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The other flame war was over nothing.

Regardless of whether or not you like being attacked by nuclear weapons, you can be anyway. Why should I care that your people don't like being immolated by nuclear fire when we're at war? Should I send some potpourri while I'm at it?

Nope, won't be necessary.

But war it may be, but in the interest of a roleplay that both people will like it is a good thing to at least consider their views.

That's my opinion anyway.

Yes, considering other people's views is necessary, but I'm not going to not attack with nuclear missiles because you don't like it. I mean, it would make little sense if someone like, say, Leistung, declared war on me and I ignored it because I just didn't feel like going to war with him.

Woo, triple negative.

It's not that i don't like them, It's that i don't like how they are roleplayed- with little to no thought gone in. It is different than just ignoring someone 'cause "you don't feel like it"

Anyway, enough of that, I have my opinion, you have yours, GWO has his, and the world keeps turning despite what we all think.

Just curious, what is exactly happening? The war split off into separate threads.

Yes, it split of into many separate threads to make it easier to follow, I mean, look at how many theaters there are, if they were all on the same thread it would have imploded by now

Refrain from referring to places like "Korea" and "Russia," as they do not exist. China does, as a single entity, but only China. China's borders should be obvious on the map.

Apologies, I had not seen that map (it's very well done, by the way). As soon as I looked at it I drew this (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/Zipline/NationStates/Stokcoast.jpg) up so we can all figure out what's where. The red dots are my chosen landing spots, red arrows are pointing them out and the big blue line is roughly where the blockade line is. I couldn't find a scale for the map, so just assume that it's, eh... 250-1000 nautical miles from your coast and the blue line just shows what's blockaded in general. Do the red dots correspond with the locations you talked about in your IC post? If not I can shift them around a bit.

GWO, what is with you and your inability to take nukespam? Every time you see a nuclear attack you're all "YOU FAIL CUS U CANT FIGHT WITH CONVENTIONAL STUFF!" It was not a nuclear missile barrage, merely a short range nuclear cannon attack. And it was not really an attack, either, more a response to an attack by a Gholgoth member. If it were not for the fact that you continually threaten to ignore me if I touch my nuclear arsenal, you'd be a smoking crater.

I can see two sides to this issue. On the one hand, nuclear weapons are a huge escalation of the war. Up until the point that you fired them on my fleet I was not even in open conflict with you, plus you didn't know if my government's policy was to consider all nuclear weapons as strategic (it doesn't, anything 1 MT and below is tactical for me) so it does seem a bit of an odd choice to start nuking so quickly.

On the other hand, the forces arraigned against your coast are numerous, and the easiest way to destroy an armada is probably with nuclear weapons. So it's really a question of whether the defenders felt the cost of using nukes outweighed the benefits. Obviously, in this case, they didn't.

Anyway, I'm really sorry for how long it took me to reply. I goofed off for most of yesterday and it was hard to break the habit. Although I still have an AMW post to do today and a few chores around the house, I'll try and get another post in this conflict up within a few hours.




EDIT: Oh, I forgot to ask something. On the map on your NS Wiki page Japan is not a Stoklomolvian possession, but on the territory map you linked me it is. I assume the latter is correct, but I'd like to know for sure.

There are OOC problems in the RBS thread, but yes I agree with Stok. If a ship gets hit by a nuclear cannon, then its obliterated.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

It just turned 2009 in Britain and I want to wish people a happy new year

Hey guy's,

Just got off another twelve hour shift, had a great nights sleep, and GWO updated me to Stoky nuking someone. Stoky, prepare for IC repercussions from Anagonia for that. I believe we made an agreement concerning that for this war, so anyway.

I'll update the OOC thread with thread links as soon as possible. Will reply in my posts ASAP. And I plan on opening a third front in the war if anyone's willing to be the victim.

So, anyway.

Hey everyone? Do me a favor and link the threads your create for new theatres from now on. That way I don't have to go searching. I can't find the two that were just put up, and I need to post an ORBAT in defense of Stoky and stuff.

Anywho, anyone who currently is involved in the war after the sides were put up in this thread please mention your nation name and side here so I can update. I just want to make this war a little less hard to understand with everyone's help, pwease? :D

[b]Vladistov, Stoklomolvi[b]

From the military high command in Vladistov, the order was given to the cannons to fire immediately. One of the cannons protested, but command ordered every other cannon to fire. They obliged. Soon after, sixteen nuclear shells flew from the shore to the Cnian fleet, which was by now already thirty five nautical miles out. "Огонь, товарищи!"

that reads to me like they are alive and can talk

Lost in Translation, (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=578158&highlight=Lost+Translation)side thread
Korintar v. Chazakain

Annie, I never launched strategic nuclear missiles at anyone. Kar invaded, and I used my nuclear defence cannons, and I launched nuclear-tipped cruise missiles from Tupolev Tu-160s at GWO. Nobody in IC should know about the cruise missiles until after the war.

Isa, the cannons are somewhat sentient, yes.

I mean, it would make little sense if someone like, say, Leistung, declared war on me and I ignored it because I just didn't feel like going to war with him.

...

Yes. It would.

If you don't want to RP with someone, there's nothing to obligate you to RP with them. Ignore it. What are they going to do about it?

Of course, if it's an open thread, then you don't really have an excuse to ignore them because you opened the floodgates there.

Annie, I never launched strategic nuclear missiles at anyone. Kar invaded, and I used my nuclear defence cannons, and I launched nuclear-tipped cruise missiles from Tupolev Tu-160s at GWO. Nobody in IC should know about the cruise missiles until after the war.

Isa, the cannons are somewhat sentient, yes.

Alright, well I don't want a full blown nuclear war here. So keep it civil please >.>

Also, get on AIM sometime so we can talkzorz.

Chazakain

Thank you. I'll update.

Aki, it would make no sense anyway. Even if you have the ability to do so, practically it makes as much sense as existing on NSEarth, which by now should have fragmented into pieces from previous wars. Ignore as a concept is strange for the peoples in-game; a fraction of the world just vaporised?

Annie, I'm posting on break from SAT. I'll be back in around an hour. And I'm at home. :P

so is chazakain getting attacked or not?(i could those forces in other theaters if not)

so is chazakain getting attacked or not?(i could those forces in other theaters if not)

Yea, lemme get a post up. Sorry for the wait. Fictions killed my leader in a terrorist attack.

so is chazakain getting attacked or not?(i could those forces in other theaters if not)

Posted, btw.

Snippity

I did not see this post, my apologies. On your blockade, the scale used on that map is the general scale for all RL maps; you can use the ruler on WorldWind to scale out distances. I do that.

Just so you know, your blockade, as I said, will be ineffective; on the Pacific, I don't really trade, since all of my allies are on the other side of the world or through the portal. If you blockade the portal, then everyone on the planet will be isolated from NSEarth, and from there I will be forced to drop FOABs and Tsar Bombas on you.

As for the landing locations, each of your arrows is off. The arrow pointing to China is pointing to Jiangsu, not Tianjin. The arrow pointing to Korea is not pointing to Fushan [Pusan] but some place else. The arrow pointing to Russia is way, way, waaay off. You're pointing to Sakhalin. I'm talking about Haishenwei [Vladivostok]. If you'll notice, I've "Sinocised" all of the names of everything in East Asia.

On nuclear weapons, my coastal defence cannon is an impractical, silly, obsolete, inefficient, and ineffective weapon. However, it fires nukes of 1 MT. Since nuclear weapons are excellent for blowing ships to pieces, I use nuclear shore cannons. Normal people would use AShM, but nowadays ships take too many of those to go down. One nuke blows everything the crap up. The Stoklomolvi nuclear policy is that 1 MT or below is tactical, 300 kT or below is not nuclear, and above 1 MT is strategic.

