NationStates Jolt Archive

Ny Nordland: Our countries? So it's yours because you had the luck to be born there? And if you're so afraid of becoming a minority, START BREEDING! Instead of continuing to live in an old peoples' home, doting on oil-revenues.

Kievan: As a matter of fact, I AM able to debate things, but this bull you're spewing is beneath my consideration. Your total lack of common sense, coupled with your bigotry make me too tired.

Do you people have any idea about the difference between the main tenets of Christianity and Islam? Culture clash my ass, the only culture clash I see comes from fundamentalist bigots on both sides of the 'fence.'

Yes, norway belongs to norwegians, netherlands belongs to dutch. You belong to indonesia.

They arent europeans because:
1) They arent etnically european...Neither are any other Indo-Europeans then.
2) Their culture is different from what can be considered european. Just walk in a turkish street then walk in a european one....What's that supposed to mean? Is Bavaria not part of Germany because of the massive differences between Munich and Berlin?
3) They are muslim...So Albania is not part of Europe?
4) Geographically 97% of the country is in asia......minor

The Urals are the best possible boundary. If you can think of a better one, I'd like to hear it.How about the Pacific? You could well consider Europe and Asia the same continent.

Neither are any other Indo-Europeans then.

And who is, pray tell?


What's that supposed to mean? Is Bavaria not part of Germany because of the massive differences between Munich and Berlin?

Food for though. They did nearly seperate after the Great War.

So Albania is not part of Europe?

They wouldn't be muslims if it wasn't for our good friends, the Turks.

How about the Pacific? You could well consider Europe and Asia the same continent.

I meant the best possible boundary between Europe and Asia.

And, yes, you could, but it'd be too damn big.

They arent europeans because:
1) They arent etnically european...
2) Their culture is different from what can be considered european. Just walk in a turkish street then walk in a european one....
3) They are muslim...
4) Geographically 97% of the country is in asia...

1)There is no particular ethnicity called "European." Turks, Khazars, Slavs, French, Basques, Celts, Saxons, those are ethnicities. There's no "European" ethnicity. At what point do you stop calling an ethnicity European? Turkey is a fascinating country, mainly because so many of the people there are of mixed descent amongst Europeans, Turks, Central Asians, etc. just like Russia, or even Poland, which has a big mix of Russians, Poles, Slavs, and Germans...
2) Shall I try Constantinople, now called Istanbul (I admit, I'm a fan of the Greeks and Byzantines, and I'm not even Greek!)? Completely indistinguishable from Athens, if you ask me. I've been spelunking in both. In fact, Istanbul is by far the more hip, "European" city.
3) Turkey is a secular state. It recognises no religion as the state relgiion, just as France does. You'll also find that it has many Orthodox Christians.
4) The Bosphorus straits define Europe? Is there a particularly non arbitrary reason why this is so?

And who is, pray tell?I think they died out, actually.
Food for though. They did nearly seperate after the Great War.And that's one of the reasons why its called a Freistaat today.
They wouldn't be muslims if it wasn't for our good friends, the Turks.What's your point? We wouldn't be Christian if it weren't for the Jews.

Neither are any other Indo-Europeans then.
yeah thet indo- looks suspicious.
What's that supposed to mean? Is Bavaria not part of Germany because of the massive differences between Munich and Berlin?
The comparison is more like munich and tokyo, not munich and berlin...
So Albania is not part of Europe?
bosnian and albanian muslims are exception
...minor
97% is minor? learn math. By your logic, spain can be an african country.

4) The Bosphorus straits define Europe? Is there a particularly non arbitrary reason why this is so?

Yeah, because it's a water body.

I'd like to coin a term - Aryan-goggles.

You know how your buddy defies reason when he drinks beer and only sees what he wants to see, i.e. beer goggles. That's just like the Aryans, who actually try to pretend like immigration and emmigration aren't the only realy staple of European culture. Considering the entire white population of North and South America are European immigrants of the last half millenia, it seems like history defeats their point. Considering the amount of people in each European country that self-identify as ethnically from another country. Why do you think swedes tan so well? It's not a characteristic developed in Sweden. Where'd the black hair come from?

Meanwhile, in Sweden the number of immigrants per capita has gone down steadily for more than a decade, so it appears all of this is just Aryan-goggles making the Aryans freak out over the fact that dark-skinned people have suddenly become more visible.

Which shows you how LOW Europe's fallen. It's a lot like how you could become a West German citizen by saying "My grandmother owned a German Shepard! I'm German!"
I should think a Pakistani Londoner whose lived his life in England would take exception to the idea that he was not a European.

What's your point? We wouldn't be Christian if it weren't for the Jews.

That was religious conversion, the Turk invasion was probably forceful.

I meant the best possible boundary between Europe and Asia.

And, yes, you could, but it'd be too damn big.So why isn't India considered it's own continent, if they have such a nice boundary?

Yes, norway belongs to norwegians.....
So long as they're not Sami, right?

That was religious conversion, the Turk invasion was probably forceful.If you consider the Christian conversion of Europe more peaceful than the conversion of the Albanians, you may need to reread European history.

So why isn't India considered it's own continent, if they have such a nice boundary?

Because they're so well defined.

Yeah, because it's a water body.
English Channel? The Irish Sea?

Gotta come up with something better than that.

1)There is no particular ethnicity called "European." Turks, Khazars, Slavs, French, Basques, Celts, Saxons, those are ethnicities. There's no "European" ethnicity. At what point do you stop calling an ethnicity European? Turkey is a fascinating country, mainly because so many of the people there are of mixed descent amongst Europeans, Turks, Central Asians, etc. just like Russia, or even Poland, which has a big mix of Russians, Poles, Slavs, and Germans...
2) Shall I try Constantinople, now called Istanbul (I admit, I'm a fan of the Greeks and Byzantines, and I'm not even Greek!)? Completely indistinguishable from Athens, if you ask me. I've been spelunking in both. In fact, Istanbul is by far the more hip, "European" city.
3) Turkey is a secular state. It recognises no religion as the state relgiion, just as France does. You'll also find that it has many Orthodox Christians.
4) The Bosphorus straits define Europe? Is there a particularly non arbitrary reason why this is so?

ethnically european = native european = people who are evolved in europe (after leaving africa) = maybe we can call them white, but that's not true completely, some east asians have white skin but they arent ethnically european

Why do u care who's european? Are u bored and looking for a debate?

Turkey isnt european. Like I'm not asian. Simple.

I'd like to coin a term - Aryan-goggles.

You know how your buddy defies reason when he drinks beer and only sees what he wants to see, i.e. beer goggles. That's just like the Aryans, who actually try to pretend like immigration and emmigration aren't the only realy staple of European culture. Considering the entire white population of North and South America are European immigrants of the last half millenia, it seems like history defeats their point. Considering the amount of people in each European country that self-identify as ethnically from another country. Why do you think swedes tan so well? It's not a characteristic developed in Sweden. Where'd the black hair come from?

1) Europeans emigrated to lands that were unexplored and unsettled. That's not the immigration were talking about.

2) Black hair was around long before blonde hair, mate.

If you consider the Christian conversion of Europe more peaceful than the conversion of the Albanians, you may need to reread European history.

Let's see... Roman Emperor goes Christian, some German barbarians lose their favourite tree... doesn't seem so violent.

My parents are immigrants. They came from the U.S. to Canada before I was born.

Nothing wrong with immigration, I don't particularly like the canadian government's policy of having them all move to a select few cities though, it really sucks when the infrastructure isn't there to support the population growth.

English Channel? The Irish Sea?

Gotta come up with something better than that.

The British Isles are... islands. Of Europe.

1) Europeans emigrated to lands that were unexplored and unsettled. That's not the immigration were talking about.

2) Black hair was around long before blonde hair, mate.

The Aztecs, Incas, Maya and Native Americans might have something to say about that.

I'm not against the concept of immigration, but I think it should be tough for an immigrant to get in, and a distinguishment from legal immigrant to illegal. I also believe that immigrants are required to get citizenship if they want to stay, as well as learning the national language(s).

The British Isles are... islands. Of Europe.
You seem to be missing the point

ethnically european = native european = people who are evolved in europe (after leaving africa) = maybe we can call them white, but that's not true completely, some east asians have white skin but they arent ethnically european

Why do u care who's european? Are u bored and looking for a debate?

Turkey isnt european. Like I'm not asian. Simple.

I am definitely looking for a debate. I wish to expand my horizons, and hopefully yours, as well.

I don't care particularly what makes one European, but the idea that you can place arbitrary boundaries on what makes one European. Why are some peripheral states accepted, but others are not? Is it because it's arbitrary? Are there unique reasons? I'd like to know.

I haven't been convinced as to why Turkey automatically isn't European, but I will listen to your arguments.

The British Isles are... islands. Of Europe.

Right. So what about Sweden now? Iceland?

Come on, gimme some other reason why the Bosphorus straits are good delimiters on Europe. I'll give you a hint; it's not geographical.

1) Europeans emigrated to lands that were unexplored and unsettled. That's not the immigration were talking about.

2) Black hair was around long before blonde hair, mate.

1)Unsettled? Australia, the Americas and Africa were unsettled? You mean, unsettled by Aryans, don't you? Aryan-goggles. Thank you for making my point. You don't count any 'exploration' unless white people were involved. I'd say Native Americans considered the Americas quite explored and quite settled.

2) What's your point? The reason why Scandanavians look like they look and have the traits they have is because their people are a conglomeration of immigrants from all over.

yeah thet indo- looks suspicious.So you do think that indo-european cultures, such as the germanic tribes, aren't ethnically European?
The comparison is more like munich and tokyo, not munich and berlin...Have you been there? I'd say the comparison is much more Munich/Berlin if you compare Athens/Istanbul. I haven't been there, but I hear they're similar from people that have been. Have you been there?
bosnian and albanian muslims are exceptionEh? So you get to make exceptions when you see it fit?
97% is minor? learn math. By your logic, spain can be an african country.Not at all. I meant to complete your "Asia" with a "Minor".

I am definitely looking for a debate. I wish to expand my horizons, and hopefully yours, as well.

I don't care particularly what makes one European, but the idea that you can place arbitrary boundaries on what makes one European. Why are some peripheral states accepted, but others are not? Is it because it's arbitrary? Are there unique reasons? I'd like to know.

I haven't been convinced as to why Turkey automatically isn't European, but I will listen to your arguments.

I told you. Your counter-arguments wasnt satisfactory to me to reply because it didnt affect my opinion...
Why should we accept them as europeans? If they were ,we wouldnt need to debate it. Who debates if Italy is european?
I hope Turks live happily, lead happy lives. Just not in a european country...

ethnically european = native european = people who are evolved in europe (after leaving africa) = maybe we can call them white, but that's not true completely, some east asians have white skin but they arent ethnically european

Why do u care who's european? Are u bored and looking for a debate?

Turkey isnt european. Like I'm not asian. Simple.

I can tell your research in this area is very thorough. Aryan-goggles.

1)Unsettled? Australia, the Americas and Africa were unsettled? You mean, unsettled by Aryans, don't you? Aryan-goggles. Thank you for making my point. You don't count any 'exploration' unless white people were involved. I'd say Native Americans considered the Americas quite explored and quite settled.



hehehe I'd reckon they'd try to claim China and India weren't "Settled" if the evidence wasn't so bleedingly to the contrary.

That was religious conversion, the Turk invasion was probably forceful.
Hahahaha. Just because it happened farther in the past doesn't make the christian conversion of europe less forceful. Christianity has a long and ugly history in Europe.

I can tell your research in this area is very thorough. Aryan-goggles.

I'm not getting ready for a university lecture....

The Aztecs, Incas, Maya and Native Americans might have something to say about that.

