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Philanchez has to wait for approval before doing anything like posting threads and stuff.

Plus, I'm a bit skeptical about Philancez as he "left" / MIA from E20 a couple of times previously. How can we be certain that he will stay this time, and not go MIA on us again?

I left last time when that whole schpeel with the third world war happened and everything just became mildly interesting to me. I think this is a chance for a new start. Besides, I FINALLY understand the economics system.

I left last time when that whole schpeel with the third world war happened and everything just became mildly interesting to me. I think this is a chance for a new start. Besides, I FINALLY understand the economics system.

I am inclined to let you have Chile, note that 1909 builds have been handled already, and note some of the long range activities still under way

Ok so I can't do my builds for this year? Just trying to clarify. Also, by long range activities you mean current RP's?

Ok so I can't do my builds for this year? Just trying to clarify. Also, by long range activities you mean current RP's?

see this post
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11729918&postcount=12

note 1909 builds have already been done

you can do 1910 builds, as 1910 starts on Tuesday Oct 3

So my friend Champren revived his nation and wants to play again. His preference is the Netherlands but if you all would rather him be something else I (and he :p) can live with it. His reason for stopping was that his nation got deleted over the summer and he didn't know how to revive it.

Just wondering if the person maintaining the list of nations could add the DANISH (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500483) N/D Thread as well as update Albania's and if the Persian one exists the Persian one too.

Just wondering if the person maintaining the list of nations could add the DANISH (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500483) N/D Thread as well as update Albania's and if the Persian one exists the Persian one too.

I second this statment.

Parthini;11745239']So my friend Champren revived his nation and wants to play again. His preference is the Netherlands but if you all would rather him be something else I (and he :p) can live with it. His reason for stopping was that his nation got deleted over the summer and he didn't know how to revive it.

sure, but I have to catch up the builds for the Dutch and Belgians first

Wait isn't SHarina in charge of CHile?

Sharina's getting Argentina

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11740619&postcount=493

Oh I missed that.

Will be gone part of saturday and sunday, so GB just go ahead with my stuff and I'll find out about it sunday afternoon

Also, will a mod have to roll for the High Treason Incident, or will we just go with historical accuracy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Treason_Incident

Long-overdue link for the new French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500187).

before doing your 1910 builds

major rule change, brought on as Middle Snu pointed out a major flaw (thanks by the way)

Growth is based on income remaining AFTER paying your military and social service maintenance budgets for the year.

So for example, if a country has 100 points, and spends 70 to maintain its huge army and social services, then only 30 points are used to determined growth

which means for example, at cut spending, 5% growth creates 1.5 production centers for the next year (or 3 in 2 years)

incidently, hold off on TGs to me until late Monday as I am still resolving China and have other things to do as well and my box is almost full

Antartic Expeditions

Because they are getting quite important and they fall within my field of responsibility (according to front page).

A brief history of Antarctic Exploration up until now:

150AD Ptolemy (Egyptian/Greek) notes the existence of a large Terra Incognita Australis on his collection of maps
1739 Jean-Baptiste Charles Bouvet de Lozier (French) discovers Bouvet Island
1771 – 1772 First French Antarctic Expedition led by Yves-Joseph de Kerguelen-Trémarec (French) discovers Kerguelen Islands
1775 James Cook (British) sails HMS Resolution and is the frst person to cross the Antarctic Circle
1819 William Smith (British) discovers South Shetland Islands
1819 - 1821 Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen (Russian) discovers Antarctic mainland
1830 – 1832 Southern Ocean Expedition (British) sights Enderby Land and Adelaide Island
1837 – 1840 Second French Antarctic Expedition led by Jules Dumont d'Urville (French) discovers Adelie Land
1838 - 1839 John Balleny (British) discovers Balleny Islands
1839 - 1843 James Clark Ross (British) discoversthe Ross Ice Shelf, Ross Sea, Mount Erebus, Mount Terror and Victoria Land
1893 - 1895 Henryk Bull (Norwegian/Australian) sets foot on Antarctica at Cape Adare
1897 – 1899 First Belgian Antarctic Expedition, it is poorly equipped and suffers in the harsh climate
1901 – 1904 Discovery Expedition - led by Robert Falcon Scott,and Ernest Shackleton (British) reach further South and inland than anyone before them
1901 – 1903 First German Antarctic Expedition - led by Erich von Drygalski
1901 – 1904 Swedish Antarctic Expedition – led by Otto Nordenskiöld
1902 – 1904 Scottish National Antarctic Expedition – led by William Speirs Bruce
1903 – 1905 Third French Antarctic Expedition – led by Jean-Baptiste Charcot
1907 - 1909 Nimrod Expedition – Ernest Shackleton reached the South Magnetic Pole
1908 - 1910 Fourth French Antarctic Expedition – led by Jean-Baptiste Charcot

The following expeditions are planned for over the next few years:

1910 – 1912 Roald Amundsen (Norwegian)
1910 – 1913 Terra Nova Expedition - Robert Falcon Scott (British)
1911 – 1913 Second German Antarctic Expedition - led by Wilhelm Filchner
1911 – 1914 Australasian Antarctic Expedition – led by Douglas Mawson
1914 – 1916 Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition – led by Ernest Shackleton (British)
1914 – 1917 Ross Sea Party – led by A.L.A. Mackintosh (British)

I will randomly roll for the results of the already planned expeditions when the time comes, the only ones planned are those listed above. If anyone wants to send more expeditions then for perhaps 0.5 points they can dispatch an expedition and I will record it and roll for it. No more than one every two years for the time being though, apart from the British who can send an additional one from any chosen Imperial dominion as well, reference Imperial expeditions, Australian expeditions etc.

I will create a thread for this now actually as well as for Arctic expeditions which will be run on the same lines and provide info on the results of expeditions as they return home.

Polar Exploration Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501795) Still a work in progress at the moment. I just need to get the Arctic expeditions up and we're all set.

Ok so in what remains. Alright I can decide on that then. Will change, though that doesn't mean the past stuff right? I mean we don't have to go back to 1906 and change it do we?

Ok so in what remains. Alright I can decide on that then. Will change, though that doesn't mean the past stuff right? I mean we don't have to go back to 1906 and change it do we?

try to be a little more clear as to what you are refering to

New economic rule goes into effect 1910, but you do not have to go back and fix previous builds or growth

OOC: I apologize for my complete lack of activity over the weekend. It seems my internet connection decided to take a vacation on Saturday and Sunday, and only just now has it been restored.

Once I read up on these new economic rules you speak of, I shall have my budget ready for 1910, along with any other IC ideas I can think of.

Netherlands, Persia and Belgium returned to NPC status due to player inactivity

Bolsheviks added as a PC possibility (but only experienced players for that one as that player might get Russia at some point)

Netherlands, Persia and Belgium returned to NPC status due to player inactivity

Bolsheviks added as a PC possibility (but only experienced players for that one as that player might get Russia at some point)

NEVER!

Alright, now I know. By the way everyone else is handling their assasination attempts themselves. I am just curious aobut the rules on that?

Haha Bolsheviks. One day. One day. Russia.

Serious computer problems (had a virus and had to do a complete reinstall.. sigh) have delayed things a bit, but March April is still on schedule

GB, you have a tg momentarily. Please respond.

EDIT: Kilani puppet.

Been troubled to get on the forums lately, I hope it doesn't contintiue.

time is slowing due to a major war that is about to start, or at least a major crisis

GB, you have an urgent TG and an e-mail to ensure that you recieve the message.

time is slowing due to a major war that is about to start, or at least a major crisis

How much is time slowing, what will be the new schedule?

