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A World of Promise: AWOP

Today is July, 2008!
IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531889)

Introduction to AWOP
In my life on the NS board I have been a part of a few different earths that I have created, or joined. In this experience 2 problems have plagued me.

The First is, there’s not enough land to go around. To many people hog lots of land and leave none for anyone else, which leaves 5 major super powers on the earth with no smaller nations. This ends up in a very boring roleplay. One of my goals in starting AWOP is to stop this problem. I have a few ideas that I have seen used of how to stop this. One of them is limited claim points. An example of this is: the US and the other large nations would cost the total amount of claim points allotted. Smaller nations would cost less and could be combined. This stops nations from claiming a large plot of land and then 5 other smaller ones, which makes a huge godlike nation, and results in a dull RP.

The Second problem is Earths of Inactivity. I've seen and been a part of many earths that started and then died within the course of a few weeks, making all the hard work that was put into them wasted. AWOP will be an active one by having more interesting roleplays and having more than just war and annexation roleplays. I want the earth to be a fun enjoyable experience not just a dry one.

AWOP is going to be the answer to these problems. Along with my Co-Mod Kampfers. We wish to create A World of Promise that stays active and interesting. All we need is YOU! We need active roleplayers to start this world off and to make interesting roleplays. You are the most important aspect of AWOP. So look up how many claim points you have. And claim your land. And Stay active. Most of all, HAVE FUN!!!

Dweladelfia Prime
Co-Mod AWOP
THE RULES
1) Absolutely no godmoding. If there are multiple occurrences of godmoding, you will be kicked from the earth.
2) The nations you claim will be YOUR nation. It will have your NS government, name, flag, etc.
3) To maintain the alternate history rules, you will keep your claimed nations RL GDP, Population, Technology, Land, and Military. All of these may be increased through proper roleplay, but by no other means.
4) You must follow the points system when claiming nations. You WILL NOT get more points. Don’t ask. If you increase from one post rank to another in the course of his world, you will not receive more points.
5) Territories are not claimed when you claim a nation. For example, you don’t get the Azores if you claim Portugal. The same goes for city-states like Vatican City
6) You MUST create a Factbook. It tells us who your leaders are at the bare minimum. If you do not have a factbook after 1 week, you will be kicked regardless of wether or not you have notified the moderators.
7) If you prove not to be active, you will be kicked. You have 2 weeks of inactivity before such measures will be taken, unless one of the moderators is notified.
8) Finally, obey the mods and have fun.
9) If your defense budget is unrealistic (over 7%) or if you have an unrealistically sized army, then you must have drawbacks as well, such as a crumbling infastructure.
10) 1 RL Day = 1 AWOP month

Points System:
You will get the number of points allotted below. From those points, you will claim nations on this map (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/e6-3.jpg). This system was created to have reward more active roleplayers, which should in turn produce a more active world. It is not unfair to less active roleplayers though, and even relatively new players can get a fair number of points.

1000+ posts: 10 points
900-999: 9 points
800-899: 8 points
700-799: 7 points
600-699: 6 points
500-599: 5 points
400-499: 4 points
300-399: 3 points
200-299: 2 points
0-199: 1 point

Maps:
Claims:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/e6-3.jpg
Nations:
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/360/awoptb4.png

Nations/Factbook:

Dweladelfia Prime (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12839857#post12839857)): United States

Kampfers (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531810)): Egypt, Israel, Lebanon

H-Town Tejas (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531816)): Peru, Bolivia

Pan-Arab Barronia (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12843071)): United Kingdom, Belgium

Granate (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531819)): Germany, Poland, The Czech Republic, Slovakia

Waldenburg 2 (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531887)): Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria

Shakal (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12840288#post12840288)): Sweden, Norway, Finland

Gataway (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531821)): China

Carloginias (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532083)): Vietnam, Phillipines

Ambrose Douglas (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531900)): Columbia, Panama

Gründer Industries (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531872)): Russia

Die Zweiten Reich (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12846211#post12846211)): Kalingrad

Futuris (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532097)): Japan, Indonesia

Ok-La-Ho-Ma (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531881)): Cote D'Ivoire, Burkina Faso

Kanisov (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531953)): Ukraine, Moldova

Wanderjar (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531873)): Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Jordan

Corbournne: Italy, Tunisia, Balearic Islands

Honako (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531888)): Spain, Portugal, Morrocco, Malta

Lachenburg (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531904)): France, Luxembourg, Switzerland

Kopparbergs (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531912)): India, Myanmar/Burma

Vicisse (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532014)): Senegal

Donaghadee Golf Club (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531971)): Romania

Bull Horns Rule (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532026)): Comoros Islands

Vetalia (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532034)): Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Denmark

Skibereen (Factook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532139)): South Africa, Mauritius, Netherlands, Iceland, Austria

Naasha (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532081)): Canada

Franberry (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532214)): Argentina, Uruguay, South Atlantic islands

Jaredcohenia (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532112)): Brazil, Paraguay, Guyana

Barkozy: Croatia

New Brittonia: New Zealand

Uaegoslavia: Uganda

Drunken Pagan Weirdos (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532277)): Taiwan

Droskianishk (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532501)): Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan

Incursis (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12883507&posted=1#post12883507)): Ghana

Canadstein: Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan

The Cassiopeian Commonwealth (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532775)): Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Rep, Bahama, Mexico

Animarnia (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532827)): Australia, Papua New Guinea, Mascarene Islands, French Southern and Antartic lands.

Amazonian Beasts: Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, and Cambodia

Spizana (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532337)): Congo (both), Nigeria, Cameroon

Kroando (Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12883603#post12883603)): Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Libya

I'd like Peru and Bolivia, if that's possible.

I'd like Peru and Bolivia, if that's possible.

That's perfect.

I'll be claiming Australia if thats all good with you...even though I could claim russia, china, kazahkstan, and mongolia...I wont.

I'll be claiming Australia if thats all good with you...even though I could claim russia, china, kazahkstan, and mongolia...I wont.

Uh how.... you can only have 10 claim points max. But Confirmed. Auzi it is!

I'll be claiming Australia if thats all good with you...even though I could claim russia, china, kazahkstan, and mongolia...I wont.

Sure thing.

Mind if I claim the UK and Belgium?

Mind if I claim the UK and Belgium?

No problem man.

I'll take New Zealand (for convenience's sake, since my nation occupies it anyways), as well as Syria, Burma, and Madagascar.

I'll take Germany, Poland, The Czech Republic, and Slovakia.

I'll take New Zealand (for convenience's sake, since my nation occupies it anyways), as well as Syria, Burma, and Madagascar.

You've been added. Map update underway.

Since my geography does not change in AWOP from regular RP, may I use the same factbook?

Since my geography does not change in AWOP from regular RP, may I use the same factbook?

Your GDP, Population, and Military are those of your claimed countries.

Your GDP, Population, and Military are those of your claimed countries.

Exactly. As long as your GDP, Population, and Military are those of your claimed countries. Then your fine.

I'll take Germany, Poland, The Czech Republic, and Slovakia.

Confirmed

I'll take Germany, Poland, The Czech Republic, and Slovakia.

Added.

Since my geography does not change in AWOP from regular RP, may I use the same factbook?

Unfortunately, no. You need to use the RL Population, GDP, Military, and Tech, which is not in your factbook. Remeber, you can change your military, tech, GDP, etc, but only by roleplaying.

Map complete pending Granate

If allowed I'd like to claim Turkey, Bulgaria and Greece, as the Waldenburg Empire.

WHOA. HOLD-UP!

This Earth we use the nations current tech and military right? Well, Dwelf is using Gerald R. Ford Class Carriers, not to mention the currently under construction George H. W. Bush Carrier, which are still being planned. He's also using F-35s which aren't scheduled to be introduced until after 2011.

WHOA. HOLD-UP!

