NationStates Jolt Archive

Earth: Survival


IC Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533571

The Current Time Is: February '08

Earth Commissioner: Amazonian Beasts
Earth Vice-Mod: Candistan
Earth NPC Mod: Carloginias
Earth OOC Mod: Kampfers


Welcome to the latest in the series of Earths, prospective RPers, an MT Earth based around NS ideology and nations.

This is my third Earth created, so hopefully the third time is the charm here-I've been in 6 Earths total, so I think for the most part I've got this down to a tee. I've combined the best parts that I feel made Earth of Suspension and Succession, A World of Promise, Earth: Final Judgment, and SYAE into this world to make it the best possible experience.


The Layout of Earth Survival:

Suspension of Disbelief: ES will utilize the Suspension of Disbelief model that Wagdog originally developed back in ESS. This means that out of the box elements-such as incorporating a fantasy race as a minority into your population, or having a genetic code in certain individuals to give certain abilities, otherwise looked down upon on realism-stressed Earths, is accepted here. However, in order not to give possible innate advantages, Suspension articles must either have an equal or greater disadvantage to them, if they have advantages.
Or, you can simply ignore the Suspension for your nation and go about with a realistic approach.


OOC Moderation: Since OOC has been a killer recently, the OOC moderation for Earth: Survival will be somewhat different from the last Earths. Rather than simply allow full-open free OOC discussion, instigating a flame-fest will be unacceptable. Such instigation, or direct OOC flaming itself, will be judged on a three-strikes policy-each time one does it, player or mod, he/she will be given a warning at first, and than a strike if they ignore the warning. Accumulate three such strikes, and you will be booted from this Earth-no exceptions! This Earth will not be killed by OOC behavior. It will take a unanimous decision from the three OOC mods to call a strike.


IC Moderation: Questionable IC technology, reasearch, or otherwise will be, if drawing considerable speculation by members will be open to a judgment on if the technology is ok'ed for IC play or not. If not, the user will be asked to remove such IC move and reimburse his own money to himself. Debate will be allowed, but if no compromise can be met between the players, than the arbitration by the mods will stand as final. It will take a unanimous decision from the mods to remove the technology.


How'd you get the "ES" name? Candistan from MSN honestly, but Earth Survival approaches the IC world as well. You'll need to do what you can to survive in the world with superpowers, greedy leaders, and the thoughts of each player to maximize your chance of emerging as a superpower.


NS in ES: As per Earths, NS will be very much in ES. Your nation name will be your NS nation name that you RP in PMT/MT (if you don't do that, it will be your chosen name unless you get special permission). In addition, your history, characters, leaders, gov't style, ethniticites, religions, etc., will be that of your NS nation.
A note on NS Tech: If you decide to use NS tech, that's ok: However, you must develop NS tech over the RP, and do keep in mind that it's designed for nations with much higher budgets and, for the most part, many more people.


RL in ES: Real life factors will be kept somewhat short in ES, but we've got to have a few for balance (and lack thereof). The guiding factors from RL to apply: the combined totals of your claimed nations' GDPs (Nominal), Land Area, Population, Military, and rough Technology. As for militaries-the tech level (though the starting year is July '07), will be set at 2012, so if your equipment piece that yu so badly want is coming out into production by 2012 or earlier-ie, the USS Zumwalt-you are allowed to deploy it ICly. If it's after 2012, develop it accordingly.


Time in ES: For standard operations and play, the timing scale in ES will be one real life day equaling out to one ES month. In RPs, please follow the general guidelines of fluid time so that operations run smoothly. In rare occasions-like in global war, or entire Earth-consuming events-the entire scale of ES will be sent to fluid time. There will be notification when this occurs.


Activity: As all Earths rely on activity for survival, so must ES. We especially need the big nations to be active for this Earth. Pre-approved inactivity passed by the mods will be accepted, but non-notified inactivity will only stand for 10 days. After 10 days, such nation will be voided and open for claim-the original owner can claim the nation back, but if he/she is inactive for the period again without notice, he/she will not be able to claim the nation again without a decent excuse.


Claiming Nations: Using the successful model from AWOP, a points-from-posts system will be used again. The classification for points are as follows:

0-100 posts= 1 point
101-200 posts= 2 points
201-300 posts= 3 points
301-400 posts= 4 points
401-500 posts= 5 points
501-600 posts= 6 points
601-700 posts= 7 points
701-800 posts= 8 points
801-900 posts= 9 points
901-1000 posts= 10 points
1001-1250 posts= 11 points
1251-1500 posts= 12 points


Here is the map representing how much each country is worth. I apologize for the quality of the map ahead of time; if you have a question about a country, feel free to ask:

(Per Moderation Request, the map is linked):

http://usera.imagecave.com/WR82/NumberMap.PNG
The Numbers Map (http://usera.imagecave.com/WR82/NumberMap.PNG)


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/ES.jpg
Player Map (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w300/williamsfilms/ES.jpg)



The Players:


The Imperial Dominion of Amazonian Beasts: Japan, South Korea
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12897042#post12897042)

The Neo-Prussian Parliamentary Republic of Kampfers: USA, Cuba, Ascension, Greenland
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533384)

The Northern Imperial Republic (Candistan): Russia, Kazakhstan
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533607)

Carloginias: United Kingdom, Ireland, Gibralter, Canary Islands

Wanderjar: Germany, Austria, Lichtenstein, Switzerland

The Republican Monarchy of Granate: Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533344)

New Brittonia: Greenland, Denmark, Iceland, Shetland Islands, Faroe Islands, Jan Mayen, Svalbard

Drunken Pagan Weirdos: Netherlands, Luxembourg
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533414)

The Kingdom of Animarnia: China, Nepal, Bhutan
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533419)

Corbournne: Pakistan
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533695)

Droskianishk: India
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533400)

Incursus: United Arab Emirates, Qatar

Kansiov: Mexico
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533409)

Vanuk Drury Brierers: Panama, Nicaragua, Costa Rica
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475)

Lachenburg: South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Swaziland
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533416)

Marxikhan: Libya, Egypt

Bull Horns Rule: Madagascar
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533458)

Ok-La-Ho-Ma: Vietnam
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533424)

H-Town Tejas: Colombia, Venezuela

Ambrose-Douglas: Israel, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12899527&posted=1#post12899527)

Jaredcohinia: Sweden, Finland, Norway
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533426)

Waldenburg 2: Turkey, Greece, Albania
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....8#post12904548)

Donagahee Golf Club: Italy
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533496)

West Pacific: Indonesia, Brunei, Philippines

Route 1: Saudi Arabia, Oman, Iraq

Dweladelfia Prime: Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533494)

Franberry: Argentina, Chile, Uruguay

Willink: Spain, Portugal, Ethiopia, Kenya, Azores
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12897144)

The Franco Confederation (Honako): Singapore, France, Belgium, Andorra
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533500)

Hamptonshire: Morocco, Djibouti, Eriteria, Yemen, Balearic Islands, Sudan, Western Sahara, Cape Verde

The Federation of Baltic States: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kaliningra, Poland

Chellis: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Iran, Turkmenistan

PROHT: Nambia, Angolia, Zaire, Zambia
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533579)

Kroando: Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Hungary, Slovakia
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12899093#post12899093)

The Silver Sky: Australia, Thailand, Maldives, British Indian Ocean Territory
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533657)

Datium: Bahamas

Republic of Canadstein: Canada
Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534099)

Futuris Algeria, Tunisia, Malta

Jeuna: Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Republic of the Congo

Just so you don't have to check TGs, I kept Britian.

