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This is what pisses people like Whiskeasy off about your description of the Death Guard. Describe their flaws, not just their strengths!
Also, an army that 'doesn't know the concept of peace or mercy' is an army that doesn't take prisoners, which inspires desperation more often than fear. Armies that take prisoners do better than armies that don't - for instance, German armies that never would've surrendered against the Soviets surrendered easily to the Western Allies, even though they were up against less troops in the West than in the East, which helps explain the sheer speed of the Western advance (less than one year from landing in France to arrival at the Elbe) when compared to the Eastern advance.
Plus, only some commanders will be 'first-rate' - realistically, there's only so much that can be done to improve the skills of commanders, so you're likely to have a good number of lousy leaders.

Finally, RP should be about a good story, not necessarily about 'winning.' In other words, sometimes, for the sake of the story, 'good guys' win when they shouldn't - enemy commanders grow overconfident, or the enemy runs out of ammo, or the troops who should've been blocking friendly reinforcements never get the order.

Sorry for the rant...

(I never said they didn't take prisoners now did I. I just said they don't understand peace or mercy. They understand surrender. And it is entirely possible to make your commanders better, most leaders have a certain quality.

What I was saying is that death guard get such a reputation for being brutal winners that the army will usually retreat or surrender immediately. Death guard give the enemy a chance to surrender and after that.....well it isn't pretty.

Good and Bad are again relative to one another. People naturally find fault with the aggressor, the expansionist, or the extremist. But when you are part of that nation that is aggressing, expanding, or believes in something you see yourself as good. Very few people can see themselves as being bad or wrong. If you ask Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, Jack the Ripper or anyone who has done a 'crime' if what they did was wrong they will surely say no.

And I never did say death guard are the win factor I'm just saying Death guard are just as highly trained even if there were only 100 of them. And if you had once rped combat with them you would most likely have a great time. Talk to DaWoad, Void Templar, Soviet System, Blackhelm, Tocrowkia, Ryanbrum, anyone for that matter and they would say,"The death guard are cool."


Also brutality is fun to RP at least for me *evil glares*

(Also why the hell would I talk about faults. Defense you should no better than anyone that when you try and sell something you show its strengths. You don't go and say well this plane is made from a highly expensive material, the engine sometimes breaks down in midair, the gun often jams, and stray bullets could defeat it should it hit anywhere near the wings.

You say the plane is made from one of a kind material, the engine provides great amount of power, the guns are extremely powerful, and it has very light armor to increase speed.

Talk about not being able to do business.)

Brutality = won't take prisoners, or at least won't treat them well. Think of World War II Japan, or the Eastern Front. Once it became clear that the Japanese, or Nazis, or Soviets treated Allied/Soviet/Nazi prisoners horribly, fewer and fewer surrendered to them, and that made their wars vicious. An army with a reputation for brutality has a reputation for brutality, which has its downside. Have your opponents portray portray resistance, portray guerrillas and partisans and people who refuse to surrender, not merely scared people running from the enemy.

Quality is relative. Sure, there were a number of rather good German generals - but there were also many who were horrible, but who you don't really hear about (largely because their role was minor). Plus, even good generals make mistakes.

That's not the most important part. This is: Focus on telling a good story, not just on portraying the all-powerful Death Guard in greater and greater detail! Don't ramble on and on about their skill; show it (and show their flaws, too, because flaws are interesting)!

Again, sorry for the rant.

Addendum: You describe faults because they're more interesting. I knowingly sell flawed weapons, from my battleships (useless, and the front turret gets flooded) to my minehunter (overpriced, and using a novelty, but ineffective, production technique for its own sake) to my tanks (until the T-11 came along, all my tanks were absurdly overpriced tanks that would dominate the battlefield of 1997, but aren't so good for NS). I don't ICly talk of their flaws when advertising them, but I try to mention them OOCly, and elsewhere. In the Vertana War RP, I've already described my rifle as looking like "a toy," and forced the representative of my company trying to convince a militia captain to accept the rifle to train a conscript to out-shoot another conscript - which is more interesting than what Gibberish America did with it; he just had it shoot through the target with ease.
I'm here to tell stories - stories of a group of companies, very powerful in their own territory, attempting to do what they can in a much larger world, even as they screw up. I'm not here just to sell weapons; I'm here to write about the struggles the companies have with selling their weapons, with building them (I definitely plan to RP a vicious strike, perhaps even an attempt at revolution), with getting purchasers' armies to accept them and use them right.

O and I think
-It's just a flesh wound,Diplomacy(mt,closed GWO-Stok War)
Status: Being Diplomatic
Nations Involved
Anagonia(Neutral), Chazakain, possibly others

is also now closed. Those we kind of just stopped posting after fighte4u rep left and I kind of wanted to continue on erh...

actually I think all but Kot-Chazakain and -Stoklo-GWO War, Theater: Stoklomolvi (Semi-Open) are now closed.

For future reference for my storefront, advisement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14354681&postcount=118)

The percentile of people physically and intellectually gifted enough to have the chance of joining the ranks of Blackguards isn't large at all(think someone who is both a MENSA member and a Olympic champion of gymnastics, for example). Training can only get a person so far, specially for an eugenically selected special force of the special forces. Then latent potentialities are what matter. And the Blackguards aren't front line troops at all. In fact, if one of their operations becomes known, then something went terribly wrong, as this (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13794954&postcount=5) is a typical example of their usual operations.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3143

"Blackguards are a force specialized in offensive maneuvers and even more in infiltration, sabotage and intelligence gathering. According to some conspiracy "theory" websites, a mysterious secret organization inside the Blackguards called Section 51 exists, formed only by the "best of the best of the best", which is a Black Ops force specialized in false-flag operations, coup d'etats and staging major conspiracies against foreign governments."

Now I should let the thread runs it course before it derails.

(Read above. Read above the above. As I said talk to anyone I rp with. If I said I moved the death guard in and now I win, that wouldn't be fun. Should you actually read how I rp with them maybe you might actually see HOW I RP WITH THEM. And not how I talk about them. I am a fan of the death guard. I like them a lot.

The idea of describing just how vicious a human can be to another human turns me on!!![JK]

But no if you should see
How I rp
You might realize that I don't rp them as G-ds.

Read any of my posts where I actually use the death guard for combat purposes and you will go. "AHH I SEE!!! He uses them quite well" Instead of going,"OH MY MEN IN ARMOR RUN!!!! THEY ARE LIKE G-DS BUT IN ARMOR. RUN THEY HAVE GUNS. THEY MUST BE QUITE UNREAL. OH MY THEY ARE CHARGING THAT ENEMY WITH THE MACHINE GUN IN ORDER TO SERVE AS A SUICIDAL DIVERSION SO THAT OTHER DEATH GUARD CAN PLANT C4 ON THAT BUNKER AND OPEN IN UP TO DESTROY THE ENEMY GENERAL AND END THE BATTLE THEY MUST BE FANATICAL AND THAT CAN'T BE REAL."

I rp with the death guard like you would with conventional. Before you bash maybe you should actually find out. Because if I described the features of the venus flytrap, michael jackson, the peacock, or any other type of thing that seems a little bit unrealistic then you would immediately go "that can't exist." But if you actually saw it you would say OH I SEE.

AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE.

The percentile of people physically and intellectually gifted enough to have the chance of joining the ranks of Blackguards isn't large at all. Training can only get a person so far, specially for an eugenically selected special force of the special forces. Then latent potentialities are what matter. And the Blackguards aren't front line troops at all. In fact, if one of their operations becomes known, then something went terribly wrong, as this (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13794954&postcount=5) is a typical example of their usual operations.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3143

"Blackguards are a force specialized in offensive maneuvers and even more in infiltration, sabotage and intelligence gathering. According to some conspiracy "theory" websites, a mysterious secret organization inside the Blackguards called Section 51 exists, formed only by the "best of the best of the best", which is a Black Ops force specialized in false-flag operations, coup d'etats and staging major conspiracies against foreign governments."

Now I should let the thread runs it course before it derails.

(Thats okay, thats the difference between the overall "death guard" and special forces. The term death guard can be applied to anyone from the house of hadii who serve as a soldier. Death guard is the overall term. Then the death guard are broken down into various branchs. The one most fitting for what your blackguards do are the perturbo-guard(Disruptor Guard) they are just normal death guard who infiltrate a country and well....disrupt.)

