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Brilliant. Now that I'm under invasion by al-Zarqiwi, this time reincarnated in the form of President-for-Life Pavelic of the Fascist Republic of Kravania, what's Halberdgardia gonna do?

Amestria, TG.

Replied.

Brilliant. Now that I'm under invasion by al-Zarqiwi, this time reincarnated in the form of President-for-Life Pavelic of the Fascist Republic of Kravania, what's Halberdgardia gonna do?

Laugh in your face?

BTW: Don't be so worried, Kravania is in Eastern Europe (roughly) and South East Asia is in South East Asia... It would take IC months for his troops to get into a position to attack you.

A greater threat would be missile attacks with chemical weapons...

Thankfully I have SDI systems. I was worried that Kravania was nearby. Oh well, nothing like a combination of good prose and NS technology to cream Saharistan, who can be beaten by practically anyone that has diplomatic finesse, good military skills and superior rp! Even Stoddenia could've kicked the crap outta him despite the fact he had no armed forces whatsoever, only a civil home guard!

Don't be so cocky, Saharistan has a record of leaving a lot of bodies behind...

I know. But that's the only real damage he can do, WMDs....other than that, he's pretty much a joke at conventional weaponry anyway. You could easily beat the crap out of him Amestria.

Oh well, nothing like a combination of good prose and NS technology to cream Saharistan, who can be beaten by practically anyone that has diplomatic finesse, good military skills and superior rp! Even Stoddenia could've kicked the crap outta him despite the fact he had no armed forces whatsoever, only a civil home guard!
So very dismissive...

Let's not forget that at one stage in that conflict (before the High Ecclesiarchy became involved) Kravania had succeeded in garnering a significant coalition which threatened to invade Stoddenia based on completely fabricated lies. I think you are much too confident.

what's Halberdgardia gonna do?
No doubt he will stand back and watch in awe as PM Neo works his political genius...

Was that meant in snide cynicism, Xirnium?

I know. But that's the only real damage he can do, WMDs....other than that, he's pretty much a joke at conventional weaponry anyway.


Insteed of crowing OOC on your opinion of his failings, how about you make an IC post on your nations response to the declaration of war and the preparation for that war...

Was that meant in snide cynicism, Xirnium?

No...:rolleyes:

So very dismissive...

Let's not forget that at one stage in that conflict (before the High Ecclesiarchy became involved) Kravania had succeeded in garnering a significant coalition which threatened to invade Stoddenia based on completely fabricated lies. I think you are much too confident.


If it wasn't for me that Coalition would have attacked.

Let me make an OOC thread labeled

Kravania attacks all his enemies OOC thread

Does that sound right?

Ah yes. I need to work on my order of battle. But with McKagan (secret ICly), Leafanistan and The Lone Alliance pretty much beating him hard, I wouldn't join the dog-pile.

If it wasn't for me that Coalition would have attacked.

Let me make an OOC thread labeled

Kravania attacks all his enemies OOC thread

Does that sound right?

Yeah, but

Kravania attacks all his enemies, real and imagined, OOC thread

Sounds better...

Xirnium: TG

What do you mean by 'real and imagined' Amestria?

What do you mean by 'real and imagined' Amestria?

Did you read his IC declaration of war on you?

Xirnium: TG
I am not sure I received it, could you please re-send it?

Yes, I did. I was wondering why it was neccessary to the 'real and imagined' part in, as it doesn't matter whether it's a real or imagined foe, as he makes too many opponents anyway.

Yes, I did. I was wondering why it was neccessary to the 'real and imagined' part in, as it doesn't matter whether it's a real or imagined foe, as he makes too many opponents anyway.
It's a reference to the paranoid and delusional nature of Kravania's dictatorship.

I am not sure I received it, could you please re-send it?

Re-sent.

It's obvious from his history and posts that he doesn't change that aspect of his dictatorships. So no need for that. And OOCly X, what do you think of my characters?

And OOCly X, what do you think of my characters?
To be honest I've simply not seen them RPed enough to have any opinion about your characters.

To be honest I've simply not seen them RPed enough to have any opinion about your characters.

SEA has characters?

If it wasn't for me that Coalition would have attacked.
As I recall, it was not only Lone Alliance (which played a huge role, later taking on Hataria) but also Sigma Octavis, Yallak and others which helped to keep the wolves at bay while the coalition was preparing to strike.

It was, however, right after Xirnium proved the allegations to be lies that the coalition collapsed, and nations like Roach-Busters and Banduria decided that they would cease their hostile intentions.

SEA has characters?
Governments and national leaders of nation-states do count as characters being rp'ed.

It's obvious from his history and posts that he doesn't change that aspect of his dictatorships.

That's not true. Although the core foundation remains the same (crazy nutcase rightwing fascist dictatorships), the top elements change. For example, he has RPed on one end of the spectrum Islamist Theocratic States and at the other Totalitarian Militaristic Christian Fundamentalist States.

His current nation of Kravania is based off the Fascist States of Eastern Europe... He does however need to update his rhetoric; the "communist gangster conspiracy" stuff has gotten really old... He needs to try a change in ideological justfication/style of argument...

And although some of his characters may be al-Zarqiwi clones (all-right, most of them), I don't think the same can be said of Vader Tanakis (who was rather refreshing in the sheer tin pot incompetence of it all, possibly one of Saharistan's best characters, all be it a shadow character). Tanakis is still alive btw, and he is out there somewhere, with hundred's of billions of dollars...

I put forth the two best countries created by Saharistan have been Saharistan and Torontia (for the sheer effect they have had and the long lasting RP's they have spawned).

Governments and national leaders of nation-states do count as characters being rp'ed.

What I mean is, we don't really get a feel for them (besides the Neo guy, who is usually at a conference), they are all faceless.

Well, admittedly they do need more dialogue and detail, but I haven't exactly felt like typing up MONSTER posts detailing their personalities. But I know how their personalities are like (as like quite a lot of writers, my characters have RL influences....huge degrees of RL influence), and I will detail them in rps.

While your making IC posts, why don't you make a post detailing what your delegate in his hotel room is up to... Is he reading the newspaper, watching TV, cutting himself?

Give us something?

I'm doing it, I'm doing it.

He does however need to update his rhetoric; the "communist gangster conspiracy" stuff has gotten really old...
Then again, a fundamental hatred of communism is usually one of the defining aspects of fascist ideology. To stop being rabidly anti-communist, Torontia would probably need to stop RPing crazy fascist dictatorships.

Then again, a fundamental hatred of communism is one of the defining aspects of fascism. To stop being rabidly anti-communist, Torontia would probably need to stop RPing crazy fascist dictatorships.

Well the way that hatred is expressed needs some updating (a change of style, justification, and argument)...or he could create a new form of Fascism which has a different whipping boy.

cutting himself?
Just so long as he doesn't make a mess on that expensive furniture brought all the way from Xirnium...

No, he won't slit his wrists. The character I based my ambassador to TLA is modelled off a classmate of mine. What do you think of my leader, who is basically myself?

Let's not forget that at one stage in that conflict (before the High Ecclesiarchy became involved) Kravania had succeeded in garnering a significant coalition which threatened to invade Stoddenia based on completely fabricated lies. I think you are much too confident.


Although to be fair Stoddenia did have an uncanny ability to annoy everyone with its pertinacious revolutionary statements and ponderous prose...

Amestria considered bombing it after it hijacked Torontian satellites and used them to send a message supporting the TPLA insurgency and later took Amestrian diplomats hostage after the shooting of their president (they were poorly treated and were slated to be executed).

Amestria however decided war had too many risks and was not worth it (the hostages were later turned over to Yallak).

No, he won't slit his wrists.
It would certainly develop his character though...

Although to be fair Stoddenia did have an uncanny ability to annoy everyone with its pertinacious revolutionary statements and ponderous prose...

Amestria considered bombing it after it hijacked Torontian satellites and used them to send a message supporting the TPLA insurgency and later took Amestrian diplomats hostage after the shooting of their president (they were poorly treated and were slated to be executed).
Yeah, I remember that causing me some problems. On the one hand I had to show that Stoddenia was guiltless of supporting terrorism so that I could isolate and strike at Kravania, and on the other hand Stoddenia was supporting terrorists, albeit different ones and only with messages of support.

Yeah, I remember that causing me some problems. On the one hand I had to show that Stoddenia was guiltless of supporting terrorism so that I could isolate and strike at Kravania, and on the other hand Stoddenia was supporting terrorists, albeit different ones and only with messages of support.

The Stoddenian government called it "National Liberation" and said they would always support "National Liberation" where-ever it broke out...

The Stoddenian government IC was made up of self righteous idiots bent on self destruction, I'm surprised they made it out of that war scare without being bombed...

Hasn't Stoddenia ceased to exist already?

Hasn't Stoddenia ceased to exist already?

No, it did however collapse later...no surprise.

What do you think of my leader, who is basically myself?
Well Ames?

Well Ames?

I honestly don't know, I have only seen two character posts on him.

There, made my post on Evan Ho. Happy X and A?

It is a good post and you get a feeling for the guy (the lamp bit was a chuckle). However there is one thing.

"EVAN HO was one of those arrogant bastards that were efficient at their occupations that they can keep it."

It should be

"EVAN HO was one of those arrogant bastards that were (so) efficient at their occupations that they )keep them/remain at them)."


The Upper and Lower Parliamentarian Houses had to nominate him for ambassadorship to the Allied States of The Lone Alliance because he was the most competent, and despite the fact the other four candidates had much better behavioral conduct than Ho’s blunt-to-the-point, arrogant, hot-tempered and narcissistic-like nature, they just were not as competent for ambassadorship.

I'm dreading what the other candidates were like...

Happy X and A?
It's fine. So Mr Ho likes to kick a ball around inside his bedroom, does he? It will be quite interesting when he meets the cultured Xirniumites.

At least from what I've seen. And by that, I mean Evan Ho is one of the many characters of mine that are based on people I know. ;) And that includes my foreign minister (Joshua Lin), who is based off and named after a long-time friend since my days of kindergarten.

withdrew their military and let the Eternal Republic, jointly with the Infinite Empire run the Interim Torontian Government
Though you are probably already aware, I should point out that the ITG was dissolved by the High Ecclesiarchy as soon as Xirnium arrived in Torontia.

Yes I know that. I put that in there to describe the start of the Xirniumite and Yallakian controlled territory.

I believe that the Convention RP has not moved as quickly as expected and things have not gone forward enough for the main thread to be un-paused. As what happens at the convention directly affects the battle thread I think we can all be in agreement for keeping the Battle thread on hold for a few more days.

SEA your description of Evan Ho makes Valcus Torrodell sound positivley pleasent and he was in a good mood earlier.

Since getting those posts restored seems to be a lost cause shall I post them up in here?

It unexpectedly spawned a fair few ideas that could be immensly useful a fair few of them external to this RP.

SEA your description of Evan Ho makes Valcus Torrodell sound positivley pleasent and he was in a good mood earlier.

Since getting those posts restored seems to be a lost cause shall I post them up in here?


Why is it a lost cause?

Yes, you might as well post them on the OOC thread and provide and I or Xirnium will post a link to them on the title page of the convention thread...


As for your ideas, you will understand why I would appriciate it if you stayed out of the Torontian RP from this point forward.

I honestly don't know, I have only seen two character posts on him.
And which were they?

