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Side note: thread post 1000

Well, here's what I'll do:

I'm going to add territorial claims as fairly as I can, since I didn't update the map for one month and I don't want to hold back nations because of it. I will post it as a "preliminary" map- if anyone has any disagreements regarding it, let me know.

Thanks.

New map:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficial.JPG

A note: there are some white areas left- I'm going to telegram the inactive colonies asking them if they still want to participate and, if so, if they want any of that land. If not, I'll give it up to the rest of you.

By the way, would anyone object to seperate OOC and IC threads?

OOC: No arguement on the separation. 1000 posts in one thread - I think you have a winner here, RomeW!

I think this thread, other than the stickies, is the longest serving thread in International Incidents. I could be wrong, but I'm happy it got this far.

I realized just a few days ago why there are supposed to be "IC" and "OOC" threads- keep them in the same thread and they just confuse everything. Although it does make finding things easier.

The telegrams to the inactive users have been sent.

Isochronous wishes to seize some land.

OOC: No arguement on the separation. 1000 posts in one thread - I think you have a winner here, RomeW!

Good stuff RomeW good excuse for a piss up

newspaper story released in both New Shiron and New Kern

"today, the Queen herself addressed parliament and she was clearly angry.

We have attempted to negotiate with Morathania and they have finally deigned to reply to us. They insist that because they are a larger nation than our Dominion New Kern, and indeed, the entire Empire, that they have more rights than we do. We asked for an equal share of the failed colony of Bennetone and instead, they offer us crumbs. Never mind that they already control an area larger than anyone elses on that continent, or indeed, bigger than many areas combined, they insist that they are entitled to more simply because they are bigger than anyone else.

So now we see the true colors of Moranthia. They obviously seek to control all of it in the end. To demonstrate to the world how they have treated us, my Minister of State is releasing to the world the authenticated copies and the original note given to us by their ambassador today.

So that the world and their neighbors should know their true intent.

ooc (pasted the text of a telegram sent by Moranthania below)
am not splitting Bennetone 50/50. It is an insult to say that my nation, which is larger, economically more powerful and has a larger military, should split it evenly with you. While we mean no disrespect we would like to reiterate that Morathania has been on the continent longer than your nation and has ammassed more military assets in the area. Thus I am willing to give you 15-20 percent of the present territory of Bennetone but I cannot agree to such an offer that would put my nation at the same level as yours. Does China have to bow before Switzerland, I think not, that is why it would be disrespectful and insulting for a nation that is not my equal to have an equal share of the land. I offer you 15% of the current Bennetonian territory. Keep in mind that you are dealing with a well respected and large nation. I will not be willing to give you any more than 20%. If I do give you 20% of Bennetone then you will have to pay me a lump sum of 650,000,000 USD. Thank you.

OOC (now a real diplomatic note like this would be full of diplomatic phrases etc but this will do)


IC
Shortly after the Queens address, the Minister of State, Lord Harrington agreed to sit for an interview (excerpts below)

"I mean no disrespect. That is what that note says. Have you ever seen such an obvious lie. They belittle us, and all nations like us. Truly who is being disrespectful and insulting here!"

the Governors office released a statement today regarding the implied threats from Moranthia

"I refuse to accept such demands, and I know our people won't either. As far as I am concerned, we are going to move into the southern half of the former land of Bennetone as planned, and if Moranthia refuses to accept our plans, well, they will just have to drive us out.

Then the world will see who is truly the aggressor."

OOC
Yep, Moranthia will definitely win a fight eventually, but its a REALLY long way from their principal economic and manufacturing centers to Bennetome. They are far more powerful, and would certainly win a war with us. BUt nevertheless, just like Belguim did in World War I, New Kern and New Shiron will fight to defend their rights... and hope somebody rescues us too.

20 000 colonialists, 5 000 engineers, a full regiment of infantry and supporting division of tanks, bulldozers and general construction equipment left the shores of mainland kiwipeso last week under cover of darkness.

It is rumored that the colonists are going to exploit the north of the kiwipeso spaceport claim for it's potent Ganja Weed and develop anti-psychotic drugs from the calming effect it has.

Other sources claim that the spaceport will be expanded to handle the extra traffic generated by the availability of spaceflight hirage. With a trip to orbital space costing just 1 000 G¢ it is hoped that many rich people will put off buying a luxury car and go to space for a stay in the kiwipeso orbital hotel.

(ooc: Kiwipeso, does that mean you're abandoning your colony?)

I do not want a war. My choice was that you would be able to recieve 20% of Bennetone. If you want you may purchase more but I am not willing to give any more than 28% of Bennetone to you. Your threats mean nothing. If you attack me you will be attacking NATO, the Victoria Alliance and The Commonwealth of Nations along with other nations who are friends and allies of Morathania. You will also be facing the 1.2 million men and two fleets currently in the Colony of Vandalia along with a total of 650,000 Vandalian Militia. I would suggest that you cease your threats against Morathania immediately or face a nation with a long military record and very good forces. Morathanian troops have already begun to move into Bennetone and will take 75% of the former claim as is acceptable to our government. If New Shiron, et al., attack any Morathanian forces that would be grounds of war and as such would get an immediate response from NATO, the Victoria Alliance and the Commonwealth of Nations. I am not the agressor here. I am not the one making threats. All I am stating is Morathanian military power and our desire to take no less than 75% of the Bennetone claim.

OOC: Its Morathania. Learn how to spell it before you denounce me. Also here are a few statistics on the Morathanian military:
Army
4.1 Million men (including support personnel) Active
32,350,000 Reserves
46,000,000 Homeland Guard

Navy
1400 ships

Air Force
5500 Operational Aircraft (Including Supply and Cargo Aircraft)

Nuclear
2900 Operational Nuclear Weapons (An estimate I have only once used Nuclear weapons and have never developed an accurate count)

Just FYI.

Along way from my manufacturing centers. Come on, over the course of the colony I have built airports and docks to help in transporting troops and equipment. Also their is a heavy manufacturing sector in Vandalia and Vandalia is the leading producer of Oil in Morathania. And also its not like your homeland is a hop skip and a jump away. You'll be facing even worse problems. Also why the hell do you think I want to go to war. I hate war RPs and have never been the aggresor in any military conflict. I would've hated to see if you were president of the United States during the Cold War. One wrong communique and you would be pushing the red button. Don't lecture me about supply lines and war. I know enough. But obviously you need to know whats an actual threat and what is political leverage. Also stop PUPPETWANKING. If you don't know what that is PUPPETWANKing is using puppets, nations that you control, to work together in a war. You cannot have your main country go to war and then have your puppet support you. Thats PUPPETWANKing.

ooc: havn't been around lately... anything happened?


The Bonstocknian colony, having been hit by a recent expansion of population, starts to move out into the interior of the continent, to the north and west. Small bands of trekkers and their familys ride in jeeps into the new hinterland, and start to set up homes and farms.

One day, however, a farmer walks on his property, and sees a pool of black liquid on the surface. He examines it closely, and then calls an engineer.

Word gets out quickly. "BLACK GOLD!" screams the Port Yuko Times in Bonstock proper. Millions of out of work computer programmers start pouring into the colony.

OOC: Rescue you from what? Me using the few bits of leverage that I have so that my nation can get a bigger piece of the pie? Last time I checked stating that you are larger, have more experience, a better economy, and a better strategic position on the Continent, are not the grounds for war. As I have said before Morathania never searchs for war. In any real world scenario I would be able to press my advatages to better my diplomatic advantage. Is that insulting? Getting the best for my country? All I implied was that you nation was smaller and had a worse economy than my nation. You know what, its true. All I was doing was stating facts. Your going to war because I stated facts. I said I was larger than you. Fact. I stated that I was more economically powerful than you. Fact. I stated that I have a larger colony than you. Fact. I stated that I have a more strategic position on the continent and that I control a large portion of the continent. Fact. In conclusion I was stating facts for political leverage in negotiations that I thought were going to take place via TG. What I didn't know was that people are too touchy and take everything the wrong way. You can wait all you want but you wont be attacked by Morathania.

