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[Edit:] This election is now over. Official results and list of MPs here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424018).

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Ladies and gentlemen... The moment you have all been waiting for...

The election begins!

A few points, first. I'd like to apologise to all the tiny parties that, for the most part, sprang up within the last thirty-six hours, and have not had the time to gather members to debate and discuss policies and come up with a consensual manifesto. But just because you're not standing in this election doesn't make your party insignificant in the long run. There's no reason for a political party to end with the election... quite the contrary.

Second, this is how it's going to work. Everyone can vote, and cast one vote. I've set the poll to end automatically on June 6th. At that point, the results will be official, and I will announce how many MP seats have been attributed to each party. There are 25 seats up for grabs, which means you need 4% of the vote in order to get one seat. When the results are out, each party can decide which of its members to give its seats to.

In fact, once the election is over, it's up to you all what happens next. If parties want to open talks between one another to form coalitions and try to gain a majority of seats through alliances, that's fine, and have fun with it!

In any case, I hope you've been enjoying yourselves so far, and that the election itself will be interesting too. ;)

The following parties are those competing in this election, by alphabetical order, and the links are to their manifesto, so that voters may make an informed decision.

* Cult of TInk Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418619)
* Democratic Socialist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666)
* Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621)
* NS Classic Liberals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208)
* NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046)
* Party of Order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418844)
* Party of Whatever Works (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420124)
* Revolutionary Trotskyist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701)
* United Democratic Communist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610)
* "Up yours!" Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022)

Good luck to everyone, and I hereby declare this election begun!


[Edit:] Obviously, you don't have to read through this whole thread before voting, on the contrary. If you would like to cast your vote without being influenced, simply look at the manifestos (linked to above), and don't look through this thread beyond this post.

[Edit:] And I apologise for the formulation of the question... That should be "whom", or course, not "who". ;)

Can we post our campaign posters here? :D

EDIT: Here's the first NS Classic Liberal campaign poster.

EDIT2: Added new campaign poster.

EDIT3: Added 3rd campaign poster.

EDIT4: What's a campaign without some blatant propaganda? :D

EDIT5: Added last (?) campaign poster.

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal2.jpg

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal3.jpg

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal4.jpg

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal5.jpg

I'm the first "Up Yours" voter.

Can we post our campaign posters here? :D

Yes, why not...

BTW .. [Cult of Tink] made me dismiss this as an actual voting thingy.

:rolleyes:

None of mine were on there anyway..

I'm the first "Up Yours" voter.

Heh. Melkor Unchained will be so pleased. :p

* NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans

Am I the only one for whom this link doesn't work? :confused:

7-Up!

* NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans

Am I the only one for whom this link doesn't work? :confused:

I've just tested it, and it works fine for me.

Wewt for the Classic Liberals.

Wewt for the Classic Liberals.

:D By my siggy it should be obvious who I voted for.

I've just tested it, and it works fine for me.

Never mind, I got it to work. :)

"The only good surfacer is a dead surfacer"
http://www.english-zone.com/funstuff/ratattack.jpg

JOIN MOBRA

The only party that will make this a reality!

VOTE REVOLUTIONARY TROTSKYISTS
http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6356/rtp3cg.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/sleb/HANSAYS.jpg

I'm the first "Up Yours" voter.

That makes you my Prime Minister! Keep up the good work! :D

Snazzy positions for those who vote! Secret police! Ninjas galore! Vote "Up Yours!" Today!

I voted NS Classic Liberals...

Remember folks! If you want honesty in politics, here I am! Everyone else wants to run things their own way, but I'm the only one that comes out and says it!

It's always been said that the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship. The "Up Yours!" Party brings fast, fair decision making to the table! I stand for... well... me!

And... well, you too. I don't want to be a hypocrite here.

Hmm... It looks as if it's going to be a fairly close race altogether... Except that the NS Classic Liberals are really pulling ahead!

If things were to end now, after about an hour of voting, this is what the NS General 'Parliament' would look like:

The NS Classic Liberals would have 8 seats.
The MRR, UDCP and "Up yours!" Party would have 3 seats each.
The Democratic Socialists, MOBRA, Party of Whatever Works and RTP would have 2 seats each.

Which gives us exactly 25 seats. The beauty of mathematics. :)

Hmm... It looks as if it's going to be a fairly close race altogether... Except that the NS Classic Liberals are really pulling ahead!

If things were to end now, after about an hour of voting, this is what the NS General 'Parliament' would look like:

The NS Classic Liberals would have 8 seats.
The MRR, UDCP and "Up yours!" Party would have 3 seats each.
The Democratic Socialists, MOBRA, Party of Whatever Works and RTP would have 2 seats each.

Which gives us exactly 25 seats. The beauty of mathematics. :)

Wait, if I somehow win more than one seat, can I just absorb the other 'seats' as my own and have my vote count as x? No one else is in my party. I won't allow it!

Haha! We've still got one seat. It's not going to last though... :(

Come on people, you know you want to score some treats for the workers before the revolution proper turns up. :D

Wait, if I somehow win more than one seat, can I just absorb the other 'seats' as my own and have my vote count as x? No one else is in my party. I won't allow it!

Actually, that's why I kept the number of seats fairly limited: there are several parties out there with fairly few members. Still, if a party wins more seats than it has members, then those extra seats just remain vacant, and the party simply has more seats than it has MPs. In other words, those seats belong to that party, but are useless to it.

"I don't agree with their program, but at least they don't *lie* about it."

~ Suncritter, amazed by Up Yours' honesty. Votes solely on the sound of the party. And 'Up Yours' sounds... Honest.

"I don't agree with their program, but at least they don't *lie* about it."

~ Suncritter, amazed by Up Yours' honesty. Votes solely on the sound of the party. And 'Up Yours' sounds... Honest.

Thank you, thank you. I do pride myself in my honesty. Dissent, at any rate, is amazingly more valuable than mindless agreement.

BTW .. [Cult of Tink] made me dismiss this as an actual voting thingy.

:rolleyes:

None of mine were on there anyway..
why?

http://img64.echo.cx/img64/843/cotp25wb.jpg

W00t! One vote! I can't imagine who voted for me.... :D

No! TInk lures small children into her gingerbread house! It's lies! All lies! I've seen the dungeons myself!

Alrighty...added our campaign poster to my original post.

Hell, why not post it here for good measure? ;)

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

Ooh, how very neat! Exactly 25 votes. That makes it easy to say what the seats would be:

The NS Classic Liberals and the "Up yours!" Party would have 7 seats each.
The COTP, DSP, MRR and UDCP would have 2 seats each.
MOBRA, the Party of Whatever Works and the RTP would have 1 seat each.

No! TInk lures small children into her gingerbread house! It's lies! All lies! I've seen the dungeons myself!

Axe the tax!
http://www.wealddown.co.uk/images%20shop/480%20Broad%20Axe.jpg

VOTE MOBRA

The only party that will bring a 0% tax on everything!

Ummm.... not the only one. Read my platform, jive turkey!

The UDCP election banner (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/PureMetal/UDCPbanner.jpg), by Pure Metal. Vote for the only genuinely social party, which has a full and detailed manifesto, written through a process of debate, with the input of all members and supporters! Vote for a truly democratic party, which gives you a say, and makes your well-being a priority!

