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That's a good point. 1920 is a very special year. It does have certain events that could or couldn't be very important. In relation the posibility of another RIF war in 1920 is a huge posibility. Whether or not it's as succesful or not is important.

Other things around the world also could happen. And the current Antartic Debate could be dragged on for 3 years, but a total of 8 is a little long. Besides, too long year jumps can be problematic. Just a note.

I oppose jumping forward. Consider that we have already arrived at 1917. Jumping to 1920 would be only a three-year jump. Because GB says would "put the game on hold for a couple of weeks," we could probably have the next three years be relatively quiet ones over the holidays, which puts us at 1920 anyway. If you think about it this way, there's really no need for a jump.

Besides, I dislike the idea of jumps in general because they make E20 all about wars, which I'm not in favor of.

I oppose jumping forward. Consider that we have already arrived at 1917. Jumping to 1920 would be only a three-year jump. Because GB says would "put the game on hold for a couple of weeks," we could probably have the next three years be relatively quiet ones over the holidays, which puts us at 1920 anyway. If you think about it this way, there's really no need for a jump.

Besides, I dislike the idea of jumps in general because they make E20 all about wars, which I'm not in favor of.

Seconds this

So my question is this? Would you support something along these lines.

Those countries that have players leaving for the holidays, you will do your next three weeks of builds. This is after the economic rules and such are done, and some countries get our updates. And then those who don't go on holiday, agree not to do anything major until then. It's simple, but effective. Like no Germany invading France while the player is away kinda crap. (Sorry Safehaven, it was only an example.)

So my question is this? Would you support something along these lines.

Those countries that have players leaving for the holidays, you will do your next three weeks of builds. This is after the economic rules and such are done, and some countries get our updates. And then those who don't go on holiday, agree not to do anything major until then. It's simple, but effective. Like no Germany invading France while the player is away kinda crap. (Sorry Safehaven, it was only an example.)

Or we could have the player choose a substitute to play for them if something happens.

All in all, however, I am highly against any jump. It is going to be these key inter-war years that set up the next war, and if we don't HAVE any inter-war years, then we end up with boring WWII

The problem with that is that some of the key nations might leave for the holidays and substitutes can really muck something up. I agree too far a jump in the inter-war years can screw things up, but substitutes is not the answer.

I oppose jumping forward. Consider that we have already arrived at 1917. Jumping to 1920 would be only a three-year jump. Because GB says would "put the game on hold for a couple of weeks," we could probably have the next three years be relatively quiet ones over the holidays, which puts us at 1920 anyway. If you think about it this way, there's really no need for a jump.

Besides, I dislike the idea of jumps in general because they make E20 all about wars, which I'm not in favor of.

main reason for a hold is that I will be busy for the next couple of weeks

if a jump happens, 1925 is my preferred date because it would move up tech levels

if not, then no jump is my recommendation

I'm against a jump, myself...I'm sure we can keep from blowing up the world for a three-week period over the holidays?

We could simply decide on a "gentleman's agreement" to not do anything massively destabilizing in the period 1917-1920.

Edit: Beaten to it, dammit!

Could I possibly join this Rp? I don't have too much experience, but I've been watching this RP for a while and you guys definitely know know what you're doing.

As for a country, I'd like Ukraine, (since it's a dominion, and Russia could help me with any problems I run into) but if anyone thinks that's too important, I could take Belguim or something in South America.


I wouldn't mind having a Ukranian player at all.

The holidays at most encompass a mere three year period of game time, which promise to be relatively peaceful (builds and diplomacy for the most part, with some little nasty fringe wars here and there). Seeing as how GB will be busy a hold or a simple three year fast forward to 1920 seem best (and as GB has expressed his support for the former that is likely what is going to happen).

I don't think putting the game on some sort of zombie mode Auto-Pilot is the best idea, as, while it would indeed help kill dead time, it could easily stumble into something that urgently needs the chief mods attention.

I suggest that instead the players concentrate on the various diplomatic conferences that have sprung up and would be difficult to RP in rich detail while time was continuing at its standard pace.

As long as we have a consensus not to start wars or anything through 1920, I don't think there's danger of a "stumble" onto something urgent.

The holidays at most encompass a mere three year period of game time, which promise to be relatively peaceful (builds and diplomacy for the most part, with some little nasty fringe wars here and there). Seeing as how GB will be busy a hold or a simple three year fast forward to 1920 seem best (and as GB has expressed his support for the former that is likely what is going to happen).

I don't think putting the game on some sort of zombie mode Auto-Pilot is the best idea, as, while it would indeed help kill dead time, it could easily stumble into something that urgently needs the chief mods attention.

I suggest that instead the players concentrate on the various diplomatic conferences that have sprung up and would be difficult to RP in rich detail while time was continuing at its standard pace.

good plan,

The US by the way is about to announce the Washington Naval Treaty Conference, and attending is highly recommended

or else (evil grin... consider how big a navy the US COULD build if provoked)

send Parthini a TG with your other nations name (since clearly its not this one), and links to any experience you might have
Okay he said I'm good to go, so would I get Ukraine or Belguim? I would be fine with either one.

Okay he said I'm good to go, so would I get Ukraine or Belguim? I would be fine with either one.

Your choice, Belgium might be an easier start for a first time player though.

Especcially since it's neutrality was kept firm during this First World War, unlike real life.

Especcially since it's neutrality was kept firm during this First World War, unlike real life.
Well, that's probably more because France attacked Germany and wanted AL, rather than other Nations' dedication to Belgian nuetrality.

You guys have a good point, I'll take Belguim. Is there a previous Belguim thread that I could use or should I make a new one?

Well, that's probably more because France attacked Germany and wanted AL, rather than other Nations' dedication to Belgian nuetrality.

You guys have a good point, I'll take Belguim. Is there a previous Belguim thread that I could use or should I make a new one?


Make a new one, It's not as if bytes are an endangered species

I say we just let the game continue at it's normal pace. There's nothing that really needs mod attention and no major conflicts to work out. I'm against a pause because these are just lame years with few major events and the only conflict even worth mentioning is the dispute over a giant chunk of ice (Antarctica). On the flip side, a jump would put any current discussions and conferences further behind the current time.

So in other words, I think the mods (if they won't be avaliable) should post any natural disasters or other events that will happen during the next 3 weeks and people can then post their builds for the holidays.

Washington Naval Treaty Conference

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12114214&posted=1#post12114214

Heads up..I'll be out of town from Friday to Sunday.

I'll be out of town from Saturday afternoon for about a week though I should be able to get online sometime

I'm going to be away for the next 4-7 days, so dont blow up the world or anything. Okay?

Will be leaving Sunday morning, so won't be on for a week or less depending on whether I can get to the library or not.

probably will be around or have acess, but it seems like this week will be a dead one

Also, Japan has all of Sakhalin, and an Outer Mongolia section in Manchuria for the front page

I will be busy pretty much until Tuesday myself

1918 has arrived

http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page

http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page

Hurrah! OUR VERY OWN WIKI! =D

I have much experience with Wikis, so if you need a mod, I'ma your guy!

I can't see the top half of the map


I suggest that each nation begin wikipedia articles on their own nations, and events that they did, so we can divide it somewhat evenly. Someone has to volunteer to do the wars and battles though, maybe add some characterization (eg. General Brusilov believed...)

I can't see the top half of the map


I suggest that each nation begin wikipedia articles on their own nations, and events that they did, so we can divide it somewhat evenly. Someone has to volunteer to do the wars and battles though, maybe add some characterization (eg. General Brusilov believed...)

I like wars and battles! I can be the Africa Mod, or at least the Africa War Mod. Especially seeing how I'm the only player country in Africa :D

I like wars and battles! I can be the Africa Mod, or at least the Africa War Mod. Especially seeing how I'm the only player country in Africa :D

No.

I'll handle the battles in Siberia, China, and naval battle my navy was involved in.

No.

Why? I can assure you, I am qualified when it comes to Wiki articles. Here is my Neo-Carthage (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Neo-Carthage) NS Wiki article. It won featured article! Not to mention, I have been in this RP for longer than even you, I am the only player nation in Africa, and Africa hasn't had any real wars yet.

Why? I can assure you, I am qualified when it comes to Wiki articles. Here is my Neo-Carthage (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Neo-Carthage) NS Wiki article. It won featured article! Not to mention, I have been in this RP for longer than even you, I am the only player nation in Africa, and Africa hasn't had any real wars yet.

You can write the African wiki articles... My no was in response to:

I can be the Africa Mod, or at least the Africa War Mod.

You can write the African wiki articles... My no was in response to:

That's what I meant. The African WIKI articles mod. Not the actual Africa mod. Heavens no. And it's not so much a mod position as I make sure that all the articles are as nice-looking as can be.

Any news on the Contestado Conflict?

Any news on the Contestado Conflict?

It burned out in 1916, having in total cost 12,000 in battle related deaths (10,500 rebel and 1,500 government) and 30,000 dead, wounded or disappeared civilians. A Government Victory.

another relatively uneventful year has passed

it is now 1919

another relatively uneventful year has passed

it is now 1919

GB, could you put the Wiki (http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page) on the main page?

Also back from vacation, uhh I believe me and Turkey still need the updates on our tech advancement and the improvements in our food, resource, and other stuff. Been 2 years without it. Understand the vacation, but we really need it.