I do not want a war. My choice was that you would be able to recieve 20% of Bennetone. If you want you may purchase more but I am not willing to give any more than 28% of Bennetone to you. Your threats mean nothing. If you attack me you will be attacking NATO, the Victoria Alliance and The Commonwealth of Nations along with other nations who are friends and allies of Morathania. You will also be facing the 1.2 million men and two fleets currently in the Colony of Vandalia along with a total of 650,000 Vandalian Militia. I would suggest that you cease your threats against Morathania immediately or face a nation with a long military record and very good forces. Morathanian troops have already begun to move into Bennetone and will take 75% of the former claim as is acceptable to our government. If New Shiron, et al., attack any Morathanian forces that would be grounds of war and as such would get an immediate response from NATO, the Victoria Alliance and the Commonwealth of Nations. I am not the agressor here. I am not the one making threats. All I am stating is Morathanian military power and our desire to take no less than 75% of the Bennetone claim.

OOC: Its Morathania. Learn how to spell it before you denounce me. Also here are a few statistics on the Morathanian military:
Army
4.1 Million men (including support personnel) Active
32,350,000 Reserves
46,000,000 Homeland Guard

Navy
1400 ships

Air Force
5500 Operational Aircraft (Including Supply and Cargo Aircraft)

Nuclear
2900 Operational Nuclear Weapons (An estimate I have only once used Nuclear weapons and have never developed an accurate count)

Just FYI.

Along way from my manufacturing centers. Come on, over the course of the colony I have built airports and docks to help in transporting troops and equipment. Also their is a heavy manufacturing sector in Vandalia and Vandalia is the leading producer of Oil in Morathania. And also its not like your homeland is a hop skip and a jump away. You'll be facing even worse problems. Also why the hell do you think I want to go to war. I hate war RPs and have never been the aggresor in any military conflict. I would've hated to see if you were president of the United States during the Cold War. One wrong communique and you would be pushing the red button. Don't lecture me about supply lines and war. I know enough. But obviously you need to know whats an actual threat and what is political leverage. Also stop PUPPETWANKING. If you don't know what that is PUPPETWANKing is using puppets, nations that you control, to work together in a war. You cannot have your main country go to war and then have your puppet support you. Thats PUPPETWANKing.

The Minister of War, Matt Ridgeway at a news conference today

"The Dominion of New Kern II was founded by the Kingdom of New Shiron and as such is considered that national territory of New Shiron for all purposes of defense. We do not seek war, but we are not going to sit idly by when a large nation threatens a small one when neither nation involved has a actual right under god for the territory in question. Not to long ago Morathania's borders were hundreds of miles from the land in question, while New Kern was right next door. Now, Morathania, having expanded south, demands nearly 80% of the land it clearly doesn't need, and points how mighty its military is."

OOC
First of all, New Shiron started in the thread, was given the space for the colony, and created the colony. SO IT IS THE NATION INVOLVED.

New Kern was created as a nation for story telling purposes only, and is not a factor in the military equation. So although it is a puppet nation, it isn't really New Kern you are dealing with, and I am well aware of however far New Shiron is from Manium (in the vague scale of Nationstates, it could be on the other side of the Ring World or Multiverse or what have to hold 900,000 nations).

Your latest telegram to me was pretty petulant, so let me lay it out.

I as a player am under no obligation to defer to you, and neither are you as a player under any obligation to defer to me. We have a war only if we agree to RP it, everything that happens is subject to agreement, otherwise, one or the other stops playing in that thread eventually.

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong for a relatively small state (New Shiron compared to Morathania) screaming rape to the world when a larger state threatens it or even thwarts it wishes.

It happens all the time in the real world, the UN and International Court in the Hague or full of examples.

As far as logistics are concerned, there are no functioning ports in Bennetone, no roads anywhere, no airports other than what have been hurriedly built and no rail lines. So how exactly is your mass of divisions going to be supplied in this wilderness? I at best can support light troops in the southern region with limited air drops and creating a Ho Chi Minh type trail of porters in the wilderness until roads can be built.

I am not threatening you, I am stating that we intend to move into the southern half of that area and make you drive us out. Hardly a threat to your national intergrity

Morathania, New Shiron, please keep this civil. I don't want a flamewar to develop.

Anyway, the update:

Kleptonis and Holy Panooly are OUT. Nations wishing to enter the thread may claim either of those colonies.

AfrikaZKorps is also gone, but he says he'd like to donate his colony to either Praetonia or Hamptonshire.

Falastur, Nycton and Draganovia are IN.

Raginsheep, Vistadin and Cullenus have yet to get back to me- I'll give them a week otherwise their colonies are gone.

OOC: Rescue you from what? Me using the few bits of leverage that I have so that my nation can get a bigger piece of the pie? Last time I checked stating that you are larger, have more experience, a better economy, and a better strategic position on the Continent, are not the grounds for war. As I have said before Morathania never searchs for war. In any real world scenario I would be able to press my advatages to better my diplomatic advantage. Is that insulting? Getting the best for my country? All I implied was that you nation was smaller and had a worse economy than my nation. You know what, its true. All I was doing was stating facts. Your going to war because I stated facts. I said I was larger than you. Fact. I stated that I was more economically powerful than you. Fact. I stated that I have a larger colony than you. Fact. I stated that I have a more strategic position on the continent and that I control a large portion of the continent. Fact. In conclusion I was stating facts for political leverage in negotiations that I thought were going to take place via TG. What I didn't know was that people are too touchy and take everything the wrong way. You can wait all you want but you wont be attacked by Morathania.

OOC
I have no obligation to keep negotiations private if it doesnt suit my national interest

Morathania, New Shiron, please keep this civil. I don't want a flamewar to develop.

Anyway, the update:

Kleptonis and Holy Panooly are OUT. Nations wishing to enter the thread may claim either of those colonies.

AfrikaZKorps is also gone, but he says he'd like to donate his colony to either Praetonia or Hamptonshire.

Falastur, Nycton and Draganovia are IN.

Raginsheep, Vistadin and Cullenus have yet to get back to me- I'll give them a week otherwise their colonies are gone.


what about Zaktar? I got the impression from earlier threads that they were extraterristrial (aliens or humans, I forget which, but definitely not of this earth)

Kiwipeso asked about them too

what about Zaktar? I got the impression from earlier threads that they were extraterristrial (aliens or humans, I forget which, but definitely not of this earth)

Kiwipeso asked about them too

Zaktar also did not get back to me- I'm going to wait for a bit to see if he does.

Morathania, New Shiron, please keep this civil. I don't want a flamewar to develop.

Anyway, the update:

Kleptonis and Holy Panooly are OUT. Nations wishing to enter the thread may claim either of those colonies.

AfrikaZKorps is also gone, but he says he'd like to donate his colony to either Praetonia or Hamptonshire.

Falastur, Nycton and Draganovia are IN.

Raginsheep, Vistadin and Cullenus have yet to get back to me- I'll give them a week otherwise their colonies are gone.

Rome- I think this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/ManiumMapOfficial.jpg) should be the way to divvy up AfrikaZKorps territory between Praetonian and myself.

news release and diplomatic notes sent to all

"The Kingdom of New Shiron strongly suggests that a general conference to adjust borders be held. The Kingdom is willing to host such a conference in the city of Oildale in New Kern, but suggests that one of the larger nations with better facilities would be more appropriate.

