NationStates Jolt Archive

Weren't you arguing not to let people from other countries in because they might be criminals?

YES! That's what I'm still arguing. Go nuts, Germany. Kick out all those Ukrainians.

Then emigrate to Europe.

It's fucked now. I'm gonna move to the US.

Ever had a kebab? Well run for the hills, Joc, you're not intergrated!

It's food for Christ's sake.

The Muslims eat Arab food and wear Islamic clothes? Run for the hills, they're not integrated! How DARE they practise their own culture!

Good. Germany should be allowed to kick out whoever they want.Now of course, if the same went for Australia, you wouldn't exist.
Riots was a strong word. But definitely trouble.No, riots was the wrong word, not a strong word. I know exactly what you were talking about, but it wasn't a riot. The biggest reason for the damn trouble was the idea that people will integrate themselves on their own.

Ever had a kebab? Well run for the hills, Joc, you're not intergrated!

It's food for Christ's sake.

I'm not arguing that people have to be integrated. I eat food from 'other countries' as often as I can get my hands on it. I think it's the best part of a multicultural society. It's not an exception to my point. It's an exception to yours.

Heck, I even like English food and even GnI won't eat that stuff. ;)

You mean the friends that aren't white? Shocker.

Uhh, I mentioned one Asian. And Asians are awesome, they never conflicted with us.

It's fucked now. I'm gonna emigrate to the US.I switched one word. See how much more interesting this thing is when you use the right vocabulary?

I'm not arguing that people have to be integrated. I eat food from 'other countries' as often as I can get my hands on it. I think it's the best part of a multicultural society. It's not an exception to my point. It's an exception to yours.

Heck, I even like English food and even GnI won't eat that stuff. ;)

My point is for social intergration. Drop that enclave shit and join mainstream society.

A 25% lower population of taxpayers means 33% more taxes. (33% of 75% is the remaining 25% to get back up to 100%).

Erm... yeah. My point was better than my math. :D

YES! That's what I'm still arguing. Go nuts, Germany. Kick out all those Ukrainians.



It's fucked now. I'm gonna move to the US.

Where you'll be bitching that the beaners are taking all our jobs. It's the same problem everywhere. And by that I mean xenophobes not immigrants.

Uhh, I mentioned one Asian. And Asians are awesome, they never conflicted with us.

Uh... World War 2? Korea? Vietnam? We in Australia have been in a lot more conflict with Asians than Muslims. I'm Chinese, by the way.

The Muslims eat Arab food and wear Islamic clothes? Run for the hills, they're not integrated! How DARE they practise their own culture!

And build enclaves. And reject Australia, pledging allegiance to allah only. Remember when Costello called for muslims to swear allegiance and become intergrated? Massive PC outcry.

I switched one word. See how much more interesting this thing is when you use the right vocabulary?

So? The US is an immigrant country.

My point is for social intergration. Drop that enclave shit and join mainstream society.

You mean like in Chicago? New York? London? And everywhere else that first generation immigrants have formed enclaves? They've existed in the US for centuries without incident (well, almost without incident). The problem isn't when people form enclaves because their children and their children's children tend to leave those enclaves. It's that racists and xenophobes treat them so badly that eventually they defend themselves, like in France.

Uh... World War 2? Korea? Vietnam? We in Australia have been in a lot more conflict with Asians than Muslims. I'm Chinese, by the way.

I mean Asians who moved here. Didn't see any race riots.

And build enclaves. And reject Australia, pledging allegiance to allah only. Remember when Costello called for muslims to swear allegiance and become intergrated? Massive PC outcry.
Integrated. That's starting to bug me. For someone who spends so much time talking about the evil immigrants that seems like a word you should learn.

Where you'll be bitching that the beaners are taking all our jobs. It's the same problem everywhere. And by that I mean xenophobes not immigrants.

They won't be able to take my job, it's a high education job. I won't be assembling board games.

You mean like in Chicago? New York? London? And everywhere else that first generation immigrants have formed enclaves? They've existed in the US for centuries without incident (well, almost without incident). The problem isn't when people form enclaves because their children and their children's children tend to leave those enclaves. It's that racists and xenophobes treat them so badly that eventually they defend themselves, like in France.

Haha, haha, defend, you're a riot. Bullshit. Two kids ran away from police and got themselves killed. Then immigrants blamed the French and rioted. Defend my ass.

And there's a difference between an enclave and a "Little [insert country here]".

Uhh, I mentioned one Asian. And Asians are awesome, they never conflicted with us.

With us, the mighty Aryans. Yes, they did. A lot. There were tons of problems with Asian enclaves 50 years ago. Aryan goggles. Just keep ignoring anything that doesn't support your point, calling it an exception.

So? The US is an immigrant country.Not if the anti-immigrant types there have their say.

Australia is an immigrant country too...

Haha, haha, defend, you're a riot. Bullshit. Two kids ran away from police and got themselves killed. Then immigrants blamed the French and rioted. Defend my ass.

It was a reaction to oppression and being treated like second-class citizens by people like you.

Integrated. That's starting to bug me. For someone who spends so much time talking about the evil immigrants that seems like a word you should learn.

Maybe you should explain it to me.

With us, the mighty Aryans. Yes, they did. A lot. There were tons of problems with Asian enclaves 50 years ago. Aryan goggles. Just keep ignoring anything that doesn't support your point, calling it an exception.

Sucks to be American then. We had a great time. They gave us Chinese food and funny Asian brands.

They won't be able to take my job, it's a high education job. I won't be assembling board games.

I can tell. Did that higher education teach how to spell int-er -grayish - shun and what the word riot means?

It was a reaction to oppression and being treated like second-class citizens by people like you.

Maybe they should try to be FRENCH then. Don't expect to be treated like a French citizen if you don't act like one.

Sucks to be American then. We had a great time. They gave us Chinese food and funny Asian brands.

But they can't give you Chinese food and Asian brands. That would mean they kept some parts of their culture. They have to 'intergrate' now.

They won't be able to take my job, it's a high education job. I won't be assembling board games.

So immigrants are unable to take high education jobs because they are uneducated? :headbang: Oh dear. I see smoke on the horizon.

But they can't give you Chinese food and Asian brands. That would mean they kept some parts of their culture. They have to 'intergrate' now.

Like I said, I don't care too much about non-conflicting cultures. Just conflicting cultures, and social interaction.

So immigrants are unable to take high education jobs because they are uneducated? :headbang: Oh dear. I see smoke on the horizon.

Generally. That statement was about the US, so I assumed illegal immigrants. Not many of those went to RMIT.

Haha, haha, defend, you're a riot. Bullshit. Two kids ran away from police and got themselves killed. Then immigrants blamed the French and rioted. Defend my ass.

And there's a difference between an enclave and a "Little [insert country here]".

Hey, look, more exceptions. It's so cute how everything that tears your point to shreds is an exception. What's the difference between an enclave and a 'little [insert country here]?

Hey, look, more exceptions. It's so cute how everything that tears your point to shreds is an exception. What's the difference between an enclave and a 'little [insert country here]?

Well, a Little Chinatown is just a section of a city with Chinese restaurants. An enclave, like the ones I've heard of in France, are residential, don't answer to the government, police, etc.

I find it hard to be againt immigration of any type when i live in a country founded by immigrants. Immigrants who raped, murdered and basically commited genocide to get the country they are in now just to establish a government and thensuddenly say no one else can come in. The only people who are against immigrants are the ignorant, the racist, and the terminally stupid (which if you're racist you just happen to cover all three categories).

It's amazing to me how many people rage against immigrants in this country, espcially certain irish talk show hosts. My familiy are irish immigrants (true they worked through the system to become legal) and my great grandma had all sorts or stories about people protesting and beating up Irish immigrants at the NY docks and certain talkchristian talk show hosts rail against people trying to do the same thing.

And if you dare say that mexican immigrants are a drain on our society then you better look in the mirror and start with looking at all the welfare sucking white trash trailor parks that cover the out skirts of cities and populate the south and wyoming like no other.

The whole immigration thing is bullshit, they are not killing off "our people" or our way of life they are taking the jobs that lazy white trash won't do. If our own citizens would get off of their bloated pastey asses and get a job instead of being a drain on their own society then there wouldn't be any jobs to attract immigrants, and if the government would make it a federal crime with high fines and jail time as well as seizure of the business and enforce it then people would be less likely to hire illegal immigrants. So before you blame the people who are just looking for a job so they can survive, start gettnig pissed off at your own fat, ignorant, lazy, leaching people, and our own ineffective governmnet who, (much like it's ignorant supporters) can only blame everyone and everything else and not look at it's own inability to even function properly for simple everyday tasks.


I love what my country has and could once again stand for, but not what it has become.

Californian Anti-Immigrant and proud of it.
We need better border control. Or, snipers with full allowance to use force.:sniper:

Personally, I believe we should deport people who are anti-immigrant...

People who are against immigration are racists, like the BNP, National Front etc etc

Like, I said, not immigration, invasion. Unless the muslims are going to declare war on us, we can be as anti-immigration as we want.

So - you would RATHER have a war, than some dark skins in your nation?

I'm not arguing that people have to be integrated. I eat food from 'other countries' as often as I can get my hands on it. I think it's the best part of a multicultural society. It's not an exception to my point. It's an exception to yours.

Heck, I even like English food and even GnI won't eat that stuff. ;)

Food is one of the two best parts, I think... ;)

Like I said, I don't care too much about non-conflicting cultures. Just conflicting cultures, and social interaction.

Asians kept their food for a couple generations, their language for a couple generations, their clothing for a couple generations, their customs for a couple generations. To you, not conflicting. (To the people fifty years ago they were saying the same thing as you, but let's ignore that little 'exception') Meanwhile, Muslims do the same thing. To you, conflicting. Methinks there is more to this than you claim. Aryan-goggles explain the problem nicely.

My point is for social intergration. Drop that enclave shit and join mainstream society.

Isn't that actually the very opposite of what you preach?

You seem to be saying Aussie culture is 'better' as an enclave, and out of the 'mainstream'?

Personally, I believe we should deport people who are anti-immigrant...

Perhaps he doesn't realize that California was founded by Mexicans, the original constitution was in Spanish, the immigrants there are the English-speakers.

