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Based on last entry during the war, and likely builds and plans indicated to me and what he actually could have done:

Japanese Imperial Army
6 infantry corps, 6 reserve infantry corps, 2 fighter, 1 bomber, 3 pilots, 2 garrison units (Formosa, Sakkalin)

IJN
Japan has 7 tech level 6 battleships (modernized)( Nagato, Mikasa 5/6/4/4, Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyuga,4/4/4/4 Kirishima, Haruna,4/3/6/5, 2 Tech level 6 battleships (Yamato, Mushashi 6/9/5/5), 4 tech level 6 (modernized) fleet carriers (Akagi, Kaga 1/3/5/4, Kongo, Hiei 1/2/6/4), 4 tech level 6 carriers (Hiryu, Soryu 0/1/6/5, Shokaku, Zuikaku 1/3/7/6), 9 tech level 6 modernized heavy cruisers (Furutaka, Kako, Nachi, Myoko, Kitsugari, Aoba, Kinugasa, Haguro, Ashigara, 1/2/7/5), 9 tech level 6 modernized light cruisers (Kimu, Naara, Yubari, Sendai, Kitakami, Oi, Kiso, Naka, Jintsu 1/1/7/4), 10 tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship), 120 tech level 5 destroyers (6 light ship units), 40 tech level 5 submarines (2 submarine units) 3 carrier fighters, 4 carrier torpedo bombers, 3 carrier dive bombers, 10 carrier pilots, 1 4-engined naval air unit, 1 2-engined naval air unit, 2 pilots, 1 marine corps, 16 shipping units, 1 amphibious fleet,

While the Japanese Navy had a very successful war, the Army felt extremely slighted, and feels that its efforts in Siberia were in vain. A quirk in the Japanese constitution means that both the Army and Navy Ministers are serving officers, and they have the ability to bring down the government or block the creation of a government should they chose.

maintenance works out to be 29.5 points

MILITARY MAINTENANCE

The Army

1 HQ unit
2 9 point mechanized corps
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps
2 field artillery units
1 amphibious unit

TOTAL: 7 points

The Royal Navy

4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant,
1 modernised HMS Hood (which becomes 4 attack, 5 defense, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defense, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
3 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes, HMS Eagle, HMS Vindictive,
4 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous, HMS Glorious, HMS Furious, HMS Argus
8 Tech 6 submarine units (80 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
16 Tech 6 Light ship (160 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
10 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres, HMS Carlisle,
20 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft, HMS Newcastle, HMS Southampton, HMS Kilmarnock, HMS Leicester, HMS Cambridge, HMS Oxford,

TOTAL: 34 points

Fleet Air Arm

3 carrier fighter units
4 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 2 dive bomber)
7 naval aviation pilots

TOTAL: 4 points

The Royal Airforce

5 bombers (Handley Page Hampdens)
5 UK fighters (Hawker Hurricanes)
12 pilot units

TOTAL: 18 points

The Army Reserves
Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list.

1 Field Artillery
2 8 point mechanised corps
1 HQ unit
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

TOTAL: 4 points

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Other Defences

3 Flak artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

TOTAL 3 points

MAINTENANCE TOTAL: 70 points

BUILDS

currently 2 Tech 6 Battleship attack 5, protection 8, speed 6, range 7 build time 5 years (16 inch guns),under construction. These will replace the aging QE class ships when built alongside another two to be laid down next year.

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Thanks. Now, here is the Japanese military for 1932:

Japanese Imperial Army
6 infantry corps
6 reserve infantry corps
2 fighters
1 bomber
3 pilots
2 garrison units (Formosa, Sakkalin)

Imperial Japanese Navy
7x modernised tech level 6 battleships (modernized)( Nagato, Mikasa 5/6/4/4, Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyuga,4/4/4/4 Kirishima, Haruna,4/3/6/5
2x Tech level 6 battleships (Yamato, Mushashi 6/9/5/5)
4x modernized tech level 6 fleet carriers (Akagi, Kaga 1/3/5/4, Kongo, Hiei 1/2/6/4)
4x tech level 6 carriers (Hiryu, Soryu 0/1/6/5, Shokaku, Zuikaku 1/3/7/6)
9x tech level 6 modernized heavy cruisers (Furutaka, Kako, Nachi, Myoko, Kitsugari, Aoba, Kinugasa, Haguro, Ashigara, 1/2/7/5)
9x tech level 6 modernized light cruisers (Kimu, Naara, Yubari, Sendai, Kitakami, Oi, Kiso, Naka, Jintsu 1/1/7/4)
10x tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship)
120x tech level 5 destroyers (6 light ship units)
40x tech level 5 submarines (2 submarine units)
3x carrier fighters
4x carrier torpedo bombers
3x carrier dive bombers
10x carrier pilots
1x 4-engined naval air unit
1x 2-engined naval air unit
2x pilots
1x marine corps
16x shipping units
1x amphibious fleet,

maintenance: 29.5 points

Projected 1938 military

Japanese Imperial Army
6 motorized corps
6 reserve infantry corps
2 fighters
1 bomber
3 pilots
2 garrison units (Formosa, Sakkalin)

Imperial Japanese Navy
7x modernised tech level 6 modernized battleships ( Nagato, Mikasa 5/6/4/4, Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyuga,4/4/4/4 Kirishima, Haruna,4/3/6/5)
2x Tech level 6 battleships (Yamato, Mushashi 6/9/5/5)
4x modernized tech level 6 fleet carriers (Akagi, Kaga 1/3/5/4, Kongo, Hiei 1/2/6/4)
5x tech level 6 fleet carriers (no names yet)
4x tech level 6 carriers (Hiryu, Soryu 0/1/6/5, Shokaku, Zuikaku 1/3/7/6)
9x tech level 6 modernized heavy cruisers (Furutaka, Kako, Nachi, Myoko, Kitsugari, Aoba, Kinugasa, Haguro, Ashigara, 1/2/7/5)
9x tech level 6 modernized light cruisers (Kimu, Naara, Yubari, Sendai, Kitakami, Oi, Kiso, Naka, Jintsu 1/1/7/4)
120x tech level 5 destroyers (6 light ship units)
10x tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship unit)
40x tech level 5 submarines (2 submarine units)
5x carrier fighters
5x carrier torpedo bombers
5x carrier dive bombers
15x carrier pilots
1x 4-engined naval air unit
1x 2-engined naval air unit
2x pilots
1x marine corps
16x shipping units
2x amphibious fleet

maintenance: 36.5 points

The MEU Arm forces
As of 1933

The MEU- A Single Army Division can be at 10,000 troops at its lowest and 20,000 troop at max.
Army Core as of 1926, the standing army
300,000 troops (100 percent fully trained)
Number of Army corps: 60 Army Division at the moment.
300,000 Reservist Division (only call to duty in times of war, well trained)" They are on duty."

Total number of Troops in the standing peacetime army, 600,000 troops(including supply soldiers)

Note: Each Army Core is assign 9 battalions of infantry, 4 battalions of artillery, plus a machine gun and armored car battalion

MEU forces

Egypt - 1 MEU Mech corps (Suez), 1 MEU infantry corps (Suez), 1 MEU Mech corps (Alexandria,), 1 fighter unit(Alexandria)
Persia -2 MEU Mech corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur) 3 MEU Armour Cavalry”reseved” from the Soviet Union( Base in Tehran)
Iraq – 1 MEU Mech corps (Basra), 1 MEU garrison unit (Baghdad),1 MEU armored corps" reserve"(Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Riyadh)
Syria – 1 MEU Mech corps (Damascus), 1 MEU Cavalry corps "reserve"( (Damascus), 1 fighter unit(Damascus) 2 Field artillery units "reserve"((Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 MEU Mech corps, 1 MEU Amphibious unit"reserve" ,1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 MEU garrison (Gallipolli), 1 MEU Alpine corps (Ezrurum) "reserve", Flak artillery(Istanbul),Coast artillery(Gallipolli)

MEU Air Core
Made of mostly German Made planes
Three Fighter Unit
Two Air Force pliots
One pilot for domestic airlines
one domestic airlines

The Navy as of early 1932

Battleships

1 CAIO DUILIO CLASS Battleship(build by the Italians in 1922)

2 Conti di Cavour Battlecruiser( build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Battleships(being build by the Germans, will be competed by 1934)

4 Battlecruisers(being build by the Germans,will be competed by 1934)

Carrier
2 "Taiho class"Fleet carriers( building by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, will be competed by 1935)
3 light carriers(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)
1 training carrier(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)

Cruisers
4 Hawkins Class Heavy Cruisers(Build by the British, 1921)"scrapped, yet will be scapped by 1934, when the new cruisers should be ready
6 Cruisers(being build by the Germans,will be competed by 1933)

Light Cruisers

6 Town Class Light Cruisers (Build by the British, 1922)"scrapped”

10 Danae Class Light Cruisers (Build by the British, 1922)” scrapped”


Destroyers

20 W Class Destroyers(Build by the British in 1921)"scrapped"

20 Destroyers(Build by the Italians in 1922)

10 Destoryers(being build by the Germans,will be competed by 1933)

Submarines
40 U-boats(made by the Germans in 1924.) "Scrapped”

Cargo shipping units
four shipping units

Total cost of maintain 26 points (note I am not sure if I did this right, if someone could looked this over and help, I’ll be very thankful.)

in the United States, officers in the Army Air Force begin a serious study of the potential usefulness of long range bombers attacking enemy factories in time of war. The B17C, the newest version of that bomber, is looked as a prospective weapon in this kind of war. However, to reach targets deep in the Union or China, the most likely opponents of the US in another war, a longer ranged bomber is needed. The B29 and B36 as concepts come about as a result (ooc although still years away from possible production or even testing for that matter).

The US Army Air Force does begin conducting further experiments with in flight air to air refueling however. The US also begins looking at the possibility of rocket assisted takeoff for heavily laden aircraft in order to increase range. Neither technology is anywhere close to ready however (ooc, as both are tech level 7 technologies).

In France, French researchers are looking into long-range fighter aircraft, as well as faster planes, including jet technology. Others are looking at the possiblity of a small, hand-held, rocket-propelled anti-tank weapon to be used by infantry. They are also developing better ani-tank artillery and lookng into mines. They too are looking into rocket propelled aircraft, although their research is more along the lines of long-range missiles instead of actual craft.

[OOC: Most of this stuff is a long time away from even seeing actual use, except for the anti-tank rockets. I think.]

[OOC: Most of this stuff is a long time away from even seeing actual use, except for the anti-tank rockets. I think.]

anti tank rockets are very likely to show up...early model versions of the bazooka and panzerfaust, as well as improved anti tank rifles would be a big priority considering how important mechanized forces were in the last war. Decent anti tank guns (57 and 75 mm guns) would also be a high priority as would anti tank mines.

Considering France got overrun by mechanized forces during the last war, it is reasonable they would make determined efforts in this area.

My view is that France would develop light anti tank weapons first, followed by everyone else. Probably a PIAT design initially (as in 1934) followed by Panzerfaust type weapons in 1936. Everyone else a year after them.

speaking of antitank weapons, the Chinese Rebels are placing orders for French light anti tank weapons and German anti tank guns and Finnish anti tank rifles. They also want an air force at some point, and lots and lots of naval mines.

The RAF begins funding extensively the research of Frank Whittle into jet technology. The first objective is to get a working prototype up and running as soon as possible. Whittle is given premises at an old RAF warehouse in Rugy and a team of specialists to assist his work. Rolls Royce are contracted to build a functioning engine and a simple airframe design has been commissioned from Gloster Aircraft Company.

OOC: Too early or is everyone OK with this? It's around the right time (perhaps a little late if we take into account the tech difference).

The RAF begins funding extensively the research of Frank Whittle into jet technology. The first objective is to get a working prototype up and running as soon as possible. Whittle is given premises at an old RAF warehouse in Rugy and a team of specialists to assist his work. Rolls Royce are contracted to build a functioning engine and a simple airframe design has been commissioned from Gloster Aircraft Company.

OOC: Too early or is everyone OK with this? It's around the right time (perhaps a little late if we take into account the tech difference).

yes, its too early for an actual operational jet, but a prototype should be doable in a couple of years.

OK, in which case take the above to be merely the beginning of research and it'll take a while for suitable prototype to be built. Thanks for your help GB.

speaking of antitank weapons, the Chinese Rebels are placing orders for French light anti tank weapons and German anti tank guns and Finnish anti tank rifles. They also want an air force at some point, and lots and lots of naval mines.

French Fusée Portative D'Anti-Armure (FPAA), or Portable Anti-Armor Rocket (PAAR), begin finding their way into the hands of Chinese rebels. The French government denies any knowledge of arms sales.

The PAAR is a spring-loaded anti-tank weapon. It can be fired relatively silently and with no flash or smoke to betray the firer's position. However, it's range is limited to a little less the fifty yards and if fired from a standing position, you must manually re-cock the spring. It is, however light and portable. However, a second man must carry extra charges.

Republic of Vietnam Army
Report Circa 1934:

Army

1st Infantry Division
3x Infantry Corps




An Infantry Corps comprises of eight Light Infantry Battalions [Rifles] and two Heavy Infantry Battalions [MGs and Anti Tank]

An Infantry Battalion [Light and Heavy] are comprised of eight Companies, named Mot, Hai, Ba, Bon, Nam, Sau, Bay and Tam companies.
Each company has two platoons which are temselves comprised of fours squads of ten to twelve men.

Republic of Vietnam Army
Report Circa 1934:

Army

1st Infantry Division
3x Infantry Corps

An Infantry Corps comprises of eight Light Infantry Battalions [Rifles] and two Heavy Infantry Battalions [MGs and Anti Tank]

An Infantry Battalion [Light and Heavy] are comprised of eight Companies, named Mot, Hai, Ba, Bon, Nam, Sau, Bay and Tam companies.
Each company has two platoons which are temselves comprised of fours squads of ten to twelve men.

that is a division sized unit. A Vietnamese or Chinese Corps consists of 4 divisions plus support troops or 35,000 - 50,000 men. A division is 8,000 - 15,000 men. An Army is either 3 or 4 divisions (Japanese) or 2 - 4 corps (everyone else pretty much).

A battalion is about 400-1,000 men, a regiment or brigade consists of 2 - 5 battalions and a division consists of 2 - 10 battalions or 2 - 4 brigades/regiments.

A Vietnamese Army of 3 corps gives you 12 divisions, or an army the size Giap and Ho Chi Minh beat the French with during the French Indochina War.

speaking of antitank weapons, the Chinese Rebels are placing orders for French light anti tank weapons and German anti tank guns and Finnish anti tank rifles. They also want an air force at some point, and lots and lots of naval mines.

I didn't have any tanks whatsoever in China. Not only that, but I don't believe I'm going to build tanks for a long while- either as the rebels or the National Revolutionary Army because I can't build tanks- too expensive at this point in time.

that is a division sized unit. A Vietnamese or Chinese Corps consists of 4 divisions plus support troops or 35,000 - 50,000 men. A division is 8,000 - 15,000 men. An Army is either 3 or 4 divisions (Japanese) or 2 - 4 corps (everyone else pretty much).

A battalion is about 400-1,000 men, a regiment or brigade consists of 2 - 5 battalions and a division consists of 2 - 10 battalions or 2 - 4 brigades/regiments.

A Vietnamese Army of 3 corps gives you 12 divisions, or an army the size Giap and Ho Chi Minh beat the French with during the French Indochina War.

Ok... ill reorganize, I didnt realize how big a corps was and the scale at which we make military actions.

Republic of Vietnam Army
Report Circa 1934:

Army

1st Army
3x Infantry Corps
1st Infantry Corps- 4 Divisions (48,000 men)
2nd Infantry Corps- 4 Divisions (60,000 men)
3rd Infantry Corps - 4 Divisions (48,000 men)

Ill go over it in much more detail later going down to probably about battalion level.

I didn't have any tanks whatsoever in China. Not only that, but I don't believe I'm going to build tanks for a long while- either as the rebels or the National Revolutionary Army because I can't build tanks- too expensive at this point in time.

China does have lots of buildings though, and its amazing how useful a light anti tank weapon is for city fighting. The Japanese have lots of tanks by the way. So do the Russians.

Hungary has moblized its forces (did so when Russia did) and has activiated all of its three infantry reserve corps. It is in the proccess of upgrading these to motorized. (will do so next year)

Total Military:
2 Mechanized Corps
3 Infantry Corps

incidently, tech level 5 units are not doubled when defending a city against tech level 6 units (as tech level 6 units have far more firepower proportionally and absolutely). Which means the Chinese cities aren't as valuable as they would have been during the 2nd Great War. From now on, only cities that have a production value double the defender (more industrial complexes and heavier constructed buildings). So for example, Peking doubles the defense, while Tsingtao for example would not have.

chemical weapons may be rearing their ugly head soon..

Improved chemistry (chemical weapons) -- allows the creations of nerve type gases. When used, considered an atrocity, however, doubles the attack strength of all units in an attack where it is used. However, all units involved in the attack are disorganized at the end of combat (warfare and movement is really, really slow under chemical warfare conditions, just ask anyone who has ever had to use MOPP gear).

incidently, tech level 5 units are not doubled when defending a city against tech level 6 units (as tech level 6 units have far more firepower proportionally and absolutely). Which means the Chinese cities aren't as valuable as they would have been during the 2nd Great War. From now on, only cities that have a production value double the defender (more industrial complexes and heavier constructed buildings). So for example, Peking doubles the defense, while Tsingtao for example would not have.
I thought defenses were doubled from fortifications?

