NationStates Jolt Archive

Wow, I'm gone for a 1/4 of a day and theres already 5 more pages.... :P Well good job Kampf for keeping everything up.

lol, I was gone too, and this one guy kept saying that I was saying shit, so I got online today and was like WTF? How did I say that? I'm not online!

I am looking to set up a military alliance and i am going to find out who wants to get involved before i set it up

I am looking to set up a military alliance and i am going to find out who wants to get involved before i set it up

If I was you, I would contact Granate, as he is your neighbor.

i was thinking of something like Nato

To everyone who has a branch of Gründer Industries in them, check out my factbook and read the part below the investments. It is pretty important. Kampfers read it, so that leaves Gataway and Lachenburg to if they haven't already.

Kampf check your TGs.

Gataway has a response TG!

so do you lol

so do you lol

Right back at ya...

alrighty..

and again lol

Eh? We aren't using alternate histories...

Actually, Kampf, you did say it. So no, I'm not putting words into your mouth. Go back and read the post for yourself. I'm not making this shit up. You said it.

Is anyone willing to sell me the rights to build their Assault rifle

Is anyone willing to sell me the rights to build their Assault rifle

Like hell I would sell you the rights to the G36.

Actually, Kampf, you did say it. So no, I'm not putting words into your mouth. Go back and read the post for yourself. I'm not making this shit up. You said it.

You are misunderstanding him, prince valiant. For one thing he may misunderstood you and accidentally wrote something that he didn't mean. You can't take everything at face value on the internet.

well what about supply

well what about supply

You're really making it easy for me to not like you.

You're really making it easy for me to not like you.

The way you post is going to make it easy for everyone else not to like you. Not that I hate you or anything - but you're not exactly the most easy-going RPer here.

@Kopp: Um, where is the money not coming from? Japan hasn't been spending trillions of dollars that ends up getting the country deep in debt (hint USA hint) I don't think. I have money to improve it slowly.

The way you post is going to make it easy for everyone else not to like you. Not that I hate you or anything - but you're not exactly the most easy-going RPer here.

Ain't that the truth. And we've been over this numerous times, I'm not an easy-going person and I don't change my personality over the internet. If people hate me, so be it.

what are you complaining about

what are you complaining about

That's not complaining.

Did I miss something...?

Did I miss something...?

Ya, thats what I'm thinking.....

eh...I try to keep ooc things out of IC..makes for bad rping...I do know one region is soon going to erupt in warfare...cant we all just get along...=\

@Kopp: Um, where is the money not coming from? Japan hasn't been spending trillions of dollars that ends up getting the country deep in debt (hint USA hint) I don't think. I have money to improve it slowly.
The increased amount of money has to come from somewhere.

An example to clarify what I mean:

Your budget is 1,000 billion. You're spending 250 million on defense, 250 million on education, 250 million on environment and 250 million on infrastructure. Now, if you want to increase defense with 50 million and education with 50 million, where does that money come from? If you just increase them your budget will be 1,100 billion, and you don't have that money. Your budget still is 1,000 billion – in case you don't increase the tax and get a bigger budget.
You cannot just say that "well, we' haven't spend so much on defense the last decade, so we're having money to take from." That's not true, the money is spend on other things, otherwise the tax should have been lowered.

To put it simple you're having three ways of increasing funds to i.e. infrastructure or defense:

1) Increase the one you want, and decrease another with the same amount.

2) Increase the tax, and get a bigger budget to divide.

3) Increase the GDP, but that's a bit hard and takes some serious RP and confirmation from the mods (I think).

Yea..how exactly will we raise our GDP and things of that sort...surely with trade agreements and such these things would fluctuate

European Military Union thread is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531978

Kampf, I remember reading somewhere that you decided how large the defense budget can be? Was it 6 or 7 % of the GDP? I also suggest that you add it to the rules in the first post.

And are there any rules regarding the number of men in the military, either in percent, or if you have to begin with the amount your nation(s) have in RL?
Or can you decide it yourself (as long as it's reasonable, under 3-5 %) and you can afford it? This should also go into the first post.

I think that as long as people RP other parts of their country lacking, they can make it higher (eg. if someone has a 10% spending on military, then they would have to RP people dying of hunger, leaving - so population is going down slowly, people are stupid, transporation is bad - that also goes in with war. If you're spending a lot of money on tanks that are to help in defense in an invasion, if your roads don't even resemble a long stretch of asphalt or concrete, your tanks are going to be slower, trucks carrying troops aren't going to get to the frontlines fast enough...etc. etc. Still, nations will often increase their military spending during war, and if a small nation is getting the shit kicked out of it, they should be able to increase past 7%, since education with bombs falling a few feet away is hard to accomplish. If said nation survives the invasion, the defense budget should be lowered to allow for rebuilding and such.

So in other words, I think that as long as people RP a lot of bad things happening to the country (think about it...work that actually harms you) they can make it higher than 7%. Of course, without RPing they can't, and personally, I wouldn't do it since it's a waste of time and completely stupid (except in those rare instances where it's a "Give All You Got kind of Last Desperation Throw of the Dice move"). My two cents on it - but I guess that I'm just a player - this seems to be more of a mod-run Earth, which is fine too.

About GDP (PPP) or exchange...so in other words, we're going to be unrealistic so that smaller nations get a chance? Because if you want to make a realistic Earth (which is from what I see, what you're trying to do) than smaller nations in Africa don't stand a chance against the USA. Even your point system is unfair - first come, first served is as much of a rule as ever, because the equivalent of 10 points of a few countries in Africa doesn't match up against China, or even a 6 point Japan (6 points...wow...third highest GDP and only 6 points...). Now, even though a point system like that isn't perfect (not criticizing it, since its given me a plus - I get more money, land, and pop! :p) any point system you devise without dividing up countries (like half the USA - however, then it just gets messy) is not going to be equal. It helps - the empires in ESS for example were huge - but if you want to be realistic, and you're letting up on this one thing, what's to stop people from saying "Well, if you made this one thing here a bit unrealistic, how about we make this thing here a little bit, well, not unrealistic...just, you know, "fairer"...and then this thing over here..." etc.

