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It's not foreign rule. If you look at how Israeli Arabs within Israel get on, compared to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, it's more political freedom, more jobs, more education...

Shh. Do not let facts stand in the way of his Anti-Israel bias.

Israeli rule is foreign rule.

And arab rule is foreign rule. Neither side was there first UB. High time you get that beaten into your skull.

Can I recommend not to use the word bias, cause we're all biased, there's isn't one which isn't... it's a human thing.

Can I recommend not to use the word bias, cause we're all biased, there's isn't one which isn't... it's a human thing.

i'd like to think i'm not.
I would love to see peace in the area. I mean who would'nt?
I don't care who's to blame for the past, the simple fact is israel is not going to go away whether we're refering to the people or the state.

so there seems to be 2 options
1 side wipes out the other
or
compromise and make peace.

It scares me that this thread has reached 133 pages.

We do like our entertainment.

I'm strangely amused that I got the 2000th post.

Edit: and the 2006 post.

There were neither Israeli offers to give up the land nor of peace.
Arabs don't want peace under Israeli conditions. Who would want the 'peace' of occupiers?

Yes there were.

95% of the West Bank, all of Gaza and East Jerusalem.

Even if you think that offer is unreasonable (which frankly is ludicrous anyway) then you could at least offer a counterproposal that you consider reasonable, then the other side can offer theres etc. Thats how negotiation works.

Well, I know about Vichy but I've never seen the flag.
So you would advise Palestinian leaders to just accept occupation in the same way and collaborate with the occupiers and thus commit treason against their own people?

Define treason?

If you mean do we expect them to continue to fight to the last man for their state then no, that is what treason is. Because what that will do is cause more death and more suffering, for Palestinian and Isralie alike. Treason is delibrately working against the interst of your state for your own benefits. Guess what, PEACE IS IN THE PALESTINIAN INTEREST. If they continue in this suicicdal quest to destroy Israel, then what will happen. More Palestian dead, more Isralie dead. A more dangerous Middle East, a more fragmented world. I would suggest that they go into negotiotation with the Isralies, but thats going to be a very long way away now it seems, after an increadably reasonable offer was rejected. Now, the Palestians cannot get more land than was before offered. To do so would suggest that terrorism works better than negotiation, which is wrong.

i'd love to know the record for the longest thread.

maybe we can beat it!:)

I wouldnt get your hopes up, I've seen ones over 700 posts long

I wouldnt get your hopes up, I've seen ones over 700 posts long

You realise that that was the 20210th post?

And I've seen threads over 10,000..

i'd love to know the record for the longest thread.

maybe we can beat it!:)

The babe thread was over 200 pages (at max post per page viewing) while this one is only at 50... so we got a ways to go :p

Israel prospers at the expense of innocent Arab life. The treatment of those people by Israli forces is barbaric in compairison to National Socialist Germany.

Barbaric in comparison to what? Attempted execution of all members of a particular race, Death Camps, human experimentation, skinning corpses to make lampshades? What could Israel possibly have done that is barbaric in comparison to this?

Jews had no rights in Nazi Germany. Arabs have some rights, at least, in Israel.

well vinland help keep it going with is ironclad proof that the holocaust was a gross exageration and only a blind gypsie with one leg and no arms died in the concentration camps. Except for that one accident caused by a scratch from a rusty nail, the camps were used to 'concentrate' the jewish population so that they could be transported outside the country...:headbang:

Yeah, people like that really make me afraid and angry. Sometimes simply pity for those who believe the Holocaust never happened. I mean, what do they expect the majoirty of people to say after hearing their "arguement"?...

"Wow! Really? So when I was taught about the Holocaust in school, I was being misled by insidious Zionist propaganda?" :eek:

:rolleyes:

So Israel is more evil because it's existed for a longer period of time... :confused:

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused. So the total number "killed" is not everything.

edit: not the way I intended it to come out.

Damn if I meet an Israeli in a bar I'm going to have to buy them a drink. I mean I always thought I was evil but they're mentally torturing every muslim and Arab on the planet. Oh wait a sec, whats that smell? Oh yeah, BULLSHIT!

Damn if I meet an Israeli in a bar I'm going to have to buy them a drink. I mean I always thought I was evil but they're mentally torturing every muslim and Arab on the planet. Oh wait a sec, whats that smell? Oh yeah, BULLSHIT!

I'll just settle for good ol' orange juice.

OJ it is then if I ever run into you in Scotland.

OJ it is then if I ever run into you in Scotland.

I plan going there one day, would like to see all that green and castles... kinda like middle ages stuff and surroundings.

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused.

1.) World War Two was rather a big war. That's why we tend to describe it as a 'world' war, because it was big...
2.) WW2 was a war of aggression launched by Germany; most of the wars involving Israel were precipitated by Arab countries/groups.
3.) During WW2, Germany deliberately targeted civilians. Israel only ever targets civilian areas when terrorist groups hide there (something which is prohibited by international law). By contrast, the Palestinians and their allies murder civilians as a matter of course. Arab air forces cheerfully bombed Tel Jewish areas during the War of Independence and other wars while the Egyptian army had drawn up plans to turn Tel Aviv into an abattoir.
4.) Oddly enough, the Palestinians were staunch Nazi supporters during WW2. Maybe your thread should have been entitled "Nazis or their lackeys: who's worse?"

So the total number "killed" is not everything.
And Israel tortures far more than the Nazis through the mental torment they cause to every Arab and every Muslim on the planet.

I fail to see how you can blame your pathetic insecurity on the Jews. :rolleyes: Yes, there are still Jews in the world and you're not allowed to kill or oppress them. Get used to it.

There is if you go to the right places some truly beautiful scenery all over the UK just make sure you have an umbrella.

Damn if I meet an Israeli in a bar I'm going to have to buy them a drink. I mean I always thought I was evil but they're mentally torturing every muslim and Arab on the planet. Oh wait a sec, whats that smell? Oh yeah, BULLSHIT!

What with controlling the banks and the media I'm amazed they have time to mentally torture Muslims and arabs. Maybe it's what they do to unwind. :p

What with controlling the banks and the media I'm amazed they have time to mentally torture Muslims and arabs. Maybe it's what they do to unwind. :p

It's no laughing matter! The Israelis are masters of psychic torture. They trained the most deadly telepath in the world, Uri Geller.

when will this stupid thread be locked.

You've got to love those ebil Jewish mind powers, must have been how they brainwashed us into believing the Holocaust ;)

I use Daz for all my brainwashing makes those minds whiter than white and completely blank for me to write my evil doctrine upon.

What with controlling the banks and the media I'm amazed they have time to mentally torture Muslims and arabs. Maybe it's what they do to unwind. :p

Here I thought soap operas are made specifically to drive Muslim's blood pressure up a few dozen points. :D


I'm a Uber Spamgirl! :D

Here I thought soap operas are made specifically to drive Muslim's blood pressure up a few dozen points. :D

And Victoria's Secret catalogs. Another Jewish plot.

Piekrom;12091918']when will this stupid thread be locked.

When its stupidity ceases to amuse the mods.

It's no laughing matter! The Israelis are masters of psychic torture. They trained the most deadly telepath in the world, Uri Geller.

:eek:

Not Uri I need my spoons for my breakfast cereal.

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused. So the total number "killed" is not everything.

edit: not the way I intended it to come out.

Goes to show just how stupid you really are.

Piekrom;12091918']when will this stupid thread be locked.

Why should it be lock? This is the most fun I had all week.

Why should it be lock? This is the most fun I had all week.

This is a fun thread. Better even then debating Bush lovers.

This is a fun thread. Better even then debating Bush lovers.

Hehe. Some of them do go overboard. Though I do support Bush on some things, I do oppose him on others.

Ooh, ooh, is this degenerating into spam?

http://memepedia.info/images/a/a3/Jewcat.jpg
IM IN UR COUNTRY
CONTROLLING UR MEDIA

Hehe. Some of them do go overboard. Though I do support Bush on some things, I do oppose him on others.

Just about everything he says and does pisses me off. I guess it means I don't care for him. :D

Just about everything he says and does pisses me off. I guess it means I don't care for him. :D

Some do and some don't. Nothing wrong with not liking the person but you do have to separate the office from the person.

Some do and some don't. Nothing wrong with not liking the person but you do have to separate the office from the person.

Nothing wrong with the presidency itself

don't care for any of his so called "roadmaps to peace"


too caught up with Iraq to care about israel anyway

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused. So the total number "killed" is not everything.

edit: not the way I intended it to come out.
Correction: Israel started zero wars. Not one. All the wars Israel has had got started by their enemies.
And I think it came out exactly how you wanted it to.

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused. So the total number "killed" is not everything.

edit: not the way I intended it to come out.

1. The Arab states have caused the war. By being so hideously intollerant that they cannot stand the notion that a tiny slither of land in the region does not belong to them

2. In every war, the Arab states were the instigators. The Arab states attacked Tel-Aviv in 1948, the Arab states blockaded the straits of Teharan in 1967 and the Arab states launched an attack on Jeudisims holiest day in 1973. That last one in particular is bad because the Arab states have always maintained that if the Jews or anyone else were to attack them during Ramadan it would be an insult beyond mere war.

3. No, the total number killed is not everything. However what is of major imporatnce is your intention. The intention of the Arab states and the Palestinan terrorists is to kill Jews. To 'Drive the Jews into the sea'. The Nazi's had a very similar motive. I think the Nazi's and the Arab states are more comparable here. Nazi's 1933-39 mind you, the Arab's havent yet began any mass exterminations.

