NationStates Jolt Archive

He posts as Quintonnian Dra-pol as well, and right now there is a conference in the White House between the world's major powers.

well does he have a main thread?

Dont mean to be annoying....but is Cameroon a go?

It looks good to me, Ned. Any objections?

well does he have a main thread?

AMW doesn't generally work like that, but this is the closest I think you'll find:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460271

Nedalia, what are Cameroon's views vis a vis Roycelandia and the rest of Africa? I appreciate your patience with the whole thing, and I don't have any particular objections... I'm just getting a bit saddened by almost every new nation either ignoring Roycelandia or being opposed to us.

Roycelandia, any threads/links you can give me so I can read up on the history? Also, where can I find proper history/information on AMW?

Nedalia, your best bet is to head over to the Invision forums I linked to earlier and have a look there... there was an NSWiki with a Roycelandian History on it, but the whole wiki seems to have vanished!

Failing that, I'm only a TG away...

Nedalia: you can mark me down as approving.


Now of course the next question is: can i base an airborne regiment and soem fighters in your nation, please, pretty please?

Actually just kidding but just be aware of the fact you might be getting a lot of those requests from various people with interests in the ECOWAS conflcit...

It might not be a bad idea to have a brief-history thread for AMW, you know. I'd be very tempted to go and start one, but I'd end up in over my head and then unavailable to keep it up to date, I fear.

But perhaps we should have something with very broad/basic lines of key events on each continent. Anyone wanting to know more specifics about a particular event can then ask the involved parties, perhaps? Might help to lessen some recent problems?

Cameroon's introduction thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492106

Have a look!

The Cameroon thread looks good

so in the last week the game has expanded itself quite a bit.
Theres around 4 new nations, right?

As for your colonies, Austria, it still baffles me as to how you even got to them! No coastline, no allies with coastline, fiercely militaristic African nationalists that would jump to send an imperialist frigate down...It seems like you started out with them, and didn't give anybody a chance to react. If AMW was about the fair distribution of NPC countries amongst the PC countries in preparation for warfare like the old colonialists, AMW would be a very different place indeed. So when you do these things, you've got to announce it and, you know, give people a chance to react to it. If such things are even, you know, possible.

I posted a link for Dollor Diplomacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483665), and as you can see not a lot of activity anyhow, I actually took that for no one cares what happens to some land off Madagascar, amazingly enough.

Actually when I posted it I didn't know that it was filled with European hating Africans, I actually posted along the lines that the degrading political and social landscape of stagnant Mauritus would love to have a "Big Wallet" Big Brother over in Europe.

Same goes for Sao Tome and Principe, which I used to base my two ships -some old things I bought of from some NPC country or another- off from before paying Sao Tome and Principe for their troubles and moving over to Mauritus.

Then some African Unioun or somesuch sent a fleet over with 3,000 Marines, my 1,000 was then bolstered to 2,000 by a CEO turned Philanthropist organization who sent some "supplies" which included 1,000 assorted peoples who coincedentally just left the army and then signed right back up once they reached the islands in question.

From then on we have been pretty much saying every now and again that I have it or he has it.

No really final RP or conclusion has been reached but taken into the light the Mauritius doesn't want a Big Wallet Big Brother in Europe the point could be moot regardless.

Minor bit-

Thanks for clearing that all up, and USSNA, don't make Yugo cry, even though he is cheap slav who attacks you for almost no good reason I hate see anyone (except me of course) be consistently smacked down while trying to be kind to the n(oob)ew players.

Sorry, couldn't resist myself.

Anyhow, as such a hopefully rabid capitalist I started a Free Market Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491739), like a WTO of sorts.

AMW doesn't generally work like that, but this is the closest I think you'll find:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460271

Nedalia, what are Cameroon's views vis a vis Roycelandia and the rest of Africa? I appreciate your patience with the whole thing, and I don't have any particular objections... I'm just getting a bit saddened by almost every new nation either ignoring Roycelandia or being opposed to us.

It isn't as though you've had the best record in dealing with independent African states, though, especially those that *gasp* show signs of self-driven development. We know you, Royce. At the soonest opportunity, you'll kill them all and take their natural resources!

Anyway, Moorington...that doesn't exactly answer anything. It still leaves the question of, well, how exactly was it that you got Austrian nationals from Austria to Mauritius, especially when you supposedly renounced imperialism as a condition for a Yugoslav withdrawl? If we knew you didn't act on it, I'm sure we would have taken the chance to kick you out. Moreover, what NPC was about to sell you frigates? Hmm? What NPC nation has frigates to sell? And how would you crew them when you can't get to them? Its all very, very confusing.

Some map updating should now be showing-up. Hopefully.

Anyway, Moorington...that doesn't exactly answer anything. It still leaves the question of, well, how exactly was it that you got Austrian nationals from Austria to Mauritius, especially when you supposedly renounced imperialism as a condition for a Yugoslav withdrawl?
Yes, I remeber, something along the lines of "no more, no less.... Besides, we actually havn't gotten a real peace treaty formulated yet, really it seemed Yugo got what he wanted, left, and now everything is happy as pie, except with a lingering memory of to many Silvarian Marks out there and a slight panic in the Treasury Ministry, if to many people cashed in for their alloted silver the Ministry would run out and cause the Silvarian to lose any chance of respectableness and security.


If we knew you didn't act on it, I'm sure we would have taken the chance to kick you out.

Like OOC or IC? It's moot anyhow since IC all major Europeans are gone and OOC you can't because then the idea that OOC can't influence IC and vice-versa (which is a corner stone of the defense against several... accusations) is now, not as good looking as it was before.


Moreover, what NPC was about to sell you frigates? Hmm? What NPC nation has frigates to sell? And how would you crew them when you can't get to them?

An interested company based in Italy encouraged by the Italian government who saw a chance in getting some help in a new HL Austria because either a new pro-HL country always helps against rising anti-HLness, an close Austria could contain Yugoslavian agression (which Armadian was actually concerned about for a little bit), and/or could help get Albania back for Italy, being in the HL, even NPC wise, it should have some kind of ground work colonies laid out.

Crewing- out of several hundred thousand people the Austrian Navy with heavy amounts of funding could have "encouraged" anyone their work for crewing a ship in the high seas on tropical islands.

Its all very, very confusing.
Depends on whose perspective.

Depkazia has no interests in this, and I could understand how Italy might have built Austria some frigates, but since Austria was forced to quit its interest in the Holy League, doesn't the problem of access still remain? Your frigates and prospective colonies are again cut-off from the homeland, aren't they? I doubt that Mauritius has the facilities with which to service major surface combatants.

Perhaps in the long-term, if Austrian monetary aid was directed to building military-industrial infrastructure instead of civilian infrastructure.

But that would, apart from being counter-productive in respect of impressing the locals and convincing them that there's any benefit to association with Austria, be some way down the line, would it not? And wouldn't help at all if -forget the Europeans- the Indians or Africans decided to kick Austria out.

To me it seems that Austria should pull its head in and initiate a new set of policies, directed primarily at friendship with Germany, which newly has a player, and has sea access, all be it limited and somewhat confined by the HL and by Walmington if they desire it be so.

I could be misunderstanding something.

Well, if Moorington is so eager to have sea access, perhaps we could give him Denmark? We gave him Austria at first because we were worried about him not being that good of an RPer, but I think the fellow has proved himself to be fairly effective, and such a tiny, land locked nation does make him a bit limited.

I wouldn't totally oppose that, though I don't know if he wants it, but I rather think that some of the fun of AMW is finding other ways to cope with a situation that you realise you'd rather not be in. Relaxing is a big part of it: with Depkazia, from the start, I said that I'd be willing to change, even though I really liked my original set-up with the loopy leader and all, and now we're trying to align with China. And, having started down that road, it seems likely that China will pick the Combine over us, and we're in an even worse spot.... Chingiz wishes that Depkazia were a capitalist Austria bordering a capitalist Germany! Being landlocked isn't the end of the world, tens of millions of people do it.

Edit: Granted, Austria has about eight million people to Depkazia's near-45 million, but Austria has an economy worth more than US$20,000 per head (doesn't it, Moorington? I could be wrong) where we're pushing US$4,000 per capita; and, more to the point, his neighbours have seven, eight, thirty, eighty million people... ours have a hundred and forty million, three hundred million, one and a third billion people!

Rather than giving Austria Denmark, why not let him have A Port city in, Italy (Trieste, perhaps?), much like RL Russia has Kaliningrad/Konigsberg?

This gives Austria sea access, and if people are uncomfortable with the Italians selling the Austrians frigates, we could always say they were very old (WWII vintage) Roycelandian Frigates or something...

Look, Dra-pol and I founded this group so that we could maintain very high standards of RPing. This will not turn into another Earth ## because we won’t let it. We are willing to allow new members, as everyone here can tell you, because they were all new members at some point, but you need to respect what has come before.

Not only that, but in this RPing world, every single action that you do is reviewable by every single person in the RPing group. That is just a fact of life. You may argue and debate it, but you should be respectable and be willing to justify every argument that you have to the agreement of the majority of the players.

Now, my main issues, are:

The selling of nukes: This sends of nOOb warning bells, I know that you have called it off, but you must be careful with things like that. The next time any new nation pulls something like, that, the USQ will intervene militarily.

Secret Alliances: I don’t mind alliances, and I think that they are the bread and butter of AMW, but you had better have a damn good reason for having them in the first place.

Massive Arms Deals: These things need to be Rped over time and set up, and you all need to make sure that you actually have the resources to support militaries of the size that you are buying.

General Attitude: Saying that “you can’t tell me what to do in my nation,” says to me that you are refusing to talk and compromise. Everyone here is willing to come half way, but you need to come the rest.

And last but not least, I personally want you all in my RPing group, it will be great to get all of these fresh ideas, but please work with us, not against us.

WWJD
Amen.

Sorry everyone, I've been gone since friday, had a football (soccer) tourney in another town, so I haven't been able to get online till like 30 minutes ago.

My head hurt from reading the last few pages (and from being in the sun all weekend) so I'll just try to address the majoy points.

Nuclear Weapons: While I didn't want to unveal my reasoning for selling nuclear weapons I'm kinda force to show my hand now *glares* Thanks a lot. I wanted some things to remain secret...

Well, my reasoning is that Spiz/Morocco has started to cut HL ties with persuassion from me/USSNA/Space Union, also, I'm still in control of the nukes (as the convoy hasn't arrived yet, I'm RPing it's passage to Morocco), I was planning to have the Israeli government change their mind slightly on the nukes and order them to remain onboard the cargo ships, then have the ships go so seperate harbors.

This will be a great bargaining chip in forcing the Moroccan Government to a peaceful end to the violence. (Having 100kt nukes in three major cities is quite a persuasive tool)

Basically if Morocco pulls back and ends the violence they may get the nukes, if they refuse and/or issue threatens Israel the nukes will simply be taken back (and possibly sold to Morrocan Enemies ;) ) and all other arms shipments will be cancelled/suspended, and possibly military intervention would be required.

Secret Alliances: Basically my alliances with SU/USSNA/Franberry and my involvement with Spiz are all governed by geographic position and/or economic capability.

USSNA: Controls a key trade route around Africa and posseses fairly good military and economic capability.

Franberry: Controls part of the atlantic and has the capability to manufactures a fairly large amount of weapons and has good technology (something I intend to use soon).

Space Union: Posesses the great L55 120mm gun and EuroPack powerpack/tank engine along with very, very good fighters (Eurofighter) and missiles (Meteor AAM, Aster SAMs) along with a great submarine and ships, and it provieds Israeli with a rich ally in Europe.

Spiz: Israeli needs a friendly ally in control of the Straits (a key trade route), Spain is out of the question, because Israeli's foreign policy doesn't allow them to deal with monarchies and over socialist countries, and it is a great growth opprotunity for the Israeli economy, and thus the government who needs all of the money it can get to upgrade it's weapons.

Arms Deals: As I said, my dealings with Morocco is dictated mostly be the need for a large amount of money coming in fast to allow the IDF to upgrade it's weapons, not by foreign policy or friendlyness towards Morocco. Also, news of genocide by Morocco has yet to reach the ears of the government, but I assure you, when it does it will have serious repercussions through the Israeli Government.

Israeli is a capitalistic state, it will sell to almost anyone(almost) who agrees to the right price, if SADR or another Moroccan Enemy wanted Israeli weapons the government would try to come to an agreement for the sales.

Bah, mondays suck. -_-

Rather than giving Austria Denmark, why not let him have A Port city in, Italy (Trieste, perhaps?), much like RL Russia has Kaliningrad/Konigsberg?

This gives Austria sea access, and if people are uncomfortable with the Italians selling the Austrians frigates, we could always say they were very old (WWII vintage) Roycelandian Frigates or something...

I would actually love to get more land by accepting Denmark but it would be little if any use. Trying to operate two countries with a great variance of ideals with Denmark being Neo-Conservative and maybe a touch defensive about it's farmers combining with tariff free capitalist Austria who is only a touch rightist if not dead center would be hard to explain.

Having Trieste though, only a couple minutes, if that, from the Austrian border sounds pretty good. Even though there is the fact I can't have a colonies without Yugoslavian "intervention" and it's near the Yugoslavia border so it kinda is hog-tied but at least it will be more explainable why I have two Italian frigates off some distant island.

So the basic line is we are discussing viable ways for Austria to be un-landlocked. We are considering Trieste as Denmark is a touch to far away, and there is no way Denmark would appreciate it's farmers products being un-consumed in it's own country (at the very least the Austrian part if not both) because Urkranian and Hungarian farms are quite cheaper.

How about in World War Two Hitler demands that more port access is granted to the lower parts of Germany, not wanting to have to work with the Italian government Hitler asks for Trieste to be granted to the Fourth Reich. Mussulini, not wanting Rommel and his Afrika Corps to leave aquests.

Two or three years later (Hitler would probably be making the demands at his height of power in 1942-43) the now highly Germanic populance of Trieste asks to be administered as a trust territory between the US (Quintonnia) and with Austria (Me).

The Cold War is in full swing with all kinds of fun walls being built, little Asian wars, and the threat of Austria falling over the "wall" to the Warsaw Pact prompts Quintonnia to make a deal along the lines of giving Trieste to Austrian in exchange for keeping capitalist.

Sound okay?

TSS : Sounds great, the convoy RP would be interesting. Just a heads up though, there might be some "covert intervention" if you know what I mean :)

China: Thanks, and yes, I was expecting at least one nation to intervene or at least shadow my convoy (hence why I rped it out and had a military escort).

So am I all cleared now to RP and everything? Or is there still any other issues?

One thing:
As for germany's access to certain missiles system (ie the MBDA catalogue) there are issues about at which point France went back to a monarchy and how things got split, particularly if EADS actually got anything out of it.
Of course with France out of the equation, the involvement of EADS with the remainign british section of MBDA would likely gain a bit more importance, despite several UK govenremnts trying to make thier arms indsutry a bit more self sustaining.

Ah the joys of trying to work outt he messes of european joint ventures...

Why is everyone believing an unsupported report of genocide in Western Sahara? There is no genocide as attacking a couple of refugee columns hardly qualifies as the systematic destruction required to qualify as genocide, you should first be sending in inspectors, although id like to either retconn all this and start again or pick another nation because you are never going to ever help Morocco again.

