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"Secret Organization group al Qaeda Organization in Europe". What kind of f'd up name is that?

From CNN.com.

CNN could not confirm the authenticity of the statement, which was posted on a Web site connected to Islamic radicals.

"It is time of revenge against the crusader and Zionist British government has come in response to the massacres committed by Iraq and Afghanistan," said the statement, translated from Arabic by CNN.

"Here is Britain burning now out of fear and horror in its north, south east and west. We have often and repeatedly warned the British government and people."

The military officials also said the intelligence community, as expected, will be going back through intelligence reports to see if there are any indicators that may now be apparent.


In the United States, several military officials said there is no confirmation on responsibility for the attacks, but the working assumption is it may have been conducted by an al Qaeda-related group because of the coordinated nature of the blasts and the near simultaneity of the explosions.

And on Fox, a US military official has just said they knew there was going to be an attack but they were not able to find out when or how, or what the targets would be.

If they can hit London, despite its cameras, its police, and the fact that British and American governments were doing what they could to prevent the attacks, is any place on earth safe?

Latest - 33 dead.

Condolences to all those affected.

UK was bound to become a target sooner or later. Fundamentalist muslims are crawling all over the place.

Bradfordstan anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm

lets not play the blame game

My sympathies go out to all Londoners and their relatives/friends who have suffered from these barbaric attacks. :(

it will take a long time to read through all this so i'll post what i know anyway

33 fatalities:
21 in kings cross
5 in edgeware
unknnown number in bus blast

over 200 walking wounded in one london hospital 75 still ebign treated for more major injuries

BBC news 24

edit: just rembered 4 blasts on tube confirmed by police as people came out different ends of the line more were reported

and a reporter asked the police if a police sniper had shot a possible suicide bomber in canary warf, the police chief denyed it

My love to all of you in London and those affected.

Stop calling them Muslim.

1] Anyone who would do such a thing is *not* Muslim. Even the British authorities said that exact same thing. Did you not watch the press conference?

2] The investigation is not over and, at this point, nobody knows who has commited this act. Take a lesson from Oklahoma City. Everyone jumped on the "Muslim Terrorist" bandwagon instantly but that turned out to be a "Christian Terrorist".

Well, as a matter of fact the 9/11 terrorists were Muslims, and bin Laden and Al Quaeda consider themselves to be Muslims. Even if you consider them be no 'real' Muslims that doesn't change the fact that they do (note that this also does nowhere help to solve the problem).

Regarding Oklahoma City, no doubt that Christian fundamentalists can't be just as loony as Islamic ones.

Latest - 33 dead.

Condolences to all those affected.

UK was bound to become a target sooner or later. Fundamentalist muslims are crawling all over the place.

Bradfordstan anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm

Lets not be a racist either.

*shrug* Know that old saying "Even the Devil can quote scripture if it serves his purpose"? Anyone who's been watching the internet and reading all the psuedo-fatwahs can mimic them.

It's one of the reasons you can't convict someone for a crime on confession alone. There has to be proof. Anyone can confess to anything, but that doesn't mean they actually did it. Even the name of the supposed group is a little suspect.

Well, you have a point there. I think we just have to wait and see what evidence comes up. Time will tell...

We have someone on our region forum still waiting to hear from an Aunt who works in central London. To anyone one else in this situation my thoughts and prayers.

Latest - 33 dead.

Condolences to all those affected.

UK was bound to become a target sooner or later. Fundamentalist muslims are crawling all over the place.

Bradfordstan anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm

As I lived for four years in the Hortons in Bradford. I take this comment to be in extremely bad taste. I would request that you either apologize or justify your incredibly stupid point of view.

I just heard the news from Sky. My heart goes out to those in London and to those who have lost life, family and friends in this senseless attack.

Stop calling them Muslim.

1] Anyone who would do such a thing is *not* Muslim. Even the British authorities said that exact same thing. Did you not watch the press conference?

2] The investigation is not over and, at this point, nobody knows who has commited this act. Take a lesson from Oklahoma City. Everyone jumped on the "Muslim Terrorist" bandwagon instantly but that turned out to be a "Christian Terrorist".
1 Who decides who's a muslim and who's not? These people hide among mainstream muslims, sell CDs of their violent preaching in shops and outside mosques frequented by mainstream muslims, and never seem to be turned in to the authorities by the mainstream muslims. In fact, mainstream muslims complain about their rights being violated if anyone tries to find the violent jihadists hiding among them.

2 Come on, how many serious terrorist acts around the world are commited by christians? The correct answer is not nearly as many as are commited by muslims. Odds are that it's a jihadist organization.

Its got that unbelievable tragedy feeling to it. Just like 9/11.

My condolences, British brethern. My prayers go out to you.

for those who think that God cries when it's raining...


He's letting alot of tears loose over Dallas, Tx right now.

woah, my freinds dad and brother passed through one of the tube stations less than ten minutes before one of the bombs.....THAT is lucky

Alright, people have asked that we keep the political aspect out of this thread, so please, move it over here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430515

1 Who decides who's a muslim and who's not?

Well it sure as hell ain't Osama bin Laden. ;)

1 Who decides who's a muslim and who's not?
The Mighty Sabu of course.

My sympathies to all those involved in todays tragic events in London, a truly cowardly and barbaric attack on the values that we hold dear in Britain and every other civilised nation in the world.

At the moment, who is to blame is not of major concern, we should be focusing our attentions on the people who died, and how this could have been avoided or handled any better in the future, but if you ask me, the Emergency Services did a fantastic job in a dificult and stressful situation, so Well Done to them!

Please stop blaming Tony Blair and his war in Iraq, it really is getting quite tedious on these boards. The war in Iraq is not the cause of all problems, it could be a contributing factor, but i don't think the sole reason, or one would hope not anyway.

My sympathies to all involved and my congratulations to the emergency services, a job well done.

Graham Harvey

Oh man... I don't know what to say. These bastards are infiltrating all our countries. I am so sorry that this happened, for all of you in the UK.

(I just woke up and caught this btw.)

I pray that no more die as a result of this.

I pray that no one from the forums has been hurt or killed. God, that's scarey, since there are more UKers here than anyone else I think.

*worries and is going to TG everyone*

I didn't get a chance to read through this entire thread, obviously, but does anyone know if anyone on the forums has been hurt? I'm really worried.

I offer my condolences to all of you.

And I spit on the bastard cowards who think they're accomplishing anything other than murder.

My thoughts are with you in the UK.....

I've spent all day on the phone to friends and family in london. Who the fuck cares about christian and islamic militants?

Yah, no shit.

The Mighty Sabu of course.

Ah! My first actual laugh out loud moment of the day. Priceless.

to all those who are still arguing about muslims/christians, iraq/uk/us involvement, etc...


go here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430515)

washington post says that "at least 40 people" were killed. :(

Anyone know how Canuks can contact London for info about relatives? People in my office have been asking around...

Leave this thread if your going to carry on politising or i'll call a mod.

washington post says that "at least 40 people" were killed. :(

Then washington post should check it's facts, the beeb is still saying 21 people

washington post says that "at least 40 people" were killed. :(It is truly a sad sad day.

If you search back through the 70 odd pages you'll find my comments I'm sure.

No, I'm not about to even TRY doing that. You've heard this from Kat, and from myself and quite a few others so far - just drop it, or go to sinuhue's thread.

Your political opportunism is utterly revolting, and I don't mind saying so.

Now bugger off.

Well can't they milit somewhere else?

They do that too. They seem to excel at blowing up their own people in their own countries.

Any organization or movement that arrives at the idea of blowing up civilians just to see the looks on their faces is long past the point where they "control" where they do their thing.

Then washington post should check it's facts, the beeb is still saying 21 people

they said 33 as of about twenty minutes ago when i arrived here the number is probably still going up.... :(

edit: check beeb site stil says 33 dead and around 350 wounded...any one thought that it could have been anarchists by the way?

It is truly a sad sad day.
like i said still only 21 people not 40

The US are raising security. I bet that makes Americans feel more secure

Oh, yes. More police, etc. I feel safer already. :rolleyes:

Then washington post should check it's facts, the beeb is still saying 21 people

bbc news states "more than 30" the wash. post claim was done a little over 15 minutes ago. BBCs was maybe around the same time (can't tell GMT very well)

Then washington post should check it's facts, the beeb is still saying 21 people
40 are probably killed, 31ish are confirmed.

they said 33 as of about twenty minutes ago when i arrived here the number is probably still going up.... :(

The beeb has literally about 7 seconds ago said 21 at kings cross....7 down the road...that is still only 28 people

http://www.msn.co.uk/htx/londonattacks/

33 but who cares about the number

They do that too. They seem to excel at blowing up their own people in their own countries.