Israel is surrounded by millions of fanatics who want them dead, they never start the wars, they just finish them. As a zionist and a proud Jew i think comparing the Nazis to Israel is absurd. The Nazis were 1. Imperialistic 2. Used many methods of torture and 3. Have killed many more people than the Jews could ever hope to kill! Israel has to fight back, i mean what choice do they really have? Israel is always the subject of criticizm in the media, by islamo-fascists and many others. While i am not proud of everything Israel did and do think they are part of a region that has gone absolutely insane, they have always been a peaceful nation (they traded many things for peace), they have made peace with many former enemies, and on top of all that the Nazis tortured many, killed many more and set Europe back farther than any war has set a region back since (with the possible exception of the cold war). I bet this guy supports the Palestinians and wants death to america as well (just an assumption i didnt read the other 130 pages just the 1st 5 and last one)

Israel is surrounded by millions of fanatics who want them dead, they never start the wars, they just finish them. As a zionist and a proud Jew i think comparing the Nazis to Israel is absurd. The Nazis were 1. Imperialistic 2. Used many methods of torture and 3. Have killed many more people than the Jews could ever hope to kill! Israel has to fight back, i mean what choice do they really have? Israel is always the subject of criticizm in the media, by islamo-fascists and many others. While i am not proud of everything Israel did and do think they are part of a region that has gone absolutely insane, they have always been a peaceful nation (they traded many things for peace), they have made peace with many former enemies, and on top of all that the Nazis tortured many, killed many more and set Europe back farther than any war has set a region back since (with the possible exception of the cold war). I bet this guy supports the Palestinians and wants death to america as well (just an assumption i didnt read the other 130 pages just the 1st 5 and last one)

ditto

ROFLMAO.

It's the flag of Vichy France. The French surrendered to Nazi Germany (their occupiers) rather quickly.

They also mounted ZERO acts of resistance UNTIL the British Special Operations Executive organized and recruited French people and trained and supplied them.

Up until that point, the French just went along with the occupation.

The ignorance of you right wing Amerikan people is rather astounding betimes. Its as bad as what comes out of the most backward looking madrassa, if not worse, as it spurns the knowledge so readily available.

The babe thread was over 200 pages (at max post per page viewing) while this one is only at 50... so we got a ways to go :p

post some IDF chick pics. that should get people reading...

Nope. Israel was around for a long time.

Read your Bible.

Fuck the bible. Its a semi-mythic foundation tale with added crap for extra value in the OT, and a mishmash or Judaeo-greek beliefs in the second. It is not fitting to be used in a discussion with relation to real events. Otherwise we can draw lots daily on whose "holy book" is right for the day, and see how we get on.

Yeah, people like that really make me afraid and angry. Sometimes simply pity for those who believe the Holocaust never happened. I mean, what do they expect the majoirty of people to say after hearing their "arguement"?...

"Wow! Really? So when I was taught about the Holocaust in school, I was being misled by insidious Zionist propaganda?" :eek:

:rolleyes:

you forgot to add zionist control media.

but yeah pretty much

That has a lot to do with absolutely. Everyone who claims the Nazis were worse do so only on the basis that they supposedly killed more people. Big whoop. The Nazis only cause one war, look at that amount israel as caused. So the total number "killed" is not everything.

edit: not the way I intended it to come out.

one WORLD war. a conflit that spanned a chunk of the globe. AND it was started by them. You know devastated continenents and all that...

Israel had only been involved in regional wars

i'd love to know the record for the longest thread.

maybe we can beat it!:)

I wouldnt get your hopes up, I've seen ones over 700 posts long

Trilby63;12090950']You realise that that was the 20210th post?

And I've seen threads over 10,000..

The babe thread was over 200 pages (at max post per page viewing) while this one is only at 50... so we got a ways to go :p

I wonder how big the original Volcano thread got. I think it was the reason there used to be a 65 page limit on threads. I could be wrong though. it could have been one of the other social threads from 2003.

Why should it be lock? This is the most fun I had all week.

shhh...

the people we're arguing about are trying to be serious.

so try not to laugh

1.) . Israel only ever targets civilian areas when terrorist groups hide there .
Well for starters they offically carried out reprisal attacks in the 1950's, so thats gone. And secondly its "according to them they only...."


By contrast, the Palestinians and their allies murder civilians as a matter of course. Arab air forces cheerfully bombed Tel Jewish areas during the War of Independence .

Beirut, Tripoli, Tyre..


4.) Oddly enough, the Palestinians were staunch Nazi supporters during WW2. Maybe your thread should have been entitled "Nazis or their lackeys: who's worse?".

And maybe we should say "this was gone through before and shown to be crap". Theres no evidence to show an adoption of German "Nazi" policies amongst Palestinians, rather the age old adage "the enemy of my enemy is mr friend". I suggest using better straw for your man.

Nope. Israel was around for a long time.
Read your Bible.I certainly know the Bible better than you. And also the real history behind this unholy piece of propaganda material. The biblical Israel has only superficially anything to do with the current Israel, although there are parallels as to the aggressiveness in their respective conquests of the land and the arrogance and barbarity of their respective protagonists.
The Jews who came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries to create their 'state' were foreigners to the land. And they set up a foreign rule over the area.

And maybe we should say "this was gone through before and shown to be crap". Theres no evidence to show an adoption of German "Nazi" policies amongst Palestinians, rather the age old adage "the enemy of my enemy is mr friend". I suggest using better straw for your man.

what about Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe)

of course this does not apply to palestinians in general, but this guy was influencial in starting the first arab-israeli conflict i believe

I certainly know the Bible better than you. And also the real history behind this unholy piece of propaganda material. The biblical Israel has only superficially anything to do with the current Israel, although there are parallels as to the aggressiveness in their respective conquests of the land and the arrogance and barbarity of their respective protagonists.
The Jews who came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries to create their 'state' were foreigners to the land. And they set up a foreign rule over the area.

curious whats you opinion on the 600,000 jewish refugees from arab lands that were absorbed by Israel? today, almost half of Israel's Jewish citizens are the original refugees and their descendants, mostly Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Temani Jews which would make them of arab.
Over half the population if Israel can claim to come from arab lands, would that not make them arab? If so, is it still foreign rule?
Or is it foreign rule because the official religion is not islam but judaism?

what about Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe)

of course this does not apply to palestinians in general, but this guy was influencial in starting the first arab-israeli conflict i believeWell, the biggest influence in starting the first jewish-arab conflict surely were the many thousands of immigrants and their demand for other people's land.

what about Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni#In_Nazi-occupied_Europe)

of course this does not apply to palestinians in general, but this guy was influencial in starting the first arab-israeli conflict i believe

He came up earlier, and I stated the "does not apply to Palestinians in general..." part. He was side-lined by the Jordanians and Egyptians by 1948.

Fuck the bible. Its a semi-mythic foundation tale with added crap for extra value in the OT, and a mishmash or Judaeo-greek beliefs in the second. It is not fitting to be used in a discussion with relation to real events. Otherwise we can draw lots daily on whose "holy book" is right for the day, and see how we get on.

Except for the fact that evidence for the Bible being true is starting to pile up.

shhh...

the people we're arguing about are trying to be serious.

so try not to laugh

Right right. I forgot.

Well, the biggest influence in starting the first jewish-arab conflict surely were the many thousands of immigrants and their demand for other people's land.

you mean israeli-arab conflict.

and yes that was the excuse for the conflict was'nt it?

I'm curious after the first war, why did'nt the arabs nations attack Jordan? Since they conquered 30 odd percent of palestinian arab land?

I certainly know the Bible better than you.

If that is the case then, do you recognize that the Jews and Arabs were not the first inhabitants of the land?

And also the real history behind this unholy piece of propaganda material.

*cough* bullshit *cough*

The biblical Israel has only superficially anything to do with the current Israel, although there are parallels as to the aggressiveness in their respective conquests of the land and the arrogance and barbarity of their respective protagonists.

Has little to do with this? Oh brother. You are so ignorant when it comes to this touchy subject. Luckily, we are here to educate you in such matters. Here's a hint, the past has everything to do with what is going on today.

The Jews who came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries to create their 'state' were foreigners to the land. And they set up a foreign rule over the area.

And the Arabs who are there now are also foreigners to the land and they set up foreign rule over the area.

For those claiming Israel is intentionally targetting civilians, I call BS.

The extremists are intentionally using their own people as human shields, they hide behind schools and hospitals, they open up military shops inside civilized areas. The military extremists preach to their kids how it's okay to strap a bomb on you to go blow up an Israeli, and so on.

In no way is Israel anything near what the nazis were. Hitler and his henchman's ultimate goal was to take control over the world and he started in Europe. Killing everything and body in his path. If you were a jew it was usually automatic immediate death. No way has Israel committed the atrocities that Hitler committed.

I really can't believe people really believe this. It's completely ludricous.

Well, the biggest influence in starting the first jewish-arab conflict surely were the many thousands of immigrants and their demand for other people's land.

They were happy with the UN Partition. It called for the creation of both states. Israel was a hell of a lot smaller with this partition.

I'm curious after the first war, why did'nt the arabs nations attack Jordan? Since they conquered 30 odd percent of palestinian arab land?

And then annexed it to be part of their territory.

I certainly know the Bible better than you. And also the real history behind this unholy piece of propaganda material. The biblical Israel has only superficially anything to do with the current Israel, although there are parallels as to the aggressiveness in their respective conquests of the land and the arrogance and barbarity of their respective protagonists.
The Jews who came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries to create their 'state' were foreigners to the land. And they set up a foreign rule over the area.

Beleriand a piece of advice.
Don't just say you know this better than him, etc...

Attack him with links and quotes. You believe yourself to be right, correct? then convince him! show you evidence.

Except for the fact that evidence for the Bible being true is starting to pile up.

Pile up like shite, perhaps. Or is there an angel trapped in a bottle you'd like to show me?

