NationStates Jolt Archive

How ridiculous are you becoming next? What good would such a oath be? Do i get charged with perjury if i make fun of australians? If not, its useless. If there is a charge, where is the freedom of expression, a right upheld in Australia iirc?
What would be disrespectful, anyway? And what is australian culture?

Of course you don't get charge with perjury for make fun of Australians. It's just a little thing you sign to emphasize how seriously we take crimes committed by foreigners.

Well, this is where we get into conspiracy theories.

Not really. I mean, college places are reserved for minorities because of their race.

Which is what I was saying...you seem to make skin colour the only criterion for whether or not people fit together.

At any rate, whatever you believe political correctness to be, denial of nations is not one of its aspects.

And what is so complicated to understand about being able to say that ethnic groups have differences, but these are superficial and make no difference to the things that really matter?

If skin colour was my criterion I'd be ok with some asians moving to europe. Because some asians got kinda white skin colour....

I guess we wont agree what's superficial....

So the oath would be completely useless? What would be its purpose then? And why is a crime committed by a tourist or legal alien or immigrant any graver than by a naturalised or born australian? If i steal 100 dollars from you, do you have a greater loss than from a australian pickpocket taking the same amount?

Not really. I mean, college places are reserved for minorities because of their race.
PC people only judge people by their actions if they're white. Or Israeli. Besides that, it's because they're confused, or they had a hard life, or shit like that...
Non sequitur

Not really. I mean, college places are reserved for minorities because of their race.
So not being "PC" is to believe that one race is different from another, but not that they might therefore be treated differently in society?

LOL
How can americans be anti-immigration when they all are immigrant descendants?
The only true American are the Indias, wich to you made what you made, so htf can you be against immigrants?You're one of them!

So not being "PC" is to believe that one race is different from another, but not that they might therefore be treated differently in society?

"PC people" keep accusing anyone who thinks differently from them as racist. But they support affirmative action which technically is racist too...

"PC people" keep accusing anyone who thinks differently from them as racist. But they support affirmative action which technically is racist too...
I still don't quite know what exactly you consider to be a "PC Person". Because if you define "PC" by those criteria you mention, then your statement is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I can neither accept nor refute it.

As for any accusations...the answers are easy to get:
http://dictionary.reference.com/
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
ra·cial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rsh-lzm)
n.

1. An emphasis on race or racial considerations, as in determining policy or interpreting events.
2. Policy or practice based on racial considerations.
3. Chiefly British: Variant of racism.

If skin colour was my criterion I'd be ok with some asians moving to europe. Because some asians got kinda white skin colour....

I guess we wont agree what's superficial....

Then again some black people have lighter skin than some white people. Make of that what you will.

That's what they say, but it's not how they act. "Reverse" racism, my friend.
What exactly is reverse Racism anyways?

What a silly name people give things... specialy this one.

Then again some black people have lighter skin than some white people. Make of that what you will.

Do they? This is not NS RPing. In real life no black got lighter skin than whites unless a white person get tanned in sun for a very looong time...

I still don't quite know what exactly you consider to be a "PC Person". Because if you define "PC" by those criteria you mention, then your statement is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and I can neither accept nor refute it.

As for any accusations...the answers are easy to get:
http://dictionary.reference.com/

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Discrimination based on race. So everyone supporting affirmative action including those PC obsessed people are racist...

When they become muslims, they cease to be Swedish/Italian/American/etc. They swear allegiance only to allah.

I assume you have no religion, then?

ALso - I guess you have to refrain from having any political affiliations, no?

What about family? Lot's of people put family 'first'...?

Discrimination based on race. So everyone supporting affirmative action including those PC obsessed people are racist...
It's positive discrimination, but it is discrimination, yes. But then, you still haven't defined "PC" for me.

Do they?

Yes.

This is not NS RPing.

Yes.

In real life no black got lighter skin than whites unless a white person get tanned in sun for a very looong time...

If you look at the area surrounding the Mediterranean, for example, you would find many instances of people who would be classified as white who in fact have darker skin tone naturally than some people who would be classified as black.

Yes.



Yes.



If you look at the area surrounding the Mediterranean, for example, you would find many instances of people who would be classified as white who in fact have darker skin tone naturally than some people who would be classified as black.

Err, I dont accept egyptians or morrocans as white....

Terrorists recruiting white muslims:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/ap_on_re_eu/terror_recruiting_white_muslims_lh1

Oh, so it isn't a racial issue?

No.

I mean - if 'dark' skins AND 'white' skins are 'being recruited'... it's OBVIOUSLY not a 'racial' issue. Surely?

I was talking about ethnic swedes, ethnic italians and white americans. There'd be very few muslims in this group....
When I talk about muslims, I'm talking about non-ethnic-european muslims...

SO you ARE talking about 'race'.

SO you ARE talking about 'race'.

there's no 'ethnic swede' race...

Err, I dont accept egyptians or morrocans as white....

Irrelevant: there are some Egyptians who have lighter skin than, for example, Spaniards or Italians.

No genetic testing required...You can usually tell by looking...

How?

Colour of skin perhaps?

there's no 'ethnic swede' race...

Sorry - didn't you say:

"I was talking about ethnic swedes, ethnic italians and white americans. There'd be very few muslims in this group....
When I talk about muslims, I'm talking about non-ethnic-european muslims..."

?

Irrelevant: there are some Egyptians who have lighter skin than, for example, Spaniards or Italians.

Those egyptians would be extreme minority.

Sorry - didn't you say:

"I was talking about ethnic swedes, ethnic italians and white americans. There'd be very few muslims in this group....
When I talk about muslims, I'm talking about non-ethnic-european muslims..."

?

Read the post about spectrum. Just a couple pages back. Dont expect me to repeat myself 10 times...

How?

Colour of skin perhaps?

Among other things, yes...

That's what they say, but it's not how they act. "Reverse" racism, my friend.

I don't think you are being entirely truthful.

I consider myself fairly 'PC' I guess... I don't discriminate based on colour, gender, religious affiliation, nation of origin, age, disability... the only time I 'discriminate' is when an individual does something specifically against me, and then I will 'discriminate' against that SPECIFIC individual.

Someone kicks your dog, you don't invite THAT 'someone' back to your house, kind of thing.

But - I am against what they call 'positive discrimination'... ANY form of discrimination IS discrimination. ANd, if you, for example, fill a job with a 'black' candidate that isn't BEST qualified, I believe you have discriminated AGAINST the 'better' candidate because of THEIR race.

Because USA, Australia, etc...They are already immigration societies. And white people arent native to there anyways. Besides USA is a lost case. It is considered racism there I guess to even debate illegal immigration. Being obsessively PC is a requirement there I guess. And whites will lose their majority within the 1st half of this century, according to your goverment statistics anyways. If americans are ready for such a huge change in such a short time, they are a lost case about being told conserving their society...

And you pretend this isn't about race. Who do you think you're fooling? USA is a lost cause because whites will lose the majority? Yeah, we didn't notice that one at all. /sarcasm

Read the post about spectrum. Just a couple pages back. Dont expect me to repeat myself 10 times...

You aren't going to admit you just SPECIFICALLY contradicted yourself?

I just posted one of your posts where you talked about 'ethnic swedes', in response to a post where you said there is no such thing as ethnic swedes.

Direct contradiction, my friend.

How can I expect you to repeat/not repeat yourself "10 times", when you contradict your OWN statements?

I assume you have no religion, then?

ALso - I guess you have to refrain from having any political affiliations, no?

What about family? Lot's of people put family 'first'...?

There's a difference between families and countries. But yes, people should hold their country above their religion. I do (I think I can best be called Agnostic, but whoever's up there seems to like being referred to as "Odin," so I do >_>).

Those egyptians would be extreme minority.

Quite possibly, but the question is would you be happier with such light skinned Egyptians moving to Sweden rather than dark skinned Spaniards or Italians?

Among other things, yes...

Then, you admit you ARE talking about 'race'?

Two contradictions in as many pages....

