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I'll post my Factbook tomorrow after school, dealing with some English homework currently.

NO! HE'S MINE! -drags Dweladelfia away from Maldorians-

Damn. You stole my post. I was planning on having all the milestone posts, lol...

I'll post my Factbook tomorrow after school, dealing with some English homework currently.

Homework? Homework? Boy it sucks to be you.

You know, it's getting hard to think of names for Ambassadors now...at least I have both French and English names to use, though. And I have to keep track of them all for the diplomacy section of my nation...*sigh*

You know, it's getting hard to think of names for Ambassadors now...at least I have both French and English names to use, though. And I have to keep track of them all for the diplomacy section of my nation...*sigh*

Lol. Thats why I dont give names unless asked.

You know, it's getting hard to think of names for Ambassadors now...at least I have both French and English names to use, though. And I have to keep track of them all for the diplomacy section of my nation...*sigh*

Likewise, I have french names too, but I don't know many besides Jean...

Likewise, I have french names too, but I don't know many besides Jean...

Camille. Lafayette (M) Leodegrance (M)...google "French Baby Names"...nice and simple.

Oh, and you have a TG.

I'd like to take Croatia, if you'll allow.

You know, it's getting hard to think of names for Ambassadors now...
Grab a cricket-team! :)

Grab a cricket-team! :)

Chop and Change? Genius! Wait...do the french have a cricket team? Do they know what cricket is?

I'd like to take Croatia, if you'll allow.

NO! I dont!

Lol, jk. Welcome to AWOP.

A quick question and a clarification.

First, the clarification, as it may come off as pushy.
I don't know who's updating, and if they have been able to do so. But when I said "South Atlantic Islands" I also mean the Malvinas, however, seeing as it seems that they're split into the Malvinas and the other islands, I'd rather have the Malvinas.

Now, a question on the military factbook, the nations that I have chosen have quite different equipment, while they are all NATO compatible, they are not quite the same, and that would not make sense for a single nation, especially when one takes into account the Uruguayan military stock, which is quite old. So, may I eliminate some equipment types in exchange for increasing other types? and if so, do I increase the predominant type? or the best type? or whatever I want? (For example, as fighters go, do I use the Mirages, of which there are many in Argentina, or do I use the Tornado, of which there are a couple on the Malvinas?)

So, may I eliminate some equipment types in exchange for increasing other types?

I did that, just changed to British equipment. No-ones complained, so I think it's okay.

A quick question and a clarification.

First, the clarification, as it may come off as pushy.
I don't know who's updating, and if they have been able to do so. But when I said "South Atlantic Islands" I also mean the Malvinas, however, seeing as it seems that they're split into the Malvinas and the other islands, I'd rather have the Malvinas.

Now, a question on the military factbook, the nations that I have chosen have quite different equipment, while they are all NATO compatible, they are not quite the same, and that would not make sense for a single nation, especially when one takes into account the Uruguayan military stock, which is quite old. So, may I eliminate some equipment types in exchange for increasing other types? and if so, do I increase the predominant type? or the best type? or whatever I want? (For example, as fighters go, do I use the Mirages, of which there are many in Argentina, or do I use the Tornado, of which there are a couple on the Malvinas?)

Well, the map is DP's job, so...

Also, at the very beginning, you inherit exactly everything your nations have. However, once you start rping, you can buy and sell equipment (build too) and completly revamp your military.

Well, the map is DP's job, so...

Also, at the very beginning, you inherit exactly everything your nations have. However, once you start rping, you can buy and sell equipment (build too) and completly revamp your military.

Ah thanks, so, pre-RPing starts, our nations are exactly as they where before? Because I've noticed that there have been considerable political changes in other nations.

Also, at the very beginning, you inherit exactly everything your nations have. However, once you start rping, you can buy and sell equipment (build too) and completly revamp your military.

Does that mean I have to change my factbook, or can I just get away with making a post in the IC and claiming that I am changing? I've not got any militarization planned, and anything I would deploy would be within the British Army's numbers alone, so...

Does that mean I have to change my factbook, or can I just get away with making a post in the IC and claiming that I am changing? I've not got any militarization planned, and anything I would deploy would be within the British Army's numbers alone, so...

nah, just post in the IC thread.

Ah thanks, so, pre-RPing starts, our nations are exactly as they where before? Because I've noticed that there have been considerable political changes in other nations.

Well, not exactly. You only inherit the statistical stuff. Its in the rules. You bring in your own history and name and political system, etc.

nah, just post in the IC thread.

I love you, in that insane way that can only happen on II when you save someone hours of their life. Saves another few hours of research...you rock!

I love you, in that insane way that can only happen on II when you save someone hours of their life. Saves another few hours of research...you rock!

lol. No problem man.

I see no one likes Germany... as usual.

I see no one likes Germany... as usual.

I'm suprised Honako didn't contact you since you made the negative remarks about Russia.

I'm suprised Honako didn't contact you since you made the negative remarks about Russia.

Everybody obviously hates me.

Everybody obviously hates me.

I would contact you, but your statements don't sit well with POG.

I would contact you, but your statements don't sit well with POG.

No German Weaponry for anyone in POG then. We all know that German Weaponry is better then Russian Weaponry.

I'm using Leopard tanks already, I inherited them off Canada. Come play with us Western nations and ignore those silly POG'ers!

I'm using Leopard tanks already, I inherited them off Canada. Come play with us Western nations and ignore those silly POG'ers!

Leopard C2s, which are Canadian Variants of the Leopard 1. I am talking more about the Leopard 2A6 and PzH 2000 and the numerous H&K weapons.

No German Weaponry for anyone in POG then. We all know that German Weaponry is better then Russian Weaponry.

Yes thats exactly why T-34's pwned the mighty panzers...:p..not to mention with Isreal in POG we have acess to western equipment...which pwns all...:p

No German Weaponry for anyone in POG then. We all know that German Weaponry is better then Russian Weaponry.

Say, would you agree to working on a deal with our government to modify the Challenger II a bit? We need a 1500hp engine, and an L2 turret. Smoothbore. Naturally, you'll end up with a Challenger 2 Chassis, targeting systems, etc...

I'm using Leopard tanks already, I inherited them off Canada. Come play with us Western nations and ignore those silly POG'ers!

Lol. Your just scared. And the only German Equipment i use is the MP5, but I'm getting rid of that anyways.

Leopard C2s, which are Canadian Variants of the Leopard 1. I am talking more about the Leopard 2A6 and PzH 2000 and the numerous H&K weapons.

No, Canada has Leopard II's too.

Yes thats exactly why T-34's pwned the mighty panzers...:p..not to mention with Isreal in POG we have acess to western equipment...which pwns all...:p

T-34s were eventually outclassed by the Tiger I, Tiger II, and the Panther Tanks, which were basically kings of the Battlefied.

Israeli equipment is too focused on defense. German Equipment is focused on being just damn good. Especially since the HK 416 is considered the most reliable Assault Rifle ever.

No, Canada has Leopard II's too.

Not yet.

No, Canada has Leopard II's too.

Yeah, 2A4s. I doubt Germany would sell 2A6's anyways...

Say, would you agree to working on a deal with our government to modify the Challenger II a bit? We need a 1500hp engine, and an L2 turret. Smoothbore. Naturally, you'll end up with a Challenger 2 Chassis, targeting systems, etc...