Spiz: My nation if working off the details fed in from other nations (as we have very little satellites and no agents to report on this), and even though it's not genocide per say, the killing of innocent civilians is something that the Israeli Government won't overlook.

About the new nation thingy, I'm not sure, and dun really care. But know this, since you pulled back I am still open to helping morocco with equipment and stuff, but the nukes stay in my hands.

OOC: Im might just take all the Scandinavian and baltic countries that are free and form some kind of neuvo-Hanseatic League. That means i have the resources to actually design and build my own tanks and not be reliant on foreigners.

And TSS, the nukes wouldnt matter now anyway, because the fact is im going to get dogpiled by so many people that they wouldnt make any difference

K.

Most likely I just posted in the wrong place, oh well.

I tried this once before, it was... interesting...

People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts/PROHT [New Guinia (the whole main island and the Solomon Island chain)]

Link to more detail (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492463)

Whattie? So Spizania is trying to get more countries after his Morroco attempt ended in flames? Is that the wisest course for AMW to follow?

Sometimes Spiz, you just have to say -ah shit- and move on. Keep Morocco, and just run with what you have. Sadly, a few comments and suggestions leap up at me-

1.) All of Scandinavia! No way, I don't think after Morroco it's time to move on as a Denmark, Norway, Sweden (Their territories), hybrid with maybe even Iceland and Finland mixed in.

2.) Sadly you have re-affirmed the idea that if n(oob)ew players arn't regulated they will be able to play as one country, switch it into a totally different path than what dedicated (if not active) AMW Members have done to it, run it into the ground, and then happily go on to another series of countries.

3.) Why Scandinavia?

4.) Was it because I kept mentionig it before?

5.) It won't work, they all like their independence and havn't really liked being unified all that much since they tried it back in the old day.

6.) I have half a mind just to get Denmark so I don't have to see it try to invade Germany or somesuch nonsense.


That's all-

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Nuclear Weapons: While I didn't want to unveal my reasoning for selling nuclear weapons I'm kinda force to show my hand now *glares* Thanks a lot. I wanted some things to remain secret...

Well, my reasoning is that Spiz/Morocco has started to cut HL ties with persuassion from me/USSNA/Space Union, also, I'm still in control of the nukes (as the convoy hasn't arrived yet, I'm RPing it's passage to Morocco), I was planning to have the Israeli government change their mind slightly on the nukes and order them to remain onboard the cargo ships, then have the ships go so seperate harbors.

This will be a great bargaining chip in forcing the Moroccan Government to a peaceful end to the violence. (Having 100kt nukes in three major cities is quite a persuasive tool)

Basically if Morocco pulls back and ends the violence they may get the nukes, if they refuse and/or issue threatens Israel the nukes will simply be taken back (and possibly sold to Morrocan Enemies ;) ) and all other arms shipments will be cancelled/suspended, and possibly military intervention would be required.


Israeli is a capitalistic state, it will sell to almost anyone(almost) who agrees to the right price, if SADR or another Moroccan Enemy wanted Israeli weapons the government would try to come to an agreement for the sales.

Bah, mondays suck. -_-[/QUOTE]
Ok, I should’ve maybe been more clear. If you have a boat that contains nukes and is leaving Israel, my intelligence and satellites, and thousands upon thousands of missionaries in the area will report it.
Then I will put in a friendly call to the Prime Minister, and explain that Israel needs to keep those weapons at home or face USQ sanctions.
If the nuke does not end up back in a silo on the Holy Land by the end of the day, we will blow the ship out of the water and pull all economic and military help to the nation, while placing Morocco under a full blockade until Israel proves that it can handle the responsibility of belonging to the nuclear club and that Morocco proves that it isn’t looking for anymore.

A nuke is that serious. I am not even comfortable with Israel publicly admitting that it has nukes. I am not doing this to be mean to the new players, but I am just saying, NO ONE would do that and not expect a massive world response.


OK, rant over. BTW, I am for sticking it out in Morocco.

WWJD
Amen.

I can see your point on going crazy over it, but who would you know a ship contains a nuke? There is nothing on the ship that would scream out "OMG! I AM NUKE!"

Satellites aren't that good, and I'm not sure how your intelligence would find out either, only the highest ranking members of my government know of it, same goes for the missionaries.

But, I stated this before, for now the nukes will be brought back into Israel, though, Israel has no silos, only mobile launchers, or submarine missiles like the popeye turbo.

So you have a couple un-identified boring old freighters just chugging along the Medit? That's nice and all but it's not like the US can't see you loading them on and wouldn't they keep trackof all your boats regardless after mentioning you were sending nukes to Morroco? They would totally make sure any boats within 100 miles of Morroco were checked down and if they [USQ] wanted to blown out of the water.


Minor Note- I really don't know but someone wants New Guinea (Look above). I guess it look all right but I don't want to use my brain that much right now.

I want scandinavia because its sort of out of the way and noones going to dogpile me because of false accusations of genocide that you have no way of proving, yet you magically know exactly what has happened and immediately react on it. Im afriad politics doesnt work like this, you would try to ascertain everything you could about it before acting. Just going "LOLZ I MAGICALLY KNOW EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO WITHIN HALF AN HOUR OF YOU DOING IT LOLZ" isnt enough, your sats are extreemly unlikely to be looking at the columns that i attacked, you more likely going to be commiting resources to taking pretty pictures of all my tanks lined up in the desert behind the berm.

And those weapons wont be arriving from Israel, he cancelled the sale and to my knowledge has not reinstated it. And those weapons will not do me any good anyway because by the time ive trained people how to use them, there will be Indian tanks rolling through Casablanca and Rabat. The situation is quite simply hopeless. Morocco has been unintentionally run into the ground. Nevertheless i was always intending to stay with Morocco atleast until the eyes of the world turn away with me again, and i have a score to settle with the UAR, thats what you get when you declare war on me.

What in blue blazes are you on about? That's one of the poorest rants I've ever seen. Context.

You're not being dogpiled. You cut away from your nation's established superpower backer, sided with another power-block that has provoked the ire of every independent government on earth, and invaded somebody with long-standing allies.

The response was that those allies, instead of just... (what? I have no idea what you expected them to do, so I can't follow that) chose to declare war on you.

"OMFG! I only attacked Poland, WTF is it with France and Britain declaring war on me? They can't even prove that I'm commiting genocide, anyway!"

The Saharawi/Morocco conflict is old, and there are workers, observers, soldiers from multiple nations living with the Saharawi. It's enough that people know what Morocco has already done, and that it launched a fresh campaign on the Saharawi.

And why are you singling out the UAR? Their forces are a minor part of a combined fleet lead by the Indian Soviet Commonwealth. Saharawi aside, nobody's likely to do a thing to Morocco -unless United Elias decides to over-throw the unpredictable government for its own reasons- until the Soviets are done with the HL in West Africa. Hell, some nations, like the British, are still pretending that you're not doing anything wrong until they hear from Baghdad, when they could just as easily be sending battleships to shell your coastal cities or submarines to launch cruise missile strikes.

As to a new claim, you're confusing me as to whether or not you want to stick with Morocco.

If you think that it's a lost cause and can't be bothered either to play your demise or to even try to avoid it, then we've no reason to assume you'll regard Scandinavia's situation differently when the Tsar decides that he'd like to conclude the Continuation War, to sieze Norwegian oil, or to make a strategic move against British interests.

I want to stick around with Morocco because i dont like to just drop out of RPs, it leaves people high and dry and ive had it happen to me far to many times to do it to anyone else deliberately


And why are you singling out the UAR? Their forces are a minor part of a combined fleet lead by the Indian Soviet Commonwealth. Saharawi aside, nobody's likely to do a thing to Morocco -unless United Elias decides to over-throw the unpredictable government for its own reasons- until the Soviets are done with the HL in West Africa. Hell, some nations, like the British, are still pretending that you're not doing anything wrong until they hear from Baghdad, when they could just as easily be sending battleships to shell your coastal cities or submarines to launch cruise missile strikes.

Because the UAR is the only one to actually publically declare war on me so far. Im worried about the Indians who are likely to make a move to crush me while im still isolated from the international community, im an easy and probably quite tempting target at this point, and the war insnt going particularily well for the Holy League at this point, ie. People outside Africa are resisting them.


If you think that it's a lost cause and can't be bothered either to play your demise or to even try to avoid it, then we've no reason to assume you'll regard Scandinavia's situation differently when the Tsar decides that he'd like to conclude the Continuation War, to sieze Norwegian oil, or to make a strategic move against British interests.
Because Scandinavia actually has the resources to make a decent fight of it, but with Morocco im outgunned, outtrained, outfunded and outnumbered in every category, the only thing that would go my way in an invasion is the logistical concerns of fighting in a desert.

Dra-pol What in blue blazes are you on about? That's one of the poorest rants I've ever seen. Context.

So now it's not "I like Morroco, but it's going down" to "I hate Morroco because it can't go down shooting nukes and killing people"? Maybe the attitude of not liking Morroco because it can't kill people fast enough is the wrong attitude?

Regardless, can someone switch gears and get back to me on Trieste? I als need to get Germany's Diplomacy Thread so USSNA, could you post it up here, I think Austrian-German relations are at least somewhat important.

Spizania, you just had the crap luck of turning towards the HL exactly when the HL decided to take a vacation. So the Anti-HL coalition had no one else to pick on but you. Once NG gets back things should easen up, my friend.

And Moorington, the more I think about it, the more I think that Trieste is a bad idea. I don't really see how the Italians would continue allowing Austria to have a city within their country without annexing it, especially considering Italy's imperialist urges. It'd really just be easier to have Denmark, to be honest. And this is AMW, so you don't have to take RL Denmark's hesitancy towards capitalism into account.

Now your making me feel bad for changing the subject back to me ;) .

Well Italy is just going to have to fight those imperialistic urges and hunker down, no reason to go off alienating everybody Italy.

Besides, lets just get a nice sized German base, to get USSNA more involved and to keep the Italian land grubbers off Habsburg land :D .

I know, but I just so dislike the idea of a divided country, none will work as well as being independent while it would be slightly overkill as transporting through Germany to German docks closer would achieve the same thing.

I am hopelessly mired between wanting to just get a little bit of land and a lot with both strength and weaknesses.

Well, to avoid having the Baltic Sea a German lake if any irrational p(layers)owers take control I would happily accept Denamrk.

Now I just wish I ran with the Prussia state :( -

Moorington, I'm Germany not USSNA. ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492454

There's the link to my factbook/main thread. :)

Speaking of the devil! Good to see, now let's just pray this German Rhiech lasts longer than the others.

Speaking of the devil! Good to see, now let's just pray this German Reich lasts longer than the others.

Corrected spelling.

Also updated history of AMW: PROHT

Much more in depth, done by region
New Guenia
Bougainville
Solomon Islands

Well, the main difficulty there is New Guinea, as up until a few years ago in the AMW timeline, was part of the Federal Republic of Bonstock.

Well, the main difficulty there is New Guinea, as up until a few years ago in the AMW timeline, was part of the Federal Republic of Bonstock.

K, May I read what role that area had on the development of that country?

(Chances are [strangely] that I can accomodate their timeline of events)

Some details are buried here, (http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=240) in AMW's off-site reference forum... a pretty good reference for SE Asia generally, given the alien nature of that region as opposed to RL.

Corrected spelling.

Also updated history of AMW: PROHT

Much more in depth, done by region
New Guenia
Bougainville
Solomon Islands

Who cares, the German has seemed to have jumped off a cliff regardless of Richs, Rhiechs, Rheichs, and Rhechs.

At least he hasn't replied to me or Japan (Dai Nippon or somesuch), actually quite depressing, you would think he would have died to have someone reply to his diplomacy thread.

Who cares, the German has seemed to have jumped off a cliff regardless of Richs, Rhiechs, Rheichs, and Rhechs.

At least he hasn't replied to me or Japan (Dai Nippon or somesuch), actually quite depressing, you would think he would have died to have someone reply to his diplomacy thread.

I'm actually trying to reply. But "some" stuff have come up and I generally don't RP on weekends. But I'm working on a reply right now. So sorry for the wait guys. My other RP posts will get up faster.

Papua: Occupied by the USQ shortly after the fall of the FRB. Quinntonian occupation forces departed the region quickly after initial stabilisation operations. My impression is that the USQ sought to avoid a potential quagmire and accusations of imperialism by affecting a quick withdrawal. Given the fractured nature of the population, I suspect that an initial democratic government is likely in place, with a large number of minority parties and no one able to organise a coalition. Meanwhile the countryside is divided between armed groups engaged in constant fighting: Muslim fundamentalists (IRI-backed), Javanese/socialists (Sujava-backed), communists (probably not Igovian-backed, but maybe an advisor or two ala Philippines), Bonstockian Restorationists (Singapore backed), and dozens of small ethnic militias.

Solomon Islands: History as in RL seems appropriate, up until 2003 when in RL the Aussies were asked to step in and stabilize the country after extensive ethnic conflict. While a case could be made for a number of other powers replacing the Australians for AMW purposes (the East Islandians, British Federation, Roycelandians), it might be better to leave the islands in a state of conflict so as to stimulate RP (especially with socialists able to get Sujavan backing, muslim fundamentalists likewise from Indonesia, and the Franco-Roiks no doubt interested in the area as well). Between the Philippines, Papua, and here, we might actually get enough simultaneous RP to see nations forced to choose amongst unlimited problems with limited resources.

Yeah, I can make that all work, Paupa's "Demacratic" government turns anti-USQ and socialist (Hence the supply of BMDs).

Joins Australasia in the Solomon fighting and gets a small portion of it in the process. And is still in turmoil and therefore quarantined.

Looks like PROHT is a Muslim/Christian Socialist state now. No big difference.

I'm going to also be in a mess concerning relations with nieghboring nations such as Bonstock. But on good terms with the IRI and Sujava.

Would it be possible to join in this RP?

I'm interested in RPing Somalia, as Scotland is taken.

Now your making me feel bad for changing the subject back to me ;) .

Well Italy is just going to have to fight those imperialistic urges and hunker down, no reason to go off alienating everybody Italy.

Besides, lets just get a nice sized German base, to get USSNA more involved and to keep the Italian land grubbers off Habsburg land :D .

I know, but I just so dislike the idea of a divided country, none will work as well as being independent while it would be slightly overkill as transporting through Germany to German docks closer would achieve the same thing.

I am hopelessly mired between wanting to just get a little bit of land and a lot with both strength and weaknesses.

Well, to avoid having the Baltic Sea a German lake if any irrational p(layers)owers take control I would happily accept Denamrk.

Now I just wish I ran with the Prussia state :( -


Well, I don't think that the Baltic Sea has any danger of becaoming a German lake seeing as how there is a very large Russian Fleet that is sitting there.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Would it be possible to join in this RP?

I'm interested in RPing Somalia, as Scotland is taken.


Is this thing alive?

Well, I don't think that the Baltic Sea has any danger of becaoming a German lake seeing as how there is a very large Russian Fleet that is sitting there.

Tsar Wingert the Great.


