NationStates Jolt Archive

Because Greeks have a mercantile and seafaring nature and history, that's why. They also had 40 steam liners which would go around the Med in 1911, so I'd imagine they'd have some of those in 1906.

that is quiet correct....the Greek merchant marine is one of the worlds largest even now

Ok, based on new info, I think the Greek Army should be:
4 Infantry Divisions
4 Mountain Brigades
1 Artillery Brigade
2 Militia Divisions
1 Militia Brigade
4 Infantry Divisions (reserve)

Parthini;11662862']I meant that Ethiopia needs to stop being a dumbass and attacking a European nation after seeing a fellow African nation become torn apart by Europeans.

Also calling me a dumbass is uncalled for. You said I needed a European power to help me go against Italy. Well sir you are wrong. First I asked you, then France. The only reason you don't want to help me, the same with France, is that you are trying to make WWI not happen. You are only prolonging your time until a world war happens. Then it will be hell will be paid upon the European countries.

Ok, based on new info, I think the Greek Army should be:
4 Infantry Divisions
4 Mountain Brigades
1 Artillery Brigade
2 Militia Divisions
1 Militia Brigade
4 Infantry Divisions (reserve)

I used what the Greeks mobilized in World War I... so keep what you have.

In game terms the Balkan armies are chronically under equipped with artillery will not have seperate brigades of artillery. This is also a problem for the Russian reserves, American National Guard etc. Which is why you have to spend points to upgrade them.

Just a TG I sent to LR and GB incase they don't get it.

not changing anything at this point... you can build up your forces if you wish

France has 2 flotillas

I also don't see how a nation with a population of 4 million and not much of a navy anyway has a beter chance of an ocean liner unit than Japan, wth 61 combined population, lots of touristy areas, and a large navy

Japan is free to build all the ocean liners it wants up to the population cap for merchant marine units (ocean liners count as a merchant shipping unit)

Incidently, I think there is some confusion about this. An ocean liner at this point is a fast (relatively speaking) ship carrying 1000+ passengers. They are relatively rare, and the British have most of them. A passenger ship can be just about any size vessel including some square rigged sailing ships still on the high seas at this time in history. Just because a ship carries passengers doesn't mean its an ocean liner.

So to give you an example... the Titantic is an ocean liner, the Carpathia isn't.

Aussie Build 1906 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11666647&postcount=4)

Please read and review to make certain I haven't buggered it up :p

Aussie Build 1906 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11666647&postcount=4)

Please read and review to make certain I haven't buggered it up :p

That is the first Australian build in a very long time that I did not have a hand in...

::sheds small tear::

I'd like mod clarification on two things.

First, to what extent are we required to post military deployments in our news threads?

Second, is it possible to stockpile production points?

Second, is it possible to stockpile production points?

No on the second one, you spend them or lose them.

I'd like mod clarification on two things.

First, to what extent are we required to post military deployments in our news threads?

Second, is it possible to stockpile production points?

first... general locations would be extremely helpful

second... sorry, no stockpiling

Bugger.....

Can I put them into resource exploration or a project or something then?

Bugger.....

Can I put them into resource exploration or a project or something then?

Yes.

effective 1907, Albania is an NPC country (I will handle its builds for 1908) and Bulgaria is a pc country (Abessia)

I used what the Greeks mobilized in World War I... so keep what you have.

In game terms the Balkan armies are chronically under equipped with artillery will not have seperate brigades of artillery. This is also a problem for the Russian reserves, American National Guard etc. Which is why you have to spend points to upgrade them.

not changing anything at this point... you can build up your forces if you wish

I'm using the real data from 1905-7.

Righto. Would it be possible for me to join now, as the Kingdom of Norway? If needed, I can provide RP background and such.

Righto. Would it be possible for me to join now, as the Kingdom of Norway? If needed, I can provide RP background and such.

send a TG to Parthini or Sharina with links to history, then they tell me and I approve or not is how it works

for now Norway will be held until approved

Odessa Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499369)

The Conference has begun. Going to need a mod to do the Serbian presence...

Aussie Build 1906 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11666647&postcount=4)

Please read and review to make certain I haven't buggered it up :p

Redone. I ask that changes are cleared before I attempt the 1907 build.

btw - I don't suppose I can stockpile strategic resources such as coal or oil can I? I'm pretty certain specific coaling stations and the like existed at this time.

Redone. I ask that changes are cleared before I attempt the 1907 build.

btw - I don't suppose I can stockpile strategic resources such as coal or oil can I? I'm pretty certain specific coaling stations and the like existed at this time.

no more then one years worth.. rules for that will be posted as they were abused last time around

We need a general NPC thread (separate from the Major Events thread).

Bugger.....

Can I put them into resource exploration or a project or something then?

You could always "donate" it to the Empire :)

GB did you get my email from yesterday?

Just checking as my inbox overflowed once more and any TGs you sent may have been lost. I don't know how it always happens, I have no TGs in there at the start of the night then people all decide to TG me at once and kill my inbox!

GB did you get my email from yesterday?

Just checking as my inbox overflowed once more and any TGs you sent may have been lost. I don't know how it always happens, I have no TGs in there at the start of the night then people all decide to TG me at once and kill my inbox!

yes I did, but haven't had a chance to look at the map yet

added an NPC thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11672295#post11672295

will add a thread for the Banana Wars soon

added threads for Imperial China (NPC) and Banana Wars .. wait to post until I get around to filling in the details please

How do we know how many ships we can build a year?

Parthini;11672668']How do we know how many ships we can build a year?

In the case of the British and Americans, as many as they can afford

GB did you get my email from yesterday?

Just checking as my inbox overflowed once more and any TGs you sent may have been lost. I don't know how it always happens, I have no TGs in there at the start of the night then people all decide to TG me at once and kill my inbox!

How about you post your yahoo email account for us.

GB: Need me to TG you again?

no more then one years worth.. rules for that will be posted as they were abused last time around

hey, 75 stockpiled oil was totally realistic! ;)

How about you post your yahoo email account for us.

GB: Need me to TG you again?

no, I have what I need for now

Parthini;11672190']You could always "donate" it to the Empire :)

HEH :D

Should I do some RP about the "special" spending in my budget to get attention or should I just be content with not being noticed?

Pacific Trade Pact (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11675319&posted=1#post11675319)

How about you post your yahoo email account for us.

My email account is dumelow@gmail.com you can reach me there with no problems of space. If you forget it just go to one of my posts and clicking on my name (it should bring up the profile) and my email will be there.

I have put together a map of the Sea Zones used for naval warfare for you guys to refer to.

It can be found here (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png) and shows the various sea zones referred to one the front page of this thread and should assist you guys in writing naval orders.

GB has checked it and says it is OK and hopefully will be linked in one of the military posts soon.

EDIT: when you open the link the map will probably be displayed smaller than actual size, just hover over it until the resize option box appears and click it, it'll resize and be earier to see.

Note that in Winter the Arctic Ocean is effectively impassable to the ship units represented in the game, it may not be traversed or patrolled in that season (winter runs from December to February in the North). Thawing in Spring and leaving occasional iceburgs to threaten shipping.

A similar situation exists in the Antartic Ocean which is impassable in the colder months of Winter and Spring (June to November in the South), white areas on the map are permenantly ice and cannot be traversed at all. Starting to thaw in Southern Summer but most open in the Southern Autumn.

