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Confirming people...(including the Azores for you, Willink).

I'll update the map tomorrow...

TG hamptonshire, carlo, willink

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12897144 <Factbook thread

Im the Federation of Baltic States

I would like Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia(The caucasus, basically), Iran, and Turkmenistan, if this is alright. I believe that's 12 points, no?

Oh, AB, I assume Corsica is part of my claim?

And Willink, I hate to pick on realism, but I think if we are using nominal your GDP may be too high - correct me if I'm wrong though.

Honako, sell Mirage 2000s to me :D!

I plan on using the Dassault Rafale/Eurofighters etc. more, so that could be arranged. Although I'm always a bit iffy about selling things, I could make exceptions. Though you'd have to be friendly first so I'd know you wouldn't use them against me :p

Hon, TG.

France has no Eurofighters.

Hon, TG.

Replied.

Same.

And again, though in order not to clutter this thread just assume I'm replying to all your messages and check. :p

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458) (Again, sorry if i didnt see it marked)

France has no Eurofighters.

Yes they do; and I doubt you could afford Mirages right now; seriously your economy is currently worse than PLO; sort out your budget in your factbook

what? I could increase my defense budget, and Mirages are cheap, Mexico can afford F-22s!

what? I could increase my defense budget, and Mirages are cheap, Mexico can afford F-22s!


GDP [PPP]: $1.149 trillion
GDP [Nominal]: $840.012 Billion
GDP/c: $10,000
GDP Composition:
agriculture: 3.9%
industry: 25.7%
services: 70.5%

- Snip -

GDP spending:
Defense: 0.7%
Education: 4.9%
Health: 2.6%

Right now your using 8.2% of your GDP Nominal for your spending which comes to $68.8 Ish Billion for your total national budget; out of this your paying out 0.7 for Defence, 4.9 for Education and 2.4% for Healthcare. so out of that 68 Billion your current defence budget is 420 Million USD

what about National Security, or Public Transport or Social Welfare; or Law and Order, or the Enviroment; or Government Admin Pay? plus being a Socialist state your Welfare. Healthcare and Education budgets should be coming out of the chocolate Wizwall like you wouldn't belive. my point is there are things your government isn't paying and its going to have an effect.

no Law and order budget - your people are looting in the streets
no Enviroment Budger - your place is a polluted hell hole
no Admin budget - your government workers are going unpaid.
no welfare budget - your old; sick; disabled etc don't get bugger all

getting the picture?. sure you can buy Mirages or F-22's but you have so many problems in your own country that money might be better spent inproving your own country; thats no better than Hamas buying AK-47s when they could spend that money on food to help the starving. I'm not saying you can't do it go right ahead if someone is willing to sell to you but until you sort out your economy I'll treat you ICly like your in a worse economic state than the PLO or North Korea. Occly I think you need to rework your economy. this is not me being an ass this is me givng you a head up before someone turns your current economy into a club a beats you to death with it in the IC.

Those are simply not included in my Factbook! Gah! The rest of the money are ment to be spent on those things, use your brains! Please your talking senseless garbage here, go to any factbook Defense, Education and Health is what they normally reflect! And you cant spend more than 50% GDp mainy those are meant to deal with your consumer expenses and all that. So if i dont put Consumer products counts 51.7% of my GDP means my entire population is starving? For crying out loud, I can't put all of my spendings on that chart!

Those are simply not included in my Factbook! Gah! The rest of the money are ment to be spent on those things, use your brains! Please your talking senseless garbage here, go to any factbook Defense, Education and Health is what they normally reflect! And you cant spend more than 50% GDp mainy those are meant to deal with your consumer expenses and all that. So if i dont put Consumer products counts 51.7% of my GDP means my entire population is starving? For crying out loud, I can't put all of my spendings on that chart!

Please Stop with the flaming thank you I'm going to make this real simple for you. Economics 101

GDP * Tax Rate = National Budget

This Budget is then split into: -

Defence
Law and Order
Social Walfare/Equality
Healthcare
National Securty
Education
Enviroment
Public Transport
Government Administration
Expense Fund

How you set these is up to you these are the basic things your government has to put money into from its budget. the REST of the GDP not included in this budget is assumed to go into industry, food production; Trade, etc etc etc. and don't forget out of your deence budget; you have to pay your soldiers, train them; and maintain your current forces.

You even forgot to put research cost and did you know that Expense cost can vary? Its inaccurate to give GDP spending on those. Its my factbook, groan and moan all you want, we have diffrent point of views.

You even forgot to put research cost and did you know that Expense cost can vary? Its inaccurate to give GDP spending on those. Its my factbook, groan and moan all you want, we have diffrent point of views.

Expens cost is the general "Slush fund" basically money not really allocated to anything so if something needs money or a little extra it uses that as a bonus *shrugs* your right its your factbook but when people start treating you like the PLO don't be to surprised and if it was any other player pulling this crap you'd be the first on there back about it bitching.

ICly: I will treat you like the PLO.

Go ahead and do what you want to me, see who treats me like the PLO and see how u get thrown around by the bigger Nations once you done so.

Go ahead and do what you want to me, see who treats me like the PLO and see how u get thrown around by the bigger Nations once you done so.

Big words little man; and I don't plan on doing anything to you other than treat you like the insignificant little speck under the heal of the boot that you are

Oh, AB, I assume Corsica is part of my claim?

And Willink, I hate to pick on realism, but I think if we are using nominal your GDP may be too high - correct me if I'm wrong though.

Whoops, wrong math, caught me on it :P

Yes they do; and I doubt you could afford Mirages right now; seriously your economy is currently worse than PLO; sort out your budget in your factbook


Um, no they don't. France withdrawled from the program in 1985 to work on the ACX project, which resulted in the Rafale.

I'm no economics expert, so can someone tell me the difference between nominal GDP (which we're using) and other forms of GDP. If anyone would like to check my math (I got the numbers from the CIA Factbook), my GDP for Syria, Israel, Jordan, and Kuwait is $333.87 billion US Dollars... can someone check that for me?

How's Nambia, Angolia, Zaire, and Zambia sound?

Livingstone I presume, would be the minister of Defense (simply as a parody on names and titles [and because my current MoFA is dead])

I've been also meaning to replace 'Leader Milo' due to his suppressive nature against locals (Just coudn't think of a suitable way to 'off' him openly in any RP)

So if I do start, it would be with the opening stages of a coup or even a full out revolution, after which the only thing I'll make certain of is the swift abscence of Leader Milo.:mp5:

My goal wuldn't be to gain or take land, but just to survive the RP with a nation intact after a near apocoliptic revolution.

