NationStates Jolt Archive

In order to join, we need to have some record of a previous RPing experience, and you need to be ratified by at least two MODERN WORLD members. I suggest that you get some experience before you try.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

The Asgard Combine was previously the player behind the nation of Etronia (and the funniest storefront thread on nationstates), who had involvement in a lot of the RP's I was in as Kilean. He's a pretty damn good RPer, so I think we can all relax and let the dude in.

What about me?

I can supply some RP history:

Defiance (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362421)

Not the most realistic RPing of an Arab nation, but I had grown a bit tired of it.

Also, some major involvement in these two RP threads:

A Presidential Kidnapping (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377477)

ARSB Parliament Grants Semi-Autonomy to ARSB District (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357859)

I regard these as a nice indication of my RP standards. Of course I've been into a lot more, including the War on Terror in Gabon, which involved nearly the entire SSA region, but those reflect quite a wrong impression of my current writing abilities.

In order to join, we need to have some record of a previous RPing experience, and you need to be ratified by at least two MODERN WORLD members. I suggest that you get some experience before you try.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.


the two threads Al-Ahzad is talking about:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=307871 (storefront)
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=308025 (dibujante thing)

the others (which aren't as good, or as long) can be found through search, as these can.
I've got Al-Ahzad's vote (?) so I just need one more ...

You seem pretty good, and I wouldn't hesitate to give you my vote, except for the fact that I'm not really that much of an established member here at MW. I don't want to screw over the top level guys, if they don't want you here.

Okay, I've given the second post a few alterations, and probably missed out all sorts or made some horrid mistake, so everybody remember to check it out once in a while and see what issues we have to resolve or what botches I've made.

United Elias endorses Al-Sabir's claims, and believes he will be an RP asset to the Middle East and the greater MW, and in my numerous dealings and RP's with this nation, I have found him to be credible, realistic and imaginitive. It was in fact my recommendation to him that he joins the Modern World, as I believed he was the ideal type of nation that we are looking for in this community.

WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY ACCEPTING NEW MEMBERS, PLEASE SEE PREVIOUS POST. IN THE LAST MEMBERS CASE, THEY ARE ON THE FIRST PAGE, SECOND POST. THANK YOU.
WWJD
Amen.

I think that your opinion here may be contrary to the majority, Q. I mean, we have some people invited to look into the thing and possibly ready to go, so it seems counter productive to turn them away. I agree that we want to avoid a flood of new folk dashing in and confusing everybody, but a lot of claims have faded away, anyway, and we don't have as many players as once it seemed we may.

I think that I'm inclined to support the main new claimants as they stand.

No, I think we still have some important spots to fill in, like Poland and Germany. Also, I think IC wise, Estenlands is claiming Lavrageria as their territory.

I'm hoping to reach some kind of understanding about Vietnam. When Sangun was RPing, the two of us were all set to sign a bilateral alliance, except he's now no longer around after inactivity. If he comes back, then I'd like to see him assume control of Vietnam again. Until then, Marimaia's biggest neighbour apart from China is NPC-controlled.

I was thinking the other day that Vietnam would be concerned about Chinese aggression and Western movement into former Indonesia; it also makes sense that Marimaia would have heavily wooed Hanoi due to their 'socialist brotherhood'. The coronation would have undoubtedly made the Vietnamese suspicious, as would the 'liberation' of Burma/Myanmar and growing Marimaian influence in the region, but considering Vietnam's position it's likely that they would have retained any diplomatic arrangements with Marimaia. It's also likely that Vietnam would have joined the SSRC, given the fact that Dra-pol has always RPed with ties to Vietnam as well.

Although 'puppet Vietnam' would be a perfect situation for me, I realise that no-one's going to agree to that. What I'm proposing is that in AMW, Vietnam and Marimaia are allies. This does not mean that I get to use Vietnam's army to supplement Marimaia's, what I had in mind was being allowed to RP diplomatic ties and the like. A lot of AMW players don't really concern themselves with Vietnam, but as it would be a major policy concern for Marimaia I would like to agree some arrangement with the rest of the players.

It makes sense to me. I consider that Libya and Venezuala are key trading partners and generally considered allies of Beth Gellert, or, it might be more accurate to say, client states of our Soviet Commonwealth, and I'd imagine that Vietnam might be similar, if a little more of an outsider because we don't need its trade so desperately (note that Libya and Venezuala are about the only significant oil producing states with which BG can do serious trade) and it may have spun more into the Marimaia/Sphere, uh, sphere. That would sort of set the SSRC and BG up as AMW's PR China and USSR, I suppose. Alternate socialistic leading forces, if you follow my drift. As at certain times in reality, it just happens that the two are presently on good terms. Hey, let's set up a phoney skirmishing war to see who the west supports ;)

Anyway, it's a lucky thing for the Estenlands that Lavrageria is landlocked and two Igovian fleets committed to the Singapore situation. It's fair to say that it is in Kiev's interests to see that situation drag on.

Where was I? I don't know... Oh, I was going to add that if a new, reasonable player came along wanting to play in/as Vietnam, and to do so from a right-wing or other perspective contrary to what we've currently discussed, I think that we'd have to let them, but ask that they incorporate and account for the difficulties related to the previous status quo. Perhaps make their opening AMW RP a revolution or some sort of shift like that. I'd say that similar perhaps should go for vital states like Libya and Venezuala, and those that other current nations count as especially important to them, so long as nobody gets carried away and demands a direct say in half a dozen NPC states. Hm. Maybe this deserves its own thread. A discussion of NPC states in AMW? It is sometimes hard to ignore, especially given the realism we're trying to implement- things like United Elias' fuel economy thread can't really work unless we explain where BG's fifteen trillion dollar economy gets its none-capitalist oil. I might go and work on that now. I'm sure it will be full of argument and bitching :)

((I Agree BG. A discusssion of NPC states in AMW is much needed. I think we should have a thread for it, wherein we can discuss all the questions and concerns about it.))

Okay, I've tried to prepare ground for discussion here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7906832#post7906832).

Good Day,

Prior to me stating by business on this thread, I do feel that it would be wise if I was to first of all state my previous NationStates RP record, which will be largely unknown to most of you. When my previous nation was active, I was heavily involved in regional RP's of the the 'Middle East' region, which took place almost exclusively on offsite forums, and regional boards. After approximately one year, I left NS as I was fed up with the n00bish qualities most of my fellow RPers on the regional boards seem to be aquiring as more of the original Middle East nations started to die off. The mainstream forums have never appealed to me as five thousand nations with thirty million man armies being bombed by hundreds of thousands of stealth bombers, was not really my scene.

Anyway after eight months or so, I suddenly recieve an email from United Elias, who was also a Middle East RPer at the time I was, and who obviously had my email address from back then. Since he knew my reasons for quitting NS, I suppose he thought I might be interested in the MW project which seems to solve all the issues which caused me to be disillusioned. Before I decided to start a nation, I checked out this thread and many of the MW related ones and I believe that I would be very interested in joining this community.

The territory I would like to RP is the United Arab Emirates (under its old name as The Trucial States), and although my nation will very closely rlflect the real UAE, there will be some minor differences for the sake of originality. However the basic moderate, ostensibly peaceful characteristics of the UAE will also apply to The Trucial States. I plan neither to be a world influence or rogue state, but a minor regional power. I ask that you consider my claims, and I insist that before I am accepted I recieve the approval of Al-Azhad as he and UE will doubtless be my main RP partners, given that we would be bordering states.

Well, that sounds reasonable to me, even if it likely means confirmation of another part of the oil producing world as largely out of bounds for Igovian trade :) Darn capitalists all over the show. At least these ones may not make us want to shoot at them.

I won't voice opposition, as yet.

Good Day,

Prior to me stating by business on this thread, I do feel that it would be wise if I was to first of all state my previous NationStates RP record, which will be largely unknown to most of you. When my previous nation was active, I was heavily involved in regional RP's of the the 'Middle East' region, which took place almost exclusively on offsite forums, and regional boards. After approximately one year, I left NS as I was fed up with the n00bish qualities most of my fellow RPers on the regional boards seem to be aquiring as more of the original Middle East nations started to die off. The mainstream forums have never appealed to me as five thousand nations with thirty million man armies being bombed by hundreds of thousands of stealth bombers, was not really my scene.

Anyway after eight months or so, I suddenly recieve an email from United Elias, who was also a Middle East RPer at the time I was, and who obviously had my email address from back then. Since he knew my reasons for quitting NS, I suppose he thought I might be interested in the MW project which seems to solve all the issues which caused me to be disillusioned. Before I decided to start a nation, I checked out this thread and many of the MW related ones and I believe that I would be very interested in joining this community.

The territory I would like to RP is the United Arab Emirates (under its old name as The Trucial States), and although my nation will very closely rlflect the real UAE, there will be some minor differences for the sake of originality. However the basic moderate, ostensibly peaceful characteristics of the UAE will also apply to The Trucial States. I plan neither to be a world influence or rogue state, but a minor regional power. I ask that you consider my claims, and I insist that before I am accepted I recieve the approval of Al-Azhad as he and UE will doubtless be my main RP partners, given that we would be bordering states.


Wow, I've actually been sitting here for a long-ass time wanting somebody to RP the UAE, and here they are, just showing up one day. You are IN, my good man.

Al-Azhad, thank you for your agreement, perhaps you would like to telegram me with a few ideas how you see your nation's relationship with The Trucial States, assuming we have the same history and foreign policy to the UAE.

Excellent! Another Arab Country... let the Oil Flow! :)

Well now it seems that I have been accepted and I have made contact with my neigbours, I have written a short piece which details a few things about The Trucial States that are in fact different from the real UAE, so anything not specifically mentioned here will be the same as in RL.

Government and Constitution

In 1970, rulers of seven emirates from those known as the Trucial Coast states, ratified the constitution of the Federation of The Trucial States. The provisional constitution of the Trucial States provides for the separation of powers into executive, legislative, and judicial branches. Additionally, it separates legislative and executive powers into federal and emirate jurisdictions. Originally, the provisional constitution was to be replaced after five years with a permanent document, pending the resolution of issues standing in the way of full integration among the federation's emirates. These issues included individual emirates' contributions to the federal budget and defense integration, and still are unresolved so the provisional constitution still stands, with its jurisdictional ambiguities.

The executive branch consists the Council of Ministers (the cabinet), and the presidency. The president, invariably one of the Emirs serves as head of state, and notional commander of the Arab Frontier Force (AFF), the federation wide security organisation.

Under the provisional constitution, the Federal National Council (FNC) is the principal legislative authority. Its forty members are appointed for four-year terms by the respective emirate rulers, in accordance with a constitutionally fixed quota that allots proportionately more members to the wealthiest and most populous emirates. Thus, Abu Dhabi and Dubai each appoint eight members to the FNC; Ras al Khaymah and Sharjah each appoint six members; and Ajman, Al Fujayrah, and Umm al Qaywayn each appoint four members. Members of the FNC must be citizens of the emirates they represent. The powers of the FNC include formulation of general policy; legislation on all matters of state; ratification of federal laws and decrees, including those relating to the annual budget, fiscal matters and ratification of international treaties and agreements. The FNC make decisions by a simple majority vote, except on substantive issues. Substantive issues require a two-thirds majority, including the votes of all Abu Dhabi and Dubai representatives. In practice, the FNC members have generally been legally obliged to leave each state to a higher degree of autonomy due to the weaknesses inherent in the provisional constitution. The most important role of the FNC is the appointment of the Prime Minister who can be any Trucial State citizen, and serves a five year term that can be renewed by the FNC.

As a general rule the Prime Ministers of The Trucial States have been traditionalists, who maintain the status quo, keeping the country in a slow relatively pro-western progression, and leaving most issues to be decided at State Level. However last year the FNC was in effect forced to appoint Abdullah bin Husayn al-Ahmar, a western educated businessman, due to his popularity among the people for pressuring a new constitution to unite the Trucial States. His administration immediately promised to deliver on his ambitions, and he is in the process of forcing the Emirate rulers, especially those of Dubai and Abu Dhabi into accepting a new constitution. This new document will finally set out Federal and local jurisdiction clearly and also centralize more power to the Prime Minister and FNC. Although his moves are not exactly being welcomed by the State royal families, having become used to governing their tiny kingdoms, it is being seen as a necessary step to faster progress and preventing discontent.

Military

Each Emirate in the federation maintains its own defence forces, until such time as the planned defence integration takes place with the signing of the new constitution, which unlike the provisional one, precludes Emirates from maintaining separate armed forces.

An organisation known as the Arab Frontier Force which is the only national military force and is designed principally for maintaining border and internal security. It is generally poorly funded by the Federal Budget, which despite the Emirates’ own wealth, is small due to the state rulers’ reluctance to pay into the Federal Budget, a situation which will also change pending the new constitution that fixes quotas. Although the system of separate small armies is inefficient, there is a system in place for national contingency where all Trucial States Forces would be under a single command structure, although this has never been done outside of training.

Arab Frontier Force (AFF)

Its total personnel strength is about 7,550. The AFF is organized into one brigade, consisting of three mechanized infantry battalions, one tank battalion, two Light Infantry battalion, an armored car squadron, an air defence battalion as well as two artillery and two mortar batteries. Its principal armored weapons are M-60A3 main battle tanks and M113 Armoured Personnel Carriers purchased from the United States in the late 1980s. The army's artillery pieces consist of a few towed 105mm and 155mm howitzers. Its principal antitank weapon is the TOW wire-guided missile. The Air Defence Battalion is equipped with Rapier and Hawk SAM Systems although a single Patriot Battery is operational. There is an AFF Air Wing, equipped with six Dauphin helicopters, two used for VIP transport and four used for general utilities as well three UH-1Hs, and a single Bell 206 for training. The AFF Maritime section operates a variety of small patrol craft, as well as three small landing craft and a Hovercraft.

Abu Dhabi Defence Force (ADDF)

The ADDF numbers approximately 32,000 and comprises the largest single military force in the Federation. The principal units are one mechanized infantry brigade, one armored brigade, one infantry brigade, one artillery brigade, and the Royal Guard, organized along brigade lines. Major weapons include French AMX-30 main battle tanks, of which there are nearly 300 and AMX-10 P ICVs. French armor predominates throughout the force; it includes reconnaissance vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, APCs, and 155mm self-propelled howitzers. A recent addition includes ASTROS II Rocket saturation systems. The ADDF also has a variety of older British armored vehicles, many of them in storage, as well as Brazilian APCs. The army's antitank missiles include over thirty TOWs from the United States, some of them mounted on Urutu chassis, as well as French Milan and HOT and older British Vigilant systems. The ADDF tactical air defense is limited to 20mm and 30mm guns and several RBS-70 SAMs.

The ADDF air force has 4,000 personnel and is organized into four fighter-ground attack squadrons, two air defense squadrons, and one counterinsurgency squadron, with various additional support flights. Two fighter-ground attack squadrons are equipped with a total of 31 Mirage IIIs, and one with Hawk 50s, the latter with a combined attack and training role. The fighter squadrons are composed of a total of 30 Mirage 2000-9s. The counterinsurgency squadron is equipped with the Italian Aermacchi MB326, also with a training role. In addition, the air force has four Saab 340 early warning aircraft. A small transport force consists of seven CN-235M Transports, four C-130H-30s and two C-130Es. There are 12 Gazelle helicopters, and a total of 17 Panther helicopters, two in ASW configuration, seven in the gunship role and eight used for transport. There are 18 Puma helicopters for transport, 22 AH-1Fs provide anti-tank support and helicopter training is provided by five BO105s. The Royal Flight consists of two Airbus A300-620s, two BAe 146-100s and three Super Pumas.

The Maritime Force of 600 personnel, includes five Piranha class PCFGs purchased from United Elias, a single Barracuda class corvette from the same source, and four dauphin helicopters used for ASW and SAR.


Dubai Defence Corps (DDC)

The DDC land element numbers approximately 19,000 personnel organized into regiments, although each regiment is of no more than battalion size. It includes two armored regiments composed of three tank squadrons; one armored reconnaissance regiment composed of three armored car squadrons; eight infantry regiments, three of three artillery regiments, one air defense regiment of two batteries; one infantry reconnaissance regiment composed of three reconnaissance companies; a special forces contingent and one field engineering regiment of three squadrons. Four brigade headquarters are maintained, within which the independent regiments can be combined into larger fighting units. The separate royal household troops consist of the Royal Guard, the Special Forces elements, and personnel to staff the royal yacht and a number of transport aircraft and helicopters.

The two tank squadrons are equipped with United States M-60A3 tanks. The armored car squadrons are outfitted with British Scorpion light tanks and Piranha LAVs. Mechanised infantry mounts on M113s, and British Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Artillery comprises of M109 self-propelled 155mm howitzers as well as ASTROS rocket systems. The DDC is widely regarded as the best equipped and organized of the Trucial States militaries.

With an estimated 1,700, personnel, the DDC Air Force has in its inventory about forty combat aircraft, 18 Mirage-2000-Es from France, 12 A-4 Skyhawks from the United States and 11 F-5Es, the latter used mainly for reconnaissance. Fifteen Hawk 100s provide training and light attack, while four C-130Hs and a single A310 provide transport. Four C-47TPs are configured for signals intelligence and electronic warfare, and another four for special forces use. A small helicopter force consists of 12 AH-64A Attack helicopters, and 17 Puma transport choppers, some fitted for assault missions with antitank missiles. Four Augusta 109s are used for helicopter training. A 747SP, two HS-125s and 2 Sikorsky S-76s are comprise the Royal flight.