Don't you know? People with brown skin don't count... duh.

Right. So what about Sweden now? Iceland?

Come on, gimme some other reason why the Bosphorus straits are good delimiters on Europe. I'll give you a hint; it's not geographical.
Let's not forget Russia... I mean, is it in Europe or is it in Asia?

I'm not getting ready for a university lecture....
Oh. A lecture at Tromsö Institute for White Supremacy then?

I told you. Your counter-arguments wasnt satisfactory to me to reply because it didnt affect my opinion...
Why should we accept them as europeans? If they were ,we wouldnt need to debate it. Who debates if Italy is european?
I hope Turks live happily, lead happy lives. Just not in a european country...
That's fine to not accept my coutner arguments, but it's NOT fine to close your mind to them.

Why we should accept them has been given to you by me in my various reasons. We need to debate it because Turkey IS a shadowy area in the "Just might make it" status. We debate because it's an interesting topic.

And I also debate it because to anybody who sees the wealth, happiness and freedom a western, democratic state can bring to you and your family deserves a crack at achieving it.

1)Unsettled? Australia, the Americas and Africa were unsettled? You mean, unsettled by Aryans, don't you? Aryan-goggles. Thank you for making my point. You don't count any 'exploration' unless white people were involved. I'd say Native Americans considered the Americas quite explored and quite settled.

2) What's your point? The reason why Scandanavians look like they look and have the traits they have is because their people are a conglomeration of immigrants from all over.

I dont approve what europeans did to people in americas. They destroyed whole cultures there...their actions were bloody and primitive...
But are u suggesting I should pay for what those people did? I should be guilty of someone else's crimes? And let my culture destroyed by immigration like thiers did?

Eh? So you get to make exceptions when you see it fit?

I told you, it's aryan-goggles. If Aryans did it, then it's a wonderful cultural movement and if it's people with brown skin then it's a violent attempt to destroy white culture. It's not arbitrary. It's a very definitive line based on skin color.

Let's see... Roman Emperor goes Christian, some German barbarians lose their favourite tree... doesn't seem so violent.
Roman emperor goes christian, pagan temples are destroyed, pagans forced to convert or die, burnt at the stake or tortured. Let's not forget the jewish europeans around the time of the inquisition, yes, they weren't violently converted at all now were they?

Don't you know? People with brown skin don't count... duh.

Oh, of course. Kievan-Prussia, remember that "Kievan-Prussia's a NAZI!" thread you created? :p

Oh. A lecture at Tromsö Institute for White Supremacy then?

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional... I've never said I was superior than anyone else. Just different. And I want to preserve it.
/beging sarcasm Funny...since I'm the nazi, I should be the aggressive one, making falseless accusations, not an open minded wise person like you /end sarcasm

I'm not getting ready for a university lecture....

So... because this is not a 'university lecture', it is aceptable to have a premise that is based on no evidence?

After all - why would you want mere 'facts' getting in the way of a good prejudice?

So you do think that indo-european cultures, such as the germanic tribes, aren't ethnically European?
Have you been there? I'd say the comparison is much more Munich/Berlin if you compare Athens/Istanbul. I haven't been there, but I hear they're similar from people that have been. Have you been there?
Eh? So you get to make exceptions when you see it fit?
Not at all. I meant to complete your "Asia" with a "Minor".

I just object the term indo-european. It should be just european....your other claims are too subjective to debate.
asia minor is in asia...

I dont approve what europeans did to people in americas. They destroyed whole cultures there...their actions were bloody and primitive...
But are u suggesting I should pay for what those people did? I should be guilty of someone else's crimes? And let my culture destroyed by immigration like thiers did?

You're not paying for anything. Cultural change is the only constant in Europe. We're not talking about thousands of years okay. We are talking about the activities of people that are still alive. Many countries weren't free from European rule until a few decades ago. Let's face it, you're problem is that you don't want dirty brown-skinned people in your country and you have as much as said so. You think Scandanavia should be a bunch of white, blonde, blue-eyed people. Unfortunately, in order to make that happen, you have to reject much of what Scandanavia is. Scandanavia is and always has been a culture that changes and mixes. You want to destroy the culture from within by rejecting the parts you don't like.

Take off the Aryan-goggles and you might find many of the arguments in this thread, the ones based on fact and not prejudice, much more convincing.

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional... I've never said I was superior than anyone else. Just different. And I want to preserve it.
/beging sarcasm Funny...since I'm the nazi, I should be the aggressive one, making falseless accusations, not an open minded wise person like you /end sarcasm
Well, culture is separate from ethnicity. I suggest you go out and meet an immigrant and introduce him or her to Norweigian ways... like herring!

I told you, it's aryan-goggles. If Aryans did it, then it's a wonderful cultural movement and if it's people with brown skin then it's a violent attempt to destroy white culture. It's not arbitrary. It's a very definitive line based on skin color.

Well, of course... remember, the 'white' expansion was at the hand of God. Manifest Destiny, and all that. Bringing culture and siphillis-ation to the darkies... that kind of thing.

The REALLY annoying thing about the argument... is that it is the worst kind of flipflopping.

If Spaniards conquer the Native American, they are 'white'... but, if they are entering 'white' America, they are 'dark'...

I just object the term indo-european. It should be just european....your other claims are too subjective to debate.
asia minor is in asia...
She uses the term Indo European because like it or not, Almost all "Europeans" are descended from Hill tribes in Northern India.

Oh. Except the Basque. My bad.

I just object the term indo-european. It should be just european....your other claims are too subjective to debate.
asia minor is in asia...Great Britain and Brittany aren't in the same place, though. They are separated by the English channel.

Well, of course... remember, the 'white' expansion was at the hand of God. Manifest Destiny, and all that. Bringing culture and siphillis-ation to the darkies... that kind of thing.

The REALLY annoying thing about the argument... is that it is the worst kind of flipflopping.

If Spaniards conquer the Native American, they are 'white'... but, if they are entering 'white' America, they are 'dark'...

I tried so hard to stay away, but I just couldn't take it anymore. His culture, the Scandanavian culture, MY culture, is a culture based on emmigration and taking the best of other cultures in order to become more successful. It's the basis of the Scandanavian culture and he acts like it's just some bit that happened a long-time ago and pretends like preserving Scandanavian culture just means preserving blond hair. It's ridiculous.

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional... I've never said I was superior than anyone else. Just different. And I want to preserve it.
/beging sarcasm Funny...since I'm the nazi, I should be the aggressive one, making falseless accusations, not an open minded wise person like you /end sarcasm
Well, I am aggressively open-minded. Except when it comes to judging the rights of people based on their hair colours. I also didn't realise that the Nazi occupation had left such an imprint on Norge, and this realization is destabilizing my worldview. I hope to get over it though.

Please explain what you mean by "falseless accusations".

You're not paying for anything. Cultural change is the only constant in Europe. We're not talking about thousands of years okay. We are talking about the activities of people that are still alive. Many countries weren't free from European rule until a few decades ago. Let's face it, you're problem is that you don't want dirty brown-skinned people in your country and you have as much as said so. You think Scandanavia should be a bunch of white, blonde, blue-eyed people. Unfortunately, in order to make that happen, you have to reject much of what Scandanavia is. Scandanavia is and always has been a culture that changes and mixes. You want to destroy the culture from within by rejecting the parts you don't like.

Take off the Aryan-goggles and you might find many of the arguments in this thread, the ones based on fact and not prejudice, much more convincing.

Am I so evil that I want to preserve ethnicity of my country? of my region? of europe?
Scandinavian culture has changed throughout history but usually, it was a very homogenious society(ies).
Instead of letting immigrants in, we should help developing countries more...

She uses the term Indo European because like it or not, Almost all "Europeans" are descended from Hill tribes in Northern India.

Oh. Except the Basque. My bad.
Erm, I hope you're not referring to me as "she"...

Am I so evil that I want to preserve ethnicity of my country? No.
of my region?Maybe. Depends on what your "region" is.
of europe?Yes.

Well, I am aggressively open-minded. Except when it comes to judging the rights of people based on their hair colours. I also didn't realise that the Nazi occupation had left such an imprint on Norge, and this realization is destabilizing my worldview. I hope to get over it though.

Please explain what you mean by "falseless accusations".

Lol...excuse my english. I meant false accusations which U implied in this post too. I'm not nazi. anti-immigrant doesnt equal nazi. If you are "aggressively open-minded" as you put it, you should listen other people's view more before labelling them...

Erm, I hope you're not referring to me as "she"...

It is 1:05am in Australia and I touch type. Evidently, I must have made a typo. Apologies. :P

I tried so hard to stay away, but I just couldn't take it anymore. His culture, the Scandanavian culture, MY culture, is a culture based on emmigration and taking the best of other cultures in order to become more successful. It's the basis of the Scandanavian culture and he acts like it's just some bit that happened a long-time ago and pretends like preserving Scandanavian culture just means preserving blond hair. It's ridiculous.

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....
Preserving your ethnicity is easy- Find a good Norweigian girl and marry her.

Preserving your culture is also very easy- Become friends with an immigrant and teach him Norweigian ways.

Trying to preserve ones' ethnicity is not so much evil as it is dumb.
Inbreeding has nwever done our world any good.

That said, I would like to come back to people telling me to go back to Indonesia while I have one (1) Indonesian ancestor. What kind of an argument is that? I can trace my lineage back to 1600, and my family has always been Frisian, so if i want to live in a third world country I'd go back there.

Well, of course... remember, the 'white' expansion was at the hand of God. Manifest Destiny, and all that. Bringing culture and siphillis-ation to the darkies... that kind of thing.

The REALLY annoying thing about the argument... is that it is the worst kind of flipflopping.

If Spaniards conquer the Native American, they are 'white'... but, if they are entering 'white' America, they are 'dark'...

Err...hand of god? Are you answering the arguments made by your invisible friend?

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....
There isn't a link between ethnicity and culture.
I mean, I would hardly say that the culture in Canada is the same as the culture in Germany, but both populations have (for the majority) the same ethnic group. Just like I'd hardly say that the chinese and japanese cultures are the same, despite the fact that they're in the same racial group...

Am I so evil that I want to preserve ethnicity of my country? of my region? of europe?
Scandinavian culture has changed throughout history but usually, it was a very homogenious society(ies).
Instead of letting immigrants in, we should help developing countries more...

Your history is seen through Aryan-goggles. There is nothing homogenous about Europeans. There's not even anything homogenous about Scandanavia.

You ignore everything we know about the history of Scandanavia and then claim that historical Scandanavian culture is what you're fighting for. You ignore that the majority of immigration in Scandanavia is from other parts of Europe by a long shot and has been. You ignore that immigration in Scandanavia is steadily dropping and has been for more than a decade. You ignore that even in the countries now in Scandanavia there isn't one culture and NEVER has been. You ignore nearly every FACT available and then act like anyone disagreeing with you is ignorant.

When told you should do a little research on the subject you act as if it's not necessary but you openly attacked people for not bringing enough to the conversation at the outset. Your Aryan-goggles are so thick that the truth looks like a pot-bellied pig to you and huge steaming pile of white supremacy BS looks like the truth to you.

Take off your glasses and open a book. Learn something about your culture, our culture, and stop listening to what pundits tell you to believe.

Lol...excuse my english. I meant false accusations which U implied in this post too. I'm not nazi. anti-immigrant doesnt equal nazi. If you are "aggressively open-minded" as you put it, you should listen other people's view more before labelling them...
I've listened. Anti-immigrant does not equal nazi, true.

Those were not false accusations, those were implications, based on what you've been saying throughout the entire thread.

besides me...just curious
I am! I say all the immigrants should go back to where they came from! That's right! Let's all go back to Africa!

