NationStates Jolt Archive

no, it needed saying...

because there's no way in hell you can hide that.The plans for emergency drafting in times of war, the scale of this draft and the areas where the divisions drafted will be stationed and the time required for this, are public knowledge? No.
A very rough outline can be made by foreign intelligence services, if they haven't already, but no precise figures and certainly not the planned size of the draft.

Yeah, you might as well announce mobilization, 'cause we'd all know anyway.And when I mobilize, I will.

Realtive Liberty-

I liked your format for organizing an army that I stole it, hope that's chill with you.Go ahead.

We will know this:
The size and rough composition of your forces.
Their usual bases, if not necessarily their current location.
Their usual readiness.
Whether large-scale mobilisation has begun.Aye.

We will not know (unless specifically RPed espionage takes place):
The exact composition and equipment of your units (might know what exactly the Imperial Guard are equipped with, but not so much anyone else).
The current location of every unit (though massive troop movements will show up, if nothing else, in the train timetable...)
How long it takes to mobilise (beyond very approximately).Indeed.

Emperor, You Low Born Welp!

Hey Terror shall we just continue, I think HT won't be around for awhile, to start the duel, and we might as well get things started.

Well...I spose. We're not planning on any irregularity before your little scheme kicks off, so there's nothing for Alutius to complain at and we can assume his consent.

Honako, puppets most certainly don't count. Use the population of your nation, and that's that. I have around triple this population if you include puppets (although most of them keep dying, I only keep them to play around with the actual NS game from time to time).


Ok, well, I'll take one or two, probably one with the non-inclusion of puppets, in France - the ones, nearest to Switzerland, if I had to choose, probs the southern one (which I think has Lyon in it or something...).

Ok, well, I'll take one or two, probably one with the non-inclusion of puppets, in France - the ones, nearest to Switzerland, if I had to choose, probs the southern one (which I think has Lyon in it or something...).

Y'might want to edit up a map showing which exactly.
And knowing what form your nation will take, like a sort of mini-factbook, is always kinda bonus.

Y'might want to edit up a map showing which exactly.
And knowing what form your nation will take, like a sort of mini-factbook, is always kinda bonus.

I will create one of those when I am 'accepted'. :)

The grey areas are the ones I want, though I'm not 100% sure if my non-puppet accounted population reaches enough for two, so I'll have whichever of those ones has Lyon in it if that issue arises.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8567/2uiwzddza1.png (http://imageshack.us) - The claims of mine

I will create one of those when I am 'accepted'. :)

The grey areas are the ones I want, though I'm not 100% sure if my non-puppet accounted population reaches enough for two, so I'll have whichever of those ones has Lyon in it if that issue arises.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8567/2uiwzddza1.png (http://imageshack.us) - The claims of mine

You used an outdated map. This is the new one:

And no you cannot have two provinces. You need a billion population to do that.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/Darth_Sin/111111.jpg

.PNG is a superior format when the picture is a map. JPEG suffers from generation loss and blurry lines (see the colonial map for example).

You used an outdated map. This is the new one:

And no you cannot have two provinces. You need a billion population to do that.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/Darth_Sin/111111.jpg

Alrightly, I'd like the one which has the province of Rhône-Alpes in it - thing is, I'm unsure which one that is...erm, anyway, I claim one of them.

Alrightly, I'd like the one which has the province of Rhône-Alpes in it - thing is, I'm unsure which one that is...erm, anyway, I claim one of them.

Could you be more vague?

Rhône-Alps is in both of the regions, with Lyon being in the northernmost one I think.

I'll take the northernmost one then...

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Republic Of Lyonnais:
Population: 2 million
Rulership: Elected Government
Army: 65,000 standing, 20,000 reserve, roughly 3% standing

The Republic Of Lyonnais is a small country located in what was formerly known as Gaul and France. It is relatively new, being formed around the early-mid-1800's after the country slowly began dividing. It was first ruled by a rich businessman who was chosen due to his public standing, named Henri Girard, and his strict pro-capitalist and economic growth rules which are still present in today's society which is why, for it's size, Lyonnais is viewed as a wealthy country.

Since his death in 1861 the country has had fair democratic elections every eight years up to 1906, and from that point it was changed to every five years. The current leader is Alain-René, leader of the Lyonnais Democratic Party (LDP) that focuses on pro-economic growth and capitalist values. His main opposition is the Socialist Party For The Republic (SPFR) who for the last twenty years have had fast growing support from Lyon citizens due to their charismatic leader Jean Saint-Pierre, a former war hero who fights for more equality and workers rights, and who is believed to have a strong foothold in the French government due to his corrupt connections, and has been described as the "real leader of the country".

Lyonnais and its citizens enjoy rich lives, as they have thriving business, trade, and a good culture present in their capital city of Lyon, were they are known for the finer things such as the production of food, wine and silk. They also have many grand buildings, such as Opera Houses, around their country and capital.

Air forces are quite small in the Republic, and they have no official navy, though their armed forces are strong for a country of their size, well trained though mostly used for show due to the relatively peaceful non-caring attitude the Lyonnais people express towards foreign military issues. The forces are high due to general awareness that their position is near possible invading powers. They also have a small but high quality arms industry, which will sell modern (for the time) weapons aboard.