And I had a question about artillery. Actually, I want to know everything about artillery. I know two corps is the maximum for occupying a hex, but what about artillery? And what, if anything, actually works against fortifications other than railway siege guns.

Oh yeah, and how many fighters and bombers can accompany a ground attack?

All this is kind of important with guys like Guderian and Rommel running around with T-34s (that's gotta be somebody's nightmare).

And I get the Me-262 when, exactly? I'm definitely funding research into jets.

I thought defenses were doubled from fortifications?

And I had a question about artillery. Actually, I want to know everything about artillery. I know two corps is the maximum for occupying a hex, but what about artillery? And what, if anything, actually works against fortifications other than railway siege guns.

Oh yeah, and how many fighters and bombers can accompany a ground attack?

All this is kind of important with guys like Guderian and Rommel running around with T-34s (that's gotta be somebody's nightmare).

And I get the Me-262 when, exactly? I'm definitely funding research into jets.

both cities and fortifications double defense (maximum benefit is triple though), as does rough terrain and mountains. However, higher tech units have a substantial advantage against lower tech units.. hence the rule adjustment.

Maximum stacking is 2 corps plus one other unit (artillery or HQ).

There limit of naval and air support to an attack is the ground strength. So 6 ground points supported by 6 naval bombardment points supported by 6 bombing points is the maximum of 18 for example.

Operational jets will not be available before 1940. Me262s are the year after that (as those are second generation jet aircraft).

Thanks.

Incidentally, I'll be offline for the rest of the night.

the United States government informs the US Aviation and Auto industry to expect a big increase in orders beginning in January.

Both Hungarian Mechanized Corps are transfered to Eastern Russia and will be placed under Union command.

Nationalist China and Manchuria can now build infantry corps for 1 point, and garrison units for 2 points. Beginning January 1935.

The MEU Arm forces
As of 1935

The MEU- A Single Army Division can be at 10,000 troops at its lowest and 20,000 troop at max.
Army Core as of 1926, the standing army
300,000 troops (100 percent fully trained)
Number of Army corps: 60 Army Division at the moment.
300,000 Reservist Division (only call to duty in times of war, well trained)" They are on duty."

Total number of Troops in the standing peacetime army, 600,000 troops(including supply soldiers)

Note: Each Army Core is assign 9 battalions of infantry, 4 battalions of artillery, plus a machine gun and armored car battalion

MEU forces

Egypt - 1 MEU Mech corps (Alexandria,), 1 fighter unit(Alexandria)
Persia -2 MEU Mech corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur) 3 MEU Armour Cavalry”reseved” from the Soviet Union( Base in Tehran)
Iraq – 1 MEU Mech corps (Basra), 1 MEU garrison unit (Baghdad),1 MEU armored corps" reserve"(Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Riyadh),1 MEU infantry corps (Riyadh),
Syria – 1 MEU Mech corps (Damascus), 1 MEU Cavalry corps "reserve"( (Damascus), 1 fighter unit(Damascus) 2 Field artillery units "reserve"((Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 MEU Mech corps, 1 MEU Amphibious unit"reserve" ,1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 MEU garrison (Gallipolli), 1 MEU Alpine corps (Ezrurum) "reserve", Flak artillery(Istanbul),Coast artillery(Gallipolli)

East Turkistan-1 MEU Mech corps

MEU Air Core
Made of mostly German Made planes
Three Fighter Unit
Two Air Force pliots
One pilot for domestic airlines
one domestic airlines

The Navy as of early 1932

Battleships

1 CAIO DUILIO CLASS Battleship(build by the Italians in 1922)

2 Conti di Cavour Battlecruiser( build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Battleships(build by the Germans,competed by 1934)

4 Battlecruisers(build by the Germans, competed by 1934)

Carrier
2 "Taiho class"Fleet carriers( building by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, will be competed by 1935)(delay do to war)

2 Fleet Carriers(being builded by the Soivet Union, one will be compete by 1937 and the other by 1938)
3 light carriers(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)
1 training carrier(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)

Cruisers
6 Cruisers(Build by Germany competed by 1933)

Light Cruisers

Destroyers

20 Destroyers(Build by the Italians in 1922)

10 Destoryers( build by the Germans competed by 1933)

10 Destoryers(build in 1934 by MEU shipyards)

Submarines

Cargo shipping units
six shipping units

Total cost of maintain 26 points (note I am not sure if I did this right, if someone could looked this over and help, I’ll be very thankful.)

BRITISH MILITARY MAINTENANCE

The Army

1 HQ unit
2 9 point mechanized corps
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps
1 field artillery units
1 amphibious unit

TOTAL: 6.5 points

The Royal Navy

4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant, (TO BE REPLACED BY 4 NEW 16” VESSELS IN 1938, all currently under construction)
1 modernised HMS Hood (which becomes 4 attack, 5 defense, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defense, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
3 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes, HMS Eagle, HMS Vindictive,
4 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous, HMS Glorious, HMS Furious, HMS Argus
8 Tech 6 submarine units (80 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
16 Tech 6 Light ship (160 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
10 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres, HMS Carlisle,
20 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft, HMS Newcastle, HMS Southampton, HMS Kilmarnock, HMS Leicester, HMS Cambridge, HMS Oxford,

TOTAL: 34 points

Fleet Air Arm

2 carrier fighter units
3 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 1 dive bomber)
5 naval aviation pilots

TOTAL: 2.5 points

The Royal Airforce

5 bombers (Handley Page Hampdens)
5 UK fighters (Hawker Hurricanes)
12 pilot units

TOTAL: 18 points

The Army Reserves
Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list.

1 Field Artillery
2 8 point mechanised corps
1 HQ unit
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

TOTAL: 4 points

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Other Defences

3 Flak artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

TOTAL 3 points

MAINTENANCE TOTAL: 68 points

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GB what effect will obsolescence have on the game? I know that our land and air units are kept up to date by maintenence. Does the same apply to sea vessels? I didn't think so but I want to make sure before I post my builds. I am currently replacing some of my ships with new designs but this is largely a means to replace some old tech 5 ships. If I keep my existing tech 6 ships will they become obsolete before we reach tech 7 or not?

special note
effective January 1935, the British and Americans have gunnery rader for cruisers and larger ships, airborne radar (thus can build night fighters), and have developed the idea of radar jamming (but haven't experimented with it yet on a big scale)

The Union and France will get the above in 1936 (ooc Vas you don't have to spend points on improved radar, it is assumed at this point as a natural development).

The standard tank gun is 50-75 mm for the leading tech level 6 nations (UK, US, Union, France), and the 20 mm, 37 mm and 40 mm light anti aircraft and medium anti aircraft guns 76 -90 mm are becoming standard as well. Radar directed anti aircraft is still a couple of years away, as are proximity shells.

1935 US Military

US Navy
Carrier Aviation (maintenance 7 points)
7 tech level 6 fleet carriers: Lexington, Saratoga, Enterprise, Yorktown, Wasp, Hornet, Ranger (all are 100 aircraft, protection 3, speed 6, range 6) 3 Wildcats, 3 Dauntless, 1 Devastor, 7 pilots
4 tech level 6 (modernized) light carriers:, Theodore Roosevelt, William McKinley,
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln (4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 5, range 5, 4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 6, range 6) 1 Wildcat, 1 Devastator, 2 pilots

1 pilot, 1 Wildcat in reserve (at San Diego), 6 carrier pilots,

Surface force and other ships (maintenance 23 points)
4 tech level 6 Fast battleships: North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama, (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 5, range 6)
3 tech 6(modernized) (16 inch) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 3, range 5)
5 tech 6 (modernized)(14 inch) battleships Tennessee, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania ( firepower 4, protection 6, speed 3, and range 5)

15 tech level 6 Heavy cruisers (all are firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6)
Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem, Vincennes, Wichita, Baltimore

Light cruisers
15 Tech level 6 (modernized) Omaha class (firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6) Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam
5 tech level 6 Brooklyn class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise

Antiaircraft cruisers
2 tech level 6 Atlanta class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6), Atlanta, Juneau

Destroyers
150 tech level 6 destroyer escorts, (15 light ships), 80 tech level 6 destroyers (8 light ships)

Submarines
40 tech level 6 submarines

Transport and shipping
1 amphibious fleet
9 transport units (all others have been released back to merchant marine service)(converted from shipping units)
3 liner units (pulled from civilian service)
26 shipping units (13 million tons) commercial fleet,

US Landbased Naval Aviation (maintenance 15 points)
5 PBY, 9 pilots

Marine Corps (maintenance 1 point)
1 Amphibious corps

US Army Air Force (maintenance 37 points)
1 heavy bomber unit (B17C), 2 Air transport unit (DC3), 10 fighter units (P40), 10 bomber units (A20), 26 pilots (3 available for new aircraft)

US Army (includes mobilized reserves) (maintenance 37 points)
4 headquarters units, 10 garrison units (Pearl Harbor, Panama, Truk, Manila, 3 each coast)), 2 armored corps (2 divisions each), 6 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 9 motorized infantry corps (2 divisions each), 1 mountain corps (2 divisions), 6 field artillery units, 11 coast defense units (Manila, Pearl Harbor, Truk, Panama, 3 each coast), 10 flak units (Pearl Harbor, Truk, Panama, Manila, 3 each coast), 4 fortifications (Truk, Manila, Panama, Oahu)

also 1 national airline, 1 international airline, plus 2 pilots (remain unmobilized at this time, but subject to mobilization to the Army if needed)

Total Maintenance 120 points

Deployment information can be found here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10083930&postcount=415

British deployment info:

The Army

1 HQ unit (London)
2 9 point mechanized corps (1 in Egypt, 1 in Singapore)
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps (1 in Nigeria, 1 in Yemen)
1 field artillery units (1 on English South Coast)
1 amphibious unit (1 at Portsmouth under Navy Control)

The Royal Navy

Home Fleet
4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant, (TO BE REPLACED BY 4 NEW 16” VESSELS IN 1938, all currently under construction)
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes,
1 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Argus
2 Tech 6 submarine units (20 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
4 Tech 6 Light ship (40 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
3 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres,
5 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin,

Atlantic Fleet
1 modernised HMS Hood (which becomes 4 attack, 5 defense, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
1 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous,
1 Tech 6 submarine units (10 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
3 Tech 6 Light ship (30 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
2 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian,
5 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft,

Mediteranean Fleet
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defense, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Vindictive,
2 Tech 6 submarine units (20 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
4 Tech 6 Light ship (40 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
2 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham,
4 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham,

Pacific Fleet
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Eagle,
2 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Furious, HMS Glorious,
3 Tech 6 submarine units (30 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
5 Tech 6 Light ship (50 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
3 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh,
6 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester,

Fleet Air Arm

2 carrier fighter units
3 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 1 dive bomber)
5 naval aviation pilots

The Royal Airforce

5 bombers (Handley Page Hampdens) (4 UK, 1 Egypt)
5 UK fighters (Hawker Hurricanes) (2 UK, 1 Singapore, 1 Egypt, 1 Malta)
12 pilot units

The Army Reserves
Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list. All non-permenant army members and hence currently involved with peace-time jobs (in the UK), listed places are TA barracks.

1 Field Artillery, (Honourable Artillery Company in London)
2 8 point mechanised corps, (Midlands and South England; Northern England and Scotland)
1 HQ unit (Sandhurst in South England)
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

The Merchant Navy
Currently engaged in commerce at various worldwide ports, under private control

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce
Currently engaged in commerce at various airports, typically Western Europe and North America, under private control

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Other Defences

3 Flak artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

RAF bomber command upgrades to Handley Page Halifaxes (mk 1) as it's principle fighter. All UK aircraft are upgraded, those stationed abroad will have final shipments of aircraft reach them within the year.

RAF fighter command begins flying in Supermarine Spitfire mk1s, both of the UK Hurricane units are upgraded and those abroad wil receive aircraft within 18 months.

All ex-service aircraft will be made available to international buyers.

ooc
as war moderator

IC
The Argentine government seeks permission from the British government to purchase 500 DeHaviland Mosquitos. It also wants to buy 1000 Mitsubishi A6Ms from Japan as well. In addition, it is seeking to purchase British armored vehicles and American trucks to modernize its military forces (to tech level 6).

The US government approves the sale of trucks.

Italy declares its Neutrality in the China War, and quietly informs the LTA that 2 wars in 30 years are enough. Unless directly attacked, it will not go to war again except in defense of the LTA. However, it also modernizes its military forces.

ooc
I will update the Argentine and Italian militarys fairly soon.

Military of the Federated States of India, 1935

Army
x1 Infantry Corp (Peshawar)
x1 Infantry Corp (Naini Tal)
x1 Infantry Corp (Poona)
x1 Infantry Corp (Bombay)
x1 Mechanized Infantry Corp (Calcutta)
x1 HQ Corp (Delhi)

Airforce
x1 Fighter (Hawker Hurricane)
x1 Pilot

Navy
x1 Arethusa class light cruiser (FSS Aap)

Note: The new Socialist government wishing to spend more on public development, cut the airforce from the budget. They also disbanded the Madras mechanized infantry corp.

Army
1x Mechanized Corp [Tempe]

Air Reserve
1x Fighter Unit (Gloster Gladiators) [Tempe]
1x Pilot Unit [Tempe]

South African Naval Service
2x Tech 6 Light Ship (5 cruisers, 10 destroyers) [1 squadron at Simonstown, 1 squadron at Durban]

Note: Tempe, outside of Bloemfontein, is the main military base in South Africa, and most of the country's weapons and military fuel reserves are stockpiled there.

How many air transport units does it take to move one unit of paratroopers?

How many air transport units does it take to move one unit of paratroopers?
Nevermind. I get it. The advantage of four-engined transports over twin-engined transports is fewer actual planes. But both "units" will carry one corps.

French Army

The French Army is cloesly modeled on that of the United States. It's main tank is the SOMOUA S-35 medium tank. It is being upgunnned to a 75mm. It's heavy tank is the Char B1-bis. The hull-gun remains a 75mm, while the turret is currently being upgraded to a 50mm version. The principal light tank is the R-35, armed with a 47mm gun and/or machine guns.

The standard rifle is a copy of the German 98k, while the principle light-machine gun is the somewhat dated but still useful FAB. The principal MMG is a copy of the MG-34. The heavy machine gun remains the Hotchkiss-14. NCOs and most officers carry either a rifle or the Ppsh submachine gun. 60mm mortars are standard throughout the military, as are the new light anti-tank rocket launchers and the new anti-tank mines are beginning to catch on.

Anti-tank guns are on the rise, with the principle gun being the 47mm Camle.

French Expeditionary Force

Currently Deployed to China.

5xMechanized Corp
1xAlpine Corp
1xHQ Unit
1xTheater Suppply Unit
1xMechanized Artillery Unit
1xRocket Artillery Unit

Armee d'Air Units in China

3xFighter Groups (DW.520)
1xSingle Engine Bomber Group (LN.411 dive bomber)
2xMaritime Bomber Units

6xPilots

Home Forces
2xCoastal Artillery Units
2xFlak Units


French Navy

Although limited by the treaty at the end of the Second Great War, the French Navy continues to have it's pride. Although most of thier ships are destroyers or light cruisers, they maintain disicpline and morale. The main focus of the French Navy has been to compensate for their lack of large guns and have begun focusing on the torpedo as an offensive weapon.

Units
5xLight Cruisers
2xLight Ship Units
2xSub Units

French Armee d'Air

The French Airforce continues to flourish, despite treaty limitations on bombers, and has produced several excelletn fighter designs. Currently they are looking into the possibility of jets and rockets.

Nevermind. I get it. The advantage of four-engined transports over twin-engined transports is fewer actual planes. But both "units" will carry one corps.

OOC:

Just wondering. Wouldn't it be better to use cheaper 2 engined transports that carry less? That way, if the enemy shoots down about ten 2 engined transports, you'll be able to land some troops, but whereas if ten 4 engine transports are shot down, you can land *fewer* troops.

Ten 2 engine planes = 200 troops.
Five 4 engine planes = 200 troops.

Five 2 engine planes are shot down, you can field 100 troops (the other 100 died in the 5 planes shot down).
Five 4 engine planes are shot down, all your troops are dead, nothing left to deploy.

In addition to this, 4 engine planes are bigger, therefore easier to hit than smaller 2 engine planes.

Just wondering about strategy, thats all.

OOC:

Just wondering. Wouldn't it be better to use cheaper 2 engined transports that carry less? That way, if the enemy shoots down about ten 2 engined transports, you'll be able to land some troops, but whereas if ten 4 engine transports are shot down, you can land *fewer* troops.

Ten 2 engine planes = 200 troops.
Five 4 engine planes = 200 troops.

Five 2 engine planes are shot down, you can field 100 troops (the other 100 died in the 5 planes shot down).
Five 4 engine planes are shot down, all your troops are dead, nothing left to deploy.

In addition to this, 4 engine planes are bigger, therefore easier to hit than smaller 2 engine planes.

Just wondering about strategy, thats all.

transports are pretty expensive either way, and you don't just use them to haul paratroopers. Remember they can also reorganize disorganized units, and four engined transports have greater range. But the cost is built into the cost of buying the aircraft. Losing a 2 point 2 engined transport isn't as painful as losing a 4 point 4 engined transport.

