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What starving masses? Spain can feed any loss of food that France has and still have room left over. Even taking the 2% loss every % above the norm still allows me to have more than enough food.

That's great. But since when does Spain count as all of Europe?

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves aren't we? :D

OOC:

Is Walvis Bay part of South Africa? It was in RL claimed in 1840 by Britain, and I havent been notified if it was given to Germany. The "Potential naval bases" thing says its part of Germany, but I believe that's incorrect.

Can Whittlesfield and TLS please remove their various postings of OOC dribble from the Great War thread, it takes up about a page and really disrupts the flow of the story.

Thank you.

Walvis bay was german until WW1, when it was turned over to britain, but it had a large White Population and was given to South Africa later on

Also, I will be gone on friday, saturday, and part of sunday. Safehaven can handle anything that comes up, if he's unavailable then Middle Snu can watch over my nation

Walvis bay was german until WW1, when it was turned over to britain, but it had a large White Population and was given to South Africa later on

Also, I will be gone on friday, saturday, and part of sunday. Safehaven can handle anything that comes up, if he's unavailable then Middle Snu can watch over my nation


From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvis_Bay)

"Nothing much was done with Walvis Bay until 1840, when in the scramble for Africa, Britain, the dominant seafaring nation at the time, annexed Walvis Bay and a small area surrounding the territory both to forestall German ambitions in the region and to ensure safe passage of British ships around the Cape. In 1910, Walvis Bay, as well as the Cape Colony, became part of the newly formed Union of South Africa. However, a dispute arose with Germany over the enclave's boundaries. This was eventually settled in 1911 and Walvis Bay was allocated an area of 1 124 km² (697.5 mi²)."

From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvis_Bay)

"Nothing much was done with Walvis Bay until 1840, when in the scramble for Africa, Britain, the dominant seafaring nation at the time, annexed Walvis Bay and a small area surrounding the territory both to forestall German ambitions in the region and to ensure safe passage of British ships around the Cape. In 1910, Walvis Bay, as well as the Cape Colony, became part of the newly formed Union of South Africa. However, a dispute arose with Germany over the enclave's boundaries. This was eventually settled in 1911 and Walvis Bay was allocated an area of 1 124 km² (697.5 mi²)."

The port of Luderitz will work just as well
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/namibia.gif

its definitely German

Can Whittlesfield and TLS please remove their various postings of OOC dribble from the Great War thread, it takes up about a page and really disrupts the flow of the story.

Thank you.

removing OOC posts would be nice, I agree

The port of Luderitz will work just as well
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/namibia.gif

its definitely German

So I can't make Walvis Bay into a big-arse port?

Where is Walvis bay? And how would you decide the difference between a regular naval port and a huge ass port? Just curious.

Where is Walvis bay? And how would you decide the difference between a regular naval port and a huge ass port? Just curious.

Walvis Bay is in modern-day Namibia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvis_Bay

As for what he was saying about "hugeass" ports and naval ports, I think it was just a matter of making it a major port. Nothing much beyond that, besides some colorful superlatives, I suppose.

Hmmm so they took back Rio Muni. Interesting. Well the French didn't post anything there I gather.

Walvis Bay is in modern-day Namibia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvis_Bay

As for what he was saying about "hugeass" ports and naval ports, I think it was just a matter of making it a major port. Nothing much beyond that, besides some colorful superlatives, I suppose.

For one thing, I said huge-arse, not huge ass :p

Secondly, I was referring to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11642816&postcount=58) post, which states that Walvis Bay can be made into a Naval Yard/ Naval Base. I already have one (Cape Town), but another might come in handy later on.

special wartime economic rules in effect

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1

Wait I thought we were in October of 1912. If January 1913 starts on the 9th, aka today. Then we're missing about 2 months. I think. Unless you updated the Great War for November and December already.

It is my opinion that given Germany is presently under the silent dictatorship (Safe has not posted internal politics so we should assume it has happened as it did historically), it does not count as democratic in the least (it did not even count as such when it had a semi-meaningful Parliament).

Is it possible to take the Netherlands so you won't have to make a economic build for Venezuela?

Is it possible to take the Netherlands so you won't have to make a economic build for Venezuela?


it had a player, but I haven't seen that player in a while.. I will get back to you on that this weekend, probably Sunday

Wait I thought we were in October of 1912. If January 1913 starts on the 9th, aka today. Then we're missing about 2 months. I think. Unless you updated the Great War for November and December already.


mis typed.. 9th-10th is November / December 1912

GB, for my unlisted General, would Konda be acceptable? He fought in the Russo-Japanese War, I believe he was pretty good

GB, for my unlisted General, would Konda be acceptable? He fought in the Russo-Japanese War, I believe he was pretty good

he will do just fine

I'm working on updating (or rather backdating) the WiF map for reference based on pre-war borders. Also, I will work on correcting the maps inaccuracies.

Also, if I get GB's permission, I wish to set up an E-20 website and off-jolt forums where alliances can have separate forums which are hidden from others, and allows us to continue if Jolt is down, as well as a place for our more heated debates. The forum will be there for people to use if they want, and it will just be supplementary to the existing system. As well as this, I will set up a Wiki to help us record the events of E-20, so we can look back on our version of history.

Just need the link. GOod idea.

I'm working on updating (or rather backdating) the WiF map for reference based on pre-war borders. Also, I will work on correcting the maps inaccuracies.

Also, if I get GB's permission, I wish to set up an E-20 website and off-jolt forums where alliances can have separate forums which are hidden from others, and allows us to continue if Jolt is down, as well as a place for our more heated debates. The forum will be there for people to use if they want, and it will just be supplementary to the existing system. As well as this, I will set up a Wiki to help us record the events of E-20, so we can look back on our version of history.

feel free to do so

in other news, will update November / December tomorrow

its been gamed, but haven't finish the write up

attrition on the main fronts (Western, Eastern, Turkish, Chinese), with the Japanese driving the Italian fleet into port at Mogadishu (Somalia), allowing supply ships to resupply the Turkish garrisons at Mecca and Media

feel free to do so

in other news, will update November / December tomorrow

its been gamed, but haven't finish the write up

attrition on the main fronts (Western, Eastern, Turkish, Chinese), with the Japanese driving the Italian fleet into port at Mogadishu (Somalia), allowing supply ships to resupply the Turkish garrisons at Mecca and Media

Since when did I have a fleet down there?

Since when did I have a fleet down there?

I posted a couple of weeks back the deployment of Allied fleets, with an Italian fleet of cruisers covering the entrance of the Red Sea to keep Coalition shipping from using the Suez Canal, and to protect Italian possessions and French possessions in East Africa. It also had the useful role of cutting the Turks out of supply in Mecca and Medina.

Its even fought a battle against German cruisers (happened in June)

Italians covered the Red Sea, Spanish entrance into Gibraltar, combined fleet in Med, and French covering the Atlantic

The deployment of the Japanese Navy into the Indian Ocean has come somewhat of a surprise to your naval commmand.

I posted a couple of weeks back the deployment of Allied fleets, with an Italian fleet of cruisers covering the entrance of the Red Sea to keep Coalition shipping from using the Suez Canal, and to protect Italian possessions and French possessions in East Africa. It also had the useful role of cutting the Turks out of supply in Mecca and Medina.

Its even fought a battle against German cruisers (happened in June)

Italians covered the Red Sea, Spanish entrance into Gibraltar, combined fleet in Med, and French covering the Atlantic

Here is the post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11879433&postcount=143

Logistics for that Japanese fleet is going to be a bitch though. THey have to operate out of a port that's out of the way.

Logistics for that Japanese fleet is going to be a bitch though. THey have to operate out of a port that's out of the way.

Pondicherry, minor ports in Madagascar and the surrounding islands, refueling ships as well

Here is the link to the the Netherlands thread.

The Netherlands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507043)

Pondicherry, minor ports in Madagascar and the surrounding islands, refueling ships as well

supply chain runs Japan/Formosa/Indochina/Occupied French India (which has a port)/Madagascar (port of Diego Suarez)/German Southwest Africa

coal and oil can be purchased from neutrals and sent to any and all of those ports, spares and replacement men and ammunition of course come from Japan

Gb: TG concerning recent war post.

But that misses the point. THat's a ton of paperwork and watching and dealing that is still making logistics a bitch. That just changes how they are a pain, not that they are a pain in the least. It also makes supplies much more expensive.

But that misses the point. THat's a ton of paperwork and watching and dealing that is still making logistics a bitch. That just changes how they are a pain, not that they are a pain in the least. It also makes supplies much more expensive.

not an issue in game terms.. its what professional military officers do, deal with logistics

to quote an old saying
"Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics."

So you are saying that Japan can easily supply it's ships in the Atlantic?

So you are saying that Japan can easily supply it's ships in the Atlantic?

Yes! Provided the shipping lanes to Japan remain open.

