NationStates Jolt Archive

Special Note

My participation in this roleplay is at an end. I invite you all to make copies of all of the thread information that you wish to keep, and I wish you well. If your curious as to why, the RP has been determined to be too non Nationstates related by moderators. The actual discussion of that should be left to other places, and not in the forums unless otherwise indicated.


This is the second E20 alternate history thread replacing the one that ran most of 2005-06. This is Historical Earth with the point of departure January 1, 1906 and will continue hopefully until December 2006 in game time.

This is a highly structured, moderated (and refereed) roleplay. Therefore combat, technology and economics have rules, and players interested in participating must be able and willing to follow those rules.

Players roleplay based off the premise of real life nations in the 20th century which could very well lead to a radically different 20th century history. If you are interested or curious, you may apply to join.

4 Basic E20 Rules:[

1. Players need to have a reasonable amount of RP experience
2. Solid understanding of 20th Century World History
3 Understand that this is an alternate history, and significant events have occured in this timeline that have altered the course of history.
4. Understand that this is a refereed RP, and that the principal referees have the ability and role of insuring that accuracy, realism and plausablity is maintained.

Wars and economics are very important in this RP, just as they were in the actual history of the 20th Century. Special threads to handle both of those things are critical to this RP, and those rules are enforced.

useful map links
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/europe.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/scandinavia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/asia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/africa.png

world sea zones
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png

frequent discussion occurs here
http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

Wikepedia articles can be found here
http://editthis.info/e20/Main_Page

(perhaps eventually I will be able to add to those myself)

Major announcement
Due to the fact the German player is having to drop out of the game, going to have the following occur
1. Germany becomes an NPC, as I need it to have some things occur.
2. Malkyer will assume the role of the United Kingdom
3. Middle Snu will assume the role of the United States
4. Amestria will assume the role of France
5. Parthini will take over as the Communist Chinese
6. Kordo and Ottoman Turkey, I have a couple of things in mind for you, please send me a TG to discuss them.
7. Time will fast forward from 1919 - 1924
This five year period, covering the early 1920s, gives ample time for any major political changes you want to have occur. Essentially, a major period of labor unrest led by the communists and socialists will sweep the industrialized world, as they attempt to get some kind of revolution somewhere. This will trigger some economic consequences as well. Over this week I will post them, and you can do your builds for that time period next week.

Play will restart on Tuesday, January 23

This is necessary as I have to fiddle some with Germany, give information to players taking over new roles, and otherwise get things moving.

special note
Population information (historic) can now be found here
http://www.populstat.info/

This RP began as of January 1, 1906

As of January 9, the game year is 1920 and normal timeline is in effect

Each RL week represents one E20 game year, divided into "Turns" as follows.

Monday -- bookkeeping and general announcements
Tuesday - January / February
Wednesday - March / April
Thursday - May / June
Friday - July / August
Saturday - September / October
Sunday - November / December

Referees
Principal moderator – Galveston Bay (responsible for
rules, and handles major wars, economic crisis and
trends and adjudicates disputes). Assist with NPC
builds
Senior moderator – Armestria (assists with NPC
reactions, and background research as needed or requested)

Galveston Bay will not have a
player country, but will handle the NPCs.

Assistant moderator – Kirstiriera (handles things like
the Olympics, Nobel Prizes, World Fairs)
Assistant moderator – Malkyer (checks builds for
accuracy under the rules and fulfillment of
requirements for tech level advancement) assist with
NPC builds, hopefully Middle Snu can help with this as
well)
Assistant moderator – Parthini (checks on
player histories when new players want into the game).
Assistant moderator – Safehaven2 (assist with NPC
builds)

The economics and military threads are going to be updated and replaced soon as they are becoming cumbersome

Players
Updated List

I. Europe:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain ~
[NS]Parthini
The German Empire ~
Safehaven2
The Third Republic of France ~
Malkyer
The Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary ~
Kordo
The Russian Empire ~
Kilani
Bolshevik Party
available (special)
The Kingdom of Belgium ~
available
The Kingdom of Netherlands ~
Canadstein

The Kingdom of Italy ~
Artitsa
The Kingdom of Sweden ~
Kirstina
The Kingdom of Rumania ~
Rodenka
The Kingdom of Greece ~
Whittlesfield
The Kingdom of Spain ~
Sukiaida
The Kingdom of Portugal ~
NPC

Albania (includes Kosovo and Macedonia)
NPC
Kingdom of Macedonia
NPC
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Abbessia
The Kingdom of Norway ~
Samtonia
Republic of Poland ~
Elephantum
The Kingdom of Denmark
Bazalonia
Baltic Union
Western Ukraine
NPC

II. South America:
- The Republic of Brazil ~
Koryan
- The Republic of Chile ~
NPC (Philasanchez?)
- The Republic of Peru
NPC
Republic of Argentina
NPC

III. North America:
- The United States of America
NPC
- The Dominion of Canada
Lachenburg

IV. Asia:
- The Kingdom of Siam ~
Middle Snu
- The Empire of Japan ~
Haneastic
- Republic of Turkey ~
Ottoman Khaif
Imperial China
- Ato Sara
- The Republic of China ~
New Dornalia
Communist China
- NPC (1921)

V. Africa:
- The Union of South Africa ~
The Lightning Star

VI. Oceania:
- The Dominion of Austrialia
New Dracora

NPC countries (not available as PC countries under any circumstance, some will be PC countries later though)
Europe
Switzerland
Andorra
Liechtenstein
San Marino
Monaco
Luxembourg
Montenegro

Africa
Liberia

Caribbean and Central America
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Honduras
Costa Rica
El Salvador
Mexico

South America
Paraguay
Ecuador
Venezuela
Colombia
Uruguay
Bolivia
Nicaruaga

Asia
Nepal
Afghanistan
Bhutan

Colonial possessions and overseas territories 1906
Useful link
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/COLONIES.html

editing in progress

Major sea zones (for naval units and reference purposes)
Oceans are divided up into Sea zones
Atlantic consists of North Sea, Barents Sea, Western Approaches, English Channel, North Atlantic, Central Atlantic, Caribbean, South Atlantic, Great Southern Ocean, North American east coast

Pacific consists of North Atlantic, North American coast, Hawaii, Marshal Islands, Western Pacific, Philippine Sea, Philippine Waters, South China Sea, North China Sea, Sea of Japan, Sea of Yakkutsk,
Gulf of Siam, Coral Sea, Polynesia, New Zealand, Gulf of Panama, Mexican coast, Dutch East Indies

Indian Ocean consists of Red Sea, Bay of Bengal, Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf, Maldives, Madagascar, Diego Garcia, Antarctic sea

Mediterranean Sea consists of Western Mediterranean, Eastern Mediterranean, Adriatic Sea, Aegean Sea, Sicily,

Black Sea and Baltic Seas are each their own sea area.

The Suez Canal connects the Eastern Mediterranean to the Red Sea
The Panama Canal connects the Gulf of Panama to the Caribbean Sea (once completed)
The Kiel Canal connects the Baltic Sea to the North Sea
The Cape of Good Hope lies at the junction of the Great Southern Ocean, South Atlantic, Madagascar, and Antarctic Ocean
Cape Horn / Straits of Magellan lies at the junction of the Great Southern Ocean and South Atlantic,

Special war time rules
Movement between the Black Sea and Aegean Sea and vice versa is only allowed for the alliance that controls Constaninople
Only British and British allied ships can move into the English Channel Sea zone (extensive minefields)
Only German and German allied ships can move from the Baltic Sea to the North Sea (as the Skaggarak is also extensively mined)

Each PC nation should construct a primary thread. The first post should be there basic information, second post their economic builds for each year (continually updated) and third post their military forces and deployments (some nations might need a post eventually for their naval, air and ground forces)

THREADS to be added as they are provided
Mideast and North Africa events
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12035787&posted=1#post12035787

The Great Eastern War 1911 - 13
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11801233&posted=1#post11801233

which became the Great War 1911-13 (First World War)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11881861

which led to peace talks
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507409

Oslo conference (attempt to prevent Great War)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500097

The Great War Scare of 1908
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11697657&posted=1#post11697657

Balkan Wars
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11682119#post11682119

Banana Wars (Caribbean and Central American issues)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672396&posted=1#post11672396

NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672295#post11672295

Major events
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11642926&posted=1#post11642926

old Economics thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1

current Economics Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515828

military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

Algeciras Conference on Morocco
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609521#post11609521

2nd Ethiopian Italian War 1906-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11656630&posted=1#post11656630

Conquest of Morocco 1906
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498705

China (NPC Imperial China)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672409&posted=1#post11672409

Divided China
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11718108&posted=1#post11718108

a handly list of national threads
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11662955&postcount=231

Argentine Civil War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500463

Rio Plata War (Argentina versus Brazil)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11860062&posted=1#post11860062

South American NPCs (regional)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12176193&posted=1#post12176193

Colonies and territories
United States
US Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
Philippines including Spratley Islands
Hawaii (includes islands like Midway and Johnson Island)
Alaska
American Samoa
Panama Canal Zone
Panama (de facto, officially a client state)
Cuba (de facto, officially a client state)
Polynesia (formerly French Polynesia)
Nicaragua (occupation)
Baja California (occupation)
northern Mexico (occupation)
Haiti (occupation)
Dominican Republic (occupation)

