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I think it's time I got Wing Lee and Jack Bao'Er back out of the Phillipines. I'll throw in a kung fu black belt soccer player Stephen Chow just for the sake of it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12390325#post12390325

My south american adventures get underway...

Deep thoughts ahoy! Not Deep Thoughts such as that I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd like to see more and more planets fall under the ruthless domination of our solar system. Not really deep at all, to be honest.

Still, recent craziness being what it has, I'm considering a bit of a change. Not in the nation-abandonment/swap sense, mind. Something of a break from the norm, none the less.

I fancy a bit of retro-roleplay. The '80s, in particular. I'm going to go back and beef-up Commonwealth history and politics. I think that a lot of it is still too widely misunderstood. And some remains a little contradictory after so many revolutions.

There isn't enough appreciation of our problems, nor a widespread understanding of the differences between things like bluff and action, something that has lead me to the belief that there may be one or two poor losers around, which makes winning a lot less fun even if you did blag it. Back in the day, there was no hiding Beddgelen shortcomings, and, since nobody took issue with that, it was often more fun.

So I'm going to be doing a lot more specific RP about the problems facing Sovietists from day to day. Apparently crashing WIGs, abandoning whole national revolutionary movements to competing ideologies, launching drastically under-performing warships and being forced to employ and then scrap them, halting major construction projects, being unable to back-up bluster with action, flip-flopping on potential allies due to political turmoil inherent to our system, and so on and so forth, is not sufficient. There will have to be a lot more dwelling on the mundane issues behind such happenings and conditions. Early example: the drunken use of socks and diesel fuel to bind a leak in a coolant line aboard a serving warship by a fellow not keen to miss celebrations over a partial victory against the forces of reaction.

More importantly, I want to clear-up those contradictions, such as the supposedly invasive Geletian warrior spirit against the humanitarianism of the Commonwealth. The importance of the 1st Commonwealth and the harsh eighties will, I hope, be made more evident, and so too the disdain felt in Soviet India for the years of the 2nd Commonwealth and the Roaring Nineties.

Resulting from this, in AMW, our influence may be perceived more as the product of fear and less of friendship, but mainstream NS can always keep alive my dream society.

I'll still fit in changes such as the 4th Commonwealth's upheaval, but they'll be perceived in a different context, I dare say.

AMW can have what it has been asking for [Sinister gaze].

Dear Lord, BG, are you saying your planning to write the great Igovian novel? Or are you going back in time to RP with others? If so, may I play a hopeless and doomed principality? Ive dreamed of an RP where the peasants storm the palace! Torches and all!

I'll get back to you tomorrow!

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519948), the difficult '80s. Trying to fill in some of the background. Victoria and Salvador will come. Might even do an AMW version of the Battle of Salvador, for which we'll need some conservative/reactionary warships to take a thoroughly unexpected kicking, cementing the Indian revolution and introducing everybody to the truths of the missile age, in case the Falklands hadn't been sufficient to get the message across.

Hmm. I see Armand is fleshing out the Elian-Combine war...would I be able to jump in, try to get to grips with some of Elias' history?

Sure!

hey everybody, I just noticed that I am not on the list, I would appreciate it if you could make it clear that Greece is taken.

Thanks!:p

And if not: :upyours:

Yes, you are in.

WWJD
Amen.

Found it!

So, who, exactly is alive? I looked at Dra-poel's List and quite a few of those players aren't with us anymore, maybe detracting anymore sign ups because if you look at the list, just about the whole world is taken.

Not here anymore...
Abream [New Switzerland], African Commonwealth [The African Commonwealth], Franberry [The Southern Confederacy], Iansisle [Mannicagua], Neo-Anarchos [The Federal Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes of Neo-Anarchos], Space Union [Germany], The Macabees [The Kingdom of Spain], United Arab Republic [United Arab Republic], United Elias [The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias], USSNA [The South African Federation],
Walmington on sea [Walmington (or Britain)]


I have no idea...
Dai Nippon Koku [Japan], Depkazia [Depkazia], Lusaka [United African Republic], Spizania [Kingdom of Morocco], The Gupta Dynasty [The Ottoman Empire], Yugo Slavia [The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and The Lavragerian Republic].