But whatever. Keep the GDP (PPP). I just went on a rant like that because I need someone to talk to, and I have a habit of debating rules and such. Spend too much time on General for an II RPer if you ask me. :rolleyes:

/Annoying Nitpicker

Kamp capped the military budget at 7%...and thats stretching it..I personally capped mine at 5% but only in emergencies...

Kamp capped the military budget at 7%...and thats stretching it..I personally capped mine at 5% but only in emergencies...

7% of your GDP not your Government Budget.

thats what I was refering to...

thats what I was refering to...

Then you're wrong. Israel uses 7% of it's GDP for defense, not its Government Budget. There are numerous countries in the world that spend more then 7% of their Government Budget on Defense.

I think that as long as people RP other parts of their country lacking, they can make it higher (eg. if someone has a 10% spending on military, then they would have to RP people dying of hunger, leaving - so population is going down slowly, people are stupid, transporation is bad - that also goes in with war.
Yes, I agree with you here, Futuris. I think the decided level of 7 % is the highest you can have without having to RP drawbacks on other things. I mean it must be up to you how you rule your country, you can raise the tax to 100% and see what happens. You can increase the military spending to 50% of the bugdet and see what happens.

Then you're wrong. Israel uses 7% of it's GDP for defense, not its Government Budget. There are numerous countries in the world that spend more then 7% of their Government Budget on Defense.

I ment I was refering to GDP...jesus christ

I ment I was refering to GDP...jesus christ

Your post was very ambiguous. It could of meant either.

Then you're wrong.
You misunderstood him, he meant 7% of the GDP, not the gov. budget.

my apologies for not being specific...

my apologies for not being specific...

There's no need to apologize, we both made a mistake. Thusly we will both try and not do them again.

The increased amount of money has to come from somewhere.

An example to clarify what I mean:

Your budget is 1,000 billion. You're spending 250 million on defense, 250 million on education, 250 million on environment and 250 million on infrastructure. Now, if you want to increase defense with 50 million and education with 50 million, where does that money come from? If you just increase them your budget will be 1,100 billion, and you don't have that money. Your budget still is 1,000 billion – in case you don't increase the tax and get a bigger budget.
You cannot just say that "well, we' haven't spend so much on defense the last decade, so we're having money to take from." That's not true, the money is spend on other things, otherwise the tax should have been lowered.

To put it simple you're having three ways of increasing funds to i.e. infrastructure or defense:

1) Increase the one you want, and decrease another with the same amount.

2) Increase the tax, and get a bigger budget to divide.

3) Increase the GDP, but that's a bit hard and takes some serious RP and confirmation from the mods (I think).

1) I can put the country in debt until the plan is finished. Then I could go on a "minimal spending" routine, and get out of debt. I will probably not do this though.

2) My GDP is growing every year. It's GDP Growth. That accounts for something.

3) Indeed, I have said this before - improving will mostly go to Indonesia. I'm not really improving Japan here, as it is top of the world class country already. Here and there, yes, but otherwise, I'm not improving my whole country, just parts of it. That decreases the amount I have to pay. The military portion of my plan I think I have explained, but more imporantly - Japan has spent money on things I don't deem important now. For example, education - I say "Improving Education" notice it's an official declaration. I'm actually changing the education system to teach the people what I want them taught. I say "'Give teachers more money" that they will lose anyway due to higher taxes.

4) Higher taxes - higher from what? I'm going along that the World Empire of Futuris has had the same tax rate as Japan and Indonesia in RL over the past couple of years. That puts the budget at a certain number to put Japan at so-so level of education, tech, economy, etc. I make my taxes at a certain rate that gives me more money - I "Officially Declare" that I am using it on education and stuff - most of it is going to Economy and Military. Politics are often implied in RP - and I've got a lot going on. I stated that my government just got elected - and things are going to change. Japan is going to get rid of the pacifist constitution it has now (well, in RL...in NS, probably not) and basically take over American bases already present (not war, since they're actually my bases...) Japan is going Imperial! Woohoo! :p

Which, by the way, I have a question...I think that America still has military bases in Japan. Since I have Japan, do those military bases belong to me now? I think that they should, since overseas stuff of a country is not claimed when you claim that country (eg. Azores and Portugal) and the military bases, although of a different history, are still there. If Japan hadn't gotten in with the Nazis in WWII, their economy would probably higher - they would have cooperated with the US, boosting their economy, and it would be higher. Of course, we're not doing that - we're taking what our countries have currently and doing what we want with it.

Gataway, TG coming your way. ;)

Wow, I write a lot. Too much, actually. I'll try and tone it down. And I don't think I can finish my factbook today. I'm trying to write up and finish like 3 things at same time here, and looking up those stats...argh. I'll do it tomorrow morning. Hopefully, until then, it won't be sorely needed...

During the short span of Cold War '07, AB played as Japan, and it seemed that he was the most important player on that Earth...how did he do it...everyone was wanting relations with him, and stuff...damn. :confused:

Wow, I write a lot. Too much, actually. I'll try and tone it down. And I don't think I can finish my factbook today. I'm trying to write up and finish like 3 things at same time here, and looking up those stats...argh. I'll do it tomorrow morning. Hopefully, until then, it won't be sorely needed...

During the short span of Cold War '07, AB played as Japan, and it seemed that he was the most important player on that Earth...how did he do it...everyone was wanting relations with him, and stuff...damn. :confused:

He played hard to get and he played it well.

1) I can put the country in debt until the plan is finished. Then I could go on a "minimal spending" routine, and get out of debt. I will probably not do this though.

2) My GDP is growing every year. It's GDP Growth. That accounts for something.

3) Indeed, I have said this before - improving will mostly go to Indonesia. I'm not really improving Japan here, as it is top of the world class country already. Here and there, yes, but otherwise, I'm not improving my whole country, just parts of it. That decreases the amount I have to pay. The military portion of my plan I think I have explained, but more imporantly - Japan has spent money on things I don't deem important now. For example, education - I say "Improving Education" notice it's an official declaration. I'm actually changing the education system to teach the people what I want them taught. I say "'Give teachers more money" that they will lose anyway due to higher taxes.