This is what pisses people like Whiskeasy off about your description of the Death Guard. Describe their flaws, not just their strengths!
Also, an army that 'doesn't know the concept of peace or mercy' is an army that doesn't take prisoners, which inspires desperation more often than fear. Armies that take prisoners do better than armies that don't - for instance, German armies that never would've surrendered against the Soviets surrendered easily to the Western Allies, even though they were up against less troops in the West than in the East, which helps explain the sheer speed of the Western advance (less than one year from landing in France to arrival at the Elbe) when compared to the Eastern advance.
Plus, only some commanders will be 'first-rate' - realistically, there's only so much that can be done to improve the skills of commanders, so you're likely to have a good number of lousy leaders.
Also, your emperor had to sign away his country as a protectorate, plus, your Death Guard is split. So you should be suffering from unexpectedly lowered morale? There's a very good reason why so many Japanese officers tried to commit suicide when the Emperor surrendered.

Finally, RP should be about a good story, not necessarily about 'winning.' In other words, sometimes, for the sake of the story, 'good guys' win when they shouldn't - enemy commanders grow overconfident, or the enemy runs out of ammo, or the troops who should've been blocking friendly reinforcements never get the order.

Sorry for the rant...

Wheee time for me to wade right on in here. First off Training matters . . .ALOT For examples of this check out the penisular war in eighteen twelve . . .or look into British naval superiority or at the American Civil War or, even better, at any one of a thousand different battles where Inferior but much more highly trained troops defeated superior ones.
Ralk is now spending his entire Millitary Budget on training and equipping this one force that means its training levels are gonna be higher than anything most of us can field so right there, that would make it a force to be reckond with.

Second point, Morale. Morale is Paramount in any battle. If your troops can and will stand even in the face of horrendous losses then, generally speaking, they will be a force to be afraid of. There are both winners and losers here (Fanatical troops have a tendency to get themselves slaughtered because they wont surrender) but the upshot is Excellent Training and high morale together are huge combat multipliers. The way Ralk. Rps these guys is as a Samurai class. Fanatically behind their emperor, and rather die than betray him. The Ritual suicides (and attempted suicides) at the emperors death after world war two only prove this testimony. This means that unless and until they lose faith in their emperor minor things like battle losses are not going to lower troop morale . . .if anything it'll be the opposite. (Another example would be Islmic suicde bombers . . .those bombings on't lower morale they inc . .same idea here).

Third, Flaws. The most interesting part of Rp'ing is attempting to find chinks in your opponents description. Having them outright state flaws is just boring but trying to find a way to turn strengths against a force is what makes RP'ing interesting. Playing against the Death Guard is FUN just for this reason.

Fourth, Command. Ralks been almost constantly at war. He's "unbelievably militaristic" the upshot though? As the wars role out the commanders that are bad get weeded out. His Generals, commanders and even NCOs are going to be better simply because they've fought in real wars where mistakes get you killed.

Fifth, Brutality. Ralk is using fear as a primary weapon. Sure if he corners some of your troops they will fight to the last but at the same time it makes your troops fearful of even going up against his forces. So your best trained troops will do well as they will be confident that they can win and will only fight harder if confronted but anything below spec. ops. levels are not going to do so hot as they will have heard of the atrocities and of the fact that the Deathguards win a lot and will thus be afraid before the battle even begins. Again you can use this to make an RP more interesting and again this is why I enjoy fighting against Deathguards.

Last, I promise! There is nothing in Ralks description that is god-modish and the reason I like Rp'ing against his Deathguards is that they provide a unique challenge.

Thank you so much DC for doing what I couldn't without flaming. Thank you again.

lol Whisk . . .I dunno what your problem is with Ralk but you really do need to tune in here and realize that multiple nations with high levels of experience have nothing against Ralkovia's DeathGuards.

And multiple nations with high levels of experience mock the Death Guards. I've seen it.

Appealing to authority doesn't get you anywhere. Especially when said authority doesn't even actually exist.

Edit: Ralk, for the love of God, make a factbook. All the things you've told me and that I've read about the Death Guard make no sense. You changed them vastly from the last time we actually talked about them. Please write everything in one place so we can all reference?

they still have nothing on how KC troops are

And multiple nations with high levels of experience mock the Death Guards. I've seen it.

Appealing to authority doesn't get you anywhere. Especially when said authority doesn't even actually exist.

1)Prove it.
2)Wha??? Appealing to authority??? I was just pointing out that a bunch of us who have been around a while think that the Deathguards are entirely reasonable. Now if you can refute any point of mine feel free to do so.

they still have nothing on how kc troops are

kc?

1)Prove it.
2)Wha??? Appealing to authority??? I was just pointing out that a bunch of us who have been around a while think that the Deathguards are entirely reasonable. Now if you can refute any point of mine feel free to do so.

1) Prove that some people dislike them? Well, let's see ... Defense Corporations does. Oh, that was easy. I could give you other nations but I'm not going to put their names out because it's quite obvious that if they don't do it themselves, they'd rather do it in private.

2) Appealing to authority is saying "hey, they've been around awhile, they must be right!" And that's exactly what you were doing. You were insinuating that Whisk was wrong because he's newer.

(Also realizing that probably the most futuristic thing about the death guard would be their exoskeleton. And seeing as exoskeletons are actually quite useless in real combat. I have introduced new armor. I am officially modeling my death guards appearance after the Helghast. DAMN THEY LOOK GOOD.

Uh Santheres no no he wasn't. He was saying that plenty of veteran players, those who should be the most suspicious of anything new, already agree with the death guard being how they are.


And yes you mean all of ODECON. You can make fun of death guard all you want. But the issue here is that they are real and they can be RPed by me. Instead of people going NAH NAH NAH NAH death guard aren't real NAH NAH NAH.)

kc?

The Kraven Corporation

here read the old fact book and see how the troops are born
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453704

1) Prove that some people dislike them? Well, let's see ... Defense Corporations does. Oh, that was easy. I could give you other nations but I'm not going to put their names out because it's quite obvious that if they don't do it themselves, they'd rather do it in private.

2) Appealing to authority is saying "hey, they've been around awhile, they must be right!" And that's exactly what you were doing. You were insinuating that Whisk was wrong because he's newer.
1). . .you said more experienced. . . nothing against ND but he's been posting all of two weeks . . . And the second part of that is. .. .kinda sad if its true

2)lol no I was saying I'm right cause I've been around longer. (joke)
Ok I'm not claiming that me or Ralk or anyone else is "right" cause they've been around longer. I was suggesting (i don't insinuate! :P) that if some people with experience Rp'ing in II Don't have a problem with the deathguards then it might be that their actually fine to Rp againsty or at least worth a second look.

I note that you too are newer sir and therefore wrong in everything you say HAHA! the argument is mine *drives away* (again joke)

(Also I agree I need to make a factbook with them but I get so freaking bored. Its wierd. But I enjoy having that hint of adaptibility.)

Uh Santheres no no he wasn't. He was saying that plenty of veteran players, those who should be the most suspicious of anything new, already agree with the death guard being how they are.)

It doesn't matter what veteran players think unless you assume that they naturally know more and are better. That's appealing to authority. If you're not suggesting that veterans are naturally better and smarter, then there is no reason to pull them into anything, because it's not an argument at all for why we shouldn't have a problem with them.

The Kraven Corporation

here read the old fact book and see how the troops are born
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453704

Sweet! ty Isa.

It doesn't matter what veteran players think unless you assume that they naturally know more and are better. That's appealing to authority. If you're not suggesting that veterans are naturally better and smarter, then there is no reason to pull them into anything, because it's not an argument at all for why we shouldn't have a problem with them.

Care to explain exactly why you do have a problem with this?

Sweet! ty Isa.

one nation you can call Evil

one nation you can call Evil

Jeez these guys are downright scary!

(Also I agree I need to make a factbook with them but I get so freaking bored. Its wierd. But I enjoy having that hint of adaptibility.)