She uses the term Indo European because like it or not, Almost all "Europeans" are descended from Hill tribes in Northern India.

Oh. Except the Basque. My bad.

No, their language is...

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....

I tell you to do research and your excuse is this is not a university lecture and then you call me stupid when I lay out the facts of our 'ethnicity'? Our culture and our ethnicity has always, ALWAYS been about blending with other cultures (often destroying the old cultures and simply absorbing some of their people and any customs we liked). You aren't talking about ethnicity or culture. You're talking about race.

There isn't a link between ethnicity and culture.
I mean, I would hardly say that the culture in Canada is the same as the culture in Germany, but both populations have (for the majority) the same ethnic group. Just like I'd hardly say that the chinese and japanese cultures are the same, despite the fact that they're in the same racial group...

Dont be such an idiot. Genes affect personality to degree. They effect intelligence to a degree. They affect lots of things. Different ethnicities got different genes. Some of the cultural difrences must be based on ethnicity....

Err...hand of god? Are you answering the arguments made by your invisible friend?

Um, he's an atheist. He's talking about the reasoning given at the time, my friend.

Dont be such an idiot. Genes affect personality to degree. They effect intelligence to a degree. They affect lots of things. Different ethnicities got different genes. Some of the cultural difrences must be based on ethnicity....

Are you actually trying to claim that culture is genetical??? It might help if you looked up a definition of both culture and ethnicity before embarassing yourself further.

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....I hope you're not suggesting that Bavarians have the same culture as North Germans based on ethnicity.

I'm anti-illegal immigration, but somehow I don't think that's what you meant if you support Prussian Blue ::shudders::.

My great-grandparents had to fill out all of the piles of paperwork to live here in America, so I don't see why illegal immigrants think that they can just waltz in here without filling out the paperwork. Additionally, we have huge problems with illegal immigrant populations in Nashville--because they don't have papers, they get into high-speed chases with the cops and cause bad wrecks. There's also the Mara Salvatrucha that's finally made its way into Nashville and they very recently were robbing a store and were going to kill a cashier when a man begged them not to kill her, so they shot him instead.

It's very scary ;_;. I don't feel safe going up to Nashville anymore.

I am fine with Immigration, if the asimiltae with the new culture of the country the move to. If you move to my country, learn my language and become part of ur way of life. If you dont like the country you move in, then dont move your original country.

Dont be such an idiot. Genes affect personality to degree. They effect intelligence to a degree. They affect lots of things. Different ethnicities got different genes. Some of the cultural difrences must be based on ethnicity....

Again, you are talking about race, not ethnicity. And race is not a good delineator for the things you mention. Stop listening to your Aryan friends and pick up a book. In these like paper masterpieces, you'll find that you are just as likely to find people closely genetically matched to you in Africa as you are in your home town unless you are considering people closely related to you. Your claims about genetics are based on myths.

Dont be such an idiot. Genes affect personality to degree. They effect intelligence to a degree. They affect lots of things. Different ethnicities got different genes. Some of the cultural difrences must be based on ethnicity....

No. None of them at all. The reason why those doomsday things about viruses being tailored to wipe out one specific race are all a load of tripe.

Why?

Gene differences amongst humans are so tiny that a gene that can be considered to be "unique" to, say, Chinese, will also catch out just about everyone else. There will also be some genes that a Briton and a Chinese share that the Chinese person does not share with another Chinese. The differences in Genes are really that tiny.

it's entirely a matter of culture. And culture can be taught to others, as I have said. if you want Norweigian culture to flourish, why, you should teach all newcomers about your proud icelandic heritage and Viking exploits! They too will come to accept it as their own.

I tell you to do research and your excuse is this is not a university lecture and then you call me stupid when I lay out the facts of our 'ethnicity'? Our culture and our ethnicity has always, ALWAYS been about blending with other cultures (often destroying the old cultures and simply absorbing some of their people and any customs we liked). You aren't talking about ethnicity or culture. You're talking about race.

Not really...I wouldnt want white americans becoming a majority here in norway, neither. It's more preferrable then a muslim majority but still I WOULDNT WANT it....
If you like multiculturelism, fine, go to an immigration society. You are already in one (USA) actually. But just dont try to make everyone else like yourself. Some people want to preserve thier country.
You are from usa btw? u recently immigrated there? Why do u refer scandinavia as ours?

I tried so hard to stay away, but I just couldn't take it anymore. His culture, the Scandanavian culture, MY culture, is a culture based on emmigration and taking the best of other cultures in order to become more successful. It's the basis of the Scandanavian culture and he acts like it's just some bit that happened a long-time ago and pretends like preserving Scandanavian culture just means preserving blond hair. It's ridiculous.

I refrained from mentioning that you were posting... :) Just - keep it quiet, or they'll ALL notice... :)

I wonder what the specific culture/race IS that we are supposed to be accepting as 'scandinavian'? As you say - northern European cultures assimilated in much the same way that the Roman empire did... so there IS no 'true' culture... and, it's not like all scandinavians are one visible phenotype...

No. None of them at all. The reason why those doomsday things about viruses being tailored to wipe out one specific race are all a load of tripe.

Why?

Gene differences amongst humans are so tiny that a gene that can be considered to be "unique" to, say, Chinese, will also catch out just about everyone else. There will also be some genes that a Briton and a Chinese share that the Chinese person does not share with another Chinese. The differences in Genes are really that tiny.

it's entirely a matter of culture. And culture can be taught to others, as I have said. if you want Norweigian culture to flourish, why, you should teach all newcomers about your proud icelandic heritage and Viking exploits! They too will come to accept it as their own.

gene differences between humans and monkey are soo tiny too. But we are very different.
genes affecting personality :
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/about/media/2002_09_25_guardian.html

was at first page when I googled, I'm sure u can find more....

Dont be such an idiot.
Don't call me an idiot.

Genes affect personality to degree.
Hardly. Personality is mostly environmental.

They effect intelligence to a degree.
Hardly, that's also mostly envirnmental.

They affect lots of things.
Yeah, height, skin colour, hair colour, eye colour, body morphology, tendency towards diseases et c.

Different ethnicities got different genes. Some of the cultural difrences must be based on ethnicity....
Cultural differences are based on living in different places. Not genetics. If I were to move to France tomorrow, my culture would be different, my ethnicity would be the same. If I had kids who grew up in France, they'd likely adopt french culture despite being born to a canadian with canadian culture. Culture is environmental, phenotype is genetic. Stop judging people based on their phenotype.

Not really...I wouldnt want white americans becoming a majority here in norway, neither. It's more preferrable then a muslim majority but still I WOULDNT WANT it....
If you like multiculturelism, fine, go to an immigration society. You are already in one (USA) actually. But just dont try to make everyone else like yourself. Some people want to preserve thier country.
You are from usa btw? u recently immigrated there? Why do u refer scandinavia as ours?

You're in an immigration society. That's what you're complaining about, my friend. I refer to Scandanivia as OURS because that's where my family immigrated from fairly recently. My ethnicity is absolutely and entirely Scandanavian. Our 'coutry' are battle lines made up by Kings in recent history. They weren't defined by cultural or ethnic lines, but by how much land those kings could get away with claiming and by peace treaties. Stop pretending like Norway or Scandanavia is culturally homogenous. It's not objectively true.

gene differences between humans and monkey are soo tiny too. But we are very different.
genes affecting personality :
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/about/media/2002_09_25_guardian.html

was at first page when I googled, I'm sure u can find more....

Genetic differences between humans and monkeys are not little. We have a different number of chromosomes. You just proved how thick your Aryan-goggles are.

gene differences between humans and monkey are soo tiny too. But we are very different.
genes affecting personality :
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/about/media/2002_09_25_guardian.html

was at first page when I googled, I'm sure u can find more....

yes, yes, yes, I get what you mean. I've had to explain this many times. But those genes, they're not spread across races. Any given personality gene is just as likely to be found on a person OF ANY RACE. So genes control intelligence, etc. just like you said, but they do not arrive in a person because of their race. They arrive there from their HUMANITY, which transcends race.

.....you should teach all newcomers about your proud icelandic heritage and Viking exploits! They too will come to accept it as their own.
Ahem! He/she does not have Icelandic heritage!

*hopes, while realizing own hypocracy about tolerance and openmindedness*

Are you actually trying to claim that culture is genetical??? It might help if you looked up a definition of both culture and ethnicity before embarassing yourself further.

No, please read my posts again. Culture is something all societies have. The thing is they vary. You dont have to have certain genes to have 'culture'.
But SOME differences in culture can be because of ethnicity and hence genetic.

Immigrants are not forcing you to abandon your culture. I realise some do, and they are morons and should go back to their own country. However, the vast majority are perfectly reasonable and tolerant people. If anything, it's the rabid political correctness lobby (we have them in Australia, I don't know about Norway) of your own national group which is trying to force everyone to kiss the feet of the immigrants when the immigrants couldn't care less. Again, you can practise your culture whenever you want. The immigrants do not change that.

Ahem! He/she does not have Icelandic heritage!

*hopes, while realizing own hypocracy about tolerance and openmindedness*
Hehehe, if I want to teach Japanese Culture to people (I am not Japanese, although I know a great deal of it) Why can't I? :D

Different ethnicities got different genes.
It is not proven that different ethnicities have genetic differences affecting anything else than their hair- or skincolor. From a scientific perspective this argument is pure speculation.

yes, yes, yes, I get what you mean. I've had to explain this many times. But those genes, they're not spread across races. Any given personality gene is just as likely to be found on a person OF ANY RACE. So genes control intelligence, etc. just like you said, but they do not arrive in a person because of their race. They arrive there from their HUMANITY, which transcends race.

Race differences in avarage iq are largely genetic...

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

It's just amazing how these kind of discussions are able to spiral down, from the lackluster start.

x: I'm against immigration!
abcdefg: Noob! Immigration pwns. U r st00pid.
x: But [insert more bollocks]
abcdefg: [respond in kind]

Now of course the whole 'culture is genetically determined' notion is absolute nonsense, but let's not stray too far from the ever so eloquent topic start. The topic starter is against immigration. And he/she appears to not live in my country. Thank god. That makes me against immigration as well.

No, please read my posts again. Culture is something all societies have. The thing is they vary. You dont have to have certain genes to have 'culture'.
But SOME differences in culture can be because of ethnicity and hence genetic.

Dear God,

There is nothing, NOTHING, that links ethnicity to culture. NOTHING. NO GENES, NO CULTURE, NOTHING.

If you want to preserve your genes, go make love to a Scandinavian, if you want to preserve your culture, instead of shutting people out, let them in and let them learn of it and exult in it and make it their own.

Hehehe, if I want to teach Japanese Culture to people (I am not Japanese, although I know a great deal of it) Why can't I? :D
Teaching is one thing. I shudder at the idea of having this person claiming to be 'proud carrier of the pure icelandic genepool'.....yuck

You're in an immigration society. That's what you're complaining about, my friend. I refer to Scandanivia as OURS because that's where my family immigrated from fairly recently. My ethnicity is absolutely and entirely Scandanavian. Our 'coutry' are battle lines made up by Kings in recent history. They weren't defined by cultural or ethnic lines, but by how much land those kings could get away with claiming and by peace treaties. Stop pretending like Norway or Scandanavia is culturally homogenous. It's not objectively true.

For more than a milenium, scandinavia's ethnic make up (excluding inter scandinavian moves) havent changed much...except late 20th and early 21st century....

How could anyone be? I mean, everyone who lives in the US who isn't a Native American (who were technically immigrants to the continent 10,000 or so years ago) is descended from immigrants, so to be against immigrants is ridiculous.