And which were they?

The ones where your leader was watching TV a listening to news about Torontia...

That was my Foreign Minister.

That was my Foreign Minister.

I'm pretty sure that was your Prime Minister, he was taking a bath...

Understandable and I'm apologising now for any hassle caused, sorry.

However though a fair few of my ideas I got in fact are outside of this RP anyway so it's a moot point, besides I have my hands full ATM just got lumbered with a massive piece of homework and RL > NS.

I did a search again for the post in the Liberation of Torontia IC thread, the previous chapter in the Torontia collapse rp series. It was my foreign minister whom had exited the bathroom. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10011496&postcount=169)

Then I am thinking of another post... One of them had Neo in it (it involved a flat screen TV...)

Then I am thinking of another post... One of them had Neo in it (it involved a flat screen TV...)
As I recal there may have been one like that in the deposing of the god-emperor thread. I think you also posted in that thread, Amestria.

I'm pretty sure the one I'm thinking about was in one of the Torontian threads.

As I recal there may have been one like that in the deposing of the god-emperor thread. I think you also posted in that thread, Amestria.

Yeah I remember that post - just not where it was.

I believe that the Convention RP has not moved as quickly as expected and things have not gone forward enough for the main thread to be un-paused. As what happens at the convention directly affects the battle thread I think we can all be in agreement for keeping the Battle thread on hold for a few more days.

I believe that the Convention RP has not moved as quickly as expected and things have not gone forward enough for the main thread to be un-paused. As what happens at the convention directly affects the battle thread I think we can all be in agreement for keeping the Battle thread on hold for a few more days.

I've got nothing against that

Tanakis is still alive btw, and he is out there somewhere, with hundred's of billions of dollars...

Actually, he's safely wrapped up in a straitjacket in a cell with padded walls, courtesy of MCID. :p

Or did you forget that Tanakis fled into MCID-sponsored exile? Unless McKagan previously let him out on a longer leash and I'm forgetting it, I'm fairly certain he's still in McKagan, under the watchful eyes of MCID...

Brilliant. Now that I'm under invasion by al-Zarqiwi, this time reincarnated in the form of President-for-Life Pavelic of the Fascist Republic of Kravania, what's Halberdgardia gonna do?
Well, Hal? And you forgot to add your ambassador to me in your factbook.

I'm fairly certain he's still in McKagan, under the watchful eyes of MCID...

Actually, last I talked to Mckagan, Tanakis was off the coast of Mckagan controled Saharistan (how fitting) in a secret luxury boathouse with a few remaining followers... He's just sitting around being an ex-dictator at present, but his character has potential for future use.

You are right in that MCID is keeping a close watch on him (Tanakis is under 24-hour surveillance).

Hal, what's your response?

Yeah Hal, I sent Tanakis off on a vacation to get his mind off the fact that the MCID is no longer trying to reinstall him. I may have a thread with him and OaZ sometime, as a comedy type idea.

Tanakis is not taking it well.

The MCID is telling him that they are working to install him; but in reality most have forgot they've got him.

Must be a real pain for his handlers to keep him amused and off their case.

Yeah, mainly because he wants to send "progress reports" to his "divisions" in the American Southwest Deserts. What he doesn't know is that the IMA captured and inprisoned almost all of those people.

Well, Hal? And you forgot to add your ambassador to me in your factbook.

I still haven't really decided on what I'm going to do in that war yet, particularly as Kravania himself has been inactive. Additionally, you might want to note that the characters created by the player behind Kravania have no connection whatsoever to one another (i.e., Musab al-Zaraqwi is not being resurrected as new dictators every time, like you had Neo suppose in his letter; Saharistan/Rovonia/Algeristan/Arabanistan, etc., are not connected whatsoever, except on the occasions where Global Jihad or the al-Zaraqwis are involved, which are few and far between), so Neo's supposition comes off as being somewhat superstitous in nature.

As for my factbook, you have to realize that I don't update it very often. You'll generally find me on the Draftroom more than my own factbook. :p

However, next time I get around to doing a major overhaul (economy and population stats tweaking, mainly), then I'll add you and my ambassador to you to the list. You mind giving me his name again? I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit I've forgotten. :p

Here's an idea, have them knock him out then paradrop him in Kravania. Then we can claim that Kravania is hiding Tanakis and must be stopped.

Kravania already has a loony dictator who has to be stopped, two would be redundant.

Also, Tanakis just has too much potential to kill off.

I'm holding such a high number of characters here.

OaZ (Another of Kravania's/Torontia's characters from a long time ago)
Tanakis
Several Hundred New Order People
Karl Rove

I could set up like a hotel resort for misplaced dictators in Saharistan! I'm seriously planning for one helluva comedy thread.

Don't forget James Baker (another Tanakis advisor).

I'd also like to point out that i'm about to start work on two new systems. The IMA doesn't have a Tracked APC, for shits sake! Who does that? The only IFV I have is the COV-08, which is like a Stryker. It's been in service for a while, so I'm getting ready to release the COV-12. It's going to be a kickass system, like a Stryker that can pwn tanks subject to a 110mm gun! I'm also going to have ASI research into more efficient batteries so I can put a railgun on an IFV.

I'm also considering adding a tracked unit, called the Tactical Gun System. It'll be like a Bradley that has the same 110mm gun, only with a new missile system kinda like the TOW the Americans use. Not only that, but they'll both be so versatile I can turn them into AA systems. The new COV Brigade Combat Teams are going to be one of the most powerful forces in NS in a few weeks.

McKagan TG

McKagan TG

I r b teh responzder21!

Neo was being sarcastic and the cultural jab was a joke. And your ambassador to Southeast Asia's name was "Harmon Coveney."

Sorry for the delay in posting this up but the backups in full.

"Next on today's Agenda, we have been requested to send representative's to Torontia, we were briefed on the situation there several months ago and now we have a chance to make sure that such a shambles is ended," Denteth called from the his place in the Council Chamber a great room with vaunted ceiling and crystalline walls, large monitors arrayed in a hexagonal formation high above, and in the center of it all a platform, usually Denteth would mount it and chair the meeting from up on high, however as this was merely a more casual meeting in dealing with the more mundane day to day issues instead of the weekly legislature things were more informal.

"I would go, I've been intending to go meet with General Kitas for some time now, this way I can achieve both however I understand that we need to represent all arms of the Government, perhaps Minister Kurvus could send someone from his department?" Minister Izalian casually questioned from her place, her white blonde hair clinging to her head her face a neutral yet pleased mask of mystery, a typical expression for Novans.

"I would like to point out though that at this time with the situation as is, is it truly wise for you, the Minister of Defense to leave the Homelands Minister Izalian?" Retorted the Justice Minister, his youthful face belied his vast years, both of experience and of life itself, not usually confrontational however he would risk argument to keep a colleague safe, he couldn’t in good conscience do otherwise.

“Why Minister Kurvus, why do you doubt our forces and their ability to keep myself and the rest of us safe? I’m sure Minister Hugoro can attest that they are most capable, especially after Imperial Raven,” she lets the last statement hang in the air, they all well remembered the meeting after Hugoro’s return, it had not been pleasant, but one thing had come out of it at least, that the military was a far stronger force than it appeared on paper.

The Room is filled with light through the crystalline ceiling, overhead is a pure blue cloudless sky with a bright sun shining down benevolently. The view would be partially obscured by a large tower rising up out of the center of the ceiling, “Ministers please, remember we work for the good of the people let us not waste time in here on such a fine day squabbling,” The Suprainister had spoken, with his tone he had left no room whatsoever for argument, all around the room the ministers nodded their heads respectfully with a clamor of , “Yes Suprainister,”

“Minister Izalian after you have completed your scheduled visit to Admiral Hasquel’s Command you will take representative’s from each ministry to the conference, now I believe that was the last item on our agenda and so we may enjoy the fine weather, meeting adjourned,” with a respectful nod to everyone he turns away from the circle rising out of his chair and departing with a swish of tunic and a hiss as the door slides open seemingly unbidden.

As he exited the chamber a small clamor went around as the ministers rose and they themselves exited talking absent mindedly with each other as they entered an elevator none of them noticed when the doors closed, neither did they notice when the elevator ascended up high and the doors opened again, too engrossed in conversation as the 12 ministers exited out onto a fairly large plaza, it was at the base of the tower section of the Tower of Destiny,

At the side awaited several aide’s and a small drinks bar, as the ministers sat themselves round a pristinely polished table basking in the sun the aide’s set the drinks down “Well then Izalian I believe you’ve managed to catch the Suprainister’s Fancy, we all know that he has to marry in less than 2 years, and we all know he doesn’t have a fiancé yet,” Cooed Beckett Jalenza the Economy Minister from his place at the table, his voice teasing yet serious, “You should give it some though,”

“Beckett, please you flatter me I could no more catch the Suprainister’s Fancy then you could juggle jewel fruit,” Denials aside Izalian’s cheeks glowed gently red in a blush her hair bouncing gently in the breeze as the bright sun shone down pleasantly heating the already warm air, the view from here up on high was breathtaking the great canyon walls reaching for the skies as the city filled it’s vastness stretching down to the sea below as it glinted mystically.

“Ministers, on to business, however Minister Beckett is right the Suprainister does need to marry and if he is not capable of finding a partner then we must act in his best interests…. Izalian would politley excuse herself, she had packing to do and no doubt her input wasn't nessacery to such a conversation.

An Aide would go Bustling up to the Minister as she began to leave the blacony and handed her a sheet of paper, oh no and I was looking forward to going as well, i'll have to send a message.

The Conversation would continue on in this thread for a fair deal of time with much casual banter before breaking up later with some muttering and casual laughs at why Izalian had left early, Hugoro was glad to be back in his office, it was becoming almost uncomfortably hot outside and he appreciated the coolness of his office as he drafted out a statement

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Novacom Diplomatic Directive

From: Novacom Council of Ministers, Suprainister Denteth Tolion
To: Xirnium

We will be dispatching a Delegation to this conference to ensure that a system that truly benefits the people and the majority of Torontia opposed to the closed minded Minority that make up the TPG.

The Message is signed in an indecipherable language, probably Novan



I only hope that we don’t blow it, we’ll only get once chance at this any further attempts would be detrimental to the long term plan, sighing before resting her chin on the palm of her hand slowly blinking her vivid blue eyes while gazing out of the window, the stars looked lovely tonight, thoughts of the coming conference loomed in her mind, Reigning in Ambassador Valcus would be a Voronzellian task, Something else was amiss too.

“Your thoughts Minister?” Another one of the Delegates would croon grinning evilly, he knew that he at least occupied a part of her mind, he was evidently enjoying the situation immensely, just as he would enjoy the conference, so much opportunity for progress, and what an opportunity to further the cause. However there was something amiss by him, his green was eerily haunting almost as if the man had temporarily detached himself from reality, it was worrying the man rarely meditated let alone this deeply. It was as if Admiral Kukonois had popped out of the overhead lockers and began scattering flowers everywhere with large cries of peace.

“Where is she, she was supposed to have arrived a day ago, I had been hoping to meet with her before things got started and give her a good heads up about that pill-popping, air headed bimbo from Amestria, Why oh why did she have to come, is it too much to ask for some peace and quiet, but no it was Amestrians in Kahanistan, Kukonians before that and now Amestrians again, worse that whore Liscel,” On the General would rant and rave, his hands were wrung tightly as he peered up into the sky for a glimpse of the minister’s Transport, they were onboard the NMS Viginias, after the trip they would need servicing, and of course they didn’t want to reveal anything about Admiral Hasquel’s command.