Yes, why not...
In Australia there is a law which prohibits anybody attempting to sway or persuade voters in any way after a certain point. Usually it is upon entrance to the building - but before you enter the building you have to wait in line outside the building, where you are hounded with pamphlets and shit.
You get about 10-15 mins of line inside the building, which is enough time to clear your head from all the propaganda and such.
I think a similar thing would be good here, even if this post is a tad late.

No! TInk lures small children into her gingerbread house! It's lies! All lies! I've seen the dungeons myself!

Can I be lured into TInk's gingerbread house even though I'm not a small child? :p

No! TInk lures small children into her gingerbread house! It's lies! All lies! I've seen the dungeons myself!
for milk and cookies, and their parents are with them too! :rolleyes:


Melkor has a red beard, red hair is the sign of the devil, he can't be trusted, he has angry eyes too

Can I be lured into TInk's gingerbread house even though I'm not a small child? :p
everyone's welcome, especially people who vote for me ;)

In Australia there is a law which prohibits anybody attempting to sway or persuade voters in any way after a certain point. Usually it is upon entrance to the building - but before you enter the building you have to wait in line outside the building, where you are hounded with pamphlets and shit.
You get about 10-15 mins of line inside the building, which is enough time to clear your head from all the propaganda and such.
I think a similar thing would be good here, even if this post is a tad late.

*nods*

Actually I thought of that, and there's a similar rule here in France. I almost decided to implement it here, but then decided it would be more fun for everyone if I didn't. Besides, no-one is obliged to read through this whole thread. They can just read the first post (which is completely neutral), and then cast their vote.

Kewl.



Democratic Socialist Party

W00t! 2 votes!

I have cast my own permitted vote, but alas no one else has voted for me. I guess I shall be confined to the back benches. :mad:

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/2303/image084mad0rp6ry.jpg

The Party of order - Working for safety and peace, Screw ethics.

GO MOLEY AND RODENTS PARTY!!!!


hey, if they are gonna take over us, i wanna be on their good side...

I have cast my own permitted vote, but alas no one else has voted for me. I guess I shall be confined to the back benches. :mad:

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/2303/image084mad0rp6ry.jpg

The Party of order - Working for safety and peace, Screw ethics.

I think i'm joining you there :p

GO MOLEY AND RODENTS PARTY!!!!


hey, if they are gonna take over us, i wanna be on their good side...

W00t! W0p.

*Gives Lapse several cookies*

And if no one reaches 50%.. run off? :)

And if no one reaches 50%.. run off? :)

Hmm... That's an interesting idea, but no; we would simply have a Parliament where no party would have an absolute majority. It's fairer that way, since a run-off would mean depriving the smaller parties of seats.

So, once the election is over, if anyone wants a majority, they're going to have to start thinking about coalitions. ;)

I feel it's important to let you all know that The Party of Order is in fact run by a crazy man, does this look like a man who can keep order?

http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/imagemad0zb.jpg

Hmm... That's an interesting idea, but no; we would simply have a Parliament where no party would have an absolute majority. It's fairer that way, since a run-off would mean depriving the smaller parties of seats.

So, once the election is over, if anyone wants a majority, they're going to have to start thinking about coalitions. ;)
Sudden death last man standing if noone has 50%?

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/7276/campaign8pj.jpg

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/7276/campaign8pj.jpg

Or, even better, why not have a party where you get to murder the surfacers!!!!!! :D

Do not be swayed by lofty but empty promises of 'security' and 'free care'! Collectivism is slavery! Vote for the only party that truly allows you to be FREE to follow your dreams! Vote for the only party that allows YOU and YOUR family to enjoy the fruits of YOUR labor! Vote for the only party that respects YOUR INDIVIDUAL rights!

Vote NS Classic Liberals!

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

Do not be swayed by lofty but empty promises of 'security' and 'free care'! Collectivism is slavery! Vote for the only party that truly allows you to be FREE to follow your dreams! Vote for the only party that allows YOU and YOUR family to enjoy the fruits of YOUR labor! Vote for the only party that respects YOUR INDIVIDUAL rights!

Vote NS Classic Liberals!

People like you will bring down society. On the day we seize power, we will be sure to execute you. Order is the only way forward, and hippies like you must be eliminated!

http://img99.exs.cx/img99/7937/magicaltin2gk.jpg
Magical TIN sez vote for the Party of Order!

~The TIN man, Supreme commander of the Party of Order, and NS's most Random poster

Woo! The UDCP has pulled into joint second place!

A heart-felt thank you to everyone who is voting UDCP! With your help, we can make our ideals come true. True democracy, true freedom, a genuine society in which everyone's fundamental rights would be upheld, and not sacrificed for the sake of selfishness and senseless profit.

I am currenty holding a large sign that says:

"Will dance for Tink votes"

People like you will bring down society. On the day we seize power, we will be sure to execute you. Order is the only way forward, and hippies like you must be eliminated!
We crazy, entrepreneurial, capitalist hippies will have the best, biggest and meanest weapons on the planet due to our thriving and innovative arms industry. BRING IT ON!

I am currenty holding a large sign that says:

"Will dance for Tink votes"
I am currently holding a large sign that says:
"Will dance for people punching the other guy holding the large sign"

:mad: Dammit... NS is full of Leftist liberal pansies. All the parties up in the lead are Left wing parties.

When I gain power, I shall eliminate the Left and the right, leaving only the center. And I shall be the center... of the universe!

Curse you Lefty Scum! :D

We crazy, entrepreneurial, capitalist hippies will have the best, biggest and meanest weapons on the planet due to our thriving and innovative arms industry. BRING IT ON!

So now you admit you are crazy, capitalist and warmongering! This is too good to be true. I shall bring it on... :mad:

So now you admit you are crazy, capitalist and warmongering! This is too good to be true. I shall bring it on... :mad:
We will only fight to defend ourselves and our property. If you attack first, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR COLLECTIVE ASS STOMPED IN AN 'ORDERLY' MANNER!

Woohoo! Vote for us! No military draft! :)

:mad: Dammit... NS is full of Leftist liberal pansies. All the parties up in the lead are Left wing parties.

When I gain power, I shall eliminate the Left and the right, leaving only the center. And I shall be the center... of the universe!

Curse you Lefty Scum! :D

Are you kidding? The NS Classic Liberals are anything but left-wing. In economic terms, they're about as right-wing as you can get.

We will only fight to defend ourselves and our property. If you attack first, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR COLLECTIVE ASS STOMPED IN AN 'ORDERLY' MANNER!

My my? Temper Temper. Please, keep calm. You may stress your voters into leaving. A cool collected mind would make a great leader, not someone prone to explosions of shouting like you... :D

Sudden death last man standing if noone has 50%?

If no-one reaches 50%, then there will simply be no party with a majority of seats in Parliament. Seats are attributed based on proportional representation. So the only way to obtain a majority, after the election, if no-one has reached 50%, is to start forming coalitions. Though I'm not sure there are many parties susceptible to coalescing...

Vote NS Classic Liberals!
DEATH TO LIBERALISM AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR!

(I refuse to use the word "liberalism" with its modern American meaning; I reserve it for the filth of classical liberalism, the scourge of the human race)

Are you kidding? The NS Classic Liberals are anything but left-wing. In economic terms, they're about as right-wing as you can get.

So their own name is an oxymoron? Oh boy...

My my? Temper Temper. Please, keep calm. You may stress your voters into leaving. A cool collected mind would make a great leader, not someone prone to explosions of shouting like you... :D
and i suppose this: http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/imagemad0zb.jpg is the face of a man with a cool, collected mind eh? :rolleyes:

I am currently holding a large sign that says:
"Will dance for people punching the other guy holding the large sign"

Remove you're sacriligious sign before I beat you over the head with my own.