I'll take the northernmost one then...

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Republic Of Lyonnais:
Population: 2 million
Rulership: Elected Government
Army: 65,000 standing, 20,000 reserve, roughly 3% standing

The Republic Of Lyonnais is a small country located in what was formerly known as Gaul and France. It is relatively new, being formed around the early-mid-1800's after the country slowly began dividing. It was first ruled by a rich businessman who was chosen due to his public standing, named Henri Girard, and his strict pro-capitalist and economic growth rules which are still present in today's society which is why, for it's size, Lyonnais is viewed as a wealthy country.

Since his death in 1861 the country has had fair democratic elections every eight years up to 1962, and from that point it was changed to every five years. The current leader is Alain-René, leader of the Lyonnais Democratic Party (LDP) that focuses on pro-economic growth and capitalist values. His main opposition is the Socialist Party For The Republic (SPFR) who for the last twenty years have had fast growing support from Lyon citizens due to their charismatic leader Jean Saint-Pierre, a former war hero who fights for more equality and workers rights, and who is believed to have a strong foothold in the French government due to his corrupt connections, and has been described as the "real leader of the country".

Lyonnais and its citizens enjoy rich lives, as they have thriving business, trade, and a good culture present in their capital city of Lyon, were they are known for the finer things such as the production of food, wine and silk. They also have many grand buildings, such as Opera Houses, around their country and capital.

Air forces are quite small in the Republic, and they have no official navy, though their armed forces are strong for a country of their size, well trained though mostly used for show due to the relatively peaceful non-caring attitude the Lyonnais people express towards foreign military issues. The forces are high due to general awareness that their position is near possible invading powers.

I take it the 1962 is a typo?

I take it the 1962 is a typo?

Oops, erm yeah. I obviously forget this was 1914... :p

I did a map of it, but can't put it online. And it won't paste for some stupid reason. I wish to claim the last 4 Northern Provinces of Russia all the way to the East of the European Maps. Would that be alright with a population of 11 million?

I did a map of it, but can't put it online. And it won't paste for some stupid reason. I wish to claim the last 4 Northern Provinces of Russia all the way to the East of the European Maps. Would that be alright with a population of 11 million?

Yes, tell me the name of your nation and do a little write up on it.

I'll add it after.

Monarchy of Sukiaida:
Population: 11 Million
Rulership: Constitutional Monarchy
Army(Conscripted): 220,000 Standing (2%): 330,000 Reservists (3%)

THe monarchy of Sukiaida was formed during the Napoleonic era, and were a nationc reated from rural peasants and large land owners based around the capitol of St. Petersburg. The nation orginally was an aristocracy where the nobility ran the government and the king was only a figurehead. With the begining of industrialization in the 1860's and 1870's, Sukiaida began to have a very wealthy merchant class. THis allowed for new laws to be created as the merchant class wanted the power. A legislative branch was created with a single set of seats, allowing for the owners of industry to ignore the poorer nobility. THis did bring some rights to the poor landless gentry as the cities began developing by the 1880's

Sukiaida is a growing industrial power, though still extremelly agrarian. It's industrial might may be great as time goes on, and if it's population rises. Spread out, railroads are minimal in the east, and only in the more industrialized west are roads and railroads better maintained.

The SUkiaida army is filled with infantry, though machine guns and artillery are starting to become widely diseminated. FOr an army that only 20 years earlier had 1 artillery peice per 20,000 men, the Sukiadian Army now has about 1 Artillery peice for every 1,000 men. A much larger rise. Machine guns are just starting to be produced in the country, so bugs are still being worked out. Mostly foreign machine guns are apart of every company of infantry.

The Sukiaida Navy is smaller than most as it only has cold harbors. St. Petersburg is the only harbor close to warm waters. And it is closed off certain times of the year. The Sukiaidan navy is therefore not centered around large numbers of huge gun platforms. The entire navy only has 2 Dreadnaught class battleships, and 3 Pre-Dreadnaught battleships at it's disposal. Most of the navy is made up of cruisers. A large number of Armored Cruisers and Protected Cruisers. As well as a large number of Destroyers and Torpedo Boats. All in all the Navies job is to protect a location that only needs protection 4 months out of the year.

The SUkiaidan Air Corps is connected to the army, and has a few scout planes and fighter scouts. This is all. It totals around 100 planes.

because Osteia put this in the colonial thread and something seems to have happened to his ability to move it:

Ok i have been absent for a LONG time, reasons being i am VERY busy at work and have been for the last little while making it nearly impossible to post on NS. I have decided to give complete control of Osteia to the "Anj Reich", meaning EVERYTHING will be at his disposal. I do not wish to cause conflict in the Rp and this is the easist way to avoid it...sooo with that said i am really sorry i cannot take part and i regret not having the time to play as i have looked over the Rp afew times and it seems to be progressing rather well.

Now i leave this to my long time friend, Angermanland...