About Japan, I don't actually control much of it. I claim all of it, and I recently declared war on them in a war that I neglected because of this one, and the shaded area is what they still physically control. I exert most of the control over all other locations. This will likely change, since my men are [in theory] still moving around and killing off Japanese people residing in the Ribendao [Chinese: Japan island].

Heys Stoky, where is he invading you at anyway?

East Coast. Worry not, though, since I have nuclear cannons everywhere.

East Coast. Worry not, though, since I have nuclear cannons everywhere.

Okie dokie. Don't kill my fleets in your area. What thread?

We're new to the global defense market. And it shows... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14354681&postcount=118)

We're new to the global defense market. And it shows... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14354681&postcount=118)

LOL! Nah, your just trying for profit.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=578156

Don't worry, your ships won't be touched by friendly fire. I hope. :p

DC, that's some major two-facing there. Heh.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=578156

Don't worry, your ships won't be touched by friendly fire. I hope. :p

DC, that's some major two-facing there. Heh.
Heh. I figured it would be fun, writing about the same events from multiple viewpoints. Must've given Lise a headache...

LOL! Nah, your just trying for profit.
It's an accident, honest... [bad horror film] Or is it? [/BHF]

DC, you ass! :P

If RBS is smart enough, he'll use the same encryption codes on the other telegram you sent out D.C.

DC, you ass! :P

An ass with products for sale, friend... :P

I am curious since you like to lob nukes around like mortar shells, would you actually rp the effects of a strategical nuclear strike on you stok?

Because I doubt Karg is going to play around with your nukes for a long time.

Ah, but my nukes were not strategic. And TPF, if you're not participating, then GTFO. Declare war, and then you can talk.

ponders how to surrender while not fully surrendering.
Athena tells the king, king says nuts to Anagonia, Chazakain gets nuked, genocide(d?)
nope

Lets see Athena stages a "coup", takes over power surrenders to Anagonia but King Ares isn't aware so they attack the Anagonia fleet outside of Chazakain. still get at least some nuking and pissed off Anagnoias.
nah

lets see
Athena doesn't tell king, king somehow gets killed, Chazakain surrenders, doesn't get nuked but pisses off Ralavkia Death guards troops already in area, they go on rampage killing a ton of my soldiers/civilians. darn that still not a good idea.

lets see, go fully dark side, target own country/Anagnoias with satellites reconfigured to shot their anti nuke rods at major cities, kill tons of civilians and then get nuke killing even more and leaving area a massive wasteland and Chazaka can't even step in. argh that won't work

lets see Athena orders troops to arrest/kill death guards, surrenders to Anagnoias death guards struggle killing alot, king still not happy attacks gets nuked

man this is a suck,sucker and suckest situation

I will be mobilizing soon.

ponders how to surrender while not fully surrendering.
Athena tells the king, king says nuts to Anagonia, Chazakain gets nuked, genocide(d?)
nope

Lets see Athena stages a "coup", takes over power surrenders to Anagonia but King Ares isn't aware so they attack the Anagonia fleet outside of Chazakain. still get at least some nuking and pissed off Anagnoias.
nah

lets see
Athena doesn't tell king, king somehow gets killed, Chazakain surrenders, doesn't get nuked but pisses off Ralavkia Death guards troops already in area, they go on rampage killing a ton of my soldiers/civilians. darn that still not a good idea.

lets see, go fully dark side, target own country/Anagnoias with satellites reconfigured to shot their anti nuke rods at major cities, kill tons of civilians and then get nuke killing even more and leaving area a massive wasteland and Chazaka can't even step in. argh that won't work

lets see Athena orders troops to arrest/kill death guards, surrenders to Anagnoias death guards struggle killing alot, king still not happy attacks gets nuked

man this is a suck,sucker and suckest situation

Lol, if we war I won't nuke you! Anagonia is in a state of No-Nukage in this war. If you decline, I just invade and not kill everyone. Basically, it's up to you.

ah in that case

ah in that case

NO WAIT, I N00K U!

>.>

Lol

NO WAIT, I N00K U!

>.>

Lol

ah, hopefully my antinuke satellites would have worked well enough to destroy/deflect most of your nukes anyway(not that I want to test them)

awaits replies to threads

N00000000000000000KS
Me and my stupid left-wing country have no nukes, lol.

Might break truce soon for New Year fun.

Also, really really OOC: Anyone who hasn't seen Bolt yet needs to see it. It's a really cute movie. =o

N00000000000000000KS
Me and my stupid left-wing country have no nukes, lol.

Might break truce soon for New Year fun.

Also, really really OOC: Anyone who hasn't seen Bolt yet needs to see it. It's a really cute movie. =o

We shall consider that! Bolt, a must see! Woof!

Anyway, ya, breaking truces is quite common these days. XD

GREAL...cough cough cough hack cough *die* :p

Chazakain, that was the absolute WISEST move you've ever made.

Anagonia, please update the front page; Sans Semmes has broken its truce with the Grand World Order.
Also, there's like two more fascists and a couple of others joining on the IC thread as well.
Y'all please stand by in case Buddha attacks me again.

Anagonia, please update the front page; Sans Semmes has broken its truce with the Grand World Order.
Also, there's like two more fascists and a couple of others joining on the IC thread as well.
Y'all please stand by in case Buddha attacks me again.

so i can drop the new years party thread and go do something else

Yay It's time for a fairly large nation to get involved. Other than GWO itself, I see no big nations on the Facist side. So off I go.

so i can drop the new years party thread and go do something else

The New Year's Party Thread is probably gonna die, and even if it doesn't, its time will always be 6-7pm-ish on 31/12/08.

Yay It's time for a fairly large nation to get involved. Other than GWO itself, I see no big nations on the Facist side. So off I go.

Har har! Welcome to the RP! Make it fun now!

Also, updated the OOC thingie.

Rithian, on the world stage, you're tiny.

The more the merrier!

Anagonia, mind if I send some marines to Chazakain for support?

Anagonia, mind if I send some marines to Chazakain for support?

Sure, go ahead!

And Rithian, you out already?

He's helping defend GWO, but that's about it I think.

He's helping defend GWO, but that's about it I think.

I'll put him as Defender then.

Okay, sounds good.

@Stok: Well, compared to a good bit of nations, (500 million - 800 million) I'm fairly large. You're basically like 20x my size, but seeing as how you are this fucking god damn huge giant, well, yeah.

Okay, sounds good.

@Stok: Well, compared to a good bit of nations, (500 million - 800 million) I'm fairly large. You're basically like 20x my size, but seeing as how you are this fucking god damn huge giant, well, yeah.

Gotta remember he's basically a member of the Anagonian United Republic too...so my military is kinda stationed in his nation too >.>

Dude I'm a freaking ant. Look at Anagonia then look at me. What do you see? Nothing, right? :p

Either way, I'm bigger than the bulk of nations.

I thought Anagonia was in the 11 billions ... huh. Turns out I'm not much smaller!

Lol, Anagonia could basically cover 2x the amount of people on Earth.

Rithian, I beg to differ.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14355099#post14355099

I officially have entered the conflict. Not exactly the best IC reasoning I was looking for but ICily I can't stand reds, or those who side with them.

Map please?
(If you've got one).

Razafas: Invade y/n?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14355099#post14355099

I officially have entered the conflict. Not exactly the best IC reasoning I was looking for but ICily I can't stand reds, or those who side with them.

Added. Thanks for linky postage!

I thought Anagonia was in the 11 billions ... huh. Turns out I'm not much smaller!