AfCom and Neo Anarchos has been very in and out, and did imply that he'd be back again, but it has been a while. Either way, NA is swarming with Soviet troops, and AC ha a fair few Indians after Kinshasa was bullied into letting us through =)

Germany has a new player. Spain needs a new one but is at the moment considered still part of the HL. Switzerland, part of Central America, Argentina, nobody cares (except for China's interests in Arg).

UE is gone, but we know that.

Britain was handed over to Gurg, DNK may or may not be still with us, Lusaka we're RPing as breaking up into its constituent republics, Yugoslavia and Depkazia are absolutely fine... Depkazia is expanding almost daily, and could eat, say, Austria for breakfast ;)

AfCom and Neo Anarchos has been very in and out, and did imply that he'd be back again, but it has been a while. Either way, NA is swarming with Soviet troops, and AC ha a fair few Indians after Kinshasa was bullied into letting us through =)

Germany has a new player. Spain needs a new one but is at the moment considered still part of the HL. Switzerland, part of Central America, Argentina, nobody cares (except for China's interests in Arg).

UE is gone, but we know that.

Britain was handed over to Gurg, DNK may or may not be still with us, Lusaka we're RPing as breaking up into its constituent republics, Yugoslavia and Depkazia are absolutely fine... Depkazia is expanding almost daily, and could eat, say, Austria for breakfast ;)

LOL, point taken.

So that just leaves Gupta, Spiz and to a lesser degree those other two, NeoAnarchos and African Commonwealth.

Gupta I'll add just because he's posted on this page and Spiz I'll take out, especially compared to how his activity is on other Earths.

I did have a map completed, but had to switch to my laptop with my somewhat completed map on my desktop. So I'll try to make it again; it always helps new guys to have a map, especially with so much else, like HL, non-HL, stuff they need to grasp.

This will likely be one of many editions, as the map is slowly formed.

Adding Vecron, somehow forgot about him...

Help on Africa and India would be appreciated, haven't quite gotten to North and South Korea, and as for the Spyr Pennisula, does anyone have a map for that?

Sorry for the grotesque size that warps other posts out of contex, yet, it can't be helped. Any smaller and it loses most definition beyond vague outlines.

DNK may or may not be still with us


I'm currently working out the kinks in Die Letztes Symphonie, and I may need a decent South American country to have as their 'playground'. Actually I might create a new nation to represent them, as DNK is very much Japan, which I gave up.

I have been reading up on this, and was wondering if I could lay claim to Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Indonesia, and the Republic of China (Taiwan)? Didn't see anything on claims sorry if they are and I can ammend.

Indonesia is presently divided into Sujava and the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, and the two halves of New Guinea are united to form a single independent state. There are a fair few NPCs thrown into that mix, such as East Timor and Papua, and the IRI is technically NPC, though I am currently playing it. Anywhere in Indonesia, or the former Bonstock for that matter, comes with a serious amount of historical baggage, so if you want to play one of those places you'd have to learn the AMW background. RL Taiwan is very much united with mainland China, and North Korea still belongs to the founder, Dra-pol. South Korea is indeed NPC, but about half of its national territory was taken-over by our North Korea in the war that led to AMW's founding. It too has some AMW history to contend with, but nobody's actually played South Korea for ages, and the nature of its government would seem to be rather ambiguous. Japan, I believe, is indeed open, and there is still some AMW-specific history to contend with here, but Japan has the plus of not actually being involved in any running conflict.

Germany has a new player.

Well at least I'm not the "new guy" anymore.

I have been reading up on this, and was wondering if I could lay claim to Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Indonesia, and the Republic of China (Taiwan)? Didn't see anything on claims sorry if they are and I can ammend.


Long Answer:
Indonesia is presently divided into Sujava and the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, and the two halves of New Guinea are united to form a single independent state. There are a fair few NPCs thrown into that mix, such as East Timor and Papua, and the IRI is technically NPC, though I am currently playing it. Anywhere in Indonesia, or the former Bonstock for that matter, comes with a serious amount of historical baggage, so if you want to play one of those places you'd have to learn the AMW background. RL Taiwan is very much united with mainland China, and North Korea still belongs to the founder, Dra-pol. South Korea is indeed NPC, but about half of its national territory was taken-over by our North Korea in the war that led to AMW's founding. It too has some AMW history to contend with, but nobody's actually played South Korea for ages, and the nature of its government would seem to be rather ambiguous. Japan, I believe, is indeed open, and there is still some AMW-specific history to contend with here, but Japan has the plus of not actually being involved in any running conflict.