Gb: Tg

Gb: Tg

incidently, you don't have to post in a thread that you TGed me, I check TGs regularly

Cylea: TG

Aussie Build 1907 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11679439&postcount=6)

And since no one could be bothered with clarifying what I had done with the last build, I have changed it to this. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11666647&postcount=4)

Lr: Tg

I'm still alive, not been able to post anything today as I have just got back from work. I also have a meal with friends (a last chance before we split up and go to various universities) to go to in around 50 minutes so various devious plans will have to wait until tomorrow i'm afraid. GB and I also have plans to get the old World in Flames map boards hosted on my image storage as a reference guide, it's a very useful tool for the big fights.


Cheers.

so various devious plans will have to wait until tomorrow i'm afraid.

Okay, have everything moved up from April to July then. I also trust there will be no penalties.

Have a nice time, cheers.

Back from having the hives and such. Looked at a thing from Great Britain. And did a bunch of stuff. Gotta get back to work and stuff. So uhh be on tommorow.

Zionist congress is underway, so if you have anything related to the quest for a Jewish homeland, now would be the time, as they don't all meet together until two years from now.

Yo dudes, I'm justy posting to say that I'ma be online less for a while, I know Belgie isn't that active (It's not got much to shout about) but it's gonna get less active, see I'ma trying to get a social life so that I actually have something to be ruined by NS playing, plus i've started College again (WOOH, ART!!!) so I'll be online every Sunday at least and i'll try to get online as much as possible...

I also wanted to know, come 1908 the Belgian goverment will annexe the Congo, do I just state this in my Factbook (redux coming soon) or do I make a thread or will one of the Admins do somthing? I'd like to know...

Yo dudes, I'm justy posting to say that I'ma be online less for a while, I know Belgie isn't that active (It's not got much to shout about) but it's gonna get less active, see I'ma trying to get a social life so that I actually have something to be ruined by NS playing, plus i've started College again (WOOH, ART!!!) so I'll be online every Sunday at least and i'll try to get online as much as possible...

I also wanted to know, come 1908 the Belgian goverment will annexe the Congo, do I just state this in my Factbook (redux coming soon) or do I make a thread or will one of the Admins do somthing? I'd like to know...

consider it noted.. have you done builds for 1906 or 1907 yet?

consider it noted.. have you done builds for 1906 or 1907 yet?

06 yes, 07 no.

06 yes, 07 no.

please do 07 and 08 builds by Monday

War in the Balkans
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11682119#post11682119

Done and done. So when does 1908 start?

Done and done. So when does 1908 start?

tuesday like always unless otherwise indicated

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11683833&postcount=18

Do not respond or comment on the above, I have notified the mods and asked that it be removed.

Is Canadstein going to switch countries to Mexico soon? If not, I'd like to have Mexico, as my plans for Greece have all gone out the window after recent unexpected events.

Is Canadstein going to switch countries to Mexico soon? If not, I'd like to have Mexico, as my plans for Greece have all gone out the window after recent unexpected events.

Mexico is going to be in civil war so players who want that country will play factions until one wins control.

Ok, I might just do that then.

Oh and France get on Chatzy.

Yeah GB said not until 1910 can we have a Mexican Revolution. Because it all started with Francisco I. Madero trying to run against Porfirio Díaz, then getting throw into jail. Afterwards he escaped and issued the Plan of San Luis Potosí that declared Díaz's regime illegal and initiated a revolution against Porfirio Díaz. So I plan on playing Francisco I. Madero's faction. Also can someone please tell me what the chazy is?

This:
http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

Oh ok. I see I see. I'll do my 1908 builds now since weekends are normally bad for me.

Sukiaida: Stop making one sentence ooc Posts on the Major Events thread and delete these two.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11682139&postcount=34

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11685626&postcount=36

Thank you.

Is there any special rules in creating a General Staff? I'd like to make one and with a military government I think they'd want one too. And stuff.

GB, you have a TG.

Is there any special rules in creating a General Staff? I'd like to make one and with a military government I think they'd want one too. And stuff.

I adjusted the military thread... you must be tech level 5 to build an HQ unit, tech level 3 to build a supply unit

essentially, once you reach tech level 5 you can create a general staff

Germany and France got to do it earlier for reasons having to do with history

AHHH ok. So can't have a General Staff til 1917. Alright. I can wait. Thanks for the info.

An International plea of support is issued by the government of Bulgaria to the major powers asking for help against the illegal aggressions by the Rumanians and the Greek.

Oh hey, I was pointed out here by Toopoxia, could I claim Denmark?

Hi, guys.

I'm back- kind of. I just found out today from the computer repair shop that my laptop has to go back to the factory for major repair related to hardware problems. However, I finally got DSL broadband, so my dad's slow computer is now hyper-fast so I can access any webpages and everything no problem at all. Thats one problem out of the way, at least.

I still can't post my builds since they are saved on my laptop, which probably won't be back until next week from the factory. I know I got enough points to complete a production center to start operation in 1907, as well as a few points for projects and other various builds.

Is there anything happening that does concern Chile? Or is 1906 still going on? Or is it 1907 now and 1908 this coming Monday? Could someone give me a skinny of what's been happening in the past week? I don't have the URL to Chatzy on my dad's laptop, so I can't go there unless someone provides me the link to it.

Hopefully the factory will fix my computer for good- I just hope all my saved data isn't erased from my laptop! I have like 60 gigabytes worth of saved stuff, like word processor files, computer games, excel spreadsheets, web prototypes, and everything. I'm hoping it'll stay intact, otherwise I'd be up the creek without a paddle.

Oh hey, I was pointed out here by Toopoxia, could I claim Denmark?

I can vouch for this guy, he's a good RPer (Despite his kicking of my ass on an offsite)

Is there anything happening that does concern Chile? Or is 1906 still going on? Or is it 1907 now and 1908 this coming Monday? Could someone give me a skinny of what's been happening in the past week? I don't have the URL to Chatzy on my dad's laptop, so I can't go there unless someone provides me the link to it.

South America's pretty peaceful. Cylea's been shipping weapons to your neighbors and those balkaneers are beating each other up.

Edit: Oh, and http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

South America's pretty peaceful. Cylea's been shipping weapons to your neighbors and those balkaneers are beating each other up.

Edit: Oh, and http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

lol, technically i gave him 9 points as well in 1906...

Well since Ethiopia is pretty much gone to hell, I guess I will take Serbia.

Well since Ethiopia is pretty much gone to hell, I guess I will take Serbia.

you can beginning 1908

Ok and how about the last two builds for Serbia?

Oh sharina.... *poke*

Want to let me in now? I did send you that TG and I have posted my declaration on this thread asking for the tiny, icy land of Norway.

Oh sharina.... *poke*

Want to let me in now? I did send you that TG and I have posted my declaration on this thread asking for the tiny, icy land of Norway.


Sure.

I can personally vouch for Samtonia, as I've seen and been in a few RP's with him from way back. He and I were in the NS version of NATO in the old days with Automagfreek, IDF, Hamptonshire, etc.

Samtonia sure knows his stuff.

Sure.

I can personally vouch for Samtonia, as I've seen and been in a few RP's with him from way back. He and I were in the NS version of NATO in the old days with Automagfreek, IDF, Hamptonshire, etc.

Samtonia sure knows his stuff.

he can be Norway effective 1908... see economic thread for builds (as I handled them for 06 and 07)

The most used European and Asian Flames of War maps are now hosted online on my image hosting service. They should be able to remain there for as long as we need them and they are very useful references.

Asia (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/worldinflamesasia.jpe)

Europe (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/worldinflameseuropemap.jpe)

EDIT: thanks go to GB for emailing them to me to upload.

I uploaded my Africa map as well:

Africa (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/africa.png)

Just in case anyone wants to mess around in the colonies.

I accidentally deleted my WiF cyberboard (online version of the board game) a couple of days back, so I will download it again and have an Americas map up as well just in case...