Why would I want the Challenger 2 Chassis when the Leopard 2's is perfectly fine?

Well, we just need the bits to be honest. Making the Challenger 2 better. Needs a better engine, and a smoothbore gun.

T-34s were eventually outclassed by the Tiger I, Tiger II, and the Panther Tanks, which were basically kings of the Battlefied.

Israeli equipment is too focused on defense. German Equipment is focused on being just damn good. Especially since the HK 416 is considered the most reliable Assault Rifle ever.

Who's troops were in who's capital again... sure Germans have fine engineering but they cant mass produce anything...????..Israeli equipment holds its own..and seeing as POG influence now stretches over almost all of the middle east..I think POG will be fine..:p

Well, we just need the bits to be honest. Making the Challenger 2 better. Needs a better engine, and a smoothbore gun.

The engine that Leopard 2 runs on wouldn't fit in the Challenger 2 because of height difference. The smoothbore gun is easily do able. It depends on which smoothbore you want. The L44 or the L55. Both are 120mm.

and seeing as POG influence now stretches over almost all of the middle east..I think POG will be fine..

Nooo! Stop the rot dammit! I'm running out of places to procure extra oil from.

Who's troops were in who's capital again...

Whilst that may have been a "Zing!" moment, a lot was down to dodgy tactics - like Hitler taking the Me262 and wanting it to be a fighter-bomber rather than a fighter. That, and fighting Russia in the winter. Duh...Russia + Winter = Lots of men with 1 or no feet.

Nooo! Stop the rot dammit! I'm running out of places to procure extra oil from.

lol. I think that POG is finished growing. At least by the recruitment method. mwahahaha

The engine that Leopard 2 runs on wouldn't fit in the Challenger 2 because of height difference. The smoothbore gun is easily do able. It depends on which smoothbore you want. The L44 or the L55. Both are 120mm.

Hmm. Which is the better gun...and I'll just have to commission internal designers for the engine.

Who's troops were in who's capital again... sure Germans have fine engineering but they cant mass produce anything...????..Israeli equipment holds its own..and seeing as POG influence now stretches over almost all of the middle east..I think POG will be fine..:p

What the fuck are you smoking? Yes the soviets overran Berlin, but do you know how many Soviet Troops died compared to the Germans in that war? Over 10 Million Soviets died compared to Germanies 6 or 7 Million.

And The Germans can easily mass-produce anything. They are the world's leading exporter.

Hmm. Which is the better gun...and I'll just have to commission internal designers for the engine.

Both guns are basically the same. The L44 is the basis for the M256, the M1A1 Abrams' Gun, which is the basis for the Merkava's gun, while the L55 is the Leopard 2's current gun.

It's really your choice.

Yea, the Allies lost more men than the Axis, yet the Allies had China, US, UK, Russia, etc so they could make up for those losses. The Germans, although far superior in tactics and vehicles, didn't have the manpower to fight all of those people.

You never underestimate the Germans. Never.

What the fuck are you smoking? Yes the soviets overran Berlin, but do you know how many Soviet Troops died compared to the Germans in that war? Over 10 Million Soviets died compared to Germanies 6 or 7 Million.

And The Germans can easily mass-produce anything. They are the world's leading exporter.

Yea, the Allies lost more men than the Axis, yet the Allies had China, US, UK, Russia, etc so they could make up for those losses. The Germans, although far superior in tactics and vehicles, didn't have the manpower to fight all of those people.

Both guns are basically the same. The L44 is the basis for the M256, the M1A1 Abrams' Gun, which is the basis for the Merkava's gun, while the L55 is the Leopard 2's current gun.

It's really your choice.

Gah! I'll have no American cack on my tanks, damnit! We'll take the L55. I'll make a post regarding. Look to your Diplomacy thread...

Barronia, due to recent developments, you may get your own branch of Gründer Industries after all.

You never underestimate the Germans. Never.

I just did. They didn't have the manpower to fight three fronts.

I just did. They didn't have the manpower to fight three fronts.

Thats not underestimating them.

Thats not underestimating them.

I said I just did from my earlier post...<_<

I said I just did from my earlier post...<_<

Underestimating them is saying they can't fight against anyone and not have a chance of winning. What you did was not underestimating them, it was more of stating facts.

Underestimating them is saying they can't fight against anyone and not have a chance of winning. What you did was not underestimating them, it was more of stating facts.

Well then, why did you reply to my point saying to not underestimate them?

Nooo! Stop the rot dammit! I'm running out of places to procure extra oil from.

well see if the west wasn't giving off such a negative annotation towards POG..then perhaps we can keep oil prices low for you..but continued insults and the like will only jack the price of oil up...for you all of course..it will remain cheap for us POGers...seems as tho we have you "by the balls" as they say...Im not afraid of Abrams and Leopards that have no fuel to run off of...:p..I'm also amazed that Europe is simply bending over for North America..you're letting your former colonies rule you...have some dignity!

I'm having serious problems finding information about the assets of my nations RL model, Senegal. Any of you guys would have any source?

www.globalsecurity.com and then type in Senegal... or Senegal military... or just type in Senegal military on google... you should find something.

well see if the west wasn't giving off such a negative annotation towards POG..then perhaps we can keep oil prices low for you..but continued insults and the like will only jack the price of oil up...for you all of course..it will remain cheap for us POGers...seems as tho we have you "by the balls" as they say...Im not afraid of Abrams and Leopards that have no fuel to run off of...:p..I'm also amazed that Europe is simply bending over for North America..you're letting your former colonies rule you...have some dignity!

Between me and the Canadian union we have plenty of fuel to run off of.....

its seriously annoying... im sorry guys, dont want to sound too much like a noob, but theirs nothing on that website either.

and by the way, whats an acceptable governmental expenditure portion of the GDP? Wiki says anywhere from 30 to 70%, but whats the norm around?

thanks for the replies

its seriously annoying... im sorry guys, dont want to sound too much like a noob, but theirs nothing on that website either.

and by the way, whats an acceptable governmental expenditure portion of the GDP? Wiki says anywhere from 30 to 70%, but whats the norm around?

thanks for the replies

All I remember is that Senegal has one of the best trained militaries in Africa behind South Africa and some of the Northern African nations, so that should be a plus.

Here you go:

Military branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, National Gendarmerie, National Police (Surete Nationale)

Military manpower - military age: 18 years of age

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 2,218,920 (2000 est.)

Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 1,158,893 (2000 est.)

Military manpower - reaching military age annually:
males: 109,381 (2000 est.)

Military expenditures - dollar figure: $68 million (FY97)

Military expenditures - percent of GDP: 1.4% (FY97)

I'll find more if I can.

thats about all the info I had come up with too. I'm on the french website of the army and their absolutly no numbers!

anyone got any suggestion?

Use the stats I gave you, organize your military, and add vehicles, French most likely, according to your budget.

Between me and the Canadian union we have plenty of fuel to run off of.....

For a little bit at least...if the major oil producers decided that they were mad at you two, then shut off their exports to you, you wouldn't last long. Canada and the USA are the two highest oil consuming nations in the world, and you only produce so much. Not to mention prices would be upwards of like $7 a gallon. Just look at them now WITH foriegn imports. It's at $3 a gallon by me, so you two might end up having to start car-free weekends or something to conserve as much as possible.