AB! I'm hurt that you don't remember that I'm in as well. *Pouts*


Anyway, I'd claimed Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Lichtenstein.

Just so you don't have to check TGs, I kept Britian.

Sweetness, adding.

Hola, it's Kampfers, the OOC mod. What this essentially means for you, the player is that if you start flaming or instigating flamefests, I will warn you. Should you do it again, it counts as a strike. It's just like baseball, three strikes and your out. Do not complain to me about IC matters. While I have some say in them, it is not my field and I will choose to ignore claims made to me specifically. And last, but not least, don't flame at a mod. Any of them. This may warrant you a more severe punishment, such as the skip of a warning, than normal flaming. Play hard, but have fun.

Your OOC moderator,
Kampfers

PS: Have fun trying to beat the New Pacific Order!

Ty, and may I offer a suggestion? For initial claims the adding everything together is cool and all, but realistically if someone tries to annex a Third-World country when said nation has a say First World country. Woulden't there be economic repercussions against the First Worlder for annexing a third world?

I would like to lay claim to The Ukraine, Belerus, Moldova, Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania.

Ty, and may I offer a suggestion? For initial claims the adding everything together is cool and all, but realistically if someone tries to annex a Third-World country when said nation has a say First World country. Woulden't there be economic repercussions against the First Worlder for annexing a third world?

It's not really annexing, but more joining forces. Obviously, if you have a third world and a first world, your overall is going to be greater but spread over more people-therefore, your Per Capita going down, your living standard going down, your people not as in good a shape. Ends justify the means.

Sorry bout that Wanderjar, I told Kamp your claim than forgot :P

Alright. Thats what I meant.

I would like to lay claim to The Ukraine, Belerus, Moldova, Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania.

Map update coming in a sec, you're in.

Hey, technically my 4th earth. . . Earth 1850, 1650, AWOP, and this. . . even though 1850 and 1650 died and i got bored with AWOP. . .

oh, Dennmark and Greenland

Hey, technically my 4th earth. . . Earth 1850, 1650, AWOP, and this. . . even though 1850 and 1650 died and i got bored with AWOP. . .

oh, Dennmark and Greenland

Confirmed, on the way.

Confirmed, on the way.

ooc- it seems that i have over 700 posts. . . can I make an addition?

Why does Greenland cost 3 points? There's like 10,000 people total there and it's barren. Nothing but ice.

ooc- it seems that i have over 700 posts. . . can I make an addition?

Sure thing.

Sure thing.

iceland.

okay, greenland and iceland should be switched.

And why did i put ooc down?

iceland.

okay, greenland and iceland should be switched.

And why did i put ooc down?

Wait, so Greenland rahter than Iceland or Iceland rather than Greenland?

Why does Greenland cost 3 points? There's like 10,000 people total there and it's barren. Nothing but ice.

Candistan suggesting it via MSN, so I did. Let's call it 1, and NB can take both it and Iceland.

Candistan suggesting it via MSN, so I did. Let's call it 1, and NB can take both it and Iceland.

AB, I maant the points for Greenland and Iceland.

1 is better because it is a barren wasteland.

Sign me up for the Netherlands: finally, my drug-addicted nation is located in the drug capital of the world! Sucks that I can't claim more, but there ya go. The name, of course, is still the Socialist Federation of Drunken Pagan Weirdos. (I don't feel like switching away from my usual "peacenik democracy" model just yet.)

EDIT: And i'm one post away from getting another point... ah, well.

DPW: it's just ensuring that big nations can be controlled by players who we know are active (even though you've been in a bunch of these...)

confirmed, and NB, adding Iceland.

Hey, i'm not complaining, i'm just lamenting the fact that i'm so close to 201... like I said, ah, well.

Oh, and it's "Weirdos", not "Wierdos". Just a heads-up. Technically it oughta be "weirdoes", but I just think that the way I spelled it looks nicer.

EDIT: I tell ya what, how about a big, big favor: how about we just pretend like I have 201 posts and I get another territory worth 1 point? If no, that's cool, but I just figured i'd ask, seeing as how i'm only one post way anyways.

DPW: it's just ensuring that big nations can be controlled by players who we know are active (even though you've been in a bunch of these...)

confirmed, and NB, adding Iceland.

Can I get the Shetland Islands, Faroe Islands, Jan Mayen, and Svalbard and then lets all assume that this now takes care of all 8 points I've got?

Hey, i'm not complaining, i'm just lamenting the fact that i'm so close to 201... like I said, ah, well.

Oh, and it's "Weirdos", not "Wierdos". Just a heads-up. Technically it oughta be "weirdoes", but I just think that the way I spelled it looks nicer.

That always throws me off when I search your nation :p

Can I get the Shetland Islands, Faroe Islands, Jan Mayen, and Svalbard and then lets all assume that this now takes care of all 8 points I've got?

Wait, so you want to couple those with greenland and Denmark, or Iceland and Denmark?

Wait, so you want to couple those with greenland and Denmark, or Iceland and Denmark?

huh? I thought I got Greenland, Iceland, and Denmark, but since I had more points, I decided to get those other islands.

I tell ya what, how about a big, big favor: how about we just pretend like I have 201 posts and I get another territory worth 1 point? If no, that's cool, but I just figured i'd ask, seeing as how i'm only one post way anyways.

Quotin' it to make sure that it doesn't get buried, because i'm off to bed pretty soon and kinda want a judgment on that. Like I said, if no, that's okay.

Oh, wait a tick, that makes 201 posts right there! Oh, snap! :p

huh? I thought I got Greenland, Iceland, and Denmark, but since I had more points, I decided to get those other islands.

Alright, adding now...

Quotin' it to make sure that it doesn't get buried, because i'm off to bed pretty soon and kinda want a judgment on that. Like I said, if no, that's okay.

Oh, wait a tick, that makes 201 posts right there! Oh, snap! :p

What would you like? ;)

Alright, adding now...

OK, this is for the record

NB- 8 points.

Dennmark- 3 points

Iceland- 2 points

Greenland- 1 point

Shetland Islands, Faroe Islands, Jan Mayen, and Svalbard- Combined value: 2 points (Note: I just made that up so I can get rid of all 8 points, they're just little islands in the North Atlantic anyways.)

Map for reference- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Norwegian_Sea_map.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Norwegian_Sea_map.png

What would you like? ;)

Sweet. I'm tempted to go for Laos as a colony or something, but it might be better to pick something closer to home... so let's go with Luxembourg. Now all I have to do is *ahem* persuade Belgium to join up ICly, and we've got a unified Benelux going on here. Oh, I like that. *evil plotting*

I have a question. Since I control the UK, does that also mean I control the various overseas territories that the present-day country holds?

I have a question. Since I control the UK, does that also mean I control the various overseas territories that the present-day country holds?

