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The eminent nation of Dra-pol has had a brain storm and you are invited!!!!

Dra-pol, everyone’s favourite psychotic was sick and tired of trying to explain the NS number simulator. How can 3 billion people live on the Korean Peninsula? How can its chief enemy, Quinntonian Dra-pol be almost 3 billion and represent only two cities on that same Korean Peninsula? What fun is it playing an army that can just say, “I have sent 25 million heavily armed troops your way,” and have that answered with, “My defences incorporate 80 million evil shock troops, and I am calling up my 500 million reservists.”

C’mon, any of us who have been in NS very long have had a conversation jut like this if we are involved in ANY war threads, and these could be between reasonable people, just playing a nation that can realistically front amazing numbers. It gets worse with nOObs.

And there is worse things than that. “I am going to attack you, where geographically, is your nation?”
“I am a series of islands located in the Pacific Ocean, somewhere between North America and Japan.”
“huh?”

There is also the famous fifty nation pile-up, whenever you post as a nation that is unpopular in some way, you can have fifty nations, all with 3 billion pops, post saying they share a border with you.

So, Dra-pol decided to do something about it, he said that he was going to declare that he was in the geographic location of N. Korea, and take on its geography and RL population, and that he was absolutely NOT RECOGNISE anyone who used anything but RL technology. That is, not tech that is not CURRENTLY in use.

I loved the idea and immediately followed suit. This also attracted a few more people, and we started claiming land in South-East Asia, as well as North America and Russia. We claimed the RL populations of these territories and now RP with those nations.
This experiment is a major success!!! The RPs that have cropped up are amazing, since we only have to RP with other MODERN WORLD nations, there is less stupidity, and we vote on all members that are recognised in our RPing group so, we keep nOObs to a minimum. Also, ones that get through and cause any major trouble, usually have major alliances to contend with, as Bonstock just found out.

Now, nations that do RP with us still RP on the outside of this clique, but what they do out there does not affect what goes on in the MODERN WORLD. They kind of play it like there is an alternate universe nation, and then the MODERN WORLD one.

I will also be posting a list of the nations already recognised, so you will have an idea what to do.

Any way, there are several awesome Rpers already involved and we have decided to open this up to others who might be interested. If you are, post your nations name, territory claimed, and be prepared to negotiate for it, and take suggestions.
IMPORTANT: IN MODERN WORLD RPS, ONLY MODERN WORLD RECOGNISED NATIONS WILL BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE!!

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million-Southern India
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
Wulaishen-Phillipines-86 million
East Islandia-Australia-20 million
The British Federation-United Kingdom-60 million

WWJD
Amen.

Many thanks to the Modern World's foremost cross-bearers for their flattery and slander :)

So far as I'm concerned, the best thing about the MW group is that it -generally- expects and maintains a higher standard of RPing than occurs in Earth #-whatever environments that aren't so picky. As such don't be surprised if your, "I claim Turkey and Syria!" falls on deaf ears. That's not exactly what we're about. It should be noted that just because some of our members RP both within and without the community, one shouldn't view this as an easy way to grab territory on yet another earth and to be omgpowerful in as many places as possible. The MW isn't a contest or a race, as reflected by the fact that many of us willingly RP with puny little populations and down-the-toilet economies [woo, 34-million people living out of ration-books even in peacetime!].

Anyway, yes, feel free to look around.

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Okay, as I see it right now:

A Modern World
-With undisputed, active players and up-to-date real world populations (which may potentially be tweaked to fit):

Quinntonia
-USA
293million
-Hamhung & Hungnam
Enclave on east coast of north Korea, claimed by Dra-pol
6million

Hudecia
-Canada
32.5million

Roycelandia
-Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St Kitts and Nevis, Attu and Kisaka Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Southern Gabon, Goa
Around 130million

Ghosts of the Incans
-Peru and Bolivia
On hiatus?
36.8million

Neo-Anarchos
-Venezuala, Guyana, Colombia, Suriname, Ecuador
Around 82million

Dra-pol
-Korea
Northern half of peninsula governed, Quinntonian enclave and southern half claimed.
34million

Beth Gellert
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh, Jharkhand, West Bengal
409million

Lunatic Retard Robots
-Pakistan, Indian states of Madhya Pradesh, Matharashtra, Gujarat
Around 355million?

Andaman and Nicobar
-Andaman and Nicobar Islands
360thousand

Dai Nippon Koku
-Japan

Sujava
-Java, Sumatra (less Aceh, including Riau-Lingga Archipelago), Madura, Bali, Lesser Sunda Islands (to Tanimbar).

United Elias
-Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Belize, Seychelles, Western Gabon
Around 125million+

Lusaka
-Most of Tanzania, Eastern Zambia, part of DR Congo
42million

Al Khals
-Remainder of Tanzania
4million

Strathdonia
-Malawi
12million

African Commonwealth
-Most of DR Congo, northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi
72million+

The British Federation
-The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its Overseas Territories
-60million

Lavrageria
-Northern and eastern Belarus
3.2million

The Estenlands
-Ukraine, remainder of Belarus
48million (plus around six million under occupation)

Elkazor
-France and its overseas territories
In the process of reverting to NPC control?
60million

Doomingsland
-Italy (less Sicily and Sardinia?)
Over 40million?

The Macabees
-Spain (and Morocco?)
Around 40million (or 72million?)

Armandian Cheese
-Russia
Around 145million

Al-Ahzad
-Oman and Yemen less Socotra
Reverting to NPC control?
Around 23million

Sabir/Al-Sabir
-Syria, Lebanon, and the Turkish provinces of Hatay, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa, Kilis, Mardin, Osmaniye, Diyarbakir, Adiyaman, Batman, Sirnak, Siirt
Almost 30million

Yafor 2
-Turkey less Sabir's provinces
Over 50million?

Trucial States
-United Arab Emirates
Reverting to NPC control?
2.5million+?

East Islandia
-Australia
Around 20million

Xiaguo
-China
Over 1.26bln

Note on the unique status of the Lyong players
The Lyong Peninsula is yet the only fictional land mass recognised within the Modern World. It is included due to the early involvement of its principle occupants in MW-related RPs and the developmental history invested by these nations in both Lyong and the MW. It is the exception rather than the rule. The peninsula extends from mainland Asia into the Sea of Japan between Korea and Honshu.

Spyr
-Lyong Peninsula
60million

North Yaman
-Lyong Peninsula
15million

Pending applications, disputed claims, potential changes, et cetera
Sure to cause controversy, this section will be full of nations that need only indicate continued interest before being considered full members, of current accepted members contemplating a last minute change to their claim, and to current members that I just have a problem with, right?

Lavrageria
Possibility of a move to former Yugoslav republics and surrender of Belarusian territory

Bedou
Probability of inclusion within other states including possibly-abandoned southern Arabian states

Moorington
Heavily disputed claim in Germany/Austria region

Other issues and disputes

I have probably missed all sorts, but this post will be constantly revised and improved.

I claim Ukraine.

I wish to be an absolute monarchy.
I will use estimated RL population (CIA Factbook) of 50 million.

(PS- This is a nation controlled by Quinntonia, you are completey within your rights to disqualify me on that alone, however, let me plead my case. This nation will not be a puppet of Quinntonia. I just want to play another character, the oppressive Czar, you all get to be tyrants, I always have to try and stop you, I want to be a bad guy for once, or at least not an uber nice guy.
I can promise that I will not use this nation to porop up Quinntonia, but if you all want, I will withdraw my claim.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

If that's Quinntonia, I don't have a problem with the multiple nations thing, I've done it myself. So long as it leads to good RPs, you know, 's fine with me.
The only problem would be the possible conflicting claim in Belarus.

Edit: Oh, I see you beat me to dealing with that ;)

OOC: This is a good idea. I agree, newer members get screwed the most when RPing with people who have 3 billion +. Its just not fair. The disparaging numbers between both extremes is just insane, so I'm up for it.

BTW, damn someone took Japan, T_T.

I'm not entirely sure of that. I've contacted Oshima and Izu about the Japan Sea conference we were talking about in Asian Cooperation, and he hasn't send a message back. This shouldn't disqualify him yet, as he may also be in this hell we call "higher education". But the possiblity is there that he has gone 'poof', for lack of a better word.

As for Quinntonia playing a dictatorship...I'm usually against anyone playing two nations, but its appearing that it is going to be more and more necessary in the MW, unless we want hundreds of players. Also, Quinntonia has shown that he is a good roleplayer, and no godmodder. I would be interested in some Celtic nation myself, but I already have a small rp set up for that in the Maritimes. And if you're reading this Hudecia, its just an alternate world...no contested lands in Atlantic Canada...

C'mon guys, let's get something happening, this is probably one of the best, if not the best Rping groups there are.
WWJD
Amen.

You becha!

Will nonone take this Rping challenge? Is no one out there willling to prove their Rping skill?
WWJD
Amen.

I'm sure it'll happen in the course of future RPs.

Lavrageria will be looking to some new RPs on the foundation of the republic and apparently on arriving at that condition only to find that we have an evil neighbour in Ukraine. That should be interesting.

I think that I'll put a link to this thread either at the start of future threads or in my signature.

I might be interested in RPing the UK (or scotland anyway) but i can't really pormise much in the way of time at the moment.

I'd like to RP as Germany, if at all possible.

OOCly: Outside of here, I RP located in Spain and Portugal- so DA or any of the other people I RP with, if you're reading this, don't worry- this is an alternate world.

Ah c'mon and sign up....

There are plenty of nations for new Modern Worlders to interact with; we've got monarchies, democracies, reclusive dictatorships, ultraliberal dictatorships, in fact the only type we don't seem to have is anarchist.

There's plenty of intrigue to join in with, alliances to join...

Just remember: you have the realistic population, but you don't have to keep the RL mode of government. For example, mainland China is split between two monarchies and a conservative-nationalist state; India is now several smaller states; Russia is a liberal democracy.

Belarus is remarkably close to being an anarchy, it's just not entirely deliberate ;)

I just want to make sure that people understand that this isn't a one-off RP we're recruiting for, it's... a way of (RP) life!

Yeah, that was corny, I'm sorry. But it's kinda true, I think?

This looks fun. It sounds like you had alot of time on your hand to do this :D

Well ill join this rp only if i can place my nation were the RL nation of Oman is.

Do we know quite how we’re processing applications, or whatever you want to call it?

I’d also like to remind/inform everyone reading about the origins of this movement.
Originally I started a thread on Asian geography in hopes of finally confirming my neighbours. Dra-pol was already situated in North Korea and in no small part inspired by Korea and specifically the Democratic People’s Republic. I had previously made do with a none player controlled PR China which limited RP potential, and I had been using the listed population of Dra-pol. This changed with the re-start of the war in Korea, as I realised that Dra-pol had enough artillery to kill everybody in range with one volley, and that 1st world states had the resources to build absurd super ships and hyper death missiles and what not.

The point of that is to say that Dra-pol is not the DPRK, and that the Modern World was not started
-For a single one-off RP
-To claim extra territory on another earth
-To exactly mimic or even to play a real life nation

For example, the USA is Quinntonia. It is not the Quinntonian territory of the USA, nor is it the USA being played by Quinntonia. So if you join this community, you’ll be playing your own Nation State but finally giving it realism and a place in the real world.

Did that make sense?

Some nations are more heavily inspired by their real life locations than others. The Chinas are more or less an alternate modern history of that land, I suppose, and Drapoel society looks a lot like North Korean, but LRR is a world apart from the Russian Federation, and in Beth Gellert’s India Hindus are a minority.
I’d advise looking at a few of the threads going on in our world to see if they even interest you, if you’re thinking of taking the plunge. Personally I advocate as much immersion as possible into the community, as my own opinion is that those amongst us also inclined to play the same nation separately outside of the community end up... like Bonstock.

Well expressed- like, take me- What I intend to do is have a conservative democracy in Germany- not like the real FRG, and not like Sevaris.

Great idea, Dra-pol. This will allow everyone to play realistically- without having to cram 3 billion people into the Vatican City (as I have seen done)

Hmm, this is a damn good idea!

Could I do a Socialist Democracy in Saudi Arabia?

I would like to be Greece in Modern World RPs. Its population is 10,647,529 according to the world factbook entry.

Now, don't put too much weight in anything I say here, because I'm not the over-riding authority in my region, but I think that Sub Saharan Africa is pretty well on the brink of being this sort of community. The UAR Lusaka covers Most of Tanzania and half of Zambia, has forty-two million people and an imploded economy, and is bordered by other RPing nations populated by anything from four million to... well, I'm not actually sure, a few million more than Lusaka. Most of the nations would fit fine into the Modern World and give it an Africa (well, six or seven nations in Africa!), but there might be sticking points, which is why I say not to assume weight behind this. Roycelandia and United Elias control colonies in the region, which are RP'd realistically, but I am not sure that UE's homeland in the Middle East exactly fits the formula, and Roycelandia's homeland is, I believe, fictional. Still, I might see whether they have any interest at all in these proceedings. I'm inclined to think that those nations may feel they have too much to lose, but from my stand-point I see more than enough compensation.
Watch this space :)

(Uh, plus I know some of the players and Lusaka has been feeling terribly exposed since BG shrank and moved further away. Think of the Roycelandian expansion that could go unchecked if we become distanced from the MW! Wait, no, Royce, don't read that bit!)

The idea of incorperating SSA would be interesting...

of coruse strathdonia is sort of relying on non player controlled, france, germany, Uk and brazil to buy stuff from...

I am interested in playing South Africa. I'm not sure what the pop is, but it is strategically located, and therefore worth fighting over.

So, let me get this straight.....we play the RL nation with that nation's RL military. However, we can build our RL nation according to RL economics, etc.
Our regular nation, in my case Xeraph, plays no part in any of this RL role-playing.

Lemme know what's going on...

Alaric

The Grey Phoenix would like to play Brazil. :sniper:

Oh, hey, Crookfur, I didn't see you there :)
Well, I think maybe is the British Federation on the fringes of this? (I don't know any South American nations out there. I know we shot down a Brazilian jet belonging to the Al Khali air force, though, but that's a point aside, heh.)

If our Sub Saharan African region were to become incorporated, I'd hesitate on reading that post from Xeraph, 'strategically located and worth fighting over' sounds like missing the point. And don't get me started on the dude with the sniper.

Wolfanga want to have Mexico and Cuba. Is OK?

Excuse me, maybe I'm missing something here. If we're going to roleplay a RL nation, what are we going to do.........just chat? In the RL world, there are all sorts of wars, trading, etc........What's the point of having a RL world if it isn't "real"?

And what's wrong with the sniper guy?

What an excellent Idea! I would love to join, if it were not for the fact that I would have to give up my new navy. But, would it be ok for my puppet Bendorel to join? If so, here is what I would like to claim:
Sicily
Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Corsica
Population: 260,000
Malta
Population: 396,851

I don't know, Wolfanga, we don't know anything about you.

I think maybe we should have some sort of loose association method of introduction where people we know nothing of, such as brand new players, don't try to claim anything until they have an RP to contribute... then they can perhaps invite Modern Worlders to get involved in their RP introducing them to the MW and either we'll get along or we won't. They could choose to stay and we could choose to accept them, and they'll have a relatively realistic NS experience from the get go, or it could be a complete disaster because they like smilies with machineguns and can't RP to save their lives, or because they decided that the wider NS world is more for them, or that we're just bastards.

There's no rush, and only try to get in if you actually want your NS experience to be a more insular, realistic affair... you don't want to be the biggest dog or whatever, you know?

Fingers crossed on the SS Africa thing working out, as there'll finally be someone on the bottom rung supporting those big proud North American economies ;)

Oh, hey, Crookfur, I didn't see you there :)
Well, I think maybe is the British Federation on the fringes of this? (I don't know any South American nations out there. I know we shot down a Brazilian jet belonging to the Al Khali air force, though, but that's a point aside, heh.)

If our Sub Saharan African region were to become incorporated, I'd hesitate on reading that post from Xeraph, 'strategically located and worth fighting over' sounds like missing the point. And don't get me started on the dude with the sniper.

Well TBF would be a very good Uk player and to be honest is sort of integrated with us as the UK (although my hawks aren't any that he has ever listed).

to the MWers
Anyway for the moment consider the Crookfur application for the UK/scotland withdrawn pending investigation of the SSA possibilities.

Wolfanga new, yes, but able to RP good. Mexico and Cuba good nations for Wolfanga because underdeveloped. Wolfanga allied to Xeraph. Xeraph think good of Wolfanga or not let Wolfanga be part of new Xeraph region. You'll see.

Wulf

The United States of Crawling Death wants to play the nation of Antarctica. We are unsure as to the population, but it can't be much, a few hundred at best.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Prez H.R. Klintin

Excuse me, maybe I'm missing something here. If we're going to roleplay a RL nation, what are we going to do.........just chat? In the RL world, there are all sorts of wars, trading, etc........What's the point of having a RL world if it isn't "real"?

And what's wrong with the sniper guy?
No man...we have quite a few rps going on right now, and quite a bit of back history in the Asian region. Currently an alliance is trying to stabilize former Bonstock, Marimaia is having a coronation, Xiaguo is in a civil war, Kanendru is being taken over by Maoists...all part of the fun! Just look up some of our names, and you can find rps...

So yeah, we don't just 'chat', we develop characters, make unique cultures for our nations, alliances, trading...everything basically.

And the sniper guy...thats anyones guess. But if it means only war roleplay threads, then he'll probably end up like Bonstock.

Um...Wolf? I think we're trying to keep down the number of inexperienced players, though if you show us that you can rp well I have no objections to a joint Mexico/Cuba state...

No man...we have quite a few rps going on right now, and quite a bit of back history in the Asian region. Currently an alliance is trying to stabilize former Bonstock, Marimaia is having a coronation, Xiaguo is in a civil war, Kanendru is being taken over by Maoists...all part of the fun! Just look up some of our names, and you can find rps...

So yeah, we don't just 'chat', we develop characters, make unique cultures for our nations, alliances, trading...everything basically.

And the sniper guy...thats anyones guess. But if it means only war roleplay threads, then he'll probably end up like Bonstock.

Um...Wolf? I think we're trying to keep down the number of inexperienced players, though if you show us that you can rp well I have no objections to a joint Mexico/Cuba state...


OK.........understood. Thank you. SO, am I to assume I have South Africa independant from SSA?

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Sevaris, you have claimed Germany, population approx. 82.5 million.

Hallad, you have claimed Saudi Arabia, population approx. 26 million

Nikolaos The Great, you have claimed Greec, population approx. 11 million

imported_Lusaka, you have an unspecified claim in Africa

Xeraph, you have cliamed South Africa, approx. population 43 million

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Corsica
Population: 260,000
Malta
Population: 396,851

Crookfur, I couldn't find your claim, am I just blind?

As for the other claims, you all need to prove that you are going to be able to be trusted with the awesome Rping responsibility that we are giving you. Get out there and get involved, then come back later. And as for the guy that claimed Antarctica, get real.

Now, this list does not mean that any of the people on it are codified and recognised yet, only that they have bids, it is up to the people involved to approve you...or not.
WWJD
Amen.

Hello, I was interested in playing France. Only with a twist...that the French Republic has been overthrown again (in the modern era, of course) and the Bourbon Monarchy has been restored under Louis XX, which is to say a restoration of the Ancien Regime in its entirity. I think this would be great fun, and indeed add another dimension to the game you guys are setting up. Thanks a bunch for your consideration

Q. I think Lusaka and Crookfur's interest is sort of dependent upon others. There's a small region with which some of us in MW have had past dealings (Sub Saharan Africa), and Lusaka is in it, as are a few others including a Crookfur puppet (not really a true puppet, as I don't think it has much to do with his main nation, like your new Ukraine venture)... but Lusaka and Crookfur don't yet know whether they can join, as it depends on others in their region... so Crookfur may want to make an alternate claim instead, if the SSA thing doesn't work out.

Damn it! That was supposed to reduce confusion!

I need another beer.

For all modern world nations, I have found this (http://www.nationmaster.com/) to be an excellent resource on nations.

And you can never go wrong with old Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page). While I primarily use it to look up science stuff, especially quantum physics formulas, you can find a whole lot of information on it.

I think any efforts to expand The Modern World into Africa and the Middle East would be great. Europe would also be very good, but I think we'd need more European nations before it could really take off.

Good efforts guys. I forgot who thought of a modern world, but before all of this, it started with the Asian ALliance, when Me and a few others joined in a United Asia front, much like a UN of Asia and fought the enemy Bonstopck, now one of the respected rper's in the Modern world. I guess we have further stepped into a modern world once in for all instead of only in Asia.

To be part of this unique group of rpers, please, only if you are active and wish to participate.