Yes the two of you have enough to sustain yourselves in a peacetime...not in a large scale war tho...and even in peace time the your citizens will have to pay a hefty price

twenty-three million twenty-four thousand..Barrels you both CONSUME a day

ten million seven hundred forty-five thousand..amount of barrels you both can produce a day...

I don't really need to say anything more the numbers speak for themselves...there's over a 10 million difference between the amount you can churn out and the amount you use...you'll eat through your reserves quickly too..POG has you by the nuts so play nice or we'll squeeze :p

Yes the two of you have enough to sustain yourselves in a peacetime...not in a large scale war tho...and even in peace time the your citizens will have to pay a hefty price

twenty-three million twenty-four thousand..Barrels you both CONSUME a day

ten million seven hundred forty-five thousand..amount of barrels you both can produce a day...

I don't really need to say anything more the numbers speak for themselves...there's over a 10 million difference between the amount you can churn out and the amount you use...you'll eat through your reserves quickly too..POG has you by the nuts so play nice or we'll squeeze :p

Yup, he is right. Expecially if Shakal joins them. Norway exports oil below only Russia and Saudi Arabia.

Factbook--It still incomplete but I wanted to get something up. Fell free to post in Diplomacy in it.
Anything manufactured by Austria, Netherlands,Iceland, South Africa, or Marutitius is for sale.
I obviously cant sell items not produced in my nation.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12849682#post12849682

Yes the two of you have enough to sustain yourselves in a peacetime...not in a large scale war tho...and even in peace time the your citizens will have to pay a hefty price

twenty-three million twenty-four thousand..Barrels you both CONSUME a day

ten million seven hundred forty-five thousand..amount of barrels you both can produce a day...

I don't really need to say anything more the numbers speak for themselves...there's over a 10 million difference between the amount you can churn out and the amount you use...you'll eat through your reserves quickly too..POG has you by the nuts so play nice or we'll squeeze :p

Four words: North Sea and Venezuala.

Yes the two of you have enough to sustain yourselves in a peacetime...not in a large scale war tho...and even in peace time the your citizens will have to pay a hefty price

twenty-three million twenty-four thousand..Barrels you both CONSUME a day

ten million seven hundred forty-five thousand..amount of barrels you both can produce a day...

I don't really need to say anything more the numbers speak for themselves...there's over a 10 million difference between the amount you can churn out and the amount you use...you'll eat through your reserves quickly too..POG has you by the nuts so play nice or we'll squeeze :p

THats not including Anwar and other places that the US and canada havnt drilled yet...

THats not including Anwar and other places that the US and canada havnt drilled yet...

all my numbers came from the cia factbook..I can go look back up your total reserves..but even with them you'll eat through that in no time especially if you get into a massive conflict with us....fact remains we have the advantage....and you cant exactly just make up massive oil discoveries.....although handily for me a 7.5 billion barrel basin was found in RL off my coast....

all my numbers came from the cia factbook..I can go look back up your total reserves..but even with them you'll eat through that in no time especially if you get into a massive conflict with us....fact remains we have the advantage....and you cant exactly just make up massive oil discoveries.....although handily for me a 7.5 billion barrel basin was found in RL off my coast....

Your advantage is minor, because America and Canada only get 10 to 15% of their oil from the Middle East. They get it from more local sources like Canada, Mexico, and Venezuala.

Your advantage is minor, because America and Canada only get 10 to 15% of their oil from the Middle East. They get it from more local sources like Canada, Mexico, and Venezuala.

yes well if they have to pay a much higher price for their 10-15% then that will still hurt or if they suddenly lost 10-15% that would hurt even worse..not to mention a lot of European countries get more of their oil from the middle east...and again why are you Europeans bending over for the US and Canada !@QA where's your since of Nationalist pride!!!!!

yes well if they have to pay a much higher price for their 10-15% then that will still hurt or if they suddenly lost 10-15% that would hurt even worse..not to mention a lot of European countries get more of their oil from the middle east.

And alot of these European Countries can probably invade the oil rich regions quickly enough. A Middle-Eastern Country vs. a European One would be a short war.

Your advantage is minor, because America and Canada only get 10 to 15% of their oil from the Middle East. They get it from more local sources like Canada, Mexico, and Venezuala.

How much of the Middle Easts income is from that 10-15%?

It sounds to me like both parties have each other by the balls.

How much of the Middle Easts income is from that 10-15%?

It sounds to me like both parties have each other by the balls.

Not to mention how much they rely on the west for their Manufactured Goods.

Not to mention how much they rely on the west for their Manufactured Goods.

China especially with its growing need for oil..could easily take on a large chunk of that 10-15%..then with Japan and Russia..that would make up for the loss to the US and Canada..and China Russia and Japan can provide the middle east with manufactured products...and as for a European country invading the middle east well..then they'd have to deal with the other members of POG.....which would lead to ww3 and who wants that...? I also find it amusing that several smaller nations have expressed "fear" and are "terrified" of POG..jeez you make one little alliance and the entire world is walking on egg shells...

China especially with its growing need for oil..could easily take on a large chunk of that 10-15%..then with Japan and Russia..that would make up for the loss to the US and Canada..and China Russia and Japan can provide the middle east with manufactured products...and as for a European country invading the middle east well..then they'd have to deal with the other members of POG.....

The only members they'd have to worry about are Japan and the Russians. Everyone else relies mostly on mass numbers, IE China and India. You're in by no means in an unassailable position. There are other ways of making you crack.

Four words: North Sea and Venezuala.

Venezuela has passed its peak oil production.

Venezuela has passed its peak oil production.

Oh well, You can switch out Venezuala with Nigeria or something. My point is that you may control the Middle East, but you don't control the world's oil.

Candistan, are you in POG?

The only members they'd have to worry about are Japan and the Russians. Everyone else relies mostly on mass numbers, IE China and India. You're in by no means in an unassailable position. There are other ways of making you crack.

Im in the process of entirely revamping my military upgrading the lot..and thanks to my alliance with Kampfers and the shared technology clause in the POG treaty I just got access to every piece of western technology the west has given to the Israelis...god bless America indeed...

Oh well, You can switch out Venezuala with Nigeria or something. My point is that you may control the Middle East, but you don't control the world's oil.

we dont control all the worlds oil...we just control a very large portion of it..

Candistan, are you in POG?

Yes I am.

Im in the process of entirely revamping my military upgrading the lot..and thanks to my alliance with Kampfers and the shared technology clause in the POG treaty I just got access to every piece of western technology the west has given to the Israelis...god bless America indeed...

You do know that will take years right? America hasn't given much to the Israelis as of late. They make their own weapons now.

Im in the process of entirely revamping my military upgrading the lot..and thanks to my alliance with Kampfers and the shared technology clause in the POG treaty I just got access to every piece of western technology the west has given to the Israelis...god bless America indeed...

And not to mention i just sold him the DPR to my Gripen. :D

Gat, you have a TG. I sent it a while ago, but forgot to tell you 'till now.

You do know that will take years right? America hasn't given much to the Israelis as of late. They make their own weapons now.