A quick review - the Creation - bollocks. The Ark? Bollocks. The exodus? Bollocks. Could I go into detail? Why yes, but why bother, its a fucking fairy story. Entertaining it often gives it a credibility it doesnt deserve.

Beleriand a piece of advice.
Don't just say you know this better than him, etc...

Attack him with links and quotes. You believe yourself to be right, correct? then convince him! show you evidence.

He does not know how. He does quote from one website but that is, as we all know, clearly biased.

Except for the fact that evidence for the Bible being true is starting to pile up.

So is the evidence it isn't. In a "somewhat" larger pile ;)
Not that that matters, since God has a magic wand that can change history and facts at a whim.

Except for the fact that evidence for the Bible being true is starting to pile up.

Then no doubt you'll regale us all with a detailed catalogue of this steaming pile of supposed evidence, eh? Hopefully, in a different thread.

Well for starters they offically carried out reprisal attacks in the 1950's, so thats gone. And secondly its "according to them they only...."

Reprisal attacks against suicide bombings and being targeted themselves first.


Beirut, Tripoli, Tyre..

Arab Millitary as well as civilain centres. Because guess what, the Arabs, unlike the Isralies, built their military bases near their civilain centres

Pile up like shite, perhaps. Or is there an angel trapped in a bottle you'd like to show me?

A quick review - the Creation - bollocks. The Ark? Bollocks. The exodus? Bollocks. Could I go into detail? Why yes, but why bother, its a fucking fairy story. Entertaining it often gives it a credibility it doesnt deserve.

The Ark

- http://www.carm.org/questions/noahsark.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/noahsarkpossible.htm

Creation

- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evocreationism_helen.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evodds.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/creationmythl.htm

Exodus

- http://www.carm.org/questions/desert.htm

The Ark

- http://www.carm.org/questions/noahsark.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/noahsarkpossible.htm

Creation

- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evocreationism_helen.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evodds.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/creationmythl.htm

Exodus

- http://www.carm.org/questions/desert.htm


You're determined to prove Nodinia's point, I see.

The "Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry"? Chock-a-block full of such gems as,

The Ark, if I was going to build it, would just be a bunch of boxes "pegged" together, until it formed one huge box with incredible strength.

This coming from a man who states that,

I have helped to design factories in this manner, so I know what I'm talking about.

Right. 'Cause as we all know, helping to design factories in the 21st century is the cornerstone of pre-industrial shipbuilding.

you forgot to add zionist control media.

but yeah pretty much

well, i knew i forgot something! Yes, And the Jewish controlled media to help spread the aforementioned propaganda. :)

The Ark

- http://www.carm.org/questions/noahsark.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/noahsarkpossible.htm

Creation

- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evocreationism_helen.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evolution/evodds.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/creationmythl.htm

Exodus

- http://www.carm.org/questions/desert.htm

O thats me sorted now....for fucks sake....

The Ark

- http://www.carm.org/questions/noahsark.htm
- http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/noahsarkpossible.htm



that one is great!

I like how he does'nt bother to include fresh water fish on the ship. Or how many containers would have to be filled with water to accomodate them.
Or salt water fish for that matter. Because had there been such a colosal world flood covering the moutains etc... all the soil/particles in the water would make it impossible for salt water fish to breed.

oh and he/she seems to have got the figure wrong on the amount of species there currenly are. By a VERY big margin.

oh and if the entire world got flooded would every species of plant have to be taken on the boat aswell?

please fundie troll go somewhere else. ok?

O thats me sorted now....for fucks sake....

YEAH
WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE NOW BITCH!



;)

YEAH
WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE NOW BITCH!



;)

I know...pwned by a fundamentalist-what can I do....O, wait...

Go get a job you worthless troll. I bet some Jew took your girlfriend and you're pissed off about it.

I bet it wasn't you.

Actually Noahs ark is quite interesting to me mainly due to a couple of factors but I agree if you take the literal biblical view then it's a load of bollocks.

Of course if you consider that back then peoples view of the world was much smaller and seldom extended far beyond their own region then it becomes a lot more interesting. Another point of interest is the wide range of flood stories originating around about the same time period. I missed most of it but there was an interesting program on bbc that suggested the flood did take place in a specific region, then Noahs livestock concerns don't require a tardis like ark and he can get away with a large vessel. Been a while since I saw the programs so I can't give you any more details and I'm too tired to go look them up, but I'm willing to believe the ark story probably happened though it's been blown out of all proportion.

Rather than laughing because of evidence that doesnt support your world view, how about you accept there is evidence and that you dont have all the answers

How about we make a thread: Stupid fundamentalist Jew haters or Ignorant motherfuckers, who's worse? Oh thats right, they're the same! Many have even posted here!

Rather than laughing because of evidence that doesnt support your world view, how about you accept there is evidence and that you dont have all the answers

Do you follow your own advice ?

Do you follow your own advice ?

Yes. I dont pretend that the evidence I presented is the be all and end all of the debate. What I would say is that it means there is still a debate to be had.

Do you follow your own advice ?

Yes. I dont pretend that the evidence I presented is the be all and end all of the debate. What I would say is that it means there is still a debate to be had. Which is more than many would say

Do you follow your own advice ?

Yes. I dont pretend that the evidence I presented is the be all and end all of the debate. What I would say is that it means there is still a debate to be had. Which is more than many would say

The Jews who came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries to create their 'state' were foreigners to the land. And they set up a foreign rule over the area.

And guess who they are the descendts of? Thats right, the Jews who left the area before. But that isnt the principle reason they came there. It was because

- They wanted to flee persecution
- They wanted a home of their own that ment something to them
- They had families and homes there that they had built legitmately

Rather than laughing because of evidence that doesnt support your world view

You have evidence of animals popping into existence?


, how about you accept there is evidence

Evidence of...?


and that you dont have all the answers

Never said I did. I do know, however, the answer to the question ' is this all the work of the invisible man?' and its not "yes".

You all seem to be missing the point. So each has there own way of ruling. I'd have to say though Hitler is one of the worlds greatest leaders of all time. If he wasn'tHe wouldn't have gotten people to roast homosexuals or Jews. I mean Hitler had everything you need to lead a nation. You might argue this, but it's true. He got others to choose his beliefs over others and had a nation in complete control. If he hadn't made the major mistakes he did who knows maybe he would have been a complete world hegemon.

You have evidence of animals popping into existence?

if someone mentions the bible I BLAMING YOU:mad:


Never said I did. I do know, however, the answer to the question ' is this all the work of the invisible man?' and its not "yes".

well griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Griffin_%28The_Invisible_Man%29)did manage quite a bit

Yes. I dont pretend that the evidence I presented is the be all and end all of the debate. What I would say is that it means there is still a debate to be had. Which is more than many would say

If you are also willing to consider the possibility that you are wrong, I salute you.

snip

good first post!
its always nice to have another troll on the forum. Makes life a lot more entertaining.

Let me guess your around 13, pimply, get picked on in school and play with yourself?

P.S. What you always worried about is true, your parents are ashamed of you and keep on wondering where they went wrong

good first post!
its always nice to have another troll on the forum. Makes life a lot more entertaining.

He has a point though. Hitler DID manage to let people follow him.

He has a point though. Hitler DID manage to let people follow him.

never said otherwise. but i think all in all the negative attributes of hitler outway his positive attributes ever so slightly..

He has a point though. Hitler DID manage to let people follow him.

And that makes him better than Israel? Israel was not charismatic enough to your liking?

And that makes him better than Israel? Israel was not charismatic enough to your liking?

no cute mustaches.
that will be israel downfall.

no cute mustaches.
that will be israel downfall.

:( sorry about that

And guess who they are the descendts of? Thats right, the Jews who left the area before. But that isnt the principle reason they came there. It was because

- They wanted to flee persecution
- They wanted a home of their own that ment something to them
- They had families and homes there that they had built legitmatelywant, want, want

want, want, want

Those are also three things they have a right to, and three things that you have in the past claimed for the Palesians. Don't give BC such a hard time

Both regimes carried out an occupation they deemed as just, but the international community did not. Both setup ghettos, roadblocks and curfews for the occupied, those who break curfew get shot in the street with tanks. Both were racist regimes who operate(d) with a sense of superiority. Both committed mass killings and slaughters including of women and children. Both used the holocaust as justification or propaganda for their actions. Both are hated by the international community and invaded their neighbours. And both are feircely militaristic.

Its a very close race but the Nazis haven't been around for 60 years and only lasted around 20. The regime of Israel is still around and has been for 60 years. Its close, but I say Israel takes this one. your thoughts?


Dont forget that the singel biggest finansiel sponser of german nazi regime was infact the Rothchilds.

Dont forget that the singel biggest finansiel sponser of german nazi regime was infact the Rothchilds.

Please tell me you are joking....

Umm, the Nazis?

As far as I know, there aren't any Israelis rounding up Palestinians, starving them, executing them, and cremating them in concentration camps. And, I don't think there are any Israelis experimenting on Palestinian children or subjecting their women to torture and rape by solidiers.

And, AFAIK, the Jews in Germany didn't send nutjob fanatics with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up schools and restaurants. There is absolutely no comparison, because by this logic every country in the Middle East, and indeed the entire world, is comparable to the Nazi regime.


Oh no, they execute the palistinians. Even in other countries mosad is operating and executing refugees from palestaine.
And no, they dont cremat them in the camps, they bomb them and shoot them :) Killing, rape and torture is a regulary happening.

Oh no, they execute the palistinians. Even in other countries mosad is operating and executing refugees from palestaine.
And no, they dont cremat them in the camps, they bomb them and shoot them :) Killing, rape and torture is a regulary happening.

bull fucking shit...

Edit: You are joking right?

Umm, the Nazis?

