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[This thread is under construction. This thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859) is the original recruitment thread. While it is wound-up and this one comes to life, the old thread can continue to be used for OOC inquiries and discussion.]

Welcome, comrades and comradettes, to AMW!

Over a year ago, several players -initially myself and Quinntonia at the heart of it- came to a realisation, fueled by a war pitting out nations against one another, that the situation in mainstream role-play on Nation States was getting a little out of hand. With billions of people, my North Korea type state had countless millions of artillery tubes aligned against the enemy, who themselves were able to blacken skies with unmanageable numbers of warplanes. Around the world sailed super dreadnoughts that could only be of utility in a giant planet meant to house hundred of billions of people... a planet that would be so massive as to become a gas giant or a burning star, and certainly not one on which our physical world could exist.

Suspension of disbelief no longer cut it, and we decided to throw ourselves on the mercy of reality.

A Modern World is exactly that. It is earth circa 2005 and it is peopled by six and a half billion human beings.

The following post shall explain more, and invite you to join in. There is a listing of nations involved and territories claimed, which can be found a couple of posts further down this page.

What we are

AMW is an insular RP group based on the planet earth.

Geography is based on earth. This is for several reasons: first, those of us who may not be cartographers have access to good, detailed, useful maps with which to support realistic role-play; second, this makes sure of realistic resource distribution and forces careful consideration in trade, diplomacy, and war.

Populations are based on earth's. This is in order that they be realistic and easily managed, people have more control over the type of nation they wish to play, and I can't send quarter of a billion bayonet weilding fanatics down your throat.

Nations are not always based on earth's! My nation is called Sul Joson in its own literature, and the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol internationally. It happens to cover most of North Korea and, since a war, half of South Korea. The DPRK (North Korea) never existed in AMW, but the ROK (South Korea) did, and does. By explaining this I mean to make clear our flexibility.

Tanzania does not exist: it is part of the United African Republic of Lusaka. France does exist, and is played, by Nova Gaul, as a restored autocratic monarchy. Players may pick a real-life nation and take it off on their own course, or they may import their invented NS nation to the AMW environment: I did, Spyr did, and Quinntonia sort of did both, importing Quinntonia to AMW but placing it over and combining it with the USA, creating the USQ, a Christian Theocracy with American technology and some other commonality. Many of us claim a RL (real life) nation as our territory, some of us claim more than one, and others claim incomplete parts of one or of more than one.

In that respect, almost anything goes, though some NPC spots have history in AMW that may have to be taken into account. You can pretty well make-up your own history, in AMW, so long as you abide by real-life geography and population size. Within that size you can do what you like with demographics: We have several million Celts in India, a unique Mongol-like (though ethnic Slav) horde in Eastern Europe by the name of Glakatahn, and the primary North American power is a theocracy with ninety-odd percent devout Christian population.

There is also one exception to the geographic norm, that being the Lyong Peninsula, which is just north of Korea. It does not exist in reality, but since we agreed that it was sufficently well developed in RP and closely bound to some of the founding members, it was included in our world. This is just meant to show that we are flexible if you are a very good role-player who would join if only.... There is at least scope for negotiation.

Technology and other specifics

Part of what made us start AMW and what made me start a new thread that I hope will refresh us all and make things clear is the blurry line between modern technology and post-modern, or theoretical technology in most of Nation States role play.

We had problems in the past when some of our 'old guard' clashed with new arrivals, decent role-players in their own right, who perhaps were of the NS tradition rather than that of AMW specifically.

Nations in AMW have realistic capabilities. My nation enroles a good 4% of its population in the military, and, as a result, that military lost its air support, its logistics broke down, and it was halted in the middle of an operation in the War for Korean Reunification. Hindustan (Lunatic Retard Robots) has over three hundred million people in India and Pakistan, but its navy relies in no small part on hand-me-downs from the (British) Royal Navy, because it has not the wealth to sustain large-scale cutting-edge technologies and production facilities.

We had a major re-working when we thought about this after Spain developed and mass produced the best battle tank in the world and China built it an entire blue water navy in a single year. This was the conflict between old and new players that I mentioned, and is something we wish to avoid in future.

AMW-RL-NS. There are no Super Dreadnoughts in AMW. They don't fit on earth. There are modernised battleships, but they do not weigh a million tons.

Dra-pol has superguns. These are like those designed by Canadian Gerald Bull and almost built in Iraq, but they are really plot devices and character quirks, you might say. They may function as part of a story, but don't really represent a problem to other players in competative terms. Plus, they're falling apart!

Quinntonia flies F/A-22 fighters, getting them into service a couple of years ahead of the RL USA, but this is explained by boosted military spending thanks to such things as the war with Dra-pol. It didn't mean that he went ahead and built a Mach 5 sub-orbital LIDAR-equipped version instead.

Work with modern systems and technologies to design your own weapons, or use weapons that exist in reality. Note: if you do use real-life weapons, try to explain how you got hold of them (Quinntonia produces the Abrams battle tank, so if you want to use it, be sure it makes sense that Quinntonia would let you have it!). If you make-up your own, be sure that it makes sense for your nation to be able to support a domestic arms industry of the apropriate advancement- some of us RP poor nations to reflect the fact that the world market screws a lot of people, or that some of us have rejected it and been isolated.

AMW is just for everyone wanting to be part of a balanced world with realistic technologies and struggles

Who-we-are

Account [Nation]
-Real-world geographic reference
Population

Nation indicates 'home thread' linked

Abream [New Switzerland]
-Switzerland, Liechtenstein
7.5 million

African Commonwealth [The African Commonwealth]
-Most of DR Congo, Northern R Congo, Rwanda, Burundi, part of Tanzania
75 million

AMW China [China]
-PR China, RO China, Hong Kong SAR
1.336 billion

Andaman and Nicobar [The Incorporated States of Andaman and Nicobar]
-Andaman Islands, Nicobar Islands
400 thousand

Beth Gellert [The Indian Soviet Commonwealth]
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh, Jharkhand, West Bengal
411.8 million

Dai Nippon Koku [Japan]
-Japan
127.4 million

Depkazia [Depkazia]
-Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan
44.1 million

Dra-pol [Dra-pol/Sul-Joson]
-Most of North Korea, northern South Korea
34 million

Franberry [The Southern Confederacy]
-Most of Argentina, Chile, Paraguay
50-60 million?

Gurguvungunit [Australasia]
-Australia, Uruguay, part of Argentina, part of Brazil
50+ million?

Iansisle [Mannicagua]
-Nicaragua
5.46 million

Lunatic Retard Robots [Indian National Union, Bihar, Sikkim, North Hindustan, North Pakistan, Kashmir, Rajasthan]
-Northern and western India as far east as Sikkim, Pakistan
? million

Lusaka [United African Republic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463780)]
-Most of Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, part of DR Congo
61 million

Moorington [Austria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447224)]
-Austria
8.2 million

Neo-Anarchos [The Federal Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes of Neo-Anarchos]
-Venezuela, Southern Guyana, Colombia, Suriname, Eduador
83 million

Quinntonia [Theocratic Republic of the United States of Quinntonia]
-USA, Mexico
406 million

Quinntonian Dra-pol [Theocratic Protectorate of Quinntonian Dra-pol]
-Hamhung and Hungnam
6 million

Roycelandia [The Empire of Roycelandia]
-Cuba, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Hispaniola, St Kitts and Nevis, Northern Guyana, Attu and Kiska Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda, Western Gabon, Goa, French Polynesia
135 million

Space Union [Germany]
-Germany
82.4 million

Spizania [Kingdom of Morocco]
-Morocco
33.25 million

The Gupta Dynasty [The Ottoman Empire]
-Most of Turkey
? million

The Macabees [The Kingdom of Spain]
-Spain, including autonomous cities and communities, Gibraltar, Portugal
50.9 million

United Arab Republic [United Arab Republic]
-Syria
18.5 million

United Elias [The Federal Dictatorship of United Elias]
-Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Belize, Seychelles
140 million

USSNA [The South African Federation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11346482#post11346482)]
-South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland
47.35 million

Walmington on sea [Walmington (or Britain)]
-UK, Ireland, New Zealand
68.75 million

Yugo Slavia [The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463318)]
-Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, Slovenia
30.8 million

Yugo Slavia [The Lavragerian Republic]
-Northeastern Belarus
3.2 million

Real-World Territories In-Use

Real-World Territory [Account]
-AMW Nation
Note

Andaman and Nicobar Islands [Andaman and Nicobar]
-The Incorporated States of Andaman and Nicobar

Argentina [Franberry, Gurguvungunit]
-The Southern Confederacy, Australasia

Attu and Kisaka Islands [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Australia [Gurguvungunit]
-Australasia

Austria [Moorington]
-Austria

Bahamas, The [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Belarus [Yugo Slavia, the Estenlands]
-The Lavragerian Republic, the Estenlandic/Russian Empire?

Belize [United Elias]
-United Elias

Bosnia and Herzegovina [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Brazil [Gurguvungunit]
-Australasia
Southern part of coast only, inclusive of Porto Alegre, Sao Paulo, et cetera

Bulgaria [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Cape Verde [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

China [AMW China]
-The People's Republic of China

Colombia [Neo-Anarchos]
-Neo-Anarchos

Congo, DR of [African Commonwealth, Lusaka]
-The African Commonwealth, The United African Republic

Congo, R of [African Commonwealth]
-The African Commonwealth
Northern areas only, some territory remains unused

Croatia [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Cuba [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Dominican Republic, The [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Ecuador [Neo-Anarchos]
-Neo-Anarchos

Estonia [the Estenlands]
-The Estenlandic/Russian Empire?

France [Nova Gaul]
-The Kingdom of France

French Guiana [Nova Gaul]
-New Provence, the Kingdom of France

French Polynesia [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Germany [Space Union]
-Germany

Guyana [Neo-Anarchos and Roycelandia]
-Neo-Anarchos, Roycelandia
Southern 2/3 in N-A federation, northern 1/3 in R-Empire

Haiti [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Hong Kong [AMW China]
-The People's Republic of China

India [Beth Gellert, Lunatic Retard Robots, Roycelandia]
-Indian Soviet Commonwealth, Indian National Union, North Hindustan, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Bihar, Sikkim, Roycelandian Goa
Assam, Meghalaya, Arunchal Pradesh, Nagaland, Manipur, Mizoram, Tirpura, and Pondicherry (city) remain unclaimed

Ireland [Walmington on Sea]
-Walmington (or Britain)

Jamaica [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Kyrgyzstan [Depkazia]
-Depkazia

Latvia [the Estenlands]
-The Estenlandic/Russian Empire?

Lesotho [USSNA]
-The South African Federation

Liechtenstein [Abream]
-New Switzerland

Lithuania [the Estenlands]
-The Estenlandic/Russian Empire?

Macedonia [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Morocco [Spzania]
-The Kingdom of Morocco

New Zealand [Walmington on Sea]
-Walmington (or Britain)

Nicaragua [Iansisle]
-Mannicagua

Pakistan [Lunatic Retard Robots]
-Indian National Union, North Pakistan

Saint Kitts and Nevis [Roycelandia]
-The Empire of Roycelandia

Serbia [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Slovenia [Yugo Slavia]
-The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

South Africa [USSNA]
-The South African Federation

Spain [The Macabees]
-The Kingdom of Spain

Sri Lanka [Beth Gellert]
-The Indian Soviet Commonwealth

Suriname [Neo-Anarchos]
-Neo-Anarchos

Swaziland [USSNA]
-The South African Federation

Switzerland [Abream]
-New Switzerland

Syria [United Arab Republic]
-The United Arab Republic

Taiwan [AMW China]
-China

Tajikistan [Depkazia]
-Depkazia

Tanzania [Lusaka, African Commonwealth]
-The United African Republic, The African Commonwealth

Turkmenistan [Depkazia]
-Depkazia

UK [Walmington on Sea]
-Walmington (or Britain)

USA [Quinntonia]
-United States of Quinntonia

Uruguay [Gurguvungunit]
-Australasia

Uzbekistan [Depkazia]
-Depkazia

Venezuela [Neo-Anarchos]
-Neo-Anarchos

Zambia [Lusaka]
-The United African Republic

[Work continues, entries thus far do not represent full extent of claims]

How we appear

Here may be found maps of AMW. As yet the work is incomplete.

Europe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/europe.jpg)

Asia (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/map.jpg)

Africa (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/outline_africa.jpg)

South America (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/south-america.jpg)

North America (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/namerica.jpg)

Coming soon-

Oceania

We also have offsite forums as well.

Nifty! So, how does one join this interesting realm? Are members expected to refrain from traditional NS RPing? And finally, is Scandinavia claimed, or am I allowed to establish Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Greenland, and Iceland as the Five Lands?

((If you've forgotten, I am Tias! I just cannot log-on with "African Commonwealth" or "Neo-Anarchos" for some reason.))


Looks very, very good. I like how a more clearly deliniated form of the "unwritten rules" are now, well, written :)

Since we have a possible applicant, I might add how joining works:

Pennterra>>

I'm glad you're interested! You will need to present a population count - this is IMHO done most efficiently by taking the world factbook population of each RL country you occupy and adding them together. This does of course become a bit harder if you only occupy parts or regions of a nation(say, if you occupy Denmark but not the isles of Bornholm and Laesoe where a sizable part of the population lives); but we're here to help you! We have done it a lot, after all. Also, if our alternate history means that population-depleting events such as wars or disasters haven't affected your nation as hard, population may be higher than it is realistically. Again, ask if you're in doubt.

You will also need a description of your nation, including government and any serious deviations from real life in the nations management of resources(For example, if you played America and had had a planned communist economy since 1900, the country would look drastically different today). If there are serious changes in culture, such as if you played your Scandinavia as a place where 90% of the population are believing buddhists! You may be required to provide an explanation for such change from RL, as well.

When that is done, you'll need to provide a sample of your roleplaying ability - you can write something up, but if you can provide a sample from another roleplay on Nationstates you consider good, that is totally satisfactory!

That done, you need approval from two "veteran" members, but if the above are in order that won't be a problem :)

Nifty! So, how does one join this interesting realm? Are members expected to refrain from traditional NS RPing? And finally, is Scandinavia claimed, or am I allowed to establish Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Greenland, and Iceland as the Five Lands?

No, some of us RP in traditional NS RPing as well, it's just RPing as a modern nation in traditional NS is incredibly frustrating.

I don't think Scadinavia is claimed.

BTW after doing a search, I'll be happy to approve your RPing.

I have an idea that E20 used. It was for each goverment to have a "news stand" topic in which you conducted your diplomacy and more local issues. You could get to all of them from the main post, were all of the nations and who controled them were liste, by a means of a hyperlink. Sound good? Also we should put a list of people who have applied to join, meaning Abream (I guess) and Pennterra.
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Excellent, the new thread's up! Looks a lot more concise than the previous one, good job.

If its still free, I would like to claim Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

My nation will be a centrist, benign dictatorship, focusing on economic growth. It hopes to use its growing industrial base (and its modernising military) to become a major centre of economic growth, after seveal centuries of a peasant farming based economy.. The nation has a growing economy, and the only major deviation from real life is that it wasn't used as a WMD playground by the Soviets, much to its benefit. Kyrgyzstan is an annexed region, in which there have been some uprisings, although it is largely peaceful.

Population:20,332,125

History: Most of the population are of Mongolian, instead of south Asian, descent, the area became a stable remnant of the Mongolian empire after the larger part of that empire collapsed. The major religion is Buddhism.

Here is a sample of my roleplaying - I am Greater Egypt:

http://s12.invisionfree.com/Global_Anarchy_Earth/index.php?showtopic=48

(Lavrageria, here. I thought it best to make a new account, since Lavrageria is pretty well under the Tsar's control, now, and it seems pointless to keep using the name when I'm not RPing as Lavrageria anymore.)


Just a warning to newly interested people, such as Lankuria, this thread is still under construction, and the list of claimed territories is actually quite long, Dra-pol just hasn't finished it, yet! Kazakhstan is unlikely to be claimable, since it was annexed by Russia and now the Estenlands' Tsar Wingert (I know how that feels, since he also took most of Belarus (Lavrageria) by force!) pretty well rules there. Some players are willing to give-up territory to newcomers, though, so hope is not lost for it, but if it were possible it would come with some baggage, as they say.

I'd advise anyone interested to hold-off making bids as such right now, until the list is updated, though of course I wouldn't discourage anyone from coming along to express interest.

Thanks for the heads up! I'll just post here to show that I'm interested.

Sorry Lankuria, I've RPed the annexation of Kazakhstan quite in depth, and it'd be unrealistic for a country I've RPed as fully assimilated to suddenly break off. But most of the former Soviet Republics in the south are still open.

On the old thread Uzbekistan was claimed but I don't think anyone agreed to it - is that claim still valid?

As the southern nations are pretty small, could I claim more than one of them?

And finally, Is mongolia free? If so, I would consider that as well.

Someone esle has all the nations under control. Try out the Austrian Factbook (It is in my sig as a linky).

That's not true, sorry!

South Korea is sort of open, with strings attached.
Hong Kong I expect is part of AMW China, again.
Haiti and the Dominican Republic are part of Roycelandia's home islands!

There's lots to be seen, it won't be long before this thread is update, don't panic.

Okay, AMW has been running for a long time. Is this a new one or just a search for new members? Regardless, I'd be interested in the Netherlands.

Yeah, on the old thread lots of people claimed lots of things but to date only a few of those have actually participated regularly.

Its a shame, really. There were some excellent RPers who showed interest but apparently couldn't find a way to fit in...

*Tries to lure Kashu back*

I'm not aware of Uzbekistan being presently RPd.

Personally, I'd like to see people take up West African nations, but then again we can't have everything, and who can blame you for not wanting to inherit a desperately poor backwater that thinks Mauritania is a country to watch out for.

I've actually got a list of every AMW nation and its land holdings somewhere...

I'm confused. Should I wait, or should I get a provisional claim in now? And in which thread should I stake my claim?

I'm planning on RPing as Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan as a united country. Where do I role-play once I have the all clear. On International incidents? Or on your own boards?

Okay you can and ask to join on this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859) thread...


Does the above ring a bell, at all? If not follow the linky, then post pretty much what you did and wait for some yes's. When they are to slow just post a new topic, your nation, then do something, like elections or a terriost up-rising that you quell. Something interesting like that.

Thanks!

