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A little contradicting, don't you think.

That's because it's sarcastic...

Technocratic Party

A dedication to improvement
A belief in progress
A recognition of the need for efficiency
The party that believes in making things work

Improving our technology, improving our world, bringing a smile to your face:)

A little contradicting, don't you think. You'd like Bush, he says the same kind of thing.

Except his uprising wasn't a violent one. You're correct about everything else though ;)

Technocratic Party

A dedication to improvement
A belief in progress
A recognition of the need for efficiency
The party that believes in making things work

Improving our technology, improving our world, bringing a smile to your face:)

I knew I was doing a good thing when I voted on you guys :)

Don't compromise for your freedom,
Fight for it!
Vote for the Militant Leftist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472438)




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A little contradicting, don't you think. You'd like Bush, he says the same kind of thing.

How DARE you! Contradiction is the cornerstone of Militant Leftism and I'll NOT sit idly by while you MOCK the sanctity of the Cause, you racist!

I knew I was doing a good thing when I voted on you guys :)
Of course you did. We are the party that believes in progress and in policies that work. Technology is the path to success and technocrats believe that it is the goal of society to walk down that path to reach success for the good of mankind.

you do realise i'm actually laughing at you over this :p :p

i think this act of pettyness can simply be overlooked and ignored as of here on.

As I laugh at anyone taking this serious.
:p The laugher laughing at the laugher laughing at... you get the idea.

Call it petty, call it stupid, call it whatever. You can be sure it was fueled by the spirit of the party, both in and out of character. :D

And Greill, I may or may not be back in the next election thread, depending. But trust that the spirit of the Birthday Party will continue! Cakes and pies in the face of any who spoil the party!

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"We do slavery right!"

Don't compromise for your freedom,
Fight for it!
Vote for the Militant Leftist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472438)




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Such destruction is inefficient and will lead to brutal dictatorships.

Leave the path of mindless violence behind!
War may at times be a necessity but it always leaves death, destruction and ruined lives in its wake. Violence is not a preferred answer in many situations.

Vote Technocratic
The path away from death and destruction is through progress.

Technocratic Party

Engineering efficiency
Producing progress

Vote for a party that gives you more for your money. Our progress per penny ratio is greater than any other party.

I wonder which party spent the most on advertising.

I wonder which party spent the most on advertising.
I dunno, I advertise because I get bored and because advertising is really addicting for some reason. I do this for free, I love my job.

Vote Technocratic

Vote Militant Leftist!

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF

Because 169 million dead people say, Militarism is good!

The Communists wants no economy
The Socialists want a poor economy

VOTE FOR A STRONG ECONOMY FOR A STRONG NATION STATES

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Technology is at the center of a great economy. In this modern age you want a party that realizes the true potential of technology in all aspects of life.

Vote Technocrat

We are the people for technology for the people.

This time...

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A Conservative policy don't care about ordinary people. A UDCP policy don't care about our economy. Our policy care about both, that's because everyone matters.

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I voted. :D

I voted. :D
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Technocrat

Efficiency, Progress, Humanity

Efficiency for the government
Progress for society
Technology for mankind

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what does that have to do with anything? and where's the 19th century tables with the u.s. at the top? :rolleyes:

what does that have to do with anything? and where's the 19th century tables with the u.s. at the top? :rolleyes:
It was an attack against the Militant Leftist Party. I guess it would be more of a counter attack because the Militant Leftist Party attacked capitalism. Besides, why would anyone put up a table from over 100 years ago anyway?:confused:

Vote Technocratic

We believe in the future, not the past
Progress, not stagnation
Success, not defeat
Technology, not primivism

what does that have to do with anything? and where's the 19th century tables with the u.s. at the top? :rolleyes:
Grow a sense of humor! It's supposed to be funny.

It was an attack against the Militant Leftist Party. I guess it would be more of a counter attack because the Militant Leftist Party attacked capitalism. Besides, why would anyone put up a table from over 100 years ago anyway?:confused:

oh. still don't get it. by my shot was about U.S. slaughter of Native Americans.

how is that an attack? all those countries were militant leftist?

Grow a sense of humor! It's supposed to be funny.

how is a list of murders funny?

oh. still don't get it. by my shot was about U.S. slaughter of Native Americans.

how is that an attack? all those countries were militant leftist?



how is a list of murders funny?
Because 169 million dead people say, Militarism is good!
That's why.

It seems like the election campaigns from other parties are getting dirtier and dirtier and dirtier.

Many of the top ones were militant leftist and at the bottom he stated "Because 169 million dead people say, Militarism is good!" which is an attack against the militant aspect of the MLP

Ok, the Native Americans were killed. It was still over 100 years ago and is not a part of modern issues. We also practiced slavery for the first half of the century back then.

Come now! GW Bush, Stalin and Hitler were all people. Nope, and I especially wouldn't want them to have their own army of robot minions, and everybody knows that robots are only as good as the people who program them.

This time...

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Some parties care about minorities, others care about majorities. We care about everybody, that's because everyone matters.

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Many of the top ones were militant leftist and at the bottom he stated "Because 169 million dead people say, Militarism is good!" which is an attack against the militant aspect of the MLP
I think you didn't get it. I'm a bystander, but the post was aimed at all militaristic regimes (be they "leftis" or not). The connection between Stalin or even Tito and a Trotskyite/Left Opposition party would truly be against logic: not because Trotsky or Luxemburg might have done the same (which we may speculate about for ever), but, at the very least, because neither had the chance (and there has been no greater enemy of Stalin than Trotsky).

Vote for a proper education!
Vote for a party which recognises you as a human being, rather than a machine to be squeezed for senseless profit!

Vote for a party which gets its priorities right!
Vote for a party with real policies for a better society!
Vote UDCP!

Ok, the Native Americans were killed. It was still over 100 years ago and is not a part of modern issues. We also practiced slavery for the first half of the century back then.

the holocaust is still an issue. you know why native americans aren't?

the winners write history. christ, stalin killed more of his own people than hitler killed jews.

tell me how the holocaust is not a problem today, and i'll pay attention.

Vote Militant Leftist!

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF

Because 169 million dead people say, Militarism is good!

Nations with capital punishment should be on that list.

Nations with capital punishment should be on that list.
I'm just wondering why the dead Jews and Gypsies from Germany aren't counted as 'domestic'. They had German citizenships, didn't they?

Below is a simple flow diagram as to why you should vote ESP:

1. Do you like Marmite? If yes, vote ESP. Our economy will be Marmite based!
If no, go to question 2.
2. Do you like the sound of having every day of the year off work? If yes, vote ESP. Every day is a holiday with ESP!
If no, go to question 3.
3. So you don't like Marmite, or the idea of having a permanent holiday? You're silly. Vote ESP.

VOTE ESP! WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE EITHER!

Below is a simple flow diagram as to why you should vote ESP:

1. Do you like Marmite? If yes, vote ESP. Our economy will be Marmite based!
If no, go to question 2.
2. Do you like the sound of having every day of the year off work? If yes, vote ESP. Every day is a holiday with ESP!
If no, go to question 3.
3. So you don't like Marmite, or the idea of having a permanent holiday? You're silly. Vote ESP.

VOTE ESP! WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE EITHER!This reminds me of a Java program I made when I was in Info Tech 12 class.

Below is a simple flow diagram as to why you should vote ESP:

1. Do you like Marmite? If yes, vote ESP. Our economy will be Marmite based!
If no, go to question 2.
2. Do you like the sound of having every day of the year off work? If yes, vote ESP. Every day is a holiday with ESP!
If no, go to question 3.
3. So you don't like Marmite, or the idea of having a permanent holiday? You're silly. Vote ESP.

VOTE ESP! WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE EITHER!

whats marmite?!?!?!?!

i may switch parties! :p

whats marmite?!?!?!?!

i may switch parties! :p
Marmite is a relic of WWII.

whats marmite?!?!?!?!
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oh. maybe not. . . . . .

whats marmite?!?!?!?!

i may switch parties! :p
One convert. My work here is done.

Edit: One of my other posts in this thread (the honesty one) has a link to a picture of Marmite. Take a look on wiki, it's probably there.

This warrants further editing - Bill Bryson described Marmite as "an edible yeast extract with the visual properties of an industrial lubricant"! Wow!

This time...

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A fresh new government that works for everyone.

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One convert. My work here is done.