Yes...and Israeli weapons are pretty damn good...not to mention a lot of my own technology isn't bad..China just hasn't produced out the numbers yet...and with Russia and Japan now supporting me I can speed up my process by quite a bit..

And not to mention i just sold him the DPR to my Gripen. :D

That was stupid. No country would willingly sell Rights to Produce an Airplane like that.

I quit. This earth will degenerate into a verbal sparring match. I can already feel it.

I quit. This earth will degenerate into a verbal sparring match. I can already feel it.

thats not the spirit...this is all OOC banter anyways...i dont carry over ooc things into my IC dealings..or rping...

I quit. This earth will degenerate into a verbal sparring match. I can already feel it.

Y? Im not going to argue anything. Give it more time first.

the only thing I argue in RP is when someone blatently god mods..in which case the mods will correct them..and typically I ask them to adjust their post first to where it is more reasonable.

thats not the spirit...this is all OOC banter anyways...i dont carry over ooc things into my IC dealings..or rping...

How many Earth's have you been apart of? I've been apart of atleast 6 or 7. Everyone of them, besides Earth V has died out. Why? Because it eventually turned into a situation where there were only two Sides, this made RPing unfun. In Earth V there are numerous sides, thus making Diplomacy Fun and almost as fun as War.

I see alot of the first situation here. A Group declars itselt and alliance, AKA the Gold Pact, alienating quite a large group of nations. That group of nations is either forced to make their own group or join the first group. You see where I am going with this?

hrmm...I see where your going...I will rethink my pact then as I really would like to have fun with this...

hrmm...I see where your going...I will rethink my pact then as I really would like to have fun with this...

Unless theres a a Genuine third party, not just a country or two, the fun is quickly dried up. The only option then is War to make it fun, which then leads to verbal sparring over Realism.

Unless theres a a Genuine third party, not just a country or two, the fun is quickly dried up. The only option then is War to make it fun, which then leads to verbal sparring over Realism.

I'll volunteer to start that 3rd party bloc with you Granate... if you wanted.

Well war is going to be inevitable...but it would be a lot of fun if we kept this earth going for quite awhile...instead of one massive empire thing or w/e..infact I wonder if it would be possible if we made AWOP like Permante...

I'll volunteer to start that 3rd party bloc with you Granate... if you wanted.

Who'd join us? Besides my position is really anti-Gold Pact, which would put me in the other group.

Who'd join us? Besides my position is really anti-Gold Pact, which would put me in the other group.

South America countries, maybe we could get some European ones to join as well... African ones if people ever claim Africa

South America countries, maybe we could get some European ones to join as well... African ones if people ever claim Africa

the whole having to use rl gdps and such keeps people from wanting anything in africa besides of course the noobs

South America countries, maybe we could get some European ones to join as well... African ones if people ever claim Africa

I beleive most of them would side with America and Canada, as would I. Really, making the third party isn't exactly as easy as making a third alliance.

I beleive most of them would side with America and Canada, as would I. Really, making the third party isn't exactly as easy as making a third alliance.

Well, I'm planning on staying neutral at the moment.

If it'll make Granate content, I'll go out on my own and enhance my power a bit, and make myself a large third Contender. I have the oil wealth, and I believe the ability to do just that.

Or I'll try at least....

I'm not going to rant around the world in an imperial way. I'm not going to invade nations just for the fun, or because they're in another "alliance".

I want this earth to be fun - and realistic. And due to that I'm convinced that diplomacy is very important.

I really don't want this earth to be a two-side conflict only. I want a lot of "independent" nations to have contact with. And besides I'm seeing the Pact of Gold as a purely defensive alliance for India's sake, in case we (or one of the other parts) are attacked.

Really, my intention from the start was to have good diplomatic connections with the most of the nations, and I still want to have at least normal relations with both America and Europe. India is not going to be a warmonger.

While I'm not begging Granate to stay, I just think you should give this a chance!

EDIT: And here's a good chart over the oil-flow in the world. Who imports from who? http://www.china-profile.com/data/fig_oil-trade_1.htm

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532139
Fact and Dip

In case it was missed.

well see if the west wasn't giving off such a negative annotation towards POG..then perhaps we can keep oil prices low for you..but continued insults and the like will only jack the price of oil up...for you all of course..it will remain cheap for us POGers...seems as tho we have you "by the balls" as they say...Im not afraid of Abrams and Leopards that have no fuel to run off of...:p..I'm also amazed that Europe is simply bending over for North America..you're letting your former colonies rule you...have some dignity!

Hey....I'm just trying to keep everyone alive :p

We need another mod, oh snap time to do the military section of my factbook now! :rolleyes: Anyway Grante, if you want people to side you, Kansiov would be happy to. :D

Dainel, can u get on MSN? I needa discuss the Car Bomb thing with u.

Dainel, can u get on MSN? I needa discuss the Car Bomb thing with u.

Can try...

Just a question. Is there anyone with a factbook that I haven't requested an embassy from?

I'm trying to request as factbooks pop up...so...

Just a question. Is there anyone with a factbook that I haven't requested an embassy from?

I'm trying to request as factbooks pop up...so...

I am actually ready to expand to your nation if you want right now, so just say if it's okay or not and I'll post something in yours.

I am actually ready to expand to your nation if you want right now, so just say if it's okay or not and I'll post something in yours.

Sure, sounds good. It's the factories up north that we want mind you, as it's falling apart.

Sure, sounds good. It's the factories up north that we want mind you, as it's falling apart.

I may be slowly moving away my branch Gründer Industries-Lachenburg to your nation due to its recent loss of investors there, so you will either get Mining and Manufacturing Technology Development or a new thing. If I have to start a new branch for anything, it would be propulsion, but I'll wait on it for a bit to see if my Lachenburg chapter will fail or not.

Well, if it was propulsion, we could always subsidise Chemistry, Physics and Engineering degrees in our Universities.

Candistan what about me? :( We our 2 Nations speak the same language, therefore invest here 1st :D!

Candistan what about me? :( We our 2 Nations speak the same language, therefore invest here 1st :D!

Most of it was because the other ones got there first. I can't just throw up chapters for any old reason, especially when I already have pretty much everything I need set up. I have Defense Technology in Gataway, Mining and Manufacturing in Lachenburg or soon-to-be Barronia, Telecomm and Transportation in Kopparbergs, and Energy and Chemicals in Kampfers. If you did have one, it would be more like a test site of some sort or maybe just some chapter devoted to bilogical research. I'm leaning towards the second one.

Finally updated my relation-o-meter in my factbook, if anyones interested.

Finally updated my relation-o-meter in my factbook, if anyones interested.

I bet I know where I am! :D

hi guys, see you had a nice little argument while I was gone. The reason I joined POG was because it gave me better stuff.

LoL he is friendly towards me woohoo!!! :D

hi guys, see you had a nice little argument while I was gone. The reason I joined POG was because it gave me better stuff.

Kampers what is POG? And i added u on MSN... but no reply :confused:

The reason I joined POG was because it gave me better stuff.

And other reasons...

LoL he is friendly towards me woohoo!!! :D

Actually, it was better than I expected. At least I was "unstable" in his. H-Town labels me "Hostile" lol. Silly Socialists :p

Im sorry but what is the difference between socialist and capitalist I forgot.