So their own name is an oxymoron? Oh boy...

I see some people don't know the difference between what the old definition of liberal was and what the new definition is.

My my? Temper Temper. Please, keep calm. You may stress your voters into leaving. A cool collected mind would make a great leader, not someone prone to explosions of shouting like you... :D
*sends spies to covertly record TIN's insane ranting and ravings about 'lefties' and such...takes the tape...and broadcasts it worldwide over radio, television and the internet*

and i suppose this: http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/imagemad0zb.jpg is the face of a man with a cool, collected mind eh? :rolleyes:

The fact that the picture has been edited proves that you are attempting to slander me. Which is very, very low.

http://img225.echo.cx/img225/1569/vyse7sw.jpg

This guys voting for the Party of Order. Peace, safety and eternal joy will be his reward. Are you voting Party of Order?

(Heh... i've got more chance of finding loose change in my underwear than winning this election. :( )

Vote for Equality, Collectivism and Justice. Vote for an end to capitalist exploitation and oppression. Vote for the rights of workers to keep the fruits of their - YOUR - labour.

VOTE UNITED DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/PureMetal/UDCPbanner.jpg

The ONLY party that FINALLY lets you have sweet revenge on your boss.

and i suppose this: http://www.hlj.me.uk/NS/imagemad0zb.jpg is the face of a man with a cool, collected mind eh? :rolleyes:

ROFL. That's brilliant!

And... the COTP has shot up! Woo, TInk! :)

:fluffle:

The "Classic Liberals" are just libertarians. They want to sell your freedom to the private sector, simple as that.

*sends spies to covertly record TIN's insane ranting and ravings about 'lefties' and such...takes the tape...and broadcasts it worldwide over radio, television and the internet*

Meh. Everyone already knows I'm daft as a brush and twice as fragrant. Thats probably why no-one is voting for me. :D

DEATH TO LIBERALISM AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR!

(I refuse to use the word "liberalism" with its modern American meaning; I reserve it for the filth of classical liberalism, the scourge of the human race)
See? Warmongers and genocidal maniacs!

The fact that the picture has been edited proves that you are attempting to slander me. Which is very, very low.

well this one http://img165.exs.cx/img165/6155/imagemad0zb.jpg hasn't been edited and it still looks like a crazy man to me......

REFORMISM HASN'T WORKED SO FAR- THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND JOIN THE RTP

The ONLY party that FINALLY lets you have sweet revenge on your boss.
Vote NS Classic Liberals -- the ONLY party to empower you BE YOUR OWN BOSS!

Meh. Everyone already knows I'm daft as a brush and twice as fragrant. Thats probably why no-one is voting for me. :D
HAHA@! :D

See? Warmongers and genocidal maniacs!
Genocidal? No. Warmonger? Mmmm, yes. I make no peace with capitalism.

where is the forum royalty or the rejects? :(

http://www.xxl-humor.net/resource/gallery/fotos/tierisch/full_tierisch_074.jpg

Do you want to be ruled by a fluffy kitten? Yes? Then vote for the Party of Order! If not, still vote for the Party of Order! Fluffy kittens for all!

Vote NS Classic Liberals -- the ONLY party to empower you BE YOUR OWN BOSS!

Vote NS Classic Liberals- take away all laws that require your boss to treat you like a human!

Vote NS Classic Liberals -- the ONLY party to empower you BE YOUR OWN BOSS!
Yes, because in the fantasy world of the classical liberals, it's possible to have AN ENTIRE NATION composed ONLY of bosses.

where is the forum royalty or the rejects? :(well i'm in both so vote COTP!

Socialism = Nazis

Capitalism = $$$$

NS Classic Liberals.... Where your money STAYS your money.

Vote NS Classic Liberals- take away all laws that require your boss to treat you like a human!

Indeed. You have a choice in this election. Vote NS Classic Liberals, and vote for a small minority of the rich and ruthless to exploit you, with no obligation to respect even your most basic rights - or vote United Democratic Communist Party, and vote for a party that will place your rights ahead of a ruthless minority's selfish drive for endless, senseless profit.

VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS!

1. NO Compulsory Taxation
2. NO Restriction on Drugs
3. NO Military Draft
4. NO Restriction on Abortion
5. NO Restriction on Marriage
6. NO Collectivism

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

*is both dissapointed and proud to be the only one so far to vote for the Party of Whatever Works*

Seriously, it'll work....vote for it. :p

where is the forum royalty or the rejects? :(

If you mean the Royalty Rejects, they didn't start a party.

But you can vote for royalty by voting COTP, and recognising HRH TInk as your rightful queen. :p

http://img228.echo.cx/img228/9011/friedfuck9xp.jpg

Socialism = Nazis

Capitalism = $$$$
NS Classic Liberals... Using the same tested-and-true methods of slander first employed by Adolf Hitler:

"It belongs to the genius of a great political leader to make even adversaries far removed from one another seem to belong to a single category, because in weak and uncertain characters the knowledge of having different enemies can only too readily lead to the beginning of doubt in their own right. Once the wavering mass sees itself in a struggle against too many enemies, objectivity will put in an appearance, throwing open the question whether all others are really wrong and only their own movement are in the right. And this brings about the first paralysis of their own power. Hence a multiplicity of different adversaries must always be combined so that in the eyes of one's own supporters the struggle is directed against only one enemy."
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"

NS Classic Liberals.... Where your money STAYS your money.
...but you work like a slave for your capitalist overlords.

Go Tinik, GO!

NS Classic Liberals... Using the same tested-and-true methods of slander first employed by Adolf Hitler:

"It belongs to the genius of a great political leader to make even adversaries far removed from one another seem to belong to a single category, because in weak and uncertain characters the knowledge of having different enemies can only too readily lead to the beginning of doubt in their own right. Once the wavering mass sees itself in a struggle against too many enemies, objectivity will put in an appearance, throwing open the question whether all others are really wrong and only their own movement are in the right. And this brings about the first paralysis of their own power. Hence a multiplicity of different adversaries must always be combined so that in the eyes of one's own supporters the struggle is directed against only one enemy."
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"


...but you work like a slave for your capitalist overlords.

Oh, I see you memorized his book. How nice!

*is both dissapointed and proud to be the only one so far to vote for the Party of Whatever Works*

Seriously, it'll work....vote for it. :p

Well, so far it's the only party that wouldn't obtain any seats... But it attracted a fair bit of attention and support just a few days ago, so I'm guessing it'll soon be on the rise.

Indeed. You have a choice in this election. Vote NS Classic Liberals, and vote for a small minority of the rich and ruthless to exploit you, with no obligation to respect even your most basic rights - or vote United Democratic Communist Party, and vote for a party that will place your rights ahead of a ruthless minority's selfish drive for endless, senseless profit.
The UDCP are reformists and true change can never come from within the state. Vote for the Revolutionary Trotskyist Party to raise working-class standards of living and prepare for the revolution!

Oh, I see you memorized his book. How nice!
Actually I have a list of useful quotes that I can quickly copy & paste... but thank you for acknowledging that communists have so much brain power they can memorize entire libraries.

Actually I have a list of useful quotes that I can quickly copy & paste... but thank you for acknowledging that communists have so much brain power they can memorize entire libraries.

Yeah.....

"You are pitiful isolated individuals; you are bankrupts; your role is played out. Go where you belong from now on ... into the dustbin of history!"