This Earth we use the nations current tech and military right? Well, Dwelf is using Gerald R. Ford Class Carriers, not to mention the currently under construction George H. W. Bush Carrier, which are still being planned. He's also using F-35s which aren't scheduled to be introduced until after 2011.

He's editing that. Hes using something hes used before apparantly, and just c&p. So give him a few minutes before jumping on his case. Let him finish before getting angry...

WHOA. HOLD-UP!

This Earth we use the nations current tech and military right? Well, Dwelf is using Gerald R. Ford Class Carriers, not to mention the currently under construction George H. W. Bush Carrier, which are still being planned. He's also using F-35s which aren't scheduled to be introduced until after 2011.

Im still editing my post.... Not using those... gosh.... lol Im using my post from another earth I have to edit that all out.

If allowed I'd like to claim Turkey, Bulgaria and Greece, as the Waldenburg Empire.

Sure thing.

I'll take Mexico.

On second thought, you can take me off the list. I was unaware that I wouldn't be able to use my own factbook and I really don't want to use present day Australia's stats.

Yeah, if I have to change all those stats, count me out. Sorry, guys.

On second thought, you can take me off the list. I was unaware that I wouldn't be able to use my own factbook and I really don't want to use present day Australia's stats.

Yeah, if I have to change all those stats, count me out. Sorry, guys.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Exhibit A and B of why reading is a good thing

On second thought, you can take me off the list. I was unaware that I wouldn't be able to use my own factbook and I really don't want to use present day Australia's stats.

Yeah, if I have to change all those stats, count me out. Sorry, guys.

Ok guys, sorry to see you go...

Map. (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5238/blankmapworldxr6.png) You can thank me later.

yea if it wasnt for having to use the real countries stats I would deff be in this..

I'll take Mexico.

confirmed.

On another note, its not that hard to make a new factbook. Just copy your nations government, then just get the base economy stuff from CIA's world factbook and c&p...

yea if it wasnt for having to use the real countries stats I would deff be in this..

You know why that would be bad? Because a Nation from 03 could join and would then proceed to wipe the floor with every single nation out there.

You'll have to give me a day or two for my factbook folks...I'm cream crackered at the moment.

Sweden, Norway, Finland. Thank you ahead of time.

You'll have to give me a day or two for my factbook folks...I'm cream crackered at the moment.

Yeah, well your not one of the people I'm worried about. Don't worry about it, just get to it soon.

I will (or DP) create a general IC thread tommorow at the earliest. This will give more people time to make claims and make their factbooks.

Sweden, Norway, Finland. Thank you ahead of time.

But of course. Welcome to AWOP.

okay well then Give me China if its not taken yet...

okay well then Give me China if its not taken yet...

Confirmed, man.

I'm just gonna use Germany's army and stuff. It's alot easier for me then.

Ok, I know I only have 389 posts on this account, but, before the April Fool's thing that created my mod account, I had 228 posts on Corbournne, so is it ok if I use the combined points for a claim?

If so, I'll take Japan.

Otherwise, I guess I'll think something else up.

Posts on NS boards? I frequent off-site NS boards and that will give me well over 1,000 posts. Links can be provided, but if only NS posts

Off sites with LInks included- EDIT- Not US. -- India, Oman claim

Only NS- Vietnam and Phillipines.

Posts on NS boards? I frequent off-site NS boards and that will give me well over 1,000 posts. Links can be provided, but if only NS posts

Off sites with LInks included- US

Only NS-

The US has already been claimed. Damnit, doesn't anyone read the front page anymore?

Sorry guys, only NS posts... And the US is taken

And I have no clue what your talking about Courbournne

Sorry guys, only NS posts... And the US is taken

And I have no clue what your talking about Courbournne

Uhm, well, you must not have been made a "regional mod."

Search for posts by Corbournne...

I had edited. Dwel's claims were bolded so I accidently overlooked them.

Alright, I gotta go.

Japan.

Or, if tEh undeniable evidence that I did indeed have an old account is ignored, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

OK, Carlo, your confirmed, but I'm watching you.

Also, Courbourrnne, deal with it. I'm sorry.

Corbournne;12840217']Alright, I gotta go.

Japan.

Or, if tEh undeniable evidence that I did indeed have an old account is ignored, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

Veitnam is taken. And even if you do have an old account, why don't you use it instead, eh?

Yea for the glorious Imperial Kingdom..Asia will be mine!

I'll take the nations of Columbia and Panama.

Shakal Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12840288#post12840288)

Gataway Factbook/Diplomacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531821)

Asia seems to be a lonely part of the world =\

I'll take Russia. I guess I'll be the same type of "goverment" as I am in EFJ, a big Corporation. Is it allowed to be renamed to fit its location? Or do I need to stick with 'Schroeder Corp.'?

If you dont mind I wish to claim Kalingrad. (The one part just north of Poland)

May I also inquire as to why Denmark is a 5? Unless im reading it wrong.

My guess would be because Denmark controls the straight allowing ships in or out of the Baltic sea or out into the Atlantic

My guess would be because Denmark controls the straight allowing ships in or out of the Baltic sea or out into the Atlantic

I never thought of that.

Can we have Asian peace, Gata?

Well I did plan on holding a conference with all the major Asian powers Myself India Japan and Russia..I suppose however I can invite the smaller Asian nations as well...most of my attention will be turned towards securing a source of oil since I have to import a lot of it..and drilling and such for my own oil..and finding other methods of energy production..anyways you have nothing to worry about if your concerned over me attacking you..I will be using diplomacy and intimidation on the middle east for their precious oil..

We have no Japan player.

Is it safe to assume my claim is finalized?

Im not a mod but I dont see why you wouldn't get your claims.

We have no Japan player.

Im sure someone will claim Japan...and Russia..

I'd like to have Russia if noone else has already claimed it.

Nice to know I have someone I like as my Russian Neighbor

I'm playing as China by the way..I think we should ally..I'll use my monster economy to help jump start the Russian war machine and together the world shall ph33r us :mp5::mp5::mp5:

Nice to know I have someone I like as my Russian Neighbor

I'm playing as China by the way..I think we should ally..I'll use my monster economy to help jump start the Russian war machine and together the world shall ph33r us :mp5::mp5::mp5:



Ah, but who said that I actually liked you?


;) I am kidding, I am kidding.

oh well in that case I guess I will have to ally with the west..and keep you in the post cold war era for eternity =P

and whoever claims France...You will be the first thing I annex..and then I will sell your lands to the Germans....

oh well in that case I guess I will have to ally with the west..and keep you in the post cold war era for eternity =P

and whoever claims France...You will be the first thing I annex..and then I will sell your lands to the Germans....


Hmm....or I could be intelligent and tap the massive amounts of oil stuck under Siberia, and then instantaneously become more prosperous than you. Not to mention be able to then cheaply fuel my Armored Legions...

You know what sucks... I have two countries in this earth and the same strategic position I do in EFJ (the Panama Canal)... yet with just two countries, my GDP is over $140 billion higher... damn. lol

EDIT: I'm going to hold off on my factbook until my claim in finalized... pretty much the same as EFJ anyways, just have to change some minor details... I'll probably keep my military the same as once in finally finish it for EFJ, lol. Maybe I'll add a few more ships, who knows.

Hmm....or I could be intelligent and tap the massive amounts of oil stuck under Siberia, and then instantaneously become more prosperous than you. Not to mention be able to then cheaply fuel my Armored Legions...

You are already more prosperous in a way. Most of your people aren't in Poverty like his.

But what about me wandy? I thought you loved me?

You are already more prosperous in a way. Most of your people aren't in Poverty like his.


True, true. Trust me, I've been to Russia, I know all too well lol

But what about me wandy? I thought you loved me?