Any organization or movement that arrives at the idea of blowing up civilians just to see the looks on their faces is long past the point where they "control" where they do their thing.

Actually, I meant the ones on the thread

like i said still only 21 people not 40

21 is still bad

http://www.msn.co.uk/htx/londonattacks/

33 but who cares about the number

I am watching the bbc news right now this second and they keep on repeating that same number 21 and 7....that makes 28!!

33 confirmed dead, the bomb on the bus still hasn't been confirmed how many dead.

and i'm watching bbc news, there are more numbers than that. it says 33 confirmed. same with bbc website.

The beeb has literally about 7 seconds ago said 21 at kings cross....7 down the road...that is still only 28 people

There were three explosions on the Underground - which police said left 33 dead - and one on a double-decker bus in which an unknown number died

erm....weird...

edit: u missed out edgewere(sp?)
0917 Five people die in blast on a train at Edgware Road station
add that on and it makes 33, i'm thankful no-one i know of yet has been caught in it and i pray for those still trying to find out.

watch more closly.

My heartfelt condolences and prayers to the victims and their families, and to Geat Britain as well. I know that millions of other people around the world feel the same way.

I know that the American and European intelligence services will cooperate, providing any information that may help the British track down the perpetrators. The Brits will handle this capably, as they always do, and extract justice to their satisfaction.

Personally, I wish the perpetrators dead, but it's up to the Brits how they handle this.

That bus is going to be nasty-have you seen the picutres? I hope it wasn't very full-anyone near the bomber would have been vaporised.

I am watching the bbc news right now this second and they keep on repeating that same number 21 and 7....that makes 28!!

plus 5 at edgware road

33 confirmed dead, the bomb on the bus still hasn't been confirmed how many dead.

and i'm watching bbc news, there are more numbers than that. it says 33 confirmed. same with bbc website.

the only numbers I'm getting are 21 kings cross, 7 at edgewear and unknown at bus

Ah! My first actual laugh out loud moment of the day. Priceless.

Quite an inappropriate place for this really....

the only numbers I'm getting are 21 kings cross, 7 at edgewear and unknown at bus

My friend said 6 dead at Tavistock.

I'm sorry that you feel that way.
All I've done was voice my opinion. I have nothing to gain from that, I'm not a politician and I'm not trying to score points of anykind.

Once again my most sincere apologies.

you can voice your opinion here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430515 this thread is for the condolences of those affected by these blasts in London.

My condolences London.


Edit: apparently no political discussion is allowed in this thread.

My friend said 6 dead at Tavistock.
Unknown, blown to bits-like the bus.

Quite an inappropriate place for this really....
Indeed.

Amen.

That guy is starting piss me off. I might actually have to walk away from these forums for a while to cool off.

Has anyone noticed that phone lines in the US are being coopted? I just tried to call a creditor to get some information about a bill, but got the Dallas Morning News instead.
I've always used that number to call the creditor. That's been there number for the last 2 years and it just changed to someone else this morning.

No chance you misdialed, right?

Brian Paddick of the London Police said in a press conference that there are seven confirmed fatalities in the first blast, 21 in the second and five in the third, which may have affected three trains in the Edgware Road train station. And in the fourth explosion, which involved a double-decker bus, there are fatalities but officials cannot yet confirm numbers.

So that is at least 33 fatalties. Unfortunately.

they said 33 as of about twenty minutes ago when i arrived here the number is probably still going up.... :(

edit: check beeb site stil says 33 dead and around 350 wounded...any one thought that it could have been anarchists by the way?
There's an islamist website that's claiming guilt for the attacks.

No chance you misdialed, right?

or forgot to put on his tin foil hat...

Quite an inappropriate place for this really....

No ... sometimes a good laugh is part of the process. I started out today very, very angry. The little chuckles are helping that to subside.

Right. iLock temporarily while I split the OFF TOPIC posts off.

Ok. Will comb through again later to see if I have cut any posts that ought to be put back here, or missed any that should be moved.

Keep it civil.

33 has just been upgraded to 37 Confirmed.

.any one thought that it could have been anarchists by the way?

Crossed my mind. But I think it is even more unlikely that the theory it could be one of the various IRA's.


Of course. I could just be in denial.

Mayor Giuliani, formerly of NY, is in London and gave high praise to the British emergency services.

We knew they would do well, but Brits deserve the recognition they deserve.

Crossed my mind. But I think it is even more unlikely that the theory it could be one of the various IRA's.


Of course. I could just be in denial.


I truly dont believe it was the IRA.

Mayor Giuliani, formerly of NY, is in London and gave high praise to the British emergency services.

We knew they would do well, but Brits deserve the recognition they deserve.

I agree 100% Sabbatis. They have been doing a terrific job.

*Starts to sing "God save the Queen"*

I agree 100% Sabbatis. They have been doing a terrific job.I agree the fire department is very well organized and training for something like this was a good idea after all not just paranoia

I agree the fire department is very well organized and training for something like this was a good idea after all not just paranoia

Its better to prepare for the worst and pray it doesn't happen than not preparing for the worst and having it occur.

I just heard in the News that London's Underground is shut down after what could've been two bomb explosions?
Any news?

:( Link here to information on the bombings:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661059.stm

Anyone know how Canuks can contact London for info about relatives? People in my office have been asking around...
The BBC contact number for the UK is 0870 1566 344. You can probably reach it from the US (or anywhere else) by dialing the UK area code. It is 0044, and you miss out the first '0'.

0044870 1566 344.

My condolences and thoughts are with everyone who has been, or has loved ones involved in this tragedy.

The BBC contact number for the UK is 0870 1566 344. You can probably reach it from the US (or anywhere else) by dialing the UK area code. It is 0044, and you miss out the first '0'.

0044870 1566 344.

My condolences and thoughts are with everyone who has been, or has loved ones involved in this tragedy.I just hope Amy is ok but I have her number somewhere...

I truly dont believe it was the IRA.

Neither do I.

Just saying the chances of it being anarchists is even less than being an IRA faction imo.

Much as I don't like America much, I'm going to praise dubya.

He just made a very good speach from Gleneagles, and seemed to be more upset than Tony Blair was.

LONDON (AP) British police say the official confirmed death count has risen by four, to 37, with 700 others injured.

Just saying the chances of it being anarchists is even less than being an IRA faction imo.

I agree. The concept of anarchists organizing an attack kinda doesn't make sense. And even the IRA's worst attacks didn't come close to this...didn't only like 9 die on Bloody Friday? The death toll now is sky-high compared to that.

Much as I don't like America much, I'm going to praise dubya.

He just made a very good speach from Gleneagles, and seemed to be more upset than Tony Blair was.
Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

I'm asking cause Blaire doesn't seem to be very emotional and they are interviewing one of the women who was on the train that was blown and she doesn't seem to be showing any emotion either.

I agree. The concept of anarchists organizing an attack kinda doesn't make sense. And even the IRA's worst attacks didn't come close to this...didn't only like 9 die on Bloody Friday? The death toll now is sky-high compared to that.
I doubt they have the full casualty count yet. It might be a day or so before they have a final tally.

I doubt they have the full casualty count yet. It might be a day or so before they have a final tally.

And even then, depending on the critically wounded, it still could go up.

Is it me, or did this coincidentally happen on the day after London was given the 2012 Olympic Games and at the same time the G8 summit was going on? Talk about timing.

Is it me, or did this coincidentally happen on the day after London was given the 2012 Olympic Games and at the same time the G8 summit was going on? Talk about timing.