What major war or crisis? OOH gotta look. If it's in China then it doesn't concern me. If it spreads to Europe then it does.

lol.. apparently another false alarm

I will catch China up tomorrow

We get alot of those it seems. No one wants to go to war it seems.

Sorry for my absence on Tuesday and Wednesday guys. There's a lot to get through on the first week of proper University lectures. I should get much more time to post things from tomorrow when I have more free time. For now though I have a Civil Engineering Society meeting to go to.

I'll get something posted tomorrow, honest!

wow Civil Engineering, that's hard core.

Is it 1910 in game? I have a tough time remembering...

Is it 1910 in game? I have a tough time remembering...

yes, 1910

Is it 1910 in game? I have a tough time remembering...

it is 1910, 1911 starting officially Tuesday

I gather the time slowing is cancelled.

it is 1910, 1911 starting officially Tuesday

Did we change the time schedule? I could have swore new years started on Mondays while Sundays were our off-days...

Monday's is for book keeping and nnouncements, it's on GB's second post, near the top of this thread

Sharina, whenever you get on, please address my post in your news thread.

I will be out of town from tomorrow afternoon until Monday, so I will try to have a preliminary 1911 build up sometime before I leave.

For people interested in inviting me onto Chatzy, my email address is bazag@hotmail.com

Yeah I am probably off this weekend too. So will do my builds today for 1911.

I'm going to New Orleans this weekend and will be without computer access as well--I will try to get builds up before I leave and resolve more of Roosevelt's tour, but no promises I'm afraid.

Sorry guys, it looks like I may have to pull out of this RP. The workload I have prohibits too much free time and I obviously have to put the work before E20. In order to do that the time I spend here will have to be significantly reduced so I will have to resign from being assistant moderator. I will still be around just not as often as I used to be, perhaps checking in once or twice a week to see how you are getting on and to offer advice where needed perhaps as an occasional moderator!

Well I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here as a player and mod and I hope to continue to do so in the future, just not on such a frequent basis. Thanks for everything guys, I know this RP will continue from strength to strength.

THat sucks, but we hope you are succesful.

Sorry guys, it looks like I may have to pull out of this RP. The workload I have prohibits too much free time and I obviously have to put the work before E20. In order to do that the time I spend here will have to be significantly reduced so I will have to resign from being assistant moderator. I will still be around just not as often as I used to be, perhaps checking in once or twice a week to see how you are getting on and to offer advice where needed perhaps as an occasional moderator!

Well I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here as a player and mod and I hope to continue to do so in the future, just not on such a frequent basis. Thanks for everything guys, I know this RP will continue from strength to strength.

damn

I will miss you though

Sorry guys, it looks like I may have to pull out of this RP. The workload I have prohibits too much free time and I obviously have to put the work before E20. In order to do that the time I spend here will have to be significantly reduced so I will have to resign from being assistant moderator. I will still be around just not as often as I used to be, perhaps checking in once or twice a week to see how you are getting on and to offer advice where needed perhaps as an occasional moderator!

Well I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here as a player and mod and I hope to continue to do so in the future, just not on such a frequent basis. Thanks for everything guys, I know this RP will continue from strength to strength.

Shiznat. Well, best of luck to you.

I'll be gone myself for this weekend, and won't be back until Monday. For everyone that is involved in discussions/talks with France (USA, RoC, Spain, etc) just cite fluid time and I'll wrap everything up once I get back.

Alright we'll call it that then.

Gak! I need the Norwegian thread link to be able to finish Roosevelt's tour!

As posted earlier, I am going to be AWOL until Sunday night--I'll wrap everything up then I suppose....

Gak! I need the Norwegian thread link to be able to finish Roosevelt's tour!

As posted earlier, I am going to be AWOL until Sunday night--I'll wrap everything up then I suppose....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500062 <-- Norwegian Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500062 <-- Norwegian Thread

'preciate it. Tour wrapping up there now.

Made a map of the world.

Comments?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/germanye20/E201910.png

your map is wrong, I own french somiliand.

your map is wrong, I own french somiliand.

Uhh... it says you own French Somaliland...

Albania's been left off the world map.

Anyways, can you invade and intertake in dimplomacy with NPCs?

Albania's been left off the world map.

Anyways, can you invade and intertake in dimplomacy with NPCs?

Albania is that thing below Montenegro and north of Greece.

Anyways, can you invade and intertake in dimplomacy with NPCs?

Yes.

Oh...I thought you colored every active nation, you only colored the nations with overseas possesions though...Sorry.

Albania's been left off the world map.

Anyways, can you invade and intertake in dimplomacy with NPCs?

I handle their reactions

I just telegrammed Galveston Bay about Middle Snu offering to help do my builds, but maybe MS was a little busy or something...

I have some questions.

1.) If so felt, could we create an international organisation such as the UN? It would probaly be of a diffrent titel, but could the players take that intitive?

Also, there is no treaty, currently in game, that defines dimplomacy and dimplomats, what are the current rules of dimplomacy? As in, during the early 1900s were domplomats granted immunity, etc, etc.

Also, could we set forth our own treaty governing dimplomacy?

Also, there is no treaty, currently in game, that defines dimplomacy and dimplomats, what are the current rules of dimplomacy? As in, during the early 1900s were domplomats granted immunity, etc, etc.

Also, could we set forth our own treaty governing dimplomacy?

real life rules... diplomats have immunity, its assumed there are the usual embassies unless otherwise indicated, and the League of Nations has not been proposed.

E20 wiki anyone?

E20 wiki anyone?

I was thinking that.

real life rules... diplomats have immunity, its assumed there are the usual embassies unless otherwise indicated, and the League of Nations has not been proposed.

But, were not using the Vienna Convention treaties or anything?

E20 wiki anyone?

not a bad idea... I appoint Amestria to the task (evil grin)

not a bad idea... I appoint Amestria to the task (evil grin)

Glad its not me =P

But, were not using the Vienna Convention treaties or anything?
Well, no, since those were made in the 60's at the height of the Cold War.


We have Geneva Nuymber 1, Convention on metrics, the Paris Convention, the Berne Convention, The Hague Conventions, the Second Geneva Convention, and that's it as far as sweeping international agreements. Anything else is nonexistant and thus no League of Nations, etc...

Well, no, since those were made in the 60's at the height of the Cold War.


We have Geneva Nuymber 1, Convention on metrics, the Paris Convention, the Berne Convention, The Hague Conventions, the Second Geneva Convention, and that's it as far as sweeping international agreements. Anything else is nonexistant and thus no League of Nations, etc...

I understand that they werent until the 60s, but GB said Real-Life rules so I though maybe he forwarded them. And on the international organisation I said if we as players could create one, not if there was one. :)

Parthini;11776769']Made a map of the world.

Comments?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h151/germanye20/E201910.png

Hey Parth, Bulgaria owns Dobrudja, meaning Rumania has no access to the sea; Dobrudja: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Dobrogea-cadrilater.png

EDIT: You also forgot about German Morocco

There is currently no real laws which support diplomatic immunity, though the UK, Austria (and Hungary), Prussia, Hanover, Bavaria and Wurttemberg (now Germany), France, Russia, Spain, Sweden and Portugal are held to do so by the 1815 Treaty of Vienna. All other nations are not technically bound to do so but unwritten international law means that all will respect diplomatic immunity or else face the scorn of the world.

Though when the Bulgarian king was kidnapped and the diplomatic staff were detained in Rumania during the Balkan War I found international response to be a bit lackluster.

Aren't there also International laws saying that you can't initiate aggressions till you have announced a formal declaration of war?