Oh shucks. That's just population. I'm actually quite bigger when you get to know me :D

Just so you know, your blockade, as I said, will be ineffective; on the Pacific, I don't really trade, since all of my allies are on the other side of the world or through the portal.

Yeah, you’re right. It won’t stop much trade at all, but what it will (and did) do is prompt you to attack me, thus giving me even more casus belli. It’s more for IC reasons, really, but I’m also using this RP as a trial run for several tactics I’ve wanted to practice. This is one of them.

Landing zone corrections

What I put on the map are just random places I had chosen for their strategic aptitude. For example, the Korean and Chinese dots are close enough to support each other. However, I can easily change to the sites you chose. They seem as good as any, and a port is vital for unloading heavy equipment. But are you sure you’re okay with an attack on your capital so soon?

EDIT:

Yay It's time for a fairly large nation to get involved. Other than GWO itself, I see no big nations on the Facist side. So off I go.

Well, there's Skibereen at 10 billion, but he hasn't posted IC yet. And, of course, there's me, at 6 billion. I think there's a few other big nations on the Fascist side. But more help is always welcome, certainly.

Alright guy's, I'm out. Stoky, here's a link of Anagonian Forces currently stationed in your nation:

Anagonian Forces Stationed in Stoky Semi-Protectorate (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military&action=display&thread=90&page=1#370)

So be aware that if anyone invades, you'll be bound to have to deal with them. You can RP with them if you want to, Stoky.

I'll be back tomorrow, keep the updates in this thread so I can update and whatnot the OOC thingie. Happy new years! Good dreamings!

Ah, so you're experimenting, Kargucagstan? :P Mind if I call you Kar? I've been doing it for the past few posts.

Vladistov is my capital, and Haishenwei is a few blocks to its east. Since my defences around my capital are naturally really strong, you can attack, though I'll be putting up quite a resistance. If push really comes to shove, I'll immolate my capital.

Night, Annie! And Happy New Year to you all!

Oh shucks. That's just population. I'm actually quite bigger when you get to know me :D

Sounds like someone I might like to get to know. ;)

I would totally try to turn that into heavier innuendo, but I kind of suck at it. Like at a lot of other things.

And have a happy new year, everyone.

Don't mind at all, Stok! Most of my friends call me Talost, though, since this name is so unwieldy (the name is derived from a sound my last cat made once).

Anagonia, I'd like to know where those forces are stationed. If they're all over Stoklomolvi, that's something like 5 soldiers per square kilometer. I imagine that since all of his borders are in the west and the only traditional entrance to the region is in the Atlantic most of the troop concentrations are there. Am I correct?

Don't mind at all, Stok! Most of my friends call me Talost, though, since this name is so unwieldy (the name is derived from a sound my last cat made once).

Was that once before it kicked the bucket? :tongue:

I'm in: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14355694#post14355694

:D

I'm in: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14355694#post14355694

:D

And now I have a target :D

Lmao

Um..."Viewing with Alarm". we've got two reasons to be alarmed- one, it's a global conflict and therefore a hazard no matter WHERE our merchies go, and two-Lynion's got the treaty-rights to call Sudovan troops into any conflict... okay, three reasons-the conflict can escalate and Sudovan troops could end up being dragged in, even without the Lynions' asking. Worse still, Sudovans don't like Communists-this is the "On the street and in the fields" opinion.

"Officially neutral unless called upon". (Luckily, the Lynions don't really seem to think too much of their military capabilities, so they likely won't be...)

Um..."Viewing with Alarm". we've got two reasons to be alarmed- one, it's a global conflict and therefore a hazard no matter WHERE our merchies go, and two-Lynion's got the treaty-rights to call Sudovan troops into any conflict... okay, three reasons-the conflict can escalate and Sudovan troops could end up being dragged in, even without the Lynions' asking. Worse still, Sudovans don't like Communists-this is the "On the street and in the fields" opinion.

"Officially neutral unless called upon". (Luckily, the Lynions don't really seem to think too much of their military capabilities, so they likely won't be...)

i'am happy i never did end up dealing with you seeing you got yourself in a treaty that would pull you into any mess Lynions ends up in
edit

as it would mean i would have wasted money i may have put into your nation to help build it up,only to see it get blown up

Don't mind at all, Stok! Most of my friends call me Talost, though, since this name is so unwieldy (the name is derived from a sound my last cat made once).

Anagonia, I'd like to know where those forces are stationed. If they're all over Stoklomolvi, that's something like 5 soldiers per square kilometer. I imagine that since all of his borders are in the west and the only traditional entrance to the region is in the Atlantic most of the troop concentrations are there. Am I correct?

They are basically stationed mainly in major cities and towns, with contingents numbering from 5,000 Soldiers to 20,000 depending on city population density. The smaller towns are lesser defended, with about 200 Troops at max. Equipment is spread evenly with the contingents. So there are blind spots, but most of the spots not having foot soldier protection are patrolled by air forces.

The Navy just basically patrols at will, from small fleets to large fleets depending on the situation.

Parilisa

I take it your on the Stoky side of things? I'll add you, and the linky thread

ADDITIONS

Added a section for Stand-Alone entrances into the Global Conflict to separate minor theatres from the main campaigns. Added Parilisa.

REQUEST

Everyone that has a map, can you provide links once more so I can make a separate space in the main post for everyone? It would make things easier instead of having to constantly post the links to maps. Thanks!

i'am happy i never did end up dealing with you seeing you got yourself in a treaty that would pull you into any mess Lynions ends up in

Well, it could be worse-(no, stop laughing, it could be-you could be stuck dealing with Sudova as an ally). Part of the whole "joke" with the Sudovans at this point, is their being a kind of chronic client-state wrt international affairs. It isn't "a mistake", it was "On Purpose"-set the country up so that there's always a problem (makes good storylines), without going out and challenging every similar-size nation to a forum-fight out of boredom. If Sudova gets dragged into a war, there's a justification that makes some sense (not a lot, but some), and built-in limitations to what they can do, and how many troops they can commit (Lynion can only pull about 25% of the Sudovan military into their sum total operations-more than that, and there's got to be a good reason, and the Princepes can override if it doesn't follow her people's idea of a "Just War" situation...it's complicated.)

Point being, Isa, I knew what I was doing when I set that up, it wasn't accidental or bad negotiation (well, bad ooc negotiation-it was very intentionally bad negotiation IN character).

( If your depending upon my death guard to react I won't be able to make any indepth posts for a while. I'm on my phone right now and its almost impossible to read your posts unless its in center form. So yeah I wish you all had a happy holidays and a great new year. I'm stuck in orlando but no disney.)

REQUEST

Everyone that has a map, can you provide links once more so I can make a separate space in the main post for everyone? It would make things easier instead of having to constantly post the links to maps. Thanks!

geographic (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/Chazakain11.png), relation to other countries (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/MapMark2-1.png) in the region or relation to the world (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/World.png).

maps if more is needed just ask

Well, it could be worse-(no, stop laughing, it could be-you could be stuck dealing with Sudova as an ally).

i keep my nation out of making allies and treaties so i would not be stuck at all

but nice ic planing

( If your depending upon my death guard to react I won't be able to make any indepth posts for a while. I'm on my phone right now and its almost impossible to read your posts unless its in center form. So yeah I wish you all had a happy holidays and a great new year. I'm stuck in orlando but no disney.)
yes know how that is when out and using my own phone to check in

maps if more is needed just ask

Thanks. Added map links!

Anagonia you doing a fine job keeping the list in order

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/w/images/4/4f/Stoklomolvi_administrative_divisions_names.png

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/w/images/a/a3/Stoklomolvi_administrative_divisions.png

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/w/images/d/d6/Map_of_Stoklomolvi.png

You can probably guess what maps these are...