Well it's the thought that counts ;)

Guys I am writing from my friends computer. My cable is messed up hardcore. But I am working to fix it and I think I just might have it done. So I am so sorry for being absent. I just want to let you guys know that I am still active and that I havent dropped out. Just give me a weeks time or less and I will be up and running. Thanks you guys!

Cameroon: a great place to invest!!!

Trying to get my economy going so I can actually have a say in world politics!!

Cameroon: a great place to invest!!!

Trying to get my economy going so I can actually have a say in world politics!!

Amen! Austria sure is, so everyone should follow suit.

Is this thing alive?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us what sort of Nation you had in mind for Somalia?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us what sort of Nation you had in mind for Somalia?

Not to be anxious or anything but could some [Roycelandia for one] get back on Trieste or Denmark?

Hey Moorington, are you ready for a conference yet?

Sorry about me blowing my top earlier guys, ive been panicking about my GCSE results that arrive on the 24th of August, but im all mellowed out now :D

Aaaahhh, the good ol' days of GCSE.

Actually, they weren't good at all. They were actually terrible. Good luck!

bah silly english people with thier GCSE's and A levels, what you want is old school socttish standard grades, highers and CSYS, none of this higher still and advanced higher nonsense ;)

I'd be interested in taking the part of AMW Canada, but I'm a little confused as to whether it is taken or not. From what I understand the part of Canada was played earlier by a fellow named Hudecia, who has either lost interest in AMW or is on some sort of hiatus. If this is the case, I would like to inquire as to whether there are any special circumstances I would have to roleplay Canada under, and if so, what are they? How did the previous Canada player use Canada? What was the government like? Things like that would be helpful in making an outline or a bid to get into AMW.

Is Switzerland still an NPC? Id like to consider buying the Swiss Assault Rifle as its meant to the most accurate in the world. Ofcourse, thats if i last long enough to buy it :D

Hudecia has indeed left AMW. We're always a bit cautious about taking brand new players (I say that as you have only about nine posts), but that doesn't mean you'd be turned down right away.

I think that it's fair to say that anyone playing a nation over Canada would have to take Hudecia's legacy into account, but how much is down to the will of the community. Hudecia was a lot more interventionalist than Canada in reality, and looked to the east rather than the west (or, from Canada's perspective, to the west, rather than the east... uh... they got involved in Asia rather than with Europe).

Switzerland... well, someone did come to play Switzerland and Liechtenstein, but then went very quiet and we all thought he'd lost interest. However, when Yugoslavia invaded Austria, lo and behold, he reappeared to offer support to the Austrians. Unfortunately, I've had a spot of wine, and can't remeber the guy's account name.

(What rifle's that? Presumably a SIG something or other? I'd always thought that an overhauled L85 could probably out-shoot any other serving assault rifle, since even a dolt like me can hit a target with it quite reliably. Certainly in AMW, where TBF moved production back to Enfield and started milling the receivers again.)

Personally, I'd say it's better for Moorington to have Trieste rather than all of Denmark. Let's face it, Monaco is a separate country, but let's face it, the entire Departement Gendarmerie du Nice could stage a military take over of Monaco any time they felt like it- never mind getting the French military involved.

In short, I don't see a problem with Moorington having Trieste under some ancient treaty, being one of those things it's really not worth Italy's time getting too worked up over...

Not sure If we can stilll claim or where the Off-site forum is, but I would like to claim Greece and Albania.

Here a few of my RP expiriences:

Cent Jours Napoleonic Earth (http://www.z14.invisionfree.com/Cent_Jours/index.php)

Earth Imperialism EI 1750+ (http://www.simdomain.net/ei/index/php)

Old Earth Imperialism Old EI 1865-1867 (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Earth_Imperialism/index.php?)

Plus about 6 or so RPs that died relatviely quickly.

Switzerland... well, someone did come to play Switzerland and Liechtenstein, but then went very quiet and we all thought he'd lost interest. However, when Yugoslavia invaded Austria, lo and behold, he reappeared to offer support to the Austrians. Unfortunately, I've had a spot of wine, and can't remeber the guy's account name.

(What rifle's that? Presumably a SIG something or other? I'd always thought that an overhauled L85 could probably out-shoot any other serving assault rifle, since even a dolt like me can hit a target with it quite reliably. Certainly in AMW, where TBF moved production back to Enfield and started milling the receivers again.)

The SIG 550, its a super-acurate AK-47 made from polymer firing 5.56x45mm Ammunition (It can fire 5.56mm NATO but its optimised for a locally produced round so does worse firing the NATO round because the Rifling rate is different than with the NATO standard)
Do we have an Italian player at the moment? If we dont id like to NPC it until we find someone

Hey Moorington, are you ready for a conference yet?

Oh, what! Where! Why!? Oh yeah, sorry about that, I just kind caught up in a lethargic spell of only replying. So do you want to start it in a new thread or on your diplomacy thread?

I would gladly accept Trieste, some old vintage Treaty of Somesuch from the Napolianic era, and I hope the case it somewhat settled but I have a feeling once I actually use it in a RP the other 10 guys who have for no apparent reason avoided the subject will come down like a hammer.

Oh well,

I am going to stay by Abream (New Switzerland) being active since I really don't see why (s)he would be considered inactive. It's not like anything has actually happened, for some of the older and/or more active players we like to talk about the new members but if Abream doesn't want to do that there is really nothing to do.

With Canada, really I wouldn't care that much either way but always slightly seduced by the idea of a resurgent NATO I actually want someone there in Canada.

So AYE, even though it doesn't actually count as anything. [Since I actually havn't gotten even one of the endorsements needed to be a technical member of AMW]

I don't know why postwar Italy or the allies in general would let Austria have anything, much less a valuable seaport the likes of which Rome had been angling for since World War I. Perhaps it could be pulled-off if we said that the Holy League pressured Italy to give friendly Austria a port.

If you use Trieste to invade Nicaragua or something without telling anybody or announcing the thread, RPing both sides yourself, and suddenly winding-up with a couple frigates and a submarine on the other side of an extremely strategic and well-protected canal, well, you bet there will be trouble. But if Austria does indeed get a port, and uses it for purposes other than establishing temptingly weak dominion over faraway islands, islands that mainland Austria cannot hope to support in any meaningful capacity, there would exist much less cause for other countries to make war on you.

Well, Trieste used to be part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, so that kinda makes sense.

In reality, it was a Free Territory after WWII, until absorbed by Yugoslavia and Italy, but in AMW, Yugoslavia is a modern entity so wouldn't have been around to take part in that.

Perhaps the Free Territory voted to return to Austria, maybe when Italy joined the Holy League, with the population worried about being annexed by a dictatorship, and the government hoping to retain some local power in federation with Austria, or something? At the time, Slovenia would have been unapealing, seen as unable to protect against the Holy League, while Austria was slightly stronger and probably had better connections to Germany and the NATO powers.

Austria would still have to negotiate access over land through Yugoslavia or through Italy and the Gulf of Trieste, so that would still leave problems, but ones that can be tackled in RP diplomacy. Of course, one additional problem is that the JNA would have quickly over-run Trieste during the brief Austro-Yugoslav war, and presented it as another step for Slavic unity and the liberation of the large Slovenian (and smaller Croatian and Serbian) minority.

Still, we could play this as an on-going issue. Perhaps a low intensity conflit zone, even. After the cease-fire, Austrian forces in Trieste could perhaps have taken control at the city itself, so that Moorington has his port, but the JNA will be refusing to fully withdraw, claiming support from the Slavic population. Could be good for partisan, terrorist, diplomatic, and general stand-offish RP.

Perhaps this can explain why what used to be Zone B in the real Free Territory is part of Yugoslavia.

Well, I'll see what people think of that...


Lylybium, I'm interested in seeing Greece and Albania active. Erm, which... nations are you in those links? Heh. And what, basically, would you plan to do with the territory and population of Greece and Albania? Just a vague idea of what the nation would be like, or maybe a few condensed historical notes, if it's not too much trouble?

In both of the EIs I'm Denmark. In Cent Jours, I'm Hanover and since it is a British Colony I dont really get a lot of room to do anything overly creative with Hanover.

Well, I'm thinking that maybe some parts of Greece are muslim, due to long periods on Ottoman ocupation. I'm not entirely sure how the whole thing will end up working out, I usually just go with the flow and get most of my ideas as I RP along the way. Maybe try to build up a nice navy and take over Malta, Rhodes, maybe even Sicily.

I hope that this is acceptable, but I understand if its not really specific enough.

Well, lo and behold, I'm back! Alrighty- to the buisness at hand.
Is Switzerland still an NPC? Id like to consider buying the Swiss Assault Rifle as its meant to the most accurate in the world. Ofcourse, thats if i last long enough to buy it
You're playing Morocco... While the Swiss government would enjoy a buisness transaction of that magnitude, it would be unfortuneate if Morocco invaded (:mp5:)another Arab country and started a massive war (:mad:)with my Swiss weapons (:sniper:). It would look very incriminating to me. So, as of the present moment, the Swiss cannot sell you any weapons.

Why would Greece need to take over Rhodes? Are you planning to exclude it from your claim?

Certainly before trying something like an invasion of Malta or Sicily you'd have to learn a lot about the political environment. Doing either right now would almost certainly be the rapid downfall of any Greek-ish government, as I'm sure that British and Australasian battleships would defend Malta, and the Holy League would probably commit genocide on behalf of Sicily.

But that doesn't mean that you couldn't try to be a belligerent state, of course. You would border the Ottoman Empire and the Yugoslav Socialist Federal Republic, and would be in range of the Holy League, so there's certainly scope for ideological conflict one way or another. If your claim comes to anything, I'm sure I'll be accusing you of harbouring Kosovo Liberation Army fighters before long!

What would your nation be called? Is there any special history that brought Greece and Albania together, or would it be assumed that those RL nations never existed, and are replaced by your new state?



What's with all the smilies?

I have my Factbook up here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11471991#post11471991)

I just assumed that Rhodes was not a part of Greece-Albania right now and I dont really know way too much about this world yet, so of course I would pay attention for a while before I ever tried to do much of anything more than internal affairs.
I'm still working on why Greece and Albania are joined, I'll be trying to figure out a reason for that, maybe they split from the Ottomans together, dont know.

Hey guys! I'm back online now. Everything is fixed. Now, can someone tell me what has happened in the week I've been gone?

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Yes, I get that the islands have no potential value, I understand that. Amazing as it seems I actually comprehend words especially when they're repeated like a bad record player. I get the point though- and thank you for piping up, I was getting..... anxious as to where the other 15 odd players who usually dislike my meddling were.

Okay- back on subject, I like the idea of the low intensity zone in and around Trieste, I can actually do something. For me the idea of having the Free Territory voted into Austria is a lot better than The Holy League giving Austria as the figmental "carrot". For if they gave it to Me(Austria) wouldn't it then stand as back to Italy when I withdrawed form the League?

That sounds pretty good, have the Free Territory voted back into Austria for a slew of reasons from hoping to get a semi-autonomy (Didn't Iceland or Greenland vote to be part of Denmark hoping to not have to worry about their rulers close at hand?) and hoping that the relative economic strength of Austria would get them all a good house and chicken in the pot. I don't know if The Holy League was in by then but if it was just another reason to shy away from Italy.




I like all the smiles ;)

Well, lo and behold, I'm back! Alrighty- to the buisness at hand.

You're playing Morocco... While the Swiss government would enjoy a buisness transaction of that magnitude, it would be unfortuneate if Morocco invaded (:mp5:)another Arab country and started a massive war (:mad:)with my Swiss weapons (:sniper:). It would look very incriminating to me. So, as of the present moment, the Swiss cannot sell you any weapons.

I dont think im going to be trying that again soon, the only people i have to fight at the moment are the people who declared war on me, and they are on the other side of the continent, nevertheless il except your decision.

What countries are in the United African Republics anyway?

Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Not the most formidable collection, seemingly, but half of that total defeated the Roycelandian Empire, then destroyed Al Khals, and stood-up to United Elias in the past. Their troops are being carried to West Africa aboard a Soviet fleet sailing along-side one from the Indian National Union. Our target is clearly the French invasion of the ECOWAS, but since all the involved nations have officially recognised the Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic...

Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Not the most formidable collection, seemingly, but half of that total defeated the Roycelandian Empire, then destroyed Al Khals, and stood-up to United Elias in the past. Their troops are being carried to West Africa aboard a Soviet fleet sailing along-side one from the Indian National Union. Our target is clearly the French invasion of the ECOWAS, but since all the involved nations have officially recognised the Saharawi Arab Democratic Republic...

Ahh- [you] almost forgot about being a leader in killing Europeans too! Fighting imperialism and whatnot, well you know how "Freedom Fighters" are so Austria is never to hot with most African nations with such violent ideas, and I really didn't know that Spizanian was at war with those silly communists and African nationlists.

With the needs of the Austrian government for weapons has gone down considerably since the Slavic war The Gizatte Company actually does have the Austrian's government permission to sell Dpkz II's (A medium tank) anywhere and the Austrian could also sell off some of it's now obsolete Dpkz I's (A Light Tank) to anyone.....

The reasons for letting The Gizatte Company have such free reign was of course with the eye towards the Southern Confederacy and Switzerland but now it'll be a lot harder to be singlying anyone out, in this case Morroco, for a variety of reasons...

Are you trying to have your civilisation wiped from the history books, Moorington? :)

So this war thats waging in West Africa...anything going on near my border?

Are you trying to have your civilisation wiped from the history books, Moorington? :)

Don't encourage me ;) .

Well, maybe, now that you think of it, it wouldn't be all that swell to try to rescue Morroco from that grave it has been tirelessly working on for itself, but I feel that Spizania should at least be given a lifeline, even if it is a fish line......

Questions:

1) Am I approved

2) Where is the RP Forum(s)

If anyone cares, I've added a large section onto my factbook. Mainly, trade, which is quite important to geopolitics, and an inside look into the personalities that make up my administration.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=267&st=0#entry1177712

Lylybium, we use these forums to RP and the offsite forums for record keeping. As for RPing approval, I'd think you need Yugoslavia or Austria's approval largely because they'll situated nearby.

Gone until monday or late sunday sometime, spending the weekend with my gf, will reply to stuff when I get back.

Lylybium, we use these forums to RP and the offsite forums for record keeping. As for RPing approval, I'd think you need Yugoslavia or Austria's approval largely because they'll situated nearby.

Ok, Thanks, so would we just post our Rps in seperate threads scattered throughout?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us what sort of Nation you had in mind for Somalia?


I was considering having a Muslim Theocracy, since Islam is the dominant religion there, and the "national" Capital, Mogadishu, is at the moment held by Islamic Radicals.


Is that acceptable? If there are any thing else I need to clear up, ask away!

New applicants have seen such things as... some of the many AMW threads floating around the forums, right?

It's important that we do only get people who want to be in AMW, and have at least seen a little of what it's about and what it's like (one would expect them, in the course of finding out, to have noticed that our threads are indeed on the Jolt forums).