Ok then. Of course one good storm would play havok with the Japanese supply routes. And if the Suez Canal gets cut off, then there goes that supply route. And the Japanese supply routes will be stretched to the limit going around Africa and SOuth America. And even neutral nations will have problems supplying full scale campaigns into the Atlantic.

Ok then. Of course one good storm would play havok with the Japanese supply routes. And if the Suez Canal gets cut off, then there goes that supply route.

Japan is not using the Suez Canal.

Meaning they are going around Africa or South America. Tenious at best and hostile personally at worst. (Which it happens to be during winter.) I'm just saying that if they can do it, it would still be a pain to do. To say that it's easy even in the age of coal and oil is to really play down mother nature's wrath in that part of the world. It would be like saying it's easy to survive in Antartica.

Um.. Sukiada. I'm not sure what you are trying to get out of this but

1st. Japan may be somewhat more sneaky than you think
2md. The Mods I assume would already be well aware of this and have already made a decision
3rd. Your making yourself look like a whiny bastard

Should the mods decide that something is happening to Japan's supply line I'm sure they will tell us. They know more about the situation than either you or I.

Fine, then. Japan can easily patrol the Atlantic.

How long until people can start making claims on Antarctica? I mean, in RL, Argentina built Orcadas Base (the first permanently populated base) in 1904.

:D

Yes, I am that desperate for land...

Fine, then. Japan can easily patrol the Atlantic.

PLEASE SUCK IT UP AND FINALLY ACCEPT A MOD RULING
No one is asking you to agree with them, just to accept them. If you do feel it necessary to disagree with a mod ruling, you are expected (well everyone actually) to do it in private (via e-mail or TG's) and then NOT TO WHINE ABOUT IT! The mods, especially GB, are graciously putting their time into this RP and often spend much more time (again GB probably 8x the amount of time) than the average player involved in this RP, myself included.

Please do not make their job any more difficult or aggravating, this goes to everyone else here as well.

And GB, please check you e-mail.

Just a note, GB, I have 20 Zeppelins (a unit) I bought from Germany helping anti-rebel forces in the Contestado Region so they can find and destroy the rebels instead of having to wait for them to attack.

Just a note, GB, I have 20 Zeppelins (a unit) I bought from Germany helping anti-rebel forces in the Contestado Region so they can find and destroy the rebels instead of having to wait for them to attack.

Did Germany agree to sell them IC and when? They Zeppelins take time to build and it also takes time to train their crews...

PLEASE SUCK IT UP AND FINALLY ACCEPT A MOD RULING
No one is asking you to agree with them, just to accept them. If you do feel it necessary to disagree with a mod ruling, you are expected (well everyone actually) to do it in private (via e-mail or TG's) and then NOT TO WHINE ABOUT IT! The mods, especially GB, are graciously putting their time into this RP and often spend much more time (again GB probably 8x the amount of time) than the average player involved in this RP, myself included.

Please do not make their job any more difficult or aggravating, this goes to everyone else here as well.

And GB, please check you e-mail.

all well and good Kordo, but if he was in fact accepting the Mod ruling with that post and just making sure we all knew, you may end up feeling like an ass for jumping on him about it.

The rest of your point for future reference is outstanding though. I couldnt agree more.

Did Germany agree to sell them IC and when? They Zeppelins take time to build and it also takes time to train their crews...

There you go (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11947437&postcount=75)
I figured the unit was already constructed, as I doubt his arms manufacturers would be accepting foreign orders at a time like this and he's been using planes for recon.

How long until people can start making claims on Antarctica? I mean, in RL, Argentina built Orcadas Base (the first permanently populated base) in 1904.

:D

Yes, I am that desperate for land...

you can make all the claims you want... whether any one will honor them is another question (chuckle)

There you go (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11947437&postcount=75)
I figured the unit was already constructed, as I doubt his arms manufacturers would be accepting foreign orders at a time like this and he's been using planes for recon.

Brazil can obtain Zeppelins, IF Germany is willing to divert them from his own use. Bottome line, Germany is able to keep up with attrition right now, and has enough spare capacity to build 1 more unit. Iffy part is getting them across the oceans to Brazil, which hasn't reallly been tried yet. So I am going to say that they can be constructed in Germany, dissassembled, and then reassembled in Brazil, but it will cost the Brazilians double for that

Might be cheaper to buy Blimps from the Americans or British or whoever else has developed them.

GB, an e-mail for you

It was an acceptance that showed I disagreed, but that I always accept what the mod does even if I think it's ludicrious.

ANd what's the advantage of zepplins over blimps in game terms?

And with the population reductions caused by the war and the Influenza, we will need to have a population calulating rule in the game now. I tried my best using trends in Spain, but have found that it's still confusing. It also means that my population scores will be inaccurate based on the trends. Though its still confusing that some countries continued their population growth despite the Influenza. And regularly too. Maybe the site I am using is wonky.

Brazil can obtain Zeppelins, IF Germany is willing to divert them from his own use. Bottome line, Germany is able to keep up with attrition right now, and has enough spare capacity to build 1 more unit. Iffy part is getting them across the oceans to Brazil, which hasn't reallly been tried yet. So I am going to say that they can be constructed in Germany, dissassembled, and then reassembled in Brazil, but it will cost the Brazilians double for that

Might be cheaper to buy Blimps from the Americans or British or whoever else has developed them.

The point was to buy them from Germany, who already had them, so I wouldn't have to wait on construction. If I have to wait for them to be built, there's really no use in getting them because the rebellion will probably be over or dying down by then. And as for shipping, I was planning on putting them mostly assembled on ships for the long trek (As you can tell, I don't know much about airships).

GB, you have two new emails.

The point was to buy them from Germany, who already had them, so I wouldn't have to wait on construction. If I have to wait for them to be built, there's really no use in getting them because the rebellion will probably be over or dying down by then. And as for shipping, I was planning on putting them mostly assembled on ships for the long trek (As you can tell, I don't know much about airships).

extra cost is the expensive of dissambling and reassembling them... they are pretty complex

look up the R101 crash to see what happens when you get it wrong

Hey, if no one could tell I am a noob, I prefer newb though, and as being such a low life, I could need some help in getting started. I did read in all of E20's threads like the Great War and think it is a uber idea to not let the RPers get to pick how the damage has been dealt but a very involved moderator.

Another cool thing is the whole "builds" idea, pretty sweet if you look in my little red book, also the fact that you can spend a lot of time and post to everything and get yourself involved in even more stuff. Or you could just post your builds everyweekend and reply to the odd diplomatic correspondance.

All seems like a fun deal and I was wondering about getting involved (depressingly, right after WWI) as Belgium. Now my usual reference material is limited to Wikipedia, and maybe a useful web page whe I Google-it. So don't expect the most wonderful and vibrant nation appearing, but I'll try, and not yell at any of the moderators, or even get snotty and correct them. Since I've seen a couple players do that, the mods know what they're about.

My Belgium's history I don't want to get caught up in (You can change a certain amount of history, right?), and so I'll take the reins from the current Belgium and see what happens.

My last little question could be how does Belgium stand? I don't know to much about current Belgium affairs than beyond it was involved in the Great War, and if it was involved at all supported France (I'm guessing). If that's pretty much it, cool, but any other comments or sidenotes you know of would be appreciated.

Sorry for rambling-

Hey, if no one could tell I am a noob, I prefer newb though, and as being such a low life, I could need some help in getting started. I did read in all of E20's threads like the Great War and think it is a uber idea to not let the RPers get to pick how the damage has been dealt but a very involved moderator.

Another cool thing is the whole "builds" idea, pretty sweet if you look in my little red book, also the fact that you can spend a lot of time and post to everything and get yourself involved in even more stuff. Or you could just post your builds everyweekend and reply to the odd diplomatic correspondance.

All seems like a fun deal and I was wondering about getting involved (depressingly, right after WWI) as Belgium. Now my usual reference material is limited to Wikipedia, and maybe a useful web page whe I Google-it. So don't expect the most wonderful and vibrant nation appearing, but I'll try, and not yell at any of the moderators, or even get snotty and correct them. Since I've seen a couple players do that, the mods know what they're about.

My Belgium's history I don't want to get caught up in (You can change a certain amount of history, right?), and so I'll take the reins from the current Belgium and see what happens.

My last little question could be how does Belgium stand? I don't know to much about current Belgium affairs than beyond it was involved in the Great War, and if it was involved at all supported France (I'm guessing). If that's pretty much it, cool, but any other comments or sidenotes you know of would be appreciated.

Sorry for rambling-

No worries, we're always glad to have new people!

As for Belgium's recent history, its British-enforced neutrality was a major sticking point in our Great War--France (I know for sure) and Germany (I would imagine) were very nervous about violating, or even appearing to violate, Belgian neutrality, since doing so would bring the British Empire into the war against whoever had messed with poor little Belgium. So in brief, Belgium hasn't really done anything of note yet in the RP. Currently it's got France on one border and the French Army on most of the other.

