's only a minor issue.

OOC: The thread is conveniently closed, to prevent neutral nations from taking such an eminently logical and sensible approach.
Since the exterminated prisoners is a seperate RP that has been transfered to the media thread there is no reason, in my opinion, why any nation cannot get involved.

Do I smell a spin off thread here? And I'm still waiting for Amestria to finish my bombings so I can start my attack and so Sniper Country can get his commandos into action.

I am still working on the response... (matters changing relations with Mckagan are complex)

And now for something completely different!

I believe all further diplomatic arguments over Amestrian policy in BC would be more appropriately posted in the Media thread. Posts on BC recently have gone from Diplomatic Exchanges to arguments by opposing Media...and the debate does not appear to be anywhere near ending.

If other parties are going to argue over policy in BC and the like; just make separate threads like I did.

So would everyone be ok with me joining the story if I put it in a seperate thread or what? Fourhearts would basicly be attempting to 1) Inspect the prisons so they can get to the root of the accuasations and 2) Try and barter a peace between all the nations involved.

I wouldn't care. I know nothing about the prisons. My intelligence bureau has been concentrating on enemy military positions in the Washington stae area of torontia, not the BC area due to: a) lack of agents b)quite unstable region c)the outbreak d) terrorist operations (don't want the IB to get caught up in that and connected back to my government.

As for the trying to bring peace...try all you want...good luck. You likely won't see Saint Fedski at those tables or even responding to the invitations. Instead you'll probably see a character RP in Sarnia laughing at it and then beginning the attack on the Amestrians or A Christmas assault on the Lone Alliance (considered terrorists)

So would everyone be ok with me joining the story if I put it in a seperate thread or what? Fourhearts would basicly be attempting to 1) Inspect the prisons so they can get to the root of the accuasations and 2) Try and barter a peace between all the nations involved.

Who are you?

As for the trying to bring peace...try all you want...good luck. You likely won't see Saint Fedski at those tables or even responding to the invitations. Instead you'll probably see a character RP in Sarnia laughing at it and then beginning the attack on the Amestrians or A Christmas assault on the Lone Alliance (considered terrorists)

Amestria will post the results of the air-raids soon (the holidays have delayed things a little).

Amestria is planning to end the assualt and agree to SF's ceasefire demands... and if SF continues the conflict Amestria will destroy Seattle...

So SF laughs off peace at its own and Torontia's expense...

So SF laughs off peace at its own and Torontia's expense...
What the hell are you talking about? I'm only going to laugh off the Four Hearts..not Kahanistan who is going to be hosting the talks in/at Camp Weasley Harris whenever he feels likes moving his troops there. But like I said, the counter attack will happen first, unless I say otherwise, but it should be happening just after the bombers drop their bombs.

or A Christmas assault on the Lone Alliance (considered terrorists) Followed by the complete and utter destruction the Saint Fedski forces in Torontia and and either a terrorist weapon attack or a possible invasion on the Nation of Saint Fedski. Yeah you heard me, Give me a reason and I'll hurt Saint Fedski badly. Death of Saint Fedskians and Saint Fedski supporters bothers the TBH and TLA very little if they are attacked by Saint Fedski.

You brought OOC to the IC with your statement to Amestria. Please fix that.

15 to 300 Miles for the main guns
A gun firing a projectile 300 miles?

And in relation to the SF occupied zone of Torontia, how far away are your bases?

You brought OOC to the IC with your statement to Amestria. Please fix that. Uh no I didn't.

**Public Announcement from Admiral Ken Murphy in Sarnia, Republic of New McFarland, Commonwealth of Saint Fedski**

The Lone Alliance is urged to remain quiet regarding the happenings in Torontia. If there is any military action from said nation, the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski will be forced to respond with drastic measures. Such an "intervention" by the Lone Alliance will not be good for the peace process or for the nation the Lone Alliance. Once peace in Torontia is worked out with the Infinite Empire of Yallak, the State of Amestria and the various other entities, an immediate motion by the Saint Fedskian Protection Authority will be made to rid the area of all Lone Alliance military units. General Ferdinand of The Torontian National Army has assured me that there will be no Lone Alliance soldiers permitted within 10km of the Torontian border without a declaration of war.
That's a threat if I've ever saw one. That's why it said either side, because the statement included Amestria and Yallak.



A gun firing a projectile 300 miles?