Edit: One of my other posts in this thread (the honesty one) has a link to a picture of Marmite. Take a look on wiki, it's probably there.

too late i already voted. :p

I think you didn't get it. I'm a bystander, but the post was aimed at all militaristic regimes (be they "leftis" or not). The connection between Stalin or even Tito and a Trotskyite/Left Opposition party would truly be against logic: not because Trotsky or Luxemburg might have done the same (which we may speculate about for ever), but, at the very least, because neither had the chance (and there has been no greater enemy of Stalin than Trotsky).
The MILITANT left party was in the title. It was a stand against all militarism but it was a greater stand against the MLP, probably a come back for the MLP's assault against capitalism that they had made earlier under the name of the classical liberals. This had everything to do with the politics going on at the time and there is only one party with the name militant in it and that is the MLP. This has nothing to do with Trotsky or Stalin, this has everything to do with one party attacking another. The MLP attacked capitalism under the name of the Classic Liberals and the Classic Liberals in return attacked militarism under the name of the MLP.

Wow, TCR, and we thought we were getting negative in the other forums. :p

too late i already voted. :p
International bastardry! Meh. See you at the office party this christmas?

The MILITANT left party was in the title. It was a stand against all militarism but it was a greater stand against the MLP, probably a come back for the MLP's assault against capitalism that they had made earlier under the name of the classical liberals. This had everything to do with the politics going on at the time and there is only one party with the name militant in it and that is the MLP. This has nothing to do with Trotsky or Stalin, this has everything to do with one party attacking another. The MLP attacked capitalism under the name of the Classic Liberals and the Classic Liberals in return attacked militarism under the name of the MLP.
Militantism≠militarism.

International bastardry! Meh. See you at the office party this christmas?

hell yeah. don't forget the bears, er, vodka! :p :D

sorry. i figured no one would believe my temptation of change when they saw my sig :rolleyes: . jeezus, can it be more obvious? :D

the holocaust is still an issue. you know why native americans aren't?

the winners write history. christ, stalin killed more of his own people than hitler killed jews.

tell me how the holocaust is not a problem today, and i'll pay attention.
1) You are right the winners do write history. We largely made this an issue to villify the Germans. It is not like many nations out there weren't anti-semitic anyway. I mean, our stand against the holocaust was not some big stand against racism, racism continued in the US for years after the holocaust anyway. I am sure that a few Americans would have liked to have their own final solution to their problems.

2) People are actually still alive from the holocaust. 50 years from now it will be less of a big deal. As time goes on less and less people will care about this event and it will become more and more a part of the past. Nobody sheds tears about the terrors of the Mongols, or the Vikings or the Romans. 100 years is quite a time away and the difference between that time and today is enormous. At that time murdering, suppressing, or taking advantage of native cultures was the norm anyway. Besides, European imperialists did worse to the world than the US did to the world by murdering and exterminating the indians. Not saying that the US was correct but we are still having problems over the crap that Europe screwed up, I don't blame modern European governments for this either, just as I don't think that the holocaust has much to do with modern Germany nor do I think that the Indian exterminations have much to do with the modern US.

3) The holocaust is only a big deal because of the war that happened at the time and our desire to villify the Nazis. There is genocide even today yet we sometimes don't even act upon it, there was no lesson learned, only a cheap method to attack our enemies as being evil.

Ok, I will admit 1 and 3 are practically the same but still my point is that it is not a big deal at this time. If you want to point a finger at the evils of the world don't dig up things that have happened over 100 years ago in a time period that has so little to do with the modern era. the 20th century was not that long ago, the 19th was and the 19th century was a much different time period.

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alright, i give up. granted.

i was just comparing holocaust/native americans. i think it was acknowledged, so you win.

This Time

(nah j/k)

Militantism≠militarism.
My idea gives a plausible reason for why the guy posted this. It was an attack. I am not saying that what he did made sense but still, why would a classic liberal advocate the MLP and offer a list of deaths saying that 169 dead people supported it? I am not saying that it made sense from a historical perspective but it HAD to be an attack and probably was a counter attack for a post made earlier by an MLP member that was anti-capitalist.

the debate spills out... http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10597254#post10597254

don't waste your vote on the MLP
VOTE UDCP!

SILLY OR SERIOUS, VOTE TECHNOCRATIC
___________________________________________________________________
If you're serious:
Technocracy means making provably better choices, not matter what. By definition we are the party with the best solutions. And no, we don't plan to enslave you to murderous robots.

If you're silly:
We support Transhumanism, which in layman's terms means goodies like these:
http://www.gq-magazin.de/imperia/md/images/tech_design/ihand/shot1_2.jpg

Silly or Serious, you win with Technocracy

My idea gives a plausible reason for why the guy posted this. It was an attack. I am not saying that what he did made sense but still, why would a classic liberal advocate the MLP and offer a list of deaths saying that 169 dead people supported it? I am not saying that it made sense from a historical perspective but it HAD to be an attack and probably was a counter attack for a post made earlier by an MLP member that was anti-capitalist.
Hm. Probably.

Vote Technocratic!!

We are a really cool party, we swear!!

This time...

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A moderate alternative to the UDCP and MLP

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This time...

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8409/dsp1b0bp.gif

A moderate alternative to the UDCP and MLP

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

Why are you guys even bothering? You've got more than twice as many votes as your closest competition! Take a rest.

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The NBIP

Because Tea Really Is That Good!

Technocratic Party
The moderate option in general

The moderate option in general

hahahahaha. funny. :rolleyes:

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The NBIP

Because Tea Really Is That Good!
No it isn't!! Tea SUCKS!!!

Robots are good though.

Vote Technocratic
The reason being that we all love robots for various reasons

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hahahahaha. funny. :rolleyes:
Ok, what wing are we on? Are we left wing? Right wing? What?

Ok, what wing are we on? Are we left wing? Right wing? What?You got no wings, therefore you can't fly.... :p

You got no wings, therefore you can't fly.... :p

perfect :p

You got no wings, therefore you can't fly.... :p
We have a horizontal helicopter rotor.... and an emergency jet pack. You don't need wings to fly baby.:D

Vote Technocratic

We are the party that believes in whatever works
We offer great support for technology and science
We are a party that strongly believes in efficiency and effectiveness

Technocrat, technology for the future

We have a horizontal helicopter rotor.... and an emergency jet pack. You don't need wings to fly baby.:D
At least we don't rust or get iced up during winter time. :p

At least we don't rust or get iced up during winter time. :p
But you aren't as manueverable. The rocket-rotor combo is invincible!! The power of a rocket and the manueverability of a helicopter rotor. Besides, why on earth are we arguing stupid metaphors?? It is as pointless as making "yo mama" jokes about each others parties.

You technocrats think only of the future, forgetting to live in the present...

You technocrats think only of the future, forgetting to live in the present...
It is those with vision that should lead the way. We are not guilty of blindness but instead realize that the future of mankind is the most important thing for politicians to see. We criticize politicians for vote-seeking and acting in manners that only emphasize short-term gain and exacerbate long term problems and yet we still often vote for them. Technocrats believe in the long term and we believe that mankind's future is too important to be forgotten. Certainly there is a bit of an idealist streak in Technocratic policy just as there is a deep pragmatic streak. It is more forgivable to think of the future than it is to linger in the past as most political parties end up doing.

We learn from the past, live the present, and guide the future. Why do you focus on the latter?

We learn from the past, live the present, and guide the future. Why do you focus on the latter?

We certainly learn from the past, in fact our efforts to do so extend beyond merely using the past as a convenient metaphor and actually allow us to study how to avoid the problems of the past in a scientific manner. We wish to make as much use of the past a possible.

As for living in the present, the future we speak of is closer than you think. The computer you type on is a massive feat of transhumanist ingenuity, allowing you to communicate with those too far away and unfamiliar for any other form, and to appear to be whoever you wish to. We already are much more than we have been, and will continue to become as such. We bring the future to the present faster than any other party because we chose our leaders on competence, not popularity.

We learn from the past, live the present, and guide the future. Why do you focus on the latter?
Because most people don't learn from the past but instead want to relive it. Technocrats bring new ideas, many of the other parties only seek to rehash old ideas and use them again and again no matter how flawed they may be. Technocrats definitely believe in learning from the past and they believe in finding the most efficient ways in doing things, however, we refuse to be constrained by past ideologies. Technocrats are progress oriented, and we do not seek to preserve dying principles but instead to apply methods that work.

Why is there no Birthday Party on there???

Why is there no Birthday Party on there???
Because the election is a farce.

what does that have to do with anything?

Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it!

and where's the 19th century tables with the u.s. at the top? :rolleyes:

now what would THAT have to do with anything? I'm a political propagandizer, not a historical lexicon!

how is that an attack? all those countries were militant leftist?

They were militant, anyway. Lot of them were leftists too, but it's really an attack on the "militant" part. (There's a separate chart for the purely leftist murderers, like Stalin and Mao etc.)