Short Answer: Yes, except for Taiwan and North Korea.

Medium Answer: Yes, as long as you somehow tie into your intro RP a mending of relations of Indonesia and Japan. Maybe some sort of broad 'Asia for the Asians' movement, or a coup funded by the Japanese. You just have to do something.

Well, it's good to see you Carl, this is a tas different then EFJ, but still good.

Well at least I'm not the "new guy" anymore.
LOL, hey 'new player'.

I'm currently working out the kinks in Die Letztes Symphonie, and I may need a decent South American country to have as their 'playground'. Actually I might create a new nation to represent them, as DNK is very much Japan, which I gave up.

Argentina? Well, thanks for confirming your giving up of Japan.

Does the map work for all of you guys, is it just my computer that can't load the image?

Good start, Moorington, but you're taking on a giant pain in the neck to get AMW's map right =)

In South America Gurg's holdings in Brazil are adjacent to Uruguay, and also include Buenos Aires. I forget exactly how far up the coast they stretch, I'm sure he'll help you.

Mexico is part of the US, now.

Costa Rica and Panama are Costa Paz, but that whole RP is a bit sidelined by the current war so it's hard to say what's going on there now.

In India, Goa should be Roycelandian red (for now!). The Seven Sisters states (in the NE, east of Bangladesh) are independent, as is Sikkim.

The ISC is Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, West Bengal, and Bihar. Oh, and the Lakshadweep.

Uttar Pradesh is part of the Armandian Combine.

Whose is Haryana? And Uttarakhand? Is that Combine?

The INU is, er, what parts of Pakistan are still Union? Plus Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan...

Kazakhstan is Tsarist, but Uzbekistan is part of the Depkazi Caliphate. Part of Northern Pakistan and Northern/eastern Afghanistan is also under the control of the Caliphate.

Oh, I think Moldova is under Tsarist occupation, too, isn't it?

Good start, Moorington, but you're taking on a giant pain in the neck to get AMW's map right =)


Hopefully it'll encourage people to join, or something.


In South America Gurg's holdings in Brazil are adjacent to Uruguay, and also include Buenos Aires. I forget exactly how far up the coast they stretch, I'm sure he'll help you.
He'll need to help me out, for now I give him BA, then a strip of coast seperated by Uruguay.


Mexico is part of the US, now.

Fixed.


Costa Rica and Panama are Costa Paz, but that whole RP is a bit sidelined by the current war so it's hard to say what's going on there now.

I'll hold off judgement for now.


In India, Goa should be Roycelandian red (for now!). The Seven Sisters states (in the NE, east of Bangladesh) are independent, as is Sikkim.

Added.


The ISC is Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, West Bengal, and Bihar. Oh, and the Lakshadweep.

Changed. Jharkhand just buts into your territory, it's not yours?


Uttar Pradesh is part of the Armandian Combine.

Whose is Haryana? And Uttarakhand? Is that Combine?

I just filled in what looks right, pending AC's confirmation.


The INU is, er, what parts of Pakistan are still Union? Plus Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan...



Kazakhstan is Tsarist, but Uzbekistan is part of the Depkazi Caliphate. Part of Northern Pakistan and Northern/eastern Afghanistan is also under the control of the Caliphate.


Kinda of vague, I'll give the Caliph:
North-West Frontier Province (NWFP)
Azad Kashmir
Northern Areas
Islamabad Capital Territory
Federally Administered Tribal Areas

As for Afghanistan, well, I'll just make some sort of line and call it good. It has way to many tiny regions for my tastes.


Oh, I think Moldova is under Tsarist occupation, too, isn't it?

For now, I'll ad it.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.011631da12.png (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?011631da12.png)

Oh, you're right, Jharkhand is part of the ISC. Joined at the same time as West Bengal, but was more easily integrated.

Indonesia is presently divided into Sujava and the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, and the two halves of New Guinea are united to form a single independent state. There are a fair few NPCs thrown into that mix, such as East Timor and Papua, and the IRI is technically NPC, though I am currently playing it. Anywhere in Indonesia, or the former Bonstock for that matter, comes with a serious amount of historical baggage, so if you want to play one of those places you'd have to learn the AMW background. RL Taiwan is very much united with mainland China, and North Korea still belongs to the founder, Dra-pol. South Korea is indeed NPC, but about half of its national territory was taken-over by our North Korea in the war that led to AMW's founding. It too has some AMW history to contend with, but nobody's actually played South Korea for ages, and the nature of its government would seem to be rather ambiguous. Japan, I believe, is indeed open, and there is still some AMW-specific history to contend with here, but Japan has the plus of not actually being involved in any running conflict.