It's not racial. I'd be against large number of white italians moving here too. Some are ok but not a large number. But this is just an example, such a thing would never happen as they'd have to be crazy to leave a country like italy to move here. It's a spectrum. Swedes are definately more compatible than italians. And italians are more compatible than americans. And americans are much more compatible then muslims...
See, as an american who were raised in the 'melting pot', such nationalist comments are very foreign to you. And that's why you guys always equate anti-immigrant with racism. But it's not on the basis of skin colour...

When you make it about whether or not my girlfriend has the 'good' white genes, people are going to come up with it being racism. Particularly when you claim you're trying to preserve blond hair and when you claim that white people aren't going to be a majority in America much longer and that it makes the USA a lost cause. Honestly, do you think anyone doesn't see through this tripe?

By the way, you do realize the some Scandanavians become Muslims? You do realize that some Italians ARE Muslims? You do realize that some Americans ARE Muslims. Muslims is not a race or an ethnicity, it's a religion.

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait, nationalism is foreign to us? That's it. I'm not defending you anymore. This is ridiculous. You're just making stuff up.

It's positive discrimination, but it is discrimination, yes. But then, you still haven't defined "PC" for me.

Seeing the world through PC eyes? If it helps minorities and puts down whites, it's POSITIVE discrimination.

And you pretend this isn't about race. Who do you think you're fooling? USA is a lost cause because whites will lose the majority? Yeah, we didn't notice that one at all. /sarcasm

It is a lost cause because you cant tell them about ethnical conservation of society. It's so foreign to them...

When they become muslims, they cease to be Swedish/Italian/American/etc. They swear allegiance only to allah.

Hahaha. You mean like Christians swear allegiance to God (the same God called Allah by Muslims). Your Aryan-goggles are actually getting thicker.

You aren't going to admit you just SPECIFICALLY contradicted yourself?

I just posted one of your posts where you talked about 'ethnic swedes', in response to a post where you said there is no such thing as ethnic swedes.

Direct contradiction, my friend.

How can I expect you to repeat/not repeat yourself "10 times", when you contradict your OWN statements?

When did I say there's no ethnic swedes? Maybe you have to read more carefully. Or maybe you just wanted to see me contradict myself, you were dreaming....

Hahaha. You mean like Christians swear allegiance to God (the same God called Allah by Muslims). Your Aryan-goggles are actually getting thicker.

When push comes to shove, most normal Christians will just roll over and say "Yeah, I pledge allegiance to [insert country here]."

And it's not the same god. They don't have a Holy Trinity? Then it's not the same god. End of story.

I was talking about ethnic swedes, ethnic italians and white americans. There'd be very few muslims in this group....
When I talk about muslims, I'm talking about non-ethnic-european muslims...

Good thing it's not about race. Last I checked white Americans are not ethnic Americans even by your own admission. White Americans are just a subgroup of the groups, AMERICANS. And there are lots of Muslim Americans, some of them white. There are ethnic swedes and ethnic italians who are Muslim and they would have something to say about your declaration that they are not longer swedes and italians.

When push comes to shove, most normal Christians will just roll over and say "Yeah, I pledge allegiance to [insert country here]."

And it's not the same god. They don't have a Holy Trinity? Then it's not the same god. End of story.
Protestants believe in a different god than catholics?

And it's not the same god. They don't have a Holy Trinity? Then it's not the same god. End of story.

Ergo, the God of Abraham != the God of Matthew?

Protestants believe in a different god than catholics?

Since when did mainstream Protestants not nominally believe in a divine trinity?

Ny Nordland, in which part of Norway do you live?

When push comes to shove, most normal Christians will just roll over and say "Yeah, I pledge allegiance to [insert country here]."

And it's not the same god. They don't have a Holy Trinity? Then it's not the same god. End of story.

When it comes down to it so will most 'normal' Muslims. Do you think there are no Muslims in the military? In the military of the US, you are REQUIRED not to just swear allegiance to your country but also to the corps (or other branch). And interestingly enough, the order of allegiance is God, country, corps.

It is the same God. All three groups started from the same group worshipping the same God and some branches broke off. They never switched to another God, i.e. same God. It's like claiming that Baptists believe in a different God than Catholics.

It is a lost cause because you cant tell them about ethnical conservation of society. It's so foreign to them...
Is conserving it for its own sake any good? Or is it because you deem it superiour?

If human race learned something in the twentieth century, then it surely is that religious believe is something to avoid.
If we have to learn something about the history of the twentieth century, then it surely is that nationalism has only lead to war and conflict and is as dogmatic as religion.
Both nationalism and religion alienate. They take away the attention of real problems like hunger in the world, unequality, etc etc

When did I say there's no ethnic swedes? Maybe you have to read more carefully. Or maybe you just wanted to see me contradict myself, you were dreaming....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10807194&postcount=1270

"there's no 'ethnic swede' race...

Directly contradicting:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10806835&postcount=1225

"I was talking about ethnic swedes, ethnic italians and white americans. There'd be very few muslims in this group....
When I talk about muslims, I'm talking about non-ethnic-european muslims...

You did contradict yourself, my friend.

It's right there, in black-and-white pixels.

So - It is not a matter of my needing to "read more carefully", or "dreaming".

I'm expecting an apology.

When you make it about whether or not my girlfriend has the 'good' white genes, people are going to come up with it being racism. Particularly when you claim you're trying to preserve blond hair and when you claim that white people aren't going to be a majority in America much longer and that it makes the USA a lost cause. Honestly, do you think anyone doesn't see through this tripe?

By the way, you do realize the some Scandanavians become Muslims? You do realize that some Italians ARE Muslims? You do realize that some Americans ARE Muslims. Muslims is not a race or an ethnicity, it's a religion.

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait, nationalism is foreign to us? That's it. I'm not defending you anymore. This is ridiculous. You're just making stuff up.

Nationalism in ethnic sense is foreign to you, americans...

I wouldnt say 'good' white genes...

What if 0.0000000001% of muslims are scandinavian convert? They are an extreme minority so they can be ignored in context of my debates...

I am against immigration of non-ethnic-europeans to europe...Within europe I'm against immigration of large ethnic groups to another country (ex: 10 million german moving to spain...I know unlikely but as an example) Call me what you want. But you can call many things/people racist. Ex: people who support affirmative action. My beliefs arent because I think X is superior than Y. But it is because that if this is the native place of X, X must be like 98% of the population here...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10807194&postcount=1270



Directly contradicting:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10806835&postcount=1225



You did contradict yourself, my friend.

It's right there, in black-and-white pixels.

So - It is not a matter of my needing to "read more carefully", or "dreaming".

I'm expecting an apology.


There are ethnic swedes. It is not a race though. ex: both ethnic swedes and ethinc italians are white...
Now I'm expecting an apology...

Since when did mainstream Protestants not nominally believe in a divine trinity?
O.K. [insert appropriate excuse here]....nevermind. Have some Marcolini.

When it comes down to it so will most 'normal' Muslims. Do you think there are no Muslims in the military? In the military of the US, you are REQUIRED not to just swear allegiance to your country but also to the corps (or other branch).

In this case, they would not be a true muslim. This would defy the koran, and they believe that the koran is written BY ALLAH. Whereas Christians do not (they actually discard large amounts of it as background, like creation).

And interestingly enough, the order of allegiance is God, country, corps.

Which is probably more of an anti-Soviet thing than pro-God.

It is the same God. All three groups started from the same group worshipping the same God and some branches broke off. They never switched to another God, i.e. same God. It's like claiming that Baptists believe in a different God than Catholics.

Baptists are still of the accepted Christian tradition. They follow the core beliefs of Christianity. They have the same god. muslims do not, because they do not accept what is possibly the single most important aspect of Christianity: the Trinity.

Nationalism in ethnic sense is foreign to you, americans...

I wouldnt say 'good' white genes...

What if 0.0000000001% of muslims are scandinavian convert? They are an extreme minority so they can be ignored in context of my debates...

I am against immigration of non-ethnic-europeans to europe...Within europe I'm against immigration of large ethnic groups to another country (ex: 10 million german moving to spain...I know unlikely but as an example) Call me what you want. But you can call many things/people racist. Ex: people who support affirmative action. My beliefs arent because I think X is superior than Y. But it is because that if this is the native place of X, X must be like 98% of the population here...

You know, of course, that immigration isn't going to stop just because people like you wish to live in insular communities.