Might I offer the following list of nations (and, of vital importance, regions) lacking an RPer:

Uruguay
Ecuador (Neo-Anarchos?)
Paraguay
Nicaragua
Panama
Costa Rica
Honduras
El Salvador
Liberia
Mauritania
Mali
Senegal
Guniea-Bissau
Gambia
Guinea
Sierra-Leone
Cote D'Ivoire
Ghana
Burkina Faso
Togo
Benin
Cameroon
Equatorial Guinea
Chad
Gabon (under foreign occupation)*G
Namibia
Botswana
South Africa (check with Sub-Saharan Africa)
Zimbabwe*Z
Uganda (?)
Ethiopia
Eritrea (under foreign occupation)*E
Yemen*Y
Oman*O
Iran
Georgia
Armenia
Turkmenistan
Azerbaijan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Afghanistan
Mongolia (?)
Bhutan
Nepal*N
Bangladesh*B
The Former Marimaia*M
Vietnam
Laos (?)
Peninsular Malaya
Singapore
Papua New Guinea
New Zealand
Germany
Poland
Portugal
Republic Of Ireland
Romania
The Former Czechoslovakia
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Denmark
The Netherlands
Belgium
Timor

Indian Provinces of: Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir, Delhi, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland

Pakistani Provinces of: Islamabad Capital Territory, Azad Kashmir, Northwest Frontier Province, Federally Administered Tribal Areas, Northern Areas (possible conflict with Indian J&K?)

*G: While I'm not familiar with what exactly the terms of Gabon's occupation are, I believe its currently in Roycelandian hands, although The African Commonwealth/Tiastan has plans for it.

*Z: While technically NPC, Zimbabwe is in the process of being invaded by Lusaka, and is being RPed by The Crooked Beat in the interim. Anyone is welcome to jump in and RP Zimbabwe, but just a heads up.

*E: While Eritrea isn't under foreign occupation per se, Hindustan has all but deposed the sitting government and impounded or destroyed its airforce, and runs what little in the way of foreign affairs Eritrea is concerned with. Anyone is welcome to jump in and RP Eritrea, but just a heads up as to the present state of affairs there.

*Y & O: While they haven't been RPed in a while, Oman and Yemen were RPed by Al-Ahzad. He disappeared suddenly and without warning, so what to do about it is still up in the air.

*N: In a similar state as Yemen and Oman. Details on request.

*B: Somebody supposedly claimed Bangladesh, but they've never done much with it. We'll sort this out on a case-by-case basis, I suppose.

*M: Used to be the nation of Marimaia, so you'd have to deal with that bit of history if you want to set up there.

Other AMW RPing opportunities:

Government in Exile
Rebel/other non-soveriegn faction
Free City
Other this and that?

And Moorington, TURKEY IS NOT OPEN. I am the Ottomans, who rule Turkey, so please check your facts next time.

Hey, hey, calm down. There's not much point trying to tell new people what is and isn't open if you're not sure yourself. Wait. AMW is more than a year old, we're not going to fill it up in thirty six hours or something. There's not much point trying, Moorington, though I'm sure we appreciate your efforts! DR Congo is most of African Commonwealth, part of R Congo is also in AC. Yugoslavia is Lavrageria/Yugo Slavia, Croatia, well, it's part of Yugo Slavia. Haiti and the Dominican Republic are part of Roycelandia (the island they constitute is called Hispaniola). And LRR, Uganda is part of Roycelandian East Africa. It goes on. Needless to say, everybody just needs to hold off until this is done, we're not really in a position to receive new claims until this thread is sorted.

And no being too quick to jump on the defensive! A mistake's a mistake, we don't need any tension. Everybody have a cuppa. Right, let's see where we are...

Okay, I think that the easiest way to do this may be to hold off on new applications for a moment and work continent by continent until we've covered every existing AMW nation and decided about past applicants who went inactive.

I don't relish dealing with Asia, so let's start with the Americans (we'll do them both at once, or people will try to tell me that Central America is a continent or that it's part of South America, and I'll swear at them :) ).

*Canada is Hudecia, that's all agreed, eh? (sorry)

*The USA is Quinntonia

*Roycelandia is all of the Caribbean islands: Does this include Puerto Rico and other British, American, French, and other posessions, or just the RL independent nations?

*Neo-Anarchos is Suriname, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and Guyana or at least half of it?

*Belize is belonged to United Elias.

*I know that there were approaches on other parts of Central America, but I don't think that they have endured?

*Argentina/Tord: Did this last?

Right, chaps, help me out with the Americas, ignore everything else for a minute!

I've posted with interest on the other thread. I must admit some confusion as to which thread was the proper one, so here's a link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9970630&postcount=1213)

*Roycelandia is all of the Caribbean islands: Does this include Puerto Rico and other British, American, French, and other posessions, or just the RL independent nations?

It's probably easier to make the Roycelandian Home Islands everything in the Caribbean except Puerto Rico, unless anyone has any major objections?

Incidentally, we also acquired French Polynesia from France, too...

May I suggest Malaya or The Philippines as a potential location for a new AMW member? There's a lot of potential there...

C'mon Baltic governments-in-exile! Impotent fist-shaking and endless character RPs of locals running through the woods of northeastern Europe, trying to avoid saturation bombing while taking potshots at Tsarists!

Moorington>> Democratic Republic of Congo is the heartland of the African Commonwealth, played by myself. The Commonwealth also encompasses a large part of the Republic of Congo, but the rest of the RoC is up for grabs; although it is not that attactive - it's a small, shot-up place between the large militarist Commonwealth and the war-torn Gabonaise Republic.

LLR / All >> Gabon ended up controlled by United Elias and Roycelandian military governors in the west, and Lusakan and Commonwealth troops in the east. However, United Elias withdraw recently, turning all of Western Gabon into a Roycelandian colony/protectorate.

Dra-pol>> Guyana used to be a Roycelandian colony, but the insurrection and revolution that gave birth to Neo-Anarchos came close to starting a civil war - The anarchists eventually agreed with Roycelandia to divide the nation, with the northernmost, seaside quarter of the nation being a Royc. Protectorate, and the remaining 3/4s being part of Neo-Anarchos.

C'mon Baltic governments-in-exile! Impotent fist-shaking and endless character RPs of locals running through the woods of northeastern Europe, trying to avoid saturation bombing while taking potshots at Tsarists!

The Baltic states have governments-in-exile? Hmm... The Scandinavian republic of Pennterra would be happy to host them! If we happen to have any claims on their territory... Well... They'd be well treated...

Anyway, just feel free to speak up when recruiting begins. Of course, that could take a while.

Whatever happened to that guy who wanted to RP a Mexican Empire, anyway? He was fairly detailed and such at first...Kordo, was it?

Oh I am looking for criticsm and hate posts, so tell me how the Austrian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447224) is....

Slight nitpick that you could maybe change in the next update:

NA is known by a lot of names, such as The Antifascist Communes of Neo-Anarchos, The Free Peoples of Neo.. and in daily life, usually just Anarchos.

However, it's conventional long form is actually The Federal Anarcho-Syndicalist Communes of Neo-Anarchos

I'm not sure if this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/A_Modern_World#List_of_AMW_Component_Nations) helps at all, since its a bit out of date...

So, I was telegrammed by Armandian Cheese and he told me Quint was trying to contact me, so I took my chances and contacted Quint because he was having troubles accessing my nation, which I don't doubt since a lot of nations have had problems with it in the past month. I think we both see interest in a resurgent Spanish players and I think we have both decided to start this one from scratch. Admittently, in retrospect and with just a bit more maturity the history I painted for Spain was rather iffy to say the least - indeed, a three day revolution spearheaded by a peasant with more than modern tanks is more than iffy. Although Quint, in no circumstance has [his approval of this post should not translate to approval of the new history] said yes to the history within itself, I think we're all interested in a new Spain - which is why I present you with it. Because of my rather megalomaniac ego which I have painted for my NS nation throughout the two and a half years here on NS I can't resist from doing the same on A Modern World, so bear with me.

Nonetheless, this is just a preliminary and will take some revision pending on whoever wishes to cooperate with me and give me a bit of insight on their respective nation's history when regarding the Western Mediterranean area, and especially North-West Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. Well, here it goes:


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The history of Spain remains the same, I'm not good enough to alter it professionally, so I wont - actually, it remains the same until Operation Galaxia, which was desinged to take place 17 November, 1978 [the real operation took place Febuary 23, 1981]. Historically, Lt. Colonel of the Guardia Civil [highest rank] Antonio Tejero, Captain Ynestrillas of the national armed police and another colonel who's name I couldn't find anywhere and I'll just have to name myself [let's set it at Sergio Vejero] were set to launch a coup d'etat in Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla and Valencia; the first two were arrested some days later - two present colonels at the meetings at the Cafe Galaxia [which Wikipedia incorrectly states is no longer called that, when in fact it is - I've actually had some good breakfast there on various occasions] snitched them. The other, I would have to assume, had some success because Madrid was under internal siege for two days and the entire parliament under the heat of several guns, while tanks were already on their way towards Valencia. It failed, partly because of the two snitches, and because the rest of the army leadership failed to rise because most likely they were scared because they weren't sure of the outcome - natural.

This alternate history would assume that the two snitches in fact didn't tell the national government and the coup, for the sake of RP codenamed Operation Francisco [after the name sake of Francisco Franco] was launched 23 Febuary, 1981 to, as historically promoted, to stop the presidential elections. So, Antonio Tejero raids the Congreso de Disputados [Congress of Deputies], in the midst of their votes for Leopoldo Sotelo, destined to replace Adolfo Suarez. At the same time General Milans del Bosch, just like in history, orders his armour towards Valencia.

This is where the historical differences begin to take place to give the success of the golpe a bit more credibility - the names of the commanders are completely ficticious. General Alejandro Versa orders his 13th Infantry Brigade from the outskirts of Sevilla into Sevilla and his 14th to Huelva. All the while the PNV, already accused of cooperating with ETA, proves these rumours true [not saying that in real life they do cooperate, although there are still accusations] and launches a general offensive against the large concentration of military personnel in the Basque Country, setting off a domino effect leading to a small popular revolt in Barcelona as well thus inspiring the same level of disunity within the administration as in 1936. Events in Madrid have Sotelo and Suarez both executed by nonfictional general Saenz de Santa-Maria, who had a history of executions in 23-F and King Juan Carlos II flees like his grandfather, Alfonso XIII - he flees to France, which I suspect was ruled by Louis XX at this time . The history of this coup will be put more in detail in a threat that I will describe below.

So, with that Tejero is killed 'accidently' in a plane crash as he is flying from Madrid to Valencia to oversee del Bosch's aquisition of said city. This holds some unions with the coup of '36 and the subsequent 'accidental' deaths of the two men who were originally supposed to hold leadership, allowing Franco's rise to power. With the same idea, Tejero is really assassinated by Milan del Bosch granting del Bosch dictatorship over Spain. And for the next eight years del Bosch remains dictator of Spain, reforming the budget from the largely progressive socialist ideals to a more military and brunt ideal, meaning although the military of Spain will progress to a level where it won't import entire armaments from the United States and instead begin their own products, the economy does suffer a bit for those eight years. However, 11 June, 1990, del Bosch dies and his successor is a popular rebel, although largely monarchist, returning Juan Carlos II to reign and true to his character, Juan Carlos II calls for general elections, returning Spain to a constitutional monarchy - a man named Carlos Ferrero, member of the [i]Partido Popular, and largely fascist in nature, although a bit moderate, is elected to power by a people who fear a third coup in the face of another socialist ridden election and the militaristic mindset of del Bosch is followed, although regulated, which would account for the rise in Spain's economy from the state of 3rd world to being on the verge of entering the G8, although the economy wouldn't be that powerful - I would be willing to role play as the 12th or 13th most powerful economy [as opposed to the 9th], although my modern Spain, still led by the Partido Popular, will also be slightly progressive.

Ferrero remains president for eight years until '99, where he is replaced by a moderate socialist of the Partido Socialista Obrero Espanol [PSOE] until '04, where he is replaced by Dacio Gernan from '05 to present [he would be on the second year of his term when the RP starts, or '06] and he is partido popular, as was Ferrero. So, Spain doesn't develope as well as it should have economically, but militarilly it's near independent with huge manufacturing sectors in Bilbao churning out mostly home developed products, which like last time are regulated ooc'ly to keep with the strict 2005 technological mindset. This allows me room to operate with my own technology without exagerating the power of Spain by too much. How does it sound?

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The first roleplay would begin with Operation Francisco and would detail the history of what would be known as the Segunda Guerra Civil in Spain, or the Second Spanish Civil War, which lasts from 23 Febuary, 1981 to 14 May, 1982. So, we would have to decide how you guys will role play in the thread since del Bosch, according to the history comes out victorious.

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Well, there it is. And the Western Sahara, since it was abandoned in 1975 by Spain, remains abandoned.

OOC: Wow Mac, that basically addresses most of my concerns last time about a 17 yr old kid with uber-tanks. Welcome back. BTW I'm _Taiwan taking over the role of China.

Could you please explain more about your own technology?

While I have no doubt that a RL Euro nation such as Spain or France could find the funds to develop say, a Raptor equivalent, I'm a bit more doubtful as to whether they could afford the whole shebangs i.e GPS, stealth destroyers, nuclear submarines.

Well, there it is. And the Western Sahara, since it was abandoned in 1975 by Spain, remains abandoned.

The interesting thing is that Western Sahara is so desolate even Roycelandia can't be bothered colonising it, annexing it, or even making a half-assed claim on it, which is saying something...

You're not trying either, or we'll pop a cap in your posterior!

*Takes off African Commonwealth cap*

Could you please explain more about your own technology?

While I have no doubt that a RL Euro nation such as Spain or France could find the funds to develop say, a Raptor equivalent, I'm a bit more doubtful as to whether they could afford the whole shebangs i.e GPS, stealth destroyers, nuclear submarines.

Well, the Lu-45 is the equivalent to the Raptor, especially since I changed the wings from the Switchblade design to just enhanced delta wings [with the wing stalls at the root of the wing], and newer air to air missiles [which are iffy, but the BVRAAMs are being designed within the United States airforce, but I can drop the range on my AAMs if necessary].

Regardless, the idea would be the same as last time. Sure, I have a lot of up to date technology but in terms of numbers it's substantially low. So, let us review the Spanish military of 2005 - I'll put up a rustic order of battle now.

Army:
68,000 Infantry [nine infantry divisions]
5000 Legionarios [El Tercio - Ceuta and Melilla; parts]
600 main battle tanks [4 divisions] - 2000 APC/IFVs
800 light tanks [my 'tank destroyer']
2000 artillery guns [Corbulos - a basic rip off the French Cesare]

Navy:
1 Carrier [instead of the Principe de Asturias, a larger carrier - the Invincible]
38 Destroyers [the Illium]
14 ADVs [my air defense vessel]
12 Cruisers [I still have to come out with stats for it]
60-70 fast attack craft; patrol boats; torpedo boats [the Azores class]
26 Valencia class SSK [diesel/electric submarines]
2 Cartagena class SSN [nuclear propulsion]

Airforce:
300 Lu-45s [ASF - equiv. F-22]
15 GLI-34s [the heavy bombers - equiv. B-2]
120 GLI-76s [MRF - equiv. F-35]
~70 AWACs

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Does that sound reasonable?

The interesting thing is that Western Sahara is so desolate even Roycelandia can't be bothered colonising it, annexing it, or even making a half-assed claim on it, which is saying something...

What happened to it? If nothing did, it's actually worth the minerals and low levels of petroleum it offers, especially for somebody that's forced to purchase petroleum off a potentially hostile Middle East...maybe I'll have to look into Russian natural gas and petroleum.

OOC: It looks very reasonable. Out of curiousity, could I perhaps see the stats on the ADV?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9142148&postcount=299

As for anything that says scramjet; it's been replaced, even in my regular NS nation, with standard rocket engine missiles.

EDIT: Can I get the link to the boards, please? Thanks.

LIDAR...where in real-life has LIDAR been used for detection of military targets? The only current applications of LIDAR I've found on the internet is for detection of aerosols and chemicals. There were no current long-range detection applications.

(Boards are here)

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?act=idx

LIDAR should have been put down as LADAR; I made a big mistake in most of my military applications and translated laser radar as LIDAR when more accurately it should have been LADAR - regardless, it has been around since 1962 [first article I have on it was written at that time] and admittenly, you first need the RADAR to even think about tracking with LIDAR or LADAR [since you need to know where the object is first].

Hello all, Jean aka Elkazor here. The old name is defunct for some reason, perhaps for absence or some such cause. Dont mean to hijack the thread in any way, but I figure this would be a pretty appropriate spot.

Over the past several weeks, with a clearer mind, I realize I made a perfect ass out of myself over the battleship debacle, the so called Cherbourg scandal. Rather than scale down my nations efforts, which indeed had become unrealisticly over-reaching , I had a tissy fit: it was I who acted the part of the child. Quinntonnia, Beth Gellert, and Lunatic Record Robots I slandered particularly, and I wish to apologize in full. We all have faux paus now and then.

Furthermore, even as I lay barricaded behind many projects, I find that I really missed AMW, for all my heretofore hairbrained slander. I would like, pending a quorum of approval of course, to return and resume France. I have here an agenda for what I would do to 'de-mode' my nation:

1- The Cherbourg project is cancelled. I will adjust the French Navy to realistic levels (namely light craft and support vessels, a respectable sub program, with a few mid-ranking cruisers and such...besides, I figure with all the land actions I pulled, the Navy would have had to grow slowly).

2- The Revolution currently underway will make the Kingdom take a few steps back...this means: Only Algeria will remain as a proper colony (although a fractured, weakened, and chaotic Algeria following the Revolution in France) along with Guiana and New Caledonia. I will even give up Ft. St. Louis in Ahzad, especially since Ahzad seems to have gone. The Bourbons will survive, but just barely. France will stay in the Holy Leauge, but guide it to simply maintain what the Kings already have. No more imperialism. I want to focus now on healing France...well, at least focusing on my own land more. I see a France, Kingdom still standing but shaken, co-operating more and more with the Western powers that will be the only salvation from bankruptcy and Revolution. A France struggling 100%, after the post-Revolutionary purges, simply to maintain Algeria and a millimeter in the sun. I do think this Algeria would be great ground for an RP.

3- Reduce Nuke armament to real-life French levels, no more or less, and maintain said level and capability forever. Treaties even could be signed to maintain this.

Thats just a few ideas. I am willing to accept others. BTW, I have some killer multimedia if allowed to resume, twill kock y'all's socks off. So there are my many sincere apologies. There is no RP group finer than AMW, something I learned to my chagrin. I ask to be given one more chance, moreover I promise not to ruin that oppurtunity by any means. Besides, someone needs to have a ancien regime for the other nations to sneer at.