Oh I do. You just haven't made an appearance in this thread until now (While I've been involved that is), thus I haven't had anything to say to you yet ;)

Oh I do. You just haven't made an appearance in this thread until now (While I've been involved that is), thus I haven't had anything to say to you yet ;)

Thats what you say after we make love to? WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR RELATIONSHIP??? :D

Thats what you say after we make love to? WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR RELATIONSHIP??? :D

And add that to the list of "Shit I Never Needed To Know on NS"

Thats what you say after we make love to? WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR RELATIONSHIP??? :D

...it...it...its been falling apart. *Runs off crying*


*Runs past Ambrose-Douglas*

What? What! Never seen a grown Prussian cry? *Continues running*

...it...it...its been falling apart. *Runs off crying*


*Runs past Ambrose-Douglas*

What? What! Never seen a grown Prussian cry? *Continues running*

*Shakes head* No.. no I haven't... I thought those tears were just vodka finding new holes to seep out of. I guess I was wrong.

*Shakes head* No.. no I haven't... I thought those tears were just vodka finding new holes to seep out of. I guess I was wrong.

*Turns around with glare of anger*

NO! No self-respecting GERMAN man drinks vodka! Vodka is for the Russian enemy! I am a PRUSSIAN man! We are superior!

*Begins to run away again*


;)

Wanderjar, check TGs.

*backs out of room slowly*

*Shakes head* No.. no I haven't... I thought those tears were just vodka finding new holes to seep out of. I guess I was wrong.

Just to say, he like to drink good old fashioned beer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know... it's almost 3 am over here... that P looked a lot like an R, ok? Sue me. lol

*Turns around with glare of anger*

NO! No self-respecting GERMAN man drinks vodka! Vodka is for the Russian enemy! I am a PRUSSIAN man! We are superior!

*Begins to run away again*


;)

Hey. I'm 75% German and I love Vodka. It's the only Alcohol I'll drink actually.

Hey. I'm 75% German and I love Vodka. It's the only Alcohol I'll drink actually.


Burn him at the stake!

Hey. I'm 75% German and I love Vodka. It's the only Alcohol I'll drink actually.

Meh, I like whisky myself, keeps the body warm when my boyfriend isnt around. :p

Meh, I like whisky myself, keeps the body warm when my boyfriend isnt around. :p

I personally don't drink, which is ironic for a German lol

Between my Irish and German, that's 50% of my heritage... so... I drink people under the table all the time... and for some reason I'm amazing at beer pong, lol

Russia please, just Russia ;)

EDIT: Run Through the whole thing, I saw someone claiming Russia, im going for Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova instead.

German here. I've never tasted a drop of liquor and don't plan to.

I'll claim Japan and Indonesia.

Damn. There went Indonesia. -Yawn- Tired going to sleep,.

Wandy Wandy Wandy...I am stunned lol...I am Scottish/German..I drink..even tho the law forbids it...

well the whole oil bit is why my first few things will be to build infrastructure and power plants..which creates a lot of jobs..giving my people money..and assisting them on getting out of poverty...without using welfare..while also improving travel and commerce throughout my lands.. :)..doing all that while talking with (or intimidating) the middle eastern countries into giving me oil cheaply and drilling off my coast there is that nice 7.5 billion barrel field they discovered not to long ago :)..I also have nice economic leverage over the west far more so than you...silly Russians...

Hang on. I claimed Russia before anyone else did last night. Look on the 4th page.

EDIT: Here's the postcount: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12840392&postcount=51

well then..I suppose after conformation from the mods I will make a conference thread..those invited will be

Russia..Japan..India(if its claimed)...Indonesia...Vietnam..Philippines...Pakistan..North Korea and South Korea (If they are separate countries).Mongolia.Pakistan..(and those lil countries)...and maybe Australia..

I would like to join and would request Cote D'Ivoire

I would like Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangledesh, please.

I'll take the nations of Columbia and Panama.

Sure thing.

Shakal Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12840288#post12840288)

Added

Gataway Factbook/Diplomacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531821)

Asia seems to be a lonely part of the world =\

Added

I'll take Russia. I guess I'll be the same type of "goverment" as I am in EFJ, a big Corporation. Is it allowed to be renamed to fit its location? Or do I need to stick with 'Schroeder Corp.'?

Added. It doesnt matter.

If you dont mind I wish to claim Kalingrad. (The one part just north of Poland)

Added.

I'd like to have Russia if noone else has already claimed it.

Already claimed. I'm giving you A few other nations though, since wez cool. If you don't want them just tell me.

Russia please, just Russia ;)

EDIT: Run Through the whole thing, I saw someone claiming Russia, im going for Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova instead.

You dont have enough points, but if you remove Belarus you do, so you are added with Moldova and the Ukraine.

I'll claim Japan and Indonesia.

Added.

Hang on. I claimed Russia before anyone else did last night. Look on the 4th page.

EDIT: Here's the postcount: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12840392&postcount=51

Yep, your right. If i was on, I would have corrected them, but both me and DP were off.

I would like to join and would request Cote D'Ivoire

Added.

I would like Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangledesh, please.

Added!


Claims fully updated!

Thanks Kampfers!

You were spot on bro! Those would have pretty much been my second choices anyhow.

Thanks Kampfers!

You were spot on bro! Those would have pretty much been my second choices anyhow.

Thanks Kampfers!

You were spot on bro! Those would have pretty much been my second choices anyhow.

No problem. This just means you have to ally with me, lol.

And you might want to edit your sig. The DC broke up quite a while ago...

Kamp if say 2/3s of the nations we claim, claim a several islands does that make them ours on this board? The isles military if from the Carloginian Phillipines.

Kamp if say 2/3s of the nations we claim, claim a several islands does that make them ours on this board? The isles military if from the Carloginian Phillipines.

Huh? Please restate that question. Also, if you have to shorten my name, its Kampf.

Alright. SLight error-

Anyway. 2/5 of my country has claimed an island in the South China Sea. My country (Phillipines) maintains the isle's military. Does that mean I have control of the islands and if not are my military bases on the island?

EDIT- The main countries claiming the island are (Phillipines, Vietnam, China).
I hold 2/3 of them. Malaysia and somewhere else has very minor claims.

No. You only get control of the nation you claimed. You don't get their island bases, or w/e. That means the US doesnt get Guantanamo, etc.

However, you can take those over through RPing. Its the same concept that was in EFJ.

Alright. They're uninhabited, so I assume that I can just land troops and take them for myself?

Alright. They're uninhabited, so I assume that I can just land troops and take them for myself?

No. The military bases on those islands become bases that would fight you if you invaded.

Car if i have a claim in it..you can bet I will take it...=P

Edit: My apologies...

-_-

Edit- Its Car by the way.

Here's the other account for what it's worth.

Italy, with Tunisia and Balearic if you'll allow it. Otherwise, just Italy.


Also, San Marino and the Vatican are not any point value it seems, so can I get them for free?

Also, San Marino and the Vatican are not any point value it seems, so can I get them for free?

Nope.

Here's the other account for what it's worth.

Italy, with Tunisia and Balearic if you'll allow it. Otherwise, just Italy.


Also, San Marino and the Vatican are not any point value it seems, so can I get them for free?


They are no point value because no one will claim them. However, you must still RP adding them, wether by money or by force.

Approved for Italy, Tunisia, and the Balearic Islands

Here's the other account for what it's worth.

Italy, with Tunisia and Balearic if you'll allow it. Otherwise, just Italy.


Also, San Marino and the Vatican are not any point value it seems, so can I get them for free?

TG man.

They are no point value because no one will claim them. However, you must still RP adding them, wether by money or by force.

Approved for Italy, Tunisia, and the Balearic Islands

Ok and thanks!

IC Thread Coming Soon.

TG man.

Replied.

Corbournne;12841696']Ok and thanks!

No problem. I just had to see that other account.

IC Thread Coming Soon.

DP said he would put one up when he got on today. Some of you people (not you Granate) need factbooks though!

France, Luxembourg, and Switzerland please.

Corbournne;12841705']Replied.

Lol. I had already replied by the time you got this post up.