What are you going to DO about the fact that Norway WILL become part of the multicultural world?

Is conserving it for its own sake any good? Or is it because you deem it superiour?

I want to conserve pandas too. Not because they are superior than bears. I know they are not same species but they look close...

That explains a lot.



Yes, the Quakers. They're truly a cornerstone of human society.

More Aryan-goggle goodness. I love how many exceptions these guys have to make in order for their points not to fall apart. How about Mormons? How about scientologists?

You know, of course, that immigration isn't going to stop just because people like you wish to live in insular communities.

What are you going to DO about the fact that Norway WILL become part of the multicultural world?

Future isnt yet written. FrP is the 2nd biggest party here...

There are ethnic swedes. It is not a race though. ex: both ethnic swedes and ethinc italians are white...
Now I'm expecting an apology...

So - 'ethnic swedes' and 'ethnic italians' are the same, then?

You consider 'white' to be a 'race'?

No genetic testing required...You can usually tell by looking...

I see. Good thing this isn't racism.

I want to conserve pandas too. Not because they are superior than bears. I know they are not same species but they look close...

Again, caught in your own racist rhetoric.

So - it is how you 'look' that matters..?

That post is really close to my kind of thinking. You grouped the most compatible ones together....

No, he didn't. He grouped the ones that look most alike together. You prove this about how people look with every post.

More Aryan-goggle goodness. I love how many exceptions these guys have to make in order for their points not to fall apart. How about Mormons? How about scientologists?

Problem understanding demographics?

There are 6.5 billion humans on Earth. 1.2 billion of them are muslim. That's a lot.

Now, how many Quakers, Mormon and Scientologists are there?

Ny Nordland, in which part of Norway do you live?

Why? ;)
Thank god I'm not in Oslo...

Future isnt yet written. FrP is the 2nd biggest party here...

Do you not study history in your nation?

What ALWAYS happens to cultures that practise 'isolationism'?

What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity?

More Aryan-goggle goodness. I love how many exceptions these guys have to make in order for their points not to fall apart. How about Mormons? How about scientologists?

To be fair I don't think the US electorate have ever made a Mormon or a Scientologist their president, which does seem to suggest they are a touch more sidelined than the Society of Friends.

What are you going to DO about the fact that Norway WILL become part of the multicultural world?

Multiculturalism won't work. Cultures naturally compete.

or melt together?

Surely a greek and turk is more compatible then a greek and a swede. That doesnt mean greeks&turks are close. You gave the names of 6 nationalities there and you grouped the closest ones together. This means within all those PC, you do recognize some differences which PC people always deny. (ex: we are all same)

He grouped them by the ones that look most alike, not the ones that are most compatible. You prove that what people look like it the most important factor to you. I think we have a name for that. Anyone remember what it is? Racism.

Hitler was a big fan of the blue-eyed blond people too. Was it not racism because he was specific like you are specific?

What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity?

Please, sir! Sir! Sir? Is it this?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/3/36/300px-Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg
http://cidc.library.cornell.edu/DOF/italy/images/Musso/hanging.jpg
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/Physique/bombe-nagasaki.jpg

Again, caught in your own racist rhetoric.

So - it is how you 'look' that matters..?

Yeah...Looks matter to me

To be fair I don't think the US electorate have ever made a Mormon or a Scientologist their president, which does seem to suggest they are a touch more sidelined than the Society of Friends.

Or a Muslim. Or a Jew. But they have made a Quaker. Kind of destroys his point, don't you think?

Do you not study history in your nation?

What ALWAYS happens to cultures that practise 'isolationism'?

What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity?

The same thing that happens to cultures that practise multiculturalism and internationalism: they collapse hilariously.

The same thing that happens to cultures that practise multiculturalism and internationalism: they collapse hilariously.


Now that's an argument to say we should erase all borders and form 1 culture!

Do you not study history in your nation?

What ALWAYS happens to cultures that practise 'isolationism'?

What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity?

Isolationism in sense of banning immigration and isolationism in sense of shutting yourself to world completely (which cant be done in 21st century) are different things.
Again, anti-immigration is not ethnic superiority.
You PC people are poor at recognizing differences...

Or a Muslim. Or a Jew. But they have made a Quaker. Kind of destroys his point, don't you think?

The fact that he should have been buried upside down in a garbage pail, to quote Hunter S Thompson, is neither here nor there.

Please, sir! Sir! Sir? Is it this?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/3/36/300px-Red_army_soldiers_raising_the_soviet_flag_on_the_roof_of_the_reichstag_berlin_germany.jpg
http://cidc.library.cornell.edu/DOF/italy/images/Musso/hanging.jpg
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/Physique/bombe-nagasaki.jpg

Yes. And now we have more money than all but one allied nation. Loser.

Problem understanding demographics?

There are 6.5 billion humans on Earth. 1.2 billion of them are muslim. That's a lot.

Now, how many Quakers, Mormon and Scientologists are there?

I see. So how many people do they have to be in order to not be the exception to you?

I simply notice that those in this thread who refuse to listen to reason seem to have to make a lot of exceptions to their own points. It's usually a pretty good sign that their generalizations are faulty. But, hey, why let good solid reason get in the way of your rhetoric. Carry on, good fellow.

or melt together?

Nope. The larger one just absorbs the smaller ones, with superficial differences in the final result.

Yes. And now we have more money than all but one allied nation. Loser.

'we' being Australia?

He grouped them by the ones that look most alike, not the ones that are most compatible. You prove that what people look like it the most important factor to you. I think we have a name for that. Anyone remember what it is? Racism.

Hitler was a big fan of the blue-eyed blond people too. Was it not racism because he was specific like you are specific?

He believed in superiority, I dont.
He was also very violent, I'm not.

Or a Muslim. Or a Jew. But they have made a Quaker. Kind of destroys his point, don't you think?

Who's the Quaker that was elected?

Since when did mainstream Protestants not nominally believe in a divine trinity?

I don't and I've never been to a church that did that wasn't Lutheran or Catholic. There is God and there is Jesus. That's only two and Jesus is God.

Is this another one of those pointless threads where people take someone elses cultural preferences and turn it into racism, then procede to attempt to explain why racism is morally wrong? If it is just tell me so that I don't have to waste my time reading all 88 pages of the thread.

Nope. The larger one just absorbs the smaller ones, with superficial differences in the final result.

that's just great! the same thing should happen to social status!

He believed in superiority, I dont.
He was also very violent, I'm not.
Racism doesn't require either of those things.

Please, sir! Sir! Sir? Is it this?



That red army flag waving? Are you saying if we elect an anti-immigrant goverment, the russians will come and rape all our women?

Multiculturalism won't work. Cultures naturally compete.

Read your history books. Everyone competes. THEN, what happens?

Who's the Quaker that was elected?

Take a guess. Go on.

I see. So how many people do they have to be in order to not be the exception to you?

I simply notice that those in this thread who refuse to listen to reason seem to have to make a lot of exceptions to their own points. It's usually a pretty good sign that their generalizations are faulty. But, hey, why let good solid reason get in the way of your rhetoric. Carry on, good fellow.

Personal attacks. The last resort of the unskilled writer.

There are not so many Quakers, Mormons and Scientologists. There are easily, EASILY more muslims that all of those put together. Learn ratios.

Read your history books. Everyone competes. THEN, what happens?

some leader stands up, says he's the new messiah and is able to join all forces?

Personal attacks. The last resort of the unskilled writer.

There are not so many Quakers, Mormons and Scientologists. There are easily, EASILY more muslims that all of those put together. Learn ratios.

Irrelevant seeing as how the issue was raised by you make absolutist comments.

The muslims are the only ones who have gone out of the way to say that they won't.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10806711&postcount=1222

Is this another one of those pointless threads where people take someone elses cultural preferences and turn it into racism, then procede to attempt to explain why racism is morally wrong? If it is just tell me so that I don't have to waste my time reading all 88 pages of the thread.

It's a way PC people use to disregard opinions the dont agree with. By calling them racist...

'we' being Australia?

We being whatever blood or nationality I'm obviously referring to at the time.

You have no argument, so you bring up the war. Charming. You should write for the Herald Sun, I heard they need new employees.