And uhh how do you write a wiki article anyways?

Also back from vacation, uhh I believe me and Turkey still need the updates on our tech advancement and the improvements in our food, resource, and other stuff. Been 2 years without it. Understand the vacation, but we really need it.

And uhh how do you write a wiki article anyways?

Read this (http://editthis.info/e20/E20:Page_editing) to learn the basics, and use this (http://editthis.info/e20/E20:Sandbox) to get the feel for it. For more complicated things (like country infoboxes), I can do it for you, just put down the information.

1919 is going to have some issues.. see British, Japanese, US, Canadian and Major events threads for details

Sukaida, read the economic rules, you should be able to figure out from that if you meet the requirements for tech advancement

GB, could you put the Wiki (http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page) on the main page?

done

Uhh that's not what I was asking. I know I reached the tech advancement. I need to know what are the benefits I glean from gaining a tech advancement. Such as coal reserves being found in the Basque region. (Which would be happening around this time in Spain.) And food production increase. I don't think the rules state the additions you get in resources and food in numbers in the rules. If that's changed, then I'll go check it.

But I know I reached tech lvl 5 in 1917.

Oh by the way, Spanish Morocco has reached tech lvl 3 in 1919.

Denmark Reached tech 4.5

/me hopes for any benefit either to food or to resources

Imperial China is now tech level 4

Perhaps someone would like to add some articles on major events to the wiki? maybe go by decades ('06-'10, '11-20, etc) using the info GB posts in the major events thread with each nation responsible for adding important info that happened in their own nation during the time period?

I would offer to do it but time is an issue right now :)

Uhh that's not what I was asking. I know I reached the tech advancement. I need to know what are the benefits I glean from gaining a tech advancement. Such as coal reserves being found in the Basque region. (Which would be happening around this time in Spain.) And food production increase. I don't think the rules state the additions you get in resources and food in numbers in the rules. If that's changed, then I'll go check it.

But I know I reached tech lvl 5 in 1917.

Oh by the way, Spanish Morocco has reached tech lvl 3 in 1919.

tg me a link to your latest economic post

Alright will send you a link to the 1919 economic uhh thing. Sending now.

KMT China is now tech 3--I did spend the appropriate points (spaced out over a longer period due to the expense).

Hey GB, did you get my TG from a day or two ago? I'm asking becuase I didn;t get a response, and I thought your box was overfilled. I can send it again if you didn't get it

Hey GB, did you get my TG from a day or two ago? I'm asking becuase I didn;t get a response, and I thought your box was overfilled. I can send it again if you didn't get it

regarding garrison in Korea? yes I got it

I would like to apply to join this roleplay. I rather enjoy writing and hypothesizing about alternate history scenarios and this roleplay seems like it fits the bill. I know I do not have much roleplay here at Nationstates but that is because I cannot find any decent roleplays to participate in. This roleplay caught my eye just recently and after skimming through a bit of it, the roleplay has me interested. Please let me know if you are willing to have an avid history-lover roleplay with you guys. Thanks!

You seem like a viable player. However, as you don't have much experience on NS, I need to see some of your writing on another RP. Send me some links or an example of an alternate history RP via tg.

Parthini;12173807']You seem like a viable player. However, as you don't have much experience on NS, I need to see some of your writing on another RP. Send me some links or an example of an alternate history RP via tg.

Thank you. Actually I have been working on an alternate history story for a couple of months off-line. The premise is that Kaiser Wilheim II ordered unrestricted sub warfare to be semi-restricted, meaning no attacks on American ships or ships with American civilians. The LeMore-Gore proposal also passed which bars Americans from travelling on belligerent shipping (in real life the proposal failed to pass). The excerpt I have is kind of long so I am uncertain whether it will fit in a telegram or not. I would be more than happy to post the excerpt here in this thread for the E20 community to review if they wish.

added a South America regional NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?=12176193&posted=1#post12176193


For me it says no thread specified...

For me it says no thread specified...

That link is bad, it will be fixed tomorrow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513442

Hey Abbassia, could you possibly update the nations post with the new French page?

Hi. I was just informed by Parthini that I have been accepted into the E20 community. He has advised me to choose a nation to roleplay and to learn the E20 economic system. Right now I see a somewhat limited selection of nations to roleplay and I see that most all nations that I have experience with (Germany, France, Austria, Britain, Italy, and Russia) are taken by other E20 players. My experience with these nations are from my WW-1 era research and my alternate history story.

I notice the United States is a NPC yet the US is a pretty important nation in the 20th century. I would like to choose to roleplay the US. I am aware it is a great responibility to roleplay such a large and industrialized nation. I have a decent understanding of 1910's and 1920's United States politics, economics, and military. In my alternate history story arc, I was planning on a continued isolationist US as it never joined WW-1 in my story. I could try roleplaying the US for a short time like a week or two and see if I am worthy of continuing to roleplay the US. If Parthini and the other E20 moderators feel that I am not doing an good job of roleplaying the US such as being ahistorical or not in-line with the trends within the US then I would be more than happy to switch to another nation. Please let me know and I truly hope my roleplay experience in E20 will be a wonderful one.

USA is going to Middle Snu after four years of being an NPC.

For a new player, I'd suggest either one of the more prosperous South American countries or Portugal, as you have a decent economy, military, and are not a puppet to some other power. Otherwise, some middle eastern countries, and possibly some playable colonial domions are free, but you will be subservient to another power most likely.

Go for Portugal for a few weeks in order to get yourself accustomed to the economics and military rules, then switch to a South American nation becuase there's more fun and excitement

Due to a major development (see polish thread), any navies that need to lose ships before the 1920 deadline from the Washington naval treaty, and wouldn't mind selling them, the Polish republican navy would be happy to buy them, to get themselves established.

Its rather disappointing that I will not be able to roleplay the United States. There were a few things I would have liked to do with the United States. No Franklin Roosevelt presidency, explore some gangster situations (Al Capone as Mayor, anyone? This could possibly occur if I do not have William Emmett Dever win the election in Chicago), do the infrastructure programs differently (have the local governments not go so deep into debt), different economic policies (try to avoid the "bubble" leading to the 1929 crash), etc.

I notice there are several other choices other than Portugal. I was wondering if I could attempt to roleplay either the Bolsheviks or communist China? I noticed that a few important nations were left out of the list, India and Persia being two examples. If I cannot roleplay either communist parties, may I try Persia or India? Please pardon my slight feeling of frustration at the limited choices presented before me as there's very few "open" nations available to roleplay.

I notice there are several other choices other than Portugal. I was wondering if I could attempt to roleplay either the Bolsheviks or communist China? I noticed that a few important nations were left out of the list, India and Persia being two examples. If I cannot roleplay either communist parties, may I try Persia or India? Please pardon my slight feeling of frustration at the limited choices presented before me as there's very few "open" nations available to roleplay.

Well India is British colony atm...and Persia is cut in two states, one puppet of Russia and the other is a puppet of Britian. I said go for a South American nation...they have alot of move to grow and less limts on them or you could take Bolsheviks...are althought it might be a bit harder then rl...given that Imperial Russia is more stable somewhat while compare to rl Russia.

I notice there are several other choices other than Portugal. I was wondering if I could attempt to roleplay either the Bolsheviks or communist China? I noticed that a few important nations were left out of the list, India and Persia being two examples. If I cannot roleplay either communist parties, may I try Persia or India? Please pardon my slight feeling of frustration at the limited choices presented before me as there's very few "open" nations available to roleplay.

The Chinese Communists will be RPed by Parthini starting sometime in 1920/1921. The Bolsheviks are not significant enough at present to warrant a player (they are hostage to events and have been effectively marginalized (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12079316&postcount=194) by the success of liberalism in Russia). India is still a colony and Persia has been divided into Russian and British client states.

South America has the most vacant nations (only Brazil has a player). Siam will also become available soon. The Middle East is pretty much puppets, client states, or regimes so closely tied with one power bloc that they are effectively extensions of the power bloc. The only exceptions are the Republic of Turkey (OK) and two small Arab Kingdoms in Arabia that are borderline (within British influence but it is unclear how much actual control England has per say).

After reading the link that Amestria included, I'm somewhat surprised to read that socialism is growing in the United States owing to Leon Trotsky. Perhaps I could roleplay socialist movements in the United States if and when it occurs. I could try roleplaying some other nation before that scenario. Would that be okay with you E20 guys?

Parthini is leaving Great Britain for Communist China? In this case, would it be all right if I took up control of Great Britain at that time? I do have some substantial experience with 1910's - 1920's major European powers not counting Spain, Portugal, and Denmark. If I am not eligible for Great Britain then what South American nation do you recommend I play until something better comes along (socialist movement in the US or something else)? I apologize for all the questions but I'm trying to figure out a nation I can mold with my two hands into something interesting. It is a little confusing for me when I read the list of "open" nations and not know who's moving around to different nations like Middle Snu and Parthini.

After reading the link that Amestria included, I'm somewhat surprised to read that socialism is growing in the United States owing to Leon Trotsky. Perhaps I could roleplay socialist movements in the United States if and when it occurs. I could try roleplaying some other nation before that scenario. Would that be okay with you E20 guys?

