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I will answer you once you make your points in a civilized manner...

Will you answer him if he calls you stupid, an idiot, a liar, delusional or any of the other terms you have used throughout this thread to insult people. You need to look inward if you'd like to elevate the quality of this thread. He is being civilized. It's perfectly reasonable to use the term xenophobia where it applies. That's why the term exists. Same with racism.

You can't post links suggesting black people are naturally dumber than white people and saying that the 'arabs' are coming to destroy your culture and not expect to hear those terms.

Pardon?



Seriously, why do you keep taking this holier-than-thou approach when approximately 1 in every 5 of your posts contains an insult, attack on the person or calls them a name?

But I changed, it was a long time ago :p

Anyway, people insulted me too. I think I was rather on the defensive....

Oh my, aren't you sensitive. But I'm not here to play games. You wanna ignore what I said or try to dismiss it, be my guest. I'm fairly certain your answer would consist of lies, dodges, generalizations and ignorance anyway. :fluffle:

I've noticed like the name-calling he so often uses, this is another one of his methods of avoiding the reasonable points of a poster. You'll notices he goes back and forth between calling people idiots and complaining that people aren't being polite enough to reply to.

But I changed, it was a long time ago :p

Anyway, people insulted me too. I think I was rather on the defensive....
"HE STARTED IT, MOMMA!"

I like the mix it up post. :) Caucasian and Latin mix looks really pretty alot of times... nice skin tone... Mmmmm...

And I quote:

Oh I thought u were thinking that I was one of the people "who instead decided to kick you off it, kill you in the process and keep it all for yourself" since I support deporting people as well as resricting further immigration....

But I changed, it was a long time ago :p

Anyway, people insulted me too. I think I was rather on the defensive....

What you're doing is called ad hominems. That means that rather address people's arguments you are attacking them. Calling them names or saying that you won't reply because they used a word you don't like are equivalent when you're talking about avoiding the points.

In both cases, you are dropping arguments left and right because you are unable to address them. When you get told that you should do a little research so you can address them you accused me of treating this like a university lecture and later accused me of calling you ignorant. You need to address the points people make rather than attacking the posters (even if your attacks on them don't include namecalling).

For example, I asked you a question - why is the immigration of Arabs different than the issues that Fass mentioned?

The original post stated that this person is anti-immigrant, period. His country is one of those that has a negative birth rate. Unless they start mating like crazy, and popping babies out like it's going out of style, immigration is the only thing that is going to support any kind of social system in that country. Oh, I suppose they could also go the cloning route...


I don't see why their govt and society couldn't take measures to increase their birth rate (tax breaks for families and whatnot). It's not that farfetched.

Or they could be like Japan, who are quite anti-immigrant, and build all kinds of crazy robots to replace their declining work force.


And there is a difference between trying to keep your land (from the people you were willing to share it with...but who instead decided to kick you off it, kill you in the process and keep it all for yourself) and restricting immigration. Don't compare the two.


I'll admit it was kind of a stretch- but in a way it makes sense. The USA started with just a few ships landing on Plymouth Rock, at first it was probably no big deal for the native population, right? Europe could be that way in the future, just a few immigrants at first... but then more and more- quite likely with a declining (below replacement level) birthrate for the native population and an increasing one for the immigrants. I wouldn't blame someone who lived there for being concerned about this.

Will you answer him if he calls you stupid, an idiot, a liar, delusional or any of the other terms you have used throughout this thread to insult people. You need to look inward if you'd like to elevate the quality of this thread. He is being civilized. It's perfectly reasonable to use the term xenophobia where it applies. That's why the term exists. Same with racism.

You can't post links suggesting black people are naturally dumber than white people and saying that the 'arabs' are coming to destroy your culture and not expect to hear those terms.

I was referring to childish and pathetic.
You cant call someone childish and pathetic just because he doesnt agree with you...

I like the mix it up post. :) Caucasian and Latin mix looks really pretty alot of times... nice skin tone... Mmmmm...
Umm....'Latin' usually refers to people who are already a mix of Caucasian, aboriginal, and/or black...unless you're just talking about Italians getting it on with Swedes or something:D

I don't see why their govt and society couldn't take measures to increase their birth rate (tax breaks for families and whatnot). It's not that farfetched.

Or they could be like Japan, who are quite anti-immigrant, and build all kinds of crazy robots to replace their declining work force.



I'll admit it was kind of a stretch- but in a way it makes sense. The USA started with just a few ships landing on Plymouth Rock, at first it was probably no big deal for the native population, right? Europe could be that way in the future, just a few immigrants at first... but then more and more- quite likely with a declining (below replacement level) birthrate for the native population and an increasing one for the immigrants. I wouldn't blame someone who lived there for being concerned about this.


Thank you for your sensible input. Norway has below replacement level birthrates, yes. But instead of admitting more immigrants, we should try to raise birth rate and reform pension system.

Is it just me or do you find more ignorant remarks from posters with a postcount in the double-digits as opposed to the triple and quad-digits?

What's with all the postcount rank-pullling lately?

A: No. They would be Japanese by country, Eskimo by descent.
But Eskimos already have a culture, why would they adopt a Japanese one?


B: The Native Americans welcomed the pilgrims... that is, until they started killing everyone, raping the women, stealing the food, lying to them about everything, taking their land by force... that kind of thing is understandably irritating.
Right. Who's to say something like that couldn't happen in the future, once an immigrant population outnumbered a native one?

What you're doing is called ad hominems. That means that rather address people's arguments you are attacking them. Calling them names or saying that you won't reply because they used a word you don't like are equivalent when you're talking about avoiding the points.

In both cases, you are dropping arguments left and right because you are unable to address them. When you get told that you should do a little research so you can address them you accused me of treating this like a university lecture and later accused me of calling you ignorant. You need to address the points people make rather than attacking the posters (even if your attacks on them don't include namecalling).

For example, I asked you a question - why is the immigration of Arabs different than the issues that Fass mentioned?

Why it isnt? Arabs and Walloons are different. Culturally, ethnically, religiously...lots of stuff. Is pointing to differences somehow an insult too?

Why it isnt? Arabs and Walloons are different. Culturally, ethnically, religiously...lots of stuff. Is pointing to differences somehow an insult too?

Or possibly a person is a person, and they should have stupid labels put on them by racist bastards.

I was referring to childish and pathetic.
You cant call someone childish and pathetic just because he doesnt agree with you...

Actually, I called the anti-immigration STANCE childish and pathetic. Once again, I didn't even address you at all, let alone "call you names."

And compared to how many times you've insulted people in this thread, you have NO place whining about it when you IMAGINE someone is insulting you.

Thank you for your sensible input. Norway has below replacement level birthrates, yes. But instead of admitting more immigrants, we should try to raise birth rate and reform pension system.

Why?

If you boost population from a reduced population, WITHOUT bringing in fresh genetics, you are practically begging for trouble.

You don't DELIBERATELY set out to dive into the shallow-end of ANY pool, much less the gene-pool.

I don't see why their govt and society couldn't take measures to increase their birth rate (tax breaks for families and whatnot). It's not that farfetched. Okay, that's a bit nicer than what I said, but it's still popping out babies like it's 1999...

Or they could be like Japan, who are quite anti-immigrant, and build all kinds of crazy robots to replace their declining work force. Better, better...but robots don't pay taxes! That's the real problem with robots...bastards...



I'll admit it was kind of a stretch- but in a way it makes sense. The USA started with just a few ships landing on Plymouth Rock, at first it was probably no big deal for the native population, right? Europe could be that way in the future, just a few immigrants at first... but then more and more- quite likely with a declining (below replacement level) birthrate for the native population and an increasing one for the immigrants. I wouldn't blame someone who lived there for being concerned about this.
Well, we can start comparing the two scenarios once immigrants flood Europe, perpetrating mass killings and pushing people onto small plots of land...they'll have to disenfranchise every non-immigrant too, since we weren't allowed to vote until the 60s, and they'll have to systematically destroy the non-immigrants' livelihood and force them to live of the good will of the (by now) majority of immigrants...

So just hold onto your comparison for a while, in case that happens.:eek:

Actually, I called the anti-immigration STANCE childish and pathetic. Once again, I didn't even address you at all, let alone "call you names."

And compared to how many times you've insulted people in this thread, you have NO place whining about it when you IMAGINE someone is insulting you.

I'm sorry for that. As I said though, I was rather on the defensive....

Why?

If you boost population from a reduced population, WITHOUT bringing in fresh genetics, you are practically begging for trouble.

You don't DELIBERATELY set out to dive into the shallow-end of ANY pool, much less the gene-pool.Hey, if it works for royalty...*pictures Charles' ears...shudders*

Wait...it doesn't really work for anyone...does it?

Hey, if it works for royalty...*pictures Charles' ears...shudders*

Wait...it doesn't really work for anyone...does it?

Maybe I'm a freak, but point those dusky latino ladies, with the little waists and big hips my way... and... those indian princess... and...

Well, suffice it to say, cultural diversity works (for me).

i dunno maybe they are all mean gits:headbang: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :fluffle: :cool:

How to judge an immigrant group and their value to society:
The holidays their integration brings to the assimilating society, espescially drinking holidays.

Irish? St. Patrick's Day. Good.
Mexicans? Cinco de Mayo. Good.
Germans? Oktoberfest. Good.
Russians? Every day, all the time. Good.

Using this criterion we can sift the good immigrants from the bad immigrants, and decide who we want to allow into our country.

Why it isnt? Arabs and Walloons are different. Culturally, ethnically, religiously...lots of stuff. Is pointing to differences somehow an insult too?

