NationStates Jolt Archive

Is anyone seeing Blair talking agai?

Yeah. It's all the G8 leaders. I imagine more than one of them will speak.

I'm going to bed seeing as it's 5 past 10 pm here, but my thoughts are with all those who have been affected by the attacks. Don't let fear and hate for those who did this take over. Keep the love for all your friends and families close to you. Anyway, good night.

Fatalities at Edgware Rd - adds to those at Aldgate East and Kings Cross.

They are saying that the bus explosion and perhaps one of the subway explosions were indeed suicide bombers.
According to the beeb, it's looking more and more like A-Q.

IT was going to happen sometime, I just hopeed it wouldn't, they arn't as toothless as we've been led to balive.

Bastards. I have lots of muslim freinds, hell theres a few where I'm working now, none of them agree with it. They are insane.

First, people with relatives etc in London - don't get too panicky. There's around 12 - 15 million people in London on any given day and nearly all of them will be unaffected.
I know, the chances of our friends and relatives being among the casualties is very slim. Unfortunately for some statistics aren't relevant, because they make upt the tiny percentage of those who are among those casualties.


As for those of you who think this is a major shock to the British system, think again. I've been around for 2 bombs in Manchester and a mortar attack on Heathrow airport, my sister was about 30 yards from a bomb blast in Warrington, my father has been present for 2 attacks in Manchester. It happens, we're used to it. If you give in, if you panic, if you curtail civil liberties, they've won because that's what they want.
Couldn't agree more!!

Is anyone seeing Blair talking agai?

Yep. And BUSH IS STANDING NEXT TO CHIRAC!!!

Ah yes, the Brits, those damn zionists.....?
Did they take a wrong turn somewhere and end up in London instead of Tel Aviv?
Anyone Al-Qaeda don't like is a Zionist. Probably because they don't condemn th very existence of Israel. Or possibly the very existence of Jews...

Just making sure. :)

"we shall prevail and they shall not" Blair

Surprise second statement by Blair!
Very serious Bush and Chirac standing in the picture.

Yep. And BUSH IS STANDING NEXT TO CHIRAC!!!

Har har har.

We condemn these barbaric attacks and send our profound condolences to the victims and their families. All our countries have suffered terrorism, those responsible have no respect for human life. This is an attack on all nations, and on civilized people. We will not allow violence to change our societies or our values, nor will we allow it to stop the work of this summit. Here at this summit, the worlds leaders are striving to combat world poverty and improve human life. The perpetrators of todays attacks, are intent on destroying human life. The terrorists will not suceed. Todays bombings will not our will to defeat those who would impose fanaticism and extremism on us. We shall prevail, they will not.

Said by Blair, in the name of all the leaders.

Yep. And BUSH IS STANDING NEXT TO CHIRAC!!!

I did see that. I guess its let bygons be bygons! :D

Damnit. I wanted some of the other leaders to show solidarity and all that nice stuff.

Har har har.
:confused:

Huh?

Also - over 100 casualties at Royal London Hospital, and a further 26 at St. Mary's Hospital. That's from the BBC website, last updated 12.53 BST (11.53 GMt)

Madrid was done with backpacks and mobile phones, and if it wasn't AQ, it was at least some Arabs, they blew themselves up in that apartment building later.
Or am I mixing things up?

Oh I don't know ... I tend not to keep tabs on Al-Q. Much more capable people than I are busy with that.

:confused:

Huh?

You said it like it was a huge shocker. Which I suppose it is.

I'm watching the coverage on Sky News. Words just can't express how shocking and horrible these disgusting cowardly attacks really are.

I send my thoughts and sympathy to all the people of London and the UK. Stand strong and don't let the bastards beat you.

A report on MSNBC is quoting London police stating there are TWO confirmed deaths and AT LEAST SIX explosions. I think there are many,many injured people.

I truly hope they are able to sort this all out and get it under control quickly, at least to control the panic factor.

My best wishes to all those in England, hoping they can contact and account for family and friends quickly.

I did see that. I guess its let bygons be bygons! :D

France had to deal with terrorism during the Algerian War in the 50s/60s. I suspect that we're going to see a big US/France reconcilliation in the very near future...

Damnit. I wanted some of the other leaders to show solidarity and all that nice stuff.

They will in time, but Chirac, Blair and Bush are the most powerful, they were given the first chance.

BBC: 183 injured at Royal London.
120 something released already.

they are using buses to ferry casualties to hospital...buses for god sake, what that says to me is HUGE numbers...

7 explosians 3 deaths, 3 people seriously injured, 6 critical.

France had to deal with terrorism during the Algerian War in the 50s/60s. I suspect that we're going to see a big US/France reconcilliation in the very near future...

I'm sure now that what the G8 was going to talk about is wiped off the table. Look for a G-8 agreement on Terrorism instead.

they are using buses to ferry casualties to hospital...buses for god sake, what that says to me is HUGE numbers...
Well there 100, hopefully not all serious.

there have been tererest attacks in britain for years its virtuly imposable to stop them, america thorght no body could attack them before 9/11 no country is safe no matter how good there security is in stopping tererists getting into the country any one could be a terrerist i wish people would stop blaming muslims. it ccould have been the I.R.A it could have been someone who who doesnt like the brittish. you carnt stop tererists getting guns and explosives into the country. Remember the bomb in that conservitive meeting in that hotal they probibly had good security. :mad: :confused: remember that iranian embersy they couldnt stop that.

I'm sure now that what the G8 was going to talk about is wiped off the table. Look for a G-8 agreement on Terrorism instead.
Yes, and Blair pushing for ID cards real hard.

they are using buses to ferry casualties to hospital...buses for god sake, what that says to me is HUGE numbers...

Or lack of immediate resources.

they are using buses to ferry casualties to hospital...buses for god sake, what that says to me is HUGE numbers...

There's bound to be a large number of casualties with 6 bombs. Its seems there arent many fatalities yet, but since we dont know whats happening at 3 of the sites, its bound to rise.

France had to deal with terrorism during the Algerian War in the 50s/60s. I suspect that we're going to see a big US/France reconcilliation in the very near future...

The Parisian subways have been the targets of terrorist attacks in the past, so I imagine this strikes very close to home.

they are using buses to ferry casualties to hospital...buses for god sake, what that says to me is HUGE numbers...
Well, at the very least, the ambulance services are swamped... I heard one of the ambulance workers give a statement to that effect... Plus, seeing as no buses are running, there are plenty spare. But, yeah, it does smack of huge casualties... We've only heard two officially, but... oh, I forget the name... (Karlumania, maybe?) who works in a hospital says that there's sixteen dead for just that one hospital, from just the one attack on King's Cross. I think we're looking at another Madrid here... Hopefully not.

there have been tererest attacks in britain for years its virtuly imposable to stop them, america thorght no body could attack them before 9/11 no country is safe no matter how good there security is in stopping tererists getting into the country any one could be a terrerist i wish people would stop blaming muslims. it ccould have been the I.R.A it could have been someone who who doesnt like the brittish. you carnt stop tererists getting guns and explosives into the country. Remember the bomb in that conservitive meeting in that hotal they probibly had good security. :mad: :confused:
Dosn't make it any better. We can't stop them all, but we can do there best, can't be the IRA they're in disarray.

7 explosians 3 deaths, 3 people seriously injured, 6 critical.
BBC website has 7 explosions, unconfirmed number of deaths (at least 2), at least 4 critically injured, and at least 8 seriously injured.

there have been tererest attacks in britain for years its virtuly imposable to stop them, america thorght no body could attack them before 9/11 no country is safe no matter how good there security is in stopping tererists getting into the country any one could be a terrerist i wish people would stop blaming muslims. it ccould have been the I.R.A it could have been someone who who doesnt like the brittish. you carnt stop tererists getting guns and explosives into the country. Remember the bomb in that conservitive meeting in that hotal they probibly had good security. :mad: :confused:

I suggest you look at the history of Terrorism on US Soil. I could list most of them by memory dating from 1993 :mad:

...it ccould have been the I.R.A...
We spoke about that, and in a previous post we posted the statement that seems to be claiming responsibility by an AQ group.
EDIT: Page 33.

Yes, and Blair pushing for ID cards real hard.