Is this another one of those pointless threads where people take someone elses cultural preferences and turn it into racism, then procede to attempt to explain why racism is morally wrong? If it is just tell me so that I don't have to waste my time reading all 88 pages of the thread.

It's a way PC people use to disregard opinions they dont agree with. By calling them racist...

It's a way PC people use to disregard opinions they dont agree with. By calling them racist...

Oh, I see. I'll try to keep away fro the thread then. Thanks. :fluffle:

that's just great! the same thing should happen to social status!

Yes. The world of 2200 follows sharia law. But now, we have McDonalds. 'Tis truly a utopian age we live in.

I don't and I've never been to a church that did that wasn't Lutheran or Catholic. There is God and there is Jesus. That's only two and Jesus is God.

No, no he isn't. Which shows how much you know about Christianity.

Nationalism in ethnic sense is foreign to you, americans...

It is? I'm sure that's a surprise to Americans. I suppose there is not a Polish town in Chicago. There aren't Irish Pride parades. Yep. They don't exist. Is there any points you have about Americans you didn't learn in pamphlets?

I wouldnt say 'good' white genes...

What if 0.0000000001% of muslims are scandinavian convert? They are an extreme minority so they can be ignored in context of my debates...

I'm pointing out that you have a generalized rule that doesn't work because I can poke holes in it all day with things you call 'exceptions'. In the end your problem is that people have to be 'pure' genetically. That's racism. PURE and simple.

I am against immigration of non-ethnic-europeans to europe...Within europe I'm against immigration of large ethnic groups to another country (ex: 10 million german moving to spain...I know unlikely but as an example) Call me what you want. But you can call many things/people racist. Ex: people who support affirmative action. My beliefs arent because I think X is superior than Y. But it is because that if this is the native place of X, X must be like 98% of the population here...
Fortunately, your beliefs are not held by the majority of the world. In reality, I simply have to wait and they will go away. We have shown throughout the thread that they are based on gross generalizations and attempts to make people into something they are not. You call Turks and Greeks compatible because they happen to look alike. You make extremely gross generalizations about Muslims and pretend like you're not arguing superiority. I suppose when you make comments about how they treat women, you're not judging them inferior, are you?

Your argument has been annihilated because you can't just openly admit this is about racism, so you circle around the truth while your points go down the drain one by one. Everyone here sees it but you and perhaps K-P, whose points are doing the same thing.

We being whatever blood or nationality I'm obviously referring to at the time.

I'm still not following. Which blood or nationality now has 'more money than all but one allied nation'?

You have no argument, so you bring up the war. Charming. You should write for the Herald Sun, I heard they need new employees.

A valid answer to the question What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity? But, hey, maybe we should just dispense with looking to see what lessons history could teach us.

No, no he isn't. Which shows how much you know about Christianity.

I'm a Christian. And are you actually claim that the majority of Christians do not believe that Jesus was God?

Now that's an argument to say we should erase all borders and form 1 culture!

Yes. And make the next collapse even MORE fun!

Personal attacks. The last resort of the unskilled writer.

There are not so many Quakers, Mormons and Scientologists. There are easily, EASILY more muslims that all of those put together. Learn ratios.

Personal attacks. You actually did this. It's not about you, it's about your argument. Take it personally if you like, but the fact is you have to call everything that combats your point an 'exception' because if you don't your point crumbles. That's called a denial of reason.

Your argument has been annihilated because you can't just openly admit this is about racism, so you circle around the truth while your points go down the drain one by one. Everyone here sees it but you and perhaps K-P, whose points are doing the same thing.

Oh, it's definitely about racism. Everybody who isn't from the West has a bad culture, beliefs systems and values.

There, I said it.

Yes. And make the next collapse even MORE fun!

what collapse? I thought all people would live in peace by then?

A valid answer to the question What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity? But, hey, maybe we should just dispense with looking to see what lessons history could teach us.

Well, since there's only been one, you tell me.

Personal attacks. You actually did this. It's not about you, it's about your argument. Take it personally if you like, but the fact is you have to call everything that combats your point an 'exception' because if you don't your point crumbles. That's called a denial of reason.

What exceptions? The Quakers, Scientologists and Mormons have NO POWER ON THE WORLD STAGE! You're just making shit up.

Not really. I mean, college places are reserved for minorities because of their race.

Not in the US. The Surpeme Court ruled that race cannot be used in this matter. Quotas are illegal.

Well, since there's only been one, you tell me.

There has only been one culture that practised 'ethnic' superioity?

What exceptions? The Quakers, Scientologists and Mormons have NO POWER ON THE WORLD STAGE! You're just making shit up.

So the fact that you were wrong doesn't hold unless the people you were wrong about have enough converts? Interesting. But you're still wrong.

Why? ;)
Thank god I'm not in Oslo...
Because I have my doubts that you are serious with all this. I am also wondering whether or not you are really Norwegian. This suspicion is based partly on your lack of hometown/local examples of your precious culture, your failure to write a single word in norwegian, and your underlying humorous tone.

You also failed to jump at my post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10791860&postcount=199) which any Norwegian with your views should do. You didn't even bother to whine about it.:)


Were I to stir up discussion, it would be pretty similar.

Also, in case you are serious, I'd like to know which part of Norway breeds those opinions. And why.

what collapse? I thought all people would live in peace by then?

Everything collapses.

There has only been one culture that practised 'ethnic' superioity?

At least only one that I know of, that did it actively. The rest sort of just did it because it was... well, that's how it was back then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodies Without Organs
A valid answer to the question What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity? But, hey, maybe we should just dispense with looking to see what lessons history could teach us.



Well, since there's only been one, you tell me.

as far as I know The states and Western Europe are both cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiority. Perhaps not in words, perhaps not that obviously, but all the more dangerous. Just the same as they are both paternalistic cultures, although most of the people agree that men and women are equal. In words, yes, but not in real life nowadays. Someday, I hope.
That's why people in higher positions are white males

correction: sorry I didn't meant paternalistic but patriarchy (i don't know how to say it in correct english) I guess you understand my point anyway

Irrelevant seeing as how the issue was raised by you make absolutist comments.



http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10806711&postcount=1222

Yes, he was proven wrong so he has to call the proof an 'exception'. He's been doing it for, oh, 90 pages.

At least only one that I know of, that did it actively. The rest sort of just did it because it was... well, that's how it was back then.Maybe you should read up on European and world history then. There's quite a bunch of "ethnic superiority" instances that come to mind.

It's a way PC people use to disregard opinions the dont agree with. By calling them racist...

Or perhaps it's that skin color is the best measure of commonality for you. Or do we need to quote you?

Yes, he was proven wrong so he has to call the proof an 'exception'. He's been doing it for, oh, 90 pages.What do you expect from a second generation immigrant that hates immigrants?

I don't and I've never been to a church that did that wasn't Lutheran or Catholic. There is God and there is Jesus. That's only two and Jesus is God.
There is also that 'spiritus sanctum' dude. The three are one, father, son, and holy spirit. Each and all are god. That means Jeasus is God. So is the father. And the spirit.

It is? I'm sure that's a surprise to Americans. I suppose there is not a Polish town in Chicago. There aren't Irish Pride parades. Yep. They don't exist. Is there any points you have about Americans you didn't learn in pamphlets?



I'm pointing out that you have a generalized rule that doesn't work because I can poke holes in it all day with things you call 'exceptions'. In the end your problem is that people have to be 'pure' genetically. That's racism. PURE and simple.


Fortunately, your beliefs are not held by the majority of the world. In reality, I simply have to wait and they will go away. We have shown throughout the thread that they are based on gross generalizations and attempts to make people into something they are not. You call Turks and Greeks compatible because they happen to look alike. You make extremely gross generalizations about Muslims and pretend like you're not arguing superiority. I suppose when you make comments about how they treat women, you're not judging them inferior, are you?

Your argument has been annihilated because you can't just openly admit this is about racism, so you circle around the truth while your points go down the drain one by one. Everyone here sees it but you and perhaps K-P, whose points are doing the same thing.

Is there 1 american ethnicity americans base their nationalism? You have to understand, as a non-European, that basing nationalism on one ethnicity has been seen throughout our history. But it was never in your history...