Netherlands
Dutch East Indies
Aruba
Bonaire (Dutch Antilles)
Dutch New Guinea
Surinam

Spain
Spanish Morocco
Canary Islands
Centa (enclave on Moroccan coast)
Balearic Islands

Portugal
Azores Islands
Madeira
Portuguese Guinea (modern Guinea Bissau)
Angola
Mozambique
Cabinda (modern part of Angola north of Zaire)
Goa (Portuguese India)
Macao (Portuguese colony in China)
Portuguese Timor (modern East Timor)
Sao Tome and Principe (islands in Gulf of Guinea)

Denmark
Greenland
Iceland
Faeroe Islands

Belgium
Belgian Congo

Italy
Massawa (modern Eritrea)
Italian Somilaland (northern part of modern Somalia)
Ethiopia
Fuzhou
Madagascar
Rhodes
Quomoy
Libya
Djibouti

Japan
Bonin Islands
Karafuto (southern Sakhalin Island)
Manchuria (proviences of Liaoning, Jilin, and Heilongjaing)
Korea
Okinawa and Ryukyu islands
Formosa (modern Taiwan)
Volcano Islands
Kurile Islands

France
French Sahara (RL Spanish Sahara)
French Morocco
Algeria
Tunisia
French West Africa
Ivory Coast
Chad
French Equatorial Africa
Madagascar
Amsterdam and St. Paul Islands (north of Antarctica)
Clipperton Island (off Pacific coast of Mexico)
Corsica
French India (consists of Chandernagore, Pondicherry, Karikal, Yanaon, and Mahé)
French Caribbean (Guadeloupe and Martinique)

Palestine (includes Jordan)
Syria
Lebanon (Beriut hex)
Hainan (client state)

Siamese Empire
Thailand (RL) (somewhat enlarged) Laos
Cambodia
Vietnam (client state)


Russian Empire
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Aland Islands (Baltic)
Baghdad (client state)
Belorussia
Crimea
Georgia
Kazakstan
Kyrgyzstan
Northern Sakhalin
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
Western Ukraine (client state)
Persian Empire (northern Persia)(client state)
Kurdistan (client state)
Armenia (client state)

Austrian Hungarian Empire
Bohemia (modern Czech Republic)
Bosnia-Hercegovina (occupied 1738, annexed 1908)
Bukavina (part of Moldavia)
Dalmatia (part of Yugoslavia)
Croatia
Krakow (part of Poland)
Fiume
Lvov
Hungary
Austria
Ruthenia (part of modern day Ukraine)
Slovakia
Southern Tyrol
Trieste
Slovenia
Serbia
Montenegro (client state)
(misc border parts of modern day Germany, Poland, Rumania, Yugoslavia, etc)

German Empire
Reunion Island
Comoros Islands (a client state but essentially German owned)
German Morocco
Burundi
Caroline Islands
German East Africa )
German Southwest Africa (Namibia)
German Togoland (Togo)
Mariana Islands
Marshal Islands
Memel (part of modern Lithuania)
Pleasant Island (modern Nauru)
Rwanda
Silesia (part of post 1945 Poland)
Palau
Western Samoa
Cameroon
Cape Verde Islands
Rio Muni (as part of Cameroon)

Australia
Papua
Torres Strait Islands
Northern Territory (as in Darwin area is still under British rule at this time)
Christmas, Cocos and Keeling, Norfolk Island and Coral Sea Islands are essentially Australian controlled

British Empire
Antarctica (disputed claim)
Aden
Andaman and Nicobar Islands
Anglo Egyptian Sudan (Sudan)
Anguella
Antigua
Ascension Island
Australia (Dominion)
Bahamas
Baker Island
Baluchistan
Bahrain
Barbados
Barbuda
Bechuanaland (Botswana)
British India (includes Pakistan, various Marajah states) (Dominion)
Bermuda
Bhutan
Guyana
Belize
Indian Ocean Territory
Burma
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Canada (Dominion)
Canton and Enderbury islands
South Africa (consists of several colonies, Dominion status 1910)
Tanzania (former German East Africa)
Ceylon
Cyprus
British Guinea
Dominica
Pitcairn Island group
Falkland Islands
Rhodesia
Fiji Islands
Gibraltar
Gilbert and Ellice Islands
Grenada
Hong Kong
Ireland (Dominion)
Isle of Man
Channel Islands
Oman (technically independent but a client state)
Jamaica
Kuwait (client state)
Oman (client state)
Trucial States (client state)
Qatar (client state)
Laccadive Islands
Seychelles Islands
Maldives Islands
Malaysia
British Borneo
Mauritius
Nepal (client state)
Bhutan (client state)
New Hebrides (Vanatu)
Newfoundland
Nigeria
Kenya
Malawi
British Virgin Islands
Grand Caymans
British Antilles
Sierra Leon
South Georgia and Southern Sandwich Islands
Suez Canal Zone
Trinidad and Tobago
Windward Islands
Zanzibar (part of modern Tanzania)
Malta
Mauritius
Shanghai
Wallis and Futuna Islands (near Fiji)
New Caledonia
Tibet (client state)
Persian Republic (southern Persia)(client state)

Excelente!

GB, I think you should link to Chatzy on the first page, just in case people forget/loose the HTML.

May I recommend that we switch back to the old week-schedule?
Monday - January/Febuary
Tuesday - March/April
Wednesday - May/June
Thursday - July
Friday - August
Saturday - September / October
Sunday - November / December

As I recall, this was more convenient because of the difficulty of mounting military operations during wintertime, especially in the early parts of the game.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605252#post11605252 here is the Ottoman News Thread

colonial possessions and oceans posted below pc nations

Middle Snu, need Mondays for posting builds, and to provide a grace period in case I am gone for a weekend or something or we have Jolt problems or any other reasons that come up

(and they do)

during major wars, we slow down time anyway

What do I do w/ South Africa, since it wasnt a unified unit/colony until 1910?

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I will have an Argentine thread up probably tomorrow, depending on whether I finish it tonight.

TLS, in the period prior to Union last time around, I just RP'd all four South African colonies (Cape, Natal, Orange River, and Transvaal). I don't see why that couldn't be done again.

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I will have an Argentine thread up probably tomorrow, depending on whether I finish it tonight.

TLS, in the period prior to Union last time around, I just RP'd all four South African colonies (Cape, Natal, Orange River, and Transvaal). I don't see why that couldn't be done again.

what he said

Are we still going to have the first year be two weeks long? I would prefer it that way so that people can get their factbooks up and research their nations more.

what he said


This is gonna be a weird thread to make ><

I hope the UK decides to create the Union of South Africa in 1906 instead of 1910, if only to make it easier for me to create a thread. I'm gonna have to reserach the populations of all 4 provinces in 1906, the flags, the Governers, maps...

Hmm... Still in the research process but I'll put up a thread with economic and military stuff, as well as a little news. I plan to make a few reforms here and there.

And TLS, should everything go well, a Union isn't that far along.

I've posted a thread. As it is, the KMT is still the United League/Tongmenhui, so I mentioned it as that.

Argentine Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605487#post11605487

Still under construction, however.

Canadian News & Events Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605519#post11605519)

My main problem with the KMT/Tongmenhui is info, as research is getting sparse on foreign cells and exact stats.

My main problem with the KMT/Tongmenhui is info, as research is getting sparse on foreign cells and exact stats.

Its official headquarters is in Tokyo as of 1906.

Ok, here is my thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605577#post11605577

The individual colonies arent exactly fleshed out, but I'm dealing with 4 indivdual colonies, not one nation like everyone else.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497575

KMT Thread

British Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605795

Rumanian thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605852&posted=1#post11605852

Sweden's News and Diplomacy Thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497597

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606540#post11606540

Behold, the might of IMPERIAL RUSSIA.

One of the few African player in this game. Ethiopia.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606801#post11606801

A quick link update for people's militaries:

Navy Lists (now fully complete) (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/navy.htm)

Army Lists (Still in progress) (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/army.htm)

The army lists still needs changing around a lot, but I thought you guys might want to see it to get the general idea of your military forces.

They are based off of historical army sizes (backtracked from figures I got for 1911), note that they may not quite fit with your maintenance budgets and you are free to remove any surplus units which you can't afford, if required.

I will also get round to doing the armies for people without navies (my list only includes those with them at the moment) as soon as I can, but the US army and various colonial forces need doing first.