There are still vast areas of land that are unclaimed, and with the collapse of some of the colonies, the danger of conflict is a real risk if a general land grab results."

when reporters asked if this proposal was due to the recent war of words with Morathania, the spokesman issued a no comment.

ooc
incidently, to avoid be called a godmoder, for all RP purposes, population and budget figures for New Kern are considered to be incorporated in the New Shiron figures. New Kern is a nation so that I have a presence in the region (NS region) and for story purposes and its more interesting I thought for the local government to issue occasional press releases etc. So any military forces that need to be created should a war break out will be based on the New Shiron figures with the military budget based on the GDP and Budget calculators available on other threads.

I haven't bothered to worry about actual numbers of troops etc, but figure 1% of the population full time service, roughly another 2% in reserves and tech starting at 1990 (as of this writing) and moving up a few years as time progresses. Since population figures change daily, its too much work to worry about it until I need to... but the basic structure is set, as are the figures I indicated. At this time, I figure New Shiron has a military about as potent as Japan, Britian, Germany or France with the usual weapon systems you would expect for that, including strategic weapons. (based on current population with a strong economy and about a $100 Billion defense budget when I last checked earlier this week)

Sarzonia would like to expand into the former Kleptonis colony if possible.

OOC:

You know RomeW most people are pretty established here, you could adopt a laisser-faire attitude and see what the individual nations can work out, in character. If not entertaining then it’d prolong the thread.
(the above is in reference to the colony claims. Personally I like what New Shiron is doing, RPwise. IC? I remain observant, oh yea. :D )

The 71st Marine Expeditionary Legion has launched a massive campaign to expand political boarders with RomeW. Troops are begun a large march north to fill out the rest of the unclaimed territory. The canal is now open to every nation of the earth. The fascist regime ruled by the dictator Donathon had the canal to be one of the most fortified places on earth - spending hundreds of billions arming the defense of the canal. The 12th Army Legion has been put in command of the massive forts up and down the canal. The marines are still manning the mouth of it, where 80% of the defenses of the canal currently lay.

OOC:

You know RomeW most people are pretty established here, you could adopt a laisser-faire attitude and see what the individual nations can work out, in character. If not entertaining then it’d prolong the thread.
(the above is in reference to the colony claims. Personally I like what New Shiron is doing, RPwise. IC? I remain observant, oh yea. :D )

For the most part, I do have that attitude- I trust that everyone can RP fairly and for the most part I do stay out of nations' problems. I just want to make sure that people are not really fightning and that everyone is getting along.

For the record, I did ask- and actually encouraged- people to work out the expansion issues on their own. I don't want to control the RP's- I want people to be free to RP along their own accord. However, nobody got back to me on so I just decided to allocate territory the fairest way that I could, as I didn't update the map for a month and I didn't want to hold any RP's back (plus I did have some people getting on my case for not updating the map).

Now, I am going to sit back for the most part, but I do want to make sure that people who do have colonies get a chance to keep them and if anyone wants to join in (and there are plenty) they can have one of the "fallen" colonies, because I don't believe that would be fair otherwise. However, remember that I set parameters not to restrict anyone but just simply to make sure no one feels "cheated"- this is all supposed to be fun, and unfairness just takes away from that.

Diplomatic Communique to Morathania

Ab-shalom and greetings, my friend and ally;

As a large tract of land has opened to your southwest, would it not be more political to cede hold of half of the Benneton colony to New Kiron? Particularly as the agent which caused the demise of so many colonists is not known at this time.

In short, by "being the bigger man", you also give them the larger share of the potential problem, which safeguards your own population.

Simply something to think about.

Colonel Fiyaad Shamshan

OOC: Okay here is what I propose. I'll split Bennetone, may 60/40 maybe 50/50 we'll negotiate, with New Shiron if I get all of New Panooly, Holy Panooly's claim. The reason why I need Bennetone is because currently Southern Vandalia has no access to the sea. My country streachs more many miles but has a very limited coast line.

The Federation of Morathania would like to hold a conference between New Shiron and myself to deal with the problem of Bennetone. Morathania only wants peace and we find it very degrading for us, a peace loving nation, to be called warmongers by other nations. To all who nations look at our record we have a record of peace and of justice. It is because of this that the government of Morathania would rather hold a conference to further peace than start a potentially serious war. Manium has been relatively peaceful and we would like to keep it that way. That is why I would like to invite the government of New Shiron to St. George, Vandalia to talk with top members of the Vandalian government so that we can work out a compromise.

OOC: If you call me weak though everything is off. I hate when n00bs, not saying you personally I hope your not like this, call you weak and stupid when you try to call a peace conference. The last thing I want is you coming back and saying, "Morathania has been cowed in fear. They are weak. We only accept because we do not want to crush them."

TO: Vastiva
From: Morathania
Bennetone is of strategic importance to Morathania because it would open up
many more miles of shoreline in the south. If you look at the current situation
Southern Vandalia is landlocked. The only access to the sea that I have in
the south is in the former Nikolaus the Great territory. Bennetone will open up
the south and will make it more open. Gaining coastline is important to the
continued perseverance of the Morathanian colony. Since Holy Panooly has
given up his claim I have put forth that I would like to take Holy Panooly's
claim but I still need Bennetonean territory to spure development in the south
along with protecting my southern claim and self-defense of the territory.

Regarding New Panooly: I'm going to offer it first to outsiders wanting to join in, because, as of now, the only way into the thread is to take a colony that's dead. If nobody wants that land by next Wednesday, you will get that land Morathania.

So, to Isochronous: if you want this land or the former territory of Kleptonis, let me know. If you don't care which territory you want, let me know.

I have also proposed a solution to Bennetone:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficialBennetonneSplit.JPG

ooc: since I haven't really moved in yet, can I get a bigger colony?

Hello... im here. Ill be able to start rping again when all my homework from school settles down. So thatll be next week. See ya next week then. I have to go visit my bro!

The Empire of The Scandinvans would like to claim a some of the mian land and some islands if nesscary of course with the consent of the Rome goverment.

OOC: RomeW I will have to politely reject your partitioning. I would like to actually negotiate with New Shiron. I would accept this map. You can see it by visiting:

http://www.freewebs.com/colonymaps/maniummaps.htm

((OOC: I WANT RED TIDE 2 COLONY! Please :D))

(ooc: Kiwipeso, does that mean you're abandoning your colony?)

The great fleet had arrived from mainland kiwipeso to the great expanse of jungle around the spaceport settlement. It was truly remarkable that the jungle had so much Ganja Weed to offer to stressed out settlers.

It was selling the new spaceflight trips to international visitors that would make kiwipeso overseas spaceport successful.

OOC: will draw up new city and other items in new map soon. Will draw blown up details and map scale.

OOC: RomeW I will have to politely reject your partitioning. I would like to actually negotiate with New Shiron. I would accept this map. You can see it by visiting:

http://www.freewebs.com/colonymaps/maniummaps.htm

Diplomatic note to Moranthania and other neighbors (in order to clarify borders and prevent other disputes)

The government of New Shiron, after reviewing the proposal made by the government of Moranthania accepts it as presented.

OOC
due to Real Life matters can't really role play it the way it deserves, but this at least moves the thread along

Morathania, New Shiron: the Morathanian map is acceptable.

A note to anyone wanting to join the thread: please specify what former colony (or part thereof) that you would like to take. I am not adverse to splitting large ex-colonies (because the continent is too big for a nation to seize a large area so quickly, so a nation would not be able to claim ALL of a large colony).