Text of international conventions:

Declaration of Paris (1856) (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/decparis.htm)

Outlaws privateering, outlaws inefficient blockades (ie those which harm civilians but not militaries), safeguards neutral goods.

Declaration of St. Petersburg (1868) (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/decpeter.htm)

Outlaws explosive and flammable bullets,
Convention for the Exemption of Hospital Ships, in Time of War, From the Payment of All Duties and Taxes Imposed for the Benefit of the State (1904) (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/lawwar_001.htm)

Hospital ships are exempt from taxation in times of war,

Hague Conference (1899)

Sets down rules for peace conferences, gives militia and volunteers who openly arry weapons and have a recognisable emblem the same protection as regulars, protects the rights and duties of prisoners of war, resticts use of poison, outlaws the declaration that no quarter will be given, outlaws improper use of enemy uniforms or the flag of truce, outlaws unecessary siezure of civilian property, defines espionage and the rights of spies to a fair trial, protects occupied countries, protects hospital ships, prohibits projectiles which diffuse asphyxiating or deleterious gases, prohibits bullets which expand or flatten inside the human body

Hague Conference (1907)

Further laws for peace conferences, prohibits use of force to reclaim national debts, states that a formal declaration of war must be made prior to any attacks, protects neutral powers, prohibits recruitment within neutral countries, allows merchant vessels to travel freely at the outbreak of war until they reach their port of destination, prohibits unanachored mines or mines who continue to function if they should become unanchored, prohibits the use of mines for the sole purpose of destroying merhcant vessels, prohibits naval bombardment of civilians without sufficient warning, prohibits interception of postal material at sea, protects fishing, religious, humanitarian and scientific vessels from capture,


Genea Convention (1864) (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva04.htm)

Protects military hospitals and ambulances, protcts wounded combatants,

Hey...

Just interested but...

Would it be possible if...

I could be the Bolshevik Party? I have an idea...

If not, I'll be Peru or Belgium or Netherlands.

Not sure where to 'claim', exactly.

Hey...

Just interested but...

Would it be possible if...

I could be the Bolshevik Party? I have an idea...

If not, I'll be Peru or Belgium or Netherlands.

Not sure where to 'claim', exactly.

Peru, Belgium or Netherlands yes.. but not Bolsheviks.. thats reserved for one of the players who was in the last RP that I know (preferably someone who had to suffer a lot last game..lol)

Can I be the Islamic Republic of Free Persia? It looks like from the major events map that they only control the southern part of Persia so what would my economy and military be like, as currently there are only stats for the Qajar Persian Empire?

Can I be the Islamic Republic of Free Persia? It looks like from the major events map that they only control the southern part of Persia so what would my economy and military be like, as currently there are only stats for the Qajar Persian Empire?

Persia is not available for play at the moment as it has been divided up at this point (I will fix the first page today)

But the stats were provided in the economic thread for the Russians and British to have

lol. France, Spain and Germany violated all those doctrines of 1907 in 1906. I wonder if we had anything to do with those laws being made. Lol. Just something I noticed. Soooooo that's about it.

Just a heads up. I will be at a conference in Washington, D.C. starting Sunday and will not be able to post untill the following Sunday.

Persia is not available for play at the moment as it has been divided up at this point (I will fix the first page today)

But the stats were provided in the economic thread for the Russians and British to have
Can I be Peru?

Belgium, the Netherlands, Peru, and South Africa are avaliable right now.

I need all PC countries, but particularly Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Austria Hungary, all of the Balkans, Ottoman Empire, British Empire, and and Japan and Nationalist China to post in their national threads their current 1911 armed forces, and importantly, where those forces are in this format

example
Germany
Berlin - 1 Guards Infantry corps, 2 reserve infantry corps

Japan
Southern Fleet (based at Formosa)
BB Mikasa, 1 destroyer flotilla

it would make life much easier for me, and things may be happening in the near future

Does anyone know what Peru's food production is? I wasn't able to find it in the economic thread. Also does Peru have any fortresses or Naval Bases/Major Ports?

Does anyone know what Peru's food production is? I wasn't able to find it in the economic thread.


its 5, forgot to add that in, but have fixed it

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11789794#post11789794) is Peru's thread. Though I still need info about fortresses and Naval Bases/Major Ports. Also I have noticed that Peru's 1911 builds were already put up, can I change those or do they stay that way until 1912? And I am assuming that Peru has a market economy? One more question, how long has Peru been at tech level 4?

Welcome as Peru.

military deplyoments listed in my factbook

I put them as my regular stuff on the first page. Sooo uhhh that's about it.

My military deployments are listed, but do you really need mine? :)

I am rather low on the power scale.

Galveston, TG.

A little bit limited in my avaliable time for the next few days. Tests and essays and all sort of college horrors are managing to come together all at once. I really apologize to any and all players affected by this, and I will attempt to make posts and update economics/military as things allow.

eh...

I'll be the Netherlands...

You could be Serbia, that'll be much more interesting.

My military deployments are listed, but do you really need mine? :)

I am rather low on the power scale.

your probably fine

Can I be Peru?

yes

Whats going on in the Balkans? I'm looking for an interesting thing, Serbia could be fun.

eh...

I'll be the Netherlands...

TG Sharina, provide some links to RPs you have been in

if approved, you may start as the Netherlands beginning in 1912 (next week)

read the economics, military and major events threads (links found on the first page of this thread)

Would off-site RPGs suffice as well? And writing materlal?

<--Writes.

And yea, I would like the Netherlands instead of Serbia. Yargh.

Would off-site RPGs suffice as well? And writing materlal?

<--Writes.

And yea, I would like the Netherlands instead of Serbia. Yargh.

offsite is fine as long as links are provided

I gather Spain didn't need to do it either, and now we are changing back. ALright... uhhh k.

How is war waged? Not that I plan too, just for future reference

You send war plans to Galveston (for instance; In May, I'll use my shipping units to send 3 Light Infantry Divisions and a Supply Unit from Porto Alegre to invade Buenos Aires using Amphibious Doctrines learned by Brazilian spies in America). The next day or whatever turn you ordered your units to move, Galveston will post what actually happened (such as; Brazilian forces use shipping vessels taken from civilians to launch an invasion of Buenos Aires. Argentine forces managed to fight off the invaders but Brazilian forces have taken control of the countryside around the city while the Brazilian Navy blockades the city.) Galveston uses secret rules and dice rolls to decide how battles play out. If events happen that you didn't plan (like Argentina might not have been expecting an invasion by sea) then GB has your forces do the most realistic action (The Argentine forces in Buenos Aires protect the city even though they weren't ordered to). It's not that complicated and I'm sure GB or a war mod will help you out if you're in your first war.

The Xinhai Revolution occurs in China 'next year'.
Could I play as Imperial China, then RP the revolution when it takes place, as a 'smooth transition' into the Republic of China (with a few differences, of course)?

The Xinhai Revolution occurs in China 'next year'.
Could I play as Imperial China, then RP the revolution when it takes place, as a 'smooth transition' into the Republic of China (with a few differences, of course)?

There has been quite a few changes in China and the Qing dynasty no longer exists. The RoC already exists in the South and the Imperial cause is still alive and well in the North.

Imperial China is a very important country and thus is not likely to go to a first time player.

There has been quite a few changes in China and the Qing dynasty no longer exists. The RoC already exists in the South and the Imperial cause is still alive and well in the North.