Spain, Portugal, Morocco and those little islands near Spain I forget the name of, please. :p

Spain, Portugal, Morocco and those little islands near Spain I forget the name of, please. :p

Yay! TG! But Courbrounne already claimed those Islands. You want Malta instead?

France, Luxembourg, and Switzerland please.

Yessir.

Shakal's factbook has some problems. It lists, F/A-22s, X-02s, and MiG-29s among the Air Force. Currently, none of the Scandinavian Countries Operate any of these aircraft. The X-02 isn't even real.

Shakal's factbook has some problems. It lists, F/A-22s, X-02s, and MiG-29s among the Air Force. Currently, none of the Scandinavian Countries Operate any of these aircraft. The X-02 isn't even real.

OK. I'll talk to her about it.

Replied, Kampf.

Replied, Kampf.

Once again, too late. I already replied. I pride myself on being a fast TG replyer when I'm on.

Once again, too late. I already replied. I pride myself on being a fast TG replyer when I'm on.

;)

Oh, do I have the Canary Islands with Spain? Just to make sure, as they are part of my country (as in not an overseas land), but in islands.

Yessir.

Excellent. My Factbook shall be up momentarily.

;)

Oh, do I have the Canary Islands with Spain? Just to make sure, as they are part of my country (as in not an overseas land), but in islands.

I'm not sure, but I think so since they are a states.

The Economy thrives on oil. Billions, nay, trillions of dollars every year are made in the oil industry. Black Gold holds the rest of the world at his mercy. Should he decide to, he could completely crush a nation by withdrawing a sizeable portion of its oil trade.

Wandy that is why I am going to spend the first part of the RP building up infrastructure and Power plants Hydro electric mostly as this will also help stop flooding and Nuclear power.....also the discovery of 7.5 or so billion barrels of oil off my coast is quite helpful for me..nevertheless China is your friend :)

Wandy that is why I am going to spend the first part of the RP building up infrastructure and Power plants Hydro electric mostly as this will also help stop flooding and Nuclear power.....also the discovery of 7.5 or so billion barrels of oil off my coast is quite helpful for me..nevertheless China is your friend :)


haha lol

Nice. :D

I'm going green, so Oil really doesn't matter to me since I will be using less and less every year.

On reading the rules on the front I'm only confused on one thing. Would it be acceptable if I decreased my military numbers, or at least moved them to a more paramilitary police force? Or should I just wait for the First day of rping and just reducing in then?

I'm going green, so Oil really doesn't matter to me since I will be using less and less every year.



Thats all well and good, but economically inefficient. You'll do this at the expense of near breaking your economy. Thats why it isn't done in RL.

On reading the rules on the front I'm only confused on one thing. Would it be acceptable if I decreased my military numbers, or at least moved them to a more paramilitary police force? Or should I just wait for the First day of rping and just reducing in then?

Just wait til we start rping and announce it then, that your cutting back, blah blah blah. And I Tged you.

Well If I build up Infrastructure that makes jobs for my people..which will give them money which stimulates the economy..a lot better than putting everyone on welfare...Im not going green but my dependence on Oil will decrease year by year as a develop more hydroelectric and Nuclear power plants..however Wandy will have all of the western powers by "by the balls" for quite some time...

Thats all well and good, but economically inefficient. You'll do this at the expense of near breaking your economy. Thats why it isn't done in RL.

By Green I meant less dependent on oil and other fossil fuels.

Anywho.. As previously stated I plan on holding a conference of the Asiatic powers..Including you Russia...since I am becoming aware that our region is going to have some "hot spots" and I am going to try and form a pact to maintain regional stability..

By Green I meant less dependent on oil and other fossil fuels.

I am quite aware of that lol. The fact remains, its still not economically feasible.


What country are you?

I am quite aware of that lol. The fact remains, its still not economically feasible.


What country are you?

Look on the front page. And right now it's not economically feasible, but a few years in the future, with advances it's becomes more and more feasible.

Wow, I'm gone for half a day and theres already 10 pages.... haha Anyways, I'll have that IC thread up and running in no time, as well as a map update!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12841987&posted=1#post12841987

Factbook. Hope you like it. (I ripped it off of my old ESS one :))

Once a few more people get factbooks up we'll start that thread, so get busy people!

Also, those who know of my plan will be invited to a meeting after the IC thread is up. And I have a few posts planned for the IC thread...

Oh, and Kampfers...remember the Oka Nieba? hehe...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12841987&posted=1#post12841987

Factbook. Hope you like it. (I ripped it off of my old ESS one :))

lol. I already added it. I ripped a few things from my normal factbook...

Oh, and Kampfers...remember the Oka Nieba? hehe...

Umm, kind of. Was it that ship you had in the alien kidnapping? What does it have to do with this?

Do we have to stick rigidly to the military numbers (as in how many people are in the entire military, not number of ships/planes)?

Umm, kind of. Was it that ship you had in the alien kidnapping? What does it have to do with this?

It was that space bomber thing...if I RPed development and shit (for a long time if I may add), can I have it? Please!

Oh, and not to be picky, but can you change the Candistan in the front to the name my "country" goes by, Gründer Industries?

Do we have to stick rigidly to the military numbers (as in how many people are in the entire military, not number of ships/planes)?

I only used Germany's Miltary, even though I could of added Polands, The Czech Republics, and Slovakias.

Do we have to stick rigidly to the military numbers (as in how many people are in the entire military, not number of ships/planes)?

Only at the begginning. Then just make an IC post that you are increasing/decreasing your military size.

It was that space bomber thing...if I RPed development and shit (for a long time if I may add), can I have it? Please!

Oh, and not to be picky, but can you change the Candistan in the front to the name my "country" goes by, Gründer Industries?

If you RP it again. Just c&p it. But make it take a realistic amount of time. You can introduce new tech to this world, but you just have to develop it and shit. Like in 2011 DP can have some Gerald R Ford Carriers and shit.

Sure, changing it now.

Only at the begginning. Then just make an IC post that you are increasing/decreasing your military size.



If you RP it again. Just c&p it. But make it take a realistic amount of time. You can introduce new tech to this world, but you just have to develop it and shit. Like in 2011 DP can have some Gerald R Ford Carriers and shit.

Sure, changing it now.

Yeah, I know. I was planning on RPing it. I wouldn't just start out being like "Wizzah! I blow up your house from space!" That'd just suck.

Oh, and By the way everyone, my factbook is open for investments and business transactions, so if you want to invest in me, me to invest in you, or need mercenaries for something, hit me up.

My factbook is open for diplomacy, so if you want to exchange embassies, go there. I also have an updated nations list if you want it for your factbook.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531810

I'll be gone 'till like ten, so peace out.

Cand will you attend my conference since you are Russia after all..and what exactly does your corporation do...I'm not investing in something thats going to loose me money...

this is thread for the factbook


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842111&posted=1#post12842111

OK, I'll give this Earth a shoot.

Is India free? I would like to claim it if that's the case.

OK, I'll give this Earth a shoot.

Is India free? I would like to claim it if that's the case.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Just to let you know, you may have a war on your hands soon.

CONFIRMED!

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Just to let you know, you may have a war on your hands soon.

CONFIRMED!
Aha... And who is the responsible?

And Kampf, I would like to add Myanmar/Burma to my claim.

I realized that India was only worth 7 points, I was sure it would've been 10.

Kopp...Will you attend my Asiatic conference...? I'm trying to get a meeting with Pakistan/Nepal/Bhutan/Bangladesh....India...Japan/Indonesia... and Russia...and possibly Vietnam/Philippines...

Aha... And who is the responsible?

Lets just say a misguided Packistani kid. :D

Lets just say a misguided Packistani kid. :D

The Misquided Pakistani will lose. India will just mow over them with superior numbers.