Hahahaha, YES! Jean, my friend, I was worried you had left us for good. While I do believe that some of your concerns before were legitimate (that was the worst part, really, since I saw that both sides had reasonable concerns that really got out of hand) I am glad reason prevailed. By the way, for purposes of the Revolution, could you TG me what the Illuminati's goals are, roughly? I want to use them as a part of my Putin death saga (Yes, that's still going on...)

Mac, I'm glad to have you back as well. It appears that my meddling came to some use for once! :D Anyhow, are you *completely* wiping the slate clean? Because that leaves Wingert with a port city of Tarfaya (which Russia needs as a way station to Nigeria) that has no reason for its Russian posession.

Its alright, Elkazor. We all rather made fools of ourselves in that affair. Forgive and forget, eh?

You'll find that Hindustan has more or less imploded on itself. There are actually no plans in place to find a replacement navy (the current one won't last too much longer structurally), and the airforce has all of 142 advanced fighters. The army has even fewer tanks, and of older manufacture, than before.

The spirit of late has been one of reduction and reorganization, and I've taken it upon myself to stop treating Hindustan as though it needs to be a powerful or good country.


Macabees...well, I'm still rather deeply suspicious of Spain having indigenously-produced aircraft equivalent to the F-22 and B-2. I don't think anybody needs to be told how expensive both those development programs were, and as of now I think we can only be completely confident that China and the U.S. have the resources and funding to develop and build them in useful quantities.

Now something closer to the Eurofighter or Rafale is a different matter entirely. The chances that you'll face anything close to the F-22 in combat, given both Quinn and _Taiwan's reluctance to fight every war that pops up, is next to nothing, and BG only has 40 or so slightly comparable aircraft. The Eurofighter and Rafale can match or beat any airplane flying in all but the richest and most curry-favor countries (i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States in RL, BG only in AMW), but the gap between those two planes and the F-22 is huge, in terms of development cost and operating cost.

I mean, between ourselves, it took me and BG years upon years just to get to aircraft semi-self sufficiency, and it wasn't until 1980 that Hindustan flew an indigenous fighter. For BG, that was even longer I believe, but thanks to exponentially better funding theirs was much more modern when it took to the skies.


But I don't want to upset or force you into anything. Is there any way you could be persuaded to take the tech down a notch from maximum U.S.A. to perfectly respectable European?

Thats the goal. I mean, realistically at this point in time: the Kingdom of France is a zealous second rate power, which won as much through bluff as though deed by far. Not to mention the vast sums and manpower it takes to hold up Louis-Auguste (possibly the worlds richest man) and his sparkling Court...it is not cheap.

Subsequently, it is my goal to make her more representitive of that. A mid sized fleet of mirages, with a few squadrens of Rafales as the elite element. Likewise, and BTW I am going to use the wrap up of the Revolution to kinda install these changes IC, the French Army will take a hit. The Royal Army, the mercenary force which protects the monarchy, will probably expand a bit to 400,000 following the Revolution. The Gardes Francais, after the mutiny of several corps, will be purged, disbanded and reorganized to about 400,000...only half on duty at any given time, and half again of that being the debonair Royal Dauphin Corps. This means France will be able to hold the colonies, Algeria shakily and to the delight of good RP, and recoup for a decade. Louis I in Algeria will stay on the throne just like his cousin Louis-Auguste in France...but heroic efforts will be needed just to keep the ship of state above water. Time to get the IMF. Think huge cut backs and a foreign policy that focuses on: hold what we have, trade, and pray to God nothing else bad happens.

A brilliant Ministry will be appoint by the King to heal the Kingdom. Not to say too much yet, but he will focus on strengthening the monarchy at home by balancing budgets, repressing dissadents, and making the monarchy the overarching truth of France. To do this he will keep the Holy Leauge mellow although France will still support the alliance and maintain its membership. He will reach out to the West for trade and non-aggression pacts.

Suffice it say, after the upcoming suppression of this malignant Revolution, the Kingdom of France will want nothing but serenity and mild court intrigues for years to come.

I just realized that comment wasnt for me, but oh well. I have a wealth of stories incubated during my absence. Good to be back!

Actually, LRR the Rafale is in someways superior to the F-22, including in wing design, foward canard design and infra-red suppressing technology; infact, the Rafale and Raptor are pretty much up to par on technology, except maybe sensor technology, and that wouldn't be too expensive, as to compared to the airframe of the aircraft which is by far the most expensive part of the aircraft. Regardless, the cost is taken into mind which is why in the end run I do field a lot less aircraft than what the United States or China would field. Apart from that the Lu-45 does resemble the Mirage a lot, especially with the delta wings. Otherwise, a nation like Russia with a smaller military budget than the United States [although admittently it's growing beyond that expected budget of the USA] has a plane that rivals the Raptor, as well. Obviously, with this trend, expensive aircraft can't just be bought by the Americans. Furthermore, the Leopard II is actually an indegenous Spanish project, along with Germany, believe it or not, and the Leopard II is up to par with the Abrams, if not up to par with the Challenger II, although my Arca also uses a composite, although with a right wing France up north I don't doubt that the technology of cermet would be too hard to get and then improve. I really don't see my technology too upscale for a country with the ninth most powerful economy in the world, even if I'm role playing it with a slightly weaker economy because of the longer dictatorship - in fact, the military budget would be larger nonetheless.

Regardless, it was in 1980 that Hindustan flew an indegenous fighter; a nation with historically, a weak economy in the last thirty years, something Spain has been faring a bit better in. I don't think it's utterly hard for an economy like Spain to field a good ASF in 2005.

Perhaps I and Elkazor can work something out nontheless, joint Spanish-French projects which would justify the usage of some of the indegenous technology released.

What happened to it? If nothing did, it's actually worth the minerals and low levels of petroleum it offers, especially for somebody that's forced to purchase petroleum off a potentially hostile Middle East...maybe I'll have to look into Russian natural gas and petroleum.

The general feeling in Roycelandia is that we have quite enough empty desert in The Sudan without adding to it by annexing Western Sahara... which would also involve getting into a war with the Tuareg and the Bedouin, in a land with no strategic value whatsoever. You can see where this is going.

And Elkazor, I'm glad you're back!

However, what are we all going to do about the NS time during your absence? Pretend nothing happened? Minor adjustmentsn (ie, Roycelandia has more or less annexed French Polynesia and is overlooking the troops transiting through Algeria...)

Royce, good to see you again. I would imagine its not that tough of a leap to make: if France is having a Revolution, it would be hard for the Bourbons to pull the strings of their Algerian puppet, no? Consequently, shits going to happen. As for Polynesia, Louis XX basically gave it to you following your heroic actions in helping in the defense of New Caledonia.

As Ive said, once good King Louis manages to quash the rebellion, priorities will be to just save the Kingdom and the absolute monarchy. All Versailles will be able to do is hold onto Algeria very carefully, as even the French troops their would have low moral, assuming the posts about a hasty withdrawel from North Africa can be parhaps amended a bit. It will make for exciting events I think. And Im sure we can speak with UE about his SL, and work it in with the Revolution. Hey UE, how are you.

And Mac, good to see you again, Im sure well be talking more soon, as Juan is still married to Louis-Auguste's sister Antoinette.

Should France need any trade agreements, cultural exchanges, anime exports, etc., they'll find that the Japanese government is more than willing to jump at the chance.

Welcome back Elkazor, we didn't really interact much towards the end but we had some fun in Peru =)

Chiisu's still as sneaky as ever, even if he is Emperor of Japan now.

Whooohoo!

Dancing in the streets! The HL is back! And we are bad! And no one better mess with us!

I am so happy!

The HL got a lot less scary when I was the only one left in it. I mean, theoretically there is Doomingsland, but he is never around.

Oh, the partnership that led to the most successful conquerers in AMW. Even Dra-pol only got halfway to Seoul.

I am so happy to see that both Mac and Elkazor have decided to come back and scale down so that everyone can be more confortable with stuff. Now, I can go ahead with the planned coronation ceremony for the Tsar, with Louis there, my only son-in-law! This is great. Xmas will bring some sool threads, when I have time finally to write them.

You should read the End of All Things thread, I think. Yeah, that is the thread that Wingert and Putin had there final throw-down.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Whooohoo!

Oh, the partnership that led to the most successful conquerers in AMW. Even Dra-pol only got halfway to Seoul.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/parade1.jpg
Try telling that to these guys

;)

And Mac, good to see you again, Im sure well be talking more soon, as Juan is still married to Louis-Auguste's sister Antoinette.


I'm starting from scratch, however, we can redo the RP and instead marry Antoinette to Principe Felipe de Asturias - although first I would have to complete the retrospective roleplay [the coup in 1981].

Actually, LRR the Rafale is in someways superior to the F-22, including in wing design, foward canard design and infra-red suppressing technology; infact, the Rafale and Raptor are pretty much up to par on technology, except maybe sensor technology, and that wouldn't be too expensive, as to compared to the airframe of the aircraft which is by far the most expensive part of the aircraft. Regardless, the cost is taken into mind which is why in the end run I do field a lot less aircraft than what the United States or China would field. Apart from that the Lu-45 does resemble the Mirage a lot, especially with the delta wings. Otherwise, a nation like Russia with a smaller military budget than the United States [although admittently it's growing beyond that expected budget of the USA] has a plane that rivals the Raptor, as well. Obviously, with this trend, expensive aircraft can't just be bought by the Americans. Furthermore, the Leopard II is actually an indegenous Spanish project, along with Germany, believe it or not, and the Leopard II is up to par with the Abrams, if not up to par with the Challenger II, although my Arca also uses a composite, although with a right wing France up north I don't doubt that the technology of cermet would be too hard to get and then improve. I really don't see my technology too upscale for a country with the ninth most powerful economy in the world, even if I'm role playing it with a slightly weaker economy because of the longer dictatorship - in fact, the military budget would be larger nonetheless.

Regardless, it was in 1980 that Hindustan flew an indegenous fighter; a nation with historically, a weak economy in the last thirty years, something Spain has been faring a bit better in. I don't think it's utterly hard for an economy like Spain to field a good ASF in 2005.

Perhaps I and Elkazor can work something out nontheless, joint Spanish-French projects which would justify the usage of some of the indegenous technology released.


Ok.

That's a nice line there. AMW; The Finest.

Hi Estenlands. I'm Xiaguo, I will, most likely, hopefully be allowed to RP Germany. And maybe Denmark.. :)


I just want to say, I don't plan on even touching the (Holy League). I wonder if there's any European nations independent of the HL?

Mac, I'm still quite uncomfortable with the use of LADAR with a range of 300km, simply because there's nothing quite on the scale in RL.

The logical option to simply scale up power and cooling involves a lot of guesswork and the assumption that no undiscovered technical barriers will be encountered. It's too simplified and like saying "To build a Mach 20 fighter, one simply has to increase power and decrease drag".

Hi Estenlands. I'm Xiaguo, I will, most likely, hopefully be allowed to RP Germany. And maybe Denmark.. :)


I just want to say, I don't plan on even touching the (Holy League). I wonder if there's any European nations independent of the HL?

OOC: Hm...the HL I remember would touch you regardless. :)

Mac, I'm still quite uncomfortable with the use of LADAR with a range of 300km, simply because there's nothing quite on the scale in RL.

The logical option to simply scale up power and cooling involves a lot of guesswork and the assumption that no undiscovered technical barriers will be encountered. It's too simplified and like saying "To build a Mach 20 fighter, one simply has to increase power and decrease drag".


LADAR with 300 kilometer range? Maybe radar but I don't remember saying a 300km range ladar - regardless, it would really depend on the type of ladar - if you were to use a photonic transmitter with a CCD, both of which are old, old technology you could probably get 200km + ... I mean cameras on the nose of aircraft get 100km + and this would offer more range. Regardless, ladar within itself isn't really that great noting that you do need to catch your target on radar before you can target with ladar or lidar.

I am rather thrilled with the hun entering the game, actually. What the HL has done in AMW, even at its most flagrant (crushing nomands, seizing colonies, a bit of piracy, larceny, theft, gleeful and gratuitous imprisonment and repression of 'dissadents' for their own sakes and so forth) is a bad joke considering what Germany has pulled in the past. If this new Germany, especially with a name like Deutschland Konigreich, even hints at nationalism, I see the stock of the HL going up a hundredfold, because the HL is in a posistion to prevent the conditions which led to the World Wars.

I see Louis, Wingert, and Juan looking better in Western eyes now, quite similar to how Britain viewed Tsarist Russia during WWI---theyre superstitous, dumb, violent and backasswards but they keep le Bosch at bay.

This is quite serindipitous for me especially. Recovering from a revolution, the west will be obliged to prop the HL up or risk a seriously potent and capable (where as mes compatriots le Francaise are not) vacuum in the dead center of Europe. At the least, it will allow Versailles to use its secret weapon to protect the Lily Throne: grostesque and horribly formal layers of diplomacy, engaged in by keen and well bred French minds, that tie up and kill any negative initiatives in the bud. I do, after all, have a new Metternich lined up you know.

Looks like Continental Realism is alive and well again! Ill wrap up the Revolution this weekend, and well move on to smaller and better things, I promise!

From the small insignificant store of German lore I acquired through variuos projects, I think you can easily incorporate a communist goverment (if that is the way you are going) and Prussia (except for the Danzig Corridor). Just say in the last days of WWII a disgruntled minister (pick one) takes control in a coup and founds a communist germany.
As for Denmark just say that Otto Von Bismarck takes control of the whole jutnland area, yeah that is all..... Bad..... good?

By the way I am Austria, in this case the Greater Prussian Political State of Austria, and will hope you provide some assistance in the Sudentland Area.;)

Hi Estenlands. I'm Xiaguo, I will, most likely, hopefully be allowed to RP Germany. And maybe Denmark.. :)


I just want to say, I don't plan on even touching the (Holy League). I wonder if there's any European nations independent of the HL?


Well, there is Lavrageria, which is now Yugoslavia, and TBF, but no one has seen or heard from him in quite awhile.

So the total for European nations stand as:
Estenlands, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, 2/3 of Belarus (Called Tsarist Lavrageria), Moldava, Kazahkstan

Doomingsland: Italy?

TBF: UK?

Mac: Spain

Elkazor: France

I thnk this is something like it.

Tsar Wingert I.

With my restarted history I'm actually not in the Holy League, but would be a glad member should France offer it to Spain whenever it might want to [the first RP is going to deal with the war in 1981...then the second RP would be the introduction to modern Spain].

I think the first shouldn't be called an RP as such, because the idea of an RP involves not knowing the outcome and/or letting other people interact. The way you are talking about it, it would just be a background post, which is all good too.
I truly think, though, that you could have far, far more fun doing the revolution right now, Spain as it is, then all the shit hits the fan. That way, you can go right into an exciting RP, and everyone can get involved too.

Whaddya think?

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Well, I can do two threads at one time, but as per the historical role play I think that we could all get involved just as well. Perhaps tie Holy League [even if the HL didn't exist at that time we could have the future HL nations, which are still feudal and right wing, join] influece with the nationalist movement [much like the Axis put themselves behind the nationalists in '36], while the Progressives would put themselves behind the Progressive Spanish Republic of the time - it would be an obvious loss to the Progressive Bloc, so enough reason to give Hindustan a cassus belli to aligning itself with the Progressives. True, the outcome of the war would be known, but we don't have to make the 'middle part' of the role play known - we could do the battles as they go, et cetera and the nationalists don't have to win every battle to give the Progressives some credit - they're obviously not going to leave Spain without a fight and I wouldn't doubt some Progressive victorious, unlike the one victory enjoyed by the Republic in the Spanish Civil War ['36 - '39].

The present time role play, which I could possibly start first since it would take less effort [I don't have to research as much], would begin with a possible Franco-Spanish conference between the new French king [since Louis XX is dead] and Spanish King Juan Carlos II and that can devolve into a new deployment of Spanish troops and then the all important unification of the peninsula - I think I'm going to leave North Africa alone, and I think my owly attempted conquest is going to stick at Portugal for a while - all of which can be fitted into the same thread, and I'll give it some clever title. And of course, the HL can be a big part of all of this, especially since most likely the Estenlands would be present in the working out of militarization on the Franco-Spanish border [and the eventual invitation of Spain into the Holy League, I would suspect] and then clandestine plannings for the Spanish military venture into Portugal - the outcome of which is unknown for the time being.

'81 is the year before the Igovian Revolution, and a time when Hindustan was still warding-off bombing raids and border skirmishes from the Llewellyn Principality that, with the power of hindsight, really should have nuked Europe when it had the chance, given what they ended up doing to the Prince.
I assume that it is also before the rise of Neo-Anarchos.
It is before Dra-pol opens up, presumably.
Lusaka was just coming out of a victorious liberation war against Roycelandia.
Not sure what Spyr was doing, but it didn't have Tord wrapped-up nor Sujava even touched.
Wasn't much of a Prog Bloc to shout about in 1981!

Yeah, when it comes to Spain in 1981 Hindustan would be able to care next to not at all, since it was only at war with the most fearsome and monstrous state in the world, and wouldn't stop it for eight more years thanks to Sopworth's own nastiness.

For all people say about Hindustan being wimpy and whatnot, you've got to remember that for longer than it was safe or beneficial to do Hindustan was fighting Beth Gellert and to an extent doing a good job at it. I mean...we fought the freaking Bedgellens and the USSR, at the same time, and still had the gusto to launch a daring night raid on Victoria & Savlador, snubbing the West and the East in one go.

In fact, Hindustan was pretty much the progressive bloc, in 1981. So who does you thanks for the present state of affairs?

Just to let y'all know, my capstone thesis is coming due on the 7th and it needs A LOT more work. Sorry if I'm holding things up - I promise that Mannicagua will come into full swing on the 8th ;-). I should have waited until then to jump into AMW.

Peace, Ian

Just to let y'all know, my capstone thesis is coming due on the 7th and it needs A LOT more work. Sorry if I'm holding things up - I promise that Mannicagua will come into full swing on the 8th ;-). I should have waited until then to jump into AMW.

Peace, Ian


Yea, I have a similar problem. I have to complete a research paper on Chernobyl and the effect on Ukrainian agriculture by the 19th. I'll probably have something up before that, because I tend not to work too much on essays, but I'll be quasi-hampered in the coming days as I actually get into the mindset of excessive researching and then condensing it all into notes.

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LRR, I never regarded the Progressive Bloc as weak. The fact is that Spain in the civil war has a known outcome - the Nationalists win. Obviously, the PB isn't weak which is why I suggest that it would win some battles. Regardless, the point is more or less moot since the Progressive Bloc didn't really exist, or if it did it was weak at the time [in terms of the ability to propagate internationally], so I guess the Progressive Bloc won't be able to play a part in the civil war. I guess we'll be able to finalize the 'world players' in the civil war later on and I should just focus on the present time role play for now.