550 personnel makeup the DDC Naval Force the navy equipped with two Lürssen sixty-two-meter corvettes. Two Dauphin helicopters armed with an anti-ship missiles have been delivered for use with the corvettes. The navy also has in its inventory four forty-five- meter Lürssen fast-attack craft and two thirty-eight-meter craft as well as two Piranha class PCFGs from United Elias.

Central Military Command (CMC)

Central Military Command includes Sharjah, Ajman, Al Fujayrah, Umm al Qaywayn and Ras al Khaymah, and was formed shortly after the Federation as a step towards military integration that the two major Trucial States never joined, and has approximately 16,000 officers and enlisted men. The principal combat formations are three armored brigades, one mechanized infantry brigade, and one artillery brigade with a regiment of self-propelled howitzers and a surface-to-surface missile (SSM) battalion. Whereas the ADDF and AFF are relatively well equipped the CMC ground element is about 2,000 men under strength with main equipment being AMX-13 Light Tanks, and Centurion Main Battle Tanks. It has various models of British armored cars and armored personnel carriers (APCs). Its artillery consists of 155mm self-propelled howitzers, mainly of French manufacture. It has a large inventory of antitank missile systems of British, French, and United States origin, however they are obsolescent. It also purchased the Soviet FROG-7, a mobile battlefield missile with a range of sixty kilometers.

The Central Military Command Air Wing is also antiquated with an estimated 650 personnel. It has twelve F-5Es, twelve Hawker Hunters and seven BAC Strikemasters, with thirteen C-47TPs providing transport and surveillance. A Helicopter force comprises 8 Bell 212s, and anti-tank supported is provided by 17 Alouette IIIs. A Maritime element consists of just under 200 personnel and is limited to small power boats and three small landing craft.


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Well, since I hadn't really much to do today, so I decided to put together a much more comprehensive guide to Sabir.

Background:

Formed in the early ‘50’s by Kurdish freedom fighters from the remnants of a shattered Syria, Kurdistan was a home to all sorts of refugees for a decade, opening her borders to Kurds from all countries. She was beloved by the west, because of her democratic process and, more importantly, her potential as a foothold in the communist Middle East. Turkey was eventually persuaded by the United Nations into splitting off its southern provinces to Kurdistan to accommodate the growing population. As most of the south-east was a quite inhospatible enviroment, Turkey complied.

A young, ambitious, Sunni Syrian general, Ziyad Sa’id Sabir, who had been banished from his homeland after the invasion, sought revenge, and was easily persuaded by intelligence agents from United Elias, then a fierce communist nation, into organizing a coup d’etat, which he did, gathering thousands of proud Syrian nationalists in exile.

The state of Kurdistan proved instable, her military in disarray after the mainstay, Syrian officers, had been killed or deported. Ziyad made a quick dash for Damascus from Jordania, and within a day, the entire government had been eliminated with the use of intensive aerial and artillery bombardments. The West didn’t interfere, but chose to establish solid trade embargoes and covert operations behind enemy lines instead. However, an assasination attempt on Ziyad, now having declared himself President-for-Life of the new state named after himself, Sabir, had gone horribly wrong, when a Turkish embassy employee was caught with a smoking gun in his hand, just having missed the soft-skinned roof top of the President’s motor cade, and the whole case publicized. The West abandoned their support of Turkey and recognized the new government, which had just indicated her eagerness to open its borders to the West. Sabir copied the democratic system off Kurdistan on a federal level, but Ziyad remained President-for-Life, completely puppeting the Juidical Branch, consisting of the High Court, the State Security Court and the Constutional Court as prime, dominant institutes.

In 1976, after the loss of the Golan Heights in 1967, Ziyad assimilated Lebanon in a three day war to form a strategic buffer between Israel and Sabir. The corrupted, helpless country didn’t put up much resistance, and ironically, the entire process was tolerated by the world when Ziyad simply stated that he had plans to neutralize the PLO, using Lebanon as their re-supply point to terrorize Israel, while he was a secret, but vivid supporter of the same organization.

The modern, or current, Sabir is under the administration of Fayiz Abdullah Sabir, the son of the founder. Ziyad retired for medical reasons in 1985.

Geography:

The Free Republic of Sabir encompasses former Syria, former Lebanon and a small number of Turkish provinces.

Most of Sabir’s inhospatible landscape is occupied by seemingly endless desert plateau, but a rugged string of mountains can found both in the north and west, a small strip of fertile coastal plains located behind it, particulary in former Lebanon. The country’s natural resources are mostly situated in former Syria and southern Turkey, where iron ore, copper, coal, marble, chrome and crude oil can be found.

People:

Sabir has quite a diverse population due to her large territory, whose borders cut right through a number of ethnic regions. The overwhelming majority is Arab, mostly of either Sunni or Druze faith, but traces of the ethnic and military invasion nearly half a century ago are still evident, as a strong Kurdish and Turkish minority dominates the ethnic makeup statistics in the north and east of the country. Ancient Jewish communities, though rather disliked by the various Arab groups, have established themselves centuries ago in the major cities, but these are of tiny proportions.

Most religional communities are quite moderate and accepting, but deep-rooted, ancient hostilities and radical Alawite muslims in the desolate south and east provoke violent tensions and hate between the various ethnic groups.

Government:

Sabir is an authoritarian republic under military regime, but is relatively federalized, and fairly democratic on lower local politics levels, which suggests the illusion of a free country. However, Fayiz Abdullah Sabir is the President-for-Life and holds the actual power over the nation, He controls the executive and judicial branches through either physical intimidation, bribery, or puppeteering.

The People's Council, or Majlis Al-Shaab, is the last obstacle to his unlimited political power and contains the last remnants of opposition, but these aren’t united into one front, often just bickering with each other, which makes it rather easy for the President to get every possible law ratified. Still, it’s quite dangerous to serve as one of the opposing People’s Representatives, as regularly, they tend to disappear for no particular reason at all.

Economy:

Though a ruthless dictator, Fayiz is quite knowledgable on the subject of economics, having run through Harvard Business School, and several other universities around the globe, including a seven year study in South Africa. Fayiz has adopted conservative, but highly efficient economy policies, focusing on battling inflation and liberalizing trade, which has given Sabir a comparatively high GPD of nearly 9,000 USD and a high job growth.

While heavy industries are the pillar of the Sabirian economy, the quite limited oil reserves have forced the nation to switch over to textile and clothing industries for export, while mines and oil fields are mainly exploited for internal use.

Tourism is also becoming increasingly important. Seaside resorts and hotels are popping up like mushrooms, while Fayiz has commisioned several special paramilitary security groups to protect tourists from the crime and poverty in the slums.

The only real restraints on steady economic growth are the crippling corruption in the public services, a legacy of the few years under a communist administration, high crime rates and the lack of fresh water, due to increased water pollution and rapid population growth. All combined, these factors deter foreign investors from establishing themselves within Sabirian boundaries and exploit the cheap labor force, compared to the level of education. Therefore, despite personal stimulation of domestic software development by the President, the economy is devoid of any production capabilities for hardware more complicated than Vietnam–era military electronics.

Military:

Ordened along the U.S. table of organization and equipment, the Sabirian Armed Forces is quite an effective fighting force up to platoon level, but any higher, blantant policalization and outright incompetence of the officer corps take their toll. Combat brigades are poorly co-ordinated in joint asssaults with other units or services and the equipment is aging, vietnam-era junk, as Fayiz is more concerned with his troops being able to fight than employing all sorts of expensive equipment. He has made sure a stunning ninety per cent of the entire budget goes to upkeep of the fielded hardware, which has a positive effect on the operational readiness of most units.

Army:

The Sabirian Arab Army has a total personnel strength of about 128,600 and consists of three armored brigades, six mechanized infantry brigades, nine corps-level artillery brigades, three corps-level engineering brigades, three corps-level air defense brigades, one airborne infantry batallion and a classified number of chemical warfare batallions, specialized in both the detection and neutralization of toxic agents, as the distribution among artillery units. A great deal of costs is spared with putting up to two-thirds of the entire force into reserve conditions, which means just sixty days of training a year for these units.

Basic infantry is equipped with a wonderful diverse collection of rifles and machine guns, including the G3, the FN FAL, the M14 and the M60, as squad machine gun, but they are all chambered in the same calibre, .308 Winchester. The ancient FN Browning “Hi Power” pistol is the standard issue sidearm. An arsenal of infantry-portable Milan launchers is also available, serving as the prime anti-tank missile for the active Sabirian infantry forces. In the reserves, Milans are scarce and the forces mainly rely on the popular RPG-7V.

Hauling the iron of all motorized units are Russian Ural-4320 trucks and UAZ-469 utility vehicles. A scarce collection of Unimog trucks and Land Rover Defenders serve the need of transport requirements fot the airborne infantry units and other special forces. Most Army field units are equipped with the venerable M113 as their main armored chassis, modified for a number of duties, including combat engineering. The M48A5 is the standard battle tank for all mechanized infantry units and the M60A1 for all armored units. M109A2 155mm self-propelled howitzers, along with ancient Soviet BM-21 122mm Grad multiple-rocket launchers on the M48 chassis and M114 155mm towed artillery pieces form the cornerstone for the entire artillery force. Air defense units are equipped with Roland 2 and Mistral SAM systems on the M48 chassis, along with a number of obsolete M163 20mm AA guns. The standard antitank missile is an early variant of the TOW missile. A potent but aging helicopter force comprises of dozens of early, obsolete variants of the AH-1 gunship, the UH-1 Huey and SA.330 Puma transport helicopters, and the SA-342 Gazelle recon chopper, all Vietnam-era vintage.

Navy:

The Sabirian Arab Navy (SAN) has approximately 12,000 men in service and is therefore the smallest of the three major branches. The SAN employs a varied collection of vessels, the combat element consisting of thirty-two Boghammer class motorized gunboats, six Spica-M class fast attack craft, four Adjudant class coastal minesweepers, three Commandant Riviere class patrol frigates, modified for the use of light Mistral SAMs, and a pair of Agosta class patrol submarines. Eight light harbour tugs, six small utilily landing craft, five salvage tugs, two small tanker ships, one Luneberg Class supply tender and a small oil rig supply tug, modified for electronix surveillance, provide various support services. Nine Hueys and four Puma helicopters fill both SAR and ASW roles, as well as general transport duties.

Air Force:

The Sabirian Arab Air Force (SAAF) is the favoured branch by the President, and recieves, compared to its size, the most funding. The main combat complement is formed by over one hundred-eighty Mirage 2000 C, Mirage F1 and J37 Viggen fighter aircraft, configured for various roles, including reconnaissance, strike and trainer versions. Twenty-four PC-7 Pilatus turboprop aircraft, along with twelve L-39s and sixteen MD 500 light attack helicopters provide basic training services. The SAAF’s limited airlift and aerial refuelling force fields nine An-12s, five C-130Bs, four leased An-70s, under civilian authority, and two KC-707s. Six Falcon 50 and five Falcon 900s are serviced for V.I.P. transport duties. Two additional Falcon 900s are geared towards electronic surveillance.

A moderately-sized helicopter force to complement the Army Air Corps employs sixteen AH-1G attack helicopters, thirty-two Alouette III light attack helicopters, and twelve SA. 330L Pumas. The total estimated manpower of the SAAF is about 25,000.

After reading the first page, I have no problem "downgrading" to modern world standards again. A lot of my "new technology" is actually RL/modern/civilian technology applied to fit new doctrines.

So what exactly is left open? If there is any teritory, I'd love to calim some and begin.

Well, anything not claimed on the first page is open, but I personally would urge you to join either North America, South America, or Europe, as it is rather empty there. Also, this is not your standard Earth. It's sort of closed role playing group, with realism and actual populations, and you'll have to be approved by two members. Maybe you could provide a sample of your writing skill? And, if you are allowed in, personally I would urge you to be Poland or Germany, although that is for rather selfish reasons that I ask you... :)

I've been desperately trying to figure out exactly who is where, and I must admit its gotten somewhat confused with numerous bids, acceptances, pending decisions, and prospective members who've lost interest. I've got two continental maps, Asia & Europe, though they arent anywhere near complete...

http://img198.exs.cx/img198/7030/amab0hi.jpg
Asia

http://img198.exs.cx/img198/5742/euroamw7gp.jpg
Europe

Maybe they'll provide a little spot of help.

Actually, could Quinntonia update the main roster? It is as of now outdated and confusing...

Will it be alright if some of my other RP allies join this group and take maybe Germany or Italy?

Well, they would have to apply here first. If they're any good, sure, but you should warn them that they'll have to catch up on the whole Lavragerian affair, and the Russian civil war...It's a lot to catch up on...

The Eternal Empire is offering to take Germany if it is available.

Are you one of Sino's buddies? Well, you seem pretty established, (over 1000 posts) so I'll give you my stamp of approval. You need someone else's as well. Try TGing Quinntonia or Dra-Pol. Maybe provide a sample?

After reading the first page, I have no problem "downgrading" to modern world standards again. A lot of my "new technology" is actually RL/modern/civilian technology applied to fit new doctrines.

We can have up to 2015 tech and no more. If its truly modern tech, it'll give the West unfair advantage with their F/a-22s and JSFs, considering the rest of the world cannot counter such systems at present.

Are you one of Sino's buddies? Well, you seem pretty established, (over 1000 posts) so I'll give you my stamp of approval. You need someone else's as well. Try TGing Quinntonia or Dra-Pol. Maybe provide a sample?

Yeah, he's with me. There are others coming soon, also very talent RP'ers.

Alright, with two approvals, he can get started. Although, I'd prefer if the "head honchos" had some input. Anyway, go to the "A Modern World" region, check out the link for the events thread, and try to catch up on European events. Mainly, you'll want to look at the events surrounding Lavrageria.

((Wow wow wow. Before I get Germany next to me, and Europe gets another major power, we some good RP examples for us all, and I want Quinntonia Dra-pols approval. What kind of government, etc. Same goes for other applicants. And this is AMW, not a futuristic setting. Contemporary technology only.))

Hey, Elkazor, I updated with the escapades of the A Team!

I'll give you my approval. Actually, the rule is, if you get 2 approvals, you're already part of the rp group.

BTW, I believe Hainan Dao is CHuang-Han's, not Sino, I think they agreed to that.

A Modern World
-With undisputed, active players and up-to-date real world populations (which may potentially be tweaked to fit):

Quinntonia
-USA
293million
-Hamhung & Hungnam
Enclave on east coast of north Korea, claimed by Dra-pol
6million

Hudecia
-Canada
32.5million

Dra-pol
-Korea
Northern half of peninsula governed, Quinntonian enclave and southern half claimed.
34million

Marimaia
-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Burma, Union of Burma
UoB semi-autonomous
127million (incl. UoB- division of Burma's 43m. population unconfirmed)

Beth Gellert
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh
300million

Andaman and Nicobar
-Andaman and Nicobar Islands
360thousand

Oshima and Izu
-Japan
127million

United Elias
-Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Belize, Seychelles, Western Gabon
Around 125million+

Bonstock
-Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia
Around 265million, though the nation is in IC turmoil and its future composition is uncertain.

Roycelandia
-Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St Kitts and Nevis, Attu and Kisaka Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Southern Gabon
Around 128million

Lusaka
-Most of Tanzania, Eastern Zambia, part of DR Congo
42million

Al Khals
-Remainder of Tanzania
4million

Strathdonia
-Malawi
12million

African Commonwealth
-Most of DR Congo, northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi
72million+

The British Federation
-The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its Overseas Territories
-60million

Lavrageria
-Belarus
10.4million

The Estenlands
-Ukraine
48million

Bendorel
-Sicily, Sardinia, Malta
Over 7 million?

Elkazor
-France
60million

Armandian Cheese
-Russia
145million+

Al-Ahzad
-Oman and Yemen less Socotra
Around 23million

SwissCorp
-Switzerland
7.5million

Note on the unique status of the Lyong players
The Lyong Peninsula is yet the only fictional land mass recognised within the Modern World. It is included due to the early involvement of its principle occupants in MW-related RPs and the developmental history invested by these nations in both Lyong and the MW. It is the exception rather than the rule. The peninsula extends from mainland Asia into the Sea of Japan between Korea and Honshu.

Spyr
-Lyong Peninsula
60million

North Yaman
-Lyong Peninsula
15million

Pending applications, disputed claims, potential changes, et cetera
Sure to cause controversy, this section will be full of nations that need only indicate continued interest before being considered full members, of current accepted members contemplating a last minute change to their claim, and to current members that I just have a problem with, right?

Lunatic Retard Robots
Unquestionably an accepted and willing member of the MW community, the issue here is just the final specifics of Hindustan's Indian extent.

Sino
-Much of southern China
Around 600million?
The issues here are several fold. First, Sino is really fricking annoying to play with and hardly even close to rock and roll fun. Second, do we even know that he actually accepts the Modern World as his, with its inherent limitations to population, science, and outside interaction? Seriously, do we?

Xiaguo
-Northern China
Around 700million?
The problem here, as I see it, is that Xiaguo has long been tied to Sino in-character, and wouldn’t work within the modern world if Sino were not confirmed as a part of it. The same issues effect the other Chinas, below.

Chuang-Han China
-Part of southern China
Around 96million?
See above.

_Taiwan
-Taiwan
Around 22million
Again, see above. I am not sure that _Taiwan is keen on being bound by the limitations that membership in A Modern World would place upon his previously powerful nation, which traditionally enjoyed resources and wealth enough to push the bounds of modern technology, for example.

I think that one of the major issues facing A Modern World is the China situation. We need all of us to seriously consider whether it is a workable relationship that is best for all concerned. It may be that we continue as is, or it may be that the Chinas have too much desire for freedom in the wider NS, and that the MW would be better served by opening the China slot up to a new occupant or occupants.