GB, you have several TGs. I apologize for the stacking of TGs, but I keep getting new info.

Vas, you have one too.

GB, you have several TGs. I apologize for the stacking of TGs, but I keep getting new info. .

(chuckle) I noticed that

British Armoured Fighting Vehicles:

Infantry Support

Largely provided by Valentine mkX tanks, though A22 Churchills are being prototyped for this role

Cruiser Tanks

Largely Cruiser Tank VI Crusaders in this role but A27M Cruiser Tank VIII Cromwells are being rolled out over the next year to fulfill this role.

Tank Destroyer

Self Propelled 17 pdr Archer tanks, with a rear mounted 17pdr anti-tank gun designed for ambush situations. This vehicle is currently in prototype stages and has not yet been released.

Light Tanks

Still usually the Mk VIB light tank in use but the newer Mk VII Tetrarchs are being used to supply armoured divisions.

Self Propelled Artillery

Bishop tanks fulfilling this role currently, but designs are being put forward for a newer artillery vehicle.

Scout Cars

Various designs from Rolls Royce, Daimler and AEC designs in service.

Armoured Personnel Carriers

BREN Gun Carrier (Universal Carrier) and Lloyd Carriers currently in service in mechanised divisions.

The French Republic has been granted the license by the People's Republic of Ukraine to produce the T-34 tank.

The US Army looks at a couple of designs for self propelled tank destroyers equipped with 76 and 90 mm guns. However the entire comcept is open to question at this time.

USEAS military report
Circa 1935

USEAA:

1st Army
1st Infantry corps
2nd Infantry corps
3rd Infantry corps

USEAAF:

1st Fighter wing (Hawker Hurricanes)

important note: On the Asia map I frequently use, stacking is 4 corps plus 1 other unit, and up to 8 air units can stack in a city. Asia hexes are twice as big as European hexes on the map I used for the 2nd Great War.

Also, strategic bombing is available. With enough bombers, an attacking force can inflict damage on production (Factories) that will require repairs in order to restore. It takes a lot of medium or early model heavy bombers, but later on even a couple of counters of heavy bombers can inflict serious damage.

However, bombers can be intercepted. Unless they attack at night, in which case their bombing results are halved, but then so is flak and only night fighters (which exist only at tech level 6) can intercept them.). If intercepted, they can be driven off or shot down before reaching their targets.

A sufficiently long range fighter can also escort them of course.

per request from France, who wanted a late World War II era tank...

see this link, its a complete list of damn near every tank ever built, test or used in combat from 1915 - present

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/

also good is this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_tanks

and this
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/

incidently, tech level 5 nations are limited to aircraft and armored vehicles produced before 1935, nations that have reached tech level 6 are limited to aircraft and vehicles build before 1939, and late tech level 6 nations are limited to vehicles and aircraft built 6 years after the current date (so as we are in 1935, getting ready to be 1936, they are limited to aircraft and tanks built and used around 1941-42).

Technically at this point, the US, UK, the Union and France are at tech level 6.5

So those T34s should still only be now entering service. Current tanks for the Union should be the KV1 (heavy tank), and BT7 (cavalry / scout / medium tank), while the Czechs probably like their T-38 (and would be looking at making it into a Hetzer), and French have their S35 and Char Bs (excellent both), the Americans have the Grant and almost have the Sherman, and Ribenia is accurate in his choices.

Italy is already building an excellent assault gun (Semovente L40) and would be using American tanks (as theirs are awful at this point), the Japanese have a number of adequate light tanks but don't have a medium or heavy tank (and would be using American or British designs), Rumania and Hungary can build tanks (but are behind the leaders in capabilities for them), and the Swedes have their owns designs as well.

IC
the German designer Henschel, dissapointed that the damn Russians got the Union contract with the T-34, moves to France to set up shop in Lille. He has has ideas for a tank superior to the T-34 (the Panther) and a heavy assault tank (the Tiger).

ooc
neither will be ready for production before 1939.

OOC:

What is China capable of fielding, developing, researching, and designing at this point in time, assuming Japan stays to the cease fire, and I do repairs to my economy?

I may want to research long range planes, anti-tank weapons, and better AA defenses. Navy isn't important at this point in time as I want to develop a solid defense, while focusing on domestic affairs like electrification, dams, mechanized farming (harvesters and combines) and so on.

Also disapointed in the Union adoption of the T34 as a main battle tank is Dr. Ferdinand Porsche. He moves his company to Burgundy and sets up shop, hoping his design for the VK3001 Leopard will find an export market as well as a market in Burgundy. Although it still has some troublesome problems (its engines mainly), he is hoping that access to American engine and transmission technology mated with his design will result in a superior tank.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/heu.htm#vk3001p

In the short run, to make money, the Porsche company begins selling a small sedan called the Volkswagon, and a series of sports cars for the growing sport of car racing. The Volkswagon is quickly a success throughout Europe.

ooc
it will, eventually, lead to the Leopard I, but not before tech level 7. It does lead to the Porsche Tiger II eventually though. Which will be called something different here... probably the Lion (in keeping with those cat names).

OOC:

What is China capable of fielding, developing, researching, and designing at this point in time, assuming Japan stays to the cease fire, and I do repairs to my economy?

I may want to research long range planes, anti-tank weapons, and better AA defenses. Navy isn't important at this point in time as I want to develop a solid defense, while focusing on domestic affairs like electrification, dams, mechanized farming (harvesters and combines) and so on.

tech level 5 nations are limited to aircraft and armored vehicles produced before 1935. Probably easier to buy from overseas though. Eventually your industry will be able to produce spare parts and ammunition for foreign purchased weapons systems, and then eventually build them as well as tech level increases.

The French eagerly finance Henschel's research, providing him with funds and a testing facility.

The French also offer the S-35 and R-35 to China at a reasonable price.

The French eagerly finance Henschel's research, providing him with funds and a testing facility.

The French also offer the S-35 and R-35 to China at a reasonable price.

actually, the Chinese need fighters more urgently...I am going to assume they can buy the DW520 unless you object. China cannot afford mechanized and armored units at the moment.

actually, the Chinese need fighters more urgently...I am going to assume they can buy the DW520 unless you object. China cannot afford mechanized and armored units at the moment.

Naturally.

Ooh!

Dunno if VP told you but we're going to use Tiger Tanks, too. A nice little combo if I do say so myself. So Henschel can stay and build Tigers. Panthers, on the other hand, can go blow themselves up.

Parthini']Ooh!

Dunno if VP told you but we're going to use Tiger Tanks, too. A nice little combo if I do say so myself. So Henschel can stay and build Tigers. Panthers, on the other hand, can go blow themselves up.

Noooo....*hisses* He's MINE now...

Aw, give 'im Henschel. We got artillery. And Stukas. And NAPALM.

The Colombian Government will fund Porshe and his work.

The Colombian Government will fund Porshe and his work.
You're always trying to mess with my shit, and you wonder why I don't like you.

STAY. THE HELL. OUT.

Seriously, I'd assassinate any Union scientist or engineer who would work for Colombia. Don't think I wouldn't.

Hell, I should probably skip the middleman and just start assassinating Colombian scientists and engineers . . .

Aw, give 'im Henschel. We got artillery. And Stukas. And NAPALM.

Well...uh...we've got PANZERFAUSTS! Yeah!



Just kidding man, you know I love you.

wtf is your problem. What is the point in playing this god damn game.

Well...uh...we've got PANZERFAUSTS! Yeah!



Just kidding man, you know I love you.

Hey man, I'd give you the T-34, but apparently it's "too advanced" for me to start licensing yet.

wtf is your problem. What is the point in playing this god damn game if all you are going to do is metagame.
I'm not metagaming. I don't mind you OoC. I hate Colombia. Dumbass.

Hey man, I'd give you the T-34, but apparently it's "too advanced" for me to start licensing yet.

No worries. It's sort of my fault, really. I asked GB to help me with some research on some more advanced French tanks...France will probably share the designs with you guys anyway.

I'm not metagaming. I don't mind you OoC. I hate Colombia. Dumbass.

Then don't post ic attacks in the ooc military thread. It's bad form.

The Colombians (bizarrely) attempted to invade Yugoslavia (the territory I'd gone to war over) in the First Great War, declared war on us in the Second Great War despite no strategic interest in doing so, just offered to build warships for a country right on my border (how would Bogota like it if I built a modern navy for, say, Cuba?), and has generally been the American attack-dog the entire game. Of course we hate you.

Why wouldn't we? Because of a little aid you gave us once? That's supposed to undo every single time you act against us? Seriously. Give us a reason not to hate you, and I'll be happy to stop.

Then don't post ic attacks in the ooc military thread. It's bad form.
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What do you call Brazil? Its not Cuba I worry about. Its the points given to Brazil that I worry about.

And the warships? I wasn't even considering the whole "rivarly" thing... The guy needed ships, and no one was offering.

Artitsa check your TG's.

Brazil I call . . . er, let's not talk about Brazil.

The government of the Third Republic of France would like to extend an invitation to the Soviet Union. It is proposed that the Soviet Union send a detachment of troops to France for the pourpose of war-games to exercise our militaries, identify weaknesses in our strategies, and strengthen the bonds of friendship between us.

We await your response.

The government of the Third Republic of France would like to extend an invitation to the Soviet Union. It is proposed that the Soviet Union send a detachment of troops to France for the pourpose of war-games to exercise our militaries, identify weaknesses in our strategies, and strengthen the bonds of friendship between us.

We await your response.
The Union would be overjoyed for the opportunity to reaffirm the spirit of cooperation between our peoples.

Excellent! We look forward to recieving your brave fighting men in France.

State of the Rumanian Military, 1936

Active Military
1st Motorised Corp(1st, 2nd and 12th Motorised Divisions, 3rd tank Brigade, modernising)
1 Fighter Unit, composed of IAR 81Cs
10 Destroyers, currently being reftitted and modernised.
Light cruiser RRNS Elisabeta, currently being refitted and modernised
Light Crusier RRNS Dacia, currently being refitted and modernised
Heavy Cruiser RRNS Regele Carol I, currently beign refitted and modernised

Reserves
2nd Motorised Corp (3rd, 7th and 8th Motorised divsions, 3rd Armored Brigade modernising)
3rd Motorised Corp (4th, 11th and 8th motorised Divisions, 4th Armored Brigade, modernising)

The Rumanian Royal Army
The Rumanian Royal Army is organised into Corps, each containing 3 divisions and an armored brigade. The typical divison has between 10,000 and 13,000 men. This puts a Corp at full stength at somewhere between 30,000 and 39,000 men storng, with between 400 and 600 Armored Fighting Vehicles supporting. Under new organization, only 1 Crop is active at any given time, owing to the close proximity of Rumania's Russian allies. The Army is organised into two armies, the First Army, containing the 1st Corp, and the Second Army containing the 2nd and 3rd Corps The Rumanian Royal Army is currently commanded by General de Corps de Armata (Lieutenant General) Constantin Pantazi, also Defense Minister.

The Rumanian Royal Army Airforce
The Rumanian Royal Army Airforce ss a relatively new institution, but will begin flying homegrown IAR 81Cs in 1936, trading in their older Yugoslavian IK-2 fighters. The Airforce is considered a branch of the Army.

Royal Rumanian Navy
The RRN is a small organization, compared to the other countries nearby, the Soviet Union and the Middle Eastern Union, but is proud of it's small flotilla. It is currently commanded by Admiral Eugenio Botez (note: Could find no historical admirals). The navy is organised into a single flotilla, based out of Constanta

The Rumanian government asks that a divsion from Rumania be allowed to attend the war games in France as well, in order to insure that Rumania stays able to defend herself and her allies.

Colombian Armed Forces (Projected for 1936)

Army

1st Mountain Army
1st Alpine Corp - Cali
2nd Alpine Corp - Bogota
3rd Alpine Corp - Arabelo (Venezuela)

2nd Colombian Army
1st Mechanized Corp - Villavicencio
2nd Colombian Army HQ - Bogota
1st Mechanized Field Artillery - San Cristobal
10th Theatre and Supply Corp - San Cristobal
3rd Colombian National Army
1st Colombian Guard - Bogota
2nd Colombian Guard - Caracas
3rd Colombian Guard - Panama City
4th Colombian Guard - Cayenne
1st Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Caracas
2nd Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Villavicencio

Airforce
1st Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Bogota
2nd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Cali
3rd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Caracas
4th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Ciudad Bolivar
5th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Arabelo
6th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - San Jose del Guaviare
7th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Panama City
8th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Cayenne
9th Colombian Light Bomber Corp (TaDb1) - Bogota

Navy
Manuel Ancizar - Cruiser - Maracabio
Alberto Lleras Camargo - Cruiser - Buenaventura
1st Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Buenaventura, Half at Panama City
2nd Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Barranqilla, half at Maracabio
Merchant Marine
56 Vessels

Parthini']Ooh!

Dunno if VP told you but we're going to use Tiger Tanks, too. A nice little combo if I do say so myself. So Henschel can stay and build Tigers. Panthers, on the other hand, can go blow themselves up.

ooc
as your economic system is not closed, just socialist, and your political system allows emigration as far as I can tell, I figured Henschel and Porsche would go where the money is.. and did.

Besides, you guys will have ISIs, IS II and ISIIIs eventually (natural derivitave of the T34 and KV1), plus eventually the T55 and T72. All good to excellent tanks for their time periods, and eventualy T80s.

France deserved a break, and besides, this way, Tigers and Panthers will hit the world market, as will the Leopard eventually (also good tanks).

The Colombian Government will fund Porshe and his work.

as Dr. Porsche is in Burgundy, an LTA nation, expect his research will eventually make its way to you Colombia, but the Burgundians aren't keen on a foreign power of any sort, even a friendly one, investing money that way.

Besides, he won't have a decent tank until tech level 7 (the Tiger II is a lemon compared to the Pershing, Centurian and JSII)

The Union would be overjoyed for the opportunity to reaffirm the spirit of cooperation between our peoples.

ooc
don't forget you have to go by sea, as Burgundy and Belgium are LTA and aren't going to be excited about Union troops passing through their countries, even in passing.

Well...uh...we've got PANZERFAUSTS! Yeah! .

yep, panzerfaust 1942 models, but the Americans have 2.75 inch bazookas and will pass that technology around to their allies.

Still, B40 rockets, Panzerschrecks, and 3.75 inch bazookas are better, and 75 and 106 mm recoilless rifles are better still... to bad they are about 2 more years away or more.

Colombian Armed Forces (Projected for 1936)

Army

1st Mountain Army
1st Alpine Corp - Cali
2nd Alpine Corp - Bogota
3rd Alpine Corp - Arabelo (Venezuela)

2nd Colombian Army
1st Mechanized Corp - Villavicencio
2nd Colombian Army HQ - Bogota
1st Mechanized Field Artillery - San Cristobal
10th Theatre and Supply Corp - San Cristobal
3rd Colombian National Army
1st Colombian Guard - Bogota
2nd Colombian Guard - Caracas
3rd Colombian Guard - Panama City
4th Colombian Guard - Cayenne
1st Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Caracas
2nd Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Villavicencio

Airforce
1st Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Bogota
2nd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Cali
3rd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Caracas
4th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Ciudad Bolivar
5th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Arabelo
6th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - San Jose del Guaviare
7th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Panama City
8th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Cayenne
9th Colombian Light Bomber Corp (TaDb1) - Bogota

Navy
Manuel Ancizar - Cruiser - Maracabio
Alberto Lleras Camargo - Cruiser - Buenaventura
1st Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Buenaventura, Half at Panama City
2nd Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Barranqilla, half at Maracabio
Merchant Marine
56 Vessels

thats a lot of fighters, sure you don't want at least one of those to be naval air units? They are far more useful for ASW work, your most likely threat.

Aw, give 'im Henschel. We got artillery. And Stukas. And NAPALM.

by the way, the Sturmavik is better, shows up in about 2 years.

the Chinese government is approaching Heinkel and Junkers about buying JU88 medium bombers and HE111 light bombers.... does the Union government allow sale of these aircraft?

Hey man, I'd give you the T-34, but apparently it's "too advanced" for me to start licensing yet.

by the way, the Panther is a better tank, just more complex...especially the later models (after they got the fuel problems worked out)

the T44 is its equal though, almost.

thats a lot of fighters, sure you don't want at least one of those to be naval air units? They are far more useful for ASW work, your most likely threat.

I am currently building two Carriers... I've already built two Naval Fighters and a Naval Bomber Unit... I just didn't post them because I thought they are useless until I get the carriers...


And god help us if the Union mass-produces T-80U's.

yep, panzerfaust 1942 models, but the Americans have 2.75 inch bazookas and will pass that technology around to their allies.

Still, B40 rockets, Panzerschrecks, and 3.75 inch bazookas are better, and 75 and 106 mm recoilless rifles are better still... to bad they are about 2 more years away or more.

Yep. Out of curiosity, what, in game terms, do these do? Or are they just cool to have?

IC: The French begin exporting the Tueur D'Armure (literally "Armor Killer") to their European neighbors, especially the Union, Yugoslavia, and Spain. Britan is conspiciously absent from the list. However, the current development of a tube-launched rocket they keep under wraps.

Yep. Out of curiosity, what, in game terms, do these do? Or are they just cool to have?