Unless they are directly related into your nation (ie, Hawaii), you don't get 'em (ie, the USA doesn't get Guam or Puerto Rico).

DPW: Updated on the board, I'll do the map tomorrow...

Sweet. I'm tempted to go for Laos as a colony or something, but it might be better to pick something closer to home... so let's go with Luxembourg. Now all I have to do is *ahem* persuade Belgium to join up ICly, and we've got a unified Benelux going on here. Oh, I like that. *evil plotting*

Is Belgium taken? If not, you can have a nice DeNeLux.

Is Belgium taken? If not, you can have a nice DeNeLux.

Join with Denmark? NEVAAAARRR!!!11!!1

Hell, i'd have claimed Belgium if I had two more points. Which I don't. So the only solution is IC expansion, which i'll have to pursue peacefully because my nation is comprised of hippie nutjobs and the like that won't tolerate war. Of course, I could always rouse up the Drunken Pagan Metalheads for a viking-like, church-burning invasion... *more evil plotting*

Of course, this is all just conjecture, mind you. It wouldn't be right to begin planning expansion before the IC thread is even up, ya know?

India please

Join with Denmark? NEVAAAARRR!!!11!!1

Hell, i'd have claimed Belgium if I had two more points. Which I don't. So the only solution is IC expansion, which i'll have to pursue peacefully because my nation is comprised of hippie nutjobs and the like that won't tolerate war. Of course, I could always rouse up the Drunken Pagan Metalheads for a viking-like, church-burning invasion... *more evil plotting*

Of course, this is all just conjecture, mind you. It wouldn't be right to begin planning expansion before the IC thread is even up, ya know?

heh heh. Whoops. Heh heh. *returns to evil plotting*

Can I have India, Bangladesh and Napal please?

Also is the military as strict as in AWOP or we allowed a little Le-way? for example smaller troop numbers for better training etc and swapping out the older Soviet Tanks for the Arjun and T-90S? nothing Inida dosn't have Access to but just to ease the complete Logicstical Nightmare and make the military more Uniform.

EDIT:
Since Drosk got india before me; China; Napal, Bhutan please..and anyone know where I can find information on China's Military? with decent numbers since its said they spend 3 times what they say they do and the same applies can I swap out the older stuff for the newer and just say they had a mass "Modernaisation" getting rid of there old crap or will I have to do that IC?

I'd like the UAE.

Singapore Please, Malaysia too :D

Hope this Earth will not die, like th previous ones. We want realism! :)

I'd like the UAE. My accounts have over 100 posts when combined, can I claim 2 points?

Hopefully this and my other account will be good for Pakistan.

And here it is.

I guess i will go with the netherland, i didnt have enought points in AWOP but now i do yayayay

I'll take Panama, Jamaica, and the Cayman Islands.

I guess i will go with the netherland, i didnt have enought points in AWOP but now i do yayayay

Already claimed...

what about me Kampfers?

what about me Kampfers?

I don't confirm claims. Not my duty. I just figured I'd help him out...

I don't confirm claims. Not my duty. I just figured I'd help him out...

Oh, okay sorry.

Hello again, everyone. Before I make my claim, I would first like to apologize for my decline in activity on AWOP. I was unfortunately side-lined by some other priorities and was thus forced to relegate my RP time more wisely.

With that out of the way, I'd like to claim South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lethoso, and Swaziland, if possible.

Thanks.

cuba then

cuba then

Claimed too.

please read the other claims before claiming your own nation...

Yay i found 1 Panama

Erm, I think Panama was claimed earlier on up there. It hasn't been confirmed, though. *cough*

Im baaaaack! and im in

Can i take Libya and Egypt? PLease?

Oh i just relized im 5 posts short of that, let me make some more really quick

Eh i might take china insted,,,

Im going to take China and(as soon as i finish my last few posts)Laos

Amazon, Singapore and Malaysia please :)

Posts Confirmed, and Incursus, yeah, go ahead and take one more point

Marx: You can do Libya and Egypt, but Animarnia already took China (them evil Chinamen...)

Ok thanks, in that case I'll take the UAE and Qatar.

Posts Confirmed, and Incursus, yeah, go ahead and take one more point

Marx: You can do Libya and Egypt, but Animarnia already took China (them evil Chinamen...)

/cry...Ok that will work,*no one currently in my way in africa or the middle east*

Well Amazon looks like our war is delayed again.

Nvm, forget Singapore-Malaysia request, i go for Mexico instead :)

AB, get on MSN please?

gah why are my posts always falling behind! :mad:

got you confirmed, Kansiov

Nvm, forget Singapore-Malaysia request, i go for Mexico instead :)

K, Updating...

AB: You colored in Belgium instead of the Netherlands on the map. Just a heads up.

AB: You colored in Belgium instead of the Netherlands on the map. Just a heads up.

Oops...I shouldn't have been doing that map at 1 last night...

Finally, Madagascar

Finally, Madagascar

Confirmed BHR

Thanks AB and you have TG :)

Ill take vietnam if i can

when will we start...i plan on taking a page out of Futris playbook and announcing an African Unity Project!

I'll take Colombia and Venezuela.

That was odd...

^ Uh, why?

Anyway, factbook's up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533414. I basically just copied and pasted out of my last one, changing relevant details and such, but I figure that's definitely okay.

Lachenburgian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12893832&posted=1#post12893832)

I'll claim Israel, Syria, Jordan, and Kuwait.

Factbook will be up later tonight.

Everybody Confirmed.


Plenty of good nations left, prospective RPers! France, Spain, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Canada, Brazil, Australia, Indonesia, Argentina...loads!

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12894056) Is Done

I'll take Finland, Sweden, Norway (12pts in total) and Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia all not marked. :)

I'll take Finland, Sweden, Norway (12pts in total) and Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia all not marked. :)

They're supposed to be 1s...my bad for not marking 'em. I'll tack up Findland, Sweden, and Norway though...

How long is one year in this?

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533426)

Well I'm on vacation now and unable to post anything till tuesday but, if i could I would like to claim Turkey, Greece, and Albania.

Well I'm on vacation now and unable to post anything till tuesday but, if i could I would like to claim Turkey, Greece, and Albania.

Gotcha, Waldenburg.

I forgot a lotta stuff in my opening post :P RL Day = ES 2 weeks, I'll throw that up in the first post.

AB... are the West Bank and Gaza strip not considered part of Israel? I noticed they weren't colored in on the map...

Why no one pick France? :(

Europe is pretty much empty :P

AB... are the West Bank and Gaza strip not considered part of Israel? I noticed they weren't colored in on the map...

No they are under the control of the Palestinian Government, not Isreal.

Why no one pick France? :(

Europe is pretty much empty :P

So is Africa, the Americas, and the rest of the wrld

:p


anyways, should I make my factbook now?

No they are under the control of the Palestinian Government, not Isreal.

Palestine doesn't exist as a nation at the moment, and those two areas were not numbered on the map.

No they are under the control of the Palestinian Government, not Isreal.

You beat me to it :p

They're Palestine, right. 1 point (like the Estonia situation...)


NB: Go ahead. I'll link it to the first page when it's up.
Though actually, Asia's starting to get dense...that's a good thing. Need some American nations!