I would like to do take Norway but will probably do so with a puppet nation. I'm posting as POJ here as people know me best in NS rp by that name. This would be a socialist leaning Presidential type government currently with a strong chance for a rebellion for a monarchy or a demonstration of sorts (that could get manipulated) for an outright Christian Socialist position at some point

Quinntonia:

My claim wasn't exactly strongly worded but can be found ehre:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7570495&postcount=11

As i said i'm withdrawing it for now until we get the SSA matter sorted (seeing as i run the small antion of Strathdonia, ie a version of Malawi that has managed to sort itself into some kind of workable society with a distinct scottish accent).

i think the main stumbling block remains with Roycelandia due to thier homeland being a large fictional nation
but we coudl work soemthing out with roycelandia being a confederation of a series of carribean isalnds.(this is compeltely off the top of my head and in no way reflects anyone else's veiws).




And yes Crookfur has nothing to do with Strathdonia, while T-7 gilgamesh tanks, Doujins and bomber armadas are fun in small doses you do need a break now and then.

Q. I think Lusaka and Crookfur's interest is sort of dependent upon others. There's a small region with which some of us in MW have had past dealings (Sub Saharan Africa), and Lusaka is in it, as are a few others including a Crookfur puppet (not really a true puppet, as I don't think it has much to do with his main nation, like your new Ukraine venture)... but Lusaka and Crookfur don't yet know whether they can join, as it depends on others in their region... so Crookfur may want to make an alternate claim instead, if the SSA thing doesn't work out.

Damn it! That was supposed to reduce confusion!

I need another beer.

Since I will will drink to anything, I'll drink to that. BTW, I have an entire cellar of cold Bass Ale....care to join me and a few other NS rulers for a weekend of fishing, drinking, and general mayhem?

I have read a couple of Modern World RP’s, and I like the high quality in the threads.
I’m relative new here in NS (aug 2004), but I think that I can meet up with the high quality Modern World RP.

One of my latest threads is where I was going to invade a neighbor, and to have a reasonable reason to do that the government made faked satellite photos. After a couple of days one of the generals leaked the story to the press, and it lead to the governments fall, sort of a coup. The thread is found here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375357

I’d love to participate in the Modern World. If you let me in I’ll play as my homeland Sweden. The population is about 9 million, so it’s a tiny country.

That looks good to me, although we'll have to see what the other modern-worlders think about things.

What kind of government would you have, out of curiosity?

I would be happy to have TBF's UK represent that which exists in the MW, having sort of lingered around the fringes for some time.
Slightly unconventionally for the group, TBF does actually represent the real nation, but it is taking a fairly radical departure under PM John Bull and his British Industrial Democratic party. I've already been using the real population without regard for the disadvantage it created, so don't have any problem with being five times smaller than Quinntonia or ten times smaller than each of the big Chinas.
The Commonwealth wasn't going anywhere, really, so perhaps I'll just try to re-create ties with the North Americans, continentals, and the likes of Strathdonia, if possible. Come on, Strathdonia, you potentially represent half the former empire, now :) [waves a flag or two]

I would like to claim Denmark as San Lucia's homeland. The population is around 5,413,392.

The Estenlands, you have claimed Ukraine, population approx. 60 million

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Sevaris, you have claimed Germany, population approx. 82.5 million.

Hallad, you have claimed Saudi Arabia, population approx. 26 million

Nikolaos The Great, you have claimed Greec, population approx. 11 million

imported_Lusaka, you have an unspecified claim in Africa

Xeraph, you have cliamed South Africa, approx. population 43 million

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Corsica
Population: 260,000
Malta
Population: 396,851

Kopparbergs, you have claimed Sweden, approx. population 9 million

POJ, you have claimed Norway, approx. population 5 million

Kopparbergs, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

I am including Kopparbergs bid because in his posts I see nothing of a nOOb in him. I am open to debate on this piont, but I support his bid.
I will personally vouch for POJ, and in reality, he has been in the Modern World longer than most of you, he was in the original Dra-pol threads with me. He is a fine RPer, in fcat if memory serves, he destroyed his own nation in order to RP a lower population once. I think the terrorits were The Tulip or something.

As for everyone else, I need to see you come onto the board and affirm your bids in the nmext couple of days, if not, it will be assumed that you are inconsistent, and your bid will be struck, with the nation that you claim up for grabs.

Does anyone have any objections or shows of support for anyone on the list?

BTW, Crookfur, the UK has already been recognised as belongin to The British Federation, sorry. I do look forward to another bid, however.

As for the many African nations, they will have to bid serperately, but I hope they get involved, as Africa is such a wonderful region for Rping purposes.
WWJD
Amen./

I would like to say that I am keeping my bid up there, and look forward to RPing in Europe.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Kopparbergs, you have claimed Sweden, approx. population 9 million

POJ, you have claimed Norway, approx. population 5 million

Kopparbergs, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

I am including Kopparbergs bid because in his posts I see nothing of a nOOb in him. I am open to debate on this piont, but I support his bid.
As for everyone else, I need to see you come onto the board and affirm your bids in the nmext couple of days, if not, it will be assumed that you are inconsistent, and your bid will be struck, with the nation that you claim up for grabs.

I don't know if you mixed my post up with another, but I only claim Sweden, not France (that was made by another).

Otherwise, I thank you for your bid, and hope that the others agree to that.

I know Dra-pol's already said this, but I'll say it again...this is not a landgrab rp. Imperialism seems to be the number one crime to most of the MW rper's, and though realistic warfare seems to happen with disturbing regularity, actual Imperialists would probably end like Bonstock...just check out the 'Straits' thread, which is one of the major events taking place in Asia.

This is a very interesting prospect, and therefore I would like to have my nation be part of this effort to make NS more playable and realistic.

The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias consists of:

Bahrain: 700,000
Egypt: 71,200,000
Iraq (excluding Kurdistan): 17,600,000
Jordan: 5,300,000
Kuwait:: 2,300,000
Northern half of Saudi Arabia: 16,000,000

EDIT:
Forgot Qatar: 600,000

Thank you.

Playing a nation almost certain to come into conflict with this country I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I'm quite keen to see United Elias involved. Partly because it would be another step towards getting Sub Saharan Africa in, as UE is involved there, and BG too has some (failing) interests there.
I see a possible clash with the Saudi claim, though. I'm afraid I don't really know anything about Hallad. I don't know if they could work something out, since UE claims only part of the nation, and there are other unclaimed territories on the peninsula.

Playing a nation almost certain to come into conflict with this country I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I'm quite keen to see United Elias involved. Partly because it would be another step towards getting Sub Saharan Africa in, as UE is involved there, and BG too has some (failing) interests there.
I see a possible clash with the Saudi claim, though. I'm afraid I don't really know anything about Hallad. I don't know if they could work something out, since UE claims only part of the nation, and there are other unclaimed territories on the peninsula.

BG, this has been discussed at some length within Sub-Saharan Africa and I expect those nations to follow suit shortly.

I would suggest that maybe you limit your claim to a few of those diverse and politically unweildy nations, but other than that, I would love to have you involved.

I guess my main concern is that you would control much of the worlds oil reserves, and with that much power, it could unbalance the game. But, I would still support your claim if no one else seems to have an objection.

WWJD
Amen.

While I'm at I wish to add the colonies and overseas territories of UE:

Seychelles: 80,000
Diego Garcia: N/A
Gabon: 1,355,000
Brunei: 365,000
St. Helena and Ascension: 7,415
Belize: 273,000

I would suggest that maybe you limit your claim to a few of those diverse and politically unweildy nations, but other than that, I would love to have you involved.

I guess my main concern is that you would control much of the worlds oil reserves, and with that much power, it could unbalance the game. But, I would still support your claim if no one else seems to have an objection.

WWJD
Amen.

I understand that sentiment, but this is how I've played United Elias for nearly two years. I have a very good understanding of the various issues unique to these nations, and the form of government my nation operates under allows for the diversities, somehwere I have a history of my nation which explains how this union came about.

As far as the oil is concerned, I believe it is right that an experienced player such as me have some form of leverage over other nations which are much larger, such as China and America, and given UE's usual reluctance to get involved in major conflicts, UE would provide a rather tricky, powerful nation that would generally manouvre to maintain a strategic balance. I hope that one of the merits of this new system is to decrease the signifiance of massive numbers of troops and focus on the diplomatic and political aspect of nations, and make the military part, more realistic and plausible. Personally I believe my record as an experienced and knowledgeable RPer speaks for itself and I hope that I could significant value to your project.

Far be it from me to question your Rping skills. That was not my intention at all, I have been reading your posts and threads for a long while. I am actually quite excited about your coming on board, and as for oil production, there is still Russia and Canada, which has the largest oil field in the world.

I will happily add you to the bid list.
The Estenlands, you have claimed Ukraine, population approx. 60 million

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Sevaris, you have claimed Germany, population approx. 82.5 million.

Hallad, you have claimed Saudi Arabia, population approx. 26 million

Nikolaos The Great, you have claimed Greec, population approx. 11 million

imported_Lusaka, you have an unspecified claim in Africa

Xeraph, you have cliamed South Africa, approx. population 43 million

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Corsica:????????(I looked up Malta for you, but France claims this)
Population: 260,000
Malta:396,851
Population: 396,851
Total Population-7,821,496

Kopparbergs, you have claimed Sweden, approx. population 9 million

POJ, you have claimed Norway, approx. population 5 million

Kopparbergs, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

United Elias, you have claimed
Bahrain: 700,000
Egypt: 71,200,000
Iraq (excluding Kurdistan): 17,600,000
Jordan: 5,300,000
Kuwait:: 2,300,000
Northern half of Saudi Arabia: 16,000,000
Qatar: 600,000

and also the colonies of
Seychelles: 80,000
Diego Garcia: N/A
Gabon: 1,355,000
Brunei: 365,000
St. Helena and Ascension: 7,415
Belize: 273,000
Total population-115,780,415

Strathdonia, you have claimed Malawi, approx. population 12 million

Lusaka- Most of Tanzania, northern and eastern Zambia (and a tiny part of DR Congo still disputed with AC)
Population around 42million


WWJD
Amen.

Sorry would you mind adding Qatar? I forgot to put it on the list
: 600,000 people. :)

Sorry would you mind adding Qatar? I forgot to put it on the list
: 600,000 people. :)
Already done.
WWJD
Amen.

I I may make a suggestion; perhaps if you have not already done so, you should contact Western Asia to see if he would like to join The Modern World. He is the only person in NS that I have seen who has succesfully RP'ed an Israeli state, and I think you should be careful as who that part of world goes to, for obvious reasons. Anyway its your decision, it was just a thought...

Hi this nation is Crookfur's totally non realted SSA puppet in case you didn't know.

Anyway we occupy the current boudnaries of Malawi in africa and would like to bid for that position in Modern World.

hopefully the rest of SSA wil follow but we'll see.

I have added through editing the last few posts onto the above list.
WWJD
Amen.

The United States of America, 250 million.....

The United States of America, 250 million.....
Read the first post on the first page.
WWJD
Amen.

This is looking good.

Hey, does anyone have a collection of links to previous modern world threads?

I believe I also mentioned several nations (Norway, hint hint) who I would be willing to sell heavily upgraded MiG-21s and MiG-23s to at a very reasonable price, which could easily be negotiated lower in order to secure allies...*hint hint*

Why don't we have a Modern World Events Thread? That way we could just post the link there, and everyone who is in the Modern World would have all the information right there, instead of sifting through all those threads.

I must say this is a really interesting idea, especially as SSA is already working along these lines anyway, which would make our integration much more seamless.

The problem, as Lusaka, Crookfur, and United Elias have correctly pointed out, is that Roycelandia is a rather large Nation (anything from 150-500 million, I've never been able to pin down an exact number) which doesn't actually exist in the Real World. Roycelandia's Climate is Caribbean/Tropical, so I've usually located it around RL Jamaica for geographic purposes, but it would have to be a Jamaica the size of the UK for it to make any realistic sense. The best I've been able to come up thus far is if Roycelandia comprises the RL islands of Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, and Hispaniola (Haiti/Dominican Republic). Ideally, Roycelandia would occupy all the Islands in the Carribbean, but I can understand why this might not be desireable to everyone.

The bigger stumbling block, in my view, is that Roycelandia isn't actually a very "serious" or "Realistic" Nation- it's a pretty oddball kind of place, with an Emperor who wears Pith Helmets and Loud Shirts, an Army dressed like British soldiers from the Zulu War (more or less), a Semi-Auto Version of the Lee-Enfield Mk III as their standard arm, and, of course, a modern version of the Spitfire operating as a Ground Attack aircraft. Imperial Airways fly Sunderland Flying Boats, the Navy use Modern Dreadnoughts, and Futurama is still being made and shown on TV.

In spite of all this, Roycelandia is actually a Modern Tech nation, but as you can see, it's not a realistic one by any stretch of the imagination (which is part of it's charm, at least IMO).

I'm quite happy for SSA to join (including REA), and in fact fully support the idea, but it's a bit difficult to have an Overseas Colony of a Nation That Doesn't Exist.

Just to make things complicated, most of the Roycelandian Empire is also ficticious, with the exceptions of REA and New Guinea. However, in the interests of setting down some actual, RL locations, here's the Roycelandian Empire if it existed in RL:

Roycelandia: Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, and Hispaniola. (Ideally, all the Carribbean Islands) Population: At least 150 million (Needs to be worked out if the Empire joins MW)

Roycelandian East Africa: Kenya, Uganda, The Sudan, Socotra, Mauritius. Population: 112 million (approx)

Roycelandian New Guinea: New Guinea, Population approx 6 million

North Terristan: Kuwait, Population 2.5 million

Glimmer Twins: Attu and Kisaka Islands, (Bering Sea) Population: 30,000

Coral Palm Island: Cape Verde Islands, Population 490,000

In Addition, Roycelandia, United Elias, The African Commonwealth, and Lusaka share control of Gabon, population unknown but presumably about 300-400,000.

Part of the challenge for Roycelandia will be trying to maintain their "Identity" in a more realistic setting, but that's all part of the fun- I have no intention of giving up the humorous posts, as to me, they're the essence of Roycelandia- it's almost a Nation suceeding in spite of itself, in a strange kind of way.

Still, let me know what you think...

Well, it looks like it's going to make sense to lay out the SSA claim, though the details are far from worked-out as yet.

There's a regional map here:

http://groups.msn.com/NSRalishohan/maps.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=66

It is not quite up to date, as Simba is now representing Mozambique, though we've yet to see any serious activity from that nation. The map doesn't extend to show all of Roycelandia's claim in Africa, but I'll list all of the covered nations in the combined regional claim.

Lusaka- Most of Tanzania, northern and eastern Zambia (and a tiny part of DR Congo still disputed with AC)
Population around 42million

African Commonwealth- DR Congo, part of northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi
Population around 72million?

Simba- Mozambique (claim not yet really ratified)
Population around 18million?

Strathdonia (Crookfur)- Malawi
Population around 12million

Al Khals- Remainder of Tanzania
Population around 4million

Roycelandia(n East Africa)- Kenya, Uganda, Sudan
Population around 95+million?

Also- Gabon split between United Elias, Roycelandia, and autonomous Republic backed by Lusaka and AC
Nb. Presently, Angola, western Zambia, and Zimbabwe are none player controlled but using in RP and influenced by above Nation States. These influcences could possibly be given up if active RPers come along and are willing to RP the change of power.

We can't yet vouch for Simba, but we're hopeful, and the rest of us are all long-term active RPers who can probably be relied upon not to just walk off having claimed some land and never show up again.
There are still problems regarding Roycelandia, but we hope that there's not so big a rush that we can't figure something out. I just wanted to get all of our cards on the table, so to speak.
Oh, and Al Khals is fairly oil-rich despite no substantiated reserves there in reality, but we find that it makes for good RP and offers another source of oil not totally dominated by United Elias :)

Pardon me, I certainly dont mean to be rude. But I believe the gentlemen only bidded for Sweden. I was very interested in playing France, and am by no means a newbie. As you will recall from my earlier post, I had planned a restoration France. I would like to maintain my bid for France, and made the claim at the earlier time. Thank you very much for your consideration.

Ooh.
Maybe I should have bothered to say that my UK considers its overseas territories to be still so. It looks like we've a potential dispute on our hands.

United Elias, perhaps we could come to some sort of lease-based understanding on St.Helena and Ascension, and The British Indian Ocean Territory (Diego Garcia, at least)? Of course I say this rather than flatly disputing the claim, because I feel that TBF has more to gain by making a habit of getting along with UE, for some totally mysterious reason or other ;)

Pardon me, I certainly dont mean to be rude. But I believe the gentlemen only bidded for Sweden. I was very interested in playing France, and am by no means a newbie. As you will recall from my earlier post, I had planned a restoration France. I would like to maintain my bid for France, and made the claim at the earlier time. Thank you very much for your consideration.

Guys, while everyone's clamouring over the SSA members, there's Elkazor very politely asking about France, as he was the first & only person to ask about it (Kopparbergs never asked for France, only Sweden).

Personally I like the idea of a revived French monarchy. All I will ask is whether you have any previous RPs for us to look at; if not, then maybe create a thread about your version of France (maybe showing the first days of the restoration, or a typical day for the government, something like that), so we can have a look.

I present to you:

The all-shiny Modern World Events thread!

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377971

(If I missed anyone, post in the thread to let me know; I'll update it as threads emerge)

Yeah, I think Quinntonia just made a clerical error on the France thing, I'm sure it'll be corrected. The excitement gets to him, you know ;)

Guys, while everyone's clamouring over the SSA members, there's Elkazor very politely asking about France, as he was the first & only person to ask about it (Kopparbergs never asked for France, only Sweden).
Right, I only asked if I could RP as Sweden.

I have a question regarding this Modern World, how realistic should you be about the RL nation you play as? Are you only bound to the population size, and then it's up to you to decide the rest?

The reason I asks this is because RL Sweden hasn't been in a war for over 300 years, and really has no invasion navy worth mention. Can I have i.e. an aircraft carrier without godmodeing as long as I keep the size of the navy realistic to the size of the population?

Pardon me, I certainly dont mean to be rude. But I believe the gentlemen only bidded for Sweden. I was very interested in playing France, and am by no means a newbie. As you will recall from my earlier post, I had planned a restoration France. I would like to maintain my bid for France, and made the claim at the earlier time. Thank you very much for your consideration.
I am very sorry, your claim stands, it was just a copy+paste error.

I would ask that you post something to show your Rping style, so that we can see if you can handle yourself. We all seem to think that your idea is great, but you are inexperienced, and we would like top make sure that you will be abl;e to handle such a major nation.
WWJD
Amen.

Lusaka-Just to make sure that these people are actually going top be involved, plaese make individual posts to be put on the bid list.

Kopparbergs, for sure, you are able to make up stuff like history and military, but please keep it as realistic as possible, no tech that is not in use right now, etc.

Roycelandia, I don't think that you are quite getting it, though I have no problem with using less technology and the old style British uniforms is fine, and a little humour is to be expected from some, (see LRR) however, you propose fictional populations and landmasses, including cramming 150 million people into places like Cuba, RL population 10 million. I don't know how you would cram that into the Modern World, and having colonies that large with relativley backwards military technology just doesn't make sense.
But I often get angry when people just critiseze without making positive suggestions, so her it is. What about playing a Colonial British type-nation or nations in africa, maybe that were previously colonies and now are independent, European style-nations.
WWJD
Amen.

The Estenlands, you have claimed Ukraine, population approx. 60 million

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Sevaris, you have claimed Germany, population approx. 82.5 million.

Hallad, you have claimed Saudi Arabia, population approx. 26 million

Nikolaos The Great, you have claimed Greec, population approx. 11 million

imported_Lusaka, you have an unspecified claim in Africa

Xeraph, you have cliamed South Africa, approx. population 43 million

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Corsica:????????(I looked up Malta for you, but France claims this)
Population: 260,000
Malta:396,851
Population: 396,851
Total Population-7,821,496

Kopparbergs, you have claimed Sweden, approx. population 9 million

POJ, you have claimed Norway, approx. population 5 million

Kopparbergs, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

United Elias, you have claimed
Bahrain: 700,000
Egypt: 71,200,000
Iraq (excluding Kurdistan): 17,600,000
Jordan: 5,300,000
Kuwait:: 2,300,000
Northern half of Saudi Arabia: 16,000,000
Qatar: 600,000

and also the colonies of
Seychelles: 80,000
Diego Garcia: N/A
Gabon: 1,355,000
Brunei: 365,000
St. Helena and Ascension: 7,415
Belize: 273,000
Total population-115,780,415

Strathdonia, you have claimed Malawi, approx. population 12 million

Lusaka- Most of Tanzania, northern and eastern Zambia (and a tiny part of DR Congo still disputed with AC)
Population around 42million


This is the entire bid list so far.
Being put on this list does not mean that you are a member of the MODERN WORLD! All it means is that you are up for discussion, you need to have your territory claim not cause any disputes and be supported by a MINUMUM of one current MODERN WORLD member.
On Friday, I will be posting the first list of new members, in the meantime, plaese try and get territorial claims straightened out.
WWJD
Amen.

I think you should have 2 current Modern world people to approve. Cause I can approve all of them right right?

I'll give up Corsica. I don't like it very much any ways.

I think you should have 2 current Modern world people to approve. Cause I can approve all of them right right?
Fair enough, I don't think that is unreasonable, two member nations it is.
WWJD
Amen.