So? The US is an immigrant country.

So is Australia...

Well, a Little Chinatown is just a section of a city with Chinese restaurants. An enclave, like the ones I've heard of in France, are residential, don't answer to the government, police, etc.

Like Chinatown. They are exactly the same.

Perhaps he doesn't realize that California was founded by Mexicans, the original constitution was in Spanish, the immigrants there are the English-speakers.What about the immigrants to Mexico that declared their area independent when the Mexican government decided they had to obey the anti-slavery laws?

Like I said, I don't care too much about non-conflicting cultures. Just conflicting cultures, and social interaction.

For someone who has spawned whole forum threads about how much they hate themselves, and a number of borderline Nazi topics, I really don't see how you can claim 'social interaction' is high on your priorities.

Effectively most countries are immigrant countries, as Europe invaded most of the world during the Empire building phase, and they were mostly invaded by Romans, Vikings, Normans and Saxons

I couldn't be arsed to trawl through all of the posts but some of you are getting waaaaaaay too upset and taking things personally when it really doesn't matter, this is just the internet and most of us have never even met each other and never will. So basically you're getting upset for absolutely no reason.......some people are idiots and good luck to them I say.
BTW I'm not anti-immigrant just thought I'd put that out there. Always good to refer to the actual subject.......... :D

besides me...just curious


As an Americian, I am pro-Imigration, otherwise people like me(Heinz 57s) would not exisit and we would not have this discussion.

Now am I in favor of "Illegeal Imigration"? well yes and no....

Yes as in the original imigrants to this country had support of the coutries they left to leave(for religious or political views) and not from the country they were coming to(No one asked the Native Americans if they could bring all those people over)..
but No I do not think an imigrant can just come over to a country(USA or TwistTim) Without being willing to learn the offical language, paying Levies and Taxes to the government, and learning enough about his/her new home land to pass a basic test, in fact I think Citizines of the same country could stand to be given that test and see how many dserve to be here.

As an Americian, I am pro-Imigration, otherwise people like me(Heinz 57s) would not exisit and we would not have this discussion.

Now am I in favor of "Illegeal Imigration"? well yes and no....

Yes as in the original imigrants to this country had support of the coutries they left to leave(for religious or political views) and not from the country they were coming to(No one asked the Native Americans if they could bring all those people over)..
but No I do not think an imigrant can just come over to a country(USA or TwistTim) Without being willing to learn the offical language, paying Levies and Taxes to the government, and learning enough about his/her new home land to pass a basic test, in fact I think Citizines of the same country could stand to be given that test and see how many dserve to be here.

Fine - but the US doesn't HAVE an official language, and illegal immigrants aren't ABLE to pay taxes, etc... because they'd get deported if they registered..

Fine - but the US doesn't HAVE an official language

Uh.... Yes we do.
Its English.
It was English until those who were too lazy to learn the damn language opened their mouths and had it changed to suit their needs. If you move to any other country in this world, and want to live there without any problems, you'd better learn the national language.

Uh.... Yes we do.
Its English.
It was English until those who were too lazy to learn the damn language opened their mouths and had it changed to suit their needs. If you move to any other country in this world, and want to live there without any problems, you'd better learn the national language.Oh, English may be the national language, but there's no legal document making it the official language of the US.

Uh.... Yes we do.
Its English.
It was English until those who were too lazy to learn the damn language opened their mouths and had it changed to suit their needs. If you move to any other country in this world, and want to live there without any problems, you'd better learn the national language.

Seriously, friend... the US has no 'official' language. It's already been covered, in this very thread.

Google it, you don't believe me.

example:

"Many people are surprised to learn that the United States has no official language. As one of the major centers of commerce and trade, and a major English-speaking country, many assume that English is the country's official language. But despite efforts over the years, the United States has no official language".

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html

I just wonder how someone who is the product of two different cultures meeting and mating in a third country can be so stubborn about immigration. Lemme guess, you are a whitey in a white country, thus you are integrated, right?
Well, here in Cologne we have an overproportionate number of muslims compared to the german average. And yes, this brings conflict in some low-income enclaves. But the same problem occurs when concentrating all our white trash in a social ghetto. Overall the muslims contribute more per capita to our gross local product then the natice populace. What do i care if they want to have their own places of worship and gathering? If they are extremists and come under suspicion of supporting terrorism they are investigated and tried on that, and not for belonging to a certain culture or fitting a racial profile.

Oh, English may be the national language, but there's no legal document making it the official language of the US.

Didn't the Spaniards get here first, anyway?

Uh.... Yes we do.
Its English.
It was English until those who were too lazy to learn the damn language opened their mouths and had it changed to suit their needs. If you move to any other country in this world, and want to live there without any problems, you'd better learn the national language.

There is no official language. The only people opening their mouths and trying to change anything are the people who don't realize there is and never has been an official language. Many of the states in the US were not majoritively English speakers when they first became a part of the United States. English may be the most used language in the US but it is NOT the official language.

But feel free to prove me wrong. Find a legal document from the federal government declaring it the official language. I'll wait.

Didn't the Spaniards get here first, anyway?I can think of a lot of groups that were there before the Spandiards, actually...

I can think of a lot of groups that were there before the Spandiards, actually...

Oh indeed. I mean as part if THIS 'colonisation', though.

I can think of a lot of groups that were there before the Spandiards, actually...
VIKINGS, baby!

VIKINGS, baby!I was going to mention some earlier groups of immigrants, not the illegal ones that were eventually expelled :p

I was going to mention some earlier groups of immigrants, not the illegal ones that were eventually expelled :p

That's on-topic. Let's talk about the illegal Viking immigrants. My ancestors were bastards. Studly, massive, magnificent bastards.

Didn't the Spaniards get here first, anyway?

Not in my part of the country. And if you want to use the "who was here first" argument, the Hispanics have no better claim than we do.

There is no official language. The only people opening their mouths and trying to change anything are the people who don't realize there is and never has been an official language. Many of the states in the US were not majoritively English speakers when they first became a part of the United States. English may be the most used language in the US but it is NOT the official language.

But feel free to prove me wrong. Find a legal document from the federal government declaring it the official language. I'll wait.

English is the de-facto language. There is no legal document, but it's always been common knowledge that you were expected to know English to become an American citizen.

...it's always been common knowledge that you were expected to know English to become an American citizen.
That disqualifies most Americans from citizenship then. :p

English is the de-facto language. There is no legal document, but it's always been common knowledge that you were expected to know English to become an American citizen.

It has always been common knowledge? You sure about that? The common knowledge argument is always the last bastion of those with no evidence. There is not official language. It ends there.

And I guess my great-grandparenst were never citizens because they didn't speak a lick of English. Except they were, so your amazing powerful 'common knoweldge' argument has holes the size of Delta Burke.

Oddly, Japan seems to like immigration. They know that they're slowly dying off, like Europe, but they seem to have embraced immigrants (particularly Westerners).

Which Japan is that? Japan in real life or japan in your fantasy land? Have u forgotten to take your medication again?


Japan is 99% Japaneese and their immigration rate is 0(zero, to make it clear so u can understand) per 1000 population.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Hey, I called it right - early this morning, on the deleted "Prussian Blue" thread.

You ARE a Nazi symp, after all. What an underwhelming non-surprise.

Funny. This coming from a pedophile rapist who thinks under age white girls should be 'sorted out' by being raped by non whites...

Funny. This coming from a pedophile rapist who thinks under age white girls should be 'sorted out' by being raped by non whites...

I see you're still being "civilized" and not "lowering yourself" to "name calling."

Not in my part of the country. And if you want to use the "who was here first" argument, the Hispanics have no better claim than we do.

Sure they do. They 'found' the nation. Thus, they were 'here' before the English. Thus - of thw TWO, the Spanish claim is historically stronger.

Of course, by the time EITHER side of THAT argument got here, there had been 1500 years of 'unofficial' travel to the country to take into account, and something more than 9000 years of 'native' habitation to think about...

English is the de-facto language. There is no legal document, but it's always been common knowledge that you were expected to know English to become an American citizen.

Prove it.

Back to the topic....

Immigration is lame. I'm not giving any justification.

Besides... why moan about immigration? all the best countries should ban emmigration. then you'll never escape! muhahahaha!

Prove it.

Ask any English-speaking American. :)

I am all for it, europe needs fresh blood..but please no more Muslims

Ask any English-speaking American. :)Eh? I wouldn't know if it was. You're proven wrong.

Ask any English-speaking American. :)

I asked my wife.

She says you are wrong.

Ask any English-speaking American. :)

Okay. I just asked my coworker,

"Hey, is your being a US citizen contingent on your ability to speak English?"

He was all, "No, I was just born here. But I do speak English good."

Hahahaha!

All of this is moot anyway... an expanding population versus a declining population will always win out, the population in decline will eventually unbreed itself out.

As the population declines the gene pool reduces. This eventually results in birth abnormalities, sterility and a genetic dead end.

The only hope of a dying 'race' is to breed with new genetic material... so the preservation of Norwegian culture may eventually depend on there being a lot of blue-eyed and coffee-coloured people wandering around.

I should embrace an influx of immigrants before pure born Norwegians are only distinguishable by their drooling imbecilic features.

LOL. Dont emberass yourself with such brainless crap.

1) Norway's population isnt declining.
Birth rate:
11.46 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Death rate:
9.4 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Net migration rate:
1.73 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/no.html

2) Even it were declining, it wouldnt be 10,000 in a week. Breeding inside a almost 5 million population isnt counted as inbreeding. This comment "I should embrace an influx of immigrants before pure born Norwegians are only distinguishable by their drooling imbecilic features." is very moronic. Only people who'd agree with this is pro-immigrant sheep who doesnt think but just nod to and agree with anyone who says something to do with pro-immigration...

3)We are breeding within our country/scandinavia for centuries, yet we are the number one country in UN development index...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

4) I'm guessing you arent european. You want foreign genes in you. I dont. This tells something about which one of us is happy with himself/herself.

Too late...:p

/begin sarcasm A very intelligent joke, very subtle and revelant /end sarcasm.
Or was the joke about the level of your intelligence? Then I shouldnt laugh but just feel sorry for you....