Now, being against illegal immigration is different; it's responsible and logical to want to preven people from entering the nation illegally if only for the sake of protecting these immigrants from abusive employers who would take advantage of their illegal status.

For more than a milenium, scandinavia's ethnic make up (excluding inter scandinavian moves) havent changed much...except late 20th and early 21st century....

hence the inbreeding

Race differences in avarage iq are largely genetic...

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

Um, you do know that study was done in America. Do you know what else was done in America for, oh, about four hundred years that might have affected the people in America. Race differences are more a result of what you're trying to do than what naturally exists. This is the fallacy of the Aryan mythology.

You claim this has nothing to do with superiority, but it has everything to do with you thinking that white people are 'superior' and wanting to keep them 'pure'.

Genetic differences between humans and monkeys are not little. We have a different number of chromosomes. You just proved how thick your Aryan-goggles are.


Looks like u need to get some facts yourself this time. Or u shouldnt deny the facts. "Now scientists have mapped the genetic blueprint of the chimpanzee, establishing that we share almost 99 per cent of functional genes and 96 per cent of our wider DNA." Looks pretty close to me...

http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAD37.htm

I am pro immigrant..Even semi-pro illegal immigrant. in fact, everyone in my town is pissed at me now, for writting in the paper how I think Americans are just stupid xenophobes, and the reason they want to put up a wall on the south border is cuz mexicans aren't white and speak a different language.

Btw my arguments dont apply to usa or canada or etc, whites arent indigenous to there. What I'm talking about is Europe. Non-european immigration to europe means the end of european culture(s).
Btw we can see what white immigration did to native americans. Their culture and civilization are destroyed and they are reduced to living in small reserves. Maybe that's what'll happen in 2100 in Norway. We'll live in our small christian/atheist reserves where sharia law doesnt apply...

I think you'll find that the widespread genocide of the Native Americans was actually the reason that their culture died out.

hence the inbreeding

/begin sarcasm Remember, I'm the anti-immigrant nazi, I should be the offensive and rude one. You are open minded. You should be politically correct /end sarcasm

Look up inbreeding.

Dear God,

There is nothing, NOTHING, that links ethnicity to culture. NOTHING. NO GENES, NO CULTURE, NOTHING.

If you want to preserve your genes, go make love to a Scandinavian, if you want to preserve your culture, instead of shutting people out, let them in and let them learn of it and exult in it and make it their own.

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.

For more than a milenium, scandinavia's ethnic make up (excluding inter scandinavian moves) havent changed much...except late 20th and early 21st century....

Really? You sure about that?

Scadanavia has been a homogenous culture for 1000 years? And this is based on what? A movement that occured in the 19th century towards nationalism? Because prior to that Scandanavian peoples considered themselves seperate tribes. Some, like the Samis, still do. Scandanavia is not a homogenous culture, nor a stagnant culture. It's a geographical region that has had some commonalities among it's people, but has been mostly fluid in culture, race and ethnicity for millennia.

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.

The only way you can live in a mono-cultural society is to wall yourself up in a soundproof concrete box.

How could anyone be? I mean, everyone who lives in the US who isn't a Native American (who were technically immigrants to the continent 10,000 or so years ago) is descended from immigrants, so to be against immigrants is ridiculous.

Now, being against illegal immigration is different; it's responsible and logical to want to preven people from entering the nation illegally if only for the sake of protecting these immigrants from abusive employers who would take advantage of their illegal status.

DUH! I dont live in USA. Read my previous post about what I think of oppression of native americans....

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.

You know, the thing about society is, you don't get to decide what it does and what it doesn't do. The majority of people forming said society do.
So, if you want to live in a mono-cultural society, I suggest you find like-minded people and go found one.

The only way you can live in a mono-cultural society is to wall yourself up in a soundproof concrete box.
A good point, that.
Perhaps the Life of a Hermit is for you, Mr Nordland?

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.

Other cultures don't offer me anything of interest. I don't even eat their food. I stick to American food, like pizza, raviloi, and burritos.

The only way you can live in a mono-cultural society is to wall yourself up in a soundproof concrete box.

That would be nice!!
Then we wouldn't have to listen to mister nazi-talking-points here anymore.

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.Teehee. Mono-cultural society. You are aware that culture isn't limited to ethnicities, but also differs according to age groups or income? Your dream isn't possible.

Looks like u need to get some facts yourself this time. Or u shouldnt deny the facts. "Now scientists have mapped the genetic blueprint of the chimpanzee, establishing that we share almost 99 per cent of functional genes and 96 per cent of our wider DNA." Looks pretty close to me...

http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAD37.htm

Pretty much wrong on every count.

Are chimpanzees monkeys? Nope.

Is 99% even remotely close the similarity that all humans share? Nope. Not by a few degrees of 10.

Do Chimpanzees and humans have the same number of chromosomes? Nope.

Despite the similarities, a different number of chromosomes is a pretty big difference. Monumental really. It's the reason why we can't have viable offspring.

I dont ok? I want to live in mono-cultural society. If you dont agree with me there's plenty of immigration societies on earth.

You don't live in a mono-cultural society now. I challenge you to show when Norway was EVER mono-cultural.

It may be completely irrelevant but I thought it'd be cool to note that humans share about 50% of their DNA with Amoeba.

Cool, huh? :D

Really? You sure about that?

Scadanavia has been a homogenous culture for 1000 years? And this is based on what? A movement that occured in the 19th century towards nationalism? Because prior to that Scandanavian peoples considered themselves seperate tribes. Some, like the Samis, still do. Scandanavia is not a homogenous culture, nor a stagnant culture. It's a geographical region that has had some commonalities among it's people, but has been mostly fluid in culture, race and ethnicity for millennia.

You are american. Dont tell me what we are and what we arent. Fluid in race? are u that ignorant? Scandinavia hasnt received non-scandinavian immigration (except late couple decades of course) in significant numbers more than a millenia.
I dont care what u do in USA, melting pot or stuff but it's not your bussiness what we do here.

DUH! I dont live in USA. Read my previous post about what I think of oppression of native americans....

Unless you're a member of the Sami people you're technically an immigrant because the Nordic/Germanic peoples migrated to that region during the Iron, Dark, and Middle Ages.

You know, the thing about society is, you don't get to decide what it does and what it doesn't do. The majority of people forming said society do.
So, if you want to live in a mono-cultural society, I suggest you find like-minded people and go found one.

I'm sure everyone would declare war on us....Look at the prejudice on this thread....

/begin sarcasm Remember, I'm the anti-immigrant nazi, I should be the offensive and rude one. You are open minded. You should be politically correct /end sarcasm

Look up inbreeding.
Already did. So?

Unless you're a member of the Sami people you're technically an immigrant because the Nordic/Germanic peoples migrated to that region during the Iron, Dark, and Middle Ages.

Really? Sami immigrated from siberia too...

I'm sure everyone would declare war on us....Look at the prejudice on this thread....

No, I'm sure everyone would leave you pretty much alone, as long as you don't get involved. Look at Buthan, or even Switzerland.

Already did. So?

Do I need to tell u, why breeding between scandinavians isnt inbreeding, like explaining it to a 4 year old?

You are american. Dont tell me what we are and what we arent. Fluid in race? are u that ignorant? Scandinavia hasnt received non-scandinavian immigration (except late couple decades of course) in significant numbers more than a millenia.

That's false. Do the research. You clearly don't know anything about the history of Scandanavia. I love how you keep making these claims with not a lick of evidence to support your point. What is homogenous about Samis and you?

I dont care what u do in USA, melting pot or stuff but it's not your bussiness what we do here.
My family lives there. It's most certainly my business. Meanwhile, you made it everyone's business when you posted a thread about it. I love the last bastions of ignorance. You start with unsubstantiated claims. Then you move to posting evidence that does not actually support your point. Then you move, well, it's none of your business.

If you didn't want the opinion of others on the matter, why did you post a thread? What did you expect? That we were all going to go, "You go, Aryan brother!"

You've proven in this thread beyond all doubt that you don't know what a monkey is, what Scandanavia culture is or has done throughout history, what race is, what ethnicity is, what culture is, what immigration is and has occurred in Scandanavia throughout time. Perhaps you can call the lot of us idiots again, and then we'll really be convinced.

Looks like u need to get some facts yourself this time. Or u shouldnt deny the facts. "Now scientists have mapped the genetic blueprint of the chimpanzee, establishing that we share almost 99 per cent of functional genes and 96 per cent of our wider DNA." Looks pretty close to me...

http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAD37.htm

You are missing something fundamental.

We share the same basic building blocks of DNA with just about everything that isn't a rock... there are only so many 'building blocks'... but it's HOW those things are collected together that is important.

It's all very well saying Animal A and Animal B share common DNA combinations... but what if they have a different number of chromosomes? Is that a 'small' difference?

That would be nice!!
Then we wouldn't have to listen to mister nazi-talking-points here anymore.

Anyone forcing u to read this thread?

-snip-
Ah, we all knew you couldn't stay away for that long. :p

I'm sure everyone would declare war on us....Look at the prejudice on this thread....

Traditionally, it's the mono-cultural/cultural superiority folks that do the aggressive warmongering. Multi-culturalists are generally content to simply allow people of other cultures to join our societies at their whim.

Ah, we all knew you couldn't stay away for that long. :p
Shut up! This kid sitting here and making false claims and then calling everyone ignorant and stupid got me riled. Aryan-goggles. They are powerful, no?

You are missing something fundamental.

We share the same basic building blocks of DNA with just about everything that isn't a rock... there are only so many 'building blocks'... but it's HOW those things are collected together that is important.

It's all very well saying Animal A and Animal B share common DNA combinations... but what if they have a different number of chromosomes? Is that a 'small' difference?

Did you also notice that he called chimpanzees monkeys? The guy doesn't even know what part of the animal kingdom he's talking about.

Shut up! This kid sitting here and making false claims and then calling everyone ignorant and stupid got me riled. Aryan-goggles. They are powerful, no?
Ah, ok. Welcome back anyway. ;)

Did you also notice that he called chimpanzees monkeys? The guy doesn't even know what part of the animal kingdom he's talking about.

I'm not entirely sure the whole thing isn't just a big 'troll-fest'...

You are missing something fundamental.

We share the same basic building blocks of DNA with just about everything that isn't a rock... there are only so many 'building blocks'... but it's HOW those things are collected together that is important.

It's all very well saying Animal A and Animal B share common DNA combinations... but what if they have a different number of chromosomes? Is that a 'small' difference?

genetically speaking, the difference between humans and monkeys are very tiny. period. Dont try to deny facts to suit it 'we are all one' propoganda....(ex: humans are genetically very close, we must be all same, 1 world 1 race, etc...)

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s."

http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/aaa/marksaaa99.htm

What do you think of Norway when u hear it? if anything? What'll Norway be like with majority non-ethnic-norwegian/scandinavian population? Maybe it'll be even a better place, who knows? But we can all agree that it'd be very different. That difference means the destruction of norwegian culture, in my mind. And I dont want that happening...

Because the loss of Norwegian "culture" would be such a great loss...

genetically speaking, the difference between humans and monkeys are very tiny. period. Dont try to deny facts to suit it 'we are all one' propoganda....(ex: humans are genetically very close, we must be all same, 1 world 1 race, etc...)

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s."

http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/aaa/marksaaa99.htm

This advances your argument how...?

Because the loss of Norwegian "culture" would be such a great loss...
Naah he doesn't give a rat's arse about culture. He just wants his race to be the same.

To which all I can say is have sex with more Norweigians.

No. Nobody is forcing me to read this thread. But I'm forced to share my world with people that think like you, and I would love it if all you 14-worders would start living in a big concrete box. Or maybe just take your damn Norway, and share it with all the other whiter-than-thou's. Just don't poison the world with your stupidity anymore, please?