Palestine doesn't exist as a nation at the moment, and those two areas were not numbered on the map.

They'll probably only cost 1 point each. But since the Israeli government doesn't control them, niether do you.

You beat me to it :p

They're Palestine, right. 1 point (like the Estonia situation...)


NB: Go ahead. I'll link it to the first page when it's up.
Though actually, Asia's starting to get dense...that's a good thing. Need some American nations!

I was just wondering... though technically Israel still controls Jerusalem in the West Bank and some other surrounding areas... militants control the Gaza Strip.

You beat me to it :p

NB: Go ahead. I'll link it to the first page when it's up.
Though actually, Asia's starting to get dense...that's a good thing. Need some American nations!

Hey, what do i put in my factbook?

Just look at others and follow, btw i added u on MSN.

NB: Here's a template I use:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528741


AD, technically, but there is a Palestinian government and unlike in the Taiwanese situation with China, there is some progress (little, but some) in relations, and Palestine is widly unofficially recognized as different than Israel...(unlike Taiwan and China, where Taiwan is officially recognized so that China isn't including Taiwan).

AB, Mistake in Animria's factbook, China does not have an Aircraft carrier :), and make it a habit to get on MSN please ;)!

NB: Here's a template I use:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528741


AD, technically, but there is a Palestinian government and unlike in the Taiwanese situation with China, there is some progress (little, but some) in relations, and Palestine is widly unofficially recognized as different than Israel...(unlike Taiwan and China, where Taiwan is officially recognized so that China isn't including Taiwan).

I'm not complaining (it really doesn't make a difference... ragtag numbers of militants won't really hurt my military numbers), I was just curious.

And Granate... stop being an ass. Seriously. You ruined the first two earths that way, let's not do it with this one.

AB, Mistake in Animria's factbook, China does not have an Aircraft carrier :), and make it a habit to get on MSN please ;)!

They do. Just unoperational.

AB, Mistake in Animria's factbook, China does not have an Aircraft carrier :), and make it a habit to get on MSN please ;)!

I ain't sticking around too much longer tonight, which is why I ain't on MSN...also, I notified Animarnia of an issue in his factbook, I'll TG him the latest...though, it technically has one carrier that it can not use in combat situations for study only.

I'm not complaining (it really doesn't make a difference... ragtag numbers of militants won't really hurt my military numbers), I was just curious.

And Granate... stop being an ass. Seriously. You ruined the first two earths that way, let's not do it with this one.

hey. Dont provoke him. I mean it. Your baiting him. As far as I see he hasn't even been mean yet. And keep the cussing to a minimum.

New Brittonia: Drop your claims on Svalbard and Jan Mayen and return them to their rightful owners. :P

I'm not complaining (it really doesn't make a difference... ragtag numbers of militants won't really hurt my military numbers), I was just curious.

And Granate... stop being an ass. Seriously. You ruined the first two earths that way, let's not do it with this one.

watch it

Just look at others and follow, btw i added u on MSN.

yeah. . . i'm at my mom's house and she does not have trillian, if u need me 4 AIM or Yahoo tell me and i'll log on. . .

watch it

Watch what? I told him to cut out the way he's been acting towards me for the first two earths, that's a crime suddenly?

End of discussion. Personal OOC insulting has killed two previous Earths, and there all Granate did was state a fact. OOC matter will not destroy this Earth, even if we have to go to further matters.

*shrugs* Whatever. We obviously read what he said in two very different ways.

EDIT: And the Jolt timewarp fucks with the world again.

Watch what? I told him to cut out the way he's been acting towards me for the first two earths, that's a crime suddenly?

End of discussion. Personal OOC insulting has killed two previous Earths, and there all Granate did was state a fact. OOC matter will not destroy this Earth, even if we have to go to further matters.

NB: Here's a template I use:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528741


AD, technically, but there is a Palestinian government and unlike in the Taiwanese situation with China, there is some progress (little, but some) in relations, and Palestine is widly unofficially recognized as different than Israel...(unlike Taiwan and China, where Taiwan is officially recognized so that China isn't including Taiwan).


Yea but Palestine is occupied by and protected by Israeli troops, whereas Taiwan is protected by its own troops and is not currently engulfed in a civil war. I think Palestine should be counted as Israel.

Yea but Palestine is occupied by and protected by Israeli troops, whereas Taiwan is protected by its own troops and is not currently engulfed in a civil war. I think Palestine should be counted as Israel.

The Golan Heights are protected by Israeli troops as well, but it is not apart of Israel, it's apart of Syria. Should we consider the Golan Heights as apart of Israel as well.

I would like to claim the Philippines, Indonesia and East Timor if they are still available.

The Golan Heights are protected by Israeli troops as well, but it is not apart of Israel, it's apart of Syria. Should we consider the Golan Heights as apart of Israel as well.


But Syria is completely independent, whereas Palestine its still really questionable, they don't have a strong elected government, no national army, no internal services, they are not really recognized by the international community.

The Golan Heights are protected by Israeli troops as well, but it is not apart of Israel, it's apart of Syria. Should we consider the Golan Heights as apart of Israel as well.


And for rp purposes, who is going to claim Palestine?

New Brittonia: Drop your claims on Svalbard and Jan Mayen and return them to their rightful owners. :P

are you being serious?

no, because i got my factbook done and i do not want to change it


See- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12894812

are you being serious?

no, because i got my factbook done and i do not want to change it


See- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12894812

I was being serious. It must be war, then.

And thus, the merger between IKEA and Saab occurs.

Fixed and Fixed.

But remember China are in RL designing/building a Carrier though details are sketchy; AB said we can have things in service now if they're to be in service by 2012 which I imagine China's Carrier would be so I'll just change it to the Russian one being Refit. and I hope your all as strict on yourselves when it comes to mentioning the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters in your factbooks; since they're not inservice you can't have them

Kansiov; Your GDP is wrong; your GDP should be - $840.012 Billion USD your using PPP not nominal and you've not set a tax rate because we can't use 100% of our GDP's unless you have a 100% tax rate and if you did that people would be upping and leaving or you'd end up like North Korea. so if you want people to actually live there you'll need a max of 50% and thats pushing it; 30-40% is about the max.

Yay Im done with my FACTBOOK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12895353&posted=1#post12895353) and man do they have more money than the Comoros

Yay Im done with my FACTBOOK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12895353&posted=1#post12895353) and man do they have more money than the Comoros

We're using Nominal GDP so they top out about $5 billion USD ish

can i take Spain

Animarnia, Nominal GDp means simply taking inflation into consideration, China has GDP [PPP] of 10 trillion, but after China's Inflationary rates, it drops down to 2.1 trillion, while some like Norway and UK have PPP lower than Noimal because their currency is larger than the norminal value. Just to let you know :).

Animarnia, Nominal GDp means simply taking inflation into consideration, China has GDP [PPP] of 10 trillion, but after China's Inflationary rates, it drops down to 2.1 trillion, while some like Norway and UK have PPP lower than Noimal because their currency is larger than the norminal value. Just to let you know :).

It makes the rich richer and the poorer states screwed even more basically but dosn't change that you need to change your GDP in your fact book since your using the PPP not the nomnal; and need to set a Tax rate :)

So I take it people won't be claiming much in africa this earth then?

argh! Dont u get it! PPP is just the same way as saying Nominal, only Nominal is in Offical exchange rate, I do not need to set a tax rate i have those indicated in my GDP spending percentages, further more if u see carefully I placed a nominal value there...

Sorry could i please claim Italy

I was being serious. It must be war, then.

uhmmm. . . If you really wanted them then you should have posted before me

argh! Dont u get it! PPP is just the same way as saying Nominal, only Nominal is in Offical exchange rate, I do not need to set a tax rate i have those indicated in my GDP spending percentages, further more if u see carefully I placed a nominal value there...


Source: Wiki - Mexico
GDP (PPP) 2006 estimate
- Total $1.134 trillion (short scale) (13th)
- Per capita $11,249 (63th)
GDP (nominal) 2005 estimate
- Total $840.012 billion (short scale) (13th)
- Per capita $8,066 (55th)


I admit Economics isn't my strong point; but I can read basic numbers; You do not have a Trillion Dollar Economy; (EDIT: Upon Refreshing your Factbook you've edited it in) we can't use 100% of our GDP Nominal or not unless we have a 100% Tax Rate; which it looks like thats what your doing. Do what you like but I will treat you with the same economic impact as North Korea.

Further Edit:
from the calculations from your factbook you tax rate would currently be 8.3% of your GDP Nominal Total giving you a total of $69.7 Billion USD. this is from your current figures. you also skip over serval things your government is supposed to spend money on like Social Wellfair/Equality, National Security, Enviroment, Public Transport, Government Administration, and you have no Law and order budget to speak of.

So your unemployed; elderly and disabled don't get any support, your easy to spy on, the coutryside is going to hell; you have no public transport to speak of; your admin staff are going unpaid and people are looting in the streets with impunity!

Congrats; your offically worse than North Korea and maybe even the PLO.

I'll take Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Iraq.

Fixed and Fixed.

But remember China are in RL designing/building a Carrier though details are sketchy; AB said we can have things in service now if they're to be in service by 2012 which I imagine China's Carrier would be so I'll just change it to the Russian one being Refit. and I hope your all as strict on yourselves when it comes to mentioning the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters in your factbooks; since they're not inservice you can't have them

Kansiov; Your GDP is wrong; your GDP should be - $840.012 Billion USD your using PPP not nominal and you've not set a tax rate because we can't use 100% of our GDP's unless you have a 100% tax rate and if you did that people would be upping and leaving or you'd end up like North Korea. so if you want people to actually live there you'll need a max of 50% and thats pushing it; 30-40% is about the max.

No, the F35 is supposed to be in service by 2012. I cant use massive amounts of them at first, but you can garuntee my factories will be cranking those puppies out.

No, the F35 is supposed to be in service by 2012. I cant use massive amounts of them at first, but you can garuntee my factories will be cranking those puppies out.

The F-22 is actually a better fighter then a F-35, in fact the Air Force actually wants more of them instead of F-35s.

The F-22 is actually a better fighter then a F-35, in fact the Air Force actually wants more of them instead of F-35s.

Agreed; but the F-35 is a better Carrier Strike craft I think but it was never meant to be a Superiority fighter

The F-22 is actually a better fighter then a F-35, in fact the Air Force actually wants more of them instead of F-35s.

Yeah, but the F-35 is better navy wise. Especially with it's S/VTOL make.

The F-22 is actually a better fighter then a F-35, in fact the Air Force actually wants more of them instead of F-35s.

Yes, but the F-35 performs a wider variety of roles aside from air-to-air combat. The F-22 was designed purely as an air-superiority fighter. Furthermore, the F-35 is a tad bit cheaper and can be readily deployed in more locations [including Aircraft Carriers].

Oh and you have a message on your factbook Kampf :) just to let you know. so when do we get an IC thread?

Yes, but the F-35 performs a wider variety of roles aside from air-to-air combat. The F-22 was designed purely as an air-superiority fighter. Furthermore, the F-35 is a tad bit cheaper and can be readily deployed in more locations [including Aircraft Carriers].

If you produce more F-22s the price will go down. It's so high right now because of the very high development costs. A trend the F-35 seems to be following.

Oh and you have a message on your factbook Kampf :) just to let you know. so when do we get an IC thread?

Yeah, I see it. Im trying to finish it up for the most part right now.

Probably sometime today. AB said he was posting a long post after it, and I think we may be waiting on that. Plus, He may be waiting for more players. (god please dont let him approve the italy claim ;))

Yeah, I see it. Im trying to finish it up for the most part right now.

Probably sometime today. AB said he was posting a long post after it, and I think we may be waiting on that. Plus, He may be waiting for more players. (god please dont let him approve the italy claim ;))

Fair enough :) no rush mate; just wondering cos I have Cheap-ish Chinese Miltary hardware stuff to sell off; once I get there military down to more managable levels I'll be happier; having to drop the GDP from 10 to 2 trillion has turned my military from highly trained soldiers to trained Rabble pretty much;

SO I'm selling off Old kit to get money to make the newer; better; less large in numbers kit - and whats up with Italy?

You gotta TG, Animarnia.

As for claims, all are confirmed and will be up shortly.

As for the IC thread, sometime tonight...Candistan gets back tomorrow, so I'll probaly have it up before he comes back.

As for the Raptor v the Lightning II...I'd much rather have the Raptor as my AF interceptor staple, and use the Lightning more as a support craft and multi-role thing like the Hornet...

You gotta TG, Animarnia.

As for claims, all are confirmed and will be up shortly.

As for the IC thread, sometime tonight...Candistan gets back tomorrow, so I'll probaly have it up before he comes back.

As for the Raptor v the Lightning II...I'd much rather have the Raptor as my AF interceptor staple, and use the Lightning more as a support craft and multi-role thing like the Hornet...

Replied :) unless its a new one which hasn't arrived yet and as for me I'd rather go with the F-22 and use F-35 for Carriers if I had the option.

F-22 Costs 120 million USD each, thats alot of money. I prefer Su-30MKI.

F-22 Costs 120 million USD each, thats alot of money. I prefer Su-30MKI.

I was talking Mass produced which would bring the cost down quite a bunch; as AB already said; its so high because Lockheed need to make back 12 years development costs; onces they've done that the price will come down to around the same as the EF 2000.

I go away for a week, and another earth appears!

Are Italy and Spain still open (I've skimmed through and it looks like they are not claimed, though I can't get the map.)?

American weapons also require high maintainence costs, Russian weapons don't ;)

I go away for a week, and another earth appears!

Are Italy and Spain still open (I've skimmed through and it looks like they are not claimed, though I can't get the map.)?

Hey Honako nice to see you.

I go away for a week, and another earth appears!

Are Italy and Spain still open (I've skimmed through and it looks like they are not claimed, though I can't get the map.)?

YAY :) your back

American weapons also require high maintainence costs, Russian weapons don't ;)

:) On this we agree; I have much love for the Su-37 Terminator and I actualy prefer the Harrier over the Lightning II even if the JSF could potentially carrry a 25MW Directed Energy weapon some time in the future.