I'm no economics expert, so can someone tell me the difference between nominal GDP (which we're using) and other forms of GDP. If anyone would like to check my math (I got the numbers from the CIA Factbook), my GDP for Syria, Israel, Jordan, and Kuwait is $333.87 billion US Dollars... can someone check that for me?

Nominal GDP is simply the value of all goods produced in your nation. PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) takes into account exchange rates and real value of said market to calculate it. The Roleplay I would suppose uses nominal for simplicity's sake. I went over the heritage foundation's 2007 market value of said nations and totaled 363 billion USD.

Nominal GDP is simply the value of all goods produced in your nation. PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) takes into account exchange rates and real value of said market to calculate it. The Roleplay I would suppose uses nominal for simplicity's sake. I went over the heritage foundation's 2007 market value of said nations and totaled 363 billion USD.

Thanks Willink... I think I'll just keep the lower number then, just so no one has anything to complain about, lol. My economic growth rate is almost 6.3% anyways.

My GDP is 710.744 billion.

My GDP is 710.744 billion.

That's crazy!

My Factbook-Please see, very important post! (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475)

Kampf check your teligrams.....

That's crazy!

My Factbook-Please see, very important post! (http://http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475)

not really. Mine is 10 trillion.

did you get ABs TG?

I have Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kaliningrad, and Poland.

It seems I miscalutated my GDP, it's actually 664.28 billion

not really. Mine is 10 trillion.

did you get ABs TG?


*faints* :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

50 billion for me.

Um, no they don't. France withdrawled from the program in 1985 to work on the ACX project, which resulted in the Rafale.

Fair Nuff then; though in many respects the Rafale is the better aircraft :) oh by the way Kampf I edited that message on your factbook

I must say, I'm loving my military this earth...

I must say, I'm loving my military this earth...

quite the same here...

quite the same here...

im in ur america, usin ur f-22 rapters lol

im in ur america, usin ur f-22 rapters lol

lol

Yeah... more than 500 aircraft, thousands of tanks and APCs, over 500,000 troops... so much better than Panama... screw the canal, lol

Plus, add in 10% of the world's oil reserves

Kampf, Teligram

AD, I got K2 Black Panthers already, but I may come looking for your Mk. IV Merkavas...if you're selling. I can offer a very nice sum ;)

Everyone's confirmed (Honako, I'll throw on Corsica to the map...that was me sick of updating last night), updating now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12894812

My Factbook

Hope the IC thread gets up soon AB. Usually these things happen in my sleep (cause I'm in the UK), but I assume the reason it's taking a while is because your doing a big opener or something.

Also, TG for Wanderjar and Drunken Pagan...I can never spell that final word!

The map only shows me with Morocco, Western Sahara, Cape Verde, Yemen, Eriteria, and Djibouti. I also have the Balearic Islands and Sudan.

My factbook is now open. You can now post Diplomatic and Trade Posts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12898314&posted=1#post12898314

Hope the IC thread gets up soon AB. Usually these things happen in my sleep (cause I'm in the UK), but I assume the reason it's taking a while is because your doing a big opener or something.

Also, TG for Wanderjar and Drunken Pagan...I can never spell that final word!

Actually, it's more because I was waiting for the majority of the world was filled up, which is good now, plus me not wanting to do it at midnight....

It'll be up today.

Also, TG for Wanderjar and Drunken Pagan...I can never spell that final word!

Just call me DPW then; seems like everyone else I know on NS has since the beginning of time, so it's fine. :cool: Anyway, replied.

Ok theres something that I think needs to be changed. This is just my opinion. 1 day= 2 weeks is way to long. Rps usualy move at a faster pace than that and with that pace nothing will ever get done. 1 week= 1 year is allot better and more friendly pace, or even AWOPs pace which was 1 day= 1 Month. But what we have here is way to slow.

Ok theres something that I think needs to be changed. This is just my opinion. 1 day= 2 weeks is way to long. Rps usualy move at a faster pace than that and with that pace nothing will ever get done. 1 week= 1 year is allot better and more friendly pace, or even AWOPs pace which was 1 day= 1 Month. But what we have here is way to slow.

We can do 1 day to a month, but 7 days to a year historically goes to fast.

AB, I'll probably be willing to sell... for a decent price, trading rights, alliances/partnerships, etc. Once I finally get my Factbook up, let me know what you want to offer.

Oh, and is it alright if I make all of the tanks in Israel's portion of the army tank all Merkavas? I can't find concrete numbers on hard statistics for teh army anywhere, so I'm planning on just having all one type of tank, APC, etc. Is that alright?

We can do 1 day to a month, but 7 days to a year historically goes to fast.

kk, Sounds good, Ya 1 week to a year is alittle fast, but 1 month to a day is better. Thanks.

Sweet...

And now open for chillin' or otherwise, my factbook:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12898489&posted=1#post12898489

Ok theres something that I think needs to be changed. This is just my opinion. 1 day= 2 weeks is way to long. Rps usualy move at a faster pace than that and with that pace nothing will ever get done. 1 week= 1 year is allot better and more friendly pace, or even AWOPs pace which was 1 day= 1 Month. But what we have here is way to slow.

I like 1 day= 1 month

Starting the IC thread now...it's a 2-parter.

Oh, and is it alright if I make all of the tanks in Israel's portion of the army tank all Merkavas? I can't find concrete numbers on hard statistics for teh army anywhere, so I'm planning on just having all one type of tank, APC, etc. Is that alright?

Can someone let me know if this is alright? Sorry for being impatient, but my factbook is almost done and I'd like to get it posted.

Can someone let me know if this is alright? Sorry for being impatient, but my factbook is almost done and I'd like to get it posted.

Go 'head.

Willink (sorry if I spelt it wrong), you have a TG from me. :)

Willink (sorry if I spelt it wrong), you have a TG from me. :)

Hey Hon; I replied to your message on my factbook and gave you an offer :)

Hey Hon; I replied to your message on my factbook and gave you an offer :)

I know, I'll get round to it at some point :)

Since I haven't gotten around to posting a factbook yet, would it be ok if I dropped East Timor and picked up Brunei instead? I've had a lot more luck finding info for Brunei (by accident) than I have when looking for information on East Timor.

West Pacific: Sure, but I'll update the map later.


IC Thread peeps: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12898637#post12898637

Go 'head.

Nevermind I guess... globalsecurity.org had it hiding all along.

Here's my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533523)

Kampf:

So...we have the Ks Constelation now since you never confirmed if it was ours or not..and if posable I'd like to take those Forrestal Carriers for a fair price and spend the next 8-12 IC months refiting and reactivating them for my fleet

Anim, you can have that old carrier of mine if you still want it. However, I might ask for something in return...I'll TG you about that.

Anim, you can have that old carrier of mine if you still want it. However, I might ask for something in return...I'll TG you about that.

Sure :) TG away that should bring my total up to 6 Carriers if Kampf aproves my order for the Forrestals pluse two HELO carrriers (Minsk and Kiev) that I'm refiting back from theme parks into warships; and the Varyag.

Kampf:

So...we have the Ks Constelation now since you never confirmed if it was ours or not..and if posable I'd like to take those Forrestal Carriers for a fair price and spend the next 8-12 IC months refiting and reactivating them for my fleet

lol, those carriers are complete crap man. No modern weapons systems, not nuke powered. It would take even longer to refit them than that most likely.

Honako, is the EC military binding?

Sent the TG Anim.

And Kampf, it is. Everyone signs mutual defence pacts and agrees to co-operate and assist each other military wise in the development of weapons etc. It'll become clearer once a charter is made. It's like a mix of the EU and NATO, kind of.

lol, those carriers are complete crap man. No modern weapons systems, not nuke powered. It would take even longer to refit them than that most likely.

They're not that bad; and we plan on spending until mid 08 refiting; I've alloted about 800 million EACH from the budget to refiting them for active combat; the Constelation isn't nuke powered either but we're willing to spend the year and half refiting them for active service if your willing to sell 'em to us. besides most of China's stuff is old so they'd fit right in ;)

Edit:
Hon; Got it :)

I would like to claim, if they are all still open, Bosnia (1), Croatia (1), Slovenia (1), Montenegro (1), Macedonia (1), Hungary (3), and Slovakia (3) for a total of 11 points.

Sent the TG Anim.

And Kampf, it is. Everyone signs mutual defence pacts and agrees to co-operate and assist each other military wise in the development of weapons etc. It'll become clearer once a charter is made. It's like a mix of the EU and NATO, kind of.

Your fine for now. I sent you a TG.

They're not that bad; and we plan on spending until mid 08 refiting; I've alloted about 800 million EACH from the budget to refiting them for active combat; the Constelation isn't nuke powered either but we're willing to spend the year and half refiting them for active service if your willing to sell 'em to us. besides most of China's stuff is old so they'd fit right in ;)

Edit:
Hon; Got it :)

OK, whatever, just remember that these are really crapped up. I'm kinda busy at the sec, but I'll get around to replying.

OK, whatever, just remember that these are really crapped up. I'm kinda busy at the sec, but I'll get around to replying.

Noted; and accepted hence why we're spending a year refiting them up to active service I don't plan on them seeing any action until mid 08-begining of 09 ICly which will also give me time to crap out some more J-17A Thunder Dragons. Oh anyone know China's ship building capacity and number of Yards they have?

I want to know how many Births I have left for building Destroyers and Frigates?

Just before I go to bed - all European nations please read, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533584 - The European Community is formed.

Just before I go to bed - all European nations please read, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533584 - The European Community is formed.

Replied to your TG; and I have a counter offer :P

Honako wtf I asked for it first ;_;

I would like to claim, if they are all still open, Bosnia (1), Croatia (1), Slovenia (1), Montenegro (1), Macedonia (1), Hungary (3), and Slovakia (3) for a total of 11 points.
Im not sure if I needed a factbook to be confirmed, or if I should have waited until I was confirmed... but anways... if I screwed up, my apologies.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12899093#post12899093

Oh, right, my Factbook, it's a work in Progress...
book (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533579)

Just wondering what the max military budget, percentage-wise, can be... for the sole reason that I added up all my countries defense budgets, and even with a 40% tax rate, it's still just under 10% of my budget.

(Just as a reference... from what I can find, Israel spends 9.4% of it's government budget on defense, Jordan spends 8.6%, Kuwait spends 4.2%, and Syria spends 5.9%... or 858 million for Syria, 8.7 billion for Israel, 757.5 million for Jordan, and 3.01 billion for Kuwait...)

EDIT: Nevermind... I'll just cut my defense budget down to 7% and be done with it.

Just wondering what the max military budget, percentage-wise, can be... for the sole reason that I added up all my countries defense budgets, and even with a 40% tax rate, it's still just under 10% of my budget.

(Just as a reference... from what I can find, Israel spends 9.4% of it's government budget on defense, Jordan spends 8.6%, Kuwait spends 4.2%, and Syria spends 5.9%... or 858 million for Syria, 8.7 billion for Israel, 757.5 million for Jordan, and 3.01 billion for Kuwait...)

its nit so much the percent of the budget, its the percent of the GDP. I capped that in AWOP at 7%.

its nit so much the percent of the budget, its the percent of the GDP. I capped that in AWOP at 7%.

But it's still possible to go over that, right? You'd just have a shitty North Korea-esque state on your hands if you did that. Not that I care too much, because i'm only spending 2.2% of my GDP on military, but still.

But it's still possible to go over that, right? You'd just have a shitty North Korea-esque state on your hands if you did that. Not that I care too much, because i'm only spending 2.2% of my GDP on military, but still.

yeah then youd just have a really crappy nation and most of your military, while good, would be quelling rebellions on the homefront

Well, at 7% it's only 2.8% of my total GDP, so I think I'm fine.

One reason I believe I can cut back on my military spending a little is because now Israel doesn't have to worry about as many threats, and neither does Syria.

Factbook will be up momentarily.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12899527&posted=1#post12899527) now up and running and open for business.

Oh yeah, and my proper title for this Earth is "The Armed Federation of Ambrose-Douglas", just to let everyone know.

People are confirmed and whatnot...

...and Animarnia, you have a TG...

Christ...I'm gone for three days and there's already 330 posts. I'll throw my factbook up tomorrow, I'm too tired to right now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12899845#post12899845

Beginning of a factbook, more will come tomorrow.

Honako wtf I asked for it first ;_;

Actually, Anim did. Sorry. :(

Again, I hate to pick on realism, but might as well correct it now so someone else doesn't bring it up in the RP. Candistan, if were using nominal as we are, Russia's GDP is $979 billion, Kazakhstan's I don't know, but I think your GDP should be more like $1.1 trillion I'd guess than just over 2.

LoL Honako, what did he ask for? :p

how long would it take to develop a nuclear weapon

how long would it take to develop a nuclear weapon

Probably several years at least, especially without the assistance of someone that does have working nukes (who probably isn't going to be giving up the "secret" anyway). Just my estimate.

Actually, Anim did. Sorry. :(

Again, I hate to pick on realism, but might as well correct it now so someone else doesn't bring it up in the RP. Candistan, if were using nominal as we are, Russia's GDP is $979 billion, Kazakhstan's I don't know, but I think your GDP should be more like $1.1 trillion I'd guess than just over 2.

Sorry, I copied it out of my ESS one last night, so let me get it back to normal. One sec.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533636

w00t. I got tired at the end though.

Anyways, VDB, are you becoming a protectorate of the NPO?

My factbook is updated and open for business.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533636

w00t. I got tired at the end though.

Anyways, VDB, are you becoming a protectorate of the NPO?

Whats the Plural of your name? I always thought "Kampfen"?

Whats the Plural of your name? I always thought "Kampfen"?

i dunno.

Kampfers - name
Kampferian - adj
Kampferians - citizens
Kampfers' - possessive

Depends on the use.

i dunno.

Kampfers - name
Kampferian - adj
Kampferians - citizens
Kampfers' - possessive

Depends on the use.

In your case, you could change it to say "that of Kampfers" or keep it the way it is and say "Kampferians"

Did you get AB's TG? Can I know your answer?

In your case, you could change it to say "that of Kampfers" or keep it the way it is and say "Kampferians"

Did you get AB's TG? Can I know your answer?

Yup and Yup :) though I havn't made anything in the IC yet; and we can just assume that Andrea dosn't know about "Kampferians" since its IC but I'll consider a government note sent to ANN for future broadcast corrections :)

I see how it is...no one wants relations with the super right-wingers, eh? I'll wait...

Sweet man.

Just remember the foreign policy.

1. Shoot first, ask questions later.
2. Speak loudly and carry a big stick.
3. Be! Aggressive! B-E Aggressive!

:D

What happened to take shit from nobody?

Yup and Yup :) though I havn't made anything in the IC yet

Sweet man.

Just remember the foreign policy.

1. Shoot first, ask questions later.
2. Speak loudly and carry a big stick.
3. Be! Aggressive! B-E Aggressive!

:D

I see how it is...no one wants relations with the super right-wingers, eh? I'll wait...

Poke my fact book and we'll talk :) nothing personel; culturally we usualy don't make the first move in relations unless we have something to gain from it so hit me up for an embasy exchange and we'll do that

Poke my fact book and we'll talk :) nothing personel; culturally we usualy don't make the first move in relations unless we have something to gain from it so hit me up for an embasy exchange and we'll do that

Well, yeah, that goes for me too. It doesn't look good ICly for a super outspoken nation like mine to be going around searching for embassies. You'd think the smaller guys would ask me, but whatever. I'll show 'em whats good.

Well, yeah, that goes for me too. It doesn't look good ICly for a super outspoken nation like mine to be going around searching for embassies. You'd think the smaller guys would ask me, but whatever. I'll show 'em whats good.

Nice Idea with the Orbital Rail Gun; though I'd go more with the Ion Cannon style route personally; reusable; and can change from wiping out a single building to a few city blocks in one go...I might actually start one of those when my Economic reforms start taking effect in the IC.

Our foreign policy can be summed up with "Samuel L. Jackson" :D

Our foreign policy can be summed up with "Samuel L. Jackson" :D

*falls over laughing hysterically*

"I'm a mushroom-cloud-laying muthafucka, muthafucka!" thats going in my sig! xD

Our foreign policy can be summed up with "Samuel L. Jackson" :D

"I'm a mushroom-cloud-laying muthafucka, muthafucka!"

Uh-oh. :eek:

Jolt time-warp, much? I though I posted before you, Animarnia. Damn. Ah well.

Da; Time works annoying; :) consider yourself Sigged sir

Jolt time-warp, much? I though I posted before you, Animarnia. Damn. Ah well.

EDIT: GAAAAAH!!! It happened again!
...
Hey, cool, i'm sigged.

Imperial News Network Special Report: Commandante Koslovic Announces The Creation of an Orbital Gun Platform


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/kadangadooo/Helghastlogo.jpg

RUSCHENKO: Hello, glorious citizens, and welcome to another edition of the INN. I'm Valentin Ruschenko. Earlier this morning, in the Commandante's announcement to the people in Sudentor, a new piece of military hardware was announced to show the might of the Republic. Here's a clip of the Commandante's speech.

Screen splits showing The Commandante in Imperial Square during his speech,

KOSLOVIC: The people of the Northern Imperial Republic will no longer be regarded as the weak, feeble ragtag nation they used to be. We have grown stronger in our new lands, its climate changing us both physically and mentally. We have grown physically stronger and more hardy in our icy lands and enlightened by its ferocity. No longer will we suffer the oppression of the Western Flats Dwellers and their treachery, and now, we will show our glorious power by creating an all seeing eye over the skies.

KOSLOVIC: My brothers and sisters of the Republic, today I announce the creation of the Satellite Orbital Linear Gun, or SOLG, to show the Western Flats Dwellers how we have excelled since they expelled us from our rightful homes. No one shall be safe under the skies! The Republic will have vengence, and all of our fallen comrades will be paid for in blood! For a better Republic! For a better Future! Hail The Northern Imperial Republic!

Loud cheers and chants of "Hail the Commandante!" tear across the crowd as the screen switches back to Ruschenko.

RUSCHENKO: Hail the Commandante! Hail the Republic! The Imperial Republic shall shower it's mighty wrath upon the oppressors! For the Commandante!

.:End Transmission:.

Orbital Platforms? What is this a Rail Gun? If it is, you'll be waiting a long time because Rail Guns are post 2020 PMT. If it's a gun like what we have now, then the round will be burnt up in the Atmosphere. If it's Godrods be prepared to spend alot of money for something not very useful. If it's Nukes, well then it won't last long.

Orbital Platforms? What is this a Rail Gun? If it is, you'll be waiting a long time because Rail Guns are post 2020 PMT. If it's a gun like what we have now, then the round will be burnt up in the Atmosphere. If it's Godrods be prepared to spend alot of money for something not very useful. If it's Nukes, well then it won't last long.