The whole IDEA of this parliament is that people can agree and compromise and work together for a better future.

The whole idea of being a militant leftist is, however, "I'm right, you're wrong and I'll shoot you gladly unless you shut up!" Not exactly progressive, shall we say.

That's probably why all the leftists are voting for the DSP anyway. At least they're only wrong about "leftist" instead of adding the additional crime of "militant." :)

I find the Technocratic Party lacking soul and a certain ideaology. It seems so vague and because it's so tech-based, it seems to be a bit unspirited.

But you aren't as manueverable. The rocket-rotor combo is invincible!! The power of a rocket and the manueverability of a helicopter rotor.
Damn, you win. :D
Besides, why on earth are we arguing stupid metaphors?? It is as pointless as making "yo mama" jokes about each others parties."yo mama" jokes are funnier though. :p

I find the Technocratic Party lacking soul and a certain ideaology. It seems so vague and because it's so tech-based, it seems to be a bit unspirited.

We're actually not as tech-obsessed as our ad campaign makes us seem. If you look at our manifesto (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473274), you'll see that we actually do have a rather specific ideology. We believe in government by the competent, not the popular, and we believe that concepts such as human rights value things at more than their actual value. We avoid the right and the left because we believe that economic and social policy must be weighed situation by situation.

That's probably why all the leftists are voting for the DSP anyway.Our party is not only for leftist, it's for everybody. That's because everyone matters.

Our party is not only for leftist, it's for everybody. That's because everyone matters.

Yeah yeah yeah. And so is the Militan Leftist Party.

You guys are SOCIALISTS. Do you know what "leftism" is?

It's a pity your propaganda is so persuasive, but it won't work on someone who actually thinks.

I find the Technocratic Party lacking soul and a certain ideaology. It seems so vague and because it's so tech-based, it seems to be a bit unspirited.
Well, we don't want to be ideologues, we want to be flexible. I realize that voters might have wanted a bit more solidarity in our positions but we honestly believe that flexibility is something necessary for making good decisions about running something. Each issue has its own merits. Also the tech-based aspects are due to the need for efficiency. The government is not a good ol' buddy that you talk to on a regular basis but rather is a large bureacratic body that is supposed to do good things for you. We seek to make sure that the large bureacratic body is at the very least efficient and that more good things are done for the people. Besides, politicians aren't human anyway but they would be better off as machines rather than rat-monkey-snake hybrids.

"yo mama" jokes are funnier though. :p
Well, if you want to make yo mama jokes about our party go right ahead. We are not tightwads and we realize that human beings are exactly that, human.

Well, if you want to make yo mama jokes about our party go right ahead. We are not tightwads and we realize that human beings are exactly that, human.

Especially their mamas.

Yeah yeah yeah. And so is the Militan Leftist Party.What? We = MLP. Now that's silly.

You guys are SOCIALISTS. Do you know what "leftism" is?
We support labour unions, affordable education and healthcare, and Kyoto. Unlike you, the Conservatives, and UDCP, we support a progressive system, not free market or full state control.

We are the only moderate left wing party here.

It's a pity your propaganda is so persuasive, but it won't work on someone who actually thinks.It's a shame you and the MLP are too busy mudslinging.

Yeah yeah yeah. And so is the Militan Leftist Party.

You guys are SOCIALISTS. Do you know what "leftism" is?

It's a pity your propaganda is so persuasive, but it won't work on someone who actually thinks.
Anything to add to the usual slander?

Well, if you want to make yo mama jokes about our party go right ahead. We are not tightwads and we realize that human beings are exactly that, human.Well, I rather not mudslinging like the MLP and the Liberals do.

Well, I rather not mudslinging like the MLP and the Liberals do.
Of course.... 'cause y'all are MA MA's BOYS!!! :p



....ok, just messing around!:D

What? We = MLP. Now that's silly.


Well, you both claim to support a lot more people than your policies really do.

MLP claims to support all "workers." You claim to care about "everyone."

I didn't say you were the same party.


We are the only moderate left wing party here.

Aha. So you're leftist. As I said. Funny since earlier you said you're "not just for leftists."

It's funny because it's a simple tactic anyone could use. Makes you seem more inclusive.

It's a shame you and the MLP are too busy mudslinging.

As long as it gives you votes, why exactly are you complaining? I have no delusions about achieving a majority. We lost many of our good minds. And with Bush's popularity having fallen, a lot more people are feeling "leftist" (not that Bush and American politics really have to do with left/right, but it's the image) and thus its inevitable that socialists on this forum are in greater number.

So fickle the world of politics is.

Anyway, I gotta go, your mom wants to taste my new chocolate flavored condom. ;)

Anything to add to the usual slander?

It's slander to say the Democratic SOCIALIST Party is socialist?

Maybe you could be a bit more specific about how I'm an evil lying capitalist corporate fatcat reactionary oppressive imperialist.

This time...

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A Classic Liberal policy don't care about ordinary people. A MLP policy don't care about our economy. Our policy care about both, that's because everyone matters.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

It's slander to say the Democratic SOCIALIST Party is socialist?

Maybe you could be a bit more specific about how I'm an evil lying capitalist corporate fatcat reactionary oppressive imperialist.
It's slander to say that socialism is bad, and it's slander to say that anything with "socialism" in it is the same.
Or maybe you could be more specific about how I'm a diehard Marxist living on a kolkhoz in Volhynia.

Aha. So you're leftist. As I said. Funny since earlier you said you're "not just for leftists."
That is indeed absurd. So, if Bush is a conservative, he is to be considered president of the conservatives, not of America. Great logic.

It's slander to say that socialism is bad, and it's slander to say that anything with "socialism" in it is the same.

I didn't say "socialism is bad" and I didn't say "anything with socialism in it is the same."

I did however, point out that socialism is generally considered leftist.

Try again!

That is indeed absurd. So, if Bush is a conservative, he is to be considered president of the conservatives, not of America. Great logic.

Of course, the difference is Bush is elected President of the USA. Whereas the DSP is not elected President of the USA. It's just one political party out of several. And it's a leftist one.

Try again!

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I admit that I had missed the beginning of your posts on the subject, and thus got the wrong impression.
However, if a party (any party, not just the one who happens to be mine) claims it is for everybody, BECAUSE it's ideology is aimed (theoretically) at everybody, you cannot argue against it besed on the assesment that it is a political option out of many. Sure it is. So?
In this case, the slogan makes more sense than in others: since our party is not Marxist, and since it allows for a free market etc., you cannot possibly attack it for being sectarian (as you would a "proletarian" party, or a middle-class one). Again, this is not to say that the position my party took is universally shared (proof: we are having this conversation); it is to say that this party is not prone on favouritism.

Anyway, I gotta go, your mom wants to taste my new chocolate flavored condom. ;)Wow, that leaves a bad impression of your party.

Whereas the DSP is not elected President of the USA. It's just one political party out of several. And it's a leftist one.
Let's just say that the DSP is the most moderate of the "left" parties here, and that you would do well to have a look at our manifesto because that explains things in more detail.

Wow, that leaves a bad impression of your party.
Yeah, but all of the insults are really sort of amusing.

Yeah, but all of the insults are really sort of amusing.

it is very funny, all this bickering over who killed who.

it is very funny, all this bickering over who killed who.
Killed? What? I was talking about all of the pointless insults. The mudslinging in other words.

Killed? What? I was talking about all of the pointless insults. The mudslinging in other words.

it was a monty python quote, obviously lost on you :rolleyes: .

no, i know the mudslinging is funny. especially only from one side :p .

Killed? What? I was talking about all of the pointless insults. The mudslinging in other words.

(Pst...It's a random humourous quote)

it was a monty python quote, obviously lost on you :rolleyes: .

no, i know the mudslinging is funny. especially only from one side :p .
Hmm... I guess I don't remember it or haven't seen it. Oh well.

Wow, that leaves a bad impression of your party.

Left a bad impression on her tongue too. Nyah nyah nyah.

As for what people think of my "party" I really couldn't care less. Because after people forget about NS General Parliament (the elections are really the most interesting part, after that it's boring and stupid and geeky) for a while, Ariddia will single-handedly disband the parliament that results from this election and have a new election anyway.

So it's not like it matters, is it?

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DSP defends workers' rights and freedoms. Workers should be guaranteed job security, benefits such as healthcare and workers' compensation, safety, a right to bargain, and a right to form labour unions.

We are strongly against outsourcing of jobs to low cost foreign labour markets.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

This time...

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DSP defends workers' rights and freedoms. (Except workers in other countries.) Workers should be guaranteed job security, benefits such as healthcare and workers' compensation, safety, a right to bargain, and a right to form labour unions. (Unless they're in other countries, then they don't have a right to work at all.)