Much Later on a Parridigram would touch down near the Conference center, escorted by a Quartet of Voloko’s, all round the Conference Center Xirnimites and Yallakian security personnel swarmed, in the mix were a fair few Novans as well, but their presence was far more visible as several Hijir stood nearby like giant obsidian statue’s gazing out to eternity. “Come Minister Izalian, I’ll introduce you to Cardinal Gilda, she arrived a few days earlier,” Otto purred, his eyes taking in the entirety of the delegation, remarking that these must be new members of their respective departments, though Vaclus and Justice Harlov seemed to recognize them

Resting for a moment on the hawkish face of Valcus, this is going to be interesting after all, perhaps him and that whore will meet up and have a blast, I can only hope smirking as he leads them into the center his dress uniform billowing around his feet his immaculate uniform impossibly well pressed and his hair painstakingly styled for the event, next to him walked Gold Skull Enforcer Captain Kirtsen Talmenyovft, her auburn hair bouncing with each step, she was a natural in her uniform and her cat like gait defined her perfectly, as graceful and deadly as a jungle cat, just as well after all I’m expecting trouble, and that’s not counting that whore.

"Oh great I was wondering when I was going to run into you, when are you going to realize that nobody wants your advances, Meh This way Minister Izalian, ignore Sara Liscel she is quite mad and mentally unstable, if she offers you anything do not take it," Pausing for effect while pressing at his high collar for a moment before looking out of his eyes sideways at the woman, "she'll have snuck her well meaning morphine in," and almost under his breath he mutters in Novan pill popping nutcase. General Kitas stormed by an impressive figure in full battle dress, his tunic billowed in the frigid air, turning his head over his shoulder slightly fixing the whore with a gimlet stare,

"If you think this is cold god forbid you go to Kivaylan, in fact gods forbid you even set foot on the home isles, ah yes, by the way the Lady beside her, poor thing is Grand Cardinal Gilda, however it's best to wait till later for the introductions she is evidently in over her head" Absent mindedly rubbing his head over the scar he had thanks to her ministrations before storming forwards trailing Minister Izalian looking somewhat Askance at the situation and seemingly despaired when Ambassador Valcus swooped into the Cardinal half bowing,"Lady Grand Cardinal Gilda, an honor to finally meet you,"

Something is a miss, Valcus is up to something and Otto hate this woman, this is not going to get any better, in fact it’s going to get worse, perhaps this could work for me, Valcus means well, at least I think but he goes about things in the wrong way no matter, continuing forward anyway quickening her pace to keep up with the seething General, her standard Ministerial Uniform swirling behind her, cut along a similar lines to the Military Uniform except with blue replacing the red and wholly Novan and Governmental Emblems opposed to Military ones she wore it awkwardly as if wearing it for the first time, she would furtively reach for her large bebangled ears and tug at them slightly, good appearances alone aren’t going to make this conference work casually she turned to the representative from the Economy Ministry, Jackus Kinah and begins talking away in Novan about the progress of the next Generation Mobile Suit project.

Behind the delegation seemingly floated a pair of Black Skull Enforcers taking everything in at a glance and fixing everyone they saw with a penetrating glare, a glare that seemingly looked beyond flesh into the depraved minds that lurked within, not a sound did they make and not a flaw in their movements though they were leering intently at their own delegation for some reason, for their minds were closed to them, they didn’t like it, they didn’t trust them, nodding politely as a pair of Gold Skull Enforcers continued round their patrols, a Tall auburn headed individual going round inspecting things before heading into the conference center herself, this was Captain Kirtsen Talmenyovft a Gold Skull Enforcer, however she was on internal security "Please, I do not mean to interrupt but could you please enter the building, it's safer inside," she purred jauntily to the Cardinal and Sara, tall and lithe like most Novans she towered over the scene looking magnificent, her auburn curls contrasting with the gold and red piping of her uniform, no doubt however their was considerable function to the form, it was unlike Novans to put function over anything, and that included clothing.

"Sklenova? ah yes I still have the scars from when her and that Amestrian fiend cracked me against a window, and as for our involvement, we like to keep our actions fairly under wraps, I'm glad however to be back in a more military role, commanding our occupation troops is infinitely more preferable to being assaulted by supposed cultured diplomats." he extended his hand somewhat apprehensively, he was certainly hoping that this woman was not another wolf in sheep’s clothing, there were far too many of them running rampant for his taste.

"General Otto Kitas, a pleasure to meet you,"

"Indeed a Pleasure to meet you," smiling gently with a slight hint of his usual stern mannerism, before setting himself down on a chair next to her.

"27 stitches to my head, her, an Amestrian a pill popping crackpot known as Sara Liscel, who unfortunately is here this very moment perverting Cardinal Gilda, and a Xirnimite Admiral, they were quite happily arguing away when it got rough, sending me into a window cracking my skull," absent mindedly running a finger over the scar in his hair, grimacing slightly, it was still relatively fresh though he knew now it would eventually fade, or at least he hoped.

"Oh yes Perverting, first off she'll try to disjoint the poor Cardinal, then she'll try to slip pills somehow into her drink, and next she'll try to bed her and then wrap her round her little finger, though Perverting may not be the correct word, Novan does not translate well into English you see, it is a far more descriptive language." finishing off in a thoughtful tone, muttering slightly tapping each finger for emphasis on mental points he was raising, probably on the finer differences in syntax.

"It's the Principle of it, you do not go to a diplomatic event expecting to be scarred, Especially when it's delivered by 3 supposed civilized diplomats who instead screeched at each other before having a shoving match, I've seen more civilized behavior from Covenant Guard," making an off hand reference to the Hated Admiral Kukonois' elite shock troops, he was certainly not afraid of being scarred, he would rather however get them in battle, at least then he could say he'd earned them, it was always a question that the youngsters asked, do you have any scars most of them having seen the face of Admiral Keshast, now that was a man who had earned his cars feeling a grudging respect, the man may be fighting for that hated man but he was good at what he did.

"Try? oh never mind try I believe she succeeded, lat thing I heard she and Sklenova were having a romp on a cruise somewhere, My presence here is advisory, Minister Izalian is an old friend of mine and since I'm leading the Novacom forces here I thought it would be nice to see her, as well as protect her from certain individuals, she needs it though, she’s not herself today, I don’t know the rest of the Delegation that came in they must be new. Justice Harlov and Ambassador Valcus arrived early they were fairly shocked to see the Minister, they were under the impression she wasn’t coming." Shrugging Non-chalantly, looking round he sets eyes on Colonel Kirtsen,

"Ah Colonel Kirtsen, fetch my a bottle of Technopilian Tessak, and a pair of glasses for me and my friend here," smiling, Tessak was an extremely aromatic wine, and the Technopolis Vintage was considered the best, after all a city specializing on Science did not only deal in science, their wine was sought after all over the home isles, and he had had several casks shipped over for the conference.

"I am merely here in an advisory role to Minister Izalian, she's the one heading up the delegation, She'll be trying to get this whole mess sorted out, doubt she'll make much headway, with all the Political Party representative's here they would hardly favor a more Novan system despite the fact after all this turmoil and divisiveness the Novan system is exactly what is needed here, AH Kirtsen I thank you," saluting the Auburn haired Colonel as she passed by handing a strangely shaped bottle with cryptic caligraphs on the label accompanied by an unfamiliar emblem in addition to a Novacom Emblem.

Pouring out 2 glasses and handing one to Rachel, before placing the bottle on the ground, noticing a large book poking out of the ladies bag, making a mental note to ask about it in a bit having not had a chance to catch up on the latest literature charts, having still not finished the current Novan bestseller, The Jindrax Journals, he was up for an interesting read, perhaps they could swap. "Tecnopolis Vintage 1111, an excellent year for many things, Wuwoma is one of them, to your health General Levitt" taking a sip of the wine known as Wuwoma, a sip was enough, the overwhelmingly aromatic and flavorsome liquid tickled his taste buds and danced on his tongue, it was as if drinking pure light, after this even the finest drinks from around the world could not compare, after all the year 1111 had been a very good year for Wuwoma, a very good year.

"At Attention," Valcus would bellow, his voice a perfect parade ground shout, "Present Arms," as he approached the line of Xirnimite Security Personnel, eyeing each of them straightening almost imperceptible faults in uniform and inspecting weapons, it brought him back to his teenage years, his 3 years in the army, the song of the march the way of life of a soldier, he hadn't liked all of it, but he still liked military discipline.

Now walking down the assembled line he inspected each in turn, "Tram Lines on left sleeve and right trouser leg, right boot scuffed, incorrect shoelace color," was one complaint, "Weapon improperly oiled, and cleaned, suspicious buildup in the chamber," continuing down the line he could find no faults with the next 3, "Headdress improperly cared for, it sits wrong on your head, also haircut needed and a shave, new top button required to replace the incorrect one you have replaced it with," finally reaching the end of the line and returning to his former place.

"Not bad, not bad at all, now I will return shortly, in 2 hours, I expect what I pointed out to be dealt with immediately, General Kitas has informed me you are sharing Billets with the Gold Skull Enforcers, ask them to assist you if needed, Squad, Squad shun, To your Duties Dismissed," The Line would clomp away to sort themselves out while Valcus rubbed his hands, now to see that Cardinal, but first a suitable present for the ravishing woman, good thing he had had sent over in advance just the ticket, his own personal reserve of Wuwoma, what was the date that everyone else used for it, ah yes 602 Vintage, why on earth they bother with AD and BC he'd never know he was quite happy being in the year 7006 as he idly wandered off to the cellar.

~Elsewhere~

"indeed, we don't use the same dating system so for us that would be the year 6111 ND" Casually sipping it, this was a fairly recent vintage in comparison, he'd heard that there was an even older vintage floating around idly contemplating as he saw a newcomer drift over, yet another one of these troublesome politicians the rest of the world seems to like to fawn over, such a waste, Amestrians and their Lies, sounds like an interesting read, I wonder if she'd want to swap for Jindrax's Journal's, thinking idly, he had the book on his personage, there were of courses ample places in Novan Dress Uniform to hide things, after all why should form sacrifice Function?

"General Otto Alain Kitas The book is most likely most suitable for the occasion, the Amestrian delegate is what I believe you would call a Rotten Apple in an extreme," his voice slightly feathering over the phrase Rotten Apple, it was something new to him but it helped to use English phrases opposed to Novan Phrases, after all it was doubtful they knew what a Corrupted Jelzap was.



In the Cellar

"Ah there it is, now to find Lady Gilda, Perhaps Otto will know where she is, he's in joint charge of security along with that Xirnimite, Colonel Antaerion I think he was called," Idly Clasping at a pair of strangely shaped bottles with the cryptic Novan Caligraphs emblazoned in almost impossibly delicate text across their labels. Stalking out of the cellar making a mental note to deliver the other bottle to the Colonel, his soldiers were well trained inexperienced as they were, chuck em into one of our training camps for three years, that'd make real men out of em Chuckling to himself slightly, it had done him good reminding him of the old times.