Just wait. It isn't a rail gun like in Ace Combat, and it doesn't fire Nukes. You'll see.

Just wait. It isn't a rail gun like in Ace Combat, and it doesn't fire Nukes. You'll see.

Oh we'll see alright.

Oh we'll see alright.

Damn straight.

DP, don't mean to nitpick but how does Brazil have a 200,000,000,000 dollar defense budget when its real life military expenditures are about 9bill?

TG, Kampf.

DP, don't mean to nitpick but how does Brazil have a 200,000,000,000 dollar defense budget when its real life military expenditures are about 9bill?

I think he's playing Brazil in an NK-esq Fashion; so Army spending goes out the Kazoo but admits his country's a crap hole :)

I'll take Australia, Thailand, Maldives and British Indian Ocean Territory. [The last two are those islands chains off India]

'The Sovereign Empire of Australia'

Is there no cap on what you can use for your Defence spending in this RP then, like the 7% cap in AWOP?

Is there no cap on what you can use for your Defence spending in this RP then, like the 7% cap in AWOP?

Yeah; Kampf said 7% of your GDP or your nation starts going the way of North Korea I belive. you can go higher but like in AWOP it has concequences. remember thats 7% of the GDP not 7% of the budget

DP, don't mean to nitpick but how does Brazil have a 200,000,000,000 dollar defense budget when its real life military expenditures are about 9bill?

Note Taxes went up as well as spending on education and social welfare. So in reality my Economy is fine. And I'm proboly going to end up spending less on defense anyways. And plus I have Boliva and Paraguay.

If your throwing around more money.. eh. w/e.

I'm gonna assume that I got the stuff I wanted.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12901465#post12901465 <<< factbook

Honako, nope, no cap, but unless you want your nation to end up slog full of people rebelling left and right and your army taking over your country...

TSS, accepted.

Candistan, if you want an easy way to make SOLG work, you can use a catapult-projected mass driver gun somewhat similar to Halo's Cairo Station's weapon. Doesn't utilize advanced tech-it's actually pretty basic-plus, it'll send the projectile into the atmosphere and let it reach terminal velocity. That's an easy way to do it while you research coilgun technology for the future.

Honako, nope, no cap, but unless you want your nation to end up slog full of people rebelling left and right and your army taking over your country...

TSS, accepted.

Candistan, if you want an easy way to make SOLG work, you can use a catapult-projected mass driver gun somewhat similar to Halo's Cairo Station's weapon. Doesn't utilize advanced tech-it's actually pretty basic-plus, it'll send the projectile into the atmosphere and let it reach terminal velocity. That's an easy way to do it while you research coilgun technology for the future.

That's what the one for AWOP was going to be and what i planned the premise for this one on. The Mass Driver doesn't launch it at railgun speeds. It goes a little bit faster than a rocket would propel it and it used to eliminate course corrections that the rocket thrust would cause. Also, it doesn't shoot godrods or anything of that like. It can fire nukes, but it most likely won't, and I plan on using it to fire off conventional MIRVs and MARVs.

AB, can you go on MSN?

Heading there now ;)

I need Israel, France, Netherlands and Italy to check there factbooks. I have orders placed there.

Whats the Current ES time?

I think I am going to get started on my factbook.

Oh, I can't find any information on how many Type-45 ships Great Britian has. Any help on that?

EDIT: 3/6 have been commisioned, and there is no time table for the other three. I need help on THIS.

LOL so far no one has said anything about Greenland.

I've been watching. Waiting to see what NB will do.

LOL so far no one has said anything about Greenland.

Same with the Arctic Claim. This'll be fun lol.

Here is my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458) for the 4th time.

lời tuyên bố chính thức
(Official Communique)

From: The Commonwealth of OK-Vietnam

We will officially claim a small area of antarctica for a scientific research station

We will also make an official Ancient Claim to Spratly Islands

President
Nguyen Minh TRIET

I wouldn't expect much of an upcry with you Candistan. Many lay claims to bits of the Arctic.

I wouldn't expect much of an upcry with you Candistan. Many lay claims to bits of the Arctic.

What about my leader spewing hate about "The Western Plains Dwellers?" That was sort of aimed at the Western Europeans in General, just to stir a bit of contreversy up :D

What about my leader spewing hate about "The Western Plains Dwellers?" That was sort of aimed at the Western Europeans in General, just to stir a bit of contreversy up :D

We are always on high alert because of Russia, so don't expect much from us.

What about my leader spewing hate about "The Western Plains Dwellers?" That was sort of aimed at the Western Europeans in General, just to stir a bit of contreversy up :D

I couldn't find that remark. And anyway my nation for one is far too diplomatic to start another one of the tiffs like the Socialist vs. Capitalist one we had in AWOP. :p You're more likely to get a backlash for harvesting it's resources, though I doubt the environment is of major concern in this "world".

I couldn't find that remark. And anyway my nation for one is far too diplomatic to start another one of the tiffs like the Socialist vs. Capitalist one we had in AWOP. :p You're more likely to get a backlash for harvesting it's resources, though I doubt the environment is of major concern in this "world".

Weak...I liked our shouting matches.

Oh, and a bump for all remaining European nations to consider if they wish to be part of the European Community. Your eligible Candistan, I'm sure you'd love to be a member :p

Weak...I liked our shouting matches.

Being a strong and brash Socialist like I was didn't make me many friends.

LOL so far no one has said anything about Greenland.

why did you do that?

why did you do that?

Because he's an imperialistic bastard?

Sorry, Kampf, but it's true. ;)

Only ICly, of course. :D

Oh, and a bump for all remaining European nations to consider if they wish to be part of the European Community. Your eligible Candistan, I'm sure you'd love to be a member :p


Lol, Yup. I really don't think they would participate in anything involving "The Oppressors!" any time soon. Thanks though :p

My Factbook is now open for diplomacy, purchases, etc. Information added on diplomatic contacts as well as my nation's space forces.

Because he's an imperialistic bastard?

Sorry, Kampf, but it's true. ;)

Only ICly, of course. :D

who would help me if he attacks?

I still need france, italy and the Netherlands to check there factbooks for orders.

who would help me if he attacks?

I would help you by annexing Denmark.

I would help you by annexing Denmark.

I fail to see how that would help him in the slightest. :p

In all honesty, it would probably fall to the EC to help him if he's unjustly attacked, and Kampfers attacking Greenland is pretty unjust, so...

Oh, and DP, i'm checkin' my factbook now.

New Brittonia: I'll help by attacking you in tandem with Kampfers :D Sure Candistan will too.

Watch out, EC! Don't wanna get NPOwned...

eh NB I'm only after Greenland... Just give it to me, save the troubles.

And is VDB our protectorate?

South East Asian Economic Development Conference

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533653

Beginnings of a factbook...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533695

South East Asian Economic Development Conference

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533653

I'm assuming that's not for solely East Asia nations...

And Kampf: I have no idea.

I'm assuming that's not for solely East Asia nations...

And Kampf: I have no idea.

Will you drop off a formal message in his hood?

If he says no, you know the drill.

I'm assuming that's not for solely East Asia nations...

And Kampf: I have no idea.

Basically just Animarnia and Droskianishk (China and India)

New Brittonia: I'll help by attacking you in tandem with Kampfers :D Sure Candistan will too.

Watch out, EC! Don't wanna get NPOwned...

Damn straight...I need to lighten the loads of some of my Biological stockpiles.

Will you drop off a formal message in his hood?

If he says no, you know the drill.

I'll TG.

Drosk: k.

I'll TG.

Drosk: k.

I meant in his factbook but I suppose a TG is ok...

Basically just Animarnia and Droskianishk (China and India)

So you're leaving out the only two SE Asian nation here (me and Ok-la-ho-ma) and including two nations that are not in Southeast Asia (China and India)?

So you're leaving out the only two SE Asian nation here (me and Ok-la-ho-ma) and including two nations that are not in Southeast Asia (China and India)?


NAFTA leaves out guatamala, nicaragua and several other countries, when you have an economic conference you can name it whatever you want ok? haha. I was looking for something largely on target haha.

Man

Iran's GDP(PPP) is about $670b. GDP(Nominal) is $230b or so.

This sucks :(

Man

Iran's GDP(PPP) is about $670b. GDP(Nominal) is $230b or so.

This sucks :(

Sorry, PPP in the past has led to general bad feelings...so, for simplicity's sake and to hopefully stability's sake, I went with Nominal.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12902760#post12902760)

It's a work in progress. I don't swim in your toilet, please don't post in my factbook.

Sorry, PPP in the past has led to general bad feelings...so, for simplicity's sake and to hopefully stability's sake, I went with Nominal.

PPP is more useful to compare the economies of different nations. By going the nominal route, one is essentially handicapping nations that do not participate heavily in international trade. PPP is a more reliable method to actually gauge the economic strength of a nation than just using nominal GDP figures.

Another map issue:

Current map of the Strait of Gibraltar (http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3740/straitscurrentvp5.png) The map shows that the same person that holds Gibraltar has Ceuta, which is incorrect. The map should be as follows as per agreement with Willink (controller of Spain) (http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2543/straitsshouldbevs6.png).

Another map issue:

Current map of the Strait of Gibraltar (http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3740/straitscurrentvp5.png) The map shows that the same person that holds Gibraltar has Ceuta, which is incorrect. The map should be as follows as per agreement with Willink (controller of Spain) (http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2543/straitsshouldbevs6.png).

Okay, not to sound like an ass, but does one pixel really matter much? Nobody is going to look at the map and be like "OMG! HE DOESN'T OWN THAT!" If the deal is finalized, then RP it as such. No one will badger you over ownership of it. Plus, AB hasn't updated the map in a while which he will do sometime soon.

Okay, not to sound like an ass, but does one pixel really matter much? Nobody is going to look at the map and be like "OMG! HE DOESN'T OWN THAT!" If the deal is finalized, then RP it as such. No one will badger you over ownership of it. Plus, AB hasn't updated the map in a while which he will do sometime soon.

Well, unless things like this are nipped in the bud then there becomes the potential for argument and conflict down the road. If in 1 month I was to decide to do an RP involving Ceuta, the person marked on the map as owning it could object to my use of it. He could say that the fact that he has had it marked on the official map maintained by the mods of the micro-game-in-a-game for a month means that he has a valid claim to it. Since such argument is needless and easily preventable there is no reason not to carefully ensure the map is an accurate representation of gameplay.

And the speed of update has nothing to do with this particular problem. When I was added to the map both spaces were still default grey, then later they changed (to their current improper) color.

who would help me if he attacks?

TG, NB.

Um, I was wondering if i could trade Jamaica and my one point I'm not using for Nicaragua.

It's a work in progress. I don't swim in your toilet, please don't post in my factbook.

Factbooks are meant for posting. Go ahead and post in mine!

Here is my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458) for the 5th time. How many times will I post it before you add it? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458

Here is my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458) for the 5th time. How many times will I post it before you add it? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458

Tell AB when he's on. While you wait though, I might suggest adding more to your factbook than just a big C&P job from the CIA Factbook.

Tell AB when he's on. While you wait though, I might suggest adding more to your factbook than just a big C&P job from the CIA Factbook.

Damn your good.

Donagahee Golf Club and Honako I need you to check your factbooks ASAP.


BTW, AB wut is the current ES time? Augest? November? January? 2009? 2010? Im lost.

Factbooks are meant for posting. Go ahead and post in mine!

I prefer my factbook to be a quick and easy reference manual for myself and other players about my nation, I'll make a general IC thread for all random requests of my government.

Judging by the start date of the RP (the 19th) and the 1 RP month = 1 RL day, it would be June 2007 if you include the 19th, or May 2007 if you don't.

Judging by the start date of the RP (the 19th) and the 1 RP month = 1 RL day, it would be June 2007 if you include the 19th, or May 2007 if you don't.

We'll just go with May if that makes it easier for everyone.

We'll just go with May if that makes it easier for everyone.

No I think June would be right cause the start date still counts.

No I think June would be right cause the start date still counts.

When was the first IC post made? That is the date we should start the calendar.

When was the first IC post made? That is the date we should start the calendar.

True. Ok so its May 2007, AB u need to put that p somewere and change it everyday. Thanks.

June, including the 19th, '07.

Hey, AB, can you update my factbook? I guess you can get BHR's too lol.

This has probably already been brought up, and if this is the case I apologize for not looking through the last 29 pages for the post... but most nations have been colored in black (or a very dark color)... giving the impression that Europe is owned by one player. Anyways, im sorry if im just beating a dead horse.