Parthini is leaving Great Britain for Communist China? In this case, would it be all right if I took up control of Great Britain at that time? I do have some substantial experience with 1910's - 1920's major European powers not counting Spain, Portugal, and Denmark. If I am not eligible for Great Britain then what South American nation do you recommend I play until something better comes along (socialist movement in the US or something else)? I apologize for all the questions but I'm trying to figure out a nation I can mold with my two hands into something interesting. It is a little confusing for me when I read the list of "open" nations and not know who's moving around to different nations like Middle Snu and Parthini.

The Socialists were crushed in the 1916 elections, much of their platform copied by the progressive Republicans (the current year is 1919). When Parthini becomes the Chinese Communists Malkyer will be taking over the UK and in that event I will be taking over France.

Two threads you should review:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11860062&posted=1#post11860062

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12176193&posted=1#post12176193

The Socialists were crushed in the 1916 elections, much of their platform copied by the progressive Republicans (the current year is 1919). When Parthini becomes the Chinese Communists Malkyer will be taking over the UK and in that event I will be taking over France.

Two threads you should review:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11860062&posted=1#post11860062

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12176193&posted=1#post12176193

Interesting. I wonder if E20's version of the Great Depression will begin in South America. It's looking like its either Portugal or a South America nation as a playable nation. However, before I make my decision, I have a few important concerns.

* I'm not good at mathematics and I'm completely lost with the economic rules and military stats.

* It seems like E20 players post lots and lots of numbers for their economy. It is kind of a put-off for me as I'm not good with math and I would very much like to roleplay economic development of my nation and undertake projects to improve infrastructure. Examples like constructing ports or new railroad networks or housing development.

* The same applies to military affairs. I like to roleplay military things in detail like troop combat, reflections of the officers on their battles, General Staff meetings, and the classic "Blow Stuff Up (tm)". I can understand the need for a neutral mod to handle military though.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm overwhelmed by the economic and apparent numbers involved, while at the same time I have this enthuaism to write a story about the nation I pick and interact with others. I still very much would like to participate in this alternate history though.

Interesting. I wonder if E20's version of the Great Depression will begin in South America. It's looking like its either Portugal or a South America nation as a playable nation. However, before I make my decision, I have a few important concerns.

* I'm not good at mathematics and I'm completely lost with the economic rules and military stats.

* It seems like E20 players post lots and lots of numbers for their economy. It is kind of a put-off for me as I'm not good with math and I would very much like to roleplay economic development of my nation and undertake projects to improve infrastructure. Examples like constructing ports or new railroad networks or housing development.

* The same applies to military affairs. I like to roleplay military things in detail like troop combat, reflections of the officers on their battles, General Staff meetings, and the classic "Blow Stuff Up (tm)". I can understand the need for a neutral mod to handle military though.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm overwhelmed by the economic and apparent numbers involved, while at the same time I have this enthuaism to write a story about the nation I pick and interact with others. I still very much would like to participate in this alternate history though.

You'll be OK. I'd be willing to help you out with the economics until you get the hang of it. It's actually relatively simple...

As for the military bit...We write stuff during the wars and add it in, generally describing our thoughts and actions. We don't post our battle plans openly though, of course. =p

You'll be OK. I'd be willing to help you out with the economics until you get the hang of it. It's actually relatively simple...

As for the military bit...We write stuff during the wars and add it in, generally describing our thoughts and actions. We don't post our battle plans openly though, of course. =p

Thank you for your offer of assistance. This will be my second roleplay that I actually interact and co-write with other roleplayers. Earth-V was my first and it is a bit crazy over there with the arguing and debates, and I feel a bit "locked in" roleplaying as a modern day Brazil in there.

This is the type of roleplaying and story writing I do. This is the excerpt I sent to Parthini.

******************************

Chief of Staff Paul von Hindenburg sat quietly at a conference table awaiting the arrival of his top military commanders. A secretary walked in with a small stack of papers and a pitcher of tea, then left with haste as she knew that the Chief of Staff wanted some time alone to contemplate. The Chief of Staff barely acknowledged the presence of the pitcher and skimmed the stack of reports. A scowl spread across his face as he read the reports.

The door to the conference room opened slowly while the Chief of Staff poured himself a cup of tea. Several high ranking German commanders filed into the room with varying expressions on their faces. Unknown to Hindenburg, General Erich Ludendorff was involved in an argument a short while earlier that left a bit of a bad taste lingering in the mouths of the officers filing into the conference room. The officers quickly took their seats as they did not want to cause Hindenburg to become even any more sour than his expression already indicated.

The Chief of Staff stared at his officers and created a tense atmosphere of silence. He spoke softly, breaking the silence with a simple phrase. "What is this?" He held up the reports for added effect. Hindenburg continued in his soft yet angry voice.

"I repeat, what is this? I keep reading report after report of mounting casaulties. We cannot afford to have another Verdun. I want the French crushed quickly. With France conquered, we stand a very good chance of finally forcing Britain to the peace table as Britain would be the final major power to continue fighting. Russia has essentially surrendered as waves of revolution spread across the country. The rest of Europe will not have the capacity to defeat us after we finally conquer France.

The big question is the United States. Woodrow Wilson has continued on his isolationist policy especially in light of my order to not engage any American shipping with submarine warfare. This should deprive the Americans of a good reason to go to war with us. However, the situation with Mexico could possibly threaten this issue."

General Erich Ludendorff cleared his throat. "I do have a plan to conquer France and end the fighting in the Western Front in an expedient manner. I have been developing a plan to attack Amiens which is a cruical railroad hub for French and British forces."

Hindenburg raised an eyebrow. "Is that so? Please elaborate."

Ludendorff continued. "Intelligence sources indicate that the British Fifth Army is underdefended owing to poor trenches and weak fortifications. If we were to smash through the Fifth Army west of Cambrai with a massive artillery attack followed by a lighting quick attack by our elite storm troopers, we will be in a good position to take Amiens."

Hindenburg took another sip from his teacup before responding to Ludendorff. "A quite daring plan. However, I do have a reservation though. Should this endeavour be successful, we should consolidate our new gains. We wouldn't want to lose our hard gained land to the French now, do we?"

Ludendorff stiffened a bit at the slight reprimand from the Chief of Staff. The other officers suppressed slight chuckles at Ludendorff's seemingly crazy yet daring plan.

The Chief of Staff mulled over Ludendorff's plan and nodded to himself. He addressed the officers present. "Very well. Make the necessary preparations for the assault on the Fifth Army. However, care must be taken to ensure this operation be successful. Dismissed."

With the dismissal, the officers stood up and filed out of the room. Hindenburg rose from his chair and walked across the room to a map with German deployments indicated in painstaking detail. He put a finger near the spot where Cambrai was located and slowly traced a line towards Amiens. He nodded to himself and quickly called for his secretary.

Hindenburg turned towards the now present secretary and addressed her in a somewhat brusque tone. "I want to see Max Hoffmann immediately." The secretary nodded and departed quickly to carry out Hindenburg's wishes. Two hours later, General Max Hoffmann arrived at the conference room.

Hoffmann saluted Hindenburg. "What can I do for you, sir?"

Hindenburg returned the salute as a formality. He finished the last of his tea before addressing Hoffmann. "Ludendorff has proposed a plan to drive towards Amiens in hopes of cutting off the railroad hub. I would like to hear your thoughts as you have proved invaluable in the Eastern Front."

Hoffmann looked at the map and turned towards Hindenburg. "Capturing these enemy redoubts will be valuable in holding down the territory gained. However, if we are to penetrate this deep into the enemy's front, we need to have a sizable logistics base to sustain such an effort. We will need artillery and heavy equipment ready to move at a moment's notice. British defenses will be heavy around Amiens, so we will need to rapidly bring up artillery to that point to soften up their defenses, then finish the job with siege guns. Afterwards, send in the infantry to mop up the broken defenses. If I know Ludendorff, he will most likely attack with infantry first, as opposed to artillery, resulting in disappointment and failure to achieve the objective."

Hindenburg was silent for a minute while he mulled over the advice presented by Max Hoffmann. He returned to the map and then made a small grunting noise. "That sounds like a reasonable course of action."

Hoffmann cleared his throat signifying he had something else to add. "I do have one more objective to suggest. If the storm trooper tactic does succeed, we must attempt to advance behind Amiens to cut off food supplies, slowly starving the defenders while they are being pounded by our artillery and siege guns. In addition, if our storm troopers are able to disrupt the railroad tracks, it will delay additional enemy supplies from getting into Amiens."

Hindenburg nodded. "Your suggestions will be taken into consideration. This may very well enable us to finally achieve a decisive victory aganist France and Britain, and allow us to eventually bring an end to the Western Front. Make this happen. Dismissed."

Max Hoffmann gave another salute and departed quickly. Paul Von Hindenburg turned towards the window and stared out towards the west. He groaned slightly as he attempts to visualize the actual operation taking place and the inevitable thousands of casaulties.

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This excerpt from my story I'm writing is set just prior to the 1918 Spring Offensive. In my story, Hindenburg got a second opinion from Max Hoffmann which addresses the failings of the real life Spring Offensive. The US is not involved in WW-1 in my story as Hindenburg modified Ludendorff's unrestricted submarine warfare so not to aggravate the Americans (No sinking of the Lusitania unlike in real life). In addition, the LeMore-Gore proposal regarding barring Americans from sailing on belligerent vessels did pass in my story further reducing the likelihood of American intervention. Thus the French and British forces would not have American heavy weapons, equipment, or reinforcements like in real life.