A quick link update for people's militaries:

Navy Lists (now fully complete) (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/navy.htm)


Siam has six tech level 4 steam powered ships in 1906 built for it by western nations in the 1860s.
One of these vessals is torpedo boat sized while the others can all be comapred to small destoyers. (Historically these six ships served until the early 1920's when they were replaced by newer ones from Japan, Britain and Italy)

The Thai navy's officer corps at this point is almost entirely made up of Danes and other foreign officers (The guy in charge of the Navy is Danish). Some of the more experianced grades of sailors are also foreigners.
The Danish commander of the Navy in the 1890s was recalled to Denmark and replaced when he ordered his sailors to fire on French ships and compromise 'Danish neutrality'
The Danish as such had de facto contol of the Thai navy untill 1920 when there sufficient numbers of native Thai officers trained to fill positions.
In the game this could of course be changed if Siam builds the training facilities for these officers earlier or later (However it was the same newly trained Thai officers that overthrew the King a few years later and started a long chain of military dictatorships)

There is little infomation on the Thai Army at this point, but as with the Navy a lot of its officer corps were foreiginers (Less than in the Navy though) with these foreign officers comes nice and shiny tech level 4 equipment and the tech level 4 training techniques. The Army is however under the direct control of the King.
So while unlike the Navy the Thai governement actually controls the Army the foreign officers will usually return to their own countries if Siam acts agressive to said countries. This would leave huge gaps in the officer corps and dramatically reduce the effectiveness of Thai Army units as the King will invariably fill the positions with incompetant and ignorant noble cousins and relatives.

This can be chanaged upon the completion of training facilities for officers (with the help of a foreign power to supply trainers), however as said before it is these new native Thai officers who start to get ideas of their own a few years later and overthrow the king in favour of a military dictatorship.

Another option would be to just put the ignorant nobles in charge of the Army, thus foregoing the complication of having educated revolutionaries running around in charge or your armies.
This however would mean that the Thai Army would descend to very low levels of training (back down to tech level 2) and would have none of that nice and shiny tech level 4 equipment.

Woah you guys have restarted?

*pulls off mask*

it's me Spooty, I played in the very first incarnation of this RP by Hystrovokia and if you're starting again then I'd like to get involved, I've advanced a lot since last I RP'd here but if you want evidence of combat experience check my most recent RP, "5 Clans, a Civil War and nothing to eat" I'd like to claim the Netherlands please.

Cool. Though yeah the Spanish Army seems a little wait divisions are 20,000. Times 5 and.... ok I gather that works. I will write it on my thread. Just let me find it first and I'll put a link here.

Here;s the Link. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11596009#post11596009

I'd like to claim the Netherlands please.

Hmmm, I was sorta Semi-Approved as the Netherlands in the other thread. I don't mind to play belgium or something, I'll let LR and GB decide.

the economics rules posted


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605325&postcount=2

notice that there are some big changes, so read carefully

Either Warta Endor or Thiomalea may, with mod approval, play Serbia, and start world wars instead of becoming a large battleground (as Belgium has a bad habit of doing).

Either Warta Endor or Thiomalea may, with mod approval, play Serbia, and start world wars instead of becoming a large battleground (as Belgium has a bad habit of doing).

As if Serbia isn't a battleground :p

BTW, if I play as the Netherlands, I've got one question.

The Dutch also had a seperate, Colonial Army, the KNIL (Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger or Royal Dutch East Indian Army). What was their strength in E20 terms?

Serbia only becomes a battleground if you can't start wars well.

But regardless (I know I've changed my mind about 100 times on this, but this will be final if GB says yes), can I go back to the WZO? I wasn't sure if it would be playable in 1906, but with further research I think I can do it.

Oh boy though, will I be annoying. First I can't decide what country I am, then I'll be harrassing countries with lots of Jews until I get a homeland.

I don't mind sacrificing Netherlands, I just wanted it cos the Low countries are the only nations I have any knowledge on, I'd take Luxembourg (my favourate nation) but it's not allowed, I'd gladly take Belgium unless WE really wants Belgium, in which case I'll take the Netherlands, you know let WE decide.

Serbia only becomes a battleground if you can't start wars well.

But regardless (I know I've changed my mind about 100 times on this, but this will be final if GB says yes), can I go back to the WZO? I wasn't sure if it would be playable in 1906, but with further research I think I can do it.

Oh boy though, will I be annoying. First I can't decide what country I am, then I'll be harrassing countries with lots of Jews until I get a homeland.

Hey! You got my old job, I created the first Zionist nation in Argentina.

I am still getting round to the various European colonial armies, I hope to have France and Germany done soon before moving onto the other nations. Sorry about the delay.

EDIT: French and German colonial armies now done, hope to get the rest of the colonial types done tomorrow.

I am still getting round to the various European colonial armies, I hope to have France and Germany done soon before moving onto the other nations. Sorry about the delay.

EDIT: French and German colonial armies now done, hope to get the rest of the colonial types done tomorrow.

once armies are done, I will post a military thread with costs etc, as well as how many units each player has in game terms.

Dealing with a bad summer cold, so I am reading and writing as I can

Serbia only becomes a battleground if you can't start wars well.

But regardless (I know I've changed my mind about 100 times on this, but this will be final if GB says yes), can I go back to the WZO? I wasn't sure if it would be playable in 1906, but with further research I think I can do it.

Oh boy though, will I be annoying. First I can't decide what country I am, then I'll be harrassing countries with lots of Jews until I get a homeland.

approved, will add you in tomorrow

I don't mind sacrificing Netherlands, I just wanted it cos the Low countries are the only nations I have any knowledge on, I'd take Luxembourg (my favourate nation) but it's not allowed, I'd gladly take Belgium unless WE really wants Belgium, in which case I'll take the Netherlands, you know let WE decide.

Hmmm, I was sorta Semi-Approved as the Netherlands in the other thread. I don't mind to play belgium or something, I'll let LR and GB decide.

Warta Endor recommended for the Netherlands, New Dracora, Alto Sara and Thiomalea need to pick from available list. Also available is the Papacy

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609243#post11609243

USA Thread

Does anyone know what the average population growth was at the time this RP starts? I found some information about the distribution of Jews throughout various regions and countries in a Jewish Encyclopedia for 1901-6, and was going to use that to find various Jewish communities to work with (Palestine in 1906 may look pretty backwater compared to Berlin or New York City, but if you live in Addis Ababa, it looks pretty nice, for example)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497667
Is the WZO thread. I'll try to keep up information about the other major Jewish movements of the time (the Jewish Territorial Organization, for example, which wants a homeland and isn't particular about where it is) and the state of Jews everywhere (noting persecution in Russia, etc.)

Historical events in RL 1906
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906

major events last year in RL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905

Moroccan Crisis last year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Moroccan_Crisis

has triggered this event
Algeciras Conference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeciras_Conference

thread is here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609521#post11609521

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609372#post11609372

NPC/Event Mod To Do List for 1906

The Algeciras Conference (popular reactions in Morocco, est., of direct concern to the American, French, English, German, and Spanish players)

The San Francisco earthquake of April 18, 1906 (of concern to the American Player)

The attempted May 31st assassination of King Alfonso XIII and Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain by Catalan Anarchist Mateu Morral (of concern to all European and American players)

The Iranian Constitutional Revolution (of direct concern to the British, Russian, and Ottoman Empire players).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Revolution_of_Iran

Teddy Roosevelt winning the 1906 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in stopping the Russo-Japanese War (is the award issued in 1906 or 1908? Someone find out… Of concern to the American Player).

The Ottoman withdrawal from the Balkans and the public/institutional response to Sultan Abd-ul-Hamid II’s reform agenda.

Warta Endor recommended for the Netherlands, New Dracora, Alto Sara and Thiomalea need to pick from available list. Also available is the Papacy

Ewww, Papacy, I'll take my chances with Belgium.

Also, I'm having Sun Yat-Sen do a world tour, to drum up support for the Tongmenhui among Overseas Chinese and potential Non-Chinese symathizers.

Soo the question is of course, when did we all start at our tech levels? Because in order to reach lvl 4.5 I have to have been tech lvl 4 for 10 years. Sooo how long has SPain been tech lvl 4. Do I have to start in 1906 and not reach it til 1916?

*Sigh*

I'm Afraid I don't think I will continue to play E20 after the restart.
None of the countries that I would have liked to play are available and to be honest even if I did play another country such as Persia, Mexico, Austrialia etc. I wouldn't enjoy myself, and that is of course the whole point of playing in the first place, to have fun.
There are other things to consider as well, I'm just starting in my A-level courses in two weeks and should really concentrate on getting some work done.

Therefore I'm going to take a little break and come back later when there are some more countries available.

It's unfortunate as this proabably wouldn't have happened if the restart didn't take place while I was away, though such is life. Anyway, have fun guys, I'll see you all a bit later...

Hope some good ones are aviable for you when you return.

Brazilian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497680)

NPC/Event Mod To Do List for 1906

The Algeciras Conference (popular reactions in Morocco, est., of direct concern to the American, French, English, German, and Spanish players)

The San Francisco earthquake of April 18, 1906 (of concern to the American Player)

The attempted May 31st assassination of King Alfonso XIII and Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain by Catalan Anarchist Mateu Morral (of concern to all European and American players)

The Iranian Constitutional Revolution (of direct concern to the British, Russian, and Ottoman Empire players).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Revolution_of_Iran

Teddy Roosevelt winning the 1906 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in stopping the Russo-Japanese War (is the award issued in 1906 or 1908? Someone find out… Of concern to the American Player).

The Ottoman withdrawal from the Balkans and the public/institutional response to Sultan Abd-ul-Hamid II’s reform agenda.

thread for Algerciras conference already posted, other events occur as they occur. Some of the responses will not be immediate either

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11610260#post11610260

updated on wed.