Um okay. I'll take Japan, w/e left of S. K, Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia, and give me a look see at Indonesia and I'll decide whether I want to take on the responsibilites of rping it.

While I'm already at it, who is controlling the Sakhlin Islands?

Are there any countries alive in Africa?

Does France control Algiers? I'll go check Dark Continent to see...

As for Carl, I'd drop Indonesia and Malaysia, then go for a Cambodia and Laos, along with your other claims.

Make it a lot simpler.

Eh, fine. But to make up for loss of population, is there anyway I can snatch up Singapore?

Eh, fine. But to make up for loss of population, is there anyway I can snatch up Singapore?

Sure, as long as you incorporate something into your intro detaling why your forces are there, why it's part of you. (Maybe something like your trying to destroy the last remenants of Bonstock and seize the country so as to make sure it never tries something like that again?)

I know those threads are around here somewhere, I didn't actually participate in that war so I am a little foggy on the details myself.

I'm kinda confused with the post of claimed countries. Which ones are open?

Alright, will do. I will begin my factbook.

Most of E. Asia isn't open

A good chunk of E.Europe is open, Africa is mostly open, S is almost entirely open.

I'm kinda confused with the post of claimed countries. Which ones are open?

Granzi! You started a movement, or at least made some look inwards for a second before carefully quelling within themselves the part which almost listened to reason. I don't know what Koppar is going to do, I think he is just going to stay and get concessions from Granate and Amazonian Beasts, then leave for good.

I digress, lets get off that Earth and onto this one.

Mainly, my map above gives a good idea of where everything is. I am a little blank on the subject of Africa, beyond the facts that war between several powers is happening in the locations of your former commonwealth. I would suggest South Africa and some other assorted countries, maybe a 'Grand Columbia'; Columbia and assorted countries, or maybe Canada. It's all up to you.

Of course, there is always Indonesia, but it has some history not for those looking to start out on.

I don't think I can take that much credit, but thanks. The main issue I had with EFJ is that regardless if African nations could win a conflict here and there, we had no chance of ever coming out on top. I've had some experience with different Earths (HP's Earth, Earth II, World at War) but in each one, independent of the countries you chose, you had a fighting chance to accomplish something.

So anyways, back on this earth. Could you perhaps explain what you mean about Indonesia's history? If its nothing major, I'd like to move in Southeast Asia. Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia.

Edit: I must learn to read... Noticed your previous post. In that case, I'll claim South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and south Malawi. Can you include Lesotho and Swaziland with S. Africa as well?

I don't think I can take that much credit, but thanks. The main issue I had with EFJ is that regardless if African nations could win a conflict here and there, we had no chance of ever coming out on top. I've had some experience with different Earths (HP's Earth, Earth II, World at War) but in each one, independent of the countries you chose, you had a fighting chance to accomplish something.

I must learn to read... Noticed your previous post. In that case, I'll claim South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and south Malawi. Can you include Lesotho and Swaziland with S. Africa as well?

Aye, I agree.

I'm not really a African player, I know Crooked Beat knows something. My opinion is that it is all open, and I do approve you; yet to make it official you are going to need to RP something to show the guys what they can expect.

I think some will have reservations about the expanse, so it may come down to you giving up some of your initial claims, to be invaded later that is. Maybe, lets say, south Malawi and northern Mozambique? Of course, you may yet be able to snatch all of southern Africa (the continent that is). Oh, and of course Lesotho and Swaziland are included in the SA package, don't quite understand how they exist in RL.

Is it still possible to join this?

So do we just claim anything reasonable, or is there a certain number of countries/provinces?

And yeah, I've decided to not take action yet.

Yeah. But Cor did you get my TG about EFJ?

Corbournne-

Yes it is, and your initial claim is defind by 'reason'. So no, Argentina, Denmark and Eastern Canada claims, but Argentina sure works, maybe with Uruguay.