I hope he has the sense to resign soon, and not use this as an excuse to stay on longer. Saddly I agree that this will probably ensure the acursed ID cards

I wonder if the Tour de France will be affected by this in any way.

Well, at the very least, the ambulance services are swamped... I heard one of the ambulance workers give a statement to that effect... Plus, seeing as no buses are running, there are plenty spare. But, yeah, it does smack of huge casualties... We've only heard two officially, but... oh, I forget the name... (Karlumania, maybe?) who works in a hospital says that there's sixteen dead for just that one hospital, from just the one attack on King's Cross. I think we're looking at another Madrid here... Hopefully not.
3 now I think.

All this going on the day after we win the 2012 olympics! Coincidence?

Be sensible, it takes more than ONE DAY to plan something of this magnitude, even if we had lost the 2012 olympics bid, it would still have happened, it has nothing to do with that!! It's the G8!! Al quaida has apperently admitted to it!!!!

Wonder is security was a little lighter because they were busy protecting the G8 people. Ah well nothing you can do about it except maybe become a closed society to protect yourself. That or wake up to the fact that this is the muslim crusades era and its time to get them out of your country and damn any PC bullshit about it.

You said it like it was a huge shocker. Which I suppose it is.

Yes... given how Franco-American relations have been since Iraq, yes, it was a pretty big shock. I would have expected Silvio Berlusconi (Italy). Maybe even Vladimir Putin (Russia), or Paul Martin (Canada). But Chirac?!? Wow.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

I wonder if the Tour de France will be affected by this in any way.

I doubt it!

BBC website has 7 explosions, unconfirmed number of deaths (at least 2), at least 4 critically injured, and at least 8 seriously injured.
Changed since I last looked

I wonder if the Tour de France will be affected by this in any way.

I dont think so, unless bombs start going off in Paris.

Eyewitness reports:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523183,00.html

BBC Reporters' Log: London explosions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659511.stm

Yes... given how Franco-American relations have been since Iraq, yes, it was a pretty big shock. I would have expected Silvio Berlusconi (Italy). Maybe even Vladimir Putin (Russia), or Paul Martin (Canada). But Chirac?!? Wow.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

Speaking of Berlusconi, I would have expected him to say something, since the group responsible specifically threatened Italy.

there have been tererest attacks in britain for years its virtuly imposable to stop them, america thorght no body could attack them before 9/11 no country is safe no matter how good there security is in stopping tererists getting into the country any one could be a terrerist i wish people would stop blaming muslims. it ccould have been the I.R.A it could have been someone who who doesnt like the brittish. you carnt stop tererists getting guns and explosives into the country. Remember the bomb in that conservitive meeting in that hotal they probibly had good security. :mad: :confused:

Emmm, right. The IRA have not done anything like this for coming up on a decade. The people who know how are more than likely retired and disenchanted with the IRA, or converts to the peace process. And, the IRA has a chance of moving away from terrorism. If they were stupid enough to do this... well, bye-bye all of Sinn Féin's hard-won electoral gains over the past twenty years. It's sooo unlikely to be the IRA. As for the splinter groups, as far as I know, neither the Real nor Continuity IRAs have the capabilties to do this. So, all fingers point to Islamic terrorism, specifically Al-Qaeda, as they're the only other group I can think of with a beef with Britain.

Yes, and Blair pushing for ID cards real hard.

Meh, though if it was AQ, they have probably been in the country a while. Overtly being law abiding citizens, and if ID cards were introduced 5 years ago, they'd probably have had them.

The Queen is not a political leader. Never has been, Oliver Cromwell put paid to that.

Pardon. So she is the country's supreme ambassador/figurehead/mother figure?

Let's not split hairs on what is, ultimately, not precisely the most important detail of today's events, shall we?

And do us a favor and stick with black, will you?

Yes... given how Franco-American relations have been since Iraq, yes, it was a pretty big shock. I would have expected Silvio Berlusconi (Italy). Maybe even Vladimir Putin (Russia), or Paul Martin (Canada). But Chirac?!? Wow.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg


Why is Chirac such a shock, Chirac is President of the French Republic, Arguably the next most powerful country (in forieng policy) in the world, and Britain's second oldest allie (Portugal is not in the G8)

FTSE 100, Dax and Cac have all recovered slightly now - FTSE only down 118, Dax down 99 and Cac down 113.

I dont think so, unless bombs start going off in Paris.

On the other hand, who gives a toss it's a f***ing sport it is NOT IMPORTANT IN ANY WAY ... especially not today!!!!!!! Is that all you care about???? People have DIED!! I rather think sport DOES NOT MATTER!!

Be sensible, it takes more than ONE DAY to plan something of this magnitude, even if we had lost the 2012 olympics bid, it would still have happened, it has nothing to do with that!! It's the G8!! Al quaida has apperently admitted to it!!!!
It's G8, you can't plan and create all this within 1 day.

The one thing that might help in the investigation after this is all over is the proliferation of CCTV cameras all over London.

You'll be able to see who went into the stations, who boarded buses, etc.

Emmm, right. The IRA have not done anything like this for coming up on a decade. The people who know how are more than likely retired and disenchanted with the IRA, or converts to the peace process. And, the IRA has a chance of moving away from terrorism. If they were stupid enough to do this... well, bye-bye all of Sinn Féin's hard-won electoral gains over the past twenty years. It's sooo unlikely to be the IRA. As for the splinter groups, as far as I know, neither the Real nor Continuity IRAs have the capabilties to do this. So, all fingers point to Islamic terrorism, specifically Al-Qaeda, as they're the only other group I can think of with a beef with Britain.

Especially considering a cell of Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility already.

Blair is Leaving the G-8 Summit as we speak.

The Parisian subways have been the targets of terrorist attacks in the past, so I imagine this strikes very close to home.

Ayep.
And Moscow's. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5877038/
And Tokyo's (the gas attack like 10 years ago...)

Meh, though if it was AQ, they have probably been in the country a while. Overtly being law abiding citizens, and if ID cards were introduced 5 years ago, they'd probably have had them.
I know, what could ID cards do?

Why is Chirac such a shock, Chirac is President of the French Republic, Arguably the next most powerful country (in forieng policy) in the world, and Britain's second oldest allie (Portugal is not in the G8)

The shock is having Bush and Chirac next to one another, considering the cold American-French relations at present.

It's G8, you can't plan and create all this within 1 day.

I know, that's what I said!

More reports from eyewitnesses:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4659237.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659633.stm

On the other hand, who gives a toss it's a f***ing sport it is NOT IMPORTANT IN ANY WAY ... especially not today!!!!!!! Is that all you care about???? People have DIED!! I rather think sport DOES NOT MATTER!!

Ok Ok, I just dismissed a post asking if the tour would be delayed. I dont think it matters either which is why it was just a quick reply.

The one thing that might help in the investigation after this is all over is the proliferation of CCTV cameras all over London.

You'll be able to see who went into the stations, who boarded buses, etc.

They'll already be doing that

Especially considering a cell of Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility already.
Aye. I know. The guy I was replying to obviously doesn't.

Ayep.
And Moscow's. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5877038/
And Tokyo's (the gas attack like 10 years ago...)

Yes, the Chechens, and that crazy cult.

A message from a friend of mine in London:

"I counted at least 4 bodies at my spot. Plus two that died shortly afterwards. We used the window panels of the bus to carry people.

I tell you I could have lived without seeing this."

The shock is having Bush and Chirac next to one another, considering the cold American-French relations at present.
Officially the relations aren't cold at all. And they weren't hugging or anything, they just happened to stand next to each other.
They wouldn't have demonstrated being at odds anyways considering the situation.

Why is Chirac such a shock, Chirac is President of the French Republic, Arguably the next most powerful country (in forieng policy) in the world, and Britain's second oldest allie (Portugal is not in the G8)

My point (a few pages back now, I suspect, since this thread is so fast!) was that Chirac was standing next to Bush.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

The shock is having Bush and Chirac next to one another, considering the cold American-French relations at present.

The two of them together really indicates that it is about supporting Britain, not their own egos.

The one thing that might help in the investigation after this is all over is the proliferation of CCTV cameras all over London.

You'll be able to see who went into the stations, who boarded buses, etc.
But if there suicide bombers then it dosn't matter who they are.