Also, for someone so involved in his culture, you seem to know so preciously little about it, please cite some sources next time you make broad sweeping generalizations, K?

I'm not entirely sure the whole thing isn't just a big 'troll-fest'...

Now u and people like u are REDUCED to simple name calling and pointing to small mistakes?
I didnt say chimp because it's hard to pronounciate, and english isnt my native tongue....the main thing was to get u my point....

Tbh, I live in england, and every time I go out, I am angered by the amount of foreign nationals in town. Im not a racist, but there must be a block on how many people can come into our country. Places like birmingham etc are now almost entirely all-black, and in the end th\t does anger me, and makes me anti immigrant

This advances your argument how...?

the fact that humans are genetically very close doesnt mean we can deny the differences between ethnicities....
it was a counterargument to yours, did u forget?

genetically speaking, the difference between humans and monkeys are very tiny. period. Dont try to deny facts to suit it 'we are all one' propoganda....(ex: humans are genetically very close, we must be all same, 1 world 1 race, etc...)

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s."

http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/aaa/marksaaa99.htm

Bullshit, my friend.

4% difference in DNA functionality is way more than enough to make the two forms incapable of breeding. Even a single percentage of difference in the 'functional' DNA is enough to make interbreeding impossible.

As I said - it is all in the ARRANGEMENT of the 'code'... for example, the reason why we use pigs as the likely candidates for animal/human transplanting... they are actually a better 'genetic' match than our 'nearest' neighbours in the primate family.

I'd recommend you pick up a basic genetics primer.

Tbh, I live in england, and every time I go out, I am angered by the amount of foreign nationals in town. Im not a racist, but there must be a block on how many people can come into our country. Places like birmingham etc are now almost entirely all-black, and in the end th\t does anger me, and makes me anti immigrant

So you ARE a racist. Don't be shy, we all have our faults.

Tbh, I live in england, and every time I go out, I am angered by the amount of foreign nationals in town. Im not a racist, but there must be a block on how many people can come into our country. Places like birmingham etc are now almost entirely all-black, and in the end th\t does anger me, and makes me anti immigrant

Come on. Say it again. Say it again and let the implications flow through your head.

Then you will realise how much of a prize dill you just sounded like.

Because the loss of Norwegian "culture" would be such a great loss...

LOL....
seriously, loss of ANY culture would be bad. The more cultures on earth, the more diversity on PLANET and richness of all humanity...

Now u and people like u are REDUCED to simple name calling and pointing to small mistakes?
I didnt say chimp because it's hard to pronounciate, and english isnt my native tongue....the main thing was to get u my point....

'Troll' is not an insult... read the forum rules.

Trolling is the action of creating comments or threads purely for inflammatory function.... as this thread seems to be, and as some of your comments seem to be.

Bullshit, my friend.

4% difference in DNA functionality is way more than enough to make the two forms incapable of breeding. Even a single percentage of difference in the 'functional' DNA is enough to make interbreeding impossible.

As I said - it is all in the ARRANGEMENT of the 'code'... for example, the reason why we use pigs as the likely candidates for animal/human transplanting... they are actually a better 'genetic' match than our 'nearest' neighbours in the primate family.

I'd recommend you pick up a basic genetics primer.

CANT U READ???

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s." THIS IS A QUOTE

the fact that humans are genetically very close doesnt mean we can deny the differences between ethnicities....
it was a counterargument to yours, did u forget?

What differences? Genetic? Because like I said, there aren't any. Seriously. Any gene in a human of a specific race can and is shared by a human in another race.

Hence there is not a viable enough genetic difference to say races are different each other genetically.

Wanna talk appearance? OK, maybe you have a case there. But it's all skin deep.

And since you no longer talk about Culture, you're not a person who takes pride in his heritage, you're simply a racist. There's unfortunately no other word to describe it.

Being anti-immigrant is pretty arrogant.

It's saying 'Me and my people are better and more worthy to live in this country than anybody else.'

You can't be anti-immigrant without implicitly telling billions of people 'I am superior to you'.

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There are certainly differences between ethnicities, but those are *average* differences. If you think that the average differences between ethnicities applies to every single member of that ethnicity, then...you think Yao Ming is 5' 3".

Tbh, I live in england, and every time I go out, I am angered by the amount of foreign nationals in town. Im not a racist, but there must be a block on how many people can come into our country. Places like birmingham etc are now almost entirely all-black, and in the end th\t does anger me, and makes me anti immigrant

I lived in Leicester, which is now less than 50% 'white'. I never saw that as a bad thing.

Now I live in Georgia, with a pronounced 'white' bias, and you can't get a decent Chinese or Indian meal, anywhere.

Bring on the immigrants, I say.

LOL....
seriously, loss of ANY culture would be bad. The more cultures on earth, the more diversity on PLANET and richness of all humanity...

The thing is, Norway doesn't have a culture, unless you count lutefisk, lusekoftor and, yeah, well, that's pretty much it, and it doesn't actually count, anyway. You should first get a culture before you start worrying about losing it. Ironically, the first step to losing a culture is isolating it from outside influence.

Bullshit, my friend.

4% difference in DNA functionality is way more than enough to make the two forms incapable of breeding. Even a single percentage of difference in the 'functional' DNA is enough to make interbreeding impossible.


That question has not been answered. Do you know of it being attempted? If somebody tried a lab experiment just to see if it was possible you know full well the Religious community would go beserk.


As I said - it is all in the ARRANGEMENT of the 'code'... for example, the reason why we use pigs as the likely candidates for animal/human transplanting... they are actually a better 'genetic' match than our 'nearest' neighbours in the primate family.


Depends on what it used. Ever compare a chimp heart and a human heart. It can be hard to distinguish.....

That's false. Do the research. You clearly don't know anything about the history of Scandanavia. I love how you keep making these claims with not a lick of evidence to support your point. What is homogenous about Samis and you?


My family lives there. It's most certainly my business. Meanwhile, you made it everyone's business when you posted a thread about it. I love the last bastions of ignorance. You start with unsubstantiated claims. Then you move to posting evidence that does not actually support your point. Then you move, well, it's none of your business.

If you didn't want the opinion of others on the matter, why did you post a thread? What did you expect? That we were all going to go, "You go, Aryan brother!"

You've proven in this thread beyond all doubt that you don't know what a monkey is, what Scandanavia culture is or has done throughout history, what race is, what ethnicity is, what culture is, what immigration is and has occurred in Scandanavia throughout time. Perhaps you can call the lot of us idiots again, and then we'll really be convinced.

Are u a malfunctioning cassette, saying things over and over?
U call me ignorant all the time. I didnt show any evidence? What about the links?
what about your evidence? WHOOO immigrated to scandinavia in large numbers in 1000 years (excluding recent couple decades) ?

What differences? Genetic? Because like I said, there aren't any. Seriously. Any gene in a human of a specific race can and is shared by a human in another race.

Hence there is not a viable enough genetic difference to say races are different each other genetically.

Wanna talk appearance? OK, maybe you have a case there. But it's all skin deep.

And since you no longer talk about Culture, you're not a person who takes pride in his heritage, you're simply a racist. There's unfortunately no other word to describe it.

u are reduced to name calling too? u were saying intelligence has nothing to do with race? YOU WERE WRONG
"Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic"
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

Are u a malfunctioning cassette, saying things over and over?
U call me ignorant all the time. I didnt show any evidence? What about the links?
what about your evidence? WHOOO immigrated to scandinavia in large numbers in 1000 years (excluding recent couple decades) ?

Do the Danes count? If they do, then yes, they did a lot of moving around, annexing Sweden, Norway, etc.

Because if not, Yes, there are multiple incursions of Germans into Finland, Russia, and Denmark during the middle ages, from about 1400. Livonia was a Danish colony comprising of the current states of Lithuania, Latvia, etc.

The 1860s Danish/Prussian war was a result of a long and complex issue between Denmark and Germany in which German settlers in Denmark forced a war between the two nations.

Traditionally, it's the mono-cultural/cultural superiority folks that do the aggressive warmongering. Multi-culturalists are generally content to simply allow people of other cultures to join our societies at their whim.

Which is more agressive?
I just want my country to be left alone vs accept immigrants and prepare to be overrun

That question has not been answered. Do you know of it being attempted? If somebody tried a lab experiment just to see if it was possible you know full well the Religious community would go beserk.

IIRC, the Soviets tried something like that back in the 60s, impregnating a human egg with ape sperm, but it didn´t work.

u are reduced to name calling too? u were saying intelligence has nothing to do with race? YOU WERE WRONG
"Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic"
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

I'm not name calling, I am calling it by the definition of a racist- "Someone who believes in discrimination by the basis of race."

It's the value neutral version.

Do the Danes count? If they do, then yes, they did a lot of moving around, annexing Sweden, Norway, etc.

Because if not, Yes, there are multiple incursions of Germans into Finland, Russia, and Denmark during the middle ages, from about 1400. Livonia was a Danish colony comprising of the current states of Lithuania, Latvia, etc.

The 1860s Danish/Prussian war was a result of a long and complex issue between Denmark and Germany in which German settlers in Denmark forced a war between the two nations.

Inter scandinavian movement doesnt count...No mass german or russian movement to scandinavia during these period. Holstein today belongs to germany and so does german slesvig....

Ny Nordland: Do you ever listen to people? It's a sad thing when a man holds his own convictions so dear as to prevent him from thinking. You're locked in an infinite downward spiral of circular logic, man. Get off of this mental train to Hell. /fundie hippie.

I'm not name calling, I am calling it by the definition of a racist- "Someone who believes in discrimination by the basis of race."

It's the value neutral version.

It's a too wide concept....when u say blacks are good at sports, u are being racist too then...

Which is more agressive?
I just want my country to be left alone vs accept immigrants and prepare to be overrun

Who sold you said country, so that it´s yours?

The thing is, Norway doesn't have a culture, unless you count lutefisk, lusekoftor and, yeah, well, that's pretty much it, and it doesn't actually count, anyway. You should first get a culture before you start worrying about losing it. Ironically, the first step to losing a culture is isolating it from outside influence.

Dont be silly...all countries have cultures...the fact that our culture is so close to sweden doesnt mean we dont have 1....

Who sold you said country, so that it´s yours?

very intelligent argument, u shake me to core...

Whoa, lots of "U"s abound.
Considering that just about anyone waltzed through what is now Germany during the ages and often settled here, i am sure that without immigration the genetic code of what made up us aryans would be pretty different and our culture a lot less diverse. So i am pretty open to immigration.

It's a too wide concept....when u say blacks are good at sports, u are being racist too then...

Yes, because you are generalizing a group based on race. That's racist.

u are reduced to name calling too? u were saying intelligence has nothing to do with race? YOU WERE WRONG
"Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic"
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

That's a really interesting study, actually. However, it does state that these are averages. That means there are clever and dumb people, just like I stated in my own argument- There is insufficient difference in genetic differences to single out a single person of a race as "Dumber" than a person of another race.

Let's say there's a "dumb" gene. It applies to, say, 50% of a race. 50% of that race do not have that gene and are more intelligent. Already I have proven my point, because there is no universal "Dumb" gene across the members of any given race.

CANT U READ???

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s." THIS IS A QUOTE

Yes - but you don't understand what that MEANS.

Sure, we're similar... more similar to apes than we are to bananas, anyway.

But that doesn't make us even close to the same.

"Regional variation in nucleotide substitution rates is conserved between the hominid and murid genomes, but rates in subtelomeric regions are disproportionately elevated in the hominids".