Anyone kno0w a good place to find a countries military? I can only find equipment on Wiki.

well if you want to talk about mowing people over with superior numbers..I believe I win by more than 1 million in that matter...but if India and Pakistan can't behave I guess I'll have to station a few hundred thousand soldiers down there to keep them in line :p

well if you want to talk about mowing people over with superior numbers..I believe I win by more than 1 million in that matter...but if India and Pakistan can't behave I guess I'll have to station a few hundred thousand soldiers down there to keep them in line :p

You do know in about 20 years India will have more people then China and the gap is steadily closing. Your few hundred thousand troops would get mowed down by millions of Indians.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842307#post12842307

My factbook. Not complete but it's a start.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842314&posted=1#post12842314

Post if you would like to trade Embassies or Trade, or even buy anything.h

IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842340#post12842340) is up.

IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842340#post12842340) is up.

Woohoo!

And Kampf, I would like to add Myanmar/Burma to my claim.

I realized that India was only worth 7 points, I was sure it would've been 10.

Kampf, did you see this?


Kopp...Will you attend my Asiatic conference...? I'm trying to get a meeting with Pakistan/Nepal/Bhutan/Bangladesh....India...Japan/Indonesia... and Russia...and possibly Vietnam/Philippines...
Oh yes. I just need to have a factbook up and runnig first.

By the new Earth, I'm gonna suppose that EFJ died when I was out...pity, but my time is already going to die (did better than I expected...), so I'll probaly going to be taking some leave here, unless EFJ isn't dead (I don't see it anywhere...).

Best of luck, Dweladelfia and Kamp, on the newest Earth. Maybe I'll check in occasionally to see what's up here.

EFJ isn't dead. Not exactly rampant with activity, but far from dead.

Kampf, did you see this?



Oh yes. I just need to have a factbook up and runnig first.

Yeah, I updated the Post, just not the map.

By the new Earth, I'm gonna suppose that EFJ died when I was out...pity, but my time is already going to die (did better than I expected...), so I'll probaly going to be taking some leave here, unless EFJ isn't dead (I don't see it anywhere...).

Best of luck, Dweladelfia and Kamp, on the newest Earth. Maybe I'll check in occasionally to see what's up here.

Hey man, wassup? EFJ didn't die, but I did leave. You can either TG me or look back in the thread for my reasons, as they ae listed there. Thanks for your support. How was football?

Hey man, wassup? EFJ didn't die, but I did leave. You can either TG me or look back in the thread for my reasons, as they ae listed there. Thanks for your support. How was football?

I got somethin' from Candistan on things, but TGs are always cool.

I *may* have secured myself a starting position (hell, I'm only a soph...), but I'm not holding anything for granted, so I'm gonna make sure I go earn it.

By the new Earth, I'm gonna suppose that EFJ died when I was out...pity, but my time is already going to die (did better than I expected...), so I'll probaly going to be taking some leave here, unless EFJ isn't dead (I don't see it anywhere...).

Best of luck, Dweladelfia and Kamp, on the newest Earth. Maybe I'll check in occasionally to see what's up here.

It's not dead AB. There is a lot that has happened over the time you've been away (Kamp was invaded etc.) - over the last few days it's been quite inactive, however Anim may change that soon if you read the OOC thread.

Anyway, factbook up for here - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531888

Anyone kno0w a good place to find a countries military? I can only find equipment on Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531894

Check it mediteranean nations

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12842170&posted=1#post12842170

Still looking for embassy exchanges

My factbook is completed except for military hardware statistics... which will be posted later tonight. Other than that, it's pretty much done.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531900)

Factbook (Incomplete) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531904)

would it be possible for me as China to develop a ship similar to the Nimitz class carrier as long as I rp my development of it..?

My factbook is completed except for military hardware statistics... which will be posted later tonight. Other than that, it's pretty much done.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531900)

Factbook (Incomplete) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531904)

Added.

Also Added Kopps factbook

would it be possible for me as China to develop a ship similar to the Nimitz class carrier as long as I rp my development of it..?

Yes, along as your also take into consideration what impact it will have on you economy, But since your china it should dent it much. And as long as it’s not uber carrier, and is feasible.

My factbook is almost done. The most important things are there at least.

Union of Kopparbergs India - Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531912)


I have to come back to the equipment of the military forces - it's a lot.

I've put 0.4% of my population in the military, with an additional 1% in the reserve forces.

My GDP is $4,241.2 billion USD (GDP/capita: $3,602 USD)
Taxrate, progressive between 1% - 80%.
Calculated tax rate (average): 35%

Defense budget: 445,326 million (30% of the total budget)

And I'm having 50 ministers in the government (large nation!)

Yes, along as your also take into consideration what impact it will have on you economy, But since your china it should dent it much. And as long as it’s not uber carrier, and is feasible.

Basically I would just copy the Nimitz..and give it another name... since I know Nothing about designing a ship..I'm not trying to develop like NS tech things or anything like that..and I wouldn't get them over night...it would take several years...and I'm not building a fleet of like super ships..just upgrading my fleet to give me more power in the Asiatic theater...which wont take much to do...

Kropp and all other Asian countries plz respond to my conference invite link in the IC thread..

Factbook currently under construction: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12843071

Doing economy now, rest should be done in 24 hours.

Kopparbergs, hope you don't mind, I'm semi-using your factbook - it's giving me ideas for layout, budgets, etc.

Do we have to use our nation's real militaries? Because I think that that is stupid if we have to. My defense budget is almost 400% greater than Colombia's real defense budget... doesn't that mean I'd be able to have an aircraft carrier or two?

Also, do we have to use RL tech? None of the stuff I am using is godmodeing for RL tech, but I like using unique designs instead of RL stuff. Please answer these questions, b/c I think that if our defense budget is a lot higher, we should be able to use things that our RL nations don't have, and it puts smaller countries like myself at a huge disadvantage if we can't start off with at least something helpful like an aircraft carrier.

EDIT: Especially since Panama doesn't even have a military in RL... since we're using alternative histories, we should be able to decide what our country does and doesn't have, correct?

Do we have to use our nation's real militaries? Because I think that that is stupid if we have to. My defense budget is almost 400% greater than Colombia's real defense budget... doesn't that mean I'd be able to have an aircraft carrier or two?

Also, do we have to use RL tech? None of the stuff I am using is godmodeing for RL tech, but I like using unique designs instead of RL stuff. Please answer these questions, b/c I think that if our defense budget is a lot higher, we should be able to use things that our RL nations don't have, and it puts smaller countries like myself at a huge disadvantage if we can't start off with at least something helpful like an aircraft carrier.

EDIT: Especially since Panama doesn't even have a military in RL... since we're using alternative histories, we should be able to decide what our country does and doesn't have, correct?

You could always announce military spending increases...

I would support an increase in defense budget...but only to an extent..on NS nations can have 50%+ of their money going to defense and a 100% income tax this would wipe out any economy...so you'd have to find a way to increase your military budget...Pan seems to have beat me to the answer lol

Do we have to use our nation's real militaries? Because I think that that is stupid if we have to. My defense budget is almost 400% greater than Colombia's real defense budget... doesn't that mean I'd be able to have an aircraft carrier or two?

Also, do we have to use RL tech? None of the stuff I am using is godmodeing for RL tech, but I like using unique designs instead of RL stuff. Please answer these questions, b/c I think that if our defense budget is a lot higher, we should be able to use things that our RL nations don't have, and it puts smaller countries like myself at a huge disadvantage if we can't start off with at least something helpful like an aircraft carrier.

EDIT: Especially since Panama doesn't even have a military in RL... since we're using alternative histories, we should be able to decide what our country does and doesn't have, correct?

You need to have a reasonable expenditure percentage. In NS, my military % is 48. That is unreasonable. And you must use RL tech, but you can always introduce new tech through proper RPing.

Eh? We aren't using alternate histories...

You could always announce military spending increases...

Exactly. It just has to be reasonable.