Especially considering a cell of Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility already.

They'd probably claim responsibility even if they didnt do it. Though I dont think the IRA or any affiliated groups did it and theres not really anyone else so an Islamist group does look very likely.

That or wake up to the fact that this is the muslim crusades era and its time to get them out of your country and damn any PC bullshit about it.

:rolleyes:

Wondered how long that would take.

Ok Ok, I just dismissed a post asking if the tour would be delayed. I dont think it matters either which is why it was just a quick reply.
Ok, sorry. If you hadn't noticed I get a bit carried away when all people seem to care about is their team winning or whether a sporting event is still on after something like today - if I had my way all sporting activities would be stopped for at least a week after this.

A message from a friend of mine in London:

"I counted at least 4 bodies at my spot. Plus two that died shortly afterwards. We used the window panels of the bus to carry people.

I tell you I could have lived without seeing this."


I wish that I could do or say something to help...I send your friend my heart felt wishes.

But if there suicide bombers then it dosn't matter who they are.
Even the dead have friends who are alive. If they were suicide bombers, they had friends and accomplices who are still in the UK.

A message from a friend of mine in London:

"I counted at least 4 bodies at my spot. Plus two that died shortly afterwards. We used the window panels of the bus to carry people.

I tell you I could have lived without seeing this."
Was he okay?

My point (a few pages back now, I suspect, since this thread is so fast!) was that Chirac was standing next to Bush.
It's not as if they were standing particularly close to each other...

Ok, sorry. If you hadn't noticed I get a bit carried away when all people seem to care about is their team winning or whether a sporting event is still on after something like today - if I had my way all sporting activities would be stopped for at least a week after this.
And then they win. That's exactly what terrorists want - for people to mess up their lives because of what they do, run scared, and hide. It's much bettr to go on with the sporting events, and have a minute's silence for people. It shows that tehy're being remembered, and the people who did this don't win.

Even the dead have friends who are alive. If they were suicide bombers, they had friends and accomplices who are still in the UK.
Alright. So, in quite a few cases, the fact these people don't know that person is a suicide bomber/ political extremist doesn't enter into your equation

Even the dead have friends who are alive. If they were suicide bombers, they had friends and accomplices who are still in the UK.
Good point, lets hope we can catch them.

I wish that I could do or say something to help...I send your friend my heart felt wishes.

He's an emergency services worker in London. He managed to send me a single text message on his mobile. I wasn't able to send one back. Apparently, the network in London is in "Emergency Services Mode", which means that people aren't going to be able to use their mobile downtown.

And then they win. That's exactly what terrorists want - for people to mess up their lives because of what they do, run scared, and hide. It's much bettr to go on with the sporting events, and have a minute's silence for people. It shows that tehy're being remembered, and the people who did this don't win.

They've won anyway!! They've killed people, that was their aim, to kill!! nothing else!!

And then they win. That's exactly what terrorists want - for people to mess up their lives because of what they do, run scared, and hide. It's much bettr to go on with the sporting events, and have a minute's silence for people. It shows that tehy're being remembered, and the people who did this don't win.
the cricket is still going :)
although it does kind of put in perspective

Anyone else see Bush right now?

They've won anyway!! They've killed people, that was their aim, to kill!! nothing else!!
No, they haven't won. They can't win, unless we let them. If they manage not only to disrupt our lives briefly, but permanently, then they have won.

As Queen sang: The Show MUST Go On!

They've won anyway!! They've killed people, that was their aim, to kill!! nothing else!!

That's bollocks. If their aim was to kill they wouldn't have attacked London the way they have. They've brought panic and mayhem to the city. I climate of fear. They've damaged country economically and morally, fatalities are very low compared to say Bahli or Madrid. I really hope we don't see many more injured or killed. :(

They've won anyway!! They've killed people, that was their aim, to kill!! nothing else!!
Right then, they have 'won'. But do you want them to 'win' more? Do you want them to destroy the lives of everyone? I think it's a much more fitting memorial to victims of terrorism to show the world that you don't give in than to stop everything.
And terrorists don't just want to kill. That's a secondary goal - a bonus to them. What they want is to scare you - that's where the get the name from.

A few words by Bush just then.
Nothing new, just the usual "War against Terror" stuff, and a quick mention about how impressed he was with the British response and Emergency services.

It's not as if they were standing particularly close to each other...

In politics, image is everything. Who gets what spot at the table, who is where in the photo-op, etc. I just have a gut feeling that the positions were deliberate. They have people who's job is to do nothing but just figure things like this out for image purposes...

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

I can only say this. What goes aroun comes around. Our government has been killing inocent people in Irak for 10 years....


Mr. Dillon
Trolling will get you nowhere sonny

1200 Israeli embassy in London placed under a state of emergency, amid reports of all phone lines being down, Associated Press says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659331.stm

Anybody got more news on this?

They've won anyway!! They've killed people, that was their aim, to kill!! nothing else!!

That is far too simplistic a view. Terrorism that we have today is an evolution of gerillar warfare and resistance principals, and rarely have no purpose whatsoever. While I am not condoning these actions, there will always be an underlining motivation which is more complex than simple prejudice

That's bollocks. If their aim was to kill they wouldn't have attacked London the way they have. They've brought panic and mayhem to the city. I climate of fear. They've damaged country economically and morally, fatalities are very low compared to say Bahli or Madrid. I really hope we don't see many more injured or killed. :(

We've lost, because people have died....it is impossible for us to, as you so distustingly put it, win because PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT??

Now the Queen made a statement as well.
Shocked...Sympathy...Admiration...
Nothing new either.

I fear for the consequences of this. We have a very large muslim community here and I fear that some will hold them responsible. The BNP may also seek to capitalise on this. We must make sure that this does not happen.

13:23 The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, says: "London has been the target of a cowardly terrorist attack. Londoners have responded calmly and courageously.

"I commend the professionalism, courage of the Metropolitan Police, Transport for London staff, the Ambulance, Fire and other emergency services.

"Innocent people going from all of London's communities have been targeted by this indiscriminate attack. I urge Londoners from all of this city's diverse communities and faiths to support one another and stand together against terrorism."

In the 70's/80's there where a lot of IRA bombings.
Yeah, I meant unrelated to Northern Ireland - or prior to Irish independence Ireland as a whole.

That's bollocks. If their aim was to kill they wouldn't have attacked London the way they have. They've brought panic and mayhem to the city. I climate of fear. They've damaged country economically and morally, fatalities are very low compared to say Bahli or Madrid. I really hope we don't see many more injured or killed. :(
There aim is to disrupt, to make us fear them. Not to kill, if they wanted to kill theres far more effective ways to do it,

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.

We have a very large muslim community here and I fear that some will hold them responsible.

It remains to be seen whether the people who did this had any accomplices who are still in the UK.

I fear for the consequences of this. We have a very large muslim community here and I fear that some will hold them responsible. The BNP may also seek to capitalise on this. We must make sure that this does not happen.
Look back a few pages-they have.

bush was talking just now on sky there have been lots of terrorist attacks in brittain thrugh history there was one in the traford center in manchester some one train stations now there arnt bins on platforms im sure there were some in london there was an attack on a hotel where the hole off the goverment were staying and a fuw atempted reverlution thrugh history

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.

Ice fishing with Dobbs sounds better and better every day, doesn't it?

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.


Dobbs.
it is hard to keep up with

We've lost, because people have died....it is impossible for us to, as you so distustingly put it, win because PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT??
Yes, people have died. But, if you let the terrorists destroy the lives of the living, then they win more.

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.
Thanks Dabbs,

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.

Thank you for that, its nice to seee how many people are coming together in support and, as an English girl with a Canadian boyfriend, I know that people from around the world do feel an afinity with each other, especially at times of horror. BIG HUG to Dobbs.

I know, listen mate, innocent people have died, not soildiers, not murderers, inncoents! What did they do wrong.

Exactly ... and it is an affront to everything I hold to be true and just. What I feel is not sadness at this point, but anger. Raw, passionate, and very, very real anger.

I'm angry because of the endless promises the leaders of my country made that the world would be a safer place.

I'm angry because this will escalate the War on Terror, leading to more death and destruction, economic collapse, and hatred.