Another note: an IC thread has been created:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7251050#post7251050

Side note: in NS "official" terms, the government of RomeW does not co-ordinate the continent, so no one needs the Roman government's approval before gaining admittance. However I- as in the person who runs the "RomeW" account- do run this thread and I am the one to talk to regarding thread issues because I, the person, run the thread. "Officially" the RomeW government does not run anything, only the person behind the NS account does.

OOC: If you call me weak though everything is off. I hate when n00bs, not saying you personally I hope your not like this, call you weak and stupid when you try to call a peace conference. The last thing I want is you coming back and saying, "Morathania has been cowed in fear. They are weak. We only accept because we do not want to crush them."

I dont believe anyone would call you weak

Rome, could you please update the map to include the division of AfrikaZKorps territory:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/ManiumMapOfficial.jpg

ooc

question: My nation recently (as an issue) developed human cloning as a byproduct of stem cell research (I guess) and can clone extinct life forms...

now wouldn't this give my nation a pretty good leg up on coming up with a cure or vaccine for the nasty bug that Hope found?

It seems reasonable to me (since WE, as in 2004, can't clone an extinct life form yet, although we might be able to soon with the Wooly Mammoth) and the breakthroughs in DNA research required to clone extinct life forms would seem advanced enough for a plethora of medical advances to come along with it.

ooc

question: My nation recently (as an issue) developed human cloning as a byproduct of stem cell research (I guess) and can clone extinct life forms...

now wouldn't this give my nation a pretty good leg up on coming up with a cure or vaccine for the nasty bug that Hope found?

It seems reasonable to me (since WE, as in 2004, can't clone an extinct life form yet, although we might be able to soon with the Wooly Mammoth) and the breakthroughs in DNA research required to clone extinct life forms would seem advanced enough for a plethora of medical advances to come along with it.

Bluntly, NO.

The nasty bug has a curative. Being able to clone the bug just makes more bugs.

And everyone gets that issue. It just means you can make clone sheep and Jurrasic Park if you really want it.

Finally, having the technology doesn't mean you have everything that it could possibly create.



And finally finally, it would be a VERY BORING RP if "and then New Shiron created a cure and the virus went away" was posted. Which would also result in a huge IGNORE being slapped down.

Usually issues have nothing to due with the way I RP. The only thing on regular NS that I have RPed was my nation quiting the United Nations. So what if my nation outlaws abortion or allows cloning? It shouldn't affect my RP. New Shiron as advice to you I say that you pick a time period and stick to RPing in that time period. Don't advance forward all that much. I'm strictly modern tech. I'm maybe about at 2005 or early 2006 technology since I have aircraft like the F-22 and the Comanche which are slated to become operational within the next few years. Praetonia is alittle further ahead then me maybe 2012/2013 tech but he still falls within the modern tech range. Thats because he has things like Scramjet cruise missiles, railguns, and trimarans. Modern Tech is a very open catagory. Most people say that it is between the late 80s and about 2020. So pick were you want to be a go for it.

might be away for a bit......
Ill be back.............

work reasons are going to cause me to be out of town for a couple of weeks so as to not hold things up in this RP.... the colony of New Kern was devastated by a plague that was contracted after occupation of Bennatone

nearly 80% of the population of New Kern and 30% of the population of New Shiron die in the resulting pandamic.

(in other words, pulling out of the thread so not to hold anybody up)


Vastiva and Moranthania, I have to disagree with you. The issues affect the economic level of players nations, as well as their civil rights and governmental freedoms. It would seem to me that ignoring them doesn't make sense. In addition, based on the rate populations grow, each RL day is a few years, so naturally tech levels will increase as well unless some catastrophic event occurs. Now RP doesn't allow you to decrease your population (which would happen when you get nuked for example) but in general, nations progress forward. Most everyone is basing their military power on their population size and economic strength (which is determined by how they handle the issues)

In the early 1960s, DNA was determined to be the basic building block of the cell, in the early 1990s a mammal was cloned ........30 years

In 1945 nuclear weapons weighed several tons with a limited yield of 18 kilotons, in 1955 a nuclear weapon weighed several tons with a yield of several megatons, and in 1965 a nuclear weapon could routinely fit inside a 175 mm artillery shell and now a nuclear weapon can easily fit in a Tomahawk land attack missile

so it would seem to me that within a few game days of having an issue, you have a substantially raised tech base.

and we aren't talking magic cure, but after years of research the breakthroughs that were created in the issue (cloning extinct organsms which implies the ability to create a full map of DNA, including any missing parts) would allow you to also map out the DNA of any disease (after all, they are either a virus or bacteria or other small organism) and therefore determine the agent needed to kill it. AZT and other Aids fighting medicines developed with 10 years of the first mapping of that organism... read the book Connections or watch any of the three TV series to get a good feel on the interlocking relationships between tech advances and how it works.

but I wasn't planning to use it without checking with the rest of you first to avoid killing the story line (in spite of my own misgivings on realism)

anyway, so long and thanks for all the fish (Douglas Adams, a truly great writer)

Hamptonshire: has the division been agreed upon with you and Praetonia? If it has I'll update the map as such.

New Shiron: from what I've seen the issues do very little, except when it comes to taxes (even then it's a little unreasonable- how can any nation have a 100% tax rate?). Mind you, I turned off the issues ages ago when they were just screwing up my nation and decided to create my own issues- those are just more satisfying- so I may be wrong with the new issues.

Hamptonshire: has the division been agreed upon with you and Praetonia? If it has I'll update the map as such.

New Shiron: from what I've seen the issues do very little, except when it comes to taxes (even then it's a little unreasonable- how can any nation have a 100% tax rate?). Mind you, I turned off the issues ages ago when they were just screwing up my nation and decided to create my own issues- those are just more satisfying- so I may be wrong with the new issues.

Since it's AZK's land, he would have the final ok on the division. I'll just get him to post next time I can contact him.

Since it's AZK's land, he would have the final ok on the division. I'll just get him to post next time I can contact him.

Fair enough.

*bump*

OOC: Issues affect your economy, civil rights, political freedom, environment, administrative efficiency, taxes, crime and the well being of your national animal.

As for 100% tax rate it would mean your citizens wouldn’t be getting paid, they’d be working for government provisions; hence communist (ideally) or crazy dictator (usually). This game assumes all political theories work and government is simply a mathematical formula. (While I might concur its definitely not that simple.)

Also to note that someone who has a tax rate like mine (35%) doesn’t necessarily get a bigger military as chances are the reason you have a bigger military is because you agreed to a social program of some sort, like free education or free healthcare. While I’d like to think my military is big its not as big as someone who refuses all social programs, they have less pots to pour into.

Okay update:

The colonies of Raginsheep, Zaktar, Cullenus and Red Tide2 are up for grabs for newcomers because of inactivity. If, by the end of the week nobody wants those lands I'm leaving it up for the oldtimers.

Newcomers: please state which colony you would like to seize. With regards to Red Tide2's and Raginsheep's massive colonies, they will be divided up- so anyone wanting those colonies needs to specify which section (both will be divided in four) you want. If you don't state what area you want you won't get one.

*bump*

OOC: Ah I didn't see this. Thanks for the land and thanks for hamptonshire drawing up a fairly reasonable split. I would like to get back involved with this RP, but since all of my colony's neighbours are inactive (except maybe Hamptonshire) on this thread I dont really see how...

Ah the Prodigal son returns

I was thinking about taking/claiming some land north of the colony of
Citrius-Vastiva as a buffer against others on the island(even though their has been no signs of agression)

So could i have a strip going up parallel with Draganovia and about 4 millimeters east-west filling the pocket between the two nations

OOC: Although looking at it more closely, the Hamptonian slice seems considerably bigger than mine.