Hey, Medeteranean Nations I contacted, go here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531894

Any and all nations come here and open relations: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531810

what percentage of GDP would you say is the maximum we can have..i figure might as well set a limit on it now before people start coming up with outlandish numbers

what percentage of GDP would you say is the maximum we can have..i figure might as well set a limit on it now before people start coming up with outlandish numbers

Well, I wont give the final verdict without DP, but Israel spends 7.3%, which is by far the highest in the world. And they have unusual circumstances, with threats of war every day. So lets unofficially cap it at 7%. You can go higher, but your economy, infastructure, civilian morale, etc, will suffer greatly for it. Even spending that much is a strech.

Im caping mine at 5% and stretching it to 5.3% maybe

Ya, 7% sounds like the limit. And even at that your economy is going to be stretched. So I wouldn’t recommend it.... I'm off to bed.... I'll be on sometime tomorrow afternoon... L8ta

Factbook being created....:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531873

You need to have a reasonable expenditure percentage. In NS, my military % is 48. That is unreasonable. And you must use RL tech, but you can always introduce new tech through proper RPing.

Eh? We aren't using alternate histories...

We have to use alternate histories... if we use the same history as our nation does in RL, then we are in violation of the "Rules Governing Alternative History" RPs.

Why do we have to use RL tech to start off though? That makes no sense. You said you wanted to make this world fair, yet all these constraints on smaller countries, such as myself, put a damper on how fair this can be. One of the countries I claimed doesn't even HAVE a military. This just opens things up for people to be run all over, just like it was in EFJ.

EDIT: From the thread concerning Alternative History threads

"Summary: Using Real Earth geography is fine. Using the shape of Real Earth countries is fine. Using Real Earth populations is fine. Using the actual Real Earth countries (culture, history, et al), and thus essentially being a carbon copy of a Real Earth country, is not"

We HAVE to have alternative histories, militaries, etc. If we don't we're in violation.

I just have to ask a quick question. Was the claim for Kalingrad accepted?

I propose using say like our NS defense budgets or maybe like half or a quarter of our NS defense budget..but keeping the RL populations..that way new nations can have decent militaries..but they cant have like massive armies that NS nations tend to have...

I just have to ask a quick question. Was the claim for Kalingrad accepted?

Yes.

I propose using say like our NS defense budgets or maybe like half or a quarter of our NS defense budget..but keeping the RL populations..that way new nations can have decent militaries..but they cant have like massive armies that NS nations tend to have...

No way. My GDP would be through the roof. A quarter of my nation's GDP from NS is five times higher than the one in AWOP, plus, it is okay for us to use RL GDP's. If you are really pissed about your low GDP's, then RP an economic growth (or call up Gründer Industries). It is just way easier that way.

EDIT: Did I say five time's higher? I'm sorry, I was talking about my entire GDP.

My defense budget on here is just over 2% of my defense budget on NS... I feel that my forces are reasonable for the size of my nations... nobody complained about the size of my forces, just that I wasn't using the nation's actual militaries, which is a violation, so I wouldn't have anyways.

I propose using say like our NS defense budgets or maybe like half or a quarter of our NS defense budget..but keeping the RL populations..that way new nations can have decent militaries..but they cant have like massive armies that NS nations tend to have...

But the problem with that is that 25% of my defence budget is still like 2.4 trillion...

Yes.



No way. My GDP would be through the roof. A quarter of my nation's GDP from NS is five times higher than the one in AWOP, plus, it is okay for us to use RL GDP's. If you are really pissed about your low GDP's, then RP an economic growth (or call up Gründer Industries). It is just way easier that way.

I'm not pissed about my low GDP, I'm fine with it, actually. I'm pissed that Kampf and Honako are saying we have to use our actual nation's histories (violation) and that we have to use the actual militaries (violation). Other than that, I have no problems.

I'm not pissed about my low GDP, I'm fine with it, actually. I'm pissed that Kampf and Honako are saying we have to use our actual nation's histories (violation) and that we have to use the actual militaries (violation). Other than that, I have no problems.

All I was saying is that we shouldn't use our NS defense budgets because mine, somewhere around 55 Trillion Bones, is extremely unrealistic. Even a fourth of that is five times higher than my entire GDP in AWOP.

well it was a suggestion..anyways...I don't use my RL nation history..other than the location...my nation is a capitalist..not communist...it has an Imperial Republic government...the only RL things I'm using are my military equipment..and my population..and everything is RL modern tech..we aren't violating any rules Its my NS nation with the population and GDP of China with MT military equipment..which I'm desiging a ship which is going to be a Nimitz class Carrier just with a different name..again not following history and not breaking any rules..

and Candi..how do I invest into Grunder...and what benefits would that give me exactly...? And I assume Grunder isn't attending the Asiatic conference..

BTW Kampfers, DZR old me that his economy cant be very accurate, since Kalingrad is actually a Russian province its REALLY hard to find economic and military info on it.

and Candi..how do I invest into Grunder...and what benefits would that give me exactly...? And I assume Grunder isn't attending the Asiatic conference..

Go to my Factbook and say what you would like to do there. and yes, Gründer, being a major power IMO in the Asiatic Theater, would probably like to go to the conference. They probably won't join a military alliance since they are technically always neutral, but mercenary rights and such could be easily worked out.

Eh? We aren't using alternate histories...

According to Kampf... we aren't using alternative histories, which makes this entire Earth illegal

According to Kampf... we aren't using alternative histories, which makes this entire Earth illegal

The things he said we are doing can be VERY easy to fix, so i wouldn't worry about it too much.

well if you read the rules its pretty clear the only things copied from rl nations are the population which is allowed the gdp and military equipment..but I'm allowed to develop my own new equipment..and I'm not rping as China..I'm Rping as the Imperial Kingdom of Gataway set in the boundaries of a landmass that looks like china..perhaps Kamp misspoke..but regardless AWOP doesn't violate the alternate history rules...if it did it would have been closed by now..

Well, my point is, if we are making up our own histories (within reason) then our military tech could be different from RL tech and a different from what our countries have in RL. By saying we have to use our nation's RL militaries, that's also a violation. I don't see why we can't use non-RL tech... look at my factbook, everything's there, and all of it is comparable to RL tech. I just like using it better.

Lol AD, I am going to RP rampant industrialization. You may as well. Your lands are god for economic growth.

well if you read the rules its pretty clear the only things copied from rl nations are the population which is allowed the gdp and military equipment..but I'm allowed to develop my own new equipment..and I'm not rping as China..I'm Rping as the Imperial Kingdom of Gataway set in the boundaries of a landmass that looks like china..perhaps Kamp misspoke..but regardless AWOP doesn't violate the alternate history rules...if it did it would have been closed by now..

You CAN'T use your nation's military equipment though! That's what I've been saying. Look at my post a page back where I quote the rules. You can't use the history, culture, or ET. AL. (which would include military). It HAS to be different.

You CAN'T use your nation's military equipment though! That's what I've been saying. Look at my post a page back where I quote the rules. You can't use the history, culture, or ET. AL. (which would include military). It HAS to be different.

You can use it. It's not like it matters. Trust me on this, you can use it's Military if you say it's your nations military.

You can use it. It's not like it matters. Trust me on this, you can use it's Military if you say it's your nations military.

If it doesn't matter then why can't we make it different? Go look at my factbook for AWOP Granate... tell me if you think it's excessive and out of place. I don't think it is, and don't see why my nation couldn't use that military.

You can however DEVELOP new equipment within the confines of MT...thus why I can develop a Nimitz class carrier which the real china only has 1 carrier even being developed and its not a Nimitz class so see I'm making my own nations military..I also plan on replacing a lot of my current military equipment...into better more modern RL..equipment..thus Im not really using "China's Army"...I'm using my own just with all MT equipment

If you want Panama to have an army..simply RP it that the nation has instated a standing army..and then give it some equipment and go from there...

As far as tech goes everything has to be MT..since its clear the earth is MT not PMT although eventually you are allowed to develop new technologies it just takes time...so no SD's floating around or any of that garbage...which is far from being MT...

Also like Kamp said you only inherited the military briefly...just do what I'm doing and develop it into your own..