Actually I have a list of useful quotes that I can quickly copy & paste... but thank you for acknowledging that communists have so much brain power they can memorize entire libraries.

Nope. Only Mein Kompf.

I see a Communist - Democratic Socialist - Cult of TInk coalition on the horizon.

OK, if everyone could stop calling their opponents "nazis", that would be nice. There are no nazis in this election. Capitalists calling communists "nazis", and vice-versa, isn't exactly constructive.

And... Yikes! Things are fast-moving in this election! The "Up yours!" Party's initial burst of popularity and momentum seems to have wound down, while the COTP, after a slow start, is now soaring! The Socialist Party is also quietly going strong. Anything remains possible! :p

Do you want a bunch of squabbling parties to rule you? Or do you want a party that takes ACTION, and does what is required? VOTE for the Party of Order!

(Waits for a rebuttal or another claim of my insanity... read a book... EVERYONE KNOWS I'M DAFT AS A CACTUS!)

VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS -- the ONLY party to allow you to RISE TO THE LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE of which you are capable!

What do you get with the DSP or the NDCP?

1. The EQUALITY of state-enforced SERFDOM.
2. The right to NOT enjoy the fruits of your individual labor.
3. Your neighbor will have the right to be lazy and survive from YOUR HARD WORK.

Holy mackerel! It's the commies and the semi-commies in a photo finish! Couldn't see that one coming! :p

Who has the better organized party?

The UDCP are reformists and true change can never come from within the state. Vote for the Revolutionary Trotskyist Party to raise working-class standards of living and prepare for the revolution!

We are reformists because we believe that a sudden, violent revolution can achieve very little. If you impose a revolution on society without the people being ready to accept it, then your endeavours are ultimately self-defeating. Which is why we strive to have our policies accepted by the voters, and a UDCP government would implement a transitional period to help people adapt to communism - i.e., true democracy, full equality, a genuine society of caring and mutual responsability.

Many have already cast their votes... it seems that any party with less than 5 votes now has no chance of winning... my fight is now to get a seat in parliament.

1. The EQUALITY of state-enforced SERFDOM.
Serfdom is INEQUALITY - there are serfs, and there are masters. Equality does not allow for oppression, since there can't be any masters.

2. The right to NOT enjoy the fruits of your individual labor.
That only happens in capitalism, when your boss exploits your work and takes away some of the money YOU deserve in the form of HIS profit.

3. Your neighbor will have the right to be lazy and survive from YOUR HARD WORK.
You mean like Paris Hilton?

*quietly stands in corner and waves little (insert favorite color here) flag of Whatever Works party*

Constantinopolis, make up your mind. Are you Socialist or Communist?

We are reformists because we believe that a sudden, violent revolution can achieve very little. If you impose a revolution on society without the people being ready to accept it, then your endeavours are ultimately self-defeating. Which is why we strive to have our policies accepted by the voters, and a UDCP government would implement a transitional period to help people adapt to communism - i.e., true democracy, full equality, a genuine society of caring and mutual responsability.
The UDCP has never said anything about any sort of revolution so you cannot clal yourselves "transitional" because all you're going to do ultimately is change a few labour laws. We on the other hand, are out to provide the working classes without transitional demands until such a time when a revolution can be introduced.

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/9605/trotspec3qv.jpg

"In a serious struggle there is no worse cruelty than to be magnanimous at an inopportune time."

Okay... it's 5:20am here and I haven't slept. I think I'll take a nap for a couple hours and let my fellow NS Classic Liberals campaign for a while.

For my fellow NSCL members, here is the link to the campaign poster:

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg

Have fun. I'll check back when I wake up in a few hours. :D

VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS -- the ONLY party to allow you to RISE TO THE LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE of which you are capable!

What do you get with the DSP or the NDCP?

1. The EQUALITY of state-enforced SERFDOM.
2. The right to NOT enjoy the fruits of your individual labor.
3. Your neighbor will have the right to be lazy and survive from YOUR HARD WORK.

If you read the UDCP manifesto, you will see that none of that is true. What you are describing is a corrupted form of State Socialism; what we are offering is communism. If you read our manifesto, you will see that everyone will enjoy freedom, the rights to finally enjoy the fruits of their labour (unlike capitalism, where lazy exploiters rob the workers of the fruits of their work, and people work to satisfy the greed of inhumane masters!), and that everyone will be a productive member of society.

Only communism enables you to fully express yourself and rise to the full level of excellence of your potential; capitalism offers you only the possibility of being a slave toiling for the senseless profit of masters who care nothing for your well-being, or, rarely, the possibility of rising to the level of those masters, and living off the sweat of others. Only communism allows you to enjoy the rightful fruits of your own labour, in a spirit of social responsability and mutual caring!

Constantinopolis, make up your mind. Are you Socialist or Communist?
I am a Communist, but since Communists are a subset of Socialists, that automatically makes me a Socialist as well. You seem a little confused...

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."

....And that's what you get with the United Democratic Socialist Party.

http://img123.echo.cx/img123/2523/darthvaderlg2rb.jpg

all you're going to do ultimately is change a few labour laws.

That is blatantly incorrect, and only shows you have not read our manifesto.

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CLASSIC LIBERALS SUPPORT THE HIERARCHICAL SYSTEM OF CAPITALISM. VOTE RTP

I am a Communist, but since Communists are a subset of Socialists, that automatically makes me a Socialist as well. You seem a little confused...

I thought Socialism was partial Communism, but not total.

....And that's what you get with the United Democratic Socialist Party.
The what? Go to bed, you're already half-asleep. :p

That is blatantly incorrect, and only shows you have not read our manifesto.
I've read your manifesto, you simply can't do everything you set out to do under a capitalist state

"The difference between libertarianism and socialism is that libertarians will tolerate the existence of a socialist community, but socialists can't tolerate a libertarian community."

What would you rather have? Tolerance? Or intolerance?

BTW.* For “undesirable” and unskilled jobs, a large-scale rota system would be instituted, functioning on a local level so that everyone is involved.VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS -- WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A JANITOR OR DITCH-DIGGER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE.

I've read your manifesto, you simply can't do everything you set out to do under a capitalist state
...which should be a hint that we don't intend to keep the current capitalist state.

I thought Socialism was partial Communism, but not total.
okay socialist is just another term for a democratic socialist
a communist tends to be more to the left than a socialist and may support a revolution
socialism is the system where a government is run by the people, for the people and all property is held by the state and distributed to those who need it most
communism is the end result- a society with no formal government but different communes working together

A vote for the Liberals is a vote for the Conservatives

I've read your manifesto, you simply can't do everything you set out to do under a capitalist state

Eh... You must only have skimmed through it, then. There will be no capitalist state if we are elected.

Uhm.....i love VOTE for...... :P


http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index....ation=kleidemos

...which should be a hint that we don't intend to keep the current capitalist state.
however you dance around the issue of a revolution and never really talk about it, do you?

VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS -- WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A JANITOR OR DITCH-DIGGER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE.
...unless your boss decides that's whats best for you

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Walt Disney says VOTE COTP!

The Party of Order officially protests over this endless slandering of each others parties. This is ment to be an election of fun, not of anger and rage. Please, show your fellow opponent some respect, and we shall have a peaceful election.

The bickering can start with parliament... :D

Eh... You must only have skimmed through it, then. There will be no capitalist state if we are elected.
There would be because you have had to use a capitalist "democracy" to come to power, you would be in control of capitalist bureacracy and ultimately would be responsible to the middle and upper classes instead of the working classes

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Walt Disney says VOTE COTP!
Walt Disney was a pedophile.