Imperial China is a very important country and thus is not likely to go to a first time player.


correct, at the moment we have 2 China's ... and Imperial government in the north, a KMT government in the south and west, plus various portions ripped away from China by Japan, Italy, Germany, France, and Britian

NPC Imperial China is only going to be given to an experienced player because of the complexity of the role, and the critical importance to future events

due to the fact that a major war is starting, time is being slowed

tomorrow and friday will be May
saturday and sunday will be June
monday and tuesday will be July
wednesday thursday August
friday - September
saturday - october
sunday - nov / dec

this will give me time to get orders, deal with fighting in the big war, and still handle other things around the world

1912 will have a modified schedule as well

Just a heads up. I will be at a conference in Washington, D.C. starting Sunday and will not be able to post untill the following Sunday.

Just so everyone knows.

This is a sample of one of my posts on a Alternate-WWII Forum.

La Marshall's hat sat on his desk as the actual Marshall himself walked back and forth infront of a window, rubbing his temples. He kept scanning outside of the window, looking at the broad-shouldered Frenchmen that guarded the gates to his quarters. This is where he controlled Vichy France from, a small contained office which represented the repressiveness of this man's mind. He continued to rub at his temples until an aid knocked on the door. She was, perhaps, the only person that kept him sane around here. It was a surprised he hadn't had an affair with her yet.

"Yes?" La Marshall said. The Aid shuffled in with a bunch of papers, her face appearing red. "What is it, Sophie?" He asked, calmly. "La Marshall, I have brought you a report from Africa. It seems as if there has been an uncertainty with the Moslems in Algeria, they seem to be working with British Intelligence. It seems that they may be plotting a Revolution." She said, antsy. Pétain sighed, returning to his temples. He looked around his room, and sighed again. "So, I take it the General wants more troops?" He said, and Sophie sighed. It was obvious the answer was yes, and so he spoke up before she could formulate a response.

"Sophie, I need your help with something. I need you to set up a meeting with Hitler, I think it's time me and the..." he paused, trying not to curse... "I just need to speak with this...Fuhrer." He finished, and she nodded but spoke up again. "La Marshall, when would you like me to schedule this?" She asked. Pétain stopped rubbing his temples, and gave her eye contact for the first time. "Tell him that I will be in Marseilles. I'm sure he'll be interested, tell him it is of utmost importance." He finished, knowing that Hitler would later look at this request and scoff at the words 'Utmost Importance'. He sighed lightly, and his aid left the room.

"God damn...what has this world come to?" he said to himself, rubbing at his temples again.

Pretty good RP, Pyschotika. Better than 99% of the NS players.

the balloon goes up tomorrow

The Great Eastern War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11801233&posted=1#post11801233

Pretty good RP, Pyschotika. Better than 99% of the NS players.

0o really?

I keep getting that, :-P. Especially from my story I need to start working on...again...for...the...8th...time...

Writing a book is a bitch!

Anyways, :-D so I take it I should be getting my Information together for the Netherlands?

Short and sweet:

Stupid Freshmen caught looking at porn. School turned off internet except at certain times. Not much access. Sorry.

Wow....

This is why 'Freshmen' should be forced to stay in Middle School...

*I r a Jooooneor*

Yes they shouldn't be allowed to touch a computer.

LOLLERSKATES
your school sucks. any proper school would have blocked it.

Parthini;11802247']Short and sweet:

Stupid Freshmen caught looking at porn. School turned off internet except at certain times. Not much access. Sorry.

I'm shocked such behavior goes on these days! What a moral outrage

LOLLERSKATES
your school sucks. any proper school would have blocked it.

Yeah, no shit. I'm at a mall on a computer at a store lol.

They do block it but Freshmen are dumb.

BTW, can someone put the Chatzy link somewhere on here so I can access it on other computers?

I never have time for Chatzy, sorry.

And recommendations for a nation to start as? I'm interested in the Bolsheviks, but unaware of Russia's exact political status. The Czar was blown up, right?

And recommendations for a nation to start as? I'm interested in the Bolsheviks, but unaware of Russia's exact political status. The Czar was blown up, right?

Russia's commies are probably waiting until the war drags on for a while before they do anything important.

I might suggest start out as perhaps The Free Islamic Republic of Persia or South Africa, so you can adapt to the game and your ruler (Parthini) can direct you a bit.

Belgium is another good choice

Also the Bolsheviks are not open to anyone execept seasoned players.

I've read a few of the threads, and noticed a resource point system and such. Is there a thread that explains how to do this, or is it at the beginning of this thread and I'm wasting time typing this when I could just look?
Also, I wouldn't want to bug Parthini and make him have to teach me how to play.

It's at the beginning of this thread that has links to the point system.

I've read a few of the threads, and noticed a resource point system and such. Is there a thread that explains how to do this, or is it at the beginning of this thread and I'm wasting time typing this when I could just look?
Also, I wouldn't want to bug Parthini and make him have to teach me how to play.

Belgium's probably a good choice then, make sure to get approval, look at the first page under economic rules thread, most is explained and I'm on a bit to answer your questions

Ok. I think I'll be the Kingdom of Beligum. Give me some time to go through the economic things. I'll make my first official post tomorrow sometime, once I have things sorted out.

GB, do you want non-combatant nations close to the fighting (France, Japan, Ottomans, etc.) to post economic stuf in the 2 month frames?

0o really?

I keep getting that, :-P. Especially from my story I need to start working on...again...for...the...8th...time...

Writing a book is a bitch!

Anyways, :-D so I take it I should be getting my Information together for the Netherlands?

you are ok for the Netherlands.. review economics thread, notice about the 4th post that 1911 builds for Netherlands have already been done

you can do 1912 builds

Ok. I think I'll be the Kingdom of Beligum. Give me some time to go through the economic things. I'll make my first official post tomorrow sometime, once I have things sorted out.

you have tentative approval to play Belgium

review economic posts, notice 4th post has Belgiums 1911 builds already done

get help from Parthini with 1912 builds

read major events thread

GB, do you want non-combatant nations close to the fighting (France, Japan, Ottomans, etc.) to post economic stuf in the 2 month frames?

no, you guys can stick to annual unless you got to national effort, in which case those extra points (which remember are prorated) are spent bimonthly for 1911

no, you guys can stick to annual unless you got to national effort, in which case those extra points (which remember are prorated) are spent bimonthly for 1911

ok, when I go to National Effort in 1912 I'll do that

GB, I've sent you an email.

Hey, anyone wanna help me get some things together for my FB?

you have tentative approval to play Belgium

review economic posts, notice 4th post has Belgiums 1911 builds already done

get help from Parthini with 1912 builds

read major events thread

So you still end up bothering me :p

TG me (Parthini, not [NS]Parthini) and I can help you get situated since its kind of my duty to keep you alive and all.

Also, if you have AIM that will help a lot.

Wait, national effort? Is Japan thinking of going to war too? Wow we might have this spread slowly like a disease.

Oh by the way, I was thinking of refugees. WHere would RUssian refugees go to anyways? I mean sure go deeper into Russia, but eventually some would try and go to neighboring nations. But most of the neighboring nations are at war with Russia. SO that wouldn't work. So where would they go?

Sorry I've been away yesterday and today, no internet. I'll be without internet in a bit again, and wont have it until tomorrow eveing. Sorry, no time torespond to anything.

Sorry I haven't posted in the last few days, but I've had been ill since tuesday, and not been able to make it on the net. Am mostly fine now, so I'm taking a look at what's been happening.

Wait, national effort? Is Japan thinking of going to war too? Wow we might have this spread slowly like a disease.

Oh by the way, I was thinking of refugees. WHere would RUssian refugees go to anyways? I mean sure go deeper into Russia, but eventually some would try and go to neighboring nations. But most of the neighboring nations are at war with Russia. SO that wouldn't work. So where would they go?