Yea, I have a similar problem. I have to complete a research paper on Chernobyl and the effect on Ukrainian agriculture by the 19th.

I would say "It would be better if it didn't happen," done. Yeah I know, funny Moorington, funny....

Anyhow any RP behind us I will just say that the Austrian Rep is still figting off the former dictatorship (for more info go to the history).

Oh, that could be fun, actually. I'd get to play the big bad USSR, nearing its collapse (the USSR fell earlier in AMW than in RL thanks to the Roiks and Wingert), and perhaps throw in a cameo by Putin or Mugabe somewhere. (And of course have some blatantly obvious foreshadowing involving Putin/Wingert)

"That Tsar's going to be the death of me." and the like. ;)

Well, there is Lavrageria, which is now Yugoslavia, and TBF, but no one has seen or heard from him in quite awhile.

So the total for European nations stand as:
Estenlands, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, 2/3 of Belarus (Called Tsarist Lavrageria), Moldava, Kazahkstan

Doomingsland: Italy?

TBF: UK?

Mac: Spain

Elkazor: France

I thnk this is something like it.

Tsar Wingert I.

*cough* Ottoman Turkey...Everyone always forgets about me...not that I mind, of course.;)

Well, since almost all of Turkey is in Asia, I wasn't going to include it in Europe, no matter which way the Ottomans may be looking most of the time :)

Anyway, AC, bear in mind that the USSR can't have fallen much earlier, since it was involved in arming the Sopworth Commonwealth in India during the 1980s, and is supposed to have been bogged-down in Afghanistan for a while, with the Hindustanis causing trouble.

Well, France is back.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10036811#post10036811

Theres some music, proper regal music, at the end. Please take a listen, I linked it and its free.

Ciao

The thread for Spain will be up this evening, es una promesa. I was trying to find a suitable way to introduce the new Spain and I think I finally found the way. In other words, I needed to create a storyline out of, and I think I have. So the thread shall be up this evening and I will post here with the link!

I think I will start updating the offsite forums as well.

I thought that I would post a link to Yugoslavia's AMW homepage on Jolt, so that maybe it could be linked by my [nation's] name on the membership rosta. I will use it [my homepage thread] to link to my other threads.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463318

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463780

I've started one, too! Lusaka needed explaining, and it has a long history that happened in part prior to AMW, so it seems to make sense that it be made available once more.

Where have all of teh threads that we started before X-Mas gone, I can't find any of them help!
Tsar Wingert teh Great.

Who-we-are.....

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I know this post will just probably make me go back into the disputed claims list but thanks.

I just want to thank my computer, my internet connection, Microsoft, and the Hollywood Film Actor Guild, oops... wait... that's another thing;) .

I've been a bit not-here, but there's over-due update, link to home-page type threads (for Lusaka and Yugoslavia, if anyone else has one they want linking on the front page, pipe-up), and BG's continental maps.

Busy bees, you are. I'll see if I can get a proper thread up for the Commonwealth and Neo-Anarchos.

On a related note, maybe we should create a more comprehensive history of AMW, so new players will know how for example the Vietnam war, world wars etc. affected our version of reality.

I've been a bit not-here, but there's over-due update, link to home-page type threads (for Lusaka and Yugoslavia, if anyone else has one they want linking on the front page, pipe-up), and BG's continental maps.

Austria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447224) Link!

Linked.

Hm..I notice China is missing from the front page.

I know, Asia hadn't really been tackled directly, so a lot was, and probably still is, missing from there. I've added China and Depkazia, now, and tried to update India a little bit.

I suppose I ought to try and edit the Asia map a bit, to get Lyong in there so no one gets confused by troop movements and political protests emanating from the middle of the East Sea ^_^.

Here are two maps... I've lost my beloved Photoshop in a computer crash, so they aren't particularly pretty. Here is the AMW Asia map (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8691/nsasialyong8oy.jpg), edited to include Lyong and mark out Sujava/the IRI, and a local map (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2748/eastasia1zw.jpg) showing Lyong as it properly fits into the surrounding area.

Ah, very nice!

Well, its not the old map, which was all prettied up by road/rail networks, airports, and other fun things... but it turns out that map had accidentally shifted Japan to a different angle on the axis of Hokkaido.

A few notes...

The city of Gochu was known to the Russians as Vladivostok, where they held a lease and naval base through their late imperial and Soviet eras.

The city of Mioka-ro marks the former location of North Yaman before annexation into Spyr, and Dai-ro marks the former location of Tord before similar events.

Okishima and Metaken essentially replace the 'Leander Rocks' of the RL Japan Sea, as the base of Lyong replaces the Russian Maritime Province.

The 'Great Revolutionary Sea' is what remains of the RL 'Sea of Japan' once Lyong has popped into place... due to the fact that it is basically encircled by Lyong, Korea, and associated islands, I'm not sure it ever would have born the title 'Sea of Japan' to begin with... perhaps 'Sea of Lyong', 'Korean Sea', or the name of whatever European first got lost and ended up there to 'discover' it. Traditionally, the Koreans know it as the East Sea, the Lyongeans know it as the West Sea, its new name was determined by the CPRD-PRS treaty that established it as a 'semi-enclosed sea' (and is probably still used only in official Lyong discourse, as no one anywhere particularly cares). As such, territorial waters extend across it to an equidistant meridian... as at the time neither CPRD nor PRS recognized Hamhung or South Korea as proper states, their rights to navigational channels and the like remain unclear, though its doubtful anyone would challenge Quinntonian convoys using their usual pre-treaty routes through what are now CPRD waters, and Lyong is far from confrontational at this point when it comes to relations with Pusan... the South Koreans may just have decided to take advantage of the treaty to extend their own territorial holdings to meet those of Lyong, so their trawlers can grab fishing grounds without competing with Drapoel and Lyongean fishermen.

The Sea opens through four channels: First is the Strait of Metaken, between Metaken Is. and the tip of Lyong, administered as part of Spyran territorial waters. The Okishan Channel between Okishima Is. and and Metaken Is. is similarly administered. The Kangnung Channel (?) between the Korean mainland and Ullung-do is probably administered likewise as well, though I'm uncertain as to who occupies Ullung-do (the CPRD or South Korea/Geronia). This channel is probably used by the USQ for convoys to their Drapoel enclave as it makes the most sense for shipping sailing from Guam to Hungnam... perhaps a USQ-SK treaty has declared it an international channel?
The final opening, the Nihai Channel between Ullung-do and Okishima, was treated as an international channel until the status of the Sea as semi-enclosed (territorial) was codified. Again, I'm uncertain of who controls Ullung-do, but the Lyongeans administer their side of the channel as territorial.

The Strait of Japan stretches down from between the mainland coast and Sakhalin to a point between Okishima Is. and southern Honshu. To the far north, it is entered from Amursk Liman ( through the Tatar Strait. Travelling southward, the Strait connects first with the Sea of Okhotsk through the La Perouse Strait between Sakhalin and Hokkaido (an international channel), then with the Pacific Ocean through the Tsugaru-kaikyo (an international channel). It continues southward skirting several islands (the waters between an outlying island and national mainland are considered territorial, so the proper Strait of Japan skirts first north of Sado, then south of Hishima, then north of the Oki islands. At its southern terminus, the Strait of Japan merges with the Korean Strait.

According to the international law of the sea, those areas deemed international channels are administered as normal (territorial or EEZ waters), save that through transit and the right to innocent passage shall not be suspended. Such passage rights are lost, however, should a vessel engage in any illegal acts, survey or economic activities, or any other action save expedient transit through the international channel. The Malacca war against Bonstock, after that state attempted to impose customs tariffs on shipping travelling the Strait of Malacca (an international channel), has established firm precedent as to the limits of state authority over such passages, despite the seeming absence in AMW of an international body to regulate the international law of the sea. Usually, and likely in almost all cases listed above, states maintain a buffer zone of three or more nautical miles of 'proper' territorial waters between an international channel and the coastline.

In the case of Lyong, a few other specific facts influence shipping: a trade embargo on Russia and the Holy League has no direct impact, though one could expect patrols out of Lyong to be far more strict in demanding identification of purpose and pouncing on any behaviours other than expedient transit through the channel. In the case of the French, acts of piracy against merchant vessels flying the flags of Tord and the INU have caused Strainist authorities to consider the French ensign as one of pirates, who are not accorded normal rights of innocent passage under international law.

Bah, and that isnt even trying to deal with the seas and navigation channels scattered about the Indonesian archipelago...

'Allo, all.

So here's my membership pitch:
I've been informed that Australia and much of South America are free for the taking. I'm interested in roleplaying the part of a democratic republic of as-yet undetermined name based primarily in Australia, with strong holdings in the urbanized slice of Brazil, most of Uruguay and the Buenos Aires/Rio de la Plata area of Argentina, with agricultural areas inland of there. My nation is a product of Walmingtonian exploration, and I'd like to work with him(?) on continuity stuff. The military power of this nation is based on its control of the sea (well, not total control. I'll not be THAT big a nation) as the British Empire's was. Any land military action will be dependant on the Navy for transportation, and will take the form of expeditionary forces that Britain used for much of its history.

I'll add more when I don't have to run out the door.

Im afraid that strikes me as much too large, in fact gargantuan.

One may acquire such territories in time, but not begin with them I think. Look at the powehouse nations USQ and BG, they have a big country, but not huge. What your suggesting I think is just a bit to much.

Maybe choose either Brazil or Australia?

It does sound interesting, but I am left to wonder...Brazilian history...do we have anything written down? If not, I don't see any problem with that. Argentina, though, played a part in the Falklands War, which I think we've established actually happened...

This isn't coming out smoothly so perhaps the next time you get a chance, could you give us more specifics on the areas you'd control? It does seem like this will work, just want to work out its implications first of all.

I must object to NG's objections. Roycelandia started out with a rather large empire, after all. But he does have a point. Brazil...that's a powerhouse in and of itself. Easily enough to send Versailles running for cover if they ever got any ideas involving that part of the world. In short, while I'd perhaps like to see you take Brazil out of my affinity for Brazil, I'm not set against a setup like the one you proposed. If South America is a bit too far, perhaps you've held onto a section of Pakistan?

Don't feel obligated to address any of my senseless ramblings.

By the way...Rajasthan. I've assumed that the INA has taken-over more or less the entire country/province by now, so you might want to color it Union on subsequent maps. I still have a lot of that to work out, though, and it might just end up an independent nation in the long run, if Parliament decides that the money for its re-incorporation might be better spent elsewhere. ;)

I don't have a problem with the size of the claim as such (well, Australia AND Brazil would be an economic powerhouse dwarfing Quinntonia, Roycelandia, and France combined), but you need an Historic Background.

My understanding was that Australia had been settled by the British much earlier an in RL (say, around late 16th century?). So why would they then have sailed across the Pacific Ocean to Brazil?

There were competitions between the Spaniards and the English is South America; for example, Belize and in the 18th and 19th centuries heavy influence in Eastern Venezuela, IIRC. I don't reckon it would be a big issue should we be led to believe that the English somehow disloged the Portuguese powerhouse from Brazil and implanted itself there to a limit. No doubt that one would have to argue that Spain would most likely react to this in a very, very violent manner, and despite Great Britain's clear superiority on the seas, their ability to cope with a war down there where Spain has an obvious advantage in manpower is disputed. That's not to say England would lose the war... it's just saying that there would be a lot of competition, meaning that Brazil would most likely be split in two... whether England would get the 'bigger half' is up to you... and then again, I'm just stipulating. I don't know much on the situation at this point in time. :(

Well, as for RL, I don't think that there was all that much danger of the English gaining a clear foothold in Brazil. They were too busy in France.

As for AMW; the solution that Walmington suggested was that the guy who discovered and colonized Australia was a Walmingtonian explorer who came around Cape Horn, rather than Africa, and that it was entirely feasible that he happened upon parts of Brazil on his way down, and claimed them for the Walmingtonian Empire. When Australia and Brazil were made independant during the time that Walmington was dissolving some of its holdings abroad, the two nations were combined into one.

The as-yet unnamed nation is divided into provinces, which see equal representation in the parliament at Melbourne (named something else, though). Although there was once a power imbalance between the mainland and the colonies, this has been resolved over the past several decades. It is actively seeking to expand its territory, and is negotiating with Walmington for control of New Zealand.

Remember, I don't control ALL of Brazil, nor do I control all of Argentina. While the area is claimed, it is not developed, nor will it be in the forseeable future. The extent of my control is the Argentinian lowlands and the narrow strip of coast that has been widely developed on the southern coast of Brazil.

I dont mean to be a wet blanket, but I still say too much. Why not one or the other.

Much of this sounds potentially workable, to me. We'll have to work out exactly how much of Brazil/Argentina/Uruguay would be claimed, and see what sort of population and resources that gives, if it'll address people's fears. It'll also be significant to see how Gurguvungunit wishes to play the holdings: are they prosperous in their own right, a 1st world nation like (I assume) the Australian territory will be, or are they largely backwater colonies exploited by the Republic for cheap labour? I gather that it's more like the latter, to begin with?

I would assume that Sir Harold Wendsleybury, a fictional Walmingtonian explorer with probably as much or more fame and admiration as Drake et cetera, did a lot of the necessary discovery and exploration in the first quarter of the C16th (his last voyage was a 1527 attempt to circumnavigate the globe, which saw him shipwrecked on Cape Horn, recovered, and shipwrecked and lost a second time in Oceania). Perhaps the crews from these voyages, which Walmington initially assumed lost, established the first struggling colonies in Brazil and Australia, reinforced later, either by the state or by free-lance colonials of a sort.

I consider that Walmington -though it was at the time much weaker than the continental powers- was at the time an almost suicidally belligerent enemy of France and Spain, and might have supported Protestant colonials in the new world even if they didn't recognise the authority of the Walmingtonian crown.

As to the Falklands War, this could be interesting. Walmington does still hold the Falklands, viewing them as a back-up road between Europe and Oceania/Asia given on-again off-again relations with the Quinntonian masters of the Panama Canal, and a good place to put warships to blockade French adventures if we choose to make life hell for them in Asia. If the Argentinian state is smaller than it was, well, we can still have the war and defeat them, of course! However, it could have been bigger, and fought partly on the mainland....

...What would be Gurguvungunit's nation's modern relationship with Walmington? Would they have backed Walmington against Argentina? Perhaps it could even be said that an over-land invasion was launched from the Brazilian/Uruguayan territory to capture the Argentine territory? Or, on the other hand, if they started-out with much of Argentina under their control, might they even have taken the place of Argentina as the aggressor? Seeing Walmington as a colonial enemy, and the Falklands as the piece of their territory that the crown never let go?

I'm sorry, this is half history lesson half giant-stream-of-insecure-proposals. I'd better stop before I *really* get carried away.

Just in case any of this is important, which it probably is not, I play Spain as an elder Imperial power. Indeed, I didn't change much of its history, and that's why I played Prince Phillip of Asturias as one who wants to return Spain to her Imperial glory [now Phillip VII, as his father died in a bomb blast in Madrid during the military coup what I imagine would be near 2006 or 2007]. In other words, Phillip is going to draw a lot of his inspiration from what was the Spanish Empire, including the Phillippines, most of South America and what would be now the Western United Stated, and then, of course, at a later date the minor colonies on the African continent.

Looking at a map (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/south_america_ref01.jpg) I assume that Argentina's Patagonia and Andes regions are still Argentina, and wonder about the full extent of Gurguvungunit's claim... if it includes most of the Pampas (the rich plains of the north), then Argentina as a nation is kinda screwed, and I wonder about the nature of the Falklands war. As an aggressor, Argentina wouldn't have been up to much, would it?

That can be solved, I think, in at least three or four ways:

1) Little Argentina was simply desperate, and, as in reality, supposed that Thatcher, with downsizing of the Royal Navy, wouldn't be up to protecting the Falklands, and so AMW's puny Argentina could grab a token boost to its power and prestiege. Obviously it turned out to be wrong, and got its arse handed to it even more quickly than in reality.

2 (I) The aggressor was in fact Gurguvungunit's nation, following-up independence with an attempt to grab the Falklands, which Walmington had refused to grant freedom (wanting to keep a base in the region with which to resupply ships going around the cape, and with which to watch the newly-free colonies). This would be a pretty serious war that was probably won by Walmington with more difficulty than in reality.

2 (II) Or perhaps most of 2(I) is correct, but the spark was different, and Walmington even trumped-up some Gurguvungunit plot against the Falklands as an excuse to go and smash their growing naval power.

3) Argentina was an entirely independent nation up to 1982, and Gurguvungunit's nation had only the Uruguayan and Brazilian territories (plus Australia). When Argentina attacked the Falklands, Gurguvungunit's nation took the opportunity of unexpected Walmingtonian intervention (which distracted Argentina's navy and air force) to launch an invasion of Argentina, and claim new territory.

3 (I) Gurguvungunit's nation takes the Pampas and cripples Argentina as an independent nation, a significant task but one supported by Walmington.

3 (II) Gurguvungunit's nation takes the much smaller area east of the Rio Parana, which is enough to make the Argentines quit the war, and sets-up Argentina as a long-term enemy of Gurguvungunit's nation and Walmington. That also reduces his claims slightly and satisfies those who think it was too big.

I had imagined that Buenos Aires would be the southernmost holdings of my nation, with the southwestern border following the Parana River to the same latitude as Santa Fe. It cuts in a straight line across the map to Salto in Uruguay. I have the entirety of Uruguay, unless that's seen as being too much. From there my border follows the foothills of the Great Escarpment, visible as a sort of ridge along the south coast of Brazil on Walmington's map. It's an extremely narrow strip, less than 100 kilometres wide at the widest point. The northernmost border falls on either side of Rio, whichever seems appropriate. Most of the agricultural activity takes place along the east bank of the Parana and in Uruguay. The Brazilian coast is also arable land, but farming there is only beginning to take off. Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires are the major cities in my country's holdings there (as is Rio, if seen to be acceptable).

As for Falklands scenarios, I rather like 3(II). For details, look up.

Greetings, Gurguvungunit. Having read your last post, I've, you could say 'penciled-in' a rough idea of what it sounds to me like you're describing, and hopefully you/anyone else can correct me where I've misunderstood or misdrawn. I may have my sense of scale way off, or have misread a little on the Argentine claim, but it is easily put right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/south-america.jpg

As you may see, I've left the RL national borders drawn internally, so we can tell for the sake of corrections, reference, and the possibility of your departure before the end of AMW, whenever that may be, but they don't have to be of any significance at all in RP (though I suppose the Uruguay-Argentina one is likely to be, if 3 (II) is the option taken).