4) Higher taxes - higher from what? I'm going along that the World Empire of Futuris has had the same tax rate as Japan and Indonesia in RL over the past couple of years. That puts the budget at a certain number to put Japan at so-so level of education, tech, economy, etc. I make my taxes at a certain rate that gives me more money - I "Officially Declare" that I am using it on education and stuff - most of it is going to Economy and Military. Politics are often implied in RP - and I've got a lot going on. I stated that my government just got elected - and things are going to change. Japan is going to get rid of the pacifist constitution it has now (well, in RL...in NS, probably not) and basically take over American bases already present (not war, since they're actually my bases...) Japan is going Imperial! Woohoo! :p

Which, by the way, I have a question...I think that America still has military bases in Japan. Since I have Japan, do those military bases belong to me now? I think that they should, since overseas stuff of a country is not claimed when you claim that country (eg. Azores and Portugal) and the military bases, although of a different history, are still there. If Japan hadn't gotten in with the Nazis in WWII, their economy would probably higher - they would have cooperated with the US, boosting their economy, and it would be higher. Of course, we're not doing that - we're taking what our countries have currently and doing what we want with it.

Gataway, TG coming your way. ;)

You get the bases but the equipment you dont get.....

BTW, New RP

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12845024#post12845024

Wow, I write a lot. Too much, actually. I'll try and tone it down. And I don't think I can finish my factbook today. I'm trying to write up and finish like 3 things at same time here, and looking up those stats...argh. I'll do it tomorrow morning. Hopefully, until then, it won't be sorely needed...

During the short span of Cold War '07, AB played as Japan, and it seemed that he was the most important player on that Earth...how did he do it...everyone was wanting relations with him, and stuff...damn. :confused:

Probably because he hated no-one. Maybe 'cept me, for the stop and search business. He jacked up the tariff, so we reduced the trade. All he had to do was join NATO...sigh.

And I'll send you a Diplomatic Communique soon enough. Barronia will try and be the new Switzerland :p *wonders how long that will last*

TG's Replied...

Can I get a confirmation on Senegal please?

Vicisse

Can I get a confirmation on Senegal please?

Vicisse

You just needed to look at the claims list to see that you were on there already.... Anyways, Welcome to AWOP!

It seems to me that Hawaii is colored in blue on the map? Is that a mistake? No one has claimed it afaik.

It seems to me that Hawaii is colored in blue on the map? Is that a mistake? No one has claimed it afaik.

Hawaii is a State..in the US not a territory..that'd be why

Hawaii is a State..in the US not a territory..that'd be why
But what's the difference compared to i.e. The Canary Islands/Spain? Whats the difference here between a state and a territory?

Hawaii is a State..in the US not a territory..that'd be why

I took a moment to figure that out...I was gonna demand the Falklands before it finally hit me that Hawaii is a state. :p

But what's the difference compared to i.e. The Canary Islands/Spain? Whats the difference here between a state and a territory?

Pretty Sure I gave Spain the Canary Islands...

But what's the difference compared to i.e. The Canary Islands/Spain? Whats the difference here between a state and a territory?

States are permitted to govern themselves Territories aren't..something along those lines

I cannot tell the difference. I looked up India on wiki, and there's a mix of states and territories... There are 7 territories and 28 states.

If I only get the states, then I'm not having New Delhi for example...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Subdivisions

I cannot tell the difference. I looked up India on wiki, and there's a mix of states and territories... There are 7 territories and 28 states.

If I only get the states, then I'm not having New Delhi for example...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#Subdivisions

Its more reffering to overseas territories, colonies, bases, etc...

Pretty Sure I gave Spain the Canary Islands...
They're not colored in Honako's color.
And the Balearic Islands (also Spain) was a separate claim.

They're not colored in Honako's color.
And the Balearic Islands (also Spain) was a separate claim.

And we'll get on that.

Yeah, realized that too late...

Its more reffering to overseas territories, colonies, bases, etc...
OK. So which territories/states are included in my claim of India? Are any of the territories declared as overseas (there are a couple of islands outside India, that are territories)? I just want to know what I have and what I haven't.

OK. So which territories/states are included in my claim of India? Are any of the territories declared as overseas (there are a couple of islands outside India, that are territories)? I just want to know what I have and what I haven't.

lol. Everything at that link (just went to it) is yours. The rule is there so military bases held by britain/US become NPC's, as it redces their influence.

What Islands do you need colored for spain?

What Islands do you need colored for spain?

Canary Islands.

Fut...Cand...and Kopp...you all have TG's...

lol. Everything at that link (just went to it) is yours. The rule is there so military bases held by britain/US become NPC's, as it redces their influence.
Ok. Thanks for clarifying this! :)

sorry wasn't on the map when I checked! many thanks

New Map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-3-1.png

Canary Islands.

Spain gets the Canary Islands? But aren't they an overseas territory? I didn't get them in EFJ, and I'm pretty sure the same rule applied for that kind of stuff.

I understand that it's close to Spain, but there are a couple islands close to Japan that I could therefore consider disputed territories.

If it's distance, then we're going into a whole nother argument that is already looking messy.

If not, why should Spain get the Canaries? Just curious.

Spain gets the Canary Islands? But aren't they an overseas territory? I didn't get them in EFJ, and I'm pretty sure the same rule applied for that kind of stuff.

I understand that it's close to Spain, but there are a couple islands close to Japan that I could therefore consider disputed territories.

If it's distance, then we're going into a whole nother argument that is already looking messy.

If not, why should Spain get the Canaries? Just curious.

Well, they are a state of Spain. But i suppose to quell an uproar I could make them not a part if need be.

RE: Gataway: Heck no, I'd just rather keep my nation all together at the moment, if you know what I mean. Heck, you're right next to Belgium and that "blood flowing" comment worries poor little Belgium...