IC: THe French begin exporting the Panzerfaust to their European neighbors, especially the Union, Yugoslavia, and Spain. Britan is conspiciously absent from the list.

they are useful to have, and they do have a game effect that won't be clear until someone who doesn't have anti armor capability is hit by tech level 6 mechanized and armored units.

Rumania eagerly buys the Tueur D'Armure, happy to have them.

(OOC: Basically, they'll be using tthem to hel modernise their military over the next year)

by the way, the Sturmavik is better, shows up in about 2 years.

the Chinese government is approaching Heinkel and Junkers about buying JU88 medium bombers and HE111 light bombers.... does the Union government allow sale of these aircraft?
As long as the Chinese are not at war with anybody we have a treaty with, sales will be allowed . . .

As long as the Chinese are not at war with anybody we have a treaty with, sales will be allowed . . .

the Pact has a nonaggression treaty with Japan, and technically, although a cease fire is in effect, the Japanese are still at war with France and China.

Its a little unclear if the Pact and Japan are still technically at war.

In any case, China would buy from German companies if possible, and if not, will buy a number of bombers from Italy instead.

IC: The French begin exporting the Tueur D'Armure (literally "Armor Killer") to their European neighbors, especially the Union, Yugoslavia, and Spain. Britan is conspiciously absent from the list. However, the current development of a tube-launched rocket they keep under wraps.

We Brits will just have to aquire American Bazookas then! Or else rely on the pretty poor homegrown PIAT system (though it wasn't that bad and at least could be used within enclosed space due to being spring launched).

We Brits will just have to aquire American Bazookas then! Or else rely on the pretty poor homegrown PIAT system (though it wasn't that bad and at least could be used within enclosed space due to being spring launched).

US Bazookas are definitely available, and the US is getting ready to consider a new pair of new projects.. television guided bombs / rockets and proximity / variable timed shells

The Stuka G will have to be made! The Sturmovik is okay, but of course can't compare to the Stuka in anti-tank duty, manueverability, or anti ship(except for the model of sturmovik that carried a torpedo). Though the Sturmovik is much more armored, has the guns, rockets, and small bombs to take out light tanks, trucks, transport vehicles, troops etc. There is a reason that the best Close Air Support pilot of the war was in a Stuka and not a Sturmovik. I personally like the Stuka better, so once my nation purchases some one-engined bombers, of course they will be the great Stuka D's and G's.

As for the Panther, i have said all along that it is superior, but of course my compatriots feel differently. I doubt Yugoslavia will be able to support them though, as the Germans had trouble in World War II, so i think my nations next tank will be the T-34 since it is the poor mans panther.

the Pact has a nonaggression treaty with Japan, and technically, although a cease fire is in effect, the Japanese are still at war with France and China.

Its a little unclear if the Pact and Japan are still technically at war.

In any case, China would buy from German companies if possible, and if not, will buy a number of bombers from Italy instead.

Actually, I was under the impression that France had gotten peace with Japan. That's what we were asking for when we withdrew.

Actually, I was under the impression that France had gotten peace with Japan. That's what we were asking for when we withdrew.
The information seems old. The Union (and the Union's Manchurian puppet-state) is definitely at peace with Japan, I think the French negotiated a settlement but the Japanese may not have ratified it yet, and the Chinese are still negotiating.

The information seems old. The Union (and the Union's Manchurian puppet-state) is definitely at peace with Japan, I think the French negotiated a settlement but the Japanese may not have ratified it yet, and the Chinese are still negotiating.

consider the Japanese at peace with France and the Union then... however, no peace treaty has been hammered out between China and Japan

In which case the British Ministry of Defence lets the American Department of Defense know that the British Army is going to approach the Bazooka manufacturers to aquire enough Bazookas to equip the entire peacetime army (including reserves). Britain will maintain her stocks of PIATs though and issue them to the troops especially those who are likely to encounter urban warfare or who are more likely to need to remain hidden when firing the weapon (the absence of a backblast on the PIAT was pretty useful).

1936 US Military

US Navy
Carrier Aviation (maintenance 10 points)
8 tech level 6 fleet carriers: Lexington, Saratoga, Enterprise, Yorktown, Wasp, Hornet, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, (all are 100 aircraft, protection 3, speed 6, range 6) 4 Wildcats, 3 Dauntless, 1 Devastor, 8 pilots
4 tech level 6 (modernized) light carriers:, Theodore Roosevelt, William McKinley,
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln (4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 5, range 5, 4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 6, range 6) 1 Wildcat, 1 Devastator, 2 carrier pilots
5 reserve carrier pilots (at San Diego),

Surface force and other ships (maintenance 28.5 points)
4 tech level 6 Fast battleships: North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama, (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 5, range 6)
3 tech 6(modernized) (16 inch) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 3, range 5)
5 tech 6 (modernized)(14 inch) battleships Tennessee, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania ( firepower 4, protection 6, speed 3, and range 5)

15 tech level 6 Heavy cruisers (all are firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6)
Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem, Vincennes, Wichita, Baltimore

Light cruisers
15 Tech level 6 (modernized) Omaha class (firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6) Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam
5 tech level 6 Brooklyn class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise

Antiaircraft cruisers
2 tech level 6 Atlanta class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6), Atlanta, Juneau

Destroyers
150 tech level 6 destroyer escorts, (15 light ships), 120 tech level 6 destroyers (8 light ships)

Submarines
80 tech level 6 submarines

Transport and shipping
4 amphibious fleets
5 transport units
3 liner units (released back to civilian service)
30 shipping units (15 million tons) commercial fleet,

US Landbased Naval Aviation (maintenance 18 points)
5 PBY, 4 B24 9 pilots

Marine Corps (maintenance 1 point)
1 Amphibious corps

US Army Air Force (includes reserves) (58 maintenance points)
4 heavy bomber unit (B17E), 2 Air transport unit (DC3), 10 fighter units (P40), 10 bomber units (A20), 4 bomber units (B25), 30 pilots (2 in reserve)

Regular Army (14.5 points)
4 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 2 armored corps (2 divisions each), 2 amphibious corps (2 divisions each) 1 mountain corps (2 divisions), 1 airborne infantry corps (2 divisions) 3 motorized field artillery units, 3 coast artillery units, 3 flak units

National Guard and Reserve (32 points)
4 headquarters units, 12 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 6 motorized infantry corps (2 divisions each), 3 field artillery units, 8 coast defense units (Manila, Pearl Harbor, 3 each coast), 8 flak units (Pearl Harbor, Manila, 3 each coast), 4 fortifications (Truk, Manila, Panama, Oahu

also 1 national airline, 1 international airline, plus 2 pilots (remain unmobilized at this time, but subject to mobilization to the Army if needed)

Total Maintenance 162 points

The M1 Garand rifle is the standard rifle for the US, with improved version of the Thompson submachinegun. The P40E is the standard fighter plane, with the new P38C interceptor reaching units this year.

Dutch Military Forces
Tech level 6
11 points as of 1935
Dutch East Indies
1 battleship Rotterdam (attack 5, defense 5, speed 6, range 2), Light cruisers Sumatra, Java (attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 2), 1 tech level 6 light ship unit (10 destroyers), 1 tech level 6 submarine unit, 1 garrison unit (Batavia), 1 fighter unit (Fokker DXVIII), 1 maritime bomber unit (mixed B10/A12/Swordfish), 2 pilots

Home Forces
1 Infantry corps, 1 fighter unit (Fokker DXVIII), 1 pilot, battleship Amsterdam (Rotterdam class), light cruisers De Ruyter, Tromp (attack 1, defense 1, speed 6 , range 6), 1 tech level 6 light ship unit (10 destroyers), 1 tech level 6 submarine unit (10 submarines), plus 3 reserve garrison units, 2 shipping units, 8 points maintenance for military forces, plus 3 points for Social Spending (creates level 3 services)

Algeria tech level 5
1 garrison unit, 1 flak unit, 1 fighter (P40C), 1 pilot, plus 2 reserve garrison units, 1 reserve cavalry corps. Essentially 1 point a year for the military, which works as Algeria has 2 points year. Its other point level 1 social services. (as the Player has not acted in some time)

Morocco
1 tech level 6 mountain corps, 1 fighter unit (P40C), 1 pilot, plus 2 tech level 6 reserve garrison units, 1 reserve tech level 6 flak unit

Norway
1 tech level 6 light ship (10 destroyers), 1 tech level 6 submarine unit (10 submarines), plus 1 reserve garrison unit (Oslo), plus 3 shipping units


Siam
1 reserve garrison unit

Burgundy
3 reserve infantry corps, 1 fortification (Metz), (no information from player, assume Burgundy just modernizes its forces, pays maintenance, and acquires a fighter unit from the Netherlands and trains a pilot between 1933 and 1935) Burgundian forces are tech level 6.

Italian Military Forces
tech level 6
30 points normal spending, has increased to 33 points by 1935
1 HQ, 1 mechanized corps, 1 alpine corps, 1 field artillery unit, 3 infantry corps, 5 reserve infantry corps, 3 garrison units, 1 3-engined bomber unit (considered twin engine for maintenance purposes), 1 fighter unit, 2 pilots, 4 tech level 6 battleships (Vittorio Veneto, Littorio, Conte Di Cavour, Giulio Caseare, 4/3/5/3), 2 tech level 6 carriers (Italia, Roma, 1/1/5/3), 2 tech level 6 heavy cruisers (Zara, Pola), 7 tech level 7 light cruisers (Basilicata, Campania, Quarto, Nino Bixio, Marsala, Pisa, Arnalfi 1/1/6/3), 30 tech level 6 destroyers (3 light ship units), 30 tech level 6 submarines (3 submarine units), 8 shipping units, 1 national airline, 1 international airline,

maintenance 16 points
social spending for 40 million at level 2 is 10 points, leaving 7 points available annually as a reserve.

As Italy is now a NPC country, I am going to assume the Liberals take office and decide to provide stability in the form of social services. Planned defense cuts are abandoned due to increased world tensions.


Uruguay military forces
Tech level 4
2 points normal spending.
1 Garrison unit, 1 militia unit (reserve)
Uruguay becomes somewhat socialist, but still remains in Pan America Treaty to ensure protection from their somewhat heavily armed neighbors.

Peru
Tech level 4
2 points normal spending
1 garrison unit, 1 militia unit (reserve),
An NPC country, Peru had swung to the Left and spend 1 point a turn on Social services (level 2) but is about to have a coup (which no one has knowledge of at this point) as the Right would rather have a tax cut.

Paraguay military forces
Tech level 4
2 points normal spending, national effort to 4 points
Paraguay had 1 garrison and 1 militia unit, it spends 2 points to upgrade both to tech level 6 infantry units (buying on the world market) and another 2 points to acquire a theater supply unit.

An NPC country that has suddenly swung far to the Right and is looking with interest as liberating the Native American peoples of Bolivia, Peru and Chile. (Paraguay has the largest proportion of Native Americans in South America). Along the way this would also give Paraguay access to the Pacific and make it a power on the scale of Colombia and Argentina (which is obviously unrealistic). However, Paraguay has oil reserves that have are now producing.

Argentina Military Forces (includes Zionists)
Tech level 6
11 points normal spending National Effort was declared in 1935 for 22 points
1 mechanized corps, 2 reserve infantry corps, 1 reserve garrison unit, 2 fighter units (A6M), 1 bomber unit (Mosquito), 3 pilots, 2 tech level 6 Soryu class carriers, 1 carrier fighter, 1 carrier torpedo bomber, 2 carrier pilots, 2 tech level 6 County type light cruisers, 10 tech level 6 destroyers (modernized), 3 pilots, 3 fighter units. Maintenance 7 points. Social services for 10 million at level 2: 2 points

In addition, Argentina is now a PC country effective 1936. Argentina has already upgraded all of its forces to tech level 6 through purchases abroad and can produce spares of its military equipment with its own industry.

The MEU Arm forces
As of 1936

The MEU- A Single Army Division can be at 10,000 troops at its lowest and 20,000 troop at max.
Army Core as of 1926, the standing army
300,000 troops (100 percent fully trained)
Number of Army corps: 60 Army Division at the moment.
300,000 Reservist Division (only call to duty in times of war, well trained)" They are on duty."

Total number of Troops in the standing peacetime army, 600,000 troops(including supply soldiers)

Note: Each Army Core is assign 9 battalions of infantry, 4 battalions of artillery, plus a machine gun and armored car battalion


MEU forces

Egypt - 1 MEU Mech corps (Alexandria,), 1 fighter unit(Alexandria)
Persia -2 MEU Mech corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur) 3 MEU Armour Cavalry ”reserved” from the Soviet Union( Base in Tehran) Fighter units(base in Tehran)
Iraq – 1 MEU Mech corps (Basra), 1 MEU garrison unit (Baghdad),1 MEU armored corps" reserve"(Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Riyadh),1 MEU infantry corps (Riyadh), 1 MEU Mech corp, (Jiddah )
Syria – 1 MEU Mech corps (Damascus), 1 MEU Cavalry corps "reserve"( (Damascus), 1 fighter unit(Damascus) 2 Field artillery units "reserve"((Damascus), Headquarters units( Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 MEU Mech corps, 1 MEU Amphibious unit"reserve" ,1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 MEU garrison (Gallipolli), 1 MEU Alpine corps (Ezrurum) "reserve", Flak artillery(Istanbul),Coast artillery(Gallipolli), Theater supply units



MEU Air Core
Made of mostly German Made planes
4 Fighter Unit
4 Air Force pilots
One pilot for domestic airlines
one domestic airlines

The Navy as of early 1936

Battleships

1 CAIO DUILIO CLASS Battleship(build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Conti di Cavour Battlecruiser( build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Battleships(build by the Germans,competed by 1934)

4 Battlecruisers(build by the Germans, competed by 1934)

Carrier
2 "Taiho class"Fleet carriers( build by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, competed by 1935)
2 Fleet Carriers(being buildby the Soviet Union, one will be compete by 1937 and the other by 1938)
3 light carriers(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)
1 training carrier(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)

Cruisers
6 Cruisers(Build by Germany competed by 1933)

Light Cruisers

Destroyers

20 Destroyers(Build by the Italians in 1922)

10 Destroyers( build by the Germans competed by 1933)

20 Destroyers (build in 1934,1935 by MEU shipyards)

Submarines

Cargo shipping units
six shipping units

Total cost of maintain 26 points (note I am not sure if I did this right, if someone could looked this over and help, I’ll be very thankful.)

What are the rules for moving military units overseas?

Canadian military forces
Tech level 6
21 points normal spending, 23 points by 1935
Level 5 social services for 10 million people – 5 points,
Military forces: 2 mechanized infantry corps (reserve), 2 infantry corps (reserve), 1 HQ, 1 fighter unit (Hurricane), 1 pilot, 1 tech level 6 light cruiser, 10 tech level 6 destroyers (East Coast), 1 2-engined naval air unit, 1 pilot, 1 x 4-engined naval air unit (B24), 1 pilot

Argentina Military Forces (includes Zionists)
Tech level 6
11 points normal spending National Effort was declared in 1935 for 22 points
1 mechanized corps, 2 reserve infantry corps, 1 reserve garrison unit, 2 fighter units (A6M), 1 bomber unit (Mosquito), 3 pilots, 2 tech level 6 Soryu class carriers, 1 carrier fighter, 1 carrier torpedo bomber, 2 carrier pilots, 2 tech level 6 County type light cruisers, 10 tech level 6 destroyers (modernized), 3 pilots, 3 fighter units. Maintenance 7 points. Social services for 10 million at level 2: 2 points

In addition, Argentina is now a PC country effective 1936. Argentina has already upgraded all of its forces to tech level 6 through purchases abroad and can produce spares of its military equipment with its own industry.

Is this accurate? Why is maintenance 7 points? Argentina has 2 A6M fighters, 1 Mosquito bomber, 3 fighters, one carrier torpedo bomber, and one carrier fighter. Shouldn't that alone (without any ships or men) count as more than 7 points?

Is this accurate? Why is maintenance 7 points? Argentina has 2 A6M fighters, 1 Mosquito bomber, 3 fighters, one carrier torpedo bomber, and one carrier fighter. Shouldn't that alone (without any ships or men) count as more than 7 points?

that is how much was paid last year, this year a new figure will need to be used.
On the plus side, you have a shiny spiffy newly equipped military to play with.

or to cut back on

USEAS military report
Circa 1935

USEAA:

1st Army
1st Infantry corps
2nd Infantry corps
3rd Infantry corps

USEAAF:

1st Fighter wing (Hawker Hurricanes)

Merchant Navy

2,000,000 tons of shipping

that is how much was paid last year, this year a new figure will need to be used.
On the plus side, you have a shiny spiffy newly equipped military to play with.

or to cut back on

Considering that that military costs 13 points, yes, some cutbacks might be in order. Maybe the three old fighters and their pilots, to cut down to the level where Argentina can actually sustain her military without National Effort.

Considering that that military costs 13 points, yes, some cutbacks might be in order. Maybe the three old fighters and their pilots, to cut down to the level where Argentina can actually sustain her military without National Effort.

I would suggest the 2 carriers and their airgroups (3 points total in maintenance), as you don't really need a carrier fleet unless you are planning to attack someone

I bet someone would be willing to buy 2 good carriers

Or you could join the LTA and the US will help you pay your maintenance

I would suggest the 2 carriers and their airgroups (3 points total in maintenance), as you don't really need a carrier fleet unless you are planning to attack someone

I bet someone would be willing to buy 2 good carriers

OOC: How much you want? I'm in the market for good ships.