Of course, once this is settled, you can draw your own more detailed map of your nation's borders if you so choose (though there's no obligation to do so).

An excellent proposal, G-man. You have my stamp of approval.

Rio, eh? Ever see City of God? I hear its supposed to be good.

That's pretty much right. I'm not sure exactly where Buenos Aires falls on that map, but I think it's within the orange region. Anyway, does that count as 'accepted', or what? My nation, by the way, is the Parliamentary of Australasia. I'm not sure how to calculate population, since I have all those cities, plus territory from the Americas to add to the 20 million odd Australians. Thoughts?

Perhaps, in light of the new Anglophone countries, we should clarify the Roycelandian-British-Australian relationship a bit more?

I figured Roycelandia and Britain were bestest buddies until around 1948 (when India became independent), and things got steadily worse from then on, with disagreements over Britain's decolonisation of Africa (which was "Giving the Natives Ideas", to quote from Sir Robert Blanc's History of Imperialism, 1475-Present), and finally, by the 1982 Falklands War, the Roycelandians just sat it out, especially given the unpleasant situation they'd just extricated themselves from in Lusaka.

Fast forward several years, and Restoration France starts getting ideas about regaining the French Empire, and Roycelandia has a friend! Of course, England basically went Isolationist, leaving Roycelandia and France to play a real-life version of Civilisation III :D

Fast forward several years, and Restoration France starts getting ideas about regaining the French Empire, and Roycelandia has a friend! Of course, England basically went Isolationist, leaving Roycelandia and France to play a real-life version of Civilisation III :D

What you eman where your tanks cant actually capture cities that are held by spear men and archers and you can't actually win despite being 3 eras ahead of everyone else tech wise and having almsot all the wonders...

CIV IV i think would siut you better ;)

My Video Card won't run Civ IV, so I haven't had a chance to play it yet... :(

Oh its good, a lot easier than Civ III (feels more like Civ II) but it will eat your machine, my Athlon XP X2 4400 with 2 gigs of RAM sometimes gets slow downs when i play huge maps, particualrly in the alter stages of the game when there are lots of units moving around. the religion aspect is quite fun, unless you race ahead to christianity, islam and taoism it is quite possible for judaism to be the world religion...

I get that with Civ 3 on my ancient, steam-powered PC :D

I usual have a Tom Clancy book by my computer when I have to wait in between turns, gets me in the mood for nuclear striking those pesky democracies!

AC? Reading something such a pro-American bent? GASP!

To get back on topic here; it seems as though Australasia gave active military support to Walmington during the Falklands situation, and gained a good bit of territory in the process. I would suspect that this solidified the Australasia/Walmington relationship to a certain extent, although Walmington could view my acquisition of territory as a threat. Australasia has been sitting quietly since the 80s, increasing its naval forces and suchlike in response to unreast just north of the Continent.

The Australasian people view France with the traditional distrust that comes from their Walmingtonian heritage. Although Australasia has never taken a decisive stance against Restoration France, it maintains a close watch on French activities.

Yes, Buenos Aires should be just inside that area marked. The border, I think, virtually skirts the fringes of the city area, perhaps indicating that the capture of the capital was the main target of the invasion, and the loss of it was sufficient to force an Argentine capitulation. I can still re-shape it for you, if you wish.

Seems like you're in, then, Gurguvungunit/Australasia. Welcome to AMW :)

Anyone have a good estimate of the population for the S.American holdings?

Australia and Uruguay being claimed totally it's easy enough to work out that they account for roughly 23.7 million people.

Buenos Aires alone has, I think, some way over 2.75 million people in the city itself, and a lot more surrounding it.

Do we assume that the river is the border, where it touches, meaning, for example, that Rosario is still in Argentina's control?

Paraná must have quarter of a million or more. There's maybe five other notable towns in Australasian-held Argentina, too. Probably there's more than a million people in the whole controlled area of Entre Rios (inside the river, if you will) eh? I'm just not sure about the distribution of populace around Buenos Aires city itself. A third of the population lives in that province, but it's a big province of which Australasia holds only a small part.

In Brazil, Rio Grande has 190k, Porto Alegre almost 1.4m, Florianópolis 390k, Curitiba 1.75m, Santos 420k, Sao Paulo has over 10.25m people alone, and Rio 6.1million, last I know, and that misses a few minor towns plus everyone living on the coast outside the catchment of a significant town.

Certainly more than half the total population will be in South America, but beyond this pile of vagaries I'm not much help :)

OOC: Is anything still open?

Yes, msot of Africa and south America is fairly open

Thanks for the clarification, BG.

Armand>> Cram it, US boy ^.^ Got to know how your systems work so I can blow 'em up when the revolution comes, yes?

The fact that it's great reading notwithstanding :D I just finished Red Storm Rising. I've read it before many years ago, but I forgot how good it was.

Gurguvungunit>> Glad to see more South-american players. We need some PC presence in that region of AMW!

Lots of India is still free, remember. Granted, you don't have sea access, or see access for that matter, but you've got enough drugs and cheap guns to make money for a long time.

I'm glad you've found something you like, G-man. I'm not sure what old Mumbai's feelings towards Australasia will be, but they'll surely improve if you tell Versailles off!

Nice pun, LRR. 'Cept... not. And yes, I fully intend to. And maybe steal some Philippines when they're not looking. Actually, I'm not just here to harrass LRR, I do have a question.

Do national populations grow over time, or am I going to be rougly 40 million for ever, barring conquest of other nations/territories?

I'd say you're probably closer to fifty million (20m Aus/3.4m Ur./well over 3m Arg/over 20m Braz.), but as to growth, well, I suppose it's more or less tied to RL growth, though as yet we've not had to pay much attention to it, since AMW is a matter of months and, eventually, a few years, rather than generations, so there's not much change of significance.

But nobody minds, because it's all relative. We've only one billion-plus nation in AMW (China), and second largest is probably the Indian Commonwealth at less than half a billion. Australasia is bigger than historical major-players such as Dra-pol, which drew in half the world during its war on the ROK, and slightly bigger than others such as Spain, so don't worry too much about being brushed aside or anything.

What's the good word on the Zimbabwean situation? Are we moving on with that or what?

I'd really like to see how it plays out, even if it will just be a pull-out and a normalization.

Ah, I have only somewhat overwhelmed by the rapid changes (which took considerable time and effort of which the people involved would think it was forever) so just to re-re-re clarify some things,

WoS>>> Controls a Britain, and a load of other little islands empire that really resembles (well at least to me) a post Spanish-American War America.

G.....it>>> Aussie and Zealand with a touch of South American for spice? Don't know the political standpoint but could stab out the economic standpoint.

Sounds fun overall and hope that by tonight I can finally iron/stamp out the kinks in my new Austria, a new wave of inspiration has compelled me to make a run-down of Austria to commemerate my new invovlment. Will probably be no good but at least I'll get points for typing :rolleyes: .

WoS was going to be based in NZ, and treat its little dependencies as an Empire, but TBF was deleted for inactivity and we required someone to play Britain, so, now, Walmington is based in Britain, also controlling Ireland and New Zealand.

G. is based in Australia and S.America (specifically Uruguay, an adjacent strip of coast in Brazil, and a small part of Argentina including Buenos Aires). There's some talk of NZ moving to G's control in future, but that's just speculation at the moment.

Good to see Austria waking-up.

I'm ambivalent about New Zealand. It might be fun to have a WoS dependancy right next door, seeing as I'm about to be a midsized naval power with designs on more territory. I don't know how an established power like WoS would respond to that, and it might make for good RP.

/me is tired. /me will sleep now.

Now I know I haven’t been the most accepted or active player in AMW, so in light of that I have combined some late inspiration with the concept to fully be accepted into AMW.

A litter run by on my country Austria to start this beautiful piece. I first planned to make Austria an ultra-nationalist nation with the main concerns of killing communists and trying to get more territory high on the list. Commanded by the ever brilliant Chancellor Maxen von Bismarck it had visions of a new European power (itself if you couldn’t put 2 and 2 together) that could at least stand up to Germany if not the Holy League. Those ambitions quickly proved to naught, after the buying of whatever island from New Zealand, then trying to annex the Sudentland and finally trying to force the upcoming power of a resurgent Yugoslavia all failing miserably I am taking my country to a different more Capitalistic course.

The new Austria would mainly be concerned with preaching the goodness of Capitalism which could mean butting heads with Dra-pol and other communist states but mostly Austria is more concerned about its new corporations. Namely Stille Incorporated, The Gizatte Company, Fokker Aeroplanbau, AMW (Austrian Motor Works), and The Eichelberger Foundation. there is still a distinction between Austria and “its” corporations, actually the populace considers the corporations more as the governments tools to promote Austria throughout the world, a highly Marxist train of thought which shows the somewhat backwards thinking.

Austria will still be pretty much Austria, no real territorial changes or anything of the sort, I hope in this move the economical power of Austria would be increase as the usual decadent European labor laws now in place either don’t exist or are more looser. I am actually trying to hint at Austria being an actual major industrial state, instead of being on the sideline. With the new industrial prowness there would come the currency, now I really like prattling on and on about currencies so I will keep it short.

The Silvarian Mark is, as the name hints, is silver. This gives the currency two things which a lot of other, smaller, country currencies don’t have. Stability and lack of fluctuating, meaning little if any inflation. That makes the Silvarian great for a lot of investors looking for a nice core tidbit for their 401k plan and coupled with all of the European and American populaces aging the prospect for a nice money maker in the 401 is something everybody wants. So a very strong currency is ideal since Austria is lacking in many natural resources and the few I do have it would be un-profitable, especially when other 3rd world countries can sell for a lot cheaper. But with the Silvarian Mark so strong buying any and all resources for it’s factories to sell is easy.

The Greater Prussian Political State of Austria I am dropping for the moment, my first idea was that a lot of “Prussian” ancestry moved to Austria and started their own state, but lets face it, what is “Prussia” now? Prussia forfeited the claim of a independent, singular, real country since unifying Germany and ceased to even be German speaking since losing itself to Poland and Russia in WWII. So in the end I dropped it and changed it over to express the fierce nationalism. Then again it stumped me, how in the world can Austria express its nationalism by honoring the country which annexed it and the Prussian Chancellor Otto von Bismarck reportedly considered “racially un-pure” and let it to exist since he didn’t want such a country in his empire. Not the best people to be honoring if your Austrian. So I don’t know what I am changing the name to, something to do with Independence, that’s all I know at the moment.

Religion, that is at the moment very touchy. The nationalists think that religion is decadent and is not needed in the new modern workplace which Austria is advancing with. While the more “old school” ideals of religion are still entrenched with the support of decades of tradition. The main religion at the moment is Catholic but a major part is still held by the Lutherans, no violence has erupted yet (RP Opportunity?) but the tension is high. The official Austrian government has let all parties have some kicking room but has made sure to appease the Holy League and anyone else interested that they don’t take any sides.

The political parties are widespread and fragmented since the start of the Prussian Political Party rise to power, the breakdown mostly follows as the green party (Macabre) which follows the usual path of save the animals and whatnot and in light of The Prussia Political Party’s nominee Maxen -who has several records of preaching green energy and examples of making profitable- they enjoy a somewhat peaceful political alliance. The other parties with seats in the parliament but disagree with the Nationalist-Green alliance includes; the far right Lima party which preaches the usual conservative message, Capricorn Federation compromised of anti-Marxists who are friendly but are still bitter of losing seats to the nationalists, the Puritan League which believes in the ultimate superiority of Nordic peoples, and finally the Freedom Group which I hope to incorporate later into something. Historically, when the change went from nationalism to capitalism (right now) they broke off from the main Prussian Party and formed their own. A rumor of the anti-Marxists and Freedom Party has been reported but lacking in real evidence. Some other funky bands with no seats include the Minority Alliance who are a far left group devoted to promoting equal rights, the Raybourn Confederacy devoted to making Austria closed off, and Zathura Federation which has no real goal other than making gun ownership compulsory.

Austria’s outlook on the big wide world has already been covered somewhat but a basic policy is to promote capitalism in the most un-military manner, by proving that capitalism has more to offer. Austria cares a lot for its businesses, they lead a lot of Austria through the modern age cheaply and easily which any active country needs. In a informal exchange Austria then always mentions the companies in diplomatic dialogue and also helps whenever needed. Austria considers The Holy League a good institution that if nothing else, keeps anarchy away and keeps order in a usual hectic part of the world which lets the corporations more accessible markets which the Austrian government loves to here from the corporation’s reports. Quintonnia the corporations give a thumb up which coincides with the general Austrian opinion. Lingering effects of Quintonnia freeing Austria from the bondage is now considered an holy act (remember, before hand it was considered what could have happened if Germany won, similar to French feelings post-Bonaparte)and so the Austrian government is eager to improve diplomacy and give Quintonnia (or namely its military) a second chance in the world. The Wellingtonian government Austria is still unsure of how to respond to as Britain was relatively secluded since WWII on the continent. Dra-pol is communist but the Austrian government still considers it misguided than anything else and open to selling them high grade military equipment. The Czech Republic and Slovakia are both considered prime places for Austria’s military to stretch out a bit, n a un-official way.

That’s really all there is to it, no deep seated historical changes just some clarification on some topics. Do any of you guys have ideas for me? Does it make the cut?

Hmmm...Interesting. So it's a country very much based on President William Taft's idea of "Dollar Diplomacy"? (Spreading interests and power through investment and corporations)

Walmington>> When will you make a post in the Zimbabwe RP? Looking forward to playing with you :P

Hmmm...Interesting. So it's a country very much based on President William Taft's idea of "Dollar Diplomacy"? (Spreading interests and power through investment and corporations)

Never thought it in that light but mainly yes, but of course without the waste, the nationlists would never let the people be put forward over the country.

Now for the first thread of the "First Great Awakening". I am thinking of being bold! Is there not some little drivvel of French along the lines of; "Seize The Day!"? Some tonight and tomorrow expect a thread of a new Austrian island dependency! I still don't quite know and will probably re-adjust because so and so has it but expect this less military that "Dollar Diplomacy".

I provided examples of my RPing in the other thread, but il post up my claims here:-
Mexico
Guatemala

In 1992 civil war broke out in Mexico between the Democratic Government and the forces of Retired General Bernando Gomez, the war rages for years, mostly locked on the same frontlines, burdened by war the economy faltered. Then in 1994, at the third battle of Mexicana the Government army of the north was annihalated and the war was over within three weeks. The Government was tried and convicted of crimes against humanity and put under lifetime house arrest in a series of luxurious villas outside of Mexicana.
Bernando Gomez was declared the emperor of Mexico and began rebuilding the country that had almost been torn apart by two years of constant fighting. After numerous removals of restrictions on business the economy prospered, pushing up GDP per capita and standard of living to almost thirty thousand dollars. Then came defense spending, the President announced massive new funding for the military to help it arm in anticipation of the uncertain area that was decending on the world.
Then on 13th December 1995 Gomez sent the third infantry battalion into Guatemala, he faced initially stiff resistance that finally collapsed on day 13 of the invasion after the Leader of Gautemala was seized by a special forces unit operating in powerboats. The country was incorporated as a new state of Mexico and the long task of bringing the poor nation up to the standards of mainstream mexico was begun.

bump for approval/suggestion of alterations

Sorry, it seems a bit hand-wavy to me... I'm not really convinced you understand the political aspect of RPing in AMW.

Who are the main movers and shakers? What does Mexico want?

Are you aware that there's an enormous Empire and a powerful, Christian version of the RL US on either side of you?

And which "other thread" are you talking about?

Seems alright politically, but expect a lot of tension with the US to the north and Neo anarchos to the south.

A country ravaged by war pushing it's GDP/capita to 30k in a few years? Seems a bit godmoddy.

A massive economic growth spurt is not beyond belief (it has been twelve years since the end of the war afterall), although i agree it is rather excessive to push GDP that high, it should probably be around the fifteen to seventeen thousand mark.
Privately Mexico would very much like to return to the 1848 borders and the government will largely be sitting in the shadows waiting for a moment when it would be possible to accomplish this, although they will probably be waiting a very long time.
Publically Mexico wants prosperity and stability in the Americas, although a pro-European slant amongst the higher officials of government, including Bernando Gomez, could upset relations with the US and that huge empire to its south.

Im referring to the "A Modern World Welcoming New Members" thread

Quinntonia ought be back by the 10th... of all the 'senior' AMW members, his is the approval that is probably most important for a claim involving Mexico.

And that'd be more accurately 'huge empire to the east, sprawling mass of anarchist communes to the south' ^_^.

I have to wait a week for approval? Could i have provisional approval and if when he comes back you decide that i cant join everything attached to my country is retconned? I want to RP

Well it seems fine, maybe a touch high but it's not like I am going to care. The best bet is to wait till the 10th for Quintonnia and get his approval, because his counts the most along side Neo-Anarchas.

A massive economic growth spurt is not beyond belief (it has been twelve years since the end of the war afterall), although i agree it is rather excessive to push GDP that high, it should probably be around the fifteen to seventeen thousand mark.


The problem is that you're México. México has gone through centuries of revolutions, coups, and change of governments, yet it still remains corrupt. The difference between say México and Spain is that Spain was lucky enough to have a dictatorship that built up infrastructure, as opposed to taking money from the people, and when Franco died Aldofo Suarez was perhaps the best president in Europe at the time! On the other hand, México is a country with a history of two hundred years of dictatorships and corrupt presidents, and there is absolutely no way that suddenly because of pure luck in 1996 you have a coup and you get some awesome president that suddenly jump starts your economy in first world status. Especially given that he became president through a coup. So, in México's case a growth spurt on this level is beyond belief. Furthermore, you will still have a rebellion in Southern México, the good number of your administration will still be corrupt - it takes more than crossed fingers to solve centuries worth of corruption, given that the people that will now fill your new administration will be just as corrupt as the last.

Privately Mexico would very much like to return to the 1848 borders and the government will largely be sitting in the shadows waiting for a moment when it would be possible to accomplish this, although they will probably be waiting a very long time.

Like I said on IRC; a very long time.

Publically Mexico wants prosperity and stability in the Americas, although a pro-European slant amongst the higher officials of government, including Bernando Gomez, could upset relations with the US and that huge empire to its south.


Yes, but the good news is that you get a lot of high rate European goodies. :)

Im dropping my claim to Mexico, because im never going to get anywhere with it. Il claim Morroco, my history is pretty similar to that in Real Life, except that defence Spending is a higher proportion of GDP.

And United Elias, can i buy some Magnum 60mm Guns? And are there any good deals for 105mm Smoothbores?

Hello
I would like to join this

Is Argentina and Chile available?

Although not on the list, Australasia owns parts of South America. Which countries, I'm not exactly sure.

Is Singapore available?