As I recall the WiF Americas map was pretty useless, especially in South America. Uruguay was only one hex...

As I recall the WiF Americas map was pretty useless, especially in South America. Uruguay was only one hex...

the WIF Americas maps were simply too huge a scale, so I won't be using them

I can't open the .jme files :(

In other news, because of the possibility of the war widening, slowing time down. Today is July until Midnight Pacific Time

Then it will be August

Well, this is when I was told the Balkan war would be starting :(
What's Pacific Time anyway?

Well, this is when I was told the Balkan war would be starting :(
What's Pacific Time anyway?

Time zone in California where GB lives.

For example if its 12:00 PM in Boston or NYC or Washington D.C. it will be 9 AM in California.

Well, this is when I was told the Balkan war would be starting :(
What's Pacific Time anyway?

about 8 hours behind GMT I believe

I can't open the .jme files

I'll try replacing them with PNGs later today, can you open those? If not I can put JPGs up so you can see what they look like but the quality will be poorer.

TLS hasn't done a single thing since we started. Would anyone mind If I simply took over South Africa's actions/builds until we find a replacement?

A nice post to collate all of the maps (now all PNGs).

Europe (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/europe.PNG)

Scandinavian Add On for Europe (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/scandinavia.PNG)

Asia (and Pacific) (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/asia.PNG)

Africa (http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/africa.png)


Just got them from my WiF cyberboard. The Americas map is absolutely useless (as others have said) so I am currently hunting for a replacement.

Let me know if you can't access them for some reason.

Parthini;11692678']TLS hasn't done a single thing since we started. Would anyone mind If I simply took over South Africa's actions/builds until we find a replacement?

almost sure that is because of an incapablity to post, not a lack of desire. Something does need to be done though.

I'm back now...have I missed anything important or interesting? I'm in the process of reading through the Balkan Wars thread now, but is there anything else?

GB, you have mail.

I'm back now...have I missed anything important or interesting? I'm in the process of reading through the Balkan Wars thread now, but is there anything else?

for you, likely only this

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11693034&postcount=4

almost sure that is because of an incapablity to post, not a lack of desire. Something does need to be done though.

That makes sense. However, he didn't even do his 1906 build. I will do them until we get word though.

To everyone involved in the Balkans:

Oslo Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500097)

I am afraid I can no longer afford time wise to play E20, owing to school. It has been fun, but I have no choice but to drop out. Sorry.

-Amestria

I am afraid I can no longer afford time wise to play E20, owing to school. It has been fun, but I have no choice but to drop out. Sorry.

-Amestria

Wow- this is kinda abrupt.

Hi, Toopoxia

Ummm, will you be needing me for Belgium owing to the outbreak of war? also I'll have my budget up today, I was gonna do it yesterday but I had computer/jolt problems.

Yeah.... whoa.... ummmm sorry to see you go.... ummmm...... This is sudden.

I am afraid I can no longer afford time wise to play E20, owing to school. It has been fun, but I have no choice but to drop out. Sorry.

-Amestria

Good timing...

How is it good timing?

i think that could have been sarcasm, mate...

I can't really tell with him.

the following are invited to apply for the position as France should Armestria indeed decide to pull out (I am giving her 48 hours to reconsider)

Ato-Sara
Abbessia
Elephantum
Sharina
Malkyer
Middle Snu
New Dornalia

Lightning Star would be considered but apparently can't post

In game terms, France has seen its elected government fall due to constitutional crisis and severe split between the Left and the Right. For the next few weeks following August 3, both sides attempt to woo the center.

The Right is outraged by the governments consideration of a plan to sell off colonies and its cowardly (in the view of that side) withdrawal from the alliance with Russia and feel that France is gravely dishonored.

The Left feels that going to war to defend Rumania and Greece, which blatantly attempted to conquer Bulgaria and Albania is worse then foolish, and that the alliance with Russia was contrary to the interests of the French people, and that Russia is guilty of nearly dragging France into a war without good reason.

The Center is confused (ooc, next player basically is the Center and gets to decide which view to take).

Relations with Russia plummet, and France finds itself without allies except for Italy as it tries to find a new way.

the following are invited to apply for the position as France should Armestria indeed decide to pull out (I am giving her 48 hours to reconsider)

Ato-Sara
Abbessia
Elephantum
Sharina
Malkyer
Middle Snu
New Dornalia

Lightning Star would be considered but apparently can't post

I'll leave France for one of the other nominees to play (I think Sharina would jump at the chance, or Abbassia could have a country without being invaded every few days). I don't think I could be a major power at this point in the game, nor at this point in the school year, and I'm content with what I have right now anyways (even if it is only one rented ballroom with a bunch of rich Jews in it at the moment).

I'll leave France for one of the other nominees to play (I think Sharina would jump at the chance, or Abbassia could have a country without being invaded every few days). I don't think I could be a major power at this point in the game, nor at this point in the school year, and I'm content with what I have right now anyways (even if it is only one rented ballroom with a bunch of rich Jews in it at the moment).

OOC: Same here. School, plus a keen interest in reforging China in a better image is gonna make me turn down this one. Perhaps Ato or Sharina could do it?

Though I'd suggest to Amestria (or ask someone who talks to her off site to advise) that she take over as something minor, or simply go around giving OOC input, when she has time.

OOC: Same here. School, plus a keen interest in reforging China in a better image is gonna make me turn down this one. Perhaps Ato or Sharina could do it?

I always like sticking with what I've chosen and anyway i'm finding Portugal to be quite fun.

Wow we're going through possible people who want to play France rather quickly.

i bet sharina would be interested--he has been wanting an empire builder for weeks now, and this is going to be the best avaliable i think

Sharina would most likely take the right wing view, which would be good for me.

What, you aren't going to recommend Artitsa for France?!

Cause he didn't.... And he would? Interesting. I hope a RIght Wing view would help me. No idea.

the following are invited to apply for the position as France should Armestria indeed decide to pull out (I am giving her 48 hours to reconsider)

Ato-Sara
Abbessia
Elephantum
Sharina
Malkyer
Middle Snu
New Dornalia

Lightning Star would be considered but apparently can't post

Elephantum, Ato-Sara, and New Dornalia aren't interested

but Artitsa is

of course, if Artitsa leaves Italy, then we need an Italian player and the same recommendations apply

lol. Good point. I gather we vote if more than one person accepts.

I'll take France unless Sharina would rather have it, as France is more important to E20 at the moment than little old Argentina.

Keep in mind Malkyer the sale of Madagascar was confirmed to Italy... unfortunatly it was on chatzy

..Also I may want to be France. Its your choice Malk.

If Artitsa becomes France, I would be interested in Italy.

...Also I may want to be France. Its your choice Malk.

If you want to be France, that's fine with me. It's simply that France is too important a country at this time to have as an NPC.

Alright then.. so I guess we wait for Sharina?

He's been having computer troubles, and as far as I know Amestria was the only one in contact with him. I'll send him a TG to let him know what's going on, but we may need someone to take over France in the meantime, even if Sharina wants to play it eventually.

Perhaps it would be easier to allow Artitsa to take France since Sharina's computer/Jolt access is unreliable at the moment? If so, Abbassia can take Italy, and we'll have the major European countries covered in case of a big war or something.

Ideas/suggestions?

I'll take France unless Sharina would rather have it, as France is more important to E20 at the moment than little old Argentina.

Malkyer would be my first choice based on seniority, and because Sharina is apparently continuing to have computer problems and didn't seem excited about being a European country earlier when choices were being made at during the restart process

while Malkyer missed out on choices due to his being unavoidedly absent

Middle Snu would also be excellent, as would Abbessina, both neither have as much playing time in this RP as Sharina and Malkyer, and seniority should count for something in my opinion.

however, I can live with Artitsa taking France and Abbasia taking Italy as an option.

