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All I see is Xis trying vainly to hold onto the "Star Wars beats all" mentality that's been rampant around NS II lately.

All I see is Xis trying vainly to hold onto the "Star Wars beats all" mentality that's been rampant around NS II lately.Heh. Their medical tech is too slow to outpace the unyielding love of Grandfather Nurgle.

All I see is Xis trying vainly to hold onto the "Star Wars beats all" mentality that's been rampant around NS II lately.

In that case, allow me to provide him with more ammunition.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/CFace/swta_deathstar.jpg

That's right. The rebel starfleet, observed to be a couple of squadrons of starfighters as of ANH, has more firepower than half a Death Star.
Owned. :D

Edit: And that means that Trek, B5, 40k and basically everyone who isn't the Culture has no chance at all.

Single X-Wings could casually wipe out whole fleets of flying space cathedrals!

Ooo nice canon play *points CF to space furries running around*

All I see is Xis trying vainly to hold onto the "Star Wars beats all" mentality that's been rampant around NS II lately.

Pfft, hes nekos/ foxes in space... He doesn't think any tech is superior to his from my MSN convos with him. Hopefully if he is stupid enough to aid those furries in space GPI (whom I think in character as nazi furrys with the same genetic purity issues) I can take a crack at him :P

All I see is Xis trying vainly to hold onto the "Star Wars beats all" mentality that's been rampant around NS II lately.

I'm not trying to say "Star Wars beats all", I'm trying to explain the canon capabilities. There are numerous sci-fi universes that could hand Star Wars its ass on a platter, various Dr. Who races, the Culture, the Xelee, the Lensman, WH40K in ground warfare off the top of my head.

This has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what anyone on NS RPs their SW tech as capable of. Of course people much smarter than me have laid out the rational for the numbers for Star Wars I support. If people with advanced degrees in science with well presented evidence can't convince you I see no point in continuing the discussion.

"Pfft, hes nekos/ foxes in space... He doesn't think any tech is superior to his from my MSN convos with him. Hopefully if he is stupid enough to aid those furries in space GPI (whom I think in character as nazi furrys with the same genetic purity issues) I can take a crack at him :P

So just because my tech is powerful that means no one can beat me? That's simply not true, I just don't recognize idiotic technobabble tricks made up to get around my defenses. Besides, most of my really powerful stuff stays in my home galaxy and rarely interacts in RPs unless someone else brings in stuff that requires it.

I simply don't see how my like for genetically engineered sapients in the Freefall vein has any relevance whatsoever.

I'm not trying to say "Star Wars beats all", I'm trying to explain the canon capabilities. There are numerous sci-fi universes that could hand Star Wars its ass on a platter, various Dr. Who races, the Culture, the Xelee, the Lensman, WH40K in ground warfare off the top of my head.

This has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what anyone on NS RPs their SW tech as capable of. Of course people much smarter than me have laid out the rational for the numbers for Star Wars I support. If people with advanced degrees in science with well presented evidence can't convince you I see no point in continuing the discussion.



So just because my tech is powerful that means no one can beat me? That's simply not true, I just don't recognize idiotic technobabble tricks made up to get around my defenses. Besides, most of my really powerful stuff stays in my home galaxy and rarely interacts in RPs unless someone else brings in stuff that requires it.

I simply don't see how my like for genetically engineered sapients in the Freefall vein has any relevance whatsoever.

*blinks* I was talking about a different nation with your initials I never had much contact with you icly :P sorry for the misunderstanding I also though they where speaking about Xiscapia bah.. Then these fraking pain killers are making me all blindey eyed.

I'm not trying to say "Star Wars beats all", I'm trying to explain the canon capabilities. There are numerous sci-fi universes that could hand Star Wars its ass on a platter, various Dr. Who races, the Culture, the Xelee, the Lensman, WH40K in ground warfare off the top of my head.

This has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what anyone on NS RPs their SW tech as capable of. Of course people much smarter than me have laid out the rational for the numbers for Star Wars I support. If people with advanced degrees in science with well presented evidence can't convince you I see no point in continuing the discussion.

Don't mind them, Xess. A lot of people are... Unwilling to make sense of SW.

They prefer to cling to their pathetic minimalism and wallow in their own idiocy.

I just wish Lucas didn't keep giving them more ammunition. :(

So just because my tech is powerful that means no one can beat me? That's simply not true, I just don't recognize idiotic technobabble tricks made up to get around my defenses. Besides, most of my really powerful stuff stays in my home galaxy and rarely interacts in RPs unless someone else brings in stuff that requires it.

I simply don't see how my like for genetically engineered sapients in the Freefall vein has any relevance whatsoever.

Nah, I think he's saying "since you're a nation of furries, if you support this other nation of furries that I'm at war with, I'll have a decent causus(sic) belli to come in and enslave arr 'liberate' your nation for the glory of democracy and The Union."

Or somesuch.

Me, if I wanted to get in a cockwaving competition, I'd just ask to hold wargames with you.

*Pokes CF with a pointy stick* you are right though I still meant xiscapia but meh moving on:P
I think every tech has to balanced out some how. I would Accept Peoples tech being super powerful if they had a case of small over all fleet for the size of their nation. IE like CF his ships could rip a new hole in alot of peoples including most of mine.