4) I'm guessing you arent european. You want foreign genes in you. I dont. This tells something about which one of us is happy with himself/herself.Rest assured, immigration will have no effect on your genes.

Why? 'Cause you don't like yellow skinned people like me?

Not about like or dislike or skin colour, please read previous posts (I know it's too long but I answered likes of this several times)

The non-muslim world is hardly devoid of crime and terror, and the muslim world is not entirely filled with crime and terror.

So - overall, we'd have status quo, with more dark coloured skins, yes?

If you want to be a racist, at least be brave enough to admit it.

If you want to argue, be brave enough to sustain it without labelling...

Which Japan is that? Japan in real life or japan in your fantasy land? Have u forgotten to take your medication again?


Japan is 99% Japaneese and their immigration rate is 0(zero, to make it clear so u can understand) per 1000 population.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Harhar.

Why don't you hurry up, grow a pair, and commit suicide, already? The world is changing too fast for you.

Japan has significant immigrant populations from Korea and China (mostly pre-WWII, though). They also have significant immigration from Australia, the US, New Zealand, &c. The simple fact is, though, that this isn't being done in great numbers. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Of course, I'm not surprised that you're as blind as a retarded flying mouse.

If you want to argue, be brave enough to sustain it without labelling...

Kettle, pot. Pot, kettle.

Unless your nation has a selective breeding program, even native births are "random people from god knows where"...

If your birthrate falls, your new taxpayers are underrepresented - since your older citizens are retiring and dying.

So - every generation that has significantly less people in it, than it's predecessors, is going to have to make proportionally MUCH larger contributions.

Example - if you population drops by only 25% in the NEW generation, they are going to have to pay something like 25% MORE taxes, etc.

And - how does one "ride out the low birthrates"? If you have less children, there will be less parents in the next generation, and so forth.

Have you ever heard of reforming pensions? Trying to raise birthrates? Or are you too sheep to think just a mm outside of box?

Not about like or dislike or skin colour, please read previous posts (I know it's too long but I answered likes of this several times)

You don't mind it when they live in Africa. It becomes a problem for you when they want to live next door.

Rest assured, immigration will have no effect on your genes.

Looks like our resident ubermensch doesn't quite comprehend reality, eh?

So - the problem, then... is that YOUR culture is incompatible.

Look at the UK... look at a city like Leicester, where I lived for a decade.

The population of Leicester is less than 50% 'white'. It is cosmopolitan, and remarkably peaceful. The 'purity' you speak of, is the PROBLEM... not the immigrants.

Plus - aren't 'western' immigrants incompatible with the ACTUAL 'Native' people of Australia?

I respect if you want to live in a cosmopolitan place. I dont label you just because you think different than me. This makes me more open minded I guess. Ironic...

/begin sarcasm A very intelligent joke, very subtle and revelant /end sarcasm.
Or was the joke about the level of your intelligence? Then I shouldnt laugh but just feel sorry for you....

Ouch. I'm sure he felt that all the way in.... Oh, wait. You're talking? I'm sure he didn't feel a damned thing.

If you want to argue, be brave enough to sustain it without labelling...

Curious - I thought I had been arguing against a wealth of 'labels'... like the idea the someone should be 'labelled' as a 'criminal' or 'terrorist' JUST because of their origins... which is what I was responding to.

Rest assured, immigration will have no effect on your genes.

WHAT!? You mean that immigrants aren't mutagens!?

:headbang: Oh look, another person who thinks that crossing over a border without going through the proper paperwork is equivalent to crimes against humanity.

Maybe someone should cross over to your home and kick u out of your room...

Have you ever heard of reforming pensions? Trying to raise birthrates? Or are you too sheep to think just a mm outside of box?

Reform pensions all you want. Indeed, if you got rid of ALL pensions, it still wouldn't be enough to offset that problem.

How are you suggesting we 'raise' birthrates? Pay people to screw?

And, what if it IS environmental? What if the additives we allow in food, in our water, in our atmosphere ARE 'sterilising' the richer nations?

Think outside the box.

Maybe someone should cross over to your home and kick u out of your room...

Maybe someone should violate your anus...

You just argued that your own presence, and the presence of your parents, is 'justified' by the fact that 'whites' now outnumber the natives.

You do not think it would be okay for your own nation to be majority 'muslim', despite the fact that LOGICALLY, the same justification can be used.

Thus - double standard.

You are right, though. The Past IS past. Now, it is time to look to the future - and the future is one world. Because, if we don't become one people, we will destroy ourselves. Move on.

"the future - and the future is one world." Why? Because you say so? Why are you trying to impose your understanding of future to everyone? Is that your future too? One kind of thinking. Being sheep...

I respect if you want to live in a cosmopolitan place. I dont label you just because you think different than me. This makes me more open minded I guess. Ironic...

So - I am willing to live alongside other cultures... HAPPY even. You, on the other hand, don't want other cultures in your society.

And YOU are the openminded one?

Uh... World War 2? Korea? Vietnam? We in Australia have been in a lot more conflict with Asians than Muslims. I'm Chinese, by the way.

I like chineese culture. From architecture, to food, from script to philosophy. If it were a 450 million country with constant immigration threatening to destroy the local culture and local ethnicity(ies), I'd be sad and worried...

"the future - and the future is one world." Why? Because you say so? Why are you trying to impose your understanding of future to everyone? Is that your future too? One kind of thinking. Being sheep...

You already are sheep. Why pretend to be anything but? To say that you are anything but sheep is the same as a lie.

But, then, as you have amply proven, you are utterly incapable of speaking the truth. On anything.

"the future - and the future is one world." Why? Because you say so? Why are you trying to impose your understanding of future to everyone? Is that your future too? One kind of thinking. Being sheep...

Man, you are obsessed with sheep...

Back on topic - the future is one world, because we are becoming increasingly more 'global'. And, because borders have a habit of collapsing eventually. The internet could, even, be the biggest tool IN that globalisation - I know I have friends in dozens of different nations, now, that I might not have had without the internet.

The world IS becoming one. I look forward to it, although it might not happen in my lifetime.

But, I can see why someone like you would fear it.

People who are against immigration are racists, like the BNP, National Front etc etc

Labelling, generalisations. You are a sheep. Insulting anyone who thinks differently from you and your group (pro-immigrants).

Labelling, generalisations. You are a sheep. Insulting anyone who thinks differently from you and your group (pro-immigrants).

"Labelling"... followed, 5 words later, by a label.

Way to make a point...

Labelling, generalisations. You are a sheep. Insulting anyone who thinks differently from you and your group (pro-immigrants).Labelling someone as part of a group is ... labelling. Generalizing a group to be insulting is... generalizing.

I'll let that stand for itself.

"the future - and the future is one world." Why? Because you say so? Why are you trying to impose your understanding of future to everyone? Is that your future too? One kind of thinking. Being sheep...

I love this kind of twisted thinking. You're the one talking of assimilation and mono-culturality. We are talking about multi-cultural worlds. That means while everyone lives and works together we all retain aspects of seperate cultures. GnI and I live in the same country and share many similarities, but the differences between the two of us are blatantly apparent. He is an atheist. I'm a Christian. He has a British accent. I have what many would call a generic American accent. He looks different than I. His methodology is different than my own. His food preferences are different. His cultural experiences are different. His views on lots of things are different.

Your views on assimilation sound much more like a hive mind than anything we have claimed and you support our view when you point out that such a thing would be horrible.

Labelling, generalisations. You are a sheep. Insulting anyone who thinks differently from you and your group (pro-immigrants).

Hey, wake up call: For the past few hundreds of posts you've been labelling people as "sheep" if they disagree with you, and generalizing about teh evils of immigration.

STOP BEING A STUPID FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

Is anyone on this thread actually from Norway, is it just a bunch of Americans telling the world what they should do? "Accept immigration to your country!!! ACCEPT IT!!!!"

Labelling, generalisations. You are a sheep. Insulting anyone who thinks differently from you and your group (pro-immigrants).

I see your use of ad hominems hasn't been curbed. I give up. You've proven that being right is more important than learning anything. Anything that threatens to make your Aryan-goggles a little thinner and you resort to namecalling and ad hominems. If you can't find a way to discuss this with points instead of logical fallacies then I don't see the point of continuing.

I am all for it, europe needs fresh blood..but please no more Muslims

Are we vampires?

Is anyone on this thread actually from Norway, is it just a bunch of Americans telling the world what they should do? "Accept immigration to your country!!! ACCEPT IT!!!!"

He started a thread about immigration asking for opinions. We're giving them. Here's a tip - if you don't want to discuss an idea with an international group, don't go to an international forum and ask the opinions of the members.

If you want to argue, be brave enough to sustain it without labelling...

You mean without calling people "sheep" for example?

I love this kind of twisted thinking. You're the one talking of assimilation and mono-culturality. We are talking about multi-cultural worlds. That means while everyone lives and works together we all retain aspects of seperate cultures. GnI and I live in the same country and share many similarities, but the differences between the two of us are blatantly apparent. He is an atheist. I'm a Christian. He has a British accent. I have what many would call a generic American accent. He looks different than I. His methodology is different than my own. His food preferences are different. His cultural experiences are different. His views on lots of things are different.

Your views on assimilation sound much more like a hive mind than anything we have claimed and you support our view when you point out that such a thing would be horrible.

Indeed.

And - which kind of society... a multi-faceted one, or a monoculture... is MORE likely to open up 'different thinking'?

Are we vampires?

Yes, Vidkun, you are.

Harhar.

Why don't you hurry up, grow a pair, and commit suicide, already? The world is changing too fast for you.

Japan has significant immigrant populations from Korea and China (mostly pre-WWII, though). They also have significant immigration from Australia, the US, New Zealand, &c. The simple fact is, though, that this isn't being done in great numbers. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Of course, I'm not surprised that you're as blind as a retarded flying mouse.

I just give links and facts and you still argue? Are u mentally challanged?

Japan recieves 0 immigration per 1000 population...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Is anyone on this thread actually from Norway, is it just a bunch of Americans telling the world what they should do? "Accept immigration to your country!!! ACCEPT IT!!!!"That's nice. So he's allowed to decide for my country but when we criticise him for it, we're the boogeymen?

Looks like our resident ubermensch doesn't quite comprehend reality, eh?