That's not the point. You claimed that there has been no real immigration until recently. You still haven't said why Walloons don't count as 'real' immigration.

Maybe I'm a freak, but point those dusky latino ladies, with the little waists and big hips my way... and... those indian princess... and...

Well, suffice it to say, cultural diversity works (for me).

I'm going to have to side with GnI for once.

Maybe I'm a freak, but point those dusky latino ladies, with the little waists and big hips my way... and... those indian princess... and...

Well, suffice it to say, cultural diversity works (for me).
It works for me too... :D

What's with all the postcount rank-pullling lately?


But Eskimos already have a culture, why would they adopt a Japanese one?


Right. Who's to say something like that couldn't happen in the future, once an immigrant population outnumbered a native one?

I'm not aware of any recent postcount rank-pulling, I'm just making a statement on how I noticed more people who don't post often are often ignorant of the facts / intolerant / immature.

A: Eskimos have a culture, yes. Now, in 50 years, they will have assimilated into the larger Japanese culture because of inter-cultural mating. The Eskimo kids having sex with the Japanese kids. That kind of thing.

B: It won't happen, because back then we didn't have the UN, we didn't have a more divided world of power, we didn't have as much acceptance and as of right now we don't have any landmass that civilization wants that hasn't already been yanked into our influence. If it does happen, it'll be in the form of civil war, or revolution, in which case things will change and the perpetrators of such actions will be caught, jailed, and/or killed or deported or however the particular country wants to handle it.

Or the country will be taken over, which will be just as good. Those who win the revolution are the catalysts of darwinism. Change is good, change is constant.

Well, we can start comparing the two scenarios once immigrants flood Europe, perpetrating mass killings and pushing people onto small plots of land...they'll have to disenfranchise every non-immigrant too, since we weren't allowed to vote until the 60s, and they'll have to systematically destroy the non-immigrants' livelihood and force them to live of the good will of the (by now) majority of immigrants...

So just hold onto your comparison for a while, in case that happens.:eek:

That's what I'm saying! This kind of stuff is human nature.

What does your sig mean? The "Ka peyakoskânewihk" part, not the "You live in Canada" part.

Maybe I'm a freak, but point those dusky latino ladies, with the little waists and big hips my way... and... those indian princess... and...

Well, suffice it to say, cultural diversity works (for me).

Exactly. My fiancee is half caucasian, half korean. I tackle her into bed every night.

Our kids will be %.05 more resistant to diseases.

That's not the point. You claimed that there has been no real immigration until recently. You still haven't said why Walloons don't count as 'real' immigration.

Theirs is a real immigration but it's an exception....not a trend...
And walloons are much more compatable to our society then arabs or other non-europeans....

I'm going to have to side with GnI for once.

Yeah, I know... what were the odds...? :D

Sorry to force you to agree on such an unpalatable issue, too.. ;)

What does your sig mean? The "Ka peyakoskânewihk" part, not the "You live in Canada" part.
It's Cree...it kind of means 'all in the family/tribe', meaning we're all family. A really big, brawling, insane family...but related nonetheless.

That's what I'm saying! This kind of stuff is human nature.

What does your sig mean? The "Ka peyakoskânewihk" part, not the "You live in Canada" part.

So your claim is that because it's 'human nature' to destroy other cultures (when in reality in the last few centuries it's only really been evident in 'white' culture) that we should treat all people outside of our own culture as attackers? What do you think causes such behavior? Perhaps the very ideology that people not of your culture are a threat, hmmmmm?

Theirs is a real immigration but it's an exception....not a trend...
And walloons are much more compatable to our society then arabs or other non-europeans....
I've noticed that in order for your claims to be true you have to claim a lot of things are exceptions. Walloons. Samis. Pretty much all of the evidence that says that your point is completely without merit. Interesting how that works.

Exactly. My fiancee is half caucasian, half korean. I tackle her into bed every night.

Our kids will be %.05 more resistant to diseases.

Hell, isn't it?

I only married a Cherokee because I was thinking about the disease resistance for the next generation....

(I need a 'straight-face' emoticon...)

So your claim is that because it's 'human nature' to destroy other cultures (when in reality in the last few centuries it's only really been evident in 'white' culture) that we should treat all people outside of our own culture as attackers? What do you think causes such behavior? Perhaps the very ideology that people not of your culture are a threat, hmmmmm?

Not a threat....but other cultures have their own space, so I'd rather dont have them invading mine...

Not a threat....but other cultures have their own space, so I'd rather dont have them invading mine...

So why are you 'invading' these multi-cultural forums?

Not a threat....but other cultures have their own space, so I'd rather dont have them invading mine...

Invading? Are they being allowed in? Did my buddy 'invade' last night when he knocked and I opened the door?

Not a threat....but other cultures have their own space, so I'd rather dont have them invading mine...

And in fifty years, they'll be an integral part of Norwegian culture. You won't lose the Norwegian part of your culture, you'll gain some Muslim and Middle-Eastern culture. Your culture will change. It won't die out. It won't cease to be. The only thing to fear here, is fear itself.

And in fifty years, they'll be an integral part of Norwegian culture. You won't lose the Norwegian part of your culture, you'll gain some Muslim and Middle-Eastern culture. Your culture will change. It won't die out. It won't cease to be. The only thing to fear here, is fear itself.

I dont want muslim and mid. eastern elements integrated to my society. Maybe we can import belly dancer costumes but not the people....

So why are you 'invading' these multi-cultural forums?

Is it the forum policy?

I dont want muslim and mid. eastern elements integrated to my society. Maybe we can import belly dancer costumes but not the people....

And why don't you want them?

Oh no! I don't understand their culture! They must be evil! Kill em all!

Invading? Are they being allowed in? Did my buddy 'invade' last night when he knocked and I opened the door?

immigration laws are strict but they keep coming. Most people dont want them but our 'democratic' goverment accepts them.

I dont want muslim and mid. eastern elements integrated to my society. Maybe we can import belly dancer costumes but not the people....

So in other words this about the fact that you don't like middle-easterners. That's what we said earlier and you claimed otherwise. You simply don't like middle-easterners. It's okay. Just stop pretending like your claims are supported by science or by studies or by history or anything else. You, personally, don't like foreigners and you want to have your way. We get it. You aren't likely to get your way, though, so you're likely to either spend a lot of time upset or you're going to have to accept that you're position is untenable.

And why don't you want them?

Oh no! I don't understand their culture! They must be evil! Kill em all!

I love Norway and I want to conserve it mostly....Muslim and other non-european and to a degree non-scandinavians means a change I dont want...

Is it the forum policy?

No. Is it 'scandinavian policy'?

immigration laws are strict but they keep coming. Most people dont want them but our 'democratic' goverment accepts them.

They are being allowed in by the owners of the country, the government. If you don't like it change the government, but no matter how you slice it they are not invaders.

I love Norway and I want to conserve it mostly....Muslim and other non-european and to a degree non-scandinavians means a change I dont want...
You love PARTS of Norway. Not Samis or the various other people different from you.

I love Norway and I want to conserve it mostly....Muslim and other non-european and to a degree non-scandinavians means a change I dont want...

England has a far higher Muslim proportion of people than Norway, and our culture hasn't been affected at all.

So in other words this about the fact that you don't like middle-easterners. That's what we said earlier and you claimed otherwise. You simply don't like middle-easterners. It's okay. Just stop pretending like your claims are supported by science or by studies or by history or anything else. You, personally, don't like foreigners and you want to have your way. We get it. You aren't likely to get your way, though, so you're likely to either spend a lot of time upset or you're going to have to accept that you're position is untenable.

Who knows? Our anti-immigrant party keeps increasing their votes...And maybe by posting here I changed someone's opinion who might come into an important position one day...A very low chance, I know, but I'm glad I wrote my opinion to a popular forum....

No. Is it 'scandinavian policy'?

This is why I had to jump in. See how easy it was to break him down to the real point once we took away his ability to slip past arguments using fallacies like ad hominems and whatnot.

I love Norway and I want to conserve it mostly....Muslim and other non-european and to a degree non-scandinavians means a change I dont want...

I don't want to get old and die... but, you know what? Shit happens, and, get used to it or don't, you're going to be in the ground in a few years anyway.

England has a far higher Muslim proportion of people than Norway, and our culture hasn't been affected at all.

Yet...

Who knows? Our anti-immigrant party keeps increasing their votes...And maybe by posting here I changed someone's opinion who might come into an important position one day...A very low chance, I know, but I'm glad I wrote my opinion to a popular forum....

For the Norsefire Party!

Norway Prevails!

It seems to me that every forum post i join has Yootopia supporting the opposite side, obviously he is my evil nemisis from the planet EGW! Soon Yootopia you will learn not everyone is an evil green facist!

Who knows? Our anti-immigrant party keeps increasing their votes...And maybe by posting here I changed someone's opinion who might come into an important position one day...A very low chance, I know, but I'm glad I wrote my opinion to a popular forum....

And, as I said when I originally entered the thread, if that is your goal you should do a little more work here. Your arguments got pretty handily torn apart until you were basically supporting yourself with "I don't like them". On this particular forum, people expect a little more. I think you did more for your opponents than you did for your side of the debate.

They are being allowed in by the owners of the country, the government. If you don't like it change the government, but no matter how you slice it they are not invaders.

It's more like a political estableshment thing. People are afraid to tell what they really want because of fear of being politically incorrect or being branded nazi...

I dont want muslim and mid. eastern elements integrated to my society. Maybe we can import belly dancer costumes but not the people....