*blinks* I was talking about a different nation with your initials I never had much contact with you icly :P sorry for the misunderstanding I also though they where speaking about Xiscapia bah.. Then these fraking pain killers are making me all blindey eyed.

Honest mistake on my part. Sorry about that.

Me, if I wanted to get in a cockwaving competition, I'd just ask to hold wargames with you.

Facehuggerians need wargames to wave their dicks around.

Mekantans can do it with dinner parties.

Therefore, Facehuggerians are little girls.

Facehuggerians need wargames to wave their dicks around.

Mekantans can do it with dinner parties.

Therefore, Facehuggerians are little girls.Please, comparing your military might to anyone is like comparing the meme potency of Daily Show inside jokes to The Game.

I dunno. In a fight between one of the Trinities and a darkship, my money is actually on the Trinity...

The Game.

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GODDAMN IT!!


I dunno. In a fight between one of the Trinities and a darkship, my money is actually on the Trinity...

We'll have to see if CF and I ever get our war started.

The Game.

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GODDAMN IT!!
:confused: I don't get it. :confused:

:confused: I don't get it. :confused:To put it simply, I just made Mekanta lose without firing a single shot.

O_O *sits on his knees before you and bows such that his forehead touches the ground*

Master, please impart your wisdom upon me!

TG sent to avoid derailing the thread.

Now, a question for Mekanta: How were the Darkships built?

TG sent to avoid derailing the thread.

Now, a question for Mekanta: How were the Darkships built?

Most likely with a lot of time, effort, and money.

I'm more interested in learning how they're powered -- what kind of engines they use and what their output is.

A wizard did it.


Actually, the creation of a Darkship requires the destruction of a large star system for materials, usually harvested by the Goddess All-Consuming. (Thus leading to the belief among the Darkships that Minagoroshi is, in a literal sense, their mother.)

There is one component of a Darkship created before construction begins: the core. The core is both the primary power source and center of the Darkship's consciousness. Now, it should be noted that "construction" is a bit of a misnomer. Darkships are not built. Darkships are grown, leading to every Darkship being unique, and the changes the core undergoes during this process reinforces this.

The core is taken to the destroyed system and, under escort by Mekantan forces, gradually "fed" the resources of the system, converting the matter into Darkship material. As the Darkship grows, its core develops and its power output, telekinetic power, and control increases, however, until the Darkship matures, it does not possess its ability to neutralize gravity, and has to grow its shell carefully, helping its remarkable durability.

A fully mature Darkship is capable of completely throwing conservation of energy out the window, like many other physical laws, and thus could be stated as having a power output expressed by flipping an eight ninety degrees.

So... the Darkship's central core is both its main "computer"-processor-thingy, and a giant bomb (essentially) with a yield of approximately ∞ joules?

I suspect some details are being left out here, but if that's the case, I don't see why they're considered so difficult to destroy. Especially taking narrative causality into account. <.<

Closer to an energy pump that can pull infinite power out of its ass.

If the core is destroyed, it doesn't release ∞ joules in an explosion. It releases no power, because the process used to create that power has been terminated.

I also made a bit of a mistake. I should have stated that it's max power output is infinite. While a Darkship can generate infinite power, Darkship will not generate more power than it needs at the moment, because that's the kind of useless crap you see in Star Trek, and despite heat management not being much of an issue for Mekantan vessels (really, with how many fundamental laws of physics they break regularly, not needing huge radiators is the least of the headaches they can cause) it would be like pulling seventeen tons of raw tuna out of nowhere if you're only going to make a little bit of sushi.

Wellll, yeah, but would it still be possible for the core to output enough power to destroy or cripple the Darkship if it were channeled appropriately? Alternately, if it outputs zero energy, will the ship act the same way as a normal ship when its engines are cut?

Wellll, yeah, but would it still be possible for the core to output enough power to destroy or cripple the Darkship if it were channeled appropriately?

No, you'd have to channel it inappropriately. ^_^

It's possible, but the Darkship Consciousness would have to be suicidal. Nothing short of a conscious decision to self destruct would generate enough energy. Darkships are hard even for other Darkships, or even themselves, to destroy.

Alternately, if it outputs zero energy, will the ship act the same way as a normal ship when its engines are cut?

Yes, it'll continue in its current direction at its current speed without accelerating unless acted upon, just like a normal ship should.

Darkships use reactionless drives, and their insides ignore the inertia of the outside (no getting thrown into a wall or driven into the floor by sudden acceleration) but they still move like they should. The exception is if it activates linear FTL, in which case cutting power will cause it to jerk to a stop, unless it's also using its reactionless drive, in which case its speed will drop to just what its reactionless drive has given it.

We'll have to see if CF and I ever get our war started.

Needs the Displaced thread to get finished first. :D

Fate seems to be working against me there. Every time I start on a reply, something happens that completely negates my work.

Laptop gets unplugged, I completely lock up, something happens that makes it not so.