National Effort doesn't necessarily mean war. I have a depression until 1913, therefore it's not worth it for me to go on cut spending or normal mode because I get no growth. You'll notice Italy is at Cut Spending and not at war

Russian refugees probably have little way to get out of the country (rails and roads taken for military uses) and most can't afford to go on ships out of the country

Wait, national effort? Is Japan thinking of going to war too? Wow we might have this spread slowly like a disease.

Oh by the way, I was thinking of refugees. WHere would RUssian refugees go to anyways? I mean sure go deeper into Russia, but eventually some would try and go to neighboring nations. But most of the neighboring nations are at war with Russia. SO that wouldn't work. So where would they go?


Some could probably go to Rumania, which still borders Russia, and is neutral.

Wait, national effort? Is Japan thinking of going to war too? Wow we might have this spread slowly like a disease.

Oh by the way, I was thinking of refugees. WHere would RUssian refugees go to anyways? I mean sure go deeper into Russia, but eventually some would try and go to neighboring nations. But most of the neighboring nations are at war with Russia. SO that wouldn't work. So where would they go?

No significant refugees yet, except from Warsaw. These are the days before bombers and widespread destruction of civilian targets as an acceptable. So for now, most people are sitting in their homes watching the armies go by

This changes soon though

Yeah once the RUssians get a good sized army dug in, in front of the Germans. Slow mobilization, but RUssia can be a juggernaught once it's mobilization gets there. UNfortunitly Russia can't do what France and Italy can do. Dig in and simply let the Germans bash their heads against trenches. Too much land. ANd no nice large mountain range like Italy to fight in.

What's the timescale?

I believe every day is a month.

So what month are we on now?

So what month are we on now?

due to the fact that a major war is starting, time is being slowed

tomorrow and friday will be May
saturday and sunday will be June
monday and tuesday will be July
wednesday thursday August
friday - September
saturday - october
sunday - nov / dec

this will give me time to get orders, deal with fighting in the big war, and still handle other things around the world

1912 will have a modified schedule as well

So we are currently on July.

Fair enough. I'll have to sit this out for a bit.

Can't find my factbook!!!

I should have book marked it...it isn't on the search...

NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Can't find my factbook!!!

I should have book marked it...it isn't on the search...

NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503240

There you go.

Most information regarding rules will be found eithe offsite
(link to be provided)

or in other threads in Jolt
Each PC nation should construct a primary thread. The first post should be there basic information, second post their economic builds for each year (continually updated) and third post their military forces and deployments (some nations might need a post eventually for their naval, air and ground forces)

THREADS to be added as they are provided
The Great Eastern War 1911 -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11801233&posted=1#post11801233

Oslo conference (attempt to prevent Great War)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500097

The Great War Scare of 1908
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11697657&posted=1#post11697657

Balkan Wars
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11682119#post11682119

Banana Wars (Caribbean and Central American issues)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672396&posted=1#post11672396

NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672295#post11672295

Major events
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11642926&posted=1#post11642926

Economics thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1

military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

Algeciras Conference on Morocco
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609521#post11609521

2nd Ethiopian Italian War 1906-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11656630&posted=1#post11656630

Conquest of Morocco 1906
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498705

China (NPC Imperial China)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672409&posted=1#post11672409

Divided China
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11718108&posted=1#post11718108

a handly list of national threads
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11662955&postcount=231

Argentine Civil War and Argentinia 1911
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500463

apparently Sharina is no longer an active player

Argentina is now a referee controlled NPC for the duration of its civil war and the post civil war period.

apparently Sharina is no longer an active player

Argentina is now a referee controlled NPC for the duration of its civil war and the post civil war period.

Sharina quit and announced it on chatzy several days ago I believe

yo, I need the E20 chatzy link

http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

Just a reminder to you all that I am actually still alive (at least some of you must have been wondering!). Pretty much for the entirity of the past one and a half weeks I have spent around 15 hours of each day asleep presenting a fever and flu-like symptoms. Its a pretty common thing on campus that happens every year and is known as "Fresher's Flu" on account that it travels fastest through large first year lectures and the high concentrations of people in halls of residence

The famed British architect Sir Norman Foster built my hall and he obviously wasn't as good at this as he was at the giant Millau Bridge in France, the rooms all face onto a central corridor in a figure of eight shape with quadrangles in the middle making it very confined and poor for noise containment and evidently the "flu". It has some of the smallest (and most) rooms at the university and also commands the highest rents, being fully en suite, still enough about good old Norman Foster and back to e20.

I have been checking progress when I have been conscious, particularly the Great Eastern War and the various smaller wars in South and Central America, though I havent very regularly signed in for many sessions as it is easier to just read without signing in. I will probably post something from the Red Cross organisations about the massive numbers of casualties in a minute just for some background.

I am just about getting over the flu and may even be able to eat something solid in a minute (my throat is red raw) and i have been surviving on yoghurts and milky tea. I expect to be able to post something more substantial tomorrow and perhaps even relating directly to the game. Until then I will make a quick psot regarding the Red Cross societies and go get some food.

Cheers

LR

Red Cross Post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11834918&postcount=87)

Glad you got over your flu though. Or are getting over it.

today, October 20, will be September / October 1911

Saturday will be November / December 1911

Tuesday will be January / February 1912

this gives everyone Sunday and Monday to plan and do their builds and budgets

1912 schedule as follows:
Oct 24 January / February 1912
Oct 25 March 1912
Oct 26 - 27 April 1912
Oct 28 - 29 May 1912
Oct 30 - November 1 June 1912 (I will be busy Halloween)
Nov 2 - 4 July / August 1912
Nov 5 September / October 1912
Nov 6 November / December 1912
Nov 7 - 8 Builds

This takes us a little off track, but a busy holiday for me is part of the reason

note that summer turns are when the most action occurs, as weather is a critical factor in warfare, especially with the wars we are simulating at this time.

Alright then. I see the schedule, I'll uh delete my other post then. Sooo since I don't plan to do anything at the moment and I might not be on Saturday and Sunday. I am going to do my builds now. Mostly because of the whole, my Saturdays and Sundays are busy.

special economic rules for the current wartime period

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1

GB, you have a TG.
Also, how long does it take to produce ground units, there's no length marked.

GB, you have a TG.
Also, how long does it take to produce ground units, there's no length marked.

most units are posted, except for marine units.

Also, is a static Infantry Corp the same as a Regular Infantry Corp in terms of combat ratings?

And what is the combat rating of a Motorized Infantrt Brigade?

I think you mean only the construction lengths of the marine units are posted.

I think you mean only the construction lengths of the marine units are posted.

if marijne units count as Light Infantry Units, then yes, but last I checked Marine units weren't posted for either combat or build time

I see no mention of construction time for anything other than boats here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

Ummmm go here.

tech level 5, with some new units
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...99&postcount=3

Ummmm go here.

tech level 5, with some new units
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...99&postcount=3

Link's broken.

Link doesn't work.

Oh for the love of.... Go to the Military Thread. RIght under all the naval builds, before you get to the airplanes. There is the link with that title above it.

it's on the first page of the Eastern War thread

Out of the loop for the weekend again. I expect nothing too terribly "OMG what the hell??" will happen to the United States.

Please....?

Out of the loop for the weekend again. I expect nothing too terribly "OMG what the hell??" will happen to the United States.

Please....?

*OMFG invades the United States*

Would anyone know if it's possible for Emperor Meiji to die earlier (say January 1912) as a result of the extra war and the depression in Japan, or was he pretty much strong until the end?