OOC: Although looking at it more closely, the Hamptonian slice seems considerably bigger than mine.

OOC: *snickers* well, work it out.

OOC: Although looking at it more closely, the Hamptonian slice seems considerably bigger than mine.

OOC: That may or may not be true, but you do have the supreme advantage of having a contiguous colony. The inherent advantages of such an arrangement greatly outweigh any increase in land area that the Southern Military Colonies of Hamptonshire may or may not possess.

“Is all in readiness?”
“Alpha panel, all lights green, all stations report ready.”
“ETL launch platform, all lights green, all stations report ready.”

As the several technicians began reporting in, Dr Nebiat Berhe clicked on his headseat.
“This is ground control to Major Lederer. Status report.”

Far above the launch pad, Vastiva’s first astronaut clicked on his T-MCOD panel. “Lederer to ground control, all lights are green, all systems go.”
“How’s the stomach, Major?”
“Butterflies as usual, Doc. Historical moment and all.”
“~laughter~ Think of it as any other flight you’ve been on, Major.”
“A bit further then most I’ve gone on, Doc. How’s the old man handling it?”
“Fussing. You know him.”
“Yep. I won’t let him down.”
“Just come back in one piece. We’ll call it a success.”
“~laughter~ Will do, Doc. Capsule out.”

Outside, a series of klaxons began to bellow. Those nearby found shelter – those at a distance watched with interest.

Far away, two sets of switches were turned, cutting primary and auxiliary power from the reactors to anything but the launch site. Enormous UPS batteries began to bleed charge to satisfy colonial need.

Anyone who did not know of the launch would not have noticed the switchover – Sisu Arshu’s power grid had grown quite sophisticated in the last twenty launches.

“T minus two minutes and counting. All personnel report to safe areas. This is not a drill. We are T minus two minutes to launch.”
“Primary ignition of ETL launch system in five… four… three…”

Underneath the silver pillar, warning lights came on; pulses of energy began to run from the platforms several projectors to the rockets engines.

“Ground Control to Capsule. Commence final cross check.”
“Capsule to Ground Control. Check.”

“All systems report go.”
“Final checks complete, all systems are go.”
“Lift off sequence commencing. T minus ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. Five.”

“Ground Control to Capsule. Bon Voyage.”

“Three. Two. One. Ignition.”

Once again the Vastivan Space Administration’s vehicle leapt off the launch pad like a bottle rocket, leaving behind a cloud of flames and heat.

First of all, I'd like to mention this thread is now just an OOC thread- any IC posts should go here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7360660#post7360660

Harlesburg, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Citrius", unless that's the name of your colony (thus meaning I missed it when you posted its name). I can accommodate your request- I'm just not sure where it is.

Also, I've decided that the remaining inactive colonies- Zaktar, Red Tide2, Raginsheep and Cullenus- can be taken by established colonies, though in the case of Raginsheep and Red Tide2 they can't be taken in a single post (as the continent is too large). You'll have to grow into them, like you did with your current colonies.

I think I've got a "halfsies" claim on Cullenus along with Hammerite Sanctur.

And if not - gimme some. ;)

The Cullenus split has been added:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficial.PNG

The Cullenus split has been added:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficial.PNG

Rome, the AZK thing has been settled to my knowledge.

Well, I'll use that map for now, but I'd still like for you, Hamptonshire and Praetonia, to resolve the issue as best as you can.

Good God Morathania! Do you really need more land? Your current claim is about twice the surface of the planet Earth!!!

Well, I'll use that map for now, but I'd still like for you, Hamptonshire and Praetonia, to resolve the issue as best as you can.

Thanks Rome.

OOC: Well this isnt going to go anywhere if we dont compromise, so how about, H'shire gets his bigger slice, but I get a little bit of land opposite the narrowest part of the inlet to that circular gulf thing.

First of all, I'd like to mention this thread is now just an OOC thread- any IC posts should go here:
i thought so

Harlesburg, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Citrius", unless that's the name of your colony (thus meaning I missed it when you posted its name). I can accommodate your request- I'm just not sure where it is.

Also, I've decided that the remaining inactive colonies- Zaktar, Red Tide2, Raginsheep and Cullenus- can be taken by established colonies, though in the case of Raginsheep and Red Tide2 they can't be taken in a single post (as the continent is too large). You'll have to grow into them, like you did with your current colonies.
yeah harlesburg colony is Citrius-Vastiva
id like it as tall as the colony to my right please

My mistake Harlesburg...I'll update it tonight (I'm not at my computer at the moment).

Praetonia: just to verify, you want the land opposite you where people would enter the gulf from the sea, correct?

It has also come to my attention that Porto Calus, one of the original posters in the thread wishes to join in, and, although I did close the thread to newcomers for now, I want to make a special exception because they were one of the originals. I'd like to know from all of you where it would be best to fit them in.

My mistake Harlesburg...I'll update it tonight (I'm not at my computer at the moment).

Praetonia: just to verify, you want the land opposite you where people would enter the gulf from the sea, correct?

The division stands as is.

I see...this isn't going to be an easy thing to clear up. Well, this is my proposal: the divisions shall remain the same with a notable exception: at four major port points (marked in tan on the map below) Hamptonshire and Praetonia will jointly rule those areas, as, what I'm gathering is there is a fight over control of the waters and this way the terminuses- and thus shipping- shall be controlled by both.

The map for my proposal:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/AfrikaZKorpsColonySplit.PNG

Failing that, I suggest both of you RP it out.

Another note: the map has been updated to fit Harlesburg's claim:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficial.PNG

Perhaps Porto Calus could move onto the isle and take some of Raginsheep as they are defunct right?

Thanks that is exactlly how i wanted it.

I see...this isn't going to be an easy thing to clear up. Well, this is my proposal: the divisions shall remain the same with a notable exception: at four major port points (marked in tan on the map below) Hamptonshire and Praetonia will jointly rule those areas, as, what I'm gathering is there is a fight over control of the waters and this way the terminuses- and thus shipping- shall be controlled by both.

The map for my proposal:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/AfrikaZKorpsColonySplit.PNG

Failing that, I suggest both of you RP it out.
Thanks for the offer, but Im not going for anymore "jointly" ruled areas with Hamptonshire again. Hamptonshire's proposed part is considerably bigger than mine anyway, even with the part opposite the gulf - it's just being greedy to refuse that.

Im not giving in to you this time.

RP it out. Have your settler's on his land. His on yours, perhaps he's trying to show some clout because he knows your weak at home. This is a beautiful oppurtunity to RP some pissy diplomats and some arragont self righteous settlers, toss in a little native action and you have a wonky twist!

OOC: The land doesnt actually belong to anyone right now, unless AZK wants to gift bits of it to one or the other, but I cant get hold of him on MSN. I really need more details before I can RP it. And no, it's not because Im weak at home. He took an entire colony of mine in Eropid.

Thanks for the offer, but Im not going for anymore "jointly" ruled areas with Hamptonshire again. Hamptonshire's proposed part is considerably bigger than mine anyway, even with the part opposite the gulf - it's just being greedy to refuse that.

Im not giving in to you this time.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear last time, but I only adopted the Hamptonshire map to keep the RP going. However, it was only supposed to be tentative until both you and Hamptonshire could agree on the split. I didn't mean to suggest I was forcing it on to you.

Here's what I've done: the former colony of AfrikaZKorps will be coloured in tan and will be marked as disputed territory between both you Praetonia and Hamptonshire.

Another note: Porto Calus has been placed on that unclaimed strip of land next to Raginsheep's former colony and Citrius-Vastiva.