Then you can live in one of those silly little villages deep in the mountains where nearly everyone is still mostly pagan (because Christianity never penetrated that far/overlooked it/whatever). There, you will be safe from the world and you'll get a good taste of 'pure' Norwegian culture, before those silly Italians forced you to have Christianity and those silly Germans gave you Martin Luther.

I don't want to get old and die... but, you know what? Shit happens, and, get used to it or don't, you're going to be in the ground in a few years anyway.

well, more than a few years actually (hopefully) And I'm thinking about future generations....

It's more like a political estableshment thing. People are afraid to tell what they really want because of fear of being politically incorrect or being branded nazi...

Perhaps you are familiar with Russian fairy tale of Cinderella.

If shoes fits....

And, as I said when I originally entered the thread, if that is your goal you should do a little more work here. Your arguments got pretty handily torn apart until you were basically supporting yourself with "I don't like them". On this particular forum, people expect a little more. I think you did more for your opponents than you did for your side of the debate.

I dont agree my arguments are torn apart...Tell me which, and I can reply...

well, more than a few years actually (hopefully) And I'm thinking about future generations....

But, YOUR prejudices might not be what your 'next generation' wants... you are going to force them to live in your distopian vision, just because YOU don't like guys with dark skin?

Yet...

And this is why your views were called xenophobic, you seem to have an irrational fear that foreigners are going to destroy your culture despite evidence to the contrary.

It's Cree...it kind of means 'all in the family/tribe', meaning we're all family. A really big, brawling, insane family...but related nonetheless.

Ah, I see. Makes sense.

But, YOUR prejudices might not be what your 'next generation' wants... you are going to force them to live in your distopian vision, just because YOU don't like guys with dark skin?

They can always move to Canada if they like multicultural society...

I dont agree my arguments are torn apart...Tell me which, and I can reply...

How about... all of them?

They can always move to Canada if they like multicultural society...

By the same token, you can always choose to live far away from other people, if you DON'T like multicultural society...

Then you can live in one of those silly little villages deep in the mountains where nearly everyone is still mostly pagan (because Christianity never penetrated that far/overlooked it/whatever). There, you will be safe from the world and you'll get a good taste of 'pure' Norwegian culture, before those silly Italians forced you to have Christianity and those silly Germans gave you Martin Luther.

I like germans and italians actually, grateful for their contributions to our life. That doesnt mean I'd like 30 million italians move to norway. Which they wont, considering they'd have to be insane to leave that climate...

They can always move to Canada if they like multicultural society...

Same like you can always move to the mountains if you don't want to see brown people.

Really, you're just making yourself look worse with every post you make. You've only proven yourself to be a racist, no better than the racists of early-century america.

And this is why your views were called xenophobic, you seem to have an irrational fear that foreigners are going to destroy your culture despite evidence to the contrary.

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...

Same like you can always move to the mountains if you don't want to see brown people.

Really, you're just making yourself look worse with every post you make. You've only proven yourself to be a racist, no better than the racists of early-century america.

You keep repeating everyone else...And I answered why I'm not racist. CANT U READ?

I dont agree my arguments are torn apart...Tell me which, and I can reply...

That the Norwegian population has not had any real immigration by non-Europeans in the last 1000 years. Proven wrong. That Scandanavian culture has been largely stagnant in that time. This is despite the fact that in the middle ages there were largely tribes and that the nationalized idea of Norway is a relatively new phenomena. Your claims that ethnicity and culture are equal. Your claims that monkeys are as genetically similar to humans as human are to each other (or at least this one was implied when you argued one to debunk the other). You later demonstrated you don't know that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. Your claims that genetics and culture are related, even though several people in this thread versed enough in biology to know that apes and monkeys are not the same showed otherwise.

Shall I go on?

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...
*leaps in*

DON'T TRY TO COMPARE THESE SITUATIONS.

Again. On one hand, you have mass murder, environmental degradation, and the attempted cultural genocide of the few remaining original inhabitants of a continent.

On the other hand, you have people who are legally entering your country, to become citizens of said country.

NOT the same thing.

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...

Actually, the 'slaughtering the natives' was the problem, there...

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...

No, murder and disease destroyed local culture.

You keep repeating everyone else...
It bears repeating.

So your claim is that because it's 'human nature' to destroy other cultures

Yes, I'd say greed and violence are pretty common human traits.

(when in reality in the last few centuries it's only really been evident in 'white' culture)

If you think it's unique to white cultures you should do a little more research.
There are places in the middle east that still haven't recovered from the Mongol invasion.

The only reason it's been evident in white culture is that for the past few centuries the Europeans have had the technological advantages they needed to sail around the world and do this.

that we should treat all people outside of our own culture as attackers? What do you think causes such behavior? Perhaps the very ideology that people not of your culture are a threat, hmmmmm?

Well, some of them are attackers.

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...

No, immigration was not the problem. INVASION was. Foreign states claimed the Americas as their own lands, and then pursued active military campaigns to eliminate the locals.

You've already shown that you can't tell the difference between immigration and invasion.

But the rest of us understand the difference because we don't have your xenophobic bunker mentality.

Large scale immigration destroyed local cultures....ex: north and south america...

And Muslim immigration to Europe is nowhere near the scale that immigration was to the Americas (and their cultures still exist, BTW. It's their empires that died).

*Ring ring.*

Hello? Sure, I'll tell him. May I ask who's calling? Thanks.

Ny Nordland, Reality is calling for you.

You keep repeating everyone else...

Actually, I just say the same thing. I hit "quote" on one of your posts, and by the time I'm done, someone else has already said what I was going to say, worded differently, with something missing.

You keep repeating everyone else...

That's the thing about 'truth'... it doesn't get less 'true' with repetition...

Yes, I'd say greed and violence are pretty common human traits.

Yep. They exist within your culture as well. You aren't very well going to keep them out through xenophobia.

If you think it's unique to white cultures you should do a little more research.
There are places in the middle east that still haven't recovered from the Mongol invasion.

Hmmmm... that happened in the last few centuries? I didn't realize.

The only reason it's been evident in white culture is that for the past few centuries the Europeans have had the technological advantages they needed to sail around the world and do this.

Interesting that other cultures did it before the existence of those advances. Is it at all possible that some cultures are that agressive and some aren't? It can't be the technology if such aggression existed before the technology.


Well, some of them are attackers.
So are some people within your culture.

Hmmmm... that happened in the last few centuries? I didn't realize.

I guess some of the Mongols must have got cut off from the rest of the horde... and they just hadn't realised the war was over..... for... like... 800 years...

I guess some of the Mongols must have got cut off from the rest of the horde... and they just hadn't realised the war was over..... for... like... 800 years...

Ha, that's exactly what I thought when I read it. Last I checked, Norway was still recovering from the Germanic invasion. The Arabs will help, methinks.

If you think it's unique to white cultures you should do a little more research.
There are places in the middle east that still haven't recovered from the Mongol invasion.

Actually... that's one of the last parts of anti-Mongol propaganda floating around. The Mongols and the current state of affairs in some parts of the world have nothing to do with each other.

Oh. And everyone here should thank God that Europe was so useless and dirt poor that the Mongols didn't want to invade Europe. Otherwise you'd all be facing East five times a day.... Not that that would be a bad thing, mind you. But I'm sure it would bugger the hell out of a lot of you.

I wasn't attacking the Middle East or Mongolians- I was trying to provide an example of how destroying other people's culture is something that's pretty universal for humanity, and not just something that only white people have done.

But yes, it is irrelevant. If Europeans, or anyone else for that matter, want to try to preserve their culture, or the current ethnic make-up of their own country- then go for it.

That the Norwegian population has not had any real immigration by non-Europeans in the last 1000 years. Proven wrong. That Scandanavian culture has been largely stagnant in that time. This is despite the fact that in the middle ages there were largely tribes and that the nationalized idea of Norway is a relatively new phenomena. Your claims that ethnicity and culture are equal. Your claims that monkeys are as genetically similar to humans as human are to each other (or at least this one was implied when you argued one to debunk the other). You later demonstrated you don't know that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. Your claims that genetics and culture are related, even though several people in this thread versed enough in biology to know that apes and monkeys are not the same showed otherwise.

Shall I go on?


1) LOL...You think walloons are non europeans? Oh my god!!
2)nationalized idea of Norway is a relatively new phenomena? 12 centuries is relatively new to you? LOL. Harald Fairhair gathered the small kingdoms into one and in 872 with the battle of Hafrsfjord, he became the first king of a united Norway.
3)I didnt say ethnicity and culture are equal...I said there were links..
4)Apes are very smilar to humans genetically...99% of their genes are like us.
That doesnt mean they are human...
Smilarly humans are very close between themselves, that doesnt mean we are all the same. That doesnt mean one group is superior or inferior. I'm just saying there are some differences.
5) Genetics and culture...read this...
http://top.anthropik.com/index.php?title=The_Interplay_of_Genetics_and_Culture
6)I told them monkeys. Because I thought u'd understand my point. I was lazy to look up how to spell chimp. Since you guys constantly criticize my spelling instead of arguments....

Basically, what u guys (3 or 4 guys)doing is the same thing...You are following the sheep pattern....You all agree, keep repeating eachother....tell me constantly that I lose, that my arguments is dead. Instead of reading my posts u just keep rephrasing each other. If u dont want to read what I write, dont bother to reply...As u can see my arguments still stand.
And I'm not racist. I told it before, I told that I wouldnt want white americans in large numbers moving to norway too(which they wont).
I dont support violence. I'm not nazi.
I keep repeating myself because, apparently, people CANT READ. So I guess I told all I think. and people shouldnt respond me (and emberass themselves)before reading the whole thread.