I'm thinking that the Olympics are a red herring.


http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

I'm thinking that the Olympics are a red herring.
I was referring to the timing. Cause until yesterday, almost no one knew the Olympics would be in London so there is no way Al Qaeda could have timed its attack to coincide with London getting the Olympics. But the timing is weird.

fuck :(
been listening to coverage on radio 4 most of the day...


i suppose, first off, it was inevitable & just a matter of time till something like this happened. with that in mind i think we can be thankful that this wasn't anything like as massive, damaging, iconic or involving as much loss of life as it could have been, or as it was in new york.
and give praise to our intelligence services who have been doing a thoroughly good job till now protecting us from many (apparent) terrorist attempts

it wouldn't make sense this being the IRA as tensions in Ireland appear to be about as low as they've been in my lifetime right about now.
Anarchists? nah, this was evidently a very, very well planned series of linked attacks - only real terrorists such as the IRA and Al Queda have the credibilty and means to carry out this sort of thing.


i only hope Britain doesn't turn as paranoid as many Americans seem to have following their attacks in 2001

fuck :(
been listening to coverage on radio 4 most of the day...


i suppose, first off, it was inevitable & just a matter of time till something like this happened. with that in mind i think we can be thankful that this wasn't anything like as massive, damaging, iconic or involving as much loss of life as it could have been, or as it was in new york.
and give praise to our intelligence services who have been doing a thoroughly good job till now protecting us from many (apparent) terrorist attempts

it wouldn't make sense this being the IRA as tensions in Ireland appear to be about as low as they've been in my lifetime right about now.
Anarchists? nah, this was evidently a very, very well planned series of linked attacks - only real terrorists such as the IRA and Al Queda have the credibilty and means to carry out this sort of thing.


i only hope Britain doesn't turn as paranoid as many Americans seem to have following their attacks in 2001

We've been dealing with terror attacks for years. This is just slightly bigger than the last one. Omagh, Eniskillen, even Brighton. We'll be fine

We've been dealing with terror attacks for years. This is just slightly bigger than the last one. Omagh, Eniskillen, even Brighton. We'll be fine

Manchester get forgotten about again :(

:p

A suspect device was found on a bus in Edinbourgh!

Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

I'm asking cause Blaire doesn't seem to be very emotional and they are interviewing one of the women who was on the train that was blown and she doesn't seem to be showing any emotion either.

We can be emotional when its undercontroland people arn't pointing cameras at you. Outward emotion is not a British thing really after this sort of thing

I don't think it matters who did it. The result is the same. If ANY country thinks they are safe from fundamentalist muslims, no matter what their politics, they aren't. Hell, they bomb each other.

I just hope everyone from the forums is OK... If someone is not, pehaps a thread could be started listing NSers who are injured. I'd sure appreciate it...

This is my 2nd post, but as I said in the first. I'm deeply sorry for this tragedy and hope none of you, your fams, or friends were hurt in this.

I'm thinking of you all. And my prayers are with you.

PLEASE start a thread of the injured should their be any forum members, or families or friends of, that have been injured (I can't get myself to say the other possibility).

It's impossible to go through this long thread to find out.

Please, someone start a thread, if indeed anyone or their fam or friends has been hurt. :( That way we can offer our condolences, and know what happened.

My condolences to your nation. We can never give in to terrorists. The minute you do, the minute they know they can get away with this and get their way.

Here's to hoping no one from the forums or friends, relatives were hurt... :(

i only hope Britain doesn't turn as paranoid as many Americans seem to have following their attacks in 2001

Have a couple of planes fly into a couple of buildings down the street from you, then speak to me about being paranoid... :(

(BTW: I always carry my laptop bag with me. Besides my work stuff, I have a small Maglight flashlight, spare batteries, a bandana, a Leatherman tool and a poncho. Just in case.)

Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

I'm asking cause Blaire doesn't seem to be very emotional and they are interviewing one of the women who was on the train that was blown and she doesn't seem to be showing any emotion either.

No, but we find it embarrasing to have hysterics on international television.

I don't think it matters who did it. The result is the same. If ANY country thinks they are safe from fundamentalist muslims, no matter what their politics, they aren't. Hell, they bomb each other.

I just hope everyone from the forums is OK... If someone is not, pehaps a thread could be started listing NSers who are injured. I'd sure appreciate it...

This is my 2nd post, but as I said in the first. I'm deeply sorry for this tragedy and hope none of you, your fams, or friends were hurt in this.

I'm thinking of you all. And my prayers are with you.

PLEASE start a thread of the injured should their be any forum members, or families or friends of, that have been injured (I can't get myself to say the other possibility).

It's impossible to go through this long thread to find out.

Please, someone start a thread, if indeed anyone or their fam or friends has been hurt. :( That way we can offer our condolences, and know what happened.

My condolences to your nation. We can never give in to terrorists. The minute you do, the minute they know they can get away with this and get their way.

Here's to hoping no one from the forums or friends, relatives were hurt... :(


Noone knows, there's no mobile phones in central london still.

Noone knows, there's no mobile phones in central london still.


Damn! :headbang:

Have a couple of planes fly into a couple of buildings down the street from you, then speak to me about being paranoid... :(

(BTW: I always carry my laptop bag with me. Besides my work stuff, I have a small Maglight flashlight, spare batteries, a bandana, a Leatherman tool and a poncho. Just in case.)

What about duct tape?

I just got home. Along with about 2 million other people who would normally use the Tube. I'd like to say a big Fuck You to all the drivers driving my way with 4 empty seats in their car while thousands of people were walking. That's the kind of spirit that will defeat terrorism.

But apart from them, spirits were pretty high. People were calm. If it weren't for the lack of buses you wouldn't have thought anything was wrong.

I'm pretty sure I just heard an explosion as I was typing this. Maybe I'm just jittery.

Out of curiousity, has anyone heard about a suicide bomber being shot dead at Canary Wharf? I've been hearing rumours about that from people who work up at Canary Wharf for a while now.

We've been dealing with terror attacks for years. This is just slightly bigger than the last one. Omagh, Eniskillen, even Brighton. We'll be fine
indeed, but as you say it is the biggest one yet. plus its (unconfirmed) the first suicide bomber strike we've ever had; and the first one in a number of years. plus its one of a very few there have been on the capital.

and also this is different from the others in that previous terrorist attacks have generally been internal affairs (what with the IRA being the major culprits and all); but this is the first strike against us by a truly fanatical international terrorist organisation (unlike say ETA in Spain)... and we've already seen what they've done in other countries.


i'm not going all paranoid or anything myself, but this is different from the others we've faced before; and these differences should just be recognised.
plus the media will pick up on this, i'm sure - the international climate and mood of the media is about terrorism, following american lead.

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Originally Posted by Atlantitania
Much as I don't like America much, I'm going to praise dubya.

He just made a very good speach from Gleneagles, and seemed to be more upset than Tony Blair was.

Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

In response to Whittier, when people talk about British people not showing their emotions they are generally thinking about the English. They are the ones who value the "stiff upper lip" approach. I'm a Welshwoman and I can safely say that we of the Celtic persuasion (Scotland Ireland, Cornwall etc.) are much more demonstrative. I've had my nan on the phone twice panicking on my behalf and I live 150 miles away from London (She's not very good at geography). I think Tony Blair appeared reserved because he knows he has to watch what he says very carefully as the Press will slaughter him if he puts a foot wrong. A Welshman would have just told the terrorists that they would be hunted down like the dogs they are and then run off with their 500 brothers, uncles and cousins to start looking.

Where the bombs went off:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Maps/Europe/London_underground/London_blastsXX.gif

It is very dubious that the mass transit in the city will work for the rest of the day.

What about duct tape?

I just got home. Along with about 2 million other people who would normally use the Tube. I'd like to say a big Fuck You to all the drivers driving my way with 4 empty seats in their car while thousands of people were walking. That's the kind of spirit that will defeat terrorism.

But apart from them, spirits were pretty high. People were calm. If it weren't for the lack of buses you wouldn't have thought anything was wrong.

I'm pretty sure I just heard an explosion as I was typing this. Maybe I'm just jittery.

I actually got stopped going into a building when they scanned my bag once. Seems that the Leatherman tool and the duct tape together seemed suspicious to them... so I stopped carrying the duct tape. :(

I'm sorry to hear about the drivers. That sucks!!

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Originally Posted by Atlantitania
Much as I don't like America much, I'm going to praise dubya.

He just made a very good speach from Gleneagles, and seemed to be more upset than Tony Blair was.

Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

In response to Whittier, when people talk about British people not showing their emotions they are generally thinking about the English. They are the ones who value the "stiff upper lip" approach. I'm a Welshwoman and I can safely say that we of the Celtic persuasion (Scotland Ireland, Cornwall etc.) are much more demonstrative. I've had my nan on the phone twice panicking on my behalf and I live 150 miles away from London (She's not very good at geography). I think Tony Blair appeared reserved because he knows he has to watch what he says very carefully as the Press will slaughter him if he puts a foot wrong. A Welshman would have just told the terrorists that they would be hunted down like the dogs they are and then run off with their 500 brothers, uncles and cousins to start looking.