"There are notable differences in the rate of transposable element insertions: short interspersed elements (SINEs) have been threefold more active in humans, whereas chimpanzees have acquired two new families of retroviral elements".

"Orthologous proteins in human and chimpanzee are extremely similar, with 29% being identical and the typical orthologue differing by only two amino acids, one per lineage".

"The normalized rates of amino-acid-altering substitutions in the hominid lineages are elevated relative to the murid lineages, but close to that seen for common human polymorphisms, implying that positive selection during hominid evolution accounts for a smaller fraction of protein divergence than suggested in some previous reports".

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html

Yes - we are similar. But, even 'similar' is a HELL of a big difference.

genetically speaking, the difference between humans and monkeys are very tiny. period. Dont try to deny facts to suit it 'we are all one' propoganda....(ex: humans are genetically very close, we must be all same, 1 world 1 race, etc...)

"In fact, however, the overwhelming genetic similarity between human and apes was known in the 1920s."

http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/aaa/marksaaa99.htm
The overwhelming genetic similarity is compared to other animals, not compared to other humans, which is the point you are trying to gloss over. The difference between me and a chimp and me and other humans is exponentially different. The level of difference is not comparable, and you're trying to pretend like it is.

I didnt say chimp because it's hard to pronounciate, and english isnt my native tongue....the main thing was to get u my point....
They aren't monkeys. They are apes. Is ape harder to pronounce than monkey.

Now u and people like u are REDUCED to simple name calling and pointing to small mistakes?

Hmmmm....

Very smart yourself (!)...I can tell by your argument...

Do I? hmmm, maybe u are delusional?...I

Dont be such an idiot...

The display of your intelligence is more amusing...

Can u be this blind? Maybe it's media brain washing? Maybe it's because u simply cant think originally and repeat what majority says...ex: multi culturilism is good....

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional...

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....

(interesting how you calm me stupid in a post where you misspell liar)

Err...hand of god? Are you answering the arguments made by your invisible friend?

(An attempt to insult an atheist because he listed the actual reasons given for European expansion)

Dont be such an idiot.

Interesting how someone points out that you appear to be trolling and your response is to claim their 'name-calling' is evidence of a weak argument. If so, what level of evidence would you call the above?

It's a too wide concept....when u say blacks are good at sports, u are being racist too then...
Yes.

But I don't say Blacks, as a race, are good at sports.

I say Beyonce Knowles is one hot momma. :D

No. Nobody is forcing me to read this thread. But I'm forced to share my world with people that think like you, and I would love it if all you 14-worders would start living in a big concrete box. Or maybe just take your damn Norway, and share it with all the other whiter-than-thou's. Just don't poison the world with your stupidity anymore, please?

Also, for someone so involved in his culture, you seem to know so preciously little about it, please cite some sources next time you make broad sweeping generalizations, K?

I dont regard my views as poison. I dont support anything violent. If u dont want to read my views, then dont read the thread...

very intelligent argument, u shake me to core...

It´s what I call a question - how come this is 'your' country?

IIRC, the Soviets tried something like that back in the 60s, impregnating a human egg with ape sperm, but it didn´t work.

Hmmm? Damn you! Now I have to hunt for it as this would be of interest to me! ;)

If you have any ideas where you think you saw that, do let me know.....

Inter scandinavian movement doesnt count...No mass german or russian movement to scandinavia during these period. Holstein today belongs to germany and so does german slesvig....

Well, I don't see how the German invasion of Livonia in the late middle ages can't NOT be considered a mass immigration to Scandinavia! Not to mention Russian interference with Finland, AND the Schleswig Holstein affair, because Denmark claimed its lands as part of Denmark!

Ny Nordland: Do you ever listen to people? It's a sad thing when a man holds his own convictions so dear as to prevent him from thinking. You're locked in an infinite downward spiral of circular logic, man. Get off of this mental train to Hell. /fundie hippie.

Funny I can say the same thing about you. But we might agree to disagree. You can live in a multicultural society and I can work to make mine mono-cultural....

Dont be silly...all countries have cultures...the fact that our culture is so close to sweden doesnt mean we dont have 1....

Sweden barely has a culture. Norway lacks even the shred we can claim to have. And we would have lost it a long time ago if he had done what xenophobes like you want. The thought of having no pizza or naan bread or sushi, and being forced to resort to rotten fish and unsatisfying meatballs are depressing enough to make me want to adopt two full-grown Vietnamese, and maybe an Iraqi midget chef.

So, umm, you're quite stupid for being "anti-immigrant." Verkligen, och sannerligen dum i huvudet.

Whoa, lots of "U"s abound.

Maybe he likes sheep? Badumpcrash! :p

That's a really interesting study, actually. However, it does state that these are averages. That means there are clever and dumb people, just like I stated in my own argument- There is insufficient difference in genetic differences to single out a single person of a race as "Dumber" than a person of another race.

Let's say there's a "dumb" gene. It applies to, say, 50% of a race. 50% of that race do not have that gene and are more intelligent. Already I have proven my point, because there is no universal "Dumb" gene across the members of any given race.

THE POINT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RACES.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ETHNICITIES....

Are u a malfunctioning cassette, saying things over and over?
U call me ignorant all the time. I didnt show any evidence? What about the links?
what about your evidence? WHOOO immigrated to scandinavia in large numbers in 1000 years (excluding recent couple decades) ?

I didn't call you ignorant. I suggested that you actually research these topics.

Your links are only remotely linked to the subject and do not support your points. You post a link about apes to show the similarities of monkeys and humans and then insulted me while posting it. You claim that the similarity between monkeys and humans is even remotely similar to cross-ethnic genetic similarities and use a link about apes to prove it which demonstrates neither point. You claim that Norwegians have remained mainly culturally and ethnically the same (though you don't count Samis which have been the most static cultural group in Scandanavia), but you ignore all evidence of movement within and without Europe throughout the last millennia, particularly the fact that even without movement one can't compare the culture of 1000 years ago to today.

Who? Hmmm....how about the group you call Scandanavians? Most of them only began settling there 1000 years ago.

besides me...just curious
Fredrick Douglas:
"Our old employments by which we have been accustomed to gain a livelihood are gradually slipping from our hands: Every hour sees us elbowed out of some employment to make room for some newly arrived emigrant from the Emerald Isle, whose hunger and color entitle him to special favor," Douglass wrote. "These white men are becoming house servants, cooks, stewards, waiters and flunkies."
Booker T washington:
In his famous "Atlanta Exposition Address" of 1895, Booker T. Washington, the founder of Tuskegee Institute, took on the same subject, calling on white Southerners "who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South" to turn instead to native-born blacks for their workforce. "Cast down your bucket among these people," Washington pleaded, "who have tilled your fields, cleared your forests, builded your railroads and cities."
And Cesar Chavez:
In his prime, Chavez fought constantly against illegal immigration. He frequently complained that the Immigration & Naturalization Service wasn't tough enough. When Chavez would lead a strike, the grower would send trucks across the Mexican border, load them up with scabs, and race back to the Central Valley in the dead of night. Chavez even offered his UFW staffers to the INS to serve as volunteer border guards to keep Mexicans from sneaking into California. As Ruben Navarrette Jr. reported in the Arizona Republic: (8/31/97)

"Cesar Chavez, a labor leader intent on protecting union membership, was as effective a surrogate for the INS as ever existed. Indeed, Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union he headed routinely reported, to the INS, for deportation, suspected illegal immigrants who served as strikebreakers or refused to unionize."

THE POINT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RACES.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ETHNICITIES....

YET YOU KEEP POSTING LINKS ABOUT RACES AND NOT ETHNICITIES?

Race differences in avarage iq are largely genetic...

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

Rushton and Jensen have been pushing this theory for years, which of course doesn't make it correct... it is just a theory.

They fail to note that while under threes have not been directly affected by the education system they have been indirectly affected, insomuch as their parents educational level will determine the amount of pre-school learning acquired.

Intelligent (i.e. well schooled) parents tend to educate their children before school more effectively than unintelligent (i.e. poorly educated) parents. Therefore the potential for intelligence is moderated by their environment not genetics.

In addition the tests Jensen et al used to determine their 'evidence' are based on the traditional IQ tests which are only relevant in a western contextual setting, the further removed your native culture is from the 'western ideal' the poorer you will do on these tests. Which sort of destroys the south african 'evidence' they use.

Invariably when this theory is outed, the corresponding studies that show how physically superior other races are in comparison to 'whites' are rarely mentioned... having said that, they are based on flawed research too.

You really shouldn't fear immigration, England has coped quite well, we managed to avoid absorbing Scandinavian culture after waves of nordic immigrants decided to settle here, even though a couple of their words made it into the English language... yet we remained English. More recent waves of immigrants have adopted English culture also, while retaining their individuality.

The concept 'scandinavian culture' is a bit confusing though... do you mean Danish, Norwegian, Swedish or Finnish culture? I understood they were all distinct, not to mention Icelandic, Baltic German etc, who I believe all consider themselves 'scandinavian' as do the inhabitants of the Isle of Man, the Faroes and Lapland... as I'm sure do others.

The concept of scandinavian culture is a fallacy, as is 'British' culture. Seperate nations develop their own idiosynchratic customs as do regions within countries, I sincerely doubt Southern Norway has the exact same traditions and customs as the North.

Most 'theories' pertaining to 'cultural' and 'racial' differences are based on pseudo-scientific research at best, and 'racial superiority' vomit at their worst.

Yes - but you don't understand what that MEANS.

Sure, we're similar... more similar to apes than we are to bananas, anyway.

But that doesn't make us even close to the same.



http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html

Yes - we are similar. But, even 'similar' is a HELL of a big difference.

Exactly my point...Humans are smilar but there are big diffences between diffrent ethnic groups...

I dont regard my views as poison. I dont support anything violent. If u dont want to read my views, then dont read the thread...

If you don't want me to react to your views, don't start thwe thread. This is a public forum, so if the public decides you deserve nothing but ridicule, ridicule is what you're going to get. If you can't stand the heat get out of the question.

Why are you so afraid your culture is going to lose the 'culture-clash?' Is it that weak? Or boring? What do you think happens when cultures merge? Can you answer even one question without resorting to logical fallacies or personal insults? We'll see on the next episode of "I'm not a racist, I just hate foreigners!"

Sweden barely has a culture. Norway lacks even the shred we can claim to have. And we would have lost it a long time ago if he had done what xenophobes like you want. The thought of having no pizza or naan bread or sushi, and being forced to resort to rotten fish and unsatisfying meatballs are depressing enough to make me want to adopt two full-grown Vietnamese, and maybe an Iraqi midget chef.

So, umm, you're quite stupid for being "anti-immigrant." Verkligen, och sannerligen dum i huvudet.Fass, if he hates the idea of forks, let him ;)

Maybe he likes sheep? Badumpcrash! :p

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?

I dont regard my views as poison. I dont support anything violent. If u dont want to read my views, then dont read the thread...
If you cant live with criticism, dont post your views in a public forum, fuckwit.
Obviously, this guy (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/c/player/228872_OWOMOYELA_Patrick.html) could never be part of a central european culture, eh?

YET YOU KEEP POSTING LINKS ABOUT RACES AND NOT ETHNICITIES?

smilar logic...do u have to look dumb just to try to challenge me?

We COULD just settle it all over a pint, right?

And no warm beer! *stares darkly at Englishmen*

Anyway that's it for me today...I'll answer you later...

Funny I can say the same thing about you. But we might agree to disagree. You can live in a multicultural society and I can work to make mine mono-cultural....

You could say that, but you would be wrong. If you could show me one shred of proof about just one of the thing you've said in this thread in favour of mono-culturalism, I might be inclined to listen to you. As it stands now, I'm going to write you of as a successful troll.