Oh yes. I for one am very emberassed. *yawn*

I keep repeating myself because, apparently, people CANT READ. So I guess I told all I think. and people shouldnt respond me (and emberass themselves)before reading the whole thread.

People? Not being able to read? Aren't you, like, the poster child for that? :p

No, immigration was not the problem. INVASION was. Foreign states claimed the Americas as their own lands, and then pursued active military campaigns to eliminate the locals.

You've already shown that you can't tell the difference between immigration and invasion.

But the rest of us understand the difference because we don't have your xenophobic bunker mentality.

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?

People? Not being able to read? Aren't you, like, the poster child for that? :p

Are you the poster child for brain-dead?

Basically, what u guys (3 or 4 guys)doing is the same thing...You are following the sheep pattern....You all agree, keep repeating eachother....tell me constantly that I lose, that my arguments is dead.

No, I respond to you on my own basis. That others agree with me and no one agrees with you doesn't make us "sheep." It means your 'arguments' are contradictory bullshit used to mask your essential problem: xenophobia.

No, I respond to you on my own basis. That others agree with me and no one agrees with you doesn't make us "sheep." It means your 'arguments' are contradictory bullshit used to mask your essential problem: xenophobia.

It makes you sheep when you keep rephrazing each other...and say nothing original...
If you equate preserving the culture and ethnicity of your country to xenophobia, do that 5 year old reality check phone thing...

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?

It's not an invasion even then, not until there's a decisive stand from the "un-natives" that they're going to violently take over the country.

Until then, it's just assimilation and coexistence. Something you're very afraid of, as you've shown us.

5) Genetics and culture...read this...
http://top.anthropik.com/index.php?title=The_Interplay_of_Genetics_and_Culture


I don't think you read that article. It doesn't support your xenophobia at all.

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?

I know you see it as invasion. And you're wrong. Immigration isn't invasion. If your "native" people are becoming a minority, get laid more often, have more kids and stop whining. You think you have a right to be a majority? You can't be arsed to breed, so you'll complain that others DARE to have children. Well holy shit, partner, imagine that: other people can get laid and you can't!

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?

Except you're not a minority in your own country. By the time you are, the majority will have adopted most of your culture, you'll be six feet under, and so forth. Unless you honestly believe that your culture is the same as your parents and your parents' is the same as your grandparents.

To misquote what someone once said, "History is on our side. We will bury you. Your children will be married to Muslims."

And, if memory serves, Norway just recently celebrated its Centennial. Until that time (one hundred years ago... duh) Norway was mostly ruled by Sweden. Or Denmark. Or a Norwegian who also ruled Sweden and Denmark.

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?
The part where the invasion, involving slaughter, is somehow akin to peaceful, non-slaughtery immigration...

It makes you sheep when you keep rephrazing each other...and say nothing original...
If you equate preserving the culture and ethnicity of your country to xenophobia, do that 5 year old reality check phone thing...

Fine. I'll say something different.

You should be dragged out into the street and shot. Just like Quisling.

I know you see it as invasion. And you're wrong. Immigration isn't invasion. If your "native" people are becoming a minority, get laid more often, have more kids and stop whining. You think you have a right to be a majority? You can't be arsed to breed, so you'll complain that others DARE to have children. Well holy shit, partner, imagine that: other people can get laid and you can't!

Can you be any more moronic?
Muslims get laid more then etnic norwegians? haha
Thx for explaining me the problem

Fine. I'll say something different.

You should be dragged out into the street and shot. Just like Quisling.

ok u think 'xenophonia' is a problem but murder isnt? You are sick and retarded...I wont reply to you anymore, you arent worth it....

Can you be any more moronic?
Muslims get laid more then etnic norwegians? haha
Thx for explaining me the problem

If they don't get laid more, then how come they are outbreeding you (as you seem to be worried about)? They just don't fuck each other in the ass like you do, or what?

ok u think 'xenophonia' is a problem but murder isnt? You are sick and retarded...I wont reply to you anymore, you arent worth it....

Quisling was executed, not murdered.

HAHA! I know Norwegian history better than the Norwegian!

Can you be any more moronic?
Muslims get laid more then etnic norwegians? haha
Thx for explaining me the problem

He's making fun of you. Just thought you'd like to know. That wasn't an actual argument as to why muslims could be more fruitful than the 'natives', it was just making fun of you. He did a good job. I laughed at your expense.

No one can be anti-immigration. Everyone in the world immigrated at one point, whether it was them or their ancestors. Immigration can stimulate the economy, provide a better life for others, and immigrants sometimes take jobs that the own country's citizens will not take.

If they don't get laid more, then how come they are outbreeding you (as you seem to be worried about)? They just don't fuck each other in the ass like you do, or what?
SB! Calm down! And you make it sound like a bad thing...

If they don't get laid more, then how come they are outbreeding you (as you seem to be worried about)? They just don't fuck each other in the ass like you do, or what?

contraception?? say something intelligent!!!!

SB! Calm down! And you make it sound like a bad thing...

Damn, beat me to it. (Almost word for word, too...)

SB! Calm down! And you make it sound like a bad thing...

Oh, it's not a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with being gay. Hell, there's not even anything wrong with being a xenophobe. But being a lying little troll does get on my nerves.

He's making fun of you. Just thought you'd like to know. That wasn't an actual argument as to why muslims could be more fruitful than the 'natives', it was just making fun of you. He did a good job. I laughed at your expense.

Are we even then? I laughed at u too...

1) LOL...You think walloons are non europeans? Oh my god!!

I said that? Quote me. Because you missed evidence doesn't mean that the only evidence you see is the only evidence there. I'm tiring of doing your work for you.

2)nationalized idea of Norway is a relatively new phenomena? 12 centuries is relatively new to you? LOL. Harald Fairhair gathered the small kingdoms into one and in 872 with the battle of Hafrsfjord, he became the first king of a united Norway.

Norwegian nationalism didn't really exist until the 19th century. Having a kind is not the same as the united tribes viewing themselves as one culture. I notice you don't know the difference.

3)I didnt say ethnicity and culture are equal...I said there were links..

You said that genetics define culture so introducing new genetics would necessarily redefine the culture. It's a ridiculous and unsupported premise.

4)Apes are very smilar to humans genetically...99% of their genes are like us.
That doesnt mean they are human...

You said monkeys. You used the example of a chimpanzee to say that being genetically similar is unimportant but you fail to acknowledge that the similarity between a chimpanzee and a human is exponentially different to the similarity of humans of different ethnicities. Exponentially, in case you're unfamiliar with the word, means that the scales are so different that it doesn't make sense to compare them (in this context).

Smilarly humans are very close between themselves, that doesnt mean we are all the same. That doesnt mean one group is superior or inferior. I'm just saying there are some differences.

Again, you keep saying this, but the similarity cross-species and the similarities cross-ethnicities are on such a different scale as to make their comparison nonsensical. It's like saying that since two breeds of dog are similar and hyenas and dogs are similar that we might as well treat the level of similarity as equal. It's nonsense.

5) Genetics and culture...read this...
http://top.anthropik.com/index.php?title=The_Interplay_of_Genetics_and_Culture

You realize of course this is an argument for the development of human culture in general and not for genetic influence in seperate cultures, yes? You should read before you link, especially when it ends up supporting the points I've been making for ten pages.

6)I told them monkeys. Because I thought u'd understand my point. I was lazy to look up how to spell chimp. Since you guys constantly criticize my spelling instead of arguments....

They aren't monkeys. You were wrong. Stop being dishonest and admit you didn't know they weren't monkeys. How hard is it to spell ape? That's what they are. A-P-E. I'm criticizing that you don't know the difference between an ape and a monkey and a human and you are making biological arguments. Forgive me while I scoff.

Basically, what u guys (3 or 4 guys)doing is the same thing...You are following the sheep pattern....You all agree, keep repeating eachother....tell me constantly that I lose, that my arguments is dead. Instead of reading my posts u just keep rephrasing each other. If u dont want to read what I write, dont bother to reply...As u can see my arguments still stand.

We repeat each other because the truth always sounds the same. I read every one of your posts. They are based on made-up evidence, ignoring known evidence, calling anything that disagrees with you an exception, ad hominems, dropped arguments, etc. Yes, your arguments still stands... as long as you ignore all evidence to the contrary.

And I'm not racist. I told it before, I told that I wouldnt want white americans in large numbers moving to norway too(which they wont).

When did I call you racist. I explained why people are calling you xenophobic. You seem to ignore all reason and claim that the evil foreigners are coming to destroy your culture. Even in cases where they came and culture wasn't destroyed, you simply claim it just hasn't happened yet. That's pretty much classic xenophobia.

I dont support violence. I'm not nazi.
I keep repeating myself because, apparently, people CANT READ. So I guess I told all I think. and people shouldnt respond me (and emberass themselves)before reading the whole thread.
Everyone has read your posts and replied to them. You repeat yourself and someone replies. You have yet to demonstrate anything that actually supports your claim.

Again, your argument boils down to, "I don't like 'em".

I also find it funny how Chrisitan get all scared by Muslims implementing Sharia law when much of the law in Christian countries is based upon the bible.

We should deal with our own extremists before telling other people who to deal with theirs.

Immigrants are great, and I don't think the UK can get enough of them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, based on the Bible and if Muslims wanted their laws based on the Koran, that might be Ok, as it is supposedly the word of Allah but Sharia, well, that's just too human for me, it's the equivalent of using human dogma and I think laws and religion should be kept separate. Besides, in the West, we are secular and leave religion to those who seek it. Would you really be OK with being tried on religious laws and punishments cause I don't like the sound of it at all.