American weapons also require high maintainence costs, Russian weapons don't ;)

False. Russian equipment requires just as much maintainence as American Equipment, if not more in some cases. The Russian Airforce is having a bitch of a time trying to refurbish all of their planes because of bad maintainence.

False. Russian equipment requires just as much maintainence as American Equipment, if not more in some cases. The Russian Airforce is having a bitch of a time trying to refurbish all of their planes because of bad maintainence.

I thought Russian kit was more simple to maintain?

I thought Russian kit was more simple to maintain?

In some cases. But in terms of Fighter Planes and Tanks it's much the same. Russia's Airforce and portions of it's army are in disrepair because of improper maintainence, faulty parts, and other things.

Italy's claimed, Honako, but France is open...

AB: You do know that Route 1 has only 150+ posts and he claimed Saudi Arabia which requires 7 points.

AB: You do know that Route 1 has only 150+ posts and he claimed Saudi Arabia which requires 7 points.

I guess I should stop trusting people by their word...

I'll TG him...if he has an alternate nation that has more posts, that's fine (since we're looking for activity here).

TG for you AB;

and out of idle curiosity...why is greenland 3 points? it has like 10,000 people and $1 billion GDP...about all its good for is remote reseach bases

Oh damn, Italy's claimed! I never get that country...

Well, I would say France and Spain, but thats makes 13, and I would ask for you to give me the extra point, but that would wreck the whole system (though why is Japan a point less than France when it is richer and more populated? - I assume it's due to political influence and nukes or something), so I'll take France, Belgium and will find another two point nation for a colony or something.

Oh, and good to know some people noticed my absense! Could someone tell me by TG whats happening here, if anything, and what happened to AWOP if you please. Cheers.

AB: Ah right :) last time I checked the map it was scored up as 3; I was just curious.

Animarnia: It became 1 point...it's no longer 3


Honako: France, Tunisia, and Andorra, maybe? That'd be 12...whatever you want, though (South America's wide open...)

Nuuuuuuuu! I wanted to annex Belgium... that makes me sad. Take Tunisia, Honako! Yeah! Yeah! :p

And as for what happened to AWOP, Kampfers shut it down due to incessant OOC bitching and sniping and the like, hence the reason that this Earth puts so much of an emphasis on keeping that shit to a minimum.

I'll take France, Belgium, Oman and UAE.

UAE's already booked...Incursus took that and Qatar.

heh honako, just try trash talking me in this earth and see what happens...

Also, we have some issues in NS about the CA. TG wagdog for details.

American weapons also require high maintainence costs, Russian weapons don't ;)

It's not that Russian equipment doesn't require high maintenance costs as time goes on, it's that the Russian government can't afford to pay it.

Did I read correctly that all the claims made in the last 24 hours have been approved?

So AWOP fell apart eh? I had a feeling it would happen. I'm thinking about joining this. Not sure yet....

Oh, and how is military strength decided here? Is the economy based on RL stats (Nominal or PPP GDP?) or NS (GDP per Capita)?

heh honako, just try trash talking me in this earth and see what happens...

Also, we have some issues in NS about the CA. TG wagdog for details.

I plan on being opinionated. If America likes France, we'll all get along though! ;)

Are we using nominal GDP?

And I guess I'll have to modify my claim again - can anyone recommend any good remaining two point nations, which preferable aren't highly populated or poor?

uhmmm. . . If you really wanted them then you should have posted before me

Both are territories of Norway, part of my claim. Hard for someone to post if they're not on at the time of topic creation, I'd assume. It still will be war. :P

Is there an IC thread for this shiznit?

One quick question, I can't find anything on my millitary, anyone know any good sites?

en.wikipedia.org

Search "Military of ______"

AB check your TGs

en.wikipedia.org

Search "Military of ______"

Nope. I dont think madagascar has an army. I think i will form one

Nope. I dont think madagascar has an army. I think i will form one

Yeah it has 13,000 Men...which...appear to be armed with toothpicks from what I can find so far and pogosticks for armoured Vechicles


Kampf: any luck with my reply on your factbook?

Nope. I dont think madagascar has an army. I think i will form one

yeah well dont pull that same stuff you did in AWOP. I doubt AB will be as leniant as i was.

Alright, I'm back in the game. I'm going to claim Brazil, Boliva, Paraguay. 8+2+2=12

Alright, I'm back in the game. I'm going to claim Brazil, Boliva, Paraguay. 8+2+2=12

hey man welcome back. Sorry bout what happened to AWOP.

Also, for Franberry (as he's in South Africa), can I reserve a claim for him?

Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay if I can-along with the South Atlantic islands/Malvinas.

Hrm, however it may exceed the "12" limit, I would like to request France and Spain, or if that is possible, Spain and Portugal.

hey man welcome back. Sorry bout what happened to AWOP.

Ya, Its ok, Hopfully this earth will last. We just have to do everything we can and stay active.

Yeah it has 13,000 Men...which...appear to be armed with toothpicks from what I can find so far and pogosticks for armoured Vechicles


Kampf: any luck with my reply on your factbook?

well I'm on my iPhone so I cant copy and paste my form. Oocly, you can buy the Enterprise, but not either of the kitty hawks who are going to AB.

Ok..... So Wiki is being stupid and dosnt have any info on The Military of Boliva or Paraguay..... Anyone know of a source?

Hello, I would just like everyone to look at my .Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475) because I have a very very very important announcement on it

well I'm on my iPhone so I cant copy and paste my form. Oocly, you can buy the Enterprise, but not either of the kitty hawks who are going to AB.

The Big E will do nicely :) how much?

Hello, I would just like everyone to look at my .Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475) because I have a very very very important announcement on it

To Nicaragua!

I was wondering if i could trade the Cayman Islands for Costa Rica (which has not yet been claimed)-as in they're both one point.

The Big E will do nicely :) how much?

heh it is up to how much you offer. I may call or raise.

Hello, I would just like everyone to look at my .Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533475) because I have a very very very important announcement on it

Just remember that if you ever deny me passage, you can expect to see at least 5 carriers within a short time. :D

On another note, i would allow you to become a protectorate of mine and keep people feom breaking your rules. Think about it.

To Nicaragua!

Huh?

Just remember that if you ever deny me passage, you can expect to see at least 5 carriers within a short time. :D

On another note, i would allow you to become a protectorate of mine and keep people feom breaking your rules. Think about it.

You only need 1 Carrier with its Battle Group.......

On another note, i would allow you to become a protectorate of mine and keep people feom breaking your rules. Think about it.

What's a Protectorate?

Just remember that if you ever deny me passage, you can expect to see at least 5 carriers within a short time. :D

On another note, i would allow you to become a protectorate of mine and keep people feom breaking your rules. Think about it.

and posably some pissed off Chinese

You only need 1 Carrier with its Battle Group.......

no id go for overkill to prove the point. Flatten everything in his nation besides the canal and he cant exactly refuse my passage...

Huh?

the canal was originally planned to go through Nicaragua.

no id go for overkill to prove the point. Flatten everything in his nation besides the canal and he cant exactly refuse my passage...

I'd only refuse vessels if they were too big or if they belonged to an enemy during a time or war. Speaking of that, I'd like to have an economic and military alliance since you're in the neighborhood Kampfers. If you refuse, I'll just close Jamaica to Cuban and American tourists. (not really.)

the canal was originally planned to go through Nicaragua.