TAG for reference.

Warta Endor recommended for the Netherlands, New Dracora, Alto Sara and Thiomalea need to pick from available list. Also available is the Papacy

Hmm... Papacy... awfully tempting...

:rolleyes:

Meh, I think I'll stick with what I know. I'll like to apply for aussieland please.

Will post Austro-Hungarian News Thread tomorow

tag

The Nobel Peace Prize for Teddy Roosevelt would be given out on December 10, 1906... The other Nobel Prizes for 1906 would be presented around November to December of 1906.

The New Olympic Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497718

Reconsidering my desicion to take a break I think I would like to claim Portugal.

(Bah, see what an E20 junkie I am, I didn't last 24 hours :p)

Reconsidering my desicion to take a break I think I would like to claim Portugal.

(Bah, see what an E20 junkie I am, I didn't last 24 hours :p)

approved

Ewww, Papacy, I'll take my chances with Belgium.

approved

Hmm... Papacy... awfully tempting...

:rolleyes:

Meh, I think I'll stick with what I know. I'll like to apply for aussieland please.

approved

Player nation list updated

Got the Belgian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613489#post11613489) up

Only German and German allied ships can move from the Baltic Sea to the North Sea (as the Skaggarak is also extensively mined)
Don't you mean Denmark?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613949#post11613949

Kingdom of Portugal N/D thread.

Ah, finally been able to post. Jolt's been a little dodgy with me today.

More armies are posted, most PCs are now done. With all colonial armies being included (France, Germany etc). Several new countries are now up:

Belgium
Rumania
Greece
Serbia
Montenegro

I hope to have all other major ones (US, Mexico, Siam, Persia, Morocco, Ethiopia) done tomorrow with NPCs following as and when I can.

Ah, finally been able to post. Jolt's been a little dodgy with me today.

More armies are posted, most PCs are now done. With all colonial armies being included (France, Germany etc). Several new countries are now up:

Belgium
Rumania
Greece
Serbia
Montenegro

I hope to have all other major ones (US, Mexico, Siam, Persia, Morocco, Ethiopia) done tomorrow with NPCs following as and when I can.
Where's all this?

Yo dudes, just did a little researching, I'm not too sure if this is known by you guys but I don't own the Belgian Congo until 1908, atm it's held by King Leopold II but is not a Belgian Colony.

Yo dudes, just did a little researching, I'm not too sure if this is known by you guys but I don't own the Belgian Congo until 1908, atm it's held by King Leopold II but is not a Belgian Colony.

I think this fact has already been previously established by various members of the E20 community during the restart decision phase. However, the matter itself is largely irrelevant as Leopold is the both owner of the Colony and King of Belgium, along with the fact that most of his shareholders are Belgian and a large portion of the profits/reasources from the Congo go to Belgian markets (especially Diamond, Rubber and Ivory Exports).

A quick link update for people's militaries:

Navy Lists (now fully complete) (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/navy.htm)

Army Lists (Still in progress) (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/army.htm)

The army lists still needs changing around a lot, but I thought you guys might want to see it to get the general idea of your military forces.

They are based off of historical army sizes (backtracked from figures I got for 1911), note that they may not quite fit with your maintenance budgets and you are free to remove any surplus units which you can't afford, if required.

I will also get round to doing the armies for people without navies (my list only includes those with them at the moment) as soon as I can, but the US army and various colonial forces need doing first.


military forces are still in progress, but coming soon

Since there isn't an NPC thread yet, would the Netherlands mind having the 8th Zionist Congress in the Hague? Since its the RL location and I don't think there's been time for them to start to hate me, I'd assume its a go, but I'd rather ask (PC or NPC regardless) instead of calling Jews from all over the world to meet somewhere against the will of the host nation.

I'd like to do something similar with the KMT. Perhaps a pan-Chinese meeting in Tokyo or Singapore would be appreciated, to hammer out long term strategy for the future.

What I've done so far (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11615606#post11615606)

...

I think I over did it.

Go and delete all that. If you wish, you may link to relevant articles or include -at MOST- one page of distilled information on your country. Anything more is in extremely poor taste, especially since I have a dialup modem and had to wait several minutes for your pictures to load.

What I've done so far (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11615606#post11615606)

...

I think I over did it.

You could say that....

It's very good, but you really don't need that much infomation.

What I've done so far (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11615606#post11615606)

...

I think I over did it.

YOU ARE THE KING OF FACTBOOKS!

*hail*

The poor, with their 56k modems, might not appreciate it, but the rich with broadband will say what they have always said about the poor;

Fuck the poor!

:p

What I've done so far (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11615606#post11615606)

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I think I over did it.

I'm with TLS on this. Good job.

Several more armies posted over at:

army lists (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/army.htm)

Just a reminder of the navy lists (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/navy.htm).

Just Ethiopia and Morocco of the PCs to do now.

Several more armies posted over at:

army lists (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/army.htm)

Just a reminder of the navy lists (http://ajdumelow.tripod.com/navy.htm).

Just Ethiopia and Morocco of the PCs to do now.

LR, Siam does have a navy in this time period, albeit an out of date and inefficient one.

Sweet factbook, Dracora. I guess that would be a lot easier than having to go to wikipedia everytime you need info on your country. Middle Snu is just mad because you made his look like crap. ;)

Greece needs a navy...I can post some details if you want LR

Factbook of the Netherlands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11617111#post11617111)

A great Fact Book New Dracora!

Whittlesfield: An inadvertent oversight, the Hellenic Navy is now on the list (hopefully!). Note the 3 coast defence battleships are not listed, as with everyone's navies.

What I've done so far (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11615606#post11615606)

...

I think I over did it.

And I thought mine was extensive...

Whoah- nice factbook, New Dracora.

Makes me wonder what kind of RP skills you have when it comes to politicking, military movements, economics, etc. I can't wait to see you in RP action!

I think this fact has already been previously established by various members of the E20 community during the restart decision phase. However, the matter itself is largely irrelevant as Leopold is the both owner of the Colony and King of Belgium, along with the fact that most of his shareholders are Belgian and a large portion of the profits/reasources from the Congo go to Belgian markets (especially Diamond, Rubber and Ivory Exports).

Understood dude, I'm sorry I asked, I just wanted to know if it was purposeful or what, thanks... Oh and kikass Factbook ND.

Understood dude, I'm sorry I asked, I just wanted to know if it was purposeful or what, thanks... Oh and kikass Factbook ND.

No need to apologize. Just establishing the fact of the matter (although it seems, in retrospect, I took a rather hostile tone).

No need to apologize. Just establishing the fact of the matter (although it seems, in retrospect, I took a rather hostile tone).

People can get that feeling when you write everything in bold :p

People can get that feeling when you write everything in bold :p

Of course, hehe.

Since it got overlapped, when did our countries start their tech levels. THis is important for those of us who have to be 10 years at a certain level. If Spain started at tech lvl 4 in 1900 then I have to be it til 1910. If it begun in 1906. (Doubtful) Then I can't reach 4.5 til 1916. Sooo that's my question.

Whoa... I didn't expect such a large response. Cheers guys.

At any rate here is the non-bandwidthorous user-friendly meat-and-two-veg version (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497931) since it would be impractical to post all the events/diplomacy/RP/etc in the other thread.

Since it got overlapped, when did our countries start their tech levels. THis is important for those of us who have to be 10 years at a certain level. If Spain started at tech lvl 4 in 1900 then I have to be it til 1910. If it begun in 1906. (Doubtful) Then I can't reach 4.5 til 1916. Sooo that's my question.

I will have a solution to that tomorrow

finally over being sick, so should get back into things tomorrow as well

Oh... ok. I'll wait til tommorow then. Not a huge deal until our 1906 builds are totally due and we are going into 1907. That way I know what I spent and on waht.

Oh also need to have the assasination attempt taken care of. Did you see my recommendation using a d6 dice.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605629&postcount=3

Of interest to those with Overseas Chinese populations, no matter what size.

military thread added
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

actual militaries to be added soon

Lesser Ribena: TG

Read IMperial Spain Thread to see what I am doing. Amestria, did you ever post a France thread?

I think that we are going to need a Italian since Artista has yet to do anything.

GB, I sent you another email, this one related to economic issues. I'd like some input about my previous email (the military one), and a response to this latest one ASAP as it deals with my 1906 build. Thanks!

NOTE: Thiomalea has become Toopoxia, RPing as Thiomalea wasn't as satisfying as I'd originally hoped so I've reverted to my original nation, I'll try to make sure I don't switch again and I'll still use Thiomalea to make edits but just a heads up incase you see some stranger RPing as Belgium.

GB, I sent you another email, this one related to economic issues. I'd like some input about my previous email (the military one), and a response to this latest one ASAP as it deals with my 1906 build. Thanks!

I will, still getting up to speed after being in bed for 4 days

I think that we are going to need a Italian since Artista has yet to do anything.

patience is a virtue.. he was active the entirity of the last RP, except for occasional absences, and Italy isn't exactly heavily involved at the moment

I suggest we go with LR's earlier suggestion that 1906 be a two part year give a lot of stuff is still in flux and vital information is still being posted (on account of GB's cold).