Hello, me again. I wanted to claim France, under the auspices of a Bourbon restoration. Yet you folks ask for an example of my RP, I should be delighted to provide such. FYI, I have decided to RP the event which allows Louis XX to take the throne, thus pragmaticly setting myself up for the modern world campaign. Thanks, and enjoy! PS I still wanna claim France!
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::It was a warm, vibrant and vivid spring day in the gothic city of Rheims. Once again, after centuries of silence, the bells were rung with gusto. Banners bedecked the narrow streets, the blue cloth was illuminated by the sun, and the emblazoned Fluer-de-lis sparkled in the morning. All attention was turned to the magnificent Cathedral, which soared like a prayer in the center of this fairy tale landscape.::

::The impossible had happened, beyond all hope. In a coup d'etat that history would be compelled to record as glorious, the Fifth Republic of France had been overthrown. No one had suspected it. In weeks of fighting, multiple insurgent groups (only now known to be members of the newly reconstitued Royal Army) had swept throughout the countryside. They marched under the banner of Christ, preaching restoration of the Ancien Regime and the Bourbon Kingship. The Army of the Republic had been bushwacked, as it were, caught in total dissaray, on several fronts. The first, and most obvious, was the military front. The Royal Army (composed of elite regiments from across the world-the finest mercenaries money could by, and completely loyal only to Louis XX) had been gathering for years in silence, preparing for the day when Louis XX chose to reclaim his ancestral birthright. He had claimed it. The battle was mainly fought in Paris, where republicanism was strong, and a commune had again formed to resist His Majesty. They failed; for the second front (popular opinion), the one thing the Republicans thought they had, national support, evaporated in the face of the Divine Kingships imminent return. From Strasbourg to Brest to Marseilles, citizens became subjects. Shocking the world, the Vatican supported this reclamation, Pope John Paul III calling it 'an act of God.' When fighting ended, the Republic had been destroyed utterly, its members accepting banishment to covert locations. Versailles was again occupied, massive renovations designed to make the Royal Families move in comfortable were underway. The Estates General was in the process of being reconstituted, and Church lands were given back in full.::

::Slowly, down the bedecked boulevard, came the carriage majestical. Drawn by six white horses it sped down the cobblestone streets, the hoof beats drowned out by the peeling of the bells. Today was the day of coronation, when Louis XX would resume the office that had been so cruelly denied to his ancestors. The carriage pulled in front of Rheims Cathedral, footmen opened its doors. Louis XX, by the Grace of God King of France and Navarre, Defender of the Faith, stepped from the gilded transport. Cameras flashed instantly.::

::Louis XX stood six feet tall. He was dressed in the manner of a king. Upon his head was a powdered wig, he wore a magnificent blue velvet ensemble, and diamond buckeled shoes. His eyes were a deep brown, almost black, and his face was regular and handsome. Slowly he ascended the steps to the open doors of the Cathedral. As he walked in, followed by his wife Maria Therese and their five sons, the organ began to boom, and the choir lifted their voices to God. The doors were then shut, and the hours long ceremony was begun. He then kneeled before the Grand Almoner of France (nephew to Pope John Paul III), only a few days in his office, and the elaborate ceremony began. After this (the coronation) came the enthronement. The King, who had been on his knees the whole time, was raised, and they dressed him in the great royal blue robe, sprinkled with fleurs-de-lis and ending in a long train. Wearing the robe and crown on his head, Charlemagne’s scepter in his right hand and Charlemagne’s hand of justice in his left, he was solemnly led to his great throne, raised very high between four tall columns, visible from everywhere: at the same time the great doors were opened, the people crowded in, birds were set free, all the trumpets rang out, the Te Deum was sung and the enraptured, overwhelmed assembly burst into tears and cries of ‘Long live the king’! ::

::The next morning, all the newspapers in France carried only one, strikingly bold headline- VIVAT REX IN AETERNUM!::

Just out of curiosity, what's happening with Corsica, then? It seems to me that the conflicting claim could be a good tool for future RP interaction, especially in light of the reverse revolution in France. After all, Corsica was at war with France when Napoleon was born there, I'd have thought the monarchist uprising might be a good reason for Corsica breaking away again, and looking to other near by islands for support in fear of invasion from the mainland.

No?

I'll just stop typing.

First of all, I completey support the claim of France.
Second of all, the conflicting claim has been abondoned, it belongs to France.
WWJD
Amen.

Well, I just thought that maybe Ramissile/Bendorel was giving up his part of the claim a little hastily in light of following development of the France picture, which I'm also happy to support. It was just a suggestion that would not really hurt France but could mean a lot to small Bendorel and give both parties a bit of commonality to get them going.
Well, whatever.

For the record, I support most of the claims so far, but know basically nothing about Hallad, Nikolas the Great, and Xeraph, and not much of Kopparbergs. That's not to say that I oppose their claims, just that you can assume I'm pro-the-rest (Est, Lav, SSA, etc) and open to the possibility of the above mentioned, if that makes sense.

I love the new France, BTW (bit of a Francophile here).

Anyhoo, although my support isn't needed by most of them, I'm happy to endorse Elkazor, Lavrageria, Bendorel/Ramissle, Estenlands (kinda academic) and the SSA lot. I've read some of Xeraph's stuff before, I can't see any problems with accepting him. Sevaris is also a good RPer from what I've read.

I'll look at RPs that the other guys have done and probably edit this post when I'm done.

Can i claim Romania, i wouldn't mind playing as a third world.

Can i claim Romania, i wouldn't mind playing as a third world.

Could you show us an example of RP you've been in, or just an example of your RP skills? Maybe a little governmental event or something, just so we can see. Actually, if you do get Romania, you'll have a chance to not be third world; a population of 22 million, and the resource situation seems pretty good there.

Rubberduckistan would like to claim Finland, if possible? (no place your homecountry) Just one question. How the heck I´m supposed to RP claiming the country? I´m open to suggestions, except "send in bazillion troops with gazillion tanks"-type. Real life population of five million or so is fine to me.

Regards
Rubberduck

Send in a bazillion troops from where?
Beth Gellert, for example, actually is the part of India that I claim here... it's not as if BG sent troops from its fictional landmass to conquer India... there is no fictional land mass. Basically, if you choose to become part of the modern world with Rubberduckistan (and if you are accepted), Rubberduckistan would be in Finland and would have around five million people. Whether you played it anything like the real life Finland would be up to you, and we'd generally call it Rubberduckistan, not Finland.
It's not so much that you have to RP claiming it... if you're accepted, you become it, and just start RPing whatever you like (within reason). You can make-up backstory which can either be totally made up or maybe use Finnish history up to a point, and then split off into fantasy.

Thanks for the advice. I´ll use real Finland as a starting point, if accepted, and tone down the Rubberduckistans economic info to match the population.

Roycelandia, I don't think that you are quite getting it, though I have no problem with using less technology and the old style British uniforms is fine, and a little humour is to be expected from some, (see LRR) however, you propose fictional populations and landmasses, including cramming 150 million people into places like Cuba, RL population 10 million. I don't know how you would cram that into the Modern World, and having colonies that large with relativley backwards military technology just doesn't make sense.
But I often get angry when people just critiseze without making positive suggestions, so her it is. What about playing a Colonial British type-nation or nations in africa, maybe that were previously colonies and now are independent, European style-nations.

If you re-read my post, the suggestion was that Roycelandia occupy most of the Islands in the Caribbean- Jamaica, Cuba, Hispaniola, and so on. I'm happy to revise the populations down, but bear in mind Hong Kong had several million people on a very small island, so it's not unreasonable that Roycelandia could support 30-50 million over most of the Carribean islands, admittedly with space at a premium (much like modern day Tokyo)- hence the need for an Empire.

As for the military, it's important to realise Roycelandia's military isn't "Backwards" in the true sense of the word- the Roycelandian troops and equipment LOOK outdated, but they're actually modern designs- the SLLE has a 3-shot burst function, the Jetfire II fighter aircraft is at least as good as the JSF or iF-22 Raptor, the Sunderland Flying Boat is still a viable form of passenger transport around the various Roycelandian Islands, and so on.

Bear in mind most of the Roycelandian Empire was established centuries ago (Roycelandian East Africa was settled in 1495), and the citizens have always been well treated (they have the same rights as Roycelandian Citizens), so, as a result, the military isn't needed to keep the Colonials in line. Most of the REA Colonial Guard are citizens undertaking their Compulsory Military Service, which basically consists of standing around the Lusakan Border with a rifle and bayonet, and making sure the Lusakans don't get too many ideas...

Playing Roycelandian East Africa as independent former colonies isn't really viable, I'm afraid- I could go on all day about why, but I appreciate the suggestion.

Like I said, I'm prepared to be flexible on some things (like Roycelandia's population), but there are certain things that are the essence of Roycelandia (the Emperor, the large Empire, the general offbeat atmosphere of the place, and so on) that can't really be changed without losing the effect.

UE has suggested Roycelandia be located in Australia, which is another option I might be prepared to consider, although I'd really prefer to locate Roycelandia in the Caribbean with a smaller population (Remember, Portugal, and the Netherlands built globe-spanning Empires with populations under 20 million, so it's not unreasonable for Roycelandia to have done the same...)

Again, just my thoughts...

Roycelandia, I don't think that you are quite getting it, though I have no problem with using less technology and the old style British uniforms is fine, and a little humour is to be expected from some, (see LRR) however, you propose fictional populations and landmasses, including cramming 150 million people into places like Cuba, RL population 10 million. I don't know how you would cram that into the Modern World, and having colonies that large with relativley backwards military technology just doesn't make sense.
But I often get angry when people just critiseze without making positive suggestions, so her it is. What about playing a Colonial British type-nation or nations in africa, maybe that were previously colonies and now are independent, European style-nations.

If you re-read my post, the suggestion was that Roycelandia occupy most of the Islands in the Caribbean- Jamaica, Cuba, Hispaniola, and so on. I'm happy to revise the populations down, but bear in mind Hong Kong had several million people on a very small island, so it's not unreasonable that Roycelandia could support 30-50 million over most of the Carribean islands, admittedly with space at a premium (much like modern day Tokyo)- hence the need for an Empire.

As for the military, it's important to realise Roycelandia's military isn't "Backwards" in the true sense of the word- the Roycelandian troops and equipment LOOK outdated, but they're actually modern designs- the SLLE has a 3-shot burst function, the Jetfire II fighter aircraft is at least as good as the JSF or iF-22 Raptor, the Sunderland Flying Boat is still a viable form of passenger transport around the various Roycelandian Islands, and so on.

Bear in mind most of the Roycelandian Empire was established centuries ago (Roycelandian East Africa was settled in 1495), and the citizens have always been well treated (they have the same rights as Roycelandian Citizens), so, as a result, the military isn't needed to keep the Colonials in line. Most of the REA Colonial Guard are citizens undertaking their Compulsory Military Service, which basically consists of standing around the Lusakan Border with a rifle and bayonet, and making sure the Lusakans don't get too many ideas...

Playing Roycelandian East Africa as independent former colonies isn't really viable, I'm afraid- I could go on all day about why, but I appreciate the suggestion.

Like I said, I'm prepared to be flexible on some things (like Roycelandia's population), but there are certain things that are the essence of Roycelandia (the Emperor, the large Empire, the general offbeat atmosphere of the place, and so on) that can't really be changed without losing the effect.

UE has suggested Roycelandia be located in Australia, which is another option I might be prepared to consider, although I'd really prefer to locate Roycelandia in the Caribbean with a smaller population (Remember, Portugal, and the Netherlands built globe-spanning Empires with populations under 20 million, so it's not unreasonable for Roycelandia to have done the same...)

I also notice Kuwait is claimed by United Elias. Since I was hoping to locate North Terristan there, perhaps UE would be interested in having a UE-Roycelandian Condominium of Kuwait? That way we can both share the same territory- otherwise, I'll just relocate North Terristan to somewhere like Georgia (The Former Soviet Republic, not the US State).

Again, just my thoughts...

Country: NEW SPARTAN

I claim SOUTH AFRICA!

Population: 54 million.

Military size: Small, but expanding.

Government type: Democracy*

People: Culturally unique, known as the "Rainbow Nation"

Countries existence: 1700s-

Other: I would like to claim the strip of sea where the two oceans meets. I would like to make that my territory.
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*Democracy until time of crisis, time of major war, and time of serious economical decline. Gov. then changes to dictatorship.

If I am accepted or declined, would you please send me a telegram.
Thnks

Could you show us an example of RP you've been in, or just an example of your RP skills? Maybe a little governmental event or something, just so we can see. Actually, if you do get Romania, you'll have a chance to not be third world; a population of 22 million, and the resource situation seems pretty good there

OCC: I’ll try my best...


IC:
Sergey Hahns looked of the window of his limo as he drove now Victory street, towards the parliament. The streets were cluttered with the poor and hopeless. Begging for some kind of coins which could be used to buy some food or whiskey. In Pantheaa, the homeless were nothing but ghost. Ignored by most of the masses. “Why give my coins to someone else when I need them to buy food?” the people would say.


The limo stop at the red light near an elderly homeless man. Only Hahns Limo and a couple of feet separated the poorest man in Pantheaa, from the wealthiest. The homeless man was wrapped in blankets handed out by the Red Cross workers. He worn a torn up shirt with dirty jeans. While the wealthy celebrated jubilation, this man had a look of depression. His face was dirty and wrinkle. He must at least be over 50 years old one would think. The man was so much different then Hahns, almost foreign looking. Yet him and Hahns were suppose to be countrymen?


The Federalist government had divided the nation so much that their was no longer unity in the air.The enemy of the rich was the poor. The enemy of the Slovakia was the Hungarian. The government would say. It his talk was common in Pantheaa. For as long as the government was working for the stronger side, they would never again have to worry about being overthrown. Current President Mikhail Yerrik saw himself as the father of the people, who clothes, feeds and punish the masses. Not to be questioned or upstage by lesser characters. No wonder people on the outside say “Pantheaa is a Democracy in name only. The worst of the police states.”


Just ten minutes later the limo pulled up to the parliament of Pantheaa. The door was open and Sergey got out. He started to walk toward the massive building that was the Pantheaa Parliament. It was made of fine marble, all of which come from Pantheaa. At 12 stories tall it was the largest most
dominant building in all of downtown Thanos. Massive and huge like the Pantheaa government itself. A massive building for a massive bureaucracy.


Sergey arrived just in time to sit himself in his assigned seat in the House of Sovereign. Which was the upper house of Pantheaa’s legislative body. The senators rose to meet their President as we strolled down to the podium. Throughout his entire ride to downtown Thanos, Sergey wondered why the President had summoned for the Congress. Something big was going down for sure thought Sergey has he watched the President come in followed by his elite security guards. Was President Yerrik resigning after all these glorious years? No it can’t be! . Yerrik was not the kind of person that quits. He was once a general in the army after all. Maybe the President was declaring war on those bastard commies next store. That would be so great! thought Sergey. If that was the case, Sergey would stand on his table and break into a dance. Little did he know it, but the President was here for a little “house cleaning.”



“It seems that some of you think that im an idiot!” shouted President Yerrik from the podium. “I have spies in every nook and granny of this country. I know what you eat , what you drink, what you wear. What you watch on the TV. I even know what brothel house you go to and which one your wife goes too.” says Mikhail with a sneer. The parliament was died silent. “It seems that some of you are plotting to assassinate me. My sources don’t lie, but little pesky senators do. What are my little ant workers trying to do?” continue Mikhail mocking the Parliament, followed by a gasp in the chamber. Sergey began to shake nervously. His palms begin to sweat. Suddenly it felt like he was in an oven. “Helga Straus......Vladmier Marko.” says Mikhail reading off the names of the damned. The accuse were escorted out of the building by security guards. They would probably never be seen again. “Boris Vadim....Mikhail Tudor.” Sergey looked at Boris Vadim, the man who sat next to him all through the years of the young “demcracy.” He had an innocent look on his face as if to say “Im innocent.” He tried to struggle but it was no use. The guards overpowered him and dragged him off to meet his fate. “Layna Dorgan.” God Dammit! When does this list end! thought Sergey. Finally the President got to the last name on the list. Sergey closed his eyes. He said a prayer to the god or to whatever divine power existed. He hoped that he could just be spared this one day. Kill me tomorrow, let me live for today he thought to himself. Finally the President was down to the final conspirator. “Stefan Kristoff.” shouted Mikhail. Sergey could finally breath a sigh a relief. Today wasn’t his last day to live afterall. Maybe it was time to consider leaving Pantheaa. A nice 40 year long vaction to Hawaii perhaps.

Here, where I went bit overboard claiming China. Ok, maybe stupid thing to do, and degenerated into flamefest. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359245&highlight=China

Learned my lesson now. Also the Hijack-RP here.http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352764&highlight=Hijacked

Rubberduck

Sevaris, you have claimed Germany, population approx. 82.5 million.

Hallad, you have claimed Saudi Arabia, population approx. 26 million

Nikolaos The Great, you have claimed Greec, population approx. 11 million

Xeraph, you have cliamed South Africa, approx. population 43 million

Kopparbergs, you have claimed Sweden, approx. population 9 million

Strathdonia, you have claimed Malawi, approx. population 12 million

Lusaka- Most of Tanzania, northern and eastern Zambia (and a tiny part of DR Congo still disputed with AC)
Population around 42million


The following is a list of those whose bids are standing as ratified.

The Estenlands, you have claimed Ukraine, population approx. 60 million

Elkasar, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Population: 260,000
Malta:396,851
Population: 396,851
Total Population-7,821,496

These are the nations that have met the requirements of the bid process, in the latter case more than met, and will be added to the new list of codifies members of the MODERN WORLD within 24 hrs or so.

The following is a list of people that have been supported by one person, and only need one more vote with the mane of the nation that is casting its support.

POJ, you have claimed Norway, approx. population 5 million-Quinntonian Dra-pol

United Elias, you have claimed
Bahrain: 700,000
Egypt: 71,200,000
Iraq (excluding Kurdistan): 17,600,000
Jordan: 5,300,000
Kuwait:: 2,300,000
Northern half of Saudi Arabia: 16,000,000
Qatar: 600,000
and also the colonies of
Seychelles: 80,000
Diego Garcia: N/A
Gabon: 1,355,000
Brunei: 365,000
St. Helena and Ascension: 7,415
Belize: 273,000
Total population-115,780,415
Supported by Beth Gellert


Those that already have re-posted, that is have shown their interest by accepting their bid in the last two days, and have gained the support of one member, have been put on the list of supported bids. Those that made a post, then haven't been heard from, will lose their bids as of Saturday.

I am also going to be contacting those already codified members of the MODERN WORLD that aren't active and ask them if they wish to drop out, putting their claims up for bid.

Those who made it, you will be added to the new list soon, Congrats, welcome to the best RP clique on NS.

AS for the new bids coming in, I will be adding them to the bid list later today.

I also think that we should only keep the bid process open for another little while, then close the MODERN WORLD for awhile while the new members get situated.
WWJD
Amen.

The following is a list of those whose bids are standing as ratified...
Kopparbergs, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million....


Oops, you did it again...

Pantheaa, you have claimed Romania, approx population 22 million

Rubberduckistan, you have claimed Finland, approx. population 5 million

Roycelandia, OK, I am unsure as to the status of your claim, what are you claiming, once and for all?
(keeping in mind the RL populations of these nations)

If I am missing any new bids, please let me know.

THIS IS THE NEW, CODIFIED AND RECIGNISED LIST OF THE MODERN WORLD
Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million-Southern India
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
Wulaishen-Phillipines-86 million
East Islandia-Australia-20 million
The British Federation-United Kingdom-60 million
The Estenlands-Ukraine-60 million
Elkasar-France-61 million
Lavrageria-Belorus-10 million
Bendorel-
Sicily
Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Malta
Population: 396,851
Total Population7,164,645
WWJD
Amen.

I confirm my claim to the above listed territories.

I confirm too. Finland it is. :)

I want to thank you all very much for your kindness, and look eagerly forward to beginning this delightful RP, as the newly restored Kingdom of France.

I expect it will be absolutley enjoyable, and the potential plot developments on everybodys part are thrilling. Please let me know when we shall begin, and where. Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, what's happening with Corsica, then? It seems to me that the conflicting claim could be a good tool for future RP interaction, especially in light of the reverse revolution in France. After all, Corsica was at war with France when Napoleon was born there, I'd have thought the monarchist uprising might be a good reason for Corsica breaking away again, and looking to other near by islands for support in fear of invasion from the mainland.

No?

I'll just stop typing.
Well, I have an idea for an RP with Corsica. But I kinda have to be accepted before I do it.

Well, I have an idea for an RP with Corsica. But I kinda have to be accepted before I do it.
What was your claim, did I miss it?
WWJD
Amen.

Bendorel is my nation for the modern world. Ramissle is my main nation.

Bendorel is my nation for the modern world. Ramissle is my main nation.
Oh, then I need you to look at what I have listed up there for your claim, I am thinking stuff is missing, but I am too lasy to go searching for it, please re-tell your claim, for booking puropses.
WWJD
Amen.

The following is a list of those whose bids are standing as ratified.