My concern is that with the economic and military system for E20, how can I incorporate such roleplay writing like my excerpt into E20?

We manage. For example, check out my recent post on the crowning of Anastasia as Empress of Russia.

Linkage (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12177491&postcount=101)

After all, just becasue we use numbers and points doesn't mean that you can't roleplay it. Make posts in your thread (or other's, if relevant) about the new economic developments in your country. Write a short section about a group of railroad workers or something like that. A good example would be what Malk did with the South African thread last game (sheer genius). Lots of internal politics...

Hi. I was just informed by Parthini that I have been accepted into the E20 community. He has advised me to choose a nation to roleplay and to learn the E20 economic system. Right now I see a somewhat limited selection of nations to roleplay and I see that most all nations that I have experience with (Germany, France, Austria, Britain, Italy, and Russia) are taken by other E20 players. My experience with these nations are from my WW-1 era research and my alternate history story.

I notice the United States is a NPC yet the US is a pretty important nation in the 20th century. I would like to choose to roleplay the US. I am aware it is a great responibility to roleplay such a large and industrialized nation. I have a decent understanding of 1910's and 1920's United States politics, economics, and military. In my alternate history story arc, I was planning on a continued isolationist US as it never joined WW-1 in my story. I could try roleplaying the US for a short time like a week or two and see if I am worthy of continuing to roleplay the US. If Parthini and the other E20 moderators feel that I am not doing an good job of roleplaying the US such as being ahistorical or not in-line with the trends within the US then I would be more than happy to switch to another nation. Please let me know and I truly hope my roleplay experience in E20 will be a wonderful one.

Due to the critical importance of the United States in the RP, as well as the other major powers, 1st preference is given to existing players, especially those who played in the previous RP on this theme.

It isn't personal, but game fairness, as well as the importance of having known quantities play major powers from my perspective as the referee of this RP that determines this.

In addition, this is a rather complicated game, and until I am reasonably certain you have the rules down, I would prefer you take a less critical role in the proceedings.

You will discover that good play is rewarded by being given increasing responsibilities AND more important nations as time goes on. Also, some of the major Third World nations, like India for example, don't really have their own independent foreign policy until they actually become independent.

This excerpt from my story I'm writing is set just prior to the 1918 Spring Offensive. In my story, Hindenburg got a second opinion from Max Hoffmann which addresses the failings of the real life Spring Offensive. The US is not involved in WW-1 in my story as Hindenburg modified Ludendorff's unrestricted submarine warfare so not to aggravate the Americans (No sinking of the Lusitania unlike in real life). In addition, the LeMore-Gore proposal regarding barring Americans from sailing on belligerent vessels did pass in my story further reducing the likelihood of American intervention. Thus the French and British forces would not have American heavy weapons, equipment, or reinforcements like in real life.

My concern is that with the economic and military system for E20, how can I incorporate such roleplay writing like my excerpt into E20?

you can do things like this, but I am a stickler for accuracy. For example, the US didn't produce significant quantities of heavy weapons or equipment in time to actually reach its troops until after World War I. It relied on US rifles, British equipment, French artillery and a combination of British and French aircraft and tanks.

In addition, most historians believe Lundendorff was pretty much running the show by 1918, with Hindenburg as essentially a figurehead until his offensive failed and the Allies started gaining significant ground in their counteroffensive of 1918. Only then did the Kaiser wish to get rid of him and only then did Hindenburg act decisively.

Thank you for your feedback Galveston Bay. This is what I really appreciate, pre-WW-2 historians to interact and debate with. It is unfortunate that there are very few people who enjoy pre-WW-2 history.

I am still at a loss on which nation to select to roleplay. I gave a look-over of Argentina and the other South American nations. Argentina looks like it is in quite a bad spot, having lost the Falkland Islands, Tiera Del Fuego, and alienated quite a few of its neighbors. I was wondering what would be a good nation to roleplay with a "clean slate".

Thank you for your feedback Galveston Bay. This is what I really appreciate, pre-WW-2 historians to interact and debate with. It is unfortunate that there are very few people who enjoy pre-WW-2 history.

I am still at a loss on which nation to select to roleplay. I gave a look-over of Argentina and the other South American nations. Argentina looks like it is in quite a bad spot, having lost the Falkland Islands, Tiera Del Fuego, and alienated quite a few of its neighbors. I was wondering what would be a good nation to roleplay with a "clean slate".

Chile or Peru..might be good...since they have somewhat of a "clean slate."

my in box is full again, so hold off on TGs until Monday night at the earliest (Pacific time)

my in box is full again, so hold off on TGs until Monday night at the earliest (Pacific time)

GB you have one or two emails from me.

Braska, As the player of Brazil, I would recommend either Peru or Chile.

Chile is more powerful but has stolen territory from Peru, Bolivia, and Argentina and then hurt it's relations with me, it's only friend on the continent, by not holding up it's alliance with me during the Rio Plate War.

Peru is weaker but has more potential with friendly or neutral relations with most of South America. It has a land dispute with Ecuador which is complicated because Ecuador is a client of the United States. It also has a land dispute with Chile but historically ended peacefully (I'm not sure how it will go in E20).

To summarize, with Chile you'll be one of the big two of South America but you'll have to do some major diplomacy/bribing to fix past mistakes. With Peru you get a clean start but two thorns in your side.

we have reached the Roaring Twenties

I'm going to have to take a break from E20. I've had trouble keeping up and now I've just gotten hit with something else and I just can't bring myself to do this right now. I do have the 1919 build done just haven't gotten around to posting it thesepast few days. I will ask that Germany be left NPC for a week or two in the hope that whats going on in my life clears up so I can come back to it. Have fun though in the twenties, try not to destroy the world without me. ;)

That sucks, hope ya can return as soon as possiuble man. Fun Germany that you are. Yes bad English on purpose on my part.

Hah! Now that Safehaven is gone, my only obstacle to world domination and Franconization of the universe is gone! Muhahaha!

But really, I'm sorry to see you have to go and hope that you'll be back to making me shake in my little space boots in a couple of weeks.

My biggest ally...gone.

Anyway, will Germany be an NPC until safe decides what to do, or will it be watched by someone else?

I am still trying to decide on a nation.

* I like Chile because it has gained a bit in "power" but at the same time it does have a challenge to repair relations with Brazil.

* I like Peru because it has a clean slate but has a challenge of potential US interference in Peru's policies.

* I like Portgual as it does have a better position than Peru or Chile and it has colonies. However one drawback is that I don't know much about Portugal in the early 20th century and I don't want to end up making an ass out of myself by being ahistorical or fumble around with incorrect historical facts. The same could be said for Chile and Peru.

I feel like tearing my hair out because I like these three options but I can only choose one. At the same time I really want to start roleplaying.

Anyway, will Germany be an NPC until safe decides what to do, or will it be watched by someone else?

It was planned out over a week ago that if Safe left or had to take a break Germany would become an NPC.

This is the second E20 alternate history thread replacing the one that ran most of 2005-06. This is Historical Earth with the point of departure January 1, 1906 and will continue hopefully until December 2006 in game time.

This is a highly structured, moderated (and refereed) roleplay. Therefore combat, technology and economics have rules, and players interested in participating must be able and willing to follow those rules.

Players roleplay based off the premise of real life nations in the 20th century which could very well lead to a radically different 20th century history. If you are interested or curious, you may apply to join.

4 Basic E20 Rules:

1. Players need to have a reasonable amount of RP experience
2. Solid understanding of 20th Century World History
3 Understand that this is an alternate history, and significant events have occured in this timeline that have altered the course of history.
4. Understand that this is a refereed RP, and that the principal referees have the ability and role of insuring that accuracy, realism and plausablity is maintained.

Wars and economics are very important in this RP, just as they were in the actual history of the 20th Century. Special threads to handle both of those things are critical to this RP, and those rules are enforced.

useful map links
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/europe.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/scandinavia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/asia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/africa.png

world sea zones
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png

frequent discussion occurs here
http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

Wikepedia articles can be found here
http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page

(perhaps eventually I will be able to add to those myself)

Major announcement
Due to the fact the German player is having to drop out of the game, going to have the following occur
1. Germany becomes an NPC, as I need it to have some things occur.
2. Malkyer will assume the role of the United Kingdom
3. Middle Snu will assume the role of the United States
4. Amestria will assume the role of France
5. Parthini will take over as the Communist Chinese
6. Kordo and Ottoman Turkey, I have a couple of things in mind for you, please send me a TG to discuss them.
7. Time will fast forward from 1919 - 1924
This five year period, covering the early 1920s, gives ample time for any major political changes you want to have occur. Essentially, a major period of labor unrest led by the communists and socialists will sweep the industrialized world, as they attempt to get some kind of revolution somewhere. This will trigger some economic consequences as well. Over this week I will post them, and you can do your builds for that time period next week.

Play will restart on Tuesday, January 23

This is necessary as I have to fiddle some with Germany, give information to players taking over new roles, and otherwise get things moving.

note

incidently, sick today, so not getting a whole lot done

what is to become of the nations being abandoned, mainly Siam (for now only Siam)?