Oh, and the error in the main map is larger than I thought. I'll have to edit that.

Anagonia you doing a fine job keeping the list in order

Thanks man! I'm trying my best to keep this fun and simple for everyone.

Stoklomolvi

Added. Thanks!

WHOOPS!

Got word of the Kargucagstan Conflict. Added that thread linky!

( Im sad though. My hotel has free wifi but wifi doesn't work)

Anagonia, Now that is dedication...Well done :D

Anagonia, Now that is dedication...Well done :D

Thank you! I'm trying!

Added Linky to main thread.

Вэл, зе рапидлий гровингк конфликт вил энгулф зе ворлд ат зис рате...

Вэл, зе рапидлий гровингк конфликт вил энгулф зе ворлд ат зис рате...

English, NAO XD

I dont have updated maps since my move to haven, however I have some maps of when my nation was basically Europe, just altered into being a massive continental sized island.

I will make some updated maps to detail my new geography. Just give me some time.

I dont have updated maps since my move to haven, however I have some maps of when my nation was basically Europe, just altered into being a massive continental sized island.

I will make some updated maps to detail my new geography. Just give me some time.

Take your time. No rush at all. :D

Val, g grovingk rapidly engulf conflict villas g World al VMS rate ...

DARN YOU GOOGLE TRANSLATOR. D:
Map: Click! (http://usera.ImageCave.com/BlankCanvasProject/Sans Semmes Map.png)

Вэл, зе рапидлий гровингк конфликт вил энгулф зе ворлд ат зис рате...

OOC: "Well, the rapidly growing conflict will engulf the world at this rate"

DARN YOU GOOGLE TRANSLATOR. D:
Map: Click! (http://usera.ImageCave.com/BlankCanvasProject/Sans Semmes Map.png)

LOL! And added map link.

Salzland

Oh dear..

LOL! And added map link.

Salzland

Oh dear..

Don't shoot the translator... ;)

OOC: "Well, the rapidly growing conflict will engulf the world at this rate"

It will indeed... the more the merrier!

Hmm... I have a random urge to make a youtube vid for the war... you know one of those with meshes of fight scenes from games/movies O_o

I believe i still have a map of Aki, when y'all decide to invade like your post said.

Fictions, TG.

I should write in Crylllic until the war ends XD

Kampf, nobody's going to invade Aki in Haven.

I should write in Crylllic until the war ends XD

No thanks, sir, we'd like to be able to know at least what you're doing. xD

Kampf, nobody's going to invade Aki in Haven.

Ah, so I see Anagonia was blowing hot air then. Shame no one has balls these days.

Kampf, nobody's going to invade Aki in Haven.

lol weak

Ah, so I see Anagonia was blowing hot air then. Shame no one has balls these days.

Kampf, unless someone is actively participating and not wanting to screw with peoples minds, we'll play along. I just don't respond well to baiting, and usually ignore it. Me and Stoky are mainly concentrating on those contributing to the fun and enjoyment of this war.

If you want to get involved, you're more than welcomed. Depending on how you want to get involved, many if not most will probably concentrate on other theatres.

It will indeed... the more the merrier!

Hmm... I have a random urge to make a youtube vid for the war... you know one of those with meshes of fight scenes from games/movies O_o

Oooh! Do eeet! It'll be awesome.

Fictions, TG.
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Oooh! Do eeet! It'll be awesome.
I'll do that then :D It'll take a while, but i should have it done by later today, tomorrow at the latest

I forgot the scale on my maps, oops
Geo map with scale please replace. (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/ChazakainGeo.png)
World Map with scale please replace (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/World2-1.png)

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww7/Unker/UnkerlantumMAPPolitical.png

Map with capital, country divided into the various Provinces, and then further broken down into counties with the largest cities on the map.

Working on a geographical map right now.

I believe i still have a map of Aki, when y'all decide to invade like your post said.

I have my own maps, you insensitive bastard. D:

:P

Added and edited all.

Also, added Joint Statement of Non-Nuclear Warfare by me and Kargucagstan. Read the OOC post and linky provided for info.

ADDITIONS

Added link to Kar Approval Post. Edited Kar Invasion Map of Stoky for Kar under Personal Reference.

It would be the first time someone's invaded me...

Way to tell them, Stok. :)

I wish me and my country had n00ks. Then we could n00k things~!

Both of you can either join or just stay the fuck out.

They're not actually supposed to be posting in this thread since they're not involved in the war. Next time it happen's I'll consider doing a MOD thingie to delete their posts and stuff.

Also, don't feed a troll.

Anyway's, back on topic:

SANS SEMMES

That's actually part of the reason I agreed to a Non-Nuke war. For one, there IS no RP. Secondly, it ruins everything. Thirdly, and your point, some of the participants don't even use nukes!

Better add this again:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577828
^ Sans Semmes Theatre.

I believe Buddha's going to invade me again, if his latest OOC post is anything to go by.

Right-o, Annie.

No nukes? I am saddened. Sans, didn't I send you nuclear cannons?

Stok, would it be reasonable to assume that Lyran-TPF forces took over the Irainian area given the forces there at the time? Or did you simply write-off, retcon the civil war RP?

Ah, yes, you did.
So I have little nukes. Thank you. :)

You know, Stok, nuclear cannons work just as well with conventional shells.

Better add this again:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577828
^ Sans Semmes Theatre.

I believe Buddha's going to invade me again, if his latest OOC post is anything to go by.

Added under POSSIBLE WARZONES. Made note of current Cease Fire.

Also, concerning The Peoples Freedom, I'd like to openly state he's involved in the global conflict. I already told him it was fine to post here, so no arguing! Lol.

You know, Stok, nuclear cannons work just as well with conventional shells.

Maybe an exception is in order?

Yeah, Kar, but the fireworks aren't as amazing.

TPF, I booted you out of Stoklomolvi. I'm assuming that Iran and the other little locations are independent now, though Marud-Janjira now sits in Iran, Afghanistan, India, and Pakistan in my region. So no, you and Lyras have nothing in Stoklomolvi. And I would never, ever, ever would accept any treaty that would give you or anyone any piece of our soil.

Lol, I think some countries will have to bring out their nukes by the end of this war.

An exception? I'm confused. Stok, what exactly are these "nuclear cannons"? Nuclear pulse guns, that use actual nuclear bombs to fire the shells? Standard, gun-style cannon? What are we talking about here?

So I am assuming then, you kicked us out oocly, and not icly, am I correct?

Kar, the nuclear cannons just fire nuclear shells. 1 MT yield. I would consider them tactical weapons

TPF, I kicked you out ICly and OOCly.

( I'll get involved on the side of the nukee(guy who gets nuked) if we go into a nuke war.)

TPF, leave the subject at that. He gave you the explanation. Move on.

SANS SEMMES

No, no new OOC thread. If this continues I'll just add more post names to the Mod Thread. I will NOT have this coming into a flame war. I fully expect Stoky to ignore anyone trying to troll him.

Alright Stok, thanks.

LOL, relax.

Can't, at war. Lol.
Didn't mean you, just so you know.

Can't, at war. Lol.

It's a game. And you even have the power to ignore the war if you wanted. :tongue:

It's a game. And you even have the power to ignore the war if you wanted.
I know, I was just fooling around. :)
Didn't mean you.

It's a game. And you even have the power to ignore the war if you wanted. :tongue:

Quotes for truth, lol.

I feel so ignored (Sad face)

I feel so ignored (Sad face)

*hands Ralkovia a nuclear cake* :D

Hai thar buddy!

Also get on MSN sometime so we can talkzoz about war.