We are strongly against outsourcing of jobs to low cost foreign labour markets. (Because workers in other countries should starve to death.)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

:eek:

Vote Technocrat
If you don't like our policies, then do it for the simple joy of irritating The Chinese Republics

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Yeah, many economists support outsourcing, however the fear of it is due to a fear of change and because people don't necessarily understand the economy and think that jobs sent over there will mean that the number of jobs will be reduced over here in about a 1:1 ratio or something.

*misquote above*

:eek:Is that all you do, just mudslinging instead of campaigning? You must be desperate for vote. :rolleyes:

I admire SB for making this election as realistic as possible.

Is that all you do, just mudslinging instead of campaigning? You must be desperate for vote. :rolleyes:
No, he just finds it fun to do. Besides, he just reinterpreted your comments anyway, it is really a criticism of your economic policies.

Is that all you do

No, I have an eclectic set of hobbies, including fingerpainting, juggling, magic, clubbing, farting, winetasting, beerdrinking, heckling and of course mudwrestling. I'm a Virgo and I also enjoy long walks on the beach.

You must be desperate for vote. :rolleyes:

I call it like I see it. Left, right, centrist, the people who oppose "outsourcing" are basically national supremacists who believe that their workers have an inherent right to a job just from being part of their nation - foreigners be damned!

And I'm not that desperate for a vote, I mean it's not like I'm posting some custom propaganda every four posts with giant huge letters proclaiming how generous and wonderful my party is. ;)

I call it like I see it. Left, right, centrist, the people who oppose "outsourcing" are basically national supremacists who believe that their workers have an inherent right to a job just from being part of their nation - foreigners be damned!

And I'm not that desperate for a vote, I mean it's not like I'm posting some custom propaganda every four posts with giant huge letters proclaiming how generous and wonderful my party is. ;)
Coming from a country that is a source for outsourcing (a quite an important one), I can tell you that is bogus. This country is growing crooked, its standards are forever impaired, it will forever be incapable to compete in any way with anything that the West produces, all because it is brain-drained, workforce-drained, and quality-drain.
Perhaps we have always been a peripheral country, but I was hoping for at least the mediocrity we never had. No. Instead, we get large-scale, polluting, un-unionised, shit-paying enterprises that do nothing for our country (not even through the "wealth contamination" scheme wanked around by neo-liberals). We also have a thin upper middle class, that makes scandalous incomes and backs any corrupt attempt at maintaining the status quo. Most of them are employed by or in business with outsourcing companies in the US and Europe. The only thing that they have done is make the price of a Bucharest apartment be comparable with that of one in Paris (arguably, because - with the harsh income difference - the seller knows the majority can't and will not buy, while the minority eats money for dinner).
So there.

http://www.mctague.org/carl/fun/pie/pie-face-2.jpg

SMASH

(And WTF do you mean we can't stand for election becauise we don't have a "full manifesto". That's just plain stupid.)
BURN THE BRITISH!

Coming from a country that is a source for outsourcing (a quite an important one), I can tell you that is bogus. This country is growing crooked, its standards are forever impaired, it will forever be incapable to compete in any way with anything that the West produces, all because it is brain-drained, workforce-drained, and quality-drain.
Perhaps we have always been a peripheral country, but I was hoping for at least the mediocrity we never had. No. Instead, we get large-scale, polluting, un-unionised, shit-paying enterprises that do nothing for our country (not even through the "wealth contamination" scheme wanked around by neo-liberals). We also have a thin upper middle class, that makes scandalous incomes and backs any corrupt attempt at maintaining the status quo. Most of them are employed by or in business with outsourcing companies in the US and Europe. The only thing that they have done is make the price of a Bucharest apartment be comparable with that of one in Paris (arguably, because - with the harsh income difference - the seller knows the majority can't and will not buy, while the minority eats money for dinner).
So there.

I rather think your nations problems are just a tad bit more complicated than can be blamed on "outsourcing."

And if things are really so bad, why don't you fellows form your OWN enterprises? I'd guess you have laws against that sort of free market thing, and a generally non-enterprising mindset.

Coming from a country that is a source for outsourcing (a quite an important one), I can tell you that is bogus. This country is growing crooked, its standards are forever impaired, it will forever be incapable to compete in any way with anything that the West produces, all because it is brain-drained, workforce-drained, and quality-drain.
Perhaps we have always been a peripheral country, but I was hoping for at least the mediocrity we never had. No. Instead, we get large-scale, polluting, un-unionised, shit-paying enterprises that do nothing for our country (not even through the "wealth contamination" scheme wanked around by neo-liberals). We also have a thin upper middle class, that makes scandalous incomes and backs any corrupt attempt at maintaining the status quo. Most of them are employed by or in business with outsourcing companies in the US and Europe. The only thing that they have done is make the price of a Bucharest apartment be comparable with that of one in Paris (arguably, because - with the harsh income difference - the seller knows the majority can't and will not buy, while the minority eats money for dinner).
So there.

That isn't because of outsourcing, it's because of neo-liberalism. Outsourcing is a good thing overall; it redistributes wealth in a more equitable fashion. The problem is that the multinationals are permitted to rampage as they will through the economies they dominate, destroying competition and thus depressing real wages, then ransacking them with capital flight.

I call it like I see it. Left, right, centrist, the people who oppose "outsourcing" are basically national supremacists who believe that their workers have an inherent right to a job just from being part of their nation - foreigners be damned!That proofs you don't care about your own people. Do you know where that outsourced jobs go to? Sweatshops in third world countries where "labourers" there worked for more than 12 hours a day earning from a few coins to nothing.

That proofs you don't care about your own people. Do you know where that outsourced jobs go to? Sweatshops in third world countries where "labourers" there worked for more than 12 hours a day earning from a few coins to nothing.

How do you intend to stop outsourcing? Just ban it outright?

That proofs you don't care about your own people. Do you know where that outsourced jobs go to? Sweatshops in third world countries where "labourers" there worked for more than 12 hours a day earning from a few coins to nothing.

Yes, all outsourcing goes to sweatshops where the workers are paid nothing at all. Just like in the movies. Any other stereotypes you'd like to throw out there?

I care about people enough to let them fail or succeed on their own terms and abilities. It's shocking - I also believe in personal responsibility!

I rather think your nations problems are just a tad bit more complicated than can be blamed on "outsourcing."

Actually, no. I mean, they are, but outsourcing came over us with a bang.

And if things are really so bad, why don't you fellows form your OWN enterprises? I'd guess you have laws against that sort of free market thing, and a generally non-enterprising mindset.

We don't you fellows form our OWN enterprises because:
1. they could not possibly match the offer emigration has
2. maintaining the enterprises we did have was viewed as "socialism" by people who think like you, so we sold everything (of which much was second-grade, but improvable) to investors - most of them either re-sold (because they had a very low sum to pay to a state that was eager to sell) or debased the assets
3. because of globalization, our only value is as workforce - and people are happy if they get a quarter of what a person in a similar position gets in, say, Spain. They earn more as immigrants - including illegal - but consider just how low that has to be in comparison with a Western salary in order to be profitable for the employer.
4. establishing an industry means investments, right? From firms that go into outsourcing... Riiiiight... And they would invest in Romanian industries because they want competition, and don't want to milk the cow for free...
So there.

Actually, no. I mean, they are, but outsourcing came over us with a bang.

Which is it?

We don't you fellows form our OWN enterprises because:
1. they could not possibly match the offer emigration has

Fatalism. Well, you'll never get anywhere with that attitude.


2. maintaining the enterprises we did have was viewed as "socialism" by people who think like you,

Explain. Are you saying it was socialism?

When your government is propping up businesses, thats not exactly what I would call a free market. In fact, I hear thats something you anti-outsourcerors (!) are opposed to as well.

"Was viewed as 'socialism'" doesn't exactly explain why you can't start a business today.

so we sold everything (of which much was second-grade, but improvable) to investors - most of them either re-sold (because they had a very low sum to pay to a state that was eager to sell) or debased the assets

So you sold out. Foolish. Sounds like you have yourselves to blame.


3. because of globalization, our only value is as workforce

Oh, because of globalization? It's funny how trendy buzzwords are suddenly the cause of all ills. Outsourcing, globalization...

It couldn't possibly be because you lack other skills than as a "workforce."

And you can't blame others for your lack of skillz. Any playa can tell you that, G.


So there.

Nyah nyah nyah.

So you sold out. Foolish. Sounds like you have yourselves to blame.

Since when do you oppose privatization?

Since when do you oppose privatization?