It'll get done eventually. ^_^

As I've been made to understand, one of the main weaknesses of the Darkship is that it will occasionally stop to think, generally in the rare instance it has miscalculated. Is it possible to lagbomb a Darkship?

Actually, it's not stopping to think. It's stopping to basically say "Wait, wait, wait, what the fuck just happened!? Why aren't you dead!?" Or in the other case, "Wait, what the fuck just happened!? These assholes are supposed to- AUGH!!"

But what do you mean by lagbomb?

Is Solar Communes the only FT NS that uses fusion-powered propfans in their close air support drones?

You heard it right mothas!

http://fc61.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/272/5/c/1940s_Space_Fighter_by_Malaveldt.jpg

http://fc55.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/306/d/4/Piranha_Fighter_Concept_by_Malaveldt.jpg

Space Fighter in ATMOSPHERE!

And this not mentioning Poland in Space!

If I needed to achieve supersonic in atmosphere with my close air support I would.

But I don't.

But what do you mean by lagbomb?Essentially, present more information than it can process. For example, a ship transmitting the history of a city 5,000 years old, but rather than transmitting on a single stream it would transmit each year in 5,000 streams.

Ah, no, the lag after a one-hit kill fails is psychological, not an issue of processing power or ability to multitask. Complicating matters is that communications is a subsystem separate from the core (connected just enough that the Darkship Consciousness can use it) and even if you were to overload it, unlikely since the things have insane capabilities, the rest of the ship wouldn't be effected and the Darkship would just respond with Morse code.

... Relayed through its main cannons...

Well, at least that guarantees you would survive until the end of the message for Mek stated the Darkship carefully calculates each shot to do what it wishes. If it was using its guns to transmit a message, the final shots would be the most powerful.


That so reminds me of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUgfjb39nI0

...Does that mean I can limit what weapons the Darkship uses by firing at it with ion cannons in a binary attack sequence to communicate information while attacking it?

From what i gathered the darkship seems to be like an AI...in which case you could overload it by presenting it with a logical Paradox:tongue:

"Robot Santa you kill those who are naughty, when in fact those you destroy are infact nice, i submit to you that you are infact naughty, and logically you must destroy yourself!" :tongue:

No, because that falls under the category of "things you can do to piss a Darkship off and thus ensure that it disables your ship with few enough casualties it can gather your crew, mindrip them for information on the location of your homeworld if it doesn't already know it, and call its buddies for a good old fashioned evening of annihilating an entire civilization"


There is no way of limiting the weapons a Darkship will use aside from making it clear that it would be more entertaining and aesthetically pleasing to the Mekantans on board to draw out the fight as long as possible.

then i would suggest just not even rping them cause people dont like god weapons.

Oh! Of course, maybe I can rip my entire nation's tech and history from pre-existing science fiction and thus not have to think about such things! Yes, how simple it is to just pick and choose your tech... unfortunately, I'm at the stage where I'd like to put more thought into things.

I'll repeat it since you probably missed it, given this is a long thread and really, who could be expected to read back more than a handful of pages, but while Darkships are not subject to the laws of physics, they are subject to the laws of narrative.

Good guys win. Darkships are, under no definition of the term, good guys.

Darkships are not used to destroy systems without discussing it first with the owner. And given that every Darkship victory... ever... has been against NPC systems for the purpose of setting up a thread (usually a meet and greet) and one of the few times it has been used against a reasonable player (Conservative Morality) the fight that got started was one the Darkship was pre-determined to lose.

Think what you will, but being enough of a rabidly militaristic power in an alliance of superheavyweights to make your allies of convenience nervous tends to lead to applications of that force. The only major complaints from people I respect have been from Solar Communes, who treats any ship that doesn't require a six month burn to go between planets as if it's fueled by the rape of puppies and magic. (Note to self: Write intro post involving rocket doing a long range burn... then FTLing back to where it started for the lulz.) Enough people accept the existence of the Darkships that, really, one person not liking them... doesn't really mean a whole lot.

So yeah, suggestion noted, and ignored. My suggestion to you? Nation reboot. Really? Starcraft? Really?



Edit: Aaaaand he edits his post to say "people" instead of "I" just before I hit post. Lovely. Post still stands, because I'm lazy and pissed off at thermodynamics for cockblocking me on the radiators for my non-Mekantan ships. (Read: Mekanta screwed up on his droplet radiators and has to redo an entire goddamn model.)

You create a weapon, that denies the simple laws of physics that govern the universe, as you claim they can. Not quantum physics theories, but actual hard physical laws. And than actually then cut down peope who use simple easy to understand tech for the purpose of smooth little arguing rping. I don't know what amuses me more. But its okay, I read the words, "Created by a Goddess" and then stopped caring.

Oh and yes I use some starcraft concepts. I enjoy the game, its fun to play, and some of its concepts are easy to use and people dont argue with them. see by your logic, every Wanktastic ship ever put on this forum, should be admitted. nice nice...


EDIT: Good guys...do not always win. That is a traditional trait of story telling that dates back from the beggining of human history. Stories of heroes that do great feats to conquer threats to their people or way of life, therefor classified as evil. But in the more Shakespearen level of story telling, evil can very much triumph over good.