RE: Gataway: Heck no, I'd just rather keep my nation all together at the moment, if you know what I mean. Heck, you're right next to Belgium and that "blood flowing" comment worries poor little Belgium...

Your geography is messed up. Gataway is China, Granate is Germany.

Yea dude I'm faaaar from Belgium...lol...I could eat it for breakfast tho if I got military access rights all the way to it lol

Meddeteranean Nations:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531894

We need to get this over with before a lot of shit happens.

Still lookin for more relations at my factbook. We can also do other things for ya, like launch a spy satellite if you have good relations with us.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531810

Meddeteranean Nations:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531894

We need to get this over with before a lot of shit happens.

Still lookin for more relations at my factbook. We can also do other things for ya, like launch a spy satellite if you have good relations with us.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=531810

You can launch it and I can shoot them down ! its WIN-WIN lol

I hate you people. All having similar names. Makes me confused. Just like Vetaka and Vetalia, now I got Gataway and Granate to worry about.

I hate you people. All having similar names. Makes me confused. Just like Vetaka and Vetalia, now I got Gataway and Granate to worry about.

Lol. Mine's original, don't hate me!

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Gat...Gran...only similarity is G....its not that Hard...or you could call me AIK...Armed Imperial Kingdom...I need to hurry up and get that Asiatic conference down...too bad all my members have diff TZ's...-.-

To this particular mind, they're all the same.

Oh, and for the record - You can drop the "Pan-Arab" from my name if you folks should like. I prefer Barronia anyway.

The Government refers to itself as the Republican Monarchy, not Granate. Odd yet, but we are weird.

I hate you people. All having similar names. Makes me confused. Just like Vetaka and Vetalia, now I got Gataway and Granate to worry about.
LOL!
I assume that you love me and Dweladelphia on the same grounds. :)

I hate to admit this, but I'm also having a hard time keeping Vetaka and Vetalia (?) apart... I keep looking at their sigs to see what alliances they are in. LOL

LOL!
I assume that you love me and Dweladelphia on the same grounds. :)

I hate to admit this, but I'm also having a hard time keeping Vetaka and Vetalia (?) apart... I keep looking at their sigs to see what alliances they are in. LOL

Lol, me and Vetaka are pretty tight so I don't confuse them often, although I see your point.

@Barronia- Thats nice to know. It sure is faster to type.

Oh, sorry for not posting the timeframe. We will be on a 1 RL day = 1 NS month. It allows for more tweaking, but does not progress too slow. This is debatable, but I'm pretty set on this. Today represents the month of July if we take this timeframe (which is also easier to keep up with), as yesterday was June, so everyone could get their feet under them.

LOL!
I assume that you love me and Dweladelphia on the same grounds. :)

Absolutely. Although I have trouble remembering how to spell your names. I end up keeping everyone-with-a-hard-name's factbook open (yay tabs!) and rummage through.

Absolutely. Although I have trouble remembering how to spell your names. I end up keeping everyone-with-a-hard-name's factbook open (yay tabs!) and rummage through.

Lol, I just keep my factbook open since It has everyone's names, and c&p.

My apologies regarding myself and Vetalia I am going to put (I am Vetaka in my Sig) lol

My apologies regarding myself and Vetalia I am going to put (I am Vetaka in my Sig) lol

Lol, that should probably ease things a little. For me at least. Having it stare me in the face twice, and being told who you are, should begin to get it through.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532024

My attempt at annexing Libya.

I'm gonna need someone to RP the NPC. That's a VERY generous offer, so...

Also, if/when you do accept I'm gonna need you to RP 1 or 2 resistances in Libya so that it would be realistic.

I would like the island chain between Madagascar and Africa if it is not already occupied.

Okay, I'm in. 10 points, so I choose Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and Denmark (I think Denmark is 5 points, but it is hard to read).

I would like the island chain between Madagascar and Africa if it is not already occupied.

Sure.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532024

My attempt at annexing Libya.

I'm gonna need someone to RP the NPC. That's a VERY generous offer, so...

Also, if/when you do accept I'm gonna need you to RP 1 or 2 resistances in Libya so that it would be realistic.

It's not that generous... I mean if we look at GDP Libya's is actually higher then yours (PPP{I don't know which version type you have in your factbook.)} All those things offered are nice, but if we take RL Libya and compare it with Kampfers they are nearly Political and social opposites, (at least on paper I honestly can't say in practice.) Countries don't surrender their independence easily, I can't honestly say I can even see a country like Togo (Which is about the same size but much poorer) To surrender itself for about a fifth of the countries worth.

Okay, I'm in. 10 points, so I choose Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and Denmark (I think Denmark is 5 points, but it is hard to read).

Sweet man. Welcome to AWOP. I was sure you would have taken Australia or Brazil with those points, but your claim is fine.

Thank you Kampfers!

It's not that generous... I mean if we look at GDP Libya's is actually higher then yours (PPP{I don't know which version type you have in your factbook.)} All those things offered are nice, but if we take RL Libya and compare it with Kampfers they are nearly Political and social opposites, (at least on paper I honestly can't say in practice.) Countries don't surrender their independence easily, I can't honestly say I can even see a country like Togo (Which is about the same size but much poorer) To surrender itself for about a fifth of the countries worth.

No, the freedoms is what I was referring to. I coulda been like, you will not have any powers, and I will invade you if you don't accept. Also, The terms are easily negotiable.

No, the freedoms is what I was referring to. I coulda been like, you will not have any powers, and I will invade you if you don't accept. Also, The terms are easily negotiable.

Good point and you'd easily win a war like that, but the difference is right now it's surrender some of your powers to join up with a (Per capita) poorer nation, or keep everything you have and we'll just go away. When you put it in the light of a military blood bath the picture becomes a lot better, or at least more straight forward.

I would Rp Libya but if the Rper of Libya does not go with your plans Waldenburg will probably get involved, and i would automatically say no thereby drawing myself in.

Good point and you'd easily win a war like that, but the difference is right now it's surrender some of your powers to join up with a (Per capita) poorer nation, or keep everything you have and we'll just go away. When you put it in the light of a military blood bath the picture becomes a lot better, or at least more straight forward.