Anyway, broadly I've no problem with Greece and Albania uniting, no problem with Islamist Somalia (there seems to be a gradually rising tide, with part of Indonesia going theocratic, Depkazia reopening its mosques, and such), but I don't know, maybe someone else can better articulate it, but the new players are ready and willing to ineract with the world as it stands, I hope? I mean, the economic situation is crazy, with fuedalism, state-socialism, and anarchism eating up huge parts of the world economy and associated wars further changing the global situation.

Perhaps we should just say, 'give it a try' and let the newcomers try some sort of introduction RP? Certainly not bog them down by jumping in with offers to sell them arms and bribe them to join a power bloc or something right away (...leave that until we've agreed that their intros make sense or have potential or whatever?).

New applicants have seen such things as... some of the many AMW threads floating around the forums, right?

It's important that we do only get people who want to be in AMW, and have at least seen a little of what it's about and what it's like (one would expect them, in the course of finding out, to have noticed that our threads are indeed on the Jolt forums).

Anyway, broadly I've no problem with Greece and Albania uniting, no problem with Islamist Somalia (there seems to be a gradually rising tide, with part of Indonesia going theocratic, Depkazia reopening its mosques, and such), but I don't know, maybe someone else can better articulate it, but the new players are ready and willing to ineract with the world as it stands, I hope? I mean, the economic situation is crazy, with fuedalism, state-socialism, and anarchism eating up huge parts of the world economy and associated wars further changing the global situation.

Perhaps we should just say, 'give it a try' and let the newcomers try some sort of introduction RP? Certainly not bog them down by jumping in with offers to sell them arms and bribe them to join a power bloc or something right away (...leave that until we've agreed that their intros make sense or have potential or whatever?).


I would agree with that, and I expected that (An intro thread that is). I study Islam, and have a background knowlege of it and Somalia, so I know I can RP it well, but I would also RP the fact that I'm not going to be a power or make complex arms deals. My nation just wouldn't have the economy, since it hasn't had a true government since the 80s.

Just an aside, to newly interested players, there is nothing in AMW's nature dictating that you must use a real nation as your base.

Of course we use a real world map and population totals, but, for example, Wanderjar could potentially make Somalia a place to which bronze-age and hunter-gathering black Africans fled when Roycelandia arrived in Africa in the early C16th and turned Kenya, Uganda, and Sudan bright white, and then augment it with Islamist Arabs disgruntled at the dictator Elias' secular domination of the Middle East, and call it the Kingdom of Pinkelephantia (well, you get the idea), and decide only to use half of the country, leaving the rest as NPC Somalia.

That's just an example, not a suggestion :) It seems as if Wanderjar has good reason for being interested in Somalia based partly on reality, which is fine by me.

Just an aside, to newly interested players, there is nothing in AMW's nature dictating that you must use a real nation as your base.

Of course we use a real world map and population totals, but, for example, Wanderjar could potentially make Somalia a place to which bronze-age and hunter-gathering black Africans fled when Roycelandia arrived in Africa in the early C16th and turned Kenya, Uganda, and Sudan bright white, and then augment it with Islamist Arabs disgruntled at the dictator Elias' secular domination of the Middle East, and call it the Kingdom of Pinkelephantia (well, you get the idea), and decide only to use half of the country, leaving the rest as NPC Somalia.

That's just an example, not a suggestion :) It seems as if Wanderjar has good reason for being interested in Somalia based partly on reality, which is fine by me.


lol, The Kingdom of Pinkelephantia

Am I accepted? And if so, what should I do?

I can't speak for everyone, but I think that you should go ahead and try an introductory RP, perhaps starting with some sort of background, or a scene from life in your proposed nation? From there, maybe other nations can make known their interest, lack of interest, support, opposition, and such, to your society/government, or what have you.

I would like to ask if the newbies want to, well, to ask anything. About AMW, I mean, or about specific nations.


I would volunteer, for Wanderjar's attention, that Africa has been subject to five centuries of imperialism in AMW. Roycelandia is a leader in this, and takes the position that it's imperialism is benevolent, and all colonies are treated well, even as equals to the homeland once they're integrated.

In contrast, the United African Republics (of Lusaka), following the wisdom of their semi-retired leader Derek Igomo, AKA Papa Africa, AKA Mr.Derek, follow a staunch pan-Africanist line after fighting for independence from Roycelandia and Britain (/Walmington), and advertise Roycelandian imperialism as total cultural obliteration writing Roycelandia over Africa before acceptance and equality are granted. Roycelandian East Africa -Kenya, Sudan, Uganda- is primarily white, Roycelandian, the native populations long gone.

Only recently has Catholic France returned, attacking West Africa with extreme brutality, attempting to regain her colonies, and in co-operation with Roycelandia. Russia is also involved, having annexed most of Nigeria. United Elias -a secular dictatorship in the Middle East- has gone to war in order to place capitalist authorities in power in Gabon, and was helped by Roycelandia.

So far, Lusaka and the African Commonwealth have led resistance to secular and Christian, feudal and capitalist imperialism in Africa.

On the other hand, Al Khals, normally a secular republic in southeastern Tanzania, comprised of Zanzibar Arabs, decided to invoke Islamist sentiment and attack the Lusakans... and Lusaka destroyed the state entirely. So, though Lusaka has fought secularist and Catholic imperialism, it has also taken-up arms against a self-proclaimed Islamic leader, on one occassion.

An Islamic Somalia has choices, then, and none of them perfect!


(Excuse me, I'm drunk)

I support Yugo Slavia's proposal fully and can't wait to have some delightful reading material on hand in AMW.

Heres the link to my history (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11500489#post11500489). I'll have something more soon.

Ok, I'll post an intro thread then. If it turns out I'm not accepted, i'll ask a moderator to delete the thread.


Working on it now.

Here it is! I hope you all like it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494978

OOC: Can I RP a sepratist movement in the caucaus region of russia

Even if he's in Africa and I'm... Australia and bits of South America, I'm-a vote for Wanderjar. Pretty much on the strength of that intro thread.

Even if he's in Africa and I'm... Australia and bits of South America, I'm-a vote for Wanderjar. Pretty much on the strength of that intro thread.

Thanks! I appreciate that.

Well, I'm still interested in Canada, but before I get my hopes up I've decided to post some work of mine in European War, the only rp to date I've really participated in. I play Austria-Hungary in the Napoleonic era.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11467696&postcount=57
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11471189&postcount=60
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11481229&postcount=82

The third one is probably the best I've put forth so far. The latest one I've posted, which I haven't linked here, is a little sloppy, but I'm confident I can meet the standard here in AMW if given the oppurtunity. Let me know if you think my abilities are suitable for your group.

Well, I'm still interested in Canada
I, of course, know of none other application posts but will happily enjoy seeing a active Canada.

I play(ed?) Austria-Hungary in the Napoleonic era.
Even though Austria-Hungry has no real correlation with AMW's (my) Austria that still gets you uber points.

Somthing, somethin, and more of the former and latter.

Looks all good! I am not a approved player yet but I like the idea, and may yet like the application.

Well, Ten Thousand Maggots seems like quite a capable RPer. What's your vision for Canada?

Purely out of curiosity, has anyone claimed Singapore?

1) Singapore comes with a LOT of history. Look up "bonstock" on NSWiki for an example. If you play Singapore you would have a lot of limitations.
2) TTM seems like a good RP'er. What's your vision for Canada?
3) I like Wanderjar's idea (and it's not just because I need more Islamic countries to back up the Sultan!)

So, was I approved?

And would that mean I'll have to make a puppet like AMW China did?

Then that lil thing on timeline:
Do we have to keep the Pre 2006 history, or can we tweak it a little provided it meshes sufficiently with the already established nations?

A flat Y/N is sufficient.

Since Canada is not officially claimed yet (right?), can i have some of its arctic islands? Specially those located in Nunavut. If not, could i claim Greenland, then? I'd also gladly accept Norway, if nobody claims it. Oh, Sweden or Iceland wouldn't be bad either. =]

I have no real problems playing under limitations. Though the Bonstock entry in NSWiki was rather cryptic... exactly what SORT of limitations is Singapore under?

Hurtful Thoughts- I would actually give the other players who don't have the link by posting it up. And you technically could post up your factbook but how about starting a small scale RP? Maybe just quell some rebels or somesuch so we know how well you RP.

Wolfensland- Maybe... not. Lets keep Canada in one piece, I know, I'm picky in thinking that there is almost no reason for splitting up some artic wastelands which Canada (Or the semi-independent one) has had dominion on for the last 100 years to suddenly be incorporated into a Scandinavian Empire.

Maybe a better idea would just to try and get Denmark and have a nice intro RP about the incorporation of Norway. To make this hypothetical RP which you may or may not make lets make it somewhat de-militerized? You can, of course, do some assasinations to make it work but I honestly wouldn't try and push my luck any where past that or incroporate any more countries(Iceland).

Hurtful Thoughts, just do what I did for Somalia. Post up a nice, decent sized post about the political situation of your chosen nation.

Sounds good to me Moorington. I mean, the idea of taking Denmark and then peacefully annex (sp?) Norway, pretty much like the Germans did with Austria back in the day. Is that ok with everyone?

Hurtful Thoughts- I would actually give the other players who don't have the link by posting it up. And you technically could post up your factbook but how about starting a small scale RP? Maybe just quell some rebels or somesuch so we know how well you RP.


The link has sat in my sig this whole time. Yes, I may be able to work out a sizeable rebellion or the last days before the new system of government took power.

Hurtful Thoughts, just do what I did for Somalia. Post up a nice, decent sized post about the political situation of your chosen nation.

See above
The link has sat in my sig this whole time
looks something like this:
PROHT Embassy/factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443280)AMW Version PROHT Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492463)
PROHT Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476754)
PROHT FAPs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10355287#post10355287)



Yes, I just quoted part of my own post within itself.

Being able to finally RP a conflict on my nation's mainland will prove to be very entertaining. So long as I don't get confused that that it is an AMW tech RP (meaning no self designed weapons/programs).

So guys, is that ok if i claim Norway, Sweden and Denmark, as the Union of Scandinavian States (not sure about the name yet)? Just in case, i've begun writing my factbook and history, but i won't post 'till i get an ok to go.

So guys, is that ok if i claim Norway, Sweden and Denmark, as the Union of Scandinavian States (not sure about the name yet)? Just in case, i've begun writing my factbook and history, but i won't post 'till i get an ok to go.

Drop Sweden, then you get my vote. Which, by the way, means about as much, as well nothing. Since I am not an actual "member" of AMW, I only conduct wars, spread imperialism, annex territories, start alliances, expand my country, and generally an all around meedler I have never gotten the needed two votes (or really one for that matter). And guess what, with the new idea of 4+ I am actually going backwards.

Well now that I have gotten that off my chest-

Sweden is a still somewhat socialist, conservative haven, once termed the country where "Socialism worked" it probabaly also has some lingering doubts about getting invlovled with Denamrk and Norway again.

Denamark, if not Norway to, is a far, far, far, far-left country where Weed is legal and immigration laws are non-existent.

Drop Sweden, then you get my vote. Which, by the way, means about as much, as well nothing. Since I am not an actual "member" of AMW, I only conduct wars, spread imperialism, annex territories, start alliances, expand my country, and generally an all around meedler I have never gotten the needed two votes (or really one for that matter). And guess what, with the new idea of 4+ I am actually going backwards.



Moorington, why do you keep saying that? Of course you're an official member of AMW; you were given two votes, and you've been accepted by us for a long time now.

Oh, well, i had to ask. =]
Fine, Denmark and Norway then.
Factbook is pretty much done, all i need is to finish up the story and get a green light from you guys.
BTW, what do you guys think of "The United Kingdom of West Scandinavia"? Heck, i can't come up with a nice name. =P Sugestions?

Moorington, why do you keep saying that? Of course you're an official member of AMW; you were given two votes, and you've been accepted by us for a long time now.

Really? Oh well, then I'll keep quiet. I must of missed that little part of me-AMW's conversation.

Well then, I must then use my new-found power, I give support of Wolf, maybe we can actually get an active Europe.

Yet Germany has disappeared, Abream is pretending to be a jack-in-the-box, and Spain and France decided to take a holiday on the dawn of war.

I'm still meddling, so Europe is not lost yet.

Any claim against Canada will have to take in a lot of backstory with me, as I play the US, we have a long history of alliances and so on and so forth, when Canada was under Hudecia.

WWJD
Amen.

Any claim against Canada will have to take in a lot of backstory with me, as I play the US, we have a long history of alliances and so on and so forth, when Canada was under Hudecia.

WWJD
Amen.
Quinn, do you mind me requesting a meeting with your ambassador, I want to discuss some stuff ICly, if ya don't post here and I'll get it up in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11531037)

Sorry, this is just too hard to keep up with, I'm going to have to drop out. If it were off-site it would be better. Heres a good site though: A Modified World (http://z7.invisionfree.com/AModifiedWorld/index.php?)

Am i accepted?

Would it be possible for me to turn control of Morocco back over to United Elias and take over as Italy, although i may have produced some reasonable quality posts for Morocco, i believe i can get up to the true standard that i am capable of if i can take control of a nation that has armed forces available that are suitable for the execution of the tactics that i am good at using and writing about, such as the use of submarines in naval combat, which i cannot do in my current nation, being as i cant afford any subs

Well [Wolf], I would like to see an RP of some sort or the other. Maybe a factbook and see how your carry out your first steps in diplomacy.

As for Spiz, I really, really, really [reallY] don't want some over-militerized Italy just throwing the wrench in my actvities. So maybe, but I am not giving you a green light, but I really don't want you to do to Italy what you did to Morroco.

Abream is pretending to be a jack-in-the-box,

Am not!

Type fast, Wolf!

Well [Wolf], I would like to see an RP of some sort or the other. Maybe a factbook and see how your carry out your first steps in diplomacy.

As for Spiz, I really, really, really [reallY] don't want some over-militerized Italy just throwing the wrench in my actvities. So maybe, but I am not giving you a green light, but I really don't want you to do to Italy what you did to Morroco.

With Morocco i grew too fast and built a military that i couldnt actually deploy anyway, but with i wont be doing that because im going to be building it up to allow it to furfil certian very specific mission profiles, and much of the job will involve primarily modernisation rather than massive scale expansion (Getting rid of the Leopard Is and other older units) as well as some expansion of the Italian Navy (which can be explained due to the massive naval build ups of other powers in AMW)

Well, I'm not sure about hopping countries... seems a bad precedent to set if nothing else... but one ought bear in mind that Italy has a bit of AMW backstory to it, including Holy League membership and slavery.

Spiz, what I am about to say to you is absolutely not a personel attack.

I don't think you have adapted well to AMW's ideals. RPing here is less about wars and invasions and naval buildups, and more about diplomacy, geopolitical manuvering, and ideology.

Yes, we are on the verge of a world war, but there's a hell of a lot more to geopolitics than just the military operations and invasions. Take a look through some of our other threads - there are secret plots, diplomatic conferences, trade talks, and other non-fighting threads.

If you can understand this, and try to improve with Italy, you will get my vote.

Ive started to understand that, the problem is Morocco got so messed up in the first week or so, its beyond repair and for the reasons stated above, when war finally does come, i wont be able to do anything otherwise

Sorry, this is just too hard to keep up with, I'm going to have to drop out. If it were off-site it would be better. Heres a good site though: A Modified World (http://z7.invisionfree.com/AModifiedWorld/index.php?)