If you don't like his stuff then you don't have to play with Mek, that is the great thing about Nationstates. If you want to play with Hard SF then you can restrict your interaction to that type of player. If you want to go the other end of the spectrum you have that option.

Telling someone off because their stuff doesn't fit into your concept of simplicity is not welcome and could be taken as trolling.

I wasnt trolling. I came into the Argument forum and saw people discussing the dynamics of a ship. the earlier part of the arguments seem to have takin part during another thread and fit quite clearly the characteristics of a "this is my super weapon what do you think" debate. I only meant to throw my 2 cents in as an objective bystander. He then in turn had a bitch fit and got personal.

edit: oh and my first post was just meant to be a joke cause people were asking how they could possiby destroy the ship

Yes, newblood. Top level physics thrown out the window. That's kind of the point.

Y'see, unlike your average Trekkie, Warsie, or Starcraft fan (someday likely to become obnoxious enough to get an -ie name for convenience) who needs babble and handwavium to excuse their violations of physics, I know the laws I'm breaking, and I do it shamelessly while acknowledging their existance, because I'm not about to start making up particles to handwave the Mekantans into scientific legitimacy. I have enough hard science dealings to actually mutter "fucking thermodynamics" while eating breakfast. But of course, what's a thousand words? Care to see what I do when I'm not doing the Mekantans or any of my fun stress relief nations?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/MachinaKyrios/Galactic%20Hegemony/GeneralType-1Transport.jpg

See those? Those are radiators. Three guesses why those are important.

But this isn't about my hard science experience and the headaches skiffy writers and fans don't have to deal with. This is about how, really, you really aren't important enough for me to give a damn about.

Every goddamn conflict before it escalates, is talked out with the main parties involved. (Bystanders can bite me.) The only arguments that I encounter in RPs (aside from one with The Free Priesthood) start with "Goddamn it, Mekanta, post" rather than accusations of godmoding. I have enough people who accept my tech, and enough people in my RPer circles, to be at the point where some newblood who "DOETHN'T LIEK DA DARKTHIPS" and only knows about the tech through the "how to destroy a Darkship" discussions really, honestly, doesn't mean much to me.

The superweapon Minagoroshi, (Rehnaematothraak or Goddess All-Consuming) has been around since... hell, late 2005, early 2k6? (I'll have to check, I'm terrible with dates.) Most of ESUS and the people I care about accept her existance. Whoopty-fuckin'-doo, a newbie hears "goddess" and ignores. (Which, I find it funny, because you say you stopped reading, yet apparently thought enough to try coming up with counters.)

January 1st, 2004. (Really longer, but the original Mekanta can't access Jolt anymore, and I wrote it out of existence anyway.) I've been at this long enough to know what flies, and what doesn't.



Aaaand continuing because my good ally Bal (You bastard.) posted and now I have to respond to another post from the newblood. (Damn it, Bal!) Thanks Bal. (Fuck you with a rake.) You're a hell of a guy. (I hate you.)


Allow me to remind you, roughly, of what you said before you wisely edited your post. (Whereas I, not giving a damn, did not edit mine to match).

You told me, in a nutshell, to stop using a tech that people accept and the ones I deal with often kind of like, because you didn't like it.

You jump in late to a discussion about the buggers that's been going on for quite a while originating from a friendly "Ah-ha! I know how to beat them!" discussion and jumped to conclusions, which in and of itself isn't bad, but you went and served up the arrogant newblood special with a side of "the universe revolves around me" for good measure.

My post was a measured response with a stab at you for that. You edited your post before I hit post. I noticed this after I posted. I did not give a damn, but acknowledged that it was edited. Now we are here.

Sarcasm happens, usually for a reason, newblood.



EDIT: And NOW the newblood edits his sig to show he's only a newblood in spirit, not time.

Calm down.

Please.


*Exercises near god-like powers granted due to my status as the OP of this Thread to calm everyone down HEHEHEHE*


Perhaps a review of the topic at hand would help place everyone on the same page?

Yes, Bal, that sounds very reasonable. (Die in a fire.)

Maybe letting Tarsonis know what was being discussed and everything he missed before jumping in and provoking my response would help. Brilliant idea, Bal. (You failed abortion...)

Allow me to provide the review:

Darkships are amazing powerful, require the destruction of a solar system to construct, and their entire existence involves sexually violating the corpse of Sir Isaac Newton. They tend to stall out when something that should have died doesn't, but that only lasts... 3 seconds, if I remember correctly. They're nigh unbeatable in practical terms, but because Neo-Mekanta is responsible with the power at his(?) disposal they can be defeated with concerted effort, exceptional strategy, and heavy casualties.

You have a really weird concept of time you know that? I've been at this almost as long as you have so stfu with the newblood or what ever shit. At least when I argue my points sir I don't resort to menial name calling, in attempts to discredit my opponent. I can respectfully do that without it. I don't really care, what you and your RP, groups do together. If you all agree on what is being played that is entirely fine, and I couldn't care less. If you had actually bothered to read my last post you would understand the reasoning of my comment instead of immediatly continuing along in your self inspired d*ck waving contest. For all extensive purposes Balrogga I appologize for this incident.