I would Rp Libya but if the Rper of Libya does not go with your plans Waldenburg will probably get involved, and i would automatically say no thereby drawing myself in.

I never said I was going to go away. If the person just said no, and did not negotiate, I would be like, hmm, you see those Merkevas on your border?

I never said I was going to go away. If the person just said no, and did not negotiate, I would be like, hmm, you see those Merkevas on your border?

Libya would probably still fight. You see, Libya's mostly desert, so the defenders have the advantage. Libya also has a very large Air Force for a nation it's size.

Merkava's really don't matter when they've been knocked out by Missles shot 30 Kilometers away.

Merkava's really don't matter when they've been knocked out by Missles shot 30 Kilometers away.

True dat.

I never said I was going to go away. If the person just said no, and did not negotiate, I would be like, hmm, you see those Merkevas on your border?

I guess a smiley should have been used at that point in time. Your note says nothing about imminent invasion should Libya answer no (Rather wisely). Therefore presenting the image of either 'accept and lose power, or not accept and stay slightly the better for it.' Most people jump right to military posturing to show intent or at least hints at it. That's just the image that appears in my mind, not saying you wouldn't fight but saying your note really offer doesn't really give up much.

And Granate is right also North Africa is very hard for a modern campaign to be fought in. Look at the French in Algeria for one, though fairly out of date it still should apply. Not to mention RL Libya has a comparatively large air force though mostly only old MIGs.

New Map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-4.png

Military is going to be up ASAP (albeit an EXTREMELY rough version). This has included days of research. Sources have been double checked and confirmed by other sources as well. If you don't like the numbers, you'd better have something good to back it up with.

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12846211#post12846211)

OOC: I would like to Claim South Africa(4), Mauritius(1),, Netherlands(1), Iceland(2), Austria(2) = 10

I never said I was going to go away. If the person just said no, and did not negotiate, I would be like, hmm, you see those Merkevas on your border?

Um, to whoever is RPing Libya - losing your independence, and fighting, if not winning, a very close war - pretty much two options. If Waldenburg is doing it, but might get involved - well, I don't know. That would seem unfair. Still, I think that I can politically support Kampfers, if he agrees to a few things....

OOC: this isnt going to be one of those 'Rape Non-Player Nations...because I suck at real RP' earths is it?

OOC: this isnt going to be one of those 'Rape Non-Player Nations...because I suck at real RP' earths is it?

I really hope not.... That’s why the Imperium will be running interference.

OOC: I would like to Claim South Africa(4), Mauritius(1),, Netherlands(1), Iceland(2), Austria(2) = 10

Confirmed, Kampf will update the List, I'll Update the map. Welcome to AWOP.

Dwelfa adding you to MSN

Dwelfa adding you to MSN

Sweet,

Also, New map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-5.png

WoW so many new Nations :eek: anyway i added you already check your MSN.

Is Canada claimed yet? If not, may I take it?

Is Canada claimed yet? If not, may I take it?

Sure Go Ahead!

OOC: this isnt going to be one of those 'Rape Non-Player Nations...because I suck at real RP' earths is it?

No, Libya is the only NPC I really want, and it is for strategic reasons.

OOC: I would like to Claim South Africa(4), Mauritius(1),, Netherlands(1), Iceland(2), Austria(2) = 10

Sure, adding you now.

Kampfers do we have a war mod?

Sure Go Ahead!

Thanks, doing a little research now and I'll post a factbook asap.

Is Canada claimed yet? If not, may I take it?

I added you with canada, if you want you can take something worth 1 point too to finish your claim points...

Kampfers do we have a war mod?

eh?

Me and DP are co-mods, if we wanted to we could add a third one, but a "war mod"?

Ya... My MSN isnt working for some reason. So if you have AIM just IM me there.

Its: williamsfilms

eh?

Me and DP are co-mods, if we wanted to we could add a third one, but a "war mod"?

Basicly its a mod that makes sure everything in a war is going fare. THey make sure nobodys godmoding. We can do that, but we might need to get a war mod. Not sure yet.

As i have had to take the military of romania does that included weapon systems ordered

Basicly its a mod that makes sure everything in a war is going fare. THey make sure nobodys godmoding. We can do that, but we might need to get a war mod. Not sure yet.

If this world gets much bigger we will need one, lol.

I added you with canada, if you want you can take something worth 1 point too to finish your claim points...

No thanks, I'd rather just focus on Canada. Maybe I can go nuts and invade Alaska sometime...

No thanks, I'd rather just focus on Canada. Maybe I can go nuts and invade Alaska sometime...

:mad: Uh, ya right.... You just try and invade it.... See wut happens..... lol

No thanks, I'd rather just focus on Canada. Maybe I can go nuts and invade Alaska sometime...

Heh, suicide by America. Sounds familiar.

No thanks, I'd rather just focus on Canada. Maybe I can go nuts and invade Alaska sometime...

Lol, that would be awesome. Get Russia on your side and do a joint invasion...

Lol, that would be awesome. Get Russia on your side and do a joint invasion...

Hey, dont give him any ideas.... lol

I think a war is coming on, but hey I have practically no millitary.

I think I will be focusing on improving anglo-canadian and american-canadian relations and trade. Alaska will have to wait for now.

Hey, dont give him any ideas.... lol

China is allied with Russia....Just so you know.....:p

I think a war is coming on, but hey I have practically no millitary.

hmmm, I KNOW a war is coming on... *runs away* "MOOMMMMYYYYY!"

:D

No, I meant that Grunder Industries dug itself into a big hole,six feet to be exact.

I'll be basing my factbook layout on Pan-Arab Barronia's if thats alright with them, it's both easy to read and saves thinking up my own.

No, I meant that Grunder Industries dug itself into a big hole,six feet to be exact.

How do you figure that...?

I hope America doesn't try and intervene with every conflict, otherwise this earth will not be very exciting. I mean, I'm not saying you can't do what you want with your foreign affairs, but I just hope that it isn't going to be an earth ruled by a superpower...