THE POINT IS THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RACES.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ETHNICITIES....
There are. But unimportant. In fact, anthropologist don't use the term "race" anymore, since the differences are so gradual, that there's no real, clear line dividing them. It makes no sense to divide the human race into further races.

There are differences between groups, but so small that individual differences always account for more than the group genetics.

Exactly my point...Humans are smilar but there are big diffences between diffrent ethnic groups...

You still fail to see it. The 'similarity' to apes you mention( A-P-E-S) is a vast difference especially in comparison to the similarity when comparing humans to humans of a different ethnicity.

Would you argue that a chihuahua is less similar to a poodle than it is to a hyena? Of course not. Meanwhile, the difference between breeds of dogs is exponentially larger than the difference between races of humans.

WHOOO immigrated to scandinavia in large numbers in 1000 years (excluding recent couple decades) ?

Look, someone who knows nothing about the Hansa period, nor about the Walloons.

smilar logic...do u have to look dumb just to try to challenge me?

No, it isn't. That's the problem. Race and ethnicity is not the same thing. Ethnicity and culture are not the same thing. You keep mixing these terms. Even if you go to most delineated of the three, race, there is still very little evidence that it even exists.

That question has not been answered. Do you know of it being attempted? If somebody tried a lab experiment just to see if it was possible you know full well the Religious community would go beserk.


A four percent difference is plenty, I'd imagine.

Even closely related lines, like Ovine and Caprine stock, do not yeild functional young. (They might produce some shortlived products, but not capable of making it to maturity, or breeding).

Specific to human-ape crossbreeding, however... there is a problem in matching material.... the human second chromosome is, effectively, a product of translocation, and, in order to combine with chimp DNA, that translocated element would have to 'break off' at the former 'end point'. Which is fine, if unlikely - except that the 'broken' human string would only yeild one centromere (the part needed on each chromosome, for material combine)... the other half of the string would be 'junk'.

So - the cell would die.

I'm not saying human/chimp crossbreeding is TOTALLY impossible... but I'd want pretty good evidence before I accepted it.

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?Did ewe understand the joke?

Tbh, I live in england, and every time I go out, I am angered by the amount of foreign nationals in town. Im not a racist, but there must be a block on how many people can come into our country. Places like birmingham etc are now almost entirely all-black, and in the end th\t does anger me, and makes me anti immigrant

Foreign nationals and black people are not the same thing.


EDIT: ...it is the pretty close to the Black Country after all...

Sweden barely has a culture. Norway lacks even the shred we can claim to have. And we would have lost it a long time ago if he had done what xenophobes like you want. The thought of having no pizza or naan bread or sushi, and being forced to resort to rotten fish and unsatisfying meatballs are depressing enough to make me want to adopt two full-grown Vietnamese, and maybe an Iraqi midget chef.

So, umm, you're quite stupid for being "anti-immigrant." Verkligen, och sannerligen dum i huvudet.

No country lives in a vacuum. By mono-culture I dont mean keeping pizzas out. I'm talking about immigrants. quite stupid for being "anti-immigrant."? Read it again. If u cant see how lame and cliché that comment was...well

Just couldnt help myself but answer this one...

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?

Hmmm... insults are designed to hide stupidity? That's your theory. My reply is this -

Very smart yourself (!)...I can tell by your argument...

Do I? hmmm, maybe u are delusional?...I

Dont be such an idiot...

The display of your intelligence is more amusing...

Can u be this blind? Maybe it's media brain washing? Maybe it's because u simply cant think originally and repeat what majority says...ex: multi culturilism is good....

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional...

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....

Err...hand of god? Are you answering the arguments made by your invisible friend?

Dont be such an idiot.

smilar logic...do u have to look dumb just to try to challenge me?

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?

If insults are an effort to hide stupidity as you hypothesize, what would you say about your liberal use of them throughout this thread?

Exactly my point...Humans are smilar but there are big diffences between diffrent ethnic groups...

Based on the difference between humans and apes? That's your argument?

As to differences between ethnic groups - if you mean GENETIC, then the difference WITHIN any given 'ethnic group', is FAR greater than the averaged difference BETWEEN two 'ethnic groups'.

No country lives in a vacuum. By mono-culture I dont mean keeping pizzas out. I'm talking about immigrants. quite stupid for being "anti-immigrant."? Read it again. If u cant see how lame and cliché that comment was...well

Just couldnt help myself but answer this one...

There's a reason it's a cliché, and that's becuase it's true. It really is really, really stupid of you. There is no other way to put it. Dumt. Så urbota dumt. Korkat, till och med!

Oh, you've yet to explain the Walloons and the Hansa period.

please try to type out 'you.' This u thing is grating on my nerves. I know English is not your first language, but at least try to make some effort, K?

Look, someone who knows nothing about the Hansa period, nor about the Walloons.

Shhhhhhh... you're scratching his Aryan-goggles. You'll notice he has to limit his arguments to very specific periods and to very specific people, because even if he doesn't know about the migration you're talking about, he still knows that a homogenous Scandanavian culture does not and never has existed.

Shhhhhhh... you're scratching his Aryan-goggles. You'll notice he has to limit his arguments to very specific periods and to very specific people, because even if he doesn't know about the migration you're talking about, he still knows that a homogenous Scandanavian culture does not and never has existed.

I'd phrase that as "Scandinavian culture," period, but you are correct in him being very selective about which sort of history he likes to mention.

Hmmm? Damn you! Now I have to hunt for it as this would be of interest to me! ;)

If you have any ideas where you think you saw that, do let me know.....

This I found:
NY Times piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/opinion/12wynne.html?ex=1292043600&en=62595ded56431451&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)
Some essay from the Institute for the History of Science and Technology, the Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:H4TzIGtZldoJ:negro-league.onlineinfosource.com/url.php%3Fq%3Dnegro-league-befruchtung%26u%3Dnzzjturdalsneziahbrcngfneztrgnzzarocilf_S0269889702000455)

I say let the best race win. If white people can't compete with hispanic people, that's just evolution in action. If white people are really the master race, they should have nothing to worry about. Indeed, for all the talk of the Jews taking over the world, few neo-nazis have considered that the kind of intelligence required for a small ethnicity to take over a large ethnicity would surely point to the former being the master race. If the billion or so white people in the world can't defend themselves against an ethnic group consisting of only millions, then why do neo-nazis consider them the master race. Come to think about it, why is it that every racist considers their "race" to be the master race?

The argument against immigration is basically 'I don't want people living near me who are different than the kind of person I enjoy living around'.

I can perfectly understand that argument. But you know what? Tough. Do you believe in freedom? Personal freedom, economic freedom? Freedom to make your own choices, and do what you want with your money?

Then don't complain when other people excersize that same freedom in a way you don't like. If you do, you're a hypocrite. You think that your values should apply to you when it's convenient, but not to other people when it isn't convenient.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have freedom to do what you want and at the same time complain when other people do what they want. You don't want 'Those t-ah-pes' living in your neighborhood? Tough. Stop whining.

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?

And yet you answered.

This I found:
NY Times piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/opinion/12wynne.html?ex=1292043600&en=62595ded56431451&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)
Some essay from the Institute for the History of Science and Technology, the Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:H4TzIGtZldoJ:negro-league.onlineinfosource.com/url.php%3Fq%3Dnegro-league-befruchtung%26u%3Dnzzjturdalsneziahbrcngfneztrgnzzarocilf_S0269889702000455)


Thank you!

Hmmm... insults are designed to hide stupidity? That's your theory. My reply is this -























If insults are an effort to hide stupidity as you hypothesize, what would you say about your liberal use of them throughout this thread?

1) We are debating. You insult me by accusing me and I say something back. When I say something it's because of what u say, concerning debate.

2) He makes an irrevelant claim about sheeps. nothing to do with debate

Clearly these 2 are different types of insults....My theory applies to 2nd one.

Why should we pay taxes to help immigrants. THose July 5th suicide bombers were immigrants, one of them was even on social security. Yer, im anti-immigrant

There's a reason it's a cliché, and that's becuase it's true. It really is really, really stupid of you. There is no other way to put it. Dumt. Så urbota dumt. Korkat, till och med!

Oh, you've yet to explain the Walloons and the Hansa period.

Ok I guess u are entitled to think what/who is stupid or not. However u sound very idiotic when u say something is stupid and not explain it. Like finding gravity stupid or boxers stupid? Why? Because they are boxes. Try to make intelligent debates and speak english so everyone can understand...
Anyway are u even a real swede?
They are usually exceptions in many concepts. Besides there's a difference between walloons moving and arabs moving...

Genetics show that the more we mix the races, the better our immune system becomes. If you want your grandchildren to survive that horrible flu season that could come up, you better start fucking spanish and middle-eastern girls for the sake of humanity!

Seriously, though - we're all people, get over it.

Yeah...I'm anti-immigrant. Now all you non-aboriginal people, get the hell off our land!

Fancy you folks complaining about immigration...

...ironic.

Try to make intelligent debates and speak english so everyone can understand
Says the poster who can't understand Fass' perfect English...also the poster who uses 'u' in place of 'you'...

Dumt...hmmm...whatever could that mean in English...

That's right, Fass! Dumb it down for the sake of us unejumacated folk!

Yeah...I'm anti-immigrant. Now all you non-aboriginal people, get the hell off our land!

Fancy you folks complaining about immigration...

...ironic.

Agreed. Only 25% of me is native to this country - the rest is pillaging and murdering immigrant pilgrim.

It reminds me of a Sinbad stand-up bit, where he was talking about the white people getting up in arms and telling black people to go back to Africa, and hispanics to go back to Mexico.

Essentially his argument was this: White man goes "Go home! Go back to your country, you don't belong here!", to which everyone else replies "... You too! Where were your people five hundred years ago? I'm pretty sure they weren't sitting cross-legged in a tent smoking a peace-pipe!" "Oh yeah! A-hyuck. I forgot, I don't belong here either."

Which, regardless of whether you like Sinbad or not, you have to agree with the sentiment.

I love immigration! But I hate monster thread...usually don't touch them.

besides me...just curious

Yeah.

The Nazi Party.

besides me...just curious

Assuming you're American and not a Native American, you're an immigrant.

That's a fundamentalist Muslim majority. It's different.


It is not always a fundamentalist Muslim majority, it is most often a fundamentalist Muslim minority running the government.

Yeah...I'm anti-immigrant. Now all you non-aboriginal people, get the hell off our land!

Fancy you folks complaining about immigration...

...ironic.

That means you too hun! Your ancestors didn't come from here. :p

Assuming you're American and not a Native American, you're an immigrant.

He's from Norway, 'parently.

And, perhaps you're thinking of the term 'Amerindian'? I'm a Native American. Born and bred. But I probably have about as much Amerindian blood in me as... uh... a, er... uhm... GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

i am not agaisnt immigration. immigration is great especially for America that was founded on immigration. what i am against is illegal immigration.

Ok I guess u are entitled to think what/who is stupid or not. However u sound very idiotic when u say something is stupid and not explain it. Like finding gravity stupid or boxers stupid? Why? Because they are boxes.

Xenophobia and racism are one of those things that are automatically stupid. Like eating feces, or marrying drug addicts called "Mette-Marit."

Try to make intelligent debates and speak english so everyone can understand...

You lecture me about English? You who cannot even string together a post without grammatical and/or spelling errors?

Lilla du, lär dig Engelska först innan du försöker berätta för nån annan hur det ska talas.

Anyway are u even a real swede?

You even a real person?

They are usually exceptions in many concepts. Besides there's a difference between walloons moving and arabs moving...

No, to sane people there is no difference.

2) He makes an irrevelant claim about sheeps. nothing to do with debate

Clearly these 2 are different types of insults....My theory applies to 2nd one.