Allow me to provide the review:

Darkships are amazing powerful, require the destruction of a solar system to construct, and their entire existence involves sexually violating the corpse of Sir Isaac Newton. They tend to stall out when something that should have died doesn't, but that only lasts... 3 seconds, if I remember correctly. They're nigh unbeatable in practical terms, but because Neo-Mekanta is responsible with the power at his(?) disposal they can be defeated with concerted effort, exceptional strategy, and heavy casualties.

Which is fine, if all key players involved agree to those terms, as I said my comment was purely based on my interpretation as the discussion as Mekanta trying to introduce a new ship design an putting it past, people observing this thread, and insinuating that if he ever brought the bastard children of schlettinger into an extensive Open Rp, most people will not be so understanding. Instead of being rational Mekanta went on a nice tyrade generating a several post flame war. But I really don't care to participate in any more. It is 4 Am here and must be heading to bed. And it doesnt really matter any more because for all practical purposes, it is unlikely Mekanta and I will end up Rping together in the first place.

I am not taking sides but according to the box on the left of your posts, you two are most certainly not the same age:

Neo-Mekanta - Join Date: Jan 2004
Tarsonis Survivors - Join Date: Feb 2009

Unless you went through one of those nasty resets where JOLT/NS lost your records and you somehow told us, it could only be assumed you were a nation created this month which is where I bet he got the idea of you being new.


EDIT:

I see you added that info into your sig. That should help prevent that error from happening again. I know it wasn't in there before because I remember chuckling at your quote.

I am not taking sides but according to the box on the left of your posts, you two are most certainly not the same age:



Unless you went through one of those nasty resets where JOLT/NS lost your records and you somehow told us, it could only be assumed you were a nation created this month which is where I bet he got the idea of you being new.

That is exactly what happened to me, and I put the information in my signiture due to a discrepency I had with another person. The only reason i brought it up was because after he noted that i had changed it he still used it as a personal attack.

Okay, Bal? (Bastard.) Calm down apparently isn't happening.

You have a really weird concept of time you know that? I've been at this almost as long as you have so stfu with the newblood or what ever shit.

Really? You didn't add that bit about your previous nation until just before I hit post, so up until then, the moniker was well justified. Or are you the only one allowed to make jugements on information one doesn't have? Hypocrite.

Not to mention, even with your old nation, its population doesn't really add up, suggesting a long stretch of time where you were gone. So unless you pull up yet another puppet, I'll have to go with the assessment that no, you have not in fact been at this long enough to even qualify as an "almost" in regards to my time. So the name kind of fits.

At least when I argue my points sir I don't resort to menial name calling, in attempts to discredit my opponent. I can respectfully do that without it.

That assumes newblood is intended as insulting. Now if I had flat out called you n00b, like your behavior suggests, then that would probably fit.

I don't really care, what you and your RP, groups do together. If you all agree on what is being played that is entirely fine, and I couldn't care less. If you had actually bothered to read my last post you would understand the reasoning of my comment instead of immediatly continuing along in your self inspired d*ck waving contest.

Yet you kept up with the "wanktastic" comments. That, and the fact that you keep editing your posts doesn't exactly help.

But no, even with the post editing, you keep stabbing over the tech and I keep calling you out on your bullshit statements. I actually find arguing with people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about quite enjoyable.

I've had a great night.

For all extensive purposes Balrogga I appologize for this incident.

Yes, apologizing after the fact. Had to get in the last word, eh? Well, I guess this isn't ending now, is it?



Maybe in the future, you'll look around a little more before you tell someone "Don't use your tech" in an arrogant manner and start shit.

Okay, Bal? (Bastard.) Calm down apparently isn't happening. only because youre idea of calming down, is me just backing down and letting you "take the field"



Really? You didn't add that bit about your previous nation until just before I hit post, so up until then, the moniker was well justified. Or are you the only one allowed to make jugements on information one doesn't have? Hypocrite.

this edit you made is what brought up that comment from me.

EDIT: And NOW the newblood edits his sig to show he's only a newblood in spirit, not time.

personal attacks, and aspect of the discussion that you started.


Not to mention, even with your old nation, its population doesn't really add up, suggesting a long stretch of time where you were gone. So unless you pull up yet another puppet, I'll have to go with the assessment that no, you have not in fact been at this long enough to even qualify as an "almost" in regards to my time. So the name kind of fits.

Not true, after many times of irresponisbly forgetting to log in to my nation, NS decided not to revive my nation, at which i decided to give NS the bird and move on to other things. Quite recently AB convinced me to come back to NS and because they changed the way the Revive nations, I was able to get my nations back, however because of Jolt i can no longer post on that particular nation, hence the new Factbook and such.



That assumes newblood is intended as insulting. Now if I had flat out called you n00b, like your behavior suggests, then that would probably fit.

As your Edit to that post suggests you did intend it as insulting, or atleast..."put me in my place" in which you arrogently think that I belong.