I would suggest the 2 carriers and their airgroups (3 points total in maintenance), as you don't really need a carrier fleet unless you are planning to attack someone

I bet someone would be willing to buy 2 good carriers

Or you could join the LTA and the US will help you pay your maintenance

Romania is interested in purchasing a carrier, as well as the fighter carrier group.

Korean Armed Forces:

C-in-C: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

Total Forces Mobilized: 300,000 Able-bodied men (Half reserve)

Army:

75,000 Active Personnel, divided into Regiments of 5,000 men each. They are divided into Militia and Regulars. Regular infantry and cav regiments will usually have some level of mechanization and the most recent Korean weapons. One regiment (the 12th) has some tanks, though not many. Militia are usually equipped with leftover locally made Scwarzlose Machineguns and old Mannlichers, and still rely on horses to move things.

1st, 2nd- Regular Infantry Regiments-5,000 each.

3rd, 4th- Regular Cavalry Regiments-5,000 men and horses.

5th, 6th- Militia Cavalry Regiments-5,000 men and horses.

7th, 8th, 9th, 10th- Supply Regiments, mixed regulars and militia, 5,000 men each.

11th Air Unit- 5,000 men, trained as pilots to varying degrees, but mainly ground based right now (treated as dismounted cav). About 100 Curtiss Jennys are in their service.

12th, 13th, 14th, 15th- Guard Regiments- 5,000 men each. Composed of a mix of militia and regulars for pure homeland defense, can be called to aid their comrades in battle. Man coastal defenses, etc.

Navy:

OOC: If this ain't kosher, let me know.

IC:

75,000 active Personnel. A mix of hired contractors, sailors, and Marine Infantry working with the Guard Regiments to defend the coasts.

About 4-5 ships (mainly cruisers) exist in the Korean Navy, remnants of Austria's Navy-these older vessels are being disbanded.

The rest of Korea's Ships, if any, are modified civil vessels used like Coast Guard Cutters, armed with light guns and machine guns. About 25,000 are sailors.

Korean Armed Forces:

C-in-C: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

Total Forces Mobilized: 300,000 Able-bodied men (Half reserve)

Army:

75,000 Active Personnel, divided into Regiments of 5,000 men each. They are divided into Militia and Regulars. Regular infantry and cav regiments will usually have some level of mechanization and the most recent Korean weapons. One regiment (the 12th) has some tanks, though not many. Militia are usually equipped with leftover locally made Scwarzlose Machineguns and old Mannlichers, and still rely on horses to move things.

1st, 2nd- Regular Infantry Regiments-5,000 each.

3rd, 4th- Regular Cavalry Regiments-5,000 men and horses.

5th, 6th- Militia Cavalry Regiments-5,000 men and horses.

7th, 8th, 9th, 10th- Supply Regiments, mixed regulars and militia, 5,000 men each.

11th Air Unit- 5,000 men, trained as pilots to varying degrees, but mainly ground based right now (treated as dismounted cav). About 100 Curtiss Jennys are in their service.

12th, 13th, 14th, 15th- Guard Regiments- 5,000 men each. Composed of a mix of militia and regulars for pure homeland defense, can be called to aid their comrades in battle. Man coastal defenses, etc.

Navy:

OOC: If this ain't kosher, let me know.

IC:

75,000 active Personnel. A mix of hired contractors, sailors, and Marine Infantry working with the Guard Regiments to defend the coasts.

About 4-5 ships (mainly cruisers) exist in the Korean Navy, remnants of Austria's Navy-these older vessels are being disbanded.

The rest of Korea's Ships, if any, are modified civil vessels used like Coast Guard Cutters, armed with light guns and machine guns. About 25,000 are sailors.


The US will replace the ancient Jennys (dating back to a decade prior to the 2nd Great War) with more modern training aircraft (Steermans and Texans), and is willing to help the Korean Air Force develop a fighter force next year.
(numbers that small are too small to count for maintenance purposes at this point). Does mean that Korea actually has a pilot unit though. Korea has garrison unit as an army at this point (tech level 5). Korea has a tech level 4 light ship unit (essentially free for maintenance purposes, although its combat value is nil).

The US will replace the ancient Jennys (dating back to a decade prior to the 2nd Great War) with more modern training aircraft (Steermans and Texans), and is willing to help the Korean Air Force develop a fighter force next year.
(numbers that small are too small to count for maintenance purposes at this point). Does mean that Korea actually has a fighter unit though. Korea has garrison unit as an army at this point (tech level 5). Korea has a tech level 4 light ship unit (essentially free for maintenance purposes, although its combat value is nil).

Thanks. The Korean people appreciate your contributions.

-Syngman Rhee

Colombia would be willing to buy one of the carriers.

Following Galveston's advice, I am going to sell both carriers. I believe that they count as Fleet Carriers, so I would be willing to sell them and their aircraft at the cost of 7 build points. (They have a build cost of 10, I believe.) Delivery in December 1935.

Any takers?

Following Galveston's advice, I am going to sell both carriers. I believe that they count as Fleet Carriers, so I would be willing to sell them and their aircraft at the cost of 7 build points. (They have a build cost of 10, I believe.) Delivery in December 1935.

Any takers?


Brazil will gladly purchase one carrier.

Following Galveston's advice, I am going to sell both carriers. I believe that they count as Fleet Carriers, so I would be willing to sell them and their aircraft at the cost of 7 build points. (They have a build cost of 10, I believe.) Delivery in December 1935.

Any takers?
The Union will purchase the other on behalf of Manchuria (unless the Colombians already got it . . .).

Warsaw will also inquire of Bucharest as to what possible strategic need a Romanian fleet carrier might serve, given that Romania possesses only two ports, which both open on highly contained waters surounded by friendly powers. Bucharest's answer may affect the delivery of aid for 1936.

Finally, Warsaw will approach Seoul with an offer to build the entire Korean Navy at half cost [OoC: i.e., you pay for half, and I'll cover the rest] in exchange for a Non-Aggression Pact to be signed with both the Union and Manchuria.

Secret IC
The US Army Air Force opens up a design competition for a bomber with a 450 mph top speed, a 275 mph cruising speed, a service ceiling of 45,000 feet, and a maximum range of 12,000 miles at 25,000 feet.

Northrop, Boeing and Consolidated Aviation all begin design studies that will eventually lead (in a couple of years) to the Flying Wing, B29 and B36.


ooc
a bomber with this range will have a range of nearly 70 hexes on the Asia map, and would be able to fly from North Dakota to anywhere in the Union and back without refueling.

or from North America to China, Japan or anywhere in Europe
SIC
The Union Defense Ministry scoffs at the initial intelligence reports indicating the attempt to develop such a long-range bomber being built, until aviation experts undertake a study on their own time to demonstrate the feasability of such a machine.

Alarmed, the Defense Ministry then sets its own design teams in competition on the Top Secret Amerikabomberprojekt, which hopefully will result in the ability to produce such planes for the Union Red Airforce.

The Union will purchase the other on behalf of Manchuria (unless the Colombians already got it . . .).

Warsaw will also inquire of Bucharest as to what possible strategic need a Romanian fleet carrier might serve, given that Romania possesses only two ports, which both open on highly contained waters surounded by friendly powers. Bucharest's answer may affect the delivery of aid for 1936.

Finally, Warsaw will approach Seoul with an offer to build the entire Korean Navy at half cost [OoC: i.e., you pay for half, and I'll cover the rest] in exchange for a Non-Aggression Pact to be signed with both the Union and Manchuria.


Bucharest responds that they are only seking to purchase a carrier of any type, in order to improve their nation's defense. They original plan was to build Rumania's own escort carrier, but if an oppurtunity arises to purchase a better one, than RUmanian government will take it. Bucharest reminds Warsaw that Rumania is not a protectarate, colony or province of the Soviet Union, but merely an ally. What the Rumanian goverment chooses to spend it's money on is of no concern to Warsaw. Would the Rumanian government question why the Union sought to purchase a carrier? The note ends cordially, saying that relations shall remain friendly, espite any minor difficulties the two nations may encounter.

To Rumania:
The Hungarian Ambassador to Rumania quietly informs Rumania’s government that it is concerned over the large military build-up taking place in that nation. He also reminds them that it could spark an arms race in the Balkan’s.

ooc: please check the Rumanian news thread btw.

To the Union:
The Hungarian government is in the process of building up its air force in response to increased military build-up taking place in Rumania. It inquires if they may acquire production rights to the same top-of-the-line fighter aircraft that the Union air force is currently using.

To Rumania:
The Hungarian Ambassador to Rumania quietly informs Rumania’s government that it is concerned over the large military build-up taking place in that nation. He also reminds them that it could spark an arms race in the Balkan’s.

ooc: please check the Rumanian news thread btw.



Rumania reassures the ambasador that the Rumanian government has no interest in the military conquestof any ofit's neighbors. This "build-up" as it is called, is merely an effort ot be on par with other modern nations. Rumania has no desire to be caught with it's guard down should certain parties wish to attack them.

OOC: Uh, what's on my news thread? Rumanian Affairs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9898014#post9898014)

To the Union:
The Hungarian government is in the process of building up its air force in response to increased military build-up taking place in Rumania. It inquires if they may acquire production rights to the same top-of-the-line fighter aircraft that the Union air force is currently using.
Warsaw assents.

The Navy and Marine Corps look at the new F4U Corsair as the replacement for the Wildcat, as well as the F6F Hellcat. Meanwhile the Army chooses the P47 Thunderbolt as its new fighter, along with improved versions of the P38 and also looks at the Corsair as a potential escort fighter.

(alas, the P51 may not show up in this timeline as the events that called for its creation are not in play).

One of the carriers is sold to the Union. If Korea or Rumania is still interested, then they can have the other one. (Whoever posts first.)

(Mysteriously, the Columbian and Brazilian requests were tied up in paperwork after some naval officers voiced concerns about Brazilian socialism and the recent Columbian arms buildup.)

One of the carriers is sold to the Union. If Korea or Rumania is still interested, then they can have the other one. (Whoever posts first.)

(Mysteriously, the Columbian and Brazilian requests were tied up in paperwork after some naval officers voiced concerns about Brazilian socialism and the recent Columbian arms buildup.)


After further review of the subject, the Rumanian government has decided, unfortuantely, that a fleet carrier is unnessecary, and too expensive for the Rumanian navy.

One of the carriers is sold to the Union. If Korea or Rumania is still interested, then they can have the other one. (Whoever posts first.)

(Mysteriously, the Columbian and Brazilian requests were tied up in paperwork after some naval officers voiced concerns about Brazilian socialism and the recent Columbian arms buildup.)
Excellent. Remember to work the spare points into your budget for '36.

The Navy and Marine Corps look at the new F4U Corsair as the replacement for the Wildcat, as well as the F6F Hellcat. Meanwhile the Army chooses the P47 Thunderbolt as its new fighter, along with improved versions of the P38 and also looks at the Corsair as a potential escort fighter.

(alas, the P51 may not show up in this timeline as the events that called for its creation are not in play).


Corsair>Mustang

in every category but range. The P-47's should be more than Adequate for Escort Fighters if used properly.

Corsair>Mustang

in every category but range. The P-47's should be more than Adequate for Escort Fighters if used properly.

P47N was a match for both, but that is a while off yet. The Corsair is an amazing aircraft that will be good as a tech level 7 ground support aircraft as well.

As stated on the economy thread I have been paying too much for my navy maintainence since the policy was introduced (basically I set aside .5 points per cruiser/sub unit/battleship unit). To combat this I have essentially rewritten my military to include more of the reserves that stepped down just after the maintenence system was introduced and my military now stands at the following:

The Army

1 HQ unit
2 9 point mechanized corps
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps
2 motorised field artillery units
1 amphibious unit
2 garrison units (Alexandria, Singapore)

TOTAL: 7.5 points

The Royal Navy
4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant,
1 modernised HMS Hood (which becomes 4 attack, 5 defense, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defense, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
3 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes, HMS Eagle, HMS Vindictive,
4 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous, HMS Glorious, HMS Furious, HMS Argus
8 Tech 6 submarine units (80 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
20 Tech 6 Light ship (200 destroyers ) attack 1, defence 1, speed 7, range 4
10 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres, HMS Carlisle,
24 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft, HMS Newcastle, HMS Southampton, HMS Kilmarnock, HMS Leicester, HMS Cambridge, HMS Oxford, HMS Carlisle, HMS Hull, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Canterbury,

TOTAL: 24 points

Fleet Air Arm

3 carrier fighter units
4 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 2 dive bomber)
9 naval aviation pilots

TOTAL: 4 points

The Royal Airforce

5 bombers (Handley Page Halifaxes, 4 engined)
5 UK fighters (Supermarine Spitfires)
12 pilot units

TOTAL: 23 points

The Army Reserves
Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list.

1 Field Artillery
4 8 point mechanised corps
1 HQ unit
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

TOTAL: 6 points

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Other Defences

4 Flak artillery (Coventry, Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

TOTAL 3.5 points

Under Construction:
4 Tech 6 Battleships attack 5, protection 8, speed 6, range 7 (16" guns) 2 in 1938 1 in 1939 1 in 1940
1 Tech 6 Super battleship attack 6, protection 8, speed 5, range 5, (18" guns), ready 1941

GRAND TOTAL: 68 points

This shouldn't have any effect on the game (as I have essentially accounted for excess spent points and haven't created any units out of thin air, they simply came from units that I was forced to disband after the maintenece system came into being). I would be grateful if someone could check this post to ensure that I have actually counted right and my points add up.

Sorry for the inconveinience, my own stupidity was to blame.

In order to familiarize the reserve units with their new equipment (they’re being upgraded from infantry to motorized), Hungary will be commencing military exercises near the town of Gjula near the Hungarian-Rumanian border. The reserve units that are activated will be rotated through as each unit receives its new equipment.

(Mysteriously, the Columbian and Brazilian requests were tied up in paperwork after some naval officers voiced concerns about Brazilian socialism and the recent Columbian arms buildup.)

Since neither Rumania wants the carrier, the Brazilian request suddenly clears up. Gintonpar, if you want it, it's yours.

The Union will cover the cost through "misdirected" funds for humanitarian assistance.

14 points to Argentina, and a fleet carrier to both Brazil and Manchuria . . .

The Union will cover the cost through "misdirected" funds for humanitarian assistance.

14 points to Argentina, and a fleet carrier to both Brazil and Manchuria . . .

what on earth is Manchuria going to do with a fleet carrier without trained pilots or destroyers to escort it?

what on earth is Manchuria going to do with a fleet carrier without trained pilots or destroyers to escort it?


supplement The Union Pacific Fleet.



Using Union Pilots.

Whistling innocently . . .

Whistling innocently . . .

well, it will give the Japanese Navy something to sink I suppose

You're a mean-spirited old man.

Come to think of it, though, it probably should be mothballed until the pilots are trained and the escorts built.

Finally, Warsaw will approach Seoul with an offer to build the entire Korean Navy at half cost [OoC: i.e., you pay for half, and I'll cover the rest] in exchange for a Non-Aggression Pact to be signed with both the Union and Manchuria.

To: Union Gov't
From: Syngman Rhee, Our Majesty Emperor Gang

While our opinions differ, we do feel that Korea could benefit from this offer. And, it would provide some measure of security, given the rise in Asian tensions (OOC: Read: Japan's surging militarism).

We'll take it.

To: Union Gov't
From: Syngman Rhee, Our Majesty Emperor Gang

While our opinions differ, we do feel that Korea could benefit from this offer. And, it would provide some measure of security, given the rise in Asian tensions (OOC: Read: Japan's surging militarism).

We'll take it.
OoC: Give me your shopping list.

1 Tech 6 Light Ship Units (composed of Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts, respectively), 1 Tech 6 Light Cruiser, 2 Tech 6 Submarine Units

Just wondering, how does the MEU arm forces stand compare to other nations arm forces atm. Is it a semi ok force or petty good?

Just wondering, how does the MEU arm forces stand compare to other nations arm forces atm. Is it a semi ok force or petty good?

semi ok.. as no combat experience since the 1st Great War except for occasionally dealing with bandits. Professional, but with out dated tactics and no significant institutional experience. Equpment is out of date as well.

Canadian military forces
Tech level 6
23 points normal spending

Level 5 social services for 10 million people – 5 points,
Military forces: 2 mechanized infantry corps (reserve), 2 infantry corps (reserve), 1 HQ, 1 fighter unit (Hurricane II), 1 pilot, 1 tech level 6 light cruiser, 10 tech level 6 destroyers (East Coast), 1 2-engined naval air unit, 1 pilot (west coast), 1 pilot, 1 x 4-engined naval air unit (B24) (east coast)
maitenance 11 points
Saint Lawrence Seaway 7 points (partial payment)

corrections and Canada is a NPC at this point

Just wondering, how does the MEU arm forces stand compare to other nations arm forces atm. Is it a semi ok force or petty good?

France contacts the MEU governemnt with an offer of trade agreements and asks about a possible defense pact between the two. It also offers to provide military advisors, at a reasonable price, to help bring the MEU army up-to-date with the latest tactics and doctrines.

France contacts the MEU governemnt with an offer of trade agreements and asks about a possible defense pact between the two. It also offers to provide military advisors, at a reasonable price, to help bring the MEU army up-to-date with the latest tactics and doctrines.
The MEU government accept the French government offer and we agree to enter defense pacts with the French Government.