BUMP

Ok, my intro post is almost ready. Am i ok to post it?

Ok, my intro post is almost ready. Am i ok to post it?
Ja, yes, green light....

Intro RP Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496075)
Factbook Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496076)

Spiz:

I think you and I are in the same boat; we came during a time when AMW is on the verge of war, took strategically located nations and the like. Now, I know that I kind of regret hopping right into it now, since I'm playing a lot of catchup-ball (for example, India. Where I supported a nutty, genocidal maniac because I didn't know he was a nutty, genocidal maniac, and I'm spending political credit like... the USA is spending money on Iraq trying to keep LRR from killing me). But the thing is, that's what makes it fun for me.

I wouldn't support moving countries, because... frankly, there's no reason to. Morocco can still become a part of the world scene. If you don't want to fight the Polisario, then you can retreat behind your berm and do a buildup while you secure African alliances (after the world dogpiles NG, of course). You could be a leader in Africa, maybe start a pro-capitalism union to fight Soviet/native revolutionar interference/the African Union. Or, you know, you could throw it in with the HL and try to hold the line.

Actually, that would have been fun. Too bad I picked Australia rather than, I dunno, somewhere HL friendly. I like being the evil guy sometimes.

My point is, you aren't screwed. You messed up, just like me, and a bunch of others here. Just like RL nations. So, no reason to quit now!

/motivational speaking.

On the other hand, Italy is a major part of the HL that has been awkwardly NPC for quite some time. It would really be nice to get that gap filled, and it'd make the whole Holy League conflict more interesting than having it be a "everyone versus NG" thing.

uh guys, how are we working the purchase of equipment from MBDA, because its screwed up with the participants fighting each other

EDIT:- which countries in west africa are still NPCs and not under attack by France? And can i find some RPers for them to come to a conference?

OOC: To be honest, how are all these deals working out? I've always been just saying that if Germany was in any project, that it could produce it since from what I've seen there is no clear rule on this anywhere. I hope that alright by everyone....

Also I noticed that Austria bought the production license to the Europac. I'm going to RP that I still have the right to produce that engine on my own since that was originally a German engine. That's fine by everyone?

Also I noticed that Austria bought the production license to the Europac. I'm going to RP that I still have the right to produce that engine on my own since that was originally a German engine. That's fine by everyone?

Ooops, I may need to mention that I bought the license to make them, not to actually own them. Maybe I need a refreshers course in economic terms.....

So yeah, yeah, you can mke Europac engines like no tomorrow.

Well, you're exporting them too. To me, specifically.

Yes, it would be nice to have Italy as a 'real' country, but I'm personally uncomfortable with the idea of switching countries midstream. I think that we could have issues with people making a bad foreign policy decision and then dropping their country-- imagine how awkward it would have been for Mac to have done that right after the entire world flipped a sh!t about Gibraltar.

Now, I'm not saying that that's exactly what Spiz is doing-- and I see your point about Italy. If I wasn't Australasia, I'd happily step in. But then, naval battles against oneself are no fun. This brings up another point. If not Spiz, then who? I dunno if it would really be fair to drop Italy on someone new right now, an established player would be best, given the complexity of the situation. Perhaps like LRR is doing for ECOWAS, or Armand did for Russia while Estenlands was gone. Someone not involved in the current war, who is known as someone who keeps up with the history of AMW/is a good RPer.

I wish you had picked an HL friendly nation to, Gurg.

A word about Italy. Before your time it was ruled by Caesar Maximus, and was a strong Holy League ally. After he left, Italy has remained a strongly pro-HL nation, complicit if you will, as was exhibited by the French troops landing in Sicily in my last post.

Oh, and BTW, did UE give your guys permission to pass the Canal?

And dog pile you msy try, but I have plenty of tricks on my sleeve. And, for the meantime, I still have the offensive esprit d'corps as you shall soon see.

I wish you had picked an HL friendly nation to, Gurg.

A word about Italy. Before your time it was ruled by Caesar Maximus, and was a strong Holy League ally. After he left, Italy has remained a strongly pro-HL nation, complicit if you will, as was exhibited by the French troops landing in Sicily in my last post.

Oh, and BTW, did UE give your guys permission to pass the Canal?

And dog pile you msy try, but I have plenty of tricks on my sleeve. And, for the meantime, I still have the offensive esprit d'corps as you shall soon see.

Well you did have another East Europe Holy League power but he was left out to dry.... beaten to the curb..... given to the dogs.....

Heh...sorry about that, Moorigton, but getting involved would've given China the excuse it wanted to send tens of millions of men marching through Siberia.

I wish you had picked an HL friendly nation to, Gurg.

A word about Italy. Before your time it was ruled by Caesar Maximus, and was a strong Holy League ally. After he left, Italy has remained a strongly pro-HL nation, complicit if you will, as was exhibited by the French troops landing in Sicily in my last post.

Oh, and BTW, did UE give your guys permission to pass the Canal?

And dog pile you msy try, but I have plenty of tricks on my sleeve. And, for the meantime, I still have the offensive esprit d'corps as you shall soon see.

Bump to Gurg...

If nothing else, NG, this should show you why it isn't a good idea to anger near every nation outside the Holy League. Perhaps a little more tact next time, eh?

Tact is good for the hinterlands of Africa, or minor insurgent states mon ami.

Dreams must be paid for in blood Im afraid, if history has taught us anything.

Oh, sorry. I was out for a while there. Uh, yeah. He gave both myself and Walmington unrestricted access a while back, although he took a bit to do it, during which time I was freaking out and expecting you to mobilize and take the ENTIRE Med for yourself. Lucky me he came through, haha.

Alright, I came back Sunday night to find out that my entire harddrive had been wiped out, but I have a laptop that my dad bought while I was away, so it's ok! Anyways, how's the situation now, and I understand that NG was RPing for me and he's now in the middle of a naval battle - I think I'm going to let NG finish the naval battle, and if I want to RP anything dealing with land based air attacks then I will do so. Regardless, I want to RP ground movements because I didn't want any Spanish armour to operate in Morocco, given that I barely have enough to defend Spain itself. But, apart from that, what has happened insofar?

Heh...sorry about that, Moorigton, but getting involved would've given China the excuse it wanted to send tens of millions of men marching through Siberia.

Hehe, I know, just got to rub salt in the wound every now and again ;)

Spiz dragged me into it.

Anyhow, if possible, I wish to signup as "Greater Brazil", consisting of everything north of Gurguvungunit's territory, All states North of Sao Paulo, bordering along the Rio Grande, all of Peru, and Bolivia as well if possible.

*Bows head*

I hope that is adequate for now. (Of course, Factbook and Population count will follow, it is somewere around 150-175 million off the top of my head iirc.)

Well, I don't know, get something up, and give us an intro RP, to tell us how good your style is.

The main people you ned to get approval from is probabaly Gugu and Fran, most especially Gugu.

Well, I don't know, get something up, and give us an intro RP, to tell us how good your style is.

The main people you ned to get approval from is probabaly Gugu and Fran, most especially Gugu.

Intro as in opening post or and example of my writing ?

A little of both, perhaps an IC factbook or introduction to your government. Don't worry, you can change it all up once you're accepted.

Uh, to be clear. I go up as far as Cape Frio (I call it Frigid Cape, since I anglicanized everythng), so... I'm not sure that I understand about Sao Paulo, since that's one of my cities. I only have a narrow coastline band, though, (~100-200 km wide at the widest) so you're welcome to the rain forest plus the northern population centres. I just have the major cities, so, uh.

Lots of those nations are Neo-Anarchos, but I'm not sure which. It's anarchy up there! Okay... okay. Lame joke. I dunno, S. America is being filled up with superstates, first SC and now Greater Brazil. I'm personally more comfortable with that claim minus either Peru or Bolivia, but whatever. Mostly, it's about how you want to play your nation. Is it going to be a run of the mill military power like the USQ, China or Beth Gellert, or a sort of behind the scenes manipulator like Austria or Yugoslavia?

Personally, I think we have too many military powers, and I'm guilty of becoming one right away as much as the next guy. But that's me, and I won't try to tell you how to run your nation.

Now hold on a minute here.

First of all Moorington, he needs to get far more than Gurg and Frans approval. Gurg and Fran after all are brand new members, its supposed to be a general consensus of the AMW community.

Second of all Mac, welcome back, good to see you again. Spain is gratefully yours again! TG me if you need anything.

Third, France is being directly supplied by the Tsarist Navy via the Baltic. Directly supplied. Any attempt to stop those supplies will bring Russia full force into the war. And Russia also gave France a 55 Billion Dollar War Bill, which you will see beeing used efficently in my Africa post tommorrow.

That is all.

That's rather tricky, but you're saying that all of your nation's commercial, economic AND military needs are being met by the Tsar? Because I find that frankly impossible. You have a 55 billion war chest, that's fine. But a nation needs its trade, even in times of war. During WWII, American trade never stopped, the Brits tried as hard as they could to keep theirs going (and ended up being subsidized, but not entirely bankrolled, by the Americans) and the like.

That's even more important now, when the world's economy is so 'global'. You no doubt have trading partners all over, not just in Russia. A lot of France's economic (not governmental) money will come from Asia, the Americas, anywhere it can. Those are the ships that I'm hitting; the civvie freighters (captured, not destroyed), the non French ships going to France are turned back to the best of my (currently limited) ability.

Believe it or not, I don't want to provoke a war with the Tsar. But if it comes to that... whatever. We always have China.

Allow me, sorry.

France has been planning for this even since Louis XX came to the throne, which the other players remember, but which was before you. Every step taken for two years IRL has been leading to this one, single point.

France is therefore on a total war economy. My links with Algeria are unbroken and thriving, I have Baltic trade with the Tsar, and Royce (who is everybodies friend) is supplying my African venture both by sea and from Southern Algeria, which I lease to him. Even if they were all, all, somehow cut, France would fight a defensive war, and has the manpower in France itself to do a World War I style conflict with armor and air support, my airforce being nearly untouched at this point, for a year maybe two on reserves. And you seem to think it will be easy. You will have to fight through every inch of Spain and France, and keep in mind at this point the Tsar would have navies and armies active in the conflict. Your looking at years and years and years of solid war.

Needless to say, the Holy League would loose. But in the process you would loose millions of mean and drain the west dry. Is that really realistic for a liberal democracy? Or are you showing your try colors and becoming what Beth Gellert says. And speaking of that chap, you know, once youve wasted 100% of everything the west and involved allies has subduing nearly all of Continental Europe, you wont win there. The reds will rise, and you will have a new Communist Bloc, after the devastation caused youd be able to count on it. Then you, mon ami, would be knocked off by the reds without so much as an effort on their behalf.

That said, keep an eye for my post tommorrow. Things may not have to come to that.

What? That's not what we're planning! You don't know! Shut up!
[Hides recently posted list of Soviet commitments to the ideological battleground]

Anyway, Russia's help can be over-estimated in an offensive war, with the Tsar standing to come a cropper if he engaged in full-scale war on anyone who was, say, impounding his transports as they passed through Skagerrak, or torpedoing them in the North Sea. Some of his enemies are waiting for an opportunity, others merely for an excuse.

But, eh, that's nothing to do with the Commonwealth, so my opinion doesn't matter until someone acts on it.

OOCly on ALL counts here, Australasia has very imperialist pretensions, which it will never admit to and never acknowledge. So yes, BG is right to an extent. But Australasia is also a fairly moral nation (a bit like the USQ, but without the religion) and objects to such things as UGC on Accra or ICBMing Buenos Aires. Quite frankly, I don't think that any nation would put up with an attack like the last and consent to peace deals. If it's gonna be three-four years of war then the Free Colony is in it for three or four years of war. Longer, if need be.

Yes, the Communists might take advantage, but even after a taxing war, nations can still put up a fight when they need to. Honestly? Australasia wouldn't win. But they hope it wouldn't come to that, and Raleigh firmly believes that capitalism is the way to go, and it firmly believes that it can convince the world of this. Admittedly, a hearts-and-minds conflict with BG would be harder than it was with the RL Soviet Union, since BG's system works (via handwave and imagination which while perfectly fine for NS, wouldn't cut it in RL today, but I digress) while the Soviets' didn't.

Honestly? You're not going to convince ME, the player, either. I know it'll take a while, and it'll be nasty to do. But the stated goals are taking back Portugal and Gibraltar, and freeing Africa. After that, anything else is... a bonus.

Oh, BTW, has AMW ever roleplayed a war crimes trial before?

EDIT: Oh, I realize that I forgot to make my point. You seriously have NO NON-EUROPEAN trade besides Royce?

Also, shipping going to the Caribbean flying the French flag is hardly safe. If Royce has a problem with this, I may reconsider. Royce's shipping is unmolested, but yours? Open season, for now.

I dunno, NG. You'd still be massively slaughtered in a war of attrition. And you've got to remember, nobody from India is going to do any invading in Europe. If European republics fall, it is their own fault, and the Sovietists can't be blamed for giving them a nudge in the right direction...which is indeed an unlikely scenario to begin with. During the First World War, the Western Liberal Democracies lost a fair few people, but they seemed to take it not all too badly, in the great scheme of things, eh? And against the Holy League, Walmingtonians and Australasians shouldn't have any doubts as to why they are fighting. The Indian National Union, for one, after warring the Bedgellens for four decades, isn't about to be humbled by a bunch of wig-wearing snuff-nosed crazies who so far have only proven themselves able to conduct the wholesale slaughter of poorly-defended civilians.

Wingert might give you his ships and his troops, but they won't have a country to return to if he does. Tsarist support can really only go so far, until China and Spyr get their excuse to go through with what would be a fairly easy operation, in the great scheme of things. No Malacca War, that much is certain.

The after effects of a failed Holy League would be pretty vicious, actually. Imagine the Capitalist west, the Anarchist Left, and the Orderly Left scrambling for control of Europe and Africa...if this is WW3, then that will be WW4.

How's this:


The Brazilian government has faired fairly well in past years, retaining itself as a a federal presidential representative democratic republic, but at the same time, changing itself internally. Only two political parties remained, eating out the smaller competitors, tailoring themselves slightly to make the smaller parties happy. The presidential role often overstepped it's boundaries, bending and sometimes even completely ignoring suggestions of the national congress.

Within the capital building in Brasilia, brawls between congressmen were common, although this was, of course, never mentioned, nor covered on major news outlets. The last president, Manuel Vitorino Peixtio, had been ruthlessly slain in Rio de Janeiro, along with his personal bodyguard and a several aides. His term would be remembered not for the corruption, death's, and hellish falling apart of the Brazilian political system, but for what the press portrayed him as, a caring, gentle man, who under the surface was more interested in picking up the nearest prostitute and stealing from the government for his own gain. Just in time for election, the main competitor was dead.

This caused repercussions that went seemingly unnoticed, but this was to prove incredibly important to the politicians that genuinly cared about their nation, of which there were few. One of these few was Venceslau Braz Pereira Gomes the second, who was unlike most politicians. He had gone to Princeton, and for once among the current generation of politicians, actually cared about his nation.