Yet you kept up with the "wanktastic" comments. That, and the fact that you keep editing your posts doesn't exactly help.
IN the huge war threads that sometimes pop up, where people actually think they can gain something and refuse to lose, your ship would be concidered a Wank or a Godmod. This alone is the reason that Canon techs are used by most of NS because it eliminates alot of arguing. Most techs are based on accepted phsyics and hard to argue against. Now getting creative Is encouraged, I rather detest people who use all premade tech. I started in StarCraft Tech but then began developing my own designs and tech and have had much fun.

And i only edit my posts because I think of better ways to word my arguments, I don't change the overal message.

But no, even with the post editing, you keep stabbing over the tech and I keep calling you out on your bullshit statements. I actually find arguing with people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about quite enjoyable.

I've had a great night.

What bull shitting, my argument was that your ships defy the had law of phyics, which you admitted too. There has been no bullshitting here.


Yes, apologizing after the fact. Had to get in the last word, eh? Well, I guess this isn't ending now, is it?

Must you make everything about you? A flame war erupted on his thread which I sadly was a part of. I feel it's only right to appologize, I dunno maybe just some moral decency I guess.

Maybe in the future, you'll look around a little more before you tell someone "Don't use your tech" in an arrogant manner and start shit.

and my comment was a suggestion not a command.

~sigh

~sigh

Again I appologize Bal, but people who think their involvment on NS is the end all and be all of existence, and how men are judged really piss me the hell off. I'll make it simple. *fires the all powerful ignore cannon* problem solved no one the wiser.

And with that i must really be leaving it is no 5 am and i have been up way to late.

only because youre idea of calming down, is me just backing down and letting you "take the field"

No, because you apparently saw fit to try to get in the last word after Bal's suggestion. I was ready to drop it.

But no, the arrogant newbie (note the change in wording) had to get in the last word.



this edit you made is what brought up that comment from me.

personal attacks, and aspect of the discussion that you started.

And I apologize if you took my use of the word newblood offensively. I've always seen it as less condescending than other words to mean someone who's new. And your behavior certainly reflects someone who doesn't know how the hell things work.


As your Edit to that post suggests you did intend it as insulting, or atleast..."put me in my place" in which you arrogently think that I belong.

And I'm sorry you took that as insulting. At the time, I meant it in the friendly sense.

Now? Now I acknowledge you as a n00b.


IN the huge war threads that sometimes pop up, where people actually think they can gain something and refuse to lose, your ship would be concidered a Wank or a Godmod.

Please, the existence of those threads is an unfortunate result of people who think in terms of winning and losing. That you even bring it up speaks volumes about you.

This alone is the reason that Canon techs are used by most of NS because it eliminates alot of arguing.

I actually broke out laughing. A handful of pages back, there was an argument over canon tech. Star Wars, to be exact. Your inexperience betrays you.

Most techs are based on accepted phsyics and hard to argue against.

And your lack of knowledge in general. Star Wars and Star Trek? Most common canon techs on NS. Accepted physics? You've got to be kidding.

Now getting creative Is encouraged, I rather detest people who use all premade tech. I started in StarCraft Tech but then began developing my own designs and tech and have had much fun.

Good to know you aren't a complete waste, were it not for your other issues.

And i only edit my posts because I think of better ways to word my arguments, I don't change the overal message.

No, you might not intend to change the overall message, but you do.

Must you make everything about you? A flame war erupted on his thread which I sadly was a part of. I feel it's only right to appologize, I dunno maybe just some moral decency I guess.

Please. You got butthurt about my sarcastic response to your statement, escalated things, then continued the argument while apologizing to Bal. How the hell am I making everything about me? I'm not innocent, but don't try to play the victim here.

Oh yes, and that part in your last post? Nice one. Hypocrisy is nice, isn't it?


I'm sorry things got this far, Tarsonis. I really am. If I had disregarded your initial comment as the rambling of an ignorant n00b, maybe I'd still respect you.

Reckon it's time to create a new argument thread, Bal? :p

Maybe I can do some mediation here or something, I don't know. My nation's characters always insist on it so maybe they can teach me something.



Mek, disregarding somebody because of their join date really sucks. Aside from the fact that many players have puppets of varying ages to allow themselves to try out new nation concepts, you also have to bear in mind that NationStates isn't the be all and end all of either RPing or sci-fi. A new player isn't necessarily inexperienced, just unaware of how a particular community functions is all. They're also people, who like yourself generally don't like to be patronised just because they discovered the site after we did. That said, telling you to stop using one of the core aspects of your nation really sucks as well, but you can't say that you're really surprised to find at least one person with an issue over the things, can you?



Tarsonis, Mek has been using his Darkships for as long as any of us can remember and he's not going to stop any time soon (unless he has plans we don't know about). Most players, or at least the ones he hangs out with, accept their existence (if begrudgingly in some cases) and I don't think Mek is the kind of person who would have a Darkship pop up in a random thread created by somebody he doesn't know very well unless he asked if they're OK with it first. You never had anything to worry about really, and if they really bother you, just don't go near any threads that have the words 'Mekanta' or 'Darkship' in them. There's a search facility in each thread that you can use to find out for sure.