So you want 0 racism? Ban affirmative action. Jail a girl who says blacks have big c****. Force everyone to have sex until all human species is one race. Ban use of the word black power. Anything that is radical and fundemental is stupid and dangerous. So being radically anti-racist like you is stupid too.
And it's Funny. You sound like a "PC People crowd". Yet you cant tolerate opposing views. You brand them racist and anything racist must be dismmised.
My argument has not been annihilated because it doesnt defend violence.
I dont care what the majority of world thinks. I care about Europe. Europeans are already like 7% of the world. So even if 100% of them agree with me, our views would be minority so you neednt have to worry about us...

There is also that 'spiritus sanctum' dude. The three are one, father, son, and holy spirit. Each and all are god. That means Jeasus is God. So is the father. And the spirit.

Again, I've never heard that in any church I've been to EXCEPT Lutheran and Catholic. I've never even heard the term 'Holy Trinity' in a Baptist Church and certainly not "Spiritus Sanctum".

There is also that 'spiritus sanctum' dude. The three are one, father, son, and holy spirit. Each and all are god. That means Jeasus is God. So is the father. And the spirit.


And they are all dead. Amen.

So the fact that you were wrong doesn't hold unless the people you were wrong about have enough converts? Interesting. But you're still wrong.

What the fuck are you talking about?

There are 600 thousand Quakers. 11 million Mormons. 55 thousand Scientologists. And 1.2 billion muslims.

Pop Quiz: Which of these groups has the power and influence to affect the world in a big way?

Is there 1 american ethnicity americans base their nationalism? You have to understand, as a non-European, that basing nationalism on one ethnicity has been seen throughout our history. But it was never in your history...

So you want 0 racism? Ban affirmative action. Jail a girl who says blacks have big c****. Force everyone to have sex until all human species is one race. Ban use of the word black power. Anything that is radical and fundemental is stupid and dangerous. So being radically anti-racist like you is stupid too.
And it's Funny. You sound like a "PC People crowd". Yet you cant tolerate opposing views. You brand them racist and anything racist must be dismmised.
My argument has not been annihilated because it doesnt defend violence.
I dont care what the majority of world thinks. I care about Europe. Europeans are already like 7% of the world. So even if 100% of them agree with me, our views would be minority so you neednt have to worry about us...


I don't care about europe, I don't care about my country, I only care about the world and the people that live on it. What's wrong with me doctor?

What do you expect from a second generation immigrant that hates immigrants?

I never call it an exception, it's fact. A religion of 55000 people does not make a difference.

What the fuck are you talking about?

There are 600 thousand Quakers. 11 million Mormons. 55 thousand Scientologists. And 1.2 billion muslims.

Pop Quiz: Which of these groups has the power and influence to affect the world in a big way?

I guess scientologists 'cause they've got the money and know how to lobby?

There is also that 'spiritus sanctum' dude. The three are one, father, son, and holy spirit. Each and all are god. That means Jeasus is God. So is the father. And the spirit.

Jesus is not God. Quit while you're ahead, I take Religion & Society at school.

Again, I've never heard that in any church I've been to EXCEPT Lutheran and Catholic. I've never even heard the term 'Holy Trinity' in a Baptist Church and certainly not "Spiritus Sanctum".
did you say EXCEPT? whoops, [insert appropriate excuse here], have a marcolini...probably the best chocolate in the world...

I guess scientologists 'cause they've got the money and know how to lobby?

WRONG! The muslims, because they have their own theocracies and they can burn down embassies without being punished.

Is there 1 american ethnicity americans base their nationalism? You have to understand, as a non-European, that basing nationalism on one ethnicity has been seen throughout our history. But it was never in your history...

Are you kidding? I can see you are very experienced in our history. Your knowledge on this subject humbles me. Tell me more oh great American history buff.

So you want 0 racism? Ban affirmative action. Jail a girl who says blacks have big c****. Force everyone to have sex until all human species is one race. Ban use of the word black power. Anything that is radical and fundemental is stupid and dangerous. So being radically anti-racist like you is stupid too.
And it's Funny. You sound like a "PC People crowd". Yet you cant tolerate opposing views. You brand them racist and anything racist must be dismmised.

Nice strawman. Did I suggest you deserve any of these things. Affirmative action isn't racism. If you'd like to discuss it, start a thread. I'm sure TCT would be happy to teach you about it because you clearly don't have the first clue.

I'm radically anti-racist? How? Please quote me. Is it radically anti-racist to think there are more important things to concern ourselves with than how people look? I never claimed skin color doesn't exist or that blond hair doesn't. But it's certainly not nearly as important as what people believe and what they hold dear.

My argument has not been annihilated because it doesnt defend violence.
I dont care what the majority of world thinks. I care about Europe. Europeans are already like 7% of the world. So even if 100% of them agree with me, our views would be minority so you neednt have to worry about us...
Violence is not a requirement for racism. You keep going back to this fallacy as a defense. You don't have to condone violence for your arguments to fallacious.

some leader stands up, says he's the new messiah and is able to join all forces?

It doesn't have to be a messiah, and it isn't always a peaceful union... but, yes - the lesson history is that cultures that isolate, are subsumed or destroyed.

did you say EXCEPT? whoops, [insert appropriate excuse here], have a marcolini...probably the best chocolate in the world...

The point was that not all Christians believe in the Holy Trinity nor all major denominations. Not that all major denominations do not. When you aren't trying to make sweeping generalizations exceptions don't address the points. When you are, they do. They are.

There has only been one culture that practised 'ethnic' superioity?

Okay - now THAT's funny...

WRONG! The muslims, because they have their own theocracies and they can burn down embassies without being punished.

still, who holds the real power, and is not fighting a guerilla / underdog fight: some religious extremists with white skins that even want to wipe out evolutionist theories?

Pop Quiz: Which of these groups has the power and influence to affect the world in a big way?The Mormons have quite a lot of say in America's largest youth group.

Jesus is not God. Quit while you're ahead, I take Religion & Society at school.
Does that make you an authority on BOTH religion and society?

It doesn't have to be a messiah, and it isn't always a peaceful union... but, yes - the lesson history is that cultures that isolate, are subsumed or destroyed.

All cultures are subsumed and destroyed. We're just trying to delay ours because we just got it the way we like it.

Because I have my doubts that you are serious with all this. I am also wondering whether or not you are really Norwegian. This suspicion is based partly on your lack of hometown/local examples of your precious culture, your failure to write a single word in norwegian, and your underlying humorous tone.

You also failed to jump at my post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10791860&postcount=199) which any Norwegian with your views should do. You didn't even bother to whine about it.:)


Were I to stir up discussion, it would be pretty similar.

Also, in case you are serious, I'd like to know which part of Norway breeds those opinions. And why.

Err, your post was really stupid, I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time. I really dont have to defend Norway. And I dont want to praise Norway among foreigners not to atrract immigrants. So you spread the word. Norway sux, ok?
I'm from Trondheim but many norwegians got smiliar views like mine. I'm saying this for the 10th time but FrP is the 2nd biggest party and I guess it receives votes from anywhere...

All cultures are subsumed and destroyed. We're just trying to delay ours because we just got it the way we like it.Bavarian and North German cultures are doing fine despite the open borders.

Does that make you an authority on BOTH religion and society?

Nope. But I do know for a fact that Jesus is not God. Our teacher's an ex-monk, he should know.

Err, your post was really stupid, I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time. I really dont have to defend Norway. And I dont want to praise Norway among foreigners not to atrract immigrants. So you spread the word. Norway sux, ok?
I'm from Trondheim but many norwegians got smiliar views like mine. I'm saying this for the 10th time but FrP is the 2nd biggest party and I guess it receives votes from anywhere...

If everyone thinks you're a moron, does it make you one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodies Without Organs
A valid answer to the question What ALWAYS happens in cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiotity? But, hey, maybe we should just dispense with looking to see what lessons history could teach us.





as far as I know The states and Western Europe are both cultures that practise 'ethnic' superiority. Perhaps not in words, perhaps not that obviously, but all the more dangerous. Just the same as they are both paternalistic cultures, although most of the people agree that men and women are equal. In words, yes, but not in real life nowadays. Someday, I hope.
That's why people in higher positions are white males

correction: sorry I didn't meant paternalistic but patriarchy (i don't know how to say it in correct english) I guess you understand my point anyway

Are only whites racist? Please!!