Candistan time for your Mr CEO to reveal his face! :upyours: ;)

Kampers what is POG? And i added u on MSN... but no reply :confused:

Pact of Gold. Grunder Industries, Granate/Gataway (Whichever is China), Kampf...

Im sorry but what is the difference between socialist and capitalist I forgot.

Capitalists usually have less taxes and the economy is more free at the expense of a percentage of the population being poor. Businesses are usually privatised instead of gov't owned.

Socialism has lots of taxes to fund more public services, making the population more equal and creating less poor people. Depending on how left it goes, the gov't may own only the main utility companies or own everything.

Candistan time for your Mr CEO to reveal his face! :upyours: ;)

Never!

And barronia, you forgot Futuris.

Capitalists usually have less taxes and the economy is more free at the expense of a percentage of the population being poor. Businesses are usually privatised instead of gov't owned.

Socialism has lots of taxes to fund more public services, making the population more equal and creating less poor people. Depending on how left it goes, the gov't may own only the main utility companies or own everything.

Ok that's what I thought because i Know that The US is capitalist and I think Sweeden is socialist.

Hmm I think I will stage a riot against the govt. and then have people fighting in my capital against the rioters with AK-47's

or should i reverse engineer the MiG-21 LanceR into my own jet and blow something up?Hmm hard decision.

I thought you were a poor island chain? I ain't investing in no reverse-engineering, rioting hellhole.

or should i reverse engineer the MiG-21 LanceR into my own jet and blow something up?Hmm hard decision.

Yeah, you gotta remember you don't have unlimited funds, and because of your latest purchases, I doubt you have much left.

MiG 21s? :rolleyes:

Never!

And barronia, you forgot Futuris.

Hey man, i'm on aim/msn now if you can get on.

Out of interest, do you think we should have a UN for AWOP? It strikes me as a good idea, what with the buildup of these power blocs that aren't really speaking to one another.

MiG 21s? :rolleyes:

Yeah, Also i dont have much money left but i do have 20 MiG-21 LanceR's that i can use for re-engineering. And also i never said I was building any.

Out of interest, do you think we should have a UN for AWOP? It strikes me as a good idea, what with the buildup of these power blocs that aren't really speaking to one another.

Good Idea. You can start it if you want.

Also, BHR, where are you getting all your money? I highly doubt you can afford everything you have done so far.

well POG was orginally for regional stability only..but since you silly westerners went and wet your pants over the whole idea and began giving us a negative tone and calling us threats likewise our sentiment towards you has plummeted..I second the motion for a UN...one rep from each nation?

you also forgot Kopp and Maldorians...and wandy...but i think hes making a new alliance

Out of interest, do you think we should have a UN for AWOP? It strikes me as a good idea, what with the buildup of these power blocs that aren't really speaking to one another.

Yeah I think that would be a good idea. But hey dont feel threatened at my new fighter because i dont have any and also i dont have any 15 megaton nuclear bomb.

Hey man, i'm on aim/msn now if you can get on.

I'll try, I have to install it on this computer since I'm working right now at my dad's. I'll tell you when It's up.

well POG was orginally for regional stability only..but since you silly westerners went and wet your pants over the whole idea and began giving us a negative tone and calling us threats likewise our sentiment towards you has plummeted..I second the motion for a UN...one rep from each nation?

Hey, you guys never got called a threat openly, that was all SIC between Dwel and I. Plus, I meant it economically and politically as well as militarily, a unified Asia could get a lot done in the world!

Anyway, I like the idea of one rep per nation. Security council?

Hey, you guys never got called a threat openly, that was all SIC between Dwel and I. Plus, I meant it economically and politically as well as militarily, a unified Asia could get a lot done in the world!

Anyway, I like the idea of one rep per nation. Security council?

Nah, I say no security council

Good Idea. You can start it if you want.

Also, BHR, where are you getting all your money? I highly doubt you can afford everything you have done so far.

I increased defence spending at the cost of education and i sold everything in my airforce when i took over and i also sold all the container ships i had.

Actually, it was better than I expected. At least I was "unstable" in his. H-Town labels me "Hostile" lol. Silly Socialists :p

I'd only label someone as Hostile if I there had been hostile actions taken (such as small incidences of surmishing, or you deporting all my citizens). Currently, it's just words.

And your Friendly Kansiov cause your Communist.

I'm suprised Honako didn't contact you since you made the negative remarks about Russia.

I have now. Stay Granate. I support the UN idea too, a good way to pursue relations without millions of conferences.

yes well if they have to pay a much higher price for their 10-15% then that will still hurt or if they suddenly lost 10-15% that would hurt even worse..not to mention a lot of European countries get more of their oil from the middle east...and again why are you Europeans bending over for the US and Canada !@QA where's your since of Nationalist pride!!!!!

Who's bending bending over for the US and Canada. There just a far more appealing option.

Can I join or is everything taken?

You can join. Read the OP...

EDIT: FUCK JOLT TIME WARP!

There's still room I think, just look at the claims list on page 1.

Can I join or is everything taken?

hey guys, I had originally claimed the Bahamas, and was really interested in joining this RP.

But I think that this may be moving along way to fast for me as a first endevour.

Plus, I wrote up a whole factbook but somehow got logged out and then it got lost when I tried to post :(

So I am going to step back from this one.

Can I join or is everything taken?

There's still a lot open.

Oh my my flipping calculations were off i thought i had 281 million to spend but i only had 28 million sorry i will delete the abrahms project

Where are your mercs going, Grunder?

Oh, and does Grunder Industries get a place on the UN? I would say no.

Can I join or is everything taken?

Just look at the map. There are a lot of open spots.

Where are your mercs going, Grunder?

Oh, and does Grunder Industries get a place on the UN? I would say no.

UN=United Nations, not United Industries

Where are your mercs going, Grunder?

Oh, and does Grunder Industries get a place on the UN? I would say no.

They are a nation. If they dont go in, then all of POG would probably stay out.

Where are your mercs going, Grunder?

Oh, and does Grunder Industries get a place on the UN? I would say no.

I agree and say no, as it's not a government but a corporation. This is nothing to do with the fact ICly my nation dislikes the Industries, as OOCly I have no problem with Candistan and merely starting our little tiff for some fun.

They are a nation. If they dont go in, then all of POG would probably stay out.

And they are a nation, they are like an oligarchy. While not a prototypical nation, they are one...

Where are your mercs going, Grunder?

Oh, and does Grunder Industries get a place on the UN? I would say no.

Oh, you'll see. It's all part of my plot to get around your silly little barriers. And Honako, I'm totally cool with all the IC stuff :). Its fun for all of us ranting at each other.

And they are a nation, they are like an oligarchy. While not a prototypical nation, they are one...

Just wait. I'll get around it.

They are a nation. If they dont go in, then all of POG would probably stay out.

If Candistan can find away to get around it, good - it's only fair and would make for my interesting UN "discussions". However, if he can't - which probably won't be the case - then that's the POG's loss if they don't go in I say, and would certainly not permit the inclusion of the industries.

While I'd IC'ly make a fuss against Grunder joining, I do agree OOC'ly that he should be there.

Kampfers, I'll TG you my plan. It's 100% perfect, sorta kills two birds with one stone.

Kampfers, I'll TG you my plan. It's 100% perfect, sorta kills two birds with one stone.