Also, the WiF aren't working for me, not sure if anyone else has the problem

what is to become of the nations being abandoned, mainly Siam (for now only Siam)?

I think it should fall into civil war between the Siamese and the Viets (I think Snu granting Vietnam as last minute seperation would be both unrealistic, given the Siamese have shown no interest in doing that, and uninteresting).

I think it should fall into civil war between the Siamese and the Viets (I think Snu granting Vietnam as last minute seperation would be both unrealistic, given the Siamese have shown no interest in doing that, and uninteresting).

I think a low to mid-livil uprising might occur, maybe weak because I'm not sure how much weapons or ammunition they have.

I think a low to mid-livil uprising might occur, maybe weak because I'm not sure how much weapons or ammunition they have.

I second that opinion.

BTW: If no one objects to the rubber cartel then I suggest RuPEC be formed in early 1920 after the Rio de Janeiro Summit for Rubber Exporting Nations, and be composed to England, Belgium, Siam, Brazil, Germany, and Holland and its effects be taken into account.

I belive might new a thread to make it more easy to find stuff...this thread is getting a bit too big and which makes things harder to find.

I think it should fall into civil war between the Siamese and the Viets (I think Snu granting Vietnam as last minute seperation would be both unrealistic, given the Siamese have shown no interest in doing that, and uninteresting).

I am inclined to let the Vietnamese get their independence, as there is history (TG IC discussions) that a number of players aren't aware of

During the Siamese and Vietnamese fighting against the French, considerable discussion occurred the two allies. The understood agreement was that the Siamese would pull out after a period of stabilization.

Now a coup attempt in Siam is possible, and as it will become an NPC nation, I will probably have that occur. Some of the more nationalist imperialist types might be unhappy about the ending of close relations with Japan.

But it will be determined like all other major conflicts (I resolve it)

what is to become of the nations being abandoned, mainly Siam (for now only Siam)?


Also, the WiF aren't working for me, not sure if anyone else has the problem

I will post some links I found to some WIF maps tomorrow.. which actually also have African and American (as in all of the Americas) available.

Its a bulletin board on WIF

Siam will become NPC, as any nation does that is no longer being played by a person

Greetings guys,

Just thought i'd pop back in and see how everything was going, it's been a longish time since I was here. I will shortly (2 weeks) be finishing my first semester at university, the workload for my second semester is less than my first so I find that I will have time for E20 once more. I was wondering if I might apply to rejoin. I'd be happy to return to my previous role as deputy mod or I could assume control of a country that you desperately need, whichever. The time skip on Jan 23rd will give me time to finish my exams and catch up on E20 history since I left (my exams finish Jan 24th so it works out OK).

PS: The WIF maps that I posted are currently offline as my host has suffered a server breakdown, though they hope to have them back up soon without any dataloss.

It's good to be back!

Welcome back. ANd will wait to see the costs of those unrest that is going to happen in 1924. Hopefully it won't be awe inspiringly horrible for some. Oh well..... And a new place to put this might be good since we are in what the 60's for pages?

Greetings guys,

Just thought i'd pop back in and see how everything was going, it's been a longish time since I was here. I will shortly (2 weeks) be finishing my first semester at university, the workload for my second semester is less than my first so I find that I will have time for E20 once more. I was wondering if I might apply to rejoin. I'd be happy to return to my previous role as deputy mod or I could assume control of a country that you desperately need, whichever. The time skip on Jan 23rd will give me time to finish my exams and catch up on E20 history since I left (my exams finish Jan 24th so it works out OK).

PS: The WIF maps that I posted are currently offline as my host has suffered a server breakdown, though they hope to have them back up soon without any dataloss.

It's good to be back!


I will need deputy mod support about that time, so yes, welcome back

We can also discuss you taking over a country

In other news, still sick today, but will post when I can

My two cents:

Leaving the US as an NPC went pretty well, because, despite its major role in world affairs, it was largely isolationist. I think Germany would not work as well because it has such a central role in European affairs, that it would be hard for a mod to take charge of, and deal with the rest of the world at the same time.

In a similar vein, I think LR, if would want, and GB approved, would be a good player for Germany, used to the system if not this version's changes. If he took up an assistant mod position as well, it would make 3 primary mods, GB at the head, Ames as France, and LR as Germany, one on each side of the major alliance blocs, and one neutral, providing a checks and balances system. Ames could question LR's decision, or vice versa, if it seemed to be favoring one side over the other, with GB having final say.

Failing that, I think some player should take the position when we restart.

I think Germany would not work as well because it has such a central role in European affairs, that it would be hard for a mod to take charge of, and deal with the rest of the world at the same time.

In a similar vein, I think LR, if would want, and GB approved, would be a good player for Germany, used to the system if not this version's changes. If he took up an assistant mod position as well, it would make 3 primary mods, GB at the head, Ames as France, and LR as Germany, one on each side of the major alliance blocs, and one neutral, providing a checks and balances system. Ames could question LR's decision, or vice versa, if it seemed to be favoring one side over the other, with GB having final say.

Problem is most players would not be able to properly RP Germany as it heads down the path of pan-Germanic Fascism (and not because of any lack of skill on their part) but because the subject matter is quiet grim and we are dealing with Hitler here (he made decisions no player would ever want to make for a lot of reasons, most of all the self interest of the game). Necessity dictates an NPC. I've talked to GB on this subject and he has some ideas on how to work out Germany. It won't be a typical NPC, that is for sure...

How boring. How about a non-fascist Germany, and an Austria under Austrofascism with Dolfuss, or maybe Hitler.

perhaps LR as Siam? A rather important nation that's now vacant

The Charter of the Grand Entente, a very important document that should be added to the front page (it is as significant as the Arlington peace treaty).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12028332&postcount=2

My two cents:

Leaving the US as an NPC went pretty well, because, despite its major role in world affairs, it was largely isolationist. I think Germany would not work as well because it has such a central role in European affairs, that it would be hard for a mod to take charge of, and deal with the rest of the world at the same time.

In a similar vein, I think LR, if would want, and GB approved, would be a good player for Germany, used to the system if not this version's changes. If he took up an assistant mod position as well, it would make 3 primary mods, GB at the head, Ames as France, and LR as Germany, one on each side of the major alliance blocs, and one neutral, providing a checks and balances system. Ames could question LR's decision, or vice versa, if it seemed to be favoring one side over the other, with GB having final say.

Failing that, I think some player should take the position when we restart.

the matter of Germany is being discussed with someone, will get back to you when its decided

How boring. How about a non-fascist Germany, and an Austria under Austrofascism with Dolfuss, or maybe Hitler.

if you find Hitler and Fascism boring, you are perhaps in the wrong RP. The impact of that man and Stalin still mark the world.

I won't be able to post until next Wednesday, so if mods could handle anything crucial, I'll take care of builds for the time skip when I get back. Since my TG box might be overwhelmed, anything desperately urgent can be sent to dph948@yahoo.com

I still won't get back to you until I get back, in all likelihood, but that way I'll know about it as soon as I get back.

British Thread, mk. II (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514005)

GB: Three TGs.

GB: Three TGs.

I'll take three tittygrams.

I'll take three tittygrams.

Knock it off.

Knock it off.

Okie Dokie. :-)

WHat the hell was that? Anyways is the economics thread taken care of? And are you feeling better GB?

if you find Hitler and Fascism boring, you are perhaps in the wrong RP. The impact of that man and Stalin still mark the world.
They mark the real world, but this is an alternate history! I never said I found fascism boring, but rather the National Socialism tied to Germany and Hitler boring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrofascism
How about a bit more of this. There are also many other interesting characters in this period of history, rather than just Hitler and Stalin.

GB could you please answer my emails, they are important.

They mark the real world, but this is an alternate history! I never said I found fascism boring, but rather the National Socialism tied to Germany and Hitler boring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrofascism
How about a bit more of this. There are also many other interesting characters in this period of history, rather than just Hitler and Stalin.

Let the maestro write his opera, it promises to be a superb piece.

Problem is most players would not be able to properly RP Germany as it heads down the path of pan-Germanic Fascism (and not because of any lack of skill on their part) but because the subject matter is quiet grim and we are dealing with Hitler here (he made decisions no player would ever want to make for a lot of reasons, most of all the self interest of the game). Necessity dictates an NPC. I've talked to GB on this subject and he has some ideas on how to work out Germany. It won't be a typical NPC, that is for sure...

Well, I'd have a blast leading Germany down the path of pan-Germanic Fascism, but there's no way I'll ever be anyone important XD

*Votes for TLS as Germany*

*votes for LR, Kordo, or TLS as germany in that order*

My vote is for LR as Germany.

Actually, I want to see what TLS does with South Africa, as I reckon it'll be interesting, so LR as Germany...although I'd rather he was Great Britain...:(

There is no vote being held for the German Empire, GB has already decided who gets it.

*votes for LR, Kordo, or TLS as germany in that order*

Kordo will be playing the Greater German Reich once the background is ready to go

been busy today with RL, will post tomorrow

Well as long as we have plenty of time we're good.