I suggest we go with LR's earlier suggestion that 1906 be a two part year give a lot of stuff is still in flux and vital information is still being posted (on account of GB's cold).

bronchitis actually, but yes, that is a good plan.. plus its a holiday weekend and a lot of people may be busy

Hey I'm not exactly sure if this is the right thread but I've been searching all day and this looks like my best bet.
so
HI, I'm a friend of Kordo's he definatly knows more abut world history than I do but I'm not far behind him. So the reason I'm bothering you like this I to ask if I could join your RP as Norway. I'm an experienced RP'er and Kordo has vowed to keep me in line historicly.
Thanks
Spilt-Milk

Damn that sucks. Though I'd ask that those countries that might go to war or at least a police action soon, France, Germany, Morroco, Spain are next in the military numbers thread.

So waiting for that and when I started Tech lvl 4. But that's not important for another week.

Alright, done with initiating National Struggle number 1, time to head on to the next nation/struggle.

Any suggestions?

Alright, done with initiating National Struggle number 1, time to head on to the next nation/struggle.

Any suggestions?

Well there is the upcoming annexation of the Congo by the Belgian goverment in 1908, I was planning on spending some time hunting down the corrupt slavers and keeping the peace in the shattered nation, hey the possibility of trouble is out there...

(Remember, Belgium!)

bronchitis actually, but yes, that is a good plan.. plus its a holiday weekend and a lot of people may be busy

I would agree wholeheartedly...

Hey I'm not exactly sure if this is the right thread but I've been searching all day and this looks like my best bet.
so
HI, I'm a friend of Kordo's he definatly knows more abut world history than I do but I'm not far behind him. So the reason I'm bothering you like this I to ask if I could join your RP as Norway. I'm an experienced RP'er and Kordo has vowed to keep me in line historicly.
Thanks
Spilt-Milk

Just confirming that yes, for better or worse, I am this poor childs friend. I suggested Norway since it will give him a chance to get used to this style of RP. However, if anyone else has any suggestions for nations to have him play as, feel free to do so.

We could always have him RP as Denmark or Mexico. Its not like those nations have a history of having bad RP'ers ;)

I would like to apply for the position of Albania while the Moroccon MAtter is being resolved

Anglo-German Accords

After a secret meeting with German Leaders, the United Kingdom and the German Empire have signed a series of Accords striving for lessening Anglo-German tensions.

1. Germany and Britain sign an accord regarding Naval Expansion. Germany will only be able to build Battleships (including Dreadnoughts) and Battlecruisers with a ratio of 3:5 with Britain, meaning that Britian will always have an edge over Germany and will ensure that Germany still is able to have a large Fleet.

2. Germany will sign a non-Agression Pact with Britain, Belgium, the Netherlands and Portugal, and Britain will promise to come to their aid should Germany break such a treaty. Also, Britain will come to the aid of Germany, should either of these minor powers attack Germany. This includes, but is not limited to colonial and naval affairs, trade interference, or outright invasion.

3. Germany will cede a small part of German East Africa (the West part) to Britain, so that Britain is able to build the Cape-Cairo Railway.

SIC: Britain quietly promises the Germans that in the event of a Continental War regarding especially France and/or Russia, that Britain will not become involved. This silent agreement is nullified only in the case of violation of the rights of neutral nations.

ooc. School Time Table sucks (three days 9-5, two days 9-6), so I'm happy I didn't chose a major nation. I'm checking the E20 threads to see if anything has happened.

back from vacation, GB a TG for you, it's several days old

Does anyone have a really good, detailed map of the Pacific or the world around 1900? If so, could they share it please?

I would like to apply for the position of Albania while the Moroccon MAtter is being resolved

Prepare for a quick game perhaps.

Abbassia isn't going to get 2 weeks without losing his nation will he?

Would anybody mind Sun Yat Sen visiting the WZO meeting in the Hague, and expressing solidarity, asking for help, etc?

He'd have to buy a shekel, but as a guest speaker he'd be welcome, showing the similarities between both movements, struggling to establish countries of their own. Of course the Dutch have to approve.

Parthini;11631623']Does anyone have a really good, detailed map of the Pacific or the world around 1900? If so, could they share it please?

The only map i have is a wikipedia one from 1914 that would be easily pushed back to 1900 borders. Its only claim to fame though is that i added in the aral sea, and the 3 big lakes in africa along the great rift valley. Is that what you are talking about?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11632410&posted=1#post11632410

We need an events thread where things of world wide importance can be posted for all to see.

He'd have to buy a shekel, but as a guest speaker he'd be welcome, showing the similarities between both movements, struggling to establish countries of their own. Of course the Dutch have to approve.

The Dutch have no problem with that ;)

When does the Zionist gathering start?

and for somehow I can't check my own thread, the military thread or the economic thread. :confused:

I'm not sure date-wise, though I was going to begin it when the week of 1907 begins, and put it in my thread for the sake of convenience. Most of the action will be me posting debates and progress, and the only other people posting will be Sun-Yat-Sen's speech, possibly Dutch public reactions.

I'm surprised Sun has not requested a visit to tour and speak throughout Paris, Europe’s historic center of Republicanism.

Well, since just about every minor leader in the world is on tour right now, he'll get there sooner or later.

Whoever is Rping Sun-Yat-Sen, you cannot have him just skip Paris when he is on a world tour.

OOC: No worries.

I went through the main thread and collected everyone's N/D threads so that we don't have to sift through the whole thread to find the link for the Dutch thread or whatever else you're looking for. I didn't see a German thread, but I don't know if that's because I missed it or because the link hasn't been posted here yet.

Ottoman Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605252#post11605252)
Argentine Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605487#post11605487)
Canadian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605519#post11605519)
South African Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605577#post11605577)
Kuomintang Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497575)
British Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605795)
Rumanian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605852&posted=1#post11605852)
Swedish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497597)
Russian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606540#post11606540)
Ethiopian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606801#post11606801)
Spanish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11596009#post11596009)
United States Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609243#post11609243)
Zionist Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497667)
Moroccan Thread [Defunct?] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609372#post11609372)
Brazilian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497680)
Japanese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11610260#post11610260)
Belgian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613489#post11613489)
Portuguese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613949#post11613949)
Dutch Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11617111#post11617111)
Australian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497931)
French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11632410&posted=1#post11632410)
Italian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498263)
Austro-Hungarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11637466)
German Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498396)
Greek Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497750)

I was thinking that the German thread hadn't been posted yet.
The new IOC thread is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497718.

We need an events thread where things of world wide importance can be posted for all to see.

That or just a general IC thread, as the system right now seems very disorganized.

I need people's response to this proclamation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11635830&postcount=6)by the Moroccan Sultan as soon as possible please. So that once the militaries are sorted I can wrap up the Moroccan situation.

Specifically I need to know what the French, German and Spanish governments are going to do about their citizens, and also whether the visit by Wolffsohn will go ahead. Bearing in mind that the city of Tangiers will soon be controlled by paramilitary tribal forces loyal to Morocco who have orders to imprison or kill non-resident French, Spanish and German citizens. The other cities will be even less safe as they look set to be involved in imminent heavy fighting as the call up of Moroccan reserves and tribal forces continues and European governments continue to push for the implementation of the Treaty of Algeciras.

Due to a massive turnover in my TG inbox, i'd appreciate any important military orders for my attention be emailed to me instead. You can get my email address by clicking on my name (hopefully). Don't worry about orders already sent, I have those noted down already, I just don't want any future ones to get deleted by an inbox overflow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498263

Italian Thread

Due to a massive turnover in my TG inbox, i'd appreciate any important military orders for my attention be emailed to me instead. You can get my email address by clicking on my name (hopefully). Don't worry about orders already sent, I have those noted down already, I just don't want any future ones to get deleted by an inbox overflow.

wow, we already have a war

I still need the stats on my military. I know I should be pacient, but I need it very soon for something.

I still need the stats on my military. I know I should be pacient, but I need it very soon for something.

If it's against a European army, I wouldn't even bother.

To my knowlewdge, the Ethiopians were actually very well armed with modern weapons, and succeded in driving off an Italian force previously

Yeah they defeated the Italians back in 1896 I think. It's not against a European army. But once I get my stats you will find out soon enough.

Yeah they defeated the Italians back in 1896 I think. It's not against a European army. But once I get my stats you will find out soon enough.

Anything to do with Somalia perchance?

Italian Resources according to CIA Factbook:
coal, mercury, zinc, potash, marble, barite, asbestos, pumice, fluorospar, feldspar, pyrite (sulfur), natural gas and crude oil reserves, fish, arable land

Libyan Resources according to CIA Factbook:
petroleum, natural gas, gypsum



And none of this is worth a single resource point?

Italian Resources according to CIA Factbook:
coal, mercury, zinc, potash, marble, barite, asbestos, pumice, fluorospar, feldspar, pyrite (sulfur), natural gas and crude oil reserves, fish, arable land

Libyan Resources according to CIA Factbook:
petroleum, natural gas, gypsum



And none of this is worth a single resource point?

some of them are probably coming up now, and not in 1906, or aren't signifigant enough

I'll get your stats up later today Canadstein, I must have forgotten you, sorry.