I'm scared :(

Good Gosh... Gone for half a day and theres 5 more pages... AGAIN!!!!!!! I dont wanna know what its gonna be like when I leave for a bit coming up.....

Question, as Morocco do I have control over the parts of Western Sahara I currently hold (it's in my history that I do).

Hey Kampf, The maps messed up..... Heres the link again. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-6-1-2.png

You might outta add Kuwait and United Arab Emirates to my claims, as I just conquered them. :)

You might outta add Kuwait and United Arab Emirates to my claims, as I just conquered them. :)

Huh? You can't just barge in without any resistance.

Huh? You can't just barge in without any resistance.

He wrote the thread, detailed some resistance etc. I was the only one to even query his actions and I'm not really in a position to do anything about it.

You might outta add Kuwait and United Arab Emirates to my claims, as I just conquered them. :)

WTH? Weres the thread? Weres a link to the thread in this thread? And who played the resistance? And WTH did it happen so fast... So no I'm not adding them to your claims until all of the above are done....

He wrote the thread, detailed some resistance etc. I was the only one to even query his actions and I'm not really in a position to do anything about it.

Ya... Resistance is gonna take allot longer than that.... And somebody needs to rp the resistance..... sry champ....

Pan Arab check ur Teligrams.....

WTH? Weres the thread? Weres a link to the thread in this thread? And who played the resistance? And WTH did it happen so fast... So no I'm not adding them to your claims until all of the above are done....

Its a rogue nation and very small. I figured that since a tank under normal circumstances could cross it in a matter of two days or so, it could be conquered relatively quickly without much resistance (Neither country has much of a military to put up resistance anyhow, trust me). It fell within a day in 1990, it'd do the same thing now. I figured that asking for a resistance for either country wouldn't be necessary until I tried it against something larger than Kuwait or the UAE.

See where I'm coming from? If someone wants to RP an insurgency I'd be glad to go through that with you, but otherwise it really isn't necessary...or frankly realistic. The Kuwaiti and Arab Armies would collapse at the mere mentioning of war.

Ya... Resistance is gonna take allot longer than that.... And somebody needs to rp the resistance..... sry champ....

Hey, it's not my invasion, I just pointed out that he did write a thread, not just declared he owned them.

Its a rogue nation and very small. I figured that since a tank under normal circumstances could cross it in a matter of two days or so, it could be conquered relatively quickly without much resistance (Neither country has much of a military to put up resistance anyhow, trust me). It fell within a day in 1990, it'd do the same thing now. I figured that asking for a resistance for either country wouldn't be necessary until I tried it against something larger than Kuwait or the UAE.

See where I'm coming from? If someone wants to RP an insurgency I'd be glad to go through that with you, but otherwise it really isn't necessary.

Ya, you need to have someone rp the resistance......

I am making a thread for the beginning of my glorious plot, so I will need somebody to be the two subjects of my plan.

Ya, you need to have someone rp the resistance......

Now, for me resistance can mean all kinds of things. Do you mean a Conventional military force fighting my invasion? Or a disorganized Civillian "Resistance"? Or hell, and Organized Civillian Resistance?

While the first option would not be very realistic as the Kuwaiti Army did not fight in the last war they were involved in, in 1989. They literally just threw down their guns and left their tanks. The others are more feasible, if only slightly more so.

Now, for me resistance can mean all kinds of things. Do you mean a Conventional military force fighting my invasion? Or a disorganized Civillian "Resistance"? Or hell, and Organized Civillian Resistance?

While the first option would not be very realistic as the Kuwaiti Army did not fight in the last war they were involved in, in 1989. They literally just threw down their guns and left their tanks. The others are more feasible, if only slightly more so.

Well that was 1989. Somebody just needs to rp the Kuwaiti government and military......

Can I get New Zealand?

Well that was 1989. Somebody just needs to rp the Kuwaiti government and military......

Very well then. If I make a new thread, will you handle it?

I can Rp Kuwait if you want.

I can Rp Kuwait if you want.

Very well then. Thanks dude. :)


I'll make a new thread and link you to it. :)

Most probally it will fall today lol ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12851292#post12851292


Here ya go Kanisov! Lets have some fun. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12851287#post12851287

My Loophole thread, I need someone to RP Saipan and Tinian.

So anyway, the UN. Worth it or not?

So anyway, the UN. Worth it or not?

Yes, otherwise half of my plan is useless :(

Oh my Gosh lol i saw the Kuwaiti military they have M1A2s! :eek:

I like what i see, however, I'm not quite sure where to start for this fact book business, perhaps a template and advice would be nice

Also if i can sort that I would like to claim Uganda

Oh my Gosh lol i saw the Kuwaiti military they have M1A2s! :eek:

Not many though. And their users aren't experianced in anything other than driving on parade. lol

Not many though. And their users aren't experianced in anything other than driving on parade. lol

Are you a member of Gold Pact?

Are you a member of Gold Pact?

Yes. However with the recent call for someone to form a third party, I'm considering revoking my status. Thats why I'm invading Kuwait, UAE, and later Yemen and Oman, Syria and Lebanon as well. So that I can have the economic, political, and military power to do this. I'll form the "Coalition of Allah".

Yes. However with the recent call for someone to form a third party, I'm considering revoking my status. Thats why I'm invading Kuwait, UAE, and later Yemen and Oman, Syria and Lebanon as well. So that I can have the economic, political, and military power to do this. I'll form the "Coalition of Allah".

Ah, I see.

Ah, I see.

Why do you ask mate?

Why do you ask mate?

Just wondering, you talked about forming a third partey before so I was wondering if you did.

Can anybody RP the Saipanese and Tinians for me? I made a very generous offer so I doubt it will take much out of your time to play them.

Not many though. And their users aren't experianced in anything other than driving on parade. lol

Sorry but your wrong they have um, 218 M-1A2s, 150 M-84 and 17 Chieftains
thats mainly about their tank force, their military size when reserves called up can be up to 85,000. I suggest overwhelm them with numbers cause these guys are trained by the US forces after the 1991 Gulf War.

Sorry but your wrong they have um, 218 M-1A2s, 150 M-84 and 17 Chieftains
thats mainly about their tank force, their military size when reserves called up can be up to 85,000. I suggest overwhelm them with numbers cause these guys are trained by the US forces after the 1991 Gulf War.

Perhaps I'm wrong about numbers, but skill wise, I doubt they are very good. Few countries which have recieved United States assistance in training have ever fought very effectively, save Israel which had a tough Military to begin with, and South Korea whose military was hard to begin with as well.

Perhaps I'm wrong about numbers, but skill wise, I doubt they are very good. Few countries which have recieved United States assistance in training have ever fought very effectively, save Israel which had a tough Military to begin with, and South Korea whose military was hard to begin with as well.

I think the element of surprise will be your best weapon, Kuwait is so small you might be able to finish up on him before he can mobilise most of his tanks. Reserves are probably out of the question.

Anybody...please. Go tot he Loophole thread and be the leader of them. I beggeth you.

LOL Kuwait spends 3.02 Billiob USD on Defense, this incluses 50,000 battle-ready reserves, the main reason why kuwait fell so easily in the 1991 Gulf war beacuse they didnt even put 0.1% of their GDP in Defense, but now its 5.6%

I think the element of surprise will be your best weapon, Kuwait is so small you might be able to finish up on him before he can mobilise most of his tanks. Reserves are probably out of the question.