This I look at as an opportunity to really clarify our venture, and if anybody has other concerns, now is the time to cease being afraid to express them. There has been much OOC animosity surrounding both China and Bonstock, and between us all we must make decisions for the good of all RPers.

Simba
-Mozambique
19million
Simba is the final part of the SSA region, but has not confirmed his own interest and as such may fade from consideration

Kopparbergs
-Sweden
9million
I am aware of little opposition to Kopparbergs’s claim, but it is yet less definite than those listed above, which are cemented in role-play. The main issue is probably whether the player still desires to take part.

Promise of Joshua
-Norway
4.5million
Unlikely to face much opposition but recently inactive in the MW community.

Sabir/Al-Sabir
-Syria, Lebanon, and the Turkish provinces of Hatay, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa, Kilis, Mardin, Osmaniye, Diyarbakir, Adiyaman, Batman, Sirnak, Siirt
Almost 30million
I think that Al-Sabir's proposal, as Sabir, is likely to confirmed, but wish only to provide the chance for anyone to voice opposition.

Asgard Combine
-Iceland
Around 300,000
Seems to have general support. I see no reason to oppose the application. Possible question over whether we should allow the player a slight boost in population (still within realistic levels for the territory).

Other issues and disputes



(For everyone's Reference)

Still, would not Quinntonia's official seal of approval be nice to have?

Sure, of course,he's the brains for this rp, however, Dra-Pol's list^ is very biased. LOL, note that Chinese took a beating from him^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Littleredboi/nsmap.gif
This is what the map looks like. Xiaguo controls the Kingdom of Sichuan and the Socialist State of Mongolia.

((Of course, 2 approvals. However, there still neds to be a good RP sample. That is a basic factor. Germany is a big country.))

We can have up to 2015 tech and no more. If its truly modern tech, it'll give the West unfair advantage with their F/a-22s and JSFs, considering the rest of the world cannot counter such systems at present.

But considering most of the alternate histories that people are using, the West isn't economically or technologically dominant. I've seen others such as Roycelandia field F-22 equivalents, so do we generally agree that F-22 or equivalents are the technological pinacle of AMW?

(Also the JSF doesn't come until 2009)

-----------------------------------

Yeah, I think we need to see an RP sample first.

Eesh, looks like I should have been around more, so much is going on!

[reads]

Well, hello!

Does Unified Sith understand everything about AMW? In that it works on real-world populations in order to give people more choice about how powerful they want to be, and, more importantly, to do away with the problems of Dra-pol's own multi-million-man armies and the developed world's ability to say, "well, the US can do this... and I've got ten times as much money, so I can [something uber]". That is to say, the nation played in AMW is one's entire nation, not an imperial holding of some greater NS-world state, right?

If so, then I don't think that I have any serious cause to oppose his playing a state over Germany. It can actually be Germany (as AC plays Russia, for example) or be something quite different (as LLR plays Hindustan over just part of India), of course.

As to tech, I think that we want to be very careful, so we don't fall back into what we had before. As _Taiwan says, the east/west (or some would say north/south) divides of the real world aren't quite so, here. The east has at least two already wealthy and developed Indian states, and, for example, BG flies a pretty cutting-edge fighter in the NT4 Hobgoblin (of which Dra-pol has two squadrons in more modest export configuration) that can give the F-22 a run for its money. I think that we should agree that this sort of thing is absolutely the cutting edge, fielded only by the most wealthy nations (Dra-pol isn't much of an exception, as we have only two squadrons, need to keep BG sweet in order to acquire spare parts and missiles for them, have them in export configuration, and can only support them because we're a reclusive paranoid state sinking a third of its resources into the military).

I just wouldn't like to see the skies filling with Mach 6 sub-orbital stealth bombers that nobody can hit back at, you know?

I should update the second post, then. Looks like the Chinas are all sticking with it, I think Sabir's generally accepted, now, and I'll put Sith in 'in pencil' as they say.

Ok, Armandian Cheese, I'm planning to send diplomats and representatives over to Russia on a Possible Alliance. If you wish, I can make a new thread to discuss peace and cooperation.

I'll take Italy if it's available.

Ok, Armandian Cheese, I'm planning to send diplomats and representatives over to Russia on a Possible Alliance. If you wish, I can make a new thread to discuss peace and cooperation.
Well, how about we have a thread on a general Russian-Chinese diplomatic conference, so we can include the many other Chinese states that I have had little contact with. And can somebody put some names on that map? Or a key?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Littleredboi/nsmap.gif
This is what the map looks like. Xiaguo controls the Kingdom of Sichuan and the Socialist State of Mongolia.

Xiaguo cuts Sino in half?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8068780#post8068780

Asian Union



BTW, The South may be small, but has a much higher population than the North, and man coastal cities are big and rich due to trade. And eyah, the map did not include Sichuan for Xiaguo, Sino had agree on having 4 provinces in the South.

OCC: Do you think I could RP East Timor as well as Hindustan? I would very much like to dabble in the third world.

And even if I would imagine it somewhat...friendly towards the current Indias, with less than a million people and an economy still recovering from what could probably be interpreted as a long war for independence from Bonstock, there's not much that it can do in the event of a war. With military expenditures amounting to all of 4.4 million dollars, it wouldn't be a threat to anyone, but I would like to take East Timor through its paces, if that's alright.

Sure, I have nothing against that.

OCC: Do you think I could RP East Timor as well as Hindustan? I would very much like to dabble in the third world.

And even if I would imagine it somewhat...friendly towards the current Indias, with less than a million people and an economy still recovering from what could probably be interpreted as a long war for independence from Bonstock, there's not much that it can do in the event of a war. With military expenditures amounting to all of 4.4 million dollars, it wouldn't be a threat to anyone, but I would like to take East Timor through its paces, if that's alright.
COuld you make a puppet country for it, or make it a protectorate of Hindustan? It would avoid confusion.

I'll take Italy if it's available.
Errr, hello?

Could you provide an Rp sample? Describe how your country is run?

Actually, speaking of rp sample. I need to post my current government, and how it works. It has changed quite a lot, so that in the future everyone can help me out by not pissing me off. j/k



Confederate States of China C.S.C. - Xiaguo
Socialist Monarchy: The Emperor is the supreme ruler. Two houses, Parliament and National Congress. Monarchy with Socialist Governing systems.

- Special Governing Regions -
Mongolian People's Republic
Xinjiang Turkish Republic

- Kingdoms (Has a self governed tax rate, and army, navy, and airforce) -
The Kingdom of Sichuan
The Imperial State of Dongbei (Xiaguo Proper)

OCC: Very nice.

Here's my information:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/tt

I would imagine that the country is a bit better off than it really is, owing to the influx of Hindustani aid in the way of infrastructure and medical equipment, and the anti-independence militias have largely been subdued.

The military, consisting of around 1,500 full-time personnel and 1,000 reserves, is mostly a light infantry force, the stats of which follow:

TGDF

The Timorese Ground Defense Force numbers about 1,000 personnel and 750 reserves. Equipment is basic, but has been enhanced visibly with token Hindustani aid in the way of Milan missiles, RPG-7s, and APC-1 (similar to the OT-62) AFVs.

The average soldier wears a uniform similar to that of the Hindustani infantry, and carries an Ak-47 or FN-FAL, as well as a LAW or RPG-7 rocket perhaps. There are around 50 Milan complexes in the TGDF, as well as around 20 106mm recoil-less rifles.

The TGDF operates about 100 armored vehicles. AMX-13s form the basis of the tank force, and the OT-62 functions as an all-purpose vehicle. Some have been seen equipped with extra armor and ZSU-23-2 cannons.

TAF

The Timorese Airforce, a force of about 150, is concerned with the flight and upkeep of six J-35 Drakens (fighter/attack), one Fouga Magister (trainer/attack), four Westland Sea Kings (anti shipping/anti submarine/assault transport), and one C-212 (transport/radar post). The airforce's weapons include the Python and AA-7 AAMs and Sea Skua and Sea Eagle ASMs. Folding-fin rockets and freefall bombs can presumably be installed for ground attack missions.

TMDF

The Timorese Maritime Defense Force, which consists of 250 personnel, has played a vital role in fighting anti-independence militias, and is tasked with anti-smuggling, anti-piracy, and coastal patrol duties.

The TMDF operates around eight fast patrol vessels, similar to the Norwegian Hauk class, and armed with a 40mm cannon as well as Sea Skua missiles. While besides small MG-equipped patrol boats this is the extent of the TMDF's inventory, the government has been looking into the purchase of an F-2000 series corvette from BAE systems.

I think the development of East Timor would be better fit into the actual threads going on about post-FRB development in Indonesia, rather than a simple declaration of a new state with a fully equipped military. After all, with the more stable parts of Indonesia still trying to pull themselves fully back on track, it hardly seems kosher to just have Timor pop up as a stabilized protectorate.

After all, both big players out of the former FRB have vested intrests in Timor that would likely not sit by and allow it to develop free of meddling... Kalla through the militant muslim minority and Sujava because Timor lies within the bounds of its current territorial claims as part of the Lesser Sundas.

Not to mention Quinntonia's massed military forces which arrived in eastern indonesia might have taken an intrest in its largely Christian poplation, and its proximity to East Islandia.

Could you provide an Rp sample? Describe how your country is run?
How my country is run....

It differs slightly from my regular NS country in that it's more Romanized than usual.

Roman Empire-

It's basicly a modern version of the Roman Empire, it's ruled by an emperor with full control of practically everything and a senate to act as a sort of advisory apparatus. The government is rabidly right-wing, and is a Catholic theocracy (seeing that the Pope is in Rome and all), there's an Inquisition (which has evolved into a sort of secret police force) which freely tortures criminals, and the death penalty is used on practically every crime imaginable. Tax rates are nonexistant, there's no firearms laws to speak of, so yeah, you can probably get the picture.

I'll go dig up a link to some of my RPing.

Well, how does the government run the huge secret police and military with nonesixtant tax rates? Great, yet another ancient regime is revived. France is in a Bourbon Monarchy, Ukraine is a Tsarist stronghold, and now Italy is going to back to the days of the Roman Empire. That will be interesting...

Well, how does the government run the huge secret police and military with nonesixtant tax rates? Great, yet another ancient regime is revived. France is in a Bourbon Monarchy, Ukraine is a Tsarist stronghold, and now Italy is going to back to the days of the Roman Empire. That will be interesting...
Hmmm, good point. Forget that part, then.

Besides that, seems good. If you can show a smaple RP or writing, and it is good, you shall receive...the Armand Stamp of aproval! (Shines, chorus of angles sing "Hallelujah")

Wow, another authoriatrian right-wing paradise, this is looking good! Of course we can have loads of secret police and low taxes because we're sitting on the biggest damn pile of crude in the whole frickin' world. So live free or drive!

Yeah, but what'll the Italians do? Sell wine to cover low taxes? Wait...He controls the Catholic Church...He could sell indulgences again...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357482&highlight=invasion+grenada

That's some of my best RPing right there. Well, the Italians can do what they do in real life, make money by selling weapons (Beretta, Benelli, and Franchi are all Italian arms manufacturing companies), making shoes, selling wine, ect.

I think the development of East Timor would be better fit into the actual threads going on about post-FRB development in Indonesia, rather than a simple declaration of a new state with a fully equipped military. After all, with the more stable parts of Indonesia still trying to pull themselves fully back on track, it hardly seems kosher to just have Timor pop up as a stabilized protectorate.

After all, both big players out of the former FRB have vested intrests in Timor that would likely not sit by and allow it to develop free of meddling... Kalla through the militant muslim minority and Sujava because Timor lies within the bounds of its current territorial claims as part of the Lesser Sundas.

Not to mention Quinntonia's massed military forces which arrived in eastern indonesia might have taken an intrest in its largely Christian poplation, and its proximity to East Islandia.

OCC: Oh, I never thought of that. Very sorry.

Perhaps Tajikstan would be a better choice. It is very much off the radar of the world, but could come into play as it shares (correct me if I'm wrong) a border with Xinjiang.

But there could also be some interesting internal RPing, as there are numerous rebel factions.

[OOC: Well, I'm not saying that you shouldnt RP a Timorese state, just that if you do, you should put it through the 'gauntlet' of politics in the former Bonstock and give the various entities a chance to respond.

Sujava certainly wouldnt fight to suppress Timorese independance... a democratic process was held wherein they allowed the separation of Aceh province and Sunda, so if the Timorese had been eager for independance, and the Quinntonians hadnt moved in to sieze control before the Spyran-Sujavan officials did, they would almost certainly have been granted sovreignty over Timor (likely not just the east, as under Bonstock the Timorese werent divided).]

OCC: No, it would be too confusing to have East Timor pop out of the already-established Indonesian situation.

I think I'd rather have more of a mountainous, desert type country anyhow. And plus, it will be interesting to see how the whole Xinjiang situation plays into the Tajik political climate.

OCC: No, it would be too confusing to have East Timor pop out of the already-established Indonesian situation.

I think I'd rather have more of a mountainous, desert type country anyhow. And plus, it will be interesting to see how the whole Xinjiang situation plays into the Tajik political climate.

there's always iran

The current list for AMW, as far as I can determine it. Nations in bold may have unanswered questions remaining which should be considered to prevent future confusion, those in red are, I think, the ones still pending full approval. If there are any errors/omissions/objections, please shout them out loud and clear!

Quinntonia
-USA
293million
-Hamhung & Hungnam
Enclave on east coast of north Korea, claimed by Dra-pol
6million

Hudecia
-Canada
32.5million

Dra-pol
-Korea
Northern half of peninsula governed, Quinntonian enclave and southern half claimed. (Succesful conflict for Unification brought territory including Seoul under Drapoel control, so NK-SK proportions differ from RL)
34million

Marimaia
-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Burma, Union of Burma
UoB semi-autonomous
127million (incl. UoB- division of Burma's 43m. population unconfirmed)

Beth Gellert
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh
300million

Andaman and Nicobar
-Andaman and Nicobar Islands
360thousand

Oshima and Izu
-Japan
127million

Bonstock
(Bonstock was disintegrated as a federal entity during a recent conflict, and for the time being constitutes several new states:

--Indonesia (Hudecia)
-Sulawesi, Aceh, Sunda (Western Java less Jakarta), Borneo (less Brunei).
Approx. 110 million

--Sujava (Spyr)
-Java (less Sunda), Sumatra (less Aceh, incl. Riau-Lingga Archipelago), Madura, Bali, Lesser Sunda Islands (to Tanimbar).
Approx. 140 million.

--Singapore (Bonstock)
-Singapore
4.3 million

--Malaysia (Marimaia)
-Malaysia (less Sabah & Sarawak)
Approx. 20 million

--Iriyan Jaya
-Eastern half of New Guinea, Moluccas.
3 to 4 million.
(was under Quinntonian occupation, I’m not certain of their current state)

Roycelandia
-Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St Kitts and Nevis, Attu and Kisaka Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Southern Gabon
Around 128million

Lusaka
-Most of Tanzania, Eastern Zambia, part of DR Congo
42million

Al Khals
-Remainder of Tanzania
4million

Strathdonia
-Malawi
12million

African Commonwealth
-Most of DR Congo, northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi
72million+

The British Federation
-The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its Overseas Territories
60million
(One thing to work out might be which overseas territories. I’m fairly certain of Gibraltar, and there was a conflict over St. Helena with United Elias which needs resolution?)

United Elias
-Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Belize, Seychelles, Western Gabon
Around 125million+

Lavrageria
-Belarus
10.4million

The Estenlands
-Ukraine
48million

Bendorel
-Sicily, Sardinia, Malta
Over 7 million?

Elkazor
-France
60million

Armandian Cheese
-Russia (less Primorye)
145million+

Al-Ahzad
-Oman and Yemen (less Socotra)
Around 23million

SwissCorp
-Switzerland
7.5million

Spyr
-Lyong Peninsula
60million

Tord
-Lyong Peninsula
20 million

North Yaman
-Lyong Peninsula
15million

Lunatic Retard Robots
- Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, About 1/4th of Uttar Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bihar, Matharashtra, Gujarat
About 370 million people.
(Is this the final shape of LRR? And, which 1/4th? Plus, uncertainty over Goa… was it decided as a colonial holdout, claimed by one of the Indian powers, hm?)

Mahratta Confederacy
-Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, ¾ of Uttar Pradesh, Uttranchal, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir.
266,121,282.

East Islandia
-Australia
Approx. 20 million
(May or may not also include New Zealand and/or western New Guinea?)

Sino
-Much of southern China
Around 600million
(Sino is a bit controversial… many other AMW players consider him a bit difficult to get along with, myself sometimes included, primarily due to his tendency to mix IC and OOC racism in his posts. However, in recent post, he has indicated that he will try to limit such comments to IC statements, which would seem acceptable).

Xiaguo-Northern China, Mongolia.
Around 700million
(not certain about full extent of Xiaguo… has Sino approved of the Xiannese annexation of Sichuan?)

Chuang-Han China
-Part of southern China, including Hainan.
Around 96million

_Taiwan
-Taiwan
Around 22million
(_Taiwan has confirmed acceptance of AMW technological levels)

Simba
-Mozambique
19million
(has not yet expressed interest)

Kopparbergs
-Sweden
9million

Promise of Joshua
-Norway
4.5million

Sabir/Al-Sabir
-Syria, Lebanon, and the Turkish provinces of Hatay, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa, Kilis, Mardin, Osmaniye, Diyarbakir, Adiyaman, Batman, Sirnak, Siirt
Almost 30million

Asgard Combine
-Iceland
Around 300,000 (questions remain over exact population, and acceptable level to which it might be increased. Asgard Combine has suggested possibly 1.5 million?).