SB! Calm down! And you make it sound like a bad thing...

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Work it out

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It's DARE

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That's what you do, baby
Hold it down, DARE

Jump with the moon and move it
Jump back and forth
And feel like you were there yourself
Work it out

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It makes you sheep when you keep rephrazing each other...and say nothing original...
If you equate preserving the culture and ethnicity of your country to xenophobia, do that 5 year old reality check phone thing...

Perhaps you should look up the definition of xenophobia.

xenophobia \ZEN-uh-FOE-bee-uh\, noun:
Fear or hatred of strangers, people from other countries, or of anything that is strange or foreign.

Damn, beat me to it. (Almost word for word, too...)
A man after my own heart...and SB...if you think it's only for gays...*shakes head sadly*...you my friend, are missing out!

Ok native people being minority in their own country...I see that as invasion...I told it before, what part u didnt geT?

One, you should probably look up the word invasion.

Two, the majority of your immigrants are not from the Arabian peninsula.

contraception?? say something intelligent!!!!

Right, you're killing your own babies, but then you blame the immigrants for raising children instead of having unproductive, hedonistic lifestyles. You murder your own future off, but then blame immigrants for not doing the same thing.

Right, you're killing your own babies, but then you blame the immigrants for raising children instead of having unproductive, hedonistic lifestyles. You murder your own future off, but then blame immigrants for not doing the same thing.

You view condom as a murder? or jerking off?
LOL ok, enough of u....

It makes you sheep when you keep rephrazing each other...and say nothing original...
If you equate preserving the culture and ethnicity of your country to xenophobia, do that 5 year old reality check phone thing...

We're not repeating each other. We're responding. We're stating facts in evidence. Oddly, the facts in evidence don't change regardless of who is replying to you. That doesn't make us sheep. It makes us educated.

contraception?? say something intelligent!!!!

Easily solved. If you want more kids, stop using them. If you don't want more kids, then yes, they will outbreed you.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of xenophobia.

xenophobia \ZEN-uh-FOE-bee-uh\, noun:
Fear or hatred of strangers, people from other countries, or of anything that is strange or foreign.

*yawns* I dont hate strangers, I dont fear them. I just dont want the change they bring...

You view condom as a murder? or jerking off?
LOL ok, enough of u....

Not really, I think he was just suggesting you follow the Muslim example and have more babies as opposed to using condoms. That way you can fend off the invasion and instead create a horrible problem of overpopulation.

I laughed at you again, by the way.

Can you be any more moronic?
Muslims get laid more then etnic norwegians? haha
Thx for explaining me the problem

I see we've gotten back around to ad hominems. I thought you said that insults and namecalling were evidence of a faulty argument. Did this basic law suddenly change in the last couple of pages?

Yeah, based on the Bible and if Muslims wanted their laws based on the Koran, that might be Ok, as it is supposedly the word of Allah but Sharia, well, that's just too human for me, it's the equivalent of using human dogma and I think laws and religion should be kept separate. Besides, in the West, we are secular and leave religion to those who seek it. Would you really be OK with being tried on religious laws and punishments cause I don't like the sound of it at all.

Actually, Western laws are based on the following:

-British Common Law (big in Britain (duh), the Commonwealth, and the US... pre-dates Christianity by centuries)
-The Napoleonic Code (Napoleon disliked the Church) (big elsewhere in Europe)
-Hammurabi's Code (Which was... just a little before the Bible. Just a little....)

No Bible. None. Nadda. Western law is not at all based on the Bible.

*yawns* I dont hate strangers, I dont fear them. I just dont want the change they bring...

You're afraid of their influence.

You're afraid of their influence.

Ok u read my mind? wow

You view condom as a murder? or jerking off?
LOL ok, enough of u....

Hey, if you view immigration as an invasion, why not see a condom as murder? You are after all, murdering your country's future - just so you can have sex without children.

And then when other people DO have children, you blame THEM because you know that EVENTUALLY they will outnumber you. But it isn't their fault. It's yours. And you know it.

Go on, deny it, call me a sheep, whatever. But it's true and we both know it. You, Norway, are failing because you'd rather jerk off instead of raise a family.

Hey, if you view immigration as an invasion, why not see a condom as murder? You are after all, murdering your country's future - just so you can have sex without children.

And then when other people DO have children, you blame THEM because you know that EVENTUALLY they will outnumber you. But it isn't their fault. It's yours. And you know it.

Go on, deny it, call me a sheep, whatever. But it's true and we both know it. You, Norway, are failing because you'd rather jerk off instead of raise a family.

Maybe we should repress women and force them to stay home to raise family like some muslims do...

*yawns* I dont hate strangers, I dont fear them. I just dont want the change they bring...

Um, that's the 'strange and foreign' part. You fear their culture.

Hey, if you view immigration as an invasion, why not see a condom as murder? You are after all, murdering your country's future - just so you can have sex without children.

And then when other people DO have children, you blame THEM because you know that EVENTUALLY they will outnumber you. But it isn't their fault. It's yours. And you know it.

Go on, deny it, call me a sheep, whatever. But it's true and we both know it. You, Norway, are failing because you'd rather jerk off instead of raise a family.

He's not Norway. Call him Vidkun.

Ok u read my mind? wow

I've got a knack for knowing what simple-minded people are thinking, because, y'know... their minds and thoughts are simple. Makes it a lot easier.

A man after my own heart...and SB...if you think it's only for gays...*shakes head sadly*...you my friend, are missing out!

And, you mean it from the bottom of your heart?

Or the heart of....

;)

Ok u read my mind? wow

You said so. You do know what influence is, yes?

This has become boring....I made my points...I guess I'm talking with 5 people, because no one new is posting....5 vs 1, enough for now....

This has become boring....I made my points...I guess I'm talking with 5 people, because no one new is posting....5 vs 1, enough for now....

You reap what you sow. You made lost of inflammatory and untrue claims and basically a ton of regulars jumped in here to show you that what you were saying was false. What did you expect?

To everyone else, calm down, please. Calling him names and making flamebaiting and flamish posts are not helping.

besides me...just curious

Well, no.

I understand you though.

I am in England and we have had a large scale immigration of Poles and Slovaks. My goodness their women are beautiful and far better than ours. Also they are actually rather agreeable.

As a bonus the men aren't handsome.

Ah, yes. I am all for the accession to the EU.

An influx of better looking foreign women cannot apply to Norway, though.

This has become boring....I made my points...I guess I'm talking with 5 people, because no one new is posting....5 vs 1, enough for now....

Yes, that'll be it. The numbers are against you... THAT's the problem...

This has become boring....I made my points...I guess I'm talking with 5 people, because no one new is posting....5 vs 1, enough for now....

Maybe those odds are supposed to tell you something, like, maybe you're wrong, and there's a reason you're alone on this subject?

This has become boring....I made my points...I guess I'm talking with 5 people, because no one new is posting....5 vs 1, enough for now....

We outbreed you, invade your country, and turn your so-called democracy into Tyrany by Majority!

:eek:

But I've said too much!

Alt for Norge!

Enig og tro til Dovre faller!

*yawns* I dont hate strangers, I dont fear them. I just dont want the change they bring...

and you don't want it because ....

meethinks you are going in circles.

I'm in favor of deportation for Muslims.

You reap what you sow. You made lost of inflammatory and untrue claims and basically a ton of regulars jumped in here to show you that what you were saying was false. What did you expect?

To everyone else, calm down, please. Calling him names and making flamebaiting and flamish posts are not helping.

But it makes me feel better.

*Faux-pout.*

I'm in favor of deportation for Muslims.

From everywhere?

Like... on rockets?

A man after my own heart...and SB...if you think it's only for gays...*shakes head sadly*...you my friend, are missing out!

Oh, hey, I don't think it's only for gays. I've ploughed the old dirt road now and then myself. I find it interesting in a novelty kind of way, but not really all that great. And I get leery about ripping someone open like that, I know it can't be good for 'em.

To everyone else, calm down, please. Calling him names and making flamebaiting and flamish posts are not helping.
Yeah, that just shows what you know geekyfreakymashtinenburgmcfee!

From everywhere?

Like... on rockets?
From Europe. And if it takes rockets. So be it.

Oh, hey, I don't think it's only for gays. I've ploughed the old dirt road now and then myself. I find it interesting in a novelty kind of way, but not really all that great. And I get leery about ripping someone open like that, I know it can't be good for 'em.
You're doing it wrong.

TG me for instructions:D

You're doing it wrong.

I'm just big-boned.

I'm just big-boned.
I admit, I laughed!

I abhor immigration. I consider myself politically justified and rational in all other respects, but immigration is one concept I simply find objectionable. Why can we not economically enslave them in their own state? It would enegender the same result, and save my nation the excrutiating transition to multiculturalism.

Ok....now I'm not saying this to pick a fight, but I genuinely want to know: what is the matter with people from other countries coming to live in your country? Are you just scared of people who are different from you? I mean, I'm sure I could read the last like 43 pages but it just seems like a lot of people bickering.....I just want to know what is so terrible about immigration.

From Europe. And if it takes rockets. So be it.

I'm sick of dealing with you ethnofacists.

Ah'll beh bahk.

From everywhere?

Like... on rockets?

Darnit. You made me choke, you punk. (there goes the namecalling. When will it ever END?!?)

Not really, I think he was just suggesting you follow the Muslim example and have more babies as opposed to using condoms. That way you can fend off the invasion and instead create a horrible problem of overpopulation.