I'm angry because the people who did this are people who are taking my beautiful and loving and peaceful religion and stirring up so much hatred that I probably won't be able to go to the grocery store for a couple of weeks without being harrassed.

I'm angry that there isn't thing one I can do about it.

But, mostly, I'm angry because this could have been prevented, but nobody seems to have the balls to just do what is needed.

bush was talking just now on sky there have been lots of terrorist attacks in brittain there was one in the traford center in manchester some one train stations now there arnt bins on platforms im sure there were some in london there was an attack on a hotel where the hole off the goverment were staying and a fuw atempted reverlution thrugh history
?????? try piunctuation and spelling.

-snip-
a) Please type more slowly. There is just too many spelling mistakes in your post.
b) This was started as a "news" thread. Please stick to the news, it's too early to start slinging mud.

bush was talking just now on sky there have been lots of terrorist attacks in brittain thrugh history there was one in the traford center in manchester some one train stations now there arnt bins on platforms im sure there were some in london there was an attack on a hotel where the hole off the goverment were staying and a fuw atempted reverlution thrugh history
Your point?

We've lost, because people have died....it is impossible for us to, as you so distustingly put it, win because PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT??

No point in even bothering to argue with them, Of the underpants -- I heard this same shit in 2001.

The warhawks will crow about their grand and glorious view of victory, and the apologists will blame the victims. Seems like simple human decency goes straight out the window with the least chance to score points for one's political views.

You've my deepest sympathy.

Exactly ... and it is an affront to everything I hold to be true and just. What I feel is not sadness at this point, but anger. Raw, passionate, and very, very real anger.

I'm angry because of the endless promises the leaders of my country made that the world would be a safer place.

I'm angry because this will escalate the War on Terror, leading to more death and destruction, economic collapse, and hatred.

I'm angry because the people who did this are people who are taking my beautiful and loving and peaceful religion and stirring up so much hatred that I probably won't be able to go to the grocery store for a couple of weeks without being harrassed.

I'm angry that there isn't thing one I can do about it.

But, mostly, I'm angry because this could have been prevented, but nobody seems to have the balls to just do what is needed.
I know, it's a vicous circle, they attack us we attack them and so on....

How could we have prevented it?

We've lost, because people have died....it is impossible for us to, as you so distustingly put it, win because PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT??
No, the terrorists have managed a small victory today, but they haven't won.

Every life is precious, but we as a (semi-unified) culture have not lost. We would only lose if we gave in and changed our way of life.

Remember the Olympic Summer Games in Munich 1972:
The Munich Games were marred by an act of terrorism, known as the Munich Massacre. On September 5, Palestinian terrorists killed 2 Israeli athletes and took 9 hostage. After a failed rescue attempt, all hostages and all but three of terrorists were killed. All Olympic events were suspended for one day after the terrorist action became known. They were continued a day later, although some athletes decided to leave Munich.
(Source: Wikipedia)

bush was talking just now on sky there have been lots of terrorist attacks in brittain thrugh history there was one in the traford center in manchester some one train stations now there arnt bins on platforms im sure there were some in london there was an attack on a hotel where the hole off the goverment were staying and a fuw atempted reverlution thrugh history

The trafford centre has never been attacked..... The Arndale Centre was damaged in the Marks and Spencers bombing.

No point in even bothering to argue with them, Of the underpants -- I heard this same shit in 2001.

The warhawks will crow about their grand and glorious view of victory, and the apologists will blame the victims. Seems like simple human decency goes straight out the window with the least chance to score points for one's political views.

You've my deepest sympathy.
We're not arguing about politics here... We're saying that if you give in to the terrorists, and stop everything, then they 'win' even more.

It's 10:41pm here, I'm out.
I'll be back tomorrow.

No point in even bothering to argue with them, Of the underpants -- I heard this same shit in 2001.

The warhawks will crow about their grand and glorious view of victory, and the apologists will blame the victims. Seems like simple human decency goes straight out the window with the least chance to score points for one's political views.

You've my deepest sympathy.
Aye, theres alway some evil person who has no sympathy and sees this as a chance to argue there point or make some political gain.

No point in even bothering to argue with them, Of the underpants -- I heard this same shit in 2001.

The warhawks will crow about their grand and glorious view of victory, and the apologists will blame the victims. Seems like simple human decency goes straight out the window with the least chance to score points for one's political views.

You've my deepest sympathy.

I knew I liked you, thank you.

We've lost, because people have died....it is impossible for us to, as you so distustingly put it, win because PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT??

People die everyday in all sorts of manners. Car accidents, fires, disease, violent crimes you name it. But most people don't let that usually phase them.

But when you use a bomb and take a relatively small amount of people down, they get frightened, they get paranoid. That is the purpose of terrorism. To cause fear and strong emotions among the target population so as to force the hand of the government.

If their goal was to just kill as many as possible, there are far better ways to do it. Bombs in a shopping mall filled with nails on a sale? Or perhaps under the benches of a stadium? That won't disrupt the system very much. But what was done here apparently paralyzed London. Which is most likely their goal.

If we lost because people have died, then humanity has lost ever since the species came about.

Al Qaeda has just claimed responsibility for several blasts in London. What goings on? I just woke up.
Read all pages. They'll probably make for fascinating reading and convey a good sense of what happened.
It's almost like a chronicle of events.

Read all pages. They'll probably make for fascinating reading and convey a good sense of what happened.
It's almost like a chronicle of events.

Yeah. It's only 640 posts. :p

?????? try piunctuation and spelling.

Let's not use this as a forum to taunt new posters, shall we? (And no, not an official warning. Just trying to keep things from getting too toasty in here.)

Al Qaeda has just claimed responsibility for several blasts in London. What goings on? I just woke up.
A website claiming to be part of an organisation called Secret Al Qaeda in Europe (approximately I think) has claimed responsibility but it is being treated with scepticism.

Al Qaeda has just claimed responsibility for several blasts in London. What goings on? I just woke up.

Multiple blasts by terrorists in the Tube and bus system of London. 2 confirmed deaths, 100 injured.

It's bad. All bad.

Al Qaeda has just claimed responsibility for several blasts in London. What goings on? I just woke up.
7 bombs have gone off it London, 2/3 confirmed dead, hundreds injured, AQ have claimed responablitlty.

you realise an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. if we cant rise above the terrorists then we loose the high ground, as it were, by coninueing as normal and not becoming enthralled in racist "carpet-bomb" statements. what is need is justice, not vengance.

No, the terrorists have managed a small victory today, but they haven't won.

Every life is precious, but we as a (semi-unified) culture have not lost. We would only lose if we gave in and changed our way of life.

Remember the Olympic Summer Games in Munich 1972:

(Source: Wikipedia)

Exactly. These cowards strike in this fashion time and time again. The IRA and Libya have both given up terrorism, as it doesn't work. Let's hope this will not soon be forgotten and treated as blase, as 9/11 and Spain seemingly have become/ :(

Let's hope this list doesn't get much longer:
http://www.answers.com/terrorist%20incident

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

But when you use a bomb and take a relatively small amount of people down, they get frightened, they get paranoid. That is the purpose of terrorism. To cause fear and strong emotions among the target population so as to force the hand of the government.

That's why it's called TERRORism!

Let's not use this as a forum to taunt new posters, shall we? (And no, not an official warning. Just trying to keep things from getting too toasty in here.)
Sorry.

you realise an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. if we cant rise above the terrorists then we loose the high ground, as it were, by coninueing as normal and not becoming enthralled in racist "carpet-bomb" statements. what is need is justice, not vengance.
justice by ignoring them and hoping they go away?

How could we have prevented it?

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.

Tragic. My condolances to all involved and affected by this violence.

Emmm, right. The IRA have not done anything like this for coming up on a decade.

Actually the IRA set off a large bomb at the BBC in the last 5 years. I can't recall the exact date, but it rattled the windows of my apartment.

Latest news from here is that we are still waiting for the majority of the causalties to come from Kings Cross, which is less than 5 minutes from the hospital. This indicates that most of the casualties are still trapped underground.

you realise an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. if we cant rise above the terrorists then we loose the high ground, as it were, by coninueing as normal and not becoming enthralled in racist "carpet-bomb" statements. what is need is justice, not vengance.