As far as I know, there aren't any Israelis rounding up Palestinians, starving them, executing them, and cremating them in concentration camps. And, I don't think there are any Israelis experimenting on Palestinian children or subjecting their women to torture and rape by solidiers.

And, AFAIK, the Jews in Germany didn't send nutjob fanatics with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up schools and restaurants. There is absolutely no comparison, because by this logic every country in the Middle East, and indeed the entire world, is comparable to the Nazi regime.


Oh no, they execute the palistinians. Even in other countries the mosad is operating and executing palistinians.
And no, they probarbly dont cremat them in the camps, they starv them, bomb them and shoot them :) Killing, rape and torture is a regulary happening in these regions.

bull fucking shit...

Edit: You are joking right?

I doubt that all of his claims are true, but IIRC Mossad did bomb several places in egypt attempting to destabilize the Nasser regime.

What was that called? operation phoenix? I'm looking now.

bull fucking shit...

Sorry, but its the facts and there are plenty of proves to that. Many years ago, a groupe of palestiniens were infact assassinatet in denmark. The operation was a Mosad oparation, but the danish secret service was fully aware, they were infact the ones setting up tha palistiniens. Unfortunadly ther were a civil witness, who was not supposed to be at the location when
the execution took place.

Sorry, but its the facts and there are plenty of proves to that. Many years ago, a groupe of palestiniens were infact assassinatet in denmark. The operation was a Mosad oparation, but the danish secret service was fully aware, they were infact the ones setting up tha palistiniens. Unfortunadly ther were a civil witness, who was not supposed to be at the location when
the execution took place.

Your going to need to present these "sad facts".

Sorry, but its the facts and there are plenty of proves to that. Many years ago, a groupe of palestiniens were infact assassinatet in denmark. The operation was a Mosad oparation, but the danish secret service was fully aware, they were infact the ones setting up tha palistiniens. Unfortunadly ther were a civil witness, who was not supposed to be at the location when
the execution took place.

:rolleyes: I don't believe you for 1 second

Please tell me you are joking....

The Rothchild dynasty, was based on war bonds. Why stop the tremendeus cash flow :)

Just bacause of a minor and very local confligt of interest. Besides who says ther is a confligt at all!? Israrel seems to prove there is no confligt!

Its only possible to fight what you know, and its only possible to know your self! So, nazies and jews are all the same!

I, for one, am ashamed that a question like that even arises. I know Israel has done some rather "questionable" things in its past, they were nothing like the atrocieties of the Nazi regime.

I, for one, am ashamed that a question like that even arises. I know Israel has done some rather "questionable" things in its past, they were nothing like the atrocieties of the Nazi regime.

Exactly. The OP should be ashamed of himself.

The Rothchild dynasty, was based on war bonds. Why stop the tremendeus cash flow :)

Just bacause of a minor and very local confligt of interest. Besides who says ther is a confligt at all!? Israrel seems to prove there is no confligt!

Its only possible to fight what you know, and its only possible to know your self! So, nazies and jews are all the same!

Do you have any sources for this? Or are you pulling it right out of your ass?

Thank you for agreeing. I am suprised there are not more people who would agree with us.

The Rothchild dynasty, was based on war bonds. Why stop the tremendeus cash flow :)

Just bacause of a minor and very local confligt of interest. Besides who says ther is a confligt at all!? Israrel seems to prove there is no confligt!

Its only possible to fight what you know, and its only possible to know your self! So, nazies and jews are all the same!

How can you say that nazis and jews are the same? I am absoluteley shocked!

How can you say that nazis and jews are the same? I am absoluteley shocked!

coughantisemitism
(directed to the reason people compare Nazis to Jews)

:rolleyes: I don't believe you for 1 second

I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that. Its all about timing! And the timing obviusly whent wrong, some where along the planning, and not during the actual expedition.

Who speak hebrew, and is trained to storm a room, take out every one person of a dusin, with in 3 sec., except for one single person, they couldent take out, for the reason they were never trained to take that one out. Its is not an obstacle, its as invisible to the expedition. They certainly trained this kind of action, over and over, a thousand times, in order to make no mistakes, to leave no trails or marks, what so ever. Cooperation is higly risky, and mistakes happens. Guess who?

[QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097004]I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that.[QUOTE]

There are such things as lies.

Where are you from? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a country who brainwashes it's people to hate Israelis and Jews.

coughantisemitism

What do you mean???

[QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097004]I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that.[QUOTE]

There are such things as lies.

Where are you from? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a country who brainwashes it's people to hate Israelis and Jews.

What matters to you?
It Dosent matter where I am from. I dont believe in god, as it comes in any shape. But I dont hate whorshippers of anything, why would I do that. I dont even fill sorry for you...well, ok. maybe I fel a bit sorry for you guys, sometimes - I'm sorry about that. :)
Dont believe in l that god crap, it just gives you worryes and make you hade everybody els.
Anyway, have can a lie excist, as you claime?

What do you mean???

You asked how can people compare Nazis to Jews and I suggested it's antisemitism. I'm sorry, I see now that it looks like I'm accusing you of antisemitism, and it's far from the truth.

You asked how can people compare Nazis to Jews and I suggested it's antisemitism. I'm sorry, I see now that it looks like I'm accusing you of antisemitism, and it's far from the truth.

That would be rather akward....

I am a jew

That would be rather akward....

I am a jew

:)
That's why I clarified.

I thank you for the clarification, then.

[QUOTE=Isralandia;12097008][QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097004]I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that.

What matters to you?
It Dosent matter where I am from. I dont believe in god, as it comes in any shape. But I dont hate whorshippers of anything, why would I do that. I dont even fill sorry for you...well, ok. maybe I fel a bit sorry for you guys, sometimes - I'm sorry about that. :)
Dont believe in l that god crap, it just gives you worryes and make you hade everybody els.
Anyway, have can a lie excist, as you claime?
That has nothing to do with God or religion.
Plus you need to polish your English, I can't understand a word.

What I still don't understand is why people think Israel is so bad. When it was formed, yes they did take over land that Palestinians were already living on, but Israel did allow them to be citizens, so how could you say, in the beginning, that Israel was worse?

Why would it make you realise anything?

Why would it make you realise anything?

Just something related to the discussion ive never understood, thats all.

[QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097033][QUOTE=Isralandia;12097008]
That has nothing to do with God or religion.
Plus you need to polish your English, I can't understand a word.

It always amazes me that people on the internet find it appropriate to correct other people's English/typing skills. If you don't want to read it, or have trouble reading it so badly that it distrubs you, QUIT READING IT!

Why in the world do you have to reply correcting someones English as if you have some sort of celestial grip on intellect and should therefore wobble around the 'verse telling people how dumb they are?

Of all the intraweb behavior that should be ridiculed and belittled, I think this^ is prolly #1 on my hit list.

What I still don't understand is why people think Israel is so bad. When it was formed, yes they did take over land that Palestinians were already living on, but Israel did allow them to be citizens, so how could you say, in the beginning, that Israel was worse?
Actually the Palestinians fled the country, thinking that their arab buddies would kill all the jews and the Palestinians would get to come back and take over thelands that had been improved by the Jews. Funny that.

The whole thing was a British screw up. I am not sure I can think of one thing the Brits did in the last 50 years of their Empire that wasn't dumber than a bag of hammers. Besides begging the US to save them in WWII.:rolleyes:

Actually the Palestinians fled the country, thinking that their arab buddies would kill all the jews and the Palestinians would get to come back and take over thelands that had been improved by the Jews. Funny that.

The whole thing was a British screw up. I am not sure I can think of one thing the Brits did in the last 50 years of their Empire that wasn't dumber than a bag of hammers. Besides begging the US to save them in WWII.:rolleyes:

Are you sure you've got your facts right?

[QUOTE=Isralandia;12097046][QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097033]

It always amazes me that people on the internet find it appropriate to correct other people's English/typing skills. If you don't want to read it, or have trouble reading it so badly that it distrubs you, QUIT READING IT!

Why in the world do you have to reply correcting someones English as if you have some sort of celestial grip on intellect and should therefore wobble around the 'verse telling people how dumb they are?

Of all the intraweb behavior that should be ridiculed and belittled, I think this^ is prolly #1 on my hit list.

Excuse me, but you are very far off topic.

[QUOTE=Isralandia;12097046][QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097033]

It always amazes me that people on the internet find it appropriate to correct other people's English/typing skills. If you don't want to read it, or have trouble reading it so badly that it distrubs you, QUIT READING IT!

Why in the world do you have to reply correcting someones English as if you have some sort of celestial grip on intellect and should therefore wobble around the 'verse telling people how dumb they are?

Of all the intraweb behavior that should be ridiculed and belittled, I think this^ is prolly #1 on my hit list.

If you read the post I was responding to, you'd understand. I ACTUALLY didn't understand what he was trying to say and we were in a middle of an argument. English is not my first language either and I make mistakes as well but I try to be comprehendable.

[QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097033][QUOTE=Isralandia;12097008]
That has nothing to do with God or religion.
Plus you need to polish your English, I can't understand a word.


What matters to you?

It Dosent matter where I am from. I dont believe in god. But I dont hate followers and worshipper of anything, why would I do that. I dont even feel sorry for you...well, ok. maybe I feel a bit sorry for you guys, sometimes - I'm sorry about that.
Dont believe in all that god crap, it just gives you worries and make you hade everybody els.

Anyway, how can a lie excist, as you claime?

If you'll take notice the entire post was not critizicing the previous post's english.

Your going to need to present these "sad facts".

Why would it make you realise anything?

Are you sure you've got your facts right?



Not a bit of them. Well, I'll claim 50% truthiness. The other 50% is more O'reillishness. I was mostly being silly since this issue has been hashed and rehashed forty nine times in the last three weeks...