Kill YOU Dead
-Armenia, Georgia, Azerbajian
Approx. 15.5 million

Trucial States
-United Arab Emirates
2.5 to 3.4 million?

Doomingsland
-Italy (less Sicily & Sardinia)
Approx. 51.5 million

Unified Sith
-Germany
82.5 million

Corporate Bangladesh
-Bangladesh
141 million
(also expressed interest in claiming Pakistan)

Piquantrax
-Puerto Rico
Approx. 4 million

Rubberduckistan
-Finland
5 million

Wulashien/Sangun: I havent heard much from either recently, and I know Sangun has been written off as NPC Vietnam develops. Can anyone confirm our Phillipines continued presence?

Approval: "Two member acceptance = approval"... a guiding principle, but I dont think it should be a simple 'bang! bang! you're in!' I'd suggest a day or so waiting period at least, for the asking of questions and raising of objections, so that we dont have misunderstandings/OOC conflicts.

Sichuan and several other provinces were actually unclaimed and then I took it in since I am a very land-hungry person. Sino still has 4 of his original pronvicial territories.

Doomingsland seems like a fairly good RPer, so....*stamps approved*

and MC is Tokarev, so *stamps approval*

The current list for AMW, as far as I can determine it. Nations in bold may have unanswered questions remaining which should be considered to prevent future confusion, those in red are, I think, the ones still pending full approval. If there are any errors/omissions/objections, please shout them out loud and clear!

Kopparbergs
-Sweden
9million

Approval: "Two member acceptance = approval"... a guiding principle, but I dont think it should be a simple 'bang! bang! you're in!' I'd suggest a day or so waiting period at least, for the asking of questions and raising of objections, so that we dont have misunderstandings/OOC conflicts.

I hereby confirms my interest to participate as Sweden. However, I don't know if I have recieved two approvals?

EDIT: I have RP'd alot with Doomingsland in Earth V, so this opens up for good RP's in Europe.

A question: As I have a very small population, 9 million, can I have a military size which normally would fit a population of say, 30 million? If I count on 3%, the total military personnel will be 0.9 million (), still a small army.

Can you provide an RP sample?

Can you provide an RP sample?

Yes, of course:

A short one, takeover of Jan Mayen Island, Earth III:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377910

Closing the borders of Kopparbergs, Earth II (was in E-II a short time, now my puppet Baltic Karelia has taken over my Earth-II holdings):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375357

Invasion of Nicaragua, HP/IH:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362916

Invasion of Ecuador, HP/IH:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359913

And I have RP'd alot in Earth-V, but all RP there takes place in one giant thread, so I cannot give you a link to them...

Here's a one from the new Earth-V forums where we keep every incident in a separate thred. My invasion of Israel (not completed yet):
http://www.zifos.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=46

A question: As I have a very small population, 9 million, can I have a military size which normally would fit a population of say, 30 million? If I count on 3%, the total military personnel will be 0.9 million (), still a small army.

The great thing about AMW is that it allows this sort of thing to be worked out. Theres nothing neccessarily wrong with a massive army, so long as you roleplay the consequences.

At 0.9 million, you'd have almost a third of your total labour power devoted to the military... the remaining 2/3rds would have difficulty just supporting such numbers, so modern equipment would be difficult to supply to most units. And, with production monopolized by military support, theres not much left for anything else, whch would lead to economic collapse ala North Korea. (though that hasn't stopped Dra-pol from RPing such).

The current Swedish army might provide a key to solving the military number problem. While full-time active strength is around 15,000 men, this is only 5% of regular strength. Sweden's military numbers balloon to 270,000 or thereabouts when you include the part-time soldiers. Naturally, this makes a highly trained and equipped core and a much less well trained and motivated reserve force, but it allows labour hours to be freed for non-military applications.

The Swedish army is a conscript army, with most males serving at least 7 months. Sweden has a policy of retaining former conscripts 'on-call' until the age of 47. This means that a secondary reserve of a million men stands available for use. Their training is substantially less than their regular counterparts, and theyd use a lot of older equipment, but they would assist effectively in home defence alongside the regular armed forces. However, losing so much labour power is only worth the cost in the event of an invasion of Sweden, where economic collapse is a lesser concern compared to destruction.

Not that you have to do anything like RL Sweden... but theyve had to overcome the same problem you do and have managed it quite effectively.

(SOURCE: Kingdom of Sweden submission to the Vienna Exchange of Information on Defence Planning)

Just to mention it, although initially Malaysia wasn't going to include Sabah and Sarawak, they did become part of the Federation of Malaysia in the end.

Koppaberg, it is a little concerning to me that you RP in so many different 'Earths' simultaneously as is the fact that you seem to have a penchant for invading NPC countries and stat-wanking. This makes me think that perhaps you are not suited to the MW community.

OOC: Thanks for transferring my claim here, sorry I put it in the wrong thread.

Kopparbergs, do you participate in any RPs that aren't land claims?

OOC- My goodness, Im out for a few days, and I miss the return of Holy Caesar, what a smuck I am. Doomingsland, welcome home. You have my unabasted endorsement, unabasted, complete, and rapturous. As His Most Christian Louis XX is the defender of the Holy Catholic CHurch, I see Italy immediatley being sworn into the Holy Leauge. Louis would be obsequious to the Pope, I pray he is reactionary and medieval, then we can finally turn back the clock in Europe! I would enjoy tremendoudly a post relating the situation in Italy right now. ::Does a happy dance:: Ahhh, simply wonderful. BTW, Ive been RPing the Pope as His Holiness John Paul III, just FYI. Feel free to TG me, we have some thing to set up. Ciao

PS- sorry about my absence lately, IRL, well, y'all know.

Spyr, yes that's the final shape of Hindustan. Forget about the Uttar Pradesh claim, its not really worth anything.

But how about Tajikistan? Its no threat to anybody, but might come into play in Xianjiang a little bit. As for Iran, well...its a little too influential for my purposes. Even if Hindustan gives money and the occasional arms shipment to Tajikstan, there's not much that can be done with it to other nations, having a total population that could be nearly swallowed by Sino's claimed active troop numbers.

I don't want it to appear as if I'm using Tajikistan as real diplomatic and military leverage, as I first thought of taking on a second country for more interesting RP rather than for population and diplomatic gain.

After all, Tajikstan is not a pretty place. I would very much like to use it to create new RPs and increase involvement in Central Asia, a region that I doubt any of us can claim comprehensive knowledge of.

Here is the general information for Tajikistan that I hope to use:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ti

And I have an interesting fact. Tajikistan rates an 8.2 out of ten (ten being highly corrupt) for police, business, and political corruption. By comparison, RL India, infamous for under-the-table weapons deals involving hefty kickbacks and the government's general perversion of national identity for political gain and excuses to make more nuclear weapons, rates a mere 7.2, a full point lower while being many many times larger.

Of course, in the lead by five tenths of a point, is RL Bangladesh.

I will post the following outlines for the various factions operating in the country:

The Government

The official Tajik government, led by the highly corrupt Emomali Rahmonov, is the primary diplomatic entity present in Tajikstan. While the government still makes the occasional stab at an election, these are in reality little more than shows to convince foreign observers that 'democracy is strong in Tajikstan.'

In truth, the government only controls the area around Dushanbe and, occasionally, larger towns that lie within the operating radius of the ever-dwindling force of MiG-23s and Su-7s.

The government claims a force of 6,000, although this number is in truth somewhere around 2,500-3,000 due to large-scale desertion in the face of gains by the various rebel factions and the lack of competent leadership. This force consists mostly of infantry, clothed in a grey-drab soviet pattern uniform and generally armed with Ak-47 assault rifles and VZ-52s, although sniper elements have been sighted using Mosin-Nagant M1944s. This infantry element is occasionally supplemented by 73mm recoilless rifles, mountain howitzers, and T-54/55/62 tanks. Limited air mobility is supplied by a ramshackle unit of An-2s, An-14s, and An-26s, while Mi-24s often fly air support missions when spare parts can be scraped together.

The government forces are generally not effective in anything besides fixed defensive operations, due to the incompetence of the leadership and lack of vehicles, but the airforce's attack capabilities, which exceed those of any other faction, have often been able to drive off attacking forces.

DAT

The DAT, the Tajik Democracy Alliance, is a union of smaller progressive parties, the SDPT (socialist democrat party), and moderate islamic groups led by Davlat Usmon. The DAT is heavily based on Hindustani and Bedgellen principles, and seeks to overthrow the government and replace it with a fairer system, like the revolution in Kanendru.

Based in the Pamirs, DAT boasts a force of approximately 5,200 full-time fighters, and is currently in possession of most of the Gorno-Badhakhshan region. DAT claims Khorugh as its current capital, but has its sights set squarely on Dushanbe.

DAT troops are generally dressed in traditional clothing, often with military trousers or jackets. Hindustani Denison smocks have been seen among the DAT's mechanized forces as well. It is rumored that there is at least one company of Hindustani paratroopers among DAT's ranks (90-110 troops), but such accusations have not been addressed by the government. DAT troopers are generally armed with Ak-47 assault rifles, RPG-2 or RPG-7s, VZ-52 carbines, or, as in the case of armored troops, folding-stock Aks or evolved PPSh series sub-machine guns. While devoid of all but a few tanks, and all these consisting of T-54s, DAT boasts an impressive armored force in the way of numerous BMP-1s and BTR-70s, many armed with AT. 25 rockets (a Hindustani weapon similar to the Milan). A small air arm flies a handful of MiG-21s as well as Mi-8 helicopters, and several Strela SAM complexes are also operated.

PDPT

The PDPT, or People's Democratic Party of Tajikistan, is President Rahmonov's party, but due to numerous human rights violations he has made a show of distancing himself from the party itself. Largely loyal to Rahmonov, the PDPT is one of the better-equipped forces in the nation. While the PDPT goes without jet aircraft, it operates a notable force of helicopters, especially Mi-24s, and an equally sizeable contingent of tactical transports, the An-26 being the dominant type. The beneficiary of Russian training, the PDPT is as close to an elite unit as any Tajik armed organization comes. The PDPT's most notable capability is its airborne battallion, used to some effect in fighting Islamic rebels in the Trans-Alay range.

The PDPT is led by Shodi Sabdolov, Rahmonov's right-hand man. The average PDPT militiaman could be armed with an Ak-47 assault rifle or Dragunov SVD, and perhaps even an Ak-74 or FN-FAL. Although the PDPT does not operate many carrier vehicles, it wields a large armored force of T-62 tanks and light, formerly airborne SPHs.

Islamic Militants

There are tens of small Islamic militant groups operating in Tajikistan, and most are based near the border with Afghanistan or Xinjiang. Some are just tribal groups engaged in squabbles with other tribes and factions, while others are more fundamentalist and idealogical. Some of these Islamic groups have aligned themselves with the DAT, while others do the government or PDPT's bidding.

The average fighter in these groups could be armed with almost anything, from Ak-74s to Lee-Enfields. Tanks have been sighted in possession by various tribes, but their total numbers rarely exceed one or two, and such vehicles often do not last more than several weeks before being destroyed or captured.

http://img165.exs.cx/img165/7296/amindia5ir.jpg

LRR,

The Uttar Pradesh issue is a bit complicated. If you had no claims there, Hindustan would be severed into two large chunks (A). Alternatives to this might be dividing the territory, either up to the descending Kanendru border (B) or just to connect the two Hindustani territories (C), both of which give relatively sensible borders to India's states.

1st for

* Agriculture - Cotton imports
* Agriculture - Cotton production
* Agriculture - Cotton stocks
* Agriculture - Cotton use
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Garlic
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Onions
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Urd mung black or green gram beans
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Walnuts
* Agriculture - Grains - Rice stocks (per capita)
* Agriculture - Hog production
* Agriculture - Meat production
* Agriculture - Root and tuber production
* Crime - Executions
* Economy - GDP growth - Duration 1980-2000
* Economy - Transnational corporations - Affiliates
* Energy - Coal consumption
* Energy - Geothermal power use
* Environment - CFC consumption
* Environment - Marine fish catch
* Environment - SO2 exports
* Geography - Land boundaries - Total
* Health - SARS fatalities
* Health - SARS total cases
* Labor - Economic activity - Both sexes aged 20-24
* Labor - Economic activity - Women aged 20-24
* Labor - Labor force
* Media - DVD region
* Media - Television - Digital TV households
* Media - Televisions
* Military - Armed forces personnel
* Military - Conventional arms imports
* Military - Employment in arms production
* Military - Manpower - availability - Males age 15-49
* Military - Manpower - fit for military service - Males age 15-49
* People - Population
* Transportation - Waterways


2nd for

* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Berries
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Dates
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Prunes
* Agriculture - Grains - Rice consumption
* Agriculture - Grains - Rice production
* Agriculture - Grains - Rice stocks
* Agriculture - Grains - Wheat consumption
* Agriculture - Meat production growth
* Crime - Prisoners
* Crime - Software piracy losses
* Crime - Software piracy rate
* Economy - Foreign investment
* Economy - Foreign investment -Share
* Economy - GDP
* Economy - GDP - PPP
* Economy - GDP growth - Duration 1975-2000
* Economy - Poverty - Share of all poor people
* Energy - Coal production
* Energy - Electricity - consumption
* Energy - Electricity - production
* Environment - CO2 Emissions
* Environment - Pollution - Carbon Dioxide from fossil fuels 2000
* Environment - Threatened species - Mammal
* Geography - Irrigated land
* Health - Contraception
* Health - Tobacco - Adult male smokers
* Industry - Bus production
* Industry - Light commercial vehicle production
* Media - Radios
* Media - Telephones - main lines in use
* Media - Telephones - mobile cellular
* Media - Television broadcast stations
* Military - Conventional arms exports
* Military - Expenditures - dollar figure
* Military - Manpower - reaching military age annually - Males
* Military - Weapon holdings
* Transportation - Merchant marine - total
* Transportation - Railways - standard gauge


3rd for

* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Beans
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Citrus fruits (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Nuts edible
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Potato seed (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Turnips (per capita)
* Agriculture - Grains - Barley imports
* Agriculture - Grains - Coarse grain consumption
* Agriculture - Grains - Coarse grain production
* Agriculture - Grains - Coarse grain stocks
* Agriculture - Grains - Coarse grain stocks (per capita)
* Agriculture - Grains - Corn consumption
* Agriculture - Grains - Corn production
* Agriculture - Grains - Corn stocks
* Agriculture - Grains - Wheat production
* Agriculture - Permanent crops
* Agriculture - Workers per hectare
* Economy - Exports to US
* Education - Primary teacher age - Proportion under 30
* Education - Public spending on public institutions
* Energy - Oil consumption
* Energy - Oil refining ability
* Geography - Area - Land
* Industry - Heavy truck production
* Internet - Users
* Labor - Economic activity - Both sexes aged 25-29
* Media - Television - Subscription TV revenues
* Media - Website defacements
* Military - Tanks
* Military - WMD - Overview (per $ GDP)
* Military - WMD - Overview (per capita)
* Sports - Olympic point totals - Sydney 2000
* Transportation - Aircraft departures
* Transportation - Airports - with paved runways - 2438 to 3047 m
* Transportation - Railways - total


4th for

* Agriculture - Arable and permanent cropland
* Agriculture - Banana production
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Almonds
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Arrowroot salep sago pith etc
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Beets and horseradish
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Kidney and white beans
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Leguminous vegetables
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Mushrooms
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Red or adzuki beans
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Truffles
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Turnips
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Vegetables
* Agriculture - Grains - Coarse grain exports
* Agriculture - Grains - Corn exports
* Agriculture - Grains - Corn stocks (per capita)
* Agriculture - Grains - Rye imports (per capita)
* Economy - Business efficiency
* Economy - Exports
* Energy - Coal production in 1981
* Geography - Area - Water
* Media - Personal computers
* Military - WMD - Biological (per $ GDP)
* Military - WMD - Biological (per capita)
* Military - WMD - Chemical (per $ GDP)
* Military - WMD - Chemical (per capita)
* Military - WMD - Missile (per $ GDP)
* Military - WMD - Missile (per capita)
* Military - WMD - Nuclear (per $ GDP)
* Military - WMD - Nuclear (per capita)
* Transportation - Airports - with paved runways - over 3047 m
* Transportation - Highways - unpaved


5th for

* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Broad and horse beans
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Cabbage
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Chillies
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Figs (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Fruits
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Hazelnuts or filberts
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Hazelnuts or filberts (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Onions (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Potato seed
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Radishes (per capita)
* Agriculture - Exports to USA - Sweet corn
* Agriculture - Grains - Rye imports
* Agriculture - Grains - Sorghum exports
* Agriculture - Grains - Sorghum exports (per capita)
* Economy - Imports
* Energy - Hydroelectricity consumption
* Energy - Oil production
* Environment - Known breeding bird species
* Health - SARS total cases (per capita)
* Industry - Motor vehicle production
* Military - Exports to developing nations
* People - Sex ratio - At birth
* People - Sex ratio - Under 15 years
* Religion - Catholic - Dioceses
* Transportation - Airports - with paved runways - 1524 to 2437 m
* Transportation - Airports - with paved runways - total
* Transportation - Highways - total


****China, excluding the Province of Taiwan(Ns Taiwan)

According to the facts and figures, USA(Quintonia, I believe) has walnuts, rice, and many organic foods to lose if they were to become enemies of China, LOL.

http://img165.exs.cx/img165/7296/amindia5ir.jpg

LRR,

The Uttar Pradesh issue is a bit complicated. If you had no claims there, Hindustan would be severed into two large chunks (A). Alternatives to this might be dividing the territory, either up to the descending Kanendru border (B) or just to connect the two Hindustani territories (C), both of which give relatively sensible borders to India's states.