I agree. The last thing we need is ethnic tension here. Although, Im sure that whoever is responsible for this would like there to be some.

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.

I agree, and I think many,many others do as well. The UK has always had my respect and admiration and as friends they never let us down here in the US on the things that matter.

It is an attack on us all.

I'm still watching all the networks-not that it matters to those killed and their loved ones, but I am hoping the number of killed stays very low.

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.
We won't do that becasue Saudis Bush's freind. :( I wouldn't have opposed a invasion of Saudi.

justice by ignoring them and hoping they go away?
no, quite the opposite. justice will only be served by targetting specific individuals and gaining the support of the country that the terrorist operate in. in iraq we lost superiority because we forgot justice and resorted to vengance.

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.

I disagree. Negotiation is the key.

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.

Try moving away from fosil fuels... quickest route to fixing the source of the problem, the power of dictators in the Arab world and the poverty of their citizens

sorry if i have been talking too much about the past. they have stoped alll trains and planes going into the londen and some around londen blair is flying in from Gleneagles to london so is ken livingson (mayor of london) he has made a speach lots of people carnt use there phones in london and people carnt phone into london this is probible because so many people are phoning at once the police have confermed that at leased two are dead and at leased 1,000 people injured. all buses in london have been stoped m howard making speech now on sky

Actually the IRA set off a large bomb at the BBC in the last 5 years. I can't recall the exact date, but it rattled the wondows of my apartment.

Latest news from here is that we are still waiting for the majority of the causalties to come from Kings Cross, which is less than 5 minutes from the hospital. This indicates that most of the casualties are still trapped underground.
They are trapped, I think they've only just been fred.

And that was the real IRA I think, which has now been disbanded.

Actually the IRA set off a large bomb at the BBC in the last 5 years. I can't recall the exact date, but it rattled the windows of my apartment.

Latest news from here is that we are still waiting for the majority of the causalties to come from Kings Cross, which is less than 5 minutes from the hospital. This indicates that most of the casualties are still trapped underground.

Sorry, using shorthand. I meant the Provisional IRA. The Real IRA set off that bomb.

VATICAN CITY (AP) Pope Benedict XVI deplores "barbaric acts against humanity" in London.

LONDON (AP) A senior police official says traces of explosives have been found at two explosion sites.

Scotland Yard has stated 7 explosions.

you realise an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. if we cant rise above the terrorists then we loose the high ground, as it were, by coninueing as normal and not becoming enthralled in racist "carpet-bomb" statements. what is need is justice, not vengance.

Yes, maybe we now have a faint idea of what it's like to live under constant terror.

no, quite the opposite. justice will only be served by targetting specific individuals and gaining the support of the country that the terrorist operate in. in iraq we lost superiority because we forgot justice and resorted to vengance.
Agreed.

sorry if i have been talking too much about the past. they have stoped alll trains and planes going into the londen and some around londen blair is flying in from Gleneagles to london so is ken livingson (mayor of london) he has made a speach lots of people carnt use there phones in london and people carnt phone into london this is probible because so many people are phoning at once the police have confermed that at leased two are dead and at leased 1,000 people injured. all buses in london have been stoped m howard making speech now on sky

Your cell phone network is in "emergency services mode" which means that ordinary civilian mobiles will not be able to make calls.

More than 182 casualties and one of the dead were taken to the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel but that 123 people had since been released.

And St Mary's Hospital said it was dealing with 26 injured people, including four with critical injuries and eight in a serious condition.

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BBC-so far, hasn't been updated recently.

I disagree. Negotiation is the key.

Negotiations won't work with groups like Al Qaeda! They want us all to become muslims and won't stop till they achieve their goals.

sorry if i have been talking too much about the past. they have stoped alll trains and planes going into the londen and some around londen blair is flying in from Gleneagles to london so is ken livingson (mayor of london) he has made a speach lots of people carnt use there phones in london and people carnt phone into london this is probible because so many people are phoning at once the police have confermed that at leased two are dead and at leased 1,000 people injured. all buses in london have been stoped m howard making speech now on sky

I haven't heard numbers anywhere approaching 1000. Has anyone else heard this number?

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.

Yes but that would cause yet more senseless bloodshed.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=378

The BNP Are disgusting

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I disagree. Negotiation is the key.

You can only negotiate when the other side is willing to.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

I disagree. Negotiation is the key.

It is a very difficult and delicate process to negotiate with someone who wants you dead.

Eh. We've known for about a year that Al Qaeda was planning attacks somewhere in London. (But not where exactly). I don't understand this. We got the info from some prisoners at Guantanamo. I'm sure it was passed on. How was this not prevented? I don't get it. I think the first report on the plot was about 6 months ago. This makes no sense. Its like 911.
They get information, but nothing is done with it. No, this makes no sense.
They made arrests, we foiled one plot, they where planning to bomb/fly a plane into the Crysler building and the Gerkin.

And why has this happened? Because counter-terrorism units have been busy chasing around after a bunch of black-clad Anarchist thugs who should never have been allowed here in the first place.

The UK's too soft.

Negotiations won't work with groups like Al Qaeda! They want us all to become muslims and won't stop till they achieve their goals.

With Al Qaeda, you are right, with the smaller groups that support then, possibly.

I've written and re-written this three times, and every time I look back another two or three pages of posts have appeared.

I just wanted to say, without getting too emotional (and that's been the trouble) about it, that the UK holds a special significance for those of us who share a common ancestry, a common history, and a common head of state.

An attack on the UK is like an attack upon us all. Remember always that a great affection is still felt for the UK all around the Commonwealth, and elsewhere, too.

Take care.

Dobbs.


Where you from Dobbs? Which part of the world?

Thankyou everyone from outside and inside Britain for your thoughts, words, and statements, Iam lucky, I have relatives working near where the bombs were and thankfully all are unharmed, so MY thoughts, prayers, and very best wishes go to those and those with families not as fortunate as me....

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=378

The BNP Are disgusting

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It may be disgusting, but if attacks like this continue, it will become popular.

They are trapped, I think they've only just been fred.

And that was the real IRA I think, which has now been disbanded.
The Real IRA is still around, but close to useless. They have very little in the way of support, members of supplies, and their leadership is currently in prison in the Republic.

Negotiations won't work with groups like Al Qaeda! They want us all to become muslims and won't stop till they achieve their goals.I agree. They want death to all infidels.

By going right to the source. No more pussy footing around in Iraq and speculating on Syria ... Saudi Arabia is the source. To kill a plant, you must tear it up by the root. Digging around it only aerates and cultivates.

All the cells, the jihadists, the murderous jack-asses who seek to destroy every vestige of civilisation is supported by Saudi money. I'm not suggesting decimating the place ... after all ... I am Muslim. I would not want to see the kabbah destroyed.

However, it is not difficult to trace it, find the roots, and get rid of it. I know a lot of Muslims who would be very, very happy to see a free and democratic Saudi Arabia.


Many fingers DO point to Saudi Arabia. They are grinning and kissing us to our face, meanwhile healthily funding fanatics behind our back. I think it is well past the time we should yank the carpet out from under them.

300 taken to hospitals.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=378

The BNP Are disgusting

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im blocked of that website, what did the BNP say?

I haven't heard numbers anywhere approaching 1000. Has anyone else heard this number?
Neather have I,

The BNP are evil.

Accordingly they are investigating a suspect package in Swindon station now?

This is another shamefull and dispicable act of violence and terrorism in yet another major city.

Maybe this is the final straw that will force the USA to focus on the real problem that has always been Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda.
Someone could also kill off Bush Jr and Sr. I'm quite positive that the world would be a better place without them and their atrocious war-mongering for business policy. Fogive my tone but that is the only way I can explain their choice of action in the middle east.

Every single nation that bought into Bush's WMD fairy tale and sent troops to Iraq has made themselves a target for these awfull attacks.

This is a sad sad world.

Eh. We've known for about a year that Al Qaeda was planning attacks somewhere in London. (But not where exactly). I don't understand this. We got the info from some prisoners at Guantanamo. I'm sure it was passed on. How was this not prevented? I don't get it. I think the first report on the plot was about 6 months ago. This makes no sense. Its like 911.
They get information, but nothing is done with it. No, this makes no sense.