Just because it's a private company doesn't mean you're making a sound financial move. Selling your business is not a good way to run your business, eh?

Santa Barbara's views = for job outsourcing = job losses = higher unemployment rate = more people on welfare = more people leaving the country.

It's safe to say your views are unbalanced, I think you care more about corporate cronies and than the rest of the people.

Under your regime, the middle class will resort to working for Wal-Mart.

Just because it's a private company doesn't mean you're making a sound financial move. Selling your business is not a good way to run your business, eh?

So let me get this straight.

You're saying that Romania (from the earlier reference to Bucharest I'm guessing it's Romania) made the wrong decision when it sold its state-owned companies to private investors after the fall of Stalinism in Eastern Europe?

Remember this JibJab clip:

http://www.jibjab.com/Movies/MoviePlayer.aspx?contentid=122&adp=1

So let me get this straight.

You're saying that Romania (from the earlier reference to Bucharest I'm guessing it's Romania) made the wrong decision when it sold its state-owned companies to private investors after the fall of Stalinism in Eastern Europe?

I would say it depends very much on which 'private investors' we're talking about.

It just goes to show how hard the problems of communism and socialism really are. That government was in possession of all the businesses of the country in the first place is the key problem here.

Santa Barbara's views = for job outsourcing = job losses = higher unemployment rate = more people on welfare = more people leaving the country.

Job outsourcing does not mean job losses. Unless you think that foreign workers don't count, so actually the job goes into a vacuum pit occupied only by subhumanoids. ;)

And I think it's you who's advocating the welfare state anyway. Because "everyone matters," right?

It's safe to say your views are unbalanced, I think you care more about corporate cronies and than the rest of the people.

Oh, it'd be safe to say it, but completely wrong. It would be a misrepresentation of my beliefs, in other words slander.

And here I thought you were above mudslinging!

Fatalism. Well, you'll never get anywhere with that attitude.

We cannot simply. We cannot. To see why, read the rest of my post.

Explain. Are you saying it was socialism?

When your government is propping up businesses, thats not exactly what I would call a free market. In fact, I hear thats something you anti-outsourcerors (!) are opposed to as well.

"Was viewed as 'socialism'" doesn't exactly explain why you can't start a business today.

We were a communist country when we got industrialised. Post-1989, the state owned all enterprises. When it had a choice of keeping all, keeping some, going into joint-ventures, etc., it chose to sell all. For crap, because they figured that nothing else would interest the investors, and they were probably right - because outsourcing is debasing (you have to decrease costs, so you don't follow as strict regulations, don't pay as much, don't invest in the community, etc)

So you sold out. Foolish. Sounds like you have yourselves to blame.

Otherwise, it would have been socialism, dude! I thought you disliked that.
You can't say we have ourselves to blame, since other countries are still pressured into doing that. Wonder why they don't have the same union rights in Indonesia and Canada? Oh, yeah: it's because one of the two has a choice.

Oh, because of globalization? It's funny how trendy buzzwords are suddenly the cause of all ills. Outsourcing, globalization...

I have thrice explained why it is globalization. A rose by any other name, dude.

It couldn't possibly be because you lack other skills than as a "workforce."

And you can't blame others for your lack of skillz. Any playa can tell you that, G.

You are just a jerk, and I bet you can't place my country on a map. In Spain, strawberry picking is a major seasonal work, and used to be the prdilect employment of Maroccans, until they asked for higher salaries (around the fixed minimum wage value in Spain). They were replaced by Romanians, a large number of which are University educated!
Wages are, and will remain, low in Romania and elsewher, so that outsourcing may work. That is the other side of the shiny nickle America sees.

Here's another clip:

http://www.airfarce.com/seasons/season13/060303b.wvx

Listen to the part about Canadian olympic apparel. That guy explains my point.

We cannot simply. We cannot. To see why, read the rest of my post.

Well, shit, why bother? Let's order ropes for your entire population. Yay fatalism!

We were a communist country when we got industrialised. Post-1989, the state owned all enterprises. When it had a choice of keeping all, keeping some, going into joint-ventures, etc., it chose to sell all. For crap, because they figured that nothing else would interest the investors, and they were probably right - because outsourcing is debasing (you have to decrease costs, so you don't follow as strict regulations, don't pay as much, don't invest in the community, etc)

A clear lesson to be learned: Don't step in the slime of state ownership and you won't have a slippery time walking up the hill of free enterprise.

Otherwise, it would have been socialism, dude! I thought you disliked that.

So what if I dislike that? I didn't know my likes and dislikes were governing Romania's people and government.

You can't say we have ourselves to blame, since other countries are still pressured into doing that. Wonder why they don't have the same union rights in Indonesia and Canada? Oh, yeah: it's because one of the two has a choice.

Yes, because there's only one difference between Indonesia and Canada. Oversimplification of the matters can only be a good thing.

I have thrice explained why it is globalization. A rose by any other name, dude.

You've explained how your country is run by idiots and how the matter cannot be simplified down to "outsourcing is teh evil."

Dude.

You are just a jerk

Now now, don't sling mud, or The Chinese Republics will cry.

, and I bet you can't place my country on a map.

What would that have to do with anything? Other than your usual point that Americans are stupid and uneducated and that therefore I, an American, must be stupid and uneducated too.

You yourself said it was a peripheral nation.

In Spain, strawberry picking is a major seasonal work, and used to be the prdilect employment of Maroccans, until they asked for higher salaries (around the fixed minimum wage value in Spain). They were replaced by Romanians, a large number of which are University educated!

So you have a university education and you can't get a job other than strawberry picking? Something tells me that's not something you can blame on "outsourcing," though I'm sure you'll try.

A clear lesson to be learned: Don't step in the slime of state ownership and you won't have a slippery time walking up the hill of free enterprise.

More like:

"A clear lesson to be learned: however corrupt, brutal, or incompetent the existing state managers are, don't just hand over your state-owned companies to foreign investors; they may be even worse."

More like:

"A clear lesson to be learned: however corrupt, brutal, or incompetent the existing state managers are, don't just hand over your state-owned companies to foreign investors; they may be even worse."

As I said, free market doesn't mean every decision you make - like uhm, selling the entire industries and businesses of an entire nation - is a wise one.

Doesn't reflect on the free market, but rather the transitional economics from communism to overnight capitalism. The lack of entrepeneurialism in general, from decades of authoritarian economic centralism, meant that they (the government) weren't in a position to be making moves that were financially sound in the first place.

A baby behind the wheel doesn't mean driving cars is infantile.

Well, shit, why bother? Let's order ropes for your entire population. Yay fatalism!

A clear lesson to be learned: Don't step in the slime of state ownership and you won't have a slippery time walking up the hill of free enterprise.

We were occupied by the Soviets! Put state ownership into context: we didn't do it to ourselves, and this one was in no way to be compared with state ownership anywhere in the West. Plus, the industry here was mostly created by the state, as part of Comecom (or against it, depending on the case).

So what if I dislike that? I didn't know my likes and dislikes were governing Romania's people and government.

No, but you cannot accuse someone of being a socialist, then tell him that his problems come from not being socialist enough!

Yes, because there's only one difference between Indonesia and Canada. Oversimplification of the matters can only be a good thing.

The difference is that Canada woke up in the privileged world. Unlike countries as diverse as Indonesia, Bulgaria, and Brazil.

You've explained how your country is run by idiots and how the matter cannot be simplified down to "outsourcing is teh evil."

Dude.

Again: you cannot accuse someone of being a socialist, then tell him that his problems come from not being socialist enough!

What would that have to do with anything? Other than your usual point that Americans are stupid and uneducated and that therefore I, an American, must be stupid and uneducated too.

No, it's just that you proved you were not aware of a basic fact: that my country was behind the Iron Curtain.

You yourself said it was a peripheral nation.

Peripheral to the European economy, not to the Universe.

So you have a university education and you can't get a job other than strawberry picking? Something tells me that's not something you can blame on "outsourcing," though I'm sure you'll try.

Again with the whimsical attacks. Man, I have explained: outsourcing is about making something cheaper. A society with rising prosperity would have rising standards! What globalization is doing is decreasing the level overall.
I did not say that people with uni degrees don't get any other job - I'm saying that a lot of them can't. Because Romania has been educating people as a European country would, not as the high-discrepancies-of-income and assembly-line industry one it is supposed to become. This is true for all countries on the periphery: get it, once and for all, thayt these countries are valuable because they are cheap. And globalizations says: you're this, or you're nothing at all - there's a million other governments that will kiss our butts to get something.

Wake up to the world.

It's seems like SB is attacking us rather than critizing or something.

Probably got a very bad attitude towards us.

This time...