NOW I go to sleep. *snore*

Walt Disney was a pedophile.

NOW I go to sleep. *snore*
no he wasn't

Socialists make the mistake of confusing individual worth with success. They believe you cannot allow people to succeed in case those who fail feel worthless. – Kenneth Baker

Walt Disney says VOTE COTP!
You do know Walt Disney:

-Was an ass who stole many ideas off other cartoon companies

-Did not pay his cartoonists very well

-Did not let anyones name other than his appear on the credits

-Was a sadistic fool

Oh, and he's dead.

BTW.VOTE NS CLASSIC LIBERALS -- WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A JANITOR OR DITCH-DIGGER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE.

Vote UDCP, if you don't want to be stuck being a janitor or ditch digger all your life...or if you don't want to see others being forced into that position. Only with capitalism will anyone be compelled to live as a janitor all his life.

Walt Disney was a pedophile.

NOW I go to sleep. *snore*

I think that was Lewis Caroll (sp?).

Compared to how Disney is run today, old Walt was a saint.

I thought Socialism was partial Communism, but not total.
No. Let me explain:

Socialism can mean either (a) an economic system, or (b) a political movement which originally advocated that economic system (but in the past hundred years, the socialist movement has branched out into a lot of different groups that have very little in common besides a general commitment to social and economic equality).

A socialist economic system is an economic system in which the means of production are under the control of the people - something usually known as "public property over the means of production". In brief, socialism means economic democracy. A socialist economy is an economy democratically controlled by the people. There are several ways to achieve such democratic control - the most commonly supported model is a planned economy where the planners have to answer before the people (for example because they are elected by the people, and/or can be recalled by the people).

A socialist economy also involves extensive social services and full employment. As part of the basic human right to Life, every individual is guaranteed certain basic standards of living (food, clothing, a decent home, free healthcare and free education). Beyond those basic standards of living, however, an individual is free to earn more and grow richer, through his/her own work. Socialism does not create absolute economic equality, but it does reduce inequality to very small levels - much smaller than the absurd inequality that exists under capitalism.

Basically, socialism = planned economy + democracy + a high degree of social and economic equality

An economy with lots of public services and state-owned firms, but which still runs on market principles, is not socialism. It is a "social market economy", supported by social democrats.

http://img164.echo.cx/img164/3341/marx7vj.jpg

Okay, I haven't slept all night and now i have a class in about an hour, so I'm gonna get ready.


Vote NS Classic Liberals for a good time!.... Oh wait. That's what I wrote in the Wal-Mart bathroom stall.

Communism can also mean either an economic system or a political movement which supports that system (note, however, that communists want to achieve socialism first, and move on to communism later).

A communist economic system has two main differences from a socialist one:

1. In socialism, the means of production are public property while everything else is private property. In communism, however, everything is public property.
2. Socialism involves the existence of a (democratic) state. In communism there is no state.

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I see a Communist - Democratic Socialist - Cult of TInk coalition on the horizon.

Hmm... I suppose that's possible. We'll have to see after the election.

The left vote is split between the UDCP, DSP, COTP and RTP right now. In a way that's good, because it allows various ideals to express themselves. But it does have the unfortunate side-effect that the Classic Liberals are pulling ahead...

Together, our four parties have got 52.62% of the vote so far. Way ahead of the Classic Liberals, who have 18.42% (or 23.68% if you add on the votes of the Party of Whatever Works). They'd have 34.21% if they could grab the votes of the "Up yours!" Party as well as the PWW, but somehow that looks like an unlikely coalition. ;)

In any case, the combined parties of the left are far ahead. What we need to do now is make sure the UDCP is the foremost voice of the left. :D

GO COTP!? (http://www.networkingtheinternet.com/images/bush-swastika-bl.jpg)

In any case, the combined parties of the left are far ahead. What we need to do now is make sure the UDCP is the foremost voice of the left. :D
Indeed. Therefore...

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*Wonders how many of those votes are from clones*

*Is not suprised that the election founders party is in the lead*

*Will stage a military coup if he loses anyway*

Has anybody noticed that the UDCP fails to talk about the working classes in their manifesto... how very un-marxist of you

*Is not suprised that the election founders party is in the lead*

???

We're in fourth place!

And I would sincerely hope that no-one is cheating. Cheating in an election in a game would be truly, truly sad and pathetic.

Has anybody noticed that the UDCP fails to talk about the working classes in their manifesto... how very un-marxist of you

We focus on policies that will genuinely bring about equality and freedom. We believe our policies are more effective than the self-defeating policies of the RTP, even if the latter uses the "right" words.

I'd also like to suggest that, rather than bickering within the left camp, we focus on maintaining the overall left vote above 50%, as it is now.

Has anybody noticed that the UDCP fails to talk about the working classes in their manifesto... how very un-marxist of you
That's because I haven't gotten around to involving myself in the writing of the manifesto, like I said I would. Sorry... :(

We focus on policies that will genuinely bring about equality and freedom. We believe our policies are more effective than the self-defeating policies of the RTP, even if the latter uses the "right" words.

I'd also like to suggest that, rather than bickering within the left camp, we focus on maintaining the overall left vote above 50%, as it is now.

but you fail to mention this idea of a class conflict which is so key to marxism. he must be spinning in his grave that poor poor man

Really? Curses.

*Slander plan A ruined...*

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Mortals... I suggest you vote for the party of order... or terrible things may happen to you...

Hey, thanks a lot reaper!

Whatever... just make sure that cheque is payable to Death Enterprises Inc.

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Yay!!! I'm no longer the only one to have voted for Whatever Works!

A big :fluffle: to the other two people!

Vote for Whatever Works....because it works, seriously! :p

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VOTE AGAINST CLIQUE CULTURE! VOTE FOR THE UNDERDOG! VOTE RTP!

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DHomme, That is a fantastic comeback.

*Hands over cookie again*

DHomme, That is a fantastic comeback.

*Hands over cookie again*
Yes!
*distributes cookie equally among workers*

I like mine better though.

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/1438/fonzcopy0zz.jpg

http://img240.echo.cx/img240/2406/marxfonz2to.jpg
grrrrr :D

I like mine better though.

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/1438/fonzcopy0zz.jpg
*throws a stealth kamakazi exploding chicken at TIN*



Im gonna have to step it up alittle

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introducing...... international communist-man!

he fights crime and the oppressing capitalist pig-dogs!
he shoots the hell out of injustice and suppresssion and corruption of the Species Being!

and all while smoking a cool, cool Cuban cigar :cool:

see? communism must be great... just look how happy he is :D

This says it all. :p

he has red hair and is therefore the spawn of satan......

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/Princess_Leia1234/images1copy.jpg

When does voting end?

When does voting end?
it says above the poll


'This poll will close on 06-06-2005 at 7:46 AM'

he has red hair and is therefore the spawn of satan......

See? See the lies of the COTP? Boo!! :p

Hmm... He would be better without all those nasty weapons, though. Let's give him a lollipop instead. (http://img172.echo.cx/my.php?image=icm27gq.png) :D

it says above the poll


'This poll will close on 06-06-2005 at 7:46 AM'

Ah. Stupid question. :headbang:

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i don't smoke........

i don't smoke........