In fairness to him, he made another speach from downing street about 5 minutes ago and he was practically in tears.

All the schools in London are going to be closed tomorrow. What kind of lesson is that to teach kids?

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In fairness to him, he made another speach from downing street about 5 minutes ago and he was practically in tears.


Yeah, you can tell he's very shaken. Must be hard to be the one everybody looks to for explanations. Being PM must make you feel responsible for a lot. That's why I feel he must be under pressure to come off just right. I thought President Bush looked genuinely horrified. I expect it must bring back memories for him. It's a dreadful situation. I really hope there is no more to come and that they catch these bastards quickly.

All the schools in London are going to be closed tomorrow. What kind of lesson is that to teach kids?

Not a very good one. I remember after 9/11 that schools were open except for those closest to Ground Zero and NYC as a whole if I remember right.

All the schools in London are going to be closed tomorrow. What kind of lesson is that to teach kids?

That we love you, and want to make sure you'll be safe?

PS: SKY news is now reporting that there seems to have been at least one suicide bomber.

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All the schools in London are going to be closed tomorrow. What kind of lesson is that to teach kids?
Kid1: Mommy, I wanna be a terrorist when I grow up!
Adult: No, you don't.
Kid2: He does, too!
Adult: Okay, why do you want to be a terrorist when you grow up?
Kid1: So I can bomb places and get kids out of school and stuff... I'll be doing the kids all over the world a favor! Superterrorist!
Kid1 & Kid2: YAY!
:p

Does anyone know what happened in Brighton station? My fiance works there and he said there was an explosion in the train station. I've seen some stuff on the local news website about a controlled explosion of a suspect package but no real details.

Not a very good one. I remember after 9/11 that schools were open except for those closest to Ground Zero and NYC as a whole if I remember right.

When Connecticut went into lockdown around noon, New Haven (& I believe the other districts) had early dismissal.

Remember, the whole UK is only the size of Oregon. Things are MUCH closer together. IMHO, it's a good move.


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When Connecticut went into lockdown around noon, New Haven (& I believe the other districts) had early dismissal.

Remember, the whole UK is only the size of Oregon. Things are MUCH closer together. IMHO, it's a good move.


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I actually don't think it is. All schools went on lockdown fyi. I still think the schools should stay open but that is my opinion.

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Manchester get forgotten about again :(

:p

Sorry dude... I always forget Manchester. Eniskillen and Omagh are ones that stick for me

Rueters is reporting 50 have died but that is not, repeat not, confirmed.

Remember, the whole UK is only the size of Oregon. Things are MUCH closer together. IMHO, it's a good move.


Yeah, we're only ikkle.

Rueters is reporting 50 have died but that is not, repeat not, confirmed.
Offical death tolls place the current count at 37, expected to rise

All the schools in London are going to be closed tomorrow. What kind of lesson is that to teach kids?
No they aren't. Mine's still open, and it is less than a mile away from some of the attacks. To be honest, i'm more utterly pissed off rather than sad or anything. I just want those responsible to die a very painful death. Then I'll be happy. They don't deserve life.

Offical death tolls place the current count at 37, expected to rise

I know but I was just reporting what Reuters is saying.

I know currently we have 37 dead and 700 wounded.

No they aren't. Mine's still open, and it is less than a mile away from some of the attacks. To be honest, i'm more utterly pissed off rather than sad or anything. I just want those responsible to die a very painful death. Then I'll be happy. They don't deserve life.

No offence to the Americans, but we're not you. We're not a good target for terrorists because we're used to it.

Most of the british aren't terrified, just very angry. And while America may have more sheer power behind it, we're still probably the most respected and influential nation in the world.

No they aren't. Mine's still open, and it is less than a mile away from some of the attacks. To be honest, i'm more utterly pissed off rather than sad or anything. I just want those responsible to die a very painful death. Then I'll be happy. They don't deserve life.

i think that's the way you could describe most Americans after 9-11 (sorry to bring it up, but it was an analogy). I agree wholeheartedly and wish whomever did this attack on London a slow, painful death.

GLEANEAGLES, Scotland (AP) British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says the London bombings have the "hallmarks of an al-Qaida-related attack."

:(
i just want to extend my deepest sympathy and prayers to all of the people of great britain.
i have been sitting here in horror,feeling a deep sense of loss for the families of those injured or worse,i lost a friend in the trade center so i cannot imagine the pain of those who have had this atrocity affect there family.
please know that all of the people from the u.s.are praying for those affected or injured or worse.
may you find some comfort from all the prayers.

:(
i just want to extend my deepest sympathy and prayers to all of the people of great britain.
i have been sitting here in horror,feeling a deep sense of loss for the families of those injured or worse,i lost a friend in the trade center so i cannot imagine the pain of those who have had this atrocity affect there family.
please know that all of the people from the u.s.are praying for those affected or injured or worse.
may you find some comfort from all the prayers.

i will reserve my anger for another time,for now i just feel sorrow and saddness.

Quotes... There are about a dozen, here are a few:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4660415.stm

George W. Bush
On the one hand you've got people here who are working to alleviate poverty and to help rid the world of the pandemic of Aids. They're working on ways to have a clean environment and on the other hand you have people killing innocent people.

Jacques Chirac
I would like to express the full horror I feel at the terrorist attacks which bathed the British capital in blood this morning.
I would like to express to all Londoners, to all of the British people, the solidarity, the compassion and the friendship of France and the French people.

Pope Benedict XVI
Deeply saddened by the news of the terrorist attacks in central London, the Holy Father offers his fervent prayers for the victims and for all those who mourn.
While he deplores these barbaric acts against humanity, he asks you to convey to the families of the injured his spiritual closeness at this time of grief.
Upon the people of Great Britain, he invokes the consolation that only God can give in such circumstances.

Vladimir Putin
The response to these inhumane crimes wherever they take place - be it London, New York, Moscow or other countries - should be absolute condemnation. All civilised countries should unite in the fight against international terrorism.


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No offence to the Americans, but we're not you. We're not a good target for terrorists because we're used to it.

Most of the british aren't terrified, just very angry. And while America may have more sheer power behind it, we're still probably the most respected and influential nation in the world.

You're exactly right. 9/11 was such a shock because no-one thought it could happen to the US. But it did, and it opened your eyes to the world. In the UK, we've grown used to it. We accept that things happen, and we can't change that after it's done. There's no use being terrified, that's just what they want.

Hmm...

So AFTER this happens to the UK mass transit...the US raises their alert level with respect to mass transit..

Major Bush decision in 10, 9, 8, 7... Seriouslly...watch him come on later tonight and start discussing this incident in the UK, morph it to 9/11, then morph it to his Supreme Court nomination...just watch...

You're exactly right. 9/11 was such a shock because no-one thought it could happen to the US. But it did, and it opened your eyes to the world. In the UK, we've grown used to it. We accept that things happen, and we can't change that after it's done. There's no use being terrified, that's just what they want.

Which is why it should be business as usual on friday :), and make sure that we don't overreact to it. Play it cool and piss them off.

Hmmmm

I wonder if this attack is a test run for something bigger?

Hmm...

So AFTER this happens to the UK mass transit...the US raises their alert level with respect to mass transit..

Major Bush decision in 10, 9, 8, 7... Seriouslly...watch him come on later tonight and start discussing this incident in the UK, morph it to 9/11, then morph it to his Supreme Court nomination...just watch...

What? You forgot to link Hurricane Dennis into all that... :p

What? You forgot to link Hurricane Dennis into all that... :D

You forgot Cindy too :D but that storm is basically a typical low pressure system now.

Sky News reporting that evidence indicates that the bus bombing was infact a suicide bombing.

Don't know if this is true but that is what they are reporting.

You're exactly right. 9/11 was such a shock because no-one thought it could happen to the US. But it did, and it opened your eyes to the world. In the UK, we've grown used to it. We accept that things happen, and we can't change that after it's done. There's no use being terrified, that's just what they want.

It's a little depressing. The IRA, Eta, Al Quaida, they're all bluring into one.

I express my condolences to my countrymen in London. Extreme grief and anger at their loss is being felt throughout our country. We too shall show the same bravery and calm that Londoners showed today and thus we shall defeat the terrorists not with bombs but with our stalwart and resolute stance against their heinous crimes.