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Supporting a right to same-sex marriage

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

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Debates (not attacks like SB do) on same-sex marriage?

At any rate, the debate that is currently happening here is missing the point. It was neither "outsourcing", nor "globalisation" that screwed Romania over. It was the way the transition was handled, which was pretty much shareholder capitalism as we all know it by now.

So I created a new thread to continue the discussion and leave this one for the actual election.

Looks like the Conservative is catching up, UDCP is losing steam, and ESP is luring more votes by offering free marmites. :D

ESP is luring more votes by offering free marmites.
It's a Marmite based economy, what else do we have to offer?
Why waste time with a party that has deep and thought-out economic policies? The ESP guarantees you will never go hungry, as there will always be Marmite for all! ESP - IT'S THE WAY FORWARD!

This time...

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Supporting a right to same-sex marriage

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Debates (not attacks like SB do) on same-sex marriage?


NS Conservative Party

Against same-sex marriage but for civil unions. Marriage is for the churches to decide.

Marriage is for the churches to decide.
So...how do you think the churches will decide? And how do you want them to decide? And are you actually willing to accept if the churches decide a certain way (http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/NewsML____12744.aspx?newsid=1117)?

Against same-sex marriage but for civil unions. Marriage is for the churches to decide.
Marriage should never be for the church to decide. Nor should it be for the government. It is down to the two men, the two women, or the man and woman to decide. If they want to get married, there should be no barriers stopping them, and certainly not their sexuality.

VOTE ESP - WE'LL FIND A WAY TO MAKE A SILLY DECISION ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.

I would like to announce that the ISP would like to run in the next election.

Intellectual Socialist Party.

We are an Education First welfare state party.



Currently i think the United Democratic Communists are a better party than the rest purely because they are Left-Wing and not necessarily militant.
They are also well organised.

Currently i think the United Democratic Communists are a better party than the rest purely because they are Left-Wing and not necessarily militant.
They are also well organised.

Thank you for your support.


Vote for a proper education!
Vote for a party which recognises you as a human being, rather than a machine to be squeezed for senseless profit!

Vote for a party which gets its priorities right!
Vote for a party with real policies for a better society!
Vote UDCP!

vote Conservative!! Vote Right!!!

Currently i think the United Democratic Communists are a better party than the rest purely because they are Left-Wing and not necessarily militant.
They are also well organised.
Hey! What about the ESP? We're not militant at all (except when it comes to Marmite), and we will be whatever wing you want us to be: left, right, up, down, middle, inside, outside, upside down, whatever. It's one of our slogans:

VOTE ESP - WE'LL WHORE OURSELVES TO YOUR EVERY DESIRE!

vote Conservative!! Vote Right!!!Vote Conservative!! Vote Right-wing!!
There. Fixed it for you.

Go Torys! Go Conservatives!

NS DSP

Go To Hell Torys! Go To Hell Conservatives!
There, fixed it! :D

Against discrimination of same-sex relationships!

As soon as this election is over the parties should work out possible coalitions. The most voted party gets to lead government of course.

On the subject of coalitions - would any party be willing to enter into a coalition with the ESP? We'll almost certainly support you in any legislation (we whore ourselves to the voters, why not to other parties as well?), and we won't ask for much in return...maybe the subsidising of Marmite, but that would be about it.

On the subject of coalitions - would any party be willing to enter into a coalition with the ESP? We'll almost certainly support you in any legislation (we whore ourselves to the voters, why not to other parties as well?), and we won't ask for much in return...maybe the subsidising of Marmite, but that would be about it.

hmmm. tg me to begin negotiations. we can easily work the subsuidization of marmite in. anything else you would like?

tg

VOTE MLP
Because radical problems require radical solutions

hmmm. tg me to begin negotiations. we can easily work the subsuidization of marmite in. anything else you would like?

tg
While I appreciate the offer, I think I should probably only have negotiations with founders and/or leaders of parties. Not entirely sure who the leader of the DSP is, but the founder is The Odd One.

On the other hand...it would be rather silly to start negotiations with you...

VOTE MLP
Because radical problems require radical solutions


Pity we don't have any radical problems for you to solve then, isn't it?

While I appreciate the offer, I think I should probably only have negotiations with founders and/or leaders of parties. Not entirely sure who the leader of the DSP is, but the founder is The Odd One.

On the other hand...it would be rather silly to start negotiations with you...

thanks. considering i'm the only online rep right now.

and besides, i could never get anything done w/o Neu Leonstein or TCR.

we don't have a leader.

Pity we don't have any radical problems for you to solve then, isn't it?

30,000 people starving to death every day?

A constant string of imperialist wars?

Mass oppression of billions of people across the globe?

thanks. considering i'm the only online rep right now.

and besides, i could never get anything done w/o Neu Leonstein or TCR.

we don't have a leader.
Ok, I've TG'd our proposals. I'm sure Tribes will support me in most of it...we'll see what he has to say whenever he says it.

30,000 people starving to death every day?

A constant string of imperialist wars?

Mass oppression of billions of people across the globe?
I fail to see the problem...:p

I mean, they're hardly on the same scale as the Marmite crisis are they? Marmite is barely known outside England and a few of its colonies. Now that is a radical problem, and one that only the ESP is currently intending on addressing should we gain power.

SUPPORT your right to earn
SUPPORT your right to life
SUPPORT you right to organize

LET'S WIN AGAIN!

NSCONSERVATIVEPARTY

The ONLY Party to Submit Legislation Last Term

I fail to see the problem...:p

I mean, they're hardly on the same scale as the Marmite crisis are they? Marmite is barely known outside England and a few of its colonies. Now that is a radical problem, and one that only the ESP is currently intending on addressing should we gain power.

Wow. Your party just gets funnier and funnier, doesn't it?

Oh, you're all so wacky.

SUPPORT your right to earn
SUPPORT your right to life
SUPPORT you right to organize
AND SUPPORT your right to be exploited by capitalists!
LET'S WIN AGAIN!

NSCONSERVATIVEPARTY

The ONLY Party to Submit Legislation Last Term

Fixed. Just like this election clearly will be if the Conservatives win.

Wow. Your party just gets funnier and funnier, doesn't it?

Oh, you're all so wacky.
Yes, and indeed we are. If you don't approve, complain to Arridia.

Yes, and indeed we are. If you don't approve, complain to Arridia.

I didn't say I didn't approve of your party being around. I just don't think "wacky" humour is funny at all.

Be safe, be NBIP!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Sun_Gotcha.jpg

I didn't say I didn't approve of your party being around. I just don't think "wacky" humour is funny at all.

It tends to lack teh funny.

I fail to see the problem...:p

I mean, they're hardly on the same scale as the Marmite crisis are they? Marmite is barely known outside England and a few of its colonies. Now that is a radical problem, and one that only the ESP is currently intending on addressing should we gain power.
Yeah, Marmite is pretty unknown. I live in America and this is the first time I have heard of the stuff.

Anarchy!
Bumping the election thread to page one.

VOTE TECHNOCRAT

Stopping Outsourcing by Unionizing the Third World

Technocrat: Because Knowledge is Power

Could you link me to the technocrat manifesto? I still think you guys are one-dimensional, and I am a fanatical communist, but I want to see what you guys have to say.

Could you link me to the technocrat manifesto? I still think you guys are one-dimensional, and I am a fanatical communist, but I want to see what you guys have to say.

It's in my sig, but here it is again:

TECHNOCRAT: Because we Know Best (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473274)

For some reason I cant get to the Conservatives manifesto? Also how does this Govenmnet work? and who won the last election?

I read the manifesto. You seem to be cold. You lack human spirit. This experiment we call politics isn't meant to be this way. You are injust in your conclusion that men shouldn't be free enough to choose their leaders. Everyone should be allowed to vote, no restrictions besides age. The amount of money it would take to implement this system and further feed its development would be too large. AI can't account for things people would.

I read the manifesto. You seem to be cold. You lack human spirit. This experiment we call politics isn't meant to be this way. You are injust in your conclusion that men shouldn't be free enough to choose their leaders. Everyone should be allowed to vote, no restrictions besides age. The amount of money it would take to implement this system and further feed its development would be too large. AI can't account for things people would.

We are cold, to a certain extent, because our goal is not rhetorical prettiness. Our goal is the survival and success of the human race. Democracy is not the perfect system to attain this, and we are one of the only parties to recognize this. Because of our drive towards efficiency our policies won't cost nearly as much as they appear to, especially as we try use soft methods whenever possible. And what can't AI account for? In the end, people are just small, confused computers.

Can anyone explain why we aree electing these partys and what are we electing them to?

Can anyone explain why we aree electing these partys and what are we electing them to?