In the Main Hall

"I Believe that there is some information, IXION front and center, pull up the data on Amestrian Atrocities, with specific reference to Torontia," murmuring into a small cylindrical object the same size as a fizzy drinks can. On it was displayed what could quite easily be merely another Novan Military Officer.

"Honestly though I can't say I like the Amestrian Delegate here, and that's putting it lightly, she's mentally unstable, a whore and in addition to having an orgiastic romp and causing an international incident she is more than likely at this very moment trying to weave her wicked ways and blackmail Cardinal Gilda, I did try and warn her that not all Piranhas were in the pool over there." Idly Shrugging before seeing a very familiar figure bustling out from the lower cellar and barking at a pair of guards to stand straight, apparently they were not completely straight but slouching by a single degree, the man was harsh but he got the job done, and everyone else's job as well it seemed.

"Ah General Otto, perhaps you can tell me where the good Cardinal is?" questioning urgently, he'd already handed the other bottle to the good Colonel, such a valued vintage was no idle gift and yet it would be given again soon if he had his way.

"Ah Valcus she's in Parlor" The Next part is indecipherable to nearby people, a string of Novan "Do me a favor Valcus, and do check on the Cardinal, make sure she's alright and if you can poke a few more holes in that whore's ego, if we can thrust her into nervous breakdown we can divert her to the hospital," whatever he meant by Hospital it certainly didn't sound pleasant, his voice with a sinister sharp edge as his heavy lidded eyes lowered into a leer as he inclined his head politely at Rachel.

"It shouldn't be much longer, you cannot imagine the Atrocities our civilization as endured and witnessed, records that were destroyed in the Great Library of Alexandria in Egypt survive to this day in our own Great Novesia Archives." smiling again topping up his friends glass with yet more of the cerise liquid before taking another sip out of his own glass sighing in bliss, the only potential cloud on the horizon was Sara Liscel actually surviving the conference, if he had had his way she would have been arrested for lewd behavior, for anyone to behave in such a manner was a public menace.

"Of course Otto, I'll be back later on to tell you how things went, now to find that Parlor," Idly wandering out clasping the large bottle, swiftly getting obscured by the site of a nearby Novan Security Patrol, the lot of them silently yet almost mechanically marching through the halls, while Gold Skull Enforcers went around with strange devices, checking even individual leaves with strange instruments, conferring animatedly in the cryptic Novan language.

"AH I think this is the one" exclaims Valcus, having drawn his uniform close to him as he looms over a tall polished door, the gold embossed handle glimmering in the encroaching brightness as he extends a hand as a vulture would extend it's talon to it's prey, opening the door silently and entering majestically,

"Ah Lady Cardinal there you are, Otto was worried about you, as was I, it would do no good for you to be corrupted by malignant individuals who from the smells of things has the most ghastly perfume ever contrived, burned radishes are the anti-thesis of Fragrant, I have a gift for you from my own personal stock. The Finest Wuwoma I have Technopolis vintage 602, with my most humble of regards." Valcus would bow austerely before rising back up fixing Sara liscel with a hawkish glare, he had heard far too many stories of this infamous woman's exploits to even pretend to be nice, or even hold back, and of course without Minister Izalian nearby he was greatly tempted to plow into her politically, she may not know much about Novacom but he certainly knew plenty about her and Amestria.

Before all the Hubbub

"Valcus, I remind you, you are to be nice, I know you detest the supposed qualities of Politicians external to Novacom but try to restrain yourself at the very least." Minister Izalian would sternly rebuke Valcus, the last thing she wanted as a diplomatic incident, but Valcus would prove handy if anybody tried to get one up on her.

Seeing Valcus Depart in deep conversation with a Xirnimite Colonel she herself approaches an individual "Deputy Foreign Minister Cle’o de Me’rode I presume? I'm Defense Minister Izalian Jhanhus, I was wondering if I could have a moment of your time to discuss a formal establishing of Novan-Amestrian Relations?" Smiling gently her blonde hair swirling around her head as he uniform swirled inwards after the swift movements, from grand and regal, to noble and majestic she stood there small amongst Novans at 6 foot 5.

"Ha, I wonder why the sent such an insignificant Uncivil lackey to an important event like this," His uniform swirling around with him his eyes bulging his face a calm mask belying the taught atmosphere, taking in a deep breath to renew his tirade,

"begonia with you and your lies, attempted blackmail is far from important matters of state, even if I hadn't came in you would have gotten nowhere, from my experiences Xirnimite's are about as incorruptible as Novans, if you had been left alone and unattended much longer you would have stripped completely off, what unprofessional folly!" Waving his hands at the woman as if trying to waft away the fumes and vile emanations of Valgen itself.

"It was a pleasure Lady Cardinal, I was intending to see you anyway, though I do trust General Kitas on this, thanks to this wench he had to have stitches because of her violent temperament and non-existent mental stability," with a flourish and swirl of long flowing uniform he returns the bow, letting it continue perhaps for a moment more than proper as he rose backup fixing the wench with a stare he calls out loudly in Novan a terrible sounding phrase, dripping with anger and fury,

"You bring the vilest of shame upon the name of all politicians, with your false smiles your backblading and your hateful double dealing, it is people like you that bring this world into such dire straits," abruptly his expression softens and the tirade stops, not that the last part was understandable of course being in Novan, and it would surely be a new experience even for those who had heard Novan before, as with Novan this was a most angry tirade, and as with Novan it expressed the sentiment perfectly, far more perfectly than English ever could have.

"I would enjoy that immensely Lady Cardinal," before bowing once more and swirling out with a flourish, no doubt off to talk with General Kitas and inform him of what had just happened, threats of talking to Minister Izalian did not worry him, there was of course no proof and he hadn't really said anything serious, comparatively speaking of course, he still remembered when on a foreign visit hurling a most distasteful man headfirst into a fountain for daring to suggest he was a liar.

What has Valcus done now? Sighing to herself apparently forlornlyit’s too soon for him to be causing trouble , before fixing Sara with a stare and a smile, "such a serious accusation, but I will gladly deal with the matter when you present your proof, you do have proof he's done this don't you?," she looks questioningly at the quivering figure, llet's see just what she knows of the Novan Justice System, if it's merely her word against his this won't go far at all and if Valcus has evidence to the contrary and this woman doesn't, well this will be noted to say the least

"I do thank you for bringing this to my attention however though, I seriously doubt that General Kitas put him up to it, he has talked at length about you, from what I understood you two are good friends from Saint Fedski however if you were to make an official complaint, I am sure he would do likewise for assaulting him at that encounter." Turning to face the Deputy Minister her blonde locks and large bejeweled earpieces swirling and bouncing as she turns,

"Minister before this does turn into an incident I suggest we forget this little event and continue with what we were to discuss, I believe Minister Liscel would be quite happy to go and talk with General Kitas over there," Pointing with a long finger and vibrant blue fingernail at the jovial figure of General Kitas laughing it up with a Kahanistanian across the hall.

Across the Hall

"Oh it appears that all we seem to have are information and maps of Heightened Amestrian Activity, the maps I suppose could prove useful," General Kitas would mutter gently, he had thought there was more information, but all that there was, were merely maps where there had been a heightened Amestrian Presence, not really useful as anything but even the most basic of basic building blocks, of course several building sites could probably be ruled out, who in their right minds would hide evidence of genocide at a school?

Rolling his eyes at this the general mutters, "Your telling me, I already know, what she being doing now? Has she assaulted someone else or thrown morphine at someone?" he had heard Liscel's attempt at white washing a few minutes earlier, though he had also seen Minister Izalian's expression after the 2 had departed, they had in that moment diminished what respect she had had for Amestria, clasping at Rachel's hand and feeling a wetness he takes a closer look at it,

"Whatever happened to your hand, did that whore do it?" his face darkening as he picked up a headset out of his pocket and clattered away in Novan, some of it sounding fairly angry and negative, evidently what he was saying was not pleasant and boded ill.

"I'd remember all of that as best I can if I were you, I suspect things are going to get rough, though I am looking forward to seeing you gave that woman a good mauling, if only someone would do that physically, " as he spoke a squad of Gold Skull Enforcers marched in with Rifles cocked approaching the Amestrians, all the while the General with a forlorn smile nodded, he was evidently not happy about arresting the lot of them but he would do his duty, he would do now less, in the midst of the Gold Skull Enforcers Captain Kirtsen would step out and slap handcuffs on each of the Amestrians including the aide's.

"Sara Liscel, Clo'e Me'rode you are under arrest for 2 counts of assault, blackmail, criminal damage as well as other crimes, you will remain silent or you will be subdued, you will be tried under Novan law and as such you will be provided a state attorney, you will come with us now," in a somber voice the Captain read out the charges, she was confident to an extreme, she was in control here, any attempt to escape would be met with an iron will and a fierce resistance, even as the Novan Security personnel nearby hovered closely.

"Arrested for assault, on 2 counts if General Kitas presses charges for earlier actions, blackmail, criminal damage, we'll know more after interrogation, take em away boys," Captain Kirtsen snaps her fingers at the Gold Skull Enforcers and they begin to move out, outside a dull hissing can be heard as something touches down. she stands proudly with a smile on her face, her auburn hair hanging down out of her headwear her high golden trimmed collar tightly hugging her high neck as she respectfully look the Lady Cardinal in the eye.

General Kitas calls over "Captain what are you doing exactly? I will press charges later," he calls out sternly rubbing his head unconsciously, meanwhile a pair of Gold Skull Enforcers begin sealing off the garden while another group enter and begin to search for evidence.

Captain Kirtsen unphased by the calls of what by all rights was her commanding officer would cock her head as she enquired, "Lady Cardinal please do tell, what is Diplomatic Immunity? There’s no such thing in Novan law!" meanwhile the group had already been carted away, as they exited a familiar looking Black Skull Enforcer entered, who too the situation in at a glance and called out loudly, "What you have just seen is of no importance continue as you were before," rubbing his hands together casually as he psychically implanted the suggestion that what had happened truly was of no importance.

The Captain and the rest of her troops looked non-pulsed at what they had just seen, were they supposed to be intimidated by a screaming Politician!? "Lady Cardinal, the complaint was mode to Novan Security, we did request a copy of Xirnium Judicial codes but none were forthcoming the only response was to use standard procedure and we are, irregardless assault is a serious matter and is not taken lightly," Behind the Cardinal the Amestrians and their jailors had bypassed the crowds and were making out the tall doors.

"Ah Haltzex there you are, calm down the situation a bit and come and see what you can do for my friends injuries," General Kitas would call over, Haltzex would eagerly carry out the order and interject himself between the Captain and the Cardinal, "Be at ease Lady Cardinal, there will be no diplomatic incident, in fact there was no incident at all," he smiles deviously as he stretches out again soothing the Cardinals rage fully bringing his powerful mind to bear.

“Get away yo..” The Minister cuts herself off, her voice had changed for a split second, deeper and crueler and almost certainly not of the same woman, tapping her neckpiece twice she smiles around the room a dim leer stirring in her eyes.

She stood their motionless, being slapped was nothing but she did however spy someone who could alleviate the situation, "Justice Harlov is there any way out of this situation law-wise?" she casually enquired, as a professional soldier, a gold skull enforcer it was impossible for her to loose her cool.