GB is unwell all weekend and hasn't been able to post, but there's nothing really urgent to do (Morocco won't take long for me to do once I get the stats) and 1907 doesn't come round until next Monday anyway.

Until then, I just have to figure out how to stop Jolt from loading up in German everytime even though I have English set as default from the User CP (or Kontrollzentrum as I see it!).

LR, to reply to your TG, I don't know my exact financial details, only that I am getting a point of cash per year.

EDIT: And for that matter, what month is it?

I need people's response to this proclamation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11635830&postcount=6)by the Moroccan Sultan as soon as possible please. So that once the militaries are sorted I can wrap up the Moroccan situation.

Specifically I need to know what the French, German and Spanish governments are going to do about their citizens, and also whether the visit by Wolffsohn will go ahead. Bearing in mind that the city of Tangiers will soon be controlled by paramilitary tribal forces loyal to Morocco who have orders to imprison or kill non-resident French, Spanish and German citizens. The other cities will be even less safe as they look set to be involved in imminent heavy fighting as the call up of Moroccan reserves and tribal forces continues and European governments continue to push for the implementation of the Treaty of Algeciras.

Wolffsohn has, as far as I can tell, become a German citizen, and at the very least he's been in Germany for around 20 years. So, chances are he'll skip Morocco.

Time is sort of in limbo for the time being, but the Algeciras Conference was wrapped up by late February (I think), so it's probably around 25-28th of Feb. Time will start to move again once the first Moroccan events are posted by me.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11637466

The Austro-Hungarian Empire's thread.

Italian Resources according to CIA Factbook:
coal, mercury, zinc, potash, marble, barite, asbestos, pumice, fluorospar, feldspar, pyrite (sulfur), natural gas and crude oil reserves, fish, arable land

Libyan Resources according to CIA Factbook:
petroleum, natural gas, gypsum



And none of this is worth a single resource point?

no, because the oil hasn't been found yet

remember, oil discoveries for North Africa occured in the 1950s

while Italian resources have already been used to industrialize Italy

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497750
[E20]Greece - jolt.co.uk public forums

Sun Yat Sen sends a representative to Bangkok's Chinese community, to organize a Tongmenhui branch there.

Siam thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497689

feeling better today so posting as I can

That's nice to hear, though don't tire yourself too much.:)

Hmmm good. WQill post my responce to Morroco when I know my military. Yep.

Holland: TG

We need an events thread where things of world wide importance can be posted for all to see.

I will create one sometime today

We need an events thread where things of world wide importance can be posted for all to see.

now available
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11642926&posted=1#post11642926

things that occur during the year will be added next week so we will essentially have an ongoing history thread as well

Siam: TG concerning your military. You do not have HQs or such an organized force.

I would like to make a realism appeal on the subject of Holland selling its Dutch East Indies Colony to the Japanese for 15 points in 1910...I see no plausible situation where that happens at present. The Dutch East Indies are very profitable, very important to Holland as a status symbol (very important in this day and age), and has a significant population of Dutch Settlers. I don't see the Dutch government (which is apparently made up of flaming idiots) surviving public opinion.

I would like to make a realism appeal on the subject of Holland selling its Dutch East Indies Colony to the Japanese for 15 points in 1910...I see no plausible situation where that happens at present. The Dutch East Indies are very profitable, very important to Holland as a status symbol (very important in this day and age), and has a significant population of Dutch Settlers. I don't see the Dutch government (which is apparently made up of flaming idiots) surviving public opinion.

I second this for similar reasons. The Dutch government would only faintly consider selling the DEI even under duress and there has not been any evidence (or not nearly enough) to support that any threats have been given. Even in this case, Holland has enough allies with big navies like Britain that they should stand up to that sort of bullying.

The Dutch East Indies are simply too important to be sold for any price this early on. The fact that the fee for them was too low is another matter entirely. I guess Amestria and I are appealing to the mods on this one...

I agree with Amestria and Cylea on this one. It's absurd to think that the Netherlands would even consider selling the DEI. Hell, they didn't give them up after being pretty much annihilated in WWII...

Even after WWII they still tried to get back after Indonesia declared themselves independent. So the Netherlands invaded and took over Jakarta, but pressure from Australia and India made the US get involved. So they had the Round Table Conference of 1949 which finally made the Netherlands give up Indonesia and acknowledged the sovereignty of Indonesia excepting the region of western New Guinea. But Indonesia would get the western New Guinea in the future.

I am now ready to get the Moroccan thing sorted out, just need to hear what the Spanish are going to do first.

I agree with Amestria and Cylea on this one. It's absurd to think that the Netherlands would even consider selling the DEI. Hell, they didn't give them up after being pretty much annihilated in WWII...

I also have to agree, for even putting it forward as policy would most likely result in the Dutch government losing the next election

When did this happen? There's nothing I saw on either the Dutch or Japanese threads.

No Dutch government would do that, the amount of profit that came flowing to the Netherlands from the East Indies, the fact that they've had parts of it since the end of the 16th century and the widespread public outcry that would happen in the Netherlands would stop that. It would never get past the vote in parliament, even if the party in power supported it.

Morrocan Conflict Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498705)

Thank you. ANd I have sent my orders. So uhh that's about it.

LR: Spain has sent its orders.

When did this happen? There's nothing I saw on either the Dutch or Japanese threads.

No Dutch government would do that, the amount of profit that came flowing to the Netherlands from the East Indies, the fact that they've had parts of it since the end of the 16th century and the widespread public outcry that would happen in the Netherlands would stop that. It would never get past the vote in parliament, even if the party in power supported it.

more based on chatzy discussions than actual facts--our complaints were of a preemptive nature. I believe the actual discussed sale was for 1910

Well, it was an idea I doubted would happen but did, and then everyone doesn't like it.

GB: 2 TG's for you

and 1 for New Dornalia

Well, it was an idea I doubted would happen but did, and then everyone doesn't like it.

Japan can offer to purchase the Dutch East Indies for a pitiful price, just as the US can offer to purchase one of the Japanese Home Islands for a box of string, but neither will happen.

The Dutch East Indies are not some profitless and hard to defend island chain (which can be snaped up for the right price)...they are very valuable to Holland for a number of reasons, so if you want them your going to have to find away to take them.

If it gives you any satisfaction know that the current Dutch government, for even considering their sale, will likely be voted out of office in mass.

What the url for the chazy?

GB, sent you a TG.

Japan can offer to purchase the Dutch East Indies for a pitiful price, just as the US can offer to purchase one of the Japanese Home Islands for a box of string, but neither will happen.

The Dutch East Indies are not some profitless and hard to defend island chain (which can be snaped up for the right price)...they are very valuable to Holland for a number of reasons, so if you want them your going to have to find away to take them.

If it gives you any satisfaction know that the current Dutch government, for even considering their sale, will likely be voted out of office in mass.

Home Islands and a Colony are 2 different things, and 15 points is not a pitiful price.

Also, since the sale was never discussed IC (only my mentioning it, no reaction from the Dutch) nothing will hapen to the Dutch government.

Yo, Haneastic, could you get on Chatzy? There is something I'd like to discuss.

EDIT: Nevermind, I replied to that TG. You might like what you hear.

15 points is not a pitiful price.

Yes it is!

Dutch East Indies 12 + 4 oil, food production 50, population 45 million

Holland gets 12 points from it EVERY YEAR, 12 points from the Dutch East Indies, plus 4 oil and five unused food resources. 15 points is pocket money compared to that colonies long term value.

In ten years that colony will produce for Holland (not counting oil and food sold) 120 points... No rational democratic government would sell a colony that valuable for less then it makes every two years. 15 points is a pitiful price, a very very pitiful price.

Portugal: Your Military is way off... You do not have an HQ or any of those troops you have listed.

The following is Portugals current (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11639026&postcount=41) military according to GB:

Portuguese Army (volunteer force)
1 garrison unit (home), 1 garrison unit each (Mozambique, Angola)

Royal Portuguese Navy
Tech level 4.5 warships
CA
Rainha Dona Amelia
CP
Adamastor, Sao Gariel, Candido Reis

Naval bases: Lisbon, Loanda,
No naval yard (repairs etc usually handled in England)

Just a reminder, you need to correct your fact-book/main thread.

Reminder:

We need a Persian revolution.civil war thread.

Amestria, all those people you're yelling at for having inaccurate armies and navies weren't just making things up, they were using LR's stats at a time when we thought they were official. They almost certainly know that that isn't their official army, and simply haven't edited their posts yet.

Sorry...

Sorry...
Thats okay apology accepted..

OOC: Something to give Cylea a more complete (and thus more fun) picture of his sandbox…

IC:

Conditions in Central America and the Caribbean as of March/April 1906 (with the exception of Cuba)

Central America and the Caribbean were rather unstable in the early 20th century, prone petty despotism, civil war, and outbreaks of strafe.

Haiti: This troubled impoverished Caribbean nation is presently under the rule of the 85/86 year old President Pierre Nord Alexis, whose four year regime has been plagued by rebellion and frequent accusations of corruption. President Pierre Nord Alexis was declared President by a legislature held hostage in December 21, 1902 following a US backed coup. Alexis has cast himself as a supporter of American interests in the Caribbean (why they helped him to power) and he is very likely to die soon from old age, leaving a power vacuum. There are many people opposed to his regime that were or are loyal to the former rebel leader Antenor Firmin.