He already lost that, numbers is the key for him now.

LOL Kuwait spends 3.02 Billiob USD on Defense, this incluses 50,000 battle-ready reserves, the main reason why kuwait fell so easily in the 1991 Gulf war beacuse they didnt even put 0.1% of their GDP in Defense, but now its 5.6%

Problem is that to mobilize reserves, takes at least 12 hours.

He already lost that, numbers is the key for him now.

He means the fact that I've already begun my assault before you could possibly move out that many troops and equipment. Your military would be caught off guard since there was no early warning of an attack.

Kuwait still has an active Airforce of 42 F-18s and 218 M1A2s and Land forces of 21,000 to hold you back long enough for 12 hours. And i have not included M-18s and Cheiftians along with 14 Mirage F1-CK/BK interceptors which i should already be in the air within the time-frame. WAit dont worry Kuwait will lose anyway.

Kuwait still has an active Airforce of 42 F-18s and 218 M1A2s and Land forces of 21,000 to hold you back long enough for 12 hours. And i have not included M-18s and Cheiftians along with 14 Mirage F1-CK/BK interceptors which i should already be in the air within the time-frame. WAit dont worry Kuwait will lose anyway.

lol

I am impressed at your research into the Kuwaiti military. The only error I believe you may have is time. I don't think they have the ability to get all those tanks out into the field, and those aircraft into the sky as fast as you have RPd, but thats ok, I don't really care anyhow lol


Just a thought, not one I'm going to dispute.

Kansiov, do me a favor. RP Saipan and Tinian real quick and I'll make a biological research center in your nation.

I'll rp them if you like?

Ok, then but i dont think Saipan has anything ;)

I really don't care who RP's them, as long as someone does. I just want to move on with my plan before we hit winter and the damn sea ices over.

Wow...it's been, what? 4 days? 5 days? And we already have someone quitting? And Granate? I mean, if anyone was to quit, Granate was the last person on my mind. Well, not the last, but close.

@Granate: Actually, not every single Earth (well, of the 6-7 that you've been in Granate, I've been in around 4) fell because of a "Two Alliances" thing that you were explaining. In fact, I want you to point to one instance of this happening.

SYAE - Inactivity
ESS - Alternate History
CW (where the idea of two alliances was central) - Alternate History
EFJ - I think it's really the one Imperialist Alliance taking out everyone else (yay Imperialism) and nobody doing a shit about it until it was too late. Not really a nations taking sides deal.

There might have been previous Earths that you have been a part of Granate that maybe fell to that reason - but not one that I've been in.

I agree that if it's just one big alliance taking everyone else out, one by one, and nobody giving a shit until it's too late, the Earth isn't fun. But from what I've seen here, it's basically the POG against the alliance that DP and Naasha are forming, and later, with other South American countries and Europe, which should be fun. If you want a third alliance, someone can make it - but two alliances against each other in my opinion would be fun. Nations that are neutral can either make their own alliance, or decide quickly to pick sides fast - if the alliances turn out to be imperialistic, whoever wins the WWIII (if it comes down to it...hehehe :p) will probably continue into colonizing the rest of the world.

I don't see what's not fun about it.

After all, it gives a chance for people coming late in the game (who are going to pick Africa...) to survive. They're not necessarily going to be noobs - hell, if they're good, if they are individually threatened by the POG, they can hold their own for a very long time. That's what such a Two-Alliance Earth, or even Three-Alliance Earth can do. Obviously, on their own, African countries, no matter how good their RPing, will, in the end fall, and their resistance prove futile. But that's when diplomacy comes into hand.

But whatever - if you want to leave, leave. We don't want somebody who whines about not liking the idea of a couple countries banding up together because he feels threatened. So far, instead of whining, the West has done something about it in IC actions that enhance the RP.

Now im whinning cause there is a war in Kuwait and no one is doing anything about it to help Kuwait :p.

Now im whinning cause there is a war in Kuwait and no one is doing anything about it to help Kuwait :p.

haha :D


I gotta admit man, you're putting up a hell of alot better resistance than I thought Kuwait was capable of. And it probably really isn't capable of it, but w/e, this is NS. ;) :P

I love the IC bickering between the Industries and the Socialists.

Now im whinning cause there is a war in Kuwait and no one is doing anything about it to help Kuwait :p.

I would but if you bought my mercenaries, by the time they got there it would be over and you probably wouldn't pay me if your nation doesn't exactly exist anymore lol.

I would but if you bought my mercenaries, by the time they got there it would be over and you probably wouldn't pay me if your nation doesn't exactly exist anymore lol.

One word. Insurgents.

I love the IC bickering between the Industries and the Socialists.

Yeah but it seems that the east has gone industrialist and the western nations are the socialists. Maybe it should be 'A World of Backwards'?

One word. Insurgents.

I'd love to have some insurgents...I won't pussy foot around tho like the US in Iraq..I'll just round up the natives put em on ships and say goodbye...besides not like I don't have enough citizens of my own to fill their places...:D

Yeah but it seems that the east has gone industrialist and the western nations are the socialists. Maybe it should be 'A World of Backwards'?

I still wanna know why Europe is willingly becoming the US and Canda's bitches lol

eh...I would have figured there would be more European nationalism..like there is in rl...

eh...I would have figured there would be more European nationalism..like there is in rl...

Europeans hate nationalism. And in real-life there isn't a huge group of countries allied against them.

again I love how everyone assumes pog allied against them..WE made no threats or any negative statements until AFTER both the west and Europe began with negative comments towards us.....and Europeans do not hate nationalism..they dislike it in an extreme form since it brought two world wars to them..Europeans however are very nationalistic...and who all quit anyways...?

PoG? Wth is that?

again I love how everyone assumes pog allied against them..WE made no threats or any negative statements until AFTER both the west and Europe began with negative comments towards us.....and Europeans do not hate nationalism..they dislike it in an extreme form since it brought two world wars to them..Europeans however are very nationalistic...

I may be mistaken but I'm rather sure The EU is mostly made up of European nations, who for the want of a better phrase are banding together in the exact opposite of nationalism. world government only sacrifices those nationalistic ideals. Although I wouldn't say they hate the idea.

they banded together to improve their economies and the like the Euro to match the mighty american dollar...although not so mighty anymore...they still bicker amongst eachother quite frequently and are still a bit nationalist...in their own right..

Pog..is the Pact of gold..an alliance with myself Fut..Grunder...Wandy...Kamp..Mal...and Kopp...that basically scared the rest of the world shitless and now they hate us..silly commies...its a failed institution give it up..:p

Can I get New Zealand?

Sure.

I like what i see, however, I'm not quite sure where to start for this fact book business, perhaps a template and advice would be nice

Also if i can sort that I would like to claim Uganda

Yep.

So that leaves me isolated alone in Asia, eh?

they banded together to improve their economies and the like the Euro to match the mighty american dollar...although not so mighty anymore...they still bicker amongst eachother quite frequently and are still a bit nationalist...in their own right..

Pog..is the Pact of gold..an alliance with myself Fut..Grunder...Wandy...Kamp..Mal...and Kopp...that basically scared the rest of the world shitless and now they hate us..silly commies...its a failed institution give it up..:p

Along with other things yes, especially to assist in rebuilding from the war. But the point of it all is that it wouldn't have been possible if Europe was a nationalistic paradise, or was today, for the EU to work.