H-Town, I replied to your message in my factbook.

I think I will be focusing on improving anglo-canadian...relations and trade

Huzzah!

lol, it appears that 90% of the ppl on II are in AWOP, lol...

look at it, we have half the threads on the first page, lol.

I hope America doesn't try and intervene with every conflict, otherwise this earth will not be very exciting. I mean, I'm not saying you can't do what you want with your foreign affairs, but I just hope that it isn't going to be an earth ruled by a superpower...

H-Town, I replied to your message in my factbook.

America leave Asia the hell alone its MINE I tell you MINE!!!!!!!!!!11

:p

How do you figure that...?

Everybody is building up their millitary and Grunder Industries just pissed half of AWOP off.

lol, it appears that 90% of the ppl on II are in AWOP, lol...

look at it, we have half the threads on the first page, lol.

I know its hard to keep up with everything..I see a factbook and I'm like...do I have relations with that person yet or not...BAH I can't remember...so then I check it...do the lil lame post for embassy exchange deal..and when i get back to II there's ANOTHER one I have to go fill out and look at..

Everybody is building up their millitary and Grunder Industries just pissed half of AWOP off.

Where did he piss off half of AWOP??? Linky Linky

Where did he piss off half of AWOP??? Linky Linky

IC thread. Honako, Granate, and H-Town Tejas...

hmmm, I KNOW a war is coming on... *runs away* "MOOMMMMYYYYY!"

:D

I do to..although I definitely won't be losing it lol

Oh well, better get the lads to dust off the ol' diplomacy table...

IC thread. Honako, Granate, and H-Town Tejas...

pfft all I have to say again......"China" is allied with "Russia"

:D

Where did he piss off half of AWOP??? Linky Linky

Well I dont know but everyone else seems mad at him.

everyone in Europe seems mad at him..most of us Asian countries like em...

everyone in Europe seems mad at him..most of us Asian countries like em...

Im not taking a side. I dont see where he made anyone mad but everyone is mad.

Im not taking a side. I dont see where he made anyone mad but everyone is mad.

wise decision on your part..as you would get gobbled up..

Back. Could I see a link to what happened?

wise decision on your part..as you would get gobbled up..

Gobbled up in SECONDS

Why is everyone mad at him i just dont see why?

Back. Could I see a link to what happened?

Its all in the IC thread, man.

Back. Could I see a link to what happened?

check the IC thread

Oh wait now i know, he is a commie and someone tried to end communism.

I think i will build an air force other than my current one,a flippin cessna is all i have.

Darn I had it backwards.

Grunder isn't a commie...he's a corporation for christs sake...Honako is a commie and Grunder said communism is dead...

Basically, he is a nation run by a corporation, something against my nations views - so me and H-Town, the major socialists of the world, plus Granate kindly and somewhat out of the blue, refuse to recognize the Industries leadership over the nation and have called for the people to basically try and overthrow and protest against their oppressors.

It's only been a four way thing really though.

As long as nobody gets too greedy i will be fine.

i want your land BHH lol...Jk...or am I...? dun dun dun.....

Well then i am screwed. oh no massive volcanic eruption,all your troops die,lol.

eh Tactical nuclear warhead then :p

eh Tactical nuclear warhead then :p

Well the er... my people are invincible and they are cannibals,so they eat all your people.

Honako, I just TGed you.

I'm not going to intervene ion EVERY conflict. Just ones of importance.

Guys, how many times must I express this! You have to use your NS nations name as your AWOP name. The only thing you keep from RL is the stats and equipment.

Guys, how many times must I express this! You have to use your NS nations name as your AWOP name. The only thing you keep from RL is the stats and equipment.

I didn't do something wrong did I? If so I'm sorry.

I am using my NS name..Armed Imperial Kingdom of Gataway..sitting in a landmass that looks like china...anytime I make a reference of an RL nation its because its easier to remember than NS names..and I usally put it in parantheses like "Vietnam"


as long as you dont refer to yourself as Comoros Islands or w/e and you refer to yourself as Bull Horns Rule then you're fine...

I am using my NS name..Armed Imperial Kingdom of Gataway..sitting in a landmass that looks like china...anytime I make a reference of an RL nation its because its easier to remember than NS names..and I usally put it in parantheses like "Vietnam"

lol I am so sigging that!

whats so funny about it...?..NVM...leave me alone I'm hung over

I know we inherit whatever territiory we are on military but what about stuff that has been ordered

I think so.

I have had 32 posts in the last 4 hrs.

Can I roleplay a downsize of my military before I put it up since I don't want to inherit a 9,000,000 man army including reserves.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12847674&posted=1#post12847674)

Factbook above.

I think so.

I have had 32 posts in the last 4 hrs.

lol, I am now 54 posts from reaching 2000 posts. And I've only been here since March.

(I have to admit some of my early posts did suck, but oh well)

spammer

Spam

i know

spammer

Actually, I never spammed. And stop polluting the thread...

MORE SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is the awop date

what is the awop date

its in the OP

Can I roleplay a downsize of my military before I put it up since I don't want to inherit a 9,000,000 man army including reserves.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12847674&posted=1#post12847674)

Factbook above.

?

?

I have already answered this question before!

If you roleplay it, its ok!

Alright. Thought this was under different circumstances.

I would like to join and claim the Bahamas.

I know that my one post may look bad, but I have been a roleplayer in other games, and for the past few weeks I have been trying to figure out NS roleplaying.

If I'm in, I will proceed to work on the factbook

SK Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12847844#post12847844)

I need an Rper please.

Hey guys, in addition to this RP, I have started an offsite one called "The Third World War", about the hypothetical conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, as well as other blocs on other continents etc. Join up, please!


http://z7.invisionfree.com/The_Third_World_War/index.php?act=idx


The only claimed nations so far are East Germany, Bulgaria, Israel and Pakistan.

My factbook is now complete and I'm ready to start accepting embassies and opening trade and relations. I see Kampfers found the page already, but here's the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532081).

I would like to join and claim the Bahamas.