Ninety percent of the population is Creole-speaking blacks, the large majority of them illiterate. The remaining ten percent, the élite, are mixed race, Franco-black multattoes whose language is French; for the most part they have been educated in France and form the professional and governing class. The élite have grown fat and rich off government jobs, contracts, and enormous amounts of graft. The two classes, not surprisingly, have nothing but contempt for each other.

Added to this mix are the cacos (name derived from the "kaa-ko" call of a local bird of prey), the perpetual wild card in the deadly game of Haitian "politics". Descended from runaway slaves, the cacos live in quasi-military band throughout the north and central mountains. In times of peace they exist by pure banditry: preying on farmers, extorting whole villages, and robbing travelers Haiti's few miles of bad road. They take money from any revolutionary faction seeking the National Palace in Port-au-Prince, serving as an insurgent force until their "candidate" achieved the Presidency. If a rebellion fails they merely retreat back into their mountain forts, or slip over the border into the Dominican Republic. In the event of a successful revolution though the cacos demand their "fair share" of the national treasure. A president retained their support only so long as he paid. Once the money stops the cacos change sides and support the next contender.

A very unstable place, one would describe it as perpetually poised on the brink.


Dominican Republic: Currently stable under President Ramón Cáceres. The US currently administers the Dominican Republic's customs, the major source of government revenues, in order to facilitate the repayment of outstanding European debts.


Guatemala: Presently under the dictatorial rule of President Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The United Fruit Company has become an important force in Guatemala, being hired to manage/administer the country’s postal system. As of 1906 Cabrera is facing serious revolts against his regime; the rebels being supported by the governments of most other Central American nations.

One very curious fact, Estrada Cabrera is attempting to foster a Cult of Minerva in Guatemala. He has ordered or is planning to order a number of Hellenic style "Temples of Minerva" built in major cities throughout the country.


Honduras: Presently stable under the administration of Liberal turned Conservative Manuel Bonilla. The President has given generous concessions to the banana companies along the north coast.


Costa Rica: A rare example of political stability in the region (cynics would say the example of stability that proves the rule of instability), it is peacefully continuing its development under President Ascensión Esquivel Ibarra and as of May 1906, President Cleto de Jesús González Víquez.


El Salvador: Currently under the Military Dictatorship of President Pedro José Escalón. The El Salvador coffee industry has grown inexorably of late. As a result the rural elite provide the bulk of the government's financial support through import duties on goods imported with the foreign currencies that coffee sales have earned. This support, coupled with the humbler and more mundane mechanisms of corruption ensure the coffee growers an overwhelming influence within the El Salvador Government and military


Nicaragua: Presently controlled by Liberal* President José Santos Zelaya (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/JZelaya.jpg), an obnoxiously nationalistic corruption ridden kleptocrat with ambitions of reuniting the United States of Central America under a Nicaraguan hegemony, with himself as national president. His regime is solvent but dominated by monopolies granted to favorites, the normal order of business, with Zelaya and his associates enriching themselves. The US Government despises him…they REALLY loath him, the State Department considering him “guilty of murder and rape, as well as robbing his countrymen by graft to the extent of making himself a multi-millionaire.” The US has been trying to undermine his 13 year rule through dollar diplomacy, but his regime remains firm, although there remain Conservative and some Liberal politicos in Eastern Nicaragua that plot revolution.

*In Nicaragua, Liberal and Conservative originally connoted anti- and pro-clericalism respectively. By the early 20th century these labels signify little more then variations of a debilitating, hereditary regionalism, or localismo. Conservatives, on balance, are less anti-American then their liberal counterparts.

He is not well liked by neighboring countries either, since he wants his country to dominate them and gives aid to liberal federalist (political or rebel) factions in other Central American nations. As mentioned earlier, he is also obnoxious. “Appeal by all means!” he told a Peruvian facing deportation. “When I ridicule the United States, laugh at Germany, and spit on England, what do you suppose I care for your beggarly little Peru?”

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11650412&posted=1#post11650412

Sorry about the whole Morrocan affair thing. Albania should be a little better. Yep.

Nevermind about Morocco, it was a little too late to do anything by itself and all the potential backers didn't back it, not to mention the ruthlesness of the French terms.

All in all, I can say I acted as realistically as possible, though there were times where I would wonder off with my mind imagining ways to win this (I think Explosive Homing Pigeons had an influence there :p).

Wish me luck as Albania though.

The first turn of the Moroccan conflict is done, the capital is likely to fall withn the next turn and then there's just mopping up to do (guerilla will remain for some time though, perhaps damaging some units and economic centres).

(Causing Spain to probably give up some of it's holdings to France and Germany. Remember SPain's populace is extremelly anti-colonial at this time.)

Humpf, so why did you go along with this thing in the first place?

Humpf, so why did you go along with this thing in the first place?

Amestria's 3vil mind control pow3rs of course, silly :p

lol

Morroco threatened Spanish civilians. ANd also France's influence. And also the fact that Morroco just left. I was serious that SPain was planning to be extremelly lenient and eventually give Morroco back everything except Ceutra. Butttttt..... threaten Spanish civilians in Morrocan held territories and the government has to act.

Oh come now, it was France's show all along and if it were, you could have at least told me so OOC'ly. We said non-Tangier-Residents will be killed or imprisoned not Spanish and French in General also.

Actually the statement was French and SPanish speciffically. And OOCly, I was never given any time. ANd yeah it was mostly France's show.

Might I suggest the links to everyone's page be compiled again, as it was before?

And I gather our 1907 stuff is due on Monday correct?

LR: TGed you Frances orders for the second turn.

Same from me LR.

For one, I am one of maybe three people on this forum that manage to spell yours and everyone else's name correctly. It would be nice if you provided the same courtesy.

Secondly, Britain, unlike Spain, is at the height of its Imperial Hegemony, and I have a feeling would have no worries about adding Spain to the long list of possessions of the Crown.

Thirdly, I never stated that I was making Spain a Crown Colony, although the more this plays through, the more I feel it may be necissary...

Lastly, now you know how Abbassia feels...

I would think the British wouldn't be to eager to invade Spain, considering they just came out of the Boer wars not to long ago and their experience wasn't exactly all to hot, and looking at a future invasion of Spain any Englishman could see it would likely involve a lot of the very same irreguler style warfare that made things so difficult in Africa. That on top o the fact Britain's army wasn't exactly designed for major continential wars.

I would think the British wouldn't be to eager to invade Spain, considering they just came out of the Boer wars not to long ago and their experience wasn't exactly all to hot, and looking at a future invasion of Spain any Englishman could see it would likely involve a lot of the very same irreguler style warfare that made things so difficult in Africa. That on top o the fact Britain's army wasn't exactly designed for major continential wars.

Who said anything about invading? I Hell, Britain was the one who just 100 years ago had it's greatest general defeat the French in Spain just because of that reason.

So what would you have Spain as? Having the King directly control is like Ireland will mean nothing for me. Because personally Spain would erupt into revolution immedietly and turn into a Civil War. That's nothing I can do anything about. It's what would happen.

Now, I have an idea. If Great Britain made Spain it's protectorate. As in it had Prince of Brattenburg as a temporary king, but in truth left the aristocrats of SPain to do what they want and the Republicans to do as they wanted then it would be acceptable to most Spainards. Then find a way to meld the two houses together, that could work.

ANd yes I know how Abbrassia feels. So how about that idea I put up there. Would that work? Parthini. Spain as a Protectorate of Great Britain. Because personally if it became a crown colony it would explode in violence. THat's just the way of the world.

IC there is no way in hell the Spanish people would allow a British person to be in control.

Doesn't seem to me the Habsburgs or Bourbons (both foreign dynasties) had too much of a hard time controling the Spanish People. Hell, Spain was at its pinnacle of military, economic and technological achievement under the dominion of a foreign King (Carlos I, or Emperor Charles V, I believe).

So it's really not that far-fetched to imagine a ruler from the House of Saxe-Corburg-Gothe sitting atop the Spanish throne (although the question of whether or not the rest of Europe will accept such a change of dynasties is key, lest we have another war of Spanish Succession).

So it's really not that far-fetched to imagine a ruler from the House of Saxe-Corburg-Gothe sitting atop the Spanish throne (although the question of whether or not the rest of Europe will accept such a change of dynasties is key, lest we have another war of Spanish Succession).

Which could be our spark for WWI.

Do I have to mention that the British supported the Portuguese and did threaten Spain during Portugals rather nasty propoganda campaign a few months ago game time? Believe me a foreign king wouldn't be so far fetched if it was from France or Germany, but Spain isn't exactly Pro-British at this moment.

Once again I think my idea would fit well and still allow me to play as Spain. Sigh....

Like I said, I'm considering my options.

Sigh... Not even to my first build.....

Wolffsohn tour to be posted this weekend, along with 8th Zionist congress (technically early 1907, but Im going to pre-empt most likely.

Once you've considered your options, please check your British thread and answer the nobles so we can do this officially.

Spain: TG

As once African crisis is over another begins:

Ethiopian Crisis (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11654053#post11654053)

British and Italian responses please.