If it doesn't matter then why can't we make it different? Go look at my factbook for AWOP Granate... tell me if you think it's excessive and out of place. I don't think it is, and don't see why my nation couldn't use that military.

Sea Wolf's cost Billions, as do most Carriers, unless they are Escort Carriers or are really LHDs. Even then they cost upwards of 700 Million. Your GDP is 130 as you said yourself. Unless you have a huge ass Government Budget then no you can't use them.

Sea Wolf's cost Billions, as do most Carriers, unless they are Escort Carriers or are really LHDs. Even then they cost upwards of 700 Million. Your GDP is 130 as you said yourself. Unless you have a huge ass Government Budget then no you can't use them.

What about Sturgeon-class subs? $320 million a pop...

Also, my ships aren't all being purchased this year. That is what my navy has right now. They could have been purchased over a long period of time.

What about Sturgeon-class subs? $320 million a pop...

Also, my ships aren't all being purchased this year. That is what my navy has right now. They could have been purchased over a long period of time.

How are you going to maintain them? Currently Panama and Columbia have no facilities for the maintaining of Ships larger then a Coastal Patrol Vessel or maybe a Frigate.

How are you going to maintain them? Currently Panama and Columbia have no facilities for the maintaining of Ships larger then a Coastal Patrol Vessel or maybe a Frigate.

That's what alternative histories are for. In my nation, there is a big naval yard at Jestasin (RL city on the northern edge of Colombia)... it's in my factbook.

That's what alternative histories are for. In my nation, there is a big naval yard at Jestasin (RL city on the northern edge of Colombia)... it's in my factbook.

Ok, here's the problem with your Alternate History schpell. If you say that you have a huge naval yard somewhere, what's stopping me from saying that I have a huge Factory District in my country that allows me to produce more tanks then I already can? You see, the reason why we use the countries current Geography, cities and all, is that otherwise people would go fucking crazy with their alternate histories. Soon it will devolve into a mass of wankery like none we have seen. Example; some would say they have can launch men into space, while others claim they have Lunar Colonies? Soon others are saying they can go to Mars and beyond.

You see where I am going with this?

Ok, here's the problem with your Alternate History schpell. If you say that you have a huge naval yard somewhere, what's stopping me from saying that I have a huge Factory District in my country that allows me to produce more tanks then I already can? You see, the reason why we use the countries current Geography, cities and all, is that otherwise people would go fucking crazy with their alternate histories. Soon it will devolve into a mass of wankery like none we have seen. Example; some would say they have can launch men into space, while others claim they have Lunar Colonies? Soon others are saying they can go to Mars and beyond.

You see where I am going with this?

Cartegena is a real life port city in Colombia... I'm just expanding it a little. I'm not putting something there that never existed. It's there, I'm just making it a bit bigger.

EDIT: According to many sources, the Colombian Navy's biggest base is at Cartenega anyways, so it's not out of the question

Cartegena is a real life port city in Colombia... I'm just expanding it a little. I'm not putting something there that never existed. It's there, I'm just making it a bit bigger.

If by bit you mean being able to build Aircraft Carriers and Submarines, then no because that's a huge expansion. By your logic, then Hamburg should rival Norfolk in terms of Naval Tonnage.

Just RP upgrading the ports...thats what I'm doing with my ENTIRE infrastructure road..railways..waterways ports..building power plants..gonna take me 20 yrs..or 20 RL days..assuming we use the standard NS year thing...

If by bit you mean being able to build Aircraft Carriers and Submarines, then no because that's a huge expansion. By your logic, then Hamburg should rival Norfolk in terms of Naval Tonnage.

I'm planning on losing the aircraft carriers, I just haven't taken them out of my factbook yet because I'm planning on making one big change instead of tons of little ones.

I never said anything about not changing your histories, just was concerned about the aircraft carrier. My nations socialist. I just followed the rules - if you read them, the things you cannot change in this earth are RL GDP, Population, Technology, Land, and Military. As people have said, one or two RP posts in the IC thread could make you build up a Panama force. ;)

I never said anything about not changing your histories, just was concerned about the aircraft carrier. My nations socialist. I just followed the rules - if you read them, the things you cannot change in this earth are RL GDP, Population, Technology, Land, and Military. As people have said, one or two RP posts in the IC thread could make you build up a Panama force. ;)

Exactly..but not entirely true..you can change the military over time.. just RP it and its fine...for like the millionth time my example in like 10 days(10 NS years) I will have Nimitz class carriers developed..just I wont call them Nimitz class..as long as the equipment is RL MT then its fine...

I will take Senegal, thank you very much!

I want to know how realistic this earth is meant to be? I mean, if we're starting with the real pop, real economy, real tech and the real military I suppose it's going to be realistic.

But how much is that worth if you can change everything with just taking money out of somewhere and change everything?

One example:

Imperial Declaration of the WEF

a plan for the next couple of years. The plan includes:

- Improving transporation, focusing on sea. Railroads are being built and improved, roads to a quality never seen before, and everywhere, ports built and expanded with a frenzy.

- Improving the economic infastructure.

- Improving education. Teachers are to be given more money,

- Improving the military. In these troubling times of conflict, the military, especially the Navy, is to be improved. Every single port that can already house a small Frigate is to be expanded to house destroyers, while ports that are already bigger are to be expanded to include Cruisers, Submarines, and Aircraft Carriers. A new Carrier and Destroyer is being developed - the Imperial-class carrier, and the DDX20 Destroyer. Both are still in the infancy of creation, and prototypes are yet to reveal exact specifications. The Divine Wind is also undergoing a vast revampment, and the new Superiority Fighter Zero X is being developed as we speak. It is to enter the WEF Air Force in several years. The ground forces are also being revamped. The new Beetle MBT is scheduled to being production in several years, as it is still being developed and tested.

- Improving homeland security. The Imperial Guard is being reformed, and coastal bunkers and defensive positions are being built with haste.

- Improving the environment.

Almost 50 billion has been allocated to completion of the plan so far. Most of the plan should be completed in 2-3 years, while other parts may take up to 10 years (like the military portion). More money may or may not be allocated to the plan in the future years as the plan progresses.

I mean this is ALOT of improvements, changing the country to a completely different one. To a cost of $50 billion? My entire defense budget is $254 billion, and he is improving all that stuff at a 1/5 of my defense budget?
Yea, I know he said "More money may or may not be allocated ", but anyway. I would like to say that all the things Futuris is doing will cost at least $1 trillion, if not even more. And where does the money come from? Can he afford it?

I know we all want to improve everything, but is it ok to RP improvement of everything, and then it's ok? Can you just increase everything without decreasing something else?

This was just an example, sorry Futuris, but we need to decide the bounds for this earth at an early stage. Your post had to do as an example. No hard feelings.

Futuris, where's your factbook?

Japan's GDP is around $4 Trillion, so... but even so commiting that amount of money is crazy :mad:

Kampf, I remember reading somewhere that you decided how large the defense budget can be? Was it 6 or 7 % of the GDP? I also suggest that you add it to the rules in the first post.

And are there any rules regarding the number of men in the military, either in percent, or if you have to begin with the amount your nation(s) have in RL?
Or can you decide it yourself (as long as it's reasonable, under 3-5 %) and you can afford it? This should also go into the first post.

The Country with the highest percentage spent on their military from their GDP is Ertiea, 33% :eek:. But that country is in deep shit, seriously...

Currency: Pound Sterling, £, ABBP

GDP:
Total: ($2.3222 trillion)

Budget:
Administration: 5% ($116.11 billion)
Foreign Affairs: 1.4% ($32.5108 billion)
Welfare: 12.5% ($290.275 billion)
Healthcare: 17.5% ($406.385 billion)
Education: 17.5% ($406.385 billion)
Defense: 15% ($348.33 billion
Law and Order: 15% ($348.33 billion)
Commerce: 7.5% ($174.165 billion)
Public Transport: 7.5% ($174.165 billion)
Environment: 1% ($23.222 billion)
Spirituality: 0.1% (2.3222 billion)
Pan-Arab Barronia, you forgot to make a total govermental budget. You've calculated everything direct from the GDP, and that's only right if you're having 100% tax-rate...
First you have to select your tax-rate and then calculate your budget upon the taxrate.