Okay, Middle Snu. Can we talk OOCly about your threat to Brazil. Frankly, I think the tariffs are just an asshole thing to do that no one gets anything out of. You're correct in believing that Brazil's economy will take a serious hit by hampering exports to it's second largest trade partner. But with Brazil now messed up, world rubber production drops making RuPEC even stronger and raising rubber prices. At that point, your government can either look like a retard and lose support from Ford, etc. who just lost a chunk of their profits or will have to repeat the tariff procedure with the Brits, etc. and in the end, international trade gets messed up. You would have just screwed over the world just because you didn't want to pay an extra quarter for tires.

An alternative? Live with capitalism and wait until the Great Depression (which probably isn't that far away) for RuPEC to far apart because no one's rubber plantations can make a profit. Maybe even support rubber plantation experiments in Liberia or the Phillipines and come over to the dark side. ;)

Brazil, please get on chatzy.

Look Koryan, Middle Snu's threat of increased tariffs in 1921 is very realistic and would have been the historical US response had something like RuPEC formed in RL around this time. Please stop trying to get realistic IC actions undone/reversed OOCly because they run counter to your goals (you also something like this during the war with Argintina when the US sent in the marines, and I, to be honest, am a little tired of it).

BTW: As GB has not posted on the events during the 1920-1924 time warp, RPing events in 1921 is kind of jumping the gun a tiny bit, but in MS's case it does not really matter...still, lets refrain from RPing in a vacum.

Okay, Middle Snu. Can we talk OOCly about your threat to Brazil. Frankly, I think the tariffs are just an asshole thing to do that no one gets anything out of. You're correct in believing that Brazil's economy will take a serious hit by hampering exports to it's second largest trade partner. But with Brazil now messed up, world rubber production drops making RuPEC even stronger and raising rubber prices. At that point, your government can either look like a retard and lose support from Ford, etc. who just lost a chunk of their profits or will have to repeat the tariff procedure with the Brits, etc. and in the end, international trade gets messed up. You would have just screwed over the world just because you didn't want to pay an extra quarter for tires.

An alternative? Live with capitalism and wait until the Great Depression (which probably isn't that far away) for RuPEC to far apart because no one's rubber plantations can make a profit. Maybe even support rubber plantation experiments in Liberia or the Phillipines and come over to the dark side. ;)

If you want to talk, you may TG me or post IC.

I would like to have Brazil as an ally, but the United States will not tolerate trade cartels formed against it.

If you want to talk, you may TG me or post IC.

I would like to have Brazil as an ally, but the United States will not tolerate trade cartels formed against it.

ooc
also remember that when the US was an NPC country the Democratic Congress threatened this

special note
Population information (historic) can now be found here
http://www.populstat.info/

the population information has been moved

Didn't the Influenza and the First World War kinda throw that into a loop though. (I know it did mine.) Because for Spain, they didn't participate in the First World War in real history so that's 100,000 that didn't die. And the influenza for this world was worse so that's 400,000 which I think is about 50 or 100 thousand more. So I just started going with Spain's historical population growth rate of 1.5%. Not to mention I think the one for SPain is kinda questionable. A million people got killed in the SPanish Civil War and they have a standard rate of growth during that time. That doesn't make sense. Sooooooo that's just a note on my part. If you want me to return to this I will. It's not that different, just... ya know.

By the way, Amestria are you going to have the same thread for France as Malkyer had, or are you going to create a totally new one? Or are you going to continue from the old one. That'll be important for continued relations with France. I also wanna know it cause Spain needs some tech help from it's ally.

By the way, Amestria are you going to have the same thread for France as Malkyer had, or are you going to create a totally new one? Or are you going to continue from the old one.

I'm going to create my own French thread once GB posts all the information regarding the time warp.

if LR wants a country, Siam or Vietnam are available

Why are we waiting another week till we start playing again?

Why are we waiting another week till we start playing again?

1. Germany's going to have new leadership, with Hitler running amok in the Imperium and other fascists in Germany
2. The communists are arriving
3. There's a time jump
4. GB needs to comment on like 4 or 5 seperate things going on
5. There wil be a depression that's going to be worked out]
6. 6 Builds have to be done in that time
7. Right vs. Left battles will increase, maybe a civil war or two

1. Germany's going to have new leadership, with Hitler running amok in the Imperium and other fascists in Germany
2. The communists are arriving
3. There's a time jump
4. GB needs to comment on like 4 or 5 seperate things going on
5. There wil be a depression that's going to be worked out]
6. 6 Builds have to be done in that time
7. Right vs. Left battles will increase, maybe a civil war or two

This is the only reasonable answer

THanks Amestria. And #8 kinda scares me. I've worked hard to try and keep my country from a Civil War.

Also will wait to see the effects of the depression. Because in truth don't countries with larger gold reserves in proportion to their population get off lighter? Cause I know some nations weren't in MASSIVE depressions like others. Japan comes to mind. And Spain was in an economic slump when the depression went around and it got a little worse. So in truth it's economic depression wasn't as bad. It'd just been in a slump for a while, and then other politics got involved.

This is the only reasonable answer

actually, 1 is going to be rather long to game out and would take a while

The problem with the Gold standard is that countries start to print more and more money in wartime to pay for their troops, weapons, ships etc. Effectively betting that they will win the war and aiming to reinstate the gold standard with the gold reserves of the losing country (in total war) or post-war reparations. All major RL WWI countries suspended the Gold Standard during the war and regaining standard was nigh on impossible with spiralling inflation (see Churchill's attempt as chancellor in 1925) as the goverment has to increase its budget to buy more gold by higher taxes, reduced spending and higher interest rates which have the consequences of unemployment, economic downturns and political agitation. Most nations were off the Gold Standard by 1933 for these reasons.

So whilst a large reserve of gold in all countries would stave off a depression once one or two countries start to suffer from a poor exchange rate and stop importing goods to save money the manufacturing industries abroad start to feel the pinch and the depression spirals out of control, especially when countries start defaulting on their national debts.

Japan survived (and in fact grew) during the great depression as it has a unique labour system (30% of everyones wage was flexible and tied to the prosperity of the stock market), cutting prices buy 40% at the first sign of depression and halving the value of the Yen. So Japan will be less worse off but every other country in the world will likely suffer badly if depression is on the cards.

The problem with the Gold standard is that countries start to print more and more money in wartime to pay for their troops, weapons, ships etc. Effectively betting that they will win the war and aiming to reinstate the gold standard with the gold reserves of the losing country (in total war) or post-war reparations. All major RL WWI countries suspended the Gold Standard during the war and regaining standard was nigh on impossible with spiralling inflation (see Churchill's attempt as chancellor in 1925) as the goverment has to increase its budget to buy more gold by higher taxes, reduced spending and higher interest rates which have the consequences of unemployment, economic downturns and political agitation. Most nations were off the Gold Standard by 1933 for these reasons.

So whilst a large reserve of gold in all countries would stave off a depression once one or two countries start to suffer from a poor exchange rate and stop importing goods to save money the manufacturing industries abroad start to feel the pinch and the depression spirals out of control, especially when countries start defaulting on their national debts.

Japan survived (and in fact grew) during the great depression as it has a unique labour system (30% of everyones wage was flexible and tied to the prosperity of the stock market), cutting prices buy 40% at the first sign of depression and halving the value of the Yen. So Japan will be less worse off but every other country in the world will likely suffer badly if depression is on the cards.

You are SO my hero now

The problem with the Gold standard is that countries start to print more and more money in wartime to pay for their troops, weapons, ships etc. Effectively betting that they will win the war and aiming to reinstate the gold standard with the gold reserves of the losing country (in total war) or post-war reparations. All major RL WWI countries suspended the Gold Standard during the war and regaining standard was nigh on impossible with spiralling inflation (see Churchill's attempt as chancellor in 1925) as the goverment has to increase its budget to buy more gold by higher taxes, reduced spending and higher interest rates which have the consequences of unemployment, economic downturns and political agitation. Most nations were off the Gold Standard by 1933 for these reasons.

So whilst a large reserve of gold in all countries would stave off a depression once one or two countries start to suffer from a poor exchange rate and stop importing goods to save money the manufacturing industries abroad start to feel the pinch and the depression spirals out of control, especially when countries start defaulting on their national debts.

Japan survived (and in fact grew) during the great depression as it has a unique labour system (30% of everyones wage was flexible and tied to the prosperity of the stock market), cutting prices buy 40% at the first sign of depression and halving the value of the Yen. So Japan will be less worse off but every other country in the world will likely suffer badly if depression is on the cards.

big post on economic issues can be found here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12198818&postcount=863

Major news can be found on the Russian Revolution of 1921 and the breakup of the Imperium and creation of the Greater German Reich and Kingdom of Hungary can be found here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12207897&postcount=260
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12207895&postcount=259

Reminder to Everyone

The Game is currently in a time warp/paused until GB finishes posting the events of the time warp (which includes a severe world wide economic down turn). Please refrain from RPing or responding to events until everything has been posted.

information on severe natural disasters in Japan and United States, and the Depression now available in the Major Events thread

and of course the rise of Mussolini


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=262

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=263

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=265

information on severe natural disasters in Japan and United States, and the Depression now available in the Major Events thread

and of course the rise of Mussolini


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=262

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=263

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=265

Links = failure

So we start on the 23rd right? Alright.