In truth the Brits screwed up the middle east when they started pulling out of the region. All of the old EMpires left messes behind. And many Palestinians did run away. But I believe many were told to get out by invading forces, and not so many thought they would get to come back and take over the good stuff.
Overal, I would truly say that the whole thing is 50/50 nastiness on each side by now. Although it look sto be going to a 3 way split now...:rolleyes:

I oversiimplify for laziness' sake, and brevity, but IMHO that is a fairly honest description nowadays.

http://memepedia.info/images/c/c5/Stopposting.jpg

Why won't this thread die? :(

SPAM IT TO IT'S DEATH!

If you'll take notice the entire post was not critizicing the previous post's english.

I apologize. people have been picking on me for my poor typing skills and I flipped out. In NO WAY should a comparison between Nazi Germany and Modern Israel be allwoed in a public debate between decent people. Being a believer in freedom of speech, I welcome all debate, as long as I am allowed to smack you when you say stupid things like "Israel a stolen nation who are commiting genocide on the Palestinians" In that case you should get whacked in the back of the head by an old lady with an umbrella.

If you think the principles of this thread are bad, you should see the one called "A world without Zionism". Ouch!

[QUOTE=Natural Compassionstan;12097004]I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that.[QUOTE]

There are such things as lies.

Where are you from? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a country who brainwashes it's people to hate Israelis and Jews.

It dosent matter, where I was born. What matters to me, is that I dont belive in any shit. I dont believe in any expresion of hate or love, that being a marrige, a nation, any nationalities, any economies, or so called value, there are no races, and I dont believe in any kind of hierarchy and all that nonsens about classes.
However, I know that property only can be a matter to the liers, thiefs and murderes!

If you think the principles of this thread are bad, you should see the one called "A world without Zionism". Ouch!
I have seen it. And I wept. :(

I know, It hard to believe

Ther is no such thing as luck or unluck, destiny or any other crap like that.

It dosent matter, where I was born. What matters to me, is that I dont belive in any shit. I dont believe in any expresion of hate or love, that being a marrige, a nation, any nationalities, any economies, or so called value, there are no races, and I dont believe in any kind of hierarchy and all that nonsens about classes.
However, I know that property only can be a matter to the liers, thiefs and murderes!
http://memepedia.info/images/3/30/WTF_is_this.jpg

It is amazing how grossly misinterpreted Zionism is.

It is amazing how grossly misinterpreted Zionism is.


Its not misinterpreted, Zionism is out of tune with reality, its as any god happy bonanza, based on a lie! Just because its old, it dosent make it more true!

Its not misinterpreted, Zionism is out of tune with reality, its as any god happy bonanza, based on a lie! Just because its old, it dosent make it more true!

I'll go post modernistic on you, you nihilistic twat.
But is truth? what is reality? define a lie?
Your truth? your reality? your definition of lie?
For someone who don't believe in anything, you sure make an effort to define a world by your convictions.

Its not misinterpreted, Zionism is out of tune with reality, its as any god happy bonanza, based on a lie! Just because its old, it dosent make it more true!



Now that is just silliness. Pull the other one- its got bells on.

I'll go post modernistic on you, you nihilistic twat.
But is truth? what is reality? define a lie?
Your truth? your reality? your definition of lie?
For someone who don't believe in anything, you sure make an effort to define a world by your convictions.

What the hell are you talking about?

Are you asking me to define what I dont believe in? You know its just not possible! Reality can not be defined, because that will put it to end, and no one can truly have an interest in that. So there is no truth at all.

It is amazing how grossly misinterpreted Zionism is.
Tell me why it is so?:p

What the hell are you talking about?

Are you asking me to define what I dont believe in? You know its just not possible! Reality can not be defined, because that will put it to end, and no one can truly have an interest in that. So there is no truth at all.

you just made my head expode. You owe me your next three lives.:upyours:

because, it is interpreted as a bad thing. Zionism is not bad. It is (or rather, was) a movement by Jews who wanted to return to their "Promised Land" and create their own state, mainly to escape the anti-semitism brewing in Europe even after the Holocaust.

What the hell are you talking about?

Are you asking me to define what I dont believe in? You know its just not possible! Reality can not be defined, because that will put it to end, and no one can truly have an interest in that. So there is no truth at all.

So, if there's no truth at all, my dear nihilistic twat, that what you say is pretty much BS. because in need to have a certain truth to believe in for making assumption and convictions about the world.
So you basically don't have an idea what you want from reality, cause there is no reality.... you know what, I'll play along, there is no you.
How great is that.

So, if there's no truth at all, my dear nihilistic twat, that what you say is pretty much BS. because in need to have a certain truth to believe in for making assumption and convictions about the world.
So you basically don't have an idea what you want from reality, cause there is no reality.... you know what, I'll play along, there is no you.
How great is that.


The only reality is in the witness, reconizing a reality, and then its gone - finish. Reality goes with the witness, its only at work, from moment to moment. Its not permanent. Self is not existing in reality.
So you dont really see reality, what you see is your own self image. The reality is not a fact, only according to the memory of self, but that has nothing to do with the reality, it is just thoughts. So in reality, you realise what is your self, and then you leave it for good, Your only aces to it will be trough memory. You see? Thats it.
You can not want to get anything out of reality, because how can reality be any different? Its not possible at all. You can want to get something out of your fantasies, but they are only thoughts and so very limited. You see, you are allready completly lost in you dreamworld.
Its not a question about great or greater, its the only thing as a fact. No more BS! - Finish!

The only realty is in the witness, reconizing a reality, and then its gone - finish. Reality goes with the witness, its only at work, from moment to moment. Its not permanent. self is not existing in reality.
You see reality, in acording to a memory of self, not reality, and then you leave the reality. Thats it.
You can not want to get anything out of reality, because how can reality be any different? Its not possible at all. You can want to get something out of your fantasies, but they are only very limited. You see, you are allready completly lost in you dreamworld.
http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161828965416.jpg

pass thatshit around man--It must be goooood:D

you just made my head expode. You owe me your next three lives.:upyours:

I know, it sucks!

did i miss the part where Israel v. Nazis went to getting stoned?

Israel. No reason.

Israel. No reason.

Exactly no reason - Israel is just a bloody mistake, a violent egotrip, getting high on hatred!

Exactly no reason - Israel is just a bloody mistake, a violent egotrip, getting high on hatred!

That shows that you really don't know any israelis in person.

That shows that you really don't know any israelis in person.

Oh, I know a few people from that region. And I admit they are as good as they get, anywhere. But they moved to europe! People are no different, they are all the same. The body work exactly the same way in any one of us.

That shows that you really don't know any israelis in person.I do, and I know supporters of Israel in Europe, and I know some Jews.
Israel is a mistake. A Zionist mistake to assume to just go to Palestine and be welcomed for trying to obtain foreign land to create a state, the very idea of which is evil to the core, and the passage of time does not change that. A UN mistake to rid Europe of the Jews and to calm the worlds conscience after learning what really had been going on in Europe just before their noses. Then indeed a Jewish ego-trip. It always was.

I do, and I know supporters of Israel in Europe, and I know some Jews.
Israel is a mistake. A Zionist mistake to assume to just go to Palestine and be welcomed for trying to obtain foreign land to create a state, the very idea of which is evil to the core, and the passage of time does not change that. A UN mistake to rid Europe of the Jews and to calm the worlds conscience after learning what really had been going on in Europe just before their noses. Then indeed a Jewish ego-trip. It always was.

Say what you want, this is my country, and my home, and I don't plan on going out of here just because your ideals tell you so. if you really want to get rid the world of evil little me, you are welcome to pick up a gun and come and shoot me. after all, from all you say, it seems that I do not deserve to be among the living.

Say what you want, this is my country, and my home, and I don't plan on going out of here just because your ideals tell you so. if you really want to get rid the world of evil little me, you are welcome to pick up a gun and come and shoot me. after all, from all you say, it seems that I do not deserve to be among the living.You are part of an occupation, and you don't even understand it. My ideals are justice and humanity. Your remaining in Palestine defies both. As long as you don't move somewhere else and thus cause further suffering I consider you a criminal. An intruder in someone else's home.

Say what you want, this is my country, and my home, and I don't plan on going out of here just because your ideals tell you so. if you really want to get rid the world of evil little me, you are welcome to pick up a gun and come and shoot me. after all, from all you say, it seems that I do not deserve to be among the living.

Why do you talk like that? It totally crazy, dont you realze?
Evil, deserve, me, pick up a gun and... what da f...is that all about? You have lost it - Israel have lost it!

No body is among the living!

If you are interested in living you would praise the living and not bringing dead, supporting a bloody hadefull war on a technocratic and industrial level! Its a god damn criminal action the Israelians are responseble for, and it going on in your own f....ing neighborhood!
Israel is going any way, and for some sick, twistet religios reason, its obviusly going to take the bloody way! Your war is going to destroy everything, even your kids aswell, just the same way it have destroyed you!

You dont seriusly believe that the rest of the world is going stand up for you and support your filthy actions?

You are part of an occupation, and you don't even understand it. My ideals are justice and humanity. Your remaining in Palestine defies both. As long as you don't move somewhere else and thus cause further suffering I consider you a criminal. An intruder in someone else's home.

So you're not better than what you say the israelis are, where will I go? me and my parents have no other place to go, my father doesn't speak anything but hebrew and he's a bus driver. So you basically justify your humane ways by dislocating people who know nothing else in life.
How humane and thoughtful you are, thinking about one side only cause the other side defies your so called holier than thou ideals, truly, a work of art and light to all humanity.