He wanted to revamp the congress, and revamp the economy, giving actual structure, unlike the current situation, were the majority of young people were more concerned with were they would drink and party next, then what the wanted to do with their futures. This made him terribly unpopular with fellow, and corrupt, politicians, but at the same time gained massive support from the middle class and lower classes, promising more jobs, new products, and new programs to assist the homeless.

In his first few day's in office he had made several minor changes, but these had been mostly cosmetic; increased police patrol's, cleaning up trash in the streets, homeless shelter upgrades, etc. The major stuff would take time, and Gomes knew this. He just didn't know how quickly things would change..

I dunno, NG. You'd still be massively slaughtered in a war of attrition. And you've got to remember, nobody from India is going to do any invading in Europe. If European republics fall, it is their own fault, and the Sovietists can't be blamed for giving them a nudge in the right direction...which is indeed an unlikely scenario to begin with. During the First World War, the Western Liberal Democracies lost a fair few people, but they seemed to take it not all too badly, in the great scheme of things, eh? And against the Holy League, Walmingtonians and Australasians shouldn't have any doubts as to why they are fighting. The Indian National Union, for one, after warring the Bedgellens for four decades, isn't about to be humbled by a bunch of wig-wearing snuff-nosed crazies who so far have only proven themselves able to conduct the wholesale slaughter of poorly-defended civilians.

Wingert might give you his ships and his troops, but they won't have a country to return to if he does. Tsarist support can really only go so far, until China and Spyr get their excuse to go through with what would be a fairly easy operation, in the great scheme of things. No Malacca War, that much is certain.


I don’ think that invasion of the Tsarist nations would be “easy” and that we would just collapse like Bonstock did. As per my factbook, I have I think more troops under arms right now than China, and allies, I think combined. I also lead the nation with perhaps the most veterans of major combat and have a reputation for fighting harshly and brutally.

The war would go on for years. I think that for the first year, the Tsarists would score some major and very bloody victories, which could include counter-attacks causing destruction into enemy nations. But, we would eventually be overwhelmed as China mobilised its massive population and industrial base and poured across the border, at the end of a few years, Chinese and allied troops would be pouring into Western Russia, laying siege to Moscow, and invading Ukraine. At that point, Wingert would have nothing to lose, and would make sure that Yugoslavia, for one, wouldn’t outlast his regime. WW2 would seem like a garden part in comparison, as we all must remember, Russia seems to have one or two nukes lying around.

Wingert is looking to compromise and stop this conflict before it starts, but of it starts, he will fight the Chinese like he fought the Soviet Union in his youth, and if he cannot win, he will make sure that his enemies will not be there to gloat about their victory.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Thank you buddy, I was feeling like I was about to be lynched here.

Your correct, 100%. What everybody seems to forget as well is that the HL is made of absolute monarchs, who would survive with their cronies as they order a fight to the utter end. With the religiousity embraced by France, Spain and Russia it would make the worst parts of World War II seem gay indeed. There would be no surrender, and as you point out we all have nukes here in our organization, and if the entire world is fighting us and we have nothing to loose, well then Louis-Auguste will go into the bunker with his massive extended Royal Family, you included of course, even Philip too, and play piquet while Armageddon shakes above.

This is not going to be 'easy', and I resent the remarks.

Again, that said, all we want is compromise. Please keep your eyes peeled today for my Africa post, I guarantee you it cant be missed.

Didn't we already discuss that we didn't want to use nukes for this, or any other conflict? Quite simply, if someone nuked-- say-- me, Walmington would reply. When Walmington got nuked, Quinntonia would probably go nuts and burn everything to the ground in a hail of radioactive fire.

Thus, AMW dies. So let's not use nukes, okay?

There would be no surrender, and as you point out we all have nukes here in our organization, and if the entire world is fighting us and we have nothing to loose, well then Louis-Auguste will go into the bunker with his massive extended Royal Family, you included of course, even Philip too, and play piquet while Armageddon shakes above.n

This is not going to be 'easy', and I resent the remarks.

Again, that said, all we want is compromise. Please keep your eyes peeled today for my Africa post, I guarantee you it cant be missed.

If you want to push it to the end, dont expect us to go half way.

First of all Moorington, he needs to get far more than Gurg and Frans approval. Gurg and Fran after all are brand new members, its supposed to be a general consensus of the AMW community.

I meant it as "at least" not a "restricted to". I think some members talked about needing some more approval than just two, nothing really happened specifically but I understand that trying to fly a country on just a limited amount of approval isn't going to cut it and wouldn't try and let other nations fly on just a limited approval rating.

Just wanted to give him an idea who he should be trying to get the approval of first and foremost.

That is all.
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You no doubt have trading partners all over, not just in Russia.......

Ahem, some one didn't mention a certain nautical (I use that term in the loosest manner) and a highly proliferate capitalist country that has a certain amount of trading being conducted with France (or at the least will be, when I get some hopeful government to government contracts up that will probably be filled by the HL and especially Spain-France).

Snippets

Just rember that Austria has been a peace loving country that no one should nuke, being a friend to all (nuclear belligerents) walks of life.

I like my country- Please don't kill it or AMW

*Taps impatiently upon desk*

oh, and bump.

I cant seem to find the Estenlands territories on that list

*Taps impatiently upon desk*

oh, and bump.


Well, uh, who are you again? Greater Brazil? Well a introduction RP would be cool to have, maybe an opening factbook thread and a general diplomacy thread? Has anyone noticed that Jolt has totally upgraded?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497590

Yay ^

If I can use Libya [and maybe Egypt], I would probably join.

Hello again everyone...long time no see ;)

Before you start wondering this is Kashu, back from the dead. Apologies for disappearing so suddenly at the end of last year due to work related issues (I can't recall whether I mentioned before I left that I'd been ill, and was in danger of falling behind with my work). Anyway, now that I am alive again (sort of) and for once in reasonable health, I wonder if it might be possible for me to rejoin (I've had some new RP ideas in the months I've been away which I'm eager to try out). Hopefully there are a couple of people here who can vouch that I am not a total jerk when it comes to realistic RP, even if I have shown an unhappy tendency for going AWOL!

Should I be allowed back, I will again be restricting myself to a relatively modest area. I don't know what the present situation is like, but I would be quite interested in occupying Mongolia, if that is still available. Failing that I can always establish my proposed state in the Sylhet Division of Bangladesh (population 7.9 million), which is in area I am familiar with from my days as Kashu (For the record, I ended up giving Kashu to a friend, and probably won't be asking for it's return...so it's either a new state or bust).

Anyhow, I shall restrain the planning until you guys can decide whether you can bear to have me around :D

Thanks,

Kashu/Akabania

Well, I'd have no problem with you taking Mongolia. I don't think it has any RP history at all, so you could probably do pretty much anything with it.

It isn't a position I'd envy, between China and the Russian Empire, but it's your neck =)

Yes, we most definitely need a Mongolian player. In case you haven't heard, Russia and China are pointing guns, planes, and nuke at each other and you have the envious position of being the buffer zone.

Thanks guys, although trust me to aim for no man's land...:rolleyes:

It seems clear that Mongolian society must be under extreme pressure at the moment due to the prevailing international climate, to the extent that any existing government would be highly vulnerable to subversion. Still, only homeless sociopaths could have any real interest in taking over the country...I mean, the place is on the brink of becoming hell on earth. Only a certain sort of flower will blossom in hell... ;)

Good to have you back!

I'll readily endorse you in Mongolia, or anywhere else for that matter, although it is a shame that you're leaving India now that things have heated-up.

I don't know, it seems a waste to take Mongolia right now, in the end, even if you compleetly rewrite the nation to make it more than the illiterate backwater that it is now, if war comes between the Tsar and China, and even if you didn't choose sides, it seems as though you would end up being demolished.
I would asy to look to somewhere else. Why not Europe, we have many nations still open there that could make good RPs.

WWJD
Amen.

If you want it, Akabania...

Good to have you back!

Thanks :) I must say it will be good to get into some decent Rp after going without for so long!

I don't know, it seems a waste to take Mongolia right now, in the end, even if you compleetly rewrite the nation to make it more than the illiterate backwater that it is now, if war comes between the Tsar and China, and even if you didn't choose sides, it seems as though you would end up being demolished.
I would asy to look to somewhere else. Why not Europe, we have many nations still open there that could make good RPs.

OK, joking aside I am not looking to get wiped out immediately after rejoing, and that seems to be the concensus concerning Mongolia; however, I'm not sure that Europe is quite what I have in mind. So, I have come up with a few options:

1. Akabania as Corporate City-State: Da-Nang Municipality, Vietnam. One of the premises behind Akabania is that it is a sovereign state established by the bizarre retainers of a powerful corporate conglomerate, the Akabana Zaibatsu. Now, provided Vietnam is currently unclaimed, one possibility would be for the Akabana to establish themselves in Vietnam's Da-Nang municipality (2004 population: 752,439, area: 1,256 km2), effectively creating an AMW version of Hong Kong or Singapore: a small but financially powerful bastion in SE Asia. Now I reckon that could be quite interesting, without taking all that much away from the Vietnam slot should another player want to control that at some point in the future (the Municipality doesn't cut the country in half or anything like that).

2. Modified Option 1. This probably won't work, but if people are desperate to have a neutral player in Mongolia, then I could always control it as a puppet-dependency of an Akabania based in Da-Nang. Yes, I know, not terribly plausible perhaps, but it might be possible to explain the unusual arrangement as the result of corporate interets in Mongolia's mining industry.

3. Akabania in Africa: Another idea involves the Akabanas, in the guise of the militant Red Flower Faction, taking control of a small African nation by staging a coup. Now personally I don't think this idea is anywhere near as neat as Option 1, but it could nonetheless be done.

4. Akabania in NE India: The third option is to locate Akabania in part of my former territories in NW India/Bangladesh, probably the Sylhet division of the latter (popn 7.9 million). Again, this could work but it might take a bit of creativity.

5. New State in NE India. If everything else fails, I could always give up on Akabania completely and form another India state a la Kashu (possibly related to Kashu, possibly something new). This is really a last resort though, as I wanted to try something a bit different this time.

Having thought things through, I reckon Option 1 would be the one most likely to bring something new to AMW, but I don't know what the current deal is with Vietnam so I can't judge the situation. Otherwise I would have to look into Options 3 and 4 more closely, but at least Option 4 involves an area I have some experience with in AMW terms. Option 5 is pretty much the last resort.

Anyway, those are some ideas- any feedback would be much appreciated.

:D Yay! Another neo-capitalist!

Hey; I am the somewhat amusing, only lukewarm when it comes to competency, neo-capitalist, Holy League leaning, over-bearing, cloak and dagger, unusually lacking in military structure, obsessive compulsive for economic details, often thought to speak another language*, morally insensitive, grammmer challenged, spelling inhibited, vocab another story....

*Drum-roll*

Austria! Your benevolent European wing of the capitalist movement, corporate bordello. Semper Fi, to open new markets!

Well yeah, sorry about the whole thing above. Just had to write something, I actually like the idea of #1. Especially since it would be a unique nation in AMW since Singapore has been under the rule of a maniac who was disposed of but still would have scared off a lot of investors. Since honestly, who would like to know that their life's money's work had just been destroyed to the last 2by4 because of a battleship barrage?

Ummm... I am rambling again. I'll stop, #1!.

*Roycelandia asked me that, because of a very bad post lacking in basic English skills.

Quite like the idea of No 1.

Vietnam is currently a democracy, recieving aid from the Soviets. Generally rather poor relations with China, since we took the Spratlys, polluted the Mekong, and sent clouds of acid rain their way.

I'm slightly at a loss at what you would do - Akabania wouldn't have much influence, and you might end up being quite bored by constantly RPing trade talks, etc.

Have you considered playing Singapore? Fits all the other criteria except for financial power.

:D Yay! Another neo-capitalist!

Sort of...although the capitalist aspect represents the more 'normal' side of Akabania (I won't go into how twisted they are here, as that would only spoil things)

Quite like the idea of No 1.
I'm slightly at a loss at what you would do - Akabania wouldn't have much influence, and you might end up being quite bored by constantly RPing trade talks, etc.

That's partly a deliberate choice. Personally I find that playing a major power can be something of a headache, simply because there is a lot of responsibility attached to all that influence. Quite frankly, I'm not always sure I can live up to that, which is why I prefer having a smaller country where I can do things my way and at my own pace without unduly affecting everyone else.

As far as Akabania goes, well there is more to them than trade talks and making money...they are also involved in all manner of shadowy activities, including money laundering, arms trading and subversive activities across the thrid world. So, although they don't have much political influence as a sovereign nation, as an organisation I see them as having tenticles in all kinds of places; of course these 'twilight' activities are handled through proxies, so any flak doesn't come back to them. Now I don't know how well this idea will work in parctice, but they are the sort of people who can arrange things when a more powerful nation wants something done, but doesn't want to be seen to be doing it.

Have you considered playing Singapore? Fits all the other criteria except for financial power.

I thought Singapore was already taken...

Still, given that from what I have heard it seems to have been wrecked quite recently, it could be just the sort of place for the Akabana...who will then set to work rebuiding it as a financial/commercial centre.

Ok then...since Option 1 seems to have potential, here are a couple of revised ideas based on that:

1. Da Nang/Vietnam: Basically I apply for the whole of Vietnam, with the proviso that most of the country will remain a fairly shaky democracy, according to the following plan: The Akabana supports an internal coup in Vietnam, which ends up replacing the present government with a fraily corrupt, notionally-democratic regime (think South Vietnam and you won't be far off). In return for their covert assistance, the new regime cedes control of Da Nang Municipality to the Akabana, who establish an autonomus enclave, that eventually drifts towards actual sovereignty. The rest of the nation, meanwhile, effectively exists as a sort of puppet for the powerbrokers in Da Nang.

Pros: This solution would give me some real influence in SE Asia, whilst still allowing me to play my original idea for a small country.

Cons: Potential issues given Soviet support for the existing government (not insurmountable, as the new Vietnamese regime can also be fairly pro-soviet)

2. Singapore: Following the ousting of the previous ruler (I will need some background here please!) the Akabana group have taken control of Singapore, and are currently in the process of rebuilding it in their image.

Pros: As a collapsed/wrecked state, an Akabana takeover is much more plausible here (at least that's the impression I get- will need to double check current situation). Also, as I have IRL been to Singapore, it might be easier to RP convincingly!

Cons: As a collapsed/wrecked state, it rebuilding it as a major commercial centre might prove difficult (although that could provide an impetus for RP)


Either of those would work fine for me, so it's really up to the rest of you. Basically I will go with the option that allows me to get started soonest ;)

Is the region of canada taken?if not,i would like to join in on this oh-so-awesome rp,placing the country of eurometrica in its region.

For background i thought it would be nice to have a low-tech refugee country in the canada region composed of those who escaped the american theocratic revolution and established their own country in the frozen wastelands of canada to avoid religuos persecution.The country is for the most part run by athiest but it's doors are welcome to all.

As for its relationship with the USQ,its obviuosly a very harsh and violent one.with the borders being watched with sniper rifles and riddled with land mines.due to the low-tech nature of the country it has been covertly negotiating with the dra-pol(sp?) in a right of passage deal that allows them to station their troops within Eurometrica's lands,allowing for frontline confrontations against the USQ on their own soil.This in exchange for modern technology needed for survival in their harsh lands,and mutual military support against the USQ.