On the new bids for entry:

If you're seeking to join AMW, I'd recommend first doing a bit of research into background, asking questions and the like before you make a proper bid... in both your cases, you're looking at territories which have been involved in AMW RP and have rather detailed historical baggage that must be taken into account... obviously you aren't expected to know this when you first think of joining, but your eventual bid will have to account for it all.

Second, I'd suggest preparing a factbook which explains your proposed state... where it is, how it is run, how you see it fitting into the world's various power blocs, its history, and the like, taking into account the realities of the AMW world and its past events. A sample of your roleplay would be good here as well, to give us an idea of the quality of your potential contribution. Based upon that, approval may be granted or denied by consensus of current members, with particular influence given to those members involved in the particular region where your country is located.

A final note... you seem to be going rather big, grabbing up territories with disparate backgrounds simply because they look to be unclaimed by anyone else. I suspect your current bids are unlikely to be approved, even after drafting of factbooks and RP samples, because of this. It is far more likely that you will be approved if you aim for a smaller claim, both as those tend to be more sensible and as most members are disinclined to grant massive empires to untested new players.

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Moorington: I'll wait until the map is further along before popping in the singular anomaly that is Lyong, though for now Spyr can be indicated through its presence in Primorye (the Russian Maritime Province).
Sujava too is a bit up-in-the-air, in the same way as Africa, due to ongoing conflicts and the accompanying border shifts.

Okay, I'll edit that accordingly and let you handle Granzi and Co.

Sicne i'm not really active i don't suppose i much say but i would liek to point out that aisde from perhaps Malawi (strathdonia) and the remains of Mozambique (the crooked beat) coming to soem kind of formal agreement or perhaps the UAR finally uniting there isn't a huge scope for large southern african super states unless you are prepared to RP a lot of bloodshed.

If it Helps Malawi as mentioend above is known as Strathdonia in AMW and styles itself more or less as the isreal of the south, it even has a number of occupied teritories in mozambique this map helps illustrate the situation:
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/mozambiqueAMW.jpg
its not spectacularly clear but the Niassa district of mozambique is properly part of Strathdonia after askign to be annexd following the fall of the Simba administration.
The Free State was a right wing capitalist territory established with discrete Elian aid (after the Strathdonians started to get a bit more friendly with the Hindustanis and other left leaning nation states) and the 4 uncoloured districts are what makes up The Crooked Beat.

South africa has always been a bit of an enigma in AMW, even when it did have player it didn't do terribly much appart from try to sell people arms and make some sort of steps towards local power status of course the arival of French forces in the ECOWAS antions probabaly means that thsoe antions it would try to assert dominance over suddenly weren't paying much attention and despite historical differences were looking at joint operations agaisn tthe french along side the indians (of what ever stripe).

Oh dear, another random AMW ramble.

On the new bids for entry:

If you're seeking to join AMW, I'd recommend first doing a bit of research into background, asking questions and the like before you make a proper bid... in both your cases, you're looking at territories which have been involved in AMW RP and have rather detailed historical baggage that must be taken into account... obviously you aren't expected to know this when you first think of joining, but your eventual bid will have to account for it all.

Second, I'd suggest preparing a factbook which explains your proposed state... where it is, how it is run, how you see it fitting into the world's various power blocs, its history, and the like, taking into account the realities of the AMW world and its past events. A sample of your roleplay would be good here as well, to give us an idea of the quality of your potential contribution. Based upon that, approval may be granted or denied by consensus of current members, with particular influence given to those members involved in the particular region where your country is located.

A final note... you seem to be going rather big, grabbing up territories with disparate backgrounds simply because they look to be unclaimed by anyone else. I suspect your current bids are unlikely to be approved, even after drafting of factbooks and RP samples, because of this. It is far more likely that you will be approved if you aim for a smaller claim, both as those tend to be more sensible and as most members are disinclined to grant massive empires to untested new players.

Ok, I won't be able to commit much time until tomorrow, but could I perhaps have some links to IC threads so I can learn a little about alliances, wars, etc.

Well, if we are doing a current map, I think that Morocco should be Spain's color. Northern Algeria should be France's color, while after the bottleneck Southern Algeria should be Royce's color. Also Corsica is French too. New Caledonia is now British. As for Cote d'Ivoire, Burkina Faso, Benin, Togo, Mali, and Niger they should be colored a certain color and say 'disputed by the Holy League'. Libya should be BG's color, and say 'disputed by BG', the same for Sujava and Spyr. It would also be really cool if the disputed countries had verticle bars going across them! And Nigeria should really be the same color as Russia, if possible. It might be a little more work, but youve done very well so far, and it would make this much more accurate. Ciao.