Anyway, send a TG to Parthini, as I believe he is our go-to guy for interested players. Include a sample or two of previous roleplays and whatnot, and he'll get back to you.

No worries, we're always glad to have new people!

As for Belgium's recent history, its British-enforced neutrality was a major sticking point in our Great War--France (I know for sure) and Germany (I would imagine) were very nervous about violating, or even appearing to violate, Belgian neutrality, since doing so would bring the British Empire into the war against whoever had messed with poor little Belgium. So in brief, Belgium hasn't really done anything of note yet in the RP. Currently it's got France on one border and the French Army on most of the other.

Anyway, send a TG to Parthini, as I believe he is our go-to guy for interested players. Include a sample or two of previous roleplays and whatnot, and he'll get back to you.


Thank you for the infomation.

A sample or two of m previosu roleplays? Like for example what my other 6 posts were about? ;)

Excuse the double post, just forgot to "tag" this thread.

Ludwig Drums, I would suggest that you forgo playing Belgium as it doesn't have too much to do right now and play one of the new nations that are almost certainly going to be created from the Great War (For instance, Iraq or Kurdistan.)

That is, if you are accepted.

Thank you for the infomation.

A sample or two of m previosu roleplays? Like for example what my other 6 posts were about? ;)

Generally you don't need to know a ton about your nation, ust the basics, enough to get you started. You can change stuff when you're in charge, but not before you came in.

Belgium's neutrality is enforced by Germany as well as Britain and France.

I believe Belgium's interested in keeping control over belgian Congo and exploiting it, and keeping the homeland a fortress (You have at lest 1 Fortress)

Generally you don't need to know a ton about your nation, ust the basics, enough to get you started. You can change stuff when you're in charge, but not before you came in.

Belgium's neutrality is enforced by Germany as well as Britain and France.

I believe Belgium's interested in keeping control over belgian Congo and exploiting it, and keeping the homeland a fortress (You have at lest 1 Fortress)

Could you give me a crash course in what having a fortress (or not having one) and making builds? Since it seems simple, but complicated.

Could you give me a crash course in what having a fortress (or not having one) and making builds? Since it seems simple, but complicated.

sure

Fortress is a massive armed force, increases defense value of units and is somewhat expensive

For a build, you would take your combined income (resources+production centers+shipping, plus whatever) take the sum and subtract from the maintenance your military units need (maintenance is listed in the military thread) and social services (Level 1=1 point for every 10 million people, Level 2 is 2 points for every 10 million, and so on). The remaining points is what you can spend.

Then you take your points you can spend and multiply it by the growth percentage.

For example:
21 Points
2 Maintenance Points
2 Social Services
17 Points available to spend
17x.03 for reular spending=.51 (you woul wait until you get 1 to get a production center)

any questions?

Although I certainly don't mean to badger, perhaps with the war now over I might be able to join the RP again?

Although I certainly don't mean to badger, perhaps with the war now over I might be able to join the RP again?

What nation would you like to be?

You'd need to send links of previous RP's to Parthini

sure

Fortress is a massive armed force, increases defense value of units and is somewhat expensive

For a build, you would take your combined income (resources+production centers+shipping, plus whatever) take the sum and subtract from the maintenance your military units need (maintenance is listed in the military thread) and social services (Level 1=1 point for every 10 million people, Level 2 is 2 points for every 10 million, and so on). The remaining points is what you can spend.

Then you take your points you can spend and multiply it by the growth percentage.

For example:
21 Points
2 Maintenance Points
2 Social Services
17 Points available to spend
17x.03 for reular spending=.51 (you woul wait until you get 1 to get a production center)

any questions?

Oh, okay, thank you. Saying it like that makes it simpler to follow along.

What nation would you like to be?

You'd need to send links of previous RP's to Parthini

I'm guessing you didn't have a chance to see my previous statement:

Hello all,

This is your long lost Canadian player, Lachenburg. For the past several weeks, a handful of matters of varying importance have worked to detract my attention from the RPing world. And, to complicate matters even further, my original player profile of more than 2 years and 1,500 posts was randomly deleted, never to surface again (despite my inquiries to the Moderating staff about the matter).

But no matter, I am back and ready to dive into the fray. If the Dominion of Canada is still open for claiming, I would be more than willing to take it for another spin. However, in the event that it is not, I would be perfectly content in playing another avalible nation (perhaps Belgium or the Netherlands). Of course, that is if I am still welcome to continue to participate in the E20 saga.

Anyways, I guess the first question I should ask is whether or not Canada is still open? If yes, I might re-claim it. If no, I'll probably wait until the Great War Peace Talks have concluded and pick up one of those states (or another exsisting state in Latin America perhaps). This is all provided, of course, I gain approval from GB.

I'm guessing you didn't have a chance to see my previous statement:



Anyways, I guess the first question I should ask is whether or not Canada is still open? If yes, I might re-claim it. If no, I'll probably wait until the Great War Peace Talks have concluded and pick up one of those states (or another exsisting state in Latin America perhaps). This is all provided, of course, I gain approval from GB.

I knew I saw you from somewhere. Canada's still open

Pretty much the only new thing with Canada is the passing of a treaty that lets the US build a transportation network through your west side that links alaska to the lower 48.

That I know of at least...

Hey, I am your Belgium wannabe, gone for Monday and Tuesday. May check my telegrams, maybe not.

So if I don't, don't think I am not interested.

A trio of lawyers and experts step forward and point out to all concerned that the Treaty of San Stefano was revised on July 13, 1878, by the Treaty of Berlin, and thus was indeed “reversed,” and thus no one is bound by it in the manner the Bulgarians claim (although everyone but the Bulgarians seem to have recognized that fact). It is also pointed out that some of the Greek territory now claimed by Bulgaria was ceded to Greece by the Ottoman Empire in a separate treaty in 1906.

OOC: In other words, the 35 year old Treaty of San Stefano is no longer in force, as it was revised in the very same year it was written, and there have since been countless other treaties concerning both the territory Bulgaria now claims and the Balkans in general.

Moving this to the main thread so the Peace Talks arent cluttered. I cant help but wonder if these are the same lawyers who spoke up about the US and Haiti back in 1908 (or 1907 or whenever it was). As they said in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid--"who are these guys?" :p

Moving this to the main thread so the Peace Talks arent cluttered. I cant help but wonder if these are the same lawyers who spoke up about the US and Haiti back in 1908 (or 1907 or whenever it was). As they said in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid--"who are these guys?" :p

They are simply any delegations lawyers and experts (I assume every delegation has a diplomatic and legal staff that can brief them on matters like a 35 year old defunct Balkan Treaty).

I'm guessing you didn't have a chance to see my previous statement:



Anyways, I guess the first question I should ask is whether or not Canada is still open? If yes, I might re-claim it. If no, I'll probably wait until the Great War Peace Talks have concluded and pick up one of those states (or another exsisting state in Latin America perhaps). This is all provided, of course, I gain approval from GB.

yes, you can remain Canada, see Parthini concerning recent builds

Hey, I am your Belgium wannabe, gone for Monday and Tuesday. May check my telegrams, maybe not.

So if I don't, don't think I am not interested.

you can take over Belgium as of 1914

assume everything that happened historically to Belgium has happened up to 1911, and that Belgium was out of the Great War (wasnt invaded)

primary difference Belgium this timeline is a lot more heavily defended and fortified, as it viewed only way to stay neutral was to make invading it more trouble then it was worth.

Belgian builds have been handled by me and the most recent is in the Economic thread under NPC builds. Belgium has been investing heavily in the Belgian Congo to improve its transportation infrastructure, a project that is nearly completed

added World War I (well officially its still the Great War) and the peace talks to links post

Yeah we need a Second World War to have it called World War I. THough this one was less bloody. Only 1/3rd the number of deaths.

I actually would sort of prefer if in this timeline we called them the "First Great War," "Second Great War," and so on. Just for a change in flavor...

I actually would sort of prefer if in this timeline we called them the "First Great War," "Second Great War," and so on. Just for a change in flavor...

yes but we did that last game.. chuckle

this one at least was actually global, unlike the 1st Great War in the last game

Yeah it was, fought everywhere but the Americas. Unles syou consider the little Latin American Wars part of the greater one.

yes but we did that last game.. chuckle

this one at least was actually global, unlike the 1st Great War in the last game

Damn, are you serious?

::feels really ignorant for somehow missing that and calling the big fights from last E20 World Wars all this time::

Need all nations that have a navy to post the exact size of their navy either in the military thread, or provide a link to it there

need to know exact number of ships (names would be good to) of all types, plus naval bases and naval yards (name and location

GB, do you have the last Belgium build?

For those who are interested, I'm pretty sure the earlier WWI would have messed up the next AHE Emperor's (Karl I) RL marriage to an Italian woman, which means I now have an eligible Emperor to be. If you interested in having one of your royal family marry into the Hapsburgs, please TG me. Only Russians and Serbians will be denied!