Justice Harlov would perk up from his conversation with Minister Izalian and bustle over, after having the situation explained to him he nodded sagely, "Well in the Jindrax Accords there are allowances for such a thing yes, but it would possibly cause more trouble than there is already, The Amestrians would need to issue a formal written and verbal apology detailing everything of which they are sorry for, and then General Levitt, and General Kitas would need to accept those apologies, now I was having an interesting discussion with the Justice minister a few days ago about the ramifications of modern law on the Jindrax accords that I think will interest you a fair bit," he trailed off as he began chirping away to Minister Izalian perfectly oblivious to the situation.

Minister Izalian however looked distraught placing herself in-between the Crazed Cardinal and the chilled Captain, "please remember we are friends, however Cardinal if Justice Harlov's information will dampen the situation. I'm sure they will be released if they acquiesce to such a reasonable request, in future however I would advise your judiciary to instead of merely stating use your standard procedure to instead be more forthcoming with legal codes, however though I do trust if they are to be released that the complaints of General Kitas and Levitt will be upheld in a court, you see we don't actually have a concept of Diplomatic Immunity," Her face was starting to show some emotion, her voice was loud and majestic as it echoed through the halls, she had no desire to contradict the Justice, of course she was quite free to call the troops off, as Justice Minister they would have no choice to obey her.

"The Suprainister will be so informed," Minister Izalian responded coldly her face livid, her pierced ears whitening and her high brow creased, she yells loudly in Novan what is an unmistakable order and all Novans come to attention and begin marching out, the Captain and her troops head to their transports not without however flashing a strange light into the Amestrian's eyes, the horde of Gold Skull Enforcers form up around the Delegation as she begins issuing orders, all of them in Novan and all of them sounded as if the boded ill as they stalked past, all of them showing no emotion on their faces, after all who could truly know the mind of a Novan.

"Order all relevant forces to withdraw immediately, and call of the search teams hunting for Admiral Kukonois, I have plans for them. she called out in Novan as aide's clattered away into headsets to follow out the orders, a somewhat sad end to the conference, leaving it meant nothing to them, yet something was amiss why did the conference mean nothing to them? For the minister had been very eager to attend, what on earth could have brought about this change? The following complaint to the Suprainister would certainly cause a fair ruckus, and to be honest she didn't care how he would react.

As the Minister stalked out there would begin a loud siren blaring as the fire sprinklers came on and the lights began to go haywire, total havoc began to break out as Xirnimite Security agents would recoil in pain as loud static burst over their earpieces.

Minister Izalian and her cohorts looked back for a moment at the ensuing pandemonium, several Gold Skull Enforcers made to go back and deal with the situation, "No, they've made their own bed now let them sleep in it," she called out coldly in English, making it evidently clear to all around that she herself had no idea what was going on but she had no intention of stopping it, at this the Gold Skull Enforcers and their Mechnicians turned round and entered their billets while a large amount formed up and began to make their transport ready for departure, while Minister Izalian casually reclined on a nearby chair chatting away to Justice Harlov, laughing gently as she watched the Xirnimites try to correct whatever on earth was happening, when nobody appears to be looking she furtively taps away on her laptop, whatever could this woman be up to?

"It won't be long minister, we had expected the meaningful parts of the conference to last a bit longer, reported a mechnician as he tapped away at a laptop, apparently running fine with no interference. The “minister” looked on at the complete rabble the convention could be seen to be turning into, by now the Cardinal would have been drenched her hot headedness surely dampened and cooled, The Woman herself was somewhat damp because of it, but not nearly as wet as everyone inside she reflected idly sipping at a glass of Wuwoma as she tapped away at hr own laptop checking through an unfamiliar page about the Diri E I G Ignen while watching some TV from the homeland on another Monitor.

Inside the Billets the Gold Skull Enforcers began polishing their uniforms while several Mechnicians began to search for a malfunctioning connections line, one that connected to their transmitter and enabled them uplink with the fleet as well as back to Technopolis...

The Technicians would fail, there wasn’t anything left of the control programs to even access evidently hurrying out the Novans had had dire effects for bringing up the building to modern standards, it would seem that unless water and electricity were shut off to the building manually it would be doubtful that anything could be disabled or shut off...

Hey guys, I'm in Whistler, Canada right now, flown all the way from Hong Kong. And I'm here for the next four days. I'm spending the most of my time outdoors, and I won't be able to post as often. I'll try and catch up though.
Urgh, I can't believe I forgot to post this on the day I got back. I returned with my mom and bro from Whistler, Canada, after a decent ski-trip, on Feb 4, 12.00.p.m. HKT. Notice the difference between activity when I was in Canada, Ames, McKagan and Hal?

Xirnium: TG

Xirnium: TG
Replied and sent another.

Hal, I think that you shall regret.

Hal, I think that you shall regret.

Regret what?

Regret what?

Not living up to his expectations.

Not living up to his expectations.

And precisely how I am failing to do this? *puzzled*

And precisely how I am failing to do this? *puzzled*

I have... NO IDEA what is GOING ON. :p

Me too. What just happened?

I have... NO IDEA what is GOING ON. :p

That makes two of us. :p

That makes two of us. :p

I never know what's going on, though. :)

Xirnium: TG...

And precisely how I am failing to do this? *puzzled*

Whatever the problem, it's your fault for existing.

Whatever the problem, it's your fault for existing.
Assuming the problem relates in some way to Hal, though.

Wait a minute... how can Hal be blamed for his own existance? Generally blame involves some kind of intention component...

TG replied, Amestria.

*head explodes*

You know, if Ames actually had a sense of humor, I'd say he was messing with me... :p

Assuming the problem relates in some way to Hal, though.

Wait a minute... how can Hal be blamed for his own existance? Generally blame involves some kind of intention component...

TG replied, Amestria.

He could have ended his existence at any time, it's his fault for choosing to stick around.

Xirnium: TG

You know, if Ames actually had a sense of humor, I'd say he was messing with me... :p

Hal. you are becoming paranoid and delusional...me messing with you!? Its all in your mind...:p

He could have ended his existence at any time, it's his fault for choosing to stick around.

Xirnium: TG

You have a point there. With regards to determing causality there is little difference between doing or omitting to do an act.

Replied, Amestria.

You have a point there. With regards to determing causality there is little difference between doing or omitting to do an act.

Replied, Amestria.

I am glad you see the merits of my logic (twisted though it might be).

Xirnium: Replied to your TG...

Xirnium: TG

Xirnium: Another TG...

Amestria, replied and sent another.

By regret, I meant that if you go to war against me in favor of an ally who is my nation's enemy and your friend, and if the Freeks ever get involved be it in that conflict or the future, should relations with Gholgoth powers ever get into the "Excellent" category, and you find the EAE on your shores, don't expect my leader (who is largely based off myself) to get in and negotiate.

Don't worry in the slightest, he regularly makes threats of impending doom upon Xirnium, most (if not all) of the time it is mere talk, I have yet to see him conjure up a superpower to attack Xirnium.

By regret, I meant that if you go to war against me in favor of an ally who is my nation's enemy and your friend, and if the Freeks ever get involved be it in that conflict or the future, should relations with Gholgoth powers ever get into the "Excellent" category, and you find the EAE on your shores, don't expect my leader (who is largely based off myself) to get in and negotiate.

And if there is another ice age do not expect me to use my magical fire powers to heat the planet back up. YOU HEAR ME, YOU CAN ALL FREEZE!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

By regret, I meant that if you go to war against me in favor of an ally who is my nation's enemy and your friend, and if the Freeks ever get involved be it in that conflict or the future, should relations with Gholgoth powers ever get into the "Excellent" category, and you find the EAE on your shores, don't expect my leader (who is largely based off myself) to get in and negotiate.

Too many "ifs" here, I count at least four in a row.

Basically, you are making a threat that is based on a hypothetical pemise, which is based on a hypothetical premise, which is based on one more hypothetical premise.

about as many if's as he makes supposedly "Ominous" statements of an impending superpower to pound on you X.

ICly and OOCly Novacom, I don’t use people, because of bad reputation and the stains linger for a while, and I value my reputation.

I’m generally tolerant of the world’s diversity, because as true debating is about supporting your position while the other person’s and undermining it, and vice versa, while being open minded at the same time, because that’s what true debating is.

And no, this is not a threat to X Amestria, especially considering that (while this is not public IC info, it's secret IC) Xirnium and Yallak has gotten involved with the ViZionarian Conflict against Villian and CAD, and that Yallak has to do a lot of grovelling to Sarzonia (or convincing MassPwnage to attack me, as like X, I'm officially neutral because I have a JC conflict on hold and awaiting, so as my leader and is a democrat, SICly they're planning to help Congressional with logistics) to help him engage and win a two-thousand-plus strong fleet, do I need to make one?

Besides, Velkya himself was godmodding to try and survive missile spam attacks from MP (though I must admit that as a versed rp'er, MassPwnage was at fault and at least could have opened options OOCly).

The only reason I make statements that I wander whether it's X or (insertcrackpotnationamehere) is gonna win is because I find that Xirnium curse to be as ridiculous as King Tut's curse or the conspiracy theory where Kennedy was kidnapped by aliens during his assassination and currently lives on another planet, and that it's possible to be invincible on NS....AMF did it! - Not. AMF can be beaten, you just need to out-prose him and out-smart him (and X has a decent chance of doing that I might add, remember that X? I told you that in a TG chat we had a long while ago).

I have no doubts given that with decent support and decent prose, a good rp'er can beat X and his allies.....the Xirnium curse is as ridiculous as Hartman's statements that the Excessively Armed Empire is perpetually invincible and can take over the world, of course all powerful nations fall, and for now the EAE is the strongest nation, but even the strongest nation can be beaten should it make the rest of the world it's enemy! It's the Internet people; you all are totally misinterpreting it to the extreme.

By regret, I meant that if you go to war against me in favor of an ally who is my nation's enemy and your friend, and if the Freeks ever get involved be it in that conflict or the future, should relations with Gholgoth powers ever get into the "Excellent" category, and you find the EAE on your shores, don't expect my leader (who is largely based off myself) to get in and negotiate.

Wait a minute, wait a minute...what? Are you trying to say you'll try to sic AMF on me if I support Kravania in the Kravania-TLA War? There are a few reasons that won't happen:

1.) We'd sooner support an established friend than a random dictatorship, unless we had a very, very good reason to do otherwise.

2.) AMF really has no reason to be involved in the Kravania-TLA War, as it does not directly impact his affairs; it would literally be a waste of resources (human and material) for him to participate on either side, particularly as he just finished up his war with Kraven.

3.) I have absolutely no idea why your country, which repeatedly and rather openly celebrates its excellent human rights record, is so eager to establish relations with a region that is largely comprised of nations that abuse said rights (with some exceptions, such as Samtonia, the Freethinkers, the Charr, and Doujin, if we go strictly off of UN rankings), unless this plays into the improbable plan you told me about via TG some time ago.

4.) I wouldn't expect Neo to negiotiate if things somehow got that bad, and I sure as hell wouldn't RP Kil as trying to.

And 5.), just for the hell of it: I honestly don't think you've learned the lesson of what happened to Kraven.

Oh you needn't worry, he regularly makes wild threats like this he does it mainly to Xirnium however, it is refreshing to see he has a new victim, you merely need to nod and agree with whatever he says while privately think that he's lost or is loosing his marbles, or at the very least has a very slack grip on reality.

This isn't directed at SEA, but was rather brought up by this little conversation.