I laughed at you again, by the way.

are u one of those retarded people who keep laughing to stupid things?

are u one of those retarded people who keep laughing to stupid things?

Someone wise once told me that insults are a sign that one's argument is weak. Perhaps you should stop using them.

I'm sick of dealing with you ethnofacists.

Ah'll beh bahk.

get a dictionary and look up fascist...but maybe I excpect too much of u

I'm sick of dealing with you ethnofacists.

Ah'll beh bahk.
I'm not twisting your arm to post here.

Someone wise once told me that insults are a sign that one's argument is weak. Perhaps you should stop using them.

Yeah but after receiving so many, I need to give some back...
Because it doesnt always feel very well to let these idiots get away with moronic comments...

I'm not twisting your arm to post here.

Yes you are! OW! Ouch. See? I'm posting! Could you please stop-... thank you.

TG me for instructions:D

Show, don't tell! :cool:

From Europe. And if it takes rockets. So be it.

Why, particularly, Muslims?

Yes you are! OW! Ouch. See? I'm posting! Could you please stop-... thank you.

Do u have a condition where your iq constantly drops? it must be a very rare syndrome

Yeah but after receiving so many, I need to give some back...
Because it doesnt always feel very well to let these idiots get away with moronic comments...

Hey, I'm just warning you. One, it hurts you're argument. Two, flaming is against the rules. It pretty much harms everything you are trying to do here. But, hey, don't believe me. Go ahead, keep calling them idiots, retards and morons. It really makes your point well. I know whenever I see somone using 20% of their posts to call people names I think they must have one humdinger of an argument.

Yes you are! OW! Ouch. See? I'm posting! Could you please stop-... thank you.
*twist a little more*No I'm not.

From Europe. And if it takes rockets. So be it.

Join the club. Only I was going to make them use public transport. The irony would be delicious.

Hey, I'm just warning you. One, it hurts you're argument. Two, flaming is against the rules. It pretty much harms everything you are trying to do here. But, hey, don't believe me. Go ahead, keep calling them idiots, retards and morons. It really makes your point well. I know whenever I see somone using 20% of their posts to call people names I think they must have one humdinger of an argument.

Ok I stop...I'll answer your big post later...havent answered that yet...

Why, particularly, Muslims?
Crime, terror. Take your pick. We have enough criminals of our own. No need to import more and feed them.

*twist a little more*No I'm not.

*Crack*

Hey! That felt kinda good. Why is my right hand on my left shoulder, even though my arm is behind me?

Ok...so I take it since no one has answered me that yes, you are against immigration because you are scared of people who are different than you? Ok...thanks....glad I got that cleared up.

Ok...so I take it since no one has answered me that yes, you are against immigration because you are scared of people who are different than you? Ok...thanks....glad I got that cleared up.

That's pretty much the concensus, yes.

*Crack*

Hey! That felt kinda good. Why is my right hand on my left shoulder, even though my arm is behind me?
Maybe your just very limber. Or your shoulder is dislocated. *cracks arm back into position*
Nope. Not dislocated.

Ok...so I take it since no one has answered me that yes, you are against immigration because you are scared of people who are different than you? Ok...thanks....glad I got that cleared up.

it's a matter of preservation, not fear...

Here is my view on this issue...

1.Its NOT anti-immigration its Illegal immigration
2.Back then you could cross the boarder no Big deal then. But society has changed radically and now terrorist are becoming a major threat.
3.Now we just asking that you do it legally, like…. going to a local U.S. embassy we got lots of them in Mexico and across the world.
4.Plus other countries have the right to do this but we can’t.
5.Mexico is building a wall of their own across Guatemala and Belize. But Mexico is saying that we shouldn’t build a wall!
6. Why don’t they try to fix there own country for once.
7. We can NOT solve everyone’s problems.
8. The stupid kids protesting don’t know what they are doing. Waving around a Mexican flag but yet they want to stay here, then they turn our flag upside down and the Mexican flag above it.
9.The Kids protesting should have had some beat the living crap out of them!
10.Illegal immigrants often do not pay income and social security.
11.They are not the back bone of are economy .their will always be a market for people who will pick oranges


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907


sorry for any grammer mistakes I am just in a big hurry

That's pretty much the concensus, yes.

Wow thats really intelligent. Ok, thanks Jerusales...I was just wondering.

it's a matter of preservation, not fear...

what are you trying to preserve exactly?

I have really bad gas tonight. Is it wrong to save it up and punish the catcher on the opposing softball team?

Incidentally, I have a game. Talk to y'all later.

Here is my view on this issue...

1.Its NOT anti-immigration its Illegal immigration

No. You are. The OP is against any immigration by Muslims, legal or otherwise.

3.Now we just asking that you do it legally, like…. going to a local U.S. embassy we got lots of them in Mexico and across the world.

Again, the OP isn't.

5.Mexico is building a wall of their own across Guatemala and Belize. But Mexico is saying that we shouldn’t build a wall!

Do as I say, not as I do.

6. Why don’t they try to fix there own country for once.

Why don't we?

7. We can NOT solve everyone’s problems.

No one is suggesting that we do.

8. The stupid kids protesting don’t know what they are doing. Waving around a Mexican flag but yet they want to stay here, then they turn our flag upside down and the Mexican flag above it.

True.

9.The Kids protesting should have had some beat the living crap out of them!

False.

10.Illegal immigrants often do not pay income and social security.

True.

11.They are not the back bone of are economy .their will always be a market for people who will pick oranges

Yes. But no American citizen will accept a job like that.

Wow thats really intelligent. Ok, thanks Jerusales...I was just wondering.

Shocking and horrifying, isn't it?

I guess that the Norwegians and Danes just didn't get the whole Nazi thing out of there system at the same time Germany did.

I think that anti-immigration verges very, very much on straight out racism. In fact, it's racism with a different name.

So no, I am not anti-immigrant. And if you live in America and are not Native American, you better not be either, as YOU are an immigrant.

I think that anti-immigration verges very, very much on straight out racism. In fact, it's racism with a different name.

So no, I am not anti-immigrant. And if you live in America and are not Native American, you better not be either, as YOU are an immigrant.


EXACTLY.

I am not anti-immigrant.
I am anti-illegal immigrant.
I am against people who broke the law by sneaking into our country, then demanding they be given rights only reserved for real US citizens who are natural born or went through through the paperwork to get here legally. If you break the laws you are a criminal. No if, ands, or buts about it!

I think that anti-immigration verges very, very much on straight out racism. In fact, it's racism with a different name.

So no, I am not anti-immigrant. And if you live in America and are not Native American, you better not be either, as YOU are an immigrant.

I assume that you mean Amerindians.

But, anyway:

Everyone born in the US is a native American.

Everyone born in the US has an ancestor who moved to America at some point in time, whether it's a day ago or ten thousand years ago (or longer).

Who the hell is dying to get into Norway anyway??? It's Norway!

The industrialized world (the U.S., Japan, and West Europe specifically) have rapidly aging populations. Because of long life expectancy and low birthrates, their populations are quickly aging, and there aren't enough young people to work. The rest of the world is young by comparison, and we need those young people. But I can't imagine an immigrant Japan. Fact is, Europeans need to get their heads out of their arses and start being a little bit tolerant of immigration.

Who the hell is dying to get into Norway anyway??? It's Norway!
no kiddin?
I can see people going into Amsterdam, but Norway?

Kreynoria']The industrialized world (the U.S., Japan, and West Europe specifically) have rapidly aging populations. Because of long life expectancy and low birthrates, their populations are quickly aging, and there aren't enough young people to work. The rest of the world is young by comparison, and we need those young people. But I can't imagine an immigrant Japan. Fact is, Europeans need to get their heads out of their arses and start being a little bit tolerant of immigration.

Oddly, Japan seems to like immigration. They know that they're slowly dying off, like Europe, but they seem to have embraced immigrants (particularly Westerners).

no kiddin?
I can see people going into Amsterdam, but Norway?
I wish they would stay out of Amsterdam.
Damn foreigners with their large suitcases on the train every day.
Can't sit anywhere and the damn suitcases are always in the way.

I am against all illegal immigration, and of the view that all immigrants coming into a nation should be of a high standard. Same of course for the nation's citizens.

*Looks at mirror*

No, I don't have a problem with immigrants.

As for "illegals" - grow up. These people take a bigger risk, they work harder, they want to get in more than any other sort of person.
If you disregard the crappy excuse of "I was born here, therefore I can decide who else gets to be here!", and go by how much someone wants it and works for it, then most natural citizens should get the f*ck out.

Maybe they should. I stick by what I said.

besides me...just curious
Hey, I called it right - early this morning, on the deleted "Prussian Blue" thread.

You ARE a Nazi symp, after all. What an underwhelming non-surprise.

I am not anti-immigrant.
I am anti-illegal immigrant.
I am against people who broke the law by sneaking into our country, then demanding they be given rights only reserved for real US citizens who are natural born or went through through the paperwork to get here legally. If you break the laws you are a criminal. No if, ands, or buts about it!

My, oh, my. You sure claim to be awfully passionate about some beaucratic paperwork and fees. Color me unconvinced.

My, oh, my. You sure claim to be awfully passionate about some beaucratic paperwork and fees. Color me unconvinced.