You can change factbooks, though. It's really no different. It would simply make it easier for the rest of us. For example, right now, I'm ignoring the existence of the Death Guard just because I have no idea what they are actually like now since I'm having difficulty following all the changes you're making and/or all the information you've recently divulged. I wouldn't ignore them if I had better information.

You put all this information in threads. It shouldn't be any different to transfer it over to factbook thread or wikipage.

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DaWoad: Explain what you mean by "this"?

Edit: Also, by the way, I'm pretty sure DC had been active on another account awhile back; I could be confusing him with someone else, though.

If you had actually read santhere you would have seen that I am arguing that I use death guard APPROPRIATELY and not how you guys assume. As I cited, DaWoad has RPed.....with.....the......death.....guard....and if he has no problems with it....and no one who has RPed with the death guard have had problems with them......then that must mean....That I must!!!!....OOH everbody we are getting to the conclusion now, this will definitely rock are socks off......RO....oh we're getting to the end of the sentence now.....WITH.....THEM.....QUITE....WELL...AND NOT G-DMOD

Everybody deserves an round of hands. Pat yourselves on the back. I know this is a big concept. And it was quite hard to understand but you guys did it. Congratulations!!!!!![/Sarcasm]

Edit: Also, by the way, I'm pretty sure DC had been active on another account awhile back; I could be confusing him with someone else, though.


Yeah you're right santheres. Also ANNI we are not flaming each other despite the sarcasm of my previous post. I just don't get whats hard to understand about the death guard.

DaWoad: Explain what you mean by "this"?
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Also experience in Forum does matter somewhat in an issue like this., Not the new people are always wrong or anything but Someone who has done more Rp'ing is gonna be more experienced in what is and is not admissable while keeping an RP fun. For example take the difference between you and someone who's never posted here before. You know that mass ICBM Spamming and use of ridiculous numbers of WMDs is inadmissible cause it ruins an RP. New posters usually don't pick up on this. Your also gonna have a better idea of what works and what doesn't compared to a new poster. This Carries on Upwards. ISA has a much better Idea than I do of what is reasonable and what'll work in an RP for example. So when I say that a bunch of experienced players have no problem with it. Its like you telling someone who's completely new that a bunch of experienced players have no Issue with ABM systems or point defenses.

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Also experience in Forum does matter somewhat in an issue like this., Not the new people are always wrong or anything but Someone who has done more Rp'ing is gonna be more experienced in what is and is not admissable while keeping an RP fun. For example take the difference between you and someone who's never posted here before. You know that mass ICBM Spamming and use of ridiculous numbers of WMDs is inadmissible cause it ruins an RP. New posters usually don't pick up on this. Your also gonna have a better idea of what works and what doesn't compared to a new poster. This Carries on Upwards. ISA has a much better Idea than I do of what is reasonable and what'll work in an RP for example. So when I say that a bunch of experienced players have no problem with it. Its like you telling someone who's completely new that a bunch of experienced players have no Issue with ABM systems or point defenses.

You do, of course, realize that NS is not the only RP site on the internet? Experience on this particular site doesn't, in fact, matter. I've seen old RPers here who still can't write (or RP) for crap despite being here for two or three, or even six years.

As for Death Guard, my problem is that the posts about them become, essentially, "death guard scare everyone and have no fear and are the best of the best and you should be scared and here's why." I'd be willing to RP with Death Guard if I could say "Well, no one in Santheres is scared, because the Guard die just as easily." I have a military culture, too, but that last time I talked to Ralk about that, I was treated to the reasons why I suck and the Guard rocks.

No offense, Ralk -- that is what you did, though.

Besides, there's still the question of how, if Ralkovia spends so much on the DG, they can afford the navy and airforce, and all the defenses that they do.

You do, of course, realize that NS is not the only RP site on the internet? Experience on this particular site doesn't, in fact, matter. I've seen old RPers here who still can't write (or RP) for crap despite being here for two or three, or even six years.

As for Death Guard, my problem is that my eyes glaze over the posts about them because they become, essentially, "death guard have scare everyone and have no fear and are the best of the best and you should be scared and here's why." I'd be willing to RP with Death Guard if I could say "Well, no one in Santheres is scared, because the Guard die just as easily." I have a military culture, too, but that last time I talked to Ralk about that, I was treated to the reasons why I suck and the Guard rocks.

No offense, Ralk -- that is what you did, though.

Besides, there's still the question of how, if Ralkovia spends so much on the DG, they can afford the navy and airforce, and all the defenses that they do.
1) No its not the only RP but it has its own unique set of rules that are pretty much NSG alone so again experience tells as to what is and is not acceptable.

2)true, exceptions prove the rule, most of the time more experienced RP'ers are more comfortable than less so ones not always . . .just most of the time (some of that being that No-body plays with the people who can't play so they have lower post counts.

3)Quote me one in Context 'cause I've Rp'd with Ralk quite a bit and never had him do that. Just don't try and make your regular forces entirely unafraid of him after he rampages through one of your cities cause at that point YOUR god-modding.

4)Everyone here has a warrior culture (essentially everyone that is Griffencrest/Blackhelm play more corporate and I'm sure others do as well but) we all have war based civs cause we all want to RP war. Ralk has specifically built up this one aspect of his Nation to be its defining point. Mine's my navy I have no Idea what your is but you'd have to be god-modding to just treat them like regular forces. (Read my earlier post about why)

Wheee time for me to wade right on in here. First off Training matters . . .ALOT For examples of this check out the penisular war in eighteen twelve . . .or look into British naval superiority or at the American Civil War or, even better, at any one of a thousand different battles where Inferior but much more highly trained troops defeated superior ones.
Ralk is now spending his entire Millitary Budget on training and equipping this one force that means its training levels are gonna be higher than anything most of us can field so right there, that would make it a force to be reckond with.

Second point, Morale. Morale is Paramount in any battle. If your troops can and will stand even in the face of horrendous losses then, generally speaking, they will be a force to be afraid of. There are both winners and losers here (Fanatical troops have a tendency to get themselves slaughtered because they wont surrender) but the upshot is Excellent Training and high morale together are huge combat multipliers. The way Ralk. Rps these guys is as a Samurai class. Fanatically behind their emperor, and rather die than betray him. The Ritual suicides (and attempted suicides) at the emperors death after world war two only prove this testimony. This means that unless and until they lose faith in their emperor minor things like battle losses are not going to lower troop morale . . .if anything it'll be the opposite. (Another example would be Islmic suicde bombers . . .those bombings on't lower morale they inc . .same idea here).

Third, Flaws. The most interesting part of Rp'ing is attempting to find chinks in your opponents description. Having them outright state flaws is just boring but trying to find a way to turn strengths against a force is what makes RP'ing interesting. Playing against the Death Guard is FUN just for this reason.

Fourth, Command. Ralks been almost constantly at war. He's "unbelievably militaristic" the upshot though? As the wars role out the commanders that are bad get weeded out. His Generals, commanders and even NCOs are going to be better simply because they've fought in real wars where mistakes get you killed.

Fifth, Brutality. Ralk is using fear as a primary weapon. Sure if he corners some of your troops they will fight to the last but at the same time it makes your troops fearful of even going up against his forces. So your best trained troops will do well as they will be confident that they can win and will only fight harder if confronted but anything below spec. ops. levels are not going to do so hot as they will have heard of the atrocities and of the fact that the Deathguards win a lot and will thus be afraid before the battle even begins. Again you can use this to make an RP more interesting and again this is why I enjoy fighting against Deathguards.

Last, I promise! There is nothing in Ralks description that is god-modish and the reason I like Rp'ing against his Deathguards is that they provide a unique challenge.

Why the Deathguard are more than fine in my books^

(As I said before I have multiple investors who would like to see the death guard crush the enemy. Several alliances I have joined, the death guard are part of their defense force and are payed for. It would be ludicrous for one nation to spend trillions of dollars on a single entity. Thats why I pretty much sold them out. Hell even the corporation keep off, donates a few million dollars.

Death guard aren't totally without mercy in the fact that they do take prisoners...sometimes after the battle however these prisoners are turned over to government to work as slaves. Slaves are sold to corporations and make money. Death guard can be described as a multi-national defense force. Plus all those little protectorates and colonies I own add up. I also safe LOTS of money by investing in griffincrest and using their gas(Griffincrest: Put a lion in your tank)

The air force is manned by the death guard and my navy also receives the same treatment. I also when buying long term naval ships I make contracts describing upkeep etc.