Funny...You are the one talking about comprehending...:rolleyes:

I just give links and facts and you still argue? Are u mentally challanged?

Japan recieves 0 immigration per 1000 population...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

You're citing facts from the CIA?

Are you just plain stupid?

Maybe you just can't read what I wrote. Yeah, that's it.

Funny...You are the one talking about comprehending...:rolleyes:

Better than listening to you try to talk about comprehension.

Are we vampires?

No but we do have a low birth rate from Lisbon to Moscow, my point is this Europe is pretty mixed anyhow, the Hungarians did not look caucasian when they first arrived! and if we are discussing ethnicities the Basques are not even Indo European, emigration is not a bad thing for the future stabilty of the united europe but i do draw the line at any more Muslim emigration whom i feel will not fully integrate into european norms, one has just to see the mainly Muslim ghettoes of northern England or Berlin to see examples of this.

Curious - I thought I had been arguing against a wealth of 'labels'... like the idea the someone should be 'labelled' as a 'criminal' or 'terrorist' JUST because of their origins... which is what I was responding to.

Then, it is very ironic that you label too although you had been arguing against a wealth of 'labels'...

I just give links and facts and you still argue? Are u mentally challanged?

Japan recieves 0 immigration per 1000 population...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

Actually, that figure is the 'migration' figure... which suggests it is the immigration MINUS the emigration, perhaps?

Reform pensions all you want. Indeed, if you got rid of ALL pensions, it still wouldn't be enough to offset that problem.

How are you suggesting we 'raise' birthrates? Pay people to screw?

And, what if it IS environmental? What if the additives we allow in food, in our water, in our atmosphere ARE 'sterilising' the richer nations?

Think outside the box.

Are you an economist? or do u just like to talk empty. Prove this claim...

"Reform pensions all you want. Indeed, if you got rid of ALL pensions, it still wouldn't be enough to offset that problem."

Funny...You are the one talking about comprehending...:rolleyes:

Yes... yes I am.

You think that makes me a "sheep," and that eeeeveryone who disagrees with your paranoia and bigotry is just a "sheep." I comprehend what that means - you have this martyr complex whereby everybody is out to get you.

Shows up in your anti-immigration/foreigner stance as well.

Everyone here sees it, but again, they must all be "sheep" and not, ya know, maybe latching onto an obvious truth you are unwilling and therefore unable to see.

Not about like or dislike or skin colour, please read previous posts (I know it's too long but I answered likes of this several times)

No case? Why not? Is it so evil of me to hope that there'll be natural blonds 300 years later?

Yep, this has nothing to do with race. Nothing at all. /sarcasm

Incidentally, what is the only race with natural blonds?

Then, it is very ironic that you label too although you had been arguing against a wealth of 'labels'...

On the contrary - I believe, the only label I have used has been 'racist', which is a fair term for someone who discriminates based on race.

Maybe someone should violate your anus...

Open minded rapist pro immigrant...LOL
Yeah, no wornder the 'intelligent people' side with you :rolleyes: (sarcasm)

Then, it is very ironic that you label too although you had been arguing against a wealth of 'labels'...

He is not generalizing. He is not saying 'all of you are X because you believe Y'. He's saying 'you are X because you demonstrate the qualities of X."

Are you an economist? or do u just like to talk empty. Prove this claim...

"Reform pensions all you want. Indeed, if you got rid of ALL pensions, it still wouldn't be enough to offset that problem."

Basic math, my friend.

Do you think things like deficit spending just stop, and national debts just go away, because old people die?

Yes... yes I am.

You think that makes me a "sheep," and that eeeeveryone who disagrees with your paranoia and bigotry is just a "sheep." I comprehend what that means - you have this martyr complex whereby everybody is out to get you.

Shows up in your anti-immigration/foreigner stance as well.

Everyone here sees it, but again, they must all be "sheep" and not, ya know, maybe latching onto an obvious truth you are unwilling and therefore unable to see.

Of course. Vidkun is 100% correct. It's everyone else who's wrong. :rolleyes:

I just give links and facts and you still argue? Are u mentally challanged?

Japan recieves 0 immigration per 1000 population...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

I thought you said you were going to stop with the ad hominems. I've had enough. I have a meeting right now, but I plan to report this when I return.

Open minded rapist pro immigrant...LOL
Yeah, no wornder the 'intelligent people' side with you :rolleyes: (sarcasm)

It isn't rape if you're consenting.

He is not generalizing. He is not saying 'all of you are X because you believe Y'. He's saying 'you are X because you demonstrate the qualities of X."

Perhaps calling my car a "Dodge" is labelling, too?

So - I am willing to live alongside other cultures... HAPPY even. You, on the other hand, don't want other cultures in your society.

And YOU are the openminded one?

If you are happy to live alongside other cultures you can move to an immigrant society, like canada or usa.
What you dont tolerate is living alongside anti-immigrant countries.
And I'm more openminded than you because I'm not labelling you just because you think differently than me.

Open minded rapist pro immigrant...LOL
Yeah, no wornder the 'intelligent people' side with you :rolleyes: (sarcasm)

Rapist? WTF?

Okay, here's a challenge for you, Einstein. Prove how I'm a rapist. I'll wait. Go on. Prove it. Or is this just one of HUNDREDS of asshole statements you like to make with NOTHING to back it up other than your own blind belief that somehow you're right?

You already are sheep. Why pretend to be anything but? To say that you are anything but sheep is the same as a lie.

But, then, as you have amply proven, you are utterly incapable of speaking the truth. On anything.

You just call names. Call someone is this, someone is that. You dont make any argument or point. That's why you sound so dumb. And even dumber because you couldnt even find something original to brand me but you used what I called you. Pathetic :rolleyes:

If you are happy to live alongside other cultures you can move to an immigrant society, like canada or usa.
What you dont tolerate is living alongside anti-immigrant countries.
And I'm more openminded than you because I'm not labelling you just because you think differently than me.

Your culture is inferior.

It requires massive injections of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Catholics.

If you refuse, your culture will die the painful death that anti-semitism did in Germany.

You just call names. Call someone is this, someone is that. You dont make any argument or point. That's why you sound so dumb. And even dumber because you couldnt even find something original to brand me but you used what I called you. Pathetic :rolleyes:

Both of you stop flaming each other, please.

You just call names. Call someone is this, someone is that. You dont make any argument or point. That's why you sound so dumb. And even dumber because you couldnt even find something original to brand me but you used what I called you. Pathetic :rolleyes:

Pathetic, is it?

You run around labelling people and then you admit to labelling others and whine when it's turned against you?

And, for the record, I'm a sheepdog. But you're giving me a hankering for a nasty wolf streak....

Man, you are obsessed with sheep...

Back on topic - the future is one world, because we are becoming increasingly more 'global'. And, because borders have a habit of collapsing eventually. The internet could, even, be the biggest tool IN that globalisation - I know I have friends in dozens of different nations, now, that I might not have had without the internet.

The world IS becoming one. I look forward to it, although it might not happen in my lifetime.

But, I can see why someone like you would fear it.

Because there are so many sheeps here.
I dont agree with your comments. It's too subjective. You cant predict future...

Because there are so many sheeps here.
I dont agree with your comments. It's too subjective. You cant predict future...

The plural of 'sheep' is... 'sheep'.

"Look! There's a sheep on the side of the road!"

vs.

"Look! There are sheep on the side of the road!"

Consider yourself instructed.

"Labelling"... followed, 5 words later, by a label.

Way to make a point...

I said it because of his/her comments. I didnt assume he was automatically stupid.

That's nice. So he's allowed to decide for my country but when we criticise him for it, we're the boogeymen?

I just wanted to know- it seems like a lot of the people critizing him seem to be from the USA, which of course has a different history from Europe concerning immigration.

If the original poster can get enough of his fellow citizens to agree to restricting immigration and vote in a government that does so it's their right as a democractic society, I guess...it really doesn't bother me that much. Saying this is equal to freakin' NAZISM is ridiculous.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I'm a rapist, My Nordway.

Or were you just - you know - labelling and insulting people? *gasp* I mean, not that you ever do that.

Labelling someone as part of a group is ... labelling. Generalizing a group to be insulting is... generalizing.

I'll let that stand for itself.

example:

1) You debate and say someone sheep.

2) Because you are religious, you are stupid, because religious people are.

1) Answering comments...

2) Automatic assumption...

Now you comprehend the difference. Sometimes I feel like talking to 5 year olds...:rolleyes:

I just wanted to know- it seems like a lot of the people critizing him seem to be from the USA, which of course has a different history from Europe concerning immigration.

If the original poster can get enough of his fellow citizens to agree to restricting immigration and vote in a government that does so it's their right as a democractic society, I guess...it really doesn't bother me that much. Saying this is equal to freakin' NAZISM is ridiculous.

It would be, yes.

If it weren't true....

Now you comprehend the difference. Sometimes I feel like talking to 5 year olds...:rolleyes:

I feel like that whenever I write a messege intended for your eyes, too.

I love this kind of twisted thinking. You're the one talking of assimilation and mono-culturality. We are talking about multi-cultural worlds. That means while everyone lives and works together we all retain aspects of seperate cultures. GnI and I live in the same country and share many similarities, but the differences between the two of us are blatantly apparent. He is an atheist. I'm a Christian. He has a British accent. I have what many would call a generic American accent. He looks different than I. His methodology is different than my own. His food preferences are different. His cultural experiences are different. His views on lots of things are different.

Your views on assimilation sound much more like a hive mind than anything we have claimed and you support our view when you point out that such a thing would be horrible.

Isnt it more diverse when there are both anti-immigrant and immigration societies in the world?

Hey, wake up call: For the past few hundreds of posts you've been labelling people as "sheep" if they disagree with you, and generalizing about teh evils of immigration.

STOP BEING A STUPID FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

I gave its answer. Lets see if you are intelligent enough to spot it...

Is anyone on this thread actually from Norway, is it just a bunch of Americans telling the world what they should do? "Accept immigration to your country!!! ACCEPT IT!!!!"

Thank you. Maybe I should brand them "simplistic american imperialists." They basically want to turn world into USA...Now that would be very 'diverse'...