The Estenlands, you have claimed Ukraine, population approx. 60 million

Elkasar, you have claimed France, approx. population 61 million.

Lavrageria, you have claimed Belorus, population approx. 10 million.

Bendorel, you have claimed
Sicily Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Population: 260,000
Malta:396,851
Population: 396,851
Total Population-7,821,496


That is what you yourself said. If tahts not what you mean, please specify.

That is what you yourself said. If tahts not what you mean, please specify.
Read that again. I have one thing listed only as population?
Sardinia has no population.
If only those islands that are listed by name are under your claim, that's fine, but I just don't want to finally Codify you into a territory claim that you aren't happy with, because once you are codified, that's it.
WWJD
Amen.

Sicily
Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Malta
Population: 396,851
Fixed it. Yes, that is exactly what I would like. No more, no less.

Fixed it. Yes, that is exactly what I would like. No more, no less.
Very good then, that's all I needed, I am now going to edit my above post to enter you in as Codified, welcome to the MODERN WORLD!
WWJD
Amen.

Roycelandia's Official Claim:

Roycelandia: Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St. Kitts-Nevis Population: 29 million

Roycelandian East Africa: Kenya, Uganda, The Sudan, Socotra, Mauritius. Population: 99.5 million

Roycelandian New Guinea: New Guinea, Population approx 6 million

North Terristan: Turkmenistan, Population 4.8 million

Glimmer Twins: Attu and Kisaka Islands, (Bering Sea) Population: 10,000

Coral Palm Island: Cape Verde Islands, Population 415,000

All the populations were obtained from the CIA factbook, and they seem to be pretty on the ball about that sort of thing...

A short presentation of the Kingdom of Sweden, claimed by Kopparbergs.

The government is left leaning, but not communistic. The head of state is King Carl Gustav XX. As in RL, Sweden is going to be neutral and not part of any kind of military alliances. We do not have nukes or biological/chemical weapons (or other types of WMD’s). A small part of the population is working very hard to restore the old Swedish Kingdom that included Finland, Norway, and Estonia, but at the moment they do not have any kind of support for this in the government.

The defense industry is rather large, we’re exporting canons/robots from Saab-Bofors as well as Sweden’s multi-role airplane JAS-39 Gripen. The funding for the defense is on the rise after many years of cutting back. Many military bases were canceled during the 1990’s, but the situation in the surrounding region has changed and the opinion demands a powerful defense force.

You know, Roycelandia, this is not a land grab RP. If you can roleplay the distinct nations you've claimed, with no unrealistic connection between them, then go for it. But so many areas, spread over such a large region, with no unifying element or force, makes no sense at all. Also, if you looked, New Guinea is currently occupied by Quinntonia/Hudecia in the ongoing stabilization of the former Bonstock republic.

As for Kopparbergs, it sounds like you've got an interesting set up for rp there. Hope you have fun in Europe...

Finland will also be neutral. Main difference in history is that communists did stage coup at 1948, bringing Finland into Warsaw Pact for a while. 1956 uprising, same year as Hungarys, caused short but bloody civil war, after which Finland declared neutrality. Hard-line communists were ousted from power, and multi-party parliamentary democracy restored. This is when Rubberduckistan steps in.

Industries: forestry products, paper, copper, nickel, small arms, artillery systems, vehicles, armored personel carriers, ships.

You know, Roycelandia, this is not a land grab RP. If you can roleplay the distinct nations you've claimed, with no unrealistic connection between them, then go for it. But so many areas, spread over such a large region, with no unifying element or force, makes no sense at all. Also, if you looked, New Guinea is currently occupied by Quinntonia/Hudecia in the ongoing stabilization of the former Bonstock republic.

As Lusaka, UE, and many others can tell you, that really is the Roycelandian Empire- every acquisition properly RPd on the boards somewhere, including New Guinea. (See the Multiverse Rule).

As for the realism thing... look, Britain, Portugal, Spain, France, and The Netherlands all had (and still do, to a very minor extent) Colonies scattered all over the world. There's no reason why Roycelandia can't have the same thing. The unifying Element is the Roycelandians... all those places I've claimed are COLONIES of Roycelandia, not random countries that I feel like claiming for the sheer hell of it.

I should also point out that United Elias has Colonies scattered all over the place and no-one seems to have objected to that yet...

As Lusaka, UE, and many others can tell you, that really is the Roycelandian Empire- every acquisition properly RPd on the boards somewhere, including New Guinea. (See the Multiverse Rule).

As for the realism thing... look, Britain, Portugal, Spain, France, and The Netherlands all had (and still do, to a very minor extent) Colonies scattered all over the world. There's no reason why Roycelandia can't have the same thing. The unifying Element is the Roycelandians... all those places I've claimed are COLONIES of Roycelandia, not random countries that I feel like claiming for the sheer hell of it.

I should also point out that United Elias has Colonies scattered all over the place and no-one seems to have objected to that yet...


I have to say that I still have concerns over this, and I think I have said before that New Guniae is already claimed, both by myself on one half and I think East Islandia on the other, you can't have it, your claim is not valid. As for the rest of the claims, I think we have some over laps there, too(but not sure).
I am going to have to check, but I think you have claimed, British, French and American territories in one fell swoop.

Yes, those nations did have colony empires, but they all collapsed, they just aren't viable in modern times. They all held those areas by force, and had to put up with constant rebellion, think, The American War for Independance, Indian Mutiny, Palestinian Wars, Zulu Uprising, Riel Rebellion in western Canada, man, the wars in the rest of Africa can make a list as long as my arm. Holding colonies became unpopular at home, expensive to govern, and increasingly problematic to keep in line. This, and coupled with the fact that these colonies were kept in line with the power that the invading nations had in the form vastly superior technology, makes your claims make even less sense. In this day and age, anyone can get an AK-47 and a couple of Mortars and Stingers and call themselves an army, and they WILL fight, not might, WILL.

Before I recognise your claim, I am going to check into conflicting land claims, I suggest you do the same, and you may want to decide what colonies and nations must ABSOLUTELY be included in order to make Roycelandia viable.

Have you thought of maybe limiting your colonies to Africa and just claiming maybe, Columbia or something? If you are willing to lose some of your tropical flavour, in return for a Mediterranian flavour, maybe a claim for Portugal or Italy might be in order?

WWJD
Amen.

I have to say that I am still keen to see Roycelandia brought into the MW sphere as without that it would be difficult to incorporate a lot of other good RPers who have much invested in interaction with his nation, but I can see where both parties are coming from, here.

It may help skeptics to know that Roycelandia's empire has not always enjoyed plain sailing, as Roycelandian East Africa used to be a lot bigger- all of Lusaka was part of REA until they fought a war of independence and managed to free half of the territory, presumably embarrasing the Roycelandians rather a lot in the process. I'm not sure, so he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that as a result of that conflict a large displacement of population left the rest of the empire with a lot more ethnic Roycelandians than might be expected (and possibly pushed more subject peoples to flee to Lusaka, but that's just speculation on my part rather than anything I've read).

On the other hand, I wonder, does Roycelandia have so much invested in New Guinea that it couldn't be left in the past? I may very well have missed much, but I don't remember seeing an awful lot go on there. A lot of us have happily given up things to gather a community of decent RPers- ooc I've all but given up intentions of reunifying Korea, which was absolutely sure to happen if I kept playing the old way and kept my giant army and half a million artillery pieces.

As for Roycelandia claiming British, American and other territories already covered... hm, not sure... Cape Verde and the Bahamas have both been independent since the seventies... Turkmenistan I can be less clear about because I don't know LRR history (sorry! :) ) but in reality it has been independent of Moscow since '91, of course. I think we all know that Jamaica, the Sudan, Cuba and so on are in reality not British, American, or Russian territories.

The core point to me is that Roycelandia is, basically, not a [expletive] to play with. I, erm, to be honest, have much bigger issues with the likes of Sino, who, frankly, I am pig [expletive] sick of. I'd rather work out conflicts in order to RP with Roycelandia than absorb hostility and racism in order to look at Sino's pictures-of-Chinese-tanks-p0wning-jo0-for-the-billionth-time any day.

I agree, a compramise needs to be reached, and I want to see Roycelandia involved, almost everyone here has given up something in order to fit into this world and get the damn good RPers that we have. I suggest that we try and figure out a way to get the CULTURE that is Roycelandia, inclding all of its African holdings, into this group. The conflicts seem to about where the original nation is situated and all the other colonies.
Would Roycelandia be willing to accept a single nation in the Carribean or even South America or in the Medeterrainain and all its African holdings as what is "left" of the Roycelandian colonial empire?
That would make me happy, and still give the culture, past RPs and the essential AFrican holdings a chance to mesh together in a fashion with the needs of the MODERN WORLD.
WWJD
amen.

Well, if you're supporting Roycelandia Drapol, then I'm sure he's a good roleplayer. I was just worried this was another 'star empire' or some such claiming another swath of territories in another new alternate universe.

And yes, it is a shame we can't keep down the number of newbie-esque players who seem more interested in killing stuff than roleplaying well.

I would like to add my own personal endorsement of Roycelandia, and given United Elias's current state of affairs, it would be most difficult for us to take part in The Modern World without the involvement of Sub-Saharan Africa, which means that Roycelandia must be included. As has already been mentioned, it would indeed be a shame to turn down known and reputable RPers unless there is an absolute incompability of that nation with The Modern World, and that is not just in terms of Roycelandia but all applicants.

I, and indeed any of the others absolutely do not want to exclude Roycelandia from play, and with all of these ringing endorsements, I am looking forward to playing with him. I hope we can come to some kind of agreement.
WWJD
Amen.

Many apologies for the delay in responding to ratification requirements. I've been on the road since last Monday, and this is the 1st chance to get on-line.airai
I see that I need 2 MW members to endorse me for inclusion to MW.
I was wondering if Drapol and Xinquo (pardon the spelling) would support Xeraph.
I have been RPing for a year now, and have quite a good record of fair play and non-imperialist tendencies.
If there is a different way to aquire ratification, please let me know. I do not know who are members, and who are not.

thanks

Alaric...Emperor of Xeraph

I'm really flattered to see all these endorsements from people! I didn't know I was thought of so highly...

Even though I'm not happy about the loss of New Guinea (there was a pretty big RP involving the British Federation and Red Scandinavia involved), I can be flexible about the location... perhaps we can make it somewhere like Vanuatu or something, giving Roycelandia a Colonial Holding in the Pacific? Failing that, it could be located in Suriname or Guyana...

North Terristan isn't really vital to the Empire- I can let that one go.

Glimmer Twins is reasonably important as it's run as an Arctic Research Base and Refuelling Stop, but the world won't end if it's left out.

Everywhere else I've claimed is "Independent" in RL- I'm still having trouble understanding why it's OK for the US to be run by Religious Fundamentalists, but it's not OK for Roycelandia to have maintained an Empire into the 21st Century.

REA stays as it is- it really is a vital, vital part of the Roycelandian Empire.

As for Roycelandia's actual location- I really don't see what's wrong with claiming the major Caribbean Islands (Cuba, Jamaica, Bahamas, Hispaniola)- they're all "Independent" countries in RL that could easily be part of Roycelandia in MW...

LOL! USA run by religious fundamentalists? That would be far-fetched!

Well, the problem with the Bahamas and Jamaica is that they are part of the British Commonwealth.
REA, I am guessing that's your African holdings, those are the only ones no one is challenging.

OK, so can we compramise like this?
Roycelandia will be Cuba, Haiti and Dominican Republic
Colonies will include everything in Africa
The Glimmer Twins? I can't find them, could you tell me where they are in the Bering?
And is a holding in the Pacific very important? If so, what would you like to claim?
WWJD
Amen.

In Roycelandia's defence; Canada, Australia and India are also part of The British Commonwealth but they have been claimed, I have to say I dont see why its an issue.

In Roycelandia's defence; Canada, Australia and India are also part of The British Commonwealth but they have been claimed, I have to say I dont see why its an issue.
True, however, they enjoy far more autonomy. But, India is not an officail member anymore. Maybe I am just getting bent out of shape for no reason, maybe I am just worried about landing a colonial power 60 miles from my coast, I don't know.
Let's have Roycelandia re-post his final (comparmise) claim, and let it stand as is. I will bow out, with all my concerns, and let the claim stand for ratification, I will evn allow all the support that has been voiced to stand as his two+ and allow him to be codified. I would still like The British Federation to wiegh in here, as he may have an interest in the claim of some of those islands, but no matter.
I just ask that we try and remain sensitive to evrybody concerned here.

Now, what happens to my already ratified and codified claim to Guantamano Bay? I am sure Roycelandia won't want Quinntonian troops on his main island.
I am willing to give up my claim on that base if we can come to some kind of compramise.

WWJD
Amen.

OK, my claim:

Roycelandia: Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St. Kitts-Nevis Population: 29 million.

For the record, Jamaica is the main Island of Roycelanda, not Cuba. As for the military base in Guantanamo Bay, I'm prepared to drop the claim for North Terristan (Turkmenistan) if Quinntonian Dra-Pol gives up his claim to Guantanamo Bay.

Roycelandian East Africa: Kenya, Uganda, The Sudan, Socotra, Mauritius. Population: 99.5 million

Not under dispute, so I don't think any further comment is needed.

Glimmer Twins: Attu and Kiska Islands, (Bering Sea) Population: 10,000

Attu and Kiska Islands are at the very end of the Aleutian Islands Chain, in the Bering Sea. Glimmer Twins isn't a real place, but I've always RPd them as Sub-Arctic Islands, so Attu and Kiska are the most realistic for this.

Coral Palm Island: Cape Verde Islands, Population 415,000

The Cape Verde Islands aren't claimed by anyone, AFAIK. Coral Palm Island has been RPd as being off to the West of Africa (they've been a flying boat refueulling point since the early 1930s, and before that a Maritime resupply point from about 1502.)

Roycelandian New Guinea: Vanuatu, Population 880,000

This gives Roycelandia a Strategic holding in the Pacific (Home of the Roycelandian Pacific Fleet), without adding millions of people to the Empire- it's basically a Naval Base, Flying Boat Resupply Depot, and idyllic tropical paradise all rolled into one! :-)

How does everyone feel about that?

Vanatua? I think we have deal, here. Not quite New Guinea, but still alowinf you access to the Pavific, it's perfect. population 202,609, as CIA factbook.
I still think that The British Federation should be consulted before the Bahamas and Jamaica are included.
I'll drop Guantanamo Bay if you allow TBF to wiegh in and take Turkmenistan off the table and Jamaica and Bahamas as well, if TBF objects.
I really, really want you involved, I just can't shoehorn you in over and above existing claims of already ratified in the MODERN WORLD. It just isn't fair tto the existing players.

Other than that, this stands, is everyone happy with this?
WWJD
Amen.

Seems fine to me. Turkmenistan is off the table.

Obviously Roycelandian New Guinea really isn't an appropriate name for Vanuatu... so it will have to simply be called Vanuatu, or perhaps Roycelandian New Hebrides (since the Hebrides are islands off Scotland, and Roycelandia is a Caribbean Nation, Vanuatu is probably the best choice.)

I don't think TBF will have any objections to Roycelandia having Jamaica and Bahamas for the purposes of this exercise, but if he does (and I'm really hoping he doesn't), I'm sure we can work something out...

Well, to be really honest, I haven't got any claim on those territories. Singapore is part of the Commonwealth of Nations, too. So are most of the claimed parts of Africa, Canada, New Guinea, Malta, and yes, India is still part of the Commonwealth. Even Mozambique, which was never British territory, was allowed to join.

I think that in our new Modern World we'll just have to change what the British Emprie used to be and, hence, what the Commonwealth now is. Beth Gellert has British imperialism involved in its history, so it's safe to assume that the empire did include its crowning piece, and Sri Lanka, too, but we'll have to work out whether BG remained in the Commonwealth after the revolution... to be realistic I'd assume that they were expelled when the local principality was over-thrown.
Strathdonia could be a member if he desires, and Hudecia. I suppose that in theory even Quinntonia could be!

Anyway, the point, I suppose, is that I can't really see justification for challenging Roycelandia on Jamaica et cetera, much as I may like to :) If I did, he'd be justified in pointing out that I should be challenging almost everybody, because, lets face it, relatively few nations on earth have a history free of losing a fight to the British. Even... Belize used to be British Honduras, and then there's Hong Kong.

I would be interested in the possibility of some common history with Roycelandia, but it's not exactly vital. I did wonder whether the Roycelandian nation was an early break-away from the British civilisation, but judging by the extremely early date of Roycelandia's initial imperialism in Africa, it looks like we may just have to assume that there were two Anglo-Saxon-type empires building at the same time.

If I were to contest any claims (and I may) it would be United Elias' claims on part of the BIOT and St.Helena et cetera. Hopefully we might work out some sort of lease agreement or shared sovereignty that will actually make allies of us rather than enemies (because I don't want to alienate the MW's primary source of oil :) ).

Al Jumhuriyah Al Khals Dimuqratiyah is one of the missing parts of the Sub Saharan African region. With a population of around four million, Al Khals represents just the small part of Tanzania not covered by the United African Republic of Lusaka.

Al Khals has significant oil reserves nowhere near comparable to those commanded by United Elias, but none the less enough to give a small nation such as ours a powerful economy, and hopefully worth the trouble for bigger nations to court our favour with shiny things.
It is called a Democratic Republic, but President Qottar has ruled since the early eighties, Prime Ministers tending to last for about as long as they toe his line.
Well, you get the idea.

As TBF says, Roycelandia developed a taste for Imperialism pretty early on... by 1495 Roycelandian Traders were established in what is now Dar-Es-Salaam, the Cape Verde Islands were firmly Roycelandian by 1502, and I've made vague references to a much larger Empire that was lost over the years by Emperors who really weren't all that interested in the business of Empire building- this could include any number of places throughout the world, perhaps a couple of Caucasus Republics, perhaps somewhere like Guyana, various Pacific Islands (Vanuatu being the only one left now), probably an enclave on the Chinese Coast, an enclave in India/Burma (somewhere like Cox's Bazaar), a Trading Post in Japan during the Sengoku Jidai and up to the 1860s, and so on.

In other words, I don't think Roycelandia is an early breakaway from British Civilisation, but it's quite possible that something like this did happen in the time of the Roman Empire or something- Roycelandia does speak English, after all, which is another staggering coincidence...

Perhaps we could assume that TBF and Roycelandia were aware of each other's existence, much like the Romans and the Han Chinese traded with each other? Quite how Anglo-Saxons ended up in the Caribbean in pre-history is anyone's guess (They just did, OK? :) ), but hey, the important thing is that Roycelandia managed to establish (and hold onto!) a rather large Empire, unlike most of the other Imperialist Powers of the time.

The fact that Roycelandian Uniforms and Weapons closely follow that of the British Army is one of the more staggering cosmic mysteries, since contemporary documents confirm that, in some cases, Roycelandia actually developed certain guns BEFORE the British did- the Martini-Henry rifle was adopted for service in Roycelandia in 1865, and the Lee-Enfield Mk I was adopted in 1885.

Quite when the Red Coat was adopted is lost in the mysteries of time, but it is known that the Imperial Guard were wearing Cuirassiers (Metal breastplates) from 1532, painted Red.

I think I'm going to have to sit down and write The Comprehensive History of Roycelandia sometime soon, before I start contradicting myself... :D

I'd also like to endorse Al Khals for Membership... Perhaps United Elias, Roycelandia, Quinntonia, and Al Khals need to form an MW OPEC (Organistion of Petroleum Exporting Countries)?

I'm going to go ahead and endorse Xeraph and Pantheaa for membership; both appear to be decent RPers. Roycelandia would also be a welcome addition.

This is working out pretty well so far...

OOC:

Roycelandia: Well there are records of scottish fleets roaming the eastern seabaord of north america as early as the 11th century and the vikings were quite possibly regular visitors long before that.

As for a break away point any time between the roman and crusade eras would be perfectly beliveable (well crookfur is a mix of viking and crusade era settlement).

as to your backwards seeming tech, in certain areas it has it's advantages, in the open plains of africa a big round like .303 is more useful than 5.56mm and a modernised spitfire would amke a decent low cost COIN and training aircraft which since you aren't exactly planning on fighting WW3 would be logical choice of priamry aircraft.

OOC: Without wishing to sidetrack this thread, Crookfur has pretty much hit the nail on the head regarding Roycelandia's reluctance to "modernise".

A .303 is much more use somewhere like Africa, a modern Spitfire is incredibly useful against the sort of people Roycelandia fights (ie Arab Raiders and the Lusakans ;) ), and since Roycelandia is a wealthy Nation, Imperialism is still viable (and a vital means of survival!)...

I have recently sort of got bored of Russia. Would it be possible for me to trade it in for a portion of non-Beth Gellert India? I would very much like to do so...

*Gets Nehru shirts and Sitar ensemble ready, searches for suitable Bungalow*

Mabye a bit encompassing West Bengal, Bihar, and portions of Orissa and Madhya Pradesh?

I must admit, I just do not like Russia any more. Mabye someone else would like it better. I don't think I RP a very convincing Russia either.