You think something like this is easy to prevent? London has been attacked many times in the past but hardly any attacks were prevented entirely . Even with specific knowledge of the threat its very hard to completely stop an attack like this.

Your cell phone network is in "emergency services mode" which means that ordinary civilian mobiles will not be able to make calls.

No, it's just being overused by people trying to find out what is going on. Plenty of people are using their mobile phones.

It may be disgusting, but if attacks like this continue, it will become popular.

did u see the video they made? Totally inapropriate

Eh. We've known for about a year that Al Qaeda was planning attacks somewhere in London. (But not where exactly). I don't understand this. We got the info from some prisoners at Guantanamo. I'm sure it was passed on. How was this not prevented? I don't get it. I think the first report on the plot was about 6 months ago. This makes no sense. Its like 911.
They get information, but nothing is done with it. No, this makes no sense.
what can they do? Shut down London for 6 months? arrest everyone who might attack? You just can't do those things, unless they get lucky it's damn near impossible to stop these kind of attacks.

Negotiations won't work with groups like Al Qaeda! They want us all to become muslims and won't stop till they achieve their goals.

But you can't blow them all up. The one more you blow up, the one more you turn against yourself. Like this one. They blew up bits of London, and they blew up my genuine hatred and detest and will to strangle every one of them by a lot.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=London+Explosions

I was off work today, had I gone in I would of in all likelyhood been on one of those trains that were bombed. I'm a little freaked out right now tbh...but having checked up with workmates and friends who work in central London and they're all alright.

No point in even bothering to argue with them, Of the underpants -- I heard this same shit in 2001.

The warhawks will crow about their grand and glorious view of victory, and the apologists will blame the victims. Seems like simple human decency goes straight out the window with the least chance to score points for one's political views.

You've my deepest sympathy.
Don't even know what you're on about!

im blocked of that website, what did the BNP say?

It's an "I told you this would happen" web page, along with "the fifth column is here".

Just because it's disgusting doesn't mean that it isn't true.

I haven't heard numbers anywhere approaching 1000. Has anyone else heard this number?

No this number is inaccurate.

Accordingly they are investigating a suspect package in Swindon station now?
They are.

Try moving away from fosil fuels... quickest route to fixing the source of the problem, the power of dictators in the Arab world and the poverty of their citizens

That'll help, but that's less a solution than one would think. It'd ruin the Middle Eastern economy to some degree, and make more people more desperate. What's needed is that WITH simultaneous regime change in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

Yes but that would cause yet more senseless bloodshed.

Some, yes. It is inevitable. However, you'd notice something very strange. Suddenly moderate and liberal Muslims would find a voice because they could now go on Hajj without being afraid that an assassin is waiting for them there because they posted disdain for wahabism on a website.

You'd see a radical shift in the Islamic world if Saudi were truly free.

im blocked of that website, what did the BNP say?

Not much. Muslims at fault, Muslims bad, Griffin warned you, let him off his hatred charge, we're poisonous bastards who should be shot. The usual BNP shit.

It may be disgusting, but if attacks like this continue, it will become popular.
Unfortuntly yes. They live off fear.

im blocked of that website, what did the BNP say?

They made a video blaming labour for this attack, they then show a London Underground map with Boom written on it, it then just asks "have you made a will?" and "will you see your kids again"

Our MAJAX status is being downgraded, but there are "rumours" of more casualties on their way (that's from the official MAJAX alert).

they dont want us to all become muslims i just heared that it was the european al-quda people should stop being racist did you know that since 9/11 in america lots more americans have become muslims than they did before 9/11

Not much. Muslims at fault, Muslims bad, Griffin warned you, let him off his hatred charge, we're poisonous bastards who should be shot. The usual BNP shit.
Indeed. Thats a pritty acurate summary.

But you can't blow them all up. The one more you blow up, the one more you turn against yourself. Like this one. They blew up bits of London, and they blew up my genuine hatred and detest and will to strangle every one of them by a lot.

So you would rather negotiate with someone who wants you dead? Please! This attack has only strengthen my resolve to fight this war to the last man standing.

Our MAJAX status is being downgraded, but there are "rumours" of more casualties on their way (that's from the official MAJAX alert).
Where did you get that from?

they dont want us to all become muslims i just heared that it was the european al-quda people should stop being racist did you know that since 9/11 in america lots more americans have become muslims than they did before 9/11

No, if you've read OBLs rants, you'll find that all he wants is for the West (and not just the US) to collapse and its inhabitants to die.

The initial reason phones were stopped was the fear that the phones could trigger unexploded bombs....

I forgot that they could do that...
Good job someone remembered.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/


Listen to the Audio.

It's an "I told you this would happen" web page, along with "the fifth column is here".

Just because it's disgusting doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Perhaps, but they were a little too quick to jump all over this tragedy for all the political gain they could milk from it, don't you think?

they dont want us to all become muslims i just heared that it was the european al-quda people should stop being racist did you know that since 9/11 in america lots more americans have become muslims than they did before 9/11

Do you realize that Al Qaeda wants the US to be destroyed? Leave the politics at the door. Its not wanted in this thread.

No, if you've read OBLs rants, you'll find that all he wants is for the West (and not just the US) to collapse and its inhabitants to die.
BaSically-yes.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=378

The BNP Are disgusting

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I have to say that is one of the worst put together videos I have seen.

they dont want us to all become muslims i just heared that it was the european al-quda people should stop being racist did you know that since 9/11 in america lots more americans have become muslims than they did before 9/11
What does this mean? I'm no racist... wait, why the fuck should I have to qualify myself? Anti-war and all that balls? Here's the deal. Al-Qaeda do want to turn the world, or at the very least parts of it, into a huge Wahhabi caliphate. Which involves turning parts of the world into Muslim areas. By force if necessary. Mainly Spain is the Western state that has to worry.
And the relevance of people becoming Muslim after 9/11? Which seems like a stupid statistic to me. I mean, more people becoming Muslim in four years after a terrorist attack than in the two hundred years of American existence before?

They made a video blaming labour for this attack, they then show a London Underground map with Boom written on it, it then just asks "have you made a will?" and "will you see your kids again"

i fucking despise the BNP. and kilroy. the irony, is of course, that these "patriots", who hold our victory against the nazis so dear, are almost as fashist as the enemy they are so proud we defeated.

This is another shamefull and dispicable act of violence and terrorism in yet another major city.

Maybe this is the final straw that will force the USA to focus on the real problem that has always been Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda.
Someone could also kill off Bush Jr and Sr. I'm quite positive that the world would be a better place without them and their atrocious war-mongering for business policy. Fogive my tone but that is the only way I can explain their choice of action in the middle east.

Every single nation that bought into Bush's WMD fairy tale and sent troops to Iraq has made themselves a target for these awfull attacks.

This is a sad sad world.

So... the Kenyans were asking for it in 1998 because they let us have an embassy there? The Tunisians were, when 21 were left dead, including 14 German tourists in the synagogue?

Please read this: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884893.html

This has been going on before Bush. Before Clinton, really, since al-Qaeda isn't that old an organization.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

I thought that Bush's comments regarding the contrast between what was going on at the G-8 and the intentions and the hearts of the people there with the intentions and hearts of the terrorists was rather poignant.

Timing of attack

The timing is crucial. All eyes are on Great Britain as world leaders meet in central Scotland for the G8 Summit. About 15,000 police officers from across the country are guarding the conference in rural Perthshire with the consequence that conventional police activities throughout the rest of the country have been compromised.

This is a global spectacular for the well organised terror group that carried it out and will undoubtedly led to a fall out in British politics. We suggest that within the course of the next few hours an Islamic terror group will claim responsibility. This is a punishment attack on the nation’s capital because of British meddling in the Middle East. There already exists a huge groundswell of opinion hostile to the war in Iraq, and if the bomb blasts are indeed the work of Islamic terrorists more pressure will be piled onto Blair to end our involvement in the Gulf.

Mr. Griffin’s warning

BNP Chairman, Nick Griffin is facing charges in the Crown Court later this year for making the stark warning that militant Islamics would punish Britain for our unpopular involvement in Bush’s war to secure Iraq’s oil supplies. He specifically mentioned suicide bombers carrying out attacks on “soft targets” who were either asylum seekers of second generation Muslims recruited for their cause in places such as Bradford. If these bomb blasts are indeed the work of Islamic fundamentalists the prosecution case is likely to collapse. No one is likely to be convinced that crying wolf is unlawful when the wolf has just run riot through the lambs’ pen.