^Sorry, took too much space, and for a better viewing, here's Spyr's post earlier.


I say the map, C, is most fair of course, since everyone wants to claim it.

So am I officially accepted? I only ever saw one endorsement, and I thought two were required.

http://img165.exs.cx/img165/7296/amindia5ir.jpg

LRR,

The Uttar Pradesh issue is a bit complicated. If you had no claims there, Hindustan would be severed into two large chunks (A). Alternatives to this might be dividing the territory, either up to the descending Kanendru border (B) or just to connect the two Hindustani territories (C), both of which give relatively sensible borders to India's states.

The problem here is that I would become even larger than I already am. I don't need any more people, since that would just give me an excuse for a bigger army. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, they say. One need not look farther than China to see proof of that maxim.

Perhaps we could take option C and say that the Mahabratta Confederacy population won't decrease at all, and the Hindustani population will not increase.

So am I officially accepted? I only ever saw one endorsement, and I thought two were required.
Alright, I shall give you a patented Armandian stamp of approval! STAMP!

LRR: Sounds good to me.

Armandian: Thanks.

Could I join as South Africa?

We need an RP sample, sir. And what do you plan to do with the nation? And do you understand the rules on how AMW operates? This isn't just another Earth, ya know!

We need an RP sample, sir. And what do you plan to do with the nation? And do you understand the rules on how AMW operates? This isn't just another Earth, ya know!

1. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356309- that is the most convenient link I have. If you wish to see more, please ask, and I shall provide.

2. I intend to develop South Africa into the power that it could be on the world scale. I do not intend to make the mistakes that they have made, but I will develop the country to her full potential as a global power.

3. I am quite aware of how this works. Here, South Africa becomes Sevaris, not South Africa as played by Sevaris, or Sevaris-occupied South Africa.

LRR: Sounds good to me.

Armandian: Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, could you describe your nation? Would you help defend India from Sinoese/Xiannese aggression, or allow them to wipe out the undesired leftists?

Also, would you hate Beth Gellert and Hindustan as lefties and leave it at that, or would you be willing to engage in a more enlightened coexistence?

Well, I would give you my approval (two approvals required), but we've recently had an influx of new recruits, and I'm a tad worried that this is going on without the input of Quinntonia, who is the brains of the operation. I'll contact him/her and tell 'em to give their input.

Where is Dra-pol all of a sudden? I think he might want in when it comes to certain operations in Tajikistan. Would anyone mind if I finalized my claim and initiated a national RP?

Well, I would give you my approval (two approvals required), but we've recently had an influx of new recruits, and I'm a tad worried that this is going on without the input of Quinntonia, who is the brains of the operation. I'll contact him/her and tell 'em to give their input.

Thanks much.

Sevaris, can you provide some more RPs?

South Africa? Power? Uh oh.

Darn it, why must Lusaka be the only African nation with an African economy? Who's out there providing all the cheap labour, if China's trading with roughly nobody, and an economic powerhouse to boot, Indonesia's a recently fallen super-power, and Africa has only one (other than NPC) nation doing badly?

I demand more AMWers near the bottom of the pile! With the United African Republic (of Lusaka)! ...And maybe Kanendru. Villains on all sides! [sharpens rusty SKS-fixed bayonet]

But, erm, yeah, having a South Africa might be nice. They're the big missing piece of our Sub Saharan Africa.

Hey, don't look at me! Both Chinas are very hard to interact with, so their rightful place as oversized North Koreas, given the current situation, is not attainable lest we sacrifice RP in favor of inflamed argument.

And Hindustan's not doing that marvelously on the economic stage. I mean, there's Jharkhand and other sources of exportable raw materials, plus manufacturing and shipbuilding, and trade with a readily accessable group of friendly nations in Asia, but I probably should have chosen a more destitute nation.

I think that, thanks to the more progressive circles, the world isn't doing too badly in a lot of areas. There's still, of course, Eastern Europe to play with, and Central Asia, a region into which I am making forays with my taking-up of Tajikistan. I would imagine that Hindustani foreign aid has elevated a number of countries out of crisis, but there are undoubtedly quite a few poor nations, its just they don't get much attention because nobody knows their names. Of course, now, Kanendru is getting quite a large amount of Hindustani monetary and infrastructural aid, so I guess, with luck, we might have the standard of living in Nepal raised a whole lot within the next decade.

Hey, perhaps we could get a Council of Non-Aligned Nations type of thing going.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354169

Try this.

I must admit that I am not the biggest fan of Decisive Action or Communist Mississippi, or his cohorts for that matter, and generally am not impressed by his RPs either.

But I don't want to judge the book by its cover, so I'll just wait and see.

I think the whole multiple Earths thing turned me off to mainstream modern tech RP, although A Modern World is possibly one of them, although we all must admit , it has a certain, unique character owing to its historical basis.

Just out of curiosity, could you describe your nation? Would you help defend India from Sinoese/Xiannese aggression, or allow them to wipe out the undesired leftists?

Also, would you hate Beth Gellert and Hindustan as lefties and leave it at that, or would you be willing to engage in a more enlightened coexistence?

From an OOC standpoint, my nation turned out more right then I would have wished, I want it to be more left then it is, but still right of center.

I think my nation would be just as, if not more, willing to fight off Sinoese/Xiannese aggression. Historically, the region of India I occupy has been constantly disputed and fought over by the Chinese and Indians. Like the Mahratta Confederacy of the 18th and 19th centuries that I am based off of, it is technically a coalition of military warlords. During that time period, the Mahratta were the most adamant defenders of India from outside incursions, at that time the British, and I am thinking along the same lines for my nation now.

As for the Hindustanis and Gellerts, we will most likely remain on friendly terms with them, at least from a military standpoint. However, I am looking forward to some diplomatic disputes.

Lusaka:
While strathdonia has made a few strides in a forwardly direction we are still pretty much third world it just that we are good at hiding it :)

So, does anyone have an objection to me taking up Tajikistan?

Go for it! good old-fashioned central asian fun!
Are you going to create a seperate nation to post with, or just use LRR?

Go for it! good old-fashioned central asian fun!
Are you going to create a seperate nation to post with, or just use LRR?

I'll just use LRR. After all, I don't use LRR to name my current country, so I'll just use the same thing.

I'm also not too sure about anything CM related... you see, whilst we are missing a South Africa, the power balance in the region is such that a large, powerful South Africa would totally throw off the RP stuff for SSA, which is a slight offbeat place as it is- to put it another way, there is a place for South Africa in AMW, but I don't think Sevaris is necessarily the right person to RP it...

I must admit that I am not the biggest fan of Decisive Action or Communist Mississippi, or his cohorts for that matter, and generally am not impressed by his RPs either.

But I don't want to judge the book by its cover, so I'll just wait and see.

I think the whole multiple Earths thing turned me off to mainstream modern tech RP, although A Modern World is possibly one of them, although we all must admit , it has a certain, unique character owing to its historical basis.

You needn't worry. I only pulled out RPs done with DA because many of the RPs I have done have been with him.

I'm also not too sure about anything CM related... you see, whilst we are missing a South Africa, the power balance in the region is such that a large, powerful South Africa would totally throw off the RP stuff for SSA, which is a slight offbeat place as it is- to put it another way, there is a place for South Africa in AMW, but I don't think Sevaris is necessarily the right person to RP it...

Perhaps I didn't speak clearly enough. I intended to turn South Africa into a middle power of sorts, somewhat like Canada. Poweful economically, but not very miltarised.

Well, I think we can be fairly certain that an apartied powerful South Africa is unlikely. After all, with ol' Derek around I'm sure that wouldn't be allowed to last.

But Lusaka, even the Tajik Rebel factions have automatic rifles! You should really consider trading those SKSs in for some nice, liscence-produced liscence productions, the VZ. 58! Although I am currently eyeing the Galil because of its rifle grenade capacity...

Igomo would certainly try to encourage and fund assassination and abduction attempts on any rising apartheid leadership in South Africa, yes :) Anyway, that is a point aside...

The SKS is, er, semi automatic! Actually, most of those in Lusakan service are in truth Yugoslav M59/66A1 rifles, essentially copies of the SKS with the ability to fire muzzle grenades... and more than that, they really ought to have a different identification, come to think of it, as the current examples are all native-produced and furnished with local wood appropriate to the African climate after early imported examples weathered poorly.
The VZ.58 you mention... is the Czech assault rifle that outwardly (but not inwardly) resembles the AK47? If so, that would be out of the question, as it is the standard issue rifle of the Al Khali army!

Anyway, there's really no question of replacing our existing rifles. The army's strength has shrunk by thousands since the anti-Igomo coup (it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this isn't exactly cementing the position of General Tendyala as popular president), so there is a great stockpile of small arms standing by to replace tired examples in use. And the economy has imploded. It is now worth less than a thousand US$ per capita per year, so buying and maintaining thousands of new rifles is actually nothing short of impossible, were it not for the now unissued ammo rations of the disbanded units, the Army of Lusaka wouldn't even be doing any target or other live-fire training at all.

You need not worry about me resintituting apartheid. I know it's wrong, immoral, and doesn't work.

A request for our three mainland Chinas (Sino, Xiaguo, Chuang-han):

Could each of you clarify exactly which provinces are under your control, so we can tabulate more exact population statistics?

The current list for AMW, as far as I can determine it. Nations in bold may have unanswered questions remaining which should be considered to prevent future confusion, those in red are, I think, the ones still pending full approval. If there are any errors/omissions/objections, please shout them out loud and clear!

Quinntonia
-USA
293million
-Hamhung & Hungnam
Enclave on east coast of north Korea, claimed by Dra-pol
6million

Hudecia
-Canada
32.5million

Dra-pol
-Korea
Northern half of peninsula governed, Quinntonian enclave and southern half claimed. (Succesful conflict for Unification brought territory including Seoul under Drapoel control, so NK-SK proportions differ from RL)
34million

Marimaia
-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Burma, Union of Burma
UoB semi-autonomous
127million (incl. UoB- division of Burma's 43m. population unconfirmed)

Beth Gellert
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh
300million

Andaman and Nicobar
-Andaman and Nicobar Islands
360thousand

Oshima and Izu
-Japan
127million

Bonstock
(Bonstock was disintegrated as a federal entity during a recent conflict, and for the time being constitutes several new states:

--Indonesia (Hudecia)
-Sulawesi, Aceh, Sunda (Western Java less Jakarta), Borneo (less Brunei).
Approx. 110 million

--Sujava (Spyr)
-Java (less Sunda), Sumatra (less Aceh, incl. Riau-Lingga Archipelago), Madura, Bali, Lesser Sunda Islands (to Tanimbar).
Approx. 140 million.

--Singapore (Bonstock)
-Singapore
4.3 million

--Malaysia (Marimaia)
-Malaysia (less Sabah & Sarawak)
Approx. 20 million

--Iriyan Jaya
-Eastern half of New Guinea, Moluccas.
3 to 4 million.
(was under Quinntonian occupation, I’m not certain of their current state)

Roycelandia
-Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St Kitts and Nevis, Attu and Kisaka Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Southern Gabon
Around 128million

Lusaka
-Most of Tanzania, Eastern Zambia, part of DR Congo
42million

Al Khals
-Remainder of Tanzania
4million

Strathdonia
-Malawi
12million

African Commonwealth
-Most of DR Congo, northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi
72million+

The British Federation
-The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its Overseas Territories
60million
(One thing to work out might be which overseas territories. I’m fairly certain of Gibraltar, and there was a conflict over St. Helena with United Elias which needs resolution?)

United Elias
-Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Belize, Seychelles, Western Gabon
Around 125million+

Lavrageria
-Belarus
10.4million

The Estenlands
-Ukraine
48million

Bendorel
-Sicily, Sardinia, Malta
Over 7 million?

Elkazor
-France
60million

Armandian Cheese
-Russia (less Primorye)
145million+

Al-Ahzad
-Oman and Yemen (less Socotra)
Around 23million

SwissCorp
-Switzerland
7.5million

Spyr
-Lyong Peninsula
60million

Tord
-Lyong Peninsula
20 million

North Yaman
-Lyong Peninsula
15million

Lunatic Retard Robots
- Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, About 1/4th of Uttar Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bihar, Matharashtra, Gujarat
About 370 million people.
(Is this the final shape of LRR? And, which 1/4th? Plus, uncertainty over Goa… was it decided as a colonial holdout, claimed by one of the Indian powers, hm?)

Mahratta Confederacy
-Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, ¾ of Uttar Pradesh, Uttranchal, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir.
266,121,282.

East Islandia
-Australia
Approx. 20 million
(May or may not also include New Zealand and/or western New Guinea?)

Sino
-Much of southern China
Around 600million
(Sino is a bit controversial… many other AMW players consider him a bit difficult to get along with, myself sometimes included, primarily due to his tendency to mix IC and OOC racism in his posts. However, in recent post, he has indicated that he will try to limit such comments to IC statements, which would seem acceptable).

Xiaguo-Northern China, Mongolia.
Around 700million
(not certain about full extent of Xiaguo… has Sino approved of the Xiannese annexation of Sichuan?)

Chuang-Han China
-Part of southern China, including Hainan.
Around 96million

_Taiwan
-Taiwan
Around 22million
(_Taiwan has confirmed acceptance of AMW technological levels)

Simba
-Mozambique
19million
(has not yet expressed interest)

Kopparbergs
-Sweden
9million

Promise of Joshua
-Norway
4.5million

Sabir/Al-Sabir
-Syria, Lebanon, and the Turkish provinces of Hatay, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa, Kilis, Mardin, Osmaniye, Diyarbakir, Adiyaman, Batman, Sirnak, Siirt
Almost 30million

Asgard Combine
-Iceland
Around 300,000 (questions remain over exact population, and acceptable level to which it might be increased. Asgard Combine has suggested possibly 1.5 million?).


Kill YOU Dead
-Armenia, Georgia, Azerbajian
Approx. 15.5 million

Trucial States
-United Arab Emirates
2.5 to 3.4 million?

Doomingsland
-Italy (less Sicily & Sardinia)
Approx. 51.5 million

Unified Sith
-Germany
82.5 million

Corporate Bangladesh
-Bangladesh
141 million
(also expressed interest in claiming Pakistan)

Piquantrax
-Puerto Rico
Approx. 4 million

Rubberduckistan
-Finland
5 million

Wulashien/Sangun: I havent heard much from either recently, and I know Sangun has been written off as NPC Vietnam develops. Can anyone confirm our Phillipines continued presence?

Approval: "Two member acceptance = approval"... a guiding principle, but I dont think it should be a simple 'bang! bang! you're in!' I'd suggest a day or so waiting period at least, for the asking of questions and raising of objections, so that we dont have misunderstandings/OOC conflicts.

So, here is what we are going to do, everyone that reads this, try and talk to all the people on the list. Tell them to TG me, Quinntonian Dra-pol. Once I get a TG from them, they will be listed as active. This will clear up a lot of confusion. This is why I had said that we should have a month or two where no new members are accepted. That would allow us to consolidate. I suggest that we only allow new members until next Thursday. Then, we can settle every claim and come back to brining new members on board at the end of that time.

BTW, all of you in red, you need to TG me posts showing that you have been endorsed by two or more current players, and not another red player, please.

This will allow us to clear everything up once and for all. We'll just shut down the acceptance of new members for 46 days, unitl after Easter Sunday. Just think of it as giving up new members for Lent.

The last time that I tried to do this, I was shouted down, now I am asking for the sake of AMW, let's put together a codified list, once and for all.


As for the new members, here is what you have to do to get ratified. Post here describing your claim, and your government/RPing style. then, wait for someone to ratify you. You need two endorsements by established players to become accepted. And don't cry if you aren't approved for your whole claim, we're trying to do the best we can here.

LRR, I am in support of you taking the new nation, but if you are just adding it in the exact same style and/or government of Hindustan, then I think it is not fair, you need to finally decide ona set of borders, and stick to it. But, if it is another government with its own style/culture, then I am all for it, you are a masterful RPer, and I trust your decisions. But just to make another nation just like yours would be like me saying, "Brazil, Mexico and Chile all just got governments exactly like Quinntonia and are allied with me!" Not real fair.

As for the people up there who want to "modify" their claims, NO! That is the whole piont of this place, RL places, RL populations.

So, please TG me, and tell all of the players you run across to do the same, so that we can work out a list.

Oh, and who am I? Dra-pol and I are the founding members of AMW, way before we even had anyone on the Chinese region or in India, there was me, and Dra-pol. Though, AMW as we know it today is the product of many, many nations working together.


WWJD
Amen.

Okay, here goes..

Claim: The Republic of South Africa

Government Style: Fairly benevolent democracy/dictatorship. What I mean by that is, though there are indeed free and fair elections, the State President (executive branch) can basically do what he or she wants (Strict party discipline, like the Westminster countries).
(One could use Singapore as a model of sorts)

In terms of freedom, it's a fairly open society. Gay marriage is allowed, as is abortion. Free speech is held dear.

Economically, it's a middle-level country. For this RP, I'll set GDP at about $25,000 per capita.

Miltarily, it's decent. Active troop levels (for all services) is around 250,000 men-basing it somewhat off of the UK military.

Hope this helps.

With regards to Sevaris, I think we must be careful what happens to the RSA, and this has a lot of impact on the SSA region, which has been RPing for a good deal longer than MW (more than a year longer in fact) and therefore I request that each SSA member be specifically asked to approve this, and we should indeed treat the region slightly differently than others, due to the very closed nature of the RP there thus far.