A legal immigrant got here through the proper channels, got their Social Security Number, pays his/her taxes and contributes to the system, and becomes a legal citizen. Illegal immigrants don't always do that. Often times they are paid under the table because it is illegal for the businesses that hired them to report them as employees come tax time beacuse they have no SSN. So they do not contribute directly to the system. And without the SSN, they get no health insurance or benefits. But they DO become a drain on the system. And it generates a lot of resentment when the society at large has to pick up the medical bill for Pedro and his family when he lives in his insular communities and does not attempt to assimilate into society like so many (strike that.... I mean ALL) other immigrants in the past have done. Or drives on the roads that he did not help pay for. And does not have to report for military service (when there is a draft).

It's not just bureaucratic paperwork, and you know it. Your comment is a rather horrid oversimplification.

A legal immigrant got here through the proper channels, got their Social Security Number, pays his/her taxes and contributes to the system, and becomes a legal citizen. Illegal immigrants don't always do that.

Hey, legal immigrants - or just plain native citizens - don't always do that either.

Frankly, California is supposed to be overrun with deadweight illegal immigrants, yet we pay more in taxes than we receive in services and we have the 9th largest economy in the world. Seems like the system is being contributed to here, at least...

Pedro and his family when he lives in his insular communities and does not attempt to assimilate into society

What is this, fucking Star Trek? YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED? I don't mean to "assimilate" into society either, are you gonna say I should be deported or what?

A legal immigrant got here through the proper channels, got their Social Security Number, pays his/her taxes and contributes to the system, and becomes a legal citizen. Illegal immigrants don't always do that. Often times they are paid under the table because it is illegal for the businesses that hired them to report them as employees come tax time beacuse they have no SSN.

So that's the immigrants fault?

So they do not contribute directly to the system. And without the SSN, they get no health insurance or benefits.
Sure they do. How much do you think your food bills would be if the produce, etc was picked by people getting paid wages and possible insurence?


But they DO become a drain on the system. And it generates a lot of resentment when the society at large has to pick up the medical bill for Pedro and his family when he lives in his insular communities and does not attempt to assimilate into society like so many (strike that.... I mean ALL) other immigrants in the past have done.

:D listening to you talk why would he attempt it? You would probably punch him.


Or drives on the roads that he did not help pay for. And does not have to report for military service (when there is a draft).

He probably would if you gave him a chance.

It's not just bureaucratic paperwork, and you know it. Your comment is a rather horrid oversimplification.

Actually yours was rather oversimplified.....

All of this is moot anyway... an expanding population versus a declining population will always win out, the population in decline will eventually unbreed itself out.

As the population declines the gene pool reduces. This eventually results in birth abnormalities, sterility and a genetic dead end.

The only hope of a dying 'race' is to breed with new genetic material... so the preservation of Norwegian culture may eventually depend on there being a lot of blue-eyed and coffee-coloured people wandering around.

I should embrace an influx of immigrants before pure born Norwegians are only distinguishable by their drooling imbecilic features.

What is this, fucking Star Trek? YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED? I don't mean to "assimilate" into society either, are you gonna say I should be deported or what?

Nope definitely not Star Trek. Otherwise you'd be probably be speaking Klingon instead of the profanity laced English you are currently using. The official language of this country is English. Not Spanish, or Russian, or French, or any other language. Eng-lish. Every immigrant that came here legally had to learn it.

Do you pay taxes?
Do you speak English in your workplace?

Then you have assimilated yourself into society. Whether you care for the term or not.

Kinda hostile aren't you?

Nope definitely not Star Trek. Otherwise you'd be probably be speaking Klingon instead of the profanity laced English you are currently using. The official language of this country is English. Not Spanish, or Russian, or French, or any other language. Eng-lish. Every immigrant that came here legally had to learn it.

Do you pay taxes?
Do you speak English in your workplace?

Then you have assimilated yourself into society. Whether you care for the term or not.

Kinda hostile aren't you?

I guess you were sleeping in history class. We don't have an official language

If you want to learn

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html

:D listening to you talk why would he attempt it? You would probably punch him.

Nope. Sorry to burst your frantically constructed preconceptions of my what my response would be, but I am not quite that angry a person. I notice you didn't bother to ask what I would do with the illegal immigrants already here. You just assumed.

Nice.

I should embrace an influx of immigrants before pure born Norwegians are only distinguishable by their drooling imbecilic features.
Too late...:p

I guess you were sleeping in history class. We don't have an official language

If you want to learn

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html

Nice link. As if that proves anything.

Nope definitely not Star Trek. Otherwise you'd be probably be speaking Klingon instead of the profanity laced English you are currently using. The official language of this country is English. Not Spanish, or Russian, or French, or any other language. Eng-lish. Every immigrant that came here legally had to learn it.

As someone else pointed out, it's not an official language.

Do you pay taxes?

Well now, if I were to say no, hypothetically speaking, then the IRS might get all over my ass now wouldn't it!


Do you speak English in your workplace?


Depends on who I'm talking to.


Kinda hostile aren't you?

Not really. Profanity doesn't equal hostility, and commonality doesn't equal officiality, and citizen doesn't equal assimilation.

besides me...just curiousWhy? 'Cause you don't like yellow skinned people like me?

Nice link. As if that proves anything.

LOL.

Let's see you prove English is the official language, as you claimed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_in_the_United_States
http://ask.yahoo.com/20011107.html
http://www.translationdirectory.com/article872.htm

Nice link. As if that proves anything.
We really don't have an official language, however I do like being able to communicate with those around me. Makes a whole lot of things easier.

The official language of this country is English.

What Indiana do you live in? - because it sure ain't the one in the USA.

Kreynoria']The industrialized world (the U.S., Japan, and West Europe specifically) have rapidly aging populations. Because of long life expectancy and low birthrates, their populations are quickly aging, and there aren't enough young people to work. The rest of the world is young by comparison, and we need those young people. But I can't imagine an immigrant Japan. Fact is, Europeans need to get their heads out of their arses and start being a little bit tolerant of immigration.

No. Why should we tolerate random people from god knows where being packed into our countries? We should ride out the low birthrates, rather that try to quick fix it and let the whole idea blow up in our face.

No. Why should we tolerate random people from god knows where being packed into our countries? We should ride out the low birthrates, rather that try to quick fix it and let the whole idea blow up in our face.

I think you would be adorable with a little Muslim in you!

[/sodomy joke]

Crime, terror. Take your pick. We have enough criminals of our own. No need to import more and feed them.

The non-muslim world is hardly devoid of crime and terror, and the muslim world is not entirely filled with crime and terror.

So - overall, we'd have status quo, with more dark coloured skins, yes?

If you want to be a racist, at least be brave enough to admit it.

I have really bad gas tonight. Is it wrong to save it up and punish the catcher on the opposing softball team?

Incidentally, I have a game. Talk to y'all later.

Very, VERY wrong... but funny. Especially if your timing is good enough to coincide with weak points in your game... causing humourous fumbles.

Then it's hilarious.

:D

Nice link. As if that proves anything.

WTF? It says right there at the top of the page:

Many people are surprised to learn that the United States has no official language. As one of the major centers of commerce and trade, and a major English-speaking country, many assume that English is the country's official language. But despite efforts over the years, the United States has no official language.

Someone didn't read it. Why is that not evidence that the US does not have an official language?

Nice link. As if that proves anything.

That we don't have an 'official language'...?

No. Why should we tolerate random people from god knows where being packed into our countries? We should ride out the low birthrates, rather that try to quick fix it and let the whole idea blow up in our face.I'm interested in knowing whether it was your Grandparents that moved to Australia or your parents, or was it an even earlier generation?

No. Why should we tolerate random people from god knows where being packed into our countries? We should ride out the low birthrates, rather that try to quick fix it and let the whole idea blow up in our face.

Unless your nation has a selective breeding program, even native births are "random people from god knows where"...

If your birthrate falls, your new taxpayers are underrepresented - since your older citizens are retiring and dying.

So - every generation that has significantly less people in it, than it's predecessors, is going to have to make proportionally MUCH larger contributions.

Example - if you population drops by only 25% in the NEW generation, they are going to have to pay something like 25% MORE taxes, etc.

And - how does one "ride out the low birthrates"? If you have less children, there will be less parents in the next generation, and so forth.

I'm interested in knowing whether it was your Grandparents that moved to Australia or your parents, or was it an even earlier generation?

My parents. My dad came when he was 3. My mum came when she was adult. It's bullshit when people say that first generation immigrants can't intergrate fully; you'd never know that we were ethnic if we didn't tell you. The point is, we weren't random people; we're from Europe, which made it likely that we'd intergrate well and accept Australian ideals.

I'm interested in knowing whether it was your Grandparents that moved to Australia or your parents, or was it an even earlier generation?

Damn immergunts...

And - how does one "ride out the low birthrates"? If you have less children, there will be less parents in the next generation, and so forth.

Someone's bound to have sex. We need another baby boomer generation.

My parents. My dad came when he was 3. My mum came when she was adult. It's bullshit when people say that first generation immigrants can't intergrate fully; you'd never know that we were ethnic if we didn't tell you. The point is, we weren't random people; we're from Europe, which made it likely that we'd intergrate well and accept Australian ideals.

Don't you even eat German foods?

My parents. My dad came when he was 3. My mum came when she was adult. It's bullshit when people say that first generation immigrants can't intergrate fully; you'd never know that we were ethnic if we didn't tell you. The point is, we weren't random people; we're from Europe, which made it likely that we'd intergrate well and accept Australian ideals.You're a second generation immigrant, then. And you don't like immigration? Double standard. And that deserves to be repeated.

Someone's bound to have sex. We need another baby boomer generation.

The simple fact that birthrates ARE declining, means that people are not doing as you propose.

Maybe people are not 'bound to have sex' after all?