The news will be greeted with dismay and horror by Blair as he sits down this morning to discuss world trade, debt relief for Africa and climate change. He faces serious questioning by the voters of this country about his dogmatic stance on the Middle East, his woeful record in the handling of asylum and Britain’s open borders.

Thoughts and prayers

Our thoughts are for the families and loved ones of those murdered and injured in this morning’s blasts which will bring about another kind of climate change, in this case a political one.

You know what, guys? Whether or not the people saying that are "t3h 3v|l BNP m3n!!!1", they've got a point. Remember, content. Analyse the content.

The initial reason phones were stopped was the fear that the phones could trigger unexploded bombs....

I forgot that they could do that...
Good job someone remembered.

That actually possible.

Always seemed like a spurious claim to me.
Bit like how they say mobile phones can cause petrol to ignite.

Some, yes. It is inevitable. However, you'd notice something very strange. Suddenly moderate and liberal Muslims would find a voice because they could now go on Hajj without being afraid that an assassin is waiting for them there because they posted disdain for wahabism on a website.

You'd see a radical shift in the Islamic world if Saudi were truly free.

I too hope that Saudi Arabia will one day be free. But our economy unfortunately depends upon saudi oil. As long as this is the case, there will be no action taken against them. I really do feel sorry for the majority of muslims. They are just ordinary decent people and have nothing to do with this horror. I just wish we could bring this current cycle of misery, attacks, and counter-attacks to an end, although I realise it is very unlikely.

You know what, guys? Whether or not the people saying that are "t3h 3v|l BNP m3n!!!1", they've got a point. Remember, content. Analyse the content.
a point, tell me it.

That actually possible.

Always seemed like a spurious claim to me.
Bit like how they say mobile phones can cause petrol to ignite.

I think he meant that terrorists could attach a phone the the bomb and "call" it when they are a safe distance away to trigger it. Not that any phone could do it.

You know what, guys? Whether or not the people saying that are "t3h 3v|l BNP m3n!!!1", they've got a point. Remember, content. Analyse the content.

Where exactly are you from?

Yes, because of course terrorist cells operate by telling everyone in the organization every detail, so that any one of them can give away the missions and the people involved.

And of course this information is also always very detailed, telling who, what, where, when and who.

Obviously, the governments of the UK and the US did nothing so they can justify invading more of the middle eastern countries... they simply allowed their citizens to be slaughtered wholesale to rally the war effort.

:rolleyes:
Well said.

Don't even know what you're on about!

Doesn't matter -- it was addressed to Of the underpants, and he understands.

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly


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Full Al-Queda statement.

So you would rather negotiate with someone who wants you dead? Please! This attack has only strengthen my resolve to fight this war to the last man standing.


Agreed. Negotiating is for reasonable parties that stand to gain or lose. Our enemies are looking to totally destroy our way of life-they are not looking for peaceful co-existance. They want us dead or rendered totally insignificant.

To them, its personal,its religious, to them is a crusade. To us-its more defensive. I'm afraid by the time it becomes personal or religious for us and our allies, we may already have suffered a major blow- IE: a plague of epic proportions, an attack on our power grid that cripples day to day functions, nukes in containers in a port, dirty bombs, suicide bombers in our cities & schools, etc... You get the idea.

We need to resolve ourselves now. We need to attack them wherever they are. Throw the rule book out. Become more aggressive, more thorough.
Stop squabbling over the minutia and start cooperating worldwide.

a point, tell me it.

The point is that Griffin is now vindicated and his trial might fall and he be aquitted. So I the BNP are probably both pleased and disgusted by today.


Either that or they set the bombs to frame Muslim Terrorists so Griffin would get off. Of course, this is just conjecture....

¬_¬

You know what, guys? Whether or not the people saying that are "t3h 3v|l BNP m3n!!!1", they've got a point. Remember, content. Analyse the content.
Not really. Basically, this says that "the BNP told you so, so ha! Asylum seekers are evil!" What it's ignoring is the fact that Griffin didn't just tell us so - and indeed, the way he tol us so was wrong - but he is also an unmitigated racist.

:gundge: awful what's happened in london, really horrible. but not unexpected - that's what happens when u do what bush wants u to do - tony b, i blame u.

They are.

Yep just recieved news about Swindon package - although unknown what it is - probably nothing

Sure it will appear on news soon though.

Royal London Hospital - Over 100 brought in, 10 critical, seven in serious condition
St Mary's Hospital - Scores admitted, four critical, eight serious
Great Ormond Street - Several brought in, one in serious condition
Royal Free Hampstead - Two people admitted

Hospital update.

Wiki have a page up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_London_transport_explosions#Infrastructure_and_Transport_status

I think he meant that terrorists could attach a phone the the bomb and "call" it when they are a safe distance away to trigger it. Not that any phone could do it.

Oops.

:$

Where did you get that from?

From my email. I'm a manager at a hospital that is receiving the casualties.

That actually possible.

Always seemed like a spurious claim to me.
Bit like how they say mobile phones can cause petrol to ignite.
Sparks can cause petrol fumes to ignite. But what we're talking here is more people calling up the bomb to make it explode - as in, the have a mobile connected to the bomb, and they ring it, and BOOM. Not entirely sure how, I'm no engineer.
And I'm out for now. My thoughts, once again, are with those in London.

al-quida want america destroyed not muslims most muslims are peaceful they think its wrong to kill apart from in a jihad a holy war its a lot like the cristian crusades they thorght the intire wold should be cristians and anyone who wasnt cristian were inferdels sound a lot like what al-quider think.

This is nothing like the Christian crusades. For one, we are not going after Jeruselem.

Also, according to the Muslim faith, Jews and Christians are supposed to be protected. I guess someone forgot to tell Al Qaeda that.

Well, the BNP is not the master of the ancient Oriental art of Ty Ming.
Lol.
That BNP video implies there is a link between illegal immigrants into this country and terrorism. While this is possibly the case, they neglect to mention that it is also possible for British citizens, perhaps who have lived in Britain all their lives, to be won over by racial propaganda, who then might wish to engage in terrorist activities. And members of the BNP? Yep, they've been won over by racial propaganda.

NOTE: I am not implying that the BNP will inevitably resort to terrorism in order to achieve their goals.

London Transport have notices up: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/

I won't trust that until I hear it from the Beeb.
the beeb?

Just as a thought to the significance of the date, if there is one, is that on this very day, the race riots of 2001 began in Bradford.

I know its more likely to do with the G8, but thats also a handy coincidence...

Believe me when I say I dispise the BNP for all they are I do....

However it seems the al-queda groups will never stop coming into countries and using suicide bombers to cause mass terror and there is NOTHING more frightening than someone who kills him/her self along with anyone else nearby....

In response.... maybe we should pull up the drawbridge on Britain until ACCURATE ways of keeping track of people entering this country can be created, and to the people already here... destroy not close down, DESTROY the known terrorist training grounds, imprison the people that are known to go there ALSO their families, its one thing for the bomber to blow THEMSELVES up but the families of these people think its fantastic their child has done this. I would lock ALL of them up and NEVER let them out, isolation cells with literally bread and water in the cell nothing more, not even a light bulb....

the beeb?


The BBC...affectionate nickname

This is another shamefull and dispicable act of violence and terrorism in yet another major city.

Maybe this is the final straw that will force the USA to focus on the real problem that has always been Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda.
Someone could also kill off Bush Jr and Sr. I'm quite positive that the world would be a better place without them and their atrocious war-mongering for business policy. Fogive my tone but that is the only way I can explain their choice of action in the middle east.

Every single nation that bought into Bush's WMD fairy tale and sent troops to Iraq has made themselves a target for these awfull attacks.

This is a sad sad world.

You just see this as another opportunity to peddle your bull, don't you? Newsflash: the September 11 attacks preceeded the Iraq War. In fact, the war immediately prior to Spetember 11 was the war in Yugoslavia against white Chrisian Serbs to help the non-white muslim Kosovars establish an autonomous state.