I still want to know if Middle Snu wants either though

Malkyer would be my first choice based on seniority, and because Sharina is apparently continuing to have computer problems and didn't seem excited about being a European country earlier when choices were being made at during the restart process

while Malkyer missed out on choices due to his being unavoidedly absent

Middle Snu would also be excellent, as would Abbessina, both neither have as much playing time in this RP as Sharina and Malkyer, and seniority should count for something in my opinion.

Juh? So you want me to stay as Italy...

Malkyer would be my first choice based on seniority, and because Sharina is apparently continuing to have computer problems and didn't seem excited about being a European country earlier when choices were being made at during the restart process

while Malkyer missed out on choices due to his being unavoidedly absent

Middle Snu would also be excellent, as would Abbessina, both neither have as much playing time in this RP as Sharina and Malkyer, and seniority should count for something in my opinion.

however, I can live with Artitsa taking France and Abbasia taking Italy as an option.

I still want to know if Middle Snu wants either though

see above artitsa

I have seniority too *shakes fist*

Malkyer would be my first choice based on seniority, and because Sharina is apparently continuing to have computer problems and didn't seem excited about being a European country earlier when choices were being made at during the restart process

while Malkyer missed out on choices due to his being unavoidedly absent

I've actually been thinking about it over the past few minutes (it gives me something to do instead of writing an English paper), and if Artitsa won't explode then I'd like to try my hand at France.

I've actually been thinking about it over the past few minutes (it gives me something to do instead of writing an English paper), and if Artitsa won't explode then I'd like to try my hand at France.

Malkyer could get online for a sec

I have seniority too *shakes fist*

true, but you got to become a major power last game, while Malkyer didn't and you are a major power now.

Which is why I recommended him ahead of you

besides, I want to see if you really will explode.. (chuckle)

So Malkyer, left or right?

If he explodes, I'm not cleaning it up.

So Malkyer, left or right?

I don't know...I'll have read up on my French history, and read over Amestria's thread to see what she changed.

Expect a new French thread later tonight or sometime tomorrow afternoon. I'll post the link here.

Welcome as France then. As your neighbor on the continent, I uhhh welcome you I guess.

I believe I will at least clean up what I left for Malkyer in the event I do decide to go through with it all.

the following are invited to apply for the position as France should Armestria indeed decide to pull out (I am giving her 48 hours to reconsider)

Abbessia
Sharina
Malkyer
Middle Snu
Artitsa

Lightning Star would be considered but apparently can't post

at the moment I am inclined to recommend Malkyer (for reasons previously explained)

however, remember, Armestria still gets 42 more hours to reconsider

Do you need another player? If not, if a spot comes open add me to the list and/or consider me intersetted in the next game.

Also, have you all ever though about using an off site forum? It would be easier to maintian and find everything. I know I'm not involved in the game, but I could make one for you all.

Also, have you all ever though about using an off site forum? It would be easier to maintian and find everything. I know I'm not involved in the game, but I could make one for you all.

The debate about an offsite forum has been brought up and shot down a number of times for the same reason. Using jolt attracts potential new members. Case in point...

Mmm...very good point. lol

Hi... I would just like to say I have looked at this and I am interested in participating.

Yes, I know it is a bit late but here is a potential new member

Before we move on, I would like to lodge a complaint.

My entire Balkan plan hinged on the AHE and Germany not interfereing. All indicators pointed to them NOT. There was nothing about the Austro-Hungarians making relations with the Bulgarians. Nothing about the Germans, either. I had no indication of their motives. I, on the other hand (and probably foolishly) went through my planning and talking with my proxies in character.

I would like to move that all secret plans, all behind the back diplomatic talks be told to the mods so that other nations have a chance to pick up on them with their intelligence service, just like in real life. That's how Germany picked up on me. I, However, despite my intelligence service, could pick up nothing from Germany.

It simply seems slightly unfair. I'm willing to let this go. But I maintain that I was given a raw deal because I did everythign IC. I talked IC. However, Austria Hungary, Germany, and Bulgaria did not. I was not allowed a chance, as Germany was, to pick up on things. I asked if my intel had any indication of a German reaction. I was virtually blind.

That's all I have to say. Thank you.

I'm able to access Jolt on my dad's laptop since last Friday when I got DSL service. I'm still waiting for my laptop to come back from repairs at the factory (they told me they had to replace a graphics card or something as my laptop monitor keeps getting fuzzied up all the time).

Anyways, computer stuff aside, I'd like to add my opinion on the France thing.

I'd recommend Malkyer as he played South Africa (not exactly a world power) and he deserves the chance to play a "world power" at least once.

I don't want to play in Europe right now, because of all the messes in there and I probably won't be able to keep track of them all. However, I may be willing to play an European nation later on, if Chile doesn't do much between now and then.

Bazalonia and Hosagovinia:

We always have places open for interested new players. I think the list of playable countries stands at the following at the moment:

Albania (includes Macedonia and Kosovo)
Denmark
Norway
Serbia
Imperial China
Persia

Plus Argentina is probably about to become free shortly as well (if Malkyer goes for France).

Are there any nations of teh above list you are interested in? If you are still interested it helps being accepted if you TG Parthini a few links to any past RPs you have been involved in so he can check out your previous experience.

I gather Hosagovinia you are fairly new to this and won't have any previous RPs but we can still let you have a go, on a trial period at one of the smaller countries before becoming a full member. In the meantime I suggest you check out your chosen nations history and the Military and Economic threads (links on front page of this thread).

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GB can you link my sea zones map on the front page with the others please (link: http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png). Thanks.

Bazalonia and Hosagovinia:

We always have places open for interested new players. I think the list of playable countries stands at the following at the moment:

Albania (includes Macedonia and Kosovo)
Denmark
Norway
Serbia
Imperial China
Persia

Plus Argentina is probably about to become free shortly as well (if Malkyer goes for France).

Are there any nations of teh above list you are interested in? If you are still interested it helps being accepted if you TG Parthini a few links to any past RPs you have been involved in so he can check out your previous experience.

I gather Hosagovinia you are fairly new to this and won't have any previous RPs but we can still let you have a go, on a trial period at one of the smaller countries before becoming a full member. In the meantime I suggest you check out your chosen nations history and the Military and Economic threads (links on front page of this thread).

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GB can you link my sea zones map on the front page with the others please (link: http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png). Thanks.

Samtonia is playing Norway, LR.

I'm willing to have more new players in E20- after all, fresh blood is always a great thing! Maybe you could grant those small NPC's to the 2 new players, then once they get the hang of it after a RL month or two (and if they prove themselves) then they can move up to the bigger nations like Argentina or Persia.

Just my 2 cents.

I would prefer Imperial China remain NPC for now also

Argentina is indeed available as Malkyer will be taking over France

to get things moving again I am going to assume the following:

1. France spends the rest of 1907 in political disarray (Malkyer takes over in 1908)
2. Rumania and Greece pull out of Bulgaria, and along with Serbia remain in talks with Germany and Austria to comply with their demands.
3. Everyone demobilizes their reserves for now

1908 starts today
talks in Oslo continue

Are we going to speed 1908 so we can be in 1909 by next Tuesday?

Are we going to speed 1908 so we can be in 1909 by next Tuesday?

regular time schedule unless something major comes up

Gotcha.

stuff

I'm almost inclined to agree, but its almost to monitor and evaluate every single correspondence, on AIM, TG, Chatzy, or however they talk. I personally wouldn't want to keep track of it all. Besides, if someone doesn't follow it then they get free intel while they continue plotting.