Hey Chaza? I'm waiting for you in that thread. Do you want me to post landings or something?

my computer won't let me get on MSN

my computer won't let me get on MSN

Oh, okay. Well what was it you wanted address? I got caught up in the action of the moment earlier.

( Just read back to the post before the one saying I'm sad)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356410&postcount=385

-Okay Cool.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356015&postcount=336

-Dude that sucks. Isn't there a port you can connect to with a line?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14355923&postcount=328

-Happy new year to you too! Hope you get off your phone soon, and make some postzorz!

(Hope I addressed them all XD)

Wow, war's really starting to heat up. =/

yup. That's a good thing :D

Wow, war's really starting to heat up. =/

*turns on air conditioner*

Lol, anyway. In all honestly some of the theatres may die due to lack of posting. Yet most will remain active so long as we got good participation.

EDIT

I'm still waiting for someone to invade me! XD Hopefully Buddha will get around to it. :P

I haven't invaded you and yet I managed to piss your people off real bad xD

I haven't invaded you and yet I managed to piss your people off real bad xD

Well lobbing a civilian airliner into a capital building and killing a National Leader tends to do that, ya know. XD

"Jacob stopped, looked up at the night sky. He'd been assuming that there were
two sides to this game and both were playing to win. But what if... what if
there was someone else, and they wanted to see both sides lose?"

I'm pondering about having the Confederacy involved this conflict, but not in a conventional manner.

Stok, do you have MSN/YIM ?

I'm pondering about having the Confederacy involved this conflict, but not in a conventional manner.

Your welcomed any time!

Sure, TSS. [[[crossbowman518]]]@hotmail[.com] for MSN.

If only the BSO was still active. Right now I just use it as an RP scapegoat D:


They would've all probably jumped on the "Defending the GWO's sovereignty" bandwagon.

Im not defending GWO or the IFA or Pact of Iron, mostly defending my government's IC ideaology while harassing and or making land grabs on the nations which aren't part of a bloc alliances. That and fighting off the communist menace of course.

I am pleased to present to you a small video I made for this war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmbfX7xo4Js

what can I say, I was bored and have too much time :D

Added link to awesome Youtube Video by Fictions! It's all about the war! Huzzah!

Duuuuuuude, Fictions, that's freaking epic. So bloody awesome. :D

Thanks :D

"Jacob stopped, looked up at the night sky. He'd been assuming that there were
two sides to this game and both were playing to win. But what if... what if
there was someone else, and they wanted to see both sides lose?"

I'm pondering about having the Confederacy involved this conflict, but not in a conventional manner.

Stok, do you have MSN/YIM ?

Well, I'm a fourth side - I don't care who wins, as long as tensions rise and I get lots of sales... [Blatant Plug] Speaking of which, see my storefront (the link is in my signature). [/BP]

Duuuuuuude, Fictions, that's freaking epic. So bloody awesome. :D

You gonna get on aim yet? Wanna talk about somethin. I added you on MSN.

Well, I'm a fourth side - I don't care who wins, as long as tensions rise and I get lots of sales... [Blatant Plug] Speaking of which, see my storefront (the link is in my signature). [/BP]

Well you could get drawn in. I mean I'm not going to let shipments of arms go to my enemies freely unrestricted naval warfare my friend.

Well you could get drawn in. I mean I'm not going to let shipments of arms go to my enemies freely unrestricted naval warfare my friend.

Yeah watch out the huge storefronts don't hit you then to protect their trade. They don't like it when somebody tries to sink a shipment like that. Trust me,I tried.

Well you could get drawn in. I mean I'm not going to let shipments of arms go to my enemies freely unrestricted naval warfare my friend.

Well, I'm not a shipping company. We hire firms to ship the goods, or have our customers do it (depending on whether they control the seas and skies); they handle the blockade-running, or don't. I do not have the time to get sucked into RPing a war, or even international tensions (except for corporate disputes). Hell, I've only vaguely sketched my 'country'...

Fourth Armada
x80 Triumph Class Carrier
x20 Ark Royal Class Carrier
x50 Battle Class Escort Carrier
x50 Foxbury class Carrier
x480 Town Class Cruisers
x480 Admiral Class Cruisers
x480 Battleaxe Class Cruisers
x50 Sandakan Class Battlecrusiers
x400 Norlay Class Destroyers

x40 Neptune Class Submarines

Anagonia Theatre I
Army Group [3]:
[ 270,000]
First Infantry Army [Mechanized]
40th Corps
108th Infantry Division
102th Infantry Division
202nd Infantry Division
41st Corps
11th Infantry Division
22nd Infantry Division
9th Infantry Division
42nd Corps
200th Infantry Division
220th Infantry Division
13th Infantry Division
1st Armored Army [270,000]
I Armored Corps
2nd Armored Division
3rd Armored Division
28th Infantry Division
13th Armored Corps
11th Armored Division
21st Armored Division
33rd Infantry Division
16th Armored Corps
20 Armored Division
12th Armored Division
66th Infantry Division
Second Infantry Army [270,000]
90th Infantry Corps
88th Infantry Division
51st Infantry Division
28th Infantry Division
20th Infantry Corps
31st Infantry Divison
44th Infantry Division
57th Infantry Division
18th Infantry Corps
35th Infantry Division
38th Infantry Division
40th Infantry Division

Several independent units:
30th Armored Corps
7th Infantry Corps
2nd Air Assault Corps

Estimated MBT strength: 1944
Estimated APC/IFV strength: 2916

Air Force [5]
450x ASF-90 Birds of Prey Fighters
250x AGF-50 Blue Jay Fighter-bombers
10x Safeguard AWACS
250x Warhawk Tactical Bombers
100x SB- 22 Zeus Strategic Bombers
35x Kalt Air-refueling

Yay! Now I get to have an invasion! w00t....wait, what am I saying?

Lol Anagonia, what are you smoking? xD
Nice vid btw, Fictions.

Lol Anagonia, what are you smoking? xD
Nice vid btw, Fictions.

Cigarettes currently XD

Norly, because it's probably legal in my country.

Norly, because it's probably legal in my country.

I'm smoking Cigarettes, really. Honest. I don't do any of that other stuff. Tried Salvia once, got relaxed and chilled. Other than that nothing.

Also, my war thread will be freggin epic.

Lol, can you put stuff like marijuana in bombs and drop them on capital cities so the citizens all become high? Would that work? xD

Lol, can you put stuff like marijuana in bombs and drop them on capital cities so the citizens all become high? Would that work? xD

I dunno. Try that on Buddha and see what happens! Lmao. That'll be epic in itself!

Lol, artificial stuff like meth is a lot better though, I heard. Supposedly, it gives a longer and stronger hallucination period.

I don't know if you drop anything like a Kush bomb on me and I'll turn you to glass! *angry fist shake*

No, it would have to be a two stage process.

Well, if the bomb was a bit more advanced then yes, but I don't feel like going that way... Anyways...

You'd have the first wave, which you drop the pot.

The second would drop some kind of minor incendiary device, not enough to burn it all in one massive explosion, but enough to keep a simmer.

And pray to god there isn't a strong wind or else that is going to be a lot of waste.

Why not try slipping hallucinogens into the water supply?

Acid!!

Oh god, I lawl'ed so hard looking at the previous posts.

We should really try this for fun to see what happens!

Baha.
"The Death Guard began rolling around in the dirt, their pupils dilated, saying things to each other like, 'Hey, you ever wondered what it'd be like to be a naked purple unicorn driving a chevy? That'd be, like, totallly awwweesommme."

Could you imagine that? xD

Unkerlantum's given me basically 48 hours to retract our war declaration, which we aren't going to do, so basically we're now at war.

Baha.
"The Death Guard began rolling around in the dirt, their pupils dilated, saying things to each other like, 'Hey, you ever wondered what it'd be like to be a naked purple unicorn driving a chevy? That'd be, like, totallly awwweesommme."