1 Tech 6 Light Ship Units (composed of Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts, respectively), 1 Tech 6 Light Cruiser, 2 Tech 6 Submarine Units
So our contributions will be 11 points each (unless you meant 2 light ships, which would make it 15).

The MEU government accept the French government offer and we agree to enter defense pacts with the French Government.

French military advisors board trains for Istanbul and Mr. Yvon Delbos is dispatched to hammer out the terms of the pact.

French military advisors board trains for Istanbul and Mr. Yvon Delbos is dispatched to hammer out the terms of the pact.
OOC:France, we can do the meeting and etc in my news thead. So that we don't take up space in this thead.

Colombia is extremely offended that Argentina would sell both Carriers to the Union, which subsequently ended up in the hands of the Brazillians. If such disrespect is going to be shown by those once considered friends by the Colombians, there would be no need to keep the embassy in Buenos Aires staffed.

See, this is why you have so few friends.

Haha...

Well, hes not playing nice :(

Haha...

Well, hes not playing nice :(
I think you were just too slow on the draw. There are advantages (?) to having nothing to do all day on a Sunday except work out the demographics and appropriations of imaginary countries.

In fact, now that I've had a chance to go over the American builds and see that the damn swine-pigs are actually doing research, I'm not so sure Manchuria needs that aircraft carrier after all.

Colombia can have it.

The French are beginning to implement the new MAS-36 semi-automatic rifle, chambered for the 7.62mm Mauser round. It is expected to replace all of the older bolt-action rifles by the end of 1937.

the MAS-36 can be loaded by either two five-round stripper clips or a ten-round box magazine.

[OOC: This is the historical MAS-40. It was set to be put into production in 1940, but it was halted after the German invasion and subsequent occupation. It was later picked up again and redesignated the MAS-44 and then the MAS-49 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAS_49).]

Revised British deployment (for 1936):

The Army

1 HQ unit (in London)
2 9 point mechanized corps (1 in Singapore, 1 in Burma)
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps (1 in UK, 1 in Nigeria)
2 motorised field artillery units (1 in the UK, 1 in the Sudan)
1 amphibious unit (1 in Portsmouth)
2 garrison units (Alexandria, Singapore)

The Royal Navy

Home Fleet
4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defense, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant, (TO BE REPLACED BY 4 NEW 16” VESSELS IN 1938, all currently under construction)
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes,
1 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Argus
2 Tech 6 submarine units (20 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
4 Tech 6 Light ship (40 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
3 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres,
6 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Abergaveny,

Atlantic Fleet
1 modernised HMS Hood (which becomes 4 attack, 5 defense, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
1 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous,
1 Tech 6 submarine units (10 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
4 Tech 6 Light ship (40 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
2 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian,
5 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chicester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft,

Mediteranean Fleet
2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defense, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Vindictive,
2 Tech 6 submarine units (20 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
4 Tech 6 Light ship (40 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
2 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham,
5 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Worcester.

Pacific Fleet
5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Eagle,
2 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Furious, HMS Glorious,
3 Tech 6 submarine units (30 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
8 Tech 6 Light ship (80 destroyers ) attack 1, defense 1, speed 7, range 4
3 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defense 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh,
8 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defense 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkinhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Hull, HMS Edinburgh,

Fleet Air Arm

3 carrier fighter units
4 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 2 dive bomber)
7 naval aviation pilots

The Royal Airforce
5 bombers (Handley Page Halifax, 4 engine) (2 in Southern England, 2 in Midlands, 1 in Egypt)
5 UK fighters (Supermarine Spitfires) (1 in Southern England, 1 in Midlands, 1 in Singapore, 1 in Egypt, 1 in Gibralter)
10 pilot units (with aircraft)

RAF Reserves

Ona similar basis to the TA with 30 days training a year, most will hold down piloting jobs or else be keen amateur pilots. Bases given are for call up depots.

2 pilot units (London (x2), Birmingham, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Belfast)
2 naval aviation pilots (Portsmouth, Plymouth)

The Army Reserves

Mostly territorial army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list. Bases given are for depots that they form at when called up.

1 Field Artillery (The Honourable artillery Company at London)
3 8 point mechanised corps (Birmingham, London, Edinburgh)
1 HQ unit (London)
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Fixed Defences

4 Flak artillery (Coventry, Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

Under Construction

4 Tech 6 Battleships attack 5, protection 8, speed 6, range 7 (16" guns) 2 in 1938 1 in 1939 1 in 1940 (first two being built at HMNB Devonport, Plymouth, Second two at HMNB Portsmouth)
1 Tech 6 Super battleship attack 6, protection 8, speed 5, range 5, (18" guns), ready 1941 (being built at Clydebank dockyards)

Britain continues the rolling replacement of the Spitfires, Spitfire mk Is and mk IIs have now all been replaced. With the newer MkIII and IVs filling their roles. This scheme is set to continue with mk V, VI and VII set to be introduced next year.

I quote from wikipedia for the improvements (which are only minor)

The Mk. III was an airframe improvement, strengthening the design overall, adding additional covers and fillets over various openings, and allowing the tail wheel to retract. Combined with the improved Merlin XX engine, it was expected that the Mk. III would gain considerable airspeed and be able to fly at just over 400 knots (740 km/h).

The Mk. IV was much more radical. Although it was based on a similar airframe to the Mk. III, it also included the new Rolls-Royce Griffon engine with over 1,500 hp (1,100 kW) available. This extra power not only boosted the speed to over 420 knots (780 km/h), but allowed for a much heavier six-cannon armament. The Mk. IV appeared so promising that Mk. III was abandoned in its favour. Plans were made to have the new design reaching squadron service in October, becoming the standard RAF fighter by the start of 1942, but it was not to be. It turned out that the Mk. XII would be the first Griffon powered Spitfire to enter service.

As the Rolls-Royce Griffon began to replace the famous Merlin and speeds went up, it was discovered just how advanced the design of the Spitfire's wings were: with a safe Mach number of 0.83 and a maximum Mach number of 0.86, the Spitfire's wing was able to reach higher speeds without Mach-induced flutter than many much newer designs.

There are mutterings in Buenos Aires about the Union withdrawing from an agreed-upon purchase. Warsaw is quietly told that the Argentine government will be more wary in future dealings.

However, the Union's pullout makes one aircraft carrier up for sale. The Colombians get it, with a great fuss about lost documents and filing disputes that have now been resolved. Officials at the Colombian embassy are told that no offence was meant.

There are mutterings in Buenos Aires about the Union withdrawing from an agreed-upon purchase. Warsaw is quietly told that the Argentine government will be more wary in future dealings.

However, the Union's pullout makes one aircraft carrier up for sale. The Colombians get it, with a great fuss about lost documents and filing disputes that have now been resolved. Officials at the Colombian embassy are told that no offence was meant.

ooc
chuckle

IC
The US quietly asks the Colombians if they can give the Argentine carrier a good inspection for intelligence reasons

USEAS military report
Circa 1936

USEAA:

1st Army
1st Infantry corps
2nd Motorized corps
3rd Infantry corps

Marines:
1st Marine corps

USEAAF:

1st Fighter wing (Hawker Hurricanes)

Merchant Navy

2,000,000 tons of shipping

Just to clear up, we have a carrier now right?

If so, Brazil begins training up the pilots for use on the carrier and subsequently queries whether any in the international community would care to supply Brazil with planes.

Just to clear up, we have a carrier now right?

If so, Brazil begins training up the pilots for use on the carrier and subsequently queries whether any in the international community would care to supply Brazil with planes.

Planes were included.

Planes were included.


*spins chair in celebration*

What kind of planes are in the deal?

It depends. There was one unit of torpedo bombers and one unit of fighters. You get the choice, since the Union bought first.

I'll plump for the torpedo bombers I think.

So our contributions will be 11 points each (unless you meant 2 light ships, which would make it 15).

OOC: Nope, just one force of Tech 6 Light Ships, so it would cost 11 points. Lemme do the math on the Spending Page, this will take a bit to reengineer the builds.

Colombia will upgrade the carrier to compare with the two being built currently. It will be outfitted with new torpedo bombers. It is highly appreciated that the Argentinian Government fixed the error. Colombia does apologize for its over-reaction.

How long does it take to activate reserve forces in the event of a war?

How long does it take to activate reserve forces in the event of a war?

as a turn is 2 months (1 real life day), the same turn they are activated. However, they aren't as good as regular troops. To get them to that standard usually requires 6 months of training (3 turns) and specific instructions to the War Moderator (me) indicating that you are doing so.

as a turn is 2 months (1 real life day), the same turn they are activated. However, they aren't as good as regular troops. To get them to that standard usually requires 6 months of training (3 turns) and specific instructions to the War Moderator (me) indicating that you are doing so.

So just out of curiosity, what's the advantage of reserves? They cost the same as normal troops, and they aren't as good.

So just out of curiosity, what's the advantage of reserves? They cost the same as normal troops, and they aren't as good.

No maintenance?

So just out of curiosity, what's the advantage of reserves? They cost the same as normal troops, and they aren't as good.

They don't count against the mximum number of military units you can have during peace time.

No maintenance?

yes maintenance (for the equipment, weapons and vehicles, not pay which isn't counted against anyone because its to complicated to deal with and would make my head hurt).

it doesn't count against maximum number of military units during peacetime (see page 1 of economics thread)

it doesn't count against maximum number of military units during peacetime (see page 1 of economics thread)

Ooh that makes sense. So what happens if you exceed to maximum allowable? I notice that my Colombian friends to the north seem to have quite a few ground units and a relatively small population.

Quiet you.

Quiet you.

If it helps, Brazil and Argentina both exceed the limit, as does Paraguay. And those are just off the top of my head.

If it helps, Brazil and Argentina both exceed the limit, as does Paraguay. And those are just off the top of my head.

Expect economic ramifications.. remember the limit is 1 ground unit or 3 air or naval units per million population in peacetime. triple the figure for wartime.

Next week I am sending the wife and kids to Grandmothers house. I will be doing some serious auditing because I will have two blessed days of peace and quiet at my house and I am taking vacation to thoroughly enjoy them.

Corrections will be made if need be but I would really prefer players handled that themselves now.

Corrections will be made if need be but I would really prefer players handled that themselves now.

In the interests of letting players handle it, let me get this totally clear. The limit for active forces is one ground unit or three air or navel units per million people. Reserves do not count against this. So as Argentina, I can have 33 air units or 33 navel units or 11 ground units, plus as many reserves as I would like. Is that right?

In the interests of letting players handle it, let me get this totally clear. The limit for active forces is one ground unit or three air or navel units per million people. Reserves do not count against this. So as Argentina, I can have 33 air units or 33 navel units or 11 ground units, plus as many reserves as I would like. Is that right?
In theory yes and no, why would do so....it will cost a lot to maintain and etc...trust as the MEU I have a huge arm forces...which is costing buck..and without the USSR aid...I'll would be death..so yeah follow my advise don't build an arm forces without having enough support within your nation to do so.

In theory yes and no, why would do so....it will cost a lot to maintain and etc...trust as the MEU I have a huge arm forces...which is costing buck..and without the USSR aid...I'll would be death..so yeah follow my advise don't build an arm forces without having enough support within your nation to do so.

remember, it can be a combination of ground, air and naval units, so its whatever force structure you build.

Which is why the US has a huge reserve of ground forces, some reserve air forces and a huge navy as a full time force.

remember, it can be a combination of ground, air and naval units, so its whatever force structure you build.

Which is why the US has a huge reserve of ground forces, some reserve air forces and a huge navy as a full time force.

Right. In that case, would you edit the first post so that there's no confusion? The military limits there are very different from the ones now in place.

Right. In that case, would you edit the first post so that there's no confusion? The military limits there are very different from the ones now in place.

its on my 'to do' list..

Colombian Armed Forces (Projected for 1936)

Army

1st Mountain Army
1st Alpine Corp - Cali 1mil
2nd Alpine Corp - Bogota 2mil
3rd Alpine Corp - Arabelo (Venezuela) 3mil

2nd Colombian Army
1st Mechanized Corp - Villavicencio 4mil
2nd Colombian Army HQ - Bogota 5mil
1st Mechanized Field Artillery - San Cristobal 6mil
10th Theatre and Supply Corp - San Cristobal 7mil
3rd Colombian National Army (Reserves)
1st Colombian Guard - Bogota
2nd Colombian Guard - Caracas
3rd Colombian Guard - Panama City
4th Colombian Guard - Cayenne
1st Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Caracas
2nd Air-Defence Artillery Corp - Villavicencio

Airforce
1st Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Bogota
2nd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Cali
3rd Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Caracas 8 mil
4th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Ciudad Bolivar
5th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC3) - Arabelo
6th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - San Jose del Guaviare 9 mil
7th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Panama City
8th Colombian Fighter Corp (TaC2) - Cayenne
9th Colombian Light Bomber Corp (TaDb1) - Bogota 10 mil

Navy
Manuel Ancizar - Cruiser - Maracabio
Alberto Lleras Camargo - Cruiser - Buenaventura
1st Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Buenaventura, Half at Panama City 11 mil
2nd Desron - 20 Destroyers - Half at Barranqilla, half at Maracabio
Merchant Marine
56 Vessels

There. I have put the National Guard on Reserve, and have shown how it fits under 13 million... my two new carriers will push it to the brink however.

*stares at massive military.* Wow. You could take out the rest of South America, assuming no foreign intervention occurs.

Note to self-Don't mess with Colombia.

*stares at massive military.* Wow. You could take out the rest of South America, assuming no foreign intervention occurs.

Note to self-Don't mess with Colombia.

well, Uruguay, Ecuador and Chile are in the LTA, so they are pretty safe.

well, Uruguay, Ecuador and Chile are in the LTA, so they are pretty safe.

*Is still staring at massive military*

So, about this LTA thing... ;)

incidently, the German Heinkel company flies its first jet, as do the Italians (Caproni). Neither are more than prototypes, and their reliability is poor. But the first jets are flying.

The British and Americans have their own jet now as well. With the same weaknesses.

(first Jet flight was in 1939 historically, so the time has come for the flight test phase anyway. Nothing operational before 1940 though in this timeline)

incidently, the German Heinkel company flies its first jet.
In your FACE, England!

In your FACE, England!

Pact FTW!

In your FACE, England!

thats ok, the British built better (as in more reliable) jet engines

OOC: Pfft! Who cares about this silly, early jet thing. All that matters is who gets to space first, and I can promise you that will be us. Or we will build nukes...

Parthini']OOC: Pfft! Who cares about this silly, early jet thing. All that matters is who gets to space first, and I can promise you that will be us. Or we will build nukes...

I am looking forward to Project Dynasoar myself, and the X-15 and its logical followups (instead of really expensive one shot rockets)

Secret IC: From a facility off of the French Atlantic Coast, the French begin testing short-range missiles. So far the results are not spectacular, but they are making progress.

[These are basically like ones Katyushas are using now, only slightly bigger, with a longer range and a larger payload. Don't expect anything to come of it for awhile.]

The French quietly contact the Sovietss and begin making inquires about the possible combination of research along the lines of both jet and atmoic research.

Meanwhile, other French researchers, after looking over the American bazooka, have begun their own research into a tube-fire anti-tank rocket. In the meantime, they have developed a longer range version of the single shot weapan with a better penetration.

Henschel has drawn up plans for a heavy tank with a large, 88mm gun in the turret. Prototypes are under construction. There is also work on a better medium tank that has the potential to outclass the T-34.

The Union, Dutch and Americans are experimenting with snorkel equipped submarines. Hydrogen peroxide drive is also being experimented with by the Germans.

Neither technology will be usuable before 1940. However, beginning then those units will be available.

snorket submarine unit (5 submarines) 10 points, 3 turns to construct, maintenance .5 points a year (advantage, harder to detect)

hydrogen peroxide drive submarines (1 submarine), 6 points, 1 year to construct, .5 points a year. (much harder to detect)

On the other hand, the LTA (specifically the British and Americans) have developed Hedgehog rockets to allow attacks on submarines while approaching one, and 2 engined and 4 engined LTA (next year add Union and French) Landbased naval air units are now equipped with airborne radar and search lights to allow detection and attack of submarines at night.

Jet fighters become available in 1940 as well.. the ME262 for the Union, the Gloster Meteor for the British, and the P80 for the Americans.

Other jets will show up after that including light jet bombers and carrier based jet fighters.

Jet fighters cost 4 points, require 3 turns to build.
Jet Light bombers costs 4 points, require 3 turns to build
Carrier jet fighters cost 2 points, require 3 turns to build

With what appears to be a deteriorating situation in Transylvania, the Hungarian military begins a massive training program scheduled for the next three to four months. This will include both active-duty mechanized corps and all three reserve motorized corps.

I have a question.

Once China reaches Tech level 6, can China design and build its own jets, tanks, guns, etc. or will it have to rip-off the designs from the Pact or LTA?

Special Units.....

The British, Union, Swedes, Italians and Japanese can now build naval special operations units. These units can attack enemy ships in port (usually only a few). Cost is 1 point, take 6 months to build (mostly training) and only ONE special naval unit per country is allowed (as these missions are usually suicidal or pretty close to it). Once used, the naval special operations unit is eliminated and will have to be replaced.