Put it this way, I would ask people to consider whether we should treat claims on South Africa as being claims on an NPC nation, as discussed in another thread, so in other words if Sevaris wants to dramatically change the government style he will have to RP it from what it is now. This is because nations that are not player controlled in Sub-Saharan Africa have always been assumed as NPC rather than being ignored, and any other entity than the RL South Africa occuring up until this point would probably have effected how the region developed. I mean, a nation with 150% higher GDP than the RSA would have made a serious difference to regional politics.

Sevaris, do you have any RPs with anyone else?

With regards to Sevaris, I think we must be careful what happens to the RSA, and this has a lot of impact on the SSA region, which has been RPing for a good deal longer than MW (more than a year longer in fact) and therefore I request that each SSA member be specifically asked to approve this, and we should indeed treat the region slightly differently than others, due to the very closed nature of the RP there thus far.

Put it this way, I would ask people to consider whether we should treat claims on South Africa as being claims on an NPC nation, as discussed in another thread, so in other words if Sevaris wants to dramatically change the government style he will have to RP it from what it is now. This is because nations that are not player controlled in Sub-Saharan Africa have always been assumed as NPC rather than being ignored, and any other entity than the RL South Africa occuring up until this point would probably have effected how the region developed. I mean, a nation with 150% higher GDP than the RSA would have made a serious difference to regional politics.

This is a good call, it should be RPed from where it is in RL, to avoid confusion. Keep TGing me, I am going to concsider your nation inactive, even the old ones, if I don't get a TG. Not to be a dick, but just for book-keeping, let's work together on this.


WWJD
Amen.

BG has been just barely on the fringes of SSA, on and off, having... come into conflict with Roycelandia, in the past, so I'll throw in a couple of pennies. I'd say that it might be ideal if Sevaris -should his claim be accepted- started out RPing a transition from a state more familiar to observers of the Republic of South Africa to what he intends to play in the long term. I don't know if that'd work for everyone else, but [shrug]

No, I do not intend Tajikistan to be just like Hindustan. Although yes Hindustan is backing DAT, if you've ever seen the movie Banannas you might have a good idea of what will happen.

I will have the RP started in a little bit.

Sevaris, do you have any RPs with anyone else?

I have RPed with Kahta in the past.

As my puppet, The Canadian Union, I have RPed with Canad a.

If you wish to see any of those RPs, do contact me.

With regards to Sevaris, I think we must be careful what happens to the RSA, and this has a lot of impact on the SSA region, which has been RPing for a good deal longer than MW (more than a year longer in fact) and therefore I request that each SSA member be specifically asked to approve this, and we should indeed treat the region slightly differently than others, due to the very closed nature of the RP there thus far.

Put it this way, I would ask people to consider whether we should treat claims on South Africa as being claims on an NPC nation, as discussed in another thread, so in other words if Sevaris wants to dramatically change the government style he will have to RP it from what it is now. This is because nations that are not player controlled in Sub-Saharan Africa have always been assumed as NPC rather than being ignored, and any other entity than the RL South Africa occuring up until this point would probably have effected how the region developed. I mean, a nation with 150% higher GDP than the RSA would have made a serious difference to regional politics.

I can change things over time, you know. It doesn't have to be that way from the start. Things can go slowly, if that's what you'd like.

BG has been just barely on the fringes of SSA, on and off, having... come into conflict with Roycelandia, in the past, so I'll throw in a couple of pennies. I'd say that it might be ideal if Sevaris -should his claim be accepted- started out RPing a transition from a state more familiar to observers of the Republic of South Africa to what he intends to play in the long term. I don't know if that'd work for everyone else, but [shrug]

That works. I'm open to any changes you may want.

Well then, you shall receive the official Armandian stamp of approval! STAMP! *Stamps forehead with photo of Armand*

From OOC chatting, you seem alright.

*Stamps Sevaris with approval*

Thanks to Armandian Cheese and _Taiwan for backing me. I assure you, I will try to RP in a reasonably-paced and well done manner. If I screw up, let me know, and I'll fix it.

Yeah, but don't expect me to be as kindly IC wise. I find your policies of gay marriage and abortion quite displeasing...(Darth Vader imitation)

Like RL asia, most of AMW Asia is ruled by conservatives.

(Apart from the Japanese, they seem to be very liberal about sex)

With regards to Sevaris, I think we must be careful what happens to the RSA, and this has a lot of impact on the SSA region, which has been RPing for a good deal longer than MW (more than a year longer in fact) and therefore I request that each SSA member be specifically asked to approve this, and we should indeed treat the region slightly differently than others, due to the very closed nature of the RP there thus far.

Put it this way, I would ask people to consider whether we should treat claims on South Africa as being claims on an NPC nation, as discussed in another thread, so in other words if Sevaris wants to dramatically change the government style he will have to RP it from what it is now. This is because nations that are not player controlled in Sub-Saharan Africa have always been assumed as NPC rather than being ignored, and any other entity than the RL South Africa occuring up until this point would probably have effected how the region developed. I mean, a nation with 150% higher GDP than the RSA would have made a serious difference to regional politics.

I agree with this entirely... the SSA region has been RPd for ages around the assumption that the "Big Three" Nations in the Region acted as checks and balances against the others... for example, the African Commonwealth have prevented Roycelandia from simply overrunning most of the continent, and Roycelandia almost certainly acts as a foil for some of Lusaka's plans... you get the idea...

Like RL asia, most of AMW Asia is ruled by conservatives.

(Apart from the Japanese, they seem to be very liberal about sex)

Don't forget the Marimaians, with legalised prostitution and the same-sex Royal Couple (the Tiger King & Royal Consort). In RL, Thailand isn't exactly known as a conservative culture either; traditional certainly, but not conservative in the way that most people use the term.

OOC: Okay... from my experiences in Japan... Japanese ppl are no more liberal about sex than most Canadians. Only difference is that Japan has legal pornography, in Canada, it is not legal... but nobody bothers to prosecute anyway.

The biggest difference is that in Tokyo there is 37 million people. So, I'm sure you all know people in your city/community that are.... relaxed in their sexual attitudes. Now imagine that every city/community in Canada has those sort of people. Finally squeeze all those people into an area the size of Toronto.. and well... it seems like there is a lot more than there actually is.

Just out of interest, has there been a Quinntonian-led 'war on drugs' in Latin/South America or similar campaign? I need to know if there are any drug barons of any consequence left in that region for my planned RP; it doesn't really matter either way, as either situation can be incorporated.

Marimaia has same sex rulers? I'm sure Elkazor isn't happy about that...

Marimaia has same sex rulers? I'm sure Elkazor isn't happy about that...
Did you ever give me your stamp of approval? You said you would after I showed the RP example, but you didn't post after I showed it.

Marimaia has same sex rulers? I'm sure Elkazor isn't happy about that...

Actually, Louis and Marie-Therese have already been visiting; I guess the French media glossed over the Tiger King's marital status when they reported it.

Did you ever give me your stamp of approval? You said you would after I showed the RP example, but you didn't post after I showed it.
Oops. Sorry, I thought I already did. Very well then, STAMP!

The story of Tajikistan:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394797

You'd probably all do best to state your positions on the situation, perhaps offer support to one side or another, or call for peace talks.

DAT, I plan, will capture Dushanbe soon, and Davlat will institute certain...reforms...that will cause something of a stir and perpetuate the cycle of governments coming and going.

OOC: Okay... from my experiences in Japan... Japanese ppl are no more liberal about sex than most Canadians. Only difference is that Japan has legal pornography, in Canada, it is not legal... but nobody bothers to prosecute anyway.

The biggest difference is that in Tokyo there is 37 million people. So, I'm sure you all know people in your city/community that are.... relaxed in their sexual attitudes. Now imagine that every city/community in Canada has those sort of people. Finally squeeze all those people into an area the size of Toronto.. and well... it seems like there is a lot more than there actually is.

OOC: Japanese anime has quite a lot of sex in it, something that the censors here would generally ban. There was one scene in Gundam Seed Destiny (Goldern Hour TV) where objects were shoved into a lady's vagina.

About Japan, Asia, and liberality...

I see where you're coming from, Hudecia. The Japanese are certainly not liberal in any way one might normally understand the term when it comes to sexual matters. Heck, theres quite a successful double export industry where hentai is shipped to the US, then bought from there by Japanese collectors to avoid the rather harsh Japanese censors.

However, the example of Tokyo and large population doesnt really explain Japan. Just tour any Chinese city... you simply dont find anything along the lines of what is located in Japan in terms of strip clubs, hostess bars, and porn on store shelves (even bloody 7-11s). Not that China is immune... Hangzhou had a plethora of street stall, each of which had a stock of pornography along with its magazines and Boxing-Bin-Laden dolls. But even in two cities with comparable populations, Japan will have a much larger and more open sexual service sector than any of its East Asian neighbours, or north American economic bedfellows.

Now, the question 'Why?' here is one I cant answer... in part it may be due to the pre-Meiji view of breasts as asexual objects, which caused them to escape the heavy censorship that was applied to both male and female genetalia. And, perhaps, it also finds root in a more general, patriarchal conservativism which (unlike the highly liberal gender equality policies enacted in the PRCs earlie days) saw no reason to strenuously oppose objectification. Such thoughts are, however, mere conjecture.

Still, put an elderly Japanese man and an elderly Chinese man in a room, and you'd be hard-pressed to call either 'liberal'. Both would shake their fingers in distaste over the rsing hemlines of women's skirts... and both would jump at the chance to go for some no-pan shabu shabu.

Please read and give your opinions in the below thread; I'm thinking of initiating a drastic change in my AMW participation:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395504

I don't think Tajikistan is really working out, so I will drop it. It would be best to stay NPC anyhow. Generally, I am not good at making RPs myself.

Also, Hindustan would be willing to buy some russian arms for Lavrageria, especially T-72 tanks, SA-11 SAM systems, and AT-5 ATGWs.

I probably should have thought of this earlier though.

OCC: You know what might be interesting? If we had AMW in the 50's or 40's. That would be very interesting, methinks.

I don't think Tajikistan is really working out, so I will drop it. It would be best to stay NPC anyhow. Generally, I am not good at making RPs myself.

Also, Hindustan would be willing to buy some russian arms for Lavrageria, especially T-72 tanks, SA-11 SAM systems, and AT-5 ATGWs.

I probably should have thought of this earlier though.
Excellent! You should note that I've already been sending them arms, including SA-18 s, which are far better than 11s. And good luck smuggling tanks across a blockaded border!

Pleh! Over my dead body!

You are obviously not familiar with the 9K37M1 Buk-1M, or SA-11 'Gadfly' surface-to-air missile complex.

Boasting a 35 kilometer range and 22 kilometer ceiling, the Buk-1M could make the skies over Lavrageria very dangerous for marauding Estenlandian or French fighters, although as it appears the border is closed smuggling entire launchers could concievably become rather complicated.

*Looks around for TBF*

A handy reference for russian arms is this website (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/index.html). After all, they're all you've got to work with in the short term, and many russian systems can give anything ol' Quinn has a run for its money. The S-300 and S-400 systems will probably be very useful to you in the future.

Ah, but aren't SA-18s handheld? Are SA-11s?

No :) That's the point. The SA-18 is a a moderately good MANPAD (SA-16, I believe, being a refined version), where as SA-11 is borne on, I think, a modified ZSU-23-4 'Shilka' chassis. I suppose it'd be equivalent to BG's Loviatar-L, not that this means much to you, I imagine. At the moment, the Lavragerians can give hell to attack helicopters, low-flying strike fighters, and transport aircraft on approach or after take-off, but are presumably helpless against high-level bombing runs.

BG has been considering export of stockpiled MT-1 tanks to the Republic, and MT-1 is an early Igovian knock-off of the T-72, so Moscow might at least have competition in that regard if they want to sell to Lavrageria. It's unlikely that the Commonwealth can compete in other arms areas, however. Just a big mountain of tanks fighting off the rust.

No, if I remember correctly, the 18 is the most advanced model available from Russia. As for tanks, it would be almost impossible to smuggle them over the Estenlandian blockade.

The SA-16 is an improvement over the 18, making it Russia's top MANPADS technology. (the confusion may be that 16 and 18 are NATO designations for Igla (18) and Igla-1 (16).)

Indeed. What BG and Spyr said.

So, erm, most of the new approaches are looking okay... I think I know which ones are dead in the water. It looks like Kopperbergs is wanting for support in light of the possibility of treating Sweden somewhat unrealistically and AMW as a land grab, hm?

No, if I remember correctly, the 18 is the most advanced model available from Russia. As for tanks, it would be almost impossible to smuggle them over the Estenlandian blockade.

Is the Russian border with Lavrageria still open? If so, I bet we could ship arms up through central Asia and into Russia that way.

But as for products on the international market, I have come up with a real world-beater for export.

http://avia.russian.ee/pictures/russia/mig-8.jpg

Introducing the SAt. 8! Designed to challenge Quinntonian dominance of the homebuilt/light aviation market, the SAt. 8, a revived MiG-8 'Utka' aerodynamic testbed of the late 40's, is Hindustan Aeronautics' latest export product. The aircraft's friendly flight characteristics, low maintainance requirements, and excellent STOL and unprepared field operation are set to endear the aircraft to bush pilots and weekend fliers the world over!

Just a note, it would probably be difficult for any foreign intelligence service to keep up with the constantly changing state armories designations for its aircraft and land vehicles.

For example, you might know the Su-30MKI(2) as the FA. 6, FRA. 6, or SAf. 6. I think the last designation there will probably be the form, though.

So, what do you all think of an AMW RP that takes place in the past? Say the fifties or something?

Well, at first I thought that it might be too much to take on, and that I already have more things than I can deal with, but I gather that a lot of players are already a bit bored, and it might be interesting.

BG would be radically different- newly independent from British rule and on less friendly terms than some parts of the sub-continent owing to many violent Celtic uprisings from the late C19th to just prior to independence. An authoritarian capitalist government with an economy in the ...mud, trying to endear itself to London while struggling with internal political divisions along ethnic lines.

The Soviet Union heading for its peak, the first Korean War on, Roycelandian East Africa still gigantic and inclusive of Lusaka, and I've no idea what in South East Asia. What the heck would we pick to do?

Actually, I was thinking that we try something unorthodox. How about we have an era of peace? We can focus on social matters, and other things, instead of infinite warfare...Maybe a Russian-Indian Bollywood movie? We could script it out, and I could record it, since my hobby is movie making.

No war on NS? That'll be the day... ^_^

With a pending shadow crime war and a non-military struggle in former Bonstock over religious or secular political direction, amongst others, there seems to be an evolution of RP in non-war directions. While I doubt we'll see an end to violence, maybe we'll get to a point where Asia at least isnt constantly on the brink of WWIII.

As for the 50s... Spyr's Wonder Years.... from the start of revolution in '48 through 1950 founding and the end of the first 5-Year plan in '55, a half million people dead to violence and rampant starvation... and a bunch of idealistic market socalists trying to make their little country not-suck. Whee!

Haha.


Hah, sorry, I'm just trying to see it. Would this be modern era or 50s? If the latter, it'd be capitalist Indians and giant Celts dancing for no reason and to bad dubbing while Stalinist slogans stomp across the screen. If the former, it'd be stoned Indians and giant Celts dancing around for no reason with fancy special effects while capitalist advertising and mafia threats flashed across the screen :)

Why don't we try to freshen the place by bringing in some more people? Maybe invites?

The 1950s would be interesting for Strathdonia what with us still being part of the british empire... (not sure when the transition to the R&N occurs but i would geuss at late 60s).

Some of do try peaceful sutff now and then but soemtimes warwanking is just too tempting...

Now Strathdonian films, think dark scottish drama but without the humor...

About Japan, Asia, and liberality...

I see where you're coming from, Hudecia. The Japanese are certainly not liberal in any way one might normally understand the term when it comes to sexual matters. Heck, theres quite a successful double export industry where hentai is shipped to the US, then bought from there by Japanese collectors to avoid the rather harsh Japanese censors.

However, the example of Tokyo and large population doesnt really explain Japan. Just tour any Chinese city... you simply dont find anything along the lines of what is located in Japan in terms of strip clubs, hostess bars, and porn on store shelves (even bloody 7-11s). Not that China is immune... Hangzhou had a plethora of street stall, each of which had a stock of pornography along with its magazines and Boxing-Bin-Laden dolls. But even in two cities with comparable populations, Japan will have a much larger and more open sexual service sector than any of its East Asian neighbours, or north American economic bedfellows.

Now, the question 'Why?' here is one I cant answer... in part it may be due to the pre-Meiji view of breasts as asexual objects, which caused them to escape the heavy censorship that was applied to both male and female genetalia. And, perhaps, it also finds root in a more general, patriarchal conservativism which (unlike the highly liberal gender equality policies enacted in the PRCs earlie days) saw no reason to strenuously oppose objectification. Such thoughts are, however, mere conjecture.

Still, put an elderly Japanese man and an elderly Chinese man in a room, and you'd be hard-pressed to call either 'liberal'. Both would shake their fingers in distaste over the rsing hemlines of women's skirts... and both would jump at the chance to go for some no-pan shabu shabu.

China is more closed about it principally because of the Communist government. Although most conservatives in Western culture would disagree with communists on most things, this is one thing they agree upon.

As for your comments about strip bars and such not being in China... I would like to direct your attention to downtown Windsor, otherwise known as 'bartown' to the Americans. Prostitution isn't exactly legal, but they do sell 'escorts', which will do the same if you pay them a little extra. Strip clubs dot the area around my university and the choice of bars is well... plentiful.

So to be honest, I wasn't shocked by anything but the pornography when I went to Japan. Even the girls in Japan were much more modest than the girls in my city.