I am not an idiot.

DAMN YOU WOAD
NO COOKIES FOR YOU
DON'T REVEAL MY WEAKNESSES

Also my multiple defenses are again paid for in most part by corporations etc. When you have a country that enslaves huge amounts of people you sort of set up manufacturing and pay them lots o cash.

OOC posts, DW, not IC. And for that, go back a page.

The difference between my nation and a majority of others is that my factbook goes above and beyond what other people do, and I go into detail (though, admittedly, it is currently not so detailed due to overhaul) about how we operate, why, when, with what, etc. Other people just make random claims; I have a set and RPed background that influences the entire way every single character and event has unfolded in the RPs I've touched. Which puts me on the same level as Ralk there, except I'm bigger, richer, and I make use of a combined arms approach.

But none of that matters. It still comes down to why do I dislike them? Because when I discussed them with Ralk, I was shot down with "Well, mine are better, anyway." I don't want to RP when it seems someone only cares about winning, which is what that was.

When? Where did I say that?

If I did was it on the ODECON cbox because you guys really really really were assholes I could not post without 10 different replies being in the same second and then 10 more questions. So I did lie in some places just to get you guys to STFU for a few seconds.

Deathguard are good troops, I'll happily give that. But look outside the box. Neither tanks, artillery, attack helicopters or naval gunfire support give a snot about that point, and will kill them regardless.

I was being an asshole? I was asking civil questions. And there were two other people asking the same questions. The other two, maybe, were assholes, but you could have focused on my questions and not theirs. And even then, when they stopped, you kept talking to me for some time afterward and you still did that.

That doesn't make it my fault that you were an ass about them, ruining any chance of my thinking you were worth RPing with.

Yes Lyras and I rp it that way. A tank is a tank and a death guard is infantry no amount of sheer awesomeness and scaryness can defeat that. Except if that death guard has anti-tank weaponry....or is in an airplane.

I was being an asshole? I was asking civil questions. And there were two other people asking the same questions. The other two, maybe, were assholes, but you could have focused on my questions and not theirs. And even then, when they stopped, you kept talking to me for some time afterward and you still did that.

Really what did I say? I really don't remember what I said. I sort of stuck my head in a beehive and I got barraged I am sorry if I made your special soldiers feel less or anything like that. Its just that I was getting pissed off at that moment and was ready to kill someone. You guys were really really really annoying.

OOC posts, DW, not IC. And for that, go back a page.

The difference between my nation and a majority of others is that my factbook goes above and beyond what other people do, and I go into detail (though, admittedly, it is currently not so detailed due to overhaul) about how we operate, why, when, with what, etc. Other people just make random claims; I have a set and RPed background that influences the entire way every single character and event has unfolded in the RPs I've touched. Which puts me on the same level as Ralk there, except I'm bigger, richer, and I make use of a combined arms approach.

But none of that matters. It still comes down to why do I dislike them? Because when I discussed them with Ralk, I was shot down with "Well, mine are better, anyway." I don't want to RP when it seems someone only cares about winning, which is what that was.
1)Saw em .. .read em . . .not sure you did though. He's not claiming he has an unbeatable force, Just that his Deathguards are above and beyond regular forces and they have their own weaknesses because of that (again read what I posted above). More importantly if its just OOC whats the problem? OOC is just talk IC is action.

2)Bigger . . . yes. richer . . . yes. lower military budget . . . yes.

3)I've seen your factbook and thats great and all and you should check out mine if you want an exhaustive study in why factbooks are a pain. And if your thing is that you use combined arms then great . . .again just don't pretend your regular forces can match Ralk's deatguards or your God-Modding.

4) So your refusing to believe in them essentially because Ralks baseline troops are better than yours? cause thats what I'm getting out of this. btw. your military budget is 1/3 of MINE and Ralks more militaristic than me and spends nearly his whole budget on his deathguards. You . . . simply . . .cannot . . .afford . . .to . . .match . . .them.

http://nstracker.org/index.php?nation=dawoad&nation2=Santheres&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=

When? Where did I say that?

If I did was it on the ODECON cbox because you guys really really really were assholes I could not post without 10 different replies being in the same second and then 10 more questions. So I did lie in some places just to get you guys to STFU for a few seconds.

Hmph. I don't appreciate being called an asshole just because I asked questions about how your nation worked. They weren't confrontational questions, just questions.

Actually I will give up the death guard if it makes everybody happy

Really what did I say? I really don't remember what I said. I sort of stuck my head in a beehive and I got barraged I am sorry if I made your special soldiers feel less or anything like that. Its just that I was getting pissed off at that moment and was ready to kill someone. You guys were really really really annoying.

So were you. Stop the attacks and sarcasm now, kplzthx.

As I recall, the Death Guard are immune to pain, fear, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, and bullets that aren't armor-piercing. They're fast, they don't miss, and they are always successful despite their primary tactic being the zerg rush. And their armor is welded to their skin, but they have flaps so they can get rid of bodily waste.

I'd have an issue with Death Guard commanders being better fighters, because that's clearly an RPG trope that has no bearing on reality, but if half of NS is doing it, you might as well, too.

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DW: Lower military budget: no. Maybe you should consult the factbook? I don't use the calculators to do anything other than give me a GDP per capita. And even that, I haven't done at all recently, so I don't know what it gives me. My NS nation has departed from my RPed II nation. It's actually quite common for veterans not to use the calculators.

Actually I will give up the death guard if it makes everybody happy

Aw no don't do that . . .then u'd be normal and boring lol

Instead I shall replace them with a giant flying narwhal with a castle strapped to his back. Also the Narwhal's horn shall in fact be a laser capable of turning people into baby narwhal's or vaporizing entire cities. He will shout SHOOP DA WOOP before firing giving everyone warning.

Furthermore said narwhal's will be able to break the sound barrier. The narwhal will feed upon mountains. That is why they will live in Leistung.

Lastly, on top of the castle spire will be a small shark and upon that shark will be a small motor boat. The sharks upper fin will be the steering mechanism for the entire Narwhal/castle/laser/shark super weapon.

Additional models of the weapon shall include Chester Cheetah or Michael Jackson.

THE EMPEROR DEMANDS IT

So were you. Stop the attacks and sarcasm now, kplzthx.

As I recall, the Death Guard are immune to pain, fear, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, and bullets that aren't armor-piercing. They're fast, they don't miss, and they are always successful despite their primary tactic being the zerg rush. And their armor is welded to their skin, but they have flaps so they can get rid of bodily waste.

I'd have an issue with Death Guard commanders being better fighters, because that's clearly an RPG trope that has no bearing on reality, but if half of NS is doing it, you might as well, too.

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DW: Lower military budget: no. Maybe you should consult the factbook? I don't use the calculators to do anything other than give me a GDP per capita. And even that, I haven't done at all. My NS nation has departed from my RPed II nation. It's actually quite common for veterans not to use the calculators.
1) kekekekekekek.

2)So your complaining cause Deathguards are similar to tanks?

3)lol this is true (see the 2 000+ posts). But Calcs are always good for a general estimate. and I consulted your factbook and am not having this argument in that it will go no where but anyone can write anything in a factbook. Hell i could write that my nation Has a population of 10 trillion and makes me entirely invulnerable. . .which is why I kinda do like calculators.

Instead I shall replace them with a giant flying narwhal with a castle strapped to his back. Also the Narwhal's horn shall in fact be a laser capable of turning people into baby narwhal's or vaporizing entire cities. He will shout SHOOP DA WOOP before firing giving everyone warning.

Furthermore said narwhal's will be able to break the sound barrier. The narwhal will feed upon mountains. That is why they will live in Leistung.

Lastly, on top of the castle spire will be a small shark and upon that shark will be a small motor boat. The sharks upper fin will be the steering mechanism for the entire Narwhal/castle/laser/shark super weapon.

Additional models of the weapon shall include Chester Cheetah or Michael Jackson.

THE EMPEROR DEMANDS IT
lol I like it!

2)So your complaining cause Deathguards are similar to tanks?