Sujava?

Well, no vertical lines, yet I did outline the disputed territories in your color and BG's color. Hope it works.

This seems to be a lot more complicated than I originally thought. I'll be gone for the weekend, but when I get back, I'll RP something about a reduced southern African claim and get a factbook up.

Oh, Uruguay should be Gurgs, that's why it looks odd. Australasia was originally Australia plus Uruguay and a strip of Brazilian coast, then invaded Buenos Aires during the Falklands War.

Yeah, as to the claims... this thread's front page is hopelessly out of date because AMW has been quiet for ages. Almost all nations in the world have some kind of RP legacy.

A lot can under-go change from now on, but only a few are completely free to have an independent history.

Laos and Vietnam, for example, are currently following an Igovian path (that is to say, Indian Soviet, or Beddgelen), and a civil war in Cambodia sees the Khmer Rouge backed by the Soviet block and attempting to create Democratic Kampuchea. However, if a player wanted to claim territory there they could choose to RP Soviet allies as they stand, or to RP a movement away from Soviet influence, which would entail conflict from the start.


A general thought to AMW... our little universe is okay by the mods because a lot of us play forms of our NS nations. NPCs have their place and exist usually as RL nations. If new players come along they'll have a difficult task. They'll have to integrate into the AMW universe, but won't really be able to directly take over, for example, as Vietnam, because the mods wouldn't like it if AMW became swamped with people playing essentially alternate-history nations.

One solution, of course, would be for this theoretical new player to create an account called, say, SR Vietnam, or, taking China's example, AMW Vietnam, then, I dare say, it'd be hard to argue that they weren't playing their NS nation.

Anyway, a claim in SE Asia could easily incorporate Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia as a communist regional super-state, or, more difficult, could be over-taken by anti-communist forces. I doubt the Lao and Khmer people would be keen to see Thais back in federation with them, though, eh?

(Oh, and if it ever becomes a problem that we ignore the populations given in our NS pages, I say that AMW also includes a colony on the planet Zog, created when aliens stole ancestral humans and transported them there, and it now contains 90% of our population, we just don't care about it in any way, shape, or form =) )

I'm currently working out the kinks in Die Letztes Symphonie, and I may need a decent South American country to have as their 'playground'. Actually I might create a new nation to represent them, as DNK is very much Japan, which I gave up.

Well, it's either Argentina, Brazil or Chile (minus whichever pieces have already been taken). Argentina is currently AMW China's playground, while quite a few of the Brazilian states where Brazilians of German descent live are Gurg's. Chile appears to have a decent number of citizens of German descent (so Felix and the boys would be happy there), and I don't think it's really been used by anyone.

So would there be any objections to converting Chile into the haven for Die Letztes Symphonie? As I've said before, they're smart enough to know not to turn Chile into a Nazi state because the entire planet would smack them down within hours of their emergence. However, it might end up with a right-wing dictatorship simply because we have so few of them in AMW right now. I was thinking perhaps a military coup funded by the Symphonie which leads to an 'Iron Man of Chile' popping up.

Oh, Uruguay should be Gurgs, that's why it looks odd. Australasia was originally Australia plus Uruguay and a strip of Brazilian coast, then invaded Buenos Aires during the Falklands War.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense.


Yeah, as to the claims... this thread's front page is hopelessly out of date because AMW has been quiet for ages.


Dra-pol... Could you consider updating the front page so that instead of 'hopelessly out of date' to just, merely, 'out of date'?


(Oh, and if it ever becomes a problem that we ignore the populations given in our NS pages, I say that AMW also includes a colony on the planet Zog, created when aliens stole ancestral humans and transported them there, and it now contains 90% of our population, we just don't care about it in any way, shape, or form =) )

LOL, aye, Zog.

'Iron Man of Chile'

I think Spain would be more than a little concerned with things closer to home, like The War, but after things cool down, we'll always be happy to support a foothold, in essense, of our ideaology in the Americas.

Superb Moor! I think that is the first up to date AMW map weve had!

Moorington, nice work. I can immediately see one thing missing, however:

Me.