Beginning 1940, the Union first, and then a year later the US, British, and Swedes will be able to build missile units. Essentially we are talking about the V1 and V2. Range is poor (3 hexes on the European map), and these units are only good for strategic bombardment (and not very good at that either). They are cheap, 1 point, and only take 3 months to build, but 12 points must be spent on development of each weapon (12 points for V1, 12 points for V2). Each unit represents 500 rockets or buzz bombs, and is a one shot unit (has to be replaced once used).

Missiles capable of carrying special weapons (nukes and chemical weapons) are NOT available until tech level 7.

Reliable missiles aren't cheap to develop, just cheap to build (relatively speaking).

I have a question.

Once China reaches Tech level 6, can China design and build its own jets, tanks, guns, etc. or will it have to rip-off the designs from the Pact or LTA?

yes, use Swedish designs for Chinese developed projects (as they are available, can be researched, and few are familiar with them). Or you can license build other nations aircraft, tanks etc... if those nations allow it. You can also reverse engineer (which means you can build a Panther tank or Lockheed P80 jet fighter for example a year after it becomes available to the French or Americans once you hit tech level 6).

Reverse engineering is only available for tech levels 5 - 7. Tech level 8 technology is much more complex to reverse engineer and will require different rules when the time comes.

Missiles capable of carrying special weapons (nukes and chemical weapons) are NOT available until tech level 7.

What about Napalm...

Parthini']What about Napalm...

Don't tell me that after getting all mad about chemical weapons, you're going to use napalm bombardment.

Don't tell me that after getting all mad about chemical weapons, you're going to use napalm bombardment.

Well... I didn't get mad. Plus, you know, Napalm is different than Chemical Weapons. I mean... its... not as... unseen...

When will France be able to build missiles?

Parthini']What about Napalm...

extremely ineffective as a missile warhead.... too much kinetic energy in a missile.

the US War Department authorizes the Douglas aircraft company to make the A20 Havoc available for export sales to LTA and Pan American treaty nations, as well as Vietnam and Korea. In addition, the US Army has roughly 2500 of them available, of which 500 (2 2-engine bomber units worth) are available for transfer to any friendly nations who want them. A similar number of P40 Warhawks and P40E Kittyhawks are available as well. The remainder are transferred to training units or scrapped.

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/a20.htm

ooc
an excellent light bomber, not as fast as a Mosquito and lacking the same range, but good bombload for its day. The US Army is working on the A26 at the moment.

the US War Department authorizes the Douglas aircraft company to make the A20 Havoc available for export sales to LTA and Pan American treaty nations, as well as Vietnam and Korea. In addition, the US Army has roughly 2500 of them available, of which 500 (2 2-engine bomber units worth) are available for transfer to any friendly nations who want them. A similar number of P40 Warhawks and P40E Kittyhawks are available as well. The remainder are transferred to training units or scrapped.

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/a20.htm

ooc
an excellent light bomber, not as fast as a Mosquito and lacking the same range, but good bombload for its day. The US Army is working on the A26 at the moment.

I wonder if the new Chinese government is considered "friendly" by the USA.

If so, is it possible for me to upgrade my bombers to the A20 version as it apparently is a 2 engined bomber, well within the treaty specifications between China - Japan.

To the war mods,

I have question about my fleet in terms of training and etc, I have been sending my naval officers to train under the IJN for about eight and have renewed my treaty with them and atm I am sending more officers over to get train by the IJN. I was wondering what's the rating of my fleet, yeah I know its Tech 5 for the now, and won't be Tech 6 intill 1938, when I start refiting my fleet and etc.

Turkey has a well trained navy, how well trained will be determined the first time it actually sees action.

China is allowed to purchase A20 bombers from the US, but will not be given the 2 bomber units being made available to LTA and Pan American countries (you basically just pay to upgrade the A12s to A20s, which will cost you 3 points for each unit as you are trading single engined tech 5 planes for twin engined tech level 6 planes). US P40 and P39 fighters are also available for purchase (which costs 2 points to trade in the ancient P26s for modern P40s and P39s)

Don't tell me that after getting all mad about chemical weapons, you're going to use napalm bombardment.



Come on Napalm is pretty much just Gasoline, Laundry Detergent, Styrofoam and bits of Alumninum. I should now, i've made a bit in my day <looks away whistling>

the US War Department authorizes the Douglas aircraft company to make the A20 Havoc available for export sales to LTA and Pan American treaty nations, as well as Vietnam and Korea. In addition, the US Army has roughly 2500 of them available, of which 500 (2 2-engine bomber units worth) are available for transfer to any friendly nations who want them. A similar number of P40 Warhawks and P40E Kittyhawks are available as well. The remainder are transferred to training units or scrapped.

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/a20.htm

ooc
an excellent light bomber, not as fast as a Mosquito and lacking the same range, but good bombload for its day. The US Army is working on the A26 at the moment.

Korea is always looking for good technology to modernize its air force, considering our position. We will consider purchases of the A20 for the Korean Air Force, and will enter these into the 1937 budget. We are also interested in licensing the P40 Warhawk, should British offers not come through.

OOC: Korea can probably only afford 2 units of these, so 6 points for next year. A reminder for myself, of course.

Korea is always looking for good technology to modernize its air force, considering our position. We will consider purchases of the A20 for the Korean Air Force, and will enter these into the 1937 budget. We are also interested in licensing the P40 Warhawk, should British offers not come through.

OOC: Korea can probably only afford 2 units of these, so 6 points for next year. A reminder for myself, of course.

ooc
I would take the Mosquito over the A20, its the best light bomber in the world until the A26 shows up

ooc
I would take the Mosquito over the A20, its the best light bomber in the world until the A26 shows up

OOC: True. The Brits are offering me Mosquitoes, I'm working a deal for those.

I believe that China isn't on good terms with Britain, even with the new democratic government. So it looks like the best that China can get is the A20 bomber, not that I'm complaining. :)

The MEU Arm forces
As of 1937

The MEU- A Single Army Division can be at 10,000 troops at its lowest and 20,000 troop at max.
Army Core as of 1926, the standing army
300,000 troops (100 percent fully trained)
Number of Army corps: 60 Army Division at the moment.
300,000 Reservist Division (only call to duty in times of war, well trained)" They are on duty."

Total number of Troops in the standing peacetime army, 600,000 troops(including supply soldiers)

Note: Each Army Core is assign 9 battalions of infantry, 4 battalions of artillery, plus a machine gun and armored car battalion


MEU forces
Persia -2 MEU Mech corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur) 3 MEU Armour Cavalry ”reserved” from the Soviet Union( Base in Tehran) Fighter units(base in Tehran)

Iraq – 1 MEU Mech corps (Basra), 1 MEU garrison unit (Baghdad),1 MEU armored corps" reserve"(Baghdad)

Arabia – 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Riyadh),1 MEU infantry corps (Riyadh), 1 MEU Mech corp, (Jiddah )

Syria – 1 MEU Mech corps (Damascus), 1 MEU Cavalry corps "reserve"( (Damascus), 1 fighter unit(Damascus) 2 Field artillery units "reserve"((Damascus), Headquarters units( Damascus), 1 MEU Mech corps (Jerusalem), 1 fighter unit(Jerusalem)

Home Forces – 1 MEU Mech corps, 1 MEU Amphibious unit"reserve" ,1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 MEU garrison (Gallipolli), 1 MEU Alpine corps (Ezrurum) "reserve", Flak artillery(Istanbul),Coast artillery(Gallipolli), Theater supply units



MEU Air Core
Made of mostly German Made planes
4 Fighter Unit
3 naval fighters (station on the three fleet carriers)
4 Air Force pilots
Two Naval Pilots
One pilot for domestic airlines
one domestic airlines

The Navy as of early 1936

Battleships

1 CAIO DUILIO CLASS Battleship(build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Conti di Cavour Battlecruiser( build by the Italians in 1922)"reserve"

2 Battleships(build by the Germans,competed by 1934)

4 Battlecruisers(build by the Germans, competed by 1934)

Carrier
2 "Taiho class"Fleet carriers( build by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, competed by 1935)
2 Fleet Carriers(being build by the Soviet Union, one compete by 1937 and the other by 1938)
3 light carriers(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)
1 training carrier(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)

Cruisers
6 Cruisers(Build by Germany competed by 1933)

Light Cruisers
4- Tech 5 light cruisers

Destroyers

20 Destroyers(Build by the Italians in 1922)

10 Destroyers( build by the Germans competed by 1933)

20 Destroyers (build in 1934,1935 by MEU shipyards)

Submarines

Cargo shipping units
Ten shipping units

Total cost of maintain 26.5 points (note I am not sure if I did this right, if someone could looked this over and help, I’ll be very thankful.)

First flight in the US of the B29 Super Fortress and B35 Flying Wing, both are still a year away from deployment. Also experiments alongside the British with super large bombs (12,000 pounds and larger).

British have the Lancaster now if they choose to build it by the way.

Military of the Federated States of India, 1937

Army:
x1 Motorized Corp (Peshawar)
x1 Motorized Corp (Naini Tal)
x1 Motorized Corp (Poona)
x1 Motorized Corp (Bombay)
x1 Mechanized Infantry Corp (Calcutta)
x1 HQ Corp (Delhi)

Airforce:
x1 Fighter (Hawker Hurricane)
x1 Pilot

Navy:
x1 Arethusa class light cruiser (FSS Aap)

Merchant Navy:
1,000,000 tons of shipping

British have the Lancaster now if they choose to build it by the way.

Great, will do. Once i've finished building some Mosquitos, and paid off India's social expenses and Vietnam's military budget and those new Aircraft Carriers I wanted and Egypt needs paying off and....

Korean Armed Forces:

C-in-C: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

Infantry:

1 Tech 5 Garrison Unit

Korean Air Force:

1-3(?) Pilot Units
2(?) Tech 5 Twin Engined Transports
Several trainer aircraft (Steermans and Texans) (?)

Korean Navy-

1 Tech 4 Light Ship Unit (in process of disbanding, waiting until more modern ships come to get rid of it)

In progress-

Korean Air Force-

2 Flak Artillery
2 Pilots
2 DeHaviland Mosquito Fighter-Bombers (1 direct buy, the other license built in Korea)

Korean Navy

1 Tech 6 Light Ship Units (composed of Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts, respectively), 1 Tech 6 Light Cruiser, 2 Tech 6 Submarine Units (from Soviets)

I have a question about my reserve units, since I am calling them up for active duty, how long would it take them to be ready for combat and etc?

USEAS military report
Circa 1936

USEAA:

1st Army
1st Infantry corps
2nd Motorized corps
3rd Infantry corps

3x Garrisons (Hanoi, Vientiane, Phnom Penh)

Marines:
1st Marine corps

USEAAF:

1st Fighter wing (Hawker Hurricanes)

USEAN:

[B]1st Fleet
1x Light ship unit (Haiphong)

Merchant Navy:

3,000,000 tons of shipping

I have a question about my reserve units, since I am calling them up for active duty, how long would it take them to be ready for combat and etc?

Within a week they are available for deployment. However, the political reliability of some of the reserve units may be questionable.

Within a week they are available for deployment. However, the political reliability of some of the reserve units may be questionable.
Just in case it ever comes up, by the way, the United Red Army mixes ethnicities as thoroughly as possible (although ethnicity otherwise does not officially exist in the Army), and requires all soldiers, from the newest conscript to the oldest marshal, to speak German while on active duty unless they are translators.

Just in case it ever comes up.

Terrorism now exists as a military and political tactic. Its aim is not to convert, but to create fear and insecurity which will cause the government to overreact and lose the support of the people, or fail to react and lose the support of the people.

As we all know, its damned hard to stop completely.

In game terms, you can reduce it by buying lots of police units (basically buying militia), political measures, and wiping out the leadership. This is not a quick process.

Somehow I don't think I like where that's going . . .

Somehow I don't think I like where that's going . . .

I don't blame you, but it is an intergral part of the 20th Century.

Question:

So, could we deal with it by having some secret government agency work to assassinate the leadership?

No, pretty much nothing works.

They keep coming until they run out of crazies. The best thing to do is just ignore them and maintain the moral high ground, and eventually they get too embarassed to keep being crazy.

Let me rephrase the question:

Wouldn't it be more exciting and fun to create a secret government organization to assassinate the leadership?

That or genocide...

No, pretty much nothing works.

They keep coming until they run out of crazies. The best thing to do is just ignore them and maintain the moral high ground, and eventually they get too embarassed to keep being crazy.

Its a long process, but political change and a general disgust of the population with terrorism, along with police methods, does work to an extent. It reduces terrorism from being continual to the sporadic.

Somehow I don't think I like where that's going . . .

Well, it would mean that Kim Il-Sung goes into action, and tries to change things to his way.....good thing I sent him to Manchuria, the Soviets and the Manchurians probably won't stand for his sort of agitation if he tries to hurt Korea.

I hope.

Well, it would mean that Kim Il-Sung goes into action, and tries to change things to his way.....good thing I sent him to Manchuria, the Soviets and the Manchurians probably won't stand for his sort of agitation if he tries to hurt Korea.

I hope.
Hmm. Kim would probably offer his services to Mao, at this point, since Chen (Trotsky's pawn) isn't quite radical enough.

British deployment (for 1937):

The Army

1 HQ unit (London)
2 9 point mechanized corps (1 in Singapore, 1 in Burma)
2 8 point armoured cavalry corps (1 in UK, 1 in Sudan)
2 motorised field artillery units (1 in UK, 1 in British West Africa)
1 amphibious unit (Portsmouth)
2 garrison units (Port Said (Egypt), Singapore)

The Royal Navy

Grand Fleet

NB: At this stage the Atlantic Fleet and Home Fleet were merged into one, as Britain didn't require so many ships in the Atlantic any more

Majority stationed at Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands, but HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Hermes, 1 sub unit, 20 destroyers and 5 light cruisers will operate from Portsmouth. Also HMS Nelson plus 3 light cruisers and 10 destroyers on duty in Atlantic, based out of Lagos in Nigeria.

2 Modernised Nelson class battleships (which become 5 attack, 6 defence, 3 speed and 5 range), HMS Nelson, HMS Rodney
4 modernised Queen Elizabeth class battleships (which become 4 attack, 5 defence, 4 speed and range 5), HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warspite, HMS Barham, HMS Valiant, (TO BE REPLACED BY 4 NEW 16” VESSELS IN 1938, all currently under construction)
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Hermes,
1 Tech 6 Light carriers protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Argus
3 Tech 6 submarine units (30 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
6 Tech 6 Light ship (60 destroyers ) attack 1, defence 1, speed 7, range 4
5 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defence 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Centaur, HMS Caledon, HMS Ceres, HMS Caroline, HMS Cambrian,
11 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defence 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Derby, HMS Yarmouth, HMS Dartmouth, HMS Chester, HMS Dublin, HMS Abergaveny, HMS Gloucester, HMS Chichester, HMS Liverpool, HMS Belfast, HMS Lowestoft,

Mediteranean Fleet

3 Battleships, 1 fleet carrier, 10 subs, 20 destroyers and 3 light cruisers operate from Gibraltar. 2 light cruisers, 10 subs and 20 destroyers operate from Port Said in Egypt and the remainder from Valetta in Malta.

5 King George V class battleships (4 attack, protection 5, speed 6 and range 5). HMS King George V, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Duke of York, HMS Anson, HMS Howe
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Vindictive,
1 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Courageous,
2 Tech 6 submarine units (20 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
6 Tech 6 Light ship (60 destroyers ) attack 1, defence 1, speed 7, range 4
2 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defence 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Frobisher, HMS Effingham,
5 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defence 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth, HMS Nottingham, HMS Worcester.

Pacific Fleet

Hood, Eagle, 20 subs, 40 destroyers, Hawkins, Vindictive, Raleigh and 4 light cruisers to operate from Singapore. HMS Edinburgh, HMS Hull, 20 destroyers and 10 subs from Nauru, Kiribati, the Phoenix Islands and Kiritmati. Remainder to operate from Fiji.

1 modernised HMS Hood (4 attack, 5 defence, 7 speed and range 6), HMS Hood
1 Tech 6 Fleet carrier protection 2, speed 6, range 6, (80 – 100 aircraft), HMS Eagle,
2 Tech 6 Light carrier protection 1, speed 6, range 6, (40 -55 aircraft), HMS Furious, HMS Glorious,
3 Tech 6 submarine units (30 submarines), attack 1, protection 0, speed 3, range 5,
8 Tech 6 Light ship (80 destroyers) attacks 1, defence 1, speed 7, range 4
3 Tech 6 heavy cruiser attack 1, defence 2, speed 7, range 6, HMS Hawkins, HMS Vindictive, HMS Raleigh,
8 Tech 6 light cruiser attack 1, defence 1, speed 7 range 6, HMS Bristol, HMS Chatham, HMS Weymouth, HMS Birkenhead, HMS Birmingham, HMS Manchester, HMS Hull, HMS Edinburgh,

Fleet Air Arm

3 carrier fighter units
4 carrier bomber units (2 torpedo, 2 dive bomber)
7 naval aviation pilots

The Royal Airforce
5 bombers (Handley Page Halifax, 4 engine) (2 in Southern England, 2 in Midlands, 1 in Egypt)
5 UK fighters (Supermarine Spitfires) (1 in Southern England, 1 in Midlands, 1 in Singapore, 1 in Egypt, 1 in Gibraltar)
3 DH Mosquito Fighter-Bombers (1 in Southern England, 1 in Malta, 1 in Midlands)
13 pilot units (with aircraft)

RAF Reserves

On a similar basis to the TA with 30 days training a year, most will hold down piloting jobs or else are keen amateur pilots. Bases given are for call up depots.