Seriously, Santh, what's your problem? Tanks exist, people exist, so it's entirely feasible. There's no reason you can't combine them.

(see the 2 000+ posts)

A detailed poster is not a n00b. Just because you post more OOCly and have shorter IC posts does not make you any smarter of a person, nor does it make you any more of a "veteran." Now please, let's take this discussion elsewhere.

So were you. Stop the attacks and sarcasm now, kplzthx.

As I recall, the Death Guard are immune to pain, fear, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, and bullets that aren't armor-piercing. They're fast, they don't miss, and they are always successful despite their primary tactic being the zerg rush. And their armor is welded to their skin, but they have flaps so they can get rid of bodily waste.

I'd have an issue with Death Guard commanders being better fighters, because that's clearly an RPG trope that has no bearing on reality, but if half of NS is doing it, you might as well, too.

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DW: Lower military budget: no. Maybe you should consult the factbook? I don't use the calculators to do anything other than give me a GDP per capita. And even that, I haven't done at all recently, so I don't know what it gives me. My NS nation has departed from my RPed II nation. It's actually quite common for veterans not to use the calculators.
Santh we clearly are not gonna agree on this so suffice it to say that I haven't found any of your arguments against the Deathguards convincing, you haven't responded to any of mine for them and you've continually deflected the argument in other directions including Ralks OOC posts (essentially AD-Hominem.) I would suggest you try actually Rp'ing against them but regardless I'm not gonna keep arguing with you cause its clear its going no where.

Wrong thread!!!!!!!!!!!! Third!!!!!!!

A detailed poster is not a n00b. Just because you post more OOCly and have shorter IC posts does not make you any smarter of a person, nor does it make you any more of a "veteran." Now please, let's take this discussion elsewhere.

Or end it here? I just frankly don't care anymore nor did I ever claim to be smarter than anyone here. I have no idea where you got the Detailed poster and nOOb thing in that I never claimed that either. but Again I just don't give a damn about your opinion so how bout we just don't have this argument?

Arguing on the internet....arguing on the internet....its like winning the special olympics...you're the winner but you're still retarded

Seriously, Santh, what's your problem? Tanks exist, people exist, so it's entirely feasible. There's no reason you can't combine them.
lol do i detect a hint of sarcasm (um also tanks have people in them . . .mostly. . . though sometimes not). And I still haven't seen a valid argument against the deathguards.

Or end it here? I just frankly don't care anymore nor did I ever claim to be smarter than anyone here. I have no idea where you got the Detailed poster and nOOb thing in that I never claimed that either. but Again I just don't give a damn about your opinion so how bout we just don't have this argument?

The sarcasm seemed to insinuate that you thought you were smarter. That's what sarcasm is, essentially--making yourself seem smarter at the expense of others.

As to your second point, you again were insinuating that Santh was somehow less of a veteran because he didn't have 2,000 posts, and I countered with the fact that the reason for that is because he plans his posts out and writes them in great detail.

A detailed poster is not a n00b. Just because you post more OOCly and have shorter IC posts does not make you any smarter of a person, nor does it make you any more of a "veteran." Now please, let's take this discussion elsewhere.

I also like that u pulled one tiny part of my post out of context and commented only on it. . . .hmmmmm

I also like that u pulled one tiny part of my post out of context and commented only on it. . . .hmmmmm

Erm...maybe because that's what my point was about?

Also, Ralk, that saying is not only completely random, it's just plain offensive.

The sarcasm seemed to insinuate that you thought you were smarter. That's what sarcasm is, essentially--making yourself seem smarter at the expense of others.

As to your second point, you again were insinuating that Santh was somehow less of a veteran because he didn't have 2,000 posts, and I countered with the fact that the reason for that is because he plans his posts out and writes them in great detail.
Wow . . .most rediculous argument ever. Somehow we got from Deathguards to posting quality (which is entirely qualitative by the way).
I don't recall being sarcastic during this thread and I 'm not to sure what foot you've got to stand on here? Or do you think your smart enough to judge everyone on Nationstates (see what I did there! I can do it too . . .how bout that.) now . . .again . . .I'm not gonna argue with you. Just leave it

Deathguard are good troops, I'll happily give that. But look outside the box. Neither tanks, artillery, attack helicopters or naval gunfire support give a snot about that point, and will kill them regardless.

Thus why they should only attack these behind enemy lines, and/or by infiltrating in harbors, when they are not being used and thus vulnerable, with explosive charges, SAS style.

Tyou thought you were smarter.

Not once did I claim that I was smarter (see i can do it too) . . .context is a wonderful thing now just LEAVE IT ALREADY!

Heed my warning Narwhals will fly!

See what I did there!?!
Its called Digression.
I like to use it a lot.
It keeps me happy and not stressed.
Maybe you should try it once and a while.

Wow . . .most rediculous argument ever. Somehow we got from Deathguards to posting quality (which is entirely qualitative by the way).
I don't recall being sarcastic during this thread and I 'm not to sure what foot you've got to stand on here? Or do you think your smart enough to judge everyone on Nationstates (see what I did there! I can do it too . . .how bout that.) now . . .again . . .I'm not gonna argue with you. Just leave it

Actually it's a completely valid argument that you yourself brought on by assuming that post number = experience. You were sarcastic in every single sentence of your response to Santh's initial qualms, and I pointed out that fact.

Also, didn't you say that we should finish it here? I seem to remember me being the one who suggested taking it elsewhere.

Not once did I claim that I was smarter


(But I am.

"YOU CANNOT IGNORE MY GIRTH"

-Jerry L. Broslow
Super Genius

Actually it's a completely valid argument that you yourself brought on by assuming that post number = experience. You were sarcastic in every single sentence of your response to Santh's initial qualms, and I pointed out that fact.

Also, didn't you say that we should finish it here? I seem to remember me being the one who suggested taking it elsewhere.

-Quote it and point out my "sarcasm"
-I never Claimed Post count=experience . . .you read it that way thats your problem.
-Time posting, age, outside experience, experience with real combat, education (of a certain kind) and post count =experience in II
-WHy don;t we just not argue? I'm clearly not going to agree with you and your clearly not going to see it my way so why don't we just leave well enough alone before we invoke the Wrath of Mod

and I pointed out that fact.

Really all you did was commence an Ad Hominem attack that was entirely unrelated to the argument at hand.

Really all you did was commence an Ad Hominem attack that was entirely unrelated to the argument at hand.

You keep trying to end the argument, and then in the next sentence bringing up a new point. Please, let's at least attempt to get this thread back on-topic.

please stop all of you, unless it pertains to the rp linked in the op just stop!

Very helpful, Chaz. Thank you ever so much.

Really though, if we want to get the thread back on-topic, not mentioning the last few pages would help.

wheee agreed. Leis if this is important to you tg me and set something up other wise good night :)

Um whats the ODECON involvement in this war? And who is the Hegemony aligned with? (genuine question no sarcasm intended and entirely on topic)

ODECON was never really involved. I went to the aid of one of my allies (Anagonia) when he was attacked, and Whiskeasy attacked Fictions independently of the alliance, but that was about it.

As for the Hegemony, LS and the Heg independently attacked GWO (LS is also an ODECON member). I'd check with him to find out what's going on, but he's been offline for some time now...

ODECON was never really involved. I went to the aid of one of my allies (Anagonia) when he was attacked, and Whiskeasy attacked Fictions independently of the alliance, but that was about it.

As for the Hegemony, LS and the Heg independently attacked GWO (LS is also an ODECON member). I'd check with him to find out what's going on, but he's been offline for some time now...

Yah he goes on and off periodically . . .I only ask cause I'm a Hegemony member and wasn't sure to what extent alliances had become involved. Are there still active ongoing IC threads for this?

Yah he goes on and off periodically . . .I only ask cause I'm a Hegemony member and wasn't sure to what extent alliances had become involved. Are there still active ongoing IC threads for this?

There might be, but I somehow doubt it. I haven't seen posts for a very long time.

So you have no idea where LS is? I'm getting a bit worried; he mentioned posting something "tomorrow" about a week ago, and no one's seen him on MSN, IRC, or NS since.

EDIT: Yeah, that was Leistung.