For those who are interested, I'm pretty sure the earlier WWI would have messed up the next AHE Emperor's (Karl I) RL marriage to an Italian woman, which means I now have an eligible Emperor to be. If you interested in having one of your royal family marry into the Hapsburgs, please TG me. Only Russians and Serbians will be denied!

I'd offer someone from my royal family, but not sure if an asian-european child line would be viewed well in Europe

I'd offer someone from my royal family, but not sure if an asian-european child line would be viewed well in Europe

Lack of realism has never stopped me before so I'd be up for it.

Though the mods might have something to say about it............

For those who are interested, I'm pretty sure the earlier WWI would have messed up the next AHE Emperor's (Karl I) RL marriage to an Italian woman, which means I now have an eligible Emperor to be. If you interested in having one of your royal family marry into the Hapsburgs, please TG me. Only Russians and Serbians will be denied!

Perhaps a Pole or a German?

Karl was a pretty cool guy... what about a Battenberg?

yes, you can remain Canada, see Parthini concerning recent builds

Excellent. I shall get on that as soon as possible.

First page of my Imperial SPain thread has my navy on it. Exact numbers and locations along with my naval bases and yards.

First page of my Imperial SPain thread has my navy on it. Exact numbers and locations along with my naval bases and yards.

how updated is it?

I update it every time a change is made. So it's as recent as the last ship I lost at sea, and the last repair needed. SO a few days.

GB, shot you an e-mail.

When will we be on normal time? I mean, South Africa is pretty much the most boring player nation to be right now, since I have absolutely nothing to do but sit here and stare at other people. Also, it's been half a month (if not longer) since I did my last build (for 1913). I have nothing to do...

Tell me about it. I didn't have a country for a couple of weeks once Serbia fell. Now being the Netherlands I have nothing to do, but I'm fine with since I really can just play casual.

When will we be on normal time? I mean, South Africa is pretty much the most boring player nation to be right now, since I have absolutely nothing to do but sit here and stare at other people. Also, it's been half a month (if not longer) since I did my last build (for 1913). I have nothing to do...

I am hoping the peace treaty can be settled by tomorrow so that when I come back from vacation we can finish up 1913 and get back to the normal time schedule

Well as long as Japan doesn't contest the return of the Canaries, Spain has already ready to sign. So that's about it. It can handle other treaties later. And the ex-Sultan's return can be handled if he wishes. It's really a, he'll be out of my hair after having to deal with him a year. That's about it.

Sukiaida, please do not clutter up the Peace Talks thread with pointless OOC remarks.

Please delete this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11980291&postcount=189

******

GB: TG

Fine, but can people stop telling me that SPain is dragging it's feet? It's not. And any slowness is an OOC thing that shouldn't be translated to IC stuff in the first place. It's getting old. I have a vacation that I am trying to plan, and I didn't have time to respond as quicklya s everyone. So I am blamed because I have a RL. THat's not FAIR IN THE LEAST.

Fine, but can people stop telling me that SPain is dragging it's feet? It's not. And any slowness is an OOC thing that shouldn't be translated to IC stuff in the first place. It's getting old. I have a vacation that I am trying to plan, and I didn't have time to respond as quicklya s everyone. So I am blamed because I have a RL. THat's not FAIR IN THE LEAST.

ooc
your government is being accused of dragging its feet on the treaty, not you personally. A lot of pressure is being placed to get a workable treaty, and some of the issues your government is raising are not viewed as terribly important in the scheme of things.

In short, its not an OOC compliant, but in IC one

OOC: BUt I just stated that SPain and Germany met a consideration. In fact Spain is ready to sign this very minute unless Japan refuses to hand the Canaries back to Spain. THat's not dragging it's feet. I already discussed with Germany in the thread if anyone had read. In fact Spain has closed it's arguments and is prepared to sign it's part of the treaty. That means it's the first to be prepared to sign and finish it's arguments. That's not dragging it's feet. In fact it's the complete opposite.

Alternate History OOC and Primary Thread could, by chance, be exclusively for OOC. So having your posts labeled OOC, would be, in some cynical person's mind, a little redundant.

Anyhoo, GB, have I posted asking for Belgium's last build, or was I hallucinating? If not, could I have Belgium's last build?

Maybe I am putting the carriage before the horse; I looked up and down in the NPC thread and I couldn't find any builds really of anybody. Which also leads me to ask, am I accepted as Belgium or should I look somewhere else to play as, or look somewhere else to participate in?

Alternate History OOC and Primary Thread could, by chance, be exclusively for OOC. So having your posts labeled OOC, would be, in some cynical person's mind, a little redundant.

Anyhoo, GB, have I posted asking for Belgium's last build, or was I hallucinating? If not, could I have Belgium's last build?

Maybe I am putting the carriage before the horse; I looked up and down in the NPC thread and I couldn't find any builds really of anybody. Which also leads me to ask, am I accepted as Belgium or should I look somewhere else to play as, or look somewhere else to participate in?

most recent (1912) Belgian build
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605335&postcount=4
1913 would be the same (meaning 26 of the needed 30 points to upgrade Belgian Congo to tech level 3 have been spent)

I will be gone for the next few days, and won't be back really until Monday

except for the Peace Treaty Thread, the game is essentially on hold until then

hopefully, peace treaty will be completed, and we can finish up 1913 and start 1914 Tuesday, 11/28

You have a TG...

I will draw up the preliminary final version of the treaty for review later tonight.

Gonna be out of town till Sunday with limited if any internet access.

Gonna be out of town till Sunday with limited if any internet access.

want to respond to my post in your thread before you go? That'd be cool

Belgium Diplomacy and Factbook thread! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508164)

About the map, just a few minor details, Macedonia should be getting about half of Greek Macedonia aswell as to Salonika, Bulgaria gets the other half.

See Here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/GreeceRegionsEnglish.png) for Greek Macedonia

From the Salonika extand a line to the Bulgarian-Greek Border whats to the east is mine and what's to the west is for Macedonia.

Also, Transylvania should be much bigger and Bulgaria should control all of Dobrudja, Turkey Controls Thrace (see map link above).

Bulgaria could be coloured also.

About the map, just a few minor details, Macedonia should be getting about half of Greek Macedonia aswell as to Salonika, Bulgaria gets the other half.

See Here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/GreeceRegionsEnglish.png) for Greek Macedonia

From the Salonika extand a line to the Bulgarian-Greek Border whats to the east is mine and what's to the west is for Macedonia.

Also, Transylvania should be much bigger and Bulgaria should control all of Dobrudja, Turkey Controls Thrace (see map link above).

Bulgaria could be coloured also.


I've made an updated map and wil post it later when I can get on a network that doesn't consider photobucket as a porn site.

The Salonika-Macedonia-Greece thing is a bit unimportant as it's only a few pixels difference, I will depict it accurately when I do the zoomed in map. This map is only intended to give a general idea.

As for Bulgaria being coloured, it doesn't control any protectorates or over seas territories so, no it does not need to be coloured.

This (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/WWI-re.png) map has the borders of the world right as WWI started, so I figure it should be helpful in some situations.

Is it possible for the Dutch to start their own aviation industry? I have already read the post about it in the military thread, but I just need approval.

You just have to entice Fokker back to the Netherlands =/

Yes I must "entice" Fokker back to Netherlands, but I have no idea where Fokker is right now. He doesn't have to be in Germany just because he built planes to them. Plus I think he would come back to his homeland instead to Germany.

Ask Gb when he gets back, but I assume Fokker will make planes for the Netherlands.

Would the Netherlands be interested in a joint aviation industry if Fokker is cajoled into coming back? North, industrial, Belgium would be a good place to start the manufacturing of any airplanes conceived by your intellectual branch.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/germanye20/E201914.png

Here's a map I started. It's up to date colonially, but Europe and China I screwed up on.

Would the Netherlands be interested in a joint aviation industry if Fokker is cajoled into coming back? North, industrial, Belgium would be a good place to start the manufacturing of any airplanes conceived by your intellectual branch.

No it's fine. I have already made a plan for making my aviation industry. By 1918 I should have an aviation industry. Thanks for the offer. Maybe we can do something in the future.

One Map to rule them all, One Map to find them,
One Map to bring them all and in the darkness bind them


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/E20-1914Post-treaty.png

....one map to still have a few errors.

I think this is the fully correct map. EDIT- But hit me if it isn't. I'm sure there are still errors.
Edit 2: And my first action? Posted the wrong map. The right one is now up.
Edit 3: Silly me. Alaska is owned by the US.
Edit 3: And to think, I messed up on Italy even after setting my mind to fixing it.
Edit 4: The corrections were now made in Ato-Sara's, so why bother wasting all that room with a second map that looks almost the same?

....one map to still have a few errors.

I think this is the fully correct map.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7049/e20postww12fk3.png

A few, but nothing near as major as that map has got. Europe and China are way out there. It is nowhere near fully correct.