And in relation to the SF occupied zone of Torontia, how far away are your bases?
No it's a whole bunch of guns within their areas have a range at Max (A good chance that it would be Inaccurate of course) of 300 miles within the location of their fire bases, a Triangle of Doom if you will.

And they are no where near the SF zone of Torontia, they are mainly defensive. But they can hit Alberta located Tanakis's Torontia Republican Army positions.

Who are you?
Fourhearts is obviously a member of the international community who has not been fooled by the lies of Amestria and TLA that the captured prisioners suspected of being TPLA are alive and well.

This is the begining of the avalanche, Amestria, if I were you I'd just come forward and admit it now and save yourself the trouble.

Actually, Fourhearts mantains neutrality. ICly we simply want to see an end to this conflict. Popular opinion and such.

As far as the allegations go, we simply want to get to the bottom of it. ICly, about 25% of the Humanitarian Fleet thinks nothing happend, 25% think something has and half arn't saying ethier way. Because we don't have any forces in Tororia, we think we can safely qaulify as a third nuetral party.

If Amestria agrees, we'd send a few officers down to inspect and then make a judgement from there.

The thing is, Amestria won't let anyone else join the RP...

Perhaps Lou needs another paycheck...

No it's a whole bunch of guns within their areas have a range at Max (A good chance that it would be Inaccurate of course) of 300 miles within the location of their fire bases, a Triangle of Doom if you will.
Are you saying that if one of said guns is at point A and Joe Blow is at point B which is 292 miles away from said gun, said gun can hit Joe Blow?

X, Kahan, SEA, TG's (unrelated to this though)

The thing is, Amestria won't let anyone else join the RP..

The scope of the RP, at least as regards the murdered prisoners, has changed and it is no longer appropriate to have the RP closed.

In fact, such an RP demands that it be open in order to provoke controversy in the international community.

How much would it hurt Amestria for a video (which DART teams HAVE been doing, mind you) of what appears to be TPLA Soldiers being executed just HAPPENED to end up on SRN?

Of course, now that Amestria and I are partially working towards peace and better relations Lou would have to have reason to do that, and the MCID isn't going to bribe him again...

Of course, someone ELSE could bribe him...

Here's the deal:

I know I didn't IC'ly post of video's being made. BUT, isn't it one of those obvious things people would understand as happening? Just like Amestria didn't post on those ships being locked down until afterwards, I didn't think it was necessary to post of videos being made. In regards, the DART outfit in Torontia was taking videos of EVERYTHING, hence the ones of Yallak destroying a village. So before anyone says it, a possible video ISN'T a godmod.

Because we don't have any forces in Tororia, we think we can safely qaulify as a third nuetral party.
I’d like to point out that Xirnium has also been neutral, and has no forces anywhere near Torontia. The nations that we have accused were friendly before this whole affair, and there was nothing for Xirnium to gain by trying to hold Amestria to account. Nothing, that is, but to support justice.

Of course, someone ELSE could bribe him...
What ever happened to journalistic integrity, and reporting the truth rather then withholding it? :D Would you like me to bribe Lou so that he will do the right thing (because it can be arranged)?

Nevermind, I'll have Lou make another report later.

As for now, I've got to get my DART teams reorganized so i'll be making a post in the Idaho thread.

Fourhearts is obviously a member of the international community who has not been fooled by the lies of Amestria and TLA that the captured prisioners suspected of being TPLA are alive and well.

This is the begining of the avalanche, Amestria, if I were you I'd just come forward and admit it now and save yourself the trouble.

Amestria didn't deny that they executed TPLA people because they were suspected of having the virus if you remember, but you said they were executing ALL policital parties which is a full blown lie. And you DID have some people in Torontia Xirnium. you've been busted as well.


Are you saying that if one of said guns is at point A and Joe Blow is at point B which is 292 miles away from said gun, said gun can hit Joe Blow?

X, Kahan, SEA, TG's (unrelated to this though)

No but gun at point C (which is 70 miles away) can.

Amestria didn't deny that they executed TPLA people if you remember, but you said they were executing ALL policital parties which is a full blown lie.

Calm down.

Yes it is. But just like what SRN did to Yallak, it can be used as propaganda. Amestria can't really do much more of an argument other than "no, we didn't," but if the information is presented the right way, it can be used to put Amestria in a VERY bad position. Look at what's going on in the United States today, for example. The question the media can present is "If ONE group is being whiped out and killed like this, what's going on that we're NOT hearing about?"