New French Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500187). And yes, I know "deux" is spelled wrong. I don't speak French.

lol. THat's alright. By the way, I gather I can build a Naval Base on the Canaries and a Naval Yard on the Balaeric Islands. I believe they have nice deep harbors that'd allow that.

I would like Albania, and if not then Denmark.

And on me being new, this account is new, I was foremely Titawon, but did not RP much on the jolt forums. I role-play mostly on Europeanaffairs.de and a site and RP created by myself, NSEurope 1943. I can dig up some links if you wish. Oh, and on both those sites, I'm Hosagovinia. :)

Before we move on, I would like to lodge a complaint.

My entire Balkan plan hinged on the AHE and Germany not interfereing. All indicators pointed to them NOT. There was nothing about the Austro-Hungarians making relations with the Bulgarians. Nothing about the Germans, either. I had no indication of their motives. I, on the other hand (and probably foolishly) went through my planning and talking with my proxies in character.

I would like to move that all secret plans, all behind the back diplomatic talks be told to the mods so that other nations have a chance to pick up on them with their intelligence service, just like in real life. That's how Germany picked up on me. I, However, despite my intelligence service, could pick up nothing from Germany.

It simply seems slightly unfair. I'm willing to let this go. But I maintain that I was given a raw deal because I did everythign IC. I talked IC. However, Austria Hungary, Germany, and Bulgaria did not. I was not allowed a chance, as Germany was, to pick up on things. I asked if my intel had any indication of a German reaction. I was virtually blind.

That's all I have to say. Thank you.

A few things Kilani:

1. Only a few nations has an intelligence service currently

2. Germany and A-H played a very quiet game, and didn't reveal their plans until Safehaven revealed somethings to Amestria which may or may not have caused the war to be averted.

3. Some things in history do come out of the blue

4. The things we did (discuss war) and what you did (mobilize and make war plans) made it easier for us to discover what you were doing.

5. The Balkan war was actually something that came up, and speaking as someone who knew what was going on, they had no idea when the war was going to start

Is Argentina avialable now?

Also, does their happen to be links to all the rule threads?

Are we in 1908 yet?

A few things Kilani:

1. Only a few nations has an intelligence service currently

2. Germany and A-H played a very quiet game, and didn't reveal their plans until Safehaven revealed somethings to Amestria which may or may not have caused the war to be averted.

3. Some things in history do come out of the blue

4. The things we did (discuss war) and what you did (mobilize and make war plans) made it easier for us to discover what you were doing.

5. The Balkan war was actually something that came up, and speaking as someone who knew what was going on, they had no idea when the war was going to start

1) Yes, but I DO have one.

2) I didn't exactly reveal my plans either. I spoke to the countries IC. But everything else was strictly OOC (i.e. on Chatzy).

3) But there are usually indicators. It's not like the US didn't have indications about Pearl Harbor...

4) Russia didn't mobilize until after Germany and the AHE

1) Yes, but I DO have one.

2) I didn't exactly reveal my plans either. I spoke to the countries IC. But everything else was strictly OOC (i.e. on Chatzy).

3) But there are usually indicators. It's not like the US didn't have indications about Pearl Harbor...

4) Russia didn't mobilize until after Germany and the AHE

1. Intel agencies are new, and a lot of yours is still cracking doiwn on dissent after the 1905 revolution and the survivng dissenters, or watching the Rumanian invasion.

2. And much of the discussions we had was OOC, trying to come up with ideas and such

3. You didn't think my refusal of your and France's offers which were very good and indicator? Or Bulgaria signing NAP's with OE and A-H, or recieving aid from A-H?

4. That still brings us around to the fact we had an overall idea, but weren't sure when the idea when it would prevent itself. All of that was OOC

Someone suggested to me that I could play as Argentina. In light of that suggestion, I was wondering if I could have players opinions on whether to switch from Chile to Argentina or stay as Chile?

Someone suggested to me that I could play as Argentina. In light of that suggestion, I was wondering if I could have players opinions on whether to switch from Chile to Argentina or stay as Chile?

I would suggest taking Argentina

in regards to Kilani, I was aware of most of what was coming your way, and determined that French and Siamese plans remained hidden, and German plans did as well. I did leak some indicators out, and Armestria might have seen them and not realized there importance.

Sometimes strategic surprises do happen.

I would like Albania, and if not then Denmark.

And on me being new, this account is new, I was foremely Titawon, but did not RP much on the jolt forums. I role-play mostly on Europeanaffairs.de and a site and RP created by myself, NSEurope 1943. I can dig up some links if you wish. Oh, and on both those sites, I'm Hosagovinia. :)

Just tg me a link with stuff you had an I'll see what's up.

Someone suggested to me that I could play as Argentina. In light of that suggestion, I was wondering if I could have players opinions on whether to switch from Chile to Argentina or stay as Chile?

I also suggest Argentina--rather strongly in fact. It would be much easier on me from an OOC and IC standpoint.

I also suggest Argentina--rather strongly in fact. It would be much easier on me from an OOC and IC standpoint.

What IC and OOC standpoint? You can TG me the details.

Looks like I'll be Argentina- GB even suggested I take it, so I might as well go for it.

Now what I need is the Argentinian builds for 1907, military lists, and stuff so I can get Argentina ready for 1908.

I can't seem to be able to get to your nation page PArthinia, so i shall expose my RP to everyone I guess. I'm going to be Hosagovinia in all of these. For the record, the NSEurope 1943 site you'll see was made by me, and I happen to be the head admin.

A dimplomacy RP I just finished:
http://www.europeanaffairs.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=153607#153607

My first and only war (>.<)
http://www.europeanaffairs.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5441

My crappy news thread:
http://www.europeanaffairs.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5643

Probaly my best (and longest) RP post ever:
http://nseurope1943.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=997&mforum=nseurope1943#997

More dimplomacy:
http://nseurope1943.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=561&mforum=nseurope1943

Yet more dimplomacy:
http://nseurope1943.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=231&mforum=nseurope1943

Thats probaly enough. As you may (or may not see) I have spouts of brilance, mixed in with sometimes lack luster performances. Sorry I couldn't telegram you, I have problems with jolt and the NS site.

I would like Albania, and if not then Denmark.

And on me being new, this account is new, I was foremely Titawon, but did not RP much on the jolt forums. I role-play mostly on Europeanaffairs.de and a site and RP created by myself, NSEurope 1943. I can dig up some links if you wish. Oh, and on both those sites, I'm Hosagovinia. :)

Hey, I want to be danish. (I don't care what flavour)

being a brother to the queen of England, the King of Greece and can't remember the title but queen-equivalent for Russia is cool by me.

Partini. TG will be incoming with a couple of RP links....

Just confirming some stuff for Denmark.

1. It gets 7 resources (6 from Copenhagen + 1 from Greenland)?
2. The 2.3 million pop includes all territories listed?
3. For a free market the only way to get a production centre is by getting a 1 growth?
4. Also should I do 1906, 1907 & 1908 builds?
[edit]5. And what about population growh how will that occur?

Also the link to the economy thread only links to the first post, not the whole thread which provides explanation of the situation.

Well, my tag on here is [NS]Parthini, but my actual nation is just Parthini. Don't ask.

Anyway, Hos you look like a good candidate but it's pretty much up to the rest of the crew as to what country you get.

Parthini;11705713']Well, my tag on here is [NS]Parthini, but my actual nation is just Parthini. Don't ask.

Anyway, Hos you look like a good candidate but it's pretty much up to the rest of the crew as to what country you get.