Well, my reckoning has Orissa in Beth Gellert, but Jharkhand is right there between West Bengal and Bihar. Unless, of course, I'm using an out of date map and they shook-up all of the states again. They do that.

I don't really have a problem with the possibility of a new neighbour. I think you're right to imply that LRR isn't realllly a... classic Russia, as such. This way I suppose one might say that the hippie trail took root, hehe.

Bihar and West Bengal both have over 80million people... you're just after a bigger population, aren't you? ;) Jharhkand has a whole mess of coal, copper, iron, and other resources, so if you take that you'd better damn well be friendly to BG, or we're going to have to liberate the earth from under you!

(I'll try not to admit to wanting to spoil LRR's ATGW fun with our armour tactics and just accept that it'd probably be good for BG trade, to be honest. You have a kinda vaguely communistic economy, right?)

I think that it would be best to move sooner rather than later, if you're going to. I'd say that you should work out a realistic ancient history to account for it all, and would be happy to co-operate on working it out, but must add that there's a lot of displaced Indians already, racially, I mean, because of BG's Celtic invasion from Galatia, two thousand years ago. If LRR has a lot of none-Indians after any move, it will create a lot of questions about where they all went.

Sorry, I am drunk, yes.

Erm, hi.

OK, first things first. I have precisely zero RPing experience. Partly this is because I'm a very new nation, partly this is for the reasons that this whole project was begun, I was daunted by the complexity and imbalance of RPing with NationStates nations.

I've been following this project with great interest since its inception, however. The Malaccan Straits incident was particularly interesting and showed, to me, why this is a great idea. It had a level of accessibility and realism lacking in most of the other RPs.

Anyway, enough sucking up. I don't propose to jump in and start n00king j00z all, partly because I accept my limitations and partly because, TBH, war RPs are not what I'm really interested in. Diplomacy and politics are my primary interests.

With this in mind I'd be interesting in RPing a wholly neutral Switzerland. My rationale is that Switzerland could then be used as a standard location for peace conferences and other international shindigs. From what I've seen it might, depending on how you all see it, be useful to have a wholly neutral locale to bypass potential conflicts of interest from those thinking of attending.

I'd limit myself to RPing the diplomatic formalities and, maybe, chairing the conferences. To make things a little more interesting, though, if allowed to I'd RP a Switzerland which has been taken over by the large business interests and which is run like a corporation.

I've just finished working on an introduction to the Switzerland I'm proposing that I could post if you're interested. If not, well, thanks for your time anyway.

I'd support your claim Stripe-lovers, as you seem concerned with good rp. I'm fairly sure Switzerland hasn't been taken yet...I think Quinntonia made a chart of claims a few pages back.

That's also a very good idea...perhaps we can have a world conference, if only to detail who is where and give a little national background.

OOC: OK, going to bed. Since my initial proposal hasn't met any serious resistance, here's a brief introduction to my Switzerland, or as it would be known SwissCorp, PLC. Oh, and just to let everyone know I'm not a rabid Ayn Rand hugging libertarian capitalist in RL.

IC:
Chief Executive Office Heinrich Weber watched the plane touch down and begin its taxi with mixed feelings. Whilst it was of course good for SwissCorp's revenue to have another high profile peace conference he couldn't help but wish that cleaning up other peoples' messes wasn't such a full time job. In his more reflective moods he couldn't help but wonder why no other nations had followed the Corporation's enlightened reforms. As his mind wandered back to the forming of the Corporation a thought briefly flashed across his mind that this was almost like a badly shoehorned-in device to provide exposition. He quickly dismissed it, however.

In retrospect it had been inevitable that Switzerland would eventually collapse under the weight of its own contradictions. The mixture of an economy dependent on large multi-national corporations and finance institutions and a high level of direct democracy was a powder-keg awaiting a spark. The spark, as it turned out, was a series of scandals involving banks hoarding funds from the victims of genocide, a certain multi-national selling rejected milk powder that was known to cause birth defects in the third world, finance institutions willingly funding brutal dictatorships and a batch of watches being show to be out by half a second a day. A series of referenda were proposed, and then passed, which placed government overseers on the boards of all large companies, forced corporations to hire at least three separate auditors, created a government standards agency which all manufacturers had to comply with for all products and all markets and produced a list of countries that were not to be traded with in any way under the current regimes. Swiss companies rapidly went from being economic powerhouses to the humiliation of being undercut by the French.

A backlash was as inevitable as the crisis had been. After much machination on the part of a powerful group of senior executives of all the major corporations a new system was unveiled. [ooc: I have the way this was achieved mapped out but it's complicated, so to save space I'll unveil it later if necessary] The outdated notion of voters and citizens was scrapped, in its place all those born in or permanently residing in what was formerly known as Switzerland became shareholders in SwissCorp, PLC. The number of shares was set at 18 times the population of the nation and every "citizen" was granted 10 non-transferable shares on birth or immigration with the rest being freely floated on the SWX. The IPO was the most successful in financial history and netted the government profits even the most ardent Thatcherite privatiser could only dream of.

The reason the shares were so in demand was the voting rights that went along with them. As in any corporation shareholders were entitled to elect members of the board of directors, which acted in much the same way as a republican government. The Chairman of the board was in effect a ceremonial president; the CEO, the Prime Minister; the Chief Financial Officer, the Finance Minister; the Director of Human Resources, the Internal Affairs Minister; the Director of Public Relations the Foreign Minister and so on. Thus the machinery and accountability of government was maintained but the petty party politics and slip-shod ideology of other "democratic" nations avoided. The bottom line became everything, keep SwissCorp profitable, keep your job.

The ludicrous howling and wailing of unwashed hippies, socialists and other unemployables was quickly proved wrong. "But what about social welfare?" they were heard to whimper. Schools remained funded by the Corporation, no business organisation in its right mind would expect its employees to pay for vital training. Health care was available to those who could afford it and for those who couldn't there were Corporation sponsored insurance and loan schemes at highly competitive rates. Those who were regrettably downsized would have the dividends generated by the removal of their obsolete jobs to console themselves with. [ooc: again, I have more details on the exact way the govt is funded but will leave them out for space reasons]

As for foreign affairs, the Corporation's neutrality, a tradition predating the IPO, had become the cornerstone of the board's worldview. A few military contractors had tried to sway matters but were comprehensively outmanoeuvred by those corporations with an interest in uninhibited trade. It also proved popular with most blue-collars, for what that's worth. Furthermore, research by the Department of Public Relations had shown that the branding potential of a successful peace conference was invaluable. Oslo had seen tourism and FDI spike sharply after the Oslo Accord. Of course, the slump that followed the Accord's failure testified to the need to have a skilled team at hand to help craft the sturdiest deal possible. Thus huge numbers of inter-cultural marketing executives were drafted in to the Department to allow for the smoothest possible conferences. The result had been...

Weber was jolted out of his strangely detailed train of thought by an elbow in the ribs from Michelle Porteaux, his Director of Public Relations. The plane had arrived. They walked briskly ahead to meet the delegation.

"Good morning Mr President, I'm so glad you could make it. I trust you enjoyed your flight? We will be only too glad to offer whatever assistance is necessary to help resolve this unfortunate incident. We hope that a solution can be found that will help ensure lasting profits, I mean peace..."

OOC: the world conference idea is a very interesting one, NY. I'd try to set one up if approved, as long as no-one had any major complaints.

Eh, I was wondering If I could take part in this. I realize that my "newb" status may hinder things, but I do have some good RP's written. I'll claim a few nations, most of Eastern Europe, but keep in mind that they are at best, all very small, second world nations. If I'm allowed in, I plan to have them at the status they are in the real world-poor nations trying to recover from earlier Communist reign, but struggling with massive corruption, and ripe for overthrow by either fascists, organized crime, (Russian, Ukrainian, or Polish) or those who wish to restore Communism.
Poland: Population: 38,622,660 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $9662.72 per person
Armed forces personnel: 217,000
Slovakia:Population: 5,430,033 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $12401.39 per person
Armed forces personnel: 39,000
Czech Republic:Population: 10,249,216 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $15328.00 per person
Armed forces personnel: 58,000
Hungary: Population: 10,045,407 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $13339.42 per person
Armed forces personnel: 44,000
Romania:Population: 22,271,839 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $7601.52 per person
Armed forces personnel: 207,000
Bulgaria:Population: 7,537,929 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $6530.97 per person
Armed forces personnel: 80,000
1st for Military - Forces in Europe - Artillery (per capita)
1st for Military - Forces in Europe - Battle Tanks (per capita)
Lithuania:Population: 3,592,561 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $8372.85 per person
Armed forces personnel: 13,000
Latvia: Population: 2,348,784 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $8936.53 per person
Armed forces personnel: 5,000
Estonia:Population: 1,408,556 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $11018.37 per person
Armed forces personnel: 5,000

Well, my reckoning has Orissa in Beth Gellert, but Jharkhand is right there between West Bengal and Bihar. Unless, of course, I'm using an out of date map and they shook-up all of the states again. They do that.

I don't really have a problem with the possibility of a new neighbour. I think you're right to imply that LRR isn't realllly a... classic Russia, as such. This way I suppose one might say that the hippie trail took root, hehe.

Bihar and West Bengal both have over 80million people... you're just after a bigger population, aren't you? ;) Jharhkand has a whole mess of coal, copper, iron, and other resources, so if you take that you'd better damn well be friendly to BG, or we're going to have to liberate the earth from under you!

(I'll try not to admit to wanting to spoil LRR's ATGW fun with our armour tactics and just accept that it'd probably be good for BG trade, to be honest. You have a kinda vaguely communistic economy, right?)

I think that it would be best to move sooner rather than later, if you're going to. I'd say that you should work out a realistic ancient history to account for it all, and would be happy to co-operate on working it out, but must add that there's a lot of displaced Indians already, racially, I mean, because of BG's Celtic invasion from Galatia, two thousand years ago. If LRR has a lot of none-Indians after any move, it will create a lot of questions about where they all went.

Sorry, I am drunk, yes.


Well, I am not after a bigger population as much as I am after a safe place to do LRR things (like play Reggae music).

I also like India a lot more than Russia. More interesting place, mostly. I didn' want to have to spend ooodles of money on the military when it could be better spent on certain opiates and Sitar strings.

Yeah, I would imagine that LRR-Northern India would be predominantly indian, with a smattering of displaced European, African, and other Asian minorities attracted by the tolerant and inclusive society.

And of course, all my natural resources would be shared with the neighbour to the south.

I think we might be able to set up something similar to the Lyong Treaty Organization in India.

I'm seeing the introduction of new terms, like, "Indian Democracy" to distinguish sub-continental direct democracy from... everybody else's false representative democracy.

Plus, if China goes off on one, you get hit first ;)

Stripe-lovers seems to have something worthwhile to contribute towards A Modern World, I think.

I'm not sure as yet about the Cheese. I know nothing of the player. On the one hand, such a claim as the one put doesn't entail an unprecedented population figure, but I can't help feeling that it might limit the potential for further players to join. I mean, Eastern Europe is sure to be a popular, location, as we're already seeing, and if all of the nations are accounted for by one state... I dunno.

I'm seeing the introduction of new terms, like, "Indian Democracy" to distinguish sub-continental direct democracy from... everybody else's false representative democracy.

Plus, if China goes off on one, you get hit first ;)

Stripe-lovers seems to have something worthwhile to contribute towards A Modern World, I think.

I'm not sure as yet about the Cheese. I know nothing of the player. On the one hand, such a claim as the one put doesn't entail an unprecedented population figure, but I can't help feeling that it might limit the potential for further players to join. I mean, Eastern Europe is sure to be a popular, location, as we're already seeing, and if all of the nations are accounted for by one state... I dunno.


Well, I would see an LRR/BG/perhaps someone else India as an effective counterweight against Sino in the region. After all, all of us must have more brain than none of us.

Yes, I can see it now! All the universities will be boasting lecturers on the new 'Indian Democracy.' I think this will be pretty neat.

I'm not sure as yet about the Cheese. I know nothing of the player. On the one hand, such a claim as the one put doesn't entail an unprecedented population figure, but I can't help feeling that it might limit the potential for further players to join. I mean, Eastern Europe is sure to be a popular, location, as we're already seeing, and if all of the nations are accounted for by one state... I dunno.
Yeah, but I claimed all of the extremely obscure and tiny nations of Eastern Europe, except possibly for Poland. If anyone wants a part of them, I'd be willing to talk to them. And besides, didn't one guy claim the entire Middle East? I'm sure my claim is nothing compared to that. It's just that I like RP'ing Eastern Europe because I have Polish parents, and go there often. I've travelled all around the Eastern European area, and am fairly in tune with the political sentiment there. As for RP experience, I don't really have a particularly good one to point to, but I do have some other written works that might be proof of my abilities. Answer back if you wish to see them or not.

I think we might as well give AC a chance. Its true that people have claimed larger dominions, and he says he has a knowledge of the area and culture.

I'm kind of impartial on this, bordering Russia and all, but can we try to find a new Russia...it plays a large influence in the original MW pacific.

Also, we haven't heard from Kanendru or Oshima and Izu in awhile. Are they still involved?

OK, I may be grotesquely overstepping my bounds here but might it not kill two birds with one stone if AC RPed Russia?

Well, I am not after a bigger population as much as I am after a safe place to do LRR things (like play Reggae music).

I also like India a lot more than Russia. More interesting place, mostly. I didn' want to have to spend ooodles of money on the military when it could be better spent on certain opiates and Sitar strings.

Yeah, I would imagine that LRR-Northern India would be predominantly indian, with a smattering of displaced European, African, and other Asian minorities attracted by the tolerant and inclusive society.

And of course, all my natural resources would be shared with the neighbour to the south.

I think we might be able to set up something similar to the Lyong Treaty Organization in India.

You'll also be a lot closer to the Marimaian sprawl...

We happen to possess certain plantations of certain types that LRR might be interested in; maybe we could work something out.

OK, I may be grotesquely overstepping my bounds here but might it not kill two birds with one stone if AC RPed Russia?

I have to admit, it would solve the problem. AC's plans for Eastern Europe would be highly appropriate for Russia as well; plus he seems like the type to concentrate more on RP and less on war.

While I'm here, I'd like to endorse Stripe-lovers; SwissCorp is a good idea, it should provide some interesting situations.

Yeah, I don't really have any concrete objections to recent proposals.

I don't know about Kanendru and O&I. Kanendru was active... perhaps he'll still re-appear, but I don't know. Did O&I ever get involved? They seem to be sat in Europe, at the moment. Sangun seems to be on the way to deletion for inactivity.

Well, that's me (Belarus) surrounded.

[looks worried]

Hi all

Many apologies for my long absence- problems with work...
Anyway I should be around more these days (provided of course I'm still welcome)

OK, I may be grotesquely overstepping my bounds here but might it not kill two birds with one stone if AC RPed Russia?


I absolutley have huge concerns about suddenly having a nation of that size suddenly appearing. I suggest that if LRR wants to leave Russia, we should let him, and AC would be able to take over Russai, that would add realism, seeing as how half of the nations cliamed are the arch-nemesis of the other half, with major geneocide and ethnic cleansing going on throughout.
WWJD
Amen.

THIS IS THE NEW, CODIFIED AND RECIGNISED LIST OF THE MODERN WORLD
Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million-Southern India
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
Wulaishen-Phillipines-86 million
East Islandia-Australia-20 million
The British Federation-United Kingdom-60 million
The Estenlands-Ukraine-60 million
Elkasar-France-61 million
Lavrageria-Belorus-10 million
Bendorel-
Sicily
Population: 5,087,794
Sardinia
Population: 1,680,000
Malta
Population: 396,851
Total Population7,164,645

Roycelandia: Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St. Kitts-Nevis Population: 29 million.
Roycelandian East Africa: Kenya, Uganda, The Sudan, Socotra, Mauritius. Population: 99.5 million
Glimmer Twins: Attu and Kiska Islands, (Bering Sea) Population: 10,000
Coral Palm Island: Cape Verde Islands, Population 415,000
Roycelandian New Guinea: Vanuatu, Population 880,000


This is the new list of the MODERN WORLD!!
This thread is far too complicated, so, I am just going to ask that someone who is not knee-deep in finals gets together a list of claims and where they are in ratification. As for right now, NO CLAIMS ARE RECOGNISED! I NEED A SIMPLE LIST OF CLIAMS SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROGH THEM, AND I CAN'T DO IT ALONE!!! PLEASE HELP ME!!! I hate studying Art History, whaddya mean, 500 images memorised for the final!!! AAAARGH!
WWJD
Amen.

You missed me out on the list! I hope not intentionally? ;)

Maybe I'll edit my first post, the second in the thread, to keep us more up-to-date, or something.

500 images? Oh, what fun! You'd need some kind of... some kind of atomic super monkey to cope with that!

I'm putting together a post with, "as I see it right now..." as the operative phrase. UE will be there, though not without territorial disputes re. The British Federation/UK overseas territories.

Maybe I'll edit my first post, the second in the thread, to keep us more up-to-date, or something.

500 images? Oh, what fun! You'd need some kind of... some kind of atomic super monkey to cope with that!

I'm putting together a post with, "as I see it right now..." as the operative phrase. UE will be there, though not without territorial disputes re. The British Federation/UK overseas territories.

BF and I will resolve those issues without difficulty, I certainly don't think its a deal-breaker for either of us.

United Elias, I must ask you to check your telegrams please! I don't know how else to contact you so I must ask you here, sorry.

All right, I've included some things, and crap in my post on the first page. Have a look and then say something useful.

Yes! I have Switzerland! Do you fools not realise what you have done? With my precision watch-making monopoly I will conquer you all!!! Erm, somehow.

*Cough* Sorry, sleep depravation talking. OK, I'm going to bed now, I'll work on a factbook tomorrow hopefully. Dra-Pol, as far as I can tell the list is complete, though like I said, sleep depravation.

Oh almost forgot, I'll be setting up a puppet called SwissCorp to RP with from now on. I mean, seriously, what sort of name is Stripe-lovers?

Edit: Hmm, not sure that would actually qualify as "useful". Well, maybe the part about SwissCorp being the new name. I did look carefully for omissions but as far as I can tell absolutely everything is there. Impressively enough.

Hehe, well, I was only half serious.
G'night to you.

Actually, that does make me think of at least mentioning that, since listed populations and all their inherent power -or lack there of- are no longer important, anyone whose nation does not quite have the name they might prefer to play under in this realistic environment can easily make a new account without worrying about having only five million people.

Not that it's a requirement to have a specific sort of name, I just thought I'd say that since Stripe/SwissCorp pointed out the notion.

Time for more tea.

I absolutley have huge concerns about suddenly having a nation of that size suddenly appearing. I suggest that if LRR wants to leave Russia, we should let him, and AC would be able to take over Russai, that would add realism, seeing as how half of the nations cliamed are the arch-nemesis of the other half, with major geneocide and ethnic cleansing going on throughout.
WWJD
Amen.

I have no objections to AC taking over Russia for me. I sort of got lonely out there, with those insane Estenlandians breathing down my neck. Being part of India, I will also undoubtedly have some notable ties to The British Federation, and have improved access to Africa and the rest of Asia.

I would figure that i have a population close to 250 million people, more or less, with West Bengal, Bihar, and some other states.

Well, according to the 2001 census reports I'm reading, West Bengal had just over 80million people, Bihar nearly 83million, Jharkhand, which is between them and on the BG border, had almost 27million. Border states would be little Sikkim with half a million, Uttar Pradesh sticking way out north-west with a massive 166million, and Assam attached by a small border with West Bengal, with over 26million people. Over all population growth has been, I think, one or two percent per year in India, but one would assume that it might be a little slower in developed nations like LRR and BG.

I'm not unreasonably keen to see LRR's home territory moved next to BG's while the vague prospect of LRR meddling in Korean reunification lingers on, what are you talking about?

Lyong, on th other hand, is terrified... without our local Hendrix-loving neighbours, the Xiannese may well eat us alive!

... or, rather, glory to the SSRC! Stand together, my brethren! Defend me... err, OUR revolutionary ideals! yeah...

Well, according to the 2001 census reports I'm reading, West Bengal had just over 80million people, Bihar nearly 83million, Jharkhand, which is between them and on the BG border, had almost 27million. Border states would be little Sikkim with half a million, Uttar Pradesh sticking way out north-west with a massive 166million, and Assam attached by a small border with West Bengal, with over 26million people. Over all population growth has been, I think, one or two percent per year in India, but one would assume that it might be a little slower in developed nations like LRR and BG.

I'm not unreasonably keen to see LRR's home territory moved next to BG's while the vague prospect of LRR meddling in Korean reunification lingers on, what are you talking about?

I don't think I'll be claiming Uttar Pradesh. That would give me a very unwanted border with Sino.

By the way, where do you get your statistics? I need something specific with regional populations...

And of course, this means that LRR will become more friendly to a certain nation that starts with a D. While said nation will probably be reprimanded and such when that nation steps 'out of line,' that nation will have the support of LRR-India for reunification, albeit not necessarily this instant, and not militarily.