I must congratulate the London emergency services who reacted swiftly, efficiently and with tremendous professionalism to the crisis. Due to their actions, many lives were saved.

It's a little depressing. The IRA, Eta, Al Quaida, they're all bluring into one.

Bit of a difference: IRA & ETA wanted local independence. Al Quaeda wants to destroy Western Civilization and return the calendar to about 1200 AD. :(

Bit of a difference: IRA & ETA wanted local independence. Al Quaeda wants to destroy Western Civilization and return the calendar to about 1200 AD. :(

1200? I thought it was 700?

1200? I thought it was 700?

I can't think of any time in western history when women can be stoned to death for showing an inch of flesh.

1200? I thought it was 700?
They haven't decided what year to return things to. It's a huge debate...the Saudis kind of liked the 1300s, but the Uzbeks were rather fond of 53 BC, and the Yemenites will do whatever the UAE decides, but they're waiting to be bribed into a decision. Tough decisions ahead!:)

I can't think of any time in western history when women can be stoned to death for showing an inch of flesh.

depends what inch

I can't think of any time in western history when women can be stoned to death for showing an inch of flesh.
No, just burned at the stake, breasts cut off and shoved into the mouths of her children who were then impaled...all for being accussed of witchcraft...countless atrocities have occurred in western 'civilization' too.

Maybe you want to qualify that with, RECENTLY?

I can't think of any time in western history when women can be stoned to death for showing an inch of flesh.

Nope. But I can think of quite a few times it was actively encouraged!! ;)

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depends what inch
Those aren't stones...they're dollar coins :D

No, just burned at the stake, breasts cut off and shoved into the mouths of her children who were then impaled...all for being accussed of witchcraft...countless atrocities have occurred in western 'civilization' too.

Maybe you want to qualify that with, RECENTLY?

Goody Proctor is a witch!

Guess they never read that story.

I can't think of any time in western history when women can be stoned to death for showing an inch of flesh.
Neither can I.

No, just burned at the stake, breasts cut off and shoved into the mouths of her children who were then impaled...all for being accussed of witchcraft...countless atrocities have occurred in western 'civilization' too.

Maybe you want to qualify that with, RECENTLY?

True, i aplogize if anyone took offence.

Sky News reporting that evidence indicates that the bus bombing was infact a suicide bombing.

Don't know if this is true but that is what they are reporting.

Am I the only one to hear this?

1200? I thought it was 700?

What's a few centuries among zealots? :(

I would think they'd gun for 1683, as it was pretty much the height of the Ottoman Empire. But that was an enlightened, technologically advanced regime (esp. for the time!), so I was thinking 1200.
700 is only a couple hundred years after Muhammad, so there wasn't much of an Islamic identity, yet...

Am I the only one to hear this?

Heard it, but the BBC have said nothing about it. Seems media speculation at the moment.

True, i aplogize if anyone took offence.
Sorry...I don't mean to keep going off like that...it's like a tick I can't control, so let me just sum up my point here and leave it at that:

1) The West is not, nor has ever been perfect. We can not judge Islam and practices of Muslims on moral grounds alone, with the idea that we are somehow 'better'. We have GOTTEN better, we are WORKING on improving, but there is no underlying, innate moral superiority at work here.

2) Fundamentalist Islamists have twisted their religion the same way ANY fundamentalist will. Unfortunately, in many Muslim nations, there is no separation of church and state, and so these fundamentalist factions have very real political power to further their aims. Muslims all around the world oppose this, and Muslims all around the world decry this. Do not judge Islam, or the practitioners of this faith by the political/religious schemings of those who currently hold power.

3) Rather than blaming and hating Islam, support MODERATE Muslims in their attempt to wrest power away from fundamentalists.

Condolenses to London.

Isn't it British custom to refrain from showing emotions? Or something like that?
Brits only, please.

I'm asking cause Blaire doesn't seem to be very emotional and they are interviewing one of the women who was on the train that was blown and she doesn't seem to be showing any emotion either.

It is true that the British are renowned for their stiff upper lip attitude. There may also be shock factoring in as well. These folks have seen things I don't wish on my worst enemy, and it's likely quite traumatic even for those not directly in the area.

It is true that the British are renowned for their stiff upper lip attitude. There may also be shock factoring in as well. These folks have seen things I don't wish on my worst enemy, and it's likely quite traumatic even for those not directly in the area.

Actually it was. I've been at work all day. I knew what was going on, but we're pretty insulated from it all in my office.

When I got home and put the news on I realised that I was shaking and throwing cigarette ash all over the floor.

Sorry...I don't mean to keep going off like that...it's like a tick I can't control, so let me just sum up my point here and leave it at that:

1) The West is not, nor has ever been perfect. We can not judge Islam and practices of Muslims on moral grounds alone, with the idea that we are somehow 'better'. We have GOTTEN better, we are WORKING on improving, but there is no underlying, innate moral superiority at work here.

2) Fundamentalist Islamists have twisted their religion the same way ANY fundamentalist will. Unfortunately, in many Muslim nations, there is no separation of church and state, and so these fundamentalist factions have very real political power to further their aims. Muslims all around the world oppose this, and Muslims all around the world decry this. Do not judge Islam, or the practitioners of this faith by the political/religious schemings of those who currently hold power.

3) Rather than blaming and hating Islam, support MODERATE Muslims in their attempt to wrest power away from fundamentalists.

Can't and don't disagree with that.

interesting. But surely the Brits want to lash out at someone?

interesting. But surely the Brits want to lash out at someone?

Most of us are quite mellow :p

Besides, revenge is a dish best served cold. We'll get these cowards in the end.

What I don't get is that nobody has even considered the possibility that it could be an IRA splinter group. Theyv'e bombed London before in the past, and yet everybody thinks it's Al-queda!

Yes, I know about the letter, but the websitte it was posted on has had false claims made on it before so I take it with a grain of salt.


Of course, this is just my 2 cents, which might not makes sense to some of you, or make some you think I'm a prick, but remember, like everyone right now, this is just on limited information and high emotions

Actually it was. I've been at work all day. I knew what was going on, but we're pretty insulated from it all in my office.

When I got home and put the news on I realised that I was shaking and throwing cigarette ash all over the floor.

*nods*
Been there. It will likely feel worse in the next few days/weeks at the very least. Hang in there, know that there are people who support you and are mourning with you, and try to ignore the unkind and illogical remarks you will hear.

Running on NPR for the last hour:

The two bombs went off in a metro bus area, 37 confirmed dead, 700 wounded. Possible specualtion at this point includes trying to get British troops out of Iraq and disrupting the G8 meeting in Scotland. Tony Blair has already returned to London, being forced to leave the meeting where the G8 were discussing doubling aid to Africa.

interesting. But surely the Brits want to lash out at someone?

we will get them on our terms in our own sweet time

Just have to say hope all of you forum posters from the UK are alright. Hope those responsible for this are found & brought to justice. Take care.

Running on NPR for the last hour:

The two bombs went off in a metro bus area, 37 confirmed dead, 700 wounded. Possible specualtion at this point includes trying to get British troops out of Iraq and disrupting the G8 meeting in Scotland. Tony Blair has already returned to London, being forced to leave the meeting where the G8 were discussing doubling aid to Africa.

No matter what their aim, they will not succeed. We will not be cowed by militants or terrorists. We are a world leader in peace, freedom and democracy. For all that has been lost in Iraq, and although I personally opposed the war, I have to admin that the ends do seem to have justified the means.

Ok, supposing Al-Qaida was out with explosives...
There is one way in which we can avoid these issues of politically motivated vandalism & killing. We can set up a deal with the Islamic world (mostly middle-east) : THEY will hold their Jihads back. But so must WE. We will not make a fuss about what they do in their countries, including honor-based murder, female circumsition and other cultural traits we consider barbaric. We keep our culture on our side, they keep their culture on theirs.

No matter what their aim, they will not succeed. We will not be cowed by militants or terrorists. We are a world leader in peace, freedom and democracy. For all that has been lost in Iraq, and although I personally opposed the war, I have to admin that the ends do seem to have justified the means.

Hmmm...maybe I should become a politician, making speaches like that.

Another tass of victims on the conto of Blair and Bush. Can ayone remember the world how it was before Iraq?