But anyway, that's my rant about the moral decay of Canadian society *boo hoo boo hoo*.

Quinntonia in the fifties, well there wasn't any Korean war, I don't think, until the Three days war. Dra-pol was in utter seclusion after WWII. Also, no Vietnam. However, I am assuming that Quinntonian would have probably been pouring missionaries by the thousand into the Indan continent, and also money, continueing the proud Quinntonian tradition of stabilising and arming people out of the goodness of our hearts, just so they can turn around and hate us.

But, it was the glory years, flush with the victories in Japan and Europe, dealing with the moral issues involved in nuking two Japanese cities. Rock and Roll is a new scandalous kind of Gospel Music, soon on the scene will be the King of the Rock n' Roll evangelists, The Reverand Elvis Presly. But also dark, McCarthism raged, the cold war began, the damned godless Communists seemed to be everywhere.

BTW, there were probably other dirty little wars to replace Vietnam and Korea, where Russia was supporting a Communist power, maybe in South America or Africa?
Waitaminit!!! No Cuban Missile Crisis! Roycelandia controls Cuba.

Hmmm.
Interesting.

WWJD
Amen.

With Marimaia's collapse, Suun heads for a new home in:

Lands of New Promise http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395983

Perhaps this will lead to my reversion back into RPing a BG with limited economic means without having to go back to the 50s. When I first joined NS, BG was one of the poorest nations in the world, and UN rankings showed it :) If Marimaia screws everything up by leaving SE Asia to the dogs, LUAN stays in power in Lusaka, the Tsarists and false democrats win in Europe... we're going to run out of progressive trade partners beyond Hindustan.

Anyway, I think there's something about the first Korean War in Drapoel history, isn't there? I mean, there was a slight historical glitch when LRR was in Russia, and would never have supported the blood-thirsty Suloists, but now we've got the USSR back in history, haven't we? So the CPRD can go back to feeling let-down by Stalin who didn't dare get into an open war with Am... er... Quinntonia? Pansy :)

No Cuban missile crisis, that's interesting though. I haven't traditionally thought of it as a Cuban crisis, since to me it looks a lot like the USA points missiles as Moscow, Moscow convinces them to stop it by pointing missiles back... but with Roycelandia sitting around being thoroughly un-communist, one wonders how they would ever have got American missiles out of Turkey. Threatening to invade via friendly UE, or something, perhaps.

Maybe I'll just settle for never knowing, because I'm giving myself a headache.

Where was I? Ah. Damn you, Suun! Now I have to read more and find out if GSIC will be needed in Vietnam.

Actually, LRR in Russia took shape after the death of Stalin, an event that I imagine took place in '53 or so, helped along by various figures.

So Stalin wouldn't have been a major obstacle either way.

My idea was just a little past RP thread, to add a little variety here and there.

LRR, what do you think of the Russian-Bollywood movie production? It'll be brilliant!

LRR, what do you think of the Russian-Bollywood movie production? It'll be brilliant!

I don't know...I doubt that bollywood is terribly popular in Hindustan anymore. Its probably a better bet to check up on the third India. I would imagine that caribbean music and the independent film industry dominate Hindustani popular culture.

Although the RL bollywood is, to my knowledge, in Mumbai, its probably a safer bet that it took root somewhere else.

I don't know...I doubt that bollywood is terribly popular in Hindustan anymore. Its probably a better bet to check up on the third India. I would imagine that caribbean music and the independent film industry dominate Hindustani popular culture.

Although the RL bollywood is, to my knowledge, in Mumbai, its probably a safer bet that it took root somewhere else.
The third India hasn't appeared on AMW since he/she signed up. C'mon, how can Bollywood not be popular in India? How dare you destroy that glorious art!

Quinntonia in the fifties, well there wasn't any Korean war, I don't think, until the Three days war. Dra-pol was in utter seclusion after WWII. Also, no Vietnam. However, I am assuming that Quinntonian would have probably been pouring missionaries by the thousand into the Indan continent, and also money, continueing the proud Quinntonian tradition of stabilising and arming people out of the goodness of our hearts, just so they can turn around and hate us.

But, it was the glory years, flush with the victories in Japan and Europe, dealing with the moral issues involved in nuking two Japanese cities. Rock and Roll is a new scandalous kind of Gospel Music, soon on the scene will be the King of the Rock n' Roll evangelists, The Reverand Elvis Presly. But also dark, McCarthism raged, the cold war began, the damned godless Communists seemed to be everywhere.

BTW, there were probably other dirty little wars to replace Vietnam and Korea, where Russia was supporting a Communist power, maybe in South America or Africa?
Waitaminit!!! No Cuban Missile Crisis! Roycelandia controls Cuba.

Hmmm.
Interesting.

WWJD
Amen.
Maybe we should have just one thread for 50s issues, maybe to clarify world history and the place of various nations in it.

Haha, film wars! You'll never defeat the power of the Spyran film industry!

*finally sees a chance to put silly films from the Lyong offsite forum to more widespread use*

Haha, film wars! You'll never defeat the power of the Spyran film industry!

*finally sees a chance to put silly films from the Lyong offsite forum to more widespread use*

OCC: NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Grabs camera equipment*

Yes, the story of James the construction barrel will bring me fame and fortune!

Either that or the music video for "The Story of the Jungle."

BG has several of India's big film studios, and though today some of them churn out news, documentaries, current affairs magazines, and subversive elsewhere-alternative films and cartoons, some still follow the Bolllywood tradition as demanded by the tens of millions of Beddgelens who're ethnic Indians rather than Celts.

I wouldn't even know where to start RPing one, though :)

Well, we could either:
A. Brainstorm some ideas, and I'll make either an animation or a live action video.
B. Decide a basic plotline, and RP it out.
My idea for a plot is maybe an Indian prince who is on a musical quest to find a mystical squash that will bring him unlimited wealth, but on his way, and after his climactic battle with a demonic Stalin, he realizes that all he needs is : (Insert sappy philosophical concept ranging from friendship to true love here).

A demonic Stalin who breakdances?

Al-Ahzad has never heard of copyright law- TREMBLE BEFORE AHZADI STAR WARS!

Roycelandia in the 1950s, eh? Could be very interesting... the whole country probably wouldn't be that much different (except Lee-Enfield and Spitfires would be modern technology) although the Empire would be much larger and have a different Emperor. I'd be willing to do it, especially since it would give me a chance to RP some of Roycelandia's former colonies...

Roycelandian Cinema has always been partial to gigantic Epics, Adventure Films, Comedies, as well as a fair smattering of "So Bad It's Good" films, and, of course, hardcore porn- "Zulu!", "Kenya Johnson and the Pharoah's Treasure", "Dave and M'Boko Go To Emperor Burger", and "Lesbian Bikini Nazis from Outer Space", to name a few.

Incidentally, the Al-Ahzadi cult classic "Dude, My Car Is Not Where I Left It, But Praise Allah No One Was Hurt" is a regular feature at University Film Nights and on the DVD circuit... ;)

Considering the fact that TVs are something of a rarity in Hindustan, the film industry is generally badly outdone by the music industry.

I was just thinking that a past RP might be interesting. Just something off to the side.

In the 50's, Hindustan had its first and only jet bomber, the Canberra, and was very mad over the death of Gandhi.

Also, if its okay with everybody, I'd like to have another go with East Timor, if only to get Indonesia back in the headlines, so to speak.

This time I think I know how to do it better. Xavier Gusmao will be the leader of the new nation of East Timor and I think his first big international appearance will feature him being carried through the streets by jubilant crowds...

Considering the fact that TVs are something of a rarity in Hindustan, the film industry is generally badly outdone by the music industry.

I was just thinking that a past RP might be interesting. Just something off to the side.

In the 50's, Hindustan had its first and only jet bomber, the Canberra, and was very mad over the death of Gandhi.
What? How can they live without the constant information flow of Fox News? And few movies? How dare you make such a travesty of the proud Bollywood tradition! What am I going to do, make a Bollywood movie with BG, a nation of Celts?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8158986#post8158986

Xiannese Banquet, all invited. An Imperial Sponsored Banquet.

What? How can they live without the constant information flow of Fox News? And few movies? How dare you make such a travesty of the proud Bollywood tradition! What am I going to do, make a Bollywood movie with BG, a nation of Celts?

I would imagine that Fox news would not be good for the health of most Hindustanis. After all, 'news and analysis' is often interpreted by Hindustanis as 'misinformation and propaganda.'

Hey, if the Quinntonians actually allow Fox News to exist, it's a big alternative hit in The Igovian Soviet Commonwealth!

"Man, I never would have thought of that..." said one surrealist comic after watching an item on the channel.

Fifities RP huh? Well that would certainly be interesting, especially since that is when UE kinda had its darkest days, the 1930 Treaty with Britain and the 1932 Land Reform was causing the country to descend into feudalism that would have eventually led to revolution, so in 1956 the President basically jumped on the Soviet band wagon, and so began our twenty year experiment with a sort of watered down form of socialism that ended abruptly in 1975 when the new President effectively switched sides in the cold war. We would have been a major trade partner with the USSR, largely oil for arms, but not really a Soviet satellite, just a non-aligned country that was Russian leaning.

As far as television in UE is concerned, it is fairly wide ranging, with quite a few dreadful soaps, many of them Arabic language ones, as well as several documentary channels, Elias State News being the most popular offfering both news and editorial pieces. Films as well tend to vary from low budget comedies to epic war flims from great Elias military campaigns, the latter being particulaly popular. These war films range from being purely jingoistic to rather good historical accounts.

The true epic film in UE, which nearly everyone has seen in at least parts is the ten part 'Tanzimat', referring of course to the reforms put in place by then Governor (later President) Eliahu-Ezzra Elias that culminated in a breakaway from the Ottoman Empire in 1876. Made in the late 1970s it documents with remarkable accuracy the emergence of the nation. The final part 'April 16th' shows the troops of the defected Ottoman Army escorting the Governors of the Vilayets of Baghdad and Basrah, who having agreed between them to become President and Vice-President of a new state, are riding horseback through the streets of Baghdad towards the Ottoman Administrative building to submit a mutual recognition treaty between the Dictatorship of Elias and the Ottoman Empire, as hundreds of citizens gather on the streets to celebrate. For dramatic effect this scene is backed by the music of the Grand March from the II Act of Verdi's Aida and this song has therefore become synomous with the founding of the nation, and commonly used at official events, even though it was written five years after the event happened, and associated with it only through the film.

A 1950's RP? Well, considering Al-Ahzad was at the top of it's game.....I don't think I could play.


It would just hurt to much to go back to being a craphole :(

As long as 50s RP doesnt degenerate into an excuse for early invasion attempts to pre-empt the existance of current AMW members ^_^.

It might also be good to sort out the AMW equivalent of the Second World War, and all the associated counterfactuals.

In the 50s....Marimaia would be a fledgling democracy. Yeesh. The Suunists only really appeared mid-60s, so Marimaia would be a Western-leaning nation.

Not something I'm used to RPing; it would be kinda fun.

The Greatest Epic in Roycelandian Cinema is the 14-part (30 hours long!) History of The Empire, which starts in 1495 with the arrival of Roycelandian traders at what is now Dar Es Salaam, and follows the rise of the Roycelandian Empire through the ages, including WWI, WWII, the Fall of Lusaka, and the more recent Imperial Adventures.

Part Propaganda, Part Accurate Historical Record, Part Blockbuster Movie, they're hugely popular and have budgets that make the Lusakan Defence Force Spending look like loose change.

The turning point in the Empire's expansion was the Battle of Khartoum in 1884, when over 25,000 Dervish Warriors attacked the Roycelandian Garrison of approximately 2,000 men.

Unfortunatley for the Dervish, the Roycelandians were armed with Vickers MGs, Martini-Henrys, and Gatling Guns. Over 20,000 Dervish Warriors were wiped out, with the Roycelandian Casualties being less than 50, all from long-range fire. Not surprisingly, Part 11 The Sudan is one of the most popular of the films...

Part 15 (Gabon) is currently in production, with a lot of location filming being undertaken....

Hey,

I know I've been gone, but that was due to computer problems. If you won't accept my application now, I understand.

I don't think its too much of a problem... theres currently a consolidation period going on for existing AMW nations, so it may take a bit of time, but the only really important thing is approval, or lack of objection, from the former SSA nations.

I'm still not convinced... it's nothing personal, Sevaris... I just don't think your proposed version of South Africa would fit in with the way things work in AMW's SSA.

Still, I'm more than willing to be proved wrong on that one...

I know I have been causing a little bit of trouble with all my attempts at grabbing a second nation, but I have another idea.

Perhaps a little sliver of the extreme south of Mozambique? I would like to start out there as a very poor and destitute nation, and have the 900,000 people who live in, well, South Mozambique, oust the army government and get on the road to improvement.

I would imagine that a popular movement, led by Raoul Domingos, has taken hold in the Swaziland-sized enclave south of Maputo as a response to the repressive policies of Colonel Camillo, the military leader, and as a reaction to the crippling AIDS endemic that has taken almost a quarter of the population since the first cases.

The nature of this rebellion will not be military, but rather will be modeled after other non-violent movements in India and Eastern Europe.

I know I have been causing a little bit of trouble with all my attempts at grabbing a second nation, but I have another idea.

Perhaps a little sliver of the extreme south of Mozambique? I would like to start out there as a very poor and destitute nation, and have the 900,000 people who live in, well, South Mozambique, oust the army government and get on the road to improvement.

I would imagine that a popular movement, led by Raoul Domingos, has taken hold in the Swaziland-sized enclave south of Maputo as a response to the repressive policies of Colonel Camillo, the military leader, and as a reaction to the crippling AIDS endemic that has taken almost a quarter of the population since the first cases.

The nature of this rebellion will not be military, but rather will be modeled after other non-violent movements in India and Eastern Europe.


LRR: do you have spies everywhere?
Lets just say there may be a perfect opertunity for your idea in the near future.
*throws down smoke bomb and disappears in swirl of his cape*

So, its a go?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=399816

Finally got the intro RP up and going.

So, its a go?
See TG about the situation.

See TG about the situation.

Ok.

Ok, here I am, and ready to go once the approval is had.

OOC: Ummm...Are you a puppet of someone else?

Its LRR, now hence forth to be called TCB

And he has my approval pending the rest off SSA actually noticing him...

Ok. Well, if all is all then I will start up tomorrow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8328223#post8328223
Xiaguo and Sino, anyone smell the chillli cookin'? Yeeee-Haw!

Mmmm...Dem chili sure smells good, pardner.

You betcha, so how about I whip open a can of it?

If possible I would like to join MW...I'm a pretty good RPer, if you need me to link you I could...I saw the title that said this was closed but I was told I could apply so I'm going to because I'm really interested in this.

Oh yes, I would like to take Spain if possible..didn't see it on the 'taken' list.

Macabee's....I hope you find something open...there's tons of stuff in south east asia, but it's all got history...if you play spain, have great fun buddy...

Now that I'm officially inebrated on 'Uisge a Beo' and such gaidhlig drink, I'll raise a toast to anyone joining...play well friends.

Spain is free, i'm pretty sure. A reminder, though you probably read the general guidelines: RL populations (though not neccessarily cultures) & realistic military-economic factors (if you hav an army like North Korea, you have an economy like North Korea... go Dra-pol!... though there seems to be a bit of wiggle room generally).

And, in AMW, France is a Christian feudal-theocratic monarchy & Italy is a neo-Roman feudal empire... whee.

Perhaps you could post a short outline of the nation you plan to RP in AMW?

I'm Spanish so I'll just post what I know:

Spain is governed by a Socialist administration called the PSOE party with 5,000 elite soldiers called the Legionarios and whatever else they have in the way of a military are about 100,000 soldiers that don't fight much, however, are A class divisions. There's also around sixty Leopard IIs and about a hundred Leopard Is and about two hundred M1A2 Abrams. The populace is about 50/50 on whether Socialist oriented or nationalistic.

In the future, meaning my first post, I plan to exploit the nationalistic oriented populace and have some sort of revolution mirroring that of the '36 General's Rising.

The GDP is about 16,500 dollars and Spain is a 1st World Country. Strongpoints are wine, other foodstuff, cement and marble, as well as some industry.

Are we allowed to use our own weaponry, or do we have to use RL weapons?

No, you don't have to use RL weapons, but any ones you design have to be realistic... if that makes sense...

No, you don't have to use RL weapons, but any ones you design have to be realistic... if that makes sense...

Of course, I have around 2005-2010 technology, if anybody finds any problems with it just tell me and I'll exchange it (for spcific weaponry)..most of is 2005-2007 though.

Rl generally makes things easier for AMW people who don't get strange tingling feels everytime they see a tank but feel free to be creative.

Realism/tech level wise i think a 2005 barrier seems to be clsoe to the limit but there is a bit of wiggle room (IE TBF with his eurofighters that are possibly upto tranche 3 standard and Elkazor (france) and his battle ships.
hypersonic ASMs aren't unknown either. Personally i don't see ETCs or rail guns happening in AMW any time soon but left feild idea are always explorable.

Ok, as for my naval guns instead of 18" rail guns just ignore the rail gun part and assume they're normal 18" guns.

Alrigh, here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=404223) my first thread.

Yeah, we have a fairly strict limit on RL tech being used, but you can use equipment tht isn't in use now, just not any new technology. So, you could use a type of jet fighter that isn't in common use, but that there exists the technology to manufacture them in RL. And that doesn't include hyper-theoretical stuff either!
Also, be sure and RP the effects of mass-producing such cutting edge stuff, like a massive military budget for relativley fewer units, that sort of thing.

WWJD
Amen.