Could you imagine that? xD

:hail::hail::hail:

@ Sans you might want to respond to the three cruise missiles I launched at some government building, (you can pick what it is) a supply depot of some kind and at a city square that lots of civilians travel through. Using Combined Effect Munitions also known as cluster bombs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwMYEDDRTc&feature=related

The thing around 0:49-0:50ish is what i deployed against your city square, the guy talking pretty much explains what happens and see what they do. you can imagine what effect they would have in a crowded urban enviorment full of soft targets. Also whatever bombs don't explode would pose a hazard until your EOD/Bomb Squad teams cleaned them up.

Alright, I'm out guy's. Keep updates coming and I'll return tomorrow! Night all.

'Night.

Posted IC, sorry about that.

All those wishing to participate (especially Stok forces :P) in Sans Semmes Threatre please post, we're officially being invaded now.

Gtg for now.

Nuclear cannons bwahaha.

*does cheerleading*
Nuclear nuclear can-nons! Nuclear nuclear can-nons!
Of course, under the new rules Unk will have to agree first.

No, the new rules are IC. And the nuclear cannons are tactical weapons. If you don't want to use nukes, just stuff in some vacuum bombs instead.

Oh, I see.
In which case, I will shove some vacuum bombs into my cannon and asplode away.

Well see the beauty of Stok using nuclear cannons on my forces is if he does I'm not retaliating against Stok with WMD's.

I'll be using tactical level WMD's on Sans instead, since it is Sans whom Stok is defending.

Maybe Stok won't be inclined to use such weapons when it will mean great suffering on someone elses people. Or if he does after I issue my IC warning I don't think the people of SS will be thrilled when their "ally" uses them anyway knowing it will bring harm to them and not Stok's own forces or citizens.

Oh, Unker, you will realise your mistake when I start knocking your electronics into pieces with EMP bombs and extremely heavy explosives. I will not restrain myself from using EMP weapons en masse to kill off all of your equipment and force you to fight conventionally. You use tactical level WMDs on Sans? You'll get them en masse on your head.

[Take none of this as offensive.]

Well you certainly aren't the only one with EMP type weapons so I guess we'll both end up fighting at the WWI tech level lol.

I guess we are now also in a state of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) as I too have enough assets to glass us both over along with SS.

I'm already at the WWI tech level, essentially. I use flak tanks.

You use strategic missiles, you get the crap bombed out of you by Kar or Annie. I'm not even going to bother using any tactical level WMDs, only FOABs until you strike first.

I guess we will be trading FAE bombs and the like then.

Im not worried about Kar or Annie. Pretty much with any nation of a decent size which we all are (at least in regards to this particualr discussion) using WMD's like that would result in all of us becoming nuclear wastelands which I don't want. I don't think you nor Kar nor Annie want either. So not much to worry about there.

That and it makes for very boring rp.

So should I expect you use the old soviet "human wave" doctrine then as well?

Map of Parilisa: http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/The_Republic_of_Parilisa/baltic-map.jpg

Thanks to Aeigis and my many, many, government owned stores I'm probably fighting at 1990-2010 tech.

Also Unkerlantum glad to hear this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14358482&postcount=65)

Well you certainly aren't the only one with EMP type weapons so I guess we'll both end up fighting at the WWI tech level lol.

I guess we are now also in a state of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) as I too have enough assets to glass us both over along with SS.
no EMP Shielding
I'm already at the WWI tech level, essentially. I use flak tanks.

You use strategic missiles, you get the crap bombed out of you by Kar or Annie. I'm not even going to bother using any tactical level WMDs, only FOABs until you strike first.

make me think of red alert

Also Fictions i just watched the video you made and i have to say that im impressed..very good job. Cheers

no EMP Shielding


make me think of red alert

Of course I have some systems which are EMP sheilded, but EMP shielding is expensive so you don't EMP shield everything. Also the cheaper methods of EMP shielding aren't effective against all frequencies so the effects of an EMP blast would be different on each system depending on what frequency they were shieled up to.

A city for example isn't going to have many systems if any that are shielded from EMP. So an E bomb over a city would pretty much fry everything.

Things like my Schutz command center, and other major systems or structures like the Ministry of War building are shielded in redundant layers as are my missile silo's so I don't lose my ability to launch my own ICBM's.

Non-nuclear EMP's have very, very limited ranges (something like a hundred meters max) compared to a couple of megatons let off at v. high altitude*. Just figured I'd let you guys know. :p

*You can actually burn through EMP shielding with enough power. >_>

find this don't know how useful it be
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59555/pg1

Damn Haven.

Izistan, is a there any sort of LASER, MASER, -whatever-ASER that would have EMP as a side effect?

Anyway, if most agree with the use of non-nuclear EMPs, there is no point in arguing about whether it is realistic or not. Just as there is no point in arguing whether uber-lazerz in SPACE are realistic or not if they were agreed upon by the RPers.

Izistan, is a there any sort of LASER, MASER, -whatever-ASER that would have EMP as a side effect?

Charged particle beam would do it. Unfortunately said person firing it in atmosphere ends up with radiation poisoning from the bremsstrahlung created by the charged particles. And then theres the crippling blooming effect, power requirements...

Non-nuclear EMP's have very, very limited ranges (something like a hundred meters max) compared to a couple of megatons let off at v. high altitude*. Just figured I'd let you guys know. :p

*You can actually burn through EMP shielding with enough power. >_>

I know this but unlike stok i didn't want to use WMD's that would kill citizens, lastly in my deployment of EMP's using high power microwaves think along the lines of a cluster bomb the ballistic missile opens deploying its re entry vehicles which then open again themselves releasing multiple HPM warheads over a larger area. Since I'm just targeting urban centers I'm not trying to obliterate the entire province.

And I know you can burn through EMP shielding that's why I have multiple layers of shielding and some structures even housed under ground in hardened bunker complexes

Obviously, most nations have their big supercomputers and things in Faraday Cages, which would shield them from the EMPs. Missiles and such wouldn't be.
Still, dropping ten EMP warheads into a Capital City is still going to fuck it up. xD

ADDITIONS

Added map of Parilisa. Added Soviet Aissur via telegram request.

Keep up the good work guy's!

Updates:
Sans Semmes Theatre
Sans Semmes, Stoklomolvi, Cukarica, Heirosoloa, The Northern Baltic, Unkerlantum, Allanea (threatening to attack Stok).
All-out War with EMP Warheads, Nukes, etc. =D

OOC Anagonia would you mind terribly if I sent some men to assist in the war in your department\theater? I feel I owe you something for last time or at least uphold a certain quasi treaty and maybe add a new shine to Waldenburg's international relations? I'm very bored waiting for our regional war to peak. And it would be nothing major 1-200,000 men with supporting naval and air squadrons.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14359350&postcount=70

I'm debating on whether or not I should ignore.

Just a few issues, clarifications, points to make that sort of thing.

One Stoklo you did fire ICBM's at me and as stated people inside my region would surely take note of it. Allanea is my ally through the Confederacy of Soverign States and he does have bases and troops inside my nation ( I think there are three bases total I'd have to double check.)

Further since the bases are built under the CSS agreement other CSS nations could presumably have troops or at least some kind of personnel inside my nation as well at these locations so presumably every CSS member state would now have a legitimate reason to take actions against you.

and since you chose to use ICBM's you have also given every nation in Haven a legitimate reason to take some sort of action against you (I don't think they like ICBM's flying into the region), particularly those neighboring me or ones which have colonies around me which would now have a radioactive cloud in the atmosphere drifting over their territory.