I gave its answer. Lets see if you are intelligent enough to spot it...

Hmm, nope, you haven't made the rape charge stick.

And yes, calling someone a rapist IS a charge. If it's untrue, it's legally libelous. Not just an insult, like me calling you a dumbass.

But hey, prove it. You said I'm a rapist, and since you don't just generalize or label people or insult, it must be true, right? Can't be too hard to prove if it's true, right? Right?

If you are happy to live alongside other cultures you can move to an immigrant society, like canada or usa.
What you dont tolerate is living alongside anti-immigrant countries.
And I'm more openminded than you because I'm not labelling you just because you think differently than me.

Actually - you said I was a 'sheep' for EXACTLY the reason that I think differently to you.

I have moved to an immigrant culture, from an immigrant culture.

I do tolerate 'living alongside anti-immigrant cultures'. I think they are missing out on a lot, and I think they are destined to 'die out' with increasing globalisation. And, I guess, I pity them.

But, I do tolerate them.

So - the person who wishes NOT to be exposed to different cultures, or the person who embraces different cultures... who is REALLY being more open-minded?

I see your use of ad hominems hasn't been curbed. I give up. You've proven that being right is more important than learning anything. Anything that threatens to make your Aryan-goggles a little thinner and you resort to namecalling and ad hominems. If you can't find a way to discuss this with points instead of logical fallacies then I don't see the point of continuing.

Sorry but there are too many ignorant idiots (on your side) here to sustain that level of debate. Please read the whole thread again. I was on the defensive. All I wanted to do was chat with european anti-immigrants.

Thank you. Maybe I should brand them "simplistic american imperialists." They basically want to turn world into USA...Now that would be very 'diverse'...

Ah, yes. I think that that label should be true. :D

We should liberate Norway from idiots such as yourself.

Oh, and which nation was it that posted troops along your Northern frontiers to protect your sovereignty from the Soviet Union, after your nation decided that it could no longer be neutral? Which nation was it that subsidized your military for half a century?

Yay for Imperial America! Ooo... I feel like I'm in an anime, now....

Sorry but there are too many ignorant idiots (on your side) here to sustain that level of debate. Please read the whole thread again. I was on the defensive. All I wanted to do was chat with european anti-immigrants.

Yes. You're highly defensive.

But if you want to speak with European anti-immigrants, you should talk to Mossad. I'm sure they can give you a few addresses in Argentina.

Because there are so many sheeps here.
I dont agree with your comments. It's too subjective. You cant predict future...

I don't need to predict the future. I just look at history, and pay attention to the way the world is going.

Even China - with thousands of years of Isolationist history, is now stepping onto the global stage, in halting steps.

It's coming, my friend.... not because I see what will be, but because I see what is.

He started a thread about immigration asking for opinions. We're giving them. Here's a tip - if you don't want to discuss an idea with an international group, don't go to an international forum and ask the opinions of the members.

I didnt ask for opinions, let alone for insults. I wanted to chat with other anti-immigrant europeans. Some people are too stupid and/or ignorant to think anti-immigrant = nazi. Nazism is a very violent idology. I dont support violence. People also think anti-immigrant=racist. I'm not racist because I wouldnt want WHITE americans in Norway in large numbers neither.
But clearly, some people in this thread are too mentally-challenged to sustain a civilized debate....

Because there are so many sheeps here.
I dont agree with your comments. It's too subjective. You cant predict future...

heres one thats pretty hard to argue with: the internet is bringing cultures closer together. honestly, tell me that we're not smack dab in the middle of the communication revolution. the world is getting closer together and there will be less and less places for xenophobes to hide from other cultures. but youve got to go into it with the humility that the value system that you were raised by is not THE way. i live in vancouver, BC, Canada. my best friend is from sao paulo brazil. other friends include ones from odessa, iran, and mauritius. its a big wide, beautiful world out there with all different kinds of people. why wouldnt you want to step outside your own small world and see what else is out there?

You mean without calling people "sheep" for example?

answer given...read above...

I didnt ask for opinions, let alone for insults. I wanted to chat with other anti-immigrant europeans. Some people are too stupid and/or ignorant to think anti-immigrant = nazi. Nazism is a very violent idology. I dont support violence. People also think anti-immigrant=racist. I'm not racist because I wouldnt want WHITE americans in Norway in large numbers neither.
But clearly, some people in this thread are too mentally-challenged to sustain a civilized debate....

Of course you wouldn't It's because you happily ignore the fact that there are Norwegian-Americans. All of those others, Irish, Germans, English... such dirty blood!

Isnt it more diverse when there are both anti-immigrant and immigration societies in the world?

No.

heres one thats pretty hard to argue with: the internet is bringing cultures closer together. honestly, tell me that we're not smack dab in the middle of the communication revolution. the world is getting closer together and there will be less and less places for xenophobes to hide from other cultures. but youve got to go into it with the humility that the value system that you were raised by is not THE way. i live in vancouver, BC, Canada. my best friend is from sao paulo brazil. other friends include ones from odessa, iran, and mauritius. its a big wide, beautiful world out there with all different kinds of people. why wouldnt you want to step outside your own small world and see what else is out there?

Because that would require him to do something other than set about in his recreation of the Reichstag bunker and kvetch about those damned sub-human Mousselmen.

Thank you. Maybe I should brand them "simplistic american imperialists." They basically want to turn world into USA...Now that would be very 'diverse'...

Not all of us are Americans, though... so, why should we want to "turn world into USA"?

You're citing facts from the CIA?

Are you just plain stupid?

Maybe you just can't read what I wrote. Yeah, that's it.

LOL. make a point...
cia was wrong about WMD's. But I think we can trust it on providing basic country data. Immigration isnt a secret goverment program, you know.You sunk that low to call my source non-credible...:rolleyes:

No but we do have a low birth rate from Lisbon to Moscow, my point is this Europe is pretty mixed anyhow, the Hungarians did not look caucasian when they first arrived! and if we are discussing ethnicities the Basques are not even Indo European, emigration is not a bad thing for the future stabilty of the united europe but i do draw the line at any more Muslim emigration whom i feel will not fully integrate into european norms, one has just to see the mainly Muslim ghettoes of northern England or Berlin to see examples of this.

Why dont we try to get our own birth rates up?

LOL. make a point...
cia was wrong about WMD's. But I think we can trust it on providing basic country data. Immigration isnt a secret goverment program, you know.You sunk that low to call my source non-credible...:rolleyes:

Actually, I've read what the CIA thinks about the history of Nicaragua. If they can't even get the history of a nation veritably protected by the Monroe Doctrine correct, I don't think they're likely to be right about anything else.

Actually, that figure is the 'migration' figure... which suggests it is the immigration MINUS the emigration, perhaps?

Japaneese immigrating in masses? where?

LOL. make a point...
cia was wrong about WMD's. But I think we can trust it on providing basic country data. Immigration isnt a secret goverment program, you know.You sunk that low to call my source non-credible...:rolleyes:

And you sunk so low as to call another poster a "rapist." Not that being a hypocrite bothers you at this point...

Japaneese immigrating in masses? where?
London, try Hampstead theres plenty!!

LOL. make a point...
cia was wrong about WMD's. But I think we can trust it on providing basic country data. Immigration isnt a secret goverment program, you know.You sunk that low to call my source non-credible...:rolleyes:

I noticed you didn't respond to my suggestion that 'migrant' populations are NOT the same as 'immigrant' populationss, though.

Got to pick your battles though, don't you?

Japaneese immigrating in masses? where?

America, mostly. Some also to Australia and New Zealand.

And you sunk so low as to call another poster a "rapist." Not that being a hypocrite bothers you at this point...

And I quote

Maybe someone should violate your anus...

Why dont we try to get our own birth rates up?

How?

You live in a fantasy world. Real world life involves things like 'costs of living'... which are forces that are making a LOT of people think very hard about whether they can AFFORD to have children.

Japaneese immigrating in masses? where?

Emigrating. At least research the matter enough to know what the TERMS mean.

And I quote

That doesn't make Santa Barbara a rapist any more than my suggesting that you suffer a fate similar to Quisling makes me a Norwegian Resistance fighter.

I'm all for immigration, as long as the immigrants can meet a set of requirements, in the United States we are having problems because not only are Mexican illegals undocumented and not paying taxes and the like, they are also uneducated and make up the majority of the poor on the border states. But if you have a high school education or will get one right away, and if you can pass a background check and literacy test I'm all for immigration, after all, we are a nation of immigrants. Otherwise it is bad for the host country.

It would be, yes.

If it weren't true....

How exactly is restricting immigration equal to Nazism?

I noticed you didn't respond to my suggestion that 'migrant' populations are NOT the same as 'immigrant' populationss, though.

Got to pick your battles though, don't you?

Pathetic arguments.

Migration means leaving or entering country. If there are too many emigrants migration rate would be - .If there were too many immigrants migration rate would be +. Since japaneese arent emigrating from japan in large numbers, migration rate of japan should be very close to the immigration rate into that country. In their case 0 per 1000 population.
Hence, no mass immigration to Japan. The country is 99% Japaneese anyway. click the link and read.
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Why dont we try to get our own birth rates up?

Because it simply will not happen, Having 2 or more children is no longer the priority for most europeans, maybe we are simply no longer poor and illeducated enough.

Emigration is key if Europe and its values are to survive hence why i agree with it, this should be our prioriy as europeans, namely the survival of our cultures and values - multiculturalism is not the threat as most migrants fully integrate except for the large muslim populations of Germany and France for example.

Maybe its different for me, i am descended from Bavarian stock whom are not Blond and Blue eyed but are german - hell my family are from the Bohmenwald so no doubt theres plenty of Czech blood in my veins, all over europe there has been intermixing since the year dot - Ancient Rome, was the result of distinct tribes (latin tribes, Etruscan tribes, Illyrian tribes, Celtic tribes etc) uniting and the Ancient greeks were invaders that conquered and assimilated the aboriginal Pelasgians. By this stage in our social evolution surely bloodstock in the eugenic sense is redundant, what matters is the things that make us German, French, Danish, Polish, etc, etc which are things that anyone can take up (i.e Language and culture).

Pathetic arguments.