Okay - now THAT's funny...

There has only been once society, that I know of, that has explicitly set out to kill everyone they don't like.

I guess scientologists 'cause they've got the money and know how to lobby?

You know, I like you.

You're sharp. :D

Are only whites racist? Please!!

sorry, I was only speaking for myself, I could of course easily add muslim and other nations to the list. The point was that you also had to look at your own culture.

Bavarian and North German cultures are doing fine despite the open borders.

That's because they don't pretend that their relationship is super. If the post-WWII division was North and South instead of East and West, the wall would probably still be standing.

I don't care about europe, I don't care about my country, I only care about the world and the people that live on it. What's wrong with me doctor?

Are u from brunei?

Nope. But I do know for a fact that Jesus is not God. Our teacher's an ex-monk, he should know.
A fact. If you say so...

Jesus is not God. Quit while you're ahead, I take Religion & Society at school.

Are you seriously suggesting that only fringe Christians believe Jesus was God? Seriously?

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html
Jesus Christ is most definitely God. He created Adam and Eve, the first man and woman, in his image. He is the Creator of the universe. The Bible says, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (John 1:3). This includes all the stars, all the original animals and plants, and even the angels (Colossians 1:15-17).

For the record, this site does espouse the trinity.

There has only been once society, that I know of, that has explicitly set out to kill everyone they don't like.


Wake up!!!! Remember the genocide in Rwanda? Remember the serbians in yuguslavia? Remember Bush making a mess in the middle east? (Oops, he's still busy!)

That's because they don't pretend that their relationship is super. If the post-WWII division was North and South instead of East and West, the wall would probably still be standing.Et alors? Why don't you just admit you have no case instead of finding an excuse every time you get proven wrong?

Are u from brunei?


nope fucking Belgium, we had/still have our portion of nationalism though

You know, I like you.

You're sharp. :D

love you too gravy

Are you seriously suggesting that only fringe Christians believe Jesus was God? Seriously?

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html
Jesus Christ is most definitely God. He created Adam and Eve, the first man and woman, in his image. He is the Creator of the universe. The Bible says, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" (John 1:3). This includes all the stars, all the original animals and plants, and even the angels (Colossians 1:15-17).

For the record, this site does espouse the trinity.

And the site is wrong. Jesus is not God. He is not man, but not God. He is one with God, but not God. Extremely hard to explain and understand, but that's religion for you.

There is also that 'spiritus sanctum' dude. The three are one, father, son, and holy spirit. Each and all are god. That means Jeasus is God. So is the father. And the spirit.

Shhhhh... Jesus isn't God. Remember, because this imaginary Monk that K-P knows says so. There must be no major Christian sects that believe such a thing because K-P knows it for a FACT.

And like I said, I've never encountered a claim that the 'spiritus sanctum' was a real thing, an entity. It's simply a description of God's will. The term isn't even used in most of the churches I've been to.

nope fucking Belgium, we had/still have our portion of nationalism though

Ok then are you ethnic flemish or waloon or at least ethnic european?

Wake up!!!! Remember the genocide in Rwanda? Remember the serbians in yuguslavia? Remember Bush making a mess in the middle east? (Oops, he's still busy!)

Oh yeah, I forgot about those (Bush doesn't count). Doesn't seem like they've collapsed much.

And the site is wrong. Jesus is not God. He is not man, but not God. He is one with God, but not God. Extremely hard to explain and understand, but that's religion for you.

Funny, I'm a Christian and I believe he's God. I was taught that in CHURCH. Another person in this thread is explaining the same thing. Yet, somehow, your monk is right. Could you please show me a Christian site that says Jesus is NOT God.

I guess this site is just another one of your 'exceptions'. I love how your way to dispute evidence is simply to dismiss it. How fun.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Jesusisgod.htm
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ98.HTM

It's not because Bush is not saying "I want to kill all muslims in the middle east to make a lot of money out of the petroleum" that he isn't killing everybody that is a muslim in the that region.

His administration is just a bit more evil than Hitler and milosevic

If everyone thinks you're a moron, does it make you one?

A very intelligent question. Intelligent questions like this are made by smart people (sarcasm).

There has only been once society, that I know of, that has explicitly set out to kill everyone they don't like.

You obviously know wery little about societies of the world if that's the case. We have had dozens of societies like that in the 20th century alone, from Burma through Russia to the heart of Europe, all around africa, Middle East and Latin America. USA is currently getting closer and closer to that sort of a society, also.

At least only one that I know of, that did it actively. The rest sort of just did it because it was... well, that's how it was back then.

I assume that Nazi Germany is the one you're thinking about, and that you're writing off things like the United States with your 'how it was back then' caveat? So Japan didn't actively practice a policy of ethnic superiority? The states of the former Yugoslavia? The cultures of Rwanda? South Africa? Zimbabwe?

Shhhhh... Jesus isn't God. Remember, because this imaginary Monk that K-P knows says so. There must be no major Christian sects that believe such a thing because K-P knows it for a FACT.

He's an ex-monk. Or so we've heard. He's my R&S teacher. His name is Paul Reed. We call him Rexy because he looks a little bit like Rex Hunt. Look him up if you're ever in Sydenham.

All cultures are subsumed and destroyed. We're just trying to delay ours because we just got it the way we like it.

Even Norway has a contribution to this story:

Knut den mektige, King of Norway, Denmark and England - once set his throne in the incoming tide, as 'proof' that even a King has limits.

You can't 'stop the tide'.

A very intelligent question. Intelligent questions like this are made by smart people (sarcasm).

Why don't you just answer it instead of questioning the intelligence of it? I've noticed you avoiding numreous sarcastic but well thought questions with this same manner.

A very intelligent question. Intelligent questions like this are made by smart people (sarcasm).

What a pity you didn't (want to?) understand the link with your message. Makes you even smarter (more sarcasm).

There has only been once society, that I know of, that has explicitly set out to kill everyone they don't like.

Explicitly setting out to kill everyone you don't like is not the be all and end all of 'ethnic' superiority.

Err, your post was really stupid, I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time. I really dont have to defend Norway. And I dont want to praise Norway among foreigners not to atrract immigrants. So you spread the word. Norway sux, ok?
I'm from Trondheim but many norwegians got smiliar views like mine. I'm saying this for the 10th time but FrP is the 2nd biggest party and I guess it receives votes from anywhere...
Did it take you long to find Trondheim on the map? Or did you use that ciafactbook?

Et alors? Why don't you just admit you have no case instead of finding an excuse every time you get proven wrong?

I'm not make any excuses. Bavaria and North German cultures don't conflict.

Why don't you just answer it instead of questioning the intelligence of it? I've noticed you avoiding numreous sarcastic but well thought questions with this same manner.

Well thought? HAHA :rolleyes:

Err, your post was really stupid, I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time. I really dont have to defend Norway. And I dont want to praise Norway among foreigners not to atrract immigrants. So you spread the word. Norway sux, ok?
I'm from Trondheim but many norwegians got smiliar views like mine. I'm saying this for the 10th time but FrP is the 2nd biggest party and I guess it receives votes from anywhere...

You don't see any irony in posting:

"your post was really stupid"

and, then, following it immediately with:

"I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time"...?

And the site is wrong. Jesus is not God. He is not man, but not God.

You know, that's exactly the reverse of accepted mainstream belief which views Jesus as both man and God, not the negation of the pair.

He's an ex-monk. Or so we've heard. He's my R&S teacher. His name is Paul Reed. We call him Rexy because he looks a little bit like Rex Hunt. Look him up if you're ever in Sydenham.

Either way, he's just some dude and your claims are falsified by the fact that I can find site after site claiming Jesus IS God. Otherwise our worship of Jesus would be idolatry.

Did it take you long to find Trondheim on the map? Or did you use that ciafactbook?

Hey, everybody knows where Trondheim is, especially smartasses like me (right Nordland?). It's in the middle of Brussels!

There has only been once society, that I know of, that has explicitly set out to kill everyone they don't like.

Then I pity your education system.