Although not on the list, Australasia owns parts of South America. Which countries, I'm not exactly sure.
ok, if someone coudl shed light on what parts of south america are claimed, listed on the list or not, it would be greatly appreciated

Some of the maps (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9964980&postcount=5) require updating based on recent RP events, but the South America one seems to be up to date.

Australasia owns a thin strip of Brazil running along the coast as far north as Rio de Jainero(?), as well as Uruguay and the northern coastal portion of Argentina. I'm sure there's a map kicking around here someplace...

Is Singapore open? Yes, but with a catch. Our Singapore was the seat of perhaps the most hated empire ever to have existed in AMW, Bonstock, and after Bonstock's complete destruction and dismemberment Singapore is viewed with suspicion by almost every nation in Asia. In short, one false move and you're dead. Presently, it enjoys much better infrastructure than Malaya, which it briefly invaded, and has a fairly large and powerful military, although that isn't much compared to nearby powers.

Well, I'm too tired to write-up a proper IC post anywhere, tonight, so I've contented myself with updating a couple of maps. The addresses are still the same as in Dra-pol's post (linked by Depkazia up there) so they should work, and I'd advise refreshing if you've looked at them before, to make sure they're the updated versions.

I just realised that Spyr (I think?) updated the Asia map, so my version isn't linked there, which is fine since it doesn't include the Lyong anyway. Maybe I'll copy Spyr's and do any needed updates so it's all in the same place, but... next time.

As for Europe, South America, and Africa, territories in the various colours belong to current AMW nations; territories in grey may be sort of open, but certainly come with heavy RP histories (actually this may only really be significant when I fiddle the Asia map) and in some cases you may find that they're not open, while in others you're just going to be a bit restricted in what sort of nation you can make there; territories left white are more or less open to anything (short of the godmodding).

As some grey areas may turn out to be too important to players of other nations and thus off-limits, so some white nations may have limited RP history with another player or may have been mentioned or manipulated in their NPC capacity by other PC nations (eg. Argentina is probably required to have had a part in a disasterous modification of the Falklands War, but maybe it doesn't actually have to have even been Argentina per se). However, generally it is my feeling that those left blank have not been of such major importance that we couldn't forget or carefully modify their histories to suit good new players, which I think is the more important aim.

Every case is different, but discussion of them is a large part what threads like this are for.

Some of the maps (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9964980&postcount=5) require updating based on recent RP events, but the South America one seems to be up to date.
Ahh, very well then, might have to look into "liberating" some land there

Can I take Argentina, Chile and Paraguay?

All that I want is the American South, and some of Mexico. I could negotiate specific states.

All that I want is the American South, and some of Mexico. I could negotiate specific states.

Well, uh, there was a discussion about Mexico specifically a while back, including the fact that Quinntonia owns it.

As some grey areas may turn out to be too important to players of other nations and thus off-limits, so some white nations may have limited RP history with another player or may have been mentioned or manipulated in their NPC capacity by other PC nations (eg. Argentina is probably required to have had a part in a disasterous modification of the Falklands War, but maybe it doesn't actually have to have even been Argentina per se). However, generally it is my feeling that those left blank have not been of such major importance that we couldn't forget or carefully modify their histories to suit good new players, which I think is the more important aim.

Every case is different, but discussion of them is a large part what threads like this are for.
I'm okay with a modded history, as long as someone explains it

So, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay?

How about the American South (specific states or parts of states are negotiable).

Quinntonia occupies the entirety of the continental USA... there's no harm in asking him about it, I suppose, but while a secessionist RP might be quite exciting, its probably not likely for an existing member to split up their original claim.

Except you, of course, LRR :p

yeah, it will be the civil war...par deux. LOL

I'm okay with a modded history, as long as someone explains it

So, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay?
*feels ignored*

Your not the only one, can i have an answer for Morocco please?

Lusaka isn't quite a big gun, and not a major influence in either region, but my hurriedly considered opinions:

Fanberry-

First, as you may have partly gathered, some of Argentina is within Australasia's South American territory (Buenos Aires and a little of the surrounding territory) but only due to the Falklands War, which in AMW saw Australasia (from Uruguay and part of Brazil) attacking Argentina in support of Britain.

However, as someone said, a player could still replace Argentina with something else, so long as it accepts in its history that Falklands conflict.

Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay together would come to about 62.5ish million people, I thiiiink, but less a few million in territory annexed by Australasia.

Initially I thought that claim a little large, but it won't be much different to the size of Australasia (in fact it's about the same as my nation at the moment, though that has taken a long time to build-up), and if it was much reduced you might find yourself a bit isolated from events without the power to get involved, so maybe it's not so bad?

We'll need an idea of what you intend to make of your nation, just so that everyone knows what we're voting in or out, and people tend to appreciate links to RPs you've been in, so we can have a look (if you already posted some, woops, must have missed it while skim-reading).

On the history of South America, much of it is still flexible. So far we've assumed that a lot of the colonial past was the same, with Spain and Portugal being most significant, but Walmington (Britain) explored Uruguay and part of the east coast of Brazil, leading to settlement that today is part of the independent nation of Australasia.
Recently, anarchist revolution swept Ecuador, Colombia, and Venezuela, creating Neo Anarchos, and it spread into Guyana (I think?) which is now split between anarchists and the Roycelandian Empire (which is centred in the Caribbean and has holdings in Africa), incase that is significant to you.
Really, until 1982 and after the war you can largely create your own history, I think. The dominant people could be Hispanic, or they could be Amerindians, or, they could be former slaves, or whatever you can think of and somehow explain :)

Spizania-

Personally I should quite like to see Morocco with a dedicated player. At the moment it is sort of looked-after by United Elias (major Middle Eastern power, secular dictatorship with capitalist economy, pretty high opinion of itself and slightly ominous because it has rarely shown the full extent of what it's really capable), but I think that it would be good to see it played.

You would have to start out playing a nation that has a significant link to UE, I'm not sure of the specifics of the relationship but Morocco may well have debts to UE and other such issues to consider. Of course, if accepted, you could continue as an inferior ally to UE, hoping that they will protect you from the Holy League, or you could attempt a revolution or other change, being aware that UE might react badly or that the HL may take the opportunity to strike. There'll be issues with the Saharawi and the Polisario Front, too, but, again, other players are better placed to talk about them.

Macabees and myself have a secret conference RP planned where all will become clear, i will probably end up siding with the Holy League but not as an actual member. Id like to retain fairly good relations with United Elias, but i wont have him being too dominating of my affairs, such as my dealing with the problems in Western Sahara and possible expansion into Mauretania while everyones attention is diverted towards Europe

I'll put my vote in for Spizania because I think Morocco will play a crucial role in the progression of the war, either against me or neutral - and I prefer the latter, but Spizania really has a lot of levearage right now.

Lusaka isn't quite a big gun, and not a major influence in either region, but my hurriedly considered opinions:

Fanberry-

First, as you may have partly gathered, some of Argentina is within Australasia's South American territory (Buenos Aires and a little of the surrounding territory) but only due to the Falklands War, which in AMW saw Australasia (from Uruguay and part of Brazil) attacking Argentina in support of Britain.

However, as someone said, a player could still replace Argentina with something else, so long as it accepts in its history that Falklands conflict.

Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay together would come to about 62.5ish million people, I thiiiink, but less a few million in territory annexed by Australasia.

Initially I thought that claim a little large, but it won't be much different to the size of Australasia (in fact it's about the same as my nation at the moment, though that has taken a long time to build-up), and if it was much reduced you might find yourself a bit isolated from events without the power to get involved, so maybe it's not so bad?

We'll need an idea of what you intend to make of your nation, just so that everyone knows what we're voting in or out, and people tend to appreciate links to RPs you've been in, so we can have a look (if you already posted some, woops, must have missed it while skim-reading).

On the history of South America, much of it is still flexible. So far we've assumed that a lot of the colonial past was the same, with Spain and Portugal being most significant, but Walmington (Britain) explored Uruguay and part of the east coast of Brazil, leading to settlement that today is part of the independent nation of Australasia.
Recently, anarchist revolution swept Ecuador, Colombia, and Venezuela, creating Neo Anarchos, and it spread into Guyana (I think?) which is now split between anarchists and the Roycelandian Empire (which is centred in the Caribbean and has holdings in Africa), incase that is significant to you.
Really, until 1982 and after the war you can largely create your own history, I think. The dominant people could be Hispanic, or they could be Amerindians, or, they could be former slaves, or whatever you can think of and somehow explain :)


I'm okay with all the history you guys made, as you were in the RP before me and made it and all that

As for RP's i've been in...
Age of Imperialisim II seems to be the last major one I was in, but that one died (before being restarted, while I was absent)
I was in the "Soviet Arms Dealers" one, but that was my first major one
Im in a WWII one now, but that seems to be dead already, or is taking off slowly, I can look for links and stuff if you want

As for what to make of my nation. I was thinking of a socialist nation, deu to the fact that this is "A Modern World" and that has been the trend in the area recently, especially after Argentina's economical crisis in 2001, but thats making a comeback. I don't know what my country would be called. Maybe "The Southern Confederacy" and have each country (Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and any future conquests :P) called "The Provinces Of.." lead by a president (i.e The President of the Provinces of Chile), who would be subordinate to "The President of the Nation" who would be the highest authority.



a brief summary on current alliances and a basic history would be nice

I'll support Spizania - We need an RPer in such a crucial part of the world to stop NPC abuse.

Alliances - There's NATO consisting of the US (Quintonnia), Britain (Walmington), Roycelandia, and Canada (deceased). Recently NATO seems to be more or less defunct as well.

Progressives - Beth Gellert, Hindustan (LRR), Spyr, Neo-Anarchos

There is a 3 - way defense alliace being negotiated amongst Japan, China, and Quintonnia.

Holy League - Italy, France, Spain, Russia, Poland (Estenlands?)

I'll support Spizania - We need an RPer in such a crucial part of the world to stop NPC abuse.

Alliances - There's NATO consisting of the US (Quintonnia), Britain (Walmington), Roycelandia, and Canada (deceased). Recently NATO seems to be more or less defunct as well.

Progressives - Beth Gellert, Hindustan (LRR), Spyr, Neo-Anarchos

There is a 3 - way defense alliace being negotiated amongst Japan, China, and Quintonnia.

Holy League - Italy, France, Spain, Russia, Poland (Estenlands?)
war between any of them?

Just in case in the future we get a potential Italy candidate - how should we deal with it? Given that Doom kinda left Italy in a precarious position as a non-played HL members.

Does that mean im in since two people support my joining?

If anyone wants to consider it, much of SE Asia is free and would probably benefit from having a few more RPers. It has quite a rich history so it would be good to pick up where we left off.

Franberry, there's the first world war in AMW brewing at the moment. Progressives (and possibly China) against the Holy League.

Spiz, yes that means your're in, assuming your history of Morrocco is OKayed by Elias and Spain i.e no inconsistencies or unrealistic portions.

AMW China: A correction to your 'alliances' sum-up... while Wingert's anti-USSR movement had Polish connections at its beginning, the Estenlands started out in the Ukraine before expansion saw the Tsar's rule extending over Russia, Moldova, the Baltic republics, parts of Lavrageria (Belarus), and Kazakhstan, as well as colonial interests. Many of these entities are seperate administrations sharing one monarch, though one assumes that Wingert backs the Holy League and thus his individual kingdoms can be considered part of it.

Franberry: The Progressives Bloc is not a particularly well defined entity, as it does not exist in an official capacity... the term tends to be used quite a bit by Spyr in propaganda, but it is questionable wether Beth Gellert, Neo-Anarchos, or even Hindustan consider themselves members of any such organization. The best definitions of the Bloc tend to come from those who oppose it rather than from the nations that supposedly make it up.

An additional power bloc exists in the Non-Aligned Movement which has seen rebirth in Yugo Slavia, and attracted interest from the African Commonwealth and Lusaka (and even Hindustan). Non-Aligned states can perhaps be seen as seeking to avoid the 'Progressive' label due to the tendency of Holy League, NATO, and other elements to equate states they name as part of the 'Progressive Bloc' with revolutionary instability and leftist extremism.

Hostilities bordering on war have existed for some time between the Holy League and 'Progressive Bloc' states, though until recently no major combat theatres had been opened. Technically recent League actions on the Iberian peninsula have placed signatories of the NATO treaty at war with France and Spain through a mutual defence clause... as the target of offensive operations inthe Gibraltar, Walmington (Britain) is actively at war with France and Spain. However, Roycelandia seems to have opted out of such action and Quinntonia has yet to state a position, making NATO's current status vis-a-vis the League unclear. The Holy League charter, which if ratified would seem to require membership to join the war with the British (and NATO should that alliance uphold its treaty obligations), still awaits signatures from prominent backer Wingert and his associated kingdoms.

French statements during the conference aimed at ratification of the League charter have been taken by some as a declaration of open war against the nations identified as part of the Progressive Bloc, though Russian efforts seem to be attempting to counter such a position. Meanwhile, Non-Aligned leader Yugoslavia has moved to pre-emptive war with potential League signatory Austria.

Essentially, conflict is escalating, but it is difficult to define it in terms of traditional alliances as most are seeing some members go to war while others support neutrality or even the opposing side.

Spinzania: An active Morocco would be useful, given current roleplay developments... the most important approval for such a claim, however, ought probably come from United Elias, as UE is currently the major political backer/military supplier/economic partner of NPC Morocco.

Other than close ties with Baghdad (particularly the replacement of US aid against Polisario/SADR in RL with equivalent help from UE), AMW's Morocco exists pretty much as it does in RL. Does your claim include any historical alterations or intend any changes in Morocco's current political forms?

Macabees: Italy is indeed difficult... Doomingsland's RP impact on AMW was relatively minimal given the abandonment of several roleplays in northern Africa, so the argument can be made tht it is as easily dismissed as Xiaguo's foray as Germany or the aborted roleplay involving Ghost of the Incas. One might also argue, however, that Italy ough be considered an PC remnant, such as post FRB-Malaya, or an 'involved' NPC such as Vietnam or Morocco.

The latter might be better... the assumption of the state described by Doomingsland in continued existance, providing defensive forces and basing rights, serving as a jumping-off point for any new player of Italy.

Spinzania, yeah, I'd say that you're in pending discussion with United Elias, other than that there seems to be no problem.

It doesn't seem as if there's any major opposition to Fanberry, either, so I'd say that anyone with reservations speak-up ASAP.

If Fanberry's to be a socialist state things could be interesting. They'll have major cause to be hostile to Australasia, which Walmington now considers her number one ally, because until twenty-four years ago Buenos Aires was part of their [proposed] state and is now annexed to Australasia. But as a socialist nation they have at least potential to be friendly with the so-called Progs, who at the moment are in an alliance of convenience with Walmington and Australasia. It may be tempting to grab for Buenos Aires while Australasia is fighting the Holy League, except that Fanberry's nation would never get help from the HL and would at the moment be unlikely to get Prog help. Non-Aligment might be appealing, except that it wouldn't help to get back BA.

As to Italy, I think that I grudgingly have to agree with Spyr. It should be, for now, an involved NPC. The League can use its territory for some operations, but its own forces should be entirely defensive. Perhaps it should even try to limit its involvement further by being a bit difficult about what the League can and can't do with its territory, hoping to avoid turning itself into another theatre in the coming world war, a bit like Franco refusing to let the Nazis use his territory to attack Gibraltar. However, for limited things and confrontation with non-aligned Yugoslavia it seems reasonable enough to Italy co-operate with the League.

After I posted this I had a bad idea for Italy - more a RP idea. As indicated by current posting in the Yugoslavian war thread I'm slowly building up forces in northern Italy for potential defensive operations in Austria or Switzerland, or offensive operations in Yugoslavia itself. Spain, currently, is under the same problem Italy was during the Second World War - we have a megolomaniac of a ruler that thinks he can put the entirety of non-allied Europe under his fist. Now, this isn't to say that we're like Hitler - in other words, we don't juggle what's best insofar. We're like Il Duce - we like to prove ourselves because we are nothing better than the 2nd best in Europe [after France]. That said, it would only make sense that Phillip concoct such a plan for the annexation of Italy under the justification to the HL that "it need to reaffirm Italy's continued neutrality/friendliness". Now, the question is whether you think it's realistic that the plan actually be carried out. The idea was to use the troops currently there under the impression of stopping Yugoslavia to launch a suprise campaign into Rome to usurp the current Caesar, and launch simultanuous suprises into Italian army bases to make sure they do not have a chance to deploy and cause problems. This, of course, would happen after the war with Yugoslavia, when enough Spanish troops were deployed to stop the offensive, or fail to stop the offensive - either way.

It would be something akin to Italy's invasion of Greece, except 'we're already there'. Potentially harmful for the HL at that - given that I'm stretching out Spanish forces that could be best used to defend Spain. We might be conscripting a large army, but even the barrel has its limits.

Mac'; contact me. I think I may just get involved. A Spanish RP with Italy would be very cool, but what might be even more interesting is if the Ottomans get out of their shell and look a bit menacing...a.k.a.; they pretend to do something. I feel like doing more than attending conferences where I have no good opinion to add to. Meh, it's got potential. As I said, contact me, and maybe we can work things out.

No, im RPing Morroco as it is in RL pretty much, except budgetary stuff (im putting lots into defence spending)

Should i start putting together a post about my military buildup?

It doesn't seem as if there's any major opposition to Fanberry, either, so I'd say that anyone with reservations speak-up ASAP.
anybody?



If Fanberry's to be a socialist state things could be interesting. They'll have major cause to be hostile to Australasia, which Walmington now considers her number one ally, because until twenty-four years ago Buenos Aires was part of their [proposed] state and is now annexed to Australasia. But as a socialist nation they have at least potential to be friendly with the so-called Progs, who at the moment are in an alliance of convenience with Walmington and Australasia. It may be tempting to grab for Buenos Aires while Australasia is fighting the Holy League, except that Fanberry's nation would never get help from the HL and would at the moment be unlikely to get Prog help. Non-Aligment might be appealing, except that it wouldn't help to get back BA.

Since the people of Uruguay, BA, and the area above it were conquered, I assume they dont like it very much. (Maybe they do, i dont know) Is there a resistance? or does Australiasia got it under controll? Because people usually dont like beign taken over, and BA would be ridiculously hard to control, that place is overpopulated.

Oh, no, Uruguay and the Brazilian coastal strip were explored by the Walmingtonians and settled by them. The native population, tiny as it was, presumably was wiped out, driven inland, or just swamped by colonials a long time ago. Australia and that territory gained independence at the same time, I gather, and united. When, later, Argentina (or your nation, as it will be) invaded the Falklands, 'Australasia' struck across the border from Uruguay- Buenos Aires and that northeastern part of Argentina is all that's occupied, really. Possibly there's a small Amerindian minority in the other parts that may be unhappy, I don't know. But I'd imagine there might be pro-you elements in Buenos Aires at least.