*sigh* I guess trolls can't get humor.

"U" and "ewe" Get the picture?

If you feel insulted then that's your problem.

*sigh* I guess trolls can't get humor.

"U" and "ewe" Get the picture?

If you feel insulted then that's your problem.

He obviously doesn't speak English very well. I don't think he understands your pun, or knows what a "ewe" is.

maybe for Europe it's bad

But I am extremely Pro-immigrant for Canada(considering I am an immigrant myself)

But I am a Right-winger, therefore destroying the stupid stereotype that Right-wingers are all racist

That means you too hun! Your ancestors didn't come from here. :p
Well, unless you're going to make us all go back to our origins in Africa...I figure we've been here tens of thousands of years long enough to make this our home. Get back to me when your folk have been here as long:D

Of course, I'll have to decide which half of me to cut off and send back over in a shipping container...

He's from Norway, 'parently.

And, perhaps you're thinking of the term 'Amerindian'? I'm a Native American. Born and bred. But I probably have about as much Amerindian blood in me as... uh... a, er... uhm... GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
No, you're a native American. Not a Native American:)

besides me...just curious

You know, I wonder how you would feel if your right to live a better life was stripped by some Government. And I can't wait to see your ignorance bubble be bursted by all the criticism you're getting on your childish views that just show that you hold no self-respect and dignity.

1) We are debating. You insult me by accusing me and I say something back. When I say something it's because of what u say, concerning debate.

2) He makes an irrevelant claim about sheeps. nothing to do with debate

Clearly these 2 are different types of insults....My theory applies to 2nd one.

Your insults are not a part of debate. They are ad hominems (look it up). They do not address the actual points that you are replying to and in nearly every case they are not like replies, i.e. the person did not insult you first.

His comment was a joke and nothing more. It wasn't actually designed to insult you, but to make people laugh.

You are correct they are two different types of insults. One was made for amusement and yours in every case are an attempt to discredit the posters in the thread without addressing their points.

Ok I guess u are entitled to think what/who is stupid or not. However u sound very idiotic when u say something is stupid and not explain it. Like finding gravity stupid or boxers stupid? Why? Because they are boxes. Try to make intelligent debates and speak english so everyone can understand...
Anyway are u even a real swede?
They are usually exceptions in many concepts. Besides there's a difference between walloons moving and arabs moving...

Again, you offer insults but you do nothing to address his points. Why is there a difference between walloons moving and arabs moving? Try actually making an argument and leave the ad hominems at home.

...leave the ad hominems at home.
Home. Wasn't that where you were going to stay...far far away from NS? *cavorts in glee*

I agree with the original poster to some extent. I don't see how it's evil and racist for someone in Norway to want to keep his country Norwegian. A country is really just the people in it, after all. If Japan were full of Eskimos it wouldn't really be Japan, would it? It would be Eskimo Island.

You wouldn't call the Native Americans who fought to keep their land in the 1700-1800s evil and racist for trying to defend their culture and ethnic group...so why is it "Nazism" for Europeans to democratically choose to preserve their countries by not bringing in immigrants from all over the world?

Xenophobia and racism are one of those things that are automatically stupid. Like eating feces, or marrying drug addicts called "Mette-Marit."

automatically stupid...ok



You lecture me about English? You who cannot even string together a post without grammatical and/or spelling errors?

I'm telling u to speak english so others can understand

Lilla du, lär dig Engelska först innan du försöker berätta för nån annan hur det ska talas.



[QUOTE=Fass]You even a real person?

Yes. now answer my question.



No, to sane people there is no difference.

automatically sane?

Home. Wasn't that where you were going to stay...far far away from NS? *cavorts in glee*

I hate you!

I have a good friend who's strongly anti immigration. Well, actually, he's a racist and wont admit it, and likes to say he's just anti immigration. In my county there's a new sherrif being elected, and one of the candidates basically said that "whenever i see somebody that even looks like they could be an immigrat, I'm going to pile them up in the car, take them accross the county line, and drop 'em off", as a quote. I live in a really rednecky town though, and like 80% of our town's population is really anti immigration, or downright racist... and not being racist myself (I wasn't raised here, I moved here 5 years ago), It still supprises me that this guy is actually pulling ahead it looks like. Basically what most people think is that what hes trying to say is that he'll just try to drive all the mexicans out, because we do have a growing mexican population here, and the rednecks are none too happy about it. :( Fools...

Yes. now answer my question.

I think you just did for him.

maybe for Europe it's bad

But I am extremely Pro-immigrant for Canada(considering I am an immigrant myself)

But I am a Right-winger, therefore destroying the stupid stereotype that Right-wingers are all racist

Canada is already an immigration society and it's the second biggest country with only 30 million population? It's also very wealthy...I think all the muslims in europe would be very happy there....

You wouldn't call the Native Americans who fought to keep their land in the 1700-1800s evil and racist for trying to defend their culture and ethnic group...so why is it "Nazism" for Europeans to democratically choose to preserve their countries by not bringing in immigrants from all over the world?
The original post stated that this person is anti-immigrant, period. His country is one of those that has a negative birth rate. Unless they start mating like crazy, and popping babies out like it's going out of style, immigration is the only thing that is going to support any kind of social system in that country. Oh, I suppose they could also go the cloning route...

And there is a difference between trying to keep your land (from the people you were willing to share it with...but who instead decided to kick you off it, kill you in the process and keep it all for yourself) and restricting immigration. Don't compare the two.

I hate you!
No you don't.

And we all have to 'go out in a blaze of glory' at least once...so we know what it feels like to come crawling back, tail tucked between our legs...

Canada is already an immigration society and it's the second biggest country with only 30 million population? It's also very wealthy...I think all the muslims in europe would be very happy there....
You know, we still offer fabulous rates on Crown Land for people who are willing to come and farm it...you don't get the 80 acres and a horse anymore, but 160 acres should do you fine, as long as you're willing to live north of Edmonton...

Anti-immigration is just xenophobia, perhaps racism.

It's a fear of them foreigners. Specifically, that them foreigners will out-breed them (thus there will be MORE of them ohnoes!), or steal our jobs (oh noes! competition!) and rape the women (them foreigners is all rapists!).

It's a childish and pathetic stance. If you're so bloody afraid, why don't you just sit in your house all day. You could have a no-immigration stance concerning your front door. But that's not enough, is it? No, to feel extra special safe you have to send all them foreigners out of the country!

If rape and crime were such a big issue, you'd quit whining and allow private firearms ownership. Let women defend themselves instead of relying on your obviously corrupt and inept police forces. But oh, that would require freedom AND personal responsibility, and we can't have that! Shit, that might SAVE LIVES without resorting to turning into a garrison state!

The original post stated that this person is anti-immigrant, period. His country is one of those that has a negative birth rate. Unless they start mating like crazy, and popping babies out like it's going out of style, immigration is the only thing that is going to support any kind of social system in that country. Oh, I suppose they could also go the cloning route...

And there is a difference between trying to keep your land (from the people you were willing to share it with...but who instead decided to kick you off it, kill you in the process and keep it all for yourself) and restricting immigration. Don't compare the two.

I'm anti-immigrant but I dont support violence. Surely u must agree that u dont have to kill someone to deport....

Anti-immigration is just xenophobia, perhaps racism.

It's a fear of them foreigners. Specifically, that them foreigners will out-breed them (thus there will be MORE of them ohnoes!), or steal our jobs (oh noes! competition!) and rape the women (them foreigners is all rapists!).

It's a childish and pathetic stance. If you're so bloody afraid, why don't you just sit in your house all day. You could have a no-immigration stance concerning your front door. But that's not enough, is it? No, to feel extra special safe you have to send all them foreigners out of the country!

If rape and crime were such a big issue, you'd quit whining and allow private firearms ownership. Let women defend themselves instead of relying on your obviously corrupt and inept police forces. But oh, that would require freedom AND personal responsibility, and we can't have that! Shit, that might SAVE LIVES without resorting to turning into a garrison state!


I wont lower myself to name calling....

I'm anti-immigrant but I dont support violence. Surely u must agree that u dont have to kill someone to deport....
And I quote:

And there is a difference between trying to keep your land (from the people you were willing to share it with...but who instead decided to kick you off it, kill you in the process and keep it all for yourself) and restricting immigration. Don't compare the two.

I wont lower myself to name calling....
Why stop now? When your pants are already mucky, you might as well frolic while you're in the gutter...

I wont lower myself to name calling....

No, you'll lower yourself to ignorant xenophobia and racism, but not name calling. Despite the fact that in both the times you've whined about me "calling you names," I haven't called you anything.

I haven't even addressed you specifically with that above post, let alone called you a name.

You'll have to try harder if you want to dismiss my points. Or you could shut up, that would be even more effective.

good.

Yo! What about Darwin?
Without immigration we'd all get smallpox or something and die.
Mix it up!
Tastes better!
Looks better!
Is better!

No, you'll lower yourself to ignorant xenophobia and racism, but not name calling. Despite the fact that in both the times you've whined about me "calling you names," I haven't called you anything.

I haven't even addressed you specifically with that above post, let alone called you a name.

You'll have to try harder if you want to dismiss my points. Or you could shut up, that would be even more effective.

I will answer you once you make your points in a civilized manner...

I wont lower myself to name calling....

Pardon?

Very smart yourself (!)...I can tell by your argument...

Do I? hmmm, maybe u are delusional?...I

Dont be such an idiot...

The display of your intelligence is more amusing...

Can u be this blind? Maybe it's media brain washing? Maybe it's because u simply cant think originally and repeat what majority says...ex: multi culturilism is good....

You must consider going to a lecture at a psychological institude, because you are delusional...

I will not respond to you again if you are stupid enough to not see or lier enough to deny the link between ethnicity and culture....

Err...hand of god? Are you answering the arguments made by your invisible friend?

Dont be such an idiot.

smilar logic...do u have to look dumb just to try to challenge me?

To hide your stupidity, u have to make an insult? Just dont answer the thread. Or was it a joke for people of your intelligence level?

Seriously, why do you keep taking this holier-than-thou approach when approximately 1 in every 5 of your posts contains an insult, attack on the person or calls them a name?

I agree with the original poster to some extent. I don't see how it's evil and racist for someone in Norway to want to keep his country Norwegian. A country is really just the people in it, after all. If Japan were full of Eskimos it wouldn't really be Japan, would it? It would be Eskimo Island.

You wouldn't call the Native Americans who fought to keep their land in the 1700-1800s evil and racist for trying to defend their culture and ethnic group...so why is it "Nazism" for Europeans to democratically choose to preserve their countries by not bringing in immigrants from all over the world?

Is it just me or do you find more ignorant remarks from posters with a postcount in the double-digits as opposed to the triple and quad-digits?

A: No. They would be Japanese by country, Eskimo by descent.
B: The Native Americans welcomed the pilgrims... that is, until they started killing everyone, raping the women, stealing the food, lying to them about everything, taking their land by force... that kind of thing is understandably irritating.

Canada is already an immigration society and it's the second biggest country with only 30 million population? It's also very wealthy...I think all the muslims in europe would be very happy there....

(German immigrant speaking)

Well I wouldn't accept ALL muslims here(in a time like this)

but I would be happy to get East Asians off your hands! They rock!

Pardon?
Seriously, where would we be without you, Jocabia? Who else has the patience to throw someone's own words back in their face in such a rockin' manner?

I will answer you once you make your points in a civilized manner...

Oh my, aren't you sensitive. But I'm not here to play games. You wanna ignore what I said or try to dismiss it, be my guest. I'm fairly certain your answer would consist of lies, dodges, generalizations and ignorance anyway. :fluffle: