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Next smoke break.... Hot lesbo action, here I come!
In the interests of your own mental health, spare no details and email me pictures.

Has anyone seen the South Park episode where the guys want to be lesbians so that they can date their lesbian substitute teacher?
Cartman's mum tells him what he has to do to be a lesbian.
Cartman: Well, I've been lickin' this carpet for 3 whole hours and I don't feel like a lesbian.
I watched it today at the GSA meeting at my school.
South Park is funnier in a room full of lesbians.

You know that post earlier, where I predicted that you were an attention-seeker on a forum filled with dirty old men? I really think that I was right.
And remember, suck is ok, blow is not. I think that was a reference to Dave Berry, but I can't be sure.I'm too happy to deal with you just now.
Bugger off.

I'm too happy to deal with you just now.
Bugger off.
I would, but I had to bury my last girlfriend and the funeral parlor guard I normally bribe is off for the week, so no buggering for moi.
And are you at work posting, or are you at home and (for reasons I really don't want to think about it) only a lesbian while at work?
If neither, then I am very confused.

Has anyone seen the South Park episode where the guys want to be lesbians so that they can date their lesbian substitute teacher?
Cartman's mum tells him what he has to do to be a lesbian.
Cartman: Well, I've been lickin' this carpet for 3 whole hours and I don't feel like a lesbian.
I watched it today at the GSA meeting at my school.
South Park is funnier in a room full of lesbians.
I expect the pictures to be in .pdf

You're not "lesbo" -- however, for using that term and posting such tripe, it is possible that you're a walking cipher.

I would, but I had to bury my last girlfriend and the funeral parlor guard I normally bribe is off for the week, so no buggering for moi.
And are you at work posting, or are you at home and (for reasons I really don't want to think about it) only a lesbian while at work?
If neither, then I am very confused.I'm confused by your post.
I think that I've explained my situation quite a bit in this thread. To reiterate: I'm straight, as far as I know. I like guys a lot (too much), and I've never liked a girl before. I have confusing, exciting, inexplicable feelings for two (and only two) girls that have developed within the past few months and that I'm trying to sort out. I think that I'm falling for the one girl (my co-worker) in particular.
I started this thread in hopes of getting some decent, honest, anonymous advice. I'm not going to be some anti-fun fascist, and a little bit of joking is welcome, but I do take this very seriously, and don't appreciate being attacked, ridiculed or insulted. If you want to do that, start your own thread; take the negativity elsewhere.

I'm too happy to deal with you just now.
Bugger off.

just out of curiosity....where do you live/work? is it in ottawa?

there's a hot possibly bisexual girl named "em" where i work who my dishwasher self has had a slight crush on for some time.....you described her rather well....

keep in mind that if you do live in ottawa and you do work where i think you work, i've read your freakin' journal. you wanna play ball.

j

I'm confused by your post.
Then I suppose we are both confused. I haven't slept in 30 hours, whats your excuse?
I think that I've explained my situation quite a bit in this thread. To reiterate: I'm straight, as far as I know. I like guys a lot (too much), and I've never liked a girl before. I have confusing, exciting, inexplicable feelings for two (and only two) girls that have developed within the past few months and that I'm trying to sort out. I think that I'm falling for the one girl (my co-worker) in particular.
I think that you are overplaying the naughty lesbian angle by a bit. Its just hard to reconcile "straight girl looking for advice" and "want to do naughty things to her" and "lesbo sex next cigaretter break." I'm a cynical bastard, so I will automatically leap to the conclusion that this is done for the purpose of deluding people.
I started this thread in hopes of getting some decent, honest, anonymous advice. I'm not going to be some anti-fun fascist, and a little bit of joking is welcome, but I do take this very seriously, and don't appreciate being attacked, ridiculed or insulted. If you want to do that, start your own thread; take the negativity elsewhere.
I'll drop the attacks then, but I am very, very confused. I think that it might be lack of sleep, so I'll just say you are a giggly teenage girl with no other outlets, and so we get the full brunt of the (sometimes) overblown fantasies.
And I was right about this forum being populated by dirty, old men. You might be honest, but the people around here are a pack of perverts, creeps, and liars. I should know, I rank near the top of each of those categories.

I'm confused by your post.
I think that I've explained my situation quite a bit in this thread. To reiterate: I'm straight, as far as I know. I like guys a lot (too much), and I've never liked a girl before. I have confusing, exciting, inexplicable feelings for two (and only two) girls that have developed within the past few months and that I'm trying to sort out. I think that I'm falling for the one girl (my co-worker) in particular.
I started this thread in hopes of getting some decent, honest, anonymous advice. I'm not going to be some anti-fun fascist, and a little bit of joking is welcome, but I do take this very seriously, and don't appreciate being attacked, ridiculed or insulted. If you want to do that, start your own thread; take the negativity elsewhere.

If that truly is the case, then how's about asking your question seriously and with legitimate concern? "Lesbo"? You expect to be taken seriously? Sorry. That's baseball-cap-wearing, terbacky-chewin' talk, sister.

Being attracted to someone of your own gender doesn't make you gay, it makes you human. What makes you a lesbian is what you do with the attraction and whether or not it displaces or complements your attraction to men. From what you've posted, you're still quite into men. Seems to me that all you are is ready to try something different. Go for it or don't, that's completely up to you. Just don't assume that any one feeling or any one event "makes" you anything but you -- we are the sum of our experiences and our reactions to them...anything else is conjecture or icing.

Mo betta?

JH

Then I suppose we are both confused. I haven't slept in 30 hours, whats your excuse?

I think that you are overplaying the naughty lesbian angle by a bit. Its just hard to reconcile "straight girl looking for advice" and "want to do naughty things to her" and "lesbo sex next cigaretter break." I'm a cynical bastard, so I will automatically leap to the conclusion that this is done for the purpose of deluding people.

I'll drop the attacks then, but I am very, very confused. I think that it might be lack of sleep, so I'll just say you are a giggly teenage girl with no other outlets, and so we get the full brunt of the (sometimes) overblown fantasies.
And I was right about this forum being populated by dirty, old men. You might be honest, but the people around here are a pack of perverts, creeps, and liars. I should know, I rank near the top of each of those categories.

Simply beautiful.
*applauds*

just out of curiosity....where do you live/work? is it in ottawa?

there's a hot possibly bisexual girl named "em" where i work who my dishwasher self has had a slight crush on for some time.....you described her rather well....

keep in mind that if you do live in ottawa and you do work where i think you work, i've read your freakin' journal. you wanna play ball.

jEm is straight. And does not live in Ottawa. Neither do I.

Then I suppose we are both confused. I haven't slept in 30 hours, whats your excuse?Having a guy who hasn't slept in 30 hours say confusing things is my excuse for being confused.

I think that you are overplaying the naughty lesbian angle by a bit. Its just hard to reconcile "straight girl looking for advice" and "want to do naughty things to her" and "lesbo sex next cigaretter break".I'm trying to figure things out myself.

I'm a cynical bastard, so I will automatically leap to the conclusion that this is done for the purpose of deluding people.That's a shame.

I'll drop the attacks then, but I am very, very confused.Thank you. I really do appreciate that.

And I was right about this forum being populated by dirty, old men. You might be honest, but the people around here are a pack of perverts, creeps, and liars. I should know, I rank near the top of each of those categories.That's ok. I don't really mind dirty old men. In fact, I'm rather fond of them.

... the people around here are a pack of perverts, creeps, and liars. I should know, I rank near the top of each of those categories.
Well, you got it half right, anyway. :p

Em is straight. And does not live in Ottawa. Neither do I.
Look, hon. You're just a deeply sensual young woman. If you wanna try making it with another woman, then go for it. What's the worst that can happen? You find out you like it and would like to try it again? That doesn't change much of anything, and I think I know you well enough to understand that it certainly wouldn't make you like men any less! :D

If that truly is the case, then how's about asking your question seriously and with legitimate concern? "Lesbo"? You expect to be taken seriously? Sorry. That's baseball-cap-wearing, terbacky-chewin' talk, sister.Addressing all important issues "seriously and with legitimate concern" makes life very, very boring. I try not to take anything too seriously.

Being attracted to someone of your own gender doesn't make you gay, it makes you human. What makes you a lesbian is what you do with the attraction and whether or not it displaces or complements your attraction to men. From what you've posted, you're still quite into men. Seems to me that all you are is ready to try something different. Go for it or don't, that's completely up to you. Just don't assume that any one feeling or any one event "makes" you anything but you -- we are the sum of our experiences and our reactions to them...anything else is conjecture or icing.

Mo betta?

JHAll the questions above could be answered by me, or you could read through this thread again, not taking everything so goddamn seriously. Some of it was tongue in cheek, some of it was hyperbole, but the truth is all there.

That's ok. I don't really mind dirty old men. In fact, I'm rather fond of them.


Alllllllllllllllriiiiiiiiiiiiiight! Giggety-giggety-giggety.

Well, I don't understand why you've suddenly attracted this wave of animosity and negativity... although I think it MIGHT have something to do with a whole load of teenage boys being suddenly jealous that you are getting further than they can.....

Maybe...?

It all sounds like good news, so far... and it certainly sounds like you put all your cards on the table. :)

Now, I guess it's just a matter of seeing where it all goes from here.

Good luck, and have fun! :D

Yay, Oxwana!

You did a really great job with her. You'll have her in no time, I'm fairly certain. I'm glad you decided to go for it. Even if it's not for you, look at what a great story you'll have to tell!

Well, I don't understand why you've suddenly attracted this wave of animosity and negativity... although I think it MIGHT have something to do with a whole load of teenage boys being suddenly jealous that you are getting further than they can.....I like the way you think.


It all sounds like good news, so far... and it certainly sounds like you put all your cards on the table. :)

Now, I guess it's just a matter of seeing where it all goes from here.

Good luck, and have fun! :DYour comments have been very encouraging. They really have helped, and I'm greatful.

Tonight work was less than fun, but only because my girl wasn't there. I spent the entire night thinking (fantasizing about) her. She's not going to be working all weekend, and I have three shifts ahead of me :(
However will I make it?
Is it creepy to ask a coworker for her number a week or so after you meet her? As it stands, I won't see her untill Thursday, and then not again for days. I want to start seeing her outside of work (and our hideous, unflattering uniforms), but I'm kind of scared...
On the bright side, the girl at school has definitly warmed up to me since I told the GSA about my girl crush. I hear she's looking for a girlfriend...

Yay, Oxwana!

You did a really great job with her. You'll have her in no time, I'm fairly certain. I'm glad you decided to go for it. Even if it's not for you, look at what a great story you'll have to tell!I really should write a book...
Again, I can't say how much this encouragement from kind strangers means to me. I'm not used to being this shy and insecure, and all the positive comments have really helped me out.:)
Thank you.l

Im am a jealous teeneage boy, and so i apologise for all of my ruder counterparts out there

I really should write a book...
Again, I can't say how much this encouragement from kind strangers means to me. I'm not used to being this shy and insecure, and all the positive comments have really helped me out.:)
Thank you.l
You'll be rich!
Then you could right a book about righting that book and become richer!
Sorry to hear that your girl won't be working for a few days.

Im am a jealous teeneage boy, and so i apologise for all of my ruder counterparts out there

Why would any teenage boys be jealous about her actually finding a female she likes and vice versa when I've been searching for about four months now for a girl who actually hates herself enough to consider going out with me?

Why would any teenage boys be jealous about her actually finding a female she likes and vice versa when I've been searching for about four months now for a girl who actually hates herself enough to consider going out with me?


You've been looking for four months? So? I'm at 15 months and counting.

You've been looking for four months? So? I'm at 15 months and counting.

We could turn this into a game of "Who's the most sad, pathetic and lonely" but I don't think we will. I'll admit I was being conservative by saying four months and that it's still no where near 15, but I think we can both agree, it pretty much sucks to be alone.

Alllllllllllllllriiiiiiiiiiiiiight! Giggety-giggety-giggety.
Shut up Quagmire.

:headbang: Yeah, that too.

Actually, I am sure evolution will come up at some point as well. Though I am damned if I can figure out how they'll slip it in.

Thats easy... any debate on Gay rights etc always ends up arguing wether or not homosexuality is a learned behavior or a genetic trait meant to help with population control ^_^ :p

We could turn this into a game of "Who's the most sad, pathetic and lonely" but I don't think we will.

Only because you know I'll kick both your asses. With one hand tied behind my back.

She's not going to be working all weekend, and I have three shifts ahead of me :(
However will I make it?
Is it creepy to ask a coworker for her number a week or so after you meet her? As it stands, I won't see her untill Thursday, and then not again for days. I want to start seeing her outside of work (and our hideous, unflattering uniforms), but I'm kind of scared...


Hmm... Given the circumstances, I don't think it would be too "creepy" to ask for her number, since it's fairly clear how she feels about you. On the other hand, waiting until Thursday isn't all that long... Perhaps you should wait, and see with her at work about seeing her out of work. Also, with any luck, she'll be thinking of you over the week-end and looking forward to seeing you again. ;)

I don't know, it's just a suggestion... I'm not entirely sure what I'd do in your place either.

Only because you know I'll kick both your asses. With one hand tied behind my back.
Game on Sunshine.

Game on Sunshine.

And this'll accomplish?

And this'll accomplish?
To find out who truley is the biggest sad case.:cool:

Hmm... Given the circumstances, I don't think it would be too "creepy" to ask for her number, since it's fairly clear how she feels about you. On the other hand, waiting until Thursday isn't all that long... Perhaps you should wait, and see with her at work about seeing her out of work. Also, with any luck, she'll be thinking of you over the week-end and looking forward to seeing you again. ;)

I don't know, it's just a suggestion... I'm not entirely sure what I'd do in your place either.Thanks for the suggestion. I will restrain myself and not contact her until Thursday (and it will take a lot of restraint).
Maybe I'll put the moves on that chick at school in the meantime...
She's sooooo cute. She has a fauxhawk. :)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will restrain myself and not contact her until Thursday (and it will take a lot of restraint).
Maybe I'll put the moves on that chick at school in the meantime...
She's sooooo cute. She has a fauxhawk. :)
:eek:
I really don't think you can say that word here.

I like the way you think.


Your comments have been very encouraging. They really have helped, and I'm greatful.

Tonight work was less than fun, but only because my girl wasn't there. I spent the entire night thinking (fantasizing about) her. She's not going to be working all weekend, and I have three shifts ahead of me :(
However will I make it?
Is it creepy to ask a coworker for her number a week or so after you meet her? As it stands, I won't see her untill Thursday, and then not again for days. I want to start seeing her outside of work (and our hideous, unflattering uniforms), but I'm kind of scared...
On the bright side, the girl at school has definitly warmed up to me since I told the GSA about my girl crush. I hear she's looking for a girlfriend...

You could hold out for a week, and maybe hit on your other object of affection.... or you could take the matter in hand... would you hold off if this had been a boy?

Sure... you don't want to ruin it by rushing it.... but maybe she would be just as keen as you to spend Sunday night together, somewhere?

Maybe it's just me, but I try to avoid 'messy'... if you want the work-girl, I'd say concentrate on her.... and then, if that goes all pear-shaped, you've still got your lil' school-girl for spare.

But, whatever you decide, good luck... and don't let basement-dwelling teenboy jealousy rain on your parade. :)

dont people realise that PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY SEXUAL?


theres no such as homosexual or heterosexual or even Bisexual.

To find out who truley is the biggest sad case.:cool:
I am. I've given up.

I am. I've given up.
I'll fight you for it. Later. When I care.

:eek:
I really don't think you can say that word here.Why not?:(
She's so cute. Like the girl on America's Next Top Model, only my girl has a hotter face (and a cute stutter).

You could hold out for a week, and maybe hit on your other object of affection.... or you could take the matter in hand... would you hold off if this had been a boy?Hell no. But this is not a boy. I'm exploring some new territory, so I think I'll take it slow.


Sure... you don't want to ruin it by rushing it.... but maybe she would be just as keen as you to spend Sunday night together, somewhere?Well....
Now I'm not so sure. She came in to work this morning. With a guy.:eek:
I'm so confused. Em said that he's most likely a friend (she seems like a "one of the guys" type), but I've been obsessing about it all day. How upset seeing her with a guy made me has me worried.


Maybe it's just me, but I try to avoid 'messy'... if you want the work-girl, I'd say concentrate on her.... and then, if that goes all pear-shaped, you've still got your lil' school-girl for spare.Once again, stellar advice. I really don't need "messy" just now.


But, whatever you decide, good luck... and don't let basement-dwelling teenboy jealousy rain on your parade. :)I won't. The positive comments have outweighed the negative ones in this thread, thanks in large part to you.:fluffle:

I am. I've given up.
But you are only 16 or something.
I saw a guy that looked like a Frog and he has a wife.

Why not?:(
She's so cute. Like the girl on America's Next Top Model, only my girl has a hotter face (and a cute stutter).
Well it must mean something different here to over there.

America's next Top Model[/plug] has had like 5 seasons so that doesnt help.
Not that i watch it but my sisters do and are always yapping about it.

Well it must mean something different here to over there.

America's next Top Model[/plug] has had like 5 seasons so that doesnt help.
Not that i watch it but my sisters do and are always yapping about it.It's a hair style. Like a mohawk, but created (usually on short hair) by making the top middle stand up (by geling or teasing the hair).
It's hot.
I'm pretty sure that Kim is the only out lesbian so far to be on ANTM. It's this season. She's pretty, but not as pretty as the chick at school.

It's a hair style. Like a mohawk, but created (usually on short hair) by making the top middle stand up (by geling or teasing the hair).
It's hot.
I'm pretty sure that Kim is the only out lesbian so far to be on ANTM. It's this season. She's pretty, but not as pretty as the chick at school.
Is she the Blonde one that is Bi sexual and had a fit about them joking about locking her in a Shoe Closet?

She also fainted?

That's my two red cents, now I'm off to read some of it.

Is she the Blonde one that is Bi sexual and had a fit about them joking about locking her in a Shoe Closet?

She also fainted?Nope. I think that that was last season.
This (http://www.realitytvcalendar.com/shows/topmodel5/kim.jpg) is Kim. Her hair is not in a fauxhawk in the picture. Ain't she cute?

That's my two red cents, now I'm off to read some of it.I'm kind of dense. Could you just tell me whether your post was sarcastic or not?

Nope. I think that that was last season.
This (http://www.realitytvcalendar.com/shows/topmodel5/kim.jpg) is Kim. Her hair is not in a fauxhawk in the picture. Ain't she cute?

Eh, she's just too british, though I do remember with fondness the feature article one of the editors of my school newspaper did on the show... I wonder if she's managed to kiss+ all of them yet...

I'm kind of dense. Could you just tell me whether your post was sarcastic or not?

Well, I usually am rather sarcastic and bitter when it comes to women and 'turning lesbian.' But in this case I was being serious, except I left out that I was talking about the topic title.

Yeah, I have a problem with forgetting to include words. So yeah, my personal headcase aside, I find the topic fascinating and I thoroughly enjoyed reading the topic title. It made me sorta gigle/titter, in an odd combination of the two types of laughter.

Eh, she's just too british, though I do remember with fondness the feature article one of the editors of my school newspaper did on the show... I wonder if she's managed to kiss+ all of them yet...One of the girls on the show, Sarah (http://www.realitytvcalendar.com/shows/topmodel5/sarah.jpg) seemed to me to be a repressed lesbian. She was just waiting for an oportunity to get with another chick, and she threw herself at Kim (literally). She's since been kicked off.

Nope. I think that that was last season.
This (http://www.realitytvcalendar.com/shows/topmodel5/kim.jpg) is Kim. Her hair is not in a fauxhawk in the picture. Ain't she cute?
7.2 out of 10.
So yes she is cute.
But does it matter?

7.2 out of 10.
So yes she is cute.
But does it matter?I'm actually not attracted to Kim. Like, not at all. The confusing thing to me now is that I'm attracted to a grand total of two women, and not even a little bit to any others. The chicks that I do like, however, are crazy beautiful (IMO). The girl at school is 10x as pretty as Kim.

By the way....

7.2 out of 10.
So yes she is cute.
But dies it matter?How the Hell did you calculate that???

By the way....

How the Hell did you calculate that???
Using a Rubber Band,an empty Condom Packet a packet of Maltesers and a Drinking Straw why do you ask?

I'm actually not attracted to Kim. Like, not at all. The confusing thing to me now is that I'm attracted to a grand total of two women, and not even a little bit to any others. The chicks that I do like, however, are crazy beautiful (IMO). The girl at school is 10x as pretty as Kim.
What is Crazy beautiful?
Is this Girl a Lesbian?
I rate most people fairly highly in fact one should always take 20% off anything i say.

Yeah, it's pretty much all part of the joys of being an arbiter.

Yeah, it's pretty much all part of the joys of being an arbiter.
arbiter???
Do you mean Arsebiter?:confused:

What is Crazy beautiful?
Is this Girl a Lesbian?
I rate most people fairly highly in fact one should always take 20% off anything i say.Crazy means "very" in this context. Kim is a lesbian, as is the girl at school. Yeah, Kim is pretty, but not too hot. And the androgenous look doesn't work for her because her face is too round. The chick at school is perfect.

arbiter???
Do you mean Arsebiter?:confused:

Arbiter

# One chosen or appointed to judge or decide a disputed issue; an arbitrator.
# One who has the power to judge or ordain at will: an arbiter of fashion.

Crazy means "very" in this context. Kim is a lesbian, as is the girl at school. Yeah, Kim is pretty, but not too hot. And the androgenous look doesn't work for her because her face is too round. The chick at school is perfect.
So is that what that movie is about?
Crazy Beautiful....
Yes boy/girl features.

Arbiter

# One chosen or appointed to judge or decide a disputed issue; an arbitrator.
# One who has the power to judge or ordain at will: an arbiter of fashion.
Okay so what was the reference to?

So is that what that movie is about?
Crazy Beautiful....
Yes boy/girl features.I don't think that Crazy Beautiful has the same meaning. More like, "beautiful in a crazy way" or "wild, untamed beauty". I just meant very hot.

Okay so what was the reference to?

You mean what was my source? dictionary.com

I thought we had something special, Oxwana. You're never on anymore. *is Nureonia*

Anyway, meh. Guys are sometimes shit, but maybe you're just angry at us. ;) It wouldn't make you a lesbo. I think.

I thought we had something special, Oxwana. You're never on anymore. *is Nureonia*

Anyway, meh. Guys are sometimes shit, but maybe you're just angry at us. ;) It wouldn't make you a lesbo. I think.I'm pretty sure that it's not just man-hate, at this point. I'm actually incredibly attracted to the girl at work. Sex dreams, the whole bit. Thursday at work I couldn't stop thinking about her. It was eight hours of hardcore lesbian porn, starring her and me.
I think that makes me bisexual, at least...

You mean what was my source? dictionary.com
No i mean what were they talking about?

I don't think that Crazy Beautiful has the same meaning. More like, "beautiful in a crazy way" or "wild, untamed beauty". I just meant very hot.
Are you very hot?

Okay so what was the reference to?

It was a reference to his giving her a 7.2/10.

That is to say, the decimals were likely put in due to an arbitrary whim that was all part of the joy of being the final ultimate judge on what you were going to say/think.

I'm pretty sure that it's not just man-hate, at this point. I'm actually incredibly attracted to the girl at work. Sex dreams, the whole bit. Thursday at work I couldn't stop thinking about her. It was eight hours of hardcore lesbian porn, starring her and me.
I think that makes me bisexual, at least...

Don't feel the need for titles to ease the minds of others... if you like boys, fine and dandy. If you are curious about girls, you are curious. I'd say you would only be 'bisexual', if you consider there to be two strict gender poles, and that you are sexually attracted to both.

Don't feel constricted to a description, just because other people need to label you, so they know how to react.

Are you very hot?That's the most random question I've been asked all day.

It was a reference to his giving her a 7.2/10.

That is to say, the decimals were likely put in due to an arbitrary whim that was all part of the joy of being the final ultimate judge on what you were going to say/think.
Ah thank you.

No i mean what were they talking about?

I don't know. I wasn't paying attention. :p

That's the most random question I've been asked all day.
Why thank you.
Would you like another one?
What are you wearing.:p

Why thank you.
Would you like another one?
What are you wearing.:p
of course by that i mean what are you not wearing?
*Raises eyebrow*

I'm pretty sure that it's not just man-hate, at this point. I'm actually incredibly attracted to the girl at work. Sex dreams, the whole bit. Thursday at work I couldn't stop thinking about her. It was eight hours of hardcore lesbian porn, starring her and me.
I think that makes me bisexual, at least...

Yes, that would make you bisexual. If you want to fuck her, that's probably bi-ness.

And why are you never on MSN anymore!? </offtopic>

of course by that i mean what are you not wearing?
*Raises eyebrow*
Well, it is a pretty good bet that she is not wearing a suit of plate mail. She is probably also not dressed as a Tangerine, or kitted up as an astronaut. Her trench coat is almost certainly in the closet, and I find it hard to believe, That anyone would still dress, as a ranking officer within the SS.

Don't feel the need for titles to ease the minds of others... if you like boys, fine and dandy. If you are curious about girls, you are curious. I'd say you would only be 'bisexual', if you consider there to be two strict gender poles, and that you are sexually attracted to both.

Don't feel constricted to a description, just because other people need to label you, so they know how to react.It's not so much that I need to label myself as that I need to understand what it is that I'm feeling.
When I first became attracted to the girl at school, I was kind of in denial. Like, "she's cute, and I like her hair, and she seems like a nice person... but I don't like girls". It's not that I object to homosexuality, or being gay, but that I've never felt this way before, and my sexual identity has basically been turned on it's head. I have never been attracted to women in the past, even though I was open to the possibility. After a while, I came to the conclusion that I was just really, really straight; only ever attracted to guys. That's how I thought of myself, so these new feelings are confusing.
After I admitted that I was attracted to her, I was in denial that I was actually attracted to her because I might like chicks. While she would make a pretty hot guy, the fact of the matter is that I'm not attracted to guys who look like her, only to girls who look like her...

So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that I do like women, just as much as I like guys, but my "type" of woman is pretty rare. I only know two such women, and I am obsessed with the two. So the kind of guy I like, I come across every day. I have always been attracted to chicks, just not to any of the chicks I knew.
Does that make any sense at all?

Well, it is a pretty good bet that she is not wearing a suit of plate mail. She is probably also not dressed as a Tangerine, or kitted up as an astronaut. Her trench coat is almost certainly in the closet, and I find it hard to believe, That anyone would still dress, as a ranking officer within the SS.
Shows how little you know these guys probably do.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/again-hanjar.html

Why thank you.
Would you like another one?
What are you wearing.:pI answered the other question in the How comfortable are you with your looks? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452658) thread. I think I'm hot, but it's all subjective. My pic is in the pic thread, if that's still around. And I'm wearing a sports bra and boxers.
>best Joey voice< How are you doin'?

It's not so much that I need to label myself as that I need to understand what it is that I'm feeling.
When I first became attracted to the girl at school, I was kind of in denial. Like, "she's cute, and I like her hair, and she seems like a nice person... but I don't like girls". It's not that I object to homosexuality, or being gay, but that I've never felt this way before, and my sexual identity has basically been turned on it's head. I have never been attracted to women in the past, even though I was open to the possibility. After a while, I came to the conclusion that I was just really, really straight; only ever attracted to guys. That's how I thought of myself, so these new feelings are confusing.
After I admitted that I was attracted to her, I was in denial that I was actually attracted to her because I might like chicks. While she would make a pretty hot guy, the fact of the matter is that I'm not attracted to guys who look like her, only to girls who look like her...

So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that I do like women, just as much as I like guys, but my "type" of woman is pretty rare. I only know two such women, and I am obsessed with the two. So the kind of guy I like, I come across every day. I have always been attracted to chicks, just not to any of the chicks I knew.
Does that make any sense at all?

I know exactly what you mean. I consider myself 'straight' (as far as THAT goes), but I accept that THAT could only be because I haven't met the right person.

What you are, is not 'gay', 'straight' or 'bi'... or any other hard and fast option on a sliding scale. What you are, is 'self-aware', now, in a way you have never been before.

Shows how little you know these guys probably do.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/again-hanjar.html
Some how, I doubt that a Female Canadian Bisexual would make much progress up the promotion ladder in a Bosnian militia.

I answered the other question in the How comfortable are you with your looks? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452658) thread. I think I'm hot, but it's all subjective. My pic is in the pic thread, if that's still around. And I'm wearing a sports bra and boxers.
>best Joey voice< How are you doin'?
Ive felt super happy since pretty much yesterday even though we lost and badly i had massive amounts of fun and oh the tan i am getting.

Some how, I doubt that a Female Canadian Bisexual would make much progress up the promotion ladder in a Bosnian militia.
Well it is an SS Division after all so who knows.

I know exactly what you mean. I consider myself 'straight' (as far as THAT goes), but I accept that THAT could only be because I haven't met the right person.

What you are, is not 'gay', 'straight' or 'bi'... or any other hard and fast option on a sliding scale. What you are, is 'self-aware', now, in a way you have never been before.Now that's a label that I can live with.

Now that's a label that I can live with.

But you can't live with bi?

Now that's a label that I can live with.

Well, I think it is important to be honest... especially in relationships... but MOST importantly, with oneself.

I know dozens of guys who cannot admit that they find a man attractive, even... and yet, I'd comfortably say that I find Johnny Depp to be extraordinarily beautiful.

Does that mean other guys DON'T see him as attractive, or are they just scared of the baggage they envision going with admission?

Life is short... there's no gain in denial.

But you can't live with bi?

But, does 'bi' really describe her... or is it a handy way of labelling her, to make other people feel like they can quantify her?

But you can't live with bi?I'm not sure. Am I attracted to women in general? Not really. So I'm leaning towards no.

But, does 'bi' really describe her... or is it a handy way of labelling her, to make other people feel like they can quantify her?That came up at work, when my coworkers and I were discussing gaydar. When we were talking about whether there's a way to tell if a woman is a lesbian, I mentioned that people have thought that I was gay and called me a lesbian for years. I lift, take auto shop, am outspoken, and don't shave my legs. I also think that it's beneath me to argue with the idiots who assume that I am a lesbian. I can therefore not possibly be sexually attracted to guys.:rolleyes:
I was just trying to illustrate that it's impossible to tell, but one girl I work with seemed to think that I was coming out or something. She said, "yeah, i would think that you're a lesbian. Are you?". It made me very uncomfortable to be put on the spot like that... But it also makes me angry. What business is it of hers? Will she think of me differently? As I've said before, the only reason to care about someone else's orientation is if you're attracted to them, and I know that she isn't attracted to me...
It's exactly as you said. She wants to quantify me.

I don't like labels in general, but things like "bi-curious" are the worst. I don't like the vast majority of people who call themselves that, but I also object to labeling natural human behaviour (such as sexual curiosity) like it's some medical condition.

I can therefore not possibly be sexually attracted to guys.
Rule of thumb, men: if a woman is not attracted to one guy, then she sure aint attracted to ANY guy at all!

(just trying to save everyone from heartbreak that's all)

Rule of thumb, men: if a woman is not attracted to one guy, then she sure aint attracted to ANY guy at all!

(just trying to save everyone from heartbreak that's all)

So - what you are saying is, any girl who won't sleep with YOU... must be a lesbian?

Well, it is a pretty good bet that she is not wearing a suit of plate mail. She is probably also not dressed as a Tangerine, or kitted up as an astronaut. Her trench coat is almost certainly in the closet, and I find it hard to believe, That anyone would still dress, as a ranking officer within the SS.
You'd be surprised. :p

So - what you are saying is, any girl who won't sleep with YOU... must be a lesbian?
Obviously. I mean, it can't be his fault for being arrogant, it has to be her fault for being afraid of teh cock.

So - what you are saying is, any girl who won't sleep with YOU... must be a lesbian?
replace the "YOU" with "any one guy", and you've got it ;)

So - what you are saying is, any girl who won't sleep with YOU... must be a lesbian?I get that a lot too.
I'm thought of as "easy" by some. Basically, if I think you're hot, and I'm in the mood (and I always am), I'll do you. Guys hear this, try, get turned down, then call me a dyke. Inspired.

That's ok, my anti-sexualism is only limited to conventional stuff like normal intercourse, oral sex, anal sex, etc. ;)
Hey man! I'm the resident anti-sexual here! Don't muscle onto my turf!

Hey man! I'm the resident anti-sexual here! Don't muscle onto my turf!
:rolleyes: My anti-sexualism is limited to CONVENTIONAL things. Can you read? You know, things like normal intercourse, oral sex, anal sex, rape, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, BDSM and so on. I'm fine with most other things. ;)

To get us back on the subject, I'd just like to say that I've been reading this for four hours and now that I'm caught up I'd like to say that this is all very interesting. I'm really pulling for things to work out fo you. Just wondering, how old are you? It sounds to me like you're older than 16, but younger than about twenty...? Again, I really hope things work out and I'll give you as much advice as I can. Then again, I'm only thirteen so what do I know about any of this stuff.

:rolleyes: My anti-sexualism is limited to CONVENTIONAL things. Can you read? You know, things like normal intercourse, oral sex, anal sex, rape, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, BDSM and so on. I'm fine with most other things. ;)
A softie, I see. Not fully ready to commit to the cause! The glorious cause!

And what exactly would you consider non-conventional, then?

And what exactly would you consider non-conventional, then?

I don't think we want to know.

I'd also like to add that the only one that I can tell is being genuinly caring and helpful is Grave_n_Idle. Everyone else is having their own conversations and not even paying attention with what's going on with Oxwana. If you want to talk about the SS or any other crap, I suggest you find another thread because some of us are actually interested in Oxwana's problem. By the way, Grave_n_Idle, I'm a little confused. Are you a guy or a girl? You talk about how it's weird that you find Johnny Depp attractive, but then you can't be a guy because all the guys here are idiots. By the way, I'm a guy.

To get us back on the subject, I'd just like to say that I've been reading this for four hours and now that I'm caught up I'd like to say that this is all very interesting. I'm really pulling for things to work out for you. Just wondering, how old are you? It sounds to me like you're older than 16, but younger than about twenty...? Again, I really hope things work out and I'll give you as much advice as I can. Then again, I'm only thirteen so what do I know about any of this stuff.Thanks for your interest and concern. It's very sweet of you to say that you're rooting for me, and I appreciate it. I'll need all the help I can get, so I'm sure that I'll be taking you up on your offer of advice before long.
I'm 17 (for another month). Good guess.

I'd also like to add that the only one that I can tell is being genuinly caring and helpful is Grave_n_Idle. Everyone else is having their own conversations and not even paying attention with what's going on with Oxwana. If you want to talk about the SS or any other crap, I suggest you find another threadSeconded.


By the way, Grave_n_Idle, I'm a little confused. Are you a guy or a girl? You talk about how it's weird that you find Johnny Depp attractive, but then you can't be a guy because all the guys here are idiots. By the way, I'm a guy.:eek:
You're a guy???
When you told me that you were thirteen, I assumed you were a chick... I've met maybe a dozen guys as mature as you seem to be, and they were all (surprise surprise), well, old.

I'd also like to add that the only one that I can tell is being genuinly caring and helpful is Grave_n_Idle. Everyone else is having their own conversations and not even paying attention with what's going on with Oxwana. If you want to talk about the SS or any other crap, I suggest you find another thread because some of us are actually interested in Oxwana's problem. By the way, Grave_n_Idle, I'm a little confused. Are you a guy or a girl? You talk about how it's weird that you find Johnny Depp attractive, but then you can't be a guy because all the guys here are idiots. By the way, I'm a guy.

:) Why, thank you. It is nice to feel appreciated... and twice in the same thread, means I must be doing something right.

You'll probably just have to ignore most of the 'static' in this thread... some people cannot be helpful on such topics, and othes will not. And then, there are a lot of people who feel uncomfortable for having looked into such a thread in the first place, (like they've been caught with their hands in a cookie jar), who alleviate their discomfort by attacking everyone else... and those who fel uncomfortable around issues of gender... who cover up by acting flippant and surrealistic.

Just so long as Oxwana is getting SOME support (thanks for that, by the way) and advice, I think the thread, overall, is probably worth it.

It's not that unusual to be unsure about gender on the anonymous internet, so I'm not offended... I am a guy. But, I feel, one who has been a lot of places, and done a lot of things... maybe I'm not the BEST person to advise Oxwana, but I didn't get the choice to be a lesbian, so I'm just making do. :)

Oh - I didn't say it was 'weird' to like Johnny Depp... just that many guys will not ADMIT it... not weird, just unusual to be self-aware and honest, maybe.

Last point... if you are a guy, then not ALL the guys in the thread are idiots, my friend. :)

Seconded.


:eek:
You're a guy???
When you told me that you were thirteen, I assumed you were a chick... I've met maybe a dozen guys as mature as you seem to be, and they were all (surprise surprise), well, old.

I know! I was impressed. :)

LOL.

Oxwana is a confused teen. Hah.

I checked that one along with bisexual and closested lesbian.

The point is your bisexual.

Or a confused teen.

Most likely confused teen.

I don't think we want to know.
You're right, you don't. :p

LOL.

Oxwana is a confused teen. Hah.

I checked that one along with bisexual and closested lesbian.

The point is your bisexual.

Or a confused teen.

Most likely confused teen.I'm still not sure what I'm going to vote for.
I'm leaning towards "spider? o_O".
Or, "confused teenage girl who loves to have sex with guys but would also like to be pushed up against a wall and kissed by another girl late one night while out on a smoke break".
But that's not an option on the poll. Damnit.

I'm still not sure what I'm going to vote for.
I'm leaning towards "spider? o_O".
Or, "confused teenage girl who loves to have sex with guys but would also like to be pushed up against a wall and kissed by another girl late one night while out on a smoke break".
But that's not an option on the poll. Damnit.
I'm also leaning towards "spider". It really isn't such a bad life. ^_^

I'm also leaning towards "spider". It really isn't such a bad life. ^_^
Agreed. Plus, I'll get to squish her when I get the chance. :gundge: (i still hate girl-loving girls)

I'm still not sure what I'm going to vote for.
I'm leaning towards "spider? o_O".
Something I need to clarify. Is this a spider as in arachnid, or spidersexual, as in really bizarre fetish I've never heard of before? (And there aren't many fetishes I [i]haven't[i/] heard of, the Interweb is both wonderous and horrible at times).
Or, "confused teenage girl who loves to have sex with guys but would also like to be pushed up against a wall and kissed by another girl late one night while out on a smoke break".
But that's not an option on the poll. Damnit.
Desiring undesired sexual advances is rather silly. Better to be the pusher then the pushee.

Desiring undesired sexual advances is rather silly. Better to be the pusher then the pushee.
What's wrong with being the pushee? :confused:

What's wrong with being the pushee? :confused:
The pushee doesn't get to choose the pusher. In my experience, you push people who are upwards the scale of attractiveness, and are pushed by those who are lower.

:eek:
You're a guy???
When you told me that you were thirteen, I assumed you were a chick... I've met maybe a dozen guys as mature as you seem to be, and they were all (surprise surprise), well, old.

The fact that I'm a guy even surprises people I've known all my life.

Not that taht makes any sense. :)

Gotta go. Stupid thirteen-year-old bed-time. But I'll be back first thing in the morning. Hopefully y'all can go ten hours without my presense.

The pushee doesn't get to choose the pusher. In my experience, you push people who are upwards the scale of attractiveness, and are pushed by those who are lower.
In layman's terms, please.

In layman's terms, please.

The one who gets pushed doesn't chose who pushes them. Therefore, the person who is pushed is usually better-looking.

In layman's terms, please.
Like Linthiopia said, and I thought I was pretty close to layman's terms. Too much time spent trying to confuse people with word play is to be much confusing on others comprehension of my own verbal issuances, I suppose.

The one who gets pushed doesn't chose who pushes them. Therefore, the person who is pushed is usually better-looking.
Great. just great.

Girls think i'm uber ugly (which i'm NOT). And I don't like pushing people into directions that they probably wouldn't want to go in life, thus i prefer to let women make the first move, and all women think i'm ugly.

In layman's terms, I'm screwed.

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In layman's terms, I'm screwed.
Aren't we all?

In layman's terms, I'm screwed.
Is that what you want?

Great. just great.

Girls think i'm uber ugly (which i'm NOT). And I don't like pushing people into directions that they probably wouldn't want to go in life, thus i prefer to let women make the first move, and all women think i'm ugly.
Drunkeness (yours and theirs) is the obvious solution. Alternately, lose weight/bulk out (circle which ever applies), brush your teeth, and quit slouching like that!
Now that I have fulfilled my useless advice quotient, on to the obvious pun:
In layman's terms, I'm screwed.
No, you aren't screwed, nor will you be in the immediatly forseeable future. This is your problem.

Is that what you want?
no. but it appears to be my destiny. :(

No, you aren't screwed, nor will you be in the immediatly forseeable future. This is your problem.
what do you mean?

This one's to Plutonian Empire; why do you hate lesbians? I know you're going the whole complainy "they're the reason i don't get laid" excuse, but come on. Are you against anything different? My guess is that while part of it is jealousy, for the most part you just don't know what you're talking about. Think about it. Doesn't Oxwana seem like any other girl? The only difference is, she was no sexual preference. Or close to none, seeing as how she still seems to favor guys. And I want a real answer, not something to be funny or smart.

what do you mean?

He's using "screwed" in it's literal form. Meaning you're not getting any and won't be for a while.

He's using "screwed" in it's literal form. Meaning you're not getting any and won't be for a while.
Well, technically the literal meaning of screwed would be if someone stuffed a screwdriver into his head, gave it a few twists, and then had him up to his neck in wood.
But, yeah, you're pretty much right.
Now back on topic, Canadian Bisexuals Who Post on NS, what of them?

What happened to the 13-year old bedtime? :p

Seriously, yeah, jealousy plays a role. Plus, i'm bitter about being single for MY WHOLE ENTIRE 21 YEARS OF LIFE. Added to the bitterness, my birth mother abandoned me when I was just 3 months old. Thus, part of it is my fault--I do NOT wan't to be left by a stuck-up bitch a second time around, thus I sit around on my ass playing video games while I wait for "the right one".

There is one positive side to this: i looooove nukes. *evil grin* :D
First of all, I can stay up as long as I want as long as I don't get caught.

More importantly, the fact your mother left you at such a young age (while very sad, don't get me wrong) doesn't seem to have any connection to this unless she was a lesbian. Also, how do you expect to find this "right one" if you're on your ass playing video games. It's okay for me, but for a [I]twenty-one year old man[I] it doesn't seem right for obvious reasons. And, how do lesbians have to do with being left by a stuck up bitch?

Gee, he deleted it....

This one's to Plutonian Empire; why do you hate lesbians? I know you're going the whole complainy "they're the reason i don't get laid" excuse, but come on. Are you against anything different? My guess is that while part of it is jealousy, for the most part you just don't know what you're talking about. Think about it. Doesn't Oxwana seem like any other girl? The only difference is, she was no sexual preference. Or close to none, seeing as how she still seems to favor guys. And I want a real answer, not something to be funny or smart.
What happened to the 13-year old bedtime? :p

Seriously, yeah, jealousy plays a role. Plus, i'm bitter about being single for MY WHOLE ENTIRE 21 YEARS OF LIFE.

Now back on topic, Canadian Bisexuals Who Post on NS, what of them?
I am in favor of Canadian Bisexuals Who Post on NS. Everyone who doesn't is a NAZI (Yes I know I broke that rule) or The Plutonian Empire.
There is one positive side to this: i looooove nukes. *evil grin* :D
Nukes are good, prozac is better.

What happened to the 13-year old bedtime? :p

Seriously, yeah, jealousy plays a role. Plus, i'm bitter about being single for MY WHOLE ENTIRE 21 YEARS OF LIFE.
WHy did you take out the other part about your birth mother?

WHy did you take out the other part about your birth mother?
It wasn't relevant.

I am in favor of Canadian Bisexuals Who Post on NS. Everyone who doesn't is a NAZI (Yes I know I broke that rule) or The Plutonian Empire.

Nukes are good, prozac is better.
What rule?

It wasn't relevant.
Fair enough. But it doesn't seem that your present arguement is completely relevant either. If you've been single your whole life, why are you sitting here at a computer talking with people you have never met? Why don't you try to find somebody?

What rule?
It's Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law) (thank you Uber Awesome). Basicly it states that in an arguement the any person that references the Nazis (unless the thread is about Genocide etc) or calls his/her opponant a Nazi (unless they are talking about their plans to kill the Jewish people) immediatly loses the arguement. If the poster is a Nazi (or a white nationalist as they prefer to be called) replace Nazi with Jewish person.

I got caught. Talk to y'all tommorow.

Fair enough. But it doesn't seem that your present arguement is completely relevant either. If you've been single your whole life, why are you sitting here at a computer talking with people you have never met? Why don't you try to find somebody?
because i KNOW that NO ONE will like me enough, in spite of my hopes. even with 3 billion women on the planet, not ONE of them will like me enough. Even through the ice-breaker known as the World Wide Web. for example, i post my pic on a dating site for to be rated, ALL of VOTES were rates of THREE OR UNDER (on a scale of 1 to 10), so my LOOKS are another facter (and no, i don't think i'm ugly. i like myself the way i am) as to WHY no woman would want me.

because i KNOW that NO ONE will like me enough, in spite of my hopes. even with 3 billion women on the planet, not ONE of them will like me enough. Even through the ice-breaker known as the World Wide Web. for example, i post my pic on a dating site for to be rated, ALL of VOTES were rates of THREE OR UNDER (on a scale of 1 to 10), so my LOOKS are another facter (and no, i don't think i'm ugly. i like myself the way i am) as to WHY no woman would want me.
In my experience, which I know is not that much but still listen, everyone has their signifacant other. Those who don't find one are simply those who don't try. Take this example; There is an autistic boy in my class who nobody can stand. This year, a new girl came to school. She is the prettiest girl in school and guess who she's gong out with. The autistic boy. It drives all the guys crazy (including me)! So would you rather give up and brood about how nobody likes you, or you could go and find somebody who will like you? And trust me, there is somebody out there.

I cannot remember the name right now. Basicly it states that in an arguement the any person that references the Nazis (unless the thread is about Genocide etc) or calls his/her opponant a Nazi (unless they are talking about their plans to kill the Jewish people) immediatly loses the arguement. If the poster is a Nazi (or a white nationalist as they prefer to be called) replace Nazi with Jewish person.
Is that a real rule? I'm not sure if I completly understand so I can't tell if you're somehow joking.

On the question of if Oxwana should ask her lady (by the way a name, even made up, would be helpful) for her number or not, we have to keep in mind that this is all actually happening. Sure, it would be more interesting and therefor potentially more entertaining for the readers, but the advice we give her is usually the advice she will take. While I am hoping Oxwana asks for her lady's number, I also think the chances of it backfiring are pretty high. While it sounds like she definitly likes you, Oxwana, you can never be too sure.

Is that a real rule? I'm not sure if I completly understand so I can't tell if you're somehow joking.

Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law)

Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law)
If that's the case, I've lost every arguement I've ever been in.

Oh, quite your whining Plutonian. So what if no women want you? There are more things to life than silly romantic relationships. Romance is a fool's game, where you exchange freedom and reason for submission and irrationality.

Oh, quite your whining Plutonian. So what if no women want you? There are more things to life than silly romantic relationships. Romance is a fool's game, where you exchange freedom and reason for submission and irrationality.
You have no idea how much I disagree. Seeing as how sex is a necessity for our species, do you think humanity would be better with thousands of one night stands or a healthy family?

So what I've learned from this thread:
Looking like a chick appeals.

Ok then.

You have no idea how much I disagree. Seeing as how sex is a necessity for our species, do you think humanity would be better with thousands of one night stands or a healthy family?

...And I mentioned I support sex when? Sex is disgusting, filthy, and irrational---I realize it is a necessity for the human race, and if it must be done it should be followed up with a healthy family, but it's far saner for an individual to abstain from both.

So what I've learned from this thread:
Looking like a chick appeals.

Ok then.
Then I must be the sexiest guy ever!

...And I mentioned I support sex when? Sex is disgusting, filthy, and irrational---I realize it is a necessity for the human race, and if it must be done it should be followed up with a healthy family, but it's far saner for an individual to abstain from both.
And since when is the human race considered sane?

Oh, quite your whining Plutonian. So what if no women want you? There are more things to life than silly romantic relationships. Romance is a fool's game, where you exchange freedom and reason for submission and irrationality.

...And I mentioned I support sex when? Sex is disgusting, filthy, and irrational---I realize it is a necessity for the human race, and if it must be done it should be followed up with a healthy family, but it's far saner for an individual to abstain from both.

Oh, not this again...:rolleyes:

Oxwana,
Sorry if I got this forum a little off topic. It was headed that way anyways.:rolleyes:

Oh, not this again...:rolleyes:
Has he done this before?

Has he done this before?
I'm NS General's resident anti-sexual/anti-lover. I've done whole threads where I take on the world. I try to help people see the right path---love and sex wreak too much irrational harm upon the world for me to do nothing about it.

And since when is the human race considered sane?
Well, we've got to try now, don't we? And yes, I realize this is derailing Oxwana's thread, but she might want to consider my advice as well.

Well, we've got to try now, don't we? And yes, I realize this is derailing Oxwana's thread, but she might want to consider my advice as well.
I don't think I've seen any advice coming from you.:p

I'm NS General's resident anti-sexual/anti-lover. I've done whole threads where I take on the world. I try to help people see the right path---love and sex wreak too much irrational harm upon the world for me to do nothing about it.
Either yo weren't hugged as a child or you've been in some bad relationships.

Either yo weren't hugged as a child or you've been in some bad relationships.
Well, I was advising Plutonia, but Oxwana could use the same advice. Stop letting sex and romance dominate your life! It's irrational---it makes no logical sense whatsoever, it consumes you, and allows primitive instincts to override your sane choices.

Secondly, I was hugged plenty as a child (although I hate it) and while I've gone through a relationship, I was like this before that. I was in love for a bit, but then I returned to my ways.

I'm NS General's resident anti-sexual/anti-lover. I've done whole threads where I take on the world. I try to help people see the right path---love and sex wreak too much irrational harm upon the world for me to do nothing about it.

Of course, SOME people argue that you just don't understand the difference between asexual, and celibate.

Well, I was advising Plutonia, but Oxwana could use the same advice. Stop letting sex and romance dominate your life! It's irrational---it makes no logical sense whatsoever, it consumes you, and allows primitive instincts to override your sane choices.

Secondly, I was hugged plenty as a child (although I hate it) and while I've gone through a relationship, I was like this before that. I was in love for a bit, but then I returned to my ways.
It's a bit late for me to follow this "advice," so I won't. But sex has always been both a joy and an aggravation for me for as long as I can remember. Perhaps that will change now, but somehow I doubt it. :D

Well, I was advising Plutonia, but Oxwana could use the same advice. Stop letting sex and romance dominate your life! It's irrational---it makes no logical sense whatsoever, it consumes you, and allows primitive instincts to override your sane choices.

Secondly, I was hugged plenty as a child (although I hate it) and while I've gone through a relationship, I was like this before that. I was in love for a bit, but then I returned to my ways.

As someone who is a PROFOUND student of the intellect, I still have to disagree with you, my friend...

What would be illogical, is to have a frame that is designed to experience... and not experience.

Our primitive instincts are there for a reason, and there is nothing 'bad' about them, except the 'bad' that people attach to them.

My guess would be that you argue celibacy, because you aren't getting an alternative....

Crazy mixed up teenage hormones. Aren't they wonderful? :D

Either yo weren't hugged as a child or you've been in some bad relationships.
I vote both, wait, who are we talking about again?

In my experience, which I know is not that much but still listen, everyone has their signifacant other. Those who don't find one are simply those who don't try. Take this example; There is an autistic boy in my class who nobody can stand. This year, a new girl came to school. She is the prettiest girl in school and guess who she's gong out with. The autistic boy. It drives all the guys crazy (including me)! So would you rather give up and brood about how nobody likes you, or you could go and find somebody who will like you? And trust me, there is somebody out there.
Yeah, but she's not on this planet. :p

I'm assuming that the one for me is actually an aquatic space alien from another world.

sweetie? are you out there? :fluffle:

:D

Yeah, but she's not on this planet. :p

I'm assuming that the one for me is actually an aquatic space alien from another world.

sweetie? are you out there? :fluffle:

:D
That's... different.:confused:

Is anybody taking this thread seriously, or has it become a vent for disgruntled teens and perverts to talk about how women have ruined their life. I think we should focus on Oxwana's situation instead of disussing whether keeping humanty from becoming extinct is a good thing.

That's... different.:confused:
:D

As someone who is a PROFOUND student of the intellect, I still have to disagree with you, my friend...

What would be illogical, is to have a frame that is designed to experience... and not experience.

Our primitive instincts are there for a reason, and there is nothing 'bad' about them, except the 'bad' that people attach to them.

My guess would be that you argue celibacy, because you aren't getting an alternative....

Our primitive instincts are there to reproduce. But not all of us have to reproduce, so we should not let them override reason.

No, I argue celibacy on a rational standpoint. It's true that I have no other alternative, largely because I'm ugly, obnoxious, and idiotic ,(though I have money, so if I did want to have sex I could) but my abstinence is largely from a logical standpoint.

Of course, SOME people argue that you just don't understand the difference between asexual, and celibate.
Oh I do understand now. I fell in love, so I realize I'm not asexual. I'm more than celibate though---I actively oppose and attack my sexual instincts, so I'm anti-sexual.

Oh I do understand now. I fell in love, so I realize I'm not asexual. I'm more than celibate though---I actively oppose and attack my sexual instincts, so I'm anti-sexual.

I believe the term you are looking for, is 'repressed'.

Our primitive instincts are there to reproduce. But not all of us have to reproduce, so we should not let them override reason.

No, I argue celibacy on a rational standpoint. It's true that I have no other alternative, largely because I'm ugly, obnoxious, and idiotic ,(though I have money, so if I did want to have sex I could) but my abstinence is largely from a logical standpoint.

No no, my friend... our primitive instincts are NOT to reproduce... not in the slightest. In fact - reproduction is just the beneficial RESULT of what we are instinctively driven to.

If we only had instincts to reproduce, there would be no such things as oral or anal intercourse, or manual stimulation... or a whole world of other sensory experiences.

It's the same as food.... do we crave digestive end products? Or do we crave 'eating'.

Our instincts lead us to a world of stimuli. There is nothing logical about refusing to experience stimuli.

No no, my friend... our primitive instincts are NOT to reproduce... not in the slightest. In fact - reproduction is just the beneficial RESULT of what we are instinctively driven to.

If we only had instincts to reproduce, there would be no such things as oral or anal intercourse, or manual stimulation... or a whole world of other sensory experiences.

It's the same as food.... do we crave digestive end products? Or do we crave 'eating'.

Our instincts lead us to a world of stimuli. There is nothing logical about refusing to experience stimuli.
Sounds to me like you've spent a lot of your time studying and thinking about this. Or you're just naturally smart.

Sounds to me like you've spent a lot of your time studying and thinking about this. Or you're just naturally smart.

Ha ha! Well, I'll TAKE the second one... but I think it MIGHT have more to do with the first. :)

Is anybody taking this thread seriously, or has it become a vent for disgruntled teens and perverts to talk about how women have ruined their life. I think we should focus on Oxwana's situation instead of disussing whether keeping humanty from becoming extinct is a good thing.
Personally, I think it's a bad thing. Let humanity die. It doesn't deserve to live anym.... what? ;)

Personally, I think it's a bad thing. Let humanity die. It doesn't deserve to live anym.... what? ;)
You're entitled to your opinion.... Let me just say that you tend to have odd opinions.... Actually, you just seem to be an odd person.... I guess you fit right in here.

You're entitled to your opinion.... Let me just say that you tend to have odd opinions.... Actually, you just seem to be an odd person.... I guess you fit right in here.
LOL!

Semi-sigged (added to thread of quotes about me).

LOL!

Semi-sigged (added to thread of quotes about me).
Where can I find these quotes?

Where can I find these quotes?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9568978&postcount=1

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9568978&postcount=1
People seem to describe you very accuratly!

Is anybody taking this thread seriously, or has it become a vent for disgruntled teens and perverts to talk about how women have ruined their life. I think we should focus on Oxwana's situation instead of disussing whether keeping humanty from becoming extinct is a good thing.

Nope. No one is entirely serious here. Or at least, that's what I'm thinking judging what I've read so far. And until Oxwana shows up and says something interesting about her day, we have nothing else to talk about.

Nope. No one is entirely serious here. Or at least, that's what I'm thinking judging what I've read so far. And until Oxwana shows up and says something interesting about her day, we have nothing else to talk about.
I'm actually praying that Oxwana shows up because she's the one who takes this the most seriously. Gee, I wonder why....

Yeah, but since it's sunday and she didn't ask for a number the other day, she probably won't have any interesting new stories for us. Well, usually if you have a vested interest in it then you take it seriously. For the rest of us, it's kind of like a spectator sport.

Yeah, but since it's sunday and she didn't ask for a number the other day, she probably won't have any interesting new stories for us. Well, usually if you have a vested interest in it then you take it seriously. For the rest of us, it's kind of like a spectator sport.
:(

It's kind of weird. I open up this post everyday hoping to find new turns in the story. I feel like I'm watching a soap opera with a ton of commercial breaks because of all the static.

It's kind of weird. I open up this post everyday hoping to find new turns in the story. I feel like I'm watching a soap opera with a ton of commercial breaks because of all the static.
Commercials are often the best part. Especially when you have no idea what they are supposed to be advertising.

That's the most random question I've been asked all day.
Not that random, I would guess to say that 90% of the guys who have looked at this thread have wondered, and the other 10% are either gay or lying.

replace the "YOU" with "any one guy", and you've got it ;)
What if they're only willing to sleep with more than one guy at a time, unlikely, but possible.

Not that random, I would guess to say that 90% of the guys who have looked at this thread have wondered, and the other 10% are either gay or lying.

Probably even the gay guys have wondered

a lot of the women too Ill bet

I voted the first one because I am the same way (wow two in one day). Im a guy though but there is a guy who looks like a hot girl but I am in no way gay.

Desiring undesired sexual advances is rather silly. Better to be the pusher then the pushee.I'd prefer to be the pushee. It's a wee bit contradictory, but though I am quite sexually agressive, I don't like to be the agressor. I go for people who are even more agressive than I and are really willing to take the lead. I have very little patience for the shy virgin type (my ex).

The pushee doesn't get to choose the pusher. In my experience, you push people who are upwards the scale of attractiveness, and are pushed by those who are lower.Ok, that's just the thing... I'm worried that I'm not hot to lesbians. What do they find attractive? If you asked anyone at work, they'd say that I'm hotter than she is, but that's just because I look more conventional. I think that she's prettier than me, hands down.
So is it safe for me to wait to be the pushee?
What if she doesn't "push" because she's insecure? That's partially why I'm not.
What if she's not attracted to me at all? :(
Do chicks like big tits, by any chance?

I have very little patience for the shy virgin type
So do EVERY woman on the planet, you know.

I shall put this in my sig, so guys can take heed and save themselves from future heartbreak!

Congrats. You are now on my Ignore List.

*fires I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon*

Ok, that's just the thing... I'm worried that I'm not hot to lesbians. What do they find attractive? If you asked anyone at work, they'd say that I'm hotter than she is, but that's just because I look more conventional. I think that she's prettier than me, hands down.
So is it safe for me to wait to be the pushee?
What if she doesn't "push" because she's insecure? That's partially why I'm not.
What if she's not attracted to me at all? :(
Do chicks like big tits, by any chance?
1) Stop pussy footing (no pun intended) around it and make a god-damned move already.
2) Yes, no & maybe. It depends on the chick.

So do EVERY woman on the planet, you know.

I shall put this in my sig, so guys can take heed and save themselves from future heartbreak!

Congrats. You are now on my Ignore List.

*fires I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon*
No flaming/baiting, please.

No flaming/baiting, please.
Trust me, I'm not. :)

On the question of if Oxwana should ask her lady (by the way a name, even made up, would be helpful)Lolita.


for her number or not, we have to keep in mind that this is all actually happening. Sure, it would be more interesting and therefor potentially more entertaining for the readers, but the advice we give her is usually the advice she will take. While I am hoping Oxwana asks for her lady's number, I also think the chances of it backfiring are pretty high. While it sounds like she definitly likes you, Oxwana, you can never be too sure.Ack!
:eek:
Please don't put negative thoughts into my little head, I need all the confidence that I can get now. Don't worry, I have considered the possibility that I will end up miserable and alone. I can almost feel my heart breaking already.:(
I still have to do this. I can't not ask her out because I'm afraid she'll say no. If I don't ask, I'll never know, and I want her too much to not go after her, even if there are risks.

So do EVERY woman on the planet, you know.

I shall put this in my sig, so guys can take heed and save themselves from future heartbreak!

Congrats. You are now on my Ignore List.

*fires I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon*Wow.
I'm sensing a little bit of anger from you...

I never said that I had no patience for virgins. I have no patience for people who have had sex but need to be convinced to have sex. People who aren't willing to admit, to themselves or others, that they are sexual, and do not have a sexually agressive bone (pun intended) in their body annoy me.
I love my ex. I would still be with him now if he would have me, but we weren't incredibly compatible sexually. I had to initiate everything, and it made me feel sexually undesirable.

If you want to ignore me, you could just stay out of the thread that is all about my life.

No no, my friend... our primitive instincts are NOT to reproduce... not in the slightest. In fact - reproduction is just the beneficial RESULT of what we are instinctively driven to.

If we only had instincts to reproduce, there would be no such things as oral or anal intercourse, or manual stimulation... or a whole world of other sensory experiences.:eek:
There would be no lesbian sex.
Quelle horreur!


It's the same as food.... do we crave digestive end products? Or do we crave 'eating'.

Our instincts lead us to a world of stimuli. There is nothing logical about refusing to experience stimuli.True story.
You are so wise.:)

Yeah, but since it's sunday and she didn't ask for a number the other day, she probably won't have any interesting new stories for us. Well, usually if you have a vested interest in it then you take it seriously. For the rest of us, it's kind of like a spectator sport.Actually....
Interesting story, but I accidentally took a four hour for tomorrow night. I shouldn't have, but I couldn't stop myself. oops!
I just tacked four hours onto my 36 hour work week, so I'm working 40 yet again. I'm not exactly proud of this, but i may or may not be looking forward to work now. The thing of it is, though, that I'm a student, and I've been working too much, and I think that I could have used the break away from Lo to get myself figured out.
On the bright side, there is now the possibility of getting some action tomorrow night.:D

If you want to ignore me, you could just stay out of the thread that is all about my life.
got a point there. <_<

*unsubscribes*

Actually....
Interesting story, but I accidentally took a four hour for tomorrow night. I shouldn't have, but I couldn't stop myself. oops!
I just tacked four hours onto my 36 hour work week,
Have fun working some more. I would much rather sleep or come talk to you guys on NS. Well, I guess you have to take every chance you can get to see your lady. At least I get to see my bf at school everyday and at church on the weekends. Good luck tomorrow!

Have fun working some more. I would much rather sleep or come talk to you guys on NS. Well, I guess you have to take every chance you can get to see your lady. At least I get to see my bf at school everyday and at church on the weekends. Good luck tomorrow!Thanks.
If I start to work more regular hours, I guess that I'll be seeing Lo almost every day. As it stands, she takes weekends and fridays off, and that's when I work 24 of my 32 0r 40 weekly hours.:(

Ok, that's just the thing... I'm worried that I'm not hot to lesbians. What do they find attractive? If you asked anyone at work, they'd say that I'm hotter than she is, but that's just because I look more conventional. I think that she's prettier than me, hands down.
So is it safe for me to wait to be the pushee?
What if she doesn't "push" because she's insecure? That's partially why I'm not.
What if she's not attracted to me at all? :(
Do chicks like big tits, by any chance?

I think you are paying FAR too much attention to the ramblings of the Fiddlebottoms person. He is making bizarre and insupportable comments, and I shouldn't be TOO concerned about them, if I were you.

Lesbians, as you know, really, are no different to anyone else. They are attracted to who they are attracted to. That said, perhaps because they ARE women, most that I have known have seemed to prefer 'real' women to plastic... so, I have known many that liked... say Kate Winslett, but very few that were seriously attracted to Pam Anderson.

Attractiveness relies on many factors... most of which are universal.

Now - you might find this hard to believe, but it is borne out by science... there are certain ratios, and certain 'balances', about a human body, that tend to make a person more attractive.

In general, ALL people find symmetry attractive, and the more symmetrical a face, usually, the more attractive it is considered. THis applies to both men AND women. What this means for you is, if MEN find you attractive, the same principles that make you attractive to men, will PROBABLY make you attractive to women, also.

Regarding the 'big tits' comment, again, girls are much like boys. Some go crazy for breasts, and some could care less. Most boys are supposed to flip for big breasts - but some are more interested in nice legs, or a shapely derriere. Girls have a similar variety.

Regarding the pusher/pushee scenario... maybe you should tell her you want to kiss her? She might run away, true... or she might melt into your arms in a gesture of sweet surrender. Or - you might end up pressed against the wall...

But - it all depends on how you want to pace it. She has said she likes girls... you have said you like her. I'd say that, the NEXT time you see her, you should ask her for a date. That way you can BOTH decide how you feel about each other... and you are not BOTH left wondering.

:eek:
There would be no lesbian sex.
Quelle horreur!

True story.
You are so wise.:)

Ha ha! :)

Thank you.... personally, I don't care much for the world our other poster friend envisions. :)

I think you are paying FAR too much attention to the ramblings of the Fiddlebottoms person. He is making bizarre and insupportable comments, and I shouldn't be TOO concerned about them, if I were you.
It is quite supportable by simple observation. Of course there are deviations, but generally the pushee is more desirable than the pusher, hence why the pusher was the one who actually did the pushing.
Its observable, people always try to move up the ladder in life, office workers don't beg for scraps and rich men don't buy from Hyundai.

Originally Posted by Grave_n_idle
But - it all depends on how you want to pace it. She has said she likes girls... you have said you like her. I'd say that, the NEXT time you see her, you should ask her for a date. That way you can BOTH decide how you feel about each other... and you are not BOTH left wondering.

I completly agree with grave there, Ive been reading this for a while and I really hope things work out for you!. I will also try to give advice although it doens tlook like you will need anymore. but my advice does have a tendency to be well... crap alot of the time, but ill try my best anyway.

Ack!
:eek:
Please don't put negative thoughts into my little head, I need all the confidence that I can get now. Don't worry, I have considered the possibility that I will end up miserable and alone. I can almost feel my heart breaking already.:(
I still have to do this. I can't not ask her out because I'm afraid she'll say no. If I don't ask, I'll never know, and I want her too much to not go after her, even if there are risks.
Sorry, didn't mean to be negative. You know I'm pulling for you and I said that it really seems like she likes you. I agree with Grave, you should ask her on a date. Or maybe something more.... Either way, it's always better to make the first move. For all you know, she's having the same dillemas you are. Also, look for subtle hints. I know that I am bad at picking up hints and usually the girl thinks I'm picking them up and am just not interested.

Rotovia-
Czardas
Rule 1 of asking people for advice:

1) Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, in a trillion years, even dare to think of asking any of the following people for advice:

Colodia
Harlesburg
Rotovia
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
Czardas
Lunatic Goofballs
Neo Kervoskia
The Tribes of Longton
I presume the list goes in order. In which case I must point out at lest 51% of the time I make 0.1% more sense then Harlesburg.
Cripes what is this???
I just did a Jolt search of my name and about 40% of the time it is people slagging me off.:eek:

NOTE:
The other 49% of the time i make 2.3% more sense than Rotovia-

I've said it before (although under a different NS name) and I'll say it again: Everyone is by nature bi-sexual to varying degrees of acceptance or denial. It's up to each individual to choose which direction he/she goes in the long run.

It is quite supportable by simple observation. Of course there are deviations, but generally the pushee is more desirable than the pusher, hence why the pusher was the one who actually did the pushing.
Its observable, people always try to move up the ladder in life, office workers don't beg for scraps and rich men don't buy from Hyundai.

Which, of course, makes no sense... when you consider that each individual has personal tastes.

You - for example, might LOVE being pushed up against a wall by Pamela Anderson (not saying you would.... how could I know?). For me, it would be hell.

On the other hand, Selma Blair is welcome to push me against any walls she cares to name... but not everyone would appreciate her attentions, either.

So - one person's 'desirable', is another persons 'dogfood'.

I don't know who told you about this 'ladder' philosophy... but it's just not reflected in reality, my friend... except, MAYBE, by the very shallow and the easily led....

I presume the list goes in order. In which case I must point out at lest 51% of the time I make 0.1% more sense then Harlesburg.Rule 1 of asking people for advice:

1) Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, in a trillion years, even dare to think of asking any of the following people for advice:

Colodia
Harlesburg
Rotovia
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
Czardas
Lunatic Goofballs
Neo Kervoskia
The Tribes of LongtonCripes what is this???
I just did a Jolt search of my name and about 40% of the time it is people slagging me off.:eek:

NOTE:
The other 49% of the time i make 2.3% more sense than Rotovia-
LG can be a good source of advice. There is a great intellect hiding in there somewhere. And how the hell did I not make the list? I make only about 1.2%more sense than Harlesburg. (PS, I never agreed to any eating of anybody's children)

I could really care less if I was the pusher or pushee. Oxwana, I'm waiting on the edge of my seat for tonight's developments! I agree with Grave_n_idle that you should ask her out.

I think that you should take a risk and tell "Lolita" that you want to go on a date. And since I'm in a very hyper mood, I think you should screw her. Just say'n.

Wish me luck at work tonight.
I'm just heading out the door, and I visited this thread for a dose of virtual courage. So far, the posts in this thread have been mostly encouraging (and i choose to ignore those that aren't), and I appreciate that.
I think that I'll take the advice of the posters that I like and have come to respect most and make a move, but I don't know if I'll go so far as to ask her out...
Worst case scenario, she turns me down before I actually ask her out (thus saving me a wee bit of face). Best case, I screw her (as suggested by Songwai, like I wasn't already planning on it).
Think happy lesbian thoughts for me untill 11 tonight, if you please.:D

Which, of course, makes no sense... when you consider that each individual has personal tastes.

You - for example, might LOVE being pushed up against a wall by Pamela Anderson (not saying you would.... how could I know?). For me, it would be hell.

On the other hand, Selma Blair is welcome to push me against any walls she cares to name... but not everyone would appreciate her attentions, either.

So - one person's 'desirable', is another persons 'dogfood'.
Which is exactly why you do the pushing.
The pusher gets to choose the pushee, so I find it hard to believe that the pusher is going to push their "dogfood." If Pamela Anderson and Selma Blair were just standing around in a room with you for some random reason, and you are given the choice of push or wait, then the option to pick is obviously push.
If you wait, Pamela Anderson might become the agressor, and then all hope is lost and your soul will be sent to Hell quick-like laden with every form of STD known to man.
I don't know who told you about this 'ladder' philosophy... but it's just not reflected in reality, my friend... except, MAYBE, by the very shallow and the easily led....
As I said, the "ladder theory" doesn't require everyone to be on the same "ladder", it simply requires that each person have a ladder of some description.
Now, if you wait around, you have no idea which direction the person who comes at you could come from. Yes, you could get Selma Blair, but Pamela Anderson is just as likely to make the attack first. If you move on Selma Blair, then you can dodge Pamela Anderson completely.

Recap for me....

Has she decided she is lesbo, or bi, or is she just experimienting?

*to lazy to read 32 pages*

Wish me luck at work tonight.
I'm just heading out the door, and I visited this thread for a dose of virtual courage. So far, the posts in this thread have been mostly encouraging (and i choose to ignore those that aren't), and I appreciate that.
I think that I'll take the advice of the posters that I like and have come to respect most and make a move, but I don't know if I'll go so far as to ask her out...
Worst case scenario, she turns me down before I actually ask her out (thus saving me a wee bit of face). Best case, I screw her (as suggested by Songwai, like I wasn't already planning on it).
Think happy lesbian thoughts for me untill 11 tonight, if you please.:D
Good Luck.

Recap for me....

Has she decided she is lesbo, or bi, or is she just experimienting?

*to lazy to read 32 pages*
All three.

Yes, I'm as confused as you are, and I've read the 32 pages. Although that's mostly due to Fiddlebottoms' advice giving skills and TPE's whining about lesbians.

All three.

Yes, I'm as confused as you are, and I've read the 32 pages. Although that's mostly due to Fiddlebottoms' advice giving skills and TPE's whining about lesbians.I don't mind nor care what she decides, as long as she doesn't turn into a MAN HATER. I know some women that hate men... I mean they really hate men.

All three.

Yes, I'm as confused as you are, and I've read the 32 pages. Although that's mostly due to Fiddlebottoms' advice giving skills and TPE's whining about lesbians.
If you notice, my advice actually started making sense a few pages ago. Grave may be missing the point a bit (I never said we all have the same scale, just that we each have a scale), but that doesn't make it any less workable.
Although it should be noted that before pushing, make sure that the other person might be receptive. Nothing ruins a first date like a face full of mace and a trip to central booking.

I read the first and last page of this (I didn't think discussing merits and shortcomings of lesbians was worth 32 pages) and I must say good luck to Oxwana, no matter what sex (as in physical gender) she's after. I must also say that if it goes well -- very well -- I besta be hearing everything. Details, and LOTS of them!

Sleazy?



Who cares, I'm a guy, and there is possible lesbianage going on!

I don't mind nor care what she decides, as long as she doesn't turn into a MAN HATER. I know some women that hate men... I mean they really hate men.
Please keep in mind that we are supposed to be positive! I don't think saying "I don't care" is going to improve Oxwana's self-esteem.

Wish me luck at work tonight.
I'm just heading out the door, and I visited this thread for a dose of virtual courage. So far, the posts in this thread have been mostly encouraging (and i choose to ignore those that aren't), and I appreciate that.
I think that I'll take the advice of the posters that I like and have come to respect most and make a move, but I don't know if I'll go so far as to ask her out...
Worst case scenario, she turns me down before I actually ask her out (thus saving me a wee bit of face). Best case, I screw her (as suggested by Songwai, like I wasn't already planning on it).
Think happy lesbian thoughts for me untill 11 tonight, if you please.:D
Aw, now I feel like all the time I've wasted over this post hasn't gone unappreciated. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Good Luck!! Give us all the details. Although, by the time I see them it will probably be the morning because, like Songwai, I am stuck with a thirteen year old bedtime. Grr.

Fiddlebottoms: "If someone is wearing a novelty shirt that has a bullseye on it, is it really wrong to shoot them?"

I read that earlier, and it cracked me up. Is there someone (a name) I can attribute that to?

Oh, and uh, "lesbians are cool," "be a lesbian," and other such lesbiotic stuff so people stop bitching at me for "spamming" because... I don't know, rods get stuck in dark places sometimes.

Please keep in mind that we are supposed to be positive! I don't think saying "I don't care" is going to improve Oxwana's self-esteem.
But JuNii is only talking about her choice of labeling. The labeling doesn't really affect her decisions. Well, it might, but most people on this thread have said that labeling doesn't matter. And all the support we've given her should raise her self-esteem. To know that people that have never met her have given up time to wish her luck should help boost her confidence.

Fiddlebottoms: "If someone is wearing a novelty shirt that has a bullseye on it, is it really wrong to shoot them?"

I read that earlier, and it cracked me up. Is there someone (a name) I can attribute that to?
I think this counts as spamming, right?

Please keep in mind that we are supposed to be positive! I don't think saying "I don't care" is going to improve Oxwana's self-esteem.
true, but my "Don't Care" means it won't change anything about how I view Oxwana. it won't change my interactions with her. I will still view her as an On-Line friend (even tho we rarely interacted.) Her becoming a Lesbian or not really won't change my opinions or veiwpoints about her. in other words, her choices in Lifestyles won't affect how I will treat her and how I view her and that goes for everyone else.

But JuNii is only talking about her choice of labeling. The labeling doesn't really affect her decisions. Well, it might, but most people on this thread have said that labeling doesn't matter. And all the support we've given her should raise her self-esteem. To know that people that have never met her have given up time to wish her luck should help boost her confidence.and Luck is what I wished for her. Hope it turns out well, what ever the end results are.

No no, my friend... our primitive instincts are NOT to reproduce... not in the slightest. In fact - reproduction is just the beneficial RESULT of what we are instinctively driven to.

If we only had instincts to reproduce, there would be no such things as oral or anal intercourse, or manual stimulation... or a whole world of other sensory experiences.

It's the same as food.... do we crave digestive end products? Or do we crave 'eating'.

Our instincts lead us to a world of stimuli. There is nothing logical about refusing to experience stimuli.
If you want to be technical about, our instincts drive us to have the pleasure associated with sex. However, the purpose of these instincts is reproduction. The reason the human body is designed/evolved to enjoy sex is because otherwise we would not likely reproduce.

Also, stimuli can be good or bad (you wouldn't take crack just to experience stimuli, now would you?), and when our urge for stimuli overpowers our logical faculties, then the stimuli becomes dangerous.

Plus, sex is just disgusting. The filth, the sweat, the fluids, the bodily contact, the hair, the saggy flesh..It's disturbing on many levels.

If you want to be technical about, our instincts drive us to have the pleasure associated with sex. However, the purpose of these instincts is reproduction. The reason the human body is designed/evolved to enjoy sex is because otherwise we would not likely reproduce.


That is not true at all. Pleasure and survival are seperate. It simply happens to kill two birds with one stone when they come at the same time. People wouldn't stop reproducing if it weren't as pleasurable as it is anymore than a bat, or a spider would. They just wouldn't do it for pleasure anymore. We mustn't forget that we are animalia.

If you want to be technical about, our instincts drive us to have the pleasure associated with sex. However, the purpose of these instincts is reproduction. The reason the human body is designed/evolved to enjoy sex is because otherwise we would not likely reproduce.
I see.. I guess that's why highly intelligent lifeforms on this planet are the only ones we have to make "feel good" to get to breed in captivity. Bird (the kind with feathers), fish and that lot, have no qualms about breeding, no matter what the environment.
And I guess that's why I find it immensely satisfying to suck dick, though I'm just below 200cm & 93Kg's worth of male...

What a load of shite.
Also, stimuli can be good or bad (you wouldn't take crack just to experience stimuli, now would you?), and when our urge for stimuli overpowers our logical faculties, then the stimuli becomes dangerous.
You're saying people don't become junkies just because the drugs control them, but rather because they control the drugs?
It begs the question: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON, KID?
Plus, sex is just disgusting. The filth, the sweat, the fluids, the bodily contact, the hair, the saggy flesh..It's disturbing on many levels.
Yea. And eating meat, the grass.chewing, 4 legged, mutant, freak, shit-creature, with a mutant-digestivesystem, and no brains, nor morals, or aspirations, blah blah....

Saggy tits, leather for skin...

And we eat the shitty creature?!

You're insane. Barking mad would be normal compared to you...

Which is exactly why you do the pushing.
The pusher gets to choose the pushee, so I find it hard to believe that the pusher is going to push their "dogfood." If Pamela Anderson and Selma Blair were just standing around in a room with you for some random reason, and you are given the choice of push or wait, then the option to pick is obviously push.
If you wait, Pamela Anderson might become the agressor, and then all hope is lost and your soul will be sent to Hell quick-like laden with every form of STD known to man.