OOC: Sorry for the misunderstanding, most of my post (ie the "Im not giving in to you" part) was not directed at you, but at Hamptonshire.

It's okay. At this stage, I suggest you two just RP it out, as there doesn't seem to be an easy solution to the matter.

OOC: The land doesnt actually belong to anyone right now, unless AZK wants to gift bits of it to one or the other, but I cant get hold of him on MSN. I really need more details before I can RP it. And no, it's not because Im weak at home. He took an entire colony of mine in Eropid.

Are you not blockaded due to a small pox incident? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.....

Yeah. Well I was. But he would have done it anyway, that's what Im saying.

Well, I've sent a TG to AfrikaZKorps and marked it as "urgent". I've told him to come as soon as he can to the thread to clear this up.

Another note: Porto Calus has been placed on that unclaimed strip of land next to Raginsheep's former colony and Citrius-Vastiva.

I thought it would have been easier/better to give Porto Calus some of Raginsheep's so as not to cramp up that last remaining land.
But it'll work.

The Republic of Domnonia is looking to purchase a small tract of ocean front land for trade purposes within the new continent. Any offers will be considered.

I thought it would have been easier/better to give Porto Calus some of Raginsheep's so as not to cramp up that last remaining land.
But it'll work.

Well, in terms of area Porto Calus' land is about half the size of modern Russia (remember, this continent is five times the size of Eurasia and Africa put together), so it does work.

Well, in terms of area Porto Calus' land is about half the size of modern Russia (remember, this continent is five times the size of Eurasia and Africa put together), so it does work.

Yeppppppop

Here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/4543eb73.jpg. I've sent yet another TG to AZK. This division is much more than equitable.

AZK sent me another telegram earlier concerning the split and I asked him to reply which he hasn't. I'm going to wait for AZK's response before settling on anything.

Here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/4543eb73.jpg. I've sent yet another TG to AZK. This division is much more than equitable.
That's a better deal, but I'd rather have the land on the opposite bank of that channel thing at the narrowest point and a bit around it. Im going to wait until AZK gets on MSN so i can talk to him about it properly.

Edit this map from now on. I made a post about it a couple weeks ago concerning all the changes I made to me/Rose.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/nycto/OFFICIAL.jpg

OOC: I'd like to expand into that big white space above my proposed new bit, please. Then I'll start an RP concerning that inland sea if I can secure a naval base in your colony or perhaps one of the others there.

Concerning the map: two things: a) I'm not at my home computer so it won't be updated until I return and b) I want to reach a concensus with all of you on what the geographical landmarks on Manium should be called, because I think by now they'd all have names.

Southern island is referred to in internal memos as "Sheepfruit island"

Mountain range I encompass is Durin's Wall.

My proposed map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/MAP.jpg

AZK told me over MSN that he'd probably support this, but Im waiting for him to post.

Praetonia: how soon can you get AfrikaZKorps to respond? We need him ASAP.

Vastiva: "Sheepfruit Island"...interesting. Can I ask out of curiosity where that name originated?

As for other names: I've decided on a few myself that are strictly Roman names:

-The inland sea is referred to as "Mare Maiestas", the "Majestic Sea"
-The river to the sea is called "Flumen Manium", or "Manium River"

They're not set in stone, so if anyone has any other names they'd like to suggest let me know.

Praetonia: how soon can you get AfrikaZKorps to respond? We need him ASAP.

Vastiva: "Sheepfruit Island"...interesting. Can I ask out of curiosity where that name originated?

As for other names: I've decided on a few myself that are strictly Roman names:

-The inland sea is referred to as "Mare Maiestas", the "Majestic Sea"
-The river to the sea is called "Flumen Manium", or "Manium River"

They're not set in stone, so if anyone has any other names they'd like to suggest let me know.

Raginsheep owned the majority of it, and it is where our fruit orchirds are, ergo "Raginsheeps island with the fruit on it" became over time "Sheepfruit Island".

Praetonia: how soon can you get AfrikaZKorps to respond? We need him ASAP.

Vastiva: "Sheepfruit Island"...interesting. Can I ask out of curiosity where that name originated?

As for other names: I've decided on a few myself that are strictly Roman names:

-The inland sea is referred to as "Mare Maiestas", the "Majestic Sea"
-The river to the sea is called "Flumen Manium", or "Manium River"

They're not set in stone, so if anyone has any other names they'd like to suggest let me know.

How about somethig onthe edge called Oceanus(edge of the world and all that)

Raginsheep owned the majority of it, and it is where our fruit orchirds are, ergo "Raginsheeps island with the fruit on it" became over time "Sheepfruit Island".

I like it. Our nation will adopt the name as well.

Harlesburg: I like the idea, although Manium isn't technically "the edge of the world"- it's just a section (albeit a very large one) of the world. So the colonists would know past the Manium coastlines.

However, the natives would have referred to the ocean like that, so maybe it would work...

More names: our nation calls the moutain rage directly to the left of us "The World's Barrier", because it forms our border.

Also, the conference on Mare Maiestas has begun.

Praetonia: how soon can you get AfrikaZKorps to respond? We need him ASAP.

Vastiva: "Sheepfruit Island"...interesting. Can I ask out of curiosity where that name originated?

As for other names: I've decided on a few myself that are strictly Roman names:

-The inland sea is referred to as "Mare Maiestas", the "Majestic Sea"
-The river to the sea is called "Flumen Manium", or "Manium River"

They're not set in stone, so if anyone has any other names they'd like to suggest let me know.
I honestly have no idea... just keep his colony how it is until AZK gets on.

Upon the suggestion of Hamptonshire, I have created a new thread for the Mare Maiestas (inland sea) Conference. It can be found here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7490775#post7490775

OOC: Praetonia may have my entire former colony, Hamptonshire none.

So in other words...=(.

OOC: How kind of you, AZK.

OOC: How kind of you, AZK.
OOC: Thanks for linking it...

OOC: Thanks for linking it...

Thank you for clearing it up. Now we can move on from this situation.

Cough i dont want to lose this :(

Don't worry overmuch. Though the other two threads will be a bit more active as my space platform comes online.

Cough i dont want to lose this :(

You won't. It's my bad...I've been pretty involved with Earth II and school, but I won't let this thread die.

*makes note that post 796 on are the space launch, for reference*

the thing is if i dont see it on the NS page i wont see it.
I dont view the actual forum pages much

I can always use my web history but thats only could if i can see the names of the threads.

but what happened on friday was that the names disappered so i dont know which is which so now i have to think about how many pages each thread had if i didnt post but just viewed :(

then the other option is to see what i posted on in my profile but going thruu 7 pages takes time and anything from 3 weeks ago is potentially lost if i want to reply again or keep something going :confused:

ive lost the rp thread for now ill try and find it :)

Vastiva continues its space program - details here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7846657#post7846657)

OCC: If its possible, I'd like to reclaim my previous lands or what's left of them...I guess. If not, I could always try more forceful methods *cough cough*

OCC: If its possible, I'd like to reclaim my previous lands or what's left of them...I guess. If not, I could always try more forceful methods *cough cough*

You've been restored Raginsheep.

Okay, so I've cleaned up the map. The former colonies have been completely wiped out, and, following the suggestion of Nova Hope earlier, I'm going to let all of you RP them out. I'm still going to have the land gain rule in there though.

Hmm...so whats going on exactally?

Well, personally I have been quite busy with Earth II, so that's why I haven't updated Manium much, though I still want to fit this in. As for RP-wise, there is an IC thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7251050#post7251050

The current events, as far as I know, is that Nycton is co-ordinating some viral attack, Vastiva has a space launch and there is supposed to be a conference regarding the inland sea.