So you're not better than what you say the israelis are, where will I go? me and my parents have no other place to go, my father doesn't speak anything but hebrew and he's a bus driver. So you basically justify your humane ways by dislocating people who know nothing else in life.
How humane and thoughtful you are, thinking about one side only cause the other side defies your so called holier than thou ideals, truly, a work of art and light to all humanity.Why don't you go to the US. They love Jews in the US. And they cause suffering to Arabs just as you do. You would neatly blend in.

if you really want to get rid the world of evil little me, you are welcome to pick up a gun and come and shoot me. after all, from all you say, it seems that I do not deserve to be among the living.

Airfare is expensive these days.

if someone mentions the bible I BLAMING YOU:mad:


Sorry, forgot to run it through the "Fundie Opening" checker....


Dont forget that the singel biggest finansiel sponser of german nazi regime was infact the Rothchilds.

Now look, we've had enough fuckwittery in this thread as it is. Go away and start a thread called "Holistic Cancer Cure". That'll get you the attention you crave.


Actually the Palestinians fled the country, thinking that their arab buddies would kill all the jews and the Palestinians would get to come back and take over thelands that had been improved by the Jews. Funny that.

Bollocks, as has been shown in detail earlier.

And as "Jews" only owned 7% of the land, wouldnt running off in order to get it be more trouble than it was worth?

You people are freaking evil if you really believe that crap. Unknown Apathy, please don't think that anyone with any sense would say or think things like this. It is obvious that they are so eaten up with hatred that they will never be happy or sane. Just keep on trying to be decent and assume that one day they will get their just deserts.

Airfare is expensive these days.No. E.g. I can get from Strasbourg to Oslo for 23€.

Now look, we've had enough fuckwittery in this thread as it is.
And you have been right at the center of a great deal of it. I can only assume that you really are as crazy and stupid as you sound.

You people are freaking evil if you really believe that crap. Unknown Apathy, please don't think that anyone with any sense would say or think things like this. It is obvious that they are so eaten up with hatred that they will never be happy or sane. Just keep on trying to be decent and assume that one day they will get their just deserts.Right. Anyone who believes in the crap that there ever was a justification for a Jewish state in Palestine must be suffering from some mental disease.

Why don't you go to the US. They love Jews in the US. And they cause suffering to Arabs just as you do. You would neatly blend in.A classic case of your inanity. I can't stop you from demanding taht an entire nation pick up thei bags and leave their homes, but I can certainly laugh at your stupidity. Your solution is basically "fuck the joos and while you're at it, kill them and thier American lovers as well,"
And you want to call someone else a crackpot.
You're a loon, my friend. And if this attitude of most arabs, no wonder they can't refrain from killing themselves and everyone they meet.

Why don't you go to the US. They love Jews in the US. And they cause suffering to Arabs just as you do. You would neatly blend in.

You think that's about it, you're gravely mistaken, your mind is set on one path, your holier than thou dogma is an attempt by an indevidual who doesn't see the reality to it's fullest and believe that his way is the only way.
Such behaviour constitute governments who are anything but humane and just.

At least I try to find a way that will reconcile both sides, a way of co-existence.
You on the other hand, being the hypocrite that you are, try to segregate groups, and don't try to aim toward co-existence what so ever which is above all the most humane and just way

Why don't you go to the US. They love Jews in the US. And they cause suffering to Arabs just as you do. You would neatly blend in.
Yay, hypocrisy and generalisations are fun!

So you're not better than what you say the israelis are, where will I go? me and my parents have no other place to go, my father doesn't speak anything but hebrew and he's a bus driver. So you basically justify your humane ways by dislocating people who know nothing else in life.
How humane and thoughtful you are, thinking about one side only cause the other side defies your so called holier than thou ideals, truly, a work of art and light to all humanity.

No, please stay, and do what you have to do! Driven by god and hate, is a mentel problem anyway...you can not move out of it! Forget about that.
Stay and realise, that mankind was never a live, just to fail, in order to be a "good follower - a good worshipper!"

You think that's about it, you're gravely mistaken, your mind is set on one path, your holier than thou dogma is an attempt by an indevidual who doesn't see the reality to it's fullest and believe that his way is the only way.
Such behaviour constitute governments who are anything but humane and just.

At least I try to find a way that will reconcile both sides, a way of co-existence.
You on the other hand, being the hypocrite that you are, try to segregate groups, and don't try to aim toward co-existence what so ever which is above all the most humane and just wayCo-existence? We already see what Israelis mean with that.

Co-existence? We already see what Israelis mean with that.
And the Palestinians do want to peacefully co-exist? :rolleyes:

And you have been right at the center of a great deal of it. I can only assume that you really are as crazy and stupid as you sound.

Getting snotty because you're called out on various inaccuracies? I've said nothing either "crazy" or "stupid" on topic, whatever about off it.

Feel free to quote whatever has irked you, so we can all see an example.

Why would it make you realise anything?

supply links of your assertations or shut up

A classic case of your inanity. I can't stop you from demanding taht an entire nation pick up thei bags and leave their homes, but I can certainly laugh at your stupidity. Your solution is basically "fuck the joos and while you're at it, kill them and thier American lovers as well,"
And you want to call someone else a crackpot.
You're a loon, my friend. And if this attitude of most arabs, no wonder they can't refrain from killing themselves and everyone they meet.Well, they packed their bags and left home when they came from Europe to Palestine since the end of the 19th century. They already moved en masse to a land they were foreigners in (and are) for the plight of that land's inhabitants. If they could come that way they can leave that way.

Actually the Palestinians fled the country, thinking that their arab buddies would kill all the jews and the Palestinians would get to come back and take over thelands that had been improved by the Jews. Funny that.

The whole thing was a British screw up. I am not sure I can think of one thing the Brits did in the last 50 years of their Empire that wasn't dumber than a bag of hammers. Besides begging the US to save them in WWII.:rolleyes:

how idiotic
learn history:rolleyes:

Co-existence? We already see what Israelis mean with that.

Really? and those in control of the poor little palestian population tried to do that as well? aww, sorry that I missed that.
And Israelis have tried more, at least our government tried... oh sorry, it was a political ploy in order to lure all those naive Palestinians in complacency and than we'll carpet bomb everyone....
Damn, your zealous pursuit of your own version of justice has blind you.

And the Palestinians do want to peacefully co-exist? :rolleyes:They just want to exist. Without the "co"s that were forced on them.

They just want to exist. Without the "co"s that were forced on them.
Just think of it as having a large amount of immigrants enter your country.

Really? and those in control of the poor little palestian population tried to do that as well? aww, sorry that I missed that.
And Israelis have tried more, at least our government tried... oh sorry, it was a political ploy in order to lure all those naive Palestinians in complacency and than we'll carpet bomb everyone....
Damn, your zealous pursuit of your own version of justice has blind you.You and your government tried what? Except solidifying the conquest?

Just think of it as having a large amount of immigrants enter your country.They are just that. Ideologically motivated immigrants with the set aim to create a state and to subdue the population.

Well, does it matter that we tried to reach peach agreements? of course not, it doesn't matter at all, cause you want israel to give up on areas which are in consensus such as tel aviv and haifa.

It doesn't matter what I'll say, for you, coexistance means that the entire land of israel be back to palestinians and all israelis will be back to their respective lands.
I said in the past that I do not agree with all of my governments actions, but to hell with anyone that believes that places such as Tel aviv or petah tikva will be given up on.

And by the way, we also want to exist.... but you don't care, do you....
All this arguement is moot, cause no matter what I said, you closed your mind to options beside the one you believe.
Dogmatic and zealous people such as you give bad name to liberalism and humanism.

They are just that. Ideologically motivated immigrants with the set aim to create a state and to subdue the population.
Create a state? So the Palestinians didn't have a state! Ha! It's not their land! Pwned! You fail!

In all seriousness, the Israelis do not intend to subdue the population. You sound like a WASP republican going 'PH34R T3h MEXICAN SCUM!!!11"

Create a state? So the Palestinians didn't have a state! Ha! It's not their land! Pwned! You fail!Jews wanted to create a state, you know that pretty well. And of course the land was the land and home of those actually living in it. Letting European Jews and their notion of superiority into Arab lands after the Turks had finally left was a mistake that Palestinian Arabs have to suffer from until this very day.

In all seriousness, the Israelis do not intend to subdue the population. You sound like a WASP republican going 'PH34R T3h MEXICAN SCUM!!!11"Jews wanted to supplant the population ever since the start of the Zionist movement.

They just want to exist. Without the "co"s that were forced on them.

Not with out the "co", but willingly and with out the "forced on" part!

In biology, the only interest you will find among the different existances, is to have a happy neighbore, so in nature life is all about mantaining this happy relationship. Keep him happy and you are safe.

Why is nature not applaying to human sociaty and its activities?
Because human sociaty is corrupted by a weird self image, it is falsified by fony balony leaders, indusing false idears and inventing values in order to messure a reality, something like god nature, to secure an up-stairs/down-stairs, UFO arguments to produce something called commen sence(?) freeking other dimensions, they need in order to keep right from wrong, good from bad, just in order to inslave the rest of the people.

Well, does it matter that we tried to reach peach agreements? of course not, it doesn't matter at all, cause you want israel to give up on areas which are in consensus such as tel aviv and haifa.

It doesn't matter what I'll say, for you, coexistance means that the entire land of israel be back to palestinians and all israelis will be back to their respective lands.
I said in the past that I do not agree with all of my governments actions, but to hell with anyone that believes that places such as Tel aviv or petah tikva will be given up on.

And by the way, we also want to exist.... but you don't care, do you....
All this arguement is moot, cause no matter what I said, you closed your mind to options beside the one you believe.
Dogmatic and zealous people such as you give bad name to liberalism and humanism.You tried to reach a peace agreement? Laughable. The only PM ever who attempted a little step towards peace was killed by a Jew, and then your people elected Netanyahu to make sure that no other attempts would be made. And that's how it remains until today. Your people never wanted co-existence, the wanted rulership.
And as for your existence. Jews were given the possibility to exist elsewhere, but they declined for ideological/religious/racial reasons

You tried to reach a peace agreement? Laughable. The only PM ever who attempted a little step towards peace was killed by a Jew, and then your people elected Netanyahu to make sure that no other attempts would be made. And that's how it remains until today. Your people never wanted co-existence, the wanted rule.