Anyway, mind pointing out some errors to help the process?

Edit- Please take Antarctica off the map, as the map is different depending on whther or not countries support the British claim to Antarctica or support no claims at all to Antarctica.

1. The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/LocationNetherlandsAntilles.png are Dutch.

2. Germany still owns its Pacific Islands (minus Papua and Bismarck Archipelago) and it has the French Islands in the Indian ocean.

3. The little island south of Newfoundland is still French (even today!)

I think that's it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/E20-1914Post-treaty.png

I don't know which islands Germany has, if you could point them out to me I will add them.

I do not believe the Niger is German, or at least the top half of it (the top half of the Niger being considered part of French West Africa). Madagascar is French and Italian. Arabia is not under Englands control, be it direct or indirect (yet), and thus it should not be pink. The Republic of Hainan is still a French client state (France has troops there and controls the economy). Also, Russia owns that little piece between itself and Rumania. The Dominican Republic will soon be under America's control (direct or indirect), so you might as well add that country America's territory.

could we have individual maps for each land-important continent (by which I mean areas likely to change)? Europe, Asia (with pictures of the islands), and Africa, and the Middle east, as that's where the arguments are and wherelittle differences matter

If we do that, I would be more than happy to keep maps going of the Americas (since it is my hemisphere anyway). There was a map of Europe set up on the peace talks thread that looked fairly good. I could finish up any changes in it once the talks are finalized and either keep it up or transfer the necessary files through email to somebody who is more interested in it. I also have a map of the Pacific Islands that was updated through the sale of French possessions that I believe is fairly accurate and could be posted later this evening when I get back to school

Asia and Africa are less my thing, and it looks like we already have pretty good maps gettings set up for that. Ato-Sara's looks good to me.

Haneastic:

The Greek King brought them out of the Balkan War, rather than brought them into it.

economic effects of the War and some other issues will be posted tonight and tomorrow

trying for Tuesday to be 1914

Haneastic:

The Greek King brought them out of the Balkan War, rather than brought them into it.

Wasn't he ruling during the Balkna War though? I'm sure people would blame him either way, even if it wasn't his fault

New Canadian Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508437)

By the way, if someone could possibily TG me the Canadian Budget and Military Organization as of 1913, that'd be great, thank you.

New Canadian Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508437)

By the way, if someone could possibily TG me the Canadian Budget and Military Organization as of 1913, that'd be great, thank you.

check the British thread, its all there

Problems with your map:
1. Arabia is not British
2. Siam has NE corner of Burma (Shan State)
3. Hainan is French (it appears to be colored American at this time)
4. Madagascar is French, not Italian (although it may soon be a joint French-Italian Colony)
5. French India is French (it appears to be neutral at this time)
6. Since you've got Vatican City and San Marino as independent, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc should really be there.

Problems with your map:
1. Arabia is not British
2. Siam has NE corner of Burma (Shan State)
3. Hainan is French (it appears to be colored American at this time)
4. Madagascar is French, not Italian (although it may soon be a joint French-Italian Colony)
5. French India is French (it appears to be neutral at this time)
6. Since you've got Vatican City and San Marino as independent, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc should really be there.

Hainan was turned over to America to avoid being overrun by Japan

Problems with your map:
1. Arabia is not British
2. Siam has NE corner of Burma (Shan State)
3. Hainan is French (it appears to be colored American at this time)
4. Madagascar is French, not Italian (although it may soon be a joint French-Italian Colony)
5. French India is French (it appears to be neutral at this time)
6. Since you've got Vatican City and San Marino as independent, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc should really be there.

although San Marino may be independent, the Vatican definitely isn't .... Mussolini got that accomplished

Montenegro should be independant.

Problems with your map:
1. Arabia is not British
2. Siam has NE corner of Burma (Shan State)
3. Hainan is French (it appears to be colored American at this time)
4. Madagascar is French, not Italian (although it may soon be a joint French-Italian Colony)
5. French India is French (it appears to be neutral at this time)
6. Since you've got Vatican City and San Marino as independent, Hong Kong, Shanghai etc should really be there.

1. fixed
2. Already done.
3. Explained by Haneastic
4. Fixed (I keep getting different opinions on this one)
5. Just looks that way, is actually coloured French.
6. Vatican city and San Marino are not independant and Hing Kong, Macau, Shanghai, Singapore, etc. are all marked on the map as being owned by the respective countries.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/E20-1914Post-treaty.png

Hainan was turned over to America to avoid being overrun by Japan

Hainan was not turned over to the Americans...they simply recognized the Hainanese government and guaranteed the independence of the island in the face of Japanese expansionism. It is still a French protectorate, and should be colored as such.

Hainan was not turned over to the Americans...they simply recognized the Hainanese government and guaranteed the independence of the island in the face of Japanese expansionism. It is still a French protectorate, and should be colored as such.

Since there is a bit of debate on this subject I shall wait for a mod desicion.

Germany has northern French Equatorial Africa, Britain has Bismarck Archpilageo, Somalia's controlled by Italy, more of Transylvania is A-H, and merge Czechoslovakia to AH

Since there is a bit of debate on this subject I shall wait for a mod desicion.

There is no debate. Hainan was never handed over to the Americans. There are forty thousand French garrison troops on the island, remember.

There is no debate. Hainan was never handed over to the Americans.

Unfortunately when there has previously been a disagreement over this kind of thing on the map, it has meant me doing and redoing modifications over and over again only to be told later by a mod that I had it right the first time.
This is a waste of my time which I so graciously give to making a map and so I will wait for mod approval of this change since I have already changed it back and forth about three times and the bus stops here.


And Haneastic you need to refresh the map page to see the changes.

There is no debate. Hainan was never handed over to the Americans. There are forty thousand French garrison troops on the island, remember.

if I recall correctly, Hainan was independent under US protection, with the French troops interned until the end of the war.

So are the French troops going home?

Unfortunately when there has previously been a disagreement over this kind of thing on the map, it has meant me doing and redoing modifications over and over again only to be told later by a mod that I had it right the first time.
This is a waste of my time which I so graciously give to making a map and so I will wait for mod approval of this change since I have already changed it back and forth about three times and the bus stops here.


And Haneastic you need to refresh the map page to see the changes.

whoa, that's...odd.

Are some of the borders unable to be removed? cause the Moldavian border looks a little odd since its Russia's

IS someone playing Imperial China now?

if I recall correctly, Hainan was independent under US protection, with the French troops interned until the end of the war.

So are the French troops going home?

Yes, Hainan is "independent" (*wink* *wink*). About 20,000 French troops are staying as a Garrison and France still controls the island's economy.

IS someone playing Imperial China now?

Ato-Sara in 1914

is it really so hard to get my territories correct when I've stated them so many times?

Madagascar IS a French-Italian Codominium. Colour it striped.

French Dijbouti was sold to Italy.

Ethiopia is Italian.

AND ITALIAN SOMILILAND

http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/countries/ItalianEastAfrica.html

Just look at that.

is it really so hard to get my territories correct when I've stated them so many times?

Madagascar IS a French-Italian Codominium. Colour it striped.

French Dijbouti was sold to Italy.

Ethiopia is Italian.

AND ITALIAN SOMILILAND

http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/countries/ItalianEastAfrica.html

Just look at that.

refresh the map and it corrects

is it really so hard to get my territories correct when I've stated them so many times?

Madagascar IS a French-Italian Codominium. Colour it striped.

French Dijbouti was sold to Italy.

Ethiopia is Italian.

AND ITALIAN SOMILILAND

http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/countries/ItalianEastAfrica.html

Just look at that.

Shout at the maker of maps again and thou shalt be eaten.

If someone (By someone I mean someone with the ability to hit their refresh button) could compile a list of changes that need to be made I would be most grateful.

And Madagascar?

make Madagascar striped Italy/France is the only thing I see, also add the Shan states to Siam

And Madagascar?

Will be included in the next update as I have been asked to change it so many times it has been relegated to minor status.

Will be included in the next update as I have been asked to change it so many times it has been relegated to minor status.

Thou shalt not mess with thy map maker or suffer his wrath!

A correction to Madagascar: I said that Madagascar was French. Due to the vagaries of war, the nothern half of Madagascar is a French-Italian codominion, while the southern half of Madagascar is French only. Apologies for the mistake.

To see how this happened, check the French thread.

Ok. Minor issues:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/germanye20/E201914.png?t=1164597608

This map is correct for the Pacific, Indian and Caribbean bodies of water, wrong for pretty much everything else.

Problems: You gave the Netherlands too many islands in the Caribbean.
Reunion and Comoros are now German.
You didn't have the German Islands in the Pacific.
You didn't have French (now American) Polynesia.


I *think* that's it.

Shout at the maker of maps again and thou shalt be eaten.