As I said, the "ladder theory" doesn't require everyone to be on the same "ladder", it simply requires that each person have a ladder of some description.
Now, if you wait around, you have no idea which direction the person who comes at you could come from. Yes, you could get Selma Blair, but Pamela Anderson is just as likely to make the attack first. If you move on Selma Blair, then you can dodge Pamela Anderson completely.A few things about your theory.
Sometimes it's nicer to be pushed than to push. We all have our personal preferences, as you said, and I personally like to be a little bit sub and be "pushed".
There are also ways of expressing interst in someone; encouraging them to push you up against a wall, without pushing them up against a wall yourself.
Aside from that, never disrespect Pammy again.

But JuNii is only talking about her choice of labeling. The labeling doesn't really affect her decisions. Well, it might, but most people on this thread have said that labeling doesn't matter. And all the support we've given her should raise her self-esteem. To know that people that have never met her have given up time to wish her luck should help boost her confidence.It has. It does mean a lot to know that there are people pulling for you.
I can't thank y'all enough.

Recap for me....

Has she decided she is lesbo, or bi, or is she just experimienting?

*to lazy to read 32 pages*Well, I think that I best articulated it here:

It's not so much that I need to label myself as that I need to understand what it is that I'm feeling.
When I first became attracted to the girl at school, I was kind of in denial. Like, "she's cute, and I like her hair, and she seems like a nice person... but I don't like girls". It's not that I object to homosexuality, or being gay, but that I've never felt this way before, and my sexual identity has basically been turned on it's head. I have never been attracted to women in the past, even though I was open to the possibility. After a while, I came to the conclusion that I was just really, really straight; only ever attracted to guys. That's how I thought of myself, so these new feelings are confusing.
After I admitted that I was attracted to her, I was in denial that I was actually attracted to her because I might like chicks. While she would make a pretty hot guy, the fact of the matter is that I'm not attracted to guys who look like her, only to girls who look like her...

So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that I do like women, just as much as I like guys, but my "type" of woman is pretty rare. I only know two such women, and I am obsessed with the two. So the kind of guy I like, I come across every day. I have always been attracted to chicks, just not to any of the chicks I knew.
Does that make any sense at all?And it was summed up quite well by Grave_n_Idle here:

What you are, is not 'gay', 'straight' or 'bi'... or any other hard and fast option on a sliding scale. What you are, is 'self-aware', now, in a way you have never been before.That's basically where I am now, but it may still change. Sexuality is a pretty complex thing, and it's really hard to properly explain mine, it seems.

Work was great. Great and then some. I'm seriously on cloud nine.
Lots and lots of flirting, more criptic conversation (I'm more shy now than I've ever been with a guy, and she refuses to make it easy on me). But I got her e-mail! Now we have some connection outside of work, however small.
My girl Em had my back (as always), and steered things in the right direction. My Lolita was kind of cold when I first got to work; she was acting a little weird. But she must have just been tired or in a bad mood (and it seems as though I put her in a good mood. yay) because before long it was a repeat of last Thursday's dreamy shift with her. I'm back tomorrow night for another four hour, so hopefully things will move along a wee bit...
Big dilema, though. Will it be weird if I e-mail her and tell her how I feel, or should I wait to chat with her on MSN? The thing of it is that I checked out her profile, and some other chick featured prominently in all the pics. Every single one. Wouldn't that be tragic? She can't have a girlfriend. She just can't. I refuse to even consider the possibility.
I'm such a head case right now. I seem to have invested a fair bit of emotional capital in this girl without even knowing it. I think that I care about her. She's wonderful, and smart and fun, and beautiful...
Girl crushes are more fun than boy crushes.

Work was great. Great and then some. I'm seriously on cloud nine.
Lots and lots of flirting, more criptic conversation (I'm more shy now than I've ever been with a guy, and she refuses to make it easy on me). But I got her e-mail! Now we have some connection outside of work, however small.
My girl Em had my back (as always), and steered things in the right direction. My Lolita was kind of cold when I first got to work; she was acting a little weird. But she must have just been tired or in a bad mood (and it seems as though I put her in a good mood. yay) because before long it was a repeat of last Thursday's dreamy shift with her. I'm back tomorrow night for another four hour, so hopefully things will move along a wee bit...
Big dilema, though. Will it be weird if I e-mail her and tell her how I feel, or should I wait to chat with her on MSN? The thing of it is that I checked out her profile, and some other hick featured prominently in all the pics. Every single one. Wouldn't that be tragic? She can't have a girlfriend. She just can't. I refuse to even consider the possibility.
I'm such a head case right now. I seem to have invested a fair bit of emotional capital in this girl without even knowing it. I think that I care about her. She's wonderful, and smart and fun, and beautiful...
Girl crushes are more fun than boy crushes.
I think that you should wait to talk to her on msn. I think sending her an e-mail describing how you feel may be coming on too strong.

I think that you should wait to talk to her on msn. I think sending her an e-mail describing how you feel may be coming on too strong.I was thinking that too.
I can't wait to see her tomorrow, though.

When you get the chance to talk with her alone, things should move in one direction or another. If you're talking to her online, then you both are someplace comfortable where you have time to think of responses. Talk to her online, and see the direction your conversations take.

Wow, it's late, I'm going to bed before inarticulation evolves into incoheren...cy...

Best of luck.

Have you solved the problem yet?

A few things about your theory.
Sometimes it's nicer to be pushed than to push. We all have our personal preferences, as you said, and I personally like to be a little bit sub and be "pushed".
If thats your thing, whatever. I was just providing my advice, and now I have to defend it against someone who is misreading the whole thing.
There are also ways of expressing interst in someone; encouraging them to push you up against a wall, without pushing them up against a wall yourself.
If you think the other person is smart enough to catch on that would work. When in doubt, assume the other person is blind to the matter, deaf to clues, ignorant of the facts, and ambivalent anyway.
Aside from that, never disrespect Pammy again.
I'll disrespect which ever whirling tornadoes of surgery and STDs I feel the need to.
(Sorry, but that was the only appropriate response. You left me no choice.)

If you want to be technical about, our instincts drive us to have the pleasure associated with sex. However, the purpose of these instincts is reproduction. The reason the human body is designed/evolved to enjoy sex is because otherwise we would not likely reproduce.

Also, stimuli can be good or bad (you wouldn't take crack just to experience stimuli, now would you?), and when our urge for stimuli overpowers our logical faculties, then the stimuli becomes dangerous.

Plus, sex is just disgusting. The filth, the sweat, the fluids, the bodily contact, the hair, the saggy flesh..It's disturbing on many levels.

Actually... no - our instincts do not drive us to the 'pleasure' associated with sex, they drive us VERY SPECIFICALLY to the acts of sex... the pleasure is just a kind of reward.

You have to bear in mind, we crave sex, even before we KNOW it will be pleasurable... before we have any comparisons, we are ALREADY having sexual urges.

Thus - the pleasure is more the bait for repeat trade, and the baby is the possible end result... but what we came here for, is the sex.

And, sorry my friend, but we didn't 'evolve' sex-drives so we would reproduce... more like those entities that craved reproductive acts, are more likely to generate offspring... thus, we are the PRODUCT of reproductive acts.... our sex drives are not the 'design', they are the product.

Stimuli are ONLY good. It is our appreciation, and the OTHER effects of things, that limit whether we experience them.

Example - pain hurts. Some people like pain. I don't. But, pain IS a good stimulus to experience. However, in my case, it is tempered by knowledge... the same as taking drugs. But - if Crack only had beneficial effects, AND allowed you to experience new stimuli, of COURSE you'd take it.

"Plus, sex is just disgusting. The filth, the sweat, the fluids, the bodily contact, the hair, the saggy flesh..It's disturbing on many levels"... you must be a virgin then, right? The sweat, the fluids, the contact, the hair.... that's what makes it fun.

Work was great. Great and then some. I'm seriously on cloud nine.
Lots and lots of flirting, more criptic conversation (I'm more shy now than I've ever been with a guy, and she refuses to make it easy on me). But I got her e-mail! Now we have some connection outside of work, however small.
My girl Em had my back (as always), and steered things in the right direction. My Lolita was kind of cold when I first got to work; she was acting a little weird. But she must have just been tired or in a bad mood (and it seems as though I put her in a good mood. yay) because before long it was a repeat of last Thursday's dreamy shift with her. I'm back tomorrow night for another four hour, so hopefully things will move along a wee bit...
Big dilema, though. Will it be weird if I e-mail her and tell her how I feel, or should I wait to chat with her on MSN? The thing of it is that I checked out her profile, and some other chick featured prominently in all the pics. Every single one. Wouldn't that be tragic? She can't have a girlfriend. She just can't. I refuse to even consider the possibility.
I'm such a head case right now. I seem to have invested a fair bit of emotional capital in this girl without even knowing it. I think that I care about her. She's wonderful, and smart and fun, and beautiful...
Girl crushes are more fun than boy crushes.

Hmmm... that IS a probem... perhaps she already has a significant other? Of course - if she does, you still have your other friend to fall back on (or forwards on....) until your Lolita becomes available...

Personally, I would say, whether face-to-face, or MSN, or email... that you should ask her on a date. That let's her know you ARE interested, in her specifically, but doesn't put the extra pressure of 'declared feelings' on either of you.

She can always say "Sorry, I'm seeing someone"... in which case she knows you are interested, and you know she is not (yet) available.

Then again... she might say OK.

It's probably the least painful approach.... and the 'risk' is actually pretty much the sme in all cases... i.e. if she DOES have a girl already, she does.. no matter HOW you phrase it.

I'll disrespect which ever whirling tornadoes of surgery and STDs I feel the need to.
(Sorry, but that was the only appropriate response. You left me no choice.)She's also an animal rights activist, a spokesperson for the American and Canadian Liver Foundations, a single mother, and a beautiful, intelligent woman.
She has a grand total of one sexually transmitted disease, and she got it by sharing a tattoo needle. You may think that you're being amusing, but as the daughter of a Hep C sufferer, I don't appreciate it.

She's also an animal rights activist, a spokesperson for the American and Canadian Liver Foundations, a single mother, and a beautiful, intelligent woman.
She has a grand total of one sexually transmitted disease, and she got it by sharing a tattoo needle. You may think that you're being amusing, but as the daughter of a Hep C sufferer, I don't appreciate it.
I'd dispute the "beautiful" part, but I can respect a Liver Foundation spokesperson (at least somewhat) so I'll lay off as per your wishes.
[childish defence] Though Grave started it! [/childish defense]
Good luck on the whole lesbian tryst thing, though.

All!

You just like the way a woman looks.....nothing wrong with that. Right, guys?

Are narcissist (sp?) chicks lesbos?

Are narcissist (sp?) chicks lesbos?

IIRC most (though not all) narcissists are straight...

IIRC most (though not all) narcissists are straight...
You mean... like... the same as with people who aren't? :rolleyes:

You mean... like... the same as with people who aren't? :rolleyes:

*grin* quite probably! I spoke without thinking, a narcissistic trait in itself, eep! :eek:

*grin* quite probably! I spoke without thinking, a narcissistic trait in itself, eep! :eek:
Everyone is a little..... But I think everyone is a little homosexual (or hetero- for all you homosexuals out there) too

So what happened last night?

So what happened last night?Nothing.
I was doing some training (some weird corporate CD training) for just four hours, but the 7-11 shift, so I was happy.
If only the mother fucking computer had worked.:mad:
I left after 30 minutes (none of them Lolita-filled), and I was not happy.
I looked hot last night, too.
It's all good, though because I'm working a full shift tomorrow night with her, and she's working Friday this week. Maybe I'll see her outside of work this weekend too...