Oh, no, Uruguay and the Brazilian coastal strip were explored by the Walmingtonians and settled by them. The native population, tiny as it was, presumably was wiped out, driven inland, or just swamped by colonials a long time ago. Australia and that territory gained independence at the same time, I gather, and united. When, later, Argentina (or your nation, as it will be) invaded the Falklands, 'Australasia' struck across the border from Uruguay- Buenos Aires and that northeastern part of Argentina is all that's occupied, really. Possibly there's a small Amerindian minority in the other parts that may be unhappy, I don't know. But I'd imagine there might be pro-you elements in Buenos Aires at least.
Ah, so Uruguay has always been "Australasian" or part of Walmington
But the Argentine territories were not?

I believe that's it, yes.

I believe that's it, yes.
very well

so do you people now vote me in/out? or what happens?

Is Switzerland an NPC?

Some of us thought that it had reverted to NPC, but no, the player just returned to declare war on Yugoslavia. Abream, is it?

Yes Fran, that means your're in.

Is Switzerland an NPC?

Switzerland is being played. However, I believe you have three or four votes now, which means, IIRC, you made it through the rigorous [saracsm] entrance exam.

Yes Fran, that means your're in.
sweeet

I may have my factbook up today (but dont count on it)
also, don't expect anythign tommorow (World Cup)
Defenetly up by Saturday

I'd like to, if possible, reserve A little strip of territory for myself - namely Malta, Crete, Gravdos, the Dodecanese Islands, and Cyprus - under the name "Inumenes Politeies tis Malta Kriti Dodekanisa kai Kypros" or the United States of Malta, Crete, the Dodecanese, and Cyprus. I'm not sure if some of these territories are taken, so I will refrain from pressing this any further until someone confirms that they aren't.

If they aren't, they will be by the end of the week with the war currently raging in Europe and the Mediterranean...

I'd like to, if possible, reserve A little strip of territory for myself - namely Malta, Crete, Gravdos, the Dodecanese Islands, and Cyprus - under the name "Inumenes Politeies tis Malta Kriti Dodekanisa kai Kypros" or the United States of Malta, Crete, the Dodecanese, and Cyprus. I'm not sure if some of these territories are taken, so I will refrain from pressing this any further until someone confirms that they aren't.

I would say you should go as fast as you can, no cup of joe and crackers with the war brewing those islands will probably be snapped up like cupcakes.


In a sweep of the parliament the Austrian Chancellor, Maxen von Bismarck, long thought to be the true power behind the government was proposed to be the new Monarch of Austria, which coincedentally will be the title. New powers were granted to the new position which include vast powers unseen since the days of the Hapsburg......

Just for you guys to know, you know? For any interested party here is Yugoslavian Agression Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485171).

Switzerland is being played. However, I believe you have three or four votes now, which means, IIRC, you made it through the rigorous [saracsm] entrance exam.

I want to buy weaponry from them, ie Mowag Piranhas.

For the Military, do I take the combined current military of the countries I took? And then build it up from there?

Does United Elias Control Isreal? Because i have an armaments deal for whoever owns it

Does United Elias Control Isreal? Because i have an armaments deal for whoever owns it


No, it was said a couple of pages ago that UE doesn't control Israel - it's just assumed that he has very tight relations with Jerusalem/Tel Aviv, whatever your country recognizes as the capital.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487056
About my military buildup

Factbook shall be up soon, just have a couple questions

1) Is my military based on that of the countries that I controll (until I build it up)
2) Should I join this place? http://s9.invisionfree.com/NS_Modern_World/index.php?act=idx

3) Anyoen have a sample Factbook (this would really help me)

Well, it isn't the best example, and doesn't follow any particular template, but Depkazia's factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474600) like some others turns into a news thread and more of a home-page for my doings in AMW.

You don't have to base your military on anything, so long as it's realistic given your resources and your nation's likely connections. Depkazia's is based on our Soviet legacy (being a mid Asian state, our history has it that we were until the early nineties the Depkazi Soviet Socialist Republic).

Depending on the nature of your nation, you may want to confirm with other players whether they would have supplied you with their equipment, or you may have produced your own, or, yeah, it's pretty free, within reason.

If you choose to make it so, the RL nation(s) that yours replaces don't ever have to existed unless the AMW community tells you that they have a particular history in the group, so their defence history is largely there for you to make-up.

You can join the off-site forum if it's no trouble to you. Not everyone does, but it seems to be a fairly active place. Depkazia isn't really important or coherent enough for it to matter to me :)

Can I use French equipment for my military?

it was quite popular back then

and for the tanks, some kinda-old USA design, that i shall phase out

and marder IFVs

if thats not okay, just say so and i shall change it

and for buying from people, should I request that in their factbooks?

Can I use French equipment for my military?

You should first begin learning the different alliances, and it should be noted that the world is on the verge of the next world war. France is disputably [at least, the most powerful] of the Holy League, which is more or less at war [except Russia, which continues to arm us however] with the Progressive Bloc and once NATO nations [United Kingdom, for one]. Buying from France would effectively isolate you from the Holy League. But then you can trade with France and I :) [Spain].

You should first begin learning the different alliances, and it should be noted that the world is on the verge of the next world war. France is disputably [at least, the most powerful] of the Holy League, which is more or less at war [except Russia, which continues to arm us however] with the Progressive Bloc and once NATO nations [United Kingdom, for one]. Buying from France would effectively isolate you from the Holy League. But then you can trade with France and I :) [Spain].
OOC: It is not nessesaryly new, its mostly old equipment (i think the newest thing in my arsenal is fromt he 90s')

btw
here is my factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487212

very much a work in progress

OOC: It is not nessesaryly new, its mostly old equipment (i think the newest thing in my arsenal is fromt he 90s')

Spare parts will still have to be bought from France, I'd venture to guess.

For anyone who cares; Austria was reformed a little bit ago and in the post(s) I had yet to decide a good name. I think I have it now; The Federacy Of Greater Austria. Which pretty much includes the Mauritas (sp?), Austria, and the dependency Sao Tome and Prinicipe. Another footnot, Austria is now hopefully considered part of The Holy League.

Thats all!

Spare parts will still have to be bought from France, I'd venture to guess.
I belive Israel also has upgrade packs and spare parts available

(if they exsist)

I could laso make "very simmilar" parts and stick them in there

what are the rules on attacking NPC countries?

Uh, Fran? If you mean to attack me in Buenos Aires, do please tell me first. I'm really overextended right now, to the point where I'm not at all sure that I could take anything else.

That you dont.

You find someone to RP them, a la LRR and West Africa, much thanks LRR.

By the way, who are you? Were you approved, what nation are you, an introduction? Thanks,

Uh, Fran? If you mean to attack me in Buenos Aires, do please tell me first. I'm really overextended right now, to the point where I'm not at all sure that I could take anything else.
I wont, youre not an NPC country are you?
I was actually looking towards Bolivia, or the untaken bits of Brazil


and Noval Gaul, I'm the Southern Confederacy, curently run by the Socialist Party, and im not allinged to any specific faction. My territory is Southern South America

Ahh ok theres another thread for that, applying and stating your nation and such.

"Modern World Open to New Members" or some such, you can find it by searching any of our names.

You kind of need to get voted in using a specific example of RP ability.

Ahh ok theres another thread for that, applying and stating your nation and such.

"Modern World Open to New Members" or some such, you can find it by searching any of our names.

You kind of need to get voted in using a specific example of RP ability.
yeah, I was voted in, on this same thread, a page or two before

Where've you been, NG? He's been around for days, discussing his nation, working out the history with Walmington and Australasia, modifying his claim :) We've just sold him some tanks!

Ah, as to attacking NPCs. It can be done, so long as other players agree and everyone's okay with who's playing the NPC country's defence, but it usually is expected to serve a greater purpose in a story, involving other players somehow, such as the Holy League's imperialist rampage which has the whole world in a tizz.

It's not really the done thing for new players to attack NPCs for territorial gain. It can look like an attempt to gobble up a bigger claim than the community would have accepted, you know? Like, in your case, people were okay with you combining Argentia, Chile, and Paraguay, but if you'd tried to add resource-rich Bolivia and massive Brazil as well, people would most probably have said, no, come on, that's too much. People may suspect that the nation of your accepted claim storming in and taking more after that is an attempt to exploit something of a loophole, and probably won't go for it.

However, since Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay were accepted as okay for your claim, I could propose one alternative if you want to RP a campaign of expansion: you could start RPing the confederacy as covering the RL nations of Chile and Argentina (less occupied Buenos Aires), and then invade Paraguay (or even turn Paraguay into some fictional country called Umbongoland or something if you want, it's your territory) if you want to make a story/war out of it.

(Of course it doesn't have to be Paraguay, that was just a suggestion, you could say that half of Chile is an independent nation and then invade that, whatever.)

And you're free to try starting a fight with player-controlled nations right away, if you like.

Basically your excepted claim is X, so you can't just add Y to it after you've been approved only for X, but you can split X up and wreck it or do whatever the hell you like with it :) Later you may get the community to support an interesting idea for an invasion of NPC territory, but for now it's best not to get into that.

I stand corrected, apologies.

Good points, Yugo.

Where've you been, NG? He's been around for days, discussing his nation, working out the history with Walmington and Australasia, modifying his claim :) We've just sold him some tanks!

Ah, as to attacking NPCs. It can be done, so long as other players agree and everyone's okay with who's playing the NPC country's defence, but it usually is expected to serve a greater purpose in a story, involving other players somehow, such as the Holy League's imperialist rampage which has the whole world in a tizz.

It's not really the done thing for new players to attack NPCs for territorial gain. It can look like an attempt to gobble up a bigger claim than the community would have accepted, you know? Like, in your case, people were okay with you combining Argentia, Chile, and Paraguay, but if you'd tried to add resource-rich Bolivia and massive Brazil as well, people would most probably have said, no, come on, that's too much. People may suspect that the nation of your accepted claim storming in and taking more after that is an attempt to exploit something of a loophole, and probably won't go for it.

However, since Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay were accepted as okay for your claim, I could propose one alternative if you want to RP a campaign of expansion: you could start RPing the confederacy as covering the RL nations of Chile and Argentina (less occupied Buenos Aires), and then invade Paraguay (or even turn Paraguay into some fictional country called Umbongoland or something if you want, it's your territory) if you want to make a story/war out of it.

(Of course it doesn't have to be Paraguay, that was just a suggestion, you could say that half of Chile is an independent nation and then invade that, whatever.)

And you're free to try starting a fight with player-controlled nations right away, if you like.

Basically your excepted claim is X, so you can't just add Y to it after you've been approved only for X, but you can split X up and wreck it or do whatever the hell you like with it :) Later you may get the community to support an interesting idea for an invasion of NPC territory, but for now it's best not to get into that.
ahhh, okay

and Yugo, how many M-95's do you think you've delivered to me by now?

Take me, for example. I showed up and within weeks was at war with France. I'm thinking I regret it now, OOC, but it's a done deal. When the **** is UE getting back?! I need my fleet!

Also, if you're willing to put it off for a bit then I'd be happy to RP both the NPC South American nations and the Australasian response. I doubt that we'll stand in your way; it would be base hypocrisy if nothing else. That said, no doubt Sao Paulo (regional capitol) wouldn't be too pleased to hear that a neighbouring nation was expanding its interests nearby.

I was thinking to myself on expansion and imperialism and was thinking.... and thinking... and thinking about the one article that forbades European involvement in the America's. What was it called? I want to say Trueman Doctrine but that was for communism and south-eastern Asia involvement.

Monroe Doctrine... but this is needed:

LA FURIA!!!

http://www.simonlevack.com/spanish%20flag.gif

ahhh, okay

and Yugo, how many M-95's do you think you've delivered to me by now?

Depends. I suppose we've sort of fluid time going on. From Yugoslavia's perspective it's only hours or maybe days since we dispatched the first five tanks, but since less is happening in your part of the world just now you could have had a few more shipments meaning tens of tanks delivered.

So would the Monroe Doctrine still apply? For it as easy to make it and enforce it with no overseas powers anywhere in the America's but in AMW we have Gurguvungunit and the Australian-BA country.

So would the Monroe Doctrine still apply? For it as easy to make it and enforce it with no overseas powers anywhere in the America's but in AMW we have Gurguvungunit and the Australian-BA country.

I believe Australian territory in South America was gained prior to the Monroe Doctrine, which the Monroe Doctrine claims as legal - it was just post-fact that mattered.

So would the Monroe Doctrine still apply? For it as easy to make it and enforce it with no overseas powers anywhere in the America's but in AMW we have Gurguvungunit and the Australian-BA country.
If the monroe doctrine still applies, then the Southern Confederacy does not recognize it

and I assume Australasia won't too, as they have important intrests in the region

and Gurguvungunit, I have no intrest in attacking you any time soon

If the monroe doctrine still applies, then the Southern Confederacy does not recognize it

You know that then means either Quintonnia is going to practice some "walk small but carry a big stick" policy -namely the big stick part-, some European country is going to carry a chunk or two away from your government, or maybe more than one nation attacks you and some more defend and your country turns into a war ground.

So really, if I was a South American country I would be more than hapy to follow the Monroe Doctrine, no matter how bad the Yanquis get you can't disagree on prinicple everything they make.

If the monroe doctrine still applies, then the Southern Confederacy does not recognize it

A bit strange that a South American country is denying a doctrine that protects it.

You know that then means either Quintonnia is going to practice some "walk small but carry a big stick" policy -namely the big stick part-, some European country is going to carry a chunk or two away from your government, or maybe more than one nation attacks you and some more defend and your country turns into a war ground.

So really, if I was a South American country I would be more than hapy to follow the Monroe Doctrine, no matter how bad the Yanquis get you can't disagree on prinicple everything they make.
I dont really see that the Southern Confederacy can be easily beaten

A single nation cannot beat the Confederacy without taking a massive amount of losses. The confederacy si so far from eveyrone (except Australasia) and has a proffessional and powerful army. If it is attacked, invaders wont be fighting conscripts in old tanks, but professional troops in modern weapons systems, and invaders will be far from their main supply.

and I might not recognize it, but the Gringos might

by the way, Austrian Federacy, are you Moorington?

Greetings gentlemen.

I have an interest in playing Germany. I hear it is open. I can give you roleplay examples, here they are:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474205 (End Game: Jagada's Extermination)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481443 (Fourth Chimurenga)

I also roleplayed a Colonial War with The Macabees--but I have since lost the link.

I hope that is good enough. If I am accepted, could I also get a brief overview of Germany's history.

I say Germany really has no history, no one has ever played it seriously if you ask me.

What are your ideas for it and such?

Well, mainly that the First World War (since I guess it didn't happen), that Kaiser didn't have to abdicate the throne and thus the Absolute Monarchy of the Second Reich remained.

Political instability during the 1920s and 1930s gave rise to the ideals of Fascism within the Second Reich. By 1940, with the Kaiser already a staunch oppenet of Capitalism, embraces the ideals of National Socialism--save the rascist qualities of it which he sees as too "narrow-minded", primarily that the Reich shouldn't pick just one peoples to hate--but that they should hate anyone who stood against the Reich with the same kind of fervor that National Socialism would have to the Jews.

This effectively merged the overwhelming Nationalism of the Nazis with the Kaiser, making him an almost divine figure. During the rest of the 20th Century it was primarily strengthening the Monarchy's grip on the people, using the media and a very intelligant public relations department to transform the Second Reich into a modern world power.


This is all of coarse considering World War Two never happens. If you would rather me make a history from there--I shall.

I believe that the World Wars did happen in AMW, though they're already quite different. I'm not sure, off the top of my head, but I think it may be possible to do without Hitler et cetera and change exactly what happened to Germany after her defeats, as other nations were certainly touched quite differently by the wars.

We need to have World War I and II, and I believe the existance of Hitler was vital to the histories of several nations. World War I and II were both cultural watersheds for the rest of the world, and it wouldn't be quite the same if we drastically altered them.

Nobody claimed Persia. Interesante

Is this going to happend again or is it ongoing?

WW1 and WW2 did happen, as close as possible to the real thing, but we could easily say that national Socialism was a hiccup, with Hitler taking power in 1934 through a coup, then leading it into a disastrous war, which led the people to believe in taking back their Kaiser heritage. Of course, the partitioning of Germany after the war is absolutely crucial, as the Soviet Union did exist in pretty much the same way. And that is pretty important to a lot of nations in regards to their histories.
Would that work?

Oh, and FYI, the unification of Germany was not the Second Riech. The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation was.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Oh, yes, was the partition significant? Hm, maybe so.
Maybe most of the differences in WWII are in the Asian theatre, although I feel as if I'm forgetting some important change *strokes chin*

For Spain, Hitler is vital, or else Franco would not have been dictator! Without Franco there would be no 1981 coup [in my version, it actually succeeds, of course].

And for south america......

ummm, we're really far away, not really affected

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Nobody claimed Persia. Interesante

Is this going to happend again or is it ongoing?

If in Persia, you mean Iran, then that's free.

I dont really see that the Southern Confederacy can be easily beaten

A single nation cannot beat the Confederacy without taking a massive amount of losses. The confederacy si so far from eveyrone (except Australasia) and has a proffessional and powerful army. If it is attacked, invaders wont be fighting conscripts in old tanks, but professional troops in modern weapons systems, and invaders will be far from their main supply.

and I might not recognize it, but the Gringos might



Um, Franberry... Roycelandia and France could probably take on the Southern Confederacy as well, if we chose to.

Of course, Roycelandia hasn't annexed much of South America for reasons that have never been really clear, but if your Nation starts getting all uppity and acting like the Big Man on Campus, you're liable to find Dreadnoughts sailing into your major harbours just to prove a point.

Of course, we'd rather be friends with the trade and so on, but you might want to look into AMW's history a bit more... feel free to ask, we're all happy to expand upon it!

I must agree with Royce, (who said that?) your general attitude of being big and tough is probably writing a cheque with your mouth that your body can't cash, so to speak.

WWJD
Amen.

Nazism was vital in allowing the Restoration to take place as well.

I like this guy, I say we should give him a RP example. He seems moderate, but involved. And we really do need a Germany, although its heartening to see Abream (after years?) make a debut as the Swiss again.

My God, AMW is I think the most active its ever been.

Who says you dont need a good bad guy ;). No thanks nessicary.