But there isn't one there is there?

I'd only refuse vessels if they were too big or if they belonged to an enemy during a time or war. Speaking of that, I'd like to have an economic and military alliance since you're in the neighborhood Kampfers. If you refuse, I'll just close Jamaica to Cuban and American tourists. (not really.)



But there isn't one there is there?

Yeah that's why you would be a protectorate. Essentially the same thing. In an alliance, however, you are my equal. As a protectorate, you are below me. And my gov isn't stupid enough to say we are equal.

No, but we could make one

Well, you sure I can't be your ally under equal terms. Think of all your happy tourists and bankers! (I own Jamaica and the Cayman Islands if you didn't know)

Oh, who owns Mexico?

Can I take France, Andorra, Belgium and Singapore as my final claims. If one must go, which seems stupid, it has to be Andorra.

Can I take France, Andorra, Belgium and Singapore as my final claims.

I think Willink claimed it before you did.

Actually, I think it's pretty reasonable. I need to get some money out of the canal! do you have a suggestion?

2% of the value of everything on board...that's not going to make you popular, Vanek Drury Brieres.

I think Willink claimed it before you did.

no honano already had France. He just needed to use up his extra points.

Any other recommendations at all concerning the canal?

You know, that's why i chose Panama. It was for 2 points and i get control of the Panama Canal!

*evil laugh*

Yeah... hold a conference, play the diplomatic card. Don't just lay down heavy-handed rulings. The only reason RL Panama isn't invaded is because it's protected mostly by the US. Panama doesn't have it's own military.

Also, sorry for the delay with getting the factbook up everyone. I have a show tonight in tribute to my friend who died in October from Muscular Dystrophy, so it won't be up until tomorrow at the earliest. I apologize for any inconvenience.

On that note, does anyone know where to find concrete statistics on Israel's military, mostly the army? Everything I'm finding is very vague, and is no help at all. Any help would be appreciated.

Well, you sure I can't be your ally under equal terms. Think of all your happy tourists and bankers! (I own Jamaica and the Cayman Islands if you didn't know)

And your point is? So long as i can smash you in one day, you have no chance of an alliance. A protectorate is just as good for you, with that one exception. Honestly, you are too weak and poor for an alliance to make sense.

On that note, does anyone know where to find concrete statistics on Israel's military, mostly the army? Everything I'm finding is very vague, and is no help at all. Any help would be appreciated.

I'm not surprised-what if terrorists got the info?

Yeah... hold a conference, play the diplomatic card. Don't just lay down heavy-handed rulings.

OK, I'll try to start a thread in the morning, see where it gets me.

Yeah Honako had France first. In That case I will take Spain, Portugal, Ethiopia, and Kenya. (5, 4, 1, 2)

Yeah Honako had France first. In That case I will take Spain, Portugal, Ethiopia, and Kenya. (5, 4, 1, 2)

Cool. I sent you a TG about a different matter.

Just tell me somehow when whoever approves/disapproves claims approves/disapproves mine- Costa Rica for the Cayman Islands.

Can't post for the rest of the day.

And your point is? So long as i can smash you in one day, you have no chance of an alliance. A protectorate is just as good for you, with that one exception. Honestly, you are too weak and poor for an alliance to make sense.

bump for you to see. Economically, politically, a full alliance does
not make since. Protectorate, yes. Alliance, no.

no id go for overkill to prove the point. Flatten everything in his nation besides the canal and he cant exactly refuse my passage...

You can flatten everything with 1 carrier and its battle group. Belive me, lol

You can flatten everything with 1 carrier and its battle group. Belive me, lol

But you can do it faster with 5 :P

Both are territories of Norway, part of my claim. Hard for someone to post if they're not on at the time of topic creation, I'd assume. It still will be war. :P

Is there an IC thread for this shiznit?

Wow, you do know that unless you make a good casus belli then I will ignore your attacks. And I do not think that me claiming a RL territory of your RP naton will count.

Wow, you do know that unless you make a good casus belli then I will ignore your attacks. And I do not think that me claiming a RL territory of your RP naton will count.

Claiming a disputed territory that is in Real life a territory of Norway is a perfectly fine casus belli New Brittonia, See: Kashmir.

Wow, you do know that unless you make a good casus belli then I will ignore your attacks. And I do not think that me claiming a RL territory of your RP naton will count.

he doesnt have to have a reason. He can just attack. And should you ignore him, if he attacks, bet on me pounding you into the ground. Ignores are for godmodes and tech wanks, not bad reasons for war.

Wow, you do know that unless you make a good casus belli then I will ignore your attacks. And I do not think that me claiming a RL territory of your RP naton will count.

Umm...I claim the island. You administer it. Happens in real life. Look up disputed claims.

I'd like to open a debate about this. The islands aren't even choices on the map and are indeed territories of the nation of Norway, which I claimed. Now, if he can claim Svalbard why does Kampfers, the claimant of the US, have the islands of Hawaii? Also, why is the owner of China allowed to have Hainan? Hainan is an island territory of China.

For the same reasons as stated above, I believe I should have Svalbard and Jan Mayen.

Umm...I claim the island. You administer it. Happens in real life. Look up disputed claims.

I'd like to open a debate about this. The islands aren't even choices on the map and are indeed territories of the nation of Norway, which I claimed. Now, if he can claim Svalbard why does Kampfers, the claimant of the US, have the islands of Hawaii? Also, why is the owner of China allowed to have Hainan? Hainan is an island territory of China.

For the same reasons as stated above, I believe I should have Svalbard and Jan Mayen.

Hawaii is a state, not a territory. I dont get guam for that reason.

Hawaii is a state, not a territory. I dont get guam for that reason.

Svalbard is kind of like a part of Norway though; like Hawaii is; but then the Fawklands is a part of the UK kind of too; ulitmately its AB's call but you can still go to war for it if all else fails

Svalbard is kind of like a part of Norway though; like Hawaii is; but then the Fawklands is a part of the UK kind of too; ulitmately its AB's call but you can still go to war for it if all else fails

yeah. Oh ad jared, if you do go to war save me Greenland.

Svalbard is kind of like a part of Norway though; like Hawaii is; but then the Fawklands is a part of the UK kind of too; ulitmately its AB's call but you can still go to war for it if all else fails

Svalbard is part of Nordland, a region in Norway. Or at least it's administered by it, same with Jan Mayen. Technically, it's the same call as Hawaii.

Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533494 Its not done yet so dont post......

Umm...I claim the island. You administer it. Happens in real life. Look up disputed claims.

I'd like to open a debate about this. The islands aren't even choices on the map and are indeed territories of the nation of Norway, which I claimed. Now, if he can claim Svalbard why does Kampfers, the claimant of the US, have the islands of Hawaii? Also, why is the owner of China allowed to have Hainan? Hainan is an island territory of China.

For the same reasons as stated above, I believe I should have Svalbard and Jan Mayen.


I claimed them before you did. First come, first serve is what I say.

I claimed them before you did. First come, first serve is what I say.