Oh, we're always more or less busy.

Though since this thread got "retired", it has a different "energy" to it.

Strange.

Oh, we're always more or less busy.

Though since this thread got "retired", it has a different "energy" to it.

Strange.

Retired? When did that happen?

You changed it from the IC thread to an OOC thread.

You changed it from the IC thread to an OOC thread.

Oh yeah. My bad.

*bump* I intend on reviving this...I'm going to update the map and create some more continents for people to take (hopefully by the end of the week). I also want to say that I'm going to run this a little differently- instead of having just one IC thread I'd like it if every event could have its own thread (e.g. Vastiva has a thread for the rocket launch, Nycton has a thread for the virus, etc.), and have the links posted here.

I'd also like to state to anyone new: this is *NOT* an Earth. It's a fictional continent in the NS Universe and is open to anyone. There are a few guidlines to follow though:

1) You cannot "drag" anyone into a RP- all the participants must be notified of an event.

2) Since the continent is huge (165 million square miles), outlined at the bottom left is the amount of land you can claim in one (1) RL day. It's the equivalent of 1225 pixels, or 323,192.64 square miles.

I'll draw each of these out later.

So, anyway, as of now, it's officially back.

EDIT: Map:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/ManiumMapOfficial.PNG

YAY

....mebbe.

YAY

....mebbe.

I hope to keep this up...I remember a few weeks ago Praetonia told me we needed more threads like this, so I want to keep this. I don't want to neglect my creation any longer.

EDIT- If anyone (preferably from the established nations at Manium) wants to help me keep it going let me know. I'm still going to run things but I can't keep this up alone.

What do you need done? And I wasn't ignoring this. I am actually working out and RP with Vastiva. Right across the river from you actually.

My mistake then, but this thread hasn't been as active as it once was, and I'd like to get it back there. I'm going to create another landmass to help in this area.

Anyway, what I think I'll need is someone who can run the thread when I'm away- an "assistant" if you will. Doesn't necessarily have to be one person- all of you can collectively keep it up yourselves (the basic rules are pretty straight-forward). I just want to make sure that when I'm away that this doesn't fall into disuse, that's all.

By the way, how far is that virus from my border?

Okay, new map(s) time:

Cordensa:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/Cordensa.jpg

Pescium:
http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/Pescium.jpg

Both have the same scale as Manium (meaning both are approximately 154 million square miles). Cordensa is open only to newcomers, Pescium to everyone (though if a newcomer chooses a Pescium spot, one person from Manium can go to Cordensa). Manium is still open to all.

(Old guard: if you want a different map than Pescium let me know and I'll construct a new one. I just thought it may be cool to have a map that looks like a fish).

CLAIMING- There are 50 black dots on Cordensa, 30 on Pescium (I did this since you guys also have a bit of land left on Manium to take). Those are the areas that can be claimed, and when claiming it, please indicate what spot you are taking. You cannot exceed that dot on your first RL day on the continent.

The rules for extending the claim is simple: 1225 pixels on the map, any way that you want. It's the area of a 35-by-35 square, though your claim does not have to be a square. When expanding, let me know which way you'll be going so I know how to adjust the map. Note: you CANNOT expand into another claim spot.

Happy claiming.

Okay, new map(s) time:

CLAIMING- There are 50 black dots on Cordensa, 30 on Pescium (I did this since you guys also have a bit of land left on Manium to take). Those are the areas that can be claimed, and when claiming it, please indicate what spot you are taking. You cannot exceed that dot on your first RL day on the continent.

The rules for extending the claim is simple: 1225 pixels on the map, any way that you want. It's the area of a 35-by-35 square, though your claim does not have to be a square. When expanding, let me know which way you'll be going so I know how to adjust the map. Note: you CANNOT expand into another claim spot.

Happy claiming.

Pescium is fine, though I think it would be better if you made the edges less soft. As for the new maps themselves, when can we start claiming? That Number 30 looks like it has my name on it.

Now, if you want. Can I ask what you mean by "making the corners less soft"?

Now, if you want. Can I ask what you mean by "making the corners less soft"?

Then mark me for 30. I'll RP it later today.

As for the corners, make it look a tad less like a Goldfish cracker and a bit more like a real fish. The animiated look of the map takes a bit of the realism out of the whole enterprise IMO.

If you would like, I will create a map of a otally new continent. I was thinking of using this old map I have hanging around for a totally new colonial map, much like Praetonia's MetaEarth.

If you want, I can post the map. It is labelled with different colors and their numbers for claims. Shows rivers, mountain ranges, and large inland lakes. Not my best work, but could work if you like.

Also, I already named it and would like it to be named that, Altiss (Meanning "Promise" in Commin)

RomeW, Can I claim #28 on Cordensa?

How's this:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/Pescium.jpg

RomeW, Can I claim #28 on Cordensa?

Noted and given to you.

It's better, though personally I could do without some of the remaining lines and curves. As I said though, this is just my opinion. Others may like to have the new continent shaped that way (I don't dislike it, I just think it could be better ;))

Noted. I think it's fun though- as soon as I saw it, I thought "I have to make the continent like that!" Who says all continents have to be weird shapes?

If you would like, I will create a map of a otally new continent. I was thinking of using this old map I have hanging around for a totally new colonial map, much like Praetonia's MetaEarth.

If you want, I can post the map. It is labelled with different colors and their numbers for claims. Shows rivers, mountain ranges, and large inland lakes. Not my best work, but could work if you like.

Also, I already named it and would like it to be named that, Altiss (Meanning "Promise" in Commin)

A fourth map? Great idea. Post it. We can do some conjunction thing here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Truitt/Altiss.png



Got bored and re-made it (got lost when my comp got that virus that went around).

It does not have rivers or actual terrains or names of regions, but it'll do. If you want to use it, go ahead, if not, ohh well, I'll un-host it. I would also like to help you run this. Just tell me anything you need done.

It does not have rivers or actual terrains or names of regions, but it'll do. If you want to use it, go ahead, if not, ohh well, I'll un-host it. I would also like to help you run this. Just tell me anything you need done.

I'll definitely use it. The more the merrier.

Well, since you asked, I'll give you a job. When I'm away, I'll let you update the maps. Deal?

EDIT- I'll also let you decide what your continent is like, since it is your creation.

Alright. How about this (as it has led to downfalls of maps like this in the past):

We make a puppet, like ContinentRPmaster or something and a single thread post that has all the rules and the maps there. That way all moderaters (I guess I would qualify as one?) can update maps and confirm claims, etc.

Just in-sight, also, I will RP landing on 33 later (For my map, Altiss).

Alright. How about this (as it has led to downfalls of maps like this in the past):

We make a puppet, like ContinentRPmaster or something and a single thread post that has all the rules and the maps there. That way all moderaters (I guess I would qualify as one?) can update maps and confirm claims, etc.

Just in-sight, also, I will RP landing on 33 later (For my map, Altiss).

It's things like this that reinforce my idea that you, Truitt, and the man.

I'll be RPing plot 23 on your map as soon as I have the chance.

Truitt: I have to get going now- we'll have to talk about this later. For now, though, when people ask for a spot on the map, give it to them, but don't give the nations more than that spot.

I would like to claim spot 25 please it it is not already claimed then I would like spot 5 only as a backup in case spot 25 is already taken.

Governor-Colonel Fiyaad Shamshan drooled at the news of the new continent of Pescium.

He had one strong advantage over other claimants - a fleet already set to go. It merely took the redirection of elements from the aid of the Noviets in the Five Cities area, to the new continent.

"Caliph, hell. If this goes well, I'll become a Sultan in my own right!"