3 pilot units (London, Birmingham, Edinburgh)
2 naval aviation pilots (Portsmouth, Plymouth)

The Army Reserves

Mostly Territorial Army units (30 days training per year), old yeomanry cavalry units which are now mechanised and ex-servicemen who are still on the reserves list. Bases given are for depots that they form at when called up.

1 Field Artillery (The Honourable artillery Company at London)
3 8 point mechanised corps (Birmingham, London, Edinburgh)
1 HQ unit (London)
2 Garrisons (London, Dover)

The Merchant Navy

35 merchant shipping units
10 Tech 6 Ocean Liners (represents 20 Queen Mary sized ocean liners). Protection 2, range 5, speed 6,

Merchant Airforce

3 pilots
1 domestic airline
1 international airline

Fixed Defences

4 Flak artillery (Coventry, Dover, Scapa Flow, London)
2 Coast artillery (Dover, Scapa Flow)
2 Fortifications (Dover, Scapa Flow)

Under Construction

4 Tech 6 Battleships attack 5, protection 8, speed 6, range 7 (16" guns) 2 in 1938 1 in 1939 1 in 1940 first two being built at HMNB Devonport, Plymouth, Second two at HMNB Portsmouth. (Similar to Temeraire/Lion Class), to be known as HMS Lion, Temeraire, Conqueror and Thunder.
1 Tech 6 Super battleship attack 6, protection 8, speed 5, range 5, (18" guns), ready 1941 being built at Clydebank dockyards, Scotland. (No relevant class) To be known as HMS Vanguard

Some notes on guerilla warfare...

No guerilla movement won a military victory against an occupying power during the 20th Century. However, some lasted long enough to wear down the occupying power and win at the peace table (Algeria) or enough for the occupying power to withdraw and leave its client state / ally in a lurch (Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia).

Most guerilla movements provided valuable service to conventional military forces that eventually won victory (Soviet Union in 1940s, China 1930s -40s, Filipino 1942-45), or were defeated and driven out (Indonesia versus British Borneo 1960s).

South Vietnam fell to a conventional invasion force consisting of mechanized and armored forces in 1975, not to a bunch of pajama clad guerillas, and the Tet Offensive in 1968 permanently shattered and effectively destroyed the Viet Cong.

Most unsuccessful guerilla movements in the latter half of the 20th Century either ended up becoming terrorist groups (IRA), or faded away into irrelevence if their foreign support went away (Red Brigades, Bader -Meinhoff), or in a few cases were coopted into the political discussion (PLO)

It takes roughly 10 soldiers per guerilla to defeat a guerilla uprising completely (Malaya 1950s, El Salvador and others in the 1980s, Philippine Insurrection and Vietnam). These soldiers can just as easily be police and militia.

(by the way, it doesn't appear the the US paid a lot of attention to this before entering Iraq, but thats another thread)

Terrorist groups can last for years on practically no support or minimal support (the Twin Tours attack cost less than $1 Million to carry out.. the economic costs is still being added up but is in the tens of billions). Frequently they raise money by carrying out criminal activity if need be (kidnapping, bankrobbery etc)

However, no terrorist group has won a military victory in the 20th or 21st Century (so far), but some do expand to become guerilla movements and some guerilla movements manage to get foreign support, including armies that win their victory for them or get big enough to create their own armies (Mao and the Chinese are unique in this respect).

Mostly though, guerilla and terrorist movements just create a lot of chaos, kill a lot of people, and make misery.

What about Cuba? We'rent they guerillas?

Parthini']What about Cuba? We'rent they guerillas?

Eisenhower told Batista to get out, and he did. A serious error. Oh well.

So I take it that guerilla warfare can be the equivilent of strategic air bombing (at a diffirent approach maybe?) like when the Nazis bombed London to attempt to force Britain to surrender and the Allied bombing of Hamburg (see: Battle of Hamburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gomorrah)) both following the doctrine of "Terror Bombing".

The actions of the French resistance which helped Operation Overlord (The landing at Normandy) by destroying bridges and communication lines.\ can be considered as guerilla warfare, I think.

So I take it that guerilla warfare can be the equivilent of strategic air bombing (at a diffirent approach maybe?) like when the Nazis bombed London to attempt to force Britain to surrender and the Allied bombing of Hamburg (see: Battle of Hamburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gomorrah)) both following the doctrine of "Terror Bombing".

The actions of the French resistance which helped Operation Overlord (The landing at Normandy) by destroying bridges and communication lines.\ can be considered as guerilla warfare, I think.

Strategic bombing in some cases (the Oil Campaign) was extremely effective, in other cases (Dresden) was not. As far as actual damage to the enemy economy. Guerilla warfare can also do actual damage as in reducing the resources extracted and force the deployment of lots of troops that are more useful elsewhere.

As part of a conventional campaign it has a lot of use. It is just that stand alone guerilla wars don't work.

The ultimate strategic bombing campaign, that mercifully never occured, would be using nuclear weapons which would thoroughly wreck the economy of the target country (and perhaps kill everybody too).

Military of the Federated States of India, 1938

Army:
x1 Motorized Corp (Peshawar)
x1 Motorized Corp (Naini Tal)
x1 Motorized Corp (Poona)
x1 Motorized Corp (Bombay)
x1 Motorized Corp (Bangalore)
x1 Motorized Corp (Bhopal)
x1 Motorized Corp (Karachi)
x1 Motorized Corp (Dhaka)
x1 Mechanized Infantry Corp (Calcutta)
x1 HQ Corp (Delhi)

Airforce:
x1 Fighter (Hawker Hurricane)
x1 Pilot

Navy:
x1 Arethusa class light cruiser (FSS Aap)

Merchant Navy:
1,000,000 tons of shipping

The US Navy begins deploying proximity fused ammunition for its 5 inch duel purpose guns. The US Army also acquires this ammunition for its 90 mm and 120 mm anti aircraft guns, and for its field artillery. The British do the same.

ooc
In game effect, American and British anti aircraft and artillery fire are now significantly stronger. The Union gets this next year. Everyone else tech level 6 will get it in about 5 years.

Incidently, the Union now can build V1 buzz bombs, should they want to. Cost is 1 point and takes 2 months, for about 400 weapons suitable for strategic area attacks only. They lack the accuracy for much else.

The MEU Arm forces
As of 1938

The MEU- A Single Army Division can be at 10,000 troops at its lowest and 20,000 troop at max.
Army Core as of 1926, the standing army
300,000 troops (100 percent fully trained)
Number of Army corps: 60 Army Division at the moment.
300,000 Reservist Division (only call to duty in times of war, well trained)" They are on duty."

Total number of Troops in the standing peacetime army, 600,000 troops(including supply soldiers)

Note: Each Army Core is assign 9 battalions of infantry, 4 battalions of artillery, plus a machine gun and armored car battalion


MEU forces
Persia -3 MEU Mech corps (Tehran, Isfahan,Bandar Shapur) 3 MEU Armour Cavalry from the Soviet Union( Base in Tehran) Fighter units(base in Tehran) dive bombers (JU-87)(Tehran) 3 Alpine corps(Tabriz) 4 militia corps(Tehran, Isfahan, Bandar Shapur, Mashhad )

Iraq – 2 MEU Mech corps (Basra), 1 MEU garrison unit (Baghdad),1 MEU armored corps" reserve"(Baghdad) 2 militia corps( Basra)

Arabia – 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Riyadh),1 MEU infantry corps (Riyadh), 1 MEU Mech corp, (Jiddah ) 1 MEU cavalry corps(Riyadh), 1 MEU Mech Corp(Riyadh) 2 militia corps(Mecca, Medina )

Syria – 1 MEU Mech corps (Damascus), 1 MEU Cavalry corps (Damascus), 1 fighter unit(Damascus) 2 Field artillery units (Damascus), Headquarters units( Damascus), 1 MEU Mech corps (Jerusalem), 1 fighter unit(Jerusalem)

Home Forces – 1 MEU Mech corps, 1 MEU Amphibious unit ,1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 MEU garrison (Gallipolli), 1 MEU Alpine corps (Ezrurum) , Flak artillery(Istanbul),Coast artillery(Gallipolli), Theater supply units



MEU Air Core
Made of mostly German Made planes
4 Fighter Unit
1 Dive Bomber unit
3 naval fighters (station on the three fleet carriers)
5 Air Force pilots
3 Naval Pilots
One pilot for domestic airlines
one domestic airlines

The Navy as of early 1936

Battleships

1 CAIO DUILIO CLASS Battleship(build by the Italians in 1922)

2 Conti di Cavour Battlecruiser( build by the Italians in 1922)

2 Battleships(build by the Germans,competed by 1934)

4 Battlecruisers(build by the Germans, competed by 1934)

Carrier
2 "Taiho class"Fleet carriers( build by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, competed by 1935)
2 Fleet Carriers(being build by the Soviet Union, one compete by 1937 and the other by 1938)
3 light carriers(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)
1 training carrier(builded by Japan per agreement of the Alliance, by 1931)

Cruisers
6 Cruisers(Build by Germany competed by 1933)

Light Cruisers
4- Tech 5 light cruisers

Destroyers

20 Destroyers(Build by the Italians in 1922)

10 Destroyers( build by the Germans competed by 1933)

20 Destroyers (build in 1934,1935 by MEU shipyards)

Submarines

Cargo shipping units
Ten shipping units

Total cost of maintain 28.5 points (note I am not sure if I did this right, if someone could looked this over and help, I’ll be very thankful.)

In France, the new Panther medium tank and Tiger heavy tank go into production. They are expected to replace the older tanks within the next couple of years. THe French also release their own version of the bazooka, called the Lanceur de Fusée Mk. 1 (or LFm1).

In Britain the Ministry of Defence begins work on a prototype version of what has been designated on plans as the model A41 tank. It has been designed as a "Universal Tank" and is hoped to be able to stand up to most modern anti-tank fire. It originally was designed with a weight limit of 40 tons, to accomodate current tank carriers. This has since been upped to allow for thicker armour (up to 118mm at the front) and a new tank gun that the MoD has been developing for such a tank (the 20 pounder). It is hoped that when finished this vehicle will be able to be modified to fulfil every possible role that the army may need and hence standardise spare parts and training across the whole service.

OOC: This will eventually evolve into the brilliant Centurion Tank, which was introduced in 1945. Will eventually (1959 RL) be upgunned to th famous 105mm gun and extra armour. It will feature many varients including:
AVRE (Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers) vehicles (with a massive 165mm main gun)
artillery observation vehicles
bulldozers
ramp carriers
bridgelayers
recovery vehicles

They will standardise the tank forces of the British army and will feature prominently in any conflict from our E20 late 40's to well into the 1980's.

I am working on the basis that we are still 5 years ahead in terms of military technology and as the prototype was first released in 1943, this is on schedule.

Reports of the powerful French tanks prompts the US Army to begin discussions with the British about placing a 17 pounder gun on its main tank, the Sherman. It also leads to more funding for the heavy tank project (which becomes the Pershing). The M10 tank destroyer is placed into production in sizeable numbers and a new tank destroyer, the M36, with a 90 mm gun is tested.

Imperial Japanese Navy:

Land and land based forces (Home Islands and Formosa)
3 Marine corps (at Taihoku)
2 Navy land based fighter units (A6M)
5 Navy land based 2-engined naval air units (Nell)
1 Navy 4-engined naval air flying boat unit (Mavis)
1 Navy 4-engined bomber unit (B17A)
9 pilot units
Deployment: 1 fighter, 2 Nells, 1 B17A at Tanian, 1 fighter, 3 Nells at Sapporo, 1 Mavis at Tokyo,

Combined Fleet (Home waters)
Main Body (based at Hiroshima)
Carriers: Zuikaku, Hiei, Kongo, Ryuho, Soryu, Shokaku
Battleships: Haruna, Kirishima, Nagato, Mikasa
Heavy Cruisers: Kinguasa, Haguro, Ashigara, Kitsugari, Aoba,
Light Cruisers: Naka, Kimu, Naara
5 Antiaircraft cruisers
50 modernized tech level 6 destroyers (5 light ship units)
10 tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship unit)
3 carrier fighters (A6M), 1 carrier torpedo bombers (Kate), 2 carrier dive bombers (Val), 5 carrier pilots

Striking Force (based at Tokyo)
Carriers: Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu,
Battleships: Yamato, Mushashi
Heavy Cruisers: Nachi, Myoko, Furutaka, Kako
Light Cruiser Yubari, Jintsu
10 tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship unit)
20 modernized tech 6 destroyers (2 light ship units)
10 (1 submarine unit) tech level 6 fleet submarines (I class)
1 carrier fighter (A6M), 2 carrier torpedo bombers (Kate), 3 carrier pilots

Other forces (based at Nagayo)
80 (8 submarine units) tech level 6 fleet submarines (I class)
40 tech level 5 destroyers (2 light ship units)
8 transport fleet units
30 shipping units
2 amphibious fleet units
3 Battle Ship (Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyugan – Mothballed)
2 Cruisers (Sendai, Kiso – Mothballed)


Imperial Japanese Army
2 x 5 point mountain corps (resource hex Hokkaido)
1 x 5 point garrison unit
1 x 3 point flak unit (Sapporo)
1 x 5 point infantry corps
1 x 3 point flak unit (Taihoku)
1 HQ, 2 x 9 point infantry corps
2 x 8 point infantry corps (Nagoya)
4 x 6 point infantry corps (Fukoku)
1 HQ unit
2 x 12 point armored corps
2 x 12 point mechanized corps (Ominato)
1 HQ, 1 x 3 point field artillery unit
3 x 7 point mechanized corps (Tokyo)
1 x 14 point armored corps (Nagasaki)
4 x 3 point flak units (Hiroshima)
2 x 3 point flak units (Kyoto),

Imperial Japanese Army Air Force
2 x B17C strategic bomber units
1 x Peggy bomber unit
1 x fighter unit (Oscar) at Haikoku

49.5 Points Maintenance

OOC: Time to update according to my builds

Union Defense Force 1938

South African Army
1x Mechanzied Corps (Tempe)
1x HQ Unit (Temoe)
1x Field Artillery (Kimberly)

South African Air Reserve
1x Fighter Unit (Hawker Hurricanes) (Tempe)
2x Pilot Unit (reserve)

South African Naval Service (Simonstown, Durban)
2x Tech 6 Light Ship (5 cruisers, 10 destroyers) (1 squadron at Simonstown, 1 squadron at Durban)

Total Maintenance: 2.75 points [The HQ unit was built in 1938, so its upkeep costs were not factored into that year's build. I'm also spending money on the pilots, to give them an edge in combat]

Reports of the powerful French tanks prompts the US Army to begin discussions with the British about placing a 17 pounder gun on its main tank, the Sherman. It also leads to more funding for the heavy tank project (which becomes the Pershing). The M10 tank destroyer is placed into production in sizeable numbers and a new tank destroyer, the M36, with a 90 mm gun is tested.

Britain consents to this plan, several prototypes are produced from the basic Sherman shell and function well. Large scale production has been scheduled to commence for the US army as soon as viable. The vehicle is codenamed "Firefly". The British Army has ordered several hundred of the new model but intends to continue production of it's own 17pdr tank destroyer, codenamed Archer. This vehicle has been in production for a few months now and is seen as a good choice by British MoD officials who prefer the 100% British Built tagline for use in parliamentary discussions about any costs incurred by upgrading.

South Africa has begun developing and producing new armored cars (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10212438&postcount=72)to replace older models, and is looking into developing locally-produced tanks.

in case it hasn't been noticed... military unit costs are now at the beginning of this thread. In addition, some new unit types exist, and tech level 6 and 6.5 nations now have some interesting new things to look at.

Basically military units are smaller at tech level 6, a corps is more like 35,000 men and only 2 or 3 divisions, while at tech level 5 it was closer to 50,000 men.

A section of the Japanese Striking Force will shortly begin live-fire practice missions in the South China Sea.

Fleet Make-up (semi-secret)
Striking Force (based at Tokyo)
Carriers: Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu,
Battleships: Yamato, Mushashi
Heavy Cruisers: Nachi, Myoko, Furutaka, Kako
Light Cruiser Yubari, Jintsu
10 tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship unit)
20 modernized tech 6 destroyers (2 light ship units)
10 (1 submarine unit) tech level 6 fleet submarines (I class)
2 amphibious fleet units
1 carrier fighter (A6M), 2 carrier torpedo bombers (Kate), 3 carrier pilots

Rumanian Military

Royal Rumanian Army
1 Mechanised Corp(Bucharest)
1 Alpine Corp(Transylvania)
2 Field Artillery Units (1 in Transylvania, 1 in Bucharest)

Reserves
2 Motorised Corps (Bucharest)

Royal Army Air Corp
1 Fighter Wing (IAR81Cs)
1 Single-Engined Bomber Wing (Stukas)

Royal Rumanian Navy
1 Heavy Cruiser(NMS Regel Carol I)
2 Light Crusiers (NMS Dacia and NMS Elisabeta)
10 Destroyers [1 Light Ship Counter] (NMS Regele Ferdinand Flotilla,)