Due to the harsh environment and primitive technology to counter it,the population has yet to be able to climb much past it's population of 25 million.Military technology limits them to the basic use of the AK family of guns and IEDs.They have no airforce,and very little armored combat vehicles of questionable effectiveness.

Domesticlly they are vibrantly cultured as refugees from all walks of life and faith have fled to Eurometrica for shelter.domestic technology does provide computers and internet,but most everything is sort of hashed together due to lack of international support and trade.Recently however the country has gone under heavy mining operations of the vast untapped oil feilds of the region and is starting to turn a nice profit,however with no one to trade it with as of yet its quite useless.The ultimate goal of Eurometrica is true independence,and the ability to defend itself from the USQ's almost innevitable attack.The country also seeks to be one of the world's big players in the oil industry as it seeks the money necessary to become a modernized nation.

Sort of...although the capitalist aspect represents the more 'normal' side of Akabania (I won't go into how twisted they are here, as that would only spoil things)

Well, Austria isn't "neo-capitalist" but we are in this world of communism and not so free trade.

Well, Austria isn't "neo-capitalist" but we are in this world of communism and not so free trade.

True ;)

OK...I've had a look at the material written by Spyr (http://z9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=240&st=15) concerning the current situation in East Asia, and on that basis, I would be happy to apply for Singapore.

If I am accepted, the Red Flower Faction would immediately subvert the former FRB regime in power there (since the economy was badly hit following the war, I reckon the regime would be keen to attract investment...providing the Akabana with a way in).

One other thing: Since I am not all that familiar with the ex-FRB leaders mentioned by Spyr (e.g. General Harold Lee & Colonel Shunmugan Jayakumar), I won't kill any 'named characters' off in case other players wish to make use of them in their own RPs...presumably they will be able to flee abroad.

Likely they'll be able to get into the Andamans, and seek refuge there initially at least. They can waste in the jungle until somebody needs them.

Anyway, I've no opposition to the idea, but other players are far more familiar with Bonstock and its legacy than am I.

Eurometrica - The former RPer of Canada was quite pro-Quintonnia. You have to take that history into account as well.

Akabana - No problems! Looking forward to the thread.

Eurometrica - The former RPer of Canada was quite pro-Quintonnia. You have to take that history into account as well.

Akabana - No problems! Looking forward to the thread.

Darn!they goes the plot for my country then.what about iceland?

True ;)

OK...I've had a look at the material written by Spyr (http://z9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=240&st=15) concerning the current situation in East Asia, and on that basis, I would be happy to apply for Singapore.

If I am accepted, the Red Flower Faction would immediately subvert the former FRB regime in power there (since the economy was badly hit following the war, I reckon the regime would be keen to attract investment...providing the Akabana with a way in).

This Akabana Zaibatsu sounds slighty Japanese in origin.....

What's the potential relationship between Akabanian Singapore and Japan, just out of interest? Were the Akabana based in Japan at some point before deciding to leave, and if so why did they leave? Just so I know if there's any initial diplomatic handicap I might encounter.

On Canada:

Actually, Hudecia (AMW's former Canada) ought not be dismissed as a mere 'pro-Quinntonian' state. Hudecia had a wonderfully rich history and participation in RP, which most certainly must be taken into account by a new player, but I think there is room to develop a new story on the base of the old.

For example, when Hudecia left there was a disconnect between the executive Presidency (controlled by the Conservative Party, controlled by corporate elements and favourable to Quinntonia) and the legislative Parliament (controlled by the leftist/'two-solitudes' Bloc Francophonie, which had been far more favourable to Progressive elements, but had shared cultural roots with monarchist France).

Hudecia was quite a bit different from RL Canada, far more focused on the Pacific than the Atlantic. They had purchased F-22 stealth fighters from Quinntonia, had developed a domestic interceptor dubbed the 'Arrow II' in honour of the acclaimed-but-cancelled Avro Arrow, and maintained a couple of aircraft carriers (the Ralph Klein, and at least one other), and had been involved in military ventures to defend South Korea from an invasion by the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol (North Korea, geographically), and to destroy the Federal Republic of Bonstock (Indonesia+Malaysia+Singapore). In both cases, they fought quite well, alongside like-minded nations, though casualties and war expenses were predictably unpopular at home (I believe this was one of the causes that led to the Bloc Francophonie beating out the Conservatives for control of Parliament). The conflict in Korea saw the CPRD advance southward past Seoul before a stalemate resulted in the survival of a diminished South Korea.

In the war against Bonstock, Hudecian naval elements and troops played a key role in defeating the FRB fleet and siezing control of the Sakishima islands (which were promptly returned to Japan). The shaky Bonstockian state collapsed soon after, and Hudecian forces occupied the islands of Borneo and Sulawesi with the intention of stabilizing matters there. However, ethnic and religious tensions were intense, and the Hudecians made the error of entrusting increasing power in the hands of one Mohammed Kalla, who eventually asked them to leave. The Hudecians weren't in a position to oppose him, with a war-weary populace back home and an Indonesian army already equipped at Hudecian expense, and so departed peacefully.
Indonesia (Kalimantan and Sulawesi) is now a fundamentalist Muslim state of sorts, with Kalla as dictator.

Hudecia was also a member of NATO, along with Quinntonia, Roycelandia, and Britain, though they had expressed some concerns over the monetary payments being asked as contributions to an associated development fund.

Erm... and the president of one of the Baltic republics was raised and educated in Hudecia. She and her family (holding Hudecian citizenship) were killed a while back when Russia and the Ukraine launched an invasion and took control of the Baltics.

Culturally, there were also differences... an increased focus on Asia, and acceptance of thousands of Korean refugees after the war there, have given Hudecia/Canada a higher Asian population. There was some controversy over allowing so many Korean immigrants at once, as they were highly supportive of the Conservatives, and citizenship was granted en-masse suspiciously close to Presidential elections. The Francophones (which as a political movement I think included some elements in addition to the Quebecois (Acadians or Manitoba Metis?)) were less focussed on the rhetoric of seperatism, and more on 'distinct society' rights (and a larger share of the government budget).

Economically, Hudecia was capitalist through-and-through. Large corporations wielded a lot of power over governments (particularly the Conservatives, rather than the Bloc) as the laws on donations to political parties are loose and with little oversight, giving parties access to funds sufficient to 'buy' votes through flashy campaigns. Obviously, some corruption results from this, and there didn't seem to be particularly strenuous safeguards... as I recall, there was a kerfuffle over agents on BOTH sides trying to stuff ballot boxes during the last Presidential election.
On the subject of politics, Hudecia (at some point I'm not sure of) left the British Commonwealth and ceased to have the British monarch as head of state, replacing the old system with one similar to that of the RL United States... a President head of state, in charge of the executive, with control of the military and foreign policy, elected by proportion of popular vote; and a unicameral Parliament for a legislature, elected by region (by proportion of popular vote within a specific riding), with powers over the budget, from which the head of the party or coalition that held a majority of votes was made Prime Minister (head of government).

Erm, thats all I recall at the moment. Its a detailed footprint to have to fill, but it would be nice to see Canada step back onto the AMW stage.

On Singapore:

It would be great to see Singapore re-appear in RP, the last remnant of Bonstock to emerge from the ashes as it were. The state does have a lot to contend with, however... its population was once the elite of a rather brutal empire, and there is a huge amount of hatred for them in the surrounding region (the Malaysians won't even sell them water!) that will take a long time to heal even if the city starts upon a new course.

Of course, between courts in Sujava, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Timor, half of Singapore's current government are wanted for war crimes charges, so if you wanted to 'blank slate' the local characters, you could always extradite them to Kuala Lumpur and sit back while someone else puts the bullets in their brains.

Heh, if they fled to the Nicobars, and didn't seem to have their stealth bombers along for the ride, it'd probably be a race between the Malay and the Sujavans to see who could catch them in a car bomb first... before WWIII broke out, we were all set to storm in to slit throats and steal satellite control codes.

I'll see what i can do with canada's history to try and step in there.

The thing to bear in mind with Vietnam is that the Vietnam War ran a little differently in AMW...

Basically, everything up until Dien Bien Phu was more or less as per RL, but instead of the French recognising Vietnam's independence, they transferred Colonial control to Roycelandia- who, along with the French, proceeded to wage a bloody and expensive war which dragged on until about 1980 or so, when Roycelandia's difficulties in Africa precluded fighting expensive wars in both Indochina AND East Africa. As history records, the Roycelandians withdrew from Indochina and focused on East Africa.

Interestingly, Roycelandia does not recognise the nation of Vietnam as being a sovereign nation, instead viewing the country as "Roycelandian territory under the administration of another entity" (the same legal status as accorded to Lusaka, FWIW).

For practical purposes, this means that Roycelandia would rather like their former colony back, but isn't likely to do too much about it unless there's a civil war or something in the area that they can exploit...

Especially since the SRV now has anti-ballistic-missile defences and multi-role fighter jets :)

Eh, trust Spyr to... be able to remember what happened last week (and before)! Show-off.

This Akabana Zaibatsu sounds slighty Japanese in origin.....

What's the potential relationship between Akabanian Singapore and Japan, just out of interest? Were the Akabana based in Japan at some point before deciding to leave, and if so why did they leave? Just so I know if there's any initial diplomatic handicap I might encounter.

A company called Akabana is known to have existed during the last years of the Ringist Shogunate, but it appears to have ceased trading within Japan by the time of the second imperial restoration. It is generally assumed that the present Akabana Zaibatsu is descended from this company, but in the absence of extant records this theory cannot by confirmed.

Almost nothing is known about the owner, Lord Antoku Akabana; he is said to be of Anglo-Japanese heritage, one of the richest private individuals in the world, and the only surviving holder of a Ringist peerage (he was allegedly granted the title of danshaku, or baron). Notwithstanding the latter honour, he does not appear to have been closely involved with the Ringist regime.

Hope that helps ;)

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Right...well unless there are any last minute objections to me taking Singapore, I shall try and get my opening thread started tomorrow

Austria is eager to send someone over; maybe introduce Cheif Bordman of Stille Incorporated? I had him get supplies and arms to the Mauritius once.

Does anyone have a good link(s) (looks at Walmington) on the general aspects of ship making, what are the details for what classifications and other stuff someone looking into making ships would like to read about? I might as well try to get some kind of fleet going. I could alays buy it but it'll be fun to do some domestic arms production.

Finally, would it just be fine to write it up that Austria has ordered 400 Eurocopters? I am trying to get a good fleet (to say the least) of a helocopter fleet which would consist of transportation versions, maybe some anti-tank, and some general good against groundpounders, recon; I just want to have a good heli fleet. Even if Austria can only hve around 100-200 in service at any one time.

It looks good to me, Akabania. Nice to have somebody in Singapore, ever since Bonstock was given the boot by Sino. It really is a shame that we don't have more Southeast Asia players, considering all the highly interesting states happening that way...

How do you feel if I get the moon

How do you feel if I get the moon

Indifferent.

How do you feel if I get the moon

Kinda quiet and empty up there. Some Quinntonian garbage, maybe a Roik minibar or something. Not so many... people.

I'm sure the Russian Mafia had a seedy bar there at some point.

You could control the first nation-bar ever to be founded, only the classy of the classy will be able to afford it and military would just be some bouncers and the dismall black vacum.

Hey, now, the Roiks haven't been to the moon! The ISC is a clear No2 in the space-race at the moment (behind the USQ), and our moon-programme, one step short of a landing, has been delayed by the outbreak of war.

Hey, who says we haven't been to the moon? Roycelandia does have a massive Black Budget, and we've got spacecraft and the technology to do it... It stands to reason we've done it before.

We're Roycelandians on the moon
We carry a Lee-Enfield
And sing this little tune :D

Does Greece have a player right now?

I do not believe so. There have been a few Greeces, but none that lasted.

Why do you ask? Just out of curiosity...

Because I'm hoping to turn Crete into a forward base, and I need to know what he thinks about that. Cyprus is too far east, really, so it's either Crete or Malta, and Malta would be subject to frequent air attack whereas Crete is at the limit of Rafale/Mirage combat radius.

If Greece was a played nation, I'd obviously need his go-ahead. If it isn't, then... I dunno. What's the precedent here? Was the last Greece pro, anti or neutral towards the League?

Mabye you could use Libya! Oh wait...

I think the last Greece that I heard about was playing it as a very poorly-run Monarchy like the one that existed under Constantine II from 1964-1974.

Hmmm... do you recall what his political leanings were (the player's, not Constantine's)? I mean, monarchy usually means HL, but still... Even if he is HL friendly, I imagine I could take Crete if I needed it. But I don't want to necessarily commit to an island-taking exercise against a neutral nation, you know?

Ah just take the island and make a damn good post about it. With so much going on Austria doesn't give a damn what happens to chronically backwards Greece, were all thinking about going to Iceland to escpae the nuclear holocuast.

TEMPORARY ABSENSE FROM AMW

I'm moving, and as such, I will be without internet for a bit
Do not expect me to be on for around a week or two
Also, please don't invade me

Hmm.

Apologies for being difficult, but in the last week I've had second thoughts about taking Singapore...it's just too 'developed' (in a prior RP sense) for Akabania. Put simply, I can't realistically see all those ex-Bonstockian loyalists accepting Akabana rule, which means I will either end up abandoning realism or not playing the state as I want to (I can already see both happening in my mediocre attempt at an opening RP, which frustrates me)

It may sound like a bizarre request, but could I relocate to Botswana (I know that USSNA has designs there). It has natural resources to explain Akabana interest, and would provide a suitable 'blank slate' for Akabania; in addition I have some experience RPing in Africa (and in Botswana in particular) thanks to my time in NS Africa.

Any objections/thoughts?

Well, another PC-nation having designs on an NPC nation doesn't have to stop you taking it, certainly. The SAF may still try to take-over, by invading or by more subtle means, but, then again, the Akabanians or whatever may be able to talk them out of it, or otherwise get the better of them.

Of course, there'll also be Soviet forces just next door in Namibia, conducting a political recovery of the founding communist ideals of the SWAPO, so I would make some advance threats, now, but, as luck would have it, the Soviets' days are numbered. Sigh!

Well, another PC-nation having designs on an NPC nation doesn't have to stop you taking it, certainly. The SAF may still try to take-over, by invading or by more subtle means, but, then again, the Akabanians or whatever may be able to talk them out of it, or otherwise get the better of them.

Of course, there'll also be Soviet forces just next door in Namibia, conducting a political recovery of the founding communist ideals of the SWAPO, so I would make some advance threats, now, but, as luck would have it, the Soviets' days are numbered. Sigh!

Well, I am willing to work with neighbours like SAF or even Namibia (within reason of course), so short of a direct direct attack I don't see any major issues there.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a nation like SAF to particularly like what I have in mind for Botswana...

Change of plans...I've decided to give Singapore another go, and see if I can't make it work.

I'm going to be away this weekend which will give me a chance to think things through, and when I return I will start a new intro thread (consigning the last, unsatisfactory one to the trash pile).