Alrigh, here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=404223) my first thread.


Um, you have not met the rquirements for member ship yet. You must prove your Rping abilities, which doesn't seem like that'de be all that hard, with your post count, and then you must get TWO endorsements on this post from current members, only then will you be a member.
WWJD
Amen.

Well, he seems like a good RPer, so Macabees has one endorsement from me.

Hm, I think we can sort of treat the intial post that Macabees has offered as part of his bid, if you will, really. I think we can probably all get along with the Macabees (maybe not IC :) ) so I'm inclined to support his bid, as well.

Of course, being new there are issues that he'll need to catch up on, as noted by Quinntonia in the first thread for Macabees in AMW.

I'd like to have a few things clarified for myself, too. It seems that The Macabees will be playing Spain splitting off from the real one at about this time in reality? A fairly standard model for western European AMW nations, it seems! I just want to be sure that -since Spain hasn't been heavily involved in any past AMW RPs- he is, I think, free to create a radically different nation in Spain's place as if Spain never existed, if that happens to suit him better. I always feel the need to point this out as a half-Celtic communist commonwealth that exists instead of Sri Lanka and half of India :)

Yeah, you don't really always have to have a complete base in our reality for AMW. Just look at Lyong...

hello, I would like to join in, if I could have a claim in some part of Mexico, I'd take a realistic population.

I'd like to have a few things clarified for myself, too. It seems that The Macabees will be playing Spain splitting off from the real one at about this time in reality? A fairly standard model for western European AMW nations, it seems! I just want to be sure that -since Spain hasn't been heavily involved in any past AMW RPs- he is, I think, free to create a radically different nation in Spain's place as if Spain never existed, if that happens to suit him better. I always feel the need to point this out as a half-Celtic communist commonwealth that exists instead of Sri Lanka and half of India


Well, my idea of a 'new Spain' isn't that farfetched. Being Spanish myself, and nationalist/right wing, I'm pretty well educated in the fact that there's a massive anti-Socialist movement against the PSOE administration. So, I'm taking that movement and making it a little bit more activist.

Well, of course, that's quite all right, too.


...even if you are a primitive patriot :)

Your just jealous I can make cool acronyms like PUNIO :p

As much as I like the idea of a right-wing Spain from an IC point of view, I do believe that Macabees is RPing in a technology level incompatible with AMW. Regardless of the nuances of when an ETC gun/scramjet is feasible, I think is a sidetrack as it defeats the point of the modern world. Is it likely that the first country in the world to develop such technology would be Spain? Is it likely that they could develop it without government support, in secret? The idea behind the modern world is not who can come up with pages of techno-bull about how all the stuff is just around the corner and as someone with admittedly quite advanced knowledge on defence systems etc (which does not just come from a few fallacious web pages), I don't think it is plausible. Anyway by fielding such technology, and convincing others that it is possible and not futuristic, will cause other nations to increase their technology level, to a point where 'modern world', would be an erroneous title. I, like many others I am sure, joined AMW to get away from this kind of RPer. Obviously in AMW we all have to accept someone or not, as it would simply not work if some players 'ignored' others.

Gotta agree with UE, here- Spain is really unlikely to develop Scramjets before anyone else (hell, RL Australia is about neck-in-neck with the US for that honour at the moment).

If Macabees want to keep themselves to around 2004 level stuff, then that seems fine to me. Of course, you might have fun being neighbour to a Restored Monarchic France...

hence why i play a nicely 3rd world nation, no need to worry about the latest tech or super guns as i can still consider LGBs wonder weapons!

I have been having soem thoughts about agreeign soem of of tech basis for a while but then the whole point of AMW is to have fun not be stuck with rules etc (this also related to my thoughts on the actual AMW timeline but thats just me trying to come up with an actual age for strathdonia).

Weapon's tech has always been a grey area in any RP group and each specific area can be argued or repeatedly (ie in tank guns the US do have 2-3 working 120mm ETCs, no idea how developed they are though or wether the problems with the interactions between the plasma and the propellants ever got worked out, on the other hand both the germans and the british have working 140mm conventional guns (well the british one's do show up on Royal ordinace factory inventories)).

hhmmm it seems that my point got lost in there somewhere, not too unusual...

A quick question for you all: Is the list of nations on the first page accurate?

Reason I ask is that I wish to join AMW as South Africa, I'm planning to have SA in a situation where inflation is nearly manageable which raises it’s quality in receiving foreign investment. Currently SA exports and imports with several nations of Europe, as well as several from Asia and of course with the US. All of that is available on the CIA World Factbook and so I don’t see any point yet in posting great details, least not until it’s needed.

I don't know if I should post here, since it says you are taking no more applications, but I would like to.

First of, I am relativly new to NS (December '04 nation) but I have been RP'ing on others sites for close to 3 years and 2.5 years before I joined NS, so I believe my RP'ing skills are good enough (that's for you to decide though).

Application if I can apply:

Nation: Modern-Day Turkey
Population: Almost 69 million people (CIA factbook)
Current Government: Democracy
My Government: Monarchy, with a Parliment to keep king in check, slightly like Britain in the Age of Discovery.
My Leader: Sultan Abdul Hamid III
Biography of My Turkey (History from WWI):

During WWI, the sultan, Mehmed VI, was hated by the populace, if only because he was losing the war. However, hope struck, for him, light in his dark prison. His wife gave birth to a son, Osman IV, a brilliant boy, even from childhood. So, when Mustafa Kemel Ataturk led the rebellion, the boy bargained with him and the two of them formed a new system of government. There would be 3 houses, the Osmanid house, made up of Osman's relatives, the Peasent house, or a group of random peasents selected randomly from different cities, and the Merchant house, which was elected. For a bill to pass, the Sultan and two of the houses had to approve on it. Approval was a simple majority. For Ataturk's part in this, the Kingdom was named after him. Turkey.

Osman IV died in 1984, at the age on 100. His son, Ahmed IV, was a staunch isolationist fundementalist Muslim who turned Turkey in on itself. Born in the aftermath of WWII, (1955 to be exact) he saw the dangers of both facism and communism. 29 when he ascended the throne, there was a constant battle between the Sultan and Parliment during his time. It was then that people began to see the dangers of the type of government they had. However, Ahmed IV died in 2003, of poisoning, at the age of 48. The assassin was never found.

The current sultan, Ahmed IV's son Abdul Hamid III, is a liberal, polite, man. He is a sultan, but believes in democracy and the principles that others of his type believe in. Once again, Turkey has returned to the Earth, out of it's shell, welcome to receive the world.

OOC:Good enough?

A note for Yafor 2 on RPing Turkey:

It WOULD be nice... that spot is kind-of odd to have empty given politics in Europe. HOWEVER, The Estenlands sits across the Black Sea from Turkey, and is a feudal absolute monarchy, so that might be something to account for. And, I believe, several provinces in southern Turkey are, in AMW, part of Al-Sabir.

A quick question for you all: Is the list of nations on the first page accurate?

Reason I ask is that I wish to join AMW as South Africa, I'm planning to have SA in a situation where inflation is nearly manageable which raises it’s quality in receiving foreign investment. Currently SA exports and imports with several nations of Europe, as well as several from Asia and of course with the US. All of that is available on the CIA World Factbook and so I don’t see any point yet in posting great details, least not until it’s needed.

Unfortunately, the first page list is woefully outdated. As for South Africa, someone else has already made a pending claim.
In any event, when considering RP of South Africa, the opinions of the Sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) group of RPers is key.... they brought a previous RP history into AMW when they were absorbed, and so their opinions are paramount in resolving any sub-saharan claims.

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As for technology levels, I definitely agree on a 2004 limit on technologies for AMW. The possible and the plausible, to keep AMW discord to a minimum, should be tied closely to the actual. Not that a nation which in RL doesnt make its own battle tank can't have designed one in AMW, but it should fit with 2004 armour technologies.

A note for Yafor 2 on RPing Turkey:

It WOULD be nice... that spot is kind-of odd to have empty given politics in Europe. HOWEVER, The Estenlands sits across the Black Sea from Turkey, and is a feudal absolute monarchy, so that might be something to account for. And, I believe, several provinces in southern Turkey are, in AMW, part of Al-Sabir.

I'm Ok with that. The Estenlands situation seems like a cool RP idea and not having a part of Turkey is fine.

I don't know if I should post here, since it says you are taking no more applications, but I would like to.

First of, I am relativly new to NS (December '04 nation) but I have been RP'ing on others sites for close to 3 years and 2.5 years before I joined NS, so I believe my RP'ing skills are good enough (that's for you to decide though).

Application if I can apply:

Nation: Modern-Day Turkey
Population: Almost 69 million people (CIA factbook)
Current Government: Democracy
My Government: Monarchy, with a Parliment to keep king in check, slightly like Britain in the Age of Discovery.
My Leader: Sultan Abdul Hamid III
Biography of My Turkey (History from WWI):

During WWI, the sultan, Mehmed VI, was hated by the populace, if only because he was losing the war. However, hope struck, for him, light in his dark prison. His wife gave birth to a son, Osman IV, a brilliant boy, even from childhood. So, when Mustafa Kemel Ataturk led the rebellion, the boy bargained with him and the two of them formed a new system of government. There would be 3 houses, the Osmanid house, made up of Osman's relatives, the Peasent house, or a group of random peasents selected randomly from different cities, and the Merchant house, which was elected. For a bill to pass, the Sultan and two of the houses had to approve on it. Approval was a simple majority. For Ataturk's part in this, the Kingdom was named after him. Turkey.

Osman IV died in 1984, at the age on 100. His son, Ahmed IV, was a staunch isolationist fundementalist Muslim who turned Turkey in on itself. Born in the aftermath of WWII, (1955 to be exact) he saw the dangers of both facism and communism. 29 when he ascended the throne, there was a constant battle between the Sultan and Parliment during his time. It was then that people began to see the dangers of the type of government they had. However, Ahmed IV died in 2003, of poisoning, at the age of 48. The assassin was never found.

The current sultan, Ahmed IV's son Abdul Hamid III, is a liberal, polite, man. He is a sultan, but believes in democracy and the principles that others of his type believe in. Once again, Turkey has returned to the Earth, out of it's shell, welcome to receive the world.

OOC:Good enough?

OOC:

Hmmm... looks fine, but you should know that I occupy quite large chunk of Turkey, so cut about 8 million people off the CIA factbook figure and you have your population.

You should know that I'm currently quite busy with school and stuff, but I'm still in the process of raiding several Kurdish villages (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391477) on Turkish soil, so maybe you're interested in getting involved? Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7997867&postcount=270) is some more info on Sabir.

Also, as Sabirian relations with Turkey are rather strained and Elian deterrence is probably the only thing keeping Turkey from retaking its southern provinces. could we agree that the assassin of Ahmed IV was a Sabirian, as Ahmed could've tried to regain Turkey's former territory through force, for example? I'm sure that we can work something out.

As I've said already I'm willing to exchange the 120mm ETC gun to a 120mm smoothbore Rhinemetal - same effect for me - ... the same thing goes with the SCRAMjet...I'll give a RAMjet..same effect and it's technology out since the 80s.

Hey, that'd be cool! I'd like that. If I'm accepted, I'll do an RP with you.

Correction:

Population: Almost 61 million

Also, the only reason that tank preformed so well against the Abrams was for spice - I can't exactly have my tanks get knocked out left and right and hope to win this so I have to stretch some things - moreover, the entire point, as it lead to in that part, was that the Socialist administration/army was led by stupid leaders and lacked the charisma, the intelligence and the power to create a state/army which was able to stand up to weaponry a bit more armored, a bit larger, and with better crews.

Welcome Yafor...atleast one non-ultranationalist will be a good change of pace. The SFDNY probably won't be much in contact with Turkey, Yaman occupying part of north Lyong peninsula (imaginary peninsula north of korea).

So you approve me? Sorry, but I feel the need to be officially allowed to enter.

Yafor, welcome, its rather important to me that we understand each other, as UE and Turkey are inextricably linked, given the fact that our nation broke off from the Ottoman Empire in the 19th Century (slightly earlier than the RL nations we occupy) and that we are now the dominant country in the region and one of the world's major powers . However, I would assume that we, being quite traditional and nostalgic of our history (we formed a Republic as we felt we were being mishandled, but we still would harbour residual respect for the Ottoman dynasty) we would have opposed Ataturk and possibly aided in keeping him from power. Although Mesopotamia is part of our nation, it is not quite the entirity of modern Iraq, as it excludes Kirkuk and the north-easten Kurdish areas. What exactly is happening in those areas is unclear, and maybe they can be a sort of Kurdish autonomous region. Rather like Sabir we are not particulaly fond of the Kurds, and that feeling is mutual.

It would be useful for you to read this information on United Elias:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/United_Elias

Yes, that was interesting.

I was thinking of something along the lines of this:

Ataturk wanted to actually take control and found a republic but, opposed the power in UE, he decided to keep the Ottoman Empire on the throne.

That would solve a problam in my history that has been nagging me.

I'll start an "introduction" type of RP soon.

Hey, this is a great idea. Can someone set up a website and maybe some invision forums?

If its available,

Citalta
Agentina, Uruguay, Chile
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Citalta

So, what's the news with me?

Yafor, I have no problem with you, although I don't think you're in a terribly enviable position, sandwitched between the Feudalist Ukraine and its supporter France. Now with Italy on the map, and romanesque/nationalist to boot, and Spain rapidly deteriorating in sanity, you might want to keep and eye out and a low profile. It seems to work with the Chinas...

The Macabees, eh, you have the green light from me, but its probably best for the both of you to wait for a more legitimate member of AMW to approve you.

While I definately do not like your style, its got to be better than the world of one-sentence posts that our dear Chinas inhabit.

Ok, I'll wait. Anyway, though my IC position doesn't help me at all, it makes a good RP.

Ok, I'll wait. Anyway, though my IC position doesn't help me at all, it makes a good RP.

OCC: Well, you look like the kind of country I like. Liberal monarch+democratic legislature=Free arms from Hindustan!

But seriously, you can definately expect a fair amount of weaponry from Hindustan for little or no cost...nay, obligation!

It's also worth bearing in mind that Roycelandia has a long history of involvement in the Middle East, dating back to at least the 16th century.


What this means in English is that most of the Middle Eastern Sheiks/Sultans/Caliphs can usually count on a lot of Roycelandian technical support and Arms, if they want them...

I think that we should seriously look at a 2004 tech cap, as most of us wanted into this group for the simple reason that we didn't want to have these discussions at all anymore, too many RPs devolved into whther or not just future tech was possible. So, with a 2004 cap, then we would opnly use tech that is already in use today.
WWJD
Amen.

Yep, I agree. I use technology from 2005 already, with ocassional technology from the next year.

Ok, I'll wait. Anyway, though my IC position doesn't help me at all, it makes a good RP.

I think you can assume to have broad UE support, in terms of militay equipment, oil etc, we would be more than happy to sell you those, although our mutual relationship would fluctuate depending on who was in power in Ankara. i.e a more right wing parliament would be more favourable.

I think that we should seriously look at a 2004 tech cap, as most of us wanted into this group for the simple reason that we didn't want to have these discussions at all anymore, too many RPs devolved into whther or not just future tech was possible. So, with a 2004 cap, then we would opnly use tech that is already in use today.
WWJD
Amen.

All the technology I use save SCRAMjet and ETC guns are in use today - and as I've said, this for my fifth time, I am willing to replace SCRAMjet with RAMjet and ETC with a normal smoothbore gun.

Hmm, seems like all of you want to help me! ;)

UE, sorry, no help there. If I do change regiems(sp?), then I doubt that would happen.

I'm in, right?

OCC: Well, you look like the kind of country I like. Liberal monarch+democratic legislature=Free arms from Hindustan!

But seriously, you can definately expect a fair amount of weaponry from Hindustan for little or no cost...nay, obligation!

OOC:Hey, that's cool, I'm from India!

OOC:Hey, that's cool, I'm from India!

OCC: Neat. Its a nice place, I hear.

Well, I think you're all set.

OOC: Hey guys.

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, so I'll ask.

Have you had an RP idea for AMW but been unable to enact it because the member you need to RP with has been inactive for more than a while?

Now, I realise that people have lives outside NS, and as such they often have better things to do, but would it be so hard to just post that they are still around? I mean, there are some members who haven't participated in anything for nearly four months, despite there being ample opportunity.

I know that some people are a little hesitant to get involved, but since there aren't many AMW members perhaps we should consider the membership of people who have claimed nations and then done very little with them. I'm not saying 'two or three weeks non-involvement and goodbye', but almost four months with no explanation is stretching it in my opinion.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, I dunno.

OOC: Hey guys.

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, so I'll ask.

Have you had an RP idea for AMW but been unable to enact it because the member you need to RP with has been inactive for more than a while?

Now, I realise that people have lives outside NS, and as such they often have better things to do, but would it be so hard to just post that they are still around? I mean, there are some members who haven't participated in anything for nearly four months, despite there being ample opportunity.

I know that some people are a little hesitant to get involved, but since there aren't many AMW members perhaps we should consider the membership of people who have claimed nations and then done very little with them. I'm not saying 'two or three weeks non-involvement and goodbye', but almost four months with no explanation is stretching it in my opinion.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, I dunno.

Who are you referring to?

If I make a forum for this Modern World Group, would people sign up? I love making forums.

If I make a forum for this Modern World Group, would people sign up? I love making forums.

Completely! That would not onyl make things clearer, but it would also maek newer nations (like me) know what's going on!

Actually, I'll do it right now. LOL


I will finish it by tonight or tomorrow night.

lol. Which forum-maker will you use? Proboards? Invisionfree? Anything else?

Invisionfree