You sure that we're looking at the same map here? The player map (which is used to indicate who owns what, as opposed to the numbers map, which isn't) has lots of different colors on it. Unless you're just talking about Russia/Kazakhstan, which is in black and is owned by one player.

Not just Russia/Khaz. Russia/Khaz is black (1 player). Ukraine/Eastern Europe is black (1 player). Greece, Turkey is black (1 player). France is black (1 player). Italy is black (1 player). Spain/portugal is black (1 player). Thats like six different players on one continent with the same color. Of course this is all assuming my computer isn't color blind...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12904548#post12904548

My Factbook, a little incomplete as we arrived at five this morning and I'm a little tired, but equipment and economics will be in soon.

How did you get M-95 Degmans? Im pretty sure on Croatia... and maybe Kuwait have any.

Ukraine area (Granate's) is blue-gray. France is dark blue. Spain is dark green. Italy is olive green. Turkey is medium green.

Russia, however, is indeed black.

Try adjusting your gamma correction...

okay i'm in the 0-100 posts band does that mean i can only claim say... greece?

or macedonia

the azores islands?

Azores islands?

Greece's already been claimed.

i guess i must of, sorry...

All of Europe has been claimed, including the island chains. Except Malta.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533753)

Oh, and Datium how were you able to post in my FB before I even posted it up?

could i claim the bahamas please?

Kampf TG

Wow, Sub-Saharan Africa is pretty quiet...

Bahamas, sure.

Donagahee Golf Club and Honako I need you to check your factbooks ASAP.


BTW, AB wut is the current ES time? Augest? November? January? 2009? 2010? Im lost.

Sorry about that, but I've done it now. I've answered most people, got one more to do. I had them nearly finished earlier, but felt sick so wasn't really up to posting.

How did you get M-95 Degmans? I'm pretty sure on Croatia... and maybe Kuwait have any.

I must be confusing the rules on military tech and Suspension of disbelief thing, perhaps read one that overshadows another. Ah yes found the bit, though I think the part on following the military of our given countries does not help it along. That only makes it closer to breaking the recent MODs rules, I think anything we can support and want should be what we have in regards to military and would be far more inline with the ruling in such a state.

Just to clarify does Suspense of Disbelief ever come into play into the matter of military? In which case Kroando is quite correct and in the instance I'll be Rping their purchase anyway.

I was under the impression the Suspension of Disbelief was only refering to the actual populous of each nation, to make everyone a bit more unique. IE, if my people have six fingers, but only four toes. (Not really sure how that would help... but anyways...) I think that the rule on the military is that you take the RL equipment that your nation(s) possess, and group it altogether. I may be incorrect, but thats what I got out of the first page. If that would be the case, youd have to buy them from Croatia... cough... me. [This wasn't all a big plot to make money... I am legitimately curious about the rule.]

I was under the impression the Suspension of Disbelief was only refering to the actual populous of each nation, to make everyone a bit more unique. IE, if my people have six fingers, but only four toes. (Not really sure how that would help... but anyways...) I think that the rule on the military is that you take the RL equipment that your nation(s) possess, and group it altogether. I may be incorrect, but thats what I got out of the first page. If that would be the case, youd have to buy them from Croatia... cough... me. [This wasn't all a big plot to make money... I am legitimately curious about the rule.]

I think we have some Leeyay with numbers; espcially when hard numbers arn't avalable and I think were allowed to swap out older stuff for newer stuff but only stuff that nations has to make it more uniform like Nepal and Bhurtan all use Chinese stuff for me to ease the logistics nightmare though I'm ICly selling off a boat load of stuff to build newer Chinese Stuff

I think we have some Leeyay with numbers; espcially when hard numbers arn't avalable and I think were allowed to swap out older stuff for newer stuff but only stuff that nations has to make it more uniform like Nepal and Bhurtan all use Chinese stuff for me to ease the logistics nightmare though I'm ICly selling off a boat load of stuff to build newer Chinese Stuff

If you do swap older stuff for newer stuff, the issue is that you have to match value, like ESS preached.

As for Suspension of Disbelief, you bet it can effect military. However, it still must either be a non-consequence or have a downside/weakness as well. So, if you have a super-race minority of advanced humans, ok, but they have to have a downside to them as well. Not neccessarily military downside, but some type of downside.

If you do swap older stuff for newer stuff, the issue is that you have to match value, like ESS preached.

As for Suspension of Disbelief, you bet it can effect military. However, it still must either be a non-consequence or have a downside/weakness as well. So, if you have a super-race minority of advanced humans, ok, but they have to have a downside to them as well. Not neccessarily military downside, but some type of downside.

Yup; which is why I'm sticking with China's stuff as is when I started :) but I'm going to ICly sell of a lot of the old stuff to fund production of the new stuff into full swing...at the moment I'm waiting on Kampf to reply to my TG cos I'm feeling a little screwed over OOCly at the moment

Anyone want to start the United Nations or should I?

Go ahead

I did. The United Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12906892#post12906892)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12906892#post12906892

Hey, I would like to claim a small part of Antarctica for a research station.

And is my deal-Jamaica and my free point for Nicaragua approved?

So, we can get richer by making discoveries on Antarctica! Please, I really want it.

Your country is too poor to do research there...

My factbook-Under Construction-Please see! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475)

OK, since NB has not responded to my Greenland claim I am going to bomb it.

This will save me from having to deal with the EC, as if I do it now, fluid timish he won't be in it.

Kampf-look at your FB

Your country is too poor to do research there...

So is yours :P

Kampf-look at your FB

Damn! Now I can't bomb you! ;)

Cool.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533636

Someone needs to RP Deigo Garcia (now), Ascencion Island (coming), and Guam (coming).

And Brittonia needs to RP the damage I just inflicted on Greenland.

Someone needs to RP Deigo Garcia

Maybe-where is it?

Damn! Now I can't bomb you!

What i thought. ;)

Actually I can't rp right now because I can't use the computer till tomorrow so yah.

Oh, VDB, candistan is in the NPO, not Carloginias.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533636

Someone needs to RP Deigo Garcia (now), Ascencion Island (coming), and Guam (coming).

And Brittonia needs to RP the damage I just inflicted on Greenland.

I can Do Garcia if you want? and TG

I can Do Garcia if you want? and TG

Ok, that'd be nice. I'm working up a reply for the TG.

Ok, that'd be nice. I'm working up a reply for the TG.