Al-Qaeda are carrying out these attacks because they hate us, not because they feel the Iraq War is unjust. Osama bin Laden volunteered to fight Hussein with his Mujahideen alongside the Saudi Arabian army before the outbreak of the Gulf War. The only reason it didn't happen is because the House of Saud decided it would be better to let the West do all the fighting for them.

And so falls your house of cards.

the beeb?

BBC

the beeb?

The BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4660171.stm

In fact just come through.

Full Al-Queda statement.

Someone needs to remind them of a few things ...

Qur'an 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."


Qur'an 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."

The BBC...affectionate nickname
Sometimes also known as Auntie

Entire London Underground network suspended
All buses in Zone One, central London, suspended
Liverpool Street, Kings Cross, St Pancras, Marylebone, Euston, Cannon Street, Harrow and Wealdstone, Stratford and East Croydon stations closed
Brighton, Swindon, Portsmouth Harbour and Poole stations closed by security alerts
GNER and Hull Trains services starting and terminating at Peterborough
WAGN terminating at Finsbury Park
One Railways terminating at Chelmsford
Silverlink trains terminating at Watford Junction; services between Richmond and North Woolwich suspended
First Great Western running hourly service to Paddington; FGW Link services not stopping at Ealing Broadway and no Greenford service
All Thameslink services suspended
Chiltern trains terminating at High Wycombe
South Eastern Trains not running into Cannon Street
C2C not stopping at West Ham but full service into Fenchurch Street
All coach services in and out of London suspended
Heathrow Express running and flights taking off, some with extra security
Stansted Express rail service not operating as far as Liverpool Street but flights continuing


Transport update.

actually, we do have some high level AQ imprisoned at Guantanamo. That is why the Bush administration is refusing to allow them to leave or give them access to courts.

Which has nothing to do with what I posted, but hey, what the heck.

Sparks can cause petrol fumes to ignite. But what we're talking here is more people calling up the bomb to make it explode - as in, the have a mobile connected to the bomb, and they ring it, and BOOM. Not entirely sure how, I'm no engineer.
And I'm out for now. My thoughts, once again, are with those in London.


The very mechanism in the phone - or a pager-that causes it to ring or vibrate can be used to detonate a bomb electronically.

A cel phone battery is more than sufficient to do this.

Its not like a flame needs to light a fuse.

Not really. Basically, this says that "the BNP told you so, so ha! Asylum seekers are evil!" What it's ignoring is the fact that Griffin didn't just tell us so - and indeed, the way he tol us so was wrong - but he is also an unmitigated racist.

In America, the First Amendment would have protected Griffin. There's no crime in the US for talking like a racist. You actually have to commit some other crime such as murder for it to be a hate crime.

I think that laws tha restrict hate speech are silly. Basically, it's the government's way of saying that you're not smart enough to know what to believe.

actually, we do have some high level AQ imprisoned at Guantanamo. That is why the Bush administration is refusing to allow them to leave or give them access to courts.

Must be that famous "Muslim hive mind" we keep hearing so much about.

Someone needs to remind them of a few things ...

Qur'an 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."


Qur'an 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."
ISn't there a passage saying 'respect those of the book?'

:gundge: awful what's happened in london, really horrible. but not unexpected - that's what happens when u do what bush wants u to do - tony b, i blame u.

im sorry but if you were presented with all available evidence, and every source in your own government and intelligance agencies said "go to war", would you, a man with no military knowledge, choose the other option. the fact that the intelligance he was supplied turned out to be wrong is not his fault. it is incredibly unfortunate, but NOT HIS FAULT the fact remain that he is the best man to lead the country and has done/will do huge amounts of good. if anything he is the leash of reason on bush.

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Transport update.

In other words, stay where you are, unless you plan on walking.

You just see this as another opportunity to peddle your bull, don't you? Newsflash: the September 11 attacks preceeded the Iraq War. In fact, the war immediately prior to Spetember 11 was the war in Yugoslavia against white Chrisian Serbs to help the non-white muslim Kosovars establish an autonomous state.

Al-Qaeda are carrying out these attacks because they hate us, not because they feel the Iraq War is unjust. Osama bin Laden volunteered to fight Hussein with his Mujahideen alongside the Saudi Arabian army before the outbreak of the Gulf War. The only reason it didn't happen is because the House of Saud decided it would be better to let the West do all the fighting for them.

And so falls your house of cards.

Nice job. Thank you.

Someone needs to remind them of a few things ...

Qur'an 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."


Qur'an 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."
Jihad extremists, like hateful zealots of ALL religions (including my own Christianity), conveniently ignore the parts of the holy texts that are inconvenient or incompatible with their aims.

I think that the right to free speech is pretty good here in the UK, and my Canadian tells me that its better than in Canada and that Canada has more real free speech that the US....is this a generally held opinion?

I also imagine that a dozen or so Muslims in Scotland would stick out a bit...

Oh yeah that's right, because we only have big ginger haired guys with kilts here...


M-U-S-L-I-M? What's one of them?

Wow, people without milk-bottle white skin...what are these wonderous people???

Jeez, what do you think we are, some sort of middle-of-nowhere back water, where the people never leave their country and outsiders are shot on sight?? OK, we're not quite as multi-cultural as London, but we have fairly large Islamic and Asian minorities in Glasgow and Edinburgh. Admittedly, I have only seen about 10 black people in Scotland in my whole life, but still...

In America, the First Amendment would have protected Griffin. There's no crime in the US for talking like a racist. You actually have to commit some other crime such as murder for it to be a hate crime.

I think that laws tha restrict hate speech are silly. Basically, it's the government's way of saying that you're not smart enough to know what to believe.

You have laws against inciting a riot in America dont you? I'm pretty sure thats what hes charged with.

As you can see... Al-Qaeda is the problem and always has been. Al-Qaeda is what the might of the USA's military force should be concentrated on. Not Iraq..

I agree, but we can't go back in time. We're in Iraq, for good or for ill.

Further, the invasion of Iraq DID bring Libya in from the cold and stop it's terrorism, as well as strengthen the Egyptians and got the Syrians to leave Lebanon...
I'm not saying it's a chocolate-and-vanilla ice cream cone in August, but it's not a peanut butter and liverwurst sandwich, either.

However... despite my optimism I honestly doubt that the USA will change it's foreign policy to give up the billions that are to be made in Iraq, in exchange for the pursuit of a silly thing called justice for 9/11.

It's already cost us over $90 billion. It'll take a decade for Iraq to become a "profitable venture", if you want to look at it from those terms. And, as stated, the oil of Iraq belongs to the Iraqis and their new gov't. It's not like the US is turning the place into a colony. 100.000 men can't rule 28 million, nor are they seeking to.

http://www.mikelynaugh.com/SupportTheTroops/Thumbs/tn_IMG_3567.jpg

The UK prevailed through massive German bombing raids. You'd think terrorists would be aware of something as significant as the battle of Brittan.

I think that the right to free speech is pretty good here in the UK, and my Canadian tells me that its better than in Canada and that Canada has more real free speech that the US....is this a generally held opinion?

Don't know about Canada, but the US definitely has more free speech than the UK when it comes to public racist rants.

Griffin would be able to make all the speeches he's made in the UK with no fear of government intervention here in the US.

Weve dealt with problems like this in Ulster and London before. Whatever caused this shall be rooted out. We beat the IRA so we can beat any terrorist organisation that plans to destroy democracy

This is nothing like the Christian crusades. For one, we are not going after Jeruselem.

Also, according to the Muslim faith, Jews and Christians are supposed to be protected. I guess someone forgot to tell Al Qaeda that.

You are right. This is nothing like the Christian crusades, which were actually caused by the Byzantine Empire. Also, only four of the eight crusades went to the holy land, one went to Constantinople, one to Carthage, and two to Damietta in Egypt. The fact that these people disobey the Holy Quran shows that they are not real muslims at all. And hence we should not blame ordinary Muslims for this.

You have laws against inciting a riot in America dont you? I'm pretty sure thats what hes charged with.
IIRC, he's charged with inciting racial hatred. There's no law against inciting racial hatred in the US.

You can be charged with inciting a riot, but the riot actually has to occur - if it doesn't occur, you didn't incite it.