I know that my one post may look bad, but I have been a roleplayer in other games, and for the past few weeks I have been trying to figure out NS roleplaying.

If I'm in, I will proceed to work on the factbook

Confirmed, Welcome to AWOP!!!!

Dweladelfia, would you be interested in joining a NORAD style agreement as exists between the RL US and Canada? Besides that, how do an alliance and trade agreements sound?

New Map: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-7.png

DP..you having bases in Vietnam makes me uneasy maybe I should put out a "Monroe doctrine" of my own...:cool:...and for god sakes someone Pick Australia and some of the African countries!

Dweladelfia, would you be interested in joining a NORAD style agreement as exists between the RL US and Canada? Besides that, how do an alliance and trade agreements sound?

Sounds sweet, put it up in the IC thread and I'll respond to it there. :)

Karlonian Canal (RL Panama Canal) Conference thread up... details are inside but those who come get exclusive trading and shipping rights with the Federation. Also a chance to strengthen or establish relations with the Federation.

EDIT: Link is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532091)

Sounds sweet, put it up in the IC thread and I'll respond to it there. :)

I'll get to it eventually, AWOP sure does move fast, I'm still sorting out diplomatic relations at the moment.

Yea my factbook is done. Just saying.

Factbook is up:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532034

Just wondering if anyone is researching/producing/or selling VTOL aircraft. With my ships ships that my navy is producing (the close air support catamaran), I need 2+ squadrons (24-30 fighters) of VTOL fighters.

So, anyone have any?

fut you have a TG my friend..

My factbook here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532097).

I am sick - again. So finishing up that factbook might take a little bit of time as it's hard to concentrate on research when you feel like you're going to be sick all over the keyboard. :(

Hopefully, I will get better soon. ;)

Edit: Replied to TG Gataway.

Just wondering if anyone is researching/producing/or selling VTOL aircraft. With my ships ships that my navy is producing (the close air support catamaran), I need 2+ squadrons (24-30 fighters) of VTOL fighters.

So, anyone have any?

I am. Hit up my Factbook.

There's more RP posts about our little tiff Candistan for you to look over in the IC thread. ;)

Just wondering if anyone is researching/producing/or selling VTOL aircraft. With my ships ships that my navy is producing (the close air support catamaran), I need 2+ squadrons (24-30 fighters) of VTOL fighters.

So, anyone have any?

I could sell you some Harriers.

I love this world. I'm so contreversial :)

But yeah, Ambrose, I have Yak-141's that you can buy, as well as Yak-41's if you want to stay on the cheaper side.

I have MiG 21s

Dwel, can you give me a price quote for the 24-30 Harriers?

Candistan, I've posted in your factbook about the fighters.

I have MiG 21s

I could take more MiG's if you have them,I want a bigger air force considering when i took over it was a cessna and a helicopter.

30 Harriers will run you 900 Million US Dollars.

I could take more MiG's if you have them,I want a bigger air force considering when i took over it was a cessna and a helicopter.

HAHAHA..I'm china so I have a shit load of migs..however you'll not be gettin any of my J-10's..of JF-17's

oh and TAKE THAT (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532101) you western countries!!!

oh and TAKE THAT (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532101) you western countries!!!

w00t Asia rules.

w00t Asia rules.

:P riiiiiight......

w00t Asia rules.

all in due time..all in due time...i wonder how many smaller nations I will have just frightened...with that statement lol

:P riiiiiight......

dont forget who makes all your hot wheels and other trinkets and the like..=P

oh and TAKE THAT (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532101) you western countries!!!
[Signed]

Shit, looks like I'm gonna have to pick sides, and fast.

Do I go with the Med Sea nations, or with Asia...

If at all possible, I would like to claim Argentina, Uruguay and the South Atlantic islands.

Asia if you wanna live lol...=p

I will take Brazil, Paraguay, and Guyana as Brazil.

If at all possible, I would like to claim Argentina, Uruguay and the South Atlantic islands.

Confirmerd. welcome to AWOP.

Still hardly any african nations and no australia.

I will take Brazil, Paraguay, and Guyana as Brazil.

Confirmed. But you take it as Jaredcohenia. Read the rules for the explanation.

Confirmerd. welcome to AWOP.

Still hardly any african nations and no australia.

thank yeee

New map with our South American friends: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-6-1.png


I'm running out of colors..... lol

thank yeee

no problem.

New map with our South American friends: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/AWOP2-1-6-1.png


I'm running out of colors..... lol

OK, Im adding that.


@Candistan: Do you have AIM/MSN?

I hate to be picky, but can you reverse the colors for Franberry and I? I was speaking to him and he wants blue for his nation and I would like the Green for my own nation.

If not, sorry. :)

Also, what are the rules for invading NPC nations? >_>

I don't want to be a prick, but I could not help noticing that the Malvinas are not painted green. Are they counted apart from the South Atlantic Islands? (I thought they were all together, I would rather have the Malvinas than the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands)

I got the alliance proposal posted in the IC thread, Dweladelfia.

no problem.



OK, Im adding that.


@Candistan: Do you have AIM/MSN?
I do but i dont usually go on. I can start though.

I don't want to be a prick, but I could not help noticing that the Malvinas are not painted green. Are they counted apart from the South Atlantic Islands? (I thought they were all together, I would rather have the Malvinas than the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands)

I painted the only Islands I saw. There yours. But there just to small for the map.

I painted the only Islands I saw. There yours. But there just to small for the map.

Malvinas are the Falkland Islands, Argentina refers to them as the Malvinas and the Malvinas (Falkland Islands aren't apart of the South Atlantic Island Chain.

I do but i dont usually go on. I can start though.

yeah, can you im me on whichever one you have? My sns are under my name on the left...

SIC:

TO: The Imperium of Dweladelfia Prime
FROM: The Naashan Canadian Union

Dear Prime Minister Santorum,

I write regarding the formation of an alliance between our two nations, similar to that conceived in the recently formed Pact of Gold. In fact, the existence of that pact is what spurs me to write.