There might be, but I somehow doubt it. I haven't seen posts for a very long time.

So you have no idea where LS is? I'm getting a bit worried; he mentioned posting something "tomorrow" about a week ago, and no one's seen him on MSN, IRC, or NS since.

EDIT: Yeah, that was Leistung.

None whatsoever. He contacted me when I got back but since he's been dead silent and I haven't seen him at all.

If the UWR would be willing to give a comrade some help that would be most appreciated.
-Free Democracy of Korintar, United Workers' Republic member.

Stoklomolvi- I don't know if you'll see this, since this thread has been hijacked by un-involved nations, but I do intend to get a post up ASAP in our thread. The Black Boar won't rest until it has rent your capital asunder! /drama

Yea, so, anyway...

Anagonia, I still would like to know what you think about the treaty... suggest any improvements? Changes? Anything? Or are you not bothered?

Stoklomolvi- I don't know if you'll see this, since this thread has been hijacked by un-involved nations, but I do intend to get a post up ASAP in our thread. The Black Boar won't rest until it has rent your capital asunder! /drama
Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī.

Bon chance, monsieur! And argh, I'll edit my post tomorrow. Too lazy right now.

Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī.

Bon chance, monsieur! And argh, I'll edit my post tomorrow. Too lazy right now.

Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī, Vetīnarī

Vēnī, vīdī, vīcī, Vetīnarī

Discworld reference!

Kudos to you, have a cookie

Discworld reference!

Kudos to you, have a cookie

lol Thanks Fictions :). I'm just glad someone got it.

*eats cookie*

lol Thanks Fictions :). I'm just glad someone got it.

*eats cookie*

You kiddin? Discworld is UbErPwnSom3 xD

Fighter, my point is that you can't go the speed of light with your aircraft. Two you rped your dudes beginning to land, so unless you can point me to a thread where you posted beginning to land and landing, I can assume that that is not a trend with you, thus making my attack totally valid.

Since Buddha C had not posted at my war theater for 20 days, I declare that the war in my theater is now OVER.

I don't get it...

Apparently, because I refused to RP with Stok's use of nukes like mortar shells, I "ran away" from the war.

Only one attack was formed against me and actually put in a thread, and as I said, it resulted in typical Stok-spam.

Fighter, my point is that you can't go the speed of light with your aircraft. Two you rped your dudes beginning to land, so unless you can point me to a thread where you posted beginning to land and landing, I can assume that that is not a trend with you, thus making my attack totally valid.

When did I go to the speed of light? :confused:

Also I never Rped my guys landing. I only launched bombing runs agaisnt you.

In other words what are you talking about?

I don't get it...

Apparently, because I refused to RP with Stok's use of nukes like mortar shells, I "ran away" from the war.

Only one attack was formed against me and actually put in a thread, and as I said, it resulted in typical Stok-spam.


Wasn't this supposed to be a non-nuclear war?

Wasn't this supposed to be a non-nuclear war?

yes

Then no nukes should have been used unless agreed on on specifically by both people. Simple as.

Then no nukes should have been used unless agreed on on specifically by both people. Simple as.

as you see someone did not play by that rule

as you see someone did not play by that rule

I don't know what happened, but the way i see it the person who launched the nukes without the agreement of the would-be nukee is in the wrong

I changed the nuke strike a long time ago. And the nuclear warheads were 50 kT, I believe; I really do not see why nukes are so bad in small numbers.

because they are never RPed in a realistic way, people use them like they would conventional weapons, they never even attempt to capture the true horror and human suffering of a nuclear strike

because they are never RPed in a realistic way, people use them like they would conventional weapons, they never even attempt to capture the true horror and human suffering of a nuclear strike

I say! Take that back or I shall have to launch several hundred thousand nuclear warheads at you!

I say! Take that back or I shall have to launch several hundred thousand nuclear warheads at you!

HA! HA!

That was funny, said the Quaker.

If anyone on Stoke's side is not too busy, when the storm subsides, my soldiers will need additional transportation assistance.

Is the war still raging?

some of the theaters are still being fought but for the most part no.

I believe its mostly died down. But the Thread will remain active so long as a few of the theaters are active.

Chazakain, Akilon, one of my commanders, is planning to fight your snipers- alone... so heads up! If you are wondering, yes, I know he is going to die, and no, he does not care.

fight snipers? alone?
this should be interesting...

I dunno, it's kind of relevant to this war 'cos it only happened because of the war, but I'm now Anagonia's protectorate, if anyone could give half a damn they can post a response here (Or not, just a thought xD)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=581393&page=2

sorry can't as i would not have heard the news or her tellling her people

sorry can't as i would not have heard the news or her tellling her people

They are having a Press Conference, so anyone and his mother would hear about it. XD

They are having a Press Conference, so anyone and his mother would hear about it. XD
that a good thing about not truning into any other nations news and radio and giving a hoot about what going on in them

that a good thing about not truning into any other nations news and radio and giving a hoot about what going on in them

meh, just mentioned it for the hell of it.


PS. WOOT IS IZ ALLOWED TO STAY DICTATORSHIP
No democracy for meh!

For now... Remember that I will never be far away. And when I have enough POWAH, you shall be mine!! XD

For now... Remember that I will never be far away. And when I have enough POWAH, you shall be mine!! XD

NEVAH! you shall never win! your weak democracy will never overcome meh! (It's been through shit but you have to admit, my government has staying power xD)

Your just lucky Anagonia likes you... But he will lose interest and one day I will spread democracy amoungst your people! And they will rejoice!

Oh and I will get a reply to the press conference up soon. Todays been a real killer.

Sure, take your time :)

Chazakain, I sure hope your airforce is prepared for a dogfight over Korintar, for your bombers are about to face 35 fighter planes.

1111st reply!

Hmm. I can still sign up, can't i?

Hmm. I can still sign up, can't i?

The war has pretty much petered out, except in a few places.

Oh. well, I pretty much missed the entire conflict. Stupid DSL Provider.

Hey Stok, I got a reply up in the thread.

Can I join this war or is it too late?

The war is just begining to come back. Stok has launched a massive invasion of Turkey, while we're invading the Spratly Islands.

Don't forget that I'm invading Stoklomolvi as well. The naval portion of the battle is winding down and I've just launched the first amphibious assault, so we should be seeing some action here soon.

Now that the war with Chazakain has cooled down, I will come to Stok's aid if he/she so desires.

How would you guys mind me joining in? I will obviously wait to participate until you give me permission to fight. I read Stoklo-GWO War, Theater: Stoklomolvi, and I would like to fight in that one. Since my nation is communist, I would obviously help Stok.

Go ahead and join, Daiwiz. War's still open.

Sweet. I'll be helping Stoklomolvi, since my nation is communist to, and is related to the USSR. Too bad I won't get to do a naval assault xD

OOC: You know how that worked the last time, Daiwiz.

OOC: It is extremely bad form to invade a person and ignore their nation's defenses, East Congaree. In fact, it is a form of godmoding. Don't do it.

Also, Stoklomolvi, I see you insist on using nukes. Remember what I said via AiM.

Stok, I assume by “entering the bay” you mean the Yellow/Bohai Sea? The problem with that is that you’d have to locate my fleet before firing on them, which is very problematic considering that A) I have air superiority, B) I’ve got SEAD aircraft flying around looking for any radars that I haven’t destroyed all ready, C) I’ve destroyed the vast majority of your nuclear cannons. You showed me where 500 of them were in the first post, and I made certain in following ones to take them out. Certainly any in the area of Tianjin would be gone, since I’ve been bombarding the whole area for a while now.

Let’s see, what’s next. 300,000 fighters? Really? Even the most advanced NationStates militaries cannot support even a fraction of that. The largest I’ve ever seen is around 40,000, and that was for nations whose entire militaries revolved around their airforce and had billions more people than you. 300,000 is impossible. Not only would it bankrupt any country, but the logistics would be impossible, fuel would dry up no matter how much oil you have, and besides all that, I’ve been attacking your runways. It takes 8 men to keep 1 fighter in the air, so for 300,000 you’re looking at 24 million men in your air force alone. Plus you’d never be able to control that many fighters ever, or give your pilots any kind of decent training.