The sad thing is is that no one should really cry over dead terrorists. IRL and in NS. That's what Xirnium seems to be trying to cover up, these insurgants were Terrorists, therefore the gloves should be off. Of course I've been collecting dirt on all factions since it began and you don't want me to call them out. And that's what the final part of my plan will be. To call that out and make a complete fool out of Xirnium. The thing is he's believing OOCly his own made up story.

The combination of DART teams and SRN Satellites know alot of what's going on in Torontia and can prove or disprove alot of stuff. The only thing that's keeping me from having the most intelligence of anyone in Torontia is that I don't really have alot of agents on the ground...

The sad thing is is that no one should really cry over dead terrorists. IRL and in NS. That's what Xirnium seems to be trying to cover up, these insurgants were Terrorists, therefore the gloves should be off. Of course I've been collecting dirt on all factions since it began and you don't want me to call them out. And that's what the final part of my plan will be. To call that out and make a complete fool out of Xirnium. The thing is he's believing OOCly his own made up story.

It's all how YOU look at it.

If you came out saying that against Lou, he'd call you a fascist for thinking you can label anyone you want a terrorist and no one is supposed to say anything if you shoot them. :)

Amestria didn't deny that they executed TPLA people because they were suspected of having the virus if you remember, but you said they were executing ALL policital parties which is a full blown lie. And you DID have some people in Torontia Xirnium. you've been busted as well.
I never said they were executing all political parties at all, only that they were executing their rivals, who is basically anyone suspected of being TPLA.

As for the second part, I had some intelligence agents in Saint Fedskian- controlled Torontia at the start, who cooperated with authorities for the extradition of Torontian warcriminals (which Xirnium actually bothered to try in Court, not just summarily execute them like Amestria) but I never had troops there, as I have always maintained. Once the extradition was complete my officials left, and it's all on the public record. We have no interests in Torontia.

So I've not been "busted" at all.

And nowhere has Amestria admited to executing any person suspected of being TPLA without trial, if they had I could have left this annoying RP long ago. TLA may condone those outrages but Amestria at least has more sense, and denies them.

The sad thing is is that no one should really cry over dead terrorists. IRL and in NS.
The issue was never about whether they are or are not terrorists. The issue is that they are being executed after capture without trial. That is an atrocity, pure and simple, and the only thing of concern.

That's what Xirnium seems to be trying to cover up, these insurgants were Terrorists, therefore the gloves should be off.
How can you tell if they were terrorists when they were never put on trial, only shot summarily? Xirnium is not covering up anything, it's not even contesting the issue of whether they may or may not have been insurgents or terrorists.

The only thing Xirnium maintains is that prisoners are being exterminated without trial. That's it. Keep your other conspiracy theories to yourself.

The suggestion that Xirnium is attempting to cover up a pro-Tanakis group's activities, when Tanakis invaded Holy Xirnium in the past and commited atrocities there, is absurd even by the TLA's standards. There is a difference between insisting that basic standards of deceny are maintained by the counter-insurgents on the one hand and supporting terrorism on the other, which you can't seem to grasp.

To call that out and make a complete fool out of Xirnium.
You've only succeeded in making a fool of yourself, I'm afriad. For your hysterically illogical IC and OOC remarks, which you seem incapable of keeping seperate.

Of course I've been collecting dirt on all factions since it began and you don't want me to call them out.
You've got nothing on Holy Xirnium, because there is nothing to have.

Our hands are clean and what small involvement we had in Torontia (negotiating for the extradition of suspected warcriminals at the begining, nothing else) is on the public record.

The High Ecclesiarchy is rapidly forming the opinion that the leadership of TLA must be suffering from some kind of mass-psychosis.

TLA can't prove anything on McKagan anyway. After Amestria and I work it out IC'ly, i'm ignoring anyone who RP's as having ANY reason to suspect McKagan of anything.

What dirt can you possibly have the on SF aside from the public threat made against I think it was the black hand. Which threatened torture...only threatened. And should you decide to call anything, there would be no point unless you were to back it up by launching an attack and by launching an attack you open a whole new can of worms.

The ENTIRE Commonwealth will be against you.
Kahanistan and Xirnium will be against you.
There's a good chance that Yallak will join in.
There's also a chance Southeast Asia might feel the need to jump in.
Amestria may even see it as a threat to peace in the region and attack you.