It's for the NS General Parliament. Their basic purpose is to get elected. Once Ariddia gets around they can explain more.

It's for the NS General Parliament. Their basic purpose is to get elected. Once Ariddia gets around they can explain more.

Do you know who won the last election?

The Conservative Party had a plurality in the last election, receiving five of the twenty five seats in parliament.

Do you know who won the last election?

The conservatives, I think. Where is their manifesto, anyway?

The conservatives, I think. Where is their manifesto, anyway?

I cant get into the Conservative manefesto.

I cant get into the Conservative manefesto.
Well, I am a member of the conservative party so I shall try and find you the manifesto.

GO NS CONSERVATIVE PARTY!! GOING FOR ANOTHER VICTORY!

NS Conservative Party

March 2006 Manifesto

A Message from the Party President
Over the past few months the NSCP has being enjoying a high; we achieved a majority vote in the last election, delivering us five MPs. Maybe that wouldn’t be so shocking, but we were a hastily founded party of just five members, set up to put across a sensible rightwing voice.
In the last four months out membership has tripled from our five original founding members. In parliament, we are the only party to have submitted legislation. This legislation passed overwhelmingly, along with overwhelming popular support. This shows that there is a right-wing voice in NS, and we are a representative of that voice.
However all this could be lost in the coming month. I personally will be campaigning every day, and I hope that the MPs will also being doing that to retain their seats. We now have at least seven people waiting to become MPs, and hopefully more will come over the next few weeks. But it all depends on how the public votes, and I urge the public to vote for the sensible option of the NSCP. In this manifesto we, the party, will be listing our values and beliefs to let you decide who you want to vote for, and hopefully it will be
us.

NationStates General
- We aim to put forward a treaty that any member may sign stating that they will restrict their use of profanity to adequate levels.
- We will cut back on intolerance and extremism, acknowledging the right to free speech, but also acknowledging peoples right to go about their business without being insulted or harmed.

Our Views on the Economy
- We believe in a free market, businesses should be allowed to do as they wish with their policies; there should be no government control over this.
- Yet to counter this, we believe that workers should be allowed to legally unionize as they wish.
- We believe in a flat percentage tax of under 20%

Our Views on Society - We are pro-life. An ill person is a life. An unborn baby is a life. Nobody can take these lives away.
- We are against drugs, feeling they lead to crime and antisocial behavior.
- We are against gun control, feeling every person has the right to bear arms unless there is reason for this right to be revoked, such as mental health or criminal convictions.
- We are against gay marriage, however are open to discussion on civil unions.
- Debate within the party is ongoing over capital punishment.

NSCP

That, I think you will find, is our manifesto.

The NS Conservative Manifesto

NationStates General
We aim to put forward a treaty that any member may sign stating that they will restrict their use of profanity to adequate levels.
We will cut back on intolerance and extremism, acknowledging the right to free speech, but also acknowledging peoples right to go about their business without being insulted or harmed.
Our Views on the Economy
We believe in a free market, businesses should be allowed to do as they wish with their policies; there should be no government control over this.
Yet to counter this, we believe that workers should be allowed to legally unionize as they wish.
We believe in a flat percentage tax of under 20%
Our Views on Society
We are pro-life. An ill person is a life. An unborn baby is a life. Nobody can take these lives away.
We are against drugs, feeling they lead to crime and antisocial behavior.
We are against gun control, feeling every person has the right to bear arms unless there is reason for this right to be revoked, such as mental health or criminal convictions.
We are against gay marriage, however are open to discussion on civil unions.
Debate within the party is ongoing over capital punishment.

link to page: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473157

That, I think you will find, is our manifesto.


Hi! How can I become a member of the NSCP?

Hi! How can I become a member of the NSCP?
Vote for the Technocratic Party. That's how. :p

Vote for the Technocratic Party. That's how. :p
Technocratic party is falling behind, now theres a few parties who are emerging from the crowd.

Vote Technocrat!

Competent Leaders for a Better Tommorow!

Technocratic party is falling behind, now theres a few parties who are emerging from the crowd.
Be prepared for the United Communist Front. UDCP-MLP alliance

Technocrats are behind MLP. That's sad. :(

Snce one of the NSCP's MPs was deleted for inactivity yesterday. Lovers Rock of Wierd's temporary replacement shall be Valori. In effect until election results are announced, but it'll be more than likely he'll be in my list of MPs to take seats after the election.

Vote NSCP

Did the conservatives get more votes then the Democratic Socialists in the last election? Cause I cant see why with this result so far........

Did the conservatives get more votes then the Democratic Socialists in the last election? Cause I cant see why with this result so far........
They won around 25% last year.

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how does capitalism support dictatorships? i'm pretty sure you guys do too. :rolleyes:

how does capitalism support dictatorships? i'm pretty sure you guys do too. :rolleyes:
I think he was refering to the likes of Chile and stuff, where we helped dictatorships overthrow communist governments.

NS Conservative Party

Against same-sex marriage but for civil unions. Marriage is for the churches to decide.
Churches don't govern people.

We support "Civil" same-sex marriage, marriage don't have to be religious.

Will the AAP give up any seats of power they attain in the election? Because surely it would be hypocritical of them to lobby against authority and hierarchies and then take a position of power over people who didn't vote for them?

SUPPORT your right to earn
SUPPORT your right to life
SUPPORT you right to organize

LET'S WIN AGAIN!

NSCONSERVATIVEPARTY


Puppet voting?

Btw, it's obvious by default everybody has a right to earn and live. Plus a right to organize labour unions does not go far enough.

The ONLY Party to Submit Legislation Last TermThat legislation is pretty much useless anyway.

This time...

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The progressive choice

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/263/dsp1blittle0rh.gifPlease visit the official DSP thread for our 2006 Manifesto.

vote officially cast for UDCP

Although, I did kind of want Kanabia to eat my soul. Think we could still work that out?
And is it odd that I voted for the communist party, despite not being particularly communist?
*shrug*

And is it odd that I voted for the communist party, despite not being particularly communist?
*shrug*Perhaps your subconscious is telling you something?

Perhaps your subconscious is telling you something?
perhaps...although I have some issues with the basic ideals of communism, they had the best education policy that I saw, and liked the healthcare system. I may be suggesting some improvements, even in these areas, however...see if I can stay with a party rather than being a total drifter.

Vote UDCP! The other parties don't want you, they just want your vote!

perhaps...although I have some issues with the basic ideals of communism, they had the best education policy that I saw, and liked the healthcare system. I may be suggesting some improvements, even in these areas, however...see if I can stay with a party rather than being a total drifter.You're welcome to go the UDCP thread and suggest them. :)

I have a feeling the Conservatives are puppet voting again after seeing the left surging the polls.

Vote UDCP! The other parties don't want you, they just want your vote!

You're welcome to go the UDCP thread and suggest them. :)
thanks muchly for the invite...once I have a coherant way of expressing them, I'll throw them out there

UDCP: "We know you are, but what are we?"

I have a feeling the Conservatives are puppet voting again after seeing the left surging the polls.

they have grown rapidly today. :confused:

(psst. check your tg's/dsp thread!)

Oh yes, we would really puppet vote after introducing legislation against it, the only party to produce any sort of legislation whatsoever... yes, of course we'd break our own rules. stupid.

Oh yes, we would really puppet vote after introducing legislation against it, the only party to produce any sort of legislation whatsoever... yes, of course we'd break our own rules. stupid.
Probably, considering that you're behind what you were last year.

The Canadian Conservatives did that. Harper appointed a non-elected senator to his cabinet after he said senators should be elected.

I make this promise, if anybody is caught puppet voting within the NSCP, they will be thrown out of the party and we will voluntarily take 10% of our votes off.

How does that sound?

they have grown rapidly today. :confused:
Blu-tac is pretty quiet for the whole morning, he only made two posts then he left.

Oh yes, we would really puppet vote after introducing legislation against it, the only party to produce any sort of legislation whatsoever... yes, of course we'd break our own rules. stupid.
A legislation that is quite useless.

I suggest that the DSP, and every other party, make the same promise as the NSCP about puppet voting, because I do note that the DSP has had several very large surges throughout the election.

I suggest that the DSP, and every other party, make the same promise as the NSCP about puppet voting, because I do note that the DSP has had several very large surges throughout the election.

The DSP has stayed in pretty much the same place since the start; the NSCP has been climbing, in relative terms.

Something wrong with this picture?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8672/pollm182006d8cn.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2884/pollm192006a3tv.jpg

All parties were pretty much stalled except for NSCP

How did the socialists organize the election so they had 50 votes when every other party had less than 20? I'm not suggesting that you took place in fraud, I'm saying the difference of around 5 votes in the past hour or so doesn't constitute as fraud either.