I tried searching that on the World, but to no avail. Ah well, you got the links.

Awesome, I'm excited to get to play. :)

Now, questions on some rules. I need to make a post in the military thread detailing my forces? I needs a news and dimplomacy thread, which acts like a factbook to an extent? And by what day do I need to have my production in? Also, the only rules I saw were in teh Economics thread, is there anything else? and is their like a master world map?

Thanks for allowing me to play guys, I hope for Albania, but anything will do. :)

Hey, I want to be danish. (I don't care what flavour)

being a brother to the queen of England, the King of Greece and can't remember the title but queen-equivalent for Russia is cool by me.

Partini. TG will be incoming with a couple of RP links....

Just confirming some stuff for Denmark.

1. It gets 7 resources (6 from Copenhagen + 1 from Greenland)?
2. The 2.3 million pop includes all territories listed?
3. For a free market the only way to get a production centre is by getting a 1 growth?
4. Also should I do 1906, 1907 & 1908 builds?
[edit]5. And what about population growh how will that occur?

Also the link to the economy thread only links to the first post, not the whole thread which provides explanation of the situation.


yes to all questions except for builds.... I did the 06-07 builds, and will do your 08 to get you started

some things occured recently in Danish history... it signed a basing agreement with the Americans in exchange for getting a production center from them (basically US loan guarantees and credits in game terms) and sold the Virgin Islands to the Americans

I will be posting Denmark builds tomorrow in the economic thread, along with the other NPCs I deal with

population includes Greenland and Iceland, and is at historic population growth figures... see economic thread for the link to the site that is used for reference purposes

Inuit population of Greenland isn't included, but wouldn't add much to it anyway, and at this point in history the Inuit add no economic value and need no services

I tried searching that on the World, but to no avail. Ah well, you got the links.

Awesome, I'm excited to get to play. :)

Now, questions on some rules. I need to make a post in the military thread detailing my forces? I needs a news and dimplomacy thread, which acts like a factbook to an extent? And by what day do I need to have my production in? Also, the only rules I saw were in teh Economics thread, is there anything else? and is their like a master world map?

Thanks for allowing me to play guys, I hope for Albania, but anything will do. :)

I will do Albanian builds for 1908 however so that losses from the recent Balkan War can be factored in

yes to all questions except for builds.... I did the 06-07 builds, and will do your 08 to get you started

some things occured recently in Danish history... it signed a basing agreement with the Americans in exchange for getting a production center from them (basically US loan guarantees and credits in game terms) and sold the Virgin Islands to the Americans

I will be posting Denmark builds tomorrow in the economic thread, along with the other NPCs I deal with

population includes Greenland and Iceland, and is at historic population growth figures... see economic thread for the link to the site that is used for reference purposes

Inuit population of Greenland isn't included, but wouldn't add much to it anyway, and at this point in history the Inuit add no economic value and need no services

I'll do some more research on Denmark and start the News Discussion thread Once I get the '08 build.

On another note.. As of the 07 build. Having spent 4.5 points and having 8 points incoming (7 resources + commerce). What is game-wise happening to the 3.5 that is not being spent? A massive govt surplus?

Also since I'm getting the production centre and have lvl 2 spending will that immeadiately mean the Denmark will be a "Level 4"?

Sharina, the Argentine military and builds as of 1907 can be found in the Argentine Thread, located here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497578).

You'll be getting a Battle Cruiser from Britain and 4 Light Cruisers from the US at the end of 1908, by the way,

I have a question.

Can I alter Argentina's 1908 build a bit? There's a couple of things I'd like to change.

Welcome Argentina. ANd guess the Islands are approved.

E20 is going to have to be put on a side burner by me for a while i'm afraid. I have a lot of forms and things to sort out for going to university on Sunday and then I have a pretty full first few days to sort out. I figure I should be back to full operations by this time next week though.

Thanks

I think we can last as long as no major wars break out in 1908. So I suppose rest easy. I am going to a Con in Atlanta tommorow, so can't be on then either.

E20 is going to have to be put on a side burner by me for a while i'm afraid. I have a lot of forms and things to sort out for going to university on Sunday and then I have a pretty full first few days to sort out. I figure I should be back to full operations by this time next week though.

Thanks

I take it GB will be handing the secret plans and war stuff between now and then? Just wondering as E20'ers may have secret intel and secret plans they want to do in 1908.

I take it GB will be handing the secret plans and war stuff between now and then? Just wondering as E20'ers may have secret intel and secret plans they want to do in 1908.

that would be correct

Here's my new Argentina news thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500463

E20 is going to have to be put on a side burner by me for a while i'm afraid. I have a lot of forms and things to sort out for going to university on Sunday and then I have a pretty full first few days to sort out. I figure I should be back to full operations by this time next week though.

Thanks

I too have been beliegered by various affairs in my personal life and, as a result, probably won't be able to post any major developments until the weekend (or late Friday at the earliest).

So for those of you still waiting on my budgets for 1907 and 1908, do not worry for I will have them finished very soon.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500483

Danish thread... posted

Just Wondering appart from the German/English/US Naval base usage. What treaties are currently in force?

Albania thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500441

I can barely find any information on Albania, and I was wondering what my relations are like, from when I was an NPC. As far as I can tell, from what I have found, I think currently I am a monarchy, but could I technically be whatever I wanted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_Albania


Here are a few links... not sure home many of them will be helpful but there you go.

Most of the wiki stuff I saw, thanks for the help though :) I shall look through them again. From what I gather from there though, Albania doesn't become a country until right before WWI. Maybe I read it wrong.

Most of the wiki stuff I saw, thanks for the help though :) I shall look through them again. From what I gather from there though, Albania doesn't become a country until right before WWI. Maybe I read it wrong.

that was changed in this timeline when the ottoman empire withdrew from the Balkans early to try to maintain some internal stability. Albania should exist and also (i think) controls modern ex-yugoslav repubic of macedonia and kosovo to boot.

Here is the old N/D thread when I was Albania:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11650412&posted=1#post11650412

Recent History:
Albania being an infant nation began seeking support to preserve its independance only finding it in its equally young (The Ottomans gave us independance roughly the same time) neighbor Bulgaria which signed a treaty of mutual defence and economic cooperation (the economic treaty has no effect gamewise yet).

The Bulgarians helped the Albanians build most of its army (2 Reserve infantry Corps) as opposed to its existing army (1 light infantry Brigade).

Later that year Greece, Serbia and Rumania were invited to Odessa to a conference to "discuss the Balkan Situation" where they agreed to invade Bulgaria and Albania. Fortunately the Bulgarian government got wind of this and passed on the info to the Albanians and together were able to avoid being caught by surprise.

Although this wasn't enough, as the Rumanians and Greek continued to steadily gain ground at high costs to both sides. Bulgaria then appealed for help from Austria-Hungary to fight this Russian sponsered Aggression.

With Austria's threat to intervene and Germany's support the Russians backed down and Rumania negotiated terms, Meanwhile the Greek still occupy half of Albania and are refusing to back down.

So a general war might still happen. By the way, did Amestria take over France again? I am confused.

So a general war might still happen. By the way, did Amestria take over France again? I am confused.

Nope. Malkyer = France now.

