NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Now that area has a lot of history behind it in AMW......

Thailand, Laos and Cambodia were once parts of a nation called Marimaia, which wound up with influence over Burma, Malaysia and (for a short time) Vietnam before collapsing in on itself.

I'd love to see someone else occupy that area; since my departure from Southeast Asia, the former Marimaia was talked about a lot but no-one really did anything about it. Now though, the area's gained new interest from the existing nations.

Anyhoo, if you get the endorsements you need, then I'll be more than happy to give you my info on Marimaia's military, the politics, economy and all that sort of thing; that way you can tie the birth of your nation into past AMW events.

Thanks for your help (hopefully)

Hey, Great idea, I was hoping to claim some land before this fills up, I was hoping for Brazil.

population:174,469,000

What is the position of Germany? This is kind of an issue as most of the UK Army is based there in RL and I would like to know whether this would still be the case in AMW.

What is the position of Germany? This is kind of an issue as most of the UK Army is based there in RL and I would like to know whether this would still be the case in AMW.
I think we assume NPC governments are the same as in RL, except for certain places.

I think we assume NPC governments are the same as in RL, except for certain places.

Is it an NPC?

Is it an NPC?
Indeed it is.

While Germany is indeed an NPC, I'd advise caution in terms of assuming RL basing and military presence, as it transforms what ought to be a neutral NPC state awaiting a player to claim it, into a participant in the politics of AMW.

Can I play as Iran?
The population is about 69,018,000.

Can I play as Iran?
The population is about 69,018,000.
Hey, Great idea, I was hoping to claim some land before this fills up, I was hoping for Brazil.

population:174,469,000

You need
1. An RP sample
2. to realise that AMW is a full time, realistic community. Not a random land claim, etc.
3. Two approvals by AMW members
4. An explanation of how you want to run your country

I've sort of updated the second post on the first page, a bit, but I'm mildy drunk and it may be a mess :)

I'd be inclined to support Hrstrovokia if he can find a place, but the other person interested in Eire has signed up to Xiaguo's offsite forum (which isn't obligatory... I haven't bothered), which makes me wonder if he might be serious about his place.

There's quite the influx of interested parties here, eh? We don't have the staff for this!

I've sort of updated the second post on the first page, a bit, but I'm mildy drunk and it may be a mess :)


Don't incite me to drink, please. :p

I've sort of updated the second post on the first page, a bit, but I'm mildy drunk and it may be a mess :)

I'd be inclined to support Hrstrovokia if he can find a place, but the other person interested in Eire has signed up to Xiaguo's offsite forum (which isn't obligatory... I haven't bothered), which makes me wonder if he might be serious about his place.

There's quite the influx of interested parties here, eh? We don't have the staff for this!
Hey, you haven't added Nigeria and Kazakhstan to my possessions! See what alcohol does to you?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414057
Sino, Taiwan, and Xiaguo unites. China is united within decades.

IC, explanation of the Founding of the Empire of China and the Coronation and Participants.
Preparations for the celebration and the crowning of the new emperor, who was chosen from Taiwan, Zhang Fu Guo will soon be reality. All nations of the Modern World are welcomed to attend the coronation which includes a world-wide conference which till target Asian affairs. The New Emperor of more than 2 billion Chinese, leader of 10 million armed men and women.

It is advised to attend, we take the efforts in diplomacy very seriously. China is also seeking recognition of the new government.

The Constitutional Monarchy of China, or the more commonly known, Empire of China have already set up a temporary ruling council. Further government planning has already been finished and wrapped up at the Taipei Conference.

General Liu is now truly the Modern Generalissimo of China, now obtaining the leadership of all armies; including the airforce, and navy with the exception of the Xiannese Proper Militia forces.

Chancellor Yeh of Xiaguo is now the Chancellor of China and will be in charge of all domestic and foreign Affairs.



Chancellor Yeh has authorized invitations to BG, Dra-Pol, East Islandia, Quintonnia, and LRR despite tensions between these nations and the former Chinese states. Yeh also wishes to establish trade not only renewing the Xiaguo-Dra-Pol Trade System, but also wishes to promote Chinese-Korean trade. Yeh also wishes to have Chinese-Indian Talks concerning the military aggression at the borders. The Chinese also wishes to establish contact with both Quintonnia and East Islandia.

A similiar story, Japan is also undergoing reforms and Yeh has personally invited the new government of Japan in an effort to renew trade and diplomatic cooperation bewtween the two East Asian powers.

The Lyong Nations, great allies of Xiaguo are also invited in an attempt to ease tensions of the Sinoese unification. The Xiannese government has talked over with Taiwanese and SInoese counterparts and are very supportive on a Democratic and peaceful nations.

"Glide like a Butterfly, Sting like a Bee" Pamper China, and you will Win, annoy China, and you Lose.

1. Thailand and Laos. (Or Thailand if can't have both)

2. I want to direct Thailand and Laos into a modern day Japanese System. By that I mean in a technology direction with a slight agriculture standpoint. The goverment will be a semi communist and semi democracy (meaning We let the General Populace have freedom and choice to a extent) with its citizens loyal to their country and their leader. I also want us to expand our borders with a few specific intrests in mind.

3. I haven't done much RPing with Union of Russia but Im soon Roleplay Peacekeeping forces in Thomasien and I also hope to lead a Peace Conferance to end the fighting.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8730828#post8730828

Thanks.

Do I have any endorsements from AMW members? Please?

I'll give you an endorsement, contingent on Marimaian commentary: as his nation formerly occupied those terrtories, he is likely the best judge of wether your new state could fit into that context.

Though, given your possible desire for territorial expansion... that area of the world is looked over by several powers. Burma and Vietnam can count on substantial support from the nations of the Indian Subcontinent in the event of attack, in the north the massive military machine of Sino guards the Chinese border, and has proven in the past willing to strike in total war against threats to China, and from Singapore the former imperialist power of Bonstock is advancing up to sieze Malaysia as we speak. It'd be nice to have an RPer in place in the area, but the politics you'd be jumping in to are.... complicated at best.

Do you have another example of RP? That thread is mediocre at best.

OOC: Hey, Quinntonia... You haven't got Vanuatu or Socotra on the Roycelandian list yet...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414057
Sino, Taiwan, and Xiaguo unites. China is united within decades.

IC, explanation of the Founding of the Empire of China and the Coronation and Participants.
Preparations for the celebration and the crowning of the new emperor, who was chosen from Taiwan, Zhang Fu Guo will soon be reality. All nations of the Modern World are welcomed to attend the coronation which includes a world-wide conference which till target Asian affairs. The New Emperor of more than 2 billion Chinese, leader of 10 million armed men and women.

It is advised to attend, we take the efforts in diplomacy very seriously. China is also seeking recognition of the new government.

The Constitutional Monarchy of China, or the more commonly known, Empire of China have already set up a temporary ruling council. Further government planning has already been finished and wrapped up at the Taipei Conference.

General Liu is now truly the Modern Generalissimo of China, now obtaining the leadership of all armies; including the airforce, and navy with the exception of the Xiannese Proper Militia forces.

Chancellor Yeh of Xiaguo is now the Chancellor of China and will be in charge of all domestic and foreign Affairs.



Chancellor Yeh has authorized invitations to BG, Dra-Pol, East Islandia, Quintonnia, and LRR despite tensions between these nations and the former Chinese states. Yeh also wishes to establish trade not only renewing the Xiaguo-Dra-Pol Trade System, but also wishes to promote Chinese-Korean trade. Yeh also wishes to have Chinese-Indian Talks concerning the military aggression at the borders. The Chinese also wishes to establish contact with both Quintonnia and East Islandia.

A similiar story, Japan is also undergoing reforms and Yeh has personally invited the new government of Japan in an effort to renew trade and diplomatic cooperation bewtween the two East Asian powers.

The Lyong Nations, great allies of Xiaguo are also invited in an attempt to ease tensions of the Sinoese unification. The Xiannese government has talked over with Taiwanese and SInoese counterparts and are very supportive on a Democratic and peaceful nations.

"Glide like a Butterfly, Sting like a Bee" Pamper China, and you will Win, annoy China, and you Lose.
Wait...2 billion? Last time I checked, wasn't china's population 1.3 billion?

Hey, must say i am very appreciative of the responses given to my interest in the group, anyway im going to wait and see if the person whose already taken Ireland will indeed Rp as them, if they dont within a month or so then id be ready to step in, provided i was allowed. Otherwise i'll just pick another nation.

OOC: Personally, I could see Union of Russia's idea for Thailand working. I mean, there'd be a power vacuum with the departure of the NeoSuunists, and it's highly likely that a 'strongman' could step in to organise the chaos. A native Thai leader could be able to tap into the wave of nationalism which brought about Marimaia's collapse, bringing a 'Thai system of government' to a nation which was until recently ruled by the son of a Japanese exile, who attempted to replace Thai, Laotian and Cambodian national pride with 'Marimaian' national pride. It would be similar to the way Mohammed Kalla tried to build a reborn Indonesia.

AMW Thailand has some pretty good modern infrastructure already in place and the basis of a good economy; they'd also have the bulk of the military equipment left behind after the collapse.

As Spyr already stated, the chances of territorial gain aren't that good. Laos and Cambodia are probably also asserting their independence at present, and would be difficult to defeat when you factor in probable Beddgelen support for them. The other neighbours were covered in Spyr's post.

As Spyr already stated, the chances of territorial gain aren't that good. Laos and Cambodia are probably also asserting their independence at present, and would be difficult to defeat when you factor in probable Beddgelen support for them. The other neighbours were covered in Spyr's post.

OOC: Not to mention the Chinese on the border.

I meant 1.3 billion, of course, might be a little bit higher in number since Taiwan is now part of the big hina family.

Taiwan has 700 million people?

It would be a fun challenge.

I would like to see a few more examples of an rp before we fully accept Union of Russia into the modern world

Sure just give me some time to find a RP I fit comfortably in.

Taiwan has 700 million people?

OOC: Darn, must be a lot of illegal aliens in Taiwan.

OOC: i looked at this thred a long time back like when it was started but didnt have time right now i dont want to read threw all of this but i would like to know two things

1. is this a thred for the RP or is it just some kind of sine up thred

2. if its not to late i would like to take spain

OOC: i looked at this thred a long time back like when it was started but didnt have time right now i dont want to read threw all of this but i would like to know two things

1. is this a thred for the RP or is it just some kind of sine up thred

2. if its not to late i would like to take spain

This is a sign up thread, Spain is taken, also please use spell check.

When I say a little, I mean 27 million. Stop it Russia, or I'll have to take you out of the phonebook. Muwhahaha...

I changed my mind about being Ireland, if it's at all possible, i'd like to play as Mongolia. It doesnt appear to be taken, and it's right in the centre of Asia, bordered by real players on all sides. I think I could take that and make current things a bit more interesting, and I'm ready to show you some of my plans.

You need
1. An RP sample
2. to realise that AMW is a full time, realistic community. Not a random land claim, etc.
3. Two approvals by AMW members
4. An explanation of how you want to run your country

1. Does this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394307) work?

2. Yes, I know.

3. Uhm, if anyone here wants to...

4. I'd like to run it sort of like the Shah ran Iran, kind of autocratically.

I changed my mind about being Ireland, if it's at all possible, i'd like to play as Mongolia. It doesnt appear to be taken, and it's right in the centre of Asia, bordered by real players on all sides. I think I could take that and make current things a bit more interesting, and I'm ready to show you some of my plans.

Mongolia is part of China once again.

1. Does this work?

2. Yes, I know.

3. Uhm, if anyone here wants to...

4. I'd like to run it sort of like the Shah ran Iran, kind of autocratically.

1. Yes
3. Having known you as an established RPer for quite a while even though we have not interacted, I'll approve you.

/me sobs pathetically to himself...

Alright, where is there an opening?

I will guarentee for Hrstrovokia as well. His meddlings with pre-AMW Lusaka and my own country(that is, African Commonwealth, not Neo-Anarchos) were realistic and in good form.

Hmm... well, I know Mexico is open, as is pretty much all of Central America (though Quinntonia holds Panama's canal militarily).

Central/eastern europe has several openings: Germany (I think), Poland, the Balkans (though Greece is taken), plus Austria, Hungary, Romania (Estenlands is the Ukraine and Lavrageria is Belarus, however). Portugal is free, though next to an increasingly imperial Spain... hmm... I'm unclear on Scandinavia at the moment...

Africa is a bit confusing as above the Sahara there is a pending application and expanding imperialism, while below it the open areas would be better outlined by an ex-SSA nation, as it is home to quite a few nations/colonial holdings.

Asia is relatively full... there are a few islands free in the Indonesian archipelago (Borneo, Sulawesi, plus Aceh on the tip of Sumatra), and the former Marimaian sphere (I think Cambodia and Burma are available, and Malaysia is being invaded by Bonstock currently). There is also Vietnam. However, all these have NPC AMW histories which would have to be taken into account. There are also the '-stans'.... Kazakhstan and Pakistan are ocupied, but the others remain open

There may be areas still open in India, but I don't think so, and im unsure if East Islandia had included new zealand in their claim.

South America has some open states, though I'm not exactly sure which ones... I THINK Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, and Paraguay remain open.

Off the top of my head, thats al I can think of, but I'm sure I've made errors which others will hopefully correct.

Excellent, I'll check up on Burma, Cambodia & Vietnam and see what kind of roleplay i might be able to do with them.

Well, each of those states also has an AMW life-of-its-own, so to speak.

Vietnam is... well, its what it is in real life, save that the government recieves some support from Beth Gellert. Nothing that couldnt shift or change there.

Burma was in its RL state until some time ago, when its neighbour Marimaia launched an attack that was joined by several other nations, overthrowing the military junta there and replacing it with a 'guided democracy' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356502)... Marimaia later collapsed, freeing Burma to belcome a fully independant democratic state. Most recently, there have been some issues along the border with China (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413637).

Cambodia was formerly part of Marimaia, before that state collapsed and was replaced with regional states (Laos, Thailand, and Cambodia). Marimaia should be able to outline that countries AMW past.

Yep, any questions on SE Asia, just ask me.

If you do take to Vietnam, Hrstrovokia, I'll go along with whatever direction you want to take it. BG presently has quite a lot of agents and aid workers on the ground there, largely trying to push leftist ideals (and to us that means something approaching anarchism rather than authoritarian socialism), so we'd support that sort of system, but if you don't wish to go that way, they can always fail horribly :)

I've done some study on Vietnam, and I think if it's acceptable that i will roleplay as them. Vietnam will continue as the Socialist Republic, though free market reforms will progress but not down the same path as the People's Republic of China has chosen [no sweatshops for me], but attempting to stay true to the most basic principles of Communism. I've no problem with BG agents & aid workers, but any attempt to initiate change or deviate from the Socialism that is prescribed by Hanoi will result in a conflict of interests ... oh er!

hey parthians, you've got my vote. I like your writing style and think that Iran would fill a very big hole in the AMW middle east.

also, dear god I hope you've either got some improvements for workers in the works, or a damn good secret police, because your country seems like a hellhole to live in!

If its still needed then the Parthians also has my endorsment. Even though its been a while since I have had the patience to read through one of his rp's, I believe that he would play the role of Iran very well.

Can someone fill me in on who owns what pacific islands? I'm planning a royal tour of the poorer islands, perhaps Tonga and Nauru.

Can anyone endorse me? I only need one more. If I get endorse since I had no RP sample I'd gladly be placed on a 3 week probation? Coz I really cannot find any wars near the beginning.

What other nations have you played besides Union of Russia? I might recognize them, and if I do I'll consider endorsing you.

Oh, and people, USE THE AMW FORUMS!! They're at http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?act=idx if you didn't know, and if we put as much in them as we do in NS, we'll have a ripe resource of national factbooks, militaries, cultural info and the like that will enhance our RP no end! At least, that's the general idea. If, for a start, we get all AMW players to put just one post in there, we could do really cool things with it.

I would like to formally submit my application to participate as Vietnam. Vote for me and recieve -

x1 Fluffly Kitten
x2 Cakes
x3 Hugs

Cheers.

I would like to formally submit my application to participate as Vietnam. Vote for me and recieve -

x1 Fluffly Kitten
x2 Cakes
x3 Hugs

Cheers.

You have my vote.

Not that I want to seem overly keen for hugs or kittens, but yeah, mine too.


I think I'll call my kitten Bastard.

If there was any kind of doubt, I have also approved Hrostrovokia.

I would like to formally submit my application to participate as Vietnam. Vote for me and recieve -

x1 Fluffly Kitten
x2 Cakes
x3 Hugs

Cheers.

If you pick Vietnam, you'll be thrown right in the deep end. Bonstock (Singapore) has called for an invasion of other SE Asian nations. Looks like your Vietnam's on their menu as well. (BTW, I RP China's Army, Marines, Aerospace and WMDs.)

What other nations have you played besides Union of Russia? I might recognize them, and if I do I'll consider endorsing you.

Oh, and people, USE THE AMW FORUMS!! They're at http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?act=idx if you didn't know, and if we put as much in them as we do in NS, we'll have a ripe resource of national factbooks, militaries, cultural info and the like that will enhance our RP no end! At least, that's the general idea. If, for a start, we get all AMW players to put just one post in there, we could do really cool things with it.

I also played as a nation called Maldaathi. I have seen you places but I don't know if we ever RP'd. Maldaathi has a billion pop+ and 300+ posts. But don't take to much notice of SOME of the RP's as I have gotten to be a better Roleplayer with experiance.

I also played as a nation called Maldaathi. I have seen you places but I don't know if we ever RP'd. Maldaathi has a billion pop+ and 300+ posts. But don't take to much notice of SOME of the RP's as I have gotten to be a better Roleplayer with experiance.

I faintly remember Maldaathi, and consequently you have my endorsement.

This thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8774675#post8774675) is of significance in the looong over-due settling of India's AMW geography, in case anyone's interested. Sure, it still leaves Sikkim and everything east of (and including) Bangladesh, but there'll be more players.

I remember you The Macabees. And I believe thats 2 endorsements. :)

Union of Russia>> I both play African Commonwealth, Red Scandinavia and Neo-Anarchos, if those ring a bell. We all get better with time, and I think you deserve the chance to show us, so consider yourself approved(if necessary).

*runs in circles yelling 'The two sweetest words... A-PPROVED! A-PROOVED!'*

*runs in circles yelling 'The two sweetest words... A-PPROVED! A-PROOVED!'*

Welcome to the club; feel free to telegram me for any info you need about Thailand's former status.

Telegram sent.

Was anyone previously in control of Vietnam?

Was anyone previously in control of Vietnam?


No, but it was beginning to become influenced by Marimaia before that nation collapsed. They had backed a leadership challenge in the government, I think, but to be honest the Beddgelens hadn't really been too keen, and since the Marimaian collapse had been working in country to build-up Vietnamese unions and soviets, but nobody was actually controlling Vietnam. Basically it had had most of the same history as in reality, except that the authoritarian and libertarian left had been competing as the main external influence instead of capitalists being dominant in pushing their reforms.

I expect that the last couple of months have seen Beddgelen agents and diplomats making a big point about the French -Vietnam's former colonial masters- and their stated aims to re-take their empire.

If you choose to lean to the democratic left, BG will be a natural ally. If you go more authoritarian, perhaps Dra-pol, which I believe sent aid to the Viet Minh during the war (which was probably totally different in this reality with the US of Quinntonia and all, I'm not sure).


Orrr, short answer to your question, "No." :)

Does anybody know the story of KAL 007, the Korean Air Lines Boeing 747 taht vanished en-route to Seoul in 1983? If so, would anyone wish to do an Rp based on that? We could use the original setting (Sea of Okhotsk, Japan, Russia, Kuril Islands, that area) or we could move it somewhere else.

http://www.rescue007.org/story.htm

No, but it was beginning to become influenced by Marimaia before that nation collapsed. They had backed a leadership challenge in the government, I think, but to be honest the Beddgelens hadn't really been too keen, and since the Marimaian collapse had been working in country to build-up Vietnamese unions and soviets, but nobody was actually controlling Vietnam. Basically it had had most of the same history as in reality, except that the authoritarian and libertarian left had been competing as the main external influence instead of capitalists being dominant in pushing their reforms.

I expect that the last couple of months have seen Beddgelen agents and diplomats making a big point about the French -Vietnam's former colonial masters- and their stated aims to re-take their empire.

If you choose to lean to the democratic left, BG will be a natural ally. If you go more authoritarian, perhaps Dra-pol, which I believe sent aid to the Viet Minh during the war (which was probably totally different in this reality with the US of Quinntonia and all, I'm not sure).


Orrr, short answer to your question, "No." :)


You could probably count Hindustan as a friend too.

No, but it was beginning to become influenced by Marimaia before that nation collapsed. They had backed a leadership challenge in the government, I think, but to be honest the Beddgelens hadn't really been too keen, and since the Marimaian collapse had been working in country to build-up Vietnamese unions and soviets, but nobody was actually controlling Vietnam. Basically it had had most of the same history as in reality, except that the authoritarian and libertarian left had been competing as the main external influence instead of capitalists being dominant in pushing their reforms.

I expect that the last couple of months have seen Beddgelen agents and diplomats making a big point about the French -Vietnam's former colonial masters- and their stated aims to re-take their empire.

If you choose to lean to the democratic left, BG will be a natural ally. If you go more authoritarian, perhaps Dra-pol, which I believe sent aid to the Viet Minh during the war (which was probably totally different in this reality with the US of Quinntonia and all, I'm not sure).


Orrr, short answer to your question, "No." :)

Depending on your goverment im sure you could also count your neighbour of Thailand to also ally with you.

Well, as much as I hate to do this, real life issues are making it nearly impossible to continue being in A modern World. I am sorry that I took up your time, but I barely have the time to run one country.

So, I suppose Greece is an open country again.

Are there any volunteers to referee the Bonstock war thread? Preferably someone with military knowledge. Spyr?

I was wondering if I should begin to use the nation of Maldaathi in my AMW RPing posts as it might be a bit confusing to have a nation called Union of Russia controlling a nation called Thailand :rolleyes:

I'll referee if you cant find anyone else

I was wondering if I should begin to use the nation of Maldaathi in my AMW RPing posts as it might be a bit confusing to have a nation called Union of Russia controlling a nation called Thailand :rolleyes:

I suppose you could, although I don't really think it matters much.

May I claim the area of Israel? Population 6.5 mil, but obviously none of the current situation please - Israel as it should have been if it was New Klatch, rather than Israel as it is.

I checked the thread, no one else has claimed it.

I am aware of the fact that I am a totally new player, but I'm not intending to declare war on half the world for no reason, as I wouldn't do that as head of a rl country, and I will be interested in fine detailing my rp with characters and detailed story telling.

I hope O&I comes back soon....

We have to finalise Japan. He said he'd be back around the 24th April, so hopefully he shouldn't be too much longer. If he doesn't get back soon, his nation could get deleted from inactivity.

May I claim the area of Israel? Population 6.5 mil, but obviously none of the current situation please - Israel as it should have been if it was New Klatch, rather than Israel as it is.

I checked the thread, no one else has claimed it.

I am aware of the fact that I am a totally new player, but I'm not intending to declare war on half the world for no reason, as I wouldn't do that as head of a rl country, and I will be interested in fine detailing my rp with characters and detailed story telling.

Even though I'm a quarter Israeli (on my grandfather's side) and I would love to see an Israel without constant war, it concerns me to have an Israel in modern war with no Palestinian problem. It would throw off the entire aura of anti-Westernism in the North African problems, including in Algeria and Morocco.

However, it turns out Algeria seems like it willingly converted to Christianity. So, my worries may be inconsequential. Nonetheless, I plan to have some Islamic tension in Morocco, and have already adressed the issue ICly.

Well, I'll let BG and Spyr speak since they have better things than me to say.

Well, from the way I read the beginning of the thread it appeared that it is meant to be a different country (New Klatch), existing at the location of the of the old country (Israel).

The problem is, the Israel/Palestine problem is larger than just a war on borders, it tends towards the Jew/Muslim conflict.

Also, taking Israel "as is" will force the countries round it to take their current rl standings towards it (whether peace or hostility).

I think the way to solve the problem is by building the history of new klatch, and telling the story of when and where it separated from the current time line.

Well, I see no reason to object to your joining, in theory. There may be some dissagreements on specifics... United Elias had friendly relations with Israel and Sino RPed assuming Israeli-Chinese arms connections as in RL, so there may be a few details where others have something to say. Just give us an outline of New-Klatch-in-Israel's divergence and structure.

Sounds like a good way to go about it, New Klatch. I know I used the same method(having the nations I used being their usual self until a certain point where I "broke off" with new government and some times cooperation or expansion with or on the neighbouring land). If your proposal for New Klatch is decent and realistic you'll have my approval.

Does anybody know the story of KAL 007, the Korean Air Lines Boeing 747 taht vanished en-route to Seoul in 1983? If so, would anyone wish to do an Rp based on that? We could use the original setting (Sea of Okhotsk, Japan, Russia, Kuril Islands, that area) or we could move it somewhere else.

If memory serves correctly, it didn't "Vanish", it was shot down by the Soviets.... I've got an article on it in a book around here somewhere...

KAL 007 was shot down by an Su-15 Flagon in 1983 for being 400 miles North of planned course.

New Klatch, United Elias has already had dealings with NPC Israel as has Sabir etc, and the idea of Israel existing as is, is fairly crucial to Near East politics. I advise you to read the UE factbook for more information and look at this link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393928

This one may be relevant as well:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391477

Understood United Elias.

Am creating Fact Book that will coincide with the threads allready posted, but with slight modifications from reality.

Hope it will be OK with you...

by the way, I believe your signature should be:
הרודנות הפדראלית של אליאס המאוחדת

I heartily encourage ALL new players, as well as all the old ones really, to USE THE AMW FORUM! The link can be found in various AMW threads as well as in the factbook for the A Modern World region.

If every AMW player posts just once in the forums, with a factbook for example, we'd have a great resource for future RP.

Regards,
Tias.

Understood United Elias.

Am creating Fact Book that will coincide with the threads allready posted, but with slight modifications from reality.

Hope it will be OK with you...

by the way, I believe your signature should be:
הרודנות הפדראלית של אליאס המאוחדת

Thanks for the correction!

I would welcome an Israel that is moderate and freindly, and if you have any queries about the state of AMW Middle East, then by all means please telegram me.

hahah, or TG me for the state of the modern middle east- you don't just want old United Elias's one-sided side of things! :p

If memory serves correctly, it didn't "Vanish", it was shot down by the Soviets.... I've got an article on it in a book around here somewhere...

Perhaps for the purposes of the suggested RP, it would be more exciting if it "vanished". Therefore international intrigue could result.

But ah, I get ahead of myself and my ideas fall on busy people. Thank you for listening to me and if you wish to RP, please TG me.

Sounds like a good way to go about it, New Klatch. I know I used the same method(having the nations I used being their usual self until a certain point where I "broke off" with new government and some times cooperation or expansion with or on the neighbouring land). If your proposal for New Klatch is decent and realistic you'll have my approval.

Aye, mine too.

Of course, although I role play as a Catholic nation, I would have cordial relations with Israel as well, regardless of the history of your nation. My Israeli nationalism, although not nominally Jewish in the real world, is just too high to ignore in this role play.

Having recieved the two endorsements required, is it safe to assume control of Vietnam and properly begin?

Yes.

*Sings - It's Gonna Be Me by Nsync*

I'll add a third endorsement, just for good measure!

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/314208/2/Approved_Stamp.jpg

OOC: Now, just to make sure Hanoi doesnt find itself re-colonized into French Indochina...

OOC: Or Roycelandian Indochina, for that matter... Has rather a nice ring to it, don't you think? :D

Oh Roycelandia, keep colonizing as yolu will.

*Waits until Roycelandia overstretches military, imagines Parliamentary monitors in Port Royal Harbor*

Update: Sorry for no intro post. I am currently in the process of writing one up and I have recently had some internet problems. Expect it within days.

hahah, or TG me for the state of the modern middle east- you don't just want old United Elias's one-sided side of things! :p

Or your one sided view...ask me. The Turks.

Or your one sided view...ask me. The Turks.

Yafor, this thread concerns you, perhaps you could post here?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391477

Okay, I gather that there are situations in need of resolution, mainly that of Japan's management, as it were.

I think that it's fair to say that O&I, perfectly decent role player though he may be (for all I know), can't really provide AMW with its Japan. People are treating DNK as the new Japan anyway, and he's asked if I as a founding member would put some sort of semi-official stamp on the control of Japan being his... I don't imagine that anyone's going to disagree?

I think that it'd be right to say that DNK is the resident Japan from this point on. If anyone has a problem with that they can raise it and we'll work it out as we go along.

That'll do, eh?

Good, good.

Aye! Sure, O&I couldn't show show up, so it is only benificial to have DNK fill in the position.



By the way, Dra-Pol, mind opening free trade between the China's and North Korea?

Well, I can't really say much about Dra-pol's near future, at the moment, due to, well, it would probably be best to keep an eye on this thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417771

Yeah, O&I has passed the set return date by a bit of a margin, so it might be best to complete the transfer. However, in case O&I does decide on a return later, Marmy/DNK you wouldn't object to leaving open the possibility of a Ringist revival occuring small-scale on the Izu peninsula?

If O&I comes back, i don't think he deserves to take back the position of Japan and should seek another country.

No objections....that RP has been held up for far too long.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418616

Since 'Yamato Never Dies' is pretty much dead, I've started the new Japan with an intro-style RP. As for O&I, if he comes back then we'll discuss the matter when he returns.

i would like to join, and i claim antarctica.
i am no godmoder, and although new to NS i RP quite a bit on other forums so i'm not a n00b.
since antarctica has no significant population, i would like the population of a similar sized continent. If i cant have antarctica for whatever reason, i put my secondary claim at Greenland and my tertiary claim at Iceland (not the supermarket).

Oh Roycelandia, keep colonizing as you will.

*Waits until Roycelandia overstretches military, imagines Parliamentary monitors in Port Royal Harbor*

Before that happens, you'll have to fight your way past the Roycelandian Caribbean Fleet and the IRNS Red Dwarf, the world's largest Battleship- it's bigger than the Bismarck, the Yamato, or anything else anyone in AMW has.

The last person who suggested that His Majesty might be over-compensating for something by having an Uber-Battleship found themselves deported to the Kisaka Island Penal Colony so fast they left a dustcloud as the Men In Cars With Tinted Windows hauled them off...

It all really depends since Antartica is empty. Maybe we can allow you to have a coastal empire of some sort..but..how would it fit the "MODERN WORLD" I don't know.

Before that happens, you'll have to fight your way past the Roycelandian Caribbean Fleet and the IRNS Red Dwarf, the world's largest Battleship- it's bigger than the Bismarck, the Yamato, or anything else anyone in AMW has.

Sounds like a bomb magnet to me. :p

For the record I have no problem with DNK taking Japan. I have returned, but, as has been pointed out substantially later than I'd said (and planned to be honest), and I realise it isn't fair to hold everything up for one person. Frankly, right now I can't guarantee the sort of level of regular creative activity that a country like that demands.

I would however like to remain part of AMW, although on a smaller scale, since I agree with the general philosophy of this group and would quite like to get into RP again when time permits. At this stage, I am not sure of the details (i.e. where the hell I will locate) but hopefully something can be worked out.

For the record I have no problem with DNK taking Japan. I have returned, but, as has been pointed out substantially later than I'd said (and planned to be honest), and I realise it isn't fair to hold everything up for one person. Frankly, right now I can't guarantee the sort of level of regular creative activity that a country like that demands.

I would however like to remain part of AMW, although on a smaller scale, since I agree with the general philosophy of this group and would quite like to get into RP again when time permits. At this stage, I am not sure of the details (i.e. where the hell I will locate) but hopefully something can be worked out.

You'll find a few new suggestions in your TGs; I'm sure something can be done to keep you around in one form or another.

Thanks DNK...I really appreciate all your help.

Could some very nice person please direct me to the latest list of available land? I have absolutley no idea what is occupied/vacant these days.

Um...Europe is very open still. We still have Mexico, and seems like we need a new Canda since Hudecia told me he would leave Nationstates for a very very long time. Brazil is open, I think.

I dont know whats open in Europe, but I know whats taken (and active, the ones listed to have a few countries I have never seen post once):

France-me
Italy-Doomingsland
Spain-Maccabees
Ukraine (Estenlands)-Estenlands
UK-British Federation


That leaves some rather large openings in Europe, Germany-Poland-Denmark and such.

Most of Eastern Europe is open...But you'll have to deal with a massive Russo-Ukrainian invasion...

Heh, sorry AC, dont worry, your in Europe too. I know Russians have a thing about that...

Wow, germany's not taken. I mean, take Germany. If Germany and the surounding nations unite to fight the Russians, and possibly the French, then they are bound to crush them. Of course, acording to the treaty, China will not assist the Russians nor French if they were th ones who have started the war as part of the Defensice Assistance Mutual Defense Agreement.

I doubt Germans coming in will "crush" us. I have the full military might of Ukraine, Russia, and Kazakhstan on my side, after all. And I know the Chinese won't send troops. I just need the defensive pact as a deterrence to BG launching an attack on the Russian mainland.

I must agree, if Germany so much as lifted a finger against the Holy Leauge she would be invaided from at least three fronts.

If anything, a new coming Germany would have to play her cards with the greatest sensitivity. I must admit, however, it all depends on the type of Germany were are talking about, its a huge land with a varied history as we all know.

Sounds like a bomb magnet to me. :p

It also has the finest Anti-Aircraft, Anti-Submarine, and Anti-Shipping devices known to mankind as well, for this very reason... :-P

Germany is a very advanced country and because of historical value, China will surely be 100% backing this country anytime.

May I note that all ties established between Xiaguo and the Holy League should not be considered due to the fact that the Chinas have unfied, and there is no such government of Xiaguo left. The current government frowns on such 'Holy' League, but will remain at peace with their European partners.

A Germany claim would probably not be a great idea, seeing as how you said yourself that you will not be able to play very often. So, choosing a powerful industrialised nation that would be deeply affected by every Holy League move would most likely not be your thing.
Tsar Wingert I.

Latvia! Latvia! Fight the power!

[Sorry... probably not a good idea if you want to keep playing a nation past June. But who out there wouldnt enjoy seeing play out the romantic struggle of the Zemessadze against the imperial invaders?]

How about playing a communist Paraguay? I could use a little support down below the Equator... ;)

Hmm...a lot to think about

Estenlands: Yes, that was my conclusion. Germany is basically a European Japan, so not really what I'm looking for right now.

Neo-A: Sorry, communist governments aren't really my scene; My tendency is to play small, frightening autocratic regimes hiding behind a mask of rationality and civility :)

Spyr: Tempting, but...;)

Right, a few suggestions/questions:

Looking back through the thread, I notice that the island of Borneo was possibly vacant a while ago, albeit with the requirement to work from an existing history. Is that still the case? The reason I ask is that I actually have a nation called Negara Sarawak, have played a rogue state in north Borneo in the past, and even launched a Ringist coup in Sarawak for HPs thread ages ago...besides, I prefer playing newly established nations to ones with a long constructed history anyway.

Secondly, a probably less ideal, while the whole of Germany is out of the question, might it be possible to just have the Saarland region. This would probably be an invitation to get gobbled up quickly a la Latvia, but it could be amusing all the same...

A frightening autocratic regime in Sarawak, well UE is gonna love you...(he owns Brunei BTW)...

We're gonna have to think of some way to finish account for the whole Bonstock war, seeing as there are some 45,000 Chinese troops on Borneo currently.

As _Taiwan says, Borneo at the moment is involved in a bit of an RP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414237)... the Malay peninsula has been invaded by Bonstock, seeking to rebuild his former empire. China has launched a counter-invasion of sorts, but the Malaysian government once propped up by the Marimaians has all but collapsed: fragments of the former army continue to resist, and a few politicians escaped to Sabah-Sarawak in Borneo, where they still maintain some semblance of defensive capability, and have been backed up by Chinese forces. LRR is currently roleplaying on behalf of the NPC Malays.

On the one hand, this means the region in question is involved in current RP, which might be disheartening. On the other, the situation seems ripe for a sudden shift to a new, and perhaps more extreme, administration.

As for the rest of Borneo, if you were considering the entirety of the island, it is nominally part of the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, ruled by a fellow named Kalla. After Hudecia, who was RPing it, left NS, it has been generally assumed that the IRI hasn't been doing to well economically, and perhaps culturally as it applied islamic law to a variety of muslim and non-muslim cultures. Thus, its Bornean territories might be also considered vulnerable to a sudden shifting of regime.

And, while the area was formerly a territory of Bonstock, which he likely wants to re-imperialize, China seems determined to snuff him out once and for all this time around, so it may soon be irrelevant.

Well, Borneo was just an idea...if there are too many problems I will think of something else.

Still Kalimantan/Sarawak has possibilities for the bizarre combinations of folk superstition, technology and repression I usually end up indulging in...

Thanks for the detail Spyr.

I don't necessarily have to go with Sarawak yet, if that is where the action is.
I have shifted my gaze south, to the wonderfully named town of Pontianak, capital of Indonesia's West Kalimantan...the possibilities there are 'significant' for someone with my disturbed vision ;)

(Edit: Reading about the IRI...heavy handed Indonesian Islamic regime applied to Borneo...Hmmm, in my mind, the words 'Dayak Insurgency' are flashing...care for a head anyone?)

You coudl always go for some where in Africa, i'm sure there are a good few natiosn left open and superstition generally has a good hold in that aprt of the world.

You can be Portugal and actually make my inevitable invasion fun.

Yes, I had been toying with that idea, Strathdonia...but nothing really stuck in my mind.

My main problem is that I can be a bit of a perfectionist, and dislike getting involved in places where I know nothing about the people/culture or geography...I have already RPed as several places and each time have had to learn a lot of things...even things as simple as how local names work can really add or detract from the flavour of RPs. And, to be honest, I know next to nothing about Africa so anything i do there would be very phony!

As to superstitions, I tend to gain inspiration from horror films, and the fact that I like Asian horror (I am a Ringist after all) keeps pulling me to a more familiar continent.

I must decline Macabees...;)

I much prefer to discourage people from invading!

Anyway, I'm off to bed, being tired. If people could let me know what they think, and whether:

a)Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) is OK
b)failing that, Saarland
c)failing that...well please suggest some hell holes (preferably Asia/Europe, but by this stage I'm not fussy) that are free and likely to remain free (i.e. no army gearing up on the border)

Perhaps you'd be interested in taking up one of the eastern Indian states, east of Bangladesh. Those are definately out of the way...and it might be a setting for a new RP. Can anyone say caffine wars in Assam?

By the way, what happened to our third India? He never showed up...

Perhaps I should run my little...scheme...by BG. I have been thinking about a China-esque Indian unification, if nothing else but to prop up the subcontinent against anyone really being able to invade it, and perhaps moving my main RP focus to somewhere out of the way, like Madagascar or West Africa.

Of course, I will need to have yours opinions first. It is perfectly understandable if you don't approve, and I will need to make provisions allowing for the maintainance of current military commitments.

As for the rest of Borneo, if you were considering the entirety of the island, it is nominally part of the Islamic Republic of Indonesia

Brunei, part of Borneo is owned by UE!!

Ok, I'm potentially interested LRR; which states are we talking about so i can get some sort of idea?

This is India as best I know it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ind-map-3.jpg

ISCBG of course is the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert, LRR of course Hindustan (could have sworn I changed that... oh well). Goa and Pondicherry are independent enclaves unless we ever get a player with a good story about why they're still colonial possessions.

Andaman and Nicobar is... well, Andaman and Nicobar.

Now, we did have another India player, didn't we? But is he active? M-thingi? With Rajsthan, Uttar Pradesh and all that?

Hindustan also has Pakistan, I believe.

So Bangladesh is free (though not shown on the map, you can see where it fits in between West Bengal and Tripura et cetera, right?), along with those eastern surrounding states, at least.

Edit: I think that the population of Bangladesh and those surrounding states might be a little above 170million, which is above normal for AMW but which comes with the region's great natural problems and with being next door to four hundred-odd million screaming anarchists on one side and one and a third billion militant Chinese on the other, so it has its pros and its cons :)

You know what would have been awsome? Being the Indus River Valley and fighting with the Chinese. But, meh, Spain is cool too.

I'm often tempted to push up a bit and start a border war in Sikkim, Bhutan, or Assam and Arunachal Pradesh for the sheer scale of it, but apart from going against the character of the Commonwealth by annexing everybody, I think both sides are to rich and China too likely to make it nuclear. Now if we didn't have viable communistic trade partners and China's Sinoese-lead racism and militancy had an impact on their economy and it would be all AKs and bayonets and the wider world would actually survive, I'd think about it myself :)

Only on the wrong side of India, but never mind that.

Brunei, part of Borneo is owned by UE!!

Sorry... I didn't forget you. Its just for some reason my brain didn't think of Brunei as part of Borneo....

Its their own fault, for not getting themselves invaded by Bonstock ^_^.

I'm often tempted to push up a bit and start a border war in Sikkim, Bhutan, or Assam and Arunachal Pradesh for the sheer scale of it, but apart from going against the character of the Commonwealth by annexing everybody, I think both sides are to rich and China too likely to make it nuclear. Now if we didn't have viable communistic trade partners and China's Sinoese-lead racism and militancy had an impact on their economy and it would be all AKs and bayonets and the wider world would actually survive, I'd think about it myself :)

Only on the wrong side of India, but never mind that.

Hmmm...

Perhaps the fact that India is not unified and only comes to about 650-700 million people (Hindustan + BG) total is what keeps it from being flattened. Meh. Who knows? At least Sino isn't in charge...we could probably say goodbye to Kanendru and northern Pakistan.

But a defensive agreement might be productive at least. You know?

I'd say we're closer to 750million since you switched about a bit and the Commonwealth accepted West Bengal and Jharkhand... though 1/4 of BG's population is presently as much a drain as an asset thanks to their under-development. 409million Beddgelens with population growth stable except in the two new states, which must be attended to, and Hindustan is ...Pakistan (148m?), Gujarat (50m?), Maharashtra (79m?), Madhya Pradesh (60m?). All probably short a couple of years growth, but we seem to agree that makes sense. 746m by that estimate, but still more than a whole similar size nation or two short of China.

I suppose I should stop rambling about this, here. But we should make more of the Madras-Porthmadog conference... or maybe have a new one, with less under-schooled foreign protestors and snide remarks from absent French dictators distracting proceedings. Maybe we can make greater progress on progressive issues now that new nations have arisen and others have fallen or been accepted as revolutionary frauds. Three quarters of a billion Indians, seventy-five million Lyongians (or more with Tord, I suppose?), forty million Lusakans, half a dozen West Saharans?, and the better part of ninety million Neo-Anarchans should be able to make some progress. Host it outside BG so it looks less like the red elephant is trying to trample the world, and try to agree on what trade practices, democratic proceedures, and military policies are really properly considered progressive (less talk of revolutionary if it is in danger of forcing Igovian conditions on foreign states that don't presently merit them).

Yay, lets do that! Heh.

And here I sit with a combined population of only 70 million. And I look at Portugal and notice it only has a population of 10 million. Not exactly an ample target if what you're looking for is more manpower.

Well, maybe it's in your best interests to turn out a lot of visible air pollution. The Commonwealth presently sees that as the only threat bigger than the Chinese military, being as it could lead to the failure of the Asian monsoons any year now and we'd all die. Heh. Well, it's probably what I'd do if I were an evil dictator short on manpower and looking to even things out in the long-run :)

So, ok, here's the plan. Widen the streets of the big cities in Spain [really, you can barely fit a small car] and bring in the SUVs = dead Indians. :p Just joking... *looks around*

So, ok, here's the plan. Widen the streets of the big cities in Spain [really, you can barely fit a small car] and bring in the SUVs = dead Indians. :p Just joking... *looks around*

For your own good...

*Threatens to cut Macabees up a job*

That's great, raking in cash selling oil, driving SUVs and zipping around the world in executive jets can be termed as contributing to national security, by subverting the sub-continent's left winng bloc, excellent...

That's great, raking in cash selling oil, driving SUVs and zipping around the world in executive jets can be termed as contributing to national security, by subverting the sub-continent's left winng bloc, excellent...

Oh yes, causing the horrible deaths of millions for your own petty purposes is perfectly legitimate. You don't see us talking about starving everybody in your nations, and it might be an uncharacteristically diplomatic gesture on your part to reciprocate such, shall we say, considerations.

It certainly says a lot about the real and percieved character of this ridiculous red menace everyone seems all afraid of. I mean, look at the facts! Andaman & Nicobar is still a soveriegn state! If the red menace was so big and so bad, don't you think BG might have already conquered the tiny capitalist outpost a mere cruise missiles' flight away, off his east coast? And all you are going around taking whole countries and killing the people in them!

It makes me mad!

*Indignation*

Like I said, LRR, the Red Menace stuff is just rhetoric to justify my various activities.

Edit: On second thoughts, I'm just not sure about the Eastern states. When you said that the rest was taken by this mysterious 'third India', presumably that woudl include Uttaranchal? Because if not, that province might be just what I'm looking for.

Just out of curiosity, who controls Goa in AMW's India?

What?

Hides manila folder labelled "Goa, Roycelandian Annexation of" :D

Well if it isn't fully indian ( abit silly that sicne in RL it holds one of the world's biggest airbases) then i suppose it would have the default back to poutragal

Well if it isn't fully indian ( abit silly that sicne in RL it holds one of the world's biggest airbases) then i suppose it would have the default back to poutragal

Yeah, I highly doubt that Roycelandia would be allowed an enclave in India, especially right on the Bedgellen border.

I have always considered it a small independent territory up for the taking of some other player.

Never got decided. Obviously it -unless someone else comes along to play the former owner- used to be Portugal's while most of Beth Gellert and Hindustan were British... either it decided not to pick sides when Hindustan and the Principality set themselves up as independent states, or it was still a colonial possession. It could very well be Roycelandian instead of Portuguese, and there's Pondicherry on the east coast in a similar situation.

There's no chance in hell of anyone annexing either of them now, unless it's BG or Hindustan, but if they never left somebody else's possession then there may just be the most heavily militarised borders outside Korea :)

So BG, what about Indian unification? Thumbs up or thumbs down?

Forget my last post...

If I wait any longer for teh perfect territory to appear, I'll never get going!

How about I just take the 'Seven Sisters' (the states of Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura, Mizoram, Nagaland, Meghalaya and Manipur), population 38.6 million and be done with it. That way I get a decent region with agricultre and resources, but without all the natural problems inherent in Bangladesh.

One more thing; since having a nation called Oshima and Izu running this area is ridiculous, I'd prefer to have it assigned to my puppet, Kashu.

What is the next step these days? I presume I will need this claim confirmed before I can start using it?

Sounds good to me, O&I... or Kashu. So long as you're happy playing those guys, I don't imagine there's any problem, now. They're not exactly the centre of the world, so it won't matter if they're not too active (nobody's minded that nothing's happened there so far).

At the moment, you may potentially have a problem/opportunity with ex officials from Jharkhand and West Bengal trying to escape across the border following the popular revolutions that joined those states with the Commonwealth (but if you'd rather not worry about that, it's safe to assume they found a good home in corrupt Bangladesh).

Now to worry about what sort of state Kashu will be on our least well developed border...

Hindustan: the Commonwealth is certainly interested in unification. We hoped to make some progress on expanding understanding at the next revolutionary conference, perhaps with a view to moving political systems closer together. I don't know, it hasn't been given detailed thought in Beth Gellert, because nobody ever thought that the Hindustanis would be interested :)

Its sort of funny, Hindustan fighting the principality for so many years and then going to join BG...

The thing is, well, you've got the firepower and Hindustan has...the world's largest Hunter and Jaguar fleet?

The thing is that in Hindustan free enterprize is perfectly legal, and not wholly uncommon, so capitalism exists in small amounts. Its just that everything besides restaurants and repair shops are government-owned and controlled by Parliament. So I don't know how we do this...perhaps let both our nations exist more or less as they have and become binded in some sort of economic/defensive pact? Or unite completely? Perhaps even give you control of India?

Hindustan is much more keen on peacekeeping and other humanitarian operations worldwide, so mabye that would pose a problem to some extent. A credibility problem...we'll work it out.

I should post, maybe on the offsite forum, more about the Commonwealth, really.

Largely, Igovians don't care for government ownership of industry any more than they do for private ownership, unless the government control is somehow transitional... industry being siezed by government forces before handing over to the workers, maybe... but even that holds limited water as Beddgelens up and took control for themselves.

Some might argue that in many ways Beth Gellert isn't communist because it doesn't approve of what Igovians call state capitalism, and people still run businesses for profit and deal in national currency. It's just that employees -as they would elsewhere be called- are also managers and owners. The divide between employees and owners/managers has gone, and now there's only workers... that's the workers' state to Igovians, it's not trampling on owners, just turning them into the same thing as everyone else.

I know that certain Lusakans have been thinking about an international security dealy... I forget what they were proposing to call it, it's a possible issue for the next progressive conference... that would see nations like Lusaka and Hindustan providing majority manpower to international security, aid, and peacekeeping missions that nations like Beth Gellert would have majority responsibility for deploying and funding. Of course that might lead to everyone wanting to do it except us, and us having all the ships and planes, but greater Indian unity would emlimniate that problem, I suppose.


Eh, well, generally, on the Indian unification thing, I suppose we could inject into our future RP careers the notion that unification is rising in popular consciousness, that it's actually an agenda and an aspiration, but we don't perhaps have to achieve it for who knows how long. We could always achieve elements... perhaps single currency and this international security thing, blah blah... it'll be something to work with, anyway, something to drive RPs in future.

That would certainly be something to look forward to. Ask a Chinese man what Beth Gellerts do and the reply would go something along the lines of "they live in communal farms and grow wheat."

Well, why not have it that Goa is Roycelandian?

It would be in BG's interests, since Roycelandia is hardly going to deliberately start getting into conflict with Beth Gellert, especially if there's a danger that several hundred thousand angry Igovians are going to storm into our little Enclave (much like what happened in RL in 1975).

Just a thought... :D

[shrugs]

Works for me. Makes sense that you'd keep going east after Africa and want a piece of the opiates and spices, even if you didn't get the tea.

If other players go along with it, the late 70s and early 80s were not a good time to be a Roycelandian imperialist... first East Africa revolts and half of it declares independence, then a year or two later the Indian Principality -presumably an ally against Hindustan on the sub-continent- collapses in a similar revolt. One day we'll have a retrospective AMW RP just to play at beating you down :)

That'd be heaps of fun, actually- the mid-70s and 80s were bad time for the Roycelandian Empire... *Imperial March Plays, and an Imperial Star Destoyer rumbles overhead... Cue Slanty Writing and Theme Music* :D

I should post, maybe on the offsite forum, more about the Commonwealth, really.

Largely, Igovians don't care for government ownership of industry any more than they do for private ownership, unless the government control is somehow transitional... industry being siezed by government forces before handing over to the workers, maybe... but even that holds limited water as Beddgelens up and took control for themselves.

Some might argue that in many ways Beth Gellert isn't communist because it doesn't approve of what Igovians call state capitalism, and people still run businesses for profit and deal in national currency. It's just that employees -as they would elsewhere be called- are also managers and owners. The divide between employees and owners/managers has gone, and now there's only workers... that's the workers' state to Igovians, it's not trampling on owners, just turning them into the same thing as everyone else.

I know that certain Lusakans have been thinking about an international security dealy... I forget what they were proposing to call it, it's a possible issue for the next progressive conference... that would see nations like Lusaka and Hindustan providing majority manpower to international security, aid, and peacekeeping missions that nations like Beth Gellert would have majority responsibility for deploying and funding. Of course that might lead to everyone wanting to do it except us, and us having all the ships and planes, but greater Indian unity would emlimniate that problem, I suppose.


Eh, well, generally, on the Indian unification thing, I suppose we could inject into our future RP careers the notion that unification is rising in popular consciousness, that it's actually an agenda and an aspiration, but we don't perhaps have to achieve it for who knows how long. We could always achieve elements... perhaps single currency and this international security thing, blah blah... it'll be something to work with, anyway, something to drive RPs in future.

The thing is, in Hindustan, government-run means, well, generally worker-run considering that Hindustan doesn't have much in the way of a head of state.

But your approach could probably happen pretty soon, as I think all it will take is the consolidation and localization of industrial responsibilities. Just take out several notches of bureaucracy, really. So we could start on that...

So, when do you think we should start up this new conference? I look foreward to it with the utmost eagerness.

And Roycelandia...an old-time RP would probably be pretty fun in a Goa context. Mabye we could start it with Hindustan/Bedgellen Principality border skirmishes, anti-shipping raids, etc.

That explains why HDF Canberras mount a 57mm cannon...the Mosquito actually had one, and the B-25 had a 75mm in the nose!

Many thanks BG...

For background reasons, and while I work out the basics for an into RP, could you please point me in the direction of any previous threads that concern the subcontinent and its policies? I must admit I know very little about Hindustan and BG and really feel it might be an idea to rectify that pronto ;)

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showforum=2

This should help you a bit.

Can Dra-Pol remove the "not open" title? Oh, and I'll try to make an accurate roster soon...

(I don't think so, as Quinntonia is the one who made the first post. Ahem.)

I regret to announce my retirement from AMW. I couldnt make a good committment and I never could get the hang of things, but your better off without me. Best of luck though! The group will always have my respect and admiration

Dude! Not good :( Oh well, it's your call and everything. You're welcome back anytime you want it(although it may be in a different nation, what with new players and all).

Take care.

I'd like to reapply to A Modern World RP, The reapplication is for my extended absences here due to a vacation which I seriously apoligize for.
If I am reapplied, I ask that I RP as Bangladesh
_Wulaishen

It was a long while since I updated the front page (N.B. I am not Quinntonian Dra-pol and as such can not edit the first post or title or anything like that) so there's likely plenty I missed in hurridly doing it just now. I have not added in conquests as yet, and am not sure about a few things in South America, namely:

-Whether Grande Peru is still going, or has been abandoned with the player's move to Japan

-What these Incan fellows will eventually control

But I expect that the second point will become clear in time.

As to conquests and things, I suppose I'm mainly talking about North Africa and the Med.

-Is Doomingsland still active with Italy? I think so, but I haven't been around so much, lately. If so, is it safe to assume that Sicily and Sardinia are again Italian?

-Shall I chalk Algeria up as French (and Roycelandian)? Should I list the populations apart from the French total, as with the Estenlands' holdings in Lavrageria?

-How shall I indicate Western Sahara? And what is it's population, given migration, war, refugees and all that.

Oh, another few from Asia:

-Is Bonstock gone?

-What is the RP'd population of China? I've heard a lot of different figures thrown about. In reality, I believe that the last Chinese census (first Chinese census?) counted 1.26billion people including Taiwan's 22.6 (or something) million, but some experts have indicated 1.5bln as more likey (possibly suggesting that Beijing doesn't want to admit that it's already controversial population control efforts have flat-out failed). Of course, in AMW, China has a different modern history of war and division, and, I gather, now claims much higher industrialisation than in reality, which may indicate less population growth. Maybe.

There was something else.

Oh, Wulaishen... seems to have gone off to play in another region? I don't know.

I wiped-off a lot of pending applications, since the nations had either gone inactive or just never contributed anything to AMW, and I was tired of their claims hanging around discouraging others from taking those territories.

Finally, I was thinking about linking nation listings on the front page to fact-book entries and the like... sound good? If so, post any links you may have and I'll make the names into links or something.

Grande Peru is currently still going, but Peru will ultimately be falling to the Incans after various happenings (sorry to ruin the surprise, so everyone look shocked when it happens).

Ok, just keepinmind, China has apopulation of 1.4 billion.

Heh, I don't much like the tone of that. I can't very well keep it in mind, since I haven't got it in mind to begin with, which is why I ask for input. I hesitate to apply that population just off hand like that, because it actually means adding more than the population of Japan to the results of the recent Chinese census. Of course, it also puts China about half way between the highest and lowest estimates in reality, but I would like any input from other players or at least some decent sources on the matter before we confirm whether China is 200 or 250% bigger than the next largest AMW nation :)

Now I'm sleepy.

LOL, sure, keep in mind China controls Mongolia and Taiwan now.

I think the Incas will end up controlling Bolivia, although I don't know whether they have any expansion in mind.

With immigration and emigration en masse, Western Sahara has a population of around 300,000.

As for China, I'd thin that we should just say that whatever under-reporting exists coincidentally equals the lower population growth due to China's better economic circumstances in AMW. Which, by CIA factbook numbers, would be just a tad over 1.33 billion.

Guys, I'm off to Spain, and I did put up a thread for preperations of an invasion of Portugal, but I probably won't be able to continue it until I'm back.

Here's the thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423179

After some renewed soul-searching (not to mention helpful discussions with BG, LRR and others on the AMW forum), I have resolved to alter my claim to Bihar state (population 82,878,796 in 2001). I reckon this area is much better suited to my needs than Assam and the surrounding states so I sincerly hope their are no objections ;)

I should also add that on the basis of advice received via the AMW forum I have decided to modify my existing thread (which is, I reckon, 90% compatible with the new claim) rather than abandoning it and starting a new one (which would waste the time of eveyone else who has kindly expressed interest).

Thanks

KP would be willing to join this group. However, I don't knwo how I would go about it. Any help?

w00t

The Incans will eventually control Boliva, Peru, and a part of Chile. It's taking longer than expected though, and things are still being worked out.

The final population will end up in the vicinity of 42 million.

-Is Bonstock gone?

ooc: I havn't RPed much, and technically with the loss of Singapore (I guess) I have no land to speak of. Is there any land in Europe avaliable? Or South East Asia? I'll try not to kill too many people, and this time I wont make the fatal mistake of pissing off China... ;-)

I leave for Spain this Monday. Hopefully I'll get one more post up before I leave, and then no posting for me, for a while. However, I own Morocco [not the Western Sahara], which boosts my population up by 30 million [which I am taking advantage of].

But, I guess the most important part of this post, is that when I come back I will again be very active. Thanks!

I am very interested in this. Would it be possible to join and claim Germany, when I was looking through the list of nations claimed, I do not think anyone had it(I could be wrong, tell me if I am)?

I am very interested in this. Would it be possible to join and claim Germany, when I was looking through the list of nations claimed, I do not think anyone had it(I could be wrong, tell me if I am)?


It's not, but there's some important things to know if you do take Germany. France, your neighbor, is one of the most active members of the Holy League, and Italy is also in the Holy League, although it doesn't directly touch you. Belarus, which owns most of the Ukraine, I believe, is also Holy League and, myself, Spain is Holy League. You don't have to worry about me much since I'll be in Spain until the 18th of August.

Regardless, much of your politics are going to have to be directed to appeasing the Holy League, or you're going to be in hot water. If not, you could try to ally with NATO or the Indians. The latter might be interested in supporting you miltary wise, but I can't vouch for them. I think NATO and the Indians are drawing together, so that's another option.

But, Germany is going to be a hard nation to play, and you better be prepared to put a lot of work into it, or else you're going to find yourself in a cauldron - and sorry if it seems I'm trying to threaten or something, I'm not.

ooc: looking through the thread, it seems that Sweden, Norway, and Denmark aren't taken, and I'm sure I havn't seen anyone RP them. I could take them... my population would be 19,027,150, roughly average for AMW, but not enough for me to be a serious bother. Plus I'd be far away from China, an added bonus for those concerned about my former imperialism and Sino's irreppressable desire to kill me.

The Bonstocknian Kingdom of Scandinavia... nice ring to it... any objections?

I suppose you could do what the NeoSunnists did. Perhaps after the fall, Wu was granted asylum in Sweden and somehow takes over? But in truth, AMW doesn't need another inactive player who pops in every few months and who doesn't understand logistics.

Tom, Germany would be a hell of a challenge to play, but if you feel up to it, could you provide an RP sample for us so we can approve your entry into AMW?

WHo ever is Germany, they have the backing of China. This include an imediate offer of an Alliance, and so on. We love Germany!

I resent the playing of all of Scandinavia as a kingdom, particularly an absolute one(which is what you may or may not be talking about, Bonstock - sorry if it sounds like I am trying to put words in your mouth). It wouldn't seem right for the Scandinavian nations, particularly in the AMW world - Danish, and particularly Swedish governments would probably be very interested in uniting with the other Scand. nations, but likely under the aegis of internal trade and democracy; not because they're all monarchies.

Then again, none of our other nations are particularly true to RL form; it may be because I'm worried you'll powergame Europe out of proportion and start a world war.

I'm also concerned about people simply taking Nations and never RPing them- at the moment, AMW really only seems to consist of Quinntonia, Roycelandia, Neo-Anarchos, Lusaka, Strathdonia, France, United Elias, LRR, Beth Gellert, China, Japan, and Spain... too many other Nations simply pop up, say "I wanna be (Nation)!", then just let it die...

Agreed. In fact, I'm guilty of not really playing African Commonwealth myself, but I hope to start anew.

I resent the playing of all of Scandinavia as a kingdom, particularly an absolute one(which is what you may or may not be talking about, Bonstock - sorry if it sounds like I am trying to put words in your mouth). It wouldn't seem right for the Scandinavian nations, particularly in the AMW world - Danish, and particularly Swedish governments would probably be very interested in uniting with the other Scand. nations, but likely under the aegis of internal trade and democracy; not because they're all monarchies.

Then again, none of our other nations are particularly true to RL form; it may be because I'm worried you'll powergame Europe out of proportion and start a world war.

I didn't particularly mean an absolute monarchy... all three of those nations have Constitutional Monarchies, with parliaments who have the real power. That was more my idea. They're still called kingdoms, though.

How about I promise this time I won't start any wars. After all, in RL, Sweden is neutral, and Norway and Denmark would only go to war with NATO at their backs. Besides, what reason would I have to start a war? Germany, with 4 times my population would be at my south; Russia, with some 8 times my population, would be at my east. Sure, there is Finland, but its not worth my time and Russia would beat me back anyway. And that's not even talking about the Holy League.

Anyway, I'll be more active, this time. As for Wu, though, he's gonna be long dead. I'll just pretend the whole Singapore thing never happened. After all, having a leader who's a wanted fugitive by China isn't exactly what I had in mind.

So, what do you guys say?

PS: Is something wrong with my RP of logistics? What, was it the B-2s and F-22s I used as Singapore, or was it the sattelites or what? Did I not supply my troops properly? I RPed all those truck columns, even had some ambushes along the way and had to delay operations. Or was it my speedy repairs of bridges and factories? Meh, whatever it was, it was better then previous wars...

It may have been your habit of taking neglible losses from serious attacks and deploying counter-attacks without taking time to recover from enemy offensives. At least, that was what would have concerned me if I played a war against you.

That being said(I'm a Dane, by the way), Denmark would probably also be a staunch advocate of NATO in AMW, so that sounds about reasonable. However, we'll have to see what the AMW community thinks of you returning.

I'm also concerned about people simply taking Nations and never RPing them- at the moment, AMW really only seems to consist of Quinntonia, Roycelandia, Neo-Anarchos, Lusaka, Strathdonia, France, United Elias, LRR, Beth Gellert, China, Japan, and Spain... too many other Nations simply pop up, say "I wanna be (Nation)!", then just let it die...
I resent that! What about little ol' Russia? <Goes into corner and cries>

It may have been your habit of taking neglible losses from serious attacks and deploying counter-attacks without taking time to recover from enemy offensives. At least, that was what would have concerned me if I played a war against you.

ooc: Point taken.

I resent that! What about little ol' Russia? <Goes into corner and cries>


Weren't you leaving for good, though?

PS: Is something wrong with my RP of logistics? What, was it the B-2s and F-22s I used as Singapore, or was it the sattelites or what? Did I not supply my troops properly? I RPed all those truck columns, even had some ambushes along the way and had to delay operations. Or was it my speedy repairs of bridges and factories? Meh, whatever it was, it was better then previous wars...

Failure to take losses, and the B-2s and F-22s and satellites.

Tom, Germany would be a hell of a challenge to play, but if you feel up to it, could you provide an RP sample for us so we can approve your entry into AMW?

Seeing as I cannot give many good RPs for sample, mainly because many of said RPs died off soon after creation, leaving me alone there, I shall be currently staying at a realistic, Cold War RP which looks like it has a bright future, will stay there until I have a good sample RP. Until it is over, I have decided to take out any attempt at me claiming Germany.

Weren't you leaving for good, though?

This was my impression to... I wasn't trying to snub you or anything, I just thought you were leaving shortly!

Incidentally, AMW seems to have been a bit quiet lately, with Elkazor away on business... I'm thinking about stepping things up in the Philippines, if anyone's interested, or has any comments/thoughts.

Just a notice, I will no longer be RPing the positions of Emperor of China, the Air Force, and the Navy, in order to focus on my other account, Ghosts of the Incans.

Oh, No, I was just waiting for one of you to respond to my previous post. I just went to look for some more action until then

Hello everyone. Sorry for the long leap of absentness-ing-ton-ion.... Anyway. It was all due to massive payloads of school work and tests family problems and random piss off problems that popped up here and there. Well now I have a great deal of time to play now so I hope I can come back and keep Taiwan. Thanks!

Um, We've claimed taiwan since the formation of AMW.

Sorry. Did I say Taiwan. I ment ThaiLAND. Sounds the same doesn't it?

Sure, you were approved before. Go for it.

May I ask, what exactly is the situation in Singapore, Malaya and South Africa? Just trying to find out the fate of some former colonies...

Well, the Southeast Asian colonies became the Federal Republic of Bonstock at some point in not-too-recent history (most probably they gained independance en masse along the RL Indonesian model, on the heels of Japanese defeat in the Pacific War).

The FRB was defeated and fragmented, with 'old guard' holding power in the former capital of Singapore, a Marimaian-backed government in Malaysia, a Strainist government in Sujava (Sumatra-Java), and a fundamentalist islamic state across Borneo-Celebes. (with the exception of Brunei, a UE holding).

Malaysia, Singapore, and the Islamic Republic have not been doing too well... there may or may not have been an attempt by neo-Bonstockians in Singapore to recapture the Malay penninsula, depending on how much of a rather screwed-up (and thus largly ignored) is accepted into AMW canon.

As for South Africa, I'm not sure... did we ever get around to choosing a player?

Regardless, I THINK the historical background for the SSA region which got incorporated into AMW requires South Africa to be a generally neutral, and neither economic nor militarily potent entity.

Yeah, I think South Africa is more or less as it is in reality, except that its neighbours aren't so impressed, in AWM. The African Commonwealth has had more influence down the west coast of sub-Saharan Africa, Lusaka probably was a deadly enemy until the end of apartheid, and likewise Lusaka is more influential in nations like Zimbabwe (which is otherwise as IRL).

Yeah, SA's more or less neutral and quiet, and SE Asia is a big fricking mess that I'm not sure we ever fully sorted out. Possibly I just stopped paying attention when it made my brain bleed. Well, this has been helpful of me, I'm off to pack.

Is anyone in the Denmark/Germany/Prussia area? If not I would like to have my nation there. Called the Rhineland.

I'm back from Spain, so I'll return to that Portuguese thing soon enough.

Taps his foot impatiently....

Hmm...

I dunno Moorington. Europe is in kind of a tricky spot.

Fancy anything in West Africa or South America? Brazil is quite open.

As a Dane I must remark that, apart from no great geographical bond; the people of Denmark share no great kinship with the rest of the region in a "Rhineland"; so I'd like to know what the cultural and political background of your nation is.

I was thinking about joining up as Germany but becouse of time constrictions if I did I wouldn't be able to rp here for a month or two.

Well okay I wuld re-arrange my borders with only Prussia and Germany as of 1900-1910 excluding the territories that where captured from Denmark in the 1880s (Don't know the exact date).

I don't think we have anyone playing Denmark, yet, no.