ECongaree, I’d definitely have to agree with Allanea and say that ignoring nukes is really godmod-y. I can understand that you don’t want to have the RP ruined by nukes, but if they form a legitimate part of the defenses I don’t see a way to avoid them.

Stok, this war is supposed to be non-nuclear by declaration of the treaty Anagonia and I signed, but obviously you are able to break it by using tactical nukes. However, before you do that, please understand what that will mean: when you use even one tactical nuclear weapon in this theater, both Anagonia and myself will reduce you to plate glass. Not a threat, just a fact.

Frankly, I have no problem with playing with Stoklomolvi's 300,000-fighter air force. I realize it seems wanky to some, but I am ready to be wank-tolerant if Stok is decent about roleplay. I also oppose 'nuking people to plate glass', because that really breaks RP's.

As a member of the Group Hug treaty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512778) I am sworn to do my best to shoot down any mass ICBM launches I spot, and if I spot any Kargucagstani , Anagonian, GWO-ite or Stoklomolvian launches, I will activate my ABM to shoot them down.

Massive nuke use breaks RP's. Nobody wants to lose their nation, and people will wank terribly, bitch and insult other players to avoid it. Don't do it.

Well, I very much object to the massive air force. This is about story, true, but if the story amounts to magic and fairies and God intervening on a nation's side then it's just ridiculous. And that's what this air force is, magic. It's impossible without it.

Allanea, please take a look at the front page of this thread. The giant, bold letters say that this is a non-nuclear war to protect the RP. The consequences of violating that are clearly stated. If anyone breaks the rules, they can expect to be dealt with. And even if you do intend to take out the ICBMs, you'd never be able to get them all. Military experts always expect at least 5% of warheads launched to survive to impact, that that's more than enough to decimate a country.

Stok, it's not just Anagonia and myself that are going to nuke if this happens. If you retaliate with strat nukes of your own, you can expect my allies, his allies and all of Gholgoth to respond in kind. It's the same thing as nuking Haven.

OOC: I just think nukes, wether you're on the firing or recieving end are boring and take away any fun in an RP. Thermobaric weapons, chemical weapons, and biological weapons are fine with me.

OOC: I think there's a difference between an indiscriminate use of nukes, especially trying to destroy somebody's nation, or whatever, and using them in an RP fashion where you RP out the effects on both the other guy and yourself.

I'll leave this topic to simmer a bit.

GWO, you keep assuming that my men are all conscripts. I believe you looked at my factbook, and like virtually every other damned person who looks at it, fails to see the note in all capitals at the top of the page.

I've talked it out with Allanea. He is going to create his own thread for his invasion of Stoklomolvi, leaving the main invasion thread for just Stok, EC and myself. In fact, Congaree, would you mind switching to his thread? I'd like to keep the war in my thread between us two. This should work out fine, since Stok get's his massive air force (as long as it is used only in Allanea's thread) and I get to fight a realistic war.

OOC: Not sure what you mean, Kar.

OOC: I would like to keep my thread with Stok closed to me and him due to the fact it will be limited to events in one limited geographical area in which East Congaree's forces are most emphatically NOT located.

I have started a new thread for the Battle for Vladistov (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14570469).

Stoklomolvi, upon conversation with me, has agreed to take certain losses for the sake of roleplay. This is the mark of an excellent roleplayer, and I am now persuaded that Stoklomolvi is indeed an excellent roleplayer.

The quality of a roleplayer is not measured by the realism of his posts, as Nationstates is not, and has never been, a realistic roleplaying game. Nor is it measured, as some imply, by his knowledge of tactics, military technology, or his ability to win wars.

The most important qualities of a roleplayer are being equipped with the ability of to cooperate with other players to create plot and being able to write well - in that order. All too often we see people who will write excellent literary posts that are like short stories in and of themselves and then bitch and moan like little babies over every loss their take. These people are not good roleplayers. They are good writers.

Unlike some people, I don't believe RP isn't about losing or winning. For some people, winning is fun. RP is what you make of it. But a good roleplayer works to create an environment for other people to also have fun. As long as people have fun roleplaying with you, it doesn't matter why you RP, how well you write, or how realistic your nation is.

Stoklomolvi has shown to me that he is willing to accomodate other players and take losses in order for the RP to proceed in a fun manner for all involved. This shows he is a good roleplayer - a better roleplayer than some of those who criticize his ability to play this game.

I have previously been told, and believed, very negative things about Stoklomolvi's ability to roleplay. I have been proven wrong.

Allanea, I heard that you, like me, are a mixed tech Rper. It would be interesting to have a mixed tech Rp sometime... although we will have to lay down some ground rules to prevent tech wanking and godmodding, which could easily happen in such an Rp.

OOC: Hapsburg underlip nao

First, from my understanding, this is an OOC thread, so no need to put OOC: in front of your post.

And East Congaree, I do remember the last time I sent my fishing fleet up against you :D I ran away with my tail between my legs, got nuked with both bio-weapons and nukes, and lost all my little fishing boats while my navy waited far off shore. At that point, school started so I ended up leaving it.

Ok, uuuhh, to the point of my message: Where the @#$% is the thread that I CAN take part of so as to fight with Stoklomolvi? I'v gotten comepletely lost. Do I post in the invasion of Stoklomolvi? Or in this new thread?

Oh, and EC. Sorry about Godmodding in the RP we took part in. I was tired, and as was said above, no-one wants their nation turned into plate glass, while mine was being turned into poisoned plate glass O.o Didn't know wether I said sorry in the RP.

I think that bio-warfare should be limited. It should still be alowed, but in small amounts. Not like a massive bio-chemical strike that destroys an entire nation in a single post or something.

Excuse me, but I just entered the Oil Province theater (w/ permission, of course) on GWO's side. Could you add me to the GWO coalition list?

OOC: Yeah, you can enter, Daiwiz. Also, Fanboyists, if you're talking about the group for Operation Indigo, just post your group forming in Southern Turkey.

Ok, so which thread is open to my coming in and helping Stoklomolvi?

GWO, are you fucking blind?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/omgfactbook.gif

I've left that notice there for how long now? And yet some people just can never seem to see it?

I dislike it when people make uninformed assumptions.

Stok, I am offended by your post as it implies blind people are, as a whole, stupid. I, personally, know that not to be the case whatsoever.:mad:

Stok, I am offended by your post as it implies blind people are, as a whole, stupid. I, personally, know that not to be the case whatsoever.:mad:

Lmfao, nice.

Seriously Buddha C. Not all of us take those comments lightly!

Meh, I do, so I find it funny. :-)

I know that statement is false, mainly since I'm pretty much blind without my corrective eyepieces [eyesight is terrible due to some very bad gene mixing leading to massive astigmatism] and I'm not an idiot [or at least I don't think I am; do idiots know how to work with electromagnetism?].

You do make a good point, Stok. Besides, I never implied that you are stupid, just that I was offended by your comment due to its implications. My eyes don't work well, ask Ardchoille, it was a humbling experience for him. ;)

One way to interpret this: because the "All Information Below is out of date" isn't read outloud, blind people would be unable to see it. After all, they can't read for the simple fact they cannot see. They may know HOW to read, but that doesnt matter much when you can't see the letters.

Stok, your not alone. I also have a stigmatism. It sucks....I'm blind when it comes to anything over a foot away without my glasses, and even then I can barely see.

I love 20/20. :D

F@#k you....Lucky bastard....

I get to get glasses myself.

Ok, back to my original question....What thread is open to my joining in to help out Stok with the war? I seriously have no idea which threads are between 2-3 people, and which are open to everyone that has asked in the OOC thread here. I'm simply confused...

I have rectangular half-rimmed glasses. They're quite nice, actually.

WOW are we off-topic. Back on, for anyone participating in the blockade, please confer with the rest of us before doing anything big.

^Leistung

Leistung, please help me! Which thread do I take part in? The Oil Province, or Invasion of Stoklomolvi?

I'm getting a little annoyed here...no one is posting in the Oil Province thread? Where in the world is GWO?

One way to interpret this: because the "All Information Below is out of date" isn't read outloud, blind people would be unable to see it. After all, they can't read for the simple fact they cannot see. They may know HOW to read, but that doesnt matter much when you can't see the letters.