Yes, but they are part of my nation. Svalbard was incorporated into the Kingdom of Norway in 1920, you can say it was annexed. Svalbard would be the only exception to my debate, as it isn't part of any Norwegian district. It's much like Hong Kong, Macau, or Aland (Finland). On a note unrelated to this jibber-jabber, may I ask for Aland to be added onto my map? It is an S.A.R. of Finland.

The same can not be said about Jan Mayen, which is in fact part of the Nordland state in Norway. It is administered by Norway, just like Hawaii is administered by the United States.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=533500 My Factbook for France, Belgium etc. open for diplomatic relations. I'm interested in forming ties with anyone, though we prefer nations that have ideals close to ours if we look for close ties, and of course, we want even more powerful friends.

Yes, but they are part of my nation. Svalbard was incorporated into the Kingdom of Norway in 1920, you can say it was annexed. Svalbard would be the only exception to my debate, as it isn't part of any Norwegian district. It's much like Hong Kong, Macau, or Aland (Finland). On a note unrelated to this jibber-jabber, may I ask for Aland to be added onto my map? It is an S.A.R. of Finland.

The same can not be said about Jan Mayen, which is in fact part of the Nordland state in Norway. It is administered by Norway, just like Hawaii is administered by the United States.

Okay. Jan Mayen is a little rock that has no perminent inhabitants and has nothing but a small base on it.

You can keep Aland. I never can make that A with the circle on it. It's useless to me. That's why I never wanted it.

I will post something on Monday, Hon. Jared, I have recieved NONE of Great Britain's various overseas territories I don't see why your argueing with NB over a very non-densely populated island.

AB TG.

Btw I said that my factbook is up and no one changed that on my name.

Okay. Jan Mayen is a little rock that has no perminent inhabitants and has nothing but a small base on it.

You can keep Aland. I never can make that A with the circle on it. It's useless to me. That's why I never wanted it.

Åland is part of Finland, dude. By your own logic, Jan Mayen is useless to you. I would like it as it is part of my nation and thusly administered by my nation. Svalbard has autonomy, which is why I'm waiting for a mod to make a ruling on such.

To Carloginias: There's a difference between an overseas territory and a state (technically) in your nation. Jan Mayen lacks autonomy, while British overseas territories tend to have governors and the like.

Gibralter- Queen Elizebeth is the Govenor of Gibralter. While mostly ceremonial she does choose her ministers there.

Falklands- The Falkans are governed by someone chosen by the queen. The govenor is responsible for the administration of the islands and of the South Georgia and South Sandwich isles.

Bermuda- The British government is responsible for 'Good Government'. Administered by someone chosen by the Queen.

You can see where this is going.

Åland is part of Finland, dude. By your own logic, Jan Mayen is useless to you. I would like it as it is part of my nation and thusly administered by my nation. Svalbard has autonomy, which is why I'm waiting for a mod to make a ruling on such.

To Carloginias: There's a difference between an overseas territory and a state (technically) in your nation. Jan Mayen lacks autonomy, while British overseas territories tend to have governors and the like.

No, the entire wikipedia article has no funny a on there. . . BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Hon, on your population do you also posess French Guinea or just Metropolitan France?

Gibralter- Queen Elizebeth is the Govenor of Gibralter. While mostly ceremonial she does choose her ministers there.

Yeah, but the same can be said for Canada and there is no doubt that Canada is an autonomous nation.

Now, to ask the question again, how is military strength decided on ES?

The militaries of the nation that you claimed is your own military.

Now, to ask the question again, how is military strength decided on ES?

I was wondering the same. Technologically wise wouldn't my colonial holdings just use the same equipment as my nation?

The militaries of the nation that you claimed is your own military.

Ahh crap. So much for my dream of a nation with a great Navy, now I'm stuck with outdated equipment and no spare parts for what I do have. >.<

Gibralter- Queen Elizebeth is the Govenor of Gibralter. While mostly ceremonial she does choose her ministers there.

Falklands- The Falkans are governed by someone chosen by the queen. The govenor is responsible for the administration of the islands and of the South Georgia and South Sandwich isles.

Bermuda- The British government is responsible for 'Good Government'. Administered by someone chosen by the Queen.

You can see where this is going.

Canada's Governor General is Michaëlle Jean, and she has little if any power. The same for the rest of the governors, they're mainly ceremonial titles.

Bermuda is run by Ewart Brown, who I believe was not appointed by the Queen but elected into office. Gibraltar is run by Peter Caruana who was elected into office. The Falklands have no leader D:.

Falklands are probably run by the British Gov, because of the hostilities in 81' I think it was.

Anyway, you have a TG Jared.

AB, TG. I am pretty quick when I am online.

Replied. Lol. I'll stop saying it.

Flashed a TG to VDB, among others.

Updating the claims, all accepted.

As for Jan Mayen et al-he claimed it, so technically he can have 'em. If someone claimed Tasmania, but not Australia, or all of New Guinea but not Indonesia, or even claimed Alaska but not the USA, they could do that. First come, first serve. You can claim a part of a nation and be fine with it-it just overrides the claim of the nation later. Ie, if someone claimed California but not the rest of the USA, the person who took the rest would use everything but Cali...

Of course, I'd work out a points scale if you just claimed California, ie, the same with Svalbard et al, which came to a 2 point total.

AB, can you make it on the map so that I have Åland? It is indeed part of Finland...also the island near Sweden, which is part of Sweden.

I don't want to have to argue about it again X_X My Gripens will do the talking.

AB, can you make it on the map so that I have Åland? It is indeed part of Finland...also the island near Sweden, which is part of Sweden.

I don't want to have to argue about it again X_X My Gripens will do the talking.

like i said previosly, if you declare war, ill help if i get Greenland.

like i said previosly, if you declare war, ill help if i get Greenland.

Please sign on MSN if possible.

I think I marked the right island...that's what wiki says, at least, is Aland.

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yessssss


anyways. . . it seems that I just started off on the wrong foot with JC. Anyways. . . what are we gonna talk about now?

:)

Me, Kamp, and Candistan will give everyone else something to talk about ICly tomorrow (I ain't gonna start the IC thread at 11:45, especially seeing all the stuff I left out on the OOC thread that I started at 11...)

Carlo, you have another TG...

Question: Wouldn't the Canary Island's be mine, considering it's kind of, well, uh, one of Spain's Autonomous Communities?!!? (Essentially States.) That's like making the US claim Hawaii separately.

Question: Wouldn't the Canary Island's be mine, considering it's kind of, well, uh, one of Spain's Autonomous Communities?!!? (Essentially States.) That's like making the US claim Hawaii separately.

All I can say is XD.

The canaries are mine, buhahaha.

Hrm, taking that into account, can I claim the Balearic Islands? Considering it isn't a nation (Another Spanish State) I believe it should be removed from the numbers map. Same goes for the Azores.

Hrm, taking that into account, can I claim the Balearic Islands? Considering it isn't a nation (Another Spanish State) I believe it should be removed from the numbers map.

yeah he should get them.

Did you get my TG?

Can I please have:

Morocco, Djibouti, Eriteria, Yemen, Balearic Islands, Sudan, Western Sahara, Cape Verde

Total of 12 points.

TG, Kampf.

Replied.

I like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kaliningrad, and Poland if possible.