Migration means leaving or entering country. If there are too many emigrants migration rate would be - .If there were too many immigrants migration rate would be +. Since japaneese arent emigrating from japan in large numbers, migration rate of japan should be very close to the immigration rate into that country. In their case 0 per 1000 population.
Hence, no mass immigration to Japan. The country is 99% Japaneese anyway. click the link and read.
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Actually... it isn't.

Sizable portions of Japan are ainu, Koreans, and Chinese. The Japanese generally tend to ignore that they exist and try to push a belief that there is only one race in Japan on each other and the world. As I can see, you've bought into that lock, stock, and barrel.

Japanese are emmigrating out, Westerners are immigrating in. Which part of that don't you understand?

Yes... yes I am.

You think that makes me a "sheep," and that eeeeveryone who disagrees with your paranoia and bigotry is just a "sheep." I comprehend what that means - you have this martyr complex whereby everybody is out to get you.

Shows up in your anti-immigration/foreigner stance as well.

Everyone here sees it, but again, they must all be "sheep" and not, ya know, maybe latching onto an obvious truth you are unwilling and therefore unable to see.

They are sheep because they AUTOMATICALLY brand me when they see I dont think like them...
I listen to what they have to say before responding to them....
I'm sick of trying to make you understand.

On the contrary - I believe, the only label I have used has been 'racist', which is a fair term for someone who discriminates based on race.

I dont descriminate based on race. are u retarded? I've told this many times. For example I'm against WHITE americans immigrating as well!!!

And I quote

Yes, and YOU said "maybe someone should invade your house." Does that mean you are a house invader?

Saying "maybe something should happen" is not the same as being the cause of that something to happen.

So, nope, you've absolutely failed to describe when or where and who I've raped.

I am no rapist. But you felt like trying to slander me and that was all you could think of at the time. I guess "stupid" and "ignorant" and "sheep" was starting to feel like a cliche for you.

I pity you if you honestly think anything you're doing or saying is reasonable. Yet I also doubt this is the case. I'm beginning to think you're just a troll having a go with everyone, trying to piss off as many people as possible, just so you can bask in the attention.

I dont descriminate based on race. are u retarded? I've told this many times. For example I'm against WHITE americans immigrating as well!!!

That pretty much makes you racist.

"We have spawned a new race here."
-Benjamin Franklin

I thought you said you were going to stop with the ad hominems. I've had enough. I have a meeting right now, but I plan to report this when I return.

Hopefully you will report all the people insulted me too...

Pathetic arguments.

Migration means leaving or entering country. If there are too many emigrants migration rate would be - .If there were too many immigrants migration rate would be +. Since japaneese arent emigrating from japan in large numbers, migration rate of japan should be very close to the immigration rate into that country. In their case 0 per 1000 population.
Hence, no mass immigration to Japan. The country is 99% Japaneese anyway. click the link and read.
Another argument collapsed...

I did read the link. I quite often use the same source you did (because it contains important information like GINI levels).

What you are ignoring is that high level emigration FROM Japan, coupled with high level immigration TO Japan, would give Japan a 'migration' level close to zero.

You need more information than just the 'migration' level, to work out how much immigration there is.

I dont descriminate based on race. are u retarded? I've told this many times. For example I'm against WHITE americans immigrating as well!!!
So you don't believe in multicultureism?

They are sheep because they AUTOMATICALLY brand me when they see I dont think like them...
I listen to what they have to say before responding to them....
I'm sick of trying to make you understand.

But you keep on doing it.

You know what other type of person keeps on doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result? Yup. That's right. You're sitting in the same room as mental retards.

(And before you ask, I'm just here for the pleasure of seeing you make an ass of yourself. The longer you do it, the more I'm entertained... of course, I'll probably grow bored... people with minds do tend to have that happen from time to time.)

Your culture is inferior.

It requires massive injections of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Catholics.

If you refuse, your culture will die the painful death that anti-semitism did in Germany.

Jocabia, will you report this too? I never called some culture inferior.

Jarusalas, are you jewish or muslim or what?

Jocabia, will you report this too? I never called some culture inferior.

Jarusalas, are you jewish or muslim or what?

I'm a Norwegian-American. :D

I dont descriminate based on race. are u retarded? I've told this many times. For example I'm against WHITE americans immigrating as well!!!

Your own 'version' of race (you seem to view the 'white american' as alien to your culture) suffices. You discriminate on PERCEPTION of 'race'.

Also - wasn't I originally responding to another poster, anyway? And - you've just kind of 'chosen' to take umbrage?

Jocabia, will you report this too? I never called some culture inferior.

Jarusalas, are you jewish or muslim or what?
But it is inherent in your argument.

Your own 'version' of race (you seem to view the 'white american' as alien to your culture) suffices. You discriminate on PERCEPTION of 'race'.
here here.:sniper:

heres one thats pretty hard to argue with: the internet is bringing cultures closer together. honestly, tell me that we're not smack dab in the middle of the communication revolution. the world is getting closer together and there will be less and less places for xenophobes to hide from other cultures. but youve got to go into it with the humility that the value system that you were raised by is not THE way. i live in vancouver, BC, Canada. my best friend is from sao paulo brazil. other friends include ones from odessa, iran, and mauritius. its a big wide, beautiful world out there with all different kinds of people. why wouldnt you want to step outside your own small world and see what else is out there?

Dont you think talking with people all over the world online and opening your borders and becoming a minortiy in your country are 2 different concepts?

No.

Isnt diversity basically having more 'kinds'?

Dont you think talking with people all over the world online and opening your borders and becoming a minortiy in your country are 2 different concepts?
I am now a minority in my state, but if you don't feel your 'race' is superior how is that a problem?

Dont you think talking with people all over the world online and opening your borders and becoming a minortiy in your country are 2 different concepts?

Which part of "You are not going to ever be a minority in your own nation," don't you understand? Unless you Norwegians start killing each other off at a frightening rate and/or the entire populaion of Pakistan moves to Norway, it will never happen.

I might also add, that there's a distinct possibility that Islam already flows through your veins. This would be because the Vikings brought back slaves from everywhere they went, including the Middle-East.

How?

You live in a fantasy world. Real world life involves things like 'costs of living'... which are forces that are making a LOT of people think very hard about whether they can AFFORD to have children.

Again, think outside box.
Most europeans want more kids but they cant because of social and economical reasons.

For example
1) tax breaks for families with children (like in france whose birth rate is 2nd highest in EU- 1.9/per women)
2) pension cuts for people with no children (german goverment suggested this)
3) Long periods of leave from work when u get kids(this is done in sweden whose birthrate is much higher than south european countries)
4)Trying to Change materialistic culture. People are whining costs of children while planning trips to Thailand or think of buying a sports car...

Things like this. These are examples, not my serious suggestions. You cant expect me to formulate complex goverment policies. Especially on this board. Basically what I'm saying is that no european country really tries to get birth rates up. We should try before deciding if it works or not. Are you one of those people who just give up b4 trying?

Emigrating. At least research the matter enough to know what the TERMS mean.

I'm answering many people and comments. Give me a break before criticizing my vocabulary. And it's not even my native language. Or is vocabulary your only argument left?

Again, think outside box.
Most europeans want more kids but they cant because of social and economical reasons.

So what you're saying is that most Europeans want kids a lot. But they don't want them as badly as they want to go to Thailand for their annual month (or more) of paid vacation. Clearly, Europeans do not want children badly enough.

So what you're saying is that most Europeans want kids a lot. But they don't want them as badly as they want to go to Thailand for their annual month (or more) of paid vacation. Clearly, Europeans do not want children badly enough.

exactly hence why migrants are needed, indeed the traditional european heartlands of large families (the catholic south) have been in population decline for some time.

Isnt diversity basically having more 'kinds'?

And we are going to have more kinds how?

A multicultural society is a lot of cultures, all mixed together... monoculture societies are the SAME NUMBER of cultures, just NOT mixed together.

That is not 'more kinds' - it is the same number of kinds, spread out.


Also - since mixed cultures usually spawn hybrid sub-cultures (like Creole, for example - on SO many levels, if you look at the origins of the term), the more 'diverse' culture will ACTUALLY have more 'kinds' - it will become MORE than just the sum of it's parts.

Because it simply will not happen, Having 2 or more children is no longer the priority for most europeans, maybe we are simply no longer poor and illeducated enough.

Emigration is key if Europe and its values are to survive hence why i agree with it, this should be our prioriy as europeans, namely the survival of our cultures and values - multiculturalism is not the threat as most migrants fully integrate except for the large muslim populations of Germany and France for example.

Maybe its different for me, i am descended from Bavarian stock whom are not Blond and Blue eyed but are german - hell my family are from the Bohmenwald so no doubt theres plenty of Czech blood in my veins, all over europe there has been intermixing since the year dot - Ancient Rome, was the result of distinct tribes (latin tribes, Etruscan tribes, Illyrian tribes, Celtic tribes etc) uniting and the Ancient greeks were invaders that conquered and assimilated the aboriginal Pelasgians. By this stage in our social evolution surely bloodstock in the eugenic sense is redundant, what matters is the things that make us German, French, Danish, Polish, etc, etc which are things that anyone can take up (i.e Language and culture).


We havent even tried to get birth rates up. Actually it's kinda taboo to debate this in germany. Because hitler wanted to get birth rates up too. People in Europe are so afraid to be branded of racism and being politically incorrect they cant make debates and be honest.
Maybe this is natural after the horrible atrocities in WW2. But people should be able to debate all topics(non-violent)...

Yes, and YOU said "maybe someone should invade your house." Does that mean you are a house invader?

Saying "maybe something should happen" is not the same as being the cause of that something to happen.

So, nope, you've absolutely failed to describe when or where and who I've raped.

I am no rapist. But you felt like trying to slander me and that was all you could think of at the time. I guess "stupid" and "ignorant" and "sheep" was starting to feel like a cliche for you.

I pity you if you honestly think anything you're doing or saying is reasonable. Yet I also doubt this is the case. I'm beginning to think you're just a troll having a go with everyone, trying to piss off as many people as possible, just so you can bask in the attention.


You realise house example and anus example are very different, dont you?

I did read the link. I quite often use the same source you did (because it contains important information like GINI levels).