Iraq and Kuwait, would be all I hold at present. Nice and simple.

Moorington, nice work. I can immediately see one thing missing, however:

Me.

Iraq and Kuwait, would be all I hold at present. Nice and simple.

Okay, your're added, the Czech Republic has expanded into Austria a tad, and Tsar Wingert has recieved his Baltic nations.

That map is pretty-ful, Moorington. (oh, Jordan should be colo(u)red Ottoman colo(u)rs. It is practically an Ottoman puppet state anyway and once I can get the thread up, hopefully more than just that).

That map is pretty-ful, Moorington. (oh, Jordan should be colo(u)red Ottoman colo(u)rs. It is practically an Ottoman puppet state anyway and once I can get the thread up, hopefully more than just that).

Will do-

DNK, on Chile events look to be rather coincidentally favourable. United Elias always maintained that UE had backed the dictatorship there to keep Pinochet or an equivalent in power. With the Elians suddenly gone, there's bound to be some chaos and concern there, a fertile playground perhaps for new influences to take root.

Well, it's either Argentina, Brazil or Chile (minus whichever pieces have already been taken). Argentina is currently AMW China's playground, while quite a few of the Brazilian states where Brazilians of German descent live are Gurg's. Chile appears to have a decent number of citizens of German descent (so Felix and the boys would be happy there), and I don't think it's really been used by anyone.

No, I'm just controlling/influencing one character in Argentina. I'm quite ambivalent about what happens to it so anything is fine. We really need people in S. America so have fun. I guess it could be "leverage" if Britain tried to pull a quick one on France.

That map is pretty-ful, Moorington. (oh, Jordan should be colo(u)red Ottoman colo(u)rs. It is practically an Ottoman puppet state anyway and once I can get the thread up, hopefully more than just that).

We'll see, we'll see. For starters, to describe Jordan as an Ottoman puppet, having only lately ceased being part of the United Elias, strikes me as...dubious.
In fact, unless I'm very much mistaken on the timeline, I believe it's only officially been a few weeks since Elias collapsed and al-Rashid, amongst others, emerged...
(or is this running on ahead of all the Africa stuff and whatnot?)
If it's significantly more than that, there is much I must be doing, as I have thus far believed it too early to enact many things that Mesopotamia, and the wider region, have coming.

We'll see, we'll see. For starters, to describe Jordan as an Ottoman puppet, having only lately ceased being part of the United Elias, strikes me as...dubious.
In fact, unless I'm very much mistaken on the timeline, I believe it's only officially been a few weeks since Elias collapsed and al-Rashid, amongst others, emerged...
(or is this running on ahead of all the Africa stuff and whatnot?)
If it's significantly more than that, there is much I must be doing, as I have thus far believed it too early to enact many things that Mesopotamia, and the wider region, have coming.

I don't want to become the ruler of what territory is what, so, yoou guys figure it out...

I don't want to become the ruler of what territory is what, so, yoou guys figure it out...

I'd think if you wait on changing Jordan until the conclusion of Gupta's promised RP over it, as if nothing else you might have to change it to indicate being a puppet, then make it look like an actual part of the country, hehe.

Though, map aside, I'd be interested in a couple of points, especially how long we think has passed, ICly, since al-Rashid took over Mesopotamia.

Just a random question that's percolated out of my brain whilst browsing the forums and avoiding doing work, I'm not particularly looking to join; what nations on your map don't have a long and complicated RP history? It might be useful to list 'em for whatever new players decide they want a Futurist republic founded by the Great Green Giraffe Worshippers of Sconesia and Biscuitstan, or whatever else contradicts the real-world assumption that seems to be the default?

Just a random question that's percolated out of my brain whilst browsing the forums and avoiding doing work, I'm not particularly looking to join; what nations on your map don't have a long and complicated RP history? It might be useful to list 'em for whatever new players decide they want a Futurist republic founded by the Great Green Giraffe Worshippers of Sconesia and Biscuitstan, or whatever else contradicts the real-world assumption that seems to be the default?

That, of course assumes we want to have a Futurist republic founded by the Great Green Giraffe Worshippers of Sconesia and Biscuitstan, but for the sake of the discussion I will forfeit that answer, no, and blather away.

Since I only joined in 06ish, I think, I don't quite know of the active time between then and the starting of the RP beyond a few phrases dropped by some other members of the RP. So while I may believe something has not been controlled, thus RP history, it may actually prove to be false.