Links = failure

no idea why its failing, but just go to the major events thread

link to that is on the first page of this thread

my day off turned out to be a lot busier in RL then planned, but working on events in China, state of the military in Hungary and Germany, tech level 5.5 military units

incidently, the US, Germany, UK, France, Japan, and Italy should all hit tech level 5.5 around 1925 or shortly after

no idea why its failing, but just go to the major events thread

link to that is on the first page of this thread

my day off turned out to be a lot busier in RL then planned, but working on events in China, state of the military in Hungary and Germany, tech level 5.5 military units

incidently, the US, Germany, UK, France, Japan, and Italy should all hit tech level 5.5 around 1925 or shortly after

would Hungary be tech 5.5 as well around the same time?

I think the Netherlands is also going to be tech level 5.5 in 1925.

any chance the oil rules for maintenance could be modified slightly? I mean I'd have to get 22 points of oil for my navy alone during wartime, more than the DEI has altogether, and I believe that supplied the Japanese navy for all its needs during WW2

EDIT- ort would it be that they have 22 points needed, and I would need 2 oil points for it?

According to my research 1917 was when the Eastern European Empire started it's lvl3 social services which would mean 1927 would be when Hungary would get it's 5.5

According to my research 1917 was when the Eastern European Empire started it's lvl3 social services which would mean 1927 would be when Hungary would get it's 5.5

You also need to do infrastructure upgrades.

any chance the oil rules for maintenance could be modified slightly? I mean I'd have to get 22 points of oil for my navy alone during wartime, more than the DEI has altogether, and I believe that supplied the Japanese navy for all its needs during WW2

EDIT- ort would it be that they have 22 points needed, and I would need 2 oil points for it?

actually, it didn't. As it turned out, Dutch and American oil field workers did sufficient sabotage that the DEI didn't return to prewar production until well after the war. The Japanese weren't happy at all about this and killed a lot of the ones they caught (read the book "The Prize", which talks about the history of oil). So throughout the war, even before American submarines began sinking the Japanese tanker fleet, oil shortages were a factor. The Japanese for example couldn't commit their battleships AND their carriers to the Guadalcanal campaign, and so were forced to leave the BBs sitting at anchor at Truk for the duration of the campaign.

In any case however, remember from last game, energy efficiency increases with tech level

would Hungary be tech 5.5 as well around the same time?

likely other nations will indeed hit tech level 5.5 about then or shortly after if players spend appropriately

Spain will hit tech lvl 5.5 in 1928. I gotta start the restructure cost (Telephone wires) in 1925.

By the way, when does our 1925 build need to be done?

actually, it didn't. As it turned out, Dutch and American oil field workers did sufficient sabotage that the DEI didn't return to prewar production until well after the war. The Japanese weren't happy at all about this and killed a lot of the ones they caught (read the book "The Prize", which talks about the history of oil). So throughout the war, even before American submarines began sinking the Japanese tanker fleet, oil shortages were a factor. The Japanese for example couldn't commit their battleships AND their carriers to the Guadalcanal campaign, and so were forced to leave the BBs sitting at anchor at Truk for the duration of the campaign.

In any case however, remember from last game, energy efficiency increases with tech level

my mistake, I misinterpreted the rules

Middle Snu recently approached me asking if I wanted to rejoin(I got real inactive because of a big project for AP English). Seeing as swim season is coming to an end I will, if you allow me, make a claim to Mexico.

As it turns out, Level III Social Spending isn't necessary, only level II.

EDIT: For tech 5.5, that is.

The Depression kinda makes that moot though.

Middle Snu recently approached me asking if I wanted to rejoin(I got real inactive because of a big project for AP English). Seeing as swim season is coming to an end I will, if you allow me, make a claim to Mexico.


thats acceptable, read the Banana Wars and US NPC threads for history and recent economic information

Population 15 million, tech level 3, production centers 2 (Mexico City, Leon), resources 11 (Chihuahua 6, Leon 5), Oil 2 (Yucatan 2) food production 35
Government has 11 points (peacetime spending only because of labor issues), while Rebels have 8 points (and can spend all of them)
Each side has 30 light infantry brigades, 4 cavalry divisions, with the Rebels holding the northern and southern states, and the government holding the central states

This is the latest assessment i could find. Could it please be modified for the current date?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514783

Mexican News Thread...

This is the latest assessment i could find. Could it please be modified for the current date?

US NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510830

1919 Mexico
Mexico (US client state) tech 5, population 15 million, production centers 4 (Mexico City 2, Leon 2) resources 10 (Chihuahua 6, Leon 4), Oil 2 (Yucatan), food production 35
military at end of Mexican Civil War
8 garrison units, 10 police units, 12 cavalry divisions

Mexico had level 2 social services, and has completed a massive land reform effort which increases its food production by 2 points a year until 1925.

Mexican corruption penalty is 5% (a lot better then it used to be)

note high Mexican death toll (in Banana Wars thread) during Civil War that is lower then historical death toll

US NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510830

1919 Mexico
Mexico (US client state) tech 5, population 15 million, production centers 4 (Mexico City 2, Leon 2) resources 10 (Chihuahua 6, Leon 4), Oil 2 (Yucatan), food production 35
military at end of Mexican Civil War
8 garrison units, 10 police units, 12 cavalry divisions

Mexico had level 2 social services, and has completed a massive land reform effort which increases its food production by 2 points a year until 1925.

Mexican corruption penalty is 5% (a lot better then it used to be)

note high Mexican death toll (in Banana Wars thread) during Civil War that is lower then historical death toll

If anyone would care to help me with the economic thing, my AIM is blindgoose444

New Dornalia, where is your economic and military info?

I need to know so I... can kill you :p

Heads up, will most likely not be available until Sunday evening, may be able to get on, so any important stuff TG me so I can respond quickly without sifting through a dozen pages on jolt

Parthini;12223020']New Dornalia, where is your economic and military info?

I need to know so I... can kill you :p

*Sneaky Imperial spies pass the illicit information to the evil Kommies*

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501034

major changes in military thread

you will all be unhappy

maintenance went up for ground and naval forces

lots of new ways to spend points for your navies though

The maps that I host have returned.

I am ready to take over my old duties by the evening of the 23rd though it may take me a short while to check out the new economic system.

New Germany Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515420

More expensive? Hopefully not TOO expensive.

Hungarian Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515603

The New French Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12245818&posted=1#post12245818

A few (minor) things going on:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12246861&postcount=272

Though nothing big is on the cards as of yet.

UK Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12196789#post12196789

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....0#post12249960

new japanese thread

is 1926 starting on Monday?

is 1926 starting on Monday?

yes

new economic thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515828

All English Speaking nations MUST be Free market, all other nations may chose to be Free Market or Socialist Market.

But what you pick, you are stuck with for 10 years unless a violent revolution comes.

What exactly is Socialist Market? Does this mean State Capitalism that was mentioned before?

What exactly is Socialist Market? Does this mean State Capitalism that was mentioned before?

it's a blend of both (maybe akin to Lenin's NEP in Russia?) Allowing for some governmental control but allowing the economy to remain mainly free market

What exactly is Socialist Market? Does this mean State Capitalism that was mentioned before?

essentially yes.. modern day socialist Europe is an example (Sweden, France), and so is Hitlers Germany

Okay. By 1923, all Scandinavian countries have intelligence agencies. Can they collaborate, creating a larger and more effective agency? And I'll have Scandinavian political history from 1916-1926 up whenever I find the time to type it...needless to say, mid-1920s sees Third International created. Except it isn't Comintern. It's still a socialist organization.

Belgium is going to be Market Socialist (Big surprise)

Okay. By 1923, all Scandinavian countries have intelligence agencies. Can they collaborate, creating a larger and more effective agency? And I'll have Scandinavian political history from 1916-1926 up whenever I find the time to type it...needless to say, mid-1920s sees Third International created. Except it isn't Comintern. It's still a socialist organization.

Swedes say no to that, feeling that it would endanger their traditional neutrality.

A considerable number of Swedes, Norwegians and Finns are pro German (more then arent, with the majority of the population content with neutrality)

hmm, another weekend too busy with RL to post... hope to catch everything up in SE Asia tomorrow (Monday)

hmm, another weekend too busy with RL to post... hope to catch everything up in SE Asia tomorrow (Monday)

Feel free to do your 1926 budgets, but we will see what happens in the moderation thread

I would like to make a case for a large retconing on the Warsaw thread, for the specific reason that there were no "Telegrams," it was all word of mouth from my Ambassador and the Russian Ambassador, and you could see that from the nature of the telegrams, which had quoation remarks and backstory! The French and Russian governments were not stupid and they did not commit such damaging things to paper. That is why I was so surprised by what happened. There was no corispodence, it was all verbal, the French and Russian ambassadors making proposals/warnings to the respective leaders of Poland and Hungary in person. I hereby request that all players retocon meantion of such events.

For those who don't know:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516233

Check Chatzy also, but please refrain from posting on that thread.

Special Note

My participation in this roleplay is at an end. I invite you all to make copies of all of the thread information that you wish to keep, and I wish you well. If your curious as to why, the RP has been determined to be too non Nationstates related by moderators. The actual discussion of that should be left to other places, and not in the forums unless otherwise indicated.