Well, our planet looks pretty different now. We have Jean leaving soon, BG on his way out and Walmington/Dra-Pol (who I totally didn't realize was the same person until about a week ago) 'bored of NS'.

Although I mentioned it on the regional message board, what are we gonna do?

Mac, I don't know how you feel about taking over full-time for NG now that he's gone (I don't know how I feel about that either). But fact is, we're gonna need at least one, maybe two new, very skilled RPers willing to learn a pile of history to take over for NG (as some kind of France, or whatever) and perhaps BG. Maybe we oughta start... advertising? You know, TG some people known for their skills and free time, ask 'em if they're interested in giving it a go.

I was sort of thinking about some of the Haven gang, though I have no idea if they're interested or not. People like Prae, Sarz and the rest. But anyway, if you can think of anyone who might be interested, it could be wise to drop them a TG.

Well, our planet looks pretty different now. We have Jean leaving soon, BG on his way out and Walmington/Dra-Pol (who I totally didn't realize was the same person until about a week ago) 'bored of NS'.

Although I mentioned it on the regional message board, what are we gonna do?

Mac, I don't know how you feel about taking over full-time for NG now that he's gone (I don't know how I feel about that either). But fact is, we're gonna need at least one, maybe two new, very skilled RPers willing to learn a pile of history to take over for NG (as some kind of France, or whatever) and perhaps BG. Maybe we oughta start... advertising? You know, TG some people known for their skills and free time, ask 'em if they're interested in giving it a go.

I was sort of thinking about some of the Haven gang, though I have no idea if they're interested or not. People like Prae, Sarz and the rest. But anyway, if you can think of anyone who might be interested, it could be wise to drop them a TG.

That would be cool, since I really do think we need more than a pasive recruiting stance, put ourselves out there in those gameplay directories, like NS Yellow Pages and whatnot. Since I don't know about you but filling NG and BG's shoes is a big task, and I really don't know who is up for it.

Since honestly, the only active non-Anti-HL player would be me, and I really don't wat to play anything right now with school, and like Austria to much to switch. Then again, even if I wanted to I have the distinct impression you guys wouldn't hand the country off to me.... :p

Well, BG seems okay with having the Third Commonwealth become an introverted morass, so we don't have to worry about that for a while (until I try to take it over in a few years, haha). But I know that there are some great RPers out there, it's just a matter of finding them.

Well, BG seems okay with having the Third Commonwealth become an introverted morass, so we don't have to worry about that for a while (until I try to take it over in a few years, haha). But I know that there are some great RPers out there, it's just a matter of finding them.

Hmmm, I would suggest checking out people I RP with but not to many are up to NG's level. If I had to pick the best I would ask DMG, Sharina, Alif Laam Miim, and Praetonia. I must admit the calibar in which AMW is usually played exceeds quite a few [all] of my RPs. My time here, I admit, has increased my general RPing quite a lot. Look at my first posts here at AMW...

*Runs of to find The Morr Guy's noobish posts*

Edit: After all this time my grammer still needs some work.

Gurg'; - Sarz' left NS. As for the others...I'll contact some them, and see if I can get them to join. Bleh, I feel depressed. BG and Jean practically sure that they are leaving...Dra-Pol (the AMW God) is "bored"...hmm...

And yet still posts in the Draftroom? I dropped a line to Praetonia, we'll see what happens there.

Yeah, sorry about that. It's not that I'm bored of AMW, exactly, but for some time I've felt that my best NS days are behind me.

Walmington on Sea was its own nation with a bumbling cast of characters and deceptively malignant imperial edge, and had a very enjoyable (if on-again off-again) alternate WWII going on. But that ended certainly far more than a year ago, maybe more than two, and WoS just sort of survived without a purpose. I just didn't ever really kill it, because I was still around playing Dra-pol, which was just so different, and I enjoyed creating it and seeing just how cruel I could be! The early feud with Quinntonia and his pre-AMW Christian/capitalist allies was a genuinely taxing struggle for the survival of the nation I'd built... I just don't think that it's the sort of thing I can get back.

Every dog has its day... and then a Drapoel soup kitchen catches up with it.

It lasted for years, but there's only a couple of things in life about which I can remain unfailingly enthusiastic.

But, hey, AMW has its phases. When we started, it was just me saying that things had to change and I was going to play with a realistic population et cetera, join me if you want, and Q. taking it upon himself to start a recruitment drive from scratch. Before long, two nations had become a whole world. I assume that you can do it again.

Maybe N-A will return some day soon. You'll get a new monster, too. I so don't trust the last big influx of nations. They're wrapped in some general or specific conspiracy aimed at world domination, I'm sure. And, hey, Germany's way scarier than France, anyway *pokes Germany*

And yet still posts in the Draftroom? I dropped a line to Praetonia, we'll see what happens there.

That'll be cool if we snag him, he was bashing E II the other day and spotted him. AMW seems his kind of world.

Well Walmington, good to know you arn't toally disliking the idea of AMW/NS quite yet. Hope you stay onboard.

If Germany were ever around, I'm sure that I would have things to say to him...

World domination? Me? I'm hurt. *Hides plans, copies of Mahan's Seapower and maps with Big Red Xes* No, seriously. It's all you little (or not so little) nations that aren't doing much except building and watching. Like you, Franberry. I'm watching you...

Uhm, yeah. AMW's kinda slow these days, which is good. School=busy.

Perhaps now is not the time to announce we've decided to do what everyone expects us to do and annex all of Africa (except Strathdonia)?

Effective September 21st, the entire Continent of Africa will be known as Roycelandian Africa. Resistance is futile. :D

Nah, seriously, I think it's time to recruit some new members...

Hello. I'm not sure if this is still open or not, and if it is open what territories are open for claim, but I'd like to join. I could provide a sample of my roleplay, if you wanted, though I need to know if it should be NS Specific.

Perhaps now is not the time to announce we've decided to do what everyone expects us to do and annex all of Africa (except Strathdonia)?

Effective September 21st, the entire Continent of Africa will be known as Roycelandian Africa. Resistance is futile. :D

Nah, seriously, I think it's time to recruit some new members...

*looks at the fields full of burning Roycelandian Armour*, i think resistance isnt futile :D
GLORY TO THE SULTUNATE

Heh, depending on how things go with the Saharawi, and Algeria after France departs, Morocco's not in a bad position to start forging its 'Greater Maghreb'. Bloody hell...

Is Poland, the Czech Republic or Slovakia still completely independant?

Spyr, aint war hell :p

*looks at the fields full of burning Roycelandian Armour*, i think resistance isnt futile :D
GLORY TO THE SULTUNATE

I think Royce could take you. Especially seeing as your days as an 'African Power' are directly related to how long Spain can continue supplying you in the face of rather global ire.

Kappelia, feel free.

I think Royce could take you. Especially seeing as your days as an 'African Power' are directly related to how long Spain can continue supplying you in the face of rather global ire.
Actually no, i get weapons from other places than Spain, and Royce would probably be tied up by massive guerilla operations elsewhere in Africa so much that i doubt he could put a large percentage of his force against Morocco without waiting long enough for me to lay a few tens of millions more landmines and teach everyone in my country how to use rifles and ATGMs

Honestly? I'm not too concerned either way. But I still don't like Morocco's chances against the world's largest and longest lasting empire. I'd expect that if things started to go badly, Royce would simply show up with more Lancaster bombers than most of us have aircraft and start going nuts over Rabat.

Just a quick note to say that I'm back from my 'weekend absence' (which turned into a whole week) and am ready to get into things ;)

Hey, I am still involved, but since school has started up do not expect the biggest involvement by me, on the weekends I still always look over at all the half-baked Royc-Afrika schemes ;) .

Moor: what's that link in your sig to? Looks cool.

Also, you have us as AWM, rather than AMW.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499917&highlight=Spyr

Buzz and Rumble in the East Indian Jungle

Aw, dammit. And here I was gonna do that, albiet more gracefully and in about a year. Oh, well. Anti-communist diatribe and tiny, token military force it is, then. I'll just watch. And wait.

EDIT: Who owns the territory around Akabania's Singapore?

That would be NPC Malaya. See here (http://z9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=240&st=15) for information.

*raises eyebrow*
Quite the history. Wish had the patience to do something like that. So supposing I wanted to lease/buy a piece of Malaya (and supposing that NPC Malaya would even entertain the idea) how would I go about it?

My guess is that you would do well to grant the Malay government a low-interest loan. They certainly need those. And promise to defend them against the Singaporeans, too. But Spyr has the best handle on the situation.

I would say that they'd be eager to accept money in exchange for renting out a base... after the Sinoese and Marimaian assaults, and the FRB Navy's wholesale retreat to Singapore, there isn't much existing infrastructure present, but there are lots of locals willing to work construction.

The difficulty is, the government is unstable. Extremely so. If they start to wobble, they may either demand that the Aussies depart without their equipment (so they can sieze and sell it), or increase the rental fees. And, the risk of Jemmah Islamiyah terrorists and locals who just want to steal stuff for black market sale would require a pretty careful watch on the surrounding terrain. Regional and ethnic jealousies might flare if one area saw a monetary influx while another didnt, and so on and so forth. Its a quagmire that could eat anyone who pokes a finger in... exactly why Sujava hasn't made advances, and Walmington put plans there on hold when facing war at home.

I'm willing to take the risk, honestly. It'll probably take the form of Gitmo base, except without the political prisoners. You know, guard towers, fences, razorwire and HMG emplacements. But no need to irritate the locals, I'm sure that Australasian servicemen'll aid the local economy.

Supposing I just waltz in with a pair of DDGs and have a chat with NPC Malaya? I'll use Makassar strait, no need to start a war over it.

The Malayan Government will also find themselves approached by the Imperial Trading Company, who wish to purchase large quantities of rubber and other natural resources...

This is only a suggestion, but since we really need a full-time Malaysian player to deal with the various Chinese, Australasian and Roycelandian requirements, to say nothing of the Strainist-Indonesian confrontation, maybe some sort of political union could be engineered with Akabania to allow me to fill this RP need...

After all, such a development would not be implausible IC; on the one hand, the Malaysian economy seems to be in need of some major redevelopment (which Akabanian Singapore could conceivably help with), whilst Singapore needs the food, water and natural resources of Malaysia to function. And since the old ex-Bonstockian regime is no longer in power, there would be less opposition to a political union (although as I understand it, most Malays were not all that unhappy with Bonstockian rule).

Anyway, I thought I would make the suggestion since it's still early days for Akabania, and my RP plans are flexible...and this way Royce can secure his rubber, Australasia can get that base and China can build bridges without the problem of finding a new player...

A Malayan player is certainly neccessary, and some sort of union between a Malay government and a resurgent Singapore is not implausible, though I doubt Akabana could stabilize the place even with his sizeable resources. Perhaps we could get Depkazia to represent the sizeable Islamic movement on the peninsula, which would really be the major disruptive force for both domestic and foreign movements there, and would probably look to the Caliph-Khan-[insert other titles here] now that Kalla has been cut off from them, while the government in Kuala Lumpur enters limited federation with Singapore once Sujava begins to assert itself against Indonesia. Some of the peninsular population, that not consumed by Islamic resurgence, would certainly look back on the Federal Republic wistfully... it was the Sinoese that did the lion's share of damage, and Marimaia's puppet Prince who dropped them from poor to impoverished when he absconded with the treasury. Malayan Borneo is a different story, having been a third-tier rather than second-tier economy under the FRB, but that area is hardly bound for status-quo stability anyhow, given Sujavan intentions there ;)

On purchasing rubber and natural resources... the Malayan state is poor, and unstable... it isn't stupid. Its already selling everything it can to whoever will pay the most money for it (there's a list of import/export partners somewhere on the offsite forums, which LRR linked above I think), and so buying natural resources from them involves competing with existing buyers, rather than showing up to take advantage of untapped sources.

You guys, the RP im doing as Morocco has stopped dead due to the Saharwi not responding, could i take over playing as Italy part time? Id like to semi-reset it, ie Getting rid of that whole Roman thing but remain partially aligned with the holy league

Ah, yer, err sorry about that... haven't had much time for the Saharawi, and the state of things is a bit muddled, so I've been holding off a reply... the Indians and Combine are the Saharawi's succour, and France is Spains, in a sense, so with BG and France departing and AC busy, I'm a bit hobbled in terms of figuring out where things stand.

Mauritania is also an issue... the Spanish have landed troops there, but the Austrians seem to have colonial interests there as well, and in RL they're currently governed by the army after a popular coup (Islamic leanings, against foreign control of resources), as well as keeping around 3/4 of their armed forces on the border with Western Sahara in case of Moroccan invasion. Any volunteers to play out a tiny NPC facing certain doom?

As Mauritania? Heck, I could give it a shot. Assume mostly RL Mauritanian forces, government and the like, eh? (Or not, I don't know what the AMW history is. If LRR/TCB want to fill me in, that'd be cool. Presuming he knows.)

A Malayan player is certainly neccessary, and some sort of union between a Malay government and a resurgent Singapore is not implausible, though I doubt Akabana could stabilize the place even with his sizeable resources. Perhaps we could get Depkazia to represent the sizeable Islamic movement on the peninsula, which would really be the major disruptive force for both domestic and foreign movements there, and would probably look to the Caliph-Khan-[insert other titles here] now that Kalla has been cut off from them, while the government in Kuala Lumpur enters limited federation with Singapore once Sujava begins to assert itself against Indonesia. Some of the peninsular population, that not consumed by Islamic resurgence, would certainly look back on the Federal Republic wistfully... it was the Sinoese that did the lion's share of damage, and Marimaia's puppet Prince who dropped them from poor to impoverished when he absconded with the treasury. Malayan Borneo is a different story, having been a third-tier rather than second-tier economy under the FRB, but that area is hardly bound for status-quo stability anyhow, given Sujavan intentions there ;)

One scenario in these circumstances would involve Akabania sponsoring a military coup (hopefully bloodless) in Kuala Lumpur; in return for funding the operation, Akabana would be installed as notional head of state whilst the coup leader would become Prime Minister and head of Malaysia's government, thereby establishing a limited personal union between the two states. Naturally the Islamicists (and certain foreign governments) will not particularly like this, but it would satisfy Akabana's requirement for control over Johore's water supplies, and any Islamic insurgency would just have to be dealt with if and when it arose. East Malaysia would probably be quietly abandoned, on the grounds that without a navy it can't be held anyway.

Regardless of what happens it seems that there is enormous scope for a Malaysian RP, even though it will almost inevitably end with the partition of that unfortunate country ;)

Got my internet back!

I'll catch up within a few days

We seem to have lost United Elias... who gets the Canal?

*surreptitiously sends a bit of the Island Fleet to secure Alexandria*

Well, I assume that the successor state of Egypt, or anyone who comes along to play a new nation there, will retain control... largely by virtue of the inherited military assets of a 1st world major power.


I wonder if anyone else wants to start a new AMW home thread, one which they can be bothered to get up to date. I've fallen too far behind to attempt a proper update, now. And the world has changed significantly, and continues to change. Lots of players indicated interest and then dropped-out, recently, too. I imagine AMW might need a tidy-up and something of a re-boot with UE gone, BG going, Walmington probably turning over to some sort of union with Australasia, Dra-pol sort of withering away, and whatever else is going on these days.