There are actually quite few, not because we have had a lot of players enter and leave, but because instead of pretending that Vietnam, for example, stays a increasingly capitalist Maoist socialist, we have Vietnam a Ignovian communist state,\. The reasons of course being that Vietnam, in RL, doesn't have a nice sized uber-red buddy beyond China, who is now mostly a market-socialist anyhow. Other Earths will just ignore NPCs all together for the sake of dubious qualities like 'simplicity' and 'sanity'.

Anyhow, I'll finish up this pre-amble:

Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, Andorra, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Slovakia, Poland and Romania for Europe.

Just about all of South America, beyond Costa Rica, Panama, and to a large degree Chile and Argentina.

Nothing in North America.

I'm somewhat unsure on Africa, but I know basically everything north of Congo is history filled, south of it, I think most of the countries are free.

In Asia, Thailand, those sister states of India, East Timor, Papa New Guinea Nepal, Mongolia, and Burma.

Of course, there could be mistakes, but that is a, for the most part, accurate picture.

Heh, the list is even shorter than that...

In Europe, Switzerland and Liechtenstein have/had a player.

In South America, the anarchist communes of Neo Anarchos occupied Colombia, Venezuela, Suriname, and Guyana (with the exception of a Roycelandian protectorate along the coast), while Peru briefly rose to prominence as home to a NeoSuunist revival and Japanese expats. Chile has an indirect history which could be shoved out of the way if a better story came along, as it was assumed rather than roleplayed, so it could be considered empty. Belize was a protectorate of United Elias after the British left (an offhand mention looking through UE-related RP, Diego Garcia was also a UE base, where the British were allowed to stop over, rather than the Anglo-US facility of reality). Argentina, having lost a chunk of land in the Falklands War and been RPed somewhat under the Southern Confederacy has, as you stated, an existing history as well.

In Africa, below the Sahara many countries are influenced by members or former members who came into AMW from the Sub Saharan Africa group, leaving quite a bit of history (and continuing presence) there.

In Asia... well, there isn't much of Asia that hasn't been touched in some way or another. Burma saw its democracy restored, Thailand was part of Marimaia along with Cambodia and Laos, Timor and New Guinea were both part of the FRB (which controlled whole islands rather than the pieces Indonesia has grasped at in RL).

Some Indian states might not have any direct historical events imposed upon them... Xiaguo was initially accepted into AMW with Mongolia as part of his claim, I believe, but I'm uncertain if AMW China has kept it or decided to ignore it so it can be open for new membership.

I would probably enjoy starting a new thread rambling about all this and looking for new players, but it would be irresponsible as I may be leaving tomorrow for up to three months (or not, this country is so god damned informal about everything up to a ridiculous point =) ).

Anyway, yeah, the Seven Sisters states of India's northeast have no notable history. Possiby the then-Geletian INA passed through at some point and caused some trouble, but that doesn't really have to bear on things in any great respect.

And Vietnam Maoist? Makes their choice of partners during the Sino-Soviet split a little odd, eh?

We had mongolia? I think it's been ignored largely in fact so for all intents and purposes consider it open.

Not that there's much to do there since Russia and China aren't threatening to blow each other up anymore.

I would probably enjoy starting a new thread rambling about all this and looking for new players...

And Vietnam Maoist? Makes their choice of partners during the Sino-Soviet split a little odd, eh?

To a certain degree, isn't that what this thread is all about?

Well, I was kind of guessing there, I knew they were controlled by some sonofabithcommunistreds but beyond that. *Shrugs*

Heh, the list is even shorter than that....

I stand corrected-

Right, after reading about this, that and the other, I need some opinions.

I was talking about either Brazil, Argentina or Chile for Die Letztes Symphonie's playground, until I did some checking: Chile and AMW's Argentina are both part of the Southern Confederacy with Paraguay (I haven't found anything to contradict this, so if anyone has anything that does, then please say so). AMW China's thread wasn't in 'Argentina', it was in the 'Southern Confederacy', so there's a significant question to be asked.

Is the Confederacy still intact?

Hmm interesting question. I do not know.

If there is a Southern Confederacy I do not mind you taking the entire territory. South America is currently completely dead and a major player with major territories could reawaken it. But if you do so I do not want you to claim all the territory is completely industrialized or some other nonesense.