Basically you using WMD type weaponry on me has opened the door to the conflict for a lot of people, at least in regards to your theatre. Perhaps ICily your government will think twice in the future about using nuclear ordnance so liberally.

@ Sans I would like to know how two planes got that close to my homeland let alone my capital without being noticed, especially since I just had two ICBM's launched at me and already in a mobilized state of war.

My aircrews wouldn't excuse a plane just because it had a "white flag" painted on it if anything the lack of official markings would lead to it being shot down sooner rather than later.

And a "pot bomb"? Let's be serious here please. At most my people would get maybe a slight buzz before the wind blew away the smoke and maybe a panic over a possible biological attack.

And not all EMP bombs are nuclear sans however the most common and largest reaching ones have a nuclear blast go off in the atmosphere which sends waves of EMP down onto the group below along with radiation and that sort of thing.

And as stated not all EMP shielding works and Faraday cages would only protect against certain wavelengths depending on the materials used to make the cage, and the thickness of the cage regardless Faraday cages and the like would not provide universal EMP shielding.

Lastly I am a bit tired of the WMD scenario as it's boring IMO. So I am going to try to stay away from even threatening their use. I will use them very liberally in retaliation scenario's however.

I am hoping this can be worked out in a civil manner and not turn into a massive nuke spam/ ignore fest. So please both sides be civil in your discussion

I'm debating on whether or not I should ignore.

same

Unker, I was referring to your existence.

ICBMs loaded with non-nuclear weaponry; not WMDs.

Unker, I was referring to your existence.

ICBMs loaded with non-nuclear weaponry; not WMDs.

How does he know they are conventional ICBM's, they dont just have a sticker on them saying 'nuclear' or 'non-nuclear'.

If the stupidity of the other side that happened in the Sans Semmes thread was a pretext to get into a nukespam and save GWO's side from losing the conventional war,its realy pathetic.
And also i hope tha you are aware that,just as Stok said ICBMs loaded with non-nuclear weaponry;
also ill post a response on the later post asap

Mmkay, deleted posts, gonna re-post.

If the stupidity of the other side that happened in the Sans Semmes thread was a pretext to get into a nukespam and save GWO's side from losing the conventional war,its realy pathetic.
And also i hope tha you are aware that,just as Stok said
also ill post a response on the later post asap

See Clan's (oddly helpful) post.

CP, did not ask for your input. Kindly leave.

I agree with Cukarica for once. Although, I never sought to RP with self-labelled pompous elitists anyway.

What did I do to warrant an ignore?

In this day in age if you launch an ICBM it is going to be assumed they are nuclear. You're the one that launched ICBM's first not me, and now that you see by doing so you have greatly annoyed my neighbors you want to ignore me?

If Russia launched an ICBM at France you think Spain, Germany, and the other surrounding nations aren't going to be worried and or a bit pissed off about it?
I don't know any government that wouldn't mind ICBM's flying over or landing near their territory.

Just a few issues, clarifications, points to make that sort of thing.
...

and since you chose to use ICBM's you have also given every nation in Haven a legitimate reason to take some sort of action against you (I don't think they like ICBM's flying into the region)...

Basically you using WMD type weaponry on me has opened the door to the conflict for a lot of people, at least in regards to your theatre. Perhaps ICily your government will think twice in the future about using nuclear ordnance so liberally.

...

I am hoping this can be worked out in a civil manner and not turn into a massive nuke spam/ ignore fest. So please both sides be civil in your discussion

THIS.

Irregardless of the contents, an ICBM will look the same to fixed and space-based radar arrays, be it carrying nuclear ordinance or confectioner's sugar. In essence, taking action in Haven is like swinging a bat at an africanized killer bee's nest. Never a good idea.

I'm debating on whether or not I should ignore.

same

Pardon me for intruding, but if you're not interested in participating with any Havenic nations due to OOC biases (which would be a fundamental flaw in your logic, considering you're RPing with Unterlantum, who is a Havenic nation), you shouldn't have taken this to Haven.

As it is, you and your ally have fired intercontinental ballistic missiles into Haven, you have directly attacked Haven with semi-conventional arms, and you are threatening the use of weapons of mass destructions against a Havenic nation, something the Havenic Defence Council has a legitimate IC reason for detecting and not wishing to happen.

As such, we Havenites have a legitimate IC reason for reacting, something which does not warrant an ignore. I remind you good sir that it was you who opened the door for us to have legitimate reasons for participating as we have and may in the future of this RP. If on the other hand you remain steadfast in your decision to ignore the quite legitimate response from Haven, I would advise all parties involved that any action taking place against/within Haven and Unterlantum to be retconned and for you good sir to henceforth be referred to as the metagamer that you appear to be.

Good day sir.

Call me what you will. I care not. Good day to you, as well, sir.

should Unkerlantum refuse to rescind its declaration, Stoklomolvi will be forced to unleash as many Type 31 High Explosives [FOAB] on Unkerlantum as we possibly can.
and after that Unk responded with nukespam threat

Should any nuclear grade, biological, chemical, or other device classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the Reich be used against the Reich herself ,or her deployed forces. Full scale retaliatory measures will be taken not against the forces of Stoklomolvi or your citizenry but against the people of Sans Semmes.

With that, a single modified Topol-M missile was launched from a faraway silo and targeted off the coast of Unkerlantum. Soon after followed another Topol-M missile, with the intent to disable as many Unkerlantum electronics as possible.

I just posted this as a refference on why the so called "elitists" tried to made this war a nukespam and kill of its RP values

CP, did not ask for your input. Kindly leave.

I agree with Cukarica for once. Although, I never sought to RP with self-labelled pompous elitists anyway.

Lol I'm not leaving.

You and your allies have launched an attack on a continent in Haven where I have strategic interests in two areas, both in equal range of any sort of fallout if Unk was hit with a nuclear strike. Consult this map for other people you will potentially royally piss off.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/fahooglewitz1077/Haven/Haven.png


I can assure you that Clandonian and Royal Georgian League weapons arsenals outnumber yours on an epic scale.

Haven bah. You insult me, and expect me to listen to you and/or care about anything you say?

And show me some numbers on your "outnumber on an epic scale."

Okay a FOAB is a very large bomb, it even replaced some lower grade nuclear devices. Making it a very dangerous weapon.

I warned that I would retaliate. The USA and Russia did the same thing in the cold war. That I did I simply warned Stok that if he launched anything classified as a WMD I would retaliate.

Am I suppose to just sit there and let ICBM's fall on me and do nothing?

Stoklo then launches Topol-M ICBM missiles at me which I won't be able to tell are nuclear or not. And he already used tacital nuclear cannons which would warrant a nuclear strike from most people anyway.

Instead of doing what most realistic governments would have done I launched my own non nuclear ICBM's instead of nuclear ones. Thus avoiding a nukespam rp.

I think everyone involved in this RP will agree with me when I say that I have been nothing but polite, serious and considerate for the duration of the roleplay. However, I am afraid that I have to side with the Havenic forces on this issue. Stok, your constant, niggling prejudice and hatred against #d is getting out of hand. You launched ICBMs at a Havenic nation! They have every right to completely glass you now. Please, please, stop being so prejudiced. I know that they aren't doing anything to help your opinion of them, but that's because you just keep jabbing their eyes with sticks! This cannot continue like this. It's ridiculous.

Unkerlantum, apologies for the shit RPing on my part.
I think creating a new thread (for SS-Unk Conflict) is in order, the old one is turning kinda bad.

Tell that to your Haven buddies, then, Unker.

I never sought interaction with anyone from Haven. I had, for some reason, believed that Unker was in my region until I remembered that I ejected him myself. I will not sit back and let Unker attack without any ability on my part to retaliate.