Well thought? HAHA :rolleyes:


that's right, but you just didn't want to see the connection with your message. Pity...

I'm not make any excuses. Bavaria and North German cultures don't conflict.Not at all, no. :rolleyes:
Hooligans beating eachother up at soccer games isn't "conflict", no...

Funny, I'm a Christian and I believe he's God. I was taught that in CHURCH. Another person in this thread is explaining the same thing. Yet, somehow, your monk is right. Could you please show me a Christian site that says Jesus is NOT God.

I guess this site is just another one of your 'exceptions'. I love how your way to dispute evidence is simply to dismiss it. How fun.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Jesusisgod.htm
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ98.HTM

There are many debates about the Trinity. I have learnt that he is not God. One with God, but not God. That why he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and not just in the throne. That's why he spoke to the Father in the Garden before his arrest.

So, do you actually believe that Jesus is God incarnate, the Father come down in human form?

Err, your post was really stupid, I didnt bother to answer it with all the personal attacks going at that time. I really dont have to defend Norway. And I dont want to praise Norway among foreigners not to atrract immigrants. So you spread the word. Norway sux, ok?
I'm from Trondheim but many norwegians got smiliar views like mine. I'm saying this for the 10th time but FrP is the 2nd biggest party and I guess it receives votes from anywhere...

I'd be interested in you writing some things in Norwegian. I am starting to agree with Quag that you are trolling. Given your reponse to Fass and then suggesting he wasn't Scandinavian makes me wonder. How about you translate this post to Norwegian, please?

Nope. But I do know for a fact that Jesus is not God. Our teacher's an ex-monk, he should know.
ARe you geting religions confused?

Funny, I'm a Christian and I believe he's God. I was taught that in CHURCH. Another person in this thread is explaining the same thing. Yet, somehow, your monk is right. Could you please show me a Christian site that says Jesus is NOT God.

I guess this site is just another one of your 'exceptions'. I love how your way to dispute evidence is simply to dismiss it. How fun.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Jesusisgod.htm
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ98.HTM

I was told the same thing, in both Southern Baptist churches, and Anglican churches.

As an Atheist (as you, obviously, know) I might not BELIEVE it, but I was definitely TAUGHT it.

You know, that's exactly the reverse of accepted mainstream belief which views Jesus as both man and God, not the negation of the pair.

Being man and god also automatically makes his not man and not God. He's a bit of both.

There are many debates about the Trinity. I have learnt that he is not God. One with God, but not God. That why he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and not just in the throne. That's why he spoke to the Father in the Garden before his arrest.

So, do you actually believe that Jesus is God incarnate, the Father come down in human form?

Yes. I do. As do most. God chose to incarnate himself and there will forever be a human form, Jesus. While Jesus was alive he had to be seperated in a way from his true self or he could not suffer. You're right it's complicated, but it doesn't make him not God. Again, to worship someone who is not God is idolatry.

There are many debates about the Trinity. I have learnt that he is not God. One with God, but not God. That why he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and not just in the throne. That's why he spoke to the Father in the Garden before his arrest.

So, do you actually believe that Jesus is God incarnate, the Father come down in human form?

Let's not make this thread a religious debate about christianity...

Being man and god also automatically makes his not man and not God. He's a bit of both.

Or he's all of both. It's not a zero sum game.

Crisis in Europe:
http://www.hudsonreview.com/bawerWi06.html

Let's not make this thread a religious debate about christianity...


I agree for once. I hope both religious and non-religious agree that it isn't the domain of religion to decide about migration.

I'd be interested in you writing some things in Norwegian. I am starting to agree with Quag that you are trolling. Given your reponse to Fass and then suggesting he wasn't Scandinavian makes me wonder. How about you translate this post to Norwegian, please?
howsit going?:)

Being man and god also automatically makes his not man and not God.

If that is true, then your statement "He is not man, but not God" would also automatically mean that he is both man and God. Thus, Jesus is God.

If that is true, then your statement "He is not man, but not God" would also automatically mean that he is both man and God. Thus, Jesus is God.
and god is man, right? after all, man made god in his image...

Yes. I do. As do most. God chose to incarnate himself and there will forever be a human form, Jesus. While Jesus was alive he had to be seperated in a way from his true self or he could not suffer. You're right it's complicated, but it doesn't make him not God. Again, to worship someone who is not God is idolatry.

If he has trouble with this one... probably best not to introduce him to the Egyptian version, with Ra being Ra, and Horus being Horus, and Horus ALSO being Ra.... and Sekhmet being Ra... all of them 'gods' at the same time, yet aspects the one of the other...

Let's not make this thread a religious debate about christianity...

Yes, let us get back to K-P explaining how Japan didn't practice ethnic superiority.

and god is man, right? after all, man made god in his image...

So Schopenhauer would have it.

Yes. I do. As do most. God chose to incarnate himself and there will forever be a human form, Jesus. While Jesus was alive he had to be seperated in a way from his true self or he could not suffer. You're right it's complicated, but it doesn't make him not God. Again, to worship someone who is not God is idolatry.

In the Nicene Creed, it specifically states that Jesus was "begotten of the Father." Thus, not actually the Father, but one with him. It's so hard to get out the point I'm trying to make. Just can't get the words for it. Here goes:

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one being, in three split forms, sharing the same... essence, or some shit like that. It's kinda like on one of those Japanese animes when characters can split into multiples of themselves, you know?

If he has trouble with this one... probably best not to introduce him to the Egyptian version, with Ra being Ra, and Horus being Horus, and Horus ALSO being Ra.... and Sekhmet being Ra... all of them 'gods' at the same time, yet aspects the one of the other...

I agree that although all these gods are dead as far as I'm concerned, religion should be simplified. But what's the connection with our subject, love?

I agree that although all these gods are dead as far as I'm concerned, religion should be simplified. But what's the connection with our subject, love?
We are waiting for the translation. patience, luv...

which is being sent through cyberspace, to that friend who knows the friend who is norwegian. Because we just found out that babelfish has its limits.

Imagine the panic...:p

Crisis in Europe:
http://www.hudsonreview.com/bawerWi06.html

USA can keep it's immigration and itegration model to itself...

We are waiting for the translation. patience, luv...


Ok... (guess he's using babelfish? )

Let's not make this thread a religious debate about christianity...
Yeah! This is supposed be how we can tell how much people have in common by looking at them. That we can generalize about people by their skin color. About how we need to protect the purity of the Norge race.

But it's not about racism because racism MUST include violence otherwise it's just good honest reason.

We are waiting for the translation. patience, luv...

I'm not satisfieing you.

Ok, I give up this argument. Yay for immigration. Whoopee whoopee, gang rapes and street warfare are awesome. I'll stay here in my Asian-Wog enclave and let you enjoy yourselves.

I'm going to bed.

I'm not satisfieing you.


how come?in a lazy mood or somethin?

Ok, I give up this argument. Yay for immigration. Whoopee whoopee, gang rapes and street warfare are awesome. I'll stay here in my Asian-Wog enclave and let you enjoy yourselves.

I'm going to bed.Ah. How many of the above do your parents participate in then, seeing as they're also immigrants?

In the Nicene Creed, it specifically states that Jesus was "begotten of the Father." Thus, not actually the Father, but one with him. It's so hard to get out the point I'm trying to make. Just can't get the words for it. Here goes:

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one being, in three split forms, sharing the same... essence, or some shit like that. It's kinda like on one of those Japanese animes when characters can split into multiples of themselves, you know?

Great. Jesus and God are one being. We agree. Jesus IS God. Glad you agree.

And not all Christians are particularly impressed with the council of Nicea.

I'm not satisfieing you.
teehee, not really, no....:D

I'm not satisfieing you.
Exactly. He's not Norwegian. I suspected you were trolling but I tried to treat you as if you weren't. It would just be silly to continue this now that you've been exposed.

how come?in a lazy mood or somethin?

No they cant answer my arguments but resort to name calling...racist, troll, etc...

I agree that although all these gods are dead as far as I'm concerned, religion should be simplified. But what's the connection with our subject, love?

Err... well, this topic is kind of grim, and that little 'off topic' track looked so picturesque...

I was just following the 'Jesus can't be god' idea to an extreme...