Do you drink or swear?

i don't smoke........
Im not good enough to change it

Do you drink or swear?
in moderation

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/Princess_Leia1234/gangsta-barbiecopy.jpg

and im out of pictures

Why has she got her right hand, uh, there? :p

Oh, and... proof that TInk's rightful place is in the UDCP (http://img113.echo.cx/my.php?image=tinkudcp6lq.png)? ;)

BREAKING NEWS!

Not only is Santa Claus a woman but........


FairyTink is Santa Claus!

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/472/fc2qp.jpg
so VOTE COTP!

BREAKING NEWS!

Not only is Santa Claus a woman but........

FairyTink is Santa Claus!

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/472/fc2qp.jpg
so VOTE COTP!

Woo! So what am I getting for Christmas? :D

Can we get back to discussing issues rather than the personal habits of Tink (and where here right hand happens to be at any given moment).

Judging by the last image though, Tink would actually be best off in country run by the classic liberals.

Freedom rules

Woo! So what am I getting for Christmas? :D
well that all depends now, i mean if i don't do well then i'll be too depressed to give out any pressies.........

Hey tink remember this?
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/1928/meagain22zl.jpg

Hey tink remember this?
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/1928/meagain22zl.jpg
of course i remember that RTP is a party of homicidal maniacs, how on earth could i forget?

With 101 votes now in, this is what the NSG Parliament would look like:

COTP: 3.7 seats => 4 seats
SDP: 4.95 seats => 5 seats
MOBRA: 0.99 seats => 1 seat
NSCL: 4.7 seats => 5 seats
MRR: 0.99 seats => 1 seat
Party of Order: 0.99 seats => 1 seat
PWW: 0.99 seats => 1 seat
RTP: 1.73 seats => 2 seats
UDCP: 3.47 seats => 3 seats
"Up yours!" Party: 2.48 seats => 2 seats

For a total of 25 seats.

As things stand, the UDCP and the "Up yours!" Party each miss out on an extra seat by 0.03% and 0.02% respectively.

I'm casting a blank vote. As far as stupid trends have gone, this one has gone way too far. This is just a stupid fad that nobody will remember two weeks from now, so lets forget it and move on.

Judging by the last image though, Tink would actually be best off in country run by the classic liberals.

Freedom rules

True freedom can only come about through communism. The "freedom" of inhumane exploitation is not freedom, nor is the "freedom" of being forced into a miserable job on starvation wages to satisfy the senseless greed of a master.

well that all depends now, i mean if i don't do well then i'll be too depressed to give out any pressies.........

May I point out that your party is currently in third place and scooping in the votes? ;)

May I point out that your party is currently in third place and scooping in the votes? ;)
yeah, but the better i do, the better christmas will be for everyone.....

yeah, but the better i do, the better christmas will be for everyone.....

Oh, well in that case...

VOTE COTP! TINK FOR QUEEN! :p

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of course i remember that RTP is a party of homicidal maniacs, how on earth could i forget?
hahaha *plays with knife*

True freedom can only come about through communism. The "freedom" of inhumane exploitation is not freedom, nor is the "freedom" of being forced into a miserable job on starvation wages to satisfy the senseless greed of a master.

Or the freedom to succeed, the freedom to have your own ideals and goals.

Communism demands a hive mentality, and I for one believe that the voter is cleverer than a bee or an ant. He or she does not need the state to say how to do everything, nor do they need the state to take all the results of their effort and distribute it to the lazy bums that do nothing.

Freedom, free to starve if I want to, and free to let the deadweight starve.

Freedom to be yourself, freedom to have your dreams, freedom to invest in the future or wallow in the present, your choice, take it.

hahaha *plays with knife*

Where did you get that from, theft is illegal you know.

*takes knife and returns to responsible adult*

Here I have a present.

*hands Dhomme a new janitorial mop*

Where did you get that from, theft is illegal you know.

*takes knife and returns to responsible adult*

Here I have a present.

*hands Dhomme a new janitorial mop*

Bollocks to this *sharpens mop end to pike alien born*

Or the freedom to succeed, the freedom to have your own ideals and goals.

The freedom to have your own ideals and goals is precisely what we're offering. As for the freedom to succeed, that depends how you define it. We offer everyone the freedom to succeed, in the sense that their work will be recognised as being of value, and praised by their fellow citizens when good. Success will be a genuine feeling of achievement, in the sense of doing the best you can in the field that interests you, and contributing to the community. But there will be no monetary success - simply because money will no longer exist. Success will no longer mean being better off than everyone else. Success will no longer be equated with selfishness.


Communism demands a hive mentality, and I for one believe that the voter is cleverer than a bee or an ant. He or she does not need the state to say how to do everything, nor do they need the state to take all the results of their effort and distribute it to the lazy bums that do nothing.

People in our communist society will be free to do exactly what they want, as long as they work in some way. And the state will not "redistribute" anything: the people will do that themselves, offering the product of their work freely for all, and taking in exchange what they need from the product of the work of others.


Freedom, free to starve if I want to, and free to let the deadweight starve.


Well, if that's freedom for you, you can keep your capitalist freedom. We don't want it. The right of any person to live is far more important than the right to make useless profit.


Freedom to be yourself, freedom to have your dreams, freedom to invest in the future or wallow in the present, your choice, take it.

That is exactly what we offer. Capitalism does not, because it is based on inequality, and you offer no helping hand to those in genuine need and distress, who were unfortunate enough to be born poor.

Hey, whaddaya know.. quasi-commies take the lead over pseudo-commies.. this is shaping up to be a close race. ;)

Hey, whaddaya know.. quasi-commies take the lead over pseudo-commies.. this is shaping up to be a close race. ;)
Do you wanna explain which is which?

Well, the combined parties of the left are at 53.28%. So, for the moment, it looks as if we're heading for a strongly socially-oriented majority. And I'm sure the UDCP will pick itself up and surge ahead soon. :p

The Classic Liberals are at 19.67%, but there's no-one really for them to form a ruling coalition with. They stand more or less alone representing ultra-capitalism. At best, they can hope to rope in the PWW and the "Up yours!" Party to reach 34.43%, but I strongly doubt the "Up yours!" Party would be interested in entering any kind of alliance. Not to mention the fact that, however many seats it wins, it only has one member, so it can only hope for one effective seat.

The freedom to have your own ideals and goals is precisely what we're offering. As for the freedom to succeed, that depends how you define it. We offer everyone the freedom to succeed, in the sense that their work will be recognised as being of value, and praised by their fellow citizens when good. Success will be a genuine feeling of achievement, in the sense of doing the best you can in the field that interests you, and contributing to the community. But there will be no monetary success - simply because money will no longer exist. Success will no longer mean being better off than everyone else. Success will no longer be equated with selfishness.
No you are not. You are taking away any possibility of choice in life. You are trying to control every aspect of the individual's existence, all under the protence of protecting them from hardship. You are removing the choice of failing for one.
How does anyone obtain any sense of accomplishment when everything is provided. Where is that internal human necessary fire, that passion for something when all you have to do, and all you arwe allowed to do is to support an enormous government machine that produces nothing and drains the resources of the nation. Being recognised as a grey faceless member of the masses is not the kind of recognition that makes us people, that gives meaning to aour lives.

People in our communist society will be free to do exactly what they want, as long as they work in some way. And the state will not "redistribute" anything: the people will do that themselves, offering the product of their work freely for all, and taking in exchange what they need from the product of the work of others.
So when a person decides not to redistribute the product of their effort to those who do nothing of value (doing exactly as they want as you put it) the state does not intervene? The system will last about five minutes if this is the case. Please people, at least vote for a party that has a minimum of common sense, I don't mind too much which one, but not this idealistic dream and practical nightmare.