Anyway TG's for Granate, Ambrose Douglas, Kasinov, and Carlo, along with a few others.

Ok, Candistan, I'll Rp those islands for you. That ok with everyone?

I haven't recieved one.

Personally, I think it would be awesome if the alliances continued going by continent, with 1 for every continent. And yes, 2/3 of my nation is in the middle east which is technically part of Asia, and I am in the Asia alliance.

Europeans hate nationalism. And in real-life there isn't a huge group of countries allied against them.

I'd agree with that generally, in RL. I've never really met many nationalistic people in the UK.

No one is bending over for America as you so kindly put it. Some of us are trying to pursue good relations with at least one superpower/emerging superpower. And I for one am not scared of the POG, even though I’m a smaller power.

And to be honest, I don’t think Europe – not that I can say – is anyway near as worried about your alliance as America (DP).

Oh, and Granate - I know your not socialist, but I want relations with you cause you expressed a bad opinion of the Industries basically. :D

Go ahead, Kampfers.

I haven't recieved one.

Really I send you another one, very shortly.

Alliances by continent are lame...then its just a bunch scabs sitting in corners building up until a wankfest occurs.

You need neutral nations, and allies who sit right next to adversaries.

This eliminates the Umbrella of protection syndrome.

Which is exactly why I didn't choose a big pile of dog shite nations...well Mauritius is kind of dog shite nation but its got nice scenery and a decent GDP per Capita.

Alliances by continent are lame...then its just a bunch scabs sitting in corners building up until a wankfest occurs.

You need neutral nations, and allies who sit right next to adversaries.

This eliminates the Umbrella of protection syndrome.

Which is exactly why I didn't choose a big pile of dog shite nations...well Mauritius is kind of dog shite nation but its got nice scenery and a decent GDP per Capita.

I'd join one and I know a few others who'd be interested.

Big alliances for every contintent - I agree with Skibereen. I think its far more interesting if we all just chose who we wish to side with, some nations go it alone but co-operate with others (like I plan to do hopefully with Canada...) and generally we take it how we want, some remaining neutral maybe and others nearby to big alliances doing that to annoy them, without the horrible pressure of major alliances.

Plus, if we do have five or so big alliances then everyone will just tip toe around each other. We'd all be scared to start World War III.

Anyway, not that what I say matters. In the end this earth will probably go that way and even me, the loudmouth Socialist no one wants, will have to join some kind of pact to protect myself.

Lol. My plan was to play both sides, Russia and the Med sea, but both sides kept calling my bluffs and forced my hand. Thats how I ended up on Asias side.

I'd join one and I know a few others who'd be interested.

Yeah, and your point would be what? Because if that was intended to make me alter my opinion of boring little cloisters of nations partitioned off in a completely unrealistic fashion just building up for some giant circle jerk of warfare then ...it didn't succeed. If ten thousand people said they would be happy to set their own heads on fire for entertainment I wouldn't do that either. I havn't even bothered to see who the nations I am trying to ally with are allied too themselves...I don't care...I want to have conflicting allies, and conflicting adversaries.

I have done the whole stat up a giant military and bash it against some else's giant military...its boring. It is only remotely fun with the very best of role players who actually have a genuine grasp of military strategy and tactics and take into account all manner of possibilities and probabilities.

I don't see this as being that group...I see super blocs and being a death knell for this RP. I have been in dozens of earths and alternate worlds...I would like this to last as the set up seems very interesting I would hate to see this fall into the same old trap.

Not trying to be a wet blanket or anything mate I am just putting my opinion out there for consideration...super blocs speed up the death of an RP.

At least permanent ones do.

Candistan - did you effectively just pay $10 billion to join the UN :D

Candistan - did you effectively just pay $10 billion to join the UN :D

Um...kinda? lol. The money went to the treasury of COSAT, who now, conveniently under control of Viceroy Rovanovic, get to spend it making the nicest port and docking facilities on this side of the Pacific. Ha!

Hey, honako, i just TGed you.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532212 - The Secret Struggle For Power. Mysterious.

Oh, yeah, there is a random flag on the top of the page as it looked so grey I wanted to put in some colour...

hey, since i got new zealand, do i have to use the NZ parlinmentary democracy or can I do something else?

Yeah, and your point would be what? Because if that was intended to make me alter my opinion of boring little cloisters of nations partitioned off in a completely unrealistic fashion just building up for some giant circle jerk of warfare then ...it didn't succeed. If ten thousand people said they would be happy to set their own heads on fire for entertainment I wouldn't do that either. I havn't even bothered to see who the nations I am trying to ally with are allied too themselves...I don't care...I want to have conflicting allies, and conflicting adversaries.

I have done the whole stat up a giant military and bash it against some else's giant military...its boring. It is only remotely fun with the very best of role players who actually have a genuine grasp of military strategy and tactics and take into account all manner of possibilities and probabilities.

I don't see this as being that group...I see super blocs and being a death knell for this RP. I have been in dozens of earths and alternate worlds...I would like this to last as the set up seems very interesting I would hate to see this fall into the same old trap.

Not trying to be a wet blanket or anything mate I am just putting my opinion out there for consideration...super blocs speed up the death of an RP.

At least permanent ones do.


Not at all, perhaps this is the case, I must say that mainly for Earths i have been in were historical Rp's and that problem never arose.

My point is though that when one super block arises it is inevitable that another must rise or the world is wiped out. I have seen Earths end that way at least. That's why the North Americans are forming their own, at this point. At this point in time most of the continents are divided already into their super blocks, Asia obviously, and the West seem like coming together. At least another alliance would be strung out not much choice in that at least halting the Umbrella Defense you mention. I was more into thinking of a defensive alliance, a sting of mutual protection pacts dissuading the inevitable massive alliance picking apart their targets.

I wouldn't know about the fun of the game being detracted from but at this point I do see the need for protection, against said evil and all consuming power blocks. I honestly can't say how interesting it is to be part of a massive war encroaching through the means of conflicting interests and spheres of influence, though I really think I may be an expert on being beaten down by the neighbors. I personally would rather try for the unknown in this instance then face another brutal beating.

Please ignore the second paragraph it is only weak conjecture to prove a feeble point on which I have no grounds to speak of. But it sort of bolsters the second so meh..

hey, since i got new zealand, do i have to use the NZ parlinmentary democracy or can I do something else?

READ THE RULES! YOU USE YOUR NS NATIONS GOVERNMENT DAMMIT!

NOTICE: Nations without factbooks will be purged one week after they joined if no factbook has been posted. Nations with factbooks will be purged after 2 weeks of inactivity, unless the mods are notified.

Guys, make a factbook. It's not that hard.

New map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-6-1-2-1.png

My factbook is up but the front page has not been updated yet. If you could, put the link I provided in there so that you know I have my factbook completed and so people can find it more easily.

now i have 300 posts can i expand to Serbia

now i have 300 posts can i expand to Serbia

Read the rules.....

New map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-6-1-2-1.png

The Canary Islands is not coloured in if you could please do that next time :), and also, do I control the part of Western Sahara that Morocco "controls" currently?