NationStates Jolt Archive

Israel uses virtually pure PR.

Actually, while israel do use PR system, it also have a multi-party government and not a one party one, due to the fact that if a government wants to survive it needs to create a coalition with other parties, for example, Kadima is only 25% of the seats in the parlament, so in order to create a working majority (more than 61 seats) they need to work with other groups.

And not that it's interesting, the party I voted for is in the opposition (Meretz)

Again, shows that you do not know what goes in the head of the average israeliThere is no way of knowing that. But everybody can see the results of whatever the average Israelis are thinking. Increase of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, Apartheid Wall, further land grab, more dead Palestinians, civilians, even school kids (cf. Ahmed Khatib). You seriously expect anyone to trust your folks? Ever?

There is no way of knowing that. But everybody can see the results of whatever the average Israelis are thinking. Increase of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, Apartheid Wall, further land grab, more dead Palestinians, civilians, even school kids. You seriously expect anyone to trust your folks?

If you go at this like that, why should I trust anyone on this planet? I judge people individually and not by the actions of their sovereign state.
Do you think that I hate people of arab origin cause they are arabs? Not so, I actually don't hate them, and don't want them dead, I personally want peace, and I agree on giving away land and to get rid of the settlements, and so many I know. You don't have to believe what I say, cause you won't anyway as you've shown many times, but this is the reality, honey (as you yourself once said to someone)

On this forum you do. So I'm asking you, why Israel?

My lack of an answer is just as good as any explanation for anything I've seen on this forum. There are many different reasons I can give ranging from the plausible to the insane, but what's the point? Why shouldn't I just pick an answer and stick with it? I mean, someone made this thread, and asked a question, and I answered it. I don't have an obligation to expound upon my reply; to me, it will be sufficient, and that's all that matters. I don't need to rationalize myself or please anyone else with my answer, I just need to express it.

And I've done that in one word. And I may have a good reason, I may have no reason, this answer may *be* the reason, but I don't need to say it.

You see?

If you go at this like that, why should I trust anyone on this planet? I judge people individually and not by the actions of their sovereign state.
Do you think that I hate people of arab origin cause they are arabs? Not so, I actually don't hate them, and don't want them dead, I personally want peace, and I agree on giving away land and to get rid of the settlements, and so many I know. You don't have to believe what I say, cause you won't anyway as you've shown many times, but this is the reality, honey (as you yourself once said to someone)But the people are the state. Do you want to imply that none of the government's actions represent the will of the people? Then why is the government in office? And why isn't anybody doing anything effectively against decisions like that and their implementation? What does the opposition in parliament say? Or do?

Comparing Israel to the Nazis is little bit far fetched but something must be done about the differences of both the Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians. They must reconcile damn it. You cannot throw away six million Jews out of Israel (Muslims don’t have that capacity of hate to do it) but you cannot also do the same thing to the Palestinians. There should not be two states but one, and that state must be called Israel. Palestinians must have the same equal rights as the Jewish inhabitants. Exiled Palestinians must return to their homelands as well. Make Israel like America in which many ethnics call America their country. God hates greediness, he (sorry to the feminists) would rather see people share and live in harmony. There should be a dialogue between Arabs and the Jews for the Israeli/Palestinian problems. Israeli Jews must open up and Arabs must discard their anger towards Israel (after several defeats by Israel). Some nations would not allow this to happen though because they have so much interest in a divided middle east. There are countries that profit from the money that goes in out of that region (Middle East) for defense purposes, and fearful rulers who will obey any foreign request in order to keep their position in check.

But the people are the state. Do you want to imply that none of the government's actions represent the will of the people? Then why is the government in office? And why isn't anybody doing anything effectively against decisions like that and their implementation? What does the opposition in parliament say? Or do?

The people are the state?? Who are you? Mussolini?

Israel is a multi party republic, meaning the a few representatives represent the the population.
Now, if you'll check, you'll see that in the last decade the israeli government was replaced several times, why do you ask? simple, the people that voted for a certain party got disappointed.
As I said, the biggest party in the Knesset got about 25 percent of the seats, which isn't the majority, when people voted for the rest they didn't vision that there'll be a forced coalition that as you may have noticed, are far from stable.
The Israeli population lost faith in their populations a long time ago, that is shows in a very low voting percentage (about 60 percent, which is low for israel), and many parties that exist to show the farce of israeli politics
(7 sits for the the retired elder people party, voted by young people)
The fact is, you can blame israelis for being idiots (yes, many are), apathy (after the last 10 years, people just got tired, and don't care anymore), lazy (why go and vote, when you can chug down beer and watch the euro league), afraid (why go to protest when you can get into a fight, pain isn't fun)
And as for the opposition, well, because you sit on the outside, you see only the israeli-palestinian conflict, but there are other issues that currently people fight for, for example, the israeli student council is fighting against the treasury office and the government's decision ot cut down the budget for universities, and currently, the students, which are by all mean the only power that protest against any injustice (especially those of humanity and social science) are currently busy with fighting against a closer to home injustice, and among those people are arab students who study in israeli university.
But even than, you will see many petitions of anti-occupation groups (especially in my university - TAU - tel aviv university, the most left winged one in Israel).
So, yes, people are doing something, but in the end, the politicians are corrupt, and the beaurocracy is a bitch, so we are doing everything in our power, and more.

The people are the state?? Who are you? Mussolini?No, why? In a democracy the people is the sovereign, and the state. They decide and have their decisions implemented.