Replied;

and replied as Garcia too.

And is my deal-Jamaica and my free point for Nicaragua approved?

As none of the mods have responded to your request I can only guess they follow the general rules of earths, at least ones I've been in - once you make a factbook that states your claims, those claims are kind of "set in stone". This may not be the case however, as I'm not a mod here.

Where did you make the post about bombing Greenland, Kampf?

Someone needs to RP Deigo Garcia

What's there to RP? It's an uninhabited chain of islands in the Indian Ocean.

What's there to RP? It's an uninhabited chain of islands in the Indian Ocean.

its a US/UK Air/Navy Base at Sampsons Point.

That's mostly because I didn't see it-I updated it, VDB.

BHR, expect the three NPO guys not to get involved in the UN...we don't like world peace :D

I'll RP stuff if people need me to, but I'll need someone to RP North Korea coming up soon...

As none of the mods have responded to your request I can only guess they follow the general rules of earths, at least ones I've been in - once you make a factbook that states your claims, those claims are kind of "set in stone". This may not be the case however, as I'm not a mod here.

Where did you make the post about bombing Greenland, Kampf?

Same thread as all my other attacks. "Fueling the fires"

That's mostly because I didn't see it-I updated it, VDB.

BHR, expect the three NPO guys not to get involved in the UN...we don't like world peace :D

I'll RP stuff if people need me to, but I'll need someone to RP North Korea coming up soon...

Oooh Can I invade NK from the north while you do the south?

Same thread as all my other attacks. "Fueling the fires"

And technically you don't "know" it is me, but you can have a pretty certain guess, considering my claim to the place and the fact that not many others could pull an attack like that.

Oh, and AB, I'm going to get involved in the UN if it is like the RL UN where if one person on the Security council vetoes it, then it is vetoed for good. Cuz I'll be on the security council, and I'll just veto anthing we dont like...

heh heh

I have a question. What's the rule about selling off military equipment that has been (in RL) destroyed? If it's acceptable than I would like to buy the Tirpitz and Bismark.

Trinidad needs to be colored in my color.

Trinidad needs to be colored in my color.

Why? You just claimed it as your nation. You didn't rp it. You can claim it, sure, but until you contact their government or you take them over by force, they aren't yours.

AB, plz get on MSN.

Animarnia, you have msn?

If it doesn't technically exist when the RP started RL, than it doesn't exist. Kinda hard to bring back the Bismark...

Animarnia: Sure, I need some help, though I was going to offer a two-fer, with you and me teaming up on Taiwan and NK both, with me getting the latter and you getting the former (which would make geographical sense).

DP: The inhabitants of T&T haven't said anything yet, someone needs to RP them...

If it doesn't technically exist when the RP started RL, than it doesn't exist. Kinda hard to bring back the Bismark...

Animarnia: Sure, I need some help, though I was going to offer a two-fer, with you and me teaming up on Taiwan and NK both, with me getting the latter and you getting the former (which would make geographical sense).

DP: The inhabitants of T&T haven't said anything yet, someone needs to RP them...

Good point, sry got ahead of myself. I'll have an RP for it shortly.

If it doesn't technically exist when the RP started RL, than it doesn't exist. Kinda hard to bring back the Bismark...

Well then, we have a problem, Kampfers sold some military equipment to the Silver Sky that has been destroyed in RL. The USS/IANS Belleau Wood, a Tarawa-Class amphibious assault ship what was destroyed as a target during wargames in 2006.

Well, then TSS just got badly ripped off and should look for a refund...

Animarnia: Sure, I need some help, though I was going to offer a two-fer, with you and me teaming up on Taiwan and NK both, with me getting the latter and you getting the former (which would make geographical sense).


Sounds good

Sounds good

Sweetness, I'll be massing forces soon enough to make the first push...

That's mostly because I didn't see it-I updated it, VDB.

BHR, expect the three NPO guys not to get involved in the UN...we don't like world peace :D

I'll RP stuff if people need me to, but I'll need someone to RP North Korea coming up soon...

Are you kidding!? We should totally join the UN and make a big ruckus!

Annex of T&T

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12907439#post12907439

Annex of T&T

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12907439#post12907439

I think i'll have a go at Trinidad, post up in a couple of minutes.

I think i'll have a go at Trinidad, post up in a couple of minutes.

So you'll play resistance?

Kampf Check ur factbook....

PPP is more useful to compare the economies of different nations. By going the nominal route, one is essentially handicapping nations that do not participate heavily in international trade. PPP is a more reliable method to actually gauge the economic strength of a nation than just using nominal GDP figures.

Brining Hamp's post up again so we can continue the discussion started a few pages back.

Ok wtf is with everyone attacking me about 2 little islands. Chill people. I'm just taking them over. Not like I'm going to kill them all. And plus Kampf you and me have a NAP. Candistan what have I done to you? I've bought stuff from you, improved your economy. Chill people. This is unrealistic.

Ok wtf is with everyone attacking me about 2 little islands. Chill people. I'm just taking them over. Not like I'm going to kill them all. And plus Kampf you and me have a NAP. Candistan what have I done to you? I've bought stuff from you, improved your economy. Chill people. This is unrealistic.

Actually they are being very realistic. You have invaded an Island in the Caribbean, an area which the US, Kampfers, beleives to be within its Sphere of influence. Thus it looks at move made into the region as one hostile to itself. The world also doesn't look very nicely at imperialists of any kind. Also might I remind everyone that it is not unrealistic for nations to rise up and defend the defenseless, look at Desert Storm for example.

And Dwelf, just because you have a NAP does not mean he can't make moves against you. It means he just can't attack you unless he wants to break that pact. He can marshall his forces all he wants, aslong as he doesn't attack you he is not in breach of the Pact.

Actually they are being very realistic. You have invaded an Island in the Caribbean, an area which the US, Kampfers, beleives to be within its Sphere of influence. Thus it looks at move made into the region as one hostile to itself. The world also doesn't look very nicely at imperialists of any kind. Also might I remind everyone that it is not unrealistic for nations to rise up and defend the defenseless, look at Desert Storm for example.

And Dwelf, just because you have a NAP does not mean he can't make moves against you. It means he just can't attack you unless he wants to break that pact. He can marshall his forces all he wants, aslong as he doesn't attack you he is not in breach of the Pact.

I have nothing agaisnt these people. Its not like I'm going to attack him i have a NAP, and he can't attack me. Because we have a NAP.