It might be best to push on with some new European players and blast away the cobwebs there, wouldn't you say, chaps? We can't leave it all confused and stagnent forever.

Come on, pay attention, we should check this Moorington fellow out to see that he's up to scratch, then get us a new European player if so.


Want to tell us just a vague little bit about what your nation would be like, Moorington?

At the moment, much of continental Europe is under the domination of warlike Catholic (and Orthodox?) dictatorships, though we're not sure what is happening to France since the player stormed out in a fit of ill-communication. The UK has elected a fairly hard Conservative government, as well. Aside from that, the continent is virtually unused, save the tiny Republic of Lavrageria, encircled in eastern Belarus.

Would your modified Denmark, whatever you call it, fall in line, or dare to go its own way?

(I should note here that there's no right and wrong answers*, I'm just curious :) )


*Except for, "It would be the richest, most powerful domain of supermen, and would annex Europe in two days!" of course!

OOC: Well I was thinking about that except maybe some Death Zookas which are immensly ipoportinate to the damage they do, so they are hand carry-able and wipe out whole swaths of tank divisions. Then is the stealth bomber my super-incredible scientists made..... Anyhow just had to put up a very un-realistic model of a super-country.

My Country:
Going from anceint prussia to the territory borders of Denmark before being taken from the Danes (Denmark used to a power) and to go as far south as 1900s border with Austria-Hungry. The boders will not go any more South east or west either.
I am expecting that the weapons of this country to be almost the same as modern day German armies. Except for the fact that the Kaiser never got overthrowed but he did let the provinces of Germany have a lot more power. The goverment goes along the lines of a Republic but there is only one Consul and in this model that consul has alot more power than the usual consul memeber(s).
The military will have the regular structure with artillery as individual attachments that can be added the same goes for Medics, engineers, and AA weapons. Tanks play a huge part in my army and so do fast attack helecoptors.
My economy is like alot of capitilist countries with free markets with tariffs towards forign imports to let the goverment give the country based stuiff a fighting chance in the markets. Most if not all military production is privatly owned but regulary does goverment jobs. Some of the privatly owned companie's items can be used if it was funded by the goverment (polite way of taking something since the goverment always invests something in everything, anything not can be sayed to be funded in-directly), the economie's GDP(Gross Domesticate Product) and GDPC (Gross Demestic Product per Capital) I havn't figured out yet due that alot of the profit and costs will come from other countries.
I will think that most of the people willl like my goverment due to the fact that the centralized power has been given a down-sizing and given more the the provinces.
The public representives do not have alot of bribery or corruptness due to the fact that alot of them would and could be removed from office by the people they represent, the Kaiser, or even the other representives using their political powers to kick him out.
Segregation is not an issue or never has been due to the fact that almost everybody there is white or asian.
Women are treated with respect and they usually have managing jobs under a higher official, usually a guy. Women are not encouraged or de-couraged to vote or hold office. Most high positions are taken by men though but there is a good amount of of women holds which include the Judicial Branch of the goverment.
Immigration is slightly discouraged but the White Party (Not the Gay one) has no hand in it, it is just that alot of people think they are more efficient and don't want others to cloud up the workspace.
The goverment totally stays out of religion and has no official religion. Christmas is considered a national holiday but not Honaka since the officials cannot decide which days should be the official holiday.
Genetic everything is allowed except for the cloning of human embryos. (I'm including all this junk since alot of countries seem t be that kind of religion fanatic)
Diplomats are usually not inside Nepal, or Ireland but are inside Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Coral Republic. (Last ones a joke)

So thats a semi-brief work up.

It's official. I am the only left-wing nation in all of the Mediterranean, North America, the Middle East, South America and Oceania. Maybe in the entire world, if you discount India.

(If you ignore the anarchists in Venezuela, Guyana, Colombia, and Ecuador!)

Sounds good, Moorington, except a few things...

You say the kaiser didn't get overthrown. So how is it a Republic? Is it a constitutional monarchy?

And the kaiser not getting overthrown is unrealistic unless you discount WWI, which we can't, and would cause issues with Hitler and WWII, which we all pretty much accept as canon. So how about you have either...

A) A revolution or election brings your system into place (Which isn't that unrealistic---Schroder's popularity is in the tubes)

B) The kaiser gained power sometime after WW2

Also, some background on the European situation...

France, Italy, Spain, and Ukraine are all traditionalist monarchies and part of the monarchial alliance, the Holy League. (Italy is like ancient Rome, with a slave system, France is mercantilist with severely limited social mobility---you have to perform your father's job---, Spain's economy is a tad more capitalist than the U.S., and Ukraine/The Estenlands is extremely capitalist. Oh, and France is now inactive, but he's going to wrap some things up first.) Russia (mwoi) is lead by the charismatic and enigmatic Vladimir Putin, an extremely capitalist (privatised education and healthcare, waged a bitter war on the Mafiya and corruption, uses the death penalty like a candy dispenser, and finally managed to get capitalism working in Russia) and right wing leader, who also is a fire breathing democrat, who has defended Lavragerian democracy (And destroyed Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian democracy...) and decentralized power, with referendums and much authority transferred from the federal to local governments. New territorial possessions include the Baltics, Nigeria, and the Moroccan city of Tarafuya. (Or something like that.)
Britain is run by hard line conservatives who are members of NATO and fairly moderate in foreign policy.

Turkey is a liberal constitutional monarchy, if it counts as Europe.

'EEEey Dra-pol! Hows it going? I miss playing with you - Should we engineer some mischief in North Africa? ;)

Also, I believe Bolivia is turning into a socialist democracy of sorts... And then there's Lusaka, a nationalist sort-of communist republic.

I think it sounds really good, what you've planned with Germany. If you like a "blitzing" force with attack choppers and tanks; maybe you should just stick with Germanys RL military, and add/remove the hardware as you think is suitable.

As said, there's the thing with WW1/2, but I would also support a change from the current democracy, revolution or overthrow.

Well, if its still free and up for graps, would it be possible for me to claim Moldova incorporating Transnistria?
By the way, dont be purturbed by my seemingly "new" nation. Due to a long absence my previous nation disappeared and now I've come back to find my old Region all but dead.
If need be I'll knock up a taster post to give you a rough idea as to my RP ability, if you want.

he UK has elected a fairly hard Conservative government, as well.

Well, I would hardly call it a hard Conservative government at all. You guys must be so damn left wing that you can't help but paint anything remotely conservative as extremist. In comparison to say UE, France or Russia, we are incredibly liberal (in the traditional sense of the word).

Well, I would hardly call it a hard Conservative government at all. You guys must be so damn left wing that you can't help but paint anything remotely conservative as extremist. In comparison to say UE, France or Russia, we are incredibly liberal (in the traditional sense of the word).
Well, I meant in comparison the current RL Labour government. And UE and France are waaaaay more conservative than Russia. We are highly liberal in terms of democracy, and fairly radical in the extremes we take capitalism. Our foreign policy, is of course, a classic conservative machiavellian one, (Seeing as how we opposed the HL in Lavrageria but are now allied with it in our invasion of the Baltics.)

Well, I think that I'm more or less supportive of Moorington's approach, though as AC indicates, we might have to spend a minute working out just what it means for the RL world wars... up until now, AMW has assumed that they happened in some modified form. We can be flexible, though... I think their effect thus far has mostly been on Asia, hasn't it?

Moorington's nation (still calling it the Rheinland?) could have had some sort of reduced involvement in Europe, just enough to distract other nations sufficiently that Japan still had time to cause havoc in China and Dra-pol et cetera, maybe? Its motives don't need to have been the same as Germany's, even, do they?

TBF- well, you know, your administration is hardly leftist, is it, and compared to the previous BID government it's a pretty epic swing :)

Now, as for Soviet Aleksandrograd... the Holy League has, to say the least, been making life difficult in that part of the world. The whole thing seems to have ground to a bit of a halt, but I believe that the Estenlands has invaded Moldova (presumably including Transdniester), has it not?

Still, it might be possible to work something out, though I'm not really the one to say. Could be that it's not too late for some new force to rise up and establish a rebel government that refuses to surrender despite the Republic's presumable collapse. If outside forces got involved, and perhaps the Lavragerians started kicking up trouble, again, it may be decided that taking Moldova was too much trouble for the Tsar. I dunno, we'll have to see.

Well, as the guy who played on behalf of the NPC Moldova through the invasion, I must admit extreme dissatisfaction, due simply to the absence of Romania, which I think would have gotten involved when the Russo-Ukrainians threatened to invade a cultural-linguistically linked nation that they still view as a Romanian province stolen by Russia after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Admittedly, the Moldovans voted resoundingly against unification, but if they refused to join with their rich neighbours who share language, history, and culture, one would think theyd be equally opposed to absorption into what basically adds up to the old Soviet Union under which Russo-Ukrainian minorities dominated political-economic power in their little country.

Err... a bit of a tangent...

But it would be nice to see SOMETHING actually happen down there, rather than the usual "I invade they swear fealty they love me 'cause I gave them central heating".

So that is a yes or no?

My Goverment Structure:

A Republic has to Consuls, one would be left one ould be right wing. In mine there is only one, the Kaiser. He can use "Consul Action" which makes him able to have alot more power, but he can't enact capital punsihment. The series of areas elect a representive who voices thier concern(s) of rules. Then there is a Judical branch which for the most part is entirely seperate from the rest of the goverment. The Supreme Justices are literally the head of the indiviudaul intellgience agency's of the country. They can be elected by the people in a special election or the Representives. The Kaiser can only nominee one.


That settle all the questions?

Well, the question remains, if the Kaiser wasn't overthrown, what happened in Germany 1918-2005?

The Kaiser actually turned smart and stopped acting like complete retard, since he was really really un-intelligient when it came to politics. He kinda side lined himself in favor of having the people have representives to make rules aand easly controllable to. :sniper:

(If you ignore the anarchists in Venezuela, Guyana, Colombia, and Ecuador!)

They're wierd. Us Ottomans don't meddle with them much. (just a liddle excuse to *try* to explain why I forgot them and why I haven't RP'ed with them in one).

Turkey is a liberal constitutional monarchy, if it counts as Europe.

Hey, the Ruski gave me a mention! :D I'd like to add that it is also a bureaucracy in the extreme sense of the word; petty officials everywere, not much done.

So, would there be any objections to my use of Moldova and Transdniestra?

Soviet Aleksandrograd: The difficulty is that Moldova has fallen quite recently to an invasion by its Ukrainian neighbour, the Estenlands, (the specific RP an be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424204)). Not that such means that you playing the territory is impossible, merely that quite a few details would have to be worked out and agreed upon for it to occur.

Moorington: As AMW is generally based on an RL historical base, before approval there are a number of details that need discussion. The preservation of the German monarchy, and the 1910 borders, require a broad rewriting of history... one which will have substantial impact on the histories of numerous other AMW nations. As such, it would be nice to hear your vision of how events would have unfolded so that Germany emerges with its borders secure and its throne in place, after a period which in RL included two World Wars and a Cold War, each with significant impact on the German nation.

Both, and anyone Else considering AMW membership:

Like Yafor2's Ottomans, AMW can get a bit bogged down in bureaucracy when it comes to new members. If things seem a bit slow, keep checking back... if your preferred nation raises too many queries and comments, try for another one without so much contoversy. Or, if you LIKE that sort of thing, make a bid for South Africa or France ^_^.

And finally...

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Tired of the same old roleplay? Looking for a new challenge, away from the distraction of 'armies' and 'populations'?