Would anyone know if it's possible for Emperor Meiji to die earlier (say January 1912) as a result of the extra war and the depression in Japan, or was he pretty much strong until the end?

I know there was some leaway given in the past, I killed of Emperor Franz Joseph in '05 (or there about) which is at least a decade earlier than in RL. I can't imagine the rules would change but you can wait for a mod if your that worried :)

posted Meiji's death in major events and my factbook, if anyone cares to offer some correction, feel free

Can anyone do a map of Russia and the battlelines so we can see where exactly everyone is? the WiF maps are helpful, but they are partly in the future, and somewhat confusing as (I at least) can't put the units on a map itself to really tell where everyone is. This also makes it easier for GB to ascertain food and resources lost

been busy all day with family, will hopefully be able to post tomorrow (more family stuff tomorrow too... wifes family reunion and a lot of relatives are over)

if not, will catch up on Monday

ALLAH BE PRAISED!

Hello, all! Remember me, your mentally-challenged 14 year old who ran a country of 500 million people into the ground?

After months of effort, I have finally been able to acess the forums. This was a long and arduous journey, but thankfully, it has been successfull. I am now ready to re-join the ranks of the E20 RPers!

Now....

What countries are there for me to dest-- I mean play as? If I can, I'd like to resume playing as Suid-Afrika

It's good to know that you are back.

By the way, how many men does an air unit take up of your military?

Because Jolt was down for 2 days and I also was busy

revised

CURRENT SPECIAL TIMELINE

October 20, will be September / October 1911

Monday October 23 will be November / December 1911

Wednesday will be January / February 1912

1912 schedule as follows:
Oct 25 January / February 1912
Oct 26 March 1912
Oct 27 - 28 April 1912
Oct 29 - 30 May 1912
Oct 31 - November 1 June 1912 (I will be busy Halloween)
Nov 2 - 4 July / August 1912
Nov 5 September / October 1912
Nov 6 November / December 1912
Nov 7 - 8 Builds

This takes us a little off track, but a busy holiday for me is part of the reason

note that summer turns are when the most action occurs, as weather is a critical factor in warfare, especially with the wars we are simulating at this time.

Normally, Each week is one year.

Each RL week represents one E20 game year, divided into "Game Turns" as follows. Years can also be divided up into turns (variable length of 1 or 2 months) and those turns can also sometimes have subdivisions as well

Monday -- bookkeeping and general announcements
Tuesday - January / February
Wednesday - March / April
Thursday - May / June
Friday - July / August
Saturday - September / October
Sunday - November / December

By the way, how many men does an air unit take up of your military?

rule now posted
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621365&postcount=4

HOLY SHIAT!!! 20,000. WHEW!!! I gather thats all the crews and gassers and everything. Damn. THat's a division.

BTW, I have created an E20 specific IRC Channel on EsperNet.

If anyone is interested It is on "irc.esper.net" and then Join the "#e20" channel. GB and other Mods are requested to get in-contact with me via a TG so I can give them Op status on the channel too.

Server: irc.esper.net
Channel: #e20

There are many IRC clients around some of the more popular ones are Chatzilla and mIRC. But there are plenty more available.

BTW, I have created an E20 specific IRC Channel on EsperNet.

If anyone is interested It is on "irc.esper.net" and then Join the "#e20" channel. GB and other Mods are requested to get in-contact with me via a TG so I can give them Op status on the channel too.

Server: irc.esper.net
Channel: #e20

There are many IRC clients around some of the more popular ones are Chatzilla and mIRC. But there are plenty more available.

can't use IRC at work, as it requires downloads and those aren't permitted

Most information regarding rules will be found eithe offsite
(link to be provided)

or in other threads in Jolt
Each PC nation should construct a primary thread. The first post should be there basic information, second post their economic builds for each year (continually updated) and third post their military forces and deployments (some nations might need a post eventually for their naval, air and ground forces)

THREADS to be added as they are provided
The Great Eastern War 1911 -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11801233&posted=1#post11801233

Oslo conference (attempt to prevent Great War)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500097

The Great War Scare of 1908
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11697657&posted=1#post11697657

Balkan Wars
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11682119#post11682119

Banana Wars (Caribbean and Central American issues)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672396&posted=1#post11672396

NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672295#post11672295

Major events
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11642926&posted=1#post11642926

Economics thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1

military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

Algeciras Conference on Morocco
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609521#post11609521

2nd Ethiopian Italian War 1906-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11656630&posted=1#post11656630

Conquest of Morocco 1906
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498705

China (NPC Imperial China)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672409&posted=1#post11672409

Divided China
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11718108&posted=1#post11718108

a handly list of national threads
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11662955&postcount=231

Argentine Civil War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500463

Rio Plata War (Argentina versus Brazil)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11860062&posted=1#post11860062

Ho boy, the world just degenerates into war more and more.

Ho boy, the world just degenerates into war more and more.


Yeah, but none of them involve me :(

Then declare war on Mozibique and German East Africa and go invade. THat'd get you into a war.

Then declare war on Mozibique and German East Africa and go invade. THat'd get you into a war.

Yeah... with the Motherland....

I thought it was the Fatherland. Motherland is Russia.

No the Motherland refers back to the mother country, England, which control it's colonies like children.

Im sure most Boers would consider the Netherlands more of a fatherland than anywhere else, but since they're a distinct social group (with what will be recognized as their own distinct language in about 10 game years), I think they view South Africa itself as their homeland.

And btw, Poland is the Fatherland, not Germany :p.

Wait I thought SOuth Africa was part of the British empire too?

ANd no the Fatherland is also used for Germany. I've heard enough WWI speaches from Germany to know. And I don't think Poland has ever been called the fatherland. It's never been a country long enough to have that kind of distinction. I mean Poland is invaded by someone once every 40 years.

ANd no the Fatherland is also used for Germany. I've heard enough WWI speaches from Germany to know. And I don't think Poland has ever been called the fatherland. It's never been a country long enough to have that kind of distinction. I mean Poland is invaded by someone once every 40 years.

To be honest, I think every nation calls itself "the motherland" or "fatherland" to some extent. So I wouldn't fret about it too much.

Besides....may it have been sarcasm? Not sure if TLS meant it as such, but I would not be surprised.

To be honest, I think every nation calls itself "the motherland" or "fatherland" to some extent. So I wouldn't fret about it too much.

Besides....may it have been sarcasm? Not sure if TLS meant it as such, but I would not be surprised.

What I meant is that when everything thinks of Fatherland, they think of Germany. However, Poles call Poland "Fatherland" as well. And Poland is better than Germany. Ergo, Poland is the Fatherland, not Germany.

Uhhh alright.

Right so I created this thread awhile ago and promptly forgot about it. Its basically a thread designed for character RP's that aren't neccessarly common in the E20 community (or at least as part of this RP). They can be long-running or one-or-two time affairs.

The thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495814

BTW, I have created an E20 specific IRC Channel on EsperNet.

If anyone is interested It is on "irc.esper.net" and then Join the "#e20" channel. GB and other Mods are requested to get in-contact with me via a TG so I can give them Op status on the channel too.

Server: irc.esper.net
Channel: #e20

There are many IRC clients around some of the more popular ones are Chatzilla and mIRC. But there are plenty more available.

Note, the IRC channel has now been unregistered. I didn't see anyone in it at all (well apart from me) so IMO no point continueing it on. If other people where infact using it then you can re-register it.

Note, the IRC channel has now been unregistered. I didn't see anyone in it at all (well apart from me) so IMO no point continueing it on. If other people where infact using it then you can re-register it.

I got on it :(

No the Motherland refers back to the mother country, England, which control it's colonies like children.

generally colonies refer to the homeland as the mother country

the motherland or fatherland is generally used to refer to your country when you actually live in it.