Thanks.

I would think the British wouldn't be to eager to invade Spain, considering they just came out of the Boer wars not to long ago and their experience wasn't exactly all to hot, and looking at a future invasion of Spain any Englishman could see it would likely involve a lot of the very same irreguler style warfare that made things so difficult in Africa. That on top o the fact Britain's army wasn't exactly designed for major continential wars.

On the contrary, I think the Boer Wars would've taught the british a few needed lessons...

list of available countries and imperial possessions adjusted to reflect events so far

Ok, got the TG. UHHH thinking before I respond.

On the contrary, I think the Boer Wars would've taught the british a few needed lessons...

Not to wear red in the field, not to fight in formation against guerillas, not to neglect the safety of enemy civilians (or just don't let your press know about it!), not to use what was essentially slave labour (Chinese coolies) for a start. As New Dracora says the (Second) Boer war actually helped the British a lot. The British lost 22,000 military deaths to the Boers' 7,000 but they came out of it with some valuable battlefield experience. They learnt that up to 40% of their recruits suffered from malnutrition leading to a number of social reforms which improved the standard of the army. They learnt to keep the public onside at all costs, the only reason the Tory party stayed in power in 1900 was through well publicised military victories.

Though of course popular opinion on a war in Spain would probably not be too high, Britain's army is very small and it would be a PR disaster to be forced to call up the reserves in what is essentially a quibble over ascension to a foreign throne. The pope may also not be too happy that one of his most populous Catholic countries is being associated with Anglican protestantism.

I have Telegrammed Middle Snu several times to give him a general idea for what my vision of the Kingdom after he offered to help me with my builds, but I figure everything just has not been completely figured out with the fundimentals... (I just want to make sure that everything is done smoothly and with care...)

By the way, I will be gone for the weekend. So uhhh nothing too drastic with my country. I know I might be involved in a dozen different government problems, but I am taking a weekend break. So yeah that's about it.

added some thread to first page

and Ethiopia has invaded Italian Eritrea

GB, the front page Economic Thread is only a post of the rules

Safehaven: TG(s)

Please note that I am swithcing to play Bulgaria.

With permission from the mods I would like also to retain control over Albania's builds and such.

Abbassia: Albania would NOT send Bulgaria money or aid, its too poor.

Sharina: TG

Abbassia: Albania would NOT send Bulgaria money or aid, its too poor.

ruled its ok this year for partnership reasons... at least for the short term

Please note that I am swithcing to play Bulgaria.

With permission from the mods I would like also to retain control over Albania's builds and such.

this year only

What's happening in England?

Wolffsohn world tour to begin today. Since i don't expect much IC reaction until the conference gets started, and then mostly from refs, the KMT, and possibly the Dutch, since its in the Hague, but unless the entire conference does something dramatic, don't expect anything of serious concern to anyone except me.

People need to date their posts more frequently so we know more readily when things happened.

Parth: By cease its attacks do you mean stop attacking Italy's forces or withdraw from Italian East Africa?

Parth: By cease its attacks do you mean stop attacking Italy's forces or withdraw from Italian East Africa?

I meant that Ethiopia needs to stop being a dumbass and attacking a European nation after seeing a fellow African nation become torn apart by Europeans.

Africa:
South African Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605577#post11605577)

Americas:
American NPC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510830)
Canadian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508437)
Brazilian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497680)

Asia:
Australian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497931)
Japanese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515748)
Imperial China Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509466)
Republican China Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497575)
Siamese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497689)
Turkish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509509)

Europe:
Belgian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511713)
British Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605795)
Bulgarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499121)
Danish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500483)
Dutch Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507043)
The Eastern European Empire Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509818)
French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515612)
German Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515420)
Greek Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497750)
Hungarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515603)
Italian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498263)
Norweigean Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500062)
Polish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510438)
Rumanian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605852&posted=1#post11605852)
Russian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606540#post11606540)
Spanish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11596009#post11596009)
Swedish Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497597)

Other
IOC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497718)

Defunct Threads:
Ethiopian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11606801#post11606801)
Moroccan Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609372#post11609372)
Argentine Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605487#post11605487)
Canadian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605519#post11605519)
Chilean Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499202)
United States Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11609243#post11609243)
Ottoman Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11605252#post11605252)
Albanian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11650412&posted=1#post11650412)
Austro-Hungarian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11637466)
Belgian Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613489#post11613489)
Dutch Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11617111#post11617111)
Portuguese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11613949#post11613949)
Zionist Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497667)
German Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498396)
French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500187)
Japanese Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11610260#post11610260)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499202

Chile thread. Very plain, boring, and ugly.

Meh.

Cylea, TG

Parthini;11662862']I meant that Ethiopia needs to stop being a dumbass and attacking a European nation after seeing a fellow African nation become torn apart by Europeans.

Since when was I a dumbass. I have been planning this thing way before this thread even started. Also I don't care about Morrocco being torn apart. They were just stupid. They are so close to Europe and it was bound to happen. While Ethiopia is somewhat far away from Europe. Also I was just wasting my time until the Italians invaded. I knew that Ethiopia was there next target after Libya.

Umm... excuse me but invading Italian Land is not going to gain you any sympathy.

Who said I was asking for sympathy?

Who said I was asking for sympathy?

Well, generally when you're a nation like Ethiopia, you don't try attacking one of the Great Powers without some assistance...

I knew that no country would help me. I asked both France and England without any help. So I did it alone. Anyways I planned it almost 6/7 the way threw without dealing with a Great Power.

England: My Ambassador...

England: My Ambassador...

Replying soon.

Parthini;11665290']Replying soon.

Short answer: England going to join France in destroying Siam?

According to various sources, I have determined that the population of Greece as of 1906 is actually around 2.6 million. After I receive the land from the Ottoman Empire this will go up to roughly 3 million. The growth rate is slightly under 1% (but I'll use 1% to make it easier).
The Royal Hellenic Navy:
Royal Hellenic Navy
Tech level 4.5
1 torpedo boat flotilla
tech level 4
CP (glorified gunboats)
Nauarchos Miaoulis, Hellas

I also think that I should gain a destroyer flotilla in 1907, as by then I will have 8 destroyers, although I do request you reevaluate your decision to make a destroyer flotilla, as this leaves many smaller nations with none, and even the UK only has two! Maybe 5 ships would be better? Or
10? But in any case I would like a destroyer flotilla in 1907!

Now for the army:
"in time of war the active army will consist of at least 120,000 men and the territorial army of at least 60,000 men. "
That is the data I've found. Now I'm assuming territorial army units will be militia units, although I'm not sure how any reserves there will be. What I suggest is:
1 Infantry Corps
2 Mountain Division
1 Artillery Brigade
2 Militia Divisions
1 Militia Brigade
2 Infantry Divisions (reserve)

Also, I believe Greece is worthy of an Ocean liner point, in addition to the 1 shipping unit you've already given it. When Greece hits 4 million, I also believe it should automatically gain an extra shipping unit as well (it cannot gain one before, as you can only have 1 shipping unit for every 2 mil pop but almost everyone owns a ship in the coastal areas, so it would only be fair). A coal point would also be handy, and is also found and extracted in Greece
All information has been gathered at the following links:
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Greece
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/fdzz0001.htm

I hope you find my suggestions fair and workable.

Just a TG I sent to LR and GB incase they don't get it.

Just a TG I sent to LR and GB incase they don't get it.

dude, no one got an ocean liner unit. If I didn't, you sure as heck didn't get one.

Destroyer Units are big because they have a lower tech level, the higher tech level the more destroyers

dude, no one got an ocean liner unit. If I didn't, you sure as heck didn't get one.

Destroyer Units are big because they have a lower tech level, the higher tech level the more destroyers

What are you talking about... I got 10...

Although, you can only get 3 points from Ocean Liners.

Parthini;11665386']What are you talking about... I got 10...

Although, you can only get 3 points from Ocean Liners.

you got 10?!

Wow, you'd think japan would get one, but maybe not

Umm there's more chance of Greece having than Japan! And anyway, other people got them, so I think I should.
Also, that comment about destroyers...I don't think its fair it should be 20 ships. If a navy the size of France's only gets 1 destroyer flotilla, I don't think that's really fair on the smaller navies!

Umm there's more chance of Greece having than Japan! And anyway, other people got them, so I think I should.
Also, that comment about destroyers...I don't think its fair it should be 20 ships. If a navy the size of France's only gets 1 destroyer flotilla, I don't think that's really fair on the smaller navies!

France has 2 flotillas

I also don't see how a nation with a population of 4 million and not much of a navy anyway has a beter chance of an ocean liner unit than Japan, wth 61 combined population, lots of touristy areas, and a large navy

Because Greeks have a mercantile and seafaring nature and history, that's why. They also had 40 steam liners which would go around the Med in 1911, so I'd imagine they'd have some of those in 1906.

Greece is one of the poorest country's in Europe, and 1911 is four years from now.

Because Greeks have a mercantile and seafaring nature and history, that's why. They also had 40 steam liners which would go around the Med in 1911, so I'd imagine they'd have some of those in 1906.

Mediteranean is a sea, not an ocean. There are a lot more poweful, rich countries without ocean liners