Has anyone noticed how many people in NS make these threats all the time, but NEVER actually do anything? There are several nations like that from 2004 or early 2005, who will act as if they can take over the world but the MINUTE a war starts they yell something about godmodding and ruin the RP.

I honestly don't think you've learned the lesson of what happened to Kraven.
I don't use people for the last time already.

And Novacom, I'm not insane.

I don't use people for the last time already.

Then I fail to see how you would intend on carrying out your implied hypothetical threat, or your little plan.

It's called "alliances". You and the SWC often together kick the tar out of Saharistan, who fails to learn, does he?

And I DO WHO IS FASCIST WHITE STATES AND WHAT HE DID. Understood?

It's called "alliances". You and the SWC often together kick the tar out of Saharistan, who fails to learn, does he?

But Saharistan (or, rather, the player behind him) isn't several times the size of my own nation, doesn't have the AMF military, and sure as hell doesn't have dozens of allies willing to back him up if he catches a hint of a dogpile on him.

And I DO WHO IS FASCIST WHITE STATES AND WHAT HE DID. Understood?

Maybe this week's gotten more to me than I thought, but I am unable to comprehend that sentence in my current sleep-deprived state. Would you mind clarifying it for me?

And I DO WHO IS FASCIST WHITE STATES AND WHAT HE DID.

Understood?
Nope, that one was completely incoherent.

And no, this is not a threat to X Amestria, especially considering that (while this is not public IC info, it's secret IC) Xirnium and Yallak has gotten involved with the ViZionarian Conflict against Villian and CAD, and that Yallak has to do a lot of grovelling to Sarzonia (or convincing MassPwnage to attack me, as like X, I'm officially neutral because I have a JC conflict on hold and awaiting, so as my leader and is a democrat, SICly they're planning to help Congressional with logistics) to help him engage and win a two-thousand-plus strong fleet, do I need to make one?
What?? Yallak is going to convince MassPwnage to attack you?

I still say its Hals fault!

I don't think relations between Yallak and MassPwnage are very good, given that MP's thrown his / her hat in with CAD (whatever that stands for... Coalition Against Democracy? Not sure...) and is therefore fighting on the opposite side of Yallak in the ViZion war.

Besides, Yallak wouldn't need MP as an ally to do some serious damage.

Xirnium and Halberdgardia, FWS was a White Nationalist and a racist pig, but from what I've heard, a good rp'er. Too bad AMF backed him, and he thought that he was invincible, going on a rampage attacking 12 plus nations.

AMF didn't like this ICly and OOCly, sick of his racist rantings as well, so Dreadfire pulled a dirty trick and destroyed his nation. The player behind FWS lost his head, and SPAMed, flamed and eventually earned a DOS (Delete On Sight).

I still say its Hals fault!

Dammit, I think you're right! Down with Hal!

Eeefoc!

...

What the fuck are we talking about?

What?? Yallak is going to convince MassPwnage to attack you?
I meant that from an OOC perspective.

I still say its Hals fault!

Oh, shut up, you. :p

Dammit, I think you're right! Down with Hal!

Eeefoc!

Dammit, you crazy Virginian, you're supposed to be on my side! :p

...

What the fuck are we talking about?

An excellent question. I second that.

Now, we're talking about Fascist White States and comparing him with The Kraven Corporation.

Kahanistan, CAD stands for Crimsdale, Artica, and Doomingsland. Originally a triumvirate between those three nations, it has since evolved onto the alliance of imperialistic dictatorships it is today.

What the fuck are we talking about?


An excellent question. I second that.

Car insurance!

Dammit, you crazy Virginian, you're supposed to be on my side! :p

I could have sworn you said "you crazy Virgin." This thread has so totally confused me I have no idea what is going on.

Meh.

*Turns on Nirvana "Nevermind.*

It fits the mood.

-snip-

Wow... you've officially lost it... Y'know, if President Burns becomes displaced in Torontia, we can have him, General Sita (after retirement, which may be coming) Tanakis, OaZ, and Karl Rove throw a party in Saharistan...

Wow... you've officially lost it...

MAD! MAD they called me...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!:p

Seconded with McKagan.

MAD! MAD they called me...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!:p

I'm hypothesizing that the repeated stresses of this series of RPs has finally caused Ames to break down and go stark raving mad.

I'm hypothesizing that the repeated stresses of this series of RPs has finally caused Ames to break down and go stark raving mad.

I lost my girlfriend in the week before the TPLA collapsed... :p

No, I art noth seriouso.

I'm hypothesizing that the repeated stresses of this series of RPs has finally caused Ames to break down and go stark raving mad.

What ever gave you that idea? The non-sequiturs, the raving laughter, or the declarations of MAD-MAD...est?

Xirnium: TG...

How should I continue with my delegate?

How should I continue with my delegate?

Well the Convention has not officially restarted yet, nor have the Xirniumites announced the convention will be restarting early... So he would be hanging out in his room or with his staff.

He could be planning stratagy, do whatever he does to pass the time, or perhaps glueing the lamp back together and hoping that the Xirniumites don't notice he broke it...

X, what would happen if random things started flying from the window of the McKagan delegation.

What would happen if the McKagan delegation "infiltrated" another (empty) room and started throwing stuff out a window?

X, what would happen if random things started flying from the window of the McKagan delegation.
Haven't you already thrown a bottle out of a window?

What would happen if the McKagan delegation "infiltrated" another (empty) room and started throwing stuff out a window?
I think the guards will probably politely ask the McKagan delegation to stop.

Yes, I did have my resident Slash-like drunk throw a bottle out the window. Did you manage to find a way to respond to that? I doubt it, but I may have missed it in the middle of you and Amestria having your little affair thing. :p

X, did you read my post detailing who was FWS?

X, did you read my post detailing who was FWS?
Yeah, but does it have any relevance to anything?

Did you manage to find a way to respond to that?
No. I can send your government a bill for the damage, though, if you like.

Yes it does.

Kraven. If you think that my characters are as foolhardy as the FWS Government and the High Command of The Kraven Corporation, you're seriously mistaken people. Knowing the Freeks' sense of honor and brutality, they would never do that, Hal, Novacom and Xirnium.

Xirnium: TG...

BTW: Amestria does not have an Embassy in Torontia. It is in the process of setting one up but it has not yet been established...

BTW2: That "agents" accent would be easily detected as fake by a native Amestrian speaker or a trained intelligence agent.

OK, so I can fix my post, what would an Amestrian arrested by the Xirniumites want to see? You said there was no embassy yet, is there some diplomatic representative my agent can demand to see?

I would just leave the post the way it is... The poor man is obviously over his head and that is reflected in the fact he demands to see a non-existent Embassy.

(Asking for the Embassy can be assumed to mean any diplomatic official, so it does not really matter so much...)

Kraven. If you think that my characters are as foolhardy as the FWS Government and the High Command of The Kraven Corporation, you're seriously mistaken people.
Time will tell, but both Kraven and FWS threatened to use AMF to destroy nations, as have you.

Amestria, TG.

Then neither of us have met each other and understand how one another works, do we? :rolleyes:

Amestria, TG.

Got it...

Xirnium: Another TG...

Received and replied, Amestria.

Um Kahanistan, I can't believe this....

The delegation I have has a different hotel from the others....damn it. Forgot to add it in...

SEA, I believe you mentioned it in your post... Kahanistan must not have seen it...

Ho was invited by the High Ecclesiarchy to the second conference, which he (along with his homeland’s government) hoped would prove to bear good fruit. Around the time in which banter had occurred with the Novans and Amestrians, his PX-801 transport had arrived at the airport in Seattle, which had been rebuilt in time for the conference. The hotel he stayed at was not too far away from the conference location, or too far away a drive.

SEA, you mentioned the hotel, and although you did not specifically say it was not the Varda, you indictated (in my opinion) that it was a generic hotel (not the Varda).

Since the SEA delegate destroyed a Xirniumite furnishing, one can assume that he is at the Varda hotel with everyone else (Except Yallak's delegates, of course, who have returned to their military command centre)

Or it could be a Xirniumite piece of furniture imported from Xirnium and used by the hotel.

Well, you were talking earlier about how you were unsure how to introduce your delegate or something, so I wanted to create an opportunity for him to converse with mine.

Or it could be a Xirniumite piece of furniture imported from Xirnium and used by the hotel.
Either way doesn't particularly bother me.

Say Kahanistan, do your delegates know that back at home, the Kahanistanian Republic Guard is getting their asses handed to them by a couple of rogue nations that double as major military blocs, or is this preceding ViZion?

Or it could be a Xirniumite piece of furniture imported from Xirnium and used by the hotel.

Or the hotel could also have been furnished by Xirnium... It would not surprise me if Xirnium has moved its people into multiple hotels. Given the dearth of tourism in Torontia, most owners would be trying to get government contracts ("The hotel's yours for X months for X amount of money) until things pick up again...

Kahanistan: TG

Say Kahanistan, do your delegates know that back at home, the Kahanistanian Republic Guard is getting their asses handed to them by a couple of rogue nations that double as major military blocs, or is this preceding ViZion?

It is happening at the same time and they know...

Damn it, forgot about that. And Kahanistan, after the war gets over and done with, I'll get a few of my allies to help rebuild your military (and don't capitalize on this statement saying that I'm using mercenaries here people) and your domestic infrastructure.

Assuming Kahanistan still has its sovereignty, of course. MassPwnage seems intent on removing it if I don't surrender, which I have no intention of doing.

Well... we'll see how the war ends. By the way, I've been meaning to respond to your last post in the ViZion thread, I'd better get on it. :)

And hopefully use your armed forces less often, more emphasis on diplomacy and get it up to more NS standards, will you?

I'd like to know what everyone thinks of using the recent lull in IC activity to skip forward to the Convention proper at this point in time.

Xirnium TG.

The issue of the Kahanistanian agent should be cleared up first (can't take more then a day). After that is rapped up nicely, I move we have everyone assemble at the convention center for official talks.

I'd like to know what everyone thinks of using the recent lull in IC activity to skip forward to the Convention proper at this point in time.

You mean the actual CONVENTION?

That's what i've been waiting for FOREVER.

Like I said, there are lose ends with the fake Amestrian agent that need to be rapped up right before the Convention begins. It should be finished by later to night and the convention can then start some time tomorrow...

I suggest the following OOC schedule.

1) We finish the incident created by the Kahanistan agent pretending to be an Amestrian Military intelligence officer, the subsequent repercussions and other lose ends (as I said it can be finished in a day).

2) Once that is RPed up we go to the actual Convention, everyone will be assumed to be there and prepared (to save time).

I agree to that. I'm going to make a reference type post about the MISA (McKagan Imperial Security Agency) arriving in Seattle and supporting the delegation. It was such a quick and unexpected thing (the arrival) that the IMA supported them instead of the proper channel. I'm going to get them established in the area.

X, is this Hotel right across the street from the convention center?

Why are you moving so much security into the area?

I agree to that. I'm going to make a reference type post about the MISA (McKagan Imperial Security Agency) arriving in Seattle and supporting the delegation. It was such a quick and unexpected thing (the arrival) that the IMA supported them instead of the proper channel. I'm going to get them established in the area.
So if I get your meaning correctly, you are going to replace your delegation's security with MISA? That's fine, I guess (as long as you keep the detail to a reasonable size).