Maybe, it is now too expensive, in most countries, to have a sunsitence-sized family?

Maybe, all the shit the mass-producers put into our foods have effectively sterilised us? You know that Chlorine, for example, is involved in making modern bread-products, at something like SEVEN different points, yes?

Someone's bound to have sex.

I'm guessing it won't be you.


[/David Spade]

You're a second generation immigrant, then. And you don't like immigration? Double standard. And that deserves to be repeated.

I just don't like immigration from incompatible and conflicting cultures.

Don't you even eat German foods?

Not really. The occasional schnitzel when my mom has time to make it. Sometimes eat Ukrainian food at family gatherings. Apart from that... intergrated.

I just don't like immigration from incompatible and conflicting cultures.

So - the problem, then... is that YOUR culture is incompatible.

Look at the UK... look at a city like Leicester, where I lived for a decade.

The population of Leicester is less than 50% 'white'. It is cosmopolitan, and remarkably peaceful. The 'purity' you speak of, is the PROBLEM... not the immigrants.

Plus - aren't 'western' immigrants incompatible with the ACTUAL 'Native' people of Australia?

Not really. The occasional schnitzel when my mom has time to make it. Sometimes eat Ukrainian food at family gatherings. Apart from that... intergrated.

So - you aren't FULLY integrated... you are just 'acceptably' integrated?

Plus - aren't 'western' immigrants incompatible with the ACTUAL 'Native' people of Australia?

Who are a minority. Not my fault if some British wanted to set up shop here.

So - you aren't FULLY integrated... you are just 'acceptably' integrated?

Eating ethnic food has nothing to do with intergration. Intergration has more to do with social interaction and such. In which case, we're perfectly intergrated. Even today, when I'm talking to kids I've known since primary school, if I mention that I'm German/Ukrainian, they'll say "Really? Shit mate, I thought you were Aussie."

Eating ethnic food has nothing to do with intergration. Intergration has more to do with social interaction and such. In which case, we're perfectly intergrated. Even today, when I'm talking to kids I've known since primary school, if I mention that I'm German/Ukrainian, they'll say "Really? Shit mate, I thought you were Aussie."

... and the majority of Muslims in Europe manage to do that acceptably. Or is it because they can't be mistaken for the ethnic group of the country they migrate to? Oh noez, they look different!

Who are a minority. Not my fault if some British wanted to set up shop here.

They are a minority NOW, but they weren't originally, yes?

You are - effectively arguing a double-standard... unless you honestly believe that this whole 'problem' goes away, once the 'new' immigrants outnumber your 'immigrants'?

Eating ethnic food has nothing to do with intergration. Intergration has more to do with social interaction and such. In which case, we're perfectly intergrated. Even today, when I'm talking to kids I've known since primary school, if I mention that I'm German/Ukrainian, they'll say "Really? Shit mate, I thought you were Aussie."

You were born in Australia, weren't you?

That is why they thought you were an 'Aussie'... because you are.

I just don't like immigration from incompatible and conflicting cultures.You know, over here the Ukraine is actually considered one of those by the anti-immigrant crowd.

... and the majority of Muslims in Europe manage to do that acceptably. Or is it because they can't be mistaken for the ethnic group of the country they migrate to? Oh noez, they look different!

Not from what I've heard. Even a small increase in crime from immigrants is unacceptable. Not to mention ethnic enclaves. And what about the muslim school riot in Berlin? They didn't have that problem with the Italians.

You know, over here the Ukraine is actually considered one of those by the anti-immigrant crowd.

Ehh. People have opinions. The ex-Soviet thing probably gives us a bad image. It's mostly the east that still clings to it's communist past.

Not from what I've heard. Even a small increase in crime from immigrants is unacceptable.

And because a small amount of immigrants increase the crime rate, you will deny the honest majority entrance into your country? The same argument could be applied to killing all Muslims because some Muslims are terrorists, which is unacceptable.

They are a minority NOW, but they weren't originally, yes?

You are - effectively arguing a double-standard... unless you honestly believe that this whole 'problem' goes away, once the 'new' immigrants outnumber your 'immigrants'?

What double standard? The British settlement on Australia was more or less an invasion. The past is past, move on, whatever.

Not from what I've heard. Even a small increase in crime from immigrants is unacceptable. Not to mention ethnic enclaves. And what about the muslim school riot in Berlin? They didn't have that problem with the Italians.

It's only a decade or so since German citizens were in trouble for assaulting and terrorising Turkish refugees, though...

There are trouble elements in every group... colour, creed and nation of origin are not the problem.

Ehh. People have opinions. The ex-Soviet thing probably gives us a bad image. It's mostly the east that still clings to it's communist past.Whoah. Did you miss the whole visa scandal with all the illegal Ukranian immigrants and the criminals starting to emigrate en masse to Germany?

At least that's how it got viewed by people of your persuasion over here. But perhaps things aren't so clear when your own ethnicity is involved, eh? Stop flaunting your double standard. If it weren't for immigration, your parents would never have met.

Unless your nation has a selective breeding program, even native births are "random people from god knows where"...

If your birthrate falls, your new taxpayers are underrepresented - since your older citizens are retiring and dying.

So - every generation that has significantly less people in it, than it's predecessors, is going to have to make proportionally MUCH larger contributions.

Example - if you population drops by only 25% in the NEW generation, they are going to have to pay something like 25% MORE taxes, etc.

And - how does one "ride out the low birthrates"? If you have less children, there will be less parents in the next generation, and so forth.

A 25% lower population of taxpayers means 33% more taxes. (33% of 75% is the remaining 25% to get back up to 100%).

You were born in Australia, weren't you?

That is why they thought you were an 'Aussie'... because you are.

You'd have to live here to understand. We all have Australia nationality, but I wouldn't be considered "Aussie." Neither would my friends Josip or Hoang. My friend Caitlyn would be, though >_>

My parents. My dad came when he was 3. My mum came when she was adult. It's bullshit when people say that first generation immigrants can't intergrate fully; you'd never know that we were ethnic if we didn't tell you. The point is, we weren't random people; we're from Europe, which made it likely that we'd intergrate well and accept Australian ideals.

You were white. Aryan-goggles in full effect.

Not from what I've heard. Even a small increase in crime from immigrants is unacceptable. Exactly the same arguments used to kick out the Ukranians.
Not to mention ethnic enclaves. And what about the muslim school riot in Berlin? They didn't have that problem with the Italians.There hasn't been a muslim school riot in Berlin. I think I know what you're talking about enough to say that you don't.

Whoah. Did you miss the whole visa scandal with all the illegal Ukranian immigrants and the criminals starting to emigrate en masse to Germany?

At least that's how it got viewed by people of your persuasion over here. But perhaps things aren't so clear when your own ethnicity is involved, eh? Stop flaunting your double standard. If it weren't for immigration, your parents would never have met.

Criminals will be criminals. Arrest them, then. Don't whinge to me.

And fuck immigration. I'd have been happier in Europe.

Not really. The occasional schnitzel when my mom has time to make it. Sometimes eat Ukrainian food at family gatherings. Apart from that... intergrated.

Anyone else notice that all the anti-immigrant people have to set up lots of exceptions or else there point doesn't make any sense.

"We're integrated fully... well, except where we aren't."

"Immigrants are bad... well, except immigrants who are white."

"I accept facts... well, unless they destroy my point."

Californian Anti-Immigrant and proud of it.
We need better border control. Or, snipers with full allowance to use force.:sniper:

Exactly the same arguments used to kick out the Ukranians.

Good. Germany should be allowed to kick out whoever they want.

There hasn't been a muslim school riot in Berlin. I think I know what you're talking about enough to say that you don't.

Riots was a strong word. But definitely trouble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4865288.stm

Californian Anti-Immigrant and proud of it.
We need better border control. Or, snipers with full allowance to use force.:sniper:

:headbang: Oh look, another person who thinks that crossing over a border without going through the proper paperwork is equivalent to crimes against humanity.

Anyone else notice that all the anti-immigrant people have to set up lots of exceptions or else there point doesn't make any sense.

"We're integrated fully... well, except where we aren't."

"Immigrants are bad... well, except immigrants who are white."

"I accept facts... well, unless they destroy my point."

Ever had a kebab? Well run for the hills, Joc, you're not intergrated!

It's food for Christ's sake.

Criminals will be criminals. Arrest them, then. Don't whinge to me.Weren't you arguing not to let people from other countries in because they might be criminals?

And fuck immigration. I'd have been happier in Europe.Then emigrate to Europe.

What double standard? The British settlement on Australia was more or less an invasion. The past is past, move on, whatever.

You just argued that your own presence, and the presence of your parents, is 'justified' by the fact that 'whites' now outnumber the natives.

You do not think it would be okay for your own nation to be majority 'muslim', despite the fact that LOGICALLY, the same justification can be used.

Thus - double standard.

You are right, though. The Past IS past. Now, it is time to look to the future - and the future is one world. Because, if we don't become one people, we will destroy ourselves. Move on.

You'd have to live here to understand. We all have Australia nationality, but I wouldn't be considered "Aussie." Neither would my friends Josip or Hoang. My friend Caitlyn would be, though >_>

You mean the friends that aren't white? Shocker.

You just argued that your own presence, and the presence of your parents, is 'justified' by the fact that 'whites' now outnumber the natives.

You do not think it would be okay for your own nation to be majority 'muslim', despite the fact that LOGICALLY, the same justification can be used.

Like, I said, not immigration, invasion. Unless the muslims are going to declare war on us, we can be as anti-immigration as we want.