Really? there's only one problem with that... the financial aspect, you see, to "rule" as you call it, over a foreign population cost money, and the last thing the majority want is to waste money over a topic such as this, when the funds can go to better social wellfare.
Your entire theory is based on an assumption of knowing who are the israelis and what motivates them, sorry to tell you, but the majority of the israelis motivated by getting paid, and cursing their own government stealing money from them... been like that for the last decade.
So. no, israelis don't want to rule and waste valuable resources on a population that gives no gain and only cost more....

And if you'll come with the "cheap labour" trick, won't help, israelis prefer to use workers from Romania, thailand and philipins.

Try to learn to whole of israeli society.... oh wait, you have, from the internet... wise you are.... but fool as well... learn what motivates any person from the bourgeois class, and you'll have your answer.

Really? there's only one problem with that... the financial aspect, you see, to "rule" as you call it, over a foreign population cost money, and the last thing the majority want is to waste money over a topic such as this, when the funds can go to better social wellfare.
Your entire theory is based on an assumption of knowing who are the israelis and what motivates them, sorry to tell you, but the majority of the israelis motivated by getting paid, and cursing their own government stealing money from them... been like that for the last decade.
So. no, israelis don't want to rule and waste valuable resources on a population that gives no gain and only cost more....

And if you'll come with the "cheap labour" trick, won't help, israelis prefer to use workers from Romania, thailand and philipins.

Try to learn to whole of israeli society.... oh wait, you have, from the internet... wise you are.... but fool as well... learn what motivates any person from the bourgeois class, and you'll have your answer.So money is the driving force behind your conquest and subsequent occupation? Decadence. You are even worse than I thought. You want a European lifestyle but you turned your back on Europe and European values and instead reverted to your claims and behavior from the bronze-age.

So money is the driving force behind your conquest and subsequent occupation? Decadence. You are even worse than I thought.
Um, what? He said nothing of the sort. Anyway, I'd have thought that money would be a less questionable reason than so they can eat Palestinian babies.

Co-existence? We already see what Israelis mean with that.

how so?

back up with links/documentation

Um, what? He said nothing of the sort. Anyway, I'd have thought that money would be a less questionable reason than so they can eat Palestinian babies.Yes, he said that. He said, that they just don't care what land they occupy and what suffering they continue to cause as long as they get paid.

Jews wanted to create a state, you know that pretty well. And of course the land was the land and home of those actually living in it. Letting European Jews and their notion of superiority into Arab lands after the Turks had finally left was a mistake that Palestinian Arabs have to suffer from until this very day.


more or less true.
But the land was not owned by those people living on it.
Like i've tried to point out repeatedly to you, you do realise OVER HALF the population of Isreal is arab, right?

Yes, he said that. He said, that they just don't care what land they occupy and what suffering they continue to cause as long as they get paid.
He said that they aren't oppressing the Palestinian people because it's a waste of money and it can go to better things.

So money is the driving force behind your conquest and subsequent occupation? Decadence. You are even worse than I thought. You want a European lifestyle but you turned your back on Europe and European values and instead reverted to your claims and behavior from the bronze-age.

hey at had to REVERT to the bronze-age.
Most of us are still waiting for the middle-east to come out of the middle-ages :p

UB

you seem to beleive that the middle-east is only for the arabs.

considering that a majority of the population of israel does that not make it an arab country?

Or is it the fact that they're jews and only muslim countries should be allowed in the middle-east?

He said that they aren't oppressing the Palestinian people because it's a waste of money and it can go to better things.Nevertheless, the continue to do so.

UB

you seem to beleive that the middle-east is only for the arabs.

considering that a majority of the population of israel does that not make it an arab country?

Or is it the fact that they're jews and only muslim countries should be allowed in the middle-east?I believe that the Middle-East is for those who belong there. That excludes the Jews who have come from Europe, Russia, or elsewhere ever since the rise of Zionism. Those who have come to create their state there although the land was already inhabited by those who wanted to finally determine their own future.

I believe that the Middle-East is for those who belong there. That excludes the Jews who have come from Europe, Russia, or elsewhere ever since the rise of Zionism. Those who have come to create their state there although the land was already inhabited by those who wanted to finally determine their own future.

Guess what. JEWS COME FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. The only reason they are in Europe, Russia etc is because of the disporia earlier on.

I believe that the Middle-East is for those who belong there. That excludes the Jews who have come from Europe, Russia, or elsewhere ever since the rise of Zionism. Those who have come to create their state there although the land was already inhabited by those who wanted to finally determine their own future.

ok, i kinda understand your reasoning.

But what about the fact that over half the citizens of Israel are arab? I assume you think they should be allowed to live there, how they want, under what ever government they choose. They seem to choose to remain Israeli amd to keep the state of israel.

Of course there are issues that need to be solved, but you must realise this is only going to happen through diplomacy and some sort of compromise between palestine + aliies and israel + allies.

Right. Anyone who believes in the crap that there ever was a justification for a Jewish state in Palestine must be suffering from some mental disease.

The justifications are

- Jews have had a state in the region, and indeed would have continued to have had a state for over 3000 years, were it not for invasion
- Jews built up comunities and land in the region and thus they were entitled to a degree of self determination
- Jews were a majority in the region that was Israel when it was first created
- Jews needed a home of their own in a land that meant something to them. Persecution throught history meant that they could not merely be guests in other peoples countries

The justifications are

- Jews have had a state in the region, and indeed would have continued to have had a state for over 3000 years, were it not for invasion

this all depends on how you define a state though.
So although it is a valid argument it is down to subjective definitions


- Jews needed a home of their own in a land that meant something to them. Persecution throught history meant that they could not merely be guests in other peoples countries

I agree. The problem is it has only really been done for them.
I mean in theory don't the Tamil desrve their own homeland or the Kurds?

just pointing out arguments.

- Jews have had a state in the region, and indeed would have continued to have had a state for over 3000 years, were it not for invasionJews never had an independent state. They had some kind of autonomy under the Hasmoneans, that's all.
- Jews built up comunities and land in the region and thus they were entitled to a degree of self determinationas long as their self-determination didn't go beyond what a 5 to 10 % minority was justified to claim.
- Jews were a majority in the region that was Israel when it was first createdonly because they mass immigrated to supplant the original population there. Nevertheless there was never a majority in all Palestine that was for a partition in the first place.
- Jews needed a home of their own in a land that meant something to them. Persecution throught history meant that they could not merely be guests in other peoples countriesPalestinian Arabs are not responsible for what Jews allegedly needed or what supposedly meant something to them and why. The persecution of Jews was the Jews' business, not the Arabs', and there was never any reason to cut out a part of Palestine/Arabia to give it to foreign immigrants. Palestine only meant something to Jews because of ideology and religion which is no cause at all really. On the other hand Arabs had every right and justification to remain on the soil they tilled and that has fed them for centuries. I don't see any justification to part any Arabs from their homes, just to meet a weird desire of foreign Jews.

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don't forget my post

ok, i kinda understand your reasoning.

But what about the fact that over half the citizens of Israel are arab? I assume you think they should be allowed to live there, how they want, under what ever government they choose. They seem to choose to remain Israeli amd to keep the state of israel.

Of course there are issues that need to be solved, but you must realise this is only going to happen through diplomacy and some sort of compromise between palestine + aliies and israel + allies.Israelis shit on diplomacy and on compromises. Have you been living in a box for the last 20 years?

And as for your citizens:
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html
and
http://www.israelvotes.com/2006/images/population_big.jpg

Israelis shit on diplomacy and on compromises. Have you been living in a box for the last 20 years?
And the Palestinians don't? I seem to recall you said that the Palestinians want to live without the 'co's'. That doesn't seem very compromising to me.

And the Palestinians don't? I seem to recall you said that the Palestinians want to live without the 'co's'. That doesn't seem very compromising to me.Why should they want to live with the foreign occupiers of their land? If someone breaks into your house and just settles down there, are you supposed to go into any compromises?

Why should they want to live with the foreign occupiers of their land? If someone breaks into your house and just settles down there, are you supposed to go into any compromises?
You're not supposed to kill them, for starters. But this is obviously a double standard. You're saying the Palestinians are not expected to accept compromises- but the Israelis are evil because they never compromise? :rolleyes: The Israelis can't compromise in the first place if the Palestinians won't accept it.

how so?

back up with links/documentation

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-7828123714384920696

You all seem to be missing the point. So each has there own way of ruling. I'd have to say though Hitler is one of the worlds greatest leaders of all time. If he wasn'tHe wouldn't have gotten people to roast homosexuals or Jews. I mean Hitler had everything you need to lead a nation. You might argue this, but it's true. He got others to choose his beliefs over others and had a nation in complete control. If he hadn't made the major mistakes he did who knows maybe he would have been a complete world hegemon.

Good distinct points.

good first post!
its always nice to have another troll on the forum. Makes life a lot more entertaining.

Let me guess your around 13, pimply, get picked on in school and play with yourself?

P.S. What you always worried about is true, your parents are ashamed of you and keep on wondering where they went wrong

Now tell me what is wrong with his post that you called him a troll when what he said was indeed true.

You're not supposed to kill them, for starters. But this is obviously a double standard. You're saying the Palestinians are not expected to accept compromises- but the Israelis are evil because they never compromise? The Israelis can't compromise in the first place if the Palestinians won't accept it.Israelis are evil because they are foreigners, invaders, occupiers. And even though Palestinians have already accepted the Green Line as a border, the Jews still won't stop their occupation. There have never been any serious offers from Israel, so there is absolutely no reason for any compromises.