X, is this Hotel right across the street from the convention center?
I think the conference centre is several blocks away.

I suggest the following OOC schedule.
That sounds fine, so long as no other major dramas develop and delay the Convention yet again. Poor Gilda, she's had to deal with all types of crazy nonsense, from attempted abductions to assassinations. And all just to hold a conference!

It should have been held in Xirnium, Torontia is an insane place.

I'm not.

I'm just straightening it out so that the proper organization is doing what it should be doing.

I know, i'm picky like that. :p

So if I get your meaning correctly, you are going to replace your delegation's security with MISA? That's fine, I guess (as long as you keep the detail to a reasonable size).


You are correct. If anything, it should help ease any tensions that are present. There will no longer be IMA APC's sitting in a random parking lot or roaming around the streets.

That sounds fine, so long as no other major dramas develop and delay the Convention yet again.

I do not see that happening.


Poor Gilda, she's had to deal with all types of crazy nonsense, from attempted abductions to assassinations. And all just to hold a conference!

On the bright side if she pulls this off it will look quite good for her in the Xirniumte press...


It should have been held in Xirnium, Torontia is an insane place.

I call it the Torontian curse, if this Convention fails it will be official, every Conference held in Torontia is doomed to failure...

(PS: Remember to include the bit on Gilda eating “breakfast”.)

That's what i've been waiting for FOREVER.
On another note, we must have easily set a record for the longest series of "arrival" posts before the start of the actual fromal conference of a diplomatic thread ever. Something like 20 pages.

Mckagan: TG(s)

Mckagan: Another TG...

Xirnium: TG

Xirnium: Uber-TG.

Xirnium: TG
Replied.

Xirnium: Uber-TG.
Replied.

Xirnium: TG

Replied, Amestria.

Xirnium, another uber-TG.

Xirnium: TG

Replied, Amestria.

Ames, TG.

Lone Alliance, telegram.

Since we have now cleared up the issue with the Kahanistanian assassin, I suggest skipping forward to the Convention proper.

Assuming that there are no objections to this, my next IC post will get the convention started.

X, how should I clear up the mess my ambassador made? Also, what will Gilda say when my ambassador's aide or one of his bodyguards tells her "Don't mind this imbecile, despite his efficiency, he's going to have to get sacked eventually. Hell, don't blame Neo, whom actually admires you and your fellow Cardinals' mastery of politics, for Ho's nomination: he pretty much abhors him!"

X, how should I clear up the mess my ambassador made?
Since you're apparently at a private hotel, I assume the Torontians who operate it will provide your ambassador with a nice bill.

, what will Gilda say when my ambassador's aide or one of his bodyguards tells her
Thre's only one way to find out.

The First Torontian Consitutional Convention is now in session.

Say, this just popped into my head: Does Xirnium have their own native dialect, or do they use dialects commonly found around the globe?

Xirniumites speak English with no additional local words other then proper nouns.

Same here in the USAN....except that you can find some slang words used by the lower classes occassionally, and that the USNSEA, though many objected to it, uses American English instead of the UK, but uses the British education system.

While we are on the subject of language, Amestrians speak a Franco-Germanic dialect. However, as English is the majority language of the NS world and the dominant language in diplomacy and international business, most Amestrians are capable of speaking it as well (but prefer not to). Amestrian is the official national language of Amestria.

Novan is fairly song like, there's nothing like it in the world really, it's a very emotional language, the same spoken word changes on tone of voice, for example neutral for one word could be Soldier, Positive would be Hero and Negative would be Villain. Written it is visually similar to music, except the lines signify the emotive tone, and several Novans speaking all at once in Novan can often be very moving, depending on what they are saying :p

A few more titbits for your translation program Ames,.

Kahanistan: TG

Amestria, replied.

So.... one month and five days later, why is this still going on? It boggles the mind. x_X

So.... one month and five days later, why is this still going on? It boggles the mind. x_X

Because its an interesting RP and we are all still writing in it. Should only be confusing to those who lack a mind.

I really hate to contribute to the problem, but eh, what the hell...

Here's what I see. In the time that has passed since Torontia was wasted as a result of siding with Kraven, the Consortium has risen, fallen, AMF conquered Kraven itself, and I've successfully propped up three seperate tinpot dictatorships. And somehow, Torontia is still not fixed.

What in the name of God's green earth could possibly take this long to iron out?

Well... for starters, the delegates don't all get along. One delegation got itself kicked out, my delegation doesn't like Amestria's delegation, and one of my guys in the service of a rogue general tried to kill my delegate and frame the Amestrians.

Also, the Torontian conflict in general has been plagued by OOC disputes, which often take days or even weeks to get sorted out. I try to avoid OOC conflicts disrupting the RP, and usually kowtow to whatever I get told OOCly, but more recently I've been growing a pair of balls.

Finally, we should be within a few days of arriving at something all the occupiers can agree on. As for what happens then... well, only the Time God knows, and s/he's not talking. :)

Less then two days have elapsed in the Constitutional Convention thread ICly.

Building a government from scratch multilaterally takes time, and there have been many setbacks along the way. I don't think that this has taken too long at all.

Less then two days have elapsed in the Constitutional Convention thread ICly.

I suppose that's the real mind-bender there...

Anyway. Since Kraven indirectly started this nonsense, why not make him fix this problem? He won't be causing any problems with AMF's boot heels on his throat.

I mean, c'mon. War reparations!

What in the name of God's green earth could possibly take this long to iron out?

You try getting about 10 different nations (each with different political systems) to agree on one method of governing Torontia (without just forcing them too militarily - i tried that and it just dragged more disagreement and nations into the affair.)

Hmm. What nations are we talking about? Can I get a list?

All those involved so far (those i can remember):

Yallak
Saint Fedski
Amestria
McKagan
The Lone Alliance
Xirnium
Halberdgardia
Novacom
Kahanistan
Southeast Asia
Tannenmille

and then there are the puppet factions of the TPG and TIG that were involved.

I mean, c'mon. War reparations!

Like Kraven has anything left of value after Freeks vengence and looting...

A long time has passed since the Xirnium invasion anyway, its a little late...

Hal, TG response wanted!

Like Kraven has anything left of value after Freeks vengence and looting...
The only thing that Kraven had and which the Xirniumite government wanted is the heads of those responsible for the invasion. And Xirnium now has those individuals in question (73 high level officers who planned and ran the unlawful invasion) in their custody (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467861), awaiting ruthless justice.

Okay, thanks for that list. From that, I did a bit of math.

Here's the defense sector of all parties involved, in NS$:

Yallak = 50,587,013,729,926.90

St. Fedski = 11,948,732,465,741.04

Amestria = 18,978,222,547,906.89

McKagan = 34,681,342,388,241.71

Lone Alliance = 4,073,255,016,011.43

Xirnium = 1,806,749,472,881.45

Halberdgardia = 27,200,031,792,979.58

Novacom = 13,930,152,870,816.00

Kahanistan = 10,599,261,552,246.25

Here's my defense sector:

Bretton = 141,350,198,948,582.40

So, a logical conclusion becomes us: this could be over in a week if, say, Yallak and I put up an alliance and booted all the other parties out of Torontia. The same could also happen if we replaced Yallak with Halberdgardia, or McKagan, though it wouldn't be quite as easy.

Now, even though this is a purely hypothetical scenario, I'd be up for pursuing it if any of the above mentioned parties are interesting in ending this bickering in an swift fashion.

Count me out - you were an ally of the Kraven Corporation and hence it would take a hell of a lot of time and good relations between us before we'd work with you.

Feh, ask Xirnium about the 'alliance of convenience' if you'd like to know how I feel about Kraven. Now, if only we had gotten around to implementing that...

You missed me out.

Feh, ask Xirnium about the 'alliance of convenience' if you'd like to know how I feel about Kraven. Now, if only we had gotten around to implementing that...

Interesting...i though you and he were fairly close allies. I take it that i was wrong?

What calculator are you using? According to NSTracker, I have a defense budget of about $8.5 trillion, not $10.6 trillion. I've been scaling back defense spending, I want to get it down to about 20%. (When you're getting pwned by forces that have about 70% of your defense budget and hardly any taxes to fund their war machines, the funds are clearly not everything.)

NSEconomy, I guess.

What calculator are you using? According to NSTracker, I have a defense budget of about $8.5 trillion, not $10.6 trillion.

Its NS $ - your budget times your exchange rate: which in your case is about 1.2

Say Kahanistan, after you drag yourself out of the deja vu mess (think of AMF and the most of Gholgoth as Coca-Cola, and CAD as Coca-Cola Lite), do you mind if my defense ministry helps your military gets up to more NS standards so that you can be a more formidable force?

Or do you want my defense minister to NSify your military while your armed forces go underground and wait for the time to strike and retake back the DSRK?

Interesting...i though you and he were fairly close allies. I take it that i was wrong?

Kraven and I were allies for a period, but mainly as a vehicle for conquest, which I enjoy doing.

It started going downhill when he made it mandatory for all Consoritum members to have the freak Capitol Police stationed in their country, and to offer up X amount of people yearly to go into his bio-soldier programs.

When he and AMF came to blows, I sided with the Freeks, mostly on account of the fact that while Kraven and I share views of glorious world domination, our methodology is very different.

Hell, compare our two bare-bones nations. I'm a Benevolent Dictatorship, and that is -not- easy to maintain.

X, what punishment will the military commanders receive when (inevitably) they are found guilty? Execution? Serving a 2000-year-old-jail-term?

X, what punishment will the military commanders receive when (inevitably) they are found guilty? Execution? Serving a 2000-year-old-jail-term?

All of the 73 Kraven officials currently being held in Xirnium are to be charged with having committed “crimes against peace”, “warcrimes” and/or “crimes against humanity”.

The maximum punishment for each of these offences is "death by firing squad", which the prosecution will pursue. It is curious that these are the only remaining offences for which Xirniumite Law still prescribes the death penalty.

Most of the administrative divisions in Southeast Asia are anti-death penalty, in fact, as my PM is greatly based off myself, he (like me IRL) is against the death penalty for 99% of the time.

Crime is an alien concept nowadays in Novacom, things are at a stage where there's no need to commit crime, they only death sentances slated are for Admiral Kukonois if I ever get my hands ICly on him though bear in mind I still ICly think it's the Crazed Malo Kukonois who tried to destroy the world by cracking the earths crust...

As for going things off numbers alone, that isn't perhaps the best thing to do realistically, numbers only give a guide, if you were to put things in that simple format the Xirnium war would have ended in a resounding defeat with all AKA nations brought under swift and brutal occupation.

The remaining one percent is reserved for the absolutely lowest criminals of the absolutely lowest criminals, especially those whom he has a personal grudge against.

When I get my war with Joint Conglomerates back up again, his characters are in for a humiliating international tribunal.

SEA: The time to offer assistance is while I'm still standing, not after I'm a CAD colony. I think you've given diplomacy with MP / Doom a fair shake, and I certainly have tried harder than usual to be diplomatic, but apparently the I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon works on peace proposals, too.

Anyway, no, I don't mind being given some assistance in upgrading my military, I just have issues with the timing. Well, you don't want to ship weapons over the sea through a Pwnage blockade, or over the air (although the DSRK does not recognize a no-fly zone) or even through space (like the Otagians tried.)

BTW, how would you NSify my military?