As for Lyong...well, hopefully your supply of Siberian oil will not be cut off. Say, would any of you Lyong nations object to being given the parts of Russia east of the Aldan and Amur rivers? I think that would give you a fair resource base and population boost to be able to stave off any hostile invaders. And don't think I'll leave you to fend for yourselves either. With a good portion of natural resources in Jharkand, I'll be more than happy to share with my friends in the good old Revolutionary Co-Prosperity Sphere.

That and weapons research. I'll be sure to keep Spyr and company informed of various advances in interested fields, perhaps some production liscences for a new light fighter...

Ah, well, the one I was using doesn't seem to... exist, anymore, but that's what google's cache is for, so far as I'm concerned :)

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:ZoBajPP0tjoJ:cyberjournalist.org.in/census/cenindia.html+bihar+india+state+population&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

And it took me unreasonably long to find it, indicating that I may be less sober than previously believed, but here's BG's map of India thus far. Of course it doesn't show Bangladesh, which should be between West Bengal and Tripuar/Meghalaya et cetera.
Looks like you'd get a decent population out of Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal, and potentially some of those little ones east... though they would entail bordering Sino, but would also give you a border with the Marimaian protectorate, interestingly enough.
Meh, whatever. Even with one or two states you're going to remain bigger than Dra-pol :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ind-map-3.jpg

Back after all this confusion in RL. Rubberduckistan is in, with the claim to Finland. I´ll use 5 million pop, and Finland-name, not Rubberduckistan.

I can't really support chopping up all these pieces of Russia, either, if you are going to give up Russia, I don't think it is fair to anyone who wants to take it over from you to suddenly realise that you have given away land in the south to Pakistan and precious oil reserves to Lyong. If that is going to happen, it should be up to the new owners.
WWJD
Amen.

Al-Ahzad here, getting my stuff together as a new nation. I'm laying claim to the nations of Yemen and Oman. If anybody else has objections, just, you know- TG me or post.

A quick question- does a world map exist?

Well, most people here seem to support having me take over Russia, so I might as well take it. Should I just handle the reigns, or should I RP it? Also, if I was to take Russia, I'll give up most of my Eastern European claims, with the exception of Poland. (Sentimental value.) Also, how do I get involved in this whole "Modern World" thing? Do i just start RPing after my claim is confirmed, or do I go through some sort of "initiation" process?

Oh, and If I'm going to be in charge of Russia, I'd like to be in charge of the entire country. I don't want to start off automatically as a carved up state.

Wow.. this has certainly drawn a fair bit of interest.. I hope it translates into actual RPs. =P

Oh, and If I'm going to be in charge of Russia, I'd like to be in charge of the entire country. I don't want to start off automatically as a carved up state.

It was just an idea of LRR's...actually, Russia is already carved up, ever so slightly. You see LRR, the former Russia, allowed Lyong Peninsula - an imaginary peninsula north of Korea - to claim an area around Vladivostok...which now corresponds to Spyran Gochu, Tagan province. LRR's idea that he just proposed seemed to be the Lyong Treaty taking additional lands in Eastern Russia, extending the area already allotted to Lyong.

So, Russia isn't complete in the East. However, Lyong has enjoyed Russian-Peninsular peace, and hopefully we will continue to work together.

Just for general information...Lyong Peninsula includes the Strainist revolutionary nation of Spyr, which is the biggest nation of the Lyong Treaty, a treaty including its Strainist neighbour North Yaman and the christian Kingdom of Tord. There's a map somewhere, but I don't have the link on this puter.

Ok, this is my official statement of RP claim to northeastern India.

States:

Bihar
population: 82,878,796

Jharkhand
population: 26,909,428

West Bengal
population: 80,221,171

Sikkim
population: 540,493

Assam
population: 26,638,407

Manipur
population: 2,388,634

Mizoram
population: 891,058

Total: 220,000,000 people (200,000,000 for the records)

Can someone just explain as to how this process works? Do I jsut start RPing? Also, should I roleplay as "Russia", or as "Armandian Cheese", just with the land and population of Russia.

[QUOTE=North Yaman]It was just an idea of LRR's...actually, Russia is already carved up, ever so slightly. QUOTE]
Hmmm...I believe I might have a good idea for an RP already...

Hmmm...I believe I might have a good idea for an RP already...

You can play with the name "Russia" if you wish...or "AC"...I don't think anyone really minds either way. However, understand that though your population stats are much more set, your account affects your rp. If your economy is 'imploded' then you probably don't have an extremely strong industrial base. Basically, you have to work your account, you can't just arbitrarily decide you have the most social equality, smartest citizens and healthiest natural environment.

You, and really all new comers to the MW, should be told of the Asian situation, it being the original area of a MW. Xiaguo, the north of the Four Chinas, is in a state of civil war between Royalists and Rebels. Sino, the middle of the Four chinas, is invading the last bastation of the Bonstockian Federal Republic. Marimaia is stabilizing the Malaysian peninsula, Spyr has introduced Strainism to Sujava and the North Americans (Hudecia-Canada, Quinntonia-US) are also stabilizing parts of the old Federal Republic. Drapol, as North Korea, has invaded parts of southern korea including Seoul, but lost Hamhung to Quinntonian occupying forces. Kanendru, or Nepal, had undergone a Maoist revolution last I checked. Beth Gellert, based in India, is currently engaging the Singaporeans supporting Bonstock and Sino(not too sure whats going on there though).

Drapol, North Yaman, Spyr and Marimaia have entered a military alliance known as the Shining Sphere of Revolutionary Coprosperity, or the SSRC, and have been known to deal with BG, Kanendru and Oshima and Izu(Japan). Quinntonia, Hudecia and the Chinas have historically been oppossed to Korean Unification, which has come to war with Drapol on more than one occasion.

So, yeah, be careful what you do. You're enterring a region with entrenched alliances and a history of war. It might be good to rp a regime change in Russia and go from there to whatever this 'hmm' was concerning.

I'm going to say, that you pretty much have to make a choice between Poland and Russia.
I partially say this out of bitterness, seing as how I was originally going to RP a Polish Ukrainian nation in my capacity as The Estenlands. But, I just can't get behind someone claiming both Russia, which comes with the distinction of putting you into a position of importance and infleunce on two continents.
BTW, are you Polish? I have (a drop of) Polish blood as well! Whoo! Go Kulbassa!
WWJD
Amen.

I'm going to say, that you pretty much have to make a choice between Poland and Russia.
I partially say this out of bitterness, seing as how I was originally going to RP a Polish Ukrainian nation in my capacity as The Estenlands. But, I just can't get behind someone claiming both Russia, which comes with the distinction of putting you into a position of importance and infleunce on two continents.
BTW, are you Polish? I have (a drop of) Polish blood as well! Whoo! Go Kulbassa!
WWJD
Amen.
Well, my parents are, but I was born in the US. Most of my relatives, however, still live in Poland, and I visit them every summer. Kielbassa rules! Ahem. Well, I originally wanted Poland, but then I was told by many to handle Russia, since the guy doing it left. I doubt Poland has much influence left in Europe; they are constantly bullied by Germany and France. I'd rather start with Poland, since I'm new to this, but since you seem to want Poland and because somebody has to handle Russia, I guess I'll do it. Alright, so to start off, do I make a thread? Or do I have to wait for one of the "establishment" to make one?

Well, Poland will remain nuetral for right now, maybe we can sort that out later.
AS for how to RP this, first, just post something here and relate to us all your national character. That will give everyone an idea as to what to expect. BTW, I represent a highly militarised Ukraine, we also have some history, but I can explain that later.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Well, people only want you to be Russia because they're impatient little so and so's and Russia is important, and you're here right now :)

If you want to be Poland, you be Poland. Don't be Russia if you don't want to RP it long-term- people will regret asking you to if you don't really enjoy it. Really, make sure you pick what you want and have fun with it.

Well, people only want you to be Russia because they're impatient little so and so's and Russia is important, and you're here right now :)

If you want to be Poland, you be Poland. Don't be Russia if you don't want to RP it long-term- people will regret asking you to if you don't really enjoy it. Really, make sure you pick what you want and have fun with it.

You knwo, he is completely right, if you want Poland, go with it! Nobody really asked if you actually WANTED to play Russia, we just kind of thrust it upon you.
I'm not gonna let you get away with claiming half of Europe, but Poland, that I'de be down with.
King Wingert I of The Village of Estenlands.

So I guess it's alright for me to exist as a yemen/oman nation, and y'all should be seeing the first RP of Al-Ahzad in the next few days.

hope you like meddling in the affairs of 3rd world nations, guys!

The Roycelandian National Pastime is meddling in the affairs of Third World Nations! :D

BTW, bear in mind that the island of Socotra is part of Roycelandian East Africa in MW...

Another note to the nation that RPs Russia is that, by previous AMW arrangement, Russia does not (and has never) included the Maritime Province or Vladivostok, which form the base of Lyong.

Ok, this is my official statement of RP claim to northeastern India.

States:

Bihar
population: 82,878,796

Jharkhand
population: 26,909,428

West Bengal
population: 80,221,171

Maharashtra
popuplation: 96,752,247

Madhya Pradesh
population: 60,385,118

Extreme southeastern Uttar Pradesh
population: say, one million or so?

Total: about 340,000,000 (round down to 300,000,000 for the records...I would imagine that LRR-India would have a lower birthrate than the real one.

Capital: Mumbai (Bombay)

Major Cities (in order of importance):
2. Calcutta
3. Bhopal


Land borders:

Beth Gellert, Nepal, Bhutan, West India

Sea Borders: Bay of Bengal, Arabian Sea



Ok, this is my final thing here.

Don't forget Goa, that'd be another border state... of, erm, great importance. Try not to step on it :) Then there's Sikkim, Assam, and Bangladesh.

Actually, Goa and Pondicherry are interesting little places, now. Either independent city states surrounded by LRR and BG, or old colonies akin to Hong Kong, held by imperialists. We should look into that. Give one to each of two imperialists (one would assume the British having first refusal) in order to set up future RP 'issues', or something. When I say, "give" I don't exactly mean to imply BG and LRR handing them over, but to assume them never liberated after the era of the British empire.

Goa was a Portuguese colony was it not?

Anyway it might create an interesting RP situation to say the least if Goa was part of UE, and given our habit of aquiring tiny enclaves and its geographical location, that idea is quite plausible. This is is just an idea of course, just in case no one else wants the burden of it... ;)

Don't forget Goa, that'd be another border state... of, erm, great importance. Try not to step on it :) Then there's Sikkim, Assam, and Bangladesh.

Actually, Goa and Pondicherry are interesting little places, now. Either independent city states surrounded by LRR and BG, or old colonies akin to Hong Kong, held by imperialists. We should look into that. Give one to each of two imperialists (one would assume the British having first refusal) in order to set up future RP 'issues', or something. When I say, "give" I don't exactly mean to imply BG and LRR handing them over, but to assume them never liberated after the era of the British empire.

Well, Goa was liberated from Portugal by India in the 60's, but UE having it would create an interesting situation, either that or the British Federation. We could say that the British 'liberated' Goa from Portugal and just forgot to give it back to India...

I decided not to claim Sikkim, Assam and the other small border states out of the fact that I did not want to be stuck with a border on Sino, and that they might be their own independent states, should they want it. I think Bangladesh is already claimed.

I was referencing them as border states, sorry, not further claims for LRR. I didn't know that anyone had claimed Bangladesh, though...

As for Goa, well, it wouldn't have been the same, of course, since it's surrounded by LRR and BG, not by India as such, but yeah, whatever.

The Roycelandian National Pastime is meddling in the affairs of Third World Nations! :D

BTW, bear in mind that the island of Socotra is part of Roycelandian East Africa in MW...

iiiinteresting...that could create a bit of tension. check your TG roycelandia, I have an idea.

I have decided to join... Can I have India and Bangladesh?

Short answer no, long answer I really don't think so, no.

I was referencing them as border states, sorry, not further claims for LRR. I didn't know that anyone had claimed Bangladesh, though...

As for Goa, well, it wouldn't have been the same, of course, since it's surrounded by LRR and BG, not by India as such, but yeah, whatever.

Since both our countries are decidedly anti-imperialistic, the occupation of a piece of land so close to home by a foreign power, if they do not treat the people right, will probably not sit too well with either of us. I wouldn't mind the British Federation too much, but UE (aren't you a dictatorship?) might not be the best thing for relations with the old Hindustan.

Well, yeah, of course it'd be a problem IC, but I don't want to look like we're building some sort of super free utopia completely impervious to incursion by anybody else. I don't know about LRR's history, but BG has only been independent since after WWII, and was a capitalist representative democracy with questionable morals until, well, I'm not sure, but until the last couple of decades certainly, so it's only recently that we'd seriously resist such involvement on the sub-continent, and of course would find it difficult to just forcibly liberate an overseas territory without starting a wider conflict.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

If you could place Piquantrax as Puerto Rico, population 4 million. That would be good.

I'm pretty much ready to start, but can someone give me some background on Russia's previous history? It would help make my RP make more sense...Specifically, I'd like to know if this Russia has had any history of autocracy or Communism at all.

I'm pretty much ready to start, but can someone give me some background on Russia's previous history? It would help make my RP make more sense...Specifically, I'd like to know if this Russia has had any history of autocracy or Communism at all.

You can pretty much go whereever you want with Russia. I don't think anyone would object to your rewriting of Russian history which ever way you wish. It can be assumed that there wasn't as big a Russo-Japan war, with Lyong controlling the area that is Vladivostok in the real world. If you want the Czars in power, or the communists, or a dictatorship...whatever! Hell, Rasputin could have taken power and created a crazy government.

If you want to make back history with the lyong Peninsula, it'd be better to talk to Spyr - he's the one that came up with the idea and has the most information on Lyong history.

Can I have Hawii?

I figure my history runs something like this:

When India is granted its independence, the parts of the country currently under LRR rule are brought under a reasonably strong quasi-communist movement, which eventually takes quite a liking to Ghandi. Then, the country extends its arms of friendship to both the American and the Soviet Blocs, making it a 'battleground' for the two groups to win its affection. This leads to a thriving export economy, where Indian factories churn out refrigerators bound for Vladivostok and bedframes headed for New York at the same time.

It just sort of continues from there, more or less...

Oh, and the society is very progressive and all happy-like. That was one of the government's original points of interest: public happiness.

The main religions are Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, but after the second world war a fair amount of Jews emigrated to the tolerant and open Hindustan .

Education and social programs are very heavily funded, and this has lead to a negligible crime rate and high standard of living. A large portion of the population still lives off of farming, but farmers are subsidized by the Ministry of Agriculture and Botany. This allows farmers to make a good profit off of their original plots without being forced to make inroads into protected environments.

One of the most distinguishing aspects of Hindustani society and government is the views on the role and obligation of religion. Religion is all over the government, but it is viewed as a way of ensuring that there will be 'love and light,' or enlightened, tolerant, and loving thinking rather than a force that should hold people in tight 'moral' codes.

Like LRR-Russia, I would imagine that Hindustan also has a puppet ruler, who's position is Prime Minister but who's obligations consist of collecting massive charitable donations or hanging around in his pagoda and playing the Sitar.

LRR, UE is technically Dictatorship, but that does not mean it is neceesarily oppressive or unpopular. For everything you might want to know about the UE system of government or our history see this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/United_Elias).

OCC: I don't think we currently have a general MW events thread running, so I guess I'll put what I am about to say here.

IC:

Recently, the Hindustani navy has recognized a need to develop a new patrol corvette. Either that or buy some (10-12 units).

The state armories inquire as to weather Beth Gellert might be interested in such a vessel, or if they have any to buy.

Preferably, such a craft would meet the following performance specifications:

Max. speed in excess of 30 knots

Range exceeding 6,000 miles at cruise speed

Environmentally friendly propulsion system (low CO2 emissions, or with provisions for the installation of LRR systems for the elimination of greenhouse gas emissions)

Helicopter landing pad capable of supporting a Ka-27 helicopter

AA weapons capable of engaging supersonic targets at a range over 20 kilometers

ASW weapons systems of good quality, preferably consisting of both homing torpedos and rocket depth charges

AsSW weapons systems capable of engaging targets at ranges in excess of 130 kilometers

ECM and CIWS systems capable of downing modern anti-ship missiles



Such ships would replace the Godavari class frigates, Leander class frigates, and Khukri class corvettes.

BG would certainly be interested in that. We're in the midst of major fleet reforms at the moment, and may be cutting one or even two of our current eight flotillas (we don't call them fleets, but it might be fair to) in order to allow more practical programmes. Maybe we should start a new thread... this alone doesn't seem to justify a whole thread, so maybe we should make it an... Indian co-operative ventures thread?

BG would certainly be interested in that. We're in the midst of major fleet reforms at the moment, and may be cutting one or even two of our current eight flotillas (we don't call them fleets, but it might be fair to) in order to allow more practical programmes. Maybe we should start a new thread... this alone doesn't seem to justify a whole thread, so maybe we should make it an... Indian co-operative ventures thread?

Sounds quite good. I will start one.

The link:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7685067#post7685067

Hello. I've been around for a little bit and wanted a change. I decided to create a new, seperate nation from my main one that would try to join a radically different region and participate in different types of Rpgs.

I quite like the design of this rp and I would request claim to the (surpise, surpise) great country of Bangladesh and if possible Pakistan as both are fairly weak and used to be one country.

If Pakistan has been taken (only chekced for Bangladesh) or if you feel that its unfair for me to have these two countries then I will be happy if given just claims to Bangladesh.

The Father of Bangladash

OK, I've finally finished the SwissCorp factbook. It's at:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380892

For anyone who wants to take a look. Comments, questions & criticism welcomed.

Oh, and does anyone know an easy way to log in and out of the forum? I'm having to run through an anonymous server at the moment.

I'm pretty much ready to start, but can someone give me some background on Russia's previous history? It would help make my RP make more sense...Specifically, I'd like to know if this Russia has had any history of autocracy or Communism at all.
I am suuggesting that you have some kind of history of totalitarianism, when LRR was running things, I think he and Estenlands worked out that LRR had risen when Communism fell after the death of Stalin. That left at least the Ukraine under the control of Russia, and abloody revolution ensued, which has coloured relations with Ukraine (Estenlands) ever since they gained their independence in the early eighties.
What form of government are you planning on using?
That would be helpful to know.

BTW, I THINK WE SHOULD OFFICIALLY CLOSE DOWN ALL NEW BIDS FROM THIS POINT ON!!!! Everyone needs to consolidate for awhile.
WWJD
Amen.

I have a fairly convoluted idea in mind, with a fairly unique government type that I guess can only be called "Putin". I'll give more info soon, but right now the keywords are: efficiency and nationalism.

Hey, would anyone be interested in writing an entry for A Modern World in NSwiki?

Sorry for posting so late, I've been offline for ages due to a particularly nasty virus attack that prohibited me from using the internet.

I think the modern world is a great concept, and am of course interested in joining with the Commonwealth in it's current location. To give everyone a heads-up, the Commonwealth is a former despotic militarist state, with a general named Nwabudike James good enough to unite the warring tribes of Zaire, Congo and Rwanda/Burundi after the death of Laurent Kabila. Out of this he formed the big Commonwealth and placed it squarely under the control of a central authority in Kinshasa.

After a lot of wars and unrest, things finally seem to be cooling down. Nwabudike has been ousted, and the new president Ndelebe has successfully implemented democratic reforms. A parliament elected fairly now has the authority in all temporal matters, but given the power held by the military and industrial sectors, it is still hard to see the people's will through. If one is cynic, one might compare it to the America of today, only in an African setting, creating a whole new host of problems thanks to inter-tribal rivalries, AIDS, sabotage and what have you.. Thankfully, President Ndelebe is a former leader of the army, and seems to be an ideal catalyst for bringing both the military and the population together and leading the nation into a more democratic and less militarized future.

LRR>> Good to see you still around! I'm an avid Wikipedia contributer, but I haven't read up on all the nations in the Modern World, I only know about the concept; so much as I'd like to write about it, it should probably be someone who knows more geographically speaking.

Hey, AC... Hope you've got that Virus dealt with! They should invent a special War Crimes Tribunal for dealing with the people who write those things...

Anyway, I think it would be a really good idea if the AC joined. He's an excellent RPer, and the AC's size and stability are largely responsible for preventing Roycelandia from simply rolling over the entire Sub Saharan Africa, ruthlessly crushing all resistance underfoot, with the shooting and Imperialism and the oppression, Mwey-hey! :)

Ah, crap, there I go thinking out loud again... :D

Royce>>

Well, I did get it fixed, but I had to reformat my entire C:\ drive. Of course I forgot to take a hard copy of my My Documents folder, so I lost a ton of NS-related documents :(

But I'm back! Thanks for the kind words about my RP, and I agree. I admit that it's a bit strange that the former regions of Zaire, Burundi and Rwanda have turned into a modern society akin to the US with a comparatively advanced and modern military, but for fun RP I think it's okay to stretch the limits of reality a bit.

Sorry for posting so late, I've been offline for ages due to a particularly nasty virus attack that prohibited me from using the internet.