I'm sure I do not need to point out to you the disadvantages to our own nations that will be caused by a solid power bloc in Asia. Besides the obvious military and strategic ramifications, there are also shifts in economic power to consider. Needless to say, I think it wise we act to counter-balance what could otherwise become a dominant world power.

Therefore, I propose an alliance between our two nations, both economic, political and military. The main tenet of such an alliance would of course be the defence of the North American continent, and I propose the establishment of a defensive organisation toward this aim. Further to this, I propose an open border policy along the Canadian Union-Imperium border, in order to encourage further trade and migration between our nations.

I do understand that you may have some concerns regarding an open border, so I will leave open the option of imposing restrictions deemed to be absoloutely necessary. I will also push for the reduction of trade tariffs between our developed nations, particularly in compatible areas of our economy. On that note, I also propose the export of Canadian Union surplus oil and natural gas to the Imperium, as I am sure that you will be keen to reduce the amount imported from the Middle East and Asia.

Next, I wish to propose the joint development of South and Central American countries by our two nations, as this should prove beneficial to us and is indeed the responsibility of developed nations. The nations I had in mind include Aurum Domus (Mexico), H-Town Tejas (Peru and Bolivia) and Ambrose-Douglas (Panama and Columbia), the latter of which seems to have taken quite a spurt both economically and in the role it wishes to play internationally.

I eagerly await your response to my proposals and hope that you wish to discuss them at length.

Sincerely,
Jonathan Wellt,
Prime Minister,
Naashan Canadian Union.


Nice to know my ideas influence the world =P

Nice to know my ideas influence the world =P

I got mentioned. :-)

Anyways, I'm out for the a few hours. I'll bbl and deal with some Karlonian Canal stuff, VTOL aircraft purchases, and the like.

I got mentioned. :-)

Anyways, I'm out for the a few hours. I'll bbl and deal with some Karlonian Canal stuff, VTOL aircraft purchases, and the like.

Did you see my post? Just wondering.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/seal4.gif

To: Prime Minister Jonathan Wellt

We at the Imperium think it is in the best interest of our two nations to go forward with this alliance. It will strengthen the American continents and better defend them from foreign aggressors. This alliance will prove as deterrence to the Asian threat.

A joint work effort into strengthen our militaries would also be something that this alliance could provide. Newer and advanced naval technology to protect out waters, as well as more advanced air defense systems. This will prove to be a necessity in the coming days with the rise of this Asian power.

An open boarder policy would be expectable to us. This would make it easier for trade and tourism. Trade will prove another benefactor of this alliance. Making it easier to acquire goods form each other instead of going overseas. Oil will also be cheaper when using our oil reserve instead of buying form Middle East nations.

Strengthening our South American brothers will be beneficial to both us and them. Our main goal should be to improve there economies and there defensive capabilities. During these times of the growing Asian threat we must all band together as Americans and stand up against them. Ambrose-Douglas should be our main concern because of his strategic importance. We should move to increasing his defensive capabilities.

We thank you for issuing this great step towards peace and unity on the American Continent.

- Prime Minister Santorum

OOC: Do you have AIM?

I like how you refer to Asia as a threat numerous times..seeing as that wasn't a SIC post.rather and open response to one....my people and particularly my government aren't going to appreciate being deemed a threat by the west due to the mere formation of an alliance with our neighbors......=P

I like how you refer to Asia as a threat numerous times..seeing as that wasn't a SIC post.rather and open response to one....my people and particularly my government aren't going to appreciate being deemed a threat by the west due to the mere formation of an alliance with our neighbors......=P

Will WWIII begin by a clerical error I wonder?

Will WWIII begin by a clerical error I wonder?

lol, that would be hilarious...

I have no intentions of bothering the west..the entire alliance was mostly to maintain our own regional stability..thus the clause where you don't HAVE to support the other member states in offensive operations you only have to support defensive ones.....however since the west is already deeming us a threat..the only logical assumption I can make is that this new super alliances frightens them somewhat... :D;)..thus we (The pact of gold) still hold a critical idealogical advantage...you silly westerners..:p

however since the west is already deeming us a threat

*Points to freshly polished diplomacy table*

*Points to freshly polished diplomacy table*

Lol....I have embassies in both DP and Naasha...surely they would want to talk with me...unless of course they plan on further insulting my government..I believe now would be a good time to establish a POG Monroe doctrine effectively barring the west out of Asia...

TG Kopparbergs.

I have no intentions of bothering the west..the entire alliance was mostly to maintain our own regional stability..thus the clause where you don't HAVE to support the other member states in offensive operations you only have to support defensive ones.....however since the west is already deeming us a threat..the only logical assumption I can make is that this new super alliances frightens them somewhat... :D;)..thus we (The pact of gold) still hold a critical idealogical advantage...you silly westerners..:p

That transmission was the Prime minister. It wasn’t broadcasted to the world. To technically your leaders never saw it.

oh well...it will still be clear of your distrust for the POG.....a super alliance is formed so the US and Canada form their own shortly there after..logically its a sign they are uneasy over the POG..;)

oh well...it will still be clear of your distrust for the POG.....a super alliance is formed so the US and Canada form their own shortly there after..logically its a sign they are uneasy over the POG..;)

Its NATO and Warsaw pact all over again. lol

Dweladelfia prime I've sent you a TG. Thanks.

lol..except this time Russia and China aren't commies...we're capitalists...so we aren't going to "fall" ;)

Canada is probably the most socialist nation out of the two alliances actually. :D

Now, next to develop some European friends. Honako and Pan-Arab Barronia are the likely targets.

NAASHA Do you have AIM? I need to talk to you ASAP.

*laughs as Pakistani farmers continue farming as the other nations kill each other* w00t!

I replied in the IC thread, you must have missed it. I have MSN, my addy is Naasha@hotmail.co.uk

NAASHA Do you have AIM? I need to talk to you ASAP.

Hey man. I want your AIM. IM me. I want to talk to you too

Hey man. I want your AIM. IM me. I want to talk to you too

NO! HE'S MINE! -drags Dweladelfia away from Maldorians-