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special note

After some consideration, I am thinking about running another RP

In order to keep the Mods happy, this one would have to involve using your user account country.

I would referee it, and it would involve using some of the rules I have developed for the E20 RP. On the plus side, I wouldn't have to worry about economics as much as after all Nationstates handles that, and if you run your economy well, you have a good economy and points to spend on nefty stuff to attack your neighbors with or defend yourself with.

It would be a Science Fiction roleplay, and your country would have a star system with an acceptable planet on it.

I have countless maps from the Traveller Roleplaying game, which has star systems and an relatively easy to deal with tech level system in place already. Another game, called Imperium, based on that universe, even has military units and their costs (including maintenance) available, and a very easy to deal with combat system.

If you are interested, let me know. First choice of players will be those who participated in this RP, as well as players in my home region (the FKC, where my main country, New Shiron, is located).

Count me in for your new RP project, Sci Fi is another of my interests.

However it is a terrible shame that two years of dedicated, well researched and roleplayed work by dozens of players all striving to recreate the past 100 years of history is to be wasted by such an arbitrary decision. Having been in on this project from the start of the first timeline and a moderator for most of the second I find it hard to see the sense of it, as a move to a seperate forum will mean a halt on recruitment and surely a slow and bitter death of the RP. Though of course the moderators are there for a reason and I respect their decision to close down this RP, though I would have appreciated if they did it sooner so as to not disappoint so many people or at least have stated that alternate history RPs are banned.

Still, as I say, I am more than happy to abide by the decision of those appointed to police the forums as it is their realm and they have been entrusted to their task by the creator of the forums and the game.

GB, I'll go where ever you go mate.

After some consideration, I am thinking about running another RP

In order to keep the Mods happy, this one would have to involve using your user account country.

I would referee it, and it would involve using some of the rules I have developed for the E20 RP. On the plus side, I wouldn't have to worry about economics as much as after all Nationstates handles that, and if you run your economy well, you have a good economy and points to spend on nefty stuff to attack your neighbors with or defend yourself with.

It would be a Science Fiction roleplay, and your country would have a star system with an acceptable planet on it.

I have countless maps from the Traveller Roleplaying game, which has star systems and an relatively easy to deal with tech level system in place already. Another game, called Imperium, based on that universe, even has military units and their costs (including maintenance) available, and a very easy to deal with combat system.

If you are interested, let me know. First choice of players will be those who participated in this RP, as well as players in my home region (the FKC, where my main country, New Shiron, is located).


new thread is here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516292

I have a feeling this game may dry up and die without GB to keep moderating it, but I'd like to keep playing if possible. I will join the new game as well though

EDIT- could we at least try a non NS forum to play on? We have a good number of dedicated players, and things would be less clogged.

Damnit.

Can't we just move the necessary threads to an InvisionBoard and have links to important threads. they wont delete them, they'll probably just lock them...

EDIT- Hanseatic has a great point. I think most if not all of us would follow E20 offsite.

Thank you Philanchez. I think most players, if not all would follow this game off-site, and since this isn't the RP to die off

If the game is to die, then I suggest we share our plans and evil ideas so we can share in the memoires that might have been


I hope I am not the only one who had the best RP'ing ever in this game, and would rejoin in a minutes notice

Hell yeah, I would join in!

That, or I say we petition the Mods to allow E20 to remain. This is pure, unadulterated bullshit and technological tyranny, I say. It's not like there isn't enough space on the internet...

Parthini;12268816']Hell yeah, I would join in!

That, or I say we petition the Mods to allow E20 to remain.

I agree, I haven't seen some rulebook as to what an RP must be, and I find it unfair that they would make us stop our game cause it's different than the other games

Parthini;12268816']Hell yeah, I would join in!

That, or I say we petition the Mods to allow E20 to remain. This is pure, unadulterated bullshit and technological tyranny, I say. It's not like there isn't enough space on the internet...

Insulting the mods will only make it less likely for them to look favourably on our case.

Though personally everytime I see one of those zombie Rps on II I will report it to moderation, if E20 is closed.

On the first couple pages alone there are at least 5 which break the rule we have supposedly broken.

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIN!

Two years of sweat, blood, and skipping homework...all gone! I had such plans for South Africa! Such plans indeed! And now they're gone! GONE!

If GB has left, however, it is the end.

Thus ends the greatest RP that this website has ever known, or ever will know.

It was fun while it lasted, gents. I thank all of you for two years of fun, excellent roleplaying and some of the most epic wars NationStates will surely ever see. I tip my hat to all of you, friend and foe. I'm sorry it ended this way, but I will always remember and will keep in touch (especially with this new RP) with all of the friends I made.

This is an outsider speaking...

but...

Why don't you not say good bye to your prodigy child, and make a forum with something like invisionfree and band together and post there?

Screw what we other NSers think, and yes screw what I say if you care to want to do that, but...

Don't be weak and let it die like that.

Sorry, the rules somehow got flung at you...maybe someone just didn't get along with someone else, who knows...

'Tis be weird not seeing E20 around anymore, though, I'll tell ya that.

This is an outsider speaking...

but...

Why don't you not say good bye to your prodigy child, and make a forum with something like invisionfree and band together and post there?

Screw what we other NSers think, and yes screw what I say if you care to want to do that, but...

Don't be weak and let it die like that.

Sorry, the rules somehow got flung at you...maybe someone just didn't get along with someone else, who knows...

'Tis be weird not seeing E20 around anymore, though, I'll tell ya that.

That's what i've been saying, and i thank you for that, I'd like to keep playing but people believe the game will die out if we go off NS

Eh, well some people just think that then.

Well, I wish you guys good luck about getting it running off-site. Sorry that it happened, but hell...it happens.

This is an outsider speaking...

but...

Why don't you not say good bye to your prodigy child, and make a forum with something like invisionfree and band together and post there?

Screw what we other NSers think, and yes screw what I say if you care to want to do that, but...

Don't be weak and let it die like that.

Sorry, the rules somehow got flung at you...maybe someone just didn't get along with someone else, who knows...

'Tis be weird not seeing E20 around anymore, though, I'll tell ya that.

Our primary referee and the guy who's kept it going, Galveston Bay, has said that he does not want to continue as our moderator should we move off sight. Many of us would rather let it end here then let it stagnate and die off site, as we've seen so many other RPs do. We will allow it to die a dignified death, even if it was put down.

Thanks for your words though. It is odd to think that I spent nearly two years here, playing various nations. I will be sad to see it gone.

'Tis truly a pity.

Although I never played that big of a role in the E20 community, I must say that the time I spent here was truly fufilling in every respect. As I am not a big fan of science fiction, I think I will refrain from joining this new legacy. Nonetheless, I would like to sincerely thank you, GB, for providing not only myself, but the other dedicated members of this RP a year and a half of splendid entertainment and intullectual stiumlation. May this new venture be as successful as the last.

E20 has been a big part of my life, and I have to say that I will miss it immensly. My time here has been immensly fulfilling, and I wish that it hadn't eanded quite so abruptly. Once more unto the breach, dear friends. Let's make that Sci-Fi RP a fitting tribute/sequel to the greatest RP that I have ever seen on Nationstates.

I will miss E20 as the greatest RP I have ever played. I will never forget the political arguing over the result of some action, or who would win World War II (I still say we had a shot), and I've printed out literally every major war becuase it's such a great thnig to read. I'd always love to play this again on an offsite game, and if the ban on this is ever lifted, I shall play at a moments notice. My only regret is that I joined later in the game (though I did get a lot out of it).:(

Now lets go and make this new RP the best RP ever, besides E20

Galveston Bay here

I am sorry the game has ended, but in truth, there was an excellent chance that it would have to end in March or April or possibly May in any case. I am starting (hopefully) a new job around that time, which would involve significantly more responsibilities (and pay), which would definitely cut into my time.

This new game, the Science Fiction one, is actually going to be much easier for me to referee, and if (when I hope) I start this new job, will be easier for me to continue to referee.

Some of you were aware of that, and for others, now you know.

I did consider moving this to an offsite forum, but for reasons I just indicated, it would have been difficult if not impossible for me to continue it in any case.

Galveston Bay here

I am sorry the game has ended, but in truth, there was an excellent chance that it would have to end in March or April or possibly May in any case. I am starting (hopefully) a new job around that time, which would involve significantly more responsibilities (and pay), which would definitely cut into my time.

This new game, the Science Fiction one, is actually going to be much easier for me to referee, and if (when I hope) I start this new job, will be easier for me to continue to referee.

Some of you were aware of that, and for others, now you know.

I did consider moving this to an offsite forum, but for reasons I just indicated, it would have been difficult if not impossible for me to continue it in any case.


Thanks GB, I feel bad it had to end like that, but at least we can do this new game

Sigh, yeah it was the better of the Nationstate RP's. THough I might give the sci-fi one a try, I think if it's not as regulated, then it might not be too fun. And E20 was all that kept me on Nationstates. Sooo... no matter how much I argued I did have fun. Sigh....

The only thing that saddens me is that I can find three seperate RPs in the first three pages which a breaking the same rule we broke and are still going.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511090- Weird Vampire RP
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516128- Alt History Rp
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516052- Ancient world RP

We should let this thread fade away.

It was a lot of fun and now we move on to new things.