Then why not try a GOVERNMENT-IN-EXILE?

Yes, recently the nations of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania have been invaded and occupied by Russia and the Estenlands. But just because they're down, doesn't mean they're out!

Their administered territory may have been reduced to embassies in foreign countries, Russia and much of Europe may decry them as illegitimate, and they may be trying to pay operating costs through expat donations, but they have the lung capacity to keep on yelling until someone...anyone... gives them their country back.

So don't delay... play agovernment-in-exile TODAY!

I'm pretty sure New Zealand is wide open, too... lots of natural resources, miles from the Major Powers in the Northern Hemisphere, and plenty of RP oppurtunities.

East Islandia has been awfully quiet lately, too...

That's for certain. New Zealand and Australia are free for the taking I believe, and they fill an important niche in a part of the world that is now horribly under-represented.

I hope Hudecia and Spyr get back to RPing Sulawesi and Sujava respectively. I even had a rapid-reaction force of paratroopers ready to jump in when Mohammed Kalla took power. It would also be nice to see somebody take up East Timor. There's a country with RP potential.

In fact, most (if not all) of southeast Asia is open.

Don't discount Sujava yet. They may not be invading anyone, but if you look closely...

East Islandia is Australia. Last time we didn't here from there for a bit, they burst back, so it may just be a matter of a busy player at the moment...

The Philippines is currently in a state of turmoil, being that Roycelandia is trying to incorporate them as a Commonwealth and the Igovians are trying to stop us... so if someone wanted to try and RP a Counter-Government, trying to get rid of Roycelandia AND Beth Gellert, that would be a most interesting challenge indeed...

Sorry for my long absence, but the workload at university has reached cataclysmic proportions.

I have just entered the mid-semester break, but after these two weeks I will probably quit NS.

Well, in WWI instead of employing the massive attacks using the best and brightest ofthe German military to crush (tried) allied lines the Germans just waited an extra year and bid for peace, and/or the German U-Boat didn't sink the Lusankia so America didn't parcipitate as much as it could have.
In WWII to preserve the prussians Hitler (A Kaiser) made the Battle of the Bulge happen on the Russian front wich held up the Russians alot longer than it did the allies. One of the major factors was that the Russians didn't have the air power the allies did to crush the German spearheads and drive hem back, but had to do it the old-fashioned way. Also General Patton was given control of the European theater so he did his plan of a drive striaght to Berlin so instantly The war ended while the Russians where getting ready too advance after thier BotB. Also during the short but intense battle for Berlin Erwin Rommel ,who in this case is not shot by an allied plane in his car, hears about his beloved Kaiser trying to kill him thinking that he was the mastemind behind one of Hitler's planes exploding right before he got on it. So in his rage he walks up to Hitler shoots him in the head after Hitler signs a document which turns out to be a English version of a document giving all rights to him (Erwon Rommel).

That IS an intriguing story. :eek: I don't know whether I'm comfortable with so much re-writing of the world conflict, but I may have to side with you if it makes it all fit.

After all, Neo-Anarchans wouldn't weep to see Hitler shot dead.

Though it's still hard to see the Kaiser system surviving the post war, especially if Hitler had been one, given that Quinn will have been in the war for moral reasons and not the realpolitik and the unconditional surrender was key for morale at home.

Especially given that, with the Ringist history of Japan, it seems moe than likely that even Hirohito didn't escape the trials.

I'm struggling to see why Hitler would ever have been a Kaiser. Do we even need him? I suppose maybe we need Nazism for the sake of Israel happening as it did. Meh.


I think maybe we shouldn't let RL history ruin things for new players, we're struggling to get good ones in to replace losses, anyway.

What if France was just a little different at the end of the Great War, and didn't push so unreasonably hard for Germany to be trampled on? Perhaps the war wasn't quite so hard on France and didn't leave her so sore, or perhaps Moorington's Rheinland just doesn't have quite so contentious a history with the French? Maybe WWI is in AMW recognised more as the stalemate politically that it arguable was on the battlefield, and the Western Allies never entirely broke the very different Central Powers, afterwards? The Second World War then would be more a result of failing to finish the Kaiser and really explain to him that he was beaten rather than of beating Germany too hard (in an over-simplified view)?

I don't know that we need WWII to be remotely the same as it was, so long as a big conflict happens, eh? If America isn't prattling on and on naively about its narrow view of democracy (because it's Quinntonia, and may not be lead by an irritating rabble of wet fish), perhaps the Kaiser survives again.. or abdicates to placate the Allies, but is replaced by another Kaiser rather than by full elections.

If we've no Kim Il-Sung but still have a divided Korea, and probably no George Washington but still a North American superpower, and so on and so forth, do we need a Hitler?

One might even say that the French harsh, vengeance-based Versailles demands could have been defeated by the more moral Quinntonians, an affront which might have added to the feelings that allowed Louis' Restoration to slip in through an otherwise unlikely political environment.

After much popular demand, from those within and without AMW in NS, I am forced from my resignation to complete the saga of Restoration France, and therefore open the door for those who shall come after me.

The thought of this creation of mine not finding a conclusion befitting its essence has literally disturbed me these past several weeks to such a degree that I beyond all Ive said must finish my SL. I do not intend to return to AMW, anymore than AMW would wish to have me return; aside from my few friends in this organization. Nevertheless, theres a difference between fair sport and bitter ale, and it took my darling to point that out to me even in the midst of my atrociously busy life.

The end result of this, which I anticipate to be the most novel-like of all my SL's in that all parts and parties will be examined along with their motivations, will be a France which has gracefully exited the national stage to heal after said SL.

I am well aware that both the sentiments and intrigues of a great many AMW members will prevent my conclusion from being adapted as law or even as something to be recognized...that does not phase me in the slightest. I began a deep SL, and so I shall finish it regardless, my knowledge as a storyteller having completed his story shall be more than sufficent in all respects for me to move on with grace, dignity, and the honor of a gentleman.

It will be a grand tableau, worthy of all the emotions and desires having ever entered into the human consciousness, an epic rather than a series of table and rule movements. Several AMW members have expressed and interest in joining this, the last and prospectivley the greatest of my NS works. Anyone wishing to participate in the conclusion of the Restoration IC is recomended to TG me, and a spot will be found. Otherwise this will be an absolutley closed thread, which is why it will take place outside the proper AMW format, as I have invested far too much time into this mega-post and outline to boot to have it hijacked. Nevertheless, applicants will be welcome to join in.

It will be up by Sunday.

So can I get my country? Since you can just say Hitler destroyed the Kaisers to get him up but then Rommel ressurected them. Also if the French never lost any major battles or won any it would probably make the French alot less vicious for the armstice.

Well, with all respect for your writing abilities Elkazor, it always seemed like an issue of you not being able to do without your two super-dreadnoughts, which is a pretty poor excuse for quitting AMW especially when you were already AMW's biggest naval power in the time it took many nations to get any ships to speak of, and most seemed rather content with that. If you stuck around for the rather drastic restructuring of much of AMW (especially hated Beth Gellert, which voluntarily reduced its military forces by many tens of hulls and thousands of tanks and aircraft, and Hindustan, which lost just about anything that could label it a military power to speak of), mabye you would have been better satisfied with the global state of affairs.

Perhaps if you hadn't stormed out in a fit and stayed to at least properly explain yourself we wouldn't have to revert to an exclusive thread, especially when the issue of France's north African conquests is one that hardly concerns only a select few.

So:

1. I'm losing my major ally?

2. We can't have super dreadnoughts? If not, then I will suppose that it never existed in that fleet that after two months of inactivity is still floating in the mid-Atlantic...well I suppose it's in Cadiz by now.

Just to clear up, France was certainly not AMW's biggest naval power, I have no idea where you pulled that from. It had an ambitious Naval Program, but in my mind battleships, not 'super-dreadnoughts', do not constitute moding.

This is exactly why the closing thread, which will be up by later today, will be only based upon AMW and not directly involved with it: so that in my last SL I will be able to control both the tempo and material therein, without arguing semantics constantly. I make no apologies for anything Ive said, I stand by them 100%, and you can do with AMW France what you all are therefore fit to do with it.

Nevertheless, the story of my Restoration shall be completed in a manner that I find satisfactory and will be a fitting conclusion for those who desire to know how that impossible dream turned out, with players invited to participate aware of my borders...and not those of AMW.

But as I am no longer in AMW, I will not clog up this thread for people wishing to join that organization. So the thread will be up tonight, I daresay it will be hard to miss.

And Im sure your restructuring efforts will bring about exactly the sort of RP you desire. Kudos.

Well, as it started with me deciding that Dra-pol -and other nations- could do too many grand things for any little things to get attention or for anything to really raise the interest, I should say that super-dreadnoughts as seen elsewhere in NS are right-out, because they're utterly impossible to build, maintain, or operate on earth. Super-dreadnoughts such as the hundred-thousand-plus ton monsters of Hitler's wet dreams may possibly be concocted, but must be recognised for what they are. If Nazi Germany had built what warships its most fanciful minds imagined, tank production (for example) would have stopped for a year to make it possible, despite having the resources of most of continental Europe to hand, along with slave labour.

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Then the result -if it were practical at all- would, as any other realistic warship, spent months not being available each year, and would not represent a flawless failsafe for any nation weilding it, which is just something to bear in mind. Some alert individuals may have realised that the CPRD has sold its one and only and thoroughly incomplete aircraft carrier to the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth, and this shall represent their only fleet carrier, once it is operational: it has been agreed that it will also spend a couple of months each year sitting at Madras-Porthmadog or where-ever may be its home port, leaving the Soviets with no available fleet carrier, only a pair of Euro-style light carriers (assuming readiness scheduels are worked out so that they're available when the fleet carrier isn't).
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Just really think about things before doing them. About what resources your nation has access to, about what it is already doing with them, about for how long they will be tied up by a new ambition, about the politics involved and whether the society you've built can really go through with it (Dra-pol's two planned battleships got so far as material being gathered for part of one, and public works being mobilised for the slip), and think about whether you even have the facilities in place! (Long term players can imagine how many ordinary Drapoel died on the abortive programmes before the coup and are aware of the deceptions that kept aid flowing during our longest economic boom.)

I think the main concerns with the HL were that though it was doing things that might jussst be possible and was able as such to say that they were, maybe it was doing them too easily and doing too good a job of presenting them as miracle achievements.

Also, yes, Mac, it looks like you are losing a major ally, but if Doomingsland is still around the Holy League is far from dead, and the Estenlands appears to be on the brink of attaining new heights of influence (much to everyone's chagrin!).

The main theme running in AMW at the moment is one of reflection and, frankly, reduction. Dra-pol's Kurosite miracle of industry is past fraying at the edges and has now quite ripped open, the Indias have stepped back and BG no longer presents itself as a second US-grade superpower, Roycelandia appears to be accepting new chapters of self-effacting military upset into its recent imperial background, and everyone else has been asked to look at or has been thinking about how much wealth there really is to share around, recognising that they can't build their own palace from other people's marble.


Finally, are we satisfied with Moorington taking charge of what will be essentially AMW's Germany? So long as he keeps working with us in the early stages to make sure that everyone's happy with the history, that is.
I think we ought to say that early on it's sort of a casual probationary period, eh?
We should at least see what he's going to do, let him start a first RP or something, as well as working out how many people his nation has and learning how powerful it will be in AMW, unless anyone has really grave reservations to indicate.
To Moorington, well, sorry it's taking a while, but as you can probably see, the good ship AMW is going through some choppy waters just now.