Kopparbergs, what is ur Nation? If u have MSN could i add you? Im kinda bored here ;)

Pan-Arab Barronia, you forgot to make a total govermental budget. You've calculated everything direct from the GDP, and that's only right if you're having 100% tax-rate...
First you have to select your tax-rate and then calculate your budget upon the taxrate.

Saw that just after you did, edited appropriately for 32.5% average.

Kopparbergs, what is ur Nation? If u have MSN could i add you? Im kinda bored here ;)
I'm the Union of India/Myanmar, link to my factbook in my sig.

And no I don't have MSN, I don't like IM.

EDIT: Pan-Arab Barronia, good thing!

EDIT: Pan-Arab Barronia, good thing!

Yeah...I was wondering why my Defence budget had rocketed... :p

I want to know how realistic this earth is meant to be? I mean, if we're starting with the real pop, real economy, real tech and the real military I suppose it's going to be realistic.

But how much is that worth if you can change everything with just taking money out of somewhere and change everything?

One example:



I mean this is ALOT of improvements, changing the country to a completely different one. To a cost of $50 billion? My entire defense budget is $254 billion, and he is improving all that stuff at a 1/5 of my defense budget?
Yea, I know he said "More money may or may not be allocated ", but anyway. I would like to say that all the things Futuris is doing will cost at least $1 trillion, if not even more. And where does the money come from? Can he afford it?

I know we all want to improve everything, but is it ok to RP improvement of everything, and then it's ok? Can you just increase everything without decreasing something else?

This was just an example, sorry Futuris, but we need to decide the bounds for this earth at an early stage. Your post had to do as an example. No hard feelings.

Futuris, where's your factbook?

Ah, my post to responding to this was deleted...gargh.

So, Kopp....50 billion is for starters. As in, I'm allocating 50 billion to start it out. I said that I may or may not allocate more money in the future, because it depends - if some part of the program looks like it's crap and won't work, or is going to take too much money - I'll cut the funding for that part of the program. That simple.

Also, I seriously doubt that it would take 1 trillion for the completion for the whole thing...notice I've given 10 years to finish it up, and I can always expand that timeframe....if I wanted this to happen in 2-3 years (like, the whole thing) than it would cost a lot. But if I give my workers more time to complete stuff, I also pay them less.

Now, how do I start spending so much on military? Over the past couple of years/decades, Japan has been spending 1% of GDP on military. Suddenly, I've increased that, which gives me the ability to start development of stuff - not that I have 20 Carriers, 200 Destroyres, and 30,000 Tanks right away. I'm starting the development of those things.

As for the other stuff - economy, education, transportation - I mean, Japan is one of the most high-tech countries in the world - as well as smartest. They don't need much improvement in that area, if any. I'm mainly focusing on Indonesia.

And environment - well, do you honestly think that any normal-minded leader in today's world would give a damn to spend more than a couple billion on the environment? I'm taking the environmental approach slowly, and with ease, not in a hurry. I can always cut or slow down funding to that area.

Also - I think we should use the GDP Official Exchange Rate, since it's more realistic internationally with currencies and such. But I don't know which one we're supposed to use...

Factbook is a little ways off...I'm not on my home computer (won't be for another 2-3 weeks) and I don't have oodles of time to create a factbook. I'll just do it in Word when I get the chance, and then post it up. Again, I'm trying as hard as I can, but there's so much to do in Poland, and I only come here about once every 4 years...

Edit: Good job in pointing that out though Kopp, as it might have been a little unclear.

Yes, I get most of your points Futuris. But one thing I don't get is where does the money come from?

I mean, you cannot just increase everything. You have to get the money from somewhere, either from other parts of the governmental budget, or by raising the tax. Do you see where I want to go? You're having XX amount of $$, and you cannot just increase everything and say that you're having 1.5XX amount of $$.

It's not cheap to make all that stuff, and someone has to pay...

As an addition, it can be hard to make this without a factbook. You need to have a budget to start with before you can change the budget.

Also - I think we should use the GDP Official Exchange Rate, since it's more realistic internationally with currencies and such. But I don't know which one we're supposed to use...
I don't agree. I think we should go with the usual GDP (PPP), otherwise we will increase all the wealthy nations GDP and decrease all the smaller nations GDP.

And that's the factbook done. International Relations added as things go on.

Opinions?

I just have to ask a quick question. Was the claim for Kalingrad accepted?

Yes. He's in the OP. Check there before asking.

I propose using say like our NS defense budgets or maybe like half or a quarter of our NS defense budget..but keeping the RL populations..that way new nations can have decent militaries..but they cant have like massive armies that NS nations tend to have...

No.

We have to use alternate histories... if we use the same history as our nation does in RL, then we are in violation of the "Rules Governing Alternative History" RPs.

Why do we have to use RL tech to start off though? That makes no sense. You said you wanted to make this world fair, yet all these constraints on smaller countries, such as myself, put a damper on how fair this can be. One of the countries I claimed doesn't even HAVE a military. This just opens things up for people to be run all over, just like it was in EFJ.

EDIT: From the thread concerning Alternative History threads

"Summary: Using Real Earth geography is fine. Using the shape of Real Earth countries is fine. Using Real Earth populations is fine. Using the actual Real Earth countries (culture, history, et al), and thus essentially being a carbon copy of a Real Earth country, is not"

We HAVE to have alternative histories, militaries, etc. If we don't we're in violation.

According to Kampf... we aren't using alternative histories, which makes this entire Earth illegal

WTF? Stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say! If you read the OP, it clearly states that you ONLY take the GDP, Tech, Military, and Populations from your nation. EVERYTHING else is your NS nations. That means History, Flag, Motto, EVERYTHING. But that doesn't mean you can just be like, well, I have my NS nations history, therefore, I have a higher GDP and threfore have a higher Defense budget. It DOES NOT work like that.

I will take Senegal, thank you very much!

Yes! Welcome to AWOP!

Kampf, I remember reading somewhere that you decided how large the defense budget can be? Was it 6 or 7 % of the GDP? I also suggest that you add it to the rules in the first post.

And are there any rules regarding the number of men in the military, either in percent, or if you have to begin with the amount your nation(s) have in RL?
Or can you decide it yourself (as long as it's reasonable, under 3-5 %) and you can afford it? This should also go into the first post.

7%. I'll add it now.

As long as it is reasonable, and you can afford it, it doesnt matter. However, if you do have an unreasonable army, like with the defense budget, expect to see some other areas of your nation lacking, or they would be poorly equippped.

I don't agree. I think we should go with the usual GDP (PPP), otherwise we will increase all the wealthy nations GDP and decrease all the smaller nations GDP.

Yes, that's right.

Can i please take Ireland

If anyone wants to make friends with my crazy Socialist nation (sounds tempting, eh?) factbook is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531888). Not many replies so far, so I may start pursuing relations with Pan, as he has the UK - my mainc European naval threat.

Can i please take Ireland

Confirmed.

sorry to mess you about but can i change to romania

If anyone wants to make friends with my crazy Socialist nation (sounds tempting, eh?) factbook is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531888). Not many replies so far, so I may start pursuing relations with Pan, as he has the UK - my mainc European naval threat.

There. Happy?

so my stats have to be the same as the republic's

Your 4 key stats: GDP, Population, Military, and Tech, have to be the republics. Once you start rping you can rp reasonable change in those categories.

sorry but can i change to romania

sorry but can i change to romania

OK. W/e

my factbook http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12844258&posted=1#post12844258

Wow, I'm gone for a 1/4 of a day and theres already 5 more pages.... :P Well good job Kampf for keeping everything up.