I think the modern world is a great concept, and am of course interested in joining with the Commonwealth in it's current location. To give everyone a heads-up, the Commonwealth is a former despotic militarist state, with a general named Nwabudike James good enough to unite the warring tribes of Zaire, Congo and Rwanda/Burundi after the death of Laurent Kabila. Out of this he formed the big Commonwealth and placed it squarely under the control of a central authority in Kinshasa.

After a lot of wars and unrest, things finally seem to be cooling down. Nwabudike has been ousted, and the new president Ndelebe has successfully implemented democratic reforms. A parliament elected fairly now has the authority in all temporal matters, but given the power held by the military and industrial sectors, it is still hard to see the people's will through. If one is cynic, one might compare it to the America of today, only in an African setting, creating a whole new host of problems thanks to inter-tribal rivalries, AIDS, sabotage and what have you.. Thankfully, President Ndelebe is a former leader of the army, and seems to be an ideal catalyst for bringing both the military and the population together and leading the nation into a more democratic and less militarized future.

LRR>> Good to see you still around! I'm an avid Wikipedia contributer, but I haven't read up on all the nations in the Modern World, I only know about the concept; so much as I'd like to write about it, it should probably be someone who knows more geographically speaking.


Hindustan is ready and willing to send antiretroviral treatments into The African Commonwealth at a moment's notice, at a rock-bottom price, funded in large part by the national trade surplus. Economic booster packages are also ready, as are trained medical specialists to work with AC doctors.

Well, how could we not accept?

IC>

The LFU/ADU government was practically running on each others shoulderblades to take credit for accepting the Hindustani trade proposal. AIDS/HIV Antibiotica, restorative training and screening was currently putting a large drain on the Commonwealth budget, and any aid of this magnitude could practically save the thriving AC economy from the things currently straining it.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376969
Shanghai Conference

Northern China talks has finally ended the civil war and is likely to reform many of its former policies. New allies are seeked.

^Here'syour first mini for those who have been 'ok-ed' into joining

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7707224&posted=1#post7707224

this is a thread on a jewel heist htat im having... if you're interested, join in. well, its actually an auction, but there are buyers AND thieves, so thats that.

I'm also planning an older sort of RP (historical times, circa 1700, 1800s) where someone finds a treasure map and then everyone races to get the treasure. If you're interested in either, let me know.

If we've got a Russia, now (or any other nations in Eastern Europe), it would be ideal if they'd hasten to address the situation arising with regard to the recent establishment of statehood in Lavrageria (covering Belarus) and on-going threats from the neighbouring dictatorship of the Estenlands (Ukraine). Lavrageria was expecting heavy trade with Russia, and some aid, when Russia was LRR, and need to know where we stand before much progress can be made.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377624

I'm trying to figure out my military's ground component, and can you guys help me out? I'm suppsoed to be Australia (and some outlying islands) with a 20 million population, so my military is considerably more limited than before.

Each brigade (bde) contains 5000 soldiers, each battalion contains 1000 soldiers, and sometimes, regiments (a unit independent of brigades and battalions) contain 2500 soldiers. Armored brigades contain about a hundred forty-four tanks, armor companies (not battalions) contain a twelve tanks each. Mechanized Infantry bdes contain about a hundred armored vehicles (tanks, APCs, IFVs). Special forces bdes contain about 3,000 men, split into battalions of six hundred each

Divisions are made of two brigades, and reinforced divisions are made of three.

Aviation detachments consist of helicopters, attack helicopters, and sometimes attack planes (Su25 Frogfoots). About 50 assorted craft in a detachment.

~Marine Forces~
Marine forces contain rapid reaction units specializing in at least two different terrain types. All Marine forces are elite units.

Pearl Guards Bde (Commando and spearhead brigade)

Kanario Raiders Bde (Mountain Infantry)

2x Special forces bde

Desert Raiders Bde

Baykal Raiders Bde (arctic and antarctic warfare)

Nomad Bde (plains warfare, mech infantry bde)

Ganyean Infantry Bde (counter insurgency warfare)

1x Mech Infantry Bde
4x support Bdes

TOTAL=11 bdes (61,000 troops)
300 tanks

Marine Aviation- 650 helos
10x Aviation detachments
3x special operations aviation detachments


~Army~
(160,000 troops, 720 tanks in armored units, 700 various armored vehicles, 750 various support aircraft)
Army forces consist of Assault Bdes (mech infantry), paratroop bdes, and several elite (guards or raiders) units.

Tao Guards Bde

2x Mech Infantry Bde

2nd Air Descent Division
8th Guards Jump Brigade (airborne troops)
Shadow Jump Brigade

10th Shock Division (Air Descent)

7th Storm Division (one armored, one mech infantry brigade)

5th Storm Division (armor, mech inf)

Pathet Cong Bde (Jungle and temperate forest warfare)

Erdana Rifles Bde (counterinsurgency warfare)

Numaya Rifles Bde (Mountain warfare)

2x Ghost Bdes (foreign service unit, akin to French Foreign Legion)

3x Assault Divisions (3 Armor, 3 Mech inf)

5x Special Operations Forces Bdes

15x aviation detachments

6x support brigades

If we've got a Russia, now (or any other nations in Eastern Europe), it would be ideal if they'd hasten to address the situation arising with regard to the recent establishment of statehood in Lavrageria (covering Belarus) and on-going threats from the neighbouring dictatorship of the Estenlands (Ukraine). Lavrageria was expecting heavy trade with Russia, and some aid, when Russia was LRR, and need to know where we stand before much progress can be made.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=377624
I'm Russia and I'll get back to you later.

I'm trying to figure out my military's ground component, and can you guys help me out? I'm suppsoed to be Australia (and some outlying islands) with a 20 million population, so my military is considerably more limited than before.



Firstly, a tank brigade usually has 94 tanks, according to the principle of three tank companies in an Armour Battalion, and each company having ten tanks each (3 Platoons of 3 and a Command Tank). This means a Battalion has a total of 32 tanks, (3 Companies of 10 plus two Battalion Command Tanks) and a brigade, usually consisting of three tank battalions having a total of 96 tanks. In my army (it can differ depending on how many suport battalions each country places at different command echelons) this equates to 2,446 men whereas a Mechanised Brigade of the same size in terms of battalions equates to 4,447 men. In other words, the size of each brigade should be done on the number of units rather than the number of troops. As a general principle, the pyramidal rule of three is what is used but there are some exceptions where there might be 4 Companies in a Battalion or for example 4 Combat Battalions in a brigade.

Generally also Divisions would have three combat brigades and typically between 8 and 12 support units, including an artillery regiment, maintenance, engineer, logistics, recon, electronic warfare, medical, military police etc units, whether they be companies or battalions. Simply putting two brigades together does not make a division.

The units of employment on a battlefield is typically the Corps not The Division, in the case of larger armies (around 100,000 personnel). Whereas several brigades and many support units together constitute a division, several divisions and corp level units (such as MLRS Brigades, Air Defence Brigades etc) come together to form a Corps.

The concept of the different echelons and the way they are put together is very confusing, difficult to find explanations on and more complicated than first appears. However, much of this is not applicable to smaller armies such as yours in which a Corps would pretty much be the whole army. My suggestion is not to have divisions either but have brigades, and form them as self sufficient seperate brigades that are self-supporting, as many deployments will probably be on a brigade level. Then you could have division level support units as reserves so that when you face a large war you could form up divisions with frontline soldiers being proffessionals and the support troops as reservists, meaning that capability is not affected and freeing up more active duty soldiers to form other brigades. My army being much larger (I added it today to total: 993,621 of which 658,546 is Active and 335,075 Reserve = 0.87% of population) uses this same concept for Corps, i.e we have standing divisions and most Corps level units are reserve, although one or two expeditionary Corps could also be formed without the need reserve call up.

As far as Australia is concerned, I think your troop numbers in total are about right, but I think 750 aircraft is indeed a massive stretch for the territory's populace.

I hope this waffling has been even a little helpful and feel free to ask me questions or to disagree.

Thanks. Keeping brigades as my primary unit and having division level support is a good idea, and I suppose I will do that. The only reason I listed divisions in there was that I got bored of naming, numbering, or typing out brigade.

My numbering system, actually, is based on an old military system used by Mongols and Chinese during the dynastic periods; the Mongol armies (as much assholes as they were, they were still some of the most efficient forces seen) had a logical progression of units. that is, they had ten men in a squad, ten squads in a company, ten companies in a regiment or battalion, and ten battalions in a division, ten divisions in an army/corps/horde (I dont kno if these names are rite, but i'm using roughly comparable sizes). For the most part, i find the American system of organization quite confusing, but hte rule of three (I'm assuming this to be one unit fights while one unit rests and the last unit prepares) seems to be a good principle.

About my support aircraft, however, I'm in a bit of a quandary; I've seen what insufficient support can do (Japanese in World War II, etc) but too much support (American armed forces) has both its pros (demolishing everyone in your way) and cons (too complicated, massive infrastructure to maintain). so what would be a good number?

About my support aircraft, however, I'm in a bit of a quandary; I've seen what insufficient support can do (Japanese in World War II, etc) but too much support (American armed forces) has both its pros (demolishing everyone in your way) and cons (too complicated, massive infrastructure to maintain). so what would be a good number?

My advice is to first look at the real nation to give you an idea of what a plausible number is. Here I will just give outline approximately Australia's military aviation inventory.

Air Force
35 F-111s, 71 F-18s, 33 Bae Hawks, 3 PC-9s, 17 P-3s, 2 EP-3s, 4 737 AEW&C, 24 C-130s, 5 707s, 14 DHC-4s, 5 Falcons.

Navy
16 SH-60s, 11 SH-2Gs, 7 Sea Kings

Army
35 UH-60s, 22 Tigers, 25 UH-1Hs, 6 CH-47s, 17 assorted training aircraft

Total: 213 Fixed Wing
139 Helicopters

Australia's listed military is approximately half the size of yours, rated at 50,700 + 21, 340 reservists, so in theory the Air Forces should also be twice the size. Assuming you could afford to have all of your armed forces of double size as (assuming the quality is the same) as that of Australia, you would be spending 30 billion + dollars on defence, which is almost equivalent to the UK and Germany, which for East Islandia might be perfectly possible. Also just because your ground forces are twice as large does not necessarily mean the Air Force needs to maintain the same ratio. As far as the actual composition of your Air Forces are concerned, it is obviously not just numbers that count, and perhaps if I was to know what technology level and what types you intend to operate, I could be more helpful in working out what size of Air Force you would need. One of the obvious problems with your nation is that inevitably forces are going to be thinly stretched due to the mass of the territory compared to the population.

While we are on the subject of militaries, I might as well post mine.

I would imagine that the Hindustani army, while being much smaller than the real Indian army, would be much better equipped and trained, benefiting from a more stable economy.

Army

200,000 active troops

Divison=10,000 troops
Brigade=5,000 troops
Regiment=2,500 troops
Battallion=500 troops
Company=~100
Platoon=~30 troops
Squad=~9 troops

Armored Division (5):
220 T-72M2 (1,100 total, but there are about 150 Arjuns in service)
10 WZT-3 (160 in service total)
250 APC-3 (1,250 in the armored divisions, about 30 are engineer variants per division)
80 BM-21H MRLs (2,200 total in service)
10 BM-24 MRLs (projected)
About 400 assorted trucks (almost 10,000 total in service)

Motorized Infantry Division (15):
350 APC-3T (5,250 total in the MI divisions)
50 APC-3W (750 total in the army, mostly command and recon vehicles)
120 BM-21H MRLs
15 BM-24 MRLs (projected)
About 550 assorted trucks

Note: AAA and SAM units have been left out

Air Force

about 50,000 (?) people

160 FA. 5 (12 squadrons)
30 Su-30MKI (2 squadrons)
64 MiG-21 Bison (4 squadrons)
70 Jaguar FA. 1 (5 squadrons)

104 Jaguar GR3 (6.5 squadrons)
74 Jaguar AS1 (5.5 squadrons)
64 MiG-21 MF/F 2(4 squadrons)

(Helicopters shared with the army)

102 Mi-8 (8.5 squadrons)
72 Mi-17 (6 squadrons)
32 Mi-24 (4 squadrons)
48 HAL Chetak (Alouette III;4 squadrons)
24 HAL Dhruv (2 squadrons)

14 Il-78 (2 squadrons)
20 Il-76 (4 squadrons)
4 A-50
100 An-32 (6 squadrons)
40 Do-228 (2.5 squadrons)

40 PZL Iskra (4 squadrons)
80 HJT-16

Navy

100,000 (?) people

1 Centuar class carrier

3 Delhi class destroyer (1 in construction)
6 Rajput (kashin) class destroyer

1 P-17 class frigate (2 in construction)
3 Godavari class frigate
3 Brahmaputra class frigate

8 Type 25 corvette
10 Bengal class corvette (projected)
20 Veer (Tarantul class) missile boat

4 Grisha class corvette
4 Abhay class corvette

4 Samar class OPV
9 Vikram class OPV

12 Seaward defense boat
12 Trinkat class fast patrol boat
19 Super Dvora class fast patrol boat

2 Magar class LPD
12 Mk. 3 LST
8 Polnochny LST

3 Aditya class replenishment tanker

8 Mine countermeasures vessel

12 Pondicherry class minesweeper

2 Mahe class minesweeper

12 Sandhayak survey vessel

1 Sagardhwani Class research vessel

3 Matanga class ocean tug
20 Gaj class harbor tug

11 Kilo class D/E attack submarine (in the process of being replaced by indeginous AIP boats)
4 Shishumar class D/E attack submarine
2 Foxtrot D/E attack submarine

1 Ugra class submarine tender

40 Alouette III multirole helicopter
12 Kiran trainer
25 Sea Harrier VTOL fighter
36 Do-228 multirole aircraft
8 Tu-142 long-range radar aircraft
10 Il-38 ASW aircraft
60 Sea King ASW/anti-ship helicopter
14 Sea King SAT helicopter
20 Ka-28 ASW helicopter