If someone (By someone I mean someone with the ability to hit their refresh button) could compile a list of changes that need to be made I would be most grateful.

be nice to the mapmaker

I was wondering; how do we calculate flu deaths?

Also, I seem to have lost track of how much military I have (I guess 3 Infantry Corps, 1 light Brigade, 1 Mountain Div., 6 police units and 2 Cavalry Div. -Is this right?-)

I was also wondering how much pop. do I gain from occupied territory?

Montenegro should be independant.
I believe this was missed.

I believe this was missed.

Is Montenegro even independant?

Yes it is.

I will be adjusting who owns what on the main page this week, as well which player has which country

I was wondering; how do we calculate flu deaths?

Also, I seem to have lost track of how much military I have (I guess 3 Infantry Corps, 1 light Brigade, 1 Mountain Div., 6 police units and 2 Cavalry Div. -Is this right?-)

I was also wondering how much pop. do I gain from occupied territory?

that would be 385,000 men in the military, plus your navy, and military casualties are higher then civilian casualties (a lot higher)

for now just count Bulgaria 1913 civilian deaths and your 1913 military deaths

for 1914, you will have demobilized, and should have a smaller army, which will suffer therefor fewer casualties. For ease of play, just add another 2 million population this year while figuring out your civilian flu casualties. (should take care of refugees which suffer higher death rates anyway)

by the way, tomorrow is 1914, and we are back on the normal 1 week = 1 year time frame
note special postwar economic rules on first page of economic thread

GB: What become of Rumania's production center? Safe claims it was shipped off to Bulgaria but nothing was posted on the war thread or economic thread about that (only Greece is posted as being stripped).

note special postwar economic rules on first page of economic thread

There seems to be one or two typos.

And my usual two questions. Does the war effect Spain's change to a tech lvl 5 country at all? And can Spain have an aviation industry. I can explain why it could happen a little later if you want.

GB: What become of Rumania's production center? Safe claims it was shipped off to Bulgaria but nothing was posted on the war thread or economic thread about that (only Greece is posted as being stripped).

yes he looted it, sorry it wasn't posted

And my usual two questions. Does the war effect Spain's change to a tech lvl 5 country at all? And can Spain have an aviation industry. I can explain why it could happen a little later if you want.

no to the first question

if you spend the points for the second question

There seems to be one or two typos.

I will fire my etidor for that oen

Ok, so 1917 it is then. Alright then that's fine.

AND YES!!!! I can do an aviation history. I just wanted to know if I could spend the points. Now that I know I can, I will begin in 1915. Yes. Alright. By the way had a pretty good vacation. Hope the same for everyone else.

OOH by the way GB, we have to discuss some things about land reform for Spain. It seems that the only reason that Spain didn't succeed is not because of it's actual plan, but because of underfunding. 22 Million Pessetos was all it had for funding. WHich is pathetic.

Oh also a great book for the Spanish Civil War I read during my vacation, "The Battle for SPain" by Antony Beevor. He had alot of help from SPanish historians and also declassified German and Soviet documents. It's awesome. ANd really helped me in my knowledge of SPain's politics. Also showed me some of the major causes of the war have been avoided because of the assasination and Britain's little attempted take over.

If you haven't read it yet, recommended reading.

A summit (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12028327&postcount=1) is called in Jerusalem by the French government in late 1914. Russia, Italy, Imperial China, Syria, Kurdistan, Armenia, the Persian Empire, and Baghdad are invited to attend.

Due to a general slow down in business caused by the effects of the flu, ALL 1914 growth is halved, quartered for US

Malkyer, you forgot Armenia and the Persian Empire.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509466
Imperila China N/D thread

Turkish News thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12030997&posted=1#post12030997

may I join this, claiming the area on this map (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/Caucasus-map-D2.gif) I would not start RPing until I finish the history thread.

may I join this, claiming the area on this map (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/Caucasus-map-D2.gif) I would not start RPing until I finish the history thread.

Um, this is an alternate history RP where we use real countries. I believe there's a list of availble nations on the first page.

You can't just claim land, this is an Alternate History RP (and the land in question is controlled by the Russian Empire and its Middle Eastern Client States).

may I join this, claiming the area on this map (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/Caucasus-map-D2.gif) I would not start RPing until I finish the history thread.

you read some of the threads and then send me or Parthini a TG is how one comes into this

Does 1915 start on Tuesday? Or are we extending?

Does 1915 start on Tuesday? Or are we extending?

normal schedule 1915 starts Tuesday

new Mideast and North Africa Events thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12035787&posted=1#post12035787

because it certainly needs one

Just a reminder, I've gained the Aegean islands and the Dodecanese (minus Rhodes). Would I gain, say 2 food production, from them?

Just a reminder, I've gained the Aegean islands and the Dodecanese (minus Rhodes). Would I gain, say 2 food production, from them?

yes, from fishing

Thanks. :)

Can I pay two points towards the contruction of British shipping units, and receive 0.5 points of profit, with the option to buy the ships when my population is large enough for the remaining one point?
Parth asked me to clear this with you.

yes, from fishing

And what about Rhodes?

And what about Rhodes?

has no value in game terms, other then position

GB, an answer to my previous post please.

Can I pay two points towards the contruction of British shipping units, and receive 0.5 points of profit, with the option to buy the ships when my population is large enough for the remaining one point?
Parth asked me to clear this with you.

partial shipping points are more trouble then they are worth game mechanics wise, so my preference is no

getting ready to change shipping at tech level 5.5 anyway

NEW IMPERIUM D/N THEAD HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043064&posted=1#post12043064)

oh and GB, do you know what the Imperiums naval yards are? I know in RL it was really just Pula.

Hmmm, this of course raised the question of how long the IMperium will last. The balkans is very devicive. Also curious as to the number of Serbians going into elite training. Very suspicious. Oh well. *Shrugs* Anyways, we need new links on the main thread to the new French and New IMperium Threads. Just a note.

NEW IMPERIUM D/N THEAD HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043064&posted=1#post12043064)

oh and GB, do you know what the Imperiums naval yards are? I know in RL it was really just Pula.

yard at Pola, base at Trieste and Split

Activity from my end might be sparse for the next few days--I have finals coming up, whatnot, so I may not be available.

Note major changes

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605325&postcount=2

Saw, and going to make the changes to uhh my preparations for 1916. And stuff.

real life been busy today and will be again tomorrow.. will catch up on things tomorrow night

Well I plan to do my 1916 build soon as I might not be here on Monday. No idea. schedule shaky and such.

Well I plan to do my 1916 build soon as I might not be here on Monday. No idea. schedule shaky and such.

And why do you need to tell us that? Just post an early build.

And why do you need to tell us that? Just post an early build.

Hey, there's no need to take a hostile tone. Maybe someone woulda been looking for him on Monday and wouldn't be able to find him. The post right before his was GB saying he'd be unable to get on, but I don't see you saying "And why do you need to tell us that" to him.

Hello everyone,

I think most of you remember me, I played (under the name elephantum) for a long time, as Syria, Russia, and Poland before the restart, and as the Zionist Organization for a while this time around. Life and school got in the way, and I was deleted for inactivity. Would it be possible for me to return as Poland?

I recieved

> Galveston Bay,
>
> I thought you deserved a head's up that I am not
> sure how long I will be able to continuing playing
> as the United States in E20. Combinations of rather
> severe time constraints from Real Life through the
> rest of 2006 and in the forseeable future are really
> having some effect. I find that I am continually
> behind on economic builds and in general only
> reacting to outside stimuli while creating foreign
> policy. In short, the United States is too important
> a nation for its historical performance to be
> dragged down because of my lack of ability to
> perform.
>
> At this point I am not sure what I am going to do.
> E20 has been a real joy to participate in for the
> past year and I think that I still have the time to
> participate on a less critical level. However, at
> this point my options seem to be an outright
> resignation from the game, handing the US over to
> somebody else while I take over a less critical
> country, or trudging along as the US while hoping
> that I can respond to crises as necessary. Until a
> decision is made I would prefer it if you not
> mention this to the other players--I just wanted to
> let you know what was going on in advance.
>
> I really am sorry for the inconvenience this
> may/will cause for everybody--I can not say enough
> how appreciative I am that I was trusted enough to
> control the United States in the first place, or how
> regretful I am that I have not been able to remain
> up to the challenge. If you have any suggestions or
> preferences on what course of action I should
> pursue, I am as always listening for your advice.
>
> Always,
>
> Cylea

I said
I will be sorry to see you go. For now, I will make the US a NPC country.

For now, I will have the US be an NPC for a bit but it will become available again for play after the Christmas holidays, or Cylea can play it until 1916 elections.

Hello everyone,

I think most of you remember me, I played (under the name elephantum) for a long time, as Syria, Russia, and Poland before the restart, and as the Zionist Organization for a while this time around. Life and school got in the way, and I was deleted for inactivity. Would it be possible for me to return as Poland?