Unaware of the impending megalomania, the Vastivan 3rd Expeditionary Army set off to Pescium, preparing for another colonial venture.


OOC: Area 5, please.

This thread still exists? Cool... but it's a little cluttered. Rome, I think you should repost it, and make a new map. That one has a lot of JPEG image degredation and is generally not that life like... I hear Guffingford is good with maps, maybe we could ask him nicely? *shrug* I dont know, but there's still plenty of land left. Also, some of the nations here have died, and should probably have their land removed to make room for new people.

What I'm doing right now is working with Truitt (since he has a map and I have a map) and we're going to repost this thread. We're working together on the rules and such for it (though current claiming rules for my continents are unchanged for now).

However, any ideas for rules from the rest of you are welcome.

The Scandinavians: You want it on Pescium or Cordensa?

I’d like 22, but I really don’t have the time to get the RP done. I’ll do it when an IC thread for this continent appears.

At this stage, all that's required is you tell me where you want your spot. That's all. No RPing needed now.

What I'm doing right now is working with Truitt (since he has a map and I have a map) and we're going to repost this thread. We're working together on the rules and such for it (though current claiming rules for my continents are unchanged for now).

However, any ideas for rules from the rest of you are welcome.

The Scandinavians: You want it on Pescium or Cordensa?
Ok, just please don't make it an earth with those moronic "this is a mini-universe" rules.

I would like to claim spot 25 please it it is not already claimed then I would like spot 5 only as a backup in case spot 25 is already taken. I would like it on the area that Truitt posted on his map.

Just as a way of showing Manium is far from "dead", here's an ongoing thread about what is going on there. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8366648#post8366648)At least as far as Nova Hope and Vastiva are concerned.

Ok, just please don't make it an earth with those moronic "this is a mini-universe" rules.

Definitely not. I have no intention of making Manium an all-exclusive club. Heck, I'm on Earth II anyway and will still be a part of it no matter what.

Excellent. Thankye.

@Vastiva: That's nice and good and everything, but as far as I know it's the only one, and this thread isnt growing at the steady page or two / week like it used to.

OOC: I'm one player, and I have not yet begun the looting and pillaging and... er... ahem... I mean "I have not yet begun to interact with the other players".

Heh. Regardless, I hold that this thread is cluttered and that the map needs redoing.

Harlesburg is still interested even if ive been absent ive tried to post on the RP thread
Same spot would be good if you think i can handle it. ;)

(excerpted from VNN Channel 722 broadcast)

... Hospitals.

It is with a heavy heart Vastiva announced the annexing of what was formerly the Hammerite Sanctur colony on the continent of Manium. Apparently their system collapsed under heavy internal pressure.

Owing to the nature of the treaty between the two colonies, Vastiva accepts the burden of caring for the people of the failed colony.

Egg futures...

OOC: Vastiva has annexed all the prior Hammerite Sanctur claims as per our treaty. I'm also confused - do I post anything here, or just OOC stuff?

(excerpted from VNN Channel 722 evening broadcast)

… tree squirrels.

Officials from the Sisu Arshu Launch Site have announced they are completing delivery of payloads to the Tudrussel station required to construct the first flight of “collector satellites” planned.

Dubbed the “Larry 3000s”, these ESats are designed to go into orbit around our planet rather then remaining in geostationary orbit. Unlike other satellites, the Larry 3000 series is designed not to avoid the morass of debris and abandoned satellites in orbit, but rather to use various means to collect all available debris into and attached to the satellite itself. Upon reaching the location of Tudrussel, these collectors will be drawn in, cleaned of all their debris, and sent on another sweep. Aboard Tudrussel, the debris will be recycled, cleaned, and used as raw materials or converted to other uses aboard the station. That which cannot be recycled will be sent into a direct decaying orbit, to burn up in the upper atmosphere.

Through the use of the Larry 3000 system, Vastiva plans to remove up to 70% of the unusable detritus which pollutes the equatorial orbit belt, and up to 56% of other nonfunctional and random waste currently in various orbital patterns.

The VAA wishes it to be made clear, the Larry 3000s will not make any attempt to coerce or interfere with working satellites or other orbiting objects; their sole purpose is to aid in the removal of orbiting clutter.

Work continues on the Osworth construction gantry; officials report once completed, the gantry will be used in the building in orbit of “Otto-1”, Vastiva’s first interplanetary attempt. According to early releases of the mission plans, Otto-1 is to be sent to the moon, there to drop robot landers for a variety of experiments, then to return.

At this time, there are no plans for a manned mission.

Dancing chickens…

OOC: Vastiva has annexed all the prior Hammerite Sanctur claims as per our treaty. I'm also confused - do I post anything here, or just OOC stuff?

This thread is simply OOC, but it'll be retired soon as I'll be making a new thread.

My, but retiring this went well... what happened to the others?

I know...I've been busy. It's exam period for me. I'll get the new thread up- don't worry, I haven't forgotten it.

As promised, the revival:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8720429#post8720429

Direct all your Manium activities there please. This thread is officially retired.

I'm wishing this thread was never retired - it was more active.

The original land grant for Charles Town in Carolina in 1670 was only about 12,000 acres.. and it was about 80 miles NW (on Ashley River at place called Albemarle Point SC not to be confused with Albemarle Sound NC the upper line for Carolina at first.) from current city of Charleston today, as in 1680 they felt the original area was not safe from hostiles and didn't provide the natural ocean port that current location would. In time area was extended. 12,000 acres was about the max one was granted to start a small city.. as early as 1700 land grants in that amount, 12,000 acres, were granted to folks at Augusta GA.. on Savannah River.. Think if my recall is correct it about 16 square miles... 4x4.. The original Carolina land grant in 1663 was between east west coast with north line at lattitude 36N (southern shore of Albemarle sound in NC today) and south line set at lattitude 31N (about Savannah GA today)... in 1665 extended to L36.5N north (current NC VA line) and L29N (just above Jacksonville FL today)..

These 12,ooo acre tracts were called Baronies....... Landowners got them were at least English Barons... or better. Caronline was granted to eight English Lords helped Charles II keep his young head when paga Charlie I lost it and throw some time prior to 1660 as they also helped him regain it in 1660 thus he was paying off eight Lords Proprietors for their help......

Also Carolina was considered one Proprietary until 1712 then split into upper and lower... with Charleston being main city and a second city sit up to cover manage the upper areas...

The original land grant for Charles Town in Carolina in 1670 was only about 12,000 acres.. and it was about 80 miles NW (on Ashley River at place called Albemarle Point SC not to be confused with Albemarle Sound NC the upper line for Carolina at first.) from current city of Charleston today, as in 1680 they felt the original area was not safe from hostiles and didn't provide the natural ocean port that current location would. In time area was extended. 12,000 acres was about the max one was granted to start a small city.. as early as 1700 land grants in that amount, 12,000 acres, were granted to folks at Augusta GA.. on Savannah River.. Think if my recall is correct it about 16 square miles... 4x4.. The original Carolina land grant in 1663 was between east west coast with north line at lattitude 36N (southern shore of Albemarle sound in NC today) and south line set at lattitude 31N (about Savannah GA today)... in 1665 extended to L36.5N north (current NC VA line) and L29N (just above Jacksonville FL today)..

These 12,ooo acre tracts were called Baronies....... Landowners got them were at least English Barons... or better. Caronline was granted to eight English Lords helped Charles II keep his young head when paga Charlie I lost it and throw some time prior to 1660 as they also helped him regain it in 1660 thus he was paying off eight Lords Proprietors for their help......

Also Carolina was considered one Proprietary until 1712 then split into upper and lower... with Charleston being main city and a second city sit up to cover manage the upper areas...

Aroooo????