Well, if that's freedom for you, you can keep your capitalist freedom. We don't want it. The right of any person to live is far more important than the right to make useless profit.
Exactly, that is what we offer. The possibility to live, not to merely exist. What the communist system does is to place existence and survival above living. A bad decision.



That is exactly what we offer. Capitalism does not, because it is based on inequality, and you offer no helping hand to those in genuine need and distress, who were unfortunate enough to be born poor.

Amazing how they have to even copy the ideas of their opponents, rather than express themselves. In our system those born poor have the possibility of succeeding and being proud of themselves. In your system no one ever has the possibility of doing anything worthwhile. Which one offers freedom? Let the voters decide.

Do not be swayed by lofty but empty promises of 'security' and 'free care'! Collectivism is slavery! Vote for the only party that truly allows you to be FREE to follow your dreams! Vote for the only party that allows YOU and YOUR family to enjoy the fruits of YOUR labor! Vote for the only party that respects YOUR INDIVIDUAL rights!

Vote NS Classic Liberals!

http://armageddonproject.com/ftpdrop/nsclassicliberal1.jpg


You got my vote! :)

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and all you arwe allowed to do is to support an enormous government machine that produces nothing and drains the resources of the nation.

Have you even read our manifesto? That is so far from the truth as to be laughable. You are not talking of what the UDCP offers, but of what you vaguely consider to be state-socialist policy.


Being recognised as a grey faceless member of the masses is not the kind of recognition that makes us people, that gives meaning to aour lives.


You're inventing nonsense. We aren't about that at all. Individuality, creativity, is far more highly valued in our system than in yours. We nurture it, encourage it, let people express their full creativity, their dreams, their goals. You do not, because you do not offer the means for people in the distress of poverty to do anything more than struggle for survival, and be forced into grinding slavery to satisfy the greed of rich masters while obtaining nothing but survival rations in return. Only with genuine equality can people be free enough to be truly themselves, pursue their goals and express their individual creativity.


So when a person decides not to redistribute the product of their effort to those who do nothing of value (doing exactly as they want as you put it) the state does not intervene?

Of course not. For one thing, everyone will work, in one way or another, so everyone will be contributing to society. There will be no grounds for anyone to withhold their products from anyone else; to do so would be a blatant violation of the latter's rights, and the rest of the community would insure he/she got what he/she needed.


What the communist system does is to place existence and survival above living. A bad decision.

On what exactly do you base that faulty assumption? See above.


In our system those born poor have the possibility of succeeding and being proud of themselves.

I strongly question that. Their whole time will be taken up in a hopeless struggle for mere survival. In our system, at least, they will not have that hurdle to overcome.


In your system no one ever has the possibility of doing anything worthwhile.

Again, on what do you base that faulty assumption? You can't attack our policies, so you're inventing things that aren't there. Everyone will be free to do exactly as they please - be it in terms of work, recreation, or whatever. In our society, everyone will be doing something worthwhile, both personally fulfilling and useful to society - the exact antithesis to what you are offering, where people are faced with poverty and misery, or groping for profit and exploiting others, in a way that is anything but "worthwhile": it is neither personally fulfilling (except in the grossest terms of monetary profit), nor useful to their fellow citizens.

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VOTE COTP! VOTE SANTA CLAUS!

Hard Work Service Freedom

Vote NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423046)

Whos the fourth lefty party?

Whos the fourth lefty party?

COTP is left-wing, but somewhat more mildly so than the UDCP, Socialists or RTP.

COTP is left-wing, but somewhat more mildly so than the UDCP, Socialists or RTP.
Yeah those democratic socialists are so crazyleftwing

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I voted Party of Whatever Works

IF YOU LIKE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE THEN YOU'LL LOVE ORTHODOX TROTSKYISM

Robert Heinlein > Leon Trotsky

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IF YOU LIKE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE THEN YOU'LL LOVE ORTHODOX TROTSKYISM

o.O That's who listening to at the moment.

Must be a sign.

o.O That's who listening to at the moment.

Must be a sign.
It is

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Vote for [insert anticapitalist party here] because a free market means you have to work for a living! Under [insert anticapitalist party here] you would be given everything you need despite the fact that everyone's smoking cannabis all day instead of doing the work the "fascists" would have given them under a different government.

Vote for [insert anticapitalist party here] because a free market means you have to work for a living! Under [insert anticapitalist party here] you would be given everything you need despite the fact that everyone's smoking cannabis all day instead of doing the work the "fascists" would have given them under a different government.
Haha! That's such good satire, be careful or somebody might mistake you for a member of the working classes, instead of the supporter of a system that relies on greed! hoho!haha!hehe!

Obviously, the Classic Liberal Party got my vote.

Obviously, the Classic Liberal Party got my vote.
:eek: but i'm your neice! :(

Haha! That's such good satire, be careful or somebody might mistake you for a member of the working classes, instead of the supporter of a system that relies on greed! hoho!haha!hehe!

:rolleyes: Oh, now that you've used buzzwords (or phrases) like "working class" and "greed" I can't help but vote for your party. You should try to get in a few like "evil", "nasty" and "mean".

:rolleyes: Oh, now that you've used buzzwords (or phrases) like "working class" and "greed" I can't help but vote for your party. You should try to get in a few like "evil", "nasty" and "mean".
Telling the truth is not buzzwords

Go Party of Order!

Telling the truth is not buzzwords

"Truth" is a buzzword.

Vote for [insert anticapitalist party here] because a free market means you have to work for a living!

In the communist society the UDCP offers, you do have to work for a living. But you can do interesting, fulfilling work - unlike in a capitalist system, where, if you're unlucky enough to be born poor, you will have to work, without being able to earn a decent living thereby... and where those able to make the most profit are precisely those who, instead of working, exploit workers and live off the work of others.


Under [insert anticapitalist party here] you would be given everything you need despite the fact that everyone's smoking cannabis all day instead of doing the work the "fascists" would have given them under a different government.

That's so silly it barely needs replying to... First, see above. Second, any drugs made legal would come with health education to ensure people act responsibly - unlike in the system you advocate, where drugs come only from the black market.

Once and for all, we aren't telling people they would not have to work under a communist system. We are saying that they would at last be able to do interesting, fulfilling work, and would be working for their well-being and that of the community, instead of working so as to be robbed of the fruits of their labour by their masters, and working to line the pockets of those same masters with ever more senseless profit.

"Truth" is a buzzword.
Sure, whatever


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Well I for one believe he has the best political argument in here :D

Obviously, the Classic Liberal Party got my vote.

Thank you Eichen, always a man of impeccable taste.

So what's the point of posting the same pictures, again and again?

So what's the point of posting the same pictures, again and again?

Welcome to polotics! :p

In the communist society the UDCP offers, you do have to work for a living. But you can do interesting, fulfilling work - unlike in a capitalist system, where, if you're unlucky enough to be born poor, you will have to work, without being able to earn a decent living thereby... and where those able to make the most profit are precisely those who, instead of working, exploit workers and live off the work of others.



That's so silly it barely needs replying to... First, see above. Second, any drugs made legal would come with health education to ensure people act responsibly - unlike in the system you advocate, where drugs come only from the black market.

Once and for all, we aren't telling people they would not have to work under a communist system. We are saying that they would at last be able to do interesting, fulfilling work, and would be working for their well-being and that of the community, instead of working so as to be robbed of the fruits of their labour by their masters, and working to line the pockets of those same masters with ever more senseless profit.