Poland is probably a good fit, and I am willing to okay that

Hey, there's no need to take a hostile tone. Maybe someone woulda been looking for him on Monday and wouldn't be able to find him. The post right before his was GB saying he'd be unable to get on, but I don't see you saying "And why do you need to tell us that" to him.

part of the exasperation indicated in that is that Sukaida tends to post ooc a lot, although in his defense, this time it was in the appropriate thread for that.

damn it....why must we lose the USA...

That blows... bad... shit....

I guess we start taking applications for the US?

I recieved


>
> At this point I am not sure what I am going to do.
> E20 has been a real joy to participate in for the
> past year and I think that I still have the time to
> participate on a less critical level. However, at
> this point my options seem to be an outright
> resignation from the game, handing the US over to
> somebody else while I take over a less critical
> country, or trudging along as the US while hoping
> that I can respond to crises as necessary. Until a
> decision is made I would prefer it if you not
> mention this to the other players--I just wanted to
> let you know what was going on in advance.
>
.

sorry to break your confidence on this, but, as the US is so critical, I want things to be clear for referee purposes if I have to act. I hope you can continue to play, but certainly understand if you can't.

The US is damned complicated, by far the most complicated of all the countries to play economically, and for that matter, in military strategy.

Parthini;12063091']That blows... bad... shit....

I guess we start taking applications for the US?

no, not until I indicate so. Only an experienced player will be allowed this critical role.

Also possible, I have a good friend who is my age, an excellent strategist and gamer, and would do a wonderful job in the role, and he has been watching for a while now.

no, not until I indicate so. Only an experienced player will be allowed this critical role.

Also possible, I have a good friend who is my age, an excellent strategist and gamer, and would do a wonderful job in the role, and he has been watching for a while now.

oh good god no

TWO GB's?!?!

*runs for the hills*

GB, I think we should have a more experienced player--like Parth, Malkyer, etc--, but not a player who commands ULTIMATE KNOWLEDGE AND POWER. That's what happened last E20, and the US had an unfair advantage over everyone else because you are just too damn smart.

no, not until I indicate so. Only an experienced player will be allowed this critical role.

Also possible, I have a good friend who is my age, an excellent strategist and gamer, and would do a wonderful job in the role, and he has been watching for a while now.

I'm fine with that.

Sorry to see Cylea go though.

Seven American players down to... one? It's getting so lonely in the New World.

Sorry to see you go, Cylea. I thought you were playing the U.S. just fine.

I recieved...

Thus making this post relatively unnecessary, but hey, "nothing in his life Became him like the leaving it"

As I am sure you are all aware by now, my time as the United States in E20 is at a close, for RL reasons. This resignation may seem a little preemptive, but as pressures mount from schoolwork next semester I think that my time with this game is going to be sapped to the point where I wont be able to play with historical accuracy anymore. And as I wrote to GB, the US is simply too important to suffer because of my failings.

If after the winter holidays things look different, I hope you all will be able to find the room to accept me back in a more minor role here--a nation that needs a vibrant and active foreign policy around the globe I am afraid is not the place for me at this point.

Until then of course, it has been the greatest pleasure. I cant say enough how much fun it was to play with you all for the past year or so.

Cylea

Alright people, solemn goodbyes and all that aside, I think upon further examination I have to revise my resignation from the game. Perhaps I was caught up in the moment, perhaps I felt trapped by GB posting my letter and saying goodbye before I had made a call for sure. In any case my apologies for the confusion...

I will not have time to continue as the United States, but are there any other PC countries avaliable that I could pick up? Perhaps something smaller, whose disappearance from world affairs for a day or two wont be critical in the big scheme? If you all have any suggestions I would be happy to entertain them. Everybody here is too much fun to talk/play with to just walk away.

If not, of course I understand. I may check in again later to see if there are any changes.

Alright people, solemn goodbyes and all that aside, I think upon further examination I have to revise my resignation from the game. Perhaps I was caught up in the moment, perhaps I felt trapped by GB posting my letter and saying goodbye before I had made a call for sure. In any case my apologies for the confusion...

I will not have time to continue as the United States, but are there any other PC countries avaliable that I could pick up? Perhaps something smaller, whose disappearance from world affairs for a day or two wont be critical in the big scheme? If you all have any suggestions I would be happy to entertain them. Everybody here is too much fun to talk/play with to just walk away.

If not, of course I understand. I may check in again later to see if there are any changes.

just let me know what you want to play

Chile and Belgium are inactive, Portugal is available, Vietnam will be available soon

Hey, it's always a shame to lose an old (and good) member of this community, and a small country is better than nothing. Plus, should things quiet down, there's always a promotion.

Here's a list of Countries I can think of that have importance enough to potentially be PC countries:

-Baltic Union
-Hejaz
-S or N Persia
-Chile
-Argentina
-Colombia
-Mexico
-Portugal
-Egypt (in 5 years it becomes a Dominion)
-Ireland or New Zealand (if you REALLY don't have much time :p)

Top Three I think would be:

--Egypt (1920 conviniently comes around right as winter holidays end and I get computer access back)

--Baltic Union (if that is avaliable and in remotely decent economic shape).

--Belgium/Argentina kinda tied for a distant third.

Well, I hope you'll be able to stick around as some country or another, Cylea--it's a shame to see you have to go.

well, I have a feeling this new person is a shoo in, but may I suggest if Gb is taking other requests to be the United States that we not have someone from one of the 2 major factions? I may be somewhat paranoid, but I'd prefer someone who has no bias about the 2 seperate groups (Coalition and Allies) as they've been in them

That's my 2 cents

Cylea, hope you can play Baltic Union, then we could be allies

Edit: Also, a player on eiother major faction would be rather well aware of plans and ideas the side had, kind of an unfair advantage

Yes, its good to see you are staying alittle bit. So uhhh a smaller country, sure. As for who plays the United States, as long as they don't become to omnipotent, then I don't really care. It's GB's call anyways. I got my own nation to worry about. Cylea did a good job, I just hope others can do as good a job.

What year would we be in as of Tuesday?

*sheds a tear for Cylea*


TLS is my choice for USA...imagine the possibilities...

*sheds a tear for Cylea*


TLS is my choice for USA...imagine the possibilities...

FASCIST LEGIONS OF DOOM!

signficant rules changes and clarifications in economic and military threads

and the US will remain an NPC country for a while

well, I have a feeling this new person is a shoo in, but may I suggest if Gb is taking other requests to be the United States that we not have someone from one of the 2 major factions? I may be somewhat paranoid, but I'd prefer someone who has no bias about the 2 seperate groups (Coalition and Allies) as they've been in them

That's my 2 cents

Cylea, hope you can play Baltic Union, then we could be allies

Edit: Also, a player on eiother major faction would be rather well aware of plans and ideas the side had, kind of an unfair advantage

a valid and very critically important point.. hence the reason US will remain NPC for a while

Not to mention such an important country at this time would be best as an NPC for the moment. Anyways, lots of new changes. And aren't we in 1916 in Tuesday?

Montenegro is independant and will remain so.

Colonies and territories
United States
US Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
Philippines
Hawaii (includes islands like Midway and Johnson Island)
Alaska
American Samoa
Panama Canal Zone
Panama (de facto, officially a client state)
Cuba (de facto, officially a client state)
Polynesia (formerly French Polynesia)
Baja California (occupation)
northern Mexico (occupation)
Haiti (occupation)
Dominican Republic (occupation)

Netherlands
Dutch East Indies
Aruba
Bonaire (Dutch Antilles)
Dutch New Guinea
Surinam

Spain
Spanish Morocco
Canary Islands
Centa (enclave on Moroccan coast)
Balearic Islands

Portugal
Azores Islands
Madeira
Portuguese Guinea (modern Guinea Bissau)
Angola
Mozambique
Cabinda (modern part of Angola north of Zaire)
Goa (Portuguese India)
Macao (Portuguese colony in China)
Portuguese Timor (modern East Timor)
Sao Tome and Principe (islands in Gulf of Guinea)

Denmark
Greenland
Iceland
Faeroe Islands

Belgium
Belgian Congo

Italy
Massawa (modern Eritrea)
Italian Somilaland (northern part of modern Somalia)
Ethiopia
Fuzhou
Madagascar
Rhodes

Japan
Bonin Islands
Karafuto (southern Sakhalin Island)
Manchuria (proviences of Liaoning, Jilin, and Heilongjaing)
Korea
Okinawa and Ryukyu islands
Formosa (modern Taiwan)
Volcano Islands
Kurile Islands

France
French Sahara (RL Spanish Sahara)
French Morocco
Algeria
Tunisia
French West Africa
Ivory Coast
Chad
French Equatorial Africa
Madagascar
Amsterdam and St. Paul Islands (north of Antarctica)
French Indochina
Clipperton Island (off Pacific coast of Mexico)
Corsica
French India (consists of Chandernagore, Pondicherry, Karikal, Yanaon, and Mahé)
French Caribbean (Guadeloupe and Martinique)
Mauritius
New Caledonia
Spratley Islands
Wallis and Futuna Islands (near Fiji)
Palestine (includes Jordan)
Syria
Lebanon (Beriut hex)