The remaining one percent is reserved for the absolutely lowest criminals of the absolutely lowest criminals, especially those whom he has a personal grudge against.
So let me get this straight. Even though death is not a maximum sentence for any of your crimes, your Prime Minister can overrule it for specific individuals?

That’s a clear violation of rule of law.

Crime is an alien concept nowadays in Novacom, things are at a stage where there's no need to commit crime
Yeah, but it's easy when your nation is a utopia. :p

For those of us in the real world, things are not so easy.

So let me get this straight. Even though death is not a maximum sentence for any of your crimes, your Prime Minister can overrule it for specific individuals?

That’s a clear violation of rule of law.


Yeah, but it's easy when your nation is a utopia. :p

For those of us in the real world, things are not so easy.

I haven't got any crime either. I'd liken that more to the Stahlkörpe on every corner, though.

Well Utopia is fairly easy to create when you've had near isolation for over 7,000 years meaning the corruption found elsewhere in the world is not present in Novan Culture, it's fairly altruistic, and there is a dark side, you've seen that demonstrated in Admiral Kukonois, though that's starting to be supressed, and you will find other Novans have a certain edge to them I've never had a chance to show yet, though I have an outlet for it in mind.

No unemployment a very effective benefits program, thngs like tobbaco and drugs were never introduced into Novacom and as such they arn't a factor, and then you have what could be referred to as a big brother state, where you swipe in with your ID card into the building where your in, so your movements can be tracked, and then if you did commit a crime, escaping in a car (if you could find one) would be very conspicuous as my nation has a very highly developed public transport system meaning escaping after a crime is difficult, and then there are the cameras nearly everywhere and since the Capitol Enforcers can discover where you were investigations are usualy quick.

Let's see:

Projecting Power vs. Defensive Power:
Focus on your homeland defenses next time. You spend way too much dough on projecting power overseas. Your invaders are good at urban warfare, but as it's your home ground, you know it better than they do. Rig up traps, keep hidden, huge stores of guns should they somehow round the populace's firearms. Sarzonia's Z-39 Close In Combat Vehicle "Pit Bull" is something the RL US military needs. The RL US good at open warfare, but not as well performing in urban, and they're slowly correcting this. Sarzonia may sell some to you and give you LDPR.

Armor:
The Merkava is a handy tank to use, but it won't stand up to an RL tank like the Abrams or the Challenger....against Doom's Soviet Bloc designs (Note: SB mainly puts on a lot of extra systems simply for the marketing, but he is a fluid designer, so you can ask him to take out all the extras and it'll still be an effective tank) it's pretty much griefing. But a friend (Sarzonia) of a friend (Isselmere) of mine is a good designer (particularly on ships, but his air and land units are not bad).....his nation's MBT(the Kodiak) is modelled off the Merkava and several advanced designs, it'll have a better chance fighting Doom's Arbiter MBTs (a refitted sixth generation SB design). EDIT: I checked it again at the ViZion rp, Doom uses a tank called the DM-41A2 Caesar. Looks like he's scrapped his joint design with SB.

Air Force:
Quality. As the SEOTGT is allied with Doom, that puts you ICly off from buying Mac's Lu-45 Hawk. Doom is also a master of the skies. Read the guides in the Euroslavia Helpful Hints Series on air warfare, and toss out those RL designs. Like RL armor against NS armor (unless you've got good prose like AMF), RL planes against NS planes won't stand much of a chance. Mac has tipped you off about Mekugi's airplane designs in your OOC thread, deal with him and he might sell his F-33 Raven (while it's a lethal killing machine of the skies, it requires a lot of pampering and is expensive). If you don't want to read a guide, chat with Omz222 or Clan Smoke Jaguar (you probably remember them, they're the ones that commented on your missile design) for advice.

Navy:
Ah, your Achilles' heel. Guess what: Doom also has the same weakness as you do - only that he has better prose and tech. Get better designs or try and outsmart him: Isselmere, Sarzonia, Scandavian States and The Freethinkers are regarded in the NS world as global maritime powers and world leading designers. Have a conversation with them some time, a few of them have crossed swords with CAD nations (mainly Doom). Send them a TG or chat online, they'll gladly give you advice. And again, as it's not your specialty, focus on more defenses.


Hope I was of help.

So let me get this straight. Even though death is not a maximum sentence for any of your crimes, your Prime Minister can overrule it for specific individuals?

That’s a clear violation of rule of law.

No Xirnium....and I don't have a wartime powers act, which doomed the Weimar Republic pretty much.

By that, I meant my PM's personal stance. However, when JC destroyed my civilian investigation squad, it was a crime against the state, and that can be punished by death in SEA....though that doesn't happen often, usually offenders that have committed crimes against the state will be jailed for life. It doesn't mean Neo will execute them without trial like the TPG did, it means that the judges are not going to let the Joint Conglomerates Board serve a life imprisonment if (and definitely) found guilty. And Neo will be backing the jury and prosecutors when he gets his hands on them in front of an international tribunal....but there is a chance - very slim a chance - of them being found innocent and therefore let go free.

Hope I was of help.

Man there was a as many listed nation names as other stuff in there.

My revamping offer still stands too Kahanistan

Yallak: My info may not be correct. It's just picked up from what I've read and seen, I may not have researched deeply enough, so you'll have to look at my post again and go about searching the forums to see whether I'm correct.

thats cool, ill take your word for it

The Merkava is an Excellent tank, and is designed to ensure that if the tank is taken out, the Crew is still alive, so while Kahanistan my loose lots of Tanks to superior armour, His Trained tank Crews in a few cases will still be alive, which is a fair trade off in my eyes.

and why do you keep urging Kahanistan to change his tech?

Perhaps we should allow Kahanistan access to my shop eh Kraven :p

Because against your tanks Kraven or someone with more advanced tech than him, say The Macabees (check out his Cougar, it's a finely designed, but probably would be inefficient and too expensive to even get past the bureaucrats in Parliament)...and while it's a fair trade off Kraven, what's the point when the enemy that spends a lot on training, and is superior in training AND technology?

That's why his Merkava is hopeless against Doom's Caesar. But the Kodiak tank designed by Isselmere in my post, is in fact modelled off the Merkava, and has better armor and a better armanent.

I thought the Merkava was only up to the II not the III version, Kahanistan has said he uses an III version so that may be an indigenous upgrade, which might have better armnament and armour...

Read his works again Novacom. He uses Merkava IVs (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/MerkavaMk4.html), as detailed in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10197589&postcount=85).

I was under the impression that it only went up to a 2 version, not everyone is so hawk eyed SEA.

Because against your tanks Kraven or someone with more advanced tech than him, say The Macabees (check out his Cougar, it's a finely designed, but probably would be inefficient and too expensive to even get past the bureaucrats in Parliament)...and while it's a fair trade off Kraven, what's the point when the enemy that spends a lot on training, and is superior in training AND technology?

That's why his Merkava is hopeless against Doom's Caesar. But the Kodiak tank designed by Isselmere in my post, is in fact modelled off the Merkava, and has better armor and a better armanent.

Maybe so, but a tank crew that survives to fight another day is better than an untrained green crew, in the battle, the trained crews will score more kills than an untrained crew and will bleed the attacker greater than an army of greenhorns.

My Tanks don't have that fancy tech, apart from the Optics, they are crude and efficient, designed to do a job, they are more of a Conscript Army Tanks, but based around the ability to absorb damage and throw it back, The Emperor is a Heavy Tank, and the Soon to be Unveiled Imperator is probably going to be the Heaviest tank on NS (Although transport problems will limit its usage, its more of a Mobile Land Fortress come battle control centre)

Read my post again Kraven. Did I say the words "untrained crew in a tank" or not? Um....no.

Doomingsland is a desert country, and as a result, it specializes in land warfare, and it's imperial government uses nationalism to motivate the populace to join the armed forces, and devotes a lot of it's money to it's air force, armored units and training in the aforementioned branches. Not to mention, they're quite trigger-happy and have fought in a lot of conflicts, so they have much more experience. And, no offense intended to Kahanistan, but I find Doom's prose to be better in terms of describing battles.

What makes you think that his versed-but-can-only-go-so-far-crews-in-Merkavas can stand up to Doom's uberly-nationalistic, elitely trained crews and advanced armored units?

Read my post again Kraven. Did I say the words "untrained crew in a tank" or not? Um....no.

Doomingsland is a desert country, and as a result, it specializes in land warfare, and it's imperial government uses nationalism to motivate the populace to join the armed forces, and devotes a lot of it's money to it's air force, armored units and training in the aforementioned branches. Not to mention, they're quite trigger-happy and have fought in a lot of conflicts, so they have much more experience. And, no offense intended to Kahanistan, but I find Doom's prose to be better in terms of describing battles.

What makes you think that his versed-but-can-only-go-so-far-crews-in-Merkavas can stand up to Doom's uberly-nationalistic, elitely trained crews and advanced armored units?

No, I didn't mean it like that, what I'm saying is, if you have an Army full of Trained Crewmen, that gets wiped out in a few minutes of Battle and scores several kills against enemy tanks, whatever tanks you have left are going to be operated by poorly trained crewmen, so if your tanks have high crew survivability, the next time your tanks lock horns with enemy units, you will score a few more kills than you would with Untrained crews...

Perhaps Doom's armour and Crews are better, but that makes no difference, in the end every nation is different and has different quirks that make each nation different, if we all bought our stuff from the same storefront and all fielded the exact same military compositions NS wouldn't be as much fun.

It all depends on doctrine, and what atributes a nation's armed forces value. In warship design during the Great War, the Royal Navy favoured heavy firepower and good speed, whereas the Kriegsmarine went for survivability.

The result was that German warships performed slightly better at Jutland, but either decision was justifiable from different points of view.

What makes you think that his versed-but-can-only-go-so-far-crews-in-Merkavas can stand up to Doom's uberly-nationalistic, elitely trained crews and advanced armored units?
Who says that being "uberly-nationalistic" necessarily increases one's combat effectiveness?

Morale is a key factor in armed conflict Xirnium.

Your people had a lot of hatred against Kraven, and it provided morale for the war effort against the Corporation. It doesn't neccessarily improve fighting ability, but it goes to show that morale and support are key factors in winning an armed conflict.

Morale is a key factor in armed conflict Xirnium.
I'm not convinced that being "uberly nationalistic" necessarily blesses you with high morale. Good morale depends on many things: good equipment, gifted leaders, hot and frequent meals, warm clothing, letters from home, a campaign that is going well, strong espirit de corps, etc.

A nationalistic ideology is probably much lower down on the list.

I'm not convinced that being "uberly nationalistic" necessarily blesses you with high morale. Good morale depends on many things: good equipment, gifted leaders, hot and frequent meals, warm clothing, letters from home, a campaign that is going well, strong espirit de corps, etc.

A nationalistic ideology is probably much lower down on the list.

I don't know Xirnium, The Germans in WWII were facing defeat and had expended much of their resources and equipment and in some cases were completely out of food but they continued to fight on for their crazy Nationalist/Fascist Ideology.

Perhaps, but are we mixing up desperation with morale here? The morale in the German airfoce, for example, by the end of the war, with so many seasoned pilots lost and the inexperienced remnants having to fight against a vastly larger enemy would have been critically low. With German towns being bombed ceaselessly, though, the airforce would have had little choice but to continue to fly hopeless sorties against the enemy.