Heh, calm down, Franberry didn't say he was going to conquer Roycelandia or anything, just implied that his country can fend for itself, and, being as it incorporates Chile and most of Argentina along with Paraguay, I think he's got a tens-of-millions-of-people-on-varied-and-harsh-terrain-with-substantial-natural-resources kind of point.

Royce is just worried because the Southern Confederacy, if it manages to heal old wounds with Britain, can basically stop the imperialists going around the Cape after they've already lost Indian Ocean access and military transit via Panama ;)

I've only had a quick glance, but my impression is that Jagada's probably got what it takes to be a good AMWer. Hopefully Mac can vouch for him as a past RP partner?
Obviously he/we'll have to work out a modern shape of Germany after the wars, but that should hopefully be manageable.

Anyway, yes, it does seem hard to deny that the level of activity prompted by, erm, conflict has increased AMW's profile a little!

We need to have World War I and II, and I believe the existance of Hitler was vital to the histories of several nations. World War I and II were both cultural watersheds for the rest of the world, and it wouldn't be quite the same if we drastically altered them.

Agree with AC (Tsarsist Russia Player) and all the rest;

Cough cough, I am the Austrian player and still need WWI and WWII, I could drop WWI and say the Hapsburg struggled on losing territory to insurrections and so forth until only controlling Austria but then it would be hard to explain why the -former- Austrian part of Tranyslavannia was given to Romania -I think it was-. So I wouldn't want you jumping over to see how WWI could be changed.

WWII is more important as then it gives the Austrians much more rightous anger with their nationlism movement, and beside, its W-W-Number Dous!

To finally see the gigantic whole called Germany finally taken would be great, now with Abream back it seems like Europe only has a couple NPC's instead of a continent of them.

For Jagada (When you get accepted)-

Sadly, Austria is a devote capitalist nation that since the lows of the economic reccesion post Cold War has had a nationlist party seize the reigns of the parliament and Chancellory with the recent appointment of a new Monarch who is the Chancellor -Maxen von Bismarck-. The Prime Minister has been reduced to more of a advisor, this was done in acordance with acceptance into The Holy League (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=480780).

The Austrian Federacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447224)still would like shipments of Pwk 2000's and LKE ammunition even though the recent change over of Giat Company has almost fixed the
problem.

End of little run by-

The best way to get in is stay active and just get in the door, once your in it takes a lot more to get out to the street again, yet you are asking for Germany so maybe a litle more than me and Abream's level of participation is needed.

Um, Franberry... Roycelandia and France could probably take on the Southern Confederacy as well, if we chose to.

Of course, Roycelandia hasn't annexed much of South America for reasons that have never been really clear, but if your Nation starts getting all uppity and acting like the Big Man on Campus, you're liable to find Dreadnoughts sailing into your major harbours just to prove a point.

Of course, we'd rather be friends with the trade and so on, but you might want to look into AMW's history a bit more... feel free to ask, we're all happy to expand upon it!
What I said, was that in a defensive war, I have a good chance of winning
Im quite far from most peoples main supply bases, my territory is vast, and I've got a reasonably good military

I din't say I was the big tough guy, if anything, now im prbly amaong the weakest.

And I be more thanb happy to be friends with my latin american brothers

Well Europeans are more into getting smaller territories anyhow, like the Galapogos! Well anyhow, invasion is hated in the higher circles, Dollo Diplomacy is much better.

Regardless, France, would you consider Austria buying Reunioun Island (Off Madagascar) from you?

I think that may already have gone to Roycelandia, Austria, I'm not sure.

If not, it's almost certainly about to be captured, anyway, and it might be best not to have your fingerprints on it when the Africans land.

Er, not that the Tanzanians are in a position to arrest Austria or anything.

<QUOTE>Royce is just worried because the Southern Confederacy, if it manages to heal old wounds with Britain, can basically stop the imperialists going around the Cape after they've already lost Indian Ocean access and military transit via Panama <QUOTE>

I shoudl probably mention that Royce has full and completely free military access to the Panama Canal as a NATO ally. All NATO allies do, Britian had it before he pulled out and even though Canada is an NPC, they still have it.

WWJD
Amen.

According to the front page, South Africa is still free, but the nations-taken page hasn't been updated for six weeks. Is that still so? And, if it is, might I perchance join AMW as SA?

South Africa is indeed free.

It has some connection to the other nations of the Sub Saharan African region, so actually has to have some basis in relation to the real RSA, but if you can put forward some idea of what you'd like to do with it, South Africa may finally get its own player.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=487353

My fleet buildup

I guess that Galapogoes Island comment you took to heart....

Um, ive realised what a terrible situation im in economically, would it be possible for me to create a union between Morroco and Mauritania peacefully? It would allow me to actually do something, having something to develop my economy with

Well...I don't see why not. Foreign investment and good economic management could improve your economy just as well, however.

Alrighty, ladies and gents. Now that Wingert has returned (ALL HAIL THE TSAR! Ahem.) and the Philippines have settled down, I think I’m finally free to take up my own RPing opportunities. I’ve had a few ideas floating around in my head, and I’ll lay ‘em out for you so I you can tell me what you think.

Idea 1: An absolute Communist state. I was thinking (Armand? Thinking? Shocking, yes, I know) a while back about the nature of AMW during one of my daily runs. As my feet slapped across the pavement, my mind came upon the interesting paradox known as Beth Gellert. We all know and love BG for being AMW’s resident ultra Communist—he’s widely acknowledged as the most left wing member of AMW.

But…BG’s not really Communist. Not fully, anyhow.

Allow me to explain. If you look at the ferocious, arrogant, and determined warrior culture of Beth Gellert, it’s very individualistic. The economy and political system may be that of a commune, but socially Beth Gellert is not Communist. The word “commune” implies total unity, harmony, and cooperation. But Beth Gellert, like any healthy democracy, has plenty of rowdy debate and disagreement.

But what if there existed a society that didn’t? What if there was a nation whose culture and very way of life fostered homogeneity, group think, and an almost hive like mentality? Where all are unified in purpose, thought, and emotion, due to the crushing pressures of society around them?

That’s the society I propose to create. The first truly Communist nation. The economy would be run along the lines of the Bedgellen one, with democratically controlled companies sharing the benefits equally, except with even more levels of income equality (There are no wages, in fact, because Cooperative Units live, dine, and work together. Everything is owned collectively.) and more of a streamlined national structure. Individual Cooperative Units are assigned tasks by Regional Cooperation Centers, which are assigned tasks by the National one. Theoretically, Cooperatives are allowed to petition, but due to the single minded nature of society, it never happens. I’ll go into more detail if this nation is chosen.

Idea 2 : Conservative Eastern European democracy. Personally, this is the idea that I’m least passionate about, because although the ideals of Conservative Democracy are close to my heart as is Eastern Europe, I’ve sort of already done this before with Russia. However, there is a clear need for someone to RP a lot of the Eastern European nations, and a lack of Conservative Democratic strength in the world, so I’ll leave it on the table.

Idea 3 : Nutcase Monarchy in Sweden (with possible other nations in it.). This idea is a little…different. I’ve always wanted to role play a nation that was funny and odd, and this one would be very much so. AMW has had rulers that were batsh*t insane before, yes, but never have we had an entire nation that was off kilter. The country would be ruled by a morbidly obese, horrifically ugly, pigtailed middle aged woman who’s royal attire consists of a sports bra and liederhosen. She rules the nation with a mix of odd humor and paranoia. Example: The country has been incredibly militarized ever since the Beatles were hailed as “the British invasion” and a standing army (bedecked in camo uniforms resembling Michael Jackson’s wardrobe) still awaits an onslaught of mop haired young men. The national greeting is a crotch grab, which is due to the fact that the country’s women are so horribly ugly that it’s hard to tell them apart from the men. Liederhosen remains all the rage, and Disco music is pumped from government owned loud speakers. The economy is extremely capitalist, with a not insignificant portion of the nation income created by E-Bay sales of goods. (All exports are carried out through E-bay) The military is surprisingly competent, although training takes longer due to training for certain irrelevant skills the Queen finds necessary, such as breakdancing and yodeling. The country is well known for researching alternate and unique weapons technology (they are world leaders for the production biological weaponry) and I would hope to make them the world’s test bed for technologies deemed potentially valuable but too risky to try out in any sane nation’s military. The list goes on and on…

Idea 4: Big Sister totalitarian state. This would be the stereotypical 1984 like state, except taken to more of an extreme. Every aspect of daily life is controlled, from minor things like breakfast and exercise to who reproduces with whom. (Which is done by artificial insemination, by the way.) Additionally, the state would revolve around the figure of the Big Sister, and society itself would be female dominated. Crime and rebellion is unheard of, as rigorous psychological testing roots out “undesirables” from an early age, and anyone deemed “a risk factor” is promptly sent for re-education.


These are just some rough sketches for potential nations. If you like any of the ideas, tell me so, or if you hate them all and have an idea of your own, tell me that as well.

Well...I don't see why not. Foreign investment and good economic management could improve your economy just as well, however.

I don't see how an economic union between relatively prosperous Morocco and Mauritaina, a basket case, would improve anything...

Mauretania has a massive amount of natural resources that would be very useful in developing my economy

I'd have thought you'd be initially more interested in the Western Sahara and the large influx of Saharawi and recent foreign interest in the Polisario. Isn't resources (phosphates?) at the core of Morocco's involvement in that region? Hm.


Ah, Armand, good to see a spreading of AMW's wealth of veteran players. They all read like ideas with their own appeal.

The Sweden one made me grin a few times, but if it were me I would worry about how it'd play in the long term, and whether I could ever take myself seriously, so I see pros and cons for that one.

To start with I thought that the first idea was going to make me apologise for letting Dra-pol stew on the back-burner for so long and remind everyone that we do have that kind of 'communist' but then I gathered that you didn't quite mean that ;) Also sounds interesting in being somewhat... searching. I mean, I'd imagine the nation throwing up lots of questions over time as you try to figure out how such an unusual society would handle various challenges, which may be stimulating. Though I've not done much with Dra-pol lately, I did spend many interesting months trying to think for a society that worked in a way quite different from... my own head, I suppose. And I'll probably go back to it, soon (but busy with Walmington at the moment!).

The conservative democracy one is sort of safe, and gives lots of scope for positioning yourself in relation to other nations, being potentially able to court more than one faction, but you don't want to get invested in something if you're just going to end up feeling a little trapped or bored. Although in that case I suppose you could always have a revolution/restoration in time.

Idea 4 does sound more like Dra-pol (only with less gender equality). There's certainly a lot of fun to be had in that, if it is done well and in detail. However, from my own experience -and I think this has in the past frustrated you about Dra-pol- there is a serious danger of inflexible introspection. It can be hard to relate with other nations and characters on more than a few very basic levels without breaking character.

In the end, though, even if I weren't so indecisive myself, I'd not be keen to advise you one way or another. Do something that you'll enjoy in the long-run, and will keep giving you ideas even weeks and months from now. Whatever it be, I'm sure you'll put a lot of detail into it, so, ah, good luck deciding, and we'll see you in some form or other.

Im moving on Polisario controlled Western Sahara within the week, whenever i get around to it. The problem is i dont really have the firepower to take Mauretania without a long and costly war

Well...I don't see why not. Foreign investment and good economic management could improve your economy just as well, however.

(Looks rich, open for investment oppurtunities, and a good nation to get monetary aid and cash flow from)



Just a question, where are the Ma-something-s? Are they the islands of the coast of Madagascar? Since, I think, I like- own them. If not then somene needs to get a fun little map with a big neon sign saying " The Ma-somthing-s are here!".

Little post - moved from news thread, since I know all of you guys read it -


Now not to many people realy care about our little bit of Africa but obviously our Chancellor does. In his speech today - see bottom of article for exerpt and news thread for ful speech - he has increased the troop presence double. While most people would think this cruel, I highly doubt anything inhuman will come out of this. Only a little boost to the lagging economy and maybe a rise in some undersiable buisness ventures and increase in birth rates. Nothing I would consider horriably wrong......


......boosting of Austrian forces on the Mauritas from 2,000 personnel up to 5,000 which includes 20 Leopard's from Spain, 40 of the older 80 and 100 milimeter models of the Dpkz (240 men), a shipment of ultra-heavy 250 millimeter shore cannons (5) and people to man them (50 men) and 2400 "newbies" fresh from the recruitment offices. 10 men are on leave and/or unable to travel.

Could someone post a good list of the current alliances and alingments?

as well as who is against who?

That would really help and would be very apreciated

Long version first, shaky attempt to sum-up at the bottom.

African National Pact (ANP)

If you don't mind, I'll just introduce your to this group, since my nation is a founding part of it. Few new players of late, so this is the ANP for you:

The United African Republics (their people sometimes collectively known as the Lusakans, after the city in which their revolt against Roycelandian occupation began, in conjunction with anti-British and Portuguese rebels), being my nation, consists of Zambia, Tanzania, and recently-annexed Zimbabwe. Along with the African Commonwealth (Congo Zaire, part of Congo Brazaville, Rwanda, Burundi), the UAR completes the African National Pact, or ANP. Angola and Middle Congo are considered to be within AC's sphere of influence, and the Republic of Gabon is protected by the ANP (western Gabon was annexed to Roycelandia, the east survives independent).

Mozambique is split, with the central part being the RENAMO-controlled Free State, and the northern and southern parts FRELIMO-controlled Commonwealth. Strathdonia has annexed part of the west, and maintains sea-access through the middle. The UAR is backing FRELIMO against RENAMO in an attempt to quash the Free State and possibly bring Mozambique into the ANP, or possibly even the UAR itself.

The UAR is described as African socialist, and different states take different views on whether or not it is democratic. The AC is more capitalistic, and used to be very authoritarian but has relaxed somewhat in recent years.

The ANP generally tries to be quite non-aligned, but it is clearly biased towards the left bloc, largely because everyone else would rather re-establish colonies over the ANP nations. The Soviets actually maintain a military base on Zanzibar island, and the UAR declared war on France after its invasion of the ECOWAS nations.

The UAR is committed to African liberation, and doesn't put much stock in the sovereignty of African nations, viewing most to be the result of imperialism and neo-colonialist corruption. However, it will always help African peoples to resist European and other oppression. The AC is probably less idealistic and more opportunistic, and it is hard to say how strong the ANP's internal ties really are. Both nations trade heavily with Yugoslavia, and the UAR is a major supplier of metal ores to India (and, recently, of tea to the British!).

The Holy League

France is typically regarded as the head of this almost universally loathed organisation of autocratic, imperialist Catholic and Orthodox nations. France has invaded Algeria, and recently launched an assault on the ECOWAS nations (normally NPC nations which LRR is looking after), and in the past established a hostile military presence in the Philippines, conducted piracy against international commerce in the Pacific and Indian Oceans and surrounding seas, joined in the invasion of Lavrageria (Belarus) where it demonstrated a willingness to level cities, and did the same in Gibraltar. French agents were captured in Yugoslavia after the assassination of Prime Minister Gukov, a refugee from Lavrageria. The French state also executed the Protestant former Crown Prince of South India without trial, for a crime committed by his son. In addition to illegal invasions, carpet bombing, extra-judicial execution, assassination, and other crimes, the French state is known to use torture and brainwashing against enemies of the king.

The Russian Empire has the potential to be the League's bigshot, but often seems to toe a French line. However, the Russo-Ukrainian power has annexed half of Lavrageria (half remains independent but isolated), the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, Kazakhstan, and Moldova. It backed a coup in Nigeria and established a protectorate over that nation.

Spain has recently joined the League and gained its support for the bloody invasions of Gibraltar and Portugal.

Italy was a member of the HL, but is now an NPC state assumed to be passively complicit in League operations.

Depkazia (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan), run by the biggest crackpot going, recently moved to join the League, despite having a population mostly comprised of atheists and Muslims, but a coup attempt is under-way while the leader is in Rome talking about membership of the HL.

Roycelandia is not a member of the Holy League, but is an ally of France and has supplied the bomber aircraft that flattened Gibraltar. The Empire took posession of French Polynesia in return for helping the French militarily, and now counts the Philippines as an associated Commonwealth, though virtually no nation outside the HL recognises this as legitimate. Roycelandia controls Southern Algeria and part of Nigeria in association with the HL. Roycelandia draws much of its strength from a long-standing colony covering Kenya, Uganda, and the Sudan. The Indian outpost of Goa is now a centre of tension as the Soviets are demanding that Roycelandia leave the sub-continent.

Austria almost joined the League, and is now in limbo, invaded by Yugoslavia and unsure of which way to associate itself. Left-wing powers are opposed to Austria's current government but quite dismissive of its influence.

NATO

Formed by the United States of Quinntonia (America), Roycelandia, Hudecia (Canada, now NPC), and The British Federation (UK, now Walmington), this was supposed to be a defensive alliance, but started to fall apart when Hudecia became introspective and Roycelandia aided Britain's enemies. There may be some move to restore the alliance in some practical form, but at the moment it only serves to draw the US towards war with nations that oppose Roycelandia's aid to the HL. If India, China, the British, the Japanese, and others all end up fighting the League, it is hard to imagine the US maintaining obligations to Roycelandia's empire, but you never can tell.

There is no formal alliance of left-wing and other nations.

A confusing mess of wars and other armed conflicts

France and Spain are at war with Britain, Australasia, (and I think) the Indian National Union and Strathdonia (Malawi).

France is at war with the ECOWAS nations, namely Benin, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Sierra Leone, and Togo (Cape Verde, I think, is in Roycelandian hands, and Nigeria is in Roycelandian/Russian control).

The United African Republics, namely Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe, have also declared war on France in support of ECOWAS.

The Indian Soviet Commonwealth is I think essentially in undeclared war with France, and possibly all of the Holy League. It is on the brink of war with Roycelandia.

Spyr and I think Sujava (essentially Sumatra and Java) now treat ships under the French flag as pirates.

China is involved militarily in support of the anti-League coup in Depkazia, which could cause conflict with Russia.

Yugoslavia (inclusive of Bulgaria) is at war with Austria and Switzerland, apparently because it felt threatened by the possibility of Austria joining the Holy League.

The United African Republics, the Indian National Union, and others are possibly moving to war with Austria over its attempt to maintain authority over minor overseas territories.

Depkazia and North Pakistan invaded Afghanistan, and the status of this conflict is uncertain in light of the Depkazi coup attempt.

Essentially, France is attacking everyone weaker than herself, as Russia has already done, and Spain is now starting to join in. Roycelandia does the same, but diplomatic technicalities have made it harder for the world to act against Roycelandia. The Soviets are fast losing patience with what they appear to see as red tape. The biggest single fight is France & Spain vs. Britain & Australasia.

I'm sorry that it's still so confusing: that's all Roycelandia's fault ;)