Russian Empire
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Aland Islands (Baltic)
Belorussia
Crimea
Georgia
Kazakstan
Kyrgyzstan
Northern Sakhalin
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Western Ukraine (client state)
Persian Empire (northern Persia)(client state)
Kurdistan (client state)
Armenia (client state)

Austrian Hungarian Empire
Bohemia (modern Czech Republic)
Bosnia-Hercegovina (occupied 1738, annexed 1908)
Bukavina (part of Moldavia)
Dalmatia (part of Yugoslavia)
Croatia
Krakow (part of Poland)
Fiume
Lvov
Hungary
Austria
Ruthenia (part of modern day Ukraine)
Slovakia
Southern Tyrol
Trieste
Slovenia
Serbia
Montenegro (client state)
(misc border parts of modern day Germany, Poland, Rumania, Yugoslavia, etc)

German Empire
Comoros Islands (a client state but essentially German owned)
German Morocco
Burundi
Caroline Islands
German East Africa )
German Southwest Africa (Namibia)
German Togoland (Togo)
Mariana Islands
Marshal Islands
Memel (part of modern Lithuania)
Pleasant Island (modern Nauru)
Rwanda
Silesia (part of post 1945 Poland)
Palau
Western Samoa
Cameroon
Cape Verde Islands
Rio Muni (as part of Cameroon)

Australia
Papua
Torres Strait Islands
Northern Territory (as in Darwin area is still under British rule at this time)
Christmas, Cocos and Keeling, Norfolk Island and Coral Sea Islands are essentially Australian controlled

British Empire
Antarctica (disputed claim)
Aden
Andaman and Nicobar Islands
Anglo Egyptian Sudan (Sudan)
Anguella
Antigua
Ascension Island
Australia (Dominion)
Bahamas
Baker Island
Baluchistan
Bahrain
Barbados
Barbuda
Bechuanaland (Botswana)
British India (includes Pakistan, various Marajah states) (Dominion)
Bermuda
Bhutan
Guyana
Belize
Indian Ocean Territory
Burma
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Canada (Dominion)
Canton and Enderbury islands
South Africa (consists of several colonies, Dominion status 1910)
Tanzania (former German East Africa)
Ceylon
Cyprus
British Guinea
Dominica
Pitcairn Island group
Falkland Islands
Rhodesia
Fiji Islands
Gibraltar
Gilbert and Ellice Islands
Grenada
Hong Kong
Ireland (Dominion)
Isle of Man
Channel Islands
Oman (technically independent but a client state)
Jamaica
Kuwait (technically part of Ottoman Empire but a client state)
Laccadive Islands
Seychelles Islands
Maldives Islands
Malaysia
British Borneo
Mauritius
Nepal (client state)
Bhutan (client state)
New Hebrides (Vanatu)
Newfoundland
Nigeria
Kenya
Malawi
British Virgin Islands
Grand Caymans
British Antilles
Sierra Leon
South Georgia and Southern Sandwich Islands
Suez Canal Zone
Trinidad and Tobago
Windward Islands
Zanzibar (part of modern Tanzania)
Malta
Shanghai
Tibet (client state)
Persian Republic (southern Persia)(client state)

check for accuracy

Montenegro is independant and will remain so.

The Imperium, and for that matter, Montenegro recognize otherwise

'forgot Hainan, which is a French client state

Massawa (modern Eritrea)
Italian Somilaland (northern part of modern Somalia)
Dijbouti
Libya
Ethiopia
Quemoy
Madagascar
Rhodes

The Imperium, and for that matter, Montenegro recognize otherwise

This has never been mentioned before, and it was always stated that Montenegro's independence was to be kept.

Massawa (modern Eritrea)
Italian Somilaland (northern part of modern Somalia)
Dijbouti
Libya
Ethiopia
Quemoy
Madagascar
Rhodes

will add that in, also added in the Siamese Empire

This has never been mentioned before, and it was always stated that Montenegro's independence was to be kept.

although Montenegro is technically independent, its foreign policy is completely under the thumb of the AH Empire, so its a client state. Note events in 1915 when it caved in to Austrian pressure and allowed a naval base to be constructed on its territory.

At least this way, as they see it, it keeps some existance, unlike Serbia.

So Austria kept Krakow, and Germany still controls Danzig. Are there any other major territory differences (major cities I'm missing, etc.)?

So Austria kept Krakow, and Germany still controls Danzig. Are there any other major territory differences (major cities I'm missing, etc.)?

no Polish corridor, including Danzig / Gdansk (its still German owned)

Reunion is German, Mauritius is British.

United States Marines continue to occupy Nicaragua in addition to the Dominican Republic and Haiti (both of which were listed). In addition, the United States was sold the Spratley Islands from France in exchange for a small reduction in debt just after the Great War.

So Austria kept Krakow, and Germany still controls Danzig. Are there any other major territory differences (major cities I'm missing, etc.)?
Austria give Krakow to Poland I am 100 percent sure on this.

New Caledonia, as well as the rest of the French Pacific Territories (minus the Spratleys) are British.

Qatar and the Trucial States are also Clients, as is Afghanistan.

Otherwise, I THINK that's everything.

Norway controls Svalbard.

Japan has the mongolian part of manchuria, and all of Sakhalin

Austria ceded Krakow to Poland. The Kingdom of Baghdad is a Russian Client State.

All the SPanish ones are correct, though I consider Ceutra apart of Spanish Morocco, but that's neither here nor there really. It's just a clerical point of no real importance. Though one part of it might change soon.

Novum Elephantum: TG

Could I possibly join this Rp? I don't have too much experience, but I've been watching this RP for a while and you guys definitely know know what you're doing.

As for a country, I'd like Ukraine, (since it's a dominion, and Russia could help me with any problems I run into) but if anyone thinks that's too important, I could take Belguim or something in South America.

Could I possibly join this Rp? I don't have too much experience, but I've been watching this RP for a while and you guys definitely know know what you're doing.

As for a country, I'd like Ukraine, (since it's a dominion, and Russia could help me with any problems I run into) but if anyone thinks that's too important, I could take Belguim or something in South America.

send Parthini a TG with your other nations name (since clearly its not this one), and links to any experience you might have

Okay, I tg'd him, now I assume I wait until he says yes or no, right?

Africa:
South African Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605577#post11605577)

Americas:
American NPC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510830)
Canadian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508437)
Brazilian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497680)

Asia:
Australian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497931)
Japanese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11610260#post11610260)
Imperial China Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509466)
Republican China Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497575)
Siamese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497689)
Turkish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509509)

Europe:
British Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605795)
Bulgarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499121)
Danish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500483)
Dutch Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507043)
The Eastern European Empire Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509818)
French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11632410&posted=1#post11632410)
German Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498396)
Greek Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497750)
Italian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498263)
Norweigean Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500062)
Polish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510438)
Rumanian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605852&posted=1#post11605852)
Russian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606540#post11606540)
Spanish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11596009#post11596009)
Swedish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497597)

Other
IOC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497718)

Defunct Threads:
Ethiopian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606801#post11606801)
Moroccan Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609372#post11609372)
Argentine Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605487#post11605487)
Canadian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605519#post11605519)
Chilean Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499202)
United States Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609243#post11609243)
Ottoman Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605252#post11605252)
Albanian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11650412&posted=1#post11650412)
Austro-Hungarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11637466)
Belgian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613489#post11613489)
Dutch Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11617111#post11617111)
Portuguese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613949#post11613949)
Zionist Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497667)

updated

Cool, thanks for the update. And welcome new one, uhhh it's near the holidays so things may be a little slow. Sorry bout that.

I am considering placing the game on hold for a couple of weeks because of the holidays, with a fast forward.

possible fast forward dates would be 1925 (putting the leading nations at or just about at tech level 5.5, and most other industrial nations at tech level 5)

it has been suggested that 1920 is also a good date, but I don't believe that will be as effective

however, comments are welcome.

The economics and military threads are going to be updated and replaced this week as they are becoming cumbersome.

So the new rules would include the new changes to each country I gather. Alright, is this a retooling or a complete overhaul of the economics thread? I'm just curious how much change there is.

As for the jump forward, we normally jump forward due to wars, but just curious what 1920 wasn't good enough for? Can't comment on it yet.

I am considering placing the game on hold for a couple of weeks because of the holidays, with a fast forward.

possible fast forward dates would be 1925 (putting the leading nations at or just about at tech level 5.5, and most other industrial nations at tech level 5)

it has been suggested that 1920 is also a good date, but I don't believe that will be as effective

however, comments are welcome.

The economics and military threads are going to be updated and replaced this week as they are becoming cumbersome.

I would prefer 1920 if we do fast forward, there is a number of things planned to happen in the early '20s and it would be best if they were not postponed.