As for technology from established science fiction universes being based on 'accepted physics', that's just wrong on so many levels and you probably already know that. Star Trek, which I use for this nation (albeit souped-up TMP era stuff) is utterly bogus with almost no basis in reality whatsoever, and I admit as much freely. The same is true of Star Wars, Stargate, B5 or any other TV or movie you want to pick (with the possible exceptions in some areas of nBSG or Firefly). They break the laws of physics as much as Mekanta does, but 'cause they use handwavium to explain it away people tend to accept it more. People like myself use them purely because we like them and have no imagination, and everybody argues about it as you can see just by scrolling back through this thread.



Won't y'all calm down and stop trashing Bal's thread now? If you both really want to keep flaming each other there's a PM facility on these forums, or TGs on NS.net that work just as well for pissing each other off!

I, for one, certainly do see the word 'newblood' as condescending, even if you don't. Just because someone's new around here doesn't mean what they say is to be discounted. You were certainly using it in a condescending fashion.

And frankly, Mekanta, an ability to make up reams of technobabble doesn't neccesarily make you better than people who prefer pre-made stuff.

I would like to put forward the question - who gives a damn?

Tarsonis wont RP with Mekanta. End of discussion.

Though if you come to these boards with the intent of "winning" an RP, you are doing something wrong good sir.


That said, I'm somewhat tempted to take on a Darkship with my use of torchdrive artillery platforms with guided kinetics and picket ships just to see if I could beat one.

I could wipe out entire solar systems with nearly no chances to stop such extermination, just like a big MT NS can do the "I launch 1000 nukes. Post losses". Except that such tools might mean Mutually Assured Destruction.

"Zomg it's wankage IGNORE Solar Communes Gais!"

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x.html#rbomb
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3aa.html#killingstar

Solar Communes spacecrafts are like badass main characters from Ninja movies. They don't have any armor, but they usually can avoid getting hit even in the nastiest situations. Their best defenses are offense and to avoid getting hit.

And truth be told, someone may roll over in his grave whenever the LOL Superlarge Hadron Collider is applied, and brought out from the Warp unless FTLi applies. Or in other words, whenever the thing reaches Honorverse and Dr. Who grade stuff.

ITT: The guy who masturbates over hard Scifi and his dislike of FTL pretending that relativistic-anythings are realistic.

Anyone need an umbrella? Those pretentious jerks have a habit of splurging on everything within a five-metre radius.

I could wipe out entire solar systems with nearly no chances to stop such extermination, just like a big MT NS can do the "I launch 1000 nukes. Post losses". Except that such tools might mean Mutually Assured Destruction.

Except that in MT NS, people will wank ABM to insanity. And people in FT NS will wank various technobabble.

Planet-killing and nation-killing weapons are bad RP because people will rarely consent to having their nation killed.

I did it once!

It wasn't fun.

EDIT: Good guys...do not always win. That is a traditional trait of story telling that dates back from the beggining of human history. Stories of heroes that do great feats to conquer threats to their people or way of life, therefor classified as evil. But in the more Shakespearen level of story telling, evil can very much triumph over good.

That is quite correct. Evil can triumph over good. And on a higher level still we enter a moral gray area where the two sides in the conflict are neither good nor evil, and the reader must decide for himself which one to support.

Still, RPing is about telling a story, and a general rule of storytelling is that any unstoppable superweapons will either be lost, destroyed, or sealed away at the end. (Or alternately, used, resulting in the destruction of the world/galaxy/universe -- and subsequently lost, destroyed, or sealed away.) Another rule is that, the more overwhelming the odds against a character, the more likely their victory.

Thus, if you have a single fighter craft manned by named characters, and a Darkship turns up to attack it, I'm putting my money on the fighter. On the other hand, if you have a fleet of three thousand ships and a Darkship turns up to attack them, you'll probably lose every last one. This has been factually demonstrated on the Discworld (see Interesting Times, and The Last Hero). :D

Planet-killing and nation-killing weapons are bad RP because people will rarely consent to having their nation killed.

My general rule is that, if you want to kill my planet/star system/whatever, ask me first. I'll probably be fine with it. Yeah, so I'll lose my "nation", but again: RPing is about telling stories. I can then do a whole BSG-inspired RP featuring the survivors of Vojvodina-Nihon fleeing the attack with the remnants of the Navy, blah blah. And maybe eventually settle in another star system somewhere else. Sure, with a drastically reduced population or something, but that's not really the point.

Except that in MT NS, people will wank ABM to insanity. And people in FT NS will wank various technobabble.

Planet-killing and nation-killing weapons are bad RP because people will rarely consent to having their nation killed.*ponders how the runes warding the Temples of the Ancestors would interact with the sun of the homeworld being unholified, and the events that would follow*

...Holy hell, that would be awesome. Where'd that undead in space guy go?

I agree with you Vojvodina that RPing is all about the story telling, not about winning, although clearly giving your characters the drive to win is a part of it; but you can't let it colour your own OOC approach.

With regard to the past posts about Neo-Mekanta's tech, i'd say that firstly it doesn't matter if it doesn't affect the story, secondly if you are concerned about it then simply don't RP with him, thridly there seems to be a bizzarre NS unspoen rule that the longer you stick around the more leeway your given with your tech, although I suppose that's due to population ect.