No they cant answer my arguments but resort to name calling...racist, troll, etc...


then why do you use arguments that appear to be false?

Ok, I give up this argument. Yay for immigration. Whoopee whoopee, gang rapes and street warfare are awesome.

Given that gang rapes and street warfare are primarily carried out by the poorer members of society, would immigration of wealthy individuals be acceptable to you?

then why do you use arguments that appear to be false?

What is false exactly?

Given that gang rapes and street warfare are primarily carried out by the poorer members of society, would immigration of wealthy individuals be acceptable to you?


exactly! That's just what's going on nowadays in europe and it is really unfair. In Belgium only rich immigrants and those who can do the dirty jobs are welcomed. And that's just not right.

I'm not satisfieing you.

You got THAT right...

What is false exactly?
We'd tell you, but you think its a good idea for people not to repeat themselves ;)

What is false exactly?


ALL your arguments about Norwegian culture...

Ah. How many of the above do your parents participate in then, seeing as they're also immigrants?

None, because they're not black or muslim. We're from civilised countries.

Yes, we're extremely racist here. Because we like things the way they are. Me and my wog and asian friends talk callously about the black immigrants because we don't trust them.

ALL your arguments about Norwegian culture...

I dont remember making any such comments besides norwegian culture needs to be preserved...

Nordland, we lost the argument. Fucking admit that you're not Norwegian or say something.

None, because they're not black or muslim. We're from civilised countries.

Yes, we're extremely racist here. Because we like things the way they are. Me and my wog and asian friends talk callously about the black immigrants because we don't trust them.


Yawk civilised. I shiver when I hear that word. It reminds of ... being superior and that reminds me of ... uebermensch and that reminds me of ... genocide

None, because they're not black or muslim. We're from civilised countries.

Yes, we're extremely racist here. Because we like things the way they are. Me and my wog and asian friends talk callously about the black immigrants because we don't trust them.
I think that says more about you and your friends than about black people.

I dont remember making any such comments besides norwegian culture needs to be preserved...


yeah which you repeated quite a lot

Given that gang rapes and street warfare are primarily carried out by the poorer members of society, would immigration of wealthy individuals be acceptable to you?

No. Because I'm racist.

No they cant answer my arguments but resort to name calling...racist, troll, etc...

Both racist and trolls are not just names. They're assessments. It's like you coming in the thread seeing our discussion and calling me a Christian.

You actively demonstrated that you believe you can judge who is most similar by how they look. You admitted that your concern is about preserving racial (or a subcategory - ethnic) purity. You've generalized based on race. You know what that's called? RACISM.

As far as suggesting you're a troll, it's a discussion of the rules. It's like when we reported you for repeatedly and mildly flaming (and yes, others were mildly flaming you as well). We weren't calling you names. It was simply an assessment of what we viewed was a rules violation. We simply don't believe that you can really believe what you're saying and get caught being inconsistent so easily. Add to that your refusal to speak in your 'native' tongue and the fact that you're a bit of an exaggeration of a stereotype and it leads us to suspect you're pulling our leg. Sorry if that offends you, but it simply seems to be true. You can end the debate quite simply but refuse to.

Nordland, we lost the argument. Fucking admit that you're not Norwegian or say something.
Funny how you associate with him, because if things were the way he wanted them years ago, you wouldn't even exist.

No. Because I'm racist.

...anyhow, did Japan practice 'ethnic' superiority or not?

I think that says more about you and your friends than about black people.

Good.

No. Because I'm racist.

And you wonder why you end up being called a Nazi :rolleyes:

Yawk civilised. I shiver when I hear that word. It reminds of ... being superior and that reminds me of ... uebermensch and that reminds me of ... genocide

And, doesn't K-P claim to be 'ethnic german', and doesn't K-P claim that his/her 'ethnic Germans' are the 'superior' Germans?

Hitting the nail, right on the head, perhaps.

I dont remember making any such comments besides norwegian culture needs to be preserved...Does that mean you still eat your raw meat with a knife instead of with a fork?

Funny how you associate with him, because if things were the way he wanted them years ago, you wouldn't even exist.

Wow. The world would be missing so much. I would be such a big loss.

And, doesn't K-P claim to be 'ethnic german', and doesn't K-P claim that his/her 'ethnic Germans' are the 'superior' Germans?

Hitting the nail, right on the head, perhaps.

No, I say that I have German and Ukrainian blood. And I'm proud of it. White pride. And I'd say it again.

Performs last rites for the topics and puts pennies on its eyelids.

Wow. The world would be missing so much. I would be such a big loss.The forum would be less entertaining, to say the least ;)
Can't say it isn't ironic or entertaining to have a second generation immigrant rant against immigration.

Does that mean you still eat your raw meat with a knife instead of with a fork?


I think he wants to say most norwegians have to move to other countries because norway only belongs to the natives (the Samen for example, or how do you say that in English)

...anyhow, did Japan practice 'ethnic' superiority or not?

I don't bloody know, I haven't studied Japan.

No, I say that I have German and Ukrainian blood. And I'm proud of it. White pride. And I'd say it again.


White pride? Or quite blind?

I don't bloody know, I haven't studied Japan.

You, my young friend, have much to learn.

Seeing as how you advocate the structuring of society on the basis of ethnic superiority do you not think it would be worth your while to do some research on the history of previous attempts at such an endeavour and the results that they achieved?

Funny how you associate with him, because if things were the way he wanted them years ago, you wouldn't even exist.

He's actually my other account in NS (sarcasm)

No, I say that I have German and Ukrainian blood. And I'm proud of it. White pride. And I'd say it again.

Are Ukrainians 'white' then? I thought that area was settled by Arabs?

Does that mean you still eat your raw meat with a knife instead of with a fork?

:rolleyes:
By preserving I dont mean 100%. It's impossible anyways.

White pride? Or quite blind?

What? I'm allowed to say that. My friends have asian pride.

He's actually my other account in NS (sarcasm)I've always been convinced that K-P was one of Der Reichsprotektor's puppets, actually.

He's actually my other account in NS (sarcasm)

I'd already considered that, actually.

Except - no offense meant for K-P... I don't think he could have consistently maintained two 'characters'...

I think he wants to say most norwegians have to move to other countries because norway only belongs to the natives (the Samen for example, or how do you say that in English)

Sami. They immigrated here from Siberia, you know...

You, my young friend, have much to learn.

Seeing as how you advocate the structuring of society on the basis of ethnic superiority do you not think it would be worth your while to do some research on the history of previous attempts at such an endeavour and the results that they achieved?

I don't structure my societies out of ethnic superiority. I structure my societies out of monoethnicism and monoculturalism.

:rolleyes:
By preserving I dont mean 100%. It's impossible anyways.Ah, so you draw the line when it comes to showers, cutlery, and cars, eh? Foreign cultures are good enough for you to live off their achievements, but not good enough to allow people to integrate?

Are Ukrainians 'white' then? I thought that area was settled by Arabs?

No, we're Russian. Here's a copy of "Ex-Soviet States for Dummies."

I don't structure my societies out of ethnic superiority. I structure my societies out of monoethnicism and monoculturalism.Again, a rather silly thing to do since you happen to have multi-ethnic heritage.

No, we're Russian. Here's a copy of "Ex-Soviet States for Dummies."The Ukranians at my university tend to get offended when someone calls them "Russian"...

Ah, so you draw the line when it comes to showers, cutlery, and cars, eh? Foreign cultures are good enough for you to live off their achievements, but not good enough to allow people to integrate?

I told it 10 times what's not acceptable, in my opinion...

No, we're Russian.

Slavic, surely?

Sami. They immigrated here from Siberia, you know...

Actually, didn't you start out saying they aren't sure if they immigrated from there. Did you change your mind?

Regardless, like Native Americans were in the Americas first, Samis were in Scandinavia first. Sad how being their first doesn't make them 'real' Scandinavians, in your mind. I'm curious why they aren't 'real' Scandinavians.

I'd already considered that, actually.

Except - no offense meant for K-P... I don't think he could have consistently maintained two 'characters'...

It's actually true. It would be impossible to for me to do that. I had a hard enough time being nice to you before. But I snapped. So now I'm just tell it like it is.