Hell maybe if I do some sweet talking, the Council of Air Powers will help me out, this time without worrying if other players OOCly disagree with their involvement. Even though this would be a considered dogpiling, I could just use some allied forces to keep my home front pinned down while the commonwealth used their entire military....

As it stands now, you only have the entire Commonwealth against you...but see how quickly things could change?

I would love for that to happen, but for your sake I would advise against it.

Okay, as soon I find the IC thread, I'm inserting my men.

*grins a victory grin*

Saint Fedski, TG I need answered PDQ.

Answered.

Anybody got the IC thread link? I can't find it for nothing.

The Liberation of Torontia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454259). Enjoy.

Actually I'm just waiting for you to jump the gun first Saint Fedski. I'll post on the 26th and then I'll be off till Jan.

And TLA never thought that Xirnium was pro-Tanakis.

[NOTE: Here's an excerpt from an RP I was involved with a while back, which lists the equipment my guys are carrying. So yo don't try to call GMing on me later on:

The men listened without saying a word as they donned their equipment. Normally, on any other training day, you’d probably see them wearing a polo shirt, plaid shorts, and flip flops. But not today. Today, they wore full “Battle Rattle,” or all the gear they’d actually take with them on a deployment. Their equipment consisted of: a large, black/green backpack, green baseball cap, black “hockey” Kevlar helmet, Load Bearing Equipment (LBE) / Protective Ballistic Armor (PBA) Vest, Basic (Woodland “Treefrog”) Combat Uniform (BCU) (including Versatile Combat Boots), Oakley® goggles, COBRA (Combat Operations Broadcast and Retrieval Asset) Headset, and kneepads/elbowpads. A majority of their actual equipment resided in the backpack and LBE, such as extra ammunition, first aid, N/TVGs, ProMasks, HYDRAtion (SCAF Camelback Equivalent), grenades, sensors, and various other SOF-D deployment equipment. Once each man had all his equipment on, still amazingly versatile despite their load, they strapped their sidearms to their hips and grabbed their distinctive weapons from various locations around the hangar. Their weapons, fully customized to the soldier’s likings, were some of the most durable, capable killing machines in the SCAF. Each of the weapons costed upwards of $50,000, usually in the $70,000 range. Each man had his weapon specifically tailored to his mission orientation and needs/wants.]

Of course my snipers are wearing their cute little ghillie suits and all that basic bullcrap you learned in 2nd grade. Blah blah blah.

A few more things.
If those 'prisoners' were infected with the Virus, which is a weapon, then they were armed and dangerous, you can't trust anyone in such a situation like a Bio weapon outbreak, it spreads fear. It's human nature.

And Saint Fedski, two words.
Kraven Soldiers They have no proof on it yet but earlier ICly I had posted that they were getting some ships together in Victoria, (back at page 13) a handful of divers can pull up plenty of evidence on whats left of your ruined ships

Lone Alliance, the SF ships are in Port Angeles and they would not be allowed into the harbor...

Mckagan, Amestria has been jamming all unauthorized transimissions in and out of Torontia (particularly BC) and the BC internet has been disconnected (as BC is no longer conected to the Torontian phone lines)...

Also, how could a handful of darts hand out a truck load of cameras?

Lone Alliance, the SF ships are in Port Angeles and they would not be allowed into the harbor...

Mckagan, Amestria has been jamming all unauthorized transimissions in and out of Torontia (particularly BC) and the BC internet has been disconnected (as BC is no longer conected to the Torontian phone lines)...

Also, how could a handful of darts hand out a truck load of cameras?

The DART's aren't entirely alone. They've still got former TPLA people. Besides, it wasn't like an instant thing, it's supposed to mean spread out. Futhermore, YOU'VE jamed all transmissions out of Torontia, but I can easily just have the video go back to the DART's where they do whatever with it.

Actually I'm just waiting for you to jump the gun first Saint Fedski. I'll post on the 26th and then I'll be off till Jan.

And TLA never thought that Xirnium was pro-Tanakis.
Just give me a reason. Interfere with the upcoming elections (January first real life), spread propaganda about the candidates, accidently attack SF, North Saint Clair, Amestrian, Kahan, or Torontian soldiers. GIVE ME A REASON!!!