And last and most importantly, if you are crazy enough, or unfortunate enough, to go to war with Mekanta, have him and his vessels looming over your rubble strwen planet with capital ships sticking up out of lakes then given his monstrous fire power i'd say that nukes go from being N00B guns to fire crackers; as such, theres never been a better time to dust them off and go for the MAD policy :D

Tarsonis, Mek has been using his Darkships for as long as any of us can remember

*waves miniature "2002" flag*

I still have my original February 2003 army list! I was there when Klonor created the Galactic Alliance! I stood with Indra Prime in the Shivan War! I'm still relevant, damnit!!!

:D



And truth be told, someone may roll over in his grave whenever the LOL Superlarge Hadron Collider is applied...



...but I'm not dead yet! :(


:D

I agree with you Vojvodina that RPing is all about the story telling, not about winning, although clearly giving your characters the drive to win is a part of it; but you can't let it colour your own OOC approach.

RP is neither about story-telling nor about winning. RP is about having fun.

If you RP to 'win' but you do this gracefully and cooperate with other players and write well, more power to you.

I really must thank Mekenta, he always has a way of making things as amusingly laughable as possible. XD

*waves miniature "2002" flag*

I still have my original February 2003 army list! I was there when Klonor created the Galactic Alliance! I stood with Indra Prime in the Shivan War! I'm still relevant, damnit!!!

No one remembers Feazanthia's contribution to the Shivan War :(



...well, maybe because I was a noob. But still!

RP is neither about story-telling nor about winning. RP is about having fun.

If you RP to 'win' but you do this gracefully and cooperate with other players and write well, more power to you.

*Bows* I meant that but failed to either mention it or imply it in my post. Thank you, you are correct (as you will no doubt know :D)

Okay, after a few hours, I can see how the newblood part could be insulting, and I apologize for that part. There was really no way of putting that in a non-condescending way, and I'm sorry.


*waves miniature "2002" flag*

I still have my original February 2003 army list! I was there when Klonor created the Galactic Alliance! I stood with Indra Prime in the Shivan War! I'm still relevant, damnit!!!

You never were relevant, you're just a stepping stone for CF and I.

And an eventual source for battleplate casinos. ^_^

Feaz is bored.

Anyone know of a plotline I can muck up?

Or a data system I can hack for navigational and political data?

And frankly, Mekanta, an ability to make up reams of technobabble doesn't neccesarily make you better than people who prefer pre-made stuff.

Not as such, although original tech (or at least craftily ripped off from many varied sources) is generally seen as more creative than just using, say, stock SW tech.

Incidentally, I rate Facehuggerian weapons yields in 'stardestroyer equivelents [SDQ] destroyed per shot.'

For lulz.

Or a data system I can hack for navigational and political data?

FacehuggerChan. Or the Solar Communes data networks. :D

Not as such, although original tech (or at least craftily ripped off from many varied sources) is generally seen as more creative than just using, say, stock SW tech.

I think it only counts as creative if you can make a pretty picture of it. Otherwise it just makes it somewhat less detailed than any stock tech: for instance, the specifications for V-N's Heavy Cruisers (the largest warships I have) consist entirely of "Heavy Cruiser". I have no idea how large they are, what kind of power system they use, what the yield on their grav-cannons is, et cetera, et cetera -- partly because I've never used them in an RP, partly because I don't care all too much. This makes me terribly uncreative -- even more so than if I did the same thing and merely decided to call it something unique, like "Super Pudding-Shaped Chrome-Plated Battlebathrobe of Doom Mark III", as even the name "cruiser" is ripped off of naval ships.

ITT: The guy who masturbates over hard Scifi and his dislike of FTL pretending that relativistic-anythings are realistic.

Anyone need an umbrella? Those pretentious jerks have a habit of splurging on everything within a five-metre radius.

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs29/f/2008/062/b/9/SRS_BUSINESS_GAIS_by_Booter_Freak.jpg

Besides, I don't care about winning.

I think it only counts as creative if you can make a pretty picture of it.

What a narrow minded view.

Not that I can't make pretty pictures (http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/Kanuckistan/), but it's like saying a painting isn't art unless some snob with a degree finds some abstract meaning in it.

It's an insult to all those who have spent time and effort - in often substantial amounts - crafting their works.

"By words one transmits thoughts to another, by means of art, one transmits feelings."

"And so the arbitrary union of three incommensurate, mutually disconnected concepts became the basis of a bewildering theory... [by which] one of the lowest renderings of art, art for mere pleasure - against which all of the master teachers warned - was idealized as the ultimate in art."

- Leo Tolstoy

Man this is a boring thread. Where are the pictures?

"By words one transmits thoughts to another, by means of art, one transmits feelings."

"And so the arbitrary union of three incommensurate, mutually disconnected concepts became the basis of a bewildering theory... [by which] one of the lowest renderings of art, art for mere pleasure - against which all of the master teachers warned - was idealized as the ultimate in art."

- Leo Tolstoy

"Tits or GTFO."

-Anonymous.

Man this is a boring thread. Where are the pictures?

I did just link to my photobucket account. :(

I did just link to my photobucket account. :(Aww... But clicking a link is such hard work!