What you are ignoring is that high level emigration FROM Japan, coupled with high level immigration TO Japan, would give Japan a 'migration' level close to zero.

You need more information than just the 'migration' level, to work out how much immigration there is.

Ok the country is 99% ethnic japaneese...That makes them very diverse to your opinion?

Again, think outside box.
Most europeans want more kids but they cant because of social and economical reasons.

For example
1) tax breaks for families with children (like in france whose birth rate is 2nd highest in EU- 1.9/per women)
2) pension cuts for people with no children (german goverment suggested this)
3) Long periods of leave from work when u get kids(this is done in sweden whose birthrate is much higher than south european countries)
4)Trying to Change materialistic culture. People are whining costs of children while planning trips to Thailand or think of buying a sports car...

Things like this. These are examples, not my serious suggestions. You cant expect me to formulate complex goverment policies. Especially on this board. Basically what I'm saying is that no european country really tries to get birth rates up. We should try before deciding if it works or not. Are you one of those people who just give up b4 trying?

Do you not see the problems in those suggestions? We NEED more young, because we will be bankrupted otherwise... so we CUT TAX on those that produce young? Folly - because the FINANCIAL shortfall was the main reason for increasing the population. The same with extended family 'leave' - if people spend less time working, you are either not paying them for it (in which case, they pay no taxes on it) or you ARE paying them for it - in which case you are paying for 'non-productive' time that earned no fiscal return.

And, I'm afraid you are wrong.

Most Europeans really DON'T want more children. If they did, contraception wouldn't be a big seller. But they ESPECIALLY don't want more children, because of the expense.

We havent even tried to get birth rates up. Actually it's kinda taboo to debate this in germany. Because hitler wanted to get birth rates up too. People in Europe are so afraid to be branded of racism and being politically incorrect they cant make debates and be honest.
Maybe this is natural after the horrible atrocities in WW2. But people should be able to debate all topics(non-violent)...

to an extent yes but i have to disagree that it has not been tried at all, lets be frank here your avarage european couple will have one child at the most two, thats the way it is and with our aging populations we do not have a choice. I think the PC'ness in europe is slipping away to be honest especially in light of the conflict with Islam.

You realise house example and anus example are very different, dont you?

Yes.

In your house, one can take every single possession you own, including your life, your family, all of your money.

Once someone takes your ass, it's done with. You might have nightmares for the rest of your life, but I doubt that it would be as bad as if your house were sacked and your family murdered before your eyes.

So you don't believe in multicultureism?

Not in European countries. I mean like no non-europeans in a european country...
Switzerland is already multicultural (german, french, italian) But it shouldnt include mass numbers of, say, muslims....

Ok the country is 99% ethnic japaneese...That makes them very diverse to your opinion?

I've already explained this to you.

The CIA is lying to you. Well, they've been misled, by the Japanese government.

Only about 80% of Japan is actually Japanese. The rest is Ainu (aboriginal Japanese), Koreans, Chinese, and miscellany.

I'm answering many people and comments. Give me a break before criticizing my vocabulary. And it's not even my native language. Or is vocabulary your only argument left?

I'm not criticising your vocabulary.

I am criticising the fact that this is YOUR debate, and yet you don't even understand the basic terms of the subject you are debating.

You throw 'migrant', 'emigrant' and 'immigrant' around as though they were entirely interchangable.

If you are more comfortable in a different language, feel free to use YOUR words for 'migrant', 'immigrant' and 'emigrant'. I'll look up the terms if I have to... just so long as you use the proper term in the proper place.

One wonders, of course, why you insist on participating in a 'multicultural' forum. This isn't 'your culture'... why would you want to be 'here'?

Your own 'version' of race (you seem to view the 'white american' as alien to your culture) suffices. You discriminate on PERCEPTION of 'race'.

Also - wasn't I originally responding to another poster, anyway? And - you've just kind of 'chosen' to take umbrage?

Not race, more like ethnicity. Preserving your country ethnically. Why is preservation so offensive to some of you? Why? I'm not violent. I'm not saying we should hurt someone because he isnt norwegian. Is preserving pure persian cats offensive? Surely one is human, the other animal but what I basically want is to preserve somethings. Like I want to preserve enviroment. See you really dont understand me but you have labelled me many posts before...
I dont know what umbrage means...

You realise house example and anus example are very different, dont you?

Not so different that your example means you're just talking, and my example makes me a "rapist."

I'm still wondering who it is I've ever raped, where, when. Please, tell me!

Not race, more like ethnicity. Preserving your country ethnically. Why is preservation so offensive to some of you? Why? I'm not violent. I'm not saying we should hurt someone because he isnt norwegian. Is preserving pure persian cats offensive? Surely one is human, the other animal but what I basically want is to preserve somethings. Like I want to preserve enviroment. See you really dont understand me but you have labelled me many posts before...
I dont know what umbrage means...

Your 'ethnicity' will be fine.

Seeking to impose a quota on the ethnicities in your country is wrong.

I am now a minority in my state, but if you don't feel your 'race' is superior how is that a problem?

Why is preserving status quo a problem? I dont feel superior. I am just proud.

Not race, more like ethnicity. Preserving your country ethnically. Why is preservation so offensive to some of you? Why? I'm not violent.

Because you want to "preserve" your country by expelling anyone who isn't "Norwegian" enough (according to you, God and Judge of All That Is Norway).

The nazi's did the exact same thing.

And I doubt you'd be crying if instead of deportation, they were shipped out in railway cars to some undisclosed location. After all, you think they're all criminals who are invading your country.

Why is preserving status quo a problem? I dont feel superior. I am just proud.

Because the only constant in the universe is change. Attempting to hold onto a moment for longer than it is intended to be does nothing but fuck up everything.

Why is preserving status quo a problem?
Not a problem. Its merely stupid. It causes stagnation.

Which part of "You are not going to ever be a minority in your own nation," don't you understand? Unless you Norwegians start killing each other off at a frightening rate and/or the entire populaion of Pakistan moves to Norway, it will never happen.

I might also add, that there's a distinct possibility that Islam already flows through your veins. This would be because the Vikings brought back slaves from everywhere they went, including the Middle-East.

Not in significant numbers. They'd rather rape and pillage where they went. They were pretty barbaric...But it was more than a millenia ago...
Besides I wouldnt need a spf 1 million sun cream then...
If current trends continue (low native european birth rates, high 'immigrants in europe' birth rates and continuing mass immigration), native europeans WILL be a minority in Europe...What part dont u understand?

Not in significant numbers. They'd rather rape and pillage where they went. They were pretty barbaric...But it was more than a millenia ago...
Besides I wouldnt need a spf 1 million sun cream then...
If current trends continue (low native european birth rates, high 'immigrants in europe' birth rates and continuing mass immigration), native europeans WILL be a minority in Europe...What part dont u understand?

By then the immigrants will be native Europeans. They'll have adopted and altered your culture. They will be interbred with those who were natives in their fathers' and grandfathers' days. Blonde hair and blue eyes won't go away: it will become more rare, but it won't disappear.

Not race, more like ethnicity. Preserving your country ethnically. Why is preservation so offensive to some of you? Why? I'm not violent. I'm not saying we should hurt someone because he isnt norwegian. Is preserving pure persian cats offensive? Surely one is human, the other animal but what I basically want is to preserve somethings. Like I want to preserve enviroment. See you really dont understand me but you have labelled me many posts before...
I dont know what umbrage means...

Preservation isn't offensive. But, defining the borders of a nation because of a perceived 'ethnicity' common to those in that nation, is illogical.

As a question for you - many people have moved out of your nation, over hundreds of years. What if they all wanted to come back, now?

Would you be happy with the tens of millions of people that are roughly correspondent with YOUR 'ethnicity' coming back across your borders?

Why is preserving status quo a problem? I dont feel superior. I am just proud.

How can you be 'proud' of something you haven't 'done'?

It is illogical to be proud of your race or gender, the colour of your skin, or your nation of birth. They are all things YOU had no choice in.

Not in significant numbers. They'd rather rape and pillage where they went. They were pretty barbaric...But it was more than a millenia ago...
Besides I wouldnt need a spf 1 million sun cream then...
If current trends continue (low native european birth rates, high 'immigrants in europe' birth rates and continuing mass immigration), native europeans WILL be a minority in Europe...What part dont u understand?

You say that like it's a bad thing.

And - what IS a 'native european'?

How can you be 'proud' of something you haven't 'done'?

It is illogical to be proud of your race or gender, the colour of your skin, or your nation of birth. They are all things YOU had no choice in.

Unless you're Micheal Jackson. In which case your race, skin color, and gender are all as you chose them to be. :p

If current trends continue (low native european birth rates, high 'immigrants in europe' birth rates and continuing mass immigration), native europeans WILL be a minority in Europe...What part dont u understand?

My parents were immigrants to the UK (from outside of the Europe). I am a UK citizen, as are they. I consider myself to be a "native" European insofar as anyone can be described as "native" to Europe. Would you?

You will lose marks every time you bring up race.

what we are really forgetting is that in case of the US there is a problem with illegal immagrants that are crossing our borders i dont car if they due to make extra money to go home But to have to learn their language because they are to lazy to learn ours is stupid because my parents came over here with nothing and had to LEARN english so all those cubans and mexicans who want help can get it by speaking english because i didnt ask for their country to be shitty and would help them if they spoke english

i migrated from former USSR the most shittist place to be

You realise house example and anus example are very different, dont you?
Depends on where you live :)

Jocabia, will you report this too? I never called some culture inferior.

Jarusalas, are you jewish or muslim or what?
Report what? If he was wrong, correct him. It's not against the rules.

exactly hence why migrants are needed, indeed the traditional european heartlands of large families (the catholic south) have been in population decline for some time.

Dont you think there are cultural reasons for this. And that 'culture' should be and perhaps might be changed. I support for preserving cultures but preserving doesnt mean keeping it exactly same...I just want to preserve some founding blocks...

Hi,

I'm essentially an immigrant, from the great nation of Holland, with an English mother, and have been living in the UK for over 30 years. I still feel Dutch, mostly, although I can speak proper Norfolk now and more than pass for any number of English accents. Have lived throughout the UK and met thousands of immigrants.

I'm still partly unsure about mass immigration myself, as I have also travelled a bit and seen countries losing their national identity (what about England, becoming much more American? Yuk! - I'm sure that there's hundreds of good things about America, it's just we seem to be getting the worst of them here.) I think its such a pity when a country loses its national identity, perhaps its just more to do with the younger generations losing the practical skills that people have e.g. American Indians who go out and get taught how to hunt again. Or people who have forgotten how to bake cake.

Here's a strange one: I heard on Radio 4 a few weeks ago that (I think) Estonian workers now migrate to Ireland to work on mushroom farms. The economic gap they leave behind is filled by workers migrating to Estonia from their neighbours in Belarus or Lithuania where the economies are even less strong. Wow, that's really weird.

What I do feel strongly about is the slow move to more right-wing views over much of Europe, and hope that this is firmly halted.

anyway enough of me,
regards

And we are going to have more kinds how?

A multicultural society is a lot of cultures, all mixed together... monoculture societies are the SAME NUMBER of cultures, just NOT mixed together.

That is not 'more kinds' - it is the same number of kinds, spread out.


Also - since mixed cultures usually spawn hybrid sub-cultures (like Creole, for example - on SO many levels, if you look at the origins of the term), the more 'diverse' culture will ACTUALLY have more 'kinds' - it will become MORE than just the sum of it's parts.

So? There are many immigrant societies. Why should ALL societies be immigrant?

So? There are many immigrant societies. Why should ALL societies be immigrant?

Because diversity is the key to survival.

Do you not see the problems in those suggestions? We NEED more young, because we will be bankrupted otherwise... so we CUT TAX on those that produce young? Folly - because the FINANCIAL shortfall was the main reason for increasing the population. The same with extended family 'leave' - if people spend less time working, you are either not paying them for it (in which case, they pay no taxes on it) or you ARE paying them for it - in which case you are paying for 'non-productive' time that earned no fiscal return.

And, I'm afraid you are wrong.

Most Europeans really DON'T want more children. If they did, contraception wouldn't be a big seller. But they ESPECIALLY don't want more children, because of the expense.

I think we should just try. Look at japan. A wealthy country with almost no immigration. Yeah their economy is growing very slowly but they are still weathy, they are still high tech. They sort it out somehow...

So? There are many immigrant societies. Why should ALL societies be immigrant?

ALL societies ARE immigrant.

You are mistaken if you think Norwegians, or anyone else, just got popped into existence by magic. And - just having been there for a hundred years, or a thousand, doesn't mean a people are NOT 'immigrants'.

Also - when one of your countrymates goes overseas, and comes back with a nice Latino wife, or she comes back with a cute oriental husband, those people are 'outsiders' becoming part of your 'culture'... and that has been happening for ever.

But - even if you were right (which, of course, you are not), and some nation was mysteriously borne in a bubble - why SHOULDN'T they be an immigrant society?

You haven't shown any GOOD reasons why a nation should be 'one ethnicity'... and we've seen a number of reasons (dropping populations, hybrid vigour of immigrant genetics in the genepool) why immigration is GOOD.

I think we should just try. Look at japan. A wealthy country with almost no immigration. Yeah their economy is growing very slowly but they are still weathy, they are still high tech. They sort it out somehow...

You haven't proved "almost no immigration".

to an extent yes but i have to disagree that it has not been tried at all, lets be frank here your avarage european couple will have one child at the most two, thats the way it is and with our aging populations we do not have a choice. I think the PC'ness in europe is slipping away to be honest especially in light of the conflict with Islam.


France got 1.9/per women, Italy got 1.2/per women birth rates. Pro family policies make big difference. And france isnt nearly doing all she can...

I think we should just try. Look at japan. A wealthy country with almost no immigration. Yeah their economy is growing very slowly but they are still weathy, they are still high tech. They sort it out somehow...

Actually, their economy is slowly sliding towards the toilet, because their population is going down, not up. A large part of their economy is based on selling stuff to themselves. I believe that they're predicting a collapse of their economy due to depopulation in the next 25 years.

I'm not criticising your vocabulary.

I am criticising the fact that this is YOUR debate, and yet you don't even understand the basic terms of the subject you are debating.

You throw 'migrant', 'emigrant' and 'immigrant' around as though they were entirely interchangable.

If you are more comfortable in a different language, feel free to use YOUR words for 'migrant', 'immigrant' and 'emigrant'. I'll look up the terms if I have to... just so long as you use the proper term in the proper place.

One wonders, of course, why you insist on participating in a 'multicultural' forum. This isn't 'your culture'... why would you want to be 'here'?

My aim was to chat/meet with other europeans who think smilarly like me. I wasnt planning or predicting this thread to be this big....

Not so different that your example means you're just talking, and my example makes me a "rapist."

I'm still wondering who it is I've ever raped, where, when. Please, tell me!

Maybe I remember it wrong? Werent you implieing prussian blue girls were 'begging' to be raped by non whites? I couldnt check it because that thread got deleted...

My aim was to chat/meet with other europeans who think smilarly like me. I wasnt planning or predicting this thread to be this big....

There's always Stormfront. ;)

immigrants should only be allowed into a nation if they arrive legally... I cant stand the mexicans protesting those who are here illegally as if they have a right to be here. They are here illegally. bottom line its illegal:mp5:

Maybe I remember it wrong? Werent you implieing prussian blue girls were 'begging' to be raped by non whites? I couldnt check it because that thread got deleted...

No, that was someone else.

Dont you think there are cultural reasons for this. And that 'culture' should be and perhaps might be changed. I support for preserving cultures but preserving doesnt mean keeping it exactly same...I just want to preserve some founding blocks...

1. Have you considered which elements of Norwegian culture you wish to preserve?

2. If so, which, why, and how?

3. Are you familiar with the proportionality principle?

I am opposed to Illegal Immagration. If the crossed the border Illegaly then we need to round them up and send them out. I dont mind European Immagration or Asia or Carribien. Its only that they dont tend to cross Illegaly, Unlike the South Americans they are the ones in Mh-13 and bringing poverty and Crime to America.

Save America Now Bush!!

Your 'ethnicity' will be fine.

Seeking to impose a quota on the ethnicities in your country is wrong.

I dont have the power to impose anyway. But maybe with debates like this, I might convince some people. Maybe in time a majority of people will think similarly like me and we(they) will elect an anti-immigrant goverment. Maybe it's a low chance, but who knows? It's worth trying...Besides spending a couple hours on a topic like this once a year isnt hard to do. Of course my role in such a political thing would be very small but I'm glad to defend and say my views and do what I believe is right. Besides there are many anti-immigrant people in Norway anyway. FrP, which is basically anti-immigrant is 2nd biggest party...
And there are many anti-immigrant people in europe too, we just have to express our opiniouns in forums like these...

Because you want to "preserve" your country by expelling anyone who isn't "Norwegian" enough (according to you, God and Judge of All That Is Norway).

The nazi's did the exact same thing.

And I doubt you'd be crying if instead of deportation, they were shipped out in railway cars to some undisclosed location. After all, you think they're all criminals who are invading your country.

I dont support violence. Dont assume what I'd care or not...

Because the only constant in the universe is change. Attempting to hold onto a moment for longer than it is intended to be does nothing but fuck up everything.

But change doesnt have to be so quick. And relative to human life span some things are constant. Like sun is constant, with billions of years of existance, relative to 100 year human life span....

Not a problem. Its merely stupid. It causes stagnation.

Glad you dont see it as a problem...I dont find it stupid but I dont care what you think as long as you dont try to impose USA model as the only model of society...

immigrants should only be allowed into a nation if they arrive legally... I cant stand the mexicans protesting those who are here illegally as if they have a right to be here. They are here illegally. bottom line its illegal:mp5:


In times of slavery it was illegal to escape, still I do think supporters of escaped slaves have done a good job the past few hundred years.

The west has made a lot of money out of the third world the past 50 years and is still doing so. Those people that live there are the new slaves. It's only justified they want to come and enjoy the wealth they and their families have worked for. We live in a new sort of colonialism. We exploit the arab countries for example like it's a colony.

Besides that I remember myself as a kid wondering, after the evening news, why I was so lucky to be born in such a wealthy part of the world. Think about it, it's just luck that gave you all that wealth not because your parents of grandparents worked so hard for it. They never did that to build a wealthy country. It's only fair those people try to be as lucky as we are. We should share it. Amen

By then the immigrants will be native Europeans. They'll have adopted and altered your culture. They will be interbred with those who were natives in their fathers' and grandfathers' days. Blonde hair and blue eyes won't go away: it will become more rare, but it won't disappear.

Even if they adapt, I dont consider them native. Many people or maybe majority will agree with me.

Glad you dont see it as a problem...I dont find it stupid but I dont care what you think as long as you dont try to impose USA model as the only model of society...

Fine. I wouldn't want to inflict the USA model (as you call it) on the world. The world has enough problems. :D

But change doesnt have to be so quick.

You can't control it. You just have to deal with that aspect of life- you don't have the ability to control society.

Preservation isn't offensive. But, defining the borders of a nation because of a perceived 'ethnicity' common to those in that nation, is illogical.

As a question for you - many people have moved out of your nation, over hundreds of years. What if they all wanted to come back, now?

Would you be happy with the tens of millions of people that are roughly correspondent with YOUR 'ethnicity' coming back across your borders?

But they lost the culture. I dont consider Jacobi scandinavian just because his parents are. He was born and raised in USA, which makes him american. It's not just ethnicity...

How can you be 'proud' of something you haven't 'done'?

It is illogical to be proud of your race or gender, the colour of your skin, or your nation of birth. They are all things YOU had no choice in.

Other people make you proud too. Sometimes you are proud of what your mother does or brother. Werent you proud when americans were walking on moon? Assume u were old enough to watch it for the 1st time or maybe you are....

But they lost the culture. I dont consider Jacobi scandinavian just because his parents are. He was born and raised in USA, which makes him american. It's not just ethnicity...

Actually, immigrants do a better job of preserving their culture than people in 'the Olde Countrie'. Norwegians always seem shocked by the culture that Scandoamericans have preserved. :p

You say that like it's a bad thing.

And - what IS a 'native european'?

ethnically european....

ethnically european....

Where does the border of Europe cease?