I remind you good sir that it was you who opened the door for us to have legitimate reasons for participating as we have and may in the future of this RP.
read the my post above and as i last time checked high explosive [FOAB] is not a nuclear threat...
Also Good day to you to,sir.

omg your posting so fast i cant respond ffs

Tell that to your Haven buddies, then, Unker.

I never sought interaction with anyone from Haven. I had, for some reason, believed that Unker was in my region until I remembered that I ejected him myself. I will not sit back and let Unker attack without any ability on my part to retaliate.
I do sympathise with this. One of the main reasons I ended up not bothering to post in your civil war was the way you'd structured your region to make it geographically almost impossible to do anything of consequence. Perhaps you should join Haven?

I would look like the largest hypocrite in the history of NS, so I respectfully decline. Had you asked, I would have allowed you to invade from some place other than the Atlantic portal; Kar asked, and he was allowed to invade from a portal that opened in the Pacific.

Tell that to your Haven buddies, then, Unker.

I never sought interaction with anyone from Haven. I had, for some reason, believed that Unker was in my region until I remembered that I ejected him myself. I will not sit back and let Unker attack without any ability on my part to retaliate.

When was I in your region? I don't recall ever being there. I have been in Starways congress, Mediterranica, and Haven that is all I recall.

I didn't attack you either I attacked Sans Semmes. You decided to defend SS and threatened to use FOAB's I then threatened that any device deemed a WMD by my government would be retaliated against.

After this warning you launched ICBMs at me. Thus upsetting my CSS ally Allanea and the inhabitants of the nations around me. Both have good reason to be angry with you.

You are the one that escalated from threats to actions not me. I launched cruise missiles at SS and that was it, a far cry from shooting off ICBMs.

So how are you the one retaliating?

My beliefs do not necessarily coincide with reality at all times, Unker. You applied, and I thought that I had accepted you when I realised that I never actually approved; I booted you out myself.

I don't care what your government deems to be WMD. For all I care you could be the size of Luxembourg and deem an artillery shell a WMD. I retaliated to your strike with a strike of greater magnitude.

So, what are we going to do? We can't just sit here arguing all day.

How about this, all those that were actively involved in fighting in the conflict between me, Stok and Unker have all damages/actions undone, and we start again with an OOC agreement of No Nukes/Biological Weapons/Chemical Weapons.

Also, if Unker being in Haven means that every time Unker gets attacked the entirety of Haven swarms on the attacker, either Haven needs to gtfo out of this war or Unker needs to pull out. I'm not having him get, basically, immunity against attacks.

Also, if Unker being in Haven means that every time Unker gets attacked the entirety of Haven swarms on the attacker, either Haven needs to gtfo out of this war or Unker needs to pull out. I'm not having him get, basically, immunity against attacks.

My thinking exactly. I'm off for the next two hours.

For the sake of the RP this would be acceptable by me No Nukes/Biological Weapons/Chemical Weapons.

Stok, get on AIM, now.

Everyone else, please remain civil.

Okay you must mean when i applied for that earth thing not the region though.

And yes you retaliated against my cruise missile strikes with ICBM strikes which my neighbors and allies didn't like. Still no reason for an ignore.

Guys, this is being discussed right now between Haven, Anagonia and Gholgoth. We're doing our best to resolve this crises as quickly as possible and seeking ways to continue with the RP. Please don't stop posting IC, especially if your thread does not have any interaction from Stoklomolvi, Haven or Gholgoth.

Also, if Unker being in Haven means that every time Unker gets attacked the entirety of Haven swarms on the attacker, either Haven needs to gtfo out of this war or Unker needs to pull out. I'm not having him get, basically, immunity against attacks.

Um no the only reason Haven got involved is because Stoklo launched ICBM's at me.

I've been attacked with conventional weapons not typically associated with WMD's (like ICBMS are) before in Haven and had no issues. I am hardly immune to attacks.

Regardless Allanea and the CSS would have a legitamte reason for becoming involved because the alliance particularly Allanea has bases in my nation.

None of the above warrant an ignore. Had Stok launched for example sub based cruise missiles Haven wouldn't have become involved although Allanea probably would have due to the point I made before about having assets in my nation.

I would look like the largest hypocrite in the history of NS, so I respectfully decline.
Maybe. I would much rather that both sides just dropped this ridiculous vendetta.

Had you asked, I would have allowed you to invade from some place other than the Atlantic portal; Kar asked, and he was allowed to invade from a portal that opened in the Pacific.
Actually, you specifically disallowed that in the OOC thread when someone asked you - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14057785&postcount=338

But I'm glad you've adopted a more sensible stance in the meantime.

The way I see it , if someone is going to use Nukes, it has to be (a) role-played well (b) Agreed one by both people involved (c) realistic - one or two nukes, not 3,000

That is merely my point of view, I do not know the issue in question and therefore cannot make any judgment, so my statement is merely a general one

I would assume that the more recent statements by Stok allowing new portals would overwrite that post, Prae.

Ladies and gentlemen.

This new stage of this war will bring the war a continuation. I regretfully state that Violation of the Treaty will not be accepted. Therefore, I request that every participant continue with the war to allow a fun and entertaining continuation so we may all live by the Non-Nuclear Treaty and forget this situation.

Stoklomolvi, I cannot do anymore. Therefore, we must move on. Ladies and Gentlemen of this Role Play, Haven shall do what they must, and I shall not stand in their way. Again, let us continue.

I respectfully put forward an Idea for everyone to go by. For the continuation of the War, Anagonia shall assume the role of aggressor against GWO. We shall remember the first starting of the war, that Stoklomolvi acted against GWO in defense of an Ally, but due in light of recent events, and my personal desire to continue this awesome role playing, we must conclude that Anagonia is the prime aggressor against the GWO coalition.

Is everyone agreed?

Sure

That works for me. Just to clarify, we're talking about all previous mentions of Stoklomolvi being retconned to being Anagonia, correct? Would this mean that my invasion and TPF's be combined in one thread? I don't think this will affect our declaration of joint non-nuclear stances, though.

EDIT: Just talked with Anagonia on IRC. No, the war is not being retconned. Stoklomolvi is still the original aggressor. However, he has violated several treaties and is being left to the mercy of Haven. So Anagonia will continue where he is deployed now, acting as the prime aggressor. Kargucagstani naval forces will be evacing Anagonian personnel in case Haven decides not to be so merciful.

I missed something. But I would agree with that.
did Stoklo leave the rp?

That works for me. Just to clarify, we're talking about all previous mentions of Stoklomolvi being retconned to being Anagonia, correct? Would this mean that my invasion and TPF's be combined in one thread? I don't think this will affect our declaration of joint non-nuclear stances, though.

EDIT: Just talked with Anagonia on IRC. No, the war is not being retconned. Stoklomolvi is still the original aggressor. However, he has violated several treaties and is being left to the mercy of Haven. So Anagonia will continue where he is deployed now, acting as the prime aggressor. Kargucagstani naval forces will be evacing Anagonian personnel in case Haven decides not to be so merciful.

That's the Idea. Thanks Kar. Okay people, let's continue!

I missed something. But I would agree with that.
did Stoklo leave the rp?

Unker, Haven needs you to come online please to IRC.

That's the Idea. Thanks Kar. Okay people, let's continue!

Okay so Stok is at the mercy of the forces in Haven.

SS how do you wish to proceed?

Stoklo I have TG'd you for a clarification

Im on MSN everytime I am on here just an FYI for everyone.

I see another RP doomed. A pity it will end just like all others where things go the way they are going here. Where OOC relations are obviously and sometimes not so obviously transposed to IC. Guess I won't try it anymore. I hope I am wrong though.

In before retcon