Israel is a multi party republic, meaning the a few representatives represent the the population.
Now, if you'll check, you'll see that in the last decade the israeli government was replaced several times, why do you ask? simple, the people that voted for a certain party got disappointed.
As I said, the biggest party in the Knesset got about 25 percent of the seats, which isn't the majority, when people voted for the rest they didn't vision that there'll be a forced coalition that as you may have noticed, are far from stable.
The Israeli population lost faith in their populations a long time ago, that is shows in a very low voting percentage (about 60 percent, which is low for israel), and many parties that exist to show the farce of israeli politics
(7 sits for the the retired elder people party, voted by young people)
The fact is, you can blame israelis for being idiots (yes, many are), apathy (after the last 10 years, people just got tired, and don't care anymore), lazy (why go and vote, when you can chug down beer and watch the euro league), afraid (why go to protest when you can get into a fight, pain isn't fun)
And as for the opposition, well, because you sit on the outside, you see only the israeli-palestinian conflict, but there are other issues that currently people fight for, for example, the israeli student council is fighting against the treasury office and the government's decision ot cut down the budget for universities, and currently, the students, which are by all mean the only power that protest against any injustice (especially those of humanity and social science) are currently busy with fighting against a closer to home injustice, and among those people are arab students who study in israeli university.
But even than, you will see many petitions of anti-occupation groups (especially in my university - TAU - tel aviv university, the most left winged one in Israel).
So, yes, people are doing something, but in the end, the politicians are corrupt, and the beaurocracy is a bitch, so we are doing everything in our power, and more.To sum it up: there is no hope for Palestinians?
But what about the media or public opinion? I mean, what the Israeli government does would be impossible in Europe.

No, why? In a democracy the people is the sovereign, and the state. They decide and have their decisions implemented.

To sum it up: there is no hope for Palestinians?
But what about the media or public opinion? I mean, what the Israeli government does would be impossible in Europe.

I apologize for my blunt language. but damn, you're an idiot.
I never said there is no hope, just that you, with all your zealous look of life, try to find deeper layers of a human society that works about laws of the individual before the law of the state, it's been like that everywhere, Europe, the Americas, everywhere.

I apologize for my blunt language. but damn, you're an idiot.
I never said there is no hope, just that you, with all your zealous look of life, try to find deeper layers of a human society that works about laws of the individual before the law of the state, it's been like that everywhere, Europe, the Americas, everywhere.You just elaborately explained why there will be no change. That what's going on right now will go on and on. Does that not in fact mean that there is no hope for Palestinians?
What deeper layers of society do you refer to? You say there is a difference between the individual and the state, to which I agree, and that in the case of Israel "the state" does things that are not the overall intent of the individuals in it? So who controls Israel?

You just elaborately explained why there will be no change. That what's going on right now will go on and on. Does that not in fact mean that there is no hope for Palestinians?
What deeper layers of society do you refer to? You say there is a difference between the individual and the state, to which I agree, and that in the case of Israel "the state" does things that are not the overall intent of the individuals in it? So who controls Israel?

First, I didn't say there won't be change, I said, it's slow.
Second, who control the state? corrupt politicians, there's a shocker.

First, I didn't say there won't be change, I said, it's slow.
Second, who control the state? corrupt politicians, there's a shocker.I call that hopeless. :(
And what will the slow change include and when will it work out? Israel just announced to built new Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

I call that hopeless. :(

Let's agree on one things, let take out the religious and ethnic parties in israel for a start.
Second, kick in the head of all the israeli neathertals, and for that I would gladly help you. of course, not in a violent way, just in outsmarting them.

Listen, people of different side of the fence can work together, and it happens, I admit that in a small scale for the time being, but it does happen.

And last, for the sake of real peace, both sides, need to get rid of their national ego, and admit to themselves "the other side is here, we can't change it unless bloodshed, and we saw that it didn't help, we need to do something better than that."

It's true that reality is a bitch, always been like that, but in the end, I want to dream for a better future where my children would look to their neighbours with a smile, and them in return do so.
I know that in my lifetime, it might not happen, but that's all I got, hope, for the sake of the next generation.

Let's agree on one things, let take out the religious and ethnic parties in israel for a start.
Second, kick in the head of all the israeli neathertals, and for that I would gladly help you. of course, not in a violent way, just in outsmarting them.

Listen, people of different side of the fence can work together, and it happens, I admit that in a small scale for the time being, but it does happen.

And last, for the sake of real peace, both sides, need to get rid of their national ego, and admit to themselves "the other side is here, we can't change it unless bloodshed, and we saw that it didn't help, we need to do something better than that."

It's true that reality is a bitch, always been like that, but in the end, I want to dream for a better future where my children would look to their neighbours with a smile, and them in return do so.
I know that in my lifetime, it might not happen, but that's all I got, hope, for the sake of the next generation.This already is the third or even fourth next generation. I share your dream but not the hope.

The Nazis didn't knock down the Twin Towers. :(

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DIE THREAD DIE!

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Hello. How are you today?

202 pages?

DIE THREAD DIE!

No chance.It's a zombie thread now.You can't kill it,it will just eat your brains.
*nod*

Hello. How are you today?

YOU!
You are keeping the thread alive!
I shall now have to kill you.
.....Stay right where you are.

YOU!
You are keeping the thread alive!
I shall now have to kill you.
.....Stay right where you are.

Ok. I will stay right here.

Hello. How are you today?

Evil.

As always.

Ok. I will stay right here.

Damn my inability to follow up death threats.Damn it to the bloody bowels of hell,I tell you!