I was wondering if I might be able to join, as Imperial Persia, perhaps. However, my main problem is that, despite watching E20 grow and thrive for months (yes, I read all the threads, even before the re-start) I have been unable to grasp exactly how you "do" national actions. I know you RP them, but what do you do? How does GB exactly tell you what to do? Please help me out. (oh, and in case you need RP links here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442037) are (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452650) some. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490459) [another one!]) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495544)

I was wondering if I might be able to join, as Imperial Persia, perhaps. However, my main problem is that, despite watching E20 grow and thrive for months (yes, I read all the threads, even before the re-start) I have been unable to grasp exactly how you "do" national actions. I know you RP them, but what do you do? How does GB exactly tell you what to do? Please help me out. (oh, and in case you need RP links here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442037) are (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452650) some. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490459) [another one!]) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495544)

By National Actions do you mean invasions and such, or economic builds?

By National Actions do you mean invasions and such, or economic builds?

Invasion and such.

Invasion and such.

Here's how it goes down. If you want to invade a nation, you would TG or e-mail GB with your orders. For example, if I was Argentina and wanted to invade Brazil, I might say:

3 Infantry Corps- advance toward Rio de Janerio
2 Cavalry Divisions- sweep through Paraguay
2 Battleships, 3 Protected Cruisers, 1 Destroyer Unit- find and destroy the Brazilian navy

Just give an outline of what you want them to do and GB does the rest

Oh, good, that was what I had thought. Thanks for clarifying that up, Haneastic. So, I'm formally submitting my interest in joining.

Oh, good, that was what I had thought. Thanks for clarifying that up, Haneastic. So, I'm formally submitting my interest in joining.

I think Persia is closed for the moment (as it's basically controlled by Britain and Russia), but there are a few nations open, and Persia should open up eventually (but ask GB for that info)

I was wondering if I might be able to join, as Imperial Persia, perhaps. However, my main problem is that, despite watching E20 grow and thrive for months (yes, I read all the threads, even before the re-start) I have been unable to grasp exactly how you "do" national actions. I know you RP them, but what do you do? How does GB exactly tell you what to do? Please help me out. (oh, and in case you need RP links here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442037) are (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452650) some. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490459) [another one!]) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495544)

I am ok with you being Persia, just remember, you have to deal with the Russians and British, and maintain a delicate balance between them, not to mention the Turks

As far as determining events goes, I get orders from people saying they want to do things. Sometimes this involves military action, sometimes other interaction. I use various wargames, my own judgement and some random determination depending on what we are doing and the conditions. I usually let actual history take its course unless player actions have changed the conditions, or sometimes a random roll is used for natural disasters to prevent players from knowing exactly what year a major flood or earthquake occurs, as the real people involved had no such warning

I think Persia is closed for the moment (as it's basically controlled by Britain and Russia), but there are a few nations open, and Persia should open up eventually (but ask GB for that info)

I guess if you wanted to be Persia then you would be forced to listen to me and Kilani, although that might not be that fun...

I suppose...there don't seem to be any other nations open though...would it be possible to RP, say, a rebellion in Persia? Or perhaps peacefully-voiced Islamist opposition to the "foreign powers"?

I suppose...there don't seem to be any other nations open though...would it be possible to RP, say, a rebellion in Persia? Or perhaps peacefully-voiced Islamist opposition to the "foreign powers"?

Persia is going thou a period of civil unrest at this time period which lead to a rebellion which overthrew the shah in rl...but it was crushed by the Russians back forces in rl....get on MSN...I'll help you out.

Thanks for the info guys. How is my economy, army, and builds now?

Thanks for the info guys. How is my economy, army, and builds now?

Ask GB for that info...I belive he was handling the builds, wasn't he?

Thanks for the info guys. How is my economy, army, and builds now?

I wasn't handling Albanian 1907 builds, check with Abessia

I wasn't handling Albanian 1907 builds, check with Abessia

erm... didn't you say I was only allowed to handle Albanian builds for 1906 only? I remember there was some sort of fuss about it from Amsteria, something about Bulgaria not being allowed to give points to Albania or something...

Are there any real nations left. Wait whose Canada?

Are there any real nations left. Wait whose Canada?

lachenburg

GB, have you seen my latest TG?

Could we establish embassies in each others nations, or is it assumed everyone has an embassy in everyone elses nations? Becuase I know smaller nations, such as Albania, could only afford to maitian a few embassies abroad.

We can have embassy exchanges.

We can have embassy exchanges.

Hmm...I was thinking maybe they could cost like .1 points to maintian or something, but I also think thats a little ridiculous.

Could we establish embassies in each others nations, or is it assumed everyone has an embassy in everyone elses nations? Becuase I know smaller nations, such as Albania, could only afford to maitian a few embassies abroad.

its assumed, and the cost is minimal to the point of not being worth keeping track of

can't currently read TG's, so GB I'm not sure your response to my HQ question, if you could e-mail me that would be great

Also, might I suggest we update the available nations? Qarta seems to have left, and there may be others not around

can't currently read TG's, so GB I'm not sure your response to my HQ question, if you could e-mail me that would be great

Also, might I suggest we update the available nations? Qarta seems to have left, and there may be others not around

available date for an HQ is July 1909 at the earliest due to construction time requirements (assuming funded start of 1909), March if started in August 1908
Theater supply units require less time, May and January respectively.

I will look at active players next week

available date for an HQ is July 1909 at the earliest due to construction time requirements (assuming funded start of 1909), March if started in August 1908
Theater supply units require less time, May and January respectively.

I will look at active players next week

2 HQ's and a Theater Supply Unit being built in 1909 (although If I'm allowed to get them loaned then I get them earlier)

Isn't tomorrow Jan/Feb of 1909?

Isn't tomorrow Jan/Feb of 1909?

Tuesday is

But our builds for 1909 are due Monday I gather. Will put mine up.

The reason the House of Bernadotte did not attend the Kristiania Conference was for mourning the death of King Oscar II and we had to send Mr. Klas Pontus Arnoldson instead of a royal...

GB, you have a telegram. And mail, just to make sure.

doing some editing today on who has what country

editing is complete

I have concerns about the following

The Kingdom of Belgium ~
Thiomalea
The Kingdom of Netherlands ~
Warta Endor

I haven't seen either on line for a couple of weeks, nor builds. Will give them until the end of this week, and may take over their builds if something comes up

OOH not good.

GB, I sent you an email.

I need to know the population of my remaining colonies so that I can see militia levies.

TG, coming your way GB

I might leave E20. Its not sour grapes, I'm just finding peoples' interpretation of European Politics quite untenable.

Could you elaborate?

Just a general lack of knowledge about how Europe was in that time. Things like the Great Game, and the Scramble for Africa are being avoided as much as possible, and in its place, unrealistic alliances are being set up. Britain and France are trying to get in Germany's good books just to avoid a devastating war which happened in RL. Perhaps hindsight is what fuels this, but that takes the fun out of it. For example, in RL, UK and France would not have sat back and let Germany threaten other countries, especially pro-UK ones such as myself, regardless of whether they started the war or not. And Russia actually had a spine back then as well. Also, Italy would have gotten involved, but Artitsa doesn't seem to be active at all anymore.
I'm not tarnishing everyone with the same brush, but there are a few, who I think aren't playing it realistically, and are just using hindsight from what historically happened, to make unrealistic decisions to protect their nation.

MMMM well I think current France isn't responcible for the last player. Malkyler is dealing with someone else having his country beforehand.