Do you want to take your 10% now ot later?

Once a member has been found puppet voting, why would we take 10% off when we've done nothing wrong?

and I'll be going for the night now, if it surges again, you'll know it ain't me....

Something wrong with this picture?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8672/pollm182006d8cn.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2884/pollm192006a3tv.jpgHow many hours were between those two pics? 7?

I see nothing wrong with the pictures. I'll be talking to my party about this, if any puppet voting has occured, it will not be from the executive positions of the NSCP.

I see nothing wrong with the pictures. I'll be talking to my party about this, if any puppet voting has occured, it will not be from the executive positions of the NSCP.There's nothing wrong with the pictures in and of themselves, no, what matters is how far apart they were taken.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4287/pollm182006e4gh.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2060/pollm182006f4qw.jpg

How many hours were between those two pics? 7?

Dunno but I doubt it was 1 vote/hr. There was a power outage for 6 hours this morning.

How many hours were between those two pics? 7?

16 hours and 50 minutes. The times are in the top left corner.

I see nothing wrong with the pictures. I'll be talking to my party about this, if any puppet voting has occured, it will not be from the executive positions of the NSCP.

NSCP gain over that period: 14 votes.
Total non-NSCP gain: 18 votes.

Either it's a very strange coincidence, or there's some fraud going on.

This is why voters should have to register a week in advance.

Compare to this election poll and my opinion poll:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472869

Shows there might be voting irregularities involving the Conservatives.

This is why voters should have to register a week in advance.

Just making it a public poll would probably solve the problem.

The Canadian Conservatives did that. Harper appointed a non-elected senator to his cabinet after he said senators should be elected.Harper is a hypocrite btw.

Remember how the tories got Emerson?

16 hours and 50 minutes. The times are in the top left corner. Ah, thanks, didn't notice that before.

NSCP gain over that period: 14 votes.
Total non-NSCP gain: 18 votes.

Either it's a very strange coincidence, or there's some fraud going on.It could be a coincidence, I haven't seen pics from when the DSP got its huge gain...compared to the number of votes cast for the other parties.

Well, they're both conservative! And yes, voters should have to register a week in advance!

Well, they're both conservative! And yes, voters should have to register a week in advance!DSP a conservative? :confused:

CONSERVATIVE VOTES WENT UP IN ONE DAY. wELL i DONT CALL THAT FIXED. SURGING WOULD BE GOING UP 10 VOTES IN 1MIN.

CONSERVATIVE VOTES WENT UP IN ONE DAY. wELL i DONT CALL THAT FIXED. SURGING WOULD BE GOING UP 10 VOTES IN 1MIN.
That's also impossible to do with puppets since you have to log in and out
and besides noone would risk doing it all in a row.

How many hours were between those two pics? 7?

it jumped 10 votes in a day! jee you are now just desperate to yell at the Conservatives

God I'm a communist and I agree that you should stop freaking out at the conservatives over nothing!

Compare to this election poll and my opinion poll:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472869

Shows there might be voting irregularities involving the Conservatives.

Listen who knows if some Conservatives where votein a lot. I dont think they were. But no one can prove it! unfortunetly no one can prove it!

That's also impossible to do with puppets since you have to log in and out
and besides noone would risk doing it all in a row.Exactly. I am very suspicious, the tories were pretty quiet yesterday and last night. It was around 8:00 pm PST when the rest of the parties except for NSCP were stalled, and ever since then the NSCP are slowly making gains and hopefully nobody notice it.

it jumped 10 votes in a day! jee you are now just desperate to yell at the ConservativesIt was you who are desperate, I'm just suspicious.

Call me desperate for being a whistleblower if you want.

There are so many votes for Conservatives because ACCEL members have been voting, and there are 17+ Conservative regions in ACCEL.

They didn't know about this until a day or so after the voting period started.

Compare to this election poll and my opinion poll:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472869

Shows there might be voting irregularities involving the Conservatives.

The opinion poll is not a scientific poll, to say the least. I don't believe even the scientific ones, anyway. Besides, I remember that the DSP votes were lower than the UDCP when I went to bed, then had surged ahead by a huge margin. Do I think that it's because of electoral fraud? No. There's no computer that gives gradual votes to all parties at an equal pace, and there's going to be ebbs and flows that seem weird, but that's because people don't really follow a set pattern.

Regardless, I think most likely that the DSP is going to be the plurality winner, what with their huge lead.

There are so many votes for Conservatives because ACCEL members have been voting, and there are 17+ Conservative regions in ACCEL.

They didn't know about this until a day or so after the voting period started.I took a look at those regions, it appears few knows about the election.

There are so many votes for Conservatives because ACCEL members have been voting, and there are 17+ Conservative regions in ACCEL.

They didn't know about this until a day or so after the voting period started.


PROB. A lot of the Con. voters dont know about the election. Our faithfull from our last victory. They must be comeing slowly and thats prob the reason for the push of votes now and then!

I took a look at those regions, it appears few knows about the election.

You have to keep in mind, some random guest showing up to people's websites isn't going to be able to see all of the threads.

Although, please, I welcome you to go to the ACCEL forums (http://www.accel.jactivism.com/forums/index.php) and ask about the NS General Elections, or better yet TG Wegason or Iroqouis or any of the ruling nations.

Then, once you realize there are a whole lot of Conservative nations and regions which you are completely ignorant to, you can stop crying fowl.

The opinion poll is not a scientific poll, to say the least. I don't believe even the scientific ones, anyway. Besides, I remember that the DSP votes were lower than the UDCP when I went to bed, then had surged ahead by a huge margin. Do I think that it's because of electoral fraud? No. There's no computer that gives gradual votes to all parties at an equal pace, and there's going to be ebbs and flows that seem weird, but that's because people don't really follow a set pattern.

Regardless, I think most likely that the DSP is going to be the plurality winner, what with their huge lead.I was there when DSP surged, it was fast. One time our party gets 4 votes at the same time, amazing. Other parties are slowy getting votes too. Then there's one night when all parties stalled except for NSCP, they're slowly getting votes while the rest were frozen solid.

I was there when DSP surged, it was fast. One time our party gets 4 votes at the same time, amazing. Other parties are slowy getting votes too. Then there's one night when all parties stalled except for NSCP, they're slowly getting votes while the rest were frozen solid.

The other parties might have ran out of a base from which to draw votes from, while the DSP and Tories still are drawing from their own bases- unless the conservatives have somehow hacked the poll so as to transfer all votes from those other parties, except the DSP, to their own. Which I, and probably everyone, don't think is the case. Activity ebbs and flows, the amount of people voting changes. The voting activity isn't constant either, it can change too.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not part of the conservative party, or any party, for that matter. I did vote for them, but I don't find them to be exceptionally great, nor am I some fanatical follower of theirs. I'm just stating that the case for the surge in votes is much more mundane than what is being declared right now.

I'll give the NSCP credit, their potential regional base if fucking huge.

I'll give the NSCP credit, their potential regional base if fucking huge.I know.

But does this tell you the Conservative Party represents everybody?

No, they only represent the ACCEL and other conservative related groups.

Do you want to be ruled by a group that doesn't represent everyone?

This time...
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Because everyone matters

I know.

But does this tell you the Conservative Party represents everybody?

No, they only represent the ACCEL and other conservative related groups.

Do you want to be ruled by a group that doesn't represent everyone?

This time...
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Because everyone matters

Everyone matters? So you'll be standing up for fascist's rights? What about millionaires? You represent them as well?

Okay, let's stop with the allegations. If you can, gather evidence. If you think there has been fraud, complain to those organising the elections (ie Ariddia) and present your evidence.

If necessary, I suppose we can repeat the vote.

But it's no use to suspect each other now. The poll will still be up for plenty more time, and it's still possible that the results change quite significantly.

Okay, let's stop with the allegations. If you can, gather evidence. If you think there has been fraud, complain to those organising the elections (ie Ariddia) and present your evidence.

If necessary, I suppose we can repeat the vote.

But it's no use to suspect each other now. The poll will still be up for plenty more time, and it's still possible that the results change quite significantly.

Do it again? Gee, if there are any one comiting fraud they will just do it to the second vote as well! can we just drop this?

Everyone matters? So you'll be standing up for fascist's rights? What about millionaires? You represent them as well?We'll be standing up for ordinary peoples, labour unions, small businesses and entrepreneurs, and our healthy economy. And really, we are not a facist party like yours.

We'll be standing up for ordinary peoples, labour unions, small businesses and entrepreneurs, and our healthy economy. And really, we are not a facist party like yours.

What party is that?