Note that almost no English speaking nations (none I can think) refer to their home as mother or father anything.

Though currently in this era of nationalisim, the ony English speaking nations are Britain (who refer to "The Empire") and the Americans (I am not sure but I think either "The Republic" or "The Union")

I have decided not to take Mexico as I'm country and stick with Serbia. Since that is happening here is my thread.

Kingdom of Serbia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11872538&posted=1#post11872538)

Hello all,

This is your long lost Canadian player, Lachenburg. For the past several weeks, a handful of matters of varying importance have worked to detract my attention from the RPing world. And, to complicate matters even further, my original player profile of more than 2 years and 1,500 posts was randomly deleted, never to surface again (despite my inquiries to the Moderating staff about the matter).

But no matter, I am back and ready to dive into the fray. If the Dominion of Canada is still open for claiming, I would be more than willing to take it for another spin. However, in the event that it is not, I would be perfectly content in playing another avalible nation (perhaps Belgium or the Netherlands). Of course, that is if I am still welcome to continue to participate in the E20 saga.

Hello all,

This is your long lost Canadian player, Lachenburg. For the past several weeks, a handful of matters of varying importance have worked to detract my attention from the RPing world. And, to complicate matters even further, my original player profile of more than 2 years and 1,500 posts was randomly deleted, never to surface again (despite my inquiries to the Moderating staff about the matter).

But no matter, I am back and ready to dive into the fray. If the Dominion of Canada is still open for claiming, I would be more than willing to take it for another spin. However, in the event that it is not, I would be perfectly content in playing another avalible nation (perhaps Belgium or the Netherlands). Of course, that is if I am still welcome to continue to participate in the E20 saga.

I will get back to you on this.. give me a few days, as things are rather hectic at the moment.

I will get back to you on this.. give me a few days, as things are rather hectic at the moment.

Of course.

as the war is about to get a whole lot bigger, will be starting a World War I thread Monday

it would be nice if a whole lot of "tag" messages were not immediately added.. it breaks up the flow of the narrative. Since a link will be provided on the first page of this thread, it would also seem unneccessary.

So please don't add a tag.

its World War I because I just know you guys will have at least one more..lol

People during the war will call it the Great War or simply the "War"

Though currently in this era of nationalisim, the ony English speaking nations are Britain (who refer to "The Empire") and the Americans (I am not sure but I think either "The Republic" or "The Union")

Yes, Australia doesn't speak english. No, we have our own language - it's called aussiespeak.....

:rolleyes:

I believe people in Australia at the time used to refer to England as the Mother Country (considering most of the present inhabitants immigrated from there).

as the war is about to get a whole lot bigger, will be starting a World War I thread Monday

it would be nice if a whole lot of "tag" messages were not immediately added.. it breaks up the flow of the narrative. Since a link will be provided on the first page of this thread, it would also seem unneccessary.

So please don't add a tag.

its World War I because I just know you guys will have at least one more..lol

People during the war will call it the Great War or simply the "War"

*crosses fingers and hopes england joins the war*

*crosses fingers and hopes england joins the war*

They probably will not. So you better spend your points on something that isn't military related.

Actually, could we call it "The First Great War"? It's rather confusing to have a real life WW1 and an E20 WW1

Depends, if Germany or France invades Belgium, England would have to or lose it's government next election. THat's a fact of life. Britain wouldn't have gone to war in 1914 in real life without Belgium being invaded. And if they did it would have been much later.

They probably will not. So you better spend your points on something that isn't military related.

Yes, spend them on a "buy New Caledonia" fund :p

Parthini;11877567']Yes, spend them on a "buy New Caledonia" fund :p

If you could see me on the other side of this computer machine, you would see a face that is glaring.

If you could see me on the other side of this computer machine, you would see a face that is glaring.

My plan is to annoy you to giving it to me :p

Ohhh that reminds me. Parthini, you and me have to discuss your Canary Islands Naval Base. If it gets attacked theirs a good chance that someone will try to take the whole island rather than just a part of it I have. Sooo ya might want to take care of that.

Parthini;11877567']Yes, spend them on a "buy New Caledonia" fund :p

:D

Since Serbia is gone I will take Mexico.

Isn't Mexico in a civil war?

Actually I have decided not to be Mexico, but Venezuela.

Is that country open?

Will the timetable be changed, and will you need our orders for July now?

Sigh I hope he corrects it. Cause personally I really don't see how that could have worked. But... I'll wait.

Don't we still choose where our trade routes are? I mean it's not just hickeldy pickelty now is it? I mean I know we have internal ones, but the ones we have going to other countries are specific right? Cause if that's true. There is no way Japan could touch my shipping. It's all in the Atlantic. Not to mention that neither Japan or Spain has declared war on one another. I remember the war declaration and Japan didn't include Spain. And in Spain's, I know for sure I didn't declare war on Japan. So how do I end up with a loss of a shipping unit in the Pacific, when I never had one to begin with. I just want to see if anyone else sees that as a problem?

Sigh I hope he corrects it. Cause personally I really don't see how that could have worked. But... I'll wait.

Don't we still choose where our trade routes are? I mean it's not just hickeldy pickelty now is it? I mean I know we have internal ones, but the ones we have going to other countries are specific right? Cause if that's true. There is no way Japan could touch my shipping. It's all in the Atlantic. Not to mention that neither Japan or Spain has declared war on one another. I remember the war declaration and Japan didn't include Spain. And in Spain's, I know for sure I didn't declare war on Japan. So how do I end up with a loss of a shipping unit in the Pacific, when I never had one to begin with. I just want to see if anyone else sees that as a problem?

Sea lanes traverse the world, you trade with other nations than European ones. We are essentially at defacto war, and my naval officers would have swept up "Allied" ships

Uhhh says who? Spanish markets can be based on specified areas. And if I don't trade with any Pacific countries (Which I don't) THen how in the world can I have ships in the Pacific? SPain doesn't trade with any Asian nations. There is no need. The US is the market that I've specialized in. If our shipping units were everywhere, there would be no need for specifying where you put your shipping units.

Therefore there shouldn't ahve been any Spanish ships to be swept up. By stating that I have Shipping units going to the United States and Great Britain that means that I have not placed my ships in the Pacific at all. I do no trade with Pacific nations. I see no need. They are all colonies anyways. So no, I disagree, Sea routes do not traverse the world. Wait that doesn't even make any sense. THat's like saying the Great Lakes traverse the world. The Great Lakes are just landlocked seas anyways. Or that the Mediterranian traverses the world. That doesn't even make any sense.

In the end this is GB's call. ANd Japan gets it's extra shipping unit whether Spanish unit is lost or not. THat's why an embargo is so deadly. If you specialize then you become vunerable to that market. Like if the US and Great Britain embargoed me, I'd be in trouble. So no, I didn't have any ships in the Pacific to be swept up in the first place.

Uhhh says who? Spanish markets can be based on specified areas. And if I don't trade with any Pacific countries (Which I don't) THen how in the world can I have ships in the Pacific? SPain doesn't trade with any Asian nations. There is no need. The US is the market that I've specialized in. If our shipping units were everywhere, there would be no need for specifying where you put your shipping units.

Therefore there shouldn't ahve been any Spanish ships to be swept up. By stating that I have Shipping units going to the United States and Great Britain that means that I have not placed my ships in the Pacific at all. I do no trade with Pacific nations. I see no need. They are all colonies anyways. So no, I disagree, Sea routes do not traverse the world. Wait that doesn't even make any sense. THat's like saying the Great Lakes traverse the world. The Great Lakes are just landlocked seas anyways. Or that the Mediterranian traverses the world. That doesn't even make any sense.