Running on NPR for the last hour:

The two bombs went off in a metro bus area, 37 confirmed dead, 700 wounded. Possible specualtion at this point includes trying to get British troops out of Iraq and disrupting the G8 meeting in Scotland. Tony Blair has already returned to London, being forced to leave the meeting where the G8 were discussing doubling aid to Africa.

They were discussing doubling aid to Africa? That doesn't sound like something a terrorist organization would be against. Perhaps Georgie on the other side of the pool would object it, but I'm not sure.

What I don't get is that nobody has even considered the possibility that it could be an IRA splinter group. Theyv'e bombed London before in the past, and yet everybody thinks it's Al-queda!

Yes, I know about the letter, but the websitte it was posted on has had false claims made on it before so I take it with a grain of salt.


Of course, this is just my 2 cents, which might not makes sense to some of you, or make some you think I'm a prick, but remember, like everyone right now, this is just on limited information and high emotions

until its officially announced we cant say who it is, but regarding the ira, am i not right in thinking when they have bombed us before, its usually been some kind of government/official building, and also they have been pretty quick to take responsibility, and usually phoned a warning through to the police beforehand.

Another tass of victims on the conto of Blair and Bush. Can ayone remember the world how it was before Iraq?

Leave the politics at the door. This is not the thread for it. Show some respect.

Another tass of victims on the conto of Blair and Bush. Can ayone remember the world how it was before Iraq?

It was peaceful. Stagnant, even. I guess we needed the change after the politically correct nineties.

They were discussing doubling aid to Africa? That doesn't sound like something a terrorist organization would be against. Perhaps Georgie on the other side of the pool would object it, but I'm not sure.

Minor Problem. George is in Scotland AT the G-8 meeting where they are discussing this :rolleyes:

interesting. But surely the Brits want to lash out at someone?

Yes. But we want to make sure it is the right someone. Sure we can run around in circles and scream and shout a lot, but w know that that does not help much. What we really want to do is to castrate the bastards that did this, slowly, with a jack hammer.

Another tass of victims on the conto of Blair and Bush. Can ayone remember the world how it was before Iraq?

how selfish

It was peaceful. Stagnant, even. I guess we needed the change after the politically correct nineties.

Azerate, it was anything but Peacefull. Do I have to run down the list of Genocides, wars, and coups for you to understand that?

Leave the politics at the door. This is not the thread for it. Show some respect.

Sorry, but some of us find the happenings suspiciously similar to a terrorist attack, which is quite political indeed :)

how selfish
the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

Azerate, it was anything but Peacefull. Do I have to run down the list of Genocides, wars, and coups for you to understand that?
Sorry. Easy to forget when one lives in scandinavia.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

Now THIS was uncalled for.

Sorry. Easy to forget when one lives in scandinavia.

Hehe. Its ok Azerate :)

Leave the politics at the door. This is not the thread for it. Show some respect.

Look who is talking, the one whit the least respect for every decent form of life and one that is whit his support to the wrong war also responsable for this.
You should shame yourself and excuse for what hapened today.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

Take your opinions elsewhere for now. They are unwarrented, unwanted and offensive.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

actually I was refering to you at taking a cheap swipe at our Prime Minister on the day we got bombed. Bitch about him some other day. Try and score cheap points on a day 37 people dont get killed. Today no matter what our political affiliation, we support our leader and mourn the people who died

Yes. But we want to make sure it is the right someone. Sure we can run around in circles and scream and shout a lot, but w know that that does not help much. What we really want to do is to castrate the bastards that did this, slowly, with a jack hammer.

I'd like to do that to a lot of people.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

how dare you. do you not remember all protests against the war? no one in the end asks to be murdered. think of the families of those killed before you post something like that.

Look who is talking, the one whit the least respect for every decent form of life and one that is whit his support to the wrong war also responsable for this.
You should shame yourself and excuse for what hapened today.

Your the one that is showing disrespect to the people that have been killed in today's autrocity. Show respect for those that have died. You are getting dangerously close to me going off on you.

There has been a growing number of Britains leaving their country as a result.


actually i remember watching a progamme on the increasing number of emmigrating Britons. i think the majority of the people in the programme wished to leave as they didn't agree with recent political decisons, and weren't impressed with the way the country was heading rather than anything else.
plus, i seriously doubt most people would leave the country just becuase some terroists had threatened it, i mean where would they go? apart from very small/remote islands all countries have their share of terrorists.

actually I was refering to you at taking a cheap swipe at our Prime Minister on the day we got bombed. Bitch about him some other day. Try and score cheap points on a day 37 people dont get killed. Today no matter what our political affiliation, we support our leader and mourn the people who died

Well said Gataway, well said.

*hands you a cookie for the remarks*

I just saw a BBC special. I've never seen Euston Road completley deserted before... it is scary, despite what I may have said before

Well, CNN says it was a power surge.in-surge

No matter what their aim, they will not succeed. We will not be cowed by militants or terrorists. We are a world leader in peace, freedom and democracy. For all that has been lost in Iraq, and although I personally opposed the war, I have to admin that the ends do seem to have justified the means.
Are you British? I've applauded the entire country today.

Look who is talking, the one whit the least respect for every decent form of life and one that is whit his support to the wrong war also responsable for this.
You should shame yourself and excuse for what hapened today.

Well, I think we have ourselves a troll.

The dung's just going to start piling up now, isn't it.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

Velo the British nation has suffered a great tragedy. This tragedy has just unfolded and is fresh in their minds. Your comment is inappropriate at this time. Show yourself to be a considerate person. There will be another time and place to discuss possible political connections. Today is not the day. I most sincerely request that you refrain for the time being.

the world?
Thank your pm for what was done, you had it commin!

I have to comment on this as well. I may not like Tony Blair, but he deserves respect for what he has done today. It's people like you who shouldn't be here, in this country, making these sort of comments in the aftermath of an attack that has left 37 dead, and 700 wounded, some critically

Well, I think we have ourselves a troll.

The dung's just going to start piling up now, isn't it.
I second this

*Crack knuckles*Gonna have fun with this one

... It's people like you who shouldn't be here, in this country.what country?

Velo the British nation has suffered a great tragedy. This tragedy has just unfolded and is fresh in their minds. Your comment is inappropriate at this time. Show yourself to be a considerate person. There will be another time and place to discuss possible political connections. Today is not the day. I most sincerely request that you refrain for the time being.

The thing is, saying this now we're still upset and confused, so he can get away with it. Say it tomorrow and we'll hunt him to the ends of the earth. Say it next week and we won't care.

He's not just a troll, but a cowardly troll.

Now THIS was uncalled for.


hmmm to be fair, we DID involve ourselves in that stupid war on iraq,becuase 'terroists' lived there(not to mention all the lovely oil), even though there are pleanty of places that were worse off (and oil-less) but we didn't bother with them. and even though i think it was inspired by the hunt for bin Landen, he still seems to be missing from our grasp, but hey, we caught Saddam,(and all his delicious oil) so everyone seems to be pretending we weren't looking for anyone else.

on the other hand, no one deserves to be blown up because Tony Blair thought it was a good idea to make America think we're cool. not even the Chavs.

what country?
In this case, Britain. I know what I meant, I think I phrased it wrong though

I have to comment on this as well. I may not like Tony Blair, but he deserves respect for what he has done today. It's people like you who shouldn't be here, in this country, making these sort of comments in the aftermath of an attack that has left 37 dead, and 700 wounded, some critically

Agreed. Tony Blair has so far done a grand job of sorting out this problem, including procedures before it happened.

I don't think anyone of any political ideology should try capitaise on such an attack and we should try to work together to make sure it never happens again.

not even the Chavs.

And I can think of plenty of horrible things that the chavs deserve.

The thing is, saying this now we're still upset and confused, so he can get away with it. Say it tomorrow and we'll hunt him to the ends of the earth. Say it next week and we won't care.

He's not just a troll, but a cowardly troll.

No. We hunt now

what country?

Britain.

In this case, Britain. I know what I meant, I think I phrased it wrong though
I dont think he is in Britain.

I know the Jolt Servers are...if thats what you meant.

is Velo in Britain?

I know the Jolt Servers are...if thats what you meant.

It's kinda hard to put into words. You get the jist of what I was on about though? Or not?

No. We hunt now

where does the cycle of violence end? hurt begets hurt, we need to stop it all, not just on a political level but a personal one as well.

It's kinda hard to put into words. You get the jist of what I was on about though? Or not?its a painful day ...hard to express your mind correctly.