Stok, your not alone. I also have a stigmatism. It sucks....I'm blind when it comes to anything over a foot away without my glasses, and even then I can barely see.

There are screen readers, annoying pains in the arse, but blind people do use the internet. We can read text through special computers that use refreshable Braille displays. Some use residual vision, if they have it, aided with magnification software. With the proper training, you would not know on the internet who is blind and who is not, unless they expressedly state it. So blindness is not an excuse. Sorry if I derailed this thread.

Stop bumping the damn thread, Fanboyists. When we get to the thread we will get to the thread. Right now, the Oil Province thread is not nearly as much of a priority as finishing my response to Allanea's thread, as that one should become far more interesting than this one, being a planned RP.

Sorry. Didn't know. More annoyed with GWO than anything. Not trying to bother you.

Stok, Fan, ANYBODY. Which thread am I supposed to take part in to assist Stok? Which one is open to my joining in. I'v gotten confused, because your currently have two threads concerning Stok, and Kargucagstan has wanted one of the threads to be closed to all but Stok and himself. Which thread is this? And which is the thread that Allanea has created?

I'd imagine you should ask Stok that. He'd know. I know I shouldn't be giving help to the enemy. :D (luhlz)

The thread that Allanea created should not concern any of you, at all.

Post in the invasion of Stoklomolvi thread, as I will designate that one as the theatre for all operations against Stoklomolvi. You can help out there.

Or, you could post in oil theatre, as you could aid me in flanking the fascists from the sea.

I like naval battles. Perhaps I can take part in both. A post will have to come tommorrow as its almost 1 AM here...

Come help him in the Stoklomolvi front. I'm gonna be joining there.

OOC: Daiwiz, it shouldn't be hard to find the Petroluem Province thread.

OOC: Congaree, can you please reply to my post in the "Trouble in the Swamp" thread?

Aissur, just so you know, if you approach any further I'll be forced to sink your fleet.

Now, I can't respond to the invasion thread until the problems I mentioned in my last OOC post are changed.

That would be nice if you did, I was intending for them to die. Ain't I nice?

The military fleet is staying inside International Waters.

*Anagonia walks in to check around. Finding everything in order, walks back to being busy again.*

Anagonia, would it be possible for you to mention a third coalition, which you could refer to as an Allanean or Liberal coalition?

As far as I understand, it contains me (since I declared war on both the Communists and the Fascists in support of Democracy), and Leistung/Sumguy who told me they'll be supporting this move and are currently besieging GWO's capital with me. New members will surely join soon.

I'm not supporting anything past the siege of GWO's capital, undertaken for a number of dubious IC reasons which masks the real fact that the Leistungi government is just getting back at the GWO for 7500+ dead civilians killed in cold blood.

Don't put me down for any "coalitions," basically. In this case, the enemy of my enemy is the guy who just so happens to have ships right outside Magna Polis.

I just watched a documentary on the battle of Layte Gulf and it made me want to reply to this RP :P . Stok, have you decided how you're going to address the issues I talked about in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14568381&postcount=1125)? I'd love to keep this rolling.

Evening, all. I have decided to be nosey.

Quick note: with the usual link to the forums apparently gone, I can't log in to Jolt as Beth Gellert (frick knows why), so any personal messages sent to that forum account are going unread, sorry.

Since I have been asked about Soviet India's position on this conflict, I think that it might be a good idea to formulate one.

Should anyone actually give a monkey's, I have recently changed BG's composition somewhat (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=586641), moving away from my idealised vision of a Left Communist utopia to a more flawed and corrupted (and three fold less wealthy) distortion of such. So now there are 12.8 billion Communists in the Indian sub-continent with an increasingly authoritarian government looking for distractions from and solutions to economic troubles arising from monsoonal failures and a related negative tilting of the state's current account.

I'm probably not going to come to a particular point, here, I'm just expressing an interest and wondering if anybody has any pertinent thoughts.

Hmm....I willing to jump into the war. Can anybody give me a linky to any active warzones? The main page is out of date and confusing.

I will be becoming active in this rp again as I now have more time available to me.

More than likely I will be fully joining the side against the fascists

Well in that case where do you want to set up a battle? Should we attack each other, should our fleet engage at sea. Should I attack you as you defend Stok or attack you as to try to break the fascists attack on Turkey or what?

you'd probably be better off sending forces to Magna Polis since you know its going to be leveled.

you'd probably be better off sending forces to Magna Polis since you know its going to be leveled.

You wouldn't happen to know which thread this is happening in do you?

*sigh*

probably the one about soklo-gwo war magna polis...;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=585532&page=2

Last i checked it had a 3v2 with EC sending outclassed ships..

Yeah, it's so mismatched that I'm just BSing the responses. Hopefully the naval resistance will be brushed aside so that we can commence leaflet drops :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's so mismatched that I'm just BSing the responses. Hopefully the naval resistance will be brushed aside so that we can commence leaflet drops :rolleyes:

Wooo-hooo Principles!!! :rolleyes:

EDIT:
Btw, Golda Meir is a bitch. Not because of her political views though. (Well, kind of.)

I am now entering The war as the Empire of Greater East Asia.

I would also like to announce that I will be entering World War II on the side of the Allies. It isn't too late, is it?

Not that I know of: GWO's capital is under attack and I am invading GWO and EC's territories in Asia.

Yikes! Why is everyone siding against the GWO and allies, just out of idle curiosity here.

Oh, is anything going to happen in the Oil Province thread, or is it pretty much dead? I'd just like to know, 'cause nothing has happened there in a while, and if its pretty much dead, I'll pull out and ignore the rest of the war, or transfer to a different front.

Seems like this thing is coming to a close, any reason to join in? Like would my or anyone elses interference provide anything to keep the whole thing going on a little longer or would it just allow us to watch as the war ends?

Is this war ending? It had been 6 months.

currently the only active theatre is the siege of GWO's capital by myself and several others.

speaking of which, ill have a post up soon in that GWO.

Alright guys, I'm out. Stoklomolvi is ignoring me no matter how many times/ways I try to contact him, and he isn't responding the my thread (despite posting to many others), and I've finally given up hope. It would seem that, finally realizing he cannot beat me no matter what stunts he pulls, he is making the invasion go away by simply ignoring it. Very childish, and I'm quite disappointed. Look at how well developed this RP was! Look at the front page of this thread! Have you ever seen such a well-documented roleplay? I know I have seldom seen better, and I've been here nearly half a decade.

Stok, I was one of the few veterans willing to RP with you. They all dismissed you and wrote you off, but I championed your cause. "Give him time," I said, "show him the way and he'll shape up." Obviously I was wrong. I'm gravely disappointed. Do not expect to RP with me or my compatriots again. Consider my military forces withdrawn from your country, but no retcon will be forthcoming.

Alright guys, I'm out. Stoklomolvi is ignoring me no matter how many times/ways I try to contact him, and he isn't responding the my thread (despite posting to many others), and I've finally given up hope. It would seem that, finally realizing he cannot beat me no matter what stunts he pulls, he is making the invasion go away by simply ignoring it. Very childish, and I'm quite disappointed. Look at how well developed this RP was! Look at the front page of this thread! Have you ever seen such a well-documented roleplay? I know I have seldom seen better, and I've been here nearly half a decade.

Stok, I was one of the few veterans willing to RP with you. They all dismissed you and wrote you off, but I championed your cause. "Give him time," I said, "show him the way and he'll shape up." Obviously I was wrong. I'm gravely disappointed. Do not expect to RP with me or my compatriots again. Consider my military forces withdrawn from your country, but no retcon will be forthcoming.

*sighs*

Well in either condition, I appreciate the compliments. Without everyone's help whom participated, and I mean everyone, we wouldn't have gotten this far. I was getting around to updating the front page after finally getting some spare time recently, but now I don't see no need. I'll keep this thread active and monitor it for those still participating, but overall I think we did a good job up until this point.

Congradulations everyone. While it may not be over, it sure was one HELLUVA ride. Thanks for the memories!

And Kargucagstan, hit me up sometime over Telegram or whatnot and maybe we'll get around to future RP's. I'd enjoy that, very much.

Thanks again everyone!
-Anagonia