In the end this is GB's call. ANd Japan gets it's extra shipping unit whether Spanish unit is lost or not. THat's why an embargo is so deadly. If you specialize then you become vunerable to that market. Like if the US and Great Britain embargoed me, I'd be in trouble. So no, I didn't have any ships in the Pacific to be swept up in the first place.

Where did you state where your ships go? Spanish ships would travel elsewere to get different goods, the Spanish government can't force them anywhere they want

Scandinavian Regional Council (SRC) Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505640

EDIT: Note, I have received a TG from Sweden indicating that he is apart of this.

I stated that 2 SHipping Units go to the United States, 1 Shipping Unit goes to Great Britain, and 1 Shipping Unit is barges and internal networks. On my front page.

And for Spain trading with Asia is impractical. It's far away. It's not very stable. The markets are very rigid due to colonial ownership. Spain has no monopolies in the East. So it's twice as expensive for Spain to do business with any Asian country. It's alot more practical for SPain to do business wiht it's neighbors. Russia and the United States have the largest amount of oil and coal. ANd the US is the most reliable. So Spain would get coal from them. Food Spain provides for itself, so it has no need to trade when it makes such a large surplus of food. Weapons it gets from France and Germany, and ammunition is provided by Spain itself or the United States or France.

And any Asian products Spain can just get from the United States. It would still be cheaper to go to the East Coast and get it from the US. Not to mention that Asian cuisine and items are not popular in Spain in the early 19th Century. Once the Philippines was lost, there was no need for Spain to trade with the Far East. Not when it can save money and get all its supplies it needs imported closer to home.

So in conclusion, the government can't tell it's mariners where to go specifically (Though that's how trade has worked and why it suddenly changed without being told to anyone is beyond me.) But the SPanish government doesn't need to. Spanish industry runs on American coal and Oil. SPanish food is made from either Moroccan imports or local foods. And any exotic items come from Africa, because thats the only area that Spain has any control. Why go to the Pacific where they are a colonyless power with no monopolies. It would be like sending a lemenade stand against standard oil. No Spanish merchant is going to want to do that. Much easier to just trade with the US. ANd cheaper to just have Atlantic trade routes.

Although I am no expert on such matters I believe it is safe to assume that in Spain or any other civilised nation there is a multitude of established businesses that rely on imports from diverse markets; textile-based industries for instance will require wool, cotton, fabric, silk, dye and so on and so forth, another example would be Lumber and Paper based industries which would of course need timber, then there are of course the resources of tea, coffee, tobacco, Sulphur, rubber, Iron, Cement, Niterates, Glass and so on and so
forth.

Surely these cannot be all gotten from one or two nearby sources at equivilent prices, quantity or quality?

Glad to see you guys are keeping up the good old E20 tradition of warfare. At least Britain and the US are keeping out of this one, they'll be the real winners.

I am keeping up with events and am glad my map hosting is coming in useful at least.

Oh and guys try not to argue with GB over every decision he makes, just accept that once something has been gamed out or decided by him it is immutable. He is the chief moderator after all and it is really tiresome to justify every decision you make in great detail.

Just checking in so you know i'm still alive. Have fun.

Hey, nice to see you and hope you are well.

Uhhh most of the domestic products you just listed, Spain makes itself. Agricultural products Spain has in spades. In fact they have surplus's and supplied the RL allies with them. Timber, Spain has, not as plentiful as others, but enough. Wool, Fabric Spain has. Cotton, Spain can buy easily from the American South in droves. THis is before the Boll Weevil. And after losing Britain's business in the 1860's for India, the American South would love some Spanish business. Silk, is not something I'd send entire fleets into a war zone for. And what I can't get from the neutrals I get from France, or Italy. Or I get from the United States. Or I get from my last colonies in Morocco. I have a pretty diverse market. No one said that a diverse market HAS to include Asia. Not in the early 20th Century it doesn't.

Not to mention this is the early 20th century. This isn't the global market yet. It's colonial, and those without huge colonies buy from what they can get. Asia is pretty much splintered right now. Besides this is all moot. The game rules have it so your fleets go to specified areas. GAME RULES. ANd the only addition to shipping units that were added was that a shipping unit can include internal shipping like barges and stuff. THATS IT. No, oh now your fleets go everywhere and anywhere hickalty pickalty.

And welcome back.

Sukiada, the same game rules that you are hiding behind also specifically stated that at least part of your shipping must be listed as dispersed (I know, because this was my personal contribution to the shipping rule). This is because every nation trades with lots of nations, not just two or three. It is simply not realistic, not matter how well you try to wrap it in economic arguments. The markets simply wont limit themselves like that.

A more appropriate dispersal of your shipping would be 1 unit to US, 0.5 unit to Britain, 0.5 unit to rest of Europe, 0.5 unit coastal shipping (if you are actually required to list this, which I dont believe you are), and 0.5 units dispersed globably. It is likely that since you dont have to list coastal shipping under the old rules this ratio would be US : Britain : Europe : World --- 1 : 0.5 : 0.5 : 1

I might also point out to you that if you examine the front of the economics thread under "commerce" you will find that this rule is not actually listed in the 2nd edition of E20. That you are continuing the old tradition is well and good, but as shown above, it does not mean that the Japanese cant hurt you.

As usual, Galveston Bay's ruling on this is not going to change. Please stop arguing and lets move on. Thanks.

What stops Japan from completely destroying my shipping then? With that rule Japan could simply just continue to destroy my shipping marketed to the world. And I'd have to take some from my specialized ships to world ships and be worn down on a front I am not even apart of. How do I stop that? It's a legitimate question.

What stops Japan from completely destroying my shipping then? With that rule Japan could simply just continue to destroy my shipping marketed to the world. And I'd have to take some from my specialized ships to world ships and be worn down on a front I am not even apart of. How do I stop that? It's a legitimate question.

Note in Great War thread that shipping losses have been modified to cover losses from ALL Coalition attacks. Previous post was simply a placeholder to indicate that Coalition naval forces had inflicted damage to Spanish shipping.

Bottom line, Spain has lost a shipping unit.

Japan can no longer sink your ships, but Germany sure can and probably will.

Ok, I see. Of course my ships in the Atlantic have escorts, so the Germans would have that factored in. And I am building more ships for escort duty all the time. So unlike in the Pacific, I can give some protection to these.

And yes Germany will, but it seems that navally in the Atlantic, the Coalition and the Allies have kinda reached a stalemate for right now.

Been busy, sorry for the inactivity. I am not sure if I can continue, but I shall give it another week and see if it happens.

Been busy, sorry for the inactivity. I am not sure if I can continue, but I shall give it another week and see if it happens.

The Great Eastern War has become a world war (presently called "The Great War"). One of the main fronts is the Balkans, where large Allied and Coalition armies are clashing.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505318

Albania is neutral at present so it has managed to escape the destruction being inflicted upon Serbia, Rumania, Bulgaria, and European Turkey (which have all become battlefields).

busy real life is making posting slow this weekend.. doing what I can when I can

Since I'm Venezuela, for now, I need to have the economic build or atleast a outline of Venezuela.

Hey everyone's got a right to a busy life. No problem.

So... when can I start charging 50 slots per unit of food?

:rolleyes:

What? Someone's gotta profit from all those starving masses in europe.....

What starving masses? Spain can feed any loss of food that France has and still have room left over. Even taking the 2% loss every % above the norm still allows me to have more than enough food.

GB, can we sign the Rio Plata peace treaty now?