Israelis shit on diplomacy and on compromises. Have you been living in a box for the last 20 years?

don't be idiotic. I never said israel wanted peace and the arabs did'nt, or any similar claim for either side. But i notice that israel return land to egypt after they signed a peace agreement. I realise your a racist but COME ON, do you think anything else but a compromise is ever going to solve the issues in the mid-east?

And as for your citizens:
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html
and
http://www.israelvotes.com/2006/images/population_big.jpg

interesting link
you do realise i hope that Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Temani Jews who make up half the jewish population in Israel are the descendents of jewish refugees from arab lands, thus they could be classified as arab aswell.

I think the two are tied. sure the Israelites don't experiment on children, but both raped women, torture people on the basis of race, demolish civilian houses. and the Nazis didn't launch SCUD missiles at power plants. and so what. the romans did this, the Americans even do some of this stuff. but that doesn't make it right. does it?:gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

bull fucking shit...

Edit: You are joking right?

I have a feeling he is joking on that last bit about the Mosad killing refugees in other countries because they hate them.

Exactly. The OP should be ashamed of himself.

Trust me. He isn't.

Now tell me what is wrong with his post that you called him a troll when what he said was indeed true.

i nearly answered seriously.

you are joking right?:(

I think the two are tied. sure the Israelites don't experiment on children, but both raped women, torture people on the basis of race, demolish civilian houses. and the Nazis didn't launch SCUD missiles at power plants. and so what. the romans did this, the Americans even do some of this stuff. but that doesn't make it right. does it?:gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:
Lovely first post. :rolleyes:
The Romans launched SCUDs at power plants? Really? :p

Thank you for agreeing. I am suprised there are not more people who would agree with us.

Try reading the whole thread. There are several places where people shot down Sovietstan for creating this thread.

I have a feeling he is joking on that last bit about the Mosad killing refugees in other countries because they hate them.

You'd be surprised but he later responded to me that he was dead serious. We can't help it if people are stupid right?

I know, It hard to believe

Its hard to believe because you have yet to provide facts to back up your claims. We are all skeptical till you provide your sources.

I think the two are tied. sure the Israelites don't experiment on children, but both raped women, torture people on the basis of race, demolish civilian houses. and the Nazis didn't launch SCUD missiles at power plants. and so what. the romans did this, the Americans even do some of this stuff. but that doesn't make it right. does it?Israelites ceased to exist almost 2600 years ago.

Israelis are evil because they are foreigners, invaders, occupiers. And even though Palestinians have already accepted the Green Line as a border, the Jews still won't stop their occupation. There have never been any serious offers from Israel, so there is absolutely no reason for any compromises.

You use the word "evil" quite easily. Calling a group of people this is a dangerous move not to mention foolish. And no matter what examples you try to use, there are others that could be used where the Palestinians had an offer and turned it down flat. You simply cannot blame one party for the problem there.

Lovely first post. :rolleyes:
The Romans launched SCUDs at power plants? Really? :p

hey the greeks invented steam power, who knows whats going to be uncovered next:D

don't be idiotic. I never said israel wanted peace and the arabs did'nt, or any similar claim for either side. But i notice that israel return land to egypt after they signed a peace agreement. I realise your a racist but COME ON, do you think anything else but a compromise is ever going to solve the issues in the mid-east?Egypt? Returning the Sinai to Egypt obviously doesn't keep Israel from further occupation of the Wes Bank, does it?

interesting link
you do realise i hope that Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Temani Jews who make up half the jewish population in Israel are the descendents of jewish refugees from arab lands, thus they could be classified as arab aswell.As if.

I have a feeling he is joking on that last bit about the Mosad killing refugees in other countries because they hate them.

No, its a fact!

And I dont hate the jews, I dont hate anyone. By the way I am born with sephardic blod in my veins :) but, I still dont believe in all that god crap!

You use the word "evil" quite easily. Calling a group of people this is a dangerous move not to mention foolish. And no matter what examples you try to use, there are others that could be used where the Palestinians had an offer and turned it down flat. You simply cannot blame one party for the problem there.There was never any offer. So cut the crap.
And wanting what is someone else's is the very first evil there is. The Jewish desire for a state in someone else's land was and remains evil.

Are you sure you've got your facts right?

Actually he does and he does not.

Egypt? Returning the Sinai to Egypt obviously doesn't keep Israel from further occupation of the Wes Bank, does it?


why would it?

As if.

so an arab is not someone from arab lands?:confused:

There was never any offer. So cut the crap.
And wanting what is someone else's is the very first evil there is. The Jewish desire for a state in someone else's land was and remains evil.

so every nation on earth is evil because they've all done it?

more locally that makes Jordan and syria evil? fair enough

If you think the principles of this thread are bad, you should see the one called "A world without Zionism". Ouch!

Yep. I'm hitting that next after I go through the rest of these pages.

There was never any offer. So cut the crap.
And wanting what is someone else's is the very first evil there is. The Jewish desire for a state in someone else's land was and remains evil.

Oslo was one of many offers that could have made progress with the situation there. And your definition of evil is now even more sweeping. By that definition EVERYONE is evil. If you are going to tell me that you never desired something that wasn't yours then you are a liar. So are you evil?

Its not misinterpreted, Zionism is out of tune with reality, its as any god happy bonanza, based on a lie! Just because its old, it dosent make it more true!

Anyone know where I can find troll pictures for this troll here?

so every nation on earth is evil because they've all done it?
more locally that makes Jordan and syria evil? fair enoughNeither Syrians nor Jordanians ever flocked to a foreign land with the purpose to set up a state.

Its hard to believe because you have yet to provide facts to back up your claims. We are all skeptical till you provide your sources.

Darling.
Its not a link, its a living being. But if I share with you the identity of that person, it sure wound be a live for very long, and you properbly would not even care, and still not believe in it anyway, right!?

Darling.
Its not a link, its a living being. But if I share with you the identity of that person, it sure wound be a live for very long, and you properbly would not even care, and still not believe in it anyway, right!?
I'd have to say you're the most inebriated person I've ever seen on NSG. Congratulations.

Oslo was one of many offers that could have made progress with the situation there. And your definition of evil is now even more sweeping. By that definition EVERYONE is evil. If you are going to tell me that you never desired something that wasn't yours then you are a liar. So are you evil?:rolleyes: I already showed that the Oslo proposal wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Oslo in fact would have given Israel complete control over all Palestine. You never bothered to look into that "proposal". And really, I knew this was coming. I repeat: there was never any offer and Israel wants to force its desires on the Palestinians. There is no compromise intended. That's also why the voted for Likud, and now Kadima.

Neither Syrians nor Jordanians ever flocked to a foreign land with the purpose to set up a state.

but jordan conquered and occupied 31% of arab palestine, (which they lost in the following war to israel)

syrian occupation of lebannon?

:rolleyes: I already showed that the Oslo proposal wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Oslo in fact would have given Israel complete control over all Palestine. You never bothered to look into that "proposal".

And Oslo was simply a beginning. If it was accepted more concessions could have come later. Instead, radical Palestinians turned violent and the situation became much worse. I'm sure that the majority prefer things the way they are now then they could have been if Oslo remained intact.

And you ignored my question on your definition of evil. How about it?

Israel. No reason.

Why Israel? You have to have a reason why.

You are part of an occupation, and you don't even understand it.

And the Arabs are part of an occupation, and you don't even understand it.

My ideals are justice and humanity. Your remaining in Palestine defies both.

If your ideals are justice and humanity then why don't you get on your arab friends and tell them to help their palestinian brother refugees? Seems you are adding to the problem and not solving it by calling for the deaths of all Israelis. That is just plain STOOPED.

As long as you don't move somewhere else and thus cause further suffering I consider you a criminal. An intruder in someone else's home.

So you consider your arab friends criminals too? After all, they are also intruders in someone else's home.

What United Beleriand fail to understand is the simple fact that this land never belonged to the Palestinians. It was the Brits' and in 1947 the UN decided to give the land to the Jews. Never ever belonged to the Palestinians.

Why don't you go to the US. They love Jews in the US. And they cause suffering to Arabs just as you do. You would neatly blend in.

*cough* GENOCIDE *cough*

And Oslo was simply a beginning. If it was accepted more concessions could have come later. Instead, radical Palestinians turned violent and the situation became much worse. I'm sure that the majority prefer things the way they are now then they could have been if Oslo remained intact.

And you ignored my question on your definition of evil. How about it?Oslo was an Israeli attempt to finally gain full control over Palestine. You call that a beginning? Of what? Apartheid? There would have been no concessions later. Oslo was no concession proposal, it was a take-over attempt.
I already gave you a definition.

Yay, hypocrisy and generalisations are fun!

And stating that all jews should leave their homes is a call of Genocide.

And the Arabs are part of an occupation, and you don't even understand it.

If your ideals are justice and humanity then why don't you get on your arab friends and tell them to help their palestinian brother refugees? Seems you are adding to the problem and not solving it by calling for the deaths of all Israelis. That is just plain STOOPED.

So you consider your arab friends criminals too? After all, they are also intruders in someone else's home.

i believe the logic is

do as i say not as i do

And the Palestinians do want to peacefully co-exist? :rolleyes:

Ironically, Israel wants a peacefull co-existence than Hamas does.

Oslo was an Israeli attempt to finally gain full control over Palestine. You call that a beginning? Of what? Apartheid? There would have been no concessions later. Oslo was no concession proposal, it was a take-over attempt.
I already gave you a definition.

So every Israeli attemp to peace in the Middle East is an evil Zionist plot right?