The Latest News Article from the Time (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/international/europe/07cnd-explosion.html?hp&ex=1120795200&en=58771b68dfe53a77&ei=5094&partner=homepage)
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4659933.stm)
From USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-london-subway-blast_x.htm)
From the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523169,00.html)
From Aljazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/812224C7-006D-4424-B15B-EC3E8381A4D7.htm)

its a painfull day ...hard to express you r mind correctly.
There you go

hmmm to be fair, we DID involve ourselves in that stupid war on iraq,becuase 'terroists' lived there(not to mention all the lovely oil), even though there are pleanty of places that were worse off (and oil-less) but we didn't bother with them. and even though i think it was inspired by the hunt for bin Landen, he still seems to be missing from our grasp, but hey, we caught Saddam,(and all his delicious oil) so everyone seems to be pretending we weren't looking for anyone else.

on the other hand, no one deserves to be blown up because Tony Blair thought it was a good idea to make America think we're cool. not even the Chavs.

Let's repeat ourselves. We shouldn't use the deaths of innocent people to bitch about Blair. Terrorists do not distinguish between those who they feel 'diserve' to die and the innocent. For that reason alone, I don't think the iraq war connection should be used to get at Blair.

No. We hunt now

*Gets hold of pitchfork*

hummm its a decent tone from AlJazeera...

From Aljazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/812224C7-006D-4424-B15B-EC3E8381A4D7.htm)
Dozens killed in London serial blasts
Thursday 07 July 2005, 19:12 Makka Time, 16:12 GMT

At least 33 people have been killed in a series of four separate explosions in London, the city's police says.

The worst attack on London since the second world war came early on Thursday, just a day after an overjoyed city celebrated its successful bid to hold the 2012 Olympics.
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Emergency teams have been praised for their response

Seven were killed in the first explosion in an underground railway tunnel near Moorgate on the edge of London's financial district, 21 in a second near King's Cross and another five at Edgware Road station in west London.

An unknown number of people also died in a blast on a bus, Deputy Assistant Commissioner of Police Brian Paddick said.

An ambulance service official said that 345 people were injured, 45 of them seriously.

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He said police were examining a claim of responsibility on the internet purportedly on behalf of an organisation linked to al-Qaida, but could not confirm its authenticity.

Let's repeat ourselves. We shouldn't use the deaths of innocent people to bitch about Blair. Terrorists do not distinguish between those who they feel 'diserve' to die and the innocent. For that reason alone, I don't think the iraq war connection should be used to get at Blair.

i see you point, but i voted for the other guy, and i feel i have a right to bitch at blair whenever i want. i'm not saying this day isn't tragic, and that he hasn't handled it well (cause he has) and his recent decsions have in my eyes been better ones, but if he haddn't invloved us in that pointless war, then today would have been about olypmic celebrations and not some sodding extremist group. (assuming thats who did it, if it turns out its someone else then i take back everything and i'm sorry) and i know terroists don't distinguish about who they kill, but i'm pretty sure that british troops have accidentally killed 'innocent' (non arms bearing civillians) in the line of duty as well, so its not just terroists who kill people who weren't prepared for it.

No. We hunt now

*Sharpens Scythe*

...and i know terroists don't distinguish about who they kill, but i'm pretty sure that british troops have accidentally killed 'innocent' (non arms bearing civillians) in the line of duty as well, so its not just terroists who kill people who weren't prepared for it.

And you think that if the Conservatives were in power that wouldn't have happened?

And you think that if the Conservatives were in power that wouldn't have happened?

no, armies accidentally kill the wrong people all the time. not just new labour.

hummm its a decent tone from AlJazeera...

Yah, I was a little surprised. I thought it would try to claim that a local group had done it or something.

And you think that if the Conservatives were in power that wouldn't have happened?
I donr know...
would the Liberal Democrats bring the boys home?

My dad took the tube into work today around 9, and heard the bombs go off from his office. My brother was meant to be going to Russell Square station for 10 this morning at the same time and I didn't know he'd decided not to until I got home.

When the IRA bombed London, they called ahead. I live in Ealing, where an IRA bomb took out a lot of our main street. It was midnight, so no-one died - criminal as such acts are, they are nothing compared to the barbarism of mass-casualty terrorism. These people should be hunted down and shown exactly the mercy they showed to us. I don't think the rest of the civilised world would have much trouble sanctioning their extinction.

These animals are trying to make us change our course. I'm not going to give in. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the governance of the country, my full support is with Tony Blair and the authorities.

Yah, I was a little surprised. I thought it would try to claim that a local group had done it or something.BTW...thx for the AlJazeera link .

I donr know...
would the Liberal Democrats bring the boys home?

To bring troops home just like that *clicks fingers* isn't logistically possible

hmmm to be fair, we DID involve ourselves in that stupid war on iraq,becuase 'terroists' lived there(not to mention all the lovely oil), even though there are pleanty of places that were worse off (and oil-less) but we didn't bother with them. and even though i think it was inspired by the hunt for bin Landen, he still seems to be missing from our grasp, but hey, we caught Saddam,(and all his delicious oil) so everyone seems to be pretending we weren't looking for anyone else.

on the other hand, no one deserves to be blown up because Tony Blair thought it was a good idea to make America think we're cool. not even the Chavs.

Listen, sheep, Britain gets most of its oil from Canada. And I don't know, maybe it's just that you don't drive or something, but if you'd been paying attention you'd know that the price of petrol in Britain is still going up and up (and up). If Bush and Blair did go to war for oil, I'd like to know when I'm going to start seeing the benefits of their evil capitalist crusade, because right now, if my converting skills aren't too rusty, we're paying something like $8 to the gallon over here.

And I don't think people would much care if some of the violent, half-animal "chavs" I've seen beating people with belt buckles from the top floor of buses and harassing my friends for "looking at them" were killed. But that might be being too honest.

These animals are trying to make us change our course. I'm not going to give in. Regardless of my personal beliefs on the governance of the country, my full support is with Tony Blair and the authorities.

*Applauds*Very true. It doesn't matter who you support, for once this nation is united under the banner of grief

To bring troops home just like that *clicks fingers* isn't logistically possiblewhy not possible?

At the risk of going off topic, does anyone think that having ID cards would actually have stopped this?

but i'm pretty sure that british troops have accidentally killed 'innocent' (non arms bearing civillians) in the line of duty as well, so its not just terroists who kill people who weren't prepared for it.

However, the British Army, as an organization, does not want to kill the innocent. The terrorists do however.

All the political parties are working together with Blair to get us out this mess. Even the Lib Dems are, and they're good at whining ;) so we should too.

The best time to get back at Blair will be the ballot box at around 2009.

BTW...thx for the AlJazeera link .
No problem. I thought it only fair to include them.

At the risk of going off topic, does anyone think that having ID cards would actually have stopped this?I dont think so.

At the risk of going off topic, does anyone think that having ID cards would actually have stopped this?

I've had this discussion with Mother.

Answer: No. Fucking. Way.

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I apologise, thats my only flame Iam prepared to acknowledge, the rest I shall simply ignore. :mad:

why not possible?

Think about it. Britain has a fairly large number of troops in Iraq. Alright, so we could just pull everyone out, and fly or sail home. But what would happen in the vacuum that would follow? Anarchy would rule. The provincial government, as of yet, doesn't have the strength to deal with it.

Also, theres the sheer cost of it all. It would cost millions to bring them home in one go, taking things such as fuel and working hours and overtime into account

Look who is talking, the one whit the least respect for every decent form of life and one that is whit his support to the wrong war also responsable for this.
You should shame yourself and excuse for what hapened today.
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I second all of that. Especially the chavs.

why not possible?

Think about it for a second. We're doing a lot of administrative and police work over in Iraq right now. If General Jackson just went "Right lads! We're for the walking ticket!" the nation would dissolve immediately back into chaos. We're still there because the government is requesting our presence remains.

Listen, sheep, Britain gets most of its oil from Canada. And I don't know, maybe it's just that you don't drive or something, but if you'd been paying attention you'd know that the price of petrol in Britain is still going up and up (and up). If Bush and Blair did go to war for oil, I'd like to know when I'm going to start seeing the benefits of their evil capitalist crusade, because right now, if my converting skills aren't too rusty, we're paying something like $8 to the gallon over here.