Just give me a reason. Interfere with the upcoming elections (January first real life), spread propaganda about the candidates, accidently attack SF, North Saint Clair, Amestrian, Kahan, or Torontian soldiers. GIVE ME A REASON!!!
Hey it's an actual cold war now, it's the 'you go first' thing. You interfere with the Candidates I support, you attack any position outside Torontia

Xirnium, TG.

Responded.

I was wondering if we could pause the RP for a few days for the following reasons.

1. I am behind in responding to several posts and would like to get those out of the way before anymore are added.

2. I am suffering a dearth of ideas and would like a mental break...

3. I am rather depressed (I hate the holidays) and I want to try to end that depression (most likely responsible for my mental fatigue) by breaking my daily routine. Breaking my daily routine would require me to spend far less time on NS (perhaps avoiding computers for several days).

I second the break.

I always get stressed from the Holidays. It's messes up my thoughts.
I'm beginning to just blurt out things that either make no sense or are impossible.
(Heck you should see what I've been posting on other boards, weird stuff.)
So yeah lets have a sanity check for awhile because the more stressed I get the more Noobish I get.

I vote against the break, solely because I needed one earlier and it didn't happen and I ended up getting further behind and I still really have no clue what's going on in some parts.

I ended up getting further behind and I still really have no clue what's going on in some parts.

That sounds like further reason for a break...

If we break, somebody better TG me and tell me when to look back at the thread. Because when I break, I BREAK.

If we break, somebody better TG me and tell me when to look back at the thread. Because when I break, I BREAK.

Ok... although we could kill two birds with one stone by deciding on a specific time-table...

If we break, im launching my counter attacks and some new bombing raids. Then I'll do an amphibious landing and deploy someone Commonwealth forces. in the east of the country, after the elite guards link up with Sniper Country's men and destroy half of Torontia.

I don't mean to be a prick, but I'm just returning the lack of consideration I was shown, sure it slowed down a little...but I could've done that myself using different posts that are specific about the time. So I'm sorry, but I want to get this done so I can get something going with the lone alliance.

If we break, im launching my counter attacks and some new bombing raids. Then I'll do an amphibious landing and deploy someone Commonwealth forces. in the east of the country, after the elite guards link up with Sniper Country's men and destroy half of Torontia.

No, because after I post on the bomber attacks I would like to issue an ultimatium... its just that I need a break from this...

And by break I mean no more posts...(launching such actions before I have a chance to repsond to the bombing raids is a godmod anyway)...

I don't mean to be a prick, but I'm just returning the lack of consideration I was shown, sure it slowed down a little...but I could've done that myself using different posts that are specific about the time. So I'm sorry, but I want to get this done so I can get something going with the lone alliance.

You never asked us to pause it, had you asked us we would have... And the RP slowed down quite a bit (not a little) to take into account your RL computor problems...

As I recall, I encouraged you to "take your time."

If you feel there was a lack of consideration this is the first I'm hearing of it...

(launching such actions before I have a chane to repsond to the bombing raids is a godmod anyway)...

No it isn't, I could just say they were launched with the bomber attacks. The artillery was just a preparation for said attacks anyways.

And I did ask to halt all IC stuff http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10123938&postcount=814 which never happened and which is why i got confused all to hell. So there you have it.

No it isn't, I could just say they were launched with the bomber attacks. The artillery was just a preparation for said attacks anyways.

And I did ask to halt all IC stuff http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10123938&postcount=814 which never happened and which is why i got confused all to hell. So there you have it.

I was not aware of that request... Or I may have interpreted it as halting all IC posts which related to SF (which was done)...

Well this is different, as I am asking for a general pause for reasons of rest... I have been involved in this RP since the begining and have every intention of finishing it, it is just that I am tired...

And since I have to respond to the movements/actions (IC/OOC) of Xirnium, Yallak (who is no longer helping me) Mckagan, SF, SC, Lone Alliance, and others (and deal with them pretty much by myself) I feel I am entitled to a break...

Yes and I have been here since the beginning as welll and having to deal with you, yallak, TLA, Nod, SEA, and the squabble with Xirnium not to mention other threads which became sort of neglected so i could take part in this one while I went to school, worked, got kicked out of my home twice and then my friend whos computer i was using got kicked out. Yet through all of this...I still managed to stay in the RP, so just being tired really isnt that good of an excuse. Sorry. If everyone else agrees to it, fine, but I vote against.

It is not just being tired, it is also the fact I am suffering from Holiday depression and I really want to break my daily routine, perform some other activities, without having to worry about this... At present, this RP feels more drudgery then fun for me, I just do not feel like it… (this is not some fluke, I have felt like this since last week)…

In addition, this RP promises to continue for awhile… Eventually we are going to have to take a break; it might as well be now…

well then, be quite prepared to take a nice...nice slow pace once the break is over. I have plenty of small unit actions i will perform.

Personally I'd like to terminate my major involvement in this RP as soon as possible, so if no one objects I'll press ahead. If Amestria or others are concerned that they need to respond to my posts they can always do them in fluidtime, but I'll structure my storyline so that Amestria's involvement is not so critical to make up for that.

Amestria, just post the results of the bombing and then we will do a limited diplomatic RP where things are returned to normal. You have your zone, I have mine and at a later date, whenever you feel like it, we return to the table to discuss unification. I definitely want to persue combat and relations with the entire commonwealth, just myself (Republic of New McFarland) and North Saint Clair.

Or, if you can post the bombing results, we can work out a ceasefire and I can begin the "hot war" with the Lone Alliance. I was planning a Christmas assault, but the lack of bombing results has postponed that. Hopefully I near year's assault will be in order?

Kahanistan, TG

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Or, if you can post the bombing results, we can work out a ceasefire and I can begin the "hot war" with the Lone Alliance. I was planning a Christmas assault, but the lack of bombing results has postponed that. Hopefully I near year's assault will be in order?

You'll be doing it alone you know, because in this case you're the agressor. And I will blast your ass if you do it. Besides I have twice the population, idiot.

And:
Saint Fedski
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 4.85%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 22%
Military Budget: $329,094,691,200

The Lone Alliance
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 4.64%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 22%
Military Budget: $431,538,142,200

Heck even going against the Black hand:
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 6.07%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 22%
Military Budget: $870,725,856,000
With a Compulsive Military service.

A bigger defense budget, I'll wipe you before you lie you way into making your allies join.

Icly you have no case against me, the land in Alaska is bought and paid for and is completely legal. And I"m not the only nation sick of your war. TSU isn't officially connected with the TLA.

So to quote the popular saying. You attack and.

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME!!!

Why would you do that? Why would you ruin an RP before it even got started? Save your n00king until you're sure you won't win.

Who cares if you have twice the pop? That doesn't mean anything. The Arabs completely outnumbered the Isrealis and got their asses handed to them a bunch of times. Besides, I wouldn't be going alone, the entire commonwealth would be with me. If you have any questions about the commonwealth stay tuned to the forums, there is a conference coming up.

And like I said, if any of your guns are within range of SF units, you have effectively declared war.

No none of them are even near Saint Fedski Umm Look from Anchorage Alaska and you can see that it's more than 300 Miles to the Saint Fedski parts of Torontia, besides ICly you don't even know I have them. They are designed so that the first people that enter my area of land will be leveled by gunfire. Most guns have a range of 20 to even 40 miles, I have them scattered to cover a 300 mile circle WITHIN my area. So it's more like a line 300 miles long and with a range of 50 miles north and south.You seem to forgotten that Alaska is the Largest State in the US. 300 Miles is still in Alaska. Besides in the Cold war there were Machine Guns within range of each other at the Iron Curtain barrier, could that been a justifible reason to invade East Germany? Not really.There are Tanks in South Korea, so should North Korea have the moral high ground to Invade South Korea again? You still have no case.

Of course I know you have them, you cant expect to hide that many troops. As long as your units stay out of range, there is no reason to fight. But as soon as they come within range...all hell will break lose.

I'm going on a vacation with a crappy laptop when I get back I'll draw a map. But there are no TLA units within Range. Let me repeat that. There are No Lone Alliance Soldiers nearby.

The Lone Alliance
Military Budget: $431,538,142,200

Sniper country
Military Budget: $5,071,265,276,712.18

Oh, shall I chuckle to myself?

Personally I'd like to terminate my major involvement in this RP as soon as possible, so if no one objects I'll press ahead. If Amestria or others are concerned that they need to respond to my posts they can always do them in fluidtime, but I'll structure my storyline so that Amestria's involvement is not so critical to make up for that.

You never had major involvement (no troops [at least since your break with SF], no occupation forces, no controled areas, no Torontian puppets), although you have had quite an effect on how things have gone...

Or, if you can post the bombing results, we can work out a ceasefire

Ok...

Posted, thoughts, complaints...

If there's something going down to where there'll be no more shooting, somebody better let my guys know somehow within an IC hour. Otherwise they'll be lighting up Amestrian troops like the Fourth of July.

If there's something going down to where there'll be no more shooting, somebody better let my guys know somehow within an IC hour. Otherwise they'll be lighting up Amestrian troops like the Fourth of July.

If the fighting ends your troops will have no targets unless they make a suicide run at the Amestrian lines...

You never had major involvement (no troops [at least since your break with SF], no occupation forces, no controled areas, no Torontian puppets), although you have had quite an effect on how things have gone...

I mean that I wish to eventually end the major part of my own involvement in the RP, not that my involvement has been major (though it has been influential in some areas).

If you read my post, we're headed directly for an Amestrian checkpoint, somewhere. So, now you can go ahead and call me a Godmoder for making something up.

Saint Fedski, the Amestrian Militaries top leadership sent the Ultimatum... So any agreement on the ceasefire is out of the AOA's hands...

I also dispute the notion that Amestria would lose an all out war...

If you read my post, we're headed directly for an Amestrian checkpoint, somewhere. So, now you can go ahead and call me a Godmoder for making something up.

The Amestrian/SF border is fortified with anti-tank and anti-troop defenses...

OOCly I have no clue where my guys are. They just landed on the coast of Washington State. They have "word" of an Amestrian checkpoint out about 4 miles away, and are headed there to make a harrassment raid. As in, stick to the treeline, light you up, and fall back quickly. Just kill about ten-twenty of your guys, maybe blow a few things up, and make like a fetus and head out. They'll be there in an IC hour. So, you guys tell me what's going on. I'm out of it over here.

OOCly I have no clue where my guys are. They just landed on the coast of Washington State. They have "word" of an Amestrian checkpoint out about 4 miles away, and are headed there to make a harrassment raid. As in, stick to the treeline, light you up, and fall back quickly. Just kill about ten-twenty of your guys, maybe blow a few things up, and make like a fetus and head out. They'll be there in an IC hour. So, you guys tell me what's going on. I'm out of it over here.

I told you they could not land on the coasts because of the naval pressence and coatal defenses... If they landed on the coast they were blown out of the water or shot down like stalks of corn...

They therefore are in Eastern Torontia or dead...

Did you bother, like, reading my post, at all? First, they were in a very small stealth insertion vehicle, like a mini-Seawolf without weapons. They then got out and swam about 20-30 feet to the shore, where there is woodland, undetected. I severely suggest you read my post again, maybe this time sober, or not doped up on pot. Please, for the kittens.

The Torontian coast is not forested, much of Torontia was deforested by Tanakis and the New Order...

And where did that stealth craft come from, I find it hard to believe it could sail accross the Pacific on its own...

I told you before you entered this RP that it would be impossible for your forces to deploy into Western Torontia and I stand behind that.

Your commandos are in Eastern Torontia or they were shot down on the beach (or blown out of the water by a destroyer, take your choice).

I say again, Amestria, read my post. Read about WHERE that craft came from. I blatantly stated where it came from. Maybe this depressive thing has gotten to your ability to read. Maybe you do need a break. I've only known NS to drive one person to suicide... so far...

1. They're buried after being burned, aren't they? And use the OOC thread.

2. Just because the 1LT didn't say explicitly they were burned (which would be common knowledge to anyone on the ground) doesn't mean they weren't.

3. Use the OOC thread.

1. Sorry...

2. They are burned so that there would be nothing left for the pigs to eat (your officer implied they had been buried without being burned)

3. They would be buried in isolated areas, not some farm...

4. Sorry...

I say again, Amestria, read my post. Read about WHERE that craft came from. I blatantly stated where it came from. Maybe this depressive thing has gotten to your ability to read. Maybe you do need a break. I've only known NS to drive one person to suicide... so far...

And the Torontian coast is not forested and is fortified, there was already a coastal raid by Mckagan and after that raid heavy fortifications where put in place... Your forces would have been mowed down by a machine gun nest...

I advised you that they could not land in Western Torontia, only Eastern... So if you intend to stand by that post as far as I am concerned they were all killed after they reached shore...

Also there are four Amestrian submarines off the Torontian coast...

I've only known NS to drive one person to suicide... so far...

Did NS *REALLY* drive someone to suicide? Who? When? Links?

Okay, one, just because you have four subs doesn't mean they automatically kill my one. Tactics, friend. And since you just want to go ahead and prace about like a nitty saying that every square inch of land in Western whatever is protected beyond even God' comprehension, I'd say you and SF need to get together, and decide what's going on. As far as I'm concerned, I'm out of this RP. There's too much BS going on.

What happened to the good days when people made give/take decisions to make RPs fun?

Did NS *REALLY* drive someone to suicide? Who? When? Links?

NS and a few other things. This was way before your time. Back in summer '03.

Okay, one, just because you have four subs doesn't mean they automatically kill my one. Tactics, friend. And since you just want to go ahead and prace about like a nitty saying that every square inch of land in Western whatever is protected beyond even God' comprehension, I'd say you and SF need to get together, and decide what's going on. As far as I'm concerned, I'm out of this RP. There's too much BS going on.

What happened to the good days when people made give/take decisions to make RPs fun?

Amestria/TPG has two million troops, I hold that is a sufficiant amount so that forces could be spared to guard the coasts against raids...(we are talking about the coast of Washington State)

Second, you never contacted me asking me about the specifics of the deployment...

Third, SF and me got together and we know what is going on...

Fourth, you did not even give my subs a chance whether they could detect your stealth sub (stealth is not magic)...

Fifth, ask Mckagan, I have participated in give and take over the special forces issue many times (he got lots of stuff into BC by stealth blimp for example)

2. They are burned so that there would be nothing left for the pigs to eat (your officer implied they had been buried without being burned)

Forensics will still uncover traces of the slain people though.

Two million troops to cover how large an area? There's a lot more to this crap than sticking a few guys in a bunker on the coast and saying, "Guard this area."

I didn't contact because SF said he was. Therefore I assumed you knew what was going on. So apparently, you DON'T know what's going on.

Stealth blimp? Stealth blimp? And I can't get by with a stealth sub that would appear to be like a dolphin on sonar scopes? Not to mention the vehicle bypassed an enoromous fleet of Omzian and CSJ ships during the Omzian War... Wow. Stealth blimp.

Forensics will still uncover traces of the slain people though.

I never said forensics would not uncover traces, just that they were burned... it is a continuity thing...

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OOC: You know, there's one way out of this... [departs]

Two million troops to cover how large an area? There's a lot more to this crap than sticking a few guys in a bunker on the coast and saying, "Guard this area."

I didn't contact because SF said he was. Therefore I assumed you knew what was going on. So apparently, you DON'T know what's going on.

Stealth blimp? Stealth blimp? And I can't get by with a stealth sub that would appear to be like a dolphin on sonar scopes? Not to mention the vehicle bypassed an enoromous fleet of Omzian and CSJ ships during the Omzian War... Wow. Stealth blimp.

Two million troops spread out over Western Torontia and BC (I have posted specific deployments on the IC thread and this OOC thread)...

SF never contacted me on the issue of your commando forces landing in Western Torontia... In all due respect you don't know what is going on either...

And I never said my subs would stop it, its just that you assumed it to be unstopable...never mind, that issue is irrelevent anyway...

OOC: You know, there's one way out of this... [departs]

Indeed. Consider my troops never having landed. You boys have fun. [departs]

Indeed. Consider my troops never having landed. You boys have fun. [departs]

Or you could just edit the post so they are instead flown into Olympia where they can take pot shots at the advancing Amestrian forces... They can be flown into SF Torontia without any trouble...

Note: Olympia would be pitch black during Night as it was hit with an EMP bomb...

Or you could just edit the post so they are instead flown into Olympia where they can take pot shots at the advancing Amestrian forces... They can be flown into SF Torontia without any trouble...

Note: Olympia would be pitch black during Night as it was hit with an EMP bomb...

The point of getting my guys in this RP was to hit tactical points for Amestrian forces. Therefore, we'd have to get INTO Amestrian territory. Which, could be done, rather easily/cleverly, but you'd probably hit me with your 2-million troops in an instant.

Note: Hardening electrical equipment is rather easy these days. You could simply take the generator set from the AN/TSQ-198 TTCS and power just about whatever you really needed.

The point of getting my guys in this RP was to hit tactical points for Amestrian forces. Therefore, we'd have to get INTO Amestrian territory. Which, could be done, rather easily/cleverly, but you'd probably hit me with your 2-million troops in an instant.


Olympia is semi no mans land at present, I am sure that there are plenty of tactical points for your forces to hit...