Yes, yes, drug-users are just uneducated. If you just educate people they will act responsibly. Why didn't anyone think of this before?

So what's the point of posting the same pictures, again and again?

It gets stuck in peoples brains

It gets stuck in peoples brains

Capitalism IS WRONG, but tricking people with advertising to vote for you party just makes sense. The contradiction there is just amusing.

Yes, yes, drug-users are just uneducated. If you just educate people they will act responsibly. Why didn't anyone think of this before?

That is absolutely not what I said. If you want to twist people's words, Sinuhue has started a nice thread specifically for that.

Capitalism IS WRONG, but tricking people with advertising to vote for you party just makes sense. The contradiction there is just amusing.

Yeah but I think the people who voted for us would have actually looked over our manifesto first seeing as they have to choose between several different left wing parties

Sure, whatever

Thank you.

Yeah but I think the people who voted for us would have actually looked over our manifesto first seeing as they have to choose between several different left wing parties
fragmentation is always a problem with the left wing :(
idealists always disagree with what the ideal is.


i just voted UDCP :)




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fragmentation is always a problem with the left wing :(
idealists always disagree with what the ideal is.


i just voted UDCP :)

*slap* WRONG

In the communist society the UDCP offers, you do have to work for a living. But you can do interesting, fulfilling work - unlike in a capitalist system, where, if you're unlucky enough to be born poor, you will have to work, without being able to earn a decent living thereby... and where those able to make the most profit are precisely those who, instead of working, exploit workers and live off the work of others.
So who cleans the streets, who clears the ditches. There is a reality failure in communist thinking. Nice ideals, no chance of ever working because there are tasks that need to be done, that no one will do without incentive. Or are you proposing a slavery system where you do not receive anything if you don't do what we tell you to.

That's so silly it barely needs replying to... First, see above. Second, any drugs made legal would come with health education to ensure people act responsibly - unlike in the system you advocate, where drugs come only from the black market.
In our system drugs are a product like any other, restricted to adults, as you have to be aware of what you are doing, but just that. If you want to be ignorant about them you can be. Why spoil the fun of the moral minority by educating them.

Once and for all, we aren't telling people they would not have to work under a communist system. We are saying that they would at last be able to do interesting, fulfilling work, and would be working for their well-being and that of the community, instead of working so as to be robbed of the fruits of their labour by their masters, and working to line the pockets of those same masters with ever more senseless profit.

As noted above. Who does do the uninteresting unfulfilling work that is essential for the society to function? No one so society collapses. Brilliant plan.

You have no cash, money, lucre whatever you care to call it. How do you handle imports, exports and tourists? Or are you proposing a completely closed society with no contact with the rest of the world. What happens if someone wants to go abroad on holiday? They can't. Nice freedom that one.

That is absolutely not what I said. If you want to twist people's words, Sinuhue has started a nice thread specifically for that.

Actually it is pretty much what you said. No twisting required. If you meant to say something else, then try again.

Yeah but I think the people who voted for us would have actually looked over our manifesto first seeing as they have to choose between several different left wing parties

Really? So you really think that this election is different from every other kind of election in the world ever?

So who cleans the streets, who clears the ditches. There is a reality failure in communist thinking. Nice ideals, no chance of ever working because there are tasks that need to be done, that no one will do without incentive. Or are you proposing a slavery system where you do not receive anything if you don't do what we tell you to.

As noted above. Who does do the uninteresting unfulfilling work that is essential for the society to function? No one so society collapses. Brilliant plane.
there's a rota run at local level for the essential jobs nobody wants to do - it is every citizen's duty and love to contribute to society, and the rota is a necessary part of this.
its in the manifesto and discussed more at length on the UDCP forum (http://udcp.11.forumer.com/index.php)


You have no cash, money, jucre whatever you care to call it. How do you handle imports, exports and tourists? Or are you proposing a completely closed society with no contact with the rest of the world. What happens if someone wants to go abroad on holiday? They can't. Nice freedom that one
imports and exports will be handled only at intergovernmental level, and trade will consist mostly of raw materials (where possible). the system will have to be bartering, or using money that the government has (which is kept out of general circulation)
again its in the manifesto
remember, we're not trying to achieve high economic growth as a main aim of society - the fact that this would be 'bad' to contemporary society doesn't apply in the same way

Really? So you really think that this election is different from every other kind of election in the world ever?
Of course

*slap* WRONG
huh? :confused:

huh? :confused:
he means you shouldda voted COTP

So who cleans the streets, who clears the ditches. There is a reality failure in communist thinking. Nice ideals, no chance of ever working because there are tasks that need to be done, that no one will do without incentive. Or are you proposing a slavery system where you do not receive anything if you don't do what we tell you to.

As noted above. Who does do the uninteresting unfulfilling work that is essential for the society to function? No one so society collapses. Brilliant plan.

Points adressed specifically in our manifesto. Since you're agressively implying we wouldn't have thought of it, my answer will simply be: Read our manifesto.


You have no cash, money, lucre whatever you care to call it. How do you handle imports, exports and tourists?


See our manifesto. Those points are adressed there.


Or are you proposing a completely closed society with no contact with the rest of the world. What happens if someone wants to go abroad on holiday? They can't. Nice freedom that one.

We haven't specified that one, but it can be addressed quite logically. With foreign trade being geered to exporting more than we import, and with masses of money in the coffers to start with, anyone who wants to go abroad can have money allocated to them by the government for that purpose. Not a problem.

Really? So you really think that this election is different from every other kind of election in the world ever?

It is in that the majority here are to some degree politcally literate. This idea however is being challenged by the personality cult voting for Tink.

Read the Manifestos and decide on that basis, this is the least you can do.

It is in that the majority here are to some degree politcally literate. This idea however is being challenged by the personality cult voting for Tink.

Read the Manifestos and decide on that basis, this is the least you can do.
you know some people might actually be voting for COTP's policies, we do have those :rolleyes:



I said we shouldda called the party something else

We haven't specified that one, but it can be addressed quite logically. With foreign trade being geered to exporting more than we import, and with masses of money in the coffers to start with, anyone who wants to go abroad can have money allocated to them by the government for that purpose. Not a problem.

Bye bye population. "Mass emigration sponsored by government results in national collapse": I can see the headline now, except of course they will be no journalists, printers, distributors or newsagents left as they are all in Bali or Tahiti or somewhere else.

fragmentation is always a problem with the left wing :(
idealists always disagree with what the ideal is.


Indeed. But at least, all together, we're ahead of the capitalists. People prefer socially-oriented policies.


i just voted UDCP :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/PureMetal/UDCPbanner.jpg

Woo! That brings us back up to 10%! :)

Had some time, played around:

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Going to make one for SD party soon

Bye bye population. "Mass emigration sponsored by government results in national collapse": I can see the headline now, except of course they will be no journalists, printers, distributors or newsagents left as they are all in Bali or Tahiti or somewhere else.

Would you actually care to formulate that as a reasoned argument in some way?

he means you shouldda voted COTP
but the UDCP are behind the COTP!

It is in that the majority here are to some degree politcally literate. This idea however is being challenged by the personality cult voting for Tink.

Read the Manifestos and decide on that basis, this is the least you can do.

I hope people are reading the manifestos! But you don't even seem to be aware that the COTP has got a manifesto.

but the UDCP are behind the COTP!
that's for a reason, they suck more :p