And I don't think people would much care if some of the violent, half-animal "chavs" I've seen beating people with belt buckles from the top floor of buses and harassing my friends for "looking at them" were killed. But that might be being too honest.

hmm the oil thing was mainly light heart bitter cynical saracasm, but fair enough. and i don't drive, i faaar to lazy.
and i think with th whole chav thing, its ok if the they kill each other, but if some other counrty starts kill them its a different matter. i don't know if you have siblings, but its like that, i could beat the crap out of my brother but if anyone else did it i'd be so mad at them.

At the risk of going off topic, does anyone think that having ID cards would actually have stopped this?

I think having ID cards would result in the British bombing whitehall, personally.

However, the British Army, as an organization, does not want to kill the innocent. The terrorists do however.

All the political parties are working together with Blair to get us out this mess. Even the Lib Dems are, and they're good at whining ;) so we should too.

The best time to get back at Blair will be the ballot box at around 2009.


amen.

hummm its a decent tone from AlJazeera...


You sound surprised.

They're journalists. They've annoyed various governments because they have a tendency to allow everyone to express their opinion; thus the American government hates them (and has dropped bombs on them) for giving al-Qaida a voice in the media, while several Middle-Eastern governments have banned al-Jazeera because they perceive it as having a Western bias!

Also, theres the sheer cost of it all. It would cost millions to bring them home in one go, taking things such as fuel and working hours and overtime into accountI would say it cost millions more to keep them there.

and you will have to bring them home sooner of later...so you will have to pay that expensive transport bill no matter what.

I think having ID cards would result in the British bombing whitehall, personally.
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Edit: what, you mean we'll get really pissed off? just trying to understand

I would say it cost millions more to keep them there.

and we will have to bring them home sooner of later...so we will have to pay that expensive transport bill no matter what.
Shipping them back, little by little, when we are no longer needed there, is more cost-effective than pulling everyone out at once.

Anyway, we're straying off topic

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Edit: what, you mean we'll get really pissed off? just trying to understand

Yeah. I was exaggerating a little bit.

I don't think this was bin Laden's boys. When have they ever tried to duck the blame?
No, this was anti-G8 nutjobs...riots, violence and cowardly murder are standard hallmarks for people of their political stripe, and this is how they show their "anti-poverty" agenda..by murdering innocent commuters. Gets on the news, doesn't it?
A fuel-air bomb over the next riot in Scotland is a good solid retribution.

surely you mean pro-poverty adgenda? the G8 is trying to abolish poverty. unless you mean that the people trying to encourage along the G8 are doing this? if so i don't understand how you arrived at this conclusion?

Posting in a legendary thread. HUZZAH! :cool:

I don't think this was bin Laden's boys. When have they ever tried to duck the blame?
No, this was anti-G8 nutjobs...riots, violence and cowardly murder are standard hallmarks for people of their political stripe, and this is how they show their "anti-poverty" agenda..by murdering innocent commuters. Gets on the news, doesn't it?
A fuel-air bomb over the next riot in Scotland is a good solid retribution.

While normally I'd agree (particularly about the FAB) I don't think this is an anarchist attack. For one thing, it has an air of competency about it. Also, the targets would probably have been closer to the summit itself.

doubt it was against G8 it was probably because we got the olympics and terrorists were trying to see how easy it was to attack us. They probably would have attacked Paris if they'd won the vote

Most of us are quite mellow :p

Besides, revenge is a dish best served cold. We'll get these cowards in the end.

I thought the plan was to take part of Saudi Arabia and make it a new homeland for the Roma (Gypsies)? :D

While normally I'd agree (particularly about the FAB) I don't think this is an anarchist attack. For one thing, it has an air of competency about it. Also, the targets would probably have been closer to the summit itself.

Anyway, this isn't their style.

I don't think this was bin Laden's boys. When have they ever tried to duck the blame?
No, this was anti-G8 nutjobs...riots, violence and cowardly murder are standard hallmarks for people of their political stripe, :rolleyes: slightly tarring everyone with the same brush there?

and this is how they show their "anti-poverty" agenda..by murdering innocent commuters. Gets on the news, doesn't it?
A fuel-air bomb over the next riot in Scotland is a good solid retribution. And what possible motive would anti poverty (who are not necessarily anti G8) campaigners have for killing the people who for the most part support them.
Honestly.

I don't think this was bin Laden's boys. When have they ever tried to duck the blame?
No, this was anti-G8 nutjobs...riots, violence and cowardly murder are standard hallmarks for people of their political stripe, and this is how they show their "anti-poverty" agenda..by murdering innocent commuters. Gets on the news, doesn't it?


You're joking, I assume.

Incidentally, does it strike anyone how the media tend to only show/talk about the violent elements within anti-globalisation protests? And very little about the thousands of people who gather peacefully with legitimate concerns just to register their protest.

I have a friend who was at an anti-globalisation protest in Italy, and it annoys me how such protests get overshadowed in this way.

I don't think this was bin Laden's boys. When have they ever tried to duck the blame?
No, this was anti-G8 nutjobs...riots, violence and cowardly murder are standard hallmarks for people of their political stripe, and this is how they show their "anti-poverty" agenda..by murdering innocent commuters. Gets on the news, doesn't it?
A fuel-air bomb over the next riot in Scotland is a good solid retribution.

Al Qaeda have rarely directly taken the blame for any of the attacks. Al Qaeda is not some tight organisation, it is a loose alliance of islamic fundamentalists who may or may not be funded by Osama Bin Laden and a useful label for the West to apply to the enemy. Al Qaeda did not even refer to themselves as Al Qaeda until after the 9/11.

Which is also why holding Al Qaeda members in Guantanamo Bay in the hope of getting any relevant information from them. How would an Al Qaeda grunt from Afghanistan or Iraq or any other country know any details of planned attacks by this nebulous organisation in another country?

If you think it was G8 protestors, I have a bridge to sell you.

Apparently they believe the bomb on the bus was a suicide bomb. I've heard from someone watching that there's blood actually splattered on the nearby buildings.

This is disgusting. The people on the bus didn't stand a chance.

Al Qaeda have rarely directly taken the blame for any of the attacks. Al Qaeda is not some tight organisation, it is a loose alliance of islamic fundamentalists who may or may not be funded by Osama Bin Laden and a useful label for the West to apply to the enemy. Al Qaeda did not even refer to themselves as Al Qaeda until after the 9/11.

Which is also why holding Al Qaeda members in Guantanamo Bay in the hope of getting any relevant information from them. How would an Al Qaeda grunt from Afghanistan or Iraq or any other country know any details of planned attacks by this nebulous organisation in another country?You're right. Just out of curiosity did you watch 'The Power of Nightmares' on UK TV a while ago? 'Al-Qaeda' is only used to as a front name, for people or groups of people who share the same ideology and motivation.

doubt it was against G8 it was probably because we got the olympics and terrorists were trying to see how easy it was to attack us. They probably would have attacked Paris if they'd won the vote

No, this had to have been planned a long time ago. They'd have attacked London anyway.

Apparently they believe the bomb on the bus was a suicide bomb. I've heard from someone watching that there's blood actually splattered on the nearby buildings.

This is disgusting. The people on the bus didn't stand a chance.

That is correct. London police have said the bomb on the bus was by a suicide bomber.

Think about it. Britain has a fairly large number of troops in Iraq. Alright, so we could just pull everyone out, and fly or sail home. But what would happen in the vacuum that would follow? Anarchy would rule. The provincial government, as of yet, doesn't have the strength to deal with it.


Your acting as if the British are the major country in Iraq... let me tell you this. If the UNITED STATES pulled out, Iraq would collapse. If Britain pulled out, all that would be needed is for the United States to send more troops(if the nutjob in the White House(Bush) would auhorize it)

Your acting as if the British are the major country in Iraq... let me tell you this. If the UNITED STATES pulled out, Iraq would collapse. If Britain pulled out, all that would be needed is for the United States to send more troops(if the nutjob in the White House(Bush) would auhorize it)
Maybe,. But look who has lost more troops in this so-called 'peace'... that's right, the US. The Uk forces have a far better track record at keeping the fragile peace

I'd just like to point out that this is the sort of thing that happens to Iraqis every day.

I'd just like to point out that terrorism has been going on for a lot longer period of time than we've been in Iraq. If everyone pulled out of Iraq, there would still be terrorism all over the world. This is not a US/GB problem, this is a global problem.

I'd just like to point out that this is the sort of thing that happens to Iraqis every day.

Did Iraq build a subway system secretly without me knowing about it? And do they even have a bus system?