Perhaps players are simply being more rational than they were in real life. Germany sees that it can't piss of Britain, Russia is backing off because of still simmering domestic problems (and in RL they did back down). The scramble for Africa hasn't died, there have been slight shifts in territory. France damaged itself with its actions, and its government collapse is quite possible and likely, as is the shifting of alliances to accomodate (although Britain didn't join the Entente until 1907 in RL and didn't do it this timeline, they signed the Anglo-Japanese alliance in RL because they were wary of Russian territorial expansions)

Just a general lack of knowledge about how Europe was in that time. Things like the Great Game, and the Scramble for Africa are being avoided as much as possible, and in its place, unrealistic alliances are being set up. Britain and France are trying to get in Germany's good books just to avoid a devastating war which happened in RL. Perhaps hindsight is what fuels this, but that takes the fun out of it. For example, in RL, UK and France would not have sat back and let Germany threaten other countries, especially pro-UK ones such as myself, regardless of whether they started the war or not. And Russia actually had a spine back then as well. Also, Italy would have gotten involved, but Artitsa doesn't seem to be active at all anymore.
I'm not tarnishing everyone with the same brush, but there are a few, who I think aren't playing it realistically, and are just using hindsight from what historically happened, to make unrealistic decisions to protect their nation.

The Russians backed down in a similar situation in the early 20th.

And SPain always remained neutral even when a dozen people thought they would go to war. Soooo it's not far fetched. Not to mention SPain never really got involved in the Balkans anyways.

The Anglo-French Entente was merely an understanding for Britain and France to stay out of each other's hair colonially. I have no reason to try to be friends with them, since we've been mortal enemies for 700 years.

Russia, after having gotten whooped by Japan is not going to take on Austria and Germany by itself. Until France dropped out of the alliance, Russia was ready to fight.

Britain, after having worked out the naval situation has no reason to fight Germany. In fact, up until Germany invaded Belgium, Germany and Britain were relatively friendly. And I am being weary of Germany invading Greece and I am making contingency plans. However, Britain is not going to get involved in a continental war over some little Balkan country, especially one that is just being stubborn.

Yeah in truth Greece isn't the focal point. Now if Serbia were invaded that'd be a different story. Russia would have to respond due to SLavic unity and as the protector of Serbian nationalism. Remember that it was a domino effect with Serbia. Greece isn't the first Domino like Serbia is.

ANd yeah Belgium Clinched it for the British. Though German aggression will have an adverse effect. In truth it scares Spain. Because Germany is France's enemy through and through, and once Germany got through France, Spain is just next door. And SPain is small population wise compared to Germany. So believe me, there are certain underscored situations here.

MMMM well I think current France isn't responcible for the last player. Malkyler is dealing with someone else having his country beforehand.
Hmm...I bear no grudge against Malkyer, but I do not wish to pass judgement on Amestria.
Perhaps players are simply being more rational than they were in real life. Germany sees that it can't piss of Britain, Russia is backing off because of still simmering domestic problems (and in RL they did back down). The scramble for Africa hasn't died, there have been slight shifts in territory. France damaged itself with its actions, and its government collapse is quite possible and likely, as is the shifting of alliances to accomodate (although Britain didn't join the Entente until 1907 in RL and didn't do it this timeline, they signed the Anglo-Japanese alliance in RL because they were wary of Russian territorial expansions)
This is what spoils it for me, players being more rational. In those days, national pride meant a lot more, and countries took a lot more risks. But I do understand your point, and there is little that can be done about it.
The Russians backed down in a similar situation in the early 20th.
Please elaborate? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just wish to know more. Background knowledge is always helpful. =)
And SPain always remained neutral even when a dozen people thought they would go to war. Soooo it's not far fetched. Not to mention SPain never really got involved in the Balkans anyways.
I'm glad you didn't get involved, you'd have left a mess =P
Parthini;11739811']The Anglo-French Entente was merely an understanding for Britain and France to stay out of each other's hair colonially. I have no reason to try to be friends with them, since we've been mortal enemies for 700 years.

Russia, after having gotten whooped by Japan is not going to take on Austria and Germany by itself. Until France dropped out of the alliance, Russia was ready to fight.

Britain, after having worked out the naval situation has no reason to fight Germany. In fact, up until Germany invaded Belgium, Germany and Britain were relatively friendly. And I am being weary of Germany invading Greece and I am making contingency plans. However, Britain is not going to get involved in a continental war over some little Balkan country, especially one that is just being stubborn.
France and UK had a common enemy: Germany. That is what made them friendly. Russia could have quickly destroyed Austria, especially with Serbian help. I did not say you had to fight Germany, but your friend Sir Edward Grey mediated the end of the RL Balkan War, and your King often went out of his way to help my little Balkan country.

[QUOTE=Sukiaida;11739853]Yeah in truth Greece isn't the focal point. Now if Serbia were invaded that'd be a different story. Russia would have to respond due to SLavic unity and as the protector of Serbian nationalism. Remember that it was a domino effect with Serbia. Greece isn't the first Domino like Serbia is. /QUOTE]
Not really, Russia made itself the Guardian of the Orthodox faith, and Greece, as a major Orthodox country, was under attack.

Religion was the major focal point of the 15th and 16th centuries. Ethnic binds were the major focal point of the early 20th century.

Wrong. The first Balkan War happened in RL because all the Orthodox countries united together against the Muslim Ottomans. Same thing still happens there now.

When Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia protested and for a little while made noises about attacking Austria-Hungary, and Russia seemed willing to go along. Germany sent messages to the czar telling him to back down, and that he would face Germany as well. Russia backed down

Cheers, I will read up on that. Did it (the incident) have some kind of name?

Cheers, I will read up on that. Did it (the incident) have some kind of name?

I don't think so, I'm basing that off memory from last year, so I may be off with the exact incident, but the reactions were the same

I have heard back from Warta Endor in a TG this past afternoon.

He has a lot of RL issues right now- namely University and a few other things. He is unable to participate in any RP's, and he has even gone as far as to authorize me to control his military in another RP he is involved in (Earth V).

So Warta Endor is officially withdrawn from E20 (he said it himself).

Oh well, that's not cool, but I understand. Hope he does well at university.

Cheers, I will read up on that. Did it (the incident) have some kind of name?

It happened late 1908, it was actually a deal between Russian and Ah, Ah would annex Bosnia and Russia would demand free pasage thru the straits. Austria moved early and Russia got screwed, at which point things hit the shitter...Serbia who didn't know the deal got involved exc exc. Look it up, but basically in the end Russia backed down but in an extremely bitter way, it was after this crisis(Bosnian Crisis) that Russia vowed to never back down from Germany in the Balkans again....hence WW1 5 years later.

I have heard back from Warta Endor in a TG this past afternoon.

He has a lot of RL issues right now- namely University and a few other things. He is unable to participate in any RP's, and he has even gone as far as to authorize me to control his military in another RP he is involved in (Earth V).

So Warta Endor is officially withdrawn from E20 (he said it himself).

you may either take over his country (and give up Argentina) or the Netherlands becomes an NPC

you may either take over his country (and give up Argentina) or the Netherlands becomes an NPC

Hmm. To be honest, I don't think I can manage in European politics as the Netherlands. With Argentina, I only have to worry about my neighbors like Chile or Bolivia.

Netherlands is now an NPC and available, will look at builds for it tomorrow to catch it up

will be doing the Belgian builds as well

So Belguim and the Netherlands. Don't we have a few new members?

The newest person was The Gupta Dynasty who took Persia

and before that only me and Hosagovnia (I think that's how you spell it)

Hi guys

I have just got my laptop connected to the uni's network (after many phonecalls complaining about it to IT) so I now have complete connectivity across the whole campus. I will attempt to read up on what has happened in my absence and try to catch up by the end of the day. I have an unmissable lecture in an hour and a half though (health and safety, pretty important for civil engineering!) and I need to register at the campus NHS health centre this afternoon but I expect to be caught up by this evening and you guys can start sending me schemes beginning tomorrow (Friday BST).

Cheers.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501034&highlight=Nationalist+China

New Nationalist Chinese thread

I'll take the Republic of Chile.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501370
Chile Thread