OOC: Alright, here is the story of my new government. Enjoy. Or PERISH!
Cold....The cold pierces my skin, and pours into my very soul...There is only one place in the world whose very temperature can have such profound impact. Russia...
Vladimir Putin glared out of the open hatch. The helicopter he was in trembled from the blistering winds, yet Putin refused to close the hatch. Instead, this fairly gaunt man stood against the ice and snow, his black clothes, scarf, and sunglasses. The pilot was bewildered as to why Putin refused to close the hatch, but hell, the customer was never wrong. Especially a well paying customer. And so the helicopter continued it’s journey, a pinprick on the vast white horizon.
I have not been to the motherland since I was ten..that was 30 years ago....that damned Mafia, setting a bomb in our home simply because my father refused to give in to their corrupt demands...
His hands curled into fists.
I shall have vengeance. Russia itself will have vengeance.
The simmering rage within him would soon boil...
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Hours later...
Vladimir, the man with a receding brown/orange hairline and a sharp nose barked at the pilot.
“You can stop now.”
“What? We’re nowhere near a landing zone! I mean, this is a helicopter, but...well, as you can probably tell, this ain’t a top class transport. Especially considering that we’re in the middle of winter...”
“There is no need. I have my own ways. Now, stop.”
“But this is downtown...I don’t think they will like a helicopter floating above them...”
“Do you think I give a damn about what the Mafia thinks? Now shut up or I’ll detonate the semtex I planted in here. I can assure you that whatever the accursed gangsters will do to you, it will be far less painful.”
Putin clasped the detanator in his hands and smiled maniacally. The pilot flew the decrepit chopper above the city. Vladimir’s hands grasped a backpack, which they fastened to his back. His feet carried him to the edge of the chopper. Putin turned around and smiled at the pilot.
“Oh, by the way...”
The pilot’s eyes widened in sheer horror as the man in black’s fingers pressed the detonator’s trigger. The tension could be cut with a chainsaw. A big chainsaw. Made from polar bears. Yes, polar bears. No, not grizzly bears. POLAR BEARS, DAMMIT! Ahem.
“Boo.”
“YAHAHAH!”
The young pilot panicked, leaping to the floor, and crouching in a fetal position.
“Calm down. I’m not as ruthless as I look. For crying out loud, there was no bomb. I was just using a ploy to force you to hover above the town square. Now, I shall take my leave, and I urge you to do the same, as the gangsters seem to be armed with anti-air weaponry. Farewell.”
With a nod of his head, he was gone. He disappeared into the night...
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A black cloud appeared in the sky. It was unlike any cloud Ilona Srebrenitska had seen. It started small, yet instantly unfurled to form a large specter of doom...Except...That it was no cloud. It was...a parachute. Immediately, gunfire rattled the air.
The snow fell on Ilona’s pale skin, contrasting her frizzy black hair. Well, normally pale skin. Currently it had taken a shade of red.
“Dammit, Borishnikov! You let the chopper get away!”
“So? Madam, it’s just some old chopper. I bet it’s just some guy tryin’ to smuggle illegals or drugs from the Estenlands or some other hell hole like that.”
Ilona’s trench coat swirled in the wind as she elbowed the clumsy bald man, known as Boris, in the face. Then she pointed towards the black blotch in the sky.
“You dolt. Can’t you see? A parachute! Illegal immigrants and drug dealers don’t parachute in the middle of town square! What is it? It can’t be the government. We pay them too well. Could the Yakuza be trying to get in on our customers? Or is it the Americans? Have they finally gotten the jaja to get serious with their idiotic war on drugs?”
“Should I shoot...?”
“No. Firing on a chopper probably full of illegals or druggies is one thing; but attacking a guy who is either brave or stupid enough to land in the hear of Russian Mafia territory is quite another.”
Ilona dug her hands into the many pockets of her trench coat. One hand pulled out a pair of dark sunglasses with a slight gold rim, and the other snatched out a small flip phone.
“Sector 3A, Lenin alley. Yes, I’m sure this is important. I don’t give damn that this’ll disrupt your drug deals! I want that son of a bitch surrounded, got it?”
Ilona sighed, and replaced her phone with a Russian knock off of the American M1911A1 0.45 caliber handgun, called the “Siberia 45". She ran forward, followed by Boris.
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The black figure landed in the middle of town square, surrounded by shocked townsfolk. Bald teenagers shooed away the crowds as the man in black rose from his crouched position. The middle fingers on each of his hands pressed buttons on his palms, detaching the backpack and parachute. With his left hand, Putin tossed a small vial behind his shoulders as he walked away from the parachute. As soon as the vial cracked, a white flash emerged, quickly followed by a plume of flame. Vladimir walked away calmly as the White Phosphorous dissolved the all the evidence of his arrival. Just in case. He looked around, realizing that a normally bustling town square was empty, with the only sound being his breathing and the soft fall of snow. Well, for a few moments anyway.
Seemingly out of nowhere, several gangsters ran out, surrounding Putin.
“Well, it looks like you caught me.”
Ilona shoved aside a gangster and aimed her Siberia at Putin’s face.
“Talk, punk! Who sent you? What do you want? Are you KGB, CIA, FBI, DEA? Huh?”
“I work for no one but Russia itself, madame.”
“How dare you try to sweet talk me!”
“I am doing nothing of the sort, young madame.”
“STOP CALLING ME THAT!”
“Then what should I call you? I do not know your name...”
“I don’t know why I haven’t shot you yet, but...It’s Ilona. Ilona Srebrenitska. Leader of the Red Mafia’s Moscow division. Now, spill the beans!”
“I don’t have any beans, Ms. Srebrenitska.”
“Damn you! You know exactly what I mean, arrgggg!”
Ilona lost her composure, something the normally good natured woman rarely did, and thrust a punch directly at Putin’s face. Which was exactly what he expected. He grabbed her fist, twisted it around. She tried to fire her gun at him, but Vladimir’s punch dazed her long enough for him to grab the gun out of his hand. Putin threw her to the ground, and ran forward. The skinhead in front of him panicked, and Vladimir used the opportunity to shoot the gun out of his hand. He grabbed his neck from behind, and used him as a human shield. The others unloaded from their various submachine guns, slaughtering their comrade. Putin fired off three shots at a gangster in front of him, and he crumpled to the ground. Two men sprayed machine gun fire at the lifeless body Putin held. It couldn’t withstand any more shots, so he tossed it forward, as a distraction, and ducked behind a wall. Three gangsters on the ground sprinted towards location, so he leaned around the corner and thrust forward a vial of White Phosphorous. The men screamed in pain as their flesh burned to a crisp. Putin breathed a heavy sigh of relief, but then remembered something. Something bad. The two men on the roof firing at him...One of them...was also holding...a rocket launcher.
“Aw, shit.”
Putin leaped aside, bouyed by an explosion. He managed to avoid most of the flames, but the sheer force of the explosion sent him flying straight towards a brick wall. He smacked into it face first, and slid down.
“Owwww....”
He brushed himself off, and rushed ahead, dodging fire from the two remaining gangsters.
“Dammit, is the accursed government so corrupt that they’ll ignore rocket launchers?!?”
An explosion rocked the buildings near Putin.
“I guess so. Alright, bitches. Time to die!”
He rolled out of cover as the machine gunner desperately attempted to hit him. A bullet grazed his arm, but he managed to get in range for his plan.
“I’m sorry, Mr. Mcdonald...”
He started rapidly tossing grenades into the empty Mcdonalds that the two gangsters stood on. They panicked, trying to get off, but it was too late. The building collapsed in a sheet of flame, and Putin smiled, waving.
“We love to see you smile.”
He turned around, to face the butt of a gun.
“Ilona.”
She stood, her face red with fury. Ilona had picked up an Ingram mini submachine gun from one of her men, and she aimed it at his head.
“You...you...killed them...”
“They are drug dealing scum. I feel no mercy on those who drain the life out of the motherland.”
“Stop your moronic preaching. I let you live before, since you might be someone important. But now...I wouldn’t care if you were the Pope, President, and Red Czar combined. I’LL KILL YOU!”
And so they stood in the snow, unmoving for what seemed like millennia. On the threshold of death, or the cusp of life. Either way, for that moment in time, the future of the nation, no the world was decided.
Putin was at first nervous, but then he stared into Ilona’s eyes, and smiled.
“WHAT!?!? Why are you smiling?!?”
“You won’t do it.”
“Huh?”
“I can see it in your eyes. You may be tough, but you’re no killer. You won’t, no can’t, murder an innocent man in cold blood.”
“I...I...”
Suddenly, Putin’s fist went forward, striking Ilona’s face. She fell to the ground, and dropped her gun. She tried to grasp for it, but Putin kicked it away.
“It’s not a bad thing, you know.”
“Wha?”
“Not wanting to kill an innocent person is never a negative trait. It means you are a decent human being, and even for a gangster, that’s a good thing. Oh and by the way, Ms. Srebrenitska, would you care to explain this?”
He snatched what appeared to be a traditional Soviet red star badge from her chest, except that the rim was silver and the inside was black, off of her chest.
“A black star...You must be the grand daughter of Ocelot Srebrenitska. The revolutionary who brought democracy to Russia...”
“How...?”
“The black star was a symbol of his revolution, and his most prized possession. That, and your last name guarantees that this is no coincidence. As payment for your vicious threats, I think I’ll keep it. It’ll be the perfect symbol...”
Putin pinned the star on his chest, placed his hands in his pockets, and hummed Christmas carols as he walked away. Ilona raised her hand weakly.
“Wait...Symbol for what?”
He turned around and smiled.
“My presidential campaign of course.”
He threw his head in the air and laughed hysterically.
Ilona stared in disbelief as Vladimir walked off into the downtown of Moscow.
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Vladimir strode through the streets, singing softly.
“I’m dreaming of a white Christmas...”
But then he saw why he had come back to his motherland, and his singing ceased.
Corrupt criminals robbing innocents wherever they go...So many times our people have tried to free themselves from parasites, but every time they reappear again. Why do we fail constantly at this?
He stared into the sky, and found the answer.
Because we have only copied the ideas of others. Communism, Western democracy...all ideas ill-suited for Russia. Russia needs to put its power into one person, so it is not spread amongst many corrupt bureaucrats. But the people need to decide who this person is. Only they can choose someone who is trustworthy enough to have that much power. After all, they need someone honest to get rid of the corrupt system in which you have to know somebody who knows somebody who has connections with somebody who can sign a form just so you can perform any basic action. The corrupt government chokes the will of the people through its taxation and corruption. Our leader must train a military that is loyal only to Russia, and that military must be combined with the police. Investigators that kill they shall become. They shall smite bribe devouring lords, and punish any government inefficiencies. And then, we shall turn against the greatest evil of our country...the Red Mafia. It twists the very Russian spirit, replacing it with drugs, booze, prostitution, and evil.
“That’s it. I can wait no longer. PEOPLE OF RUSSIA!”
He screamed these words while standing in the middle of a busy street. Even when he fired his gun into the air, there was no result. The crowd was hardened to such things. He smiled when he realized the only thing Russians would pay attention to.
“Vodka! Free vodka!”
The entire street turned around and faced Putin.
“I have just ordered ten cases full of vodka. But if you wish to have it, hear me out first.”
And so the crowd stared with rapt attention towards Putin as he summed his previous thoughts into a powerful speech.
“..And so, I urge you to vote for Vladimir Putin, the black star, so that mother Russia may rise again!”
“Putin...”
A lone cry emerged from the crowd.
“PUTIN!”
More joined into the cry. Soon, Moscow itself trembled from the words of this man in black.
“PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN!”
And so the revolution began.
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Months later...
President Juschenko strode nervously around his velvet red room. The fat, weary man’s face was a criss-cross of lines. He was surrounded by various aides, all sweating and nervous. The harsh red light made them seem even more tired than they were.
“Katzinsky, what are the newest poll results?”
“Well they’re...have you noticed the nice weather we’ve been having?”
“I don’t I’ve a damn. WHAT ARE THE RESULTS?!?”
“Ehh...Urkkk....It’s 10% for you, sir.”
The president’s eyes seemed to pop out. Spittle flew from his mouth. And then...his eyes drooped down, and his entire body sagged down.
“It’s over.”
“Don’t say that sir. We still have the Red option...”
“NO! What this Putin fellow says...He is right. The government has failed Russia. I have failed Russia. I cannot win.”
“We can simply use the Red option sir. The Mafia has been very proficient at rigging elections before.”
“Don’t you see? That is the very thinking that has destroyed Russia. Corruption and greed...”
He turned around, and faced the wall which bore a map of Russia.
“Leave me.”
“Sir...”
“LEAVE.”
They left the room, and the old regime went with them.
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Election Day...
“Hello. This is Brit Hume reporting from Russia for the FOX News channel. Today is election day in Russia, and it is a battle between the old and the new. Vladimir Putin, the challenger who promises strict anti-corruption measures, is leading in most polls. However, the incumbent, President Andrei Juschenko, has support from very powerful players in Russia, from most politicians to the Red Mafia. This being Russia, everything is uncertain as of now.”
The television bleeped off in the dusty warehouse as Vladimir heard footsteps approaching. The door opened, and Ilona Srebrenitska appeared again, flanked by elite Red Mafia guards clad in black suits.
Vladimir’s face moved from a position of shock to one of delight.
“Well, well, well. If it isn’t Ms. Srebrenitska. A pleasure to meet you again.”
He extended his hand out, but received no handshake in return.
“Trust me, it wasn’t out of choice. I am the highest ranking Red Mafia official in Moscow, and so if the Mafia receives information that someone of your stature wishes to contact us, it is my duty to perform the negotiations.”
“This really isn’t the right line of work for you, madame. You are not a murderer, and only they can last long in this businesses without losing their minds.”
“Is that why you brought me here? To talk about my lifestyle choice?”
“No, of course not. I need a deal. I want the Red Mafia to step aside, and not interfere in these elections.”
“Ha! Why should we do that? The current President offers us all we need. You, on the other hand, wish to destroy us.”
“I am willing to put aside my ambitions of destroying your vile organization if that is what is necessary to win. Some aid to the Russian people is better than none.”
“So? That still doesn’t give us an incentive. The President offers us the ability to do what we wish to already. Why take a risk?”
Putin’s face turned into a mask of rage.
“I expected better of you. Don’t you realize what will happen if refuse my offer? My followers are loyal and desperate. They shall fight, and plunge this nation into a bloody civil war. I doubt they will offer to you such pleasing conditions then. I wish to spare my country from this bloodshed, so I am willing to compromise. So...do we have a deal?”
Ilona threw her head back and laughed.
“Why should I? My men could kill you right now, and it would all be over. You know I expected better of you!”, she laughed, mocking his own words.
Putin simply smiled, and snapped his fingers. Twenty darkly clad men in black scarves and black star badges popped out of various spots in the room.
“So, what do you think of my offer now, Miss Srebrenitska? Hmmm?”
The sound of tired defeat emerged from her lips, and she signed the contract with Putin.
“Now, if you dare back off from the deal, my people will be more than happy to deliver your head on a silver platter to me...”
She glared, and walked out of the decrepit building.
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“And so, ladies and gentleman, in Russia today, the system has done something it rarely does—it worked. To the amazement of the entire world, Vladimir Putin, the man in black who parachuted into Russia from a helicopter and began his political career by promising free vodka is now President of one of the world’s great superpowers. On behalf of the people of America, I would like to congratulate Mr. Putin on his success, and hope that he will guide Russia to become a friend of democracy and freedom, and a foe of dictatorship and evil. Thank you, and may God Bless America, and for tonight, Russia.”
-------Bill O’Reilly, Host of the O’Reilly Factor on FOX News
Putin stood in front of the Kremlin, addressing the peoples of Russia, and the world.
“People of Russia, today, we have risen. We have said no to the corruption of our government. Soon I shall detail all of my policies, but one thing I shall tell you now. Every government official shall be fired. That is right, I am putting every office for reelection. Also, I will cut taxes and regulations on the people, so that every man with vision shall be able to lead and create their own wealth. And finally, I shall eliminate corruption and government inefficiency by combining our military and police. They will be fair and kind towards normal people, but I have given them the ability to eliminate the scourge of government corruption and inefficiency—with any means necessary. After that, the final enemy, the Red Mafia shall be eradicated from the very face of the Earth. Do not see this election as a victory for me. No, this is a victory for RUSSIA!!!”
The crowd chanted the name of their country along with their new President.
“Now, let us pray for our country...”
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Days Later...
Putin sat in a red couch, relaxing from the frustrations of the election by playing a round of Halo 2. He smiled as he launched a rocket into the face of a haughty French aristocrat.
“Who are you? You are incredible...” said the Frenchman.
“Putin. Vladimir Putin.”
“Heh? I got schooled by ze Prezidne of Russia?”
Putin turned off the X-Box when he heard an angry knock on the door. From outside he heard a familiar voice arguing with his guards.
“Look, punk. I could buy you ten times over, so don’t argue with me and let me in.”
“I can’t let you go in to see Mr. Putin without clearance.”
“I’ll have you killed!”
“I’ll die for Vladimir! He is Russia’s great hope, and my good friend!”
Putin smiled and yelled out.
“Let her in, Michael.”
“But...”
“It’s alright, Assad. But check her with an X-Ray first.”
“Ok, she’s clear.”
Ilona Srebrenitska thrust the door open, angrily striding in. She pointed at Putin furiously.
“You have some explaining to do, punk. You promised us that you would not touch the Mafia. But now, the blood of our men runs in the streets. Drug dealers, racketeers, all are being found dead. Tanks, armored vehicles, Humvees, jets, helicopters...This is war! You have declared war upon us! What about our deal?”
Putin sipped his drink, and looked up.
“I lied. I dislike lying, especially to essentially decent people like yourself, but it was necessary to avoid a civil war. Now I control the government, and you can do nothing to stop me. I have prevailed, Ilona. No, Russia has prevailed.
“No...”
“Look. I can offer you safe haven somewhere, to protect you from the wrath of the people. I’ll have mercy on you.”
Ilona’s body froze in shock. She crumpled to the ground, sobbing.
“Everything I’ve worked for...destroyed.”
“Take her away, and put her in the guest room for now. Do not worry, Ilona.”
He kneeled down, and pulled Ilona’s hand up.
“Do not shed tears. Life will be better for you now. Different, but better. Join your fellow countrymen in rebuilding this country, and you shall have a new chance for a better life. Do this, and God shall smile upon you again, as He will upon this beautiful land.”
Tears flowed from her eyes, but a weak smile emerged on her face. She left with guards, and Vladimir turned his sights towards the window.
This is now a new Russia. Nothing shall be the same...
OOC: His official policies will be posted soon. So, waddya think?

Well, it certainly isn't Russia as I had it.

Hey, would it be possible for me to add Gujarat to my list of territories? In the interest of territorial continuity, of course. I would be quite willing to give up West Bengal or Bihar if that's deemed necessary.

Well, it certainly isn't Russia as I had it.
What do you mean, specifically?

What do you mean, specifically?

Well, I could never imagine Prime Minister Entwistle jumping out of a helicopter...even when not on LSD.

That literally had me laughing out loud. Well, I think it makes it more interesting if my leader is not some fat old twit sitting in his couch, sputtering orders.

I have a population of just over 50million for Gujarat.
With Maharashtra (~97million), Madhya Pradesh (~60million), and Jharkhand (~27million) that's a base of around 234million, then Bihar (~83million) would bring it to about 317million, or West Bengal (~80million) to 314million. Both would of course then be up near 400million, as a basic guide.
I don't have a problem with you changing a little, again, so long as you settle down eventually, LRR ;)

And leaders? Pffft. Primitive savages, the lot of you.

On another note, I've started an RP thread here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7760246#post7760246

It's The Great Air Race; or How I Flew From London To Port Imperial in 283 Hours, 11 Minutes, and 42 Seconds.

Details are in the thread, but it's MW only, and should be a lot of fun...

I have a population of just over 50million for Gujarat.
With Maharashtra (~97million), Madhya Pradesh (~60million), and Jharkhand (~27million) that's a base of around 234million, then Bihar (~83million) would bring it to about 317million, or West Bengal (~80million) to 314million. Both would of course then be up near 400million, as a basic guide.
I don't have a problem with you changing a little, again, so long as you settle down eventually, LRR ;)

And leaders? Pffft. Primitive savages, the lot of you.

Ok, I think nI'm finally settled (more or less).

Check this out. I won't explain here, but I think it'll help the whole AMW thing out.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384982

Hey I have a few questions about population/territory.

1) can you just delcare a plausible population, or are you limited by real life populations for the same area?

2) is there a map of the modern world out there? because I have a map of al-ahzad and just want to be sure I can integrate it without any problems.

3) Nobody else has claims on yemen and oman, right? good.

4) do we have to play as RL nations or can we twist it? (al-ahzad is 90% ethnically turkish-persian despite being on the arabian penninsula)


and as one last note, it's great to see people like POJ and the African Commonwealth and Lusaka and Roycelandia and the LRR here. When I was kilean I hope I got a good feel for your nations, and I will probably be writing a few of you into Ahzadi history.

I'd join, but I have no idea who I would made claim to, since Russia has to be chosen along with China and North/South Korea.

Greetings All!

I'm fairly new to NS, but I'd like to apply for a place in MW, if you are still accepting any openings. I've looked at the posts and it doesn't look like the area I have in mind has been claimed.

Here's my proposal: The TransCaucasus Republic

This includes: Aremnia (Pop: 2,991,360)
Georgia (Pop: 4,693,892)
Azerbajian (Pop: 7,868,385)

Basically the premise of this nation is that Aremenia through military power (against Azerbajian) and through political dealings (Georgia) has come to primary power in the region and combined all 3 nations into one union. All in the region is not idealic as the enviroment is in shambles, religious and ethnic tensions remain, and the economy is not completly stable, although there is much mineral wealth, to include oil reserves that can be tapped in the future.

If this seems reasonable and you wish to see a sample of RPing, please let me know. I'm not great at RPing but I'm interested to improve and this looks like a good oppurtunity to learn.

Alright, I've read things over and I don't really have any disputes in terms of territory. Yemen and Oman aren't really claimed by anybody. Combined, they have a population of 23 million.

Just one very minor thing... the island of Socotra (Suqutra), which is part of Yemen in RL, is actually part of Roycelandian East Africa in MW. It's mainly used as a Communications Centre, Naval and Air Base, and, obviously, people live there too.

I think it's accepted that you use RL populations, but you don't have to RP the places you occupy as being exactly the same as their RL counterparts.

Just one very minor thing... the island of Socotra (Suqutra), which is part of Yemen in RL, is actually part of Roycelandian East Africa in MW. It's mainly used as a Communications Centre, Naval and Air Base, and, obviously, people live there too.

I think it's accepted that you use RL populations, but you don't have to RP the places you occupy as being exactly the same as their RL counterparts.


Don't you worry, the Island is marked as Roycelandian as the map I'm making. The population figures are the same, but in terms of culture, economics and politics, Al-Ahzad is nothing like real life Oman and Yemen.

Yeah, we work with basically real life populations, potentially allowing a tiny tweak here and there at most. As for culture and history, it's a mixed bag. Some nations, like France and the UK, have histories based in reality (except that other nations obviously mess things up a bit in the imperial sense) changing only in the modern day with a radical change in government. Beth Gellert, though, portrays a South Asia invaded almost two thousand years ago by Celts forced out of Turkey during the Roman expansion there and is as such radically different from the India/Sri Lanka we know. BG considers that the British Empire did exist, at least in India, as it just happens to perfectly fit my nation's political and economic evolution in the proper fashion en route to pure communism and direct democracy. But I digress with a hello to the dastardly Kilean :)

On another note, while the name Kill YOU Dead doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence, it appears that the fellow has at least done some reading into the situation and may be worth giving a chance.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=385998

well, everybody go there for a full writeup of Al-Ahzad's current status, past, economy, a map, everything, whatever...

it ran to, like, 9 pages in MSword. Hope it's detailed enough.

Hi there,

A friend and ally of mine, United Elias, asked me to consider joining the Modern World community and after reading a few RPs, I decided to give it a shot.

I'll try to uphold the quality of RP in the MW and commit time and effort to Modern World RPs, should you look favourable upon my admittance. I intend to use a puppet to separate my regular II RPs from MW RPs and not confuse anyone (especially myself :)). I'll give you a short overview of my planned nation.

Sabir:

Background:

Founded as a refugee state when the Kurdish freedom fighters, supported by Turkey, conquered Syria in the early '50s and later on Lebanon as their homeland, Kurdistan. Forced by a resolution of the UN, Turkey is obliged to split off a number of bordering provinces as new territory to Kurdistan as that area was filled with rebelling Kurds willing to join the new Kurdistan. Turkey eagerly complies when Kurdistan promises to engage in the exploitation of the oil fields in the south and export it for reasonable prices to Turkey. (Some violent Kurdish insurgency also helped in solving this matter ;))

A Syrian General kills off the democratic, Kurdish government a decade later in a coup d'etat and establishes a ruthless dictatorship, naming the country after his last name, Sabir. His main supporter was United Elias, under Soviet influence and weary of a NATO-approved Kurdish state right on their doorstep, so a friendly Arab dictator would be most welcome.

Population:

Syria: 18 million
Lebanon: 3.78 million
Hatay (Turkish province): 1.25 million
Gaziantep (Tp): 1.29 million
Şanlıurfa (Tp): 1.44 million
Kilis (Tp): 0.12 million
Mardin (Tp): 0.70 million
Osmaniye (Tp): 0.46 million
Diyarbakır (Tp): 1.36 million
Adiyaman (Tp): 0.62 million
Batman (Tp): 0.46 million
Sirnak (Tp): 0.35 million
Siirt (Tp): 0.26 million

Total: ~ 30 million

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Turkey)

Economy:

The Sabirian economy combines textile and clothing industries with oil deposits and iron ore mining being benefited from for both internal use and export. The market is privatized and offers western investors the chance to exploit the cheap labor force available, though Sabir cannot compete with Asian nations on that subject. Banking and high tech industries also slowly start to establish themselves, but the credibility for foreign investors is still lacking a bit and investments are going in really slow. Tourism, on the other hand, is flourishing and hotels and seaside resorts are popping up like mushrooms, bringing in precious foreign currency.

Military:

The regime is completely dependent on the armed forces for their security and well-being and a large proportion of the GPD, currently 6%, is devoted to the military. Equipment is mainly French and American hardware. Most equipment is aging, though everything is maintained well and most aircraft and ships have been upgraded, domestic electronics and software. The NCO corps is professional and trained rigorously on several academies dotting the countryside, but the officer corps is trained on a dozen different foreign military schools in exchange programs and this gives major doctrine and command problems.

I hope this gives you a good view of Sabir ( of course a much more detailed factbook will be in the works when the application is accepted)

this seems like a fantastic idea, and I want to sign on if possible.
I used to be 'etronia', but am remaking myself for ... my own nefarious purposes.
anyway, I would like to occupy iceland, although with a bit more population (I plan to be a fairly high-tech nation (within the bounds described), packing a good bit more than iceland's few hundred thousand in - around 1.5m?) Let me know if this isn't kosher, and if I can join :)

RL populations only....Existing technology only.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Although I have always assumed UE includes only the northern half of RL Saudi Arabia, I have decided to extend my claim to include the mostly empty South as well. This creates no territorial dispute and means UE extends right to the Al-Ahzad border, which makes more sense becuase of the history I have arranged with Al-Ahzad and allows me to have a real idea of what my population and oil resources are, as opposed to an estimate. This territory is so sparsely populated and arid that it would be impossible for a whole nation to locate there anyway, so I am not depriving anyone of anything. In actual many have assumed this was the case anyway and this change makes no difference to anybody, yet I thought I should notify MW members.

RL populations only....Existing technology only.


Understandable. Okay - I would like Iceland; CIA Factbook claims its population is right around 300,000.
Do I have to write anything up to join?

I doubt it, but it would help. I'm RPing as Russia, by the way.

In order to join, we need to have some record of a previous RPing experience, and you need to be ratified by at least two MODERN WORLD members. I suggest that you get some experience before you try.
King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.