My very best reguards and wishes,

Albert (Osteia)

Best of luck to everyone, have fun..



i honestly have no idea how i'm going to handle this ICly, but i think i'll work something out eventually.

because Osteia put this in the colonial thread and something seems to have happened to his ability to move it:





i honestly have no idea how i'm going to handle this ICly, but i think i'll work something out eventually.

His monarch dies and leaves the country to you, or you have married into his family long ago and now you are inheriting his nation because of the King's lac of a legitimate heir? Although I'm not sure whether or not he was a monarchy if not then I'm not sure maybe something along the lines of a UK like union.

Will you be playing them as seperate polities, with seperate policy, and seperate goals or will there be some sort of union that takes place? I ask because this arrangement affects Immyr directly as I share a rather large border with Ostiea

Will you be playing them as seperate polities, with seperate policy, and seperate goals or will there be some sort of union that takes place? I ask because this arrangement affects Immyr directly as I share a rather large border with Ostiea

I dont think he quite knows yet, and we might want to get HT's ruling here before we continue.

because Osteia put this in the colonial thread and something seems to have happened to his ability to move it:





i honestly have no idea how i'm going to handle this ICly, but i think i'll work something out eventually.

Seems unfair to me, to gain such a large boost because your friend left.

Nah, because now we have a decent reason for declaring war on him;

"To free the oppressed people of Anj, who, under the cruel mechanations of the barbaric monarchs, need our help."

[Hint, hint]

Nah, because now we have a decent reason for declaring war on him;

"To free the oppressed people of Anj, who, under the cruel mechanations of the barbaric monarchs, need our help."

[Hint, hint]

I like the way you think.

Update:

]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/Darth_Sin/1234.jpg

EDIT: Also, could Bautzen, Germany and Incognitia check their telegrams? Thanks.

well, lets see... it's less disruptive than removing him entirely... we had the closest alliance in the game last i checked [ie: total and theoretically unconditional] and are right next to each other. and Osteia's not that big.

all that aside, i really would have preferred him to carry on playing, but alas, it is not to be.

also, HT has final say on things such as this.

it also extends my border with Germany and gives me a [probably] hostile neighbor to my west rather than a friendly one, as well as an extended coastline.

and given that of my three neighbors [now Or afterwards] 2/3 can squash me flat given time, And I'm going to probably end up at war with both at once very soon...

think of it like Germany absorbing Austria pre-ww2 :D

a matter between the ouhAnj peoples.

but yeah... "fair" doesn't really have a lot to do with it.... i just have to make it work ICly. which i'm... working on.

something to do with the RES, probably....

Map updated. Anj, you'll probably have to RP this one - and I suspect, since Osteia's leaving, (although, in this circumstance, he is deliberately leaving his population and province to you, so you get the pop boost), you'll have to do it somewhat in the same manner as Warsaw and Caxistan had to go about it.

Snipped. Like a snippermeister

Incidentally, RL, I liked your layout for an army so much.. yeah, I stoled it. Juust like Moorington. Since the Landwehr is more-or-less the standard for armies across Europe, though, I feel I'm justified, in some roundabout way.

:P

actually, i think Osteia's southern territory would get [mostly, anyway] split between Immyr and and Lyon, with the north-east-ish bit of it being demilitarized or something...

i'll outright annex the coastal territory, nominally make the rest a protectorate but then give it to those people... shift the population around a bit so they get people from their sort of cultural "grouping" and i mostly end up with Anj/Osteian/whatever the Osteian people that aren't somewhat Immyr or Lyon ish are.

i will RP this out, and it'll be back dated a few months to when Osteia actually stopped playing [err, or something like that].

but not right now. probably tomorrow.

edit: slight alterations, i sent HT a map of it. anyway, end result is that Immyr and Lyon probably get about a quarter of Osteia's population between them, the eastern strip of both osteia's old teritories becomes neutral [thus not extending my border with Germany] and Immyr and Lyon each get about a third of that southern territory.

actually, i think Osteia's southern territory would get [mostly, anyway] split between Immyr and and Lyon, with the north-east-ish bit of it being demilitarized or something...

i'll outright annex the coastal territory, nominally make the rest a protectorate but then give it to those people... shift the population around a bit so they get people from their sort of cultural "grouping" and i mostly end up with Anj/Osteian/whatever the Osteian people that aren't somewhat Immyr or Lyon ish are.

i will RP this out, and it'll be back dated a few months to when Osteia actually stopped playing [err, or something like that].

but not right now. probably tomorrow.

edit: slight alterations, i sent HT a map of it. anyway, end result is that Immyr and Lyon probably get about a quarter of Osteia's population between them, the eastern strip of both osteia's old teritories becomes neutral [thus not extending my border with Germany] and Immyr and Lyon each get about a third of that southern territory.


This is an interesting development. I'm not complaining either way. In fact, I was getting rather excited about being caught between two titans. With Illar to my west and the Reich to my east, Immyr would have had to do some fancy dancing in order to avoid getting swallowed. Either way, this whole thing 1914 RP is shaping up nicely. Certainly the most fun I've had in an RP in quite some time.

Cool I have been added. That works for me. Now to do my factbook.

Here is the link.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12599327&posted=1#post12599327

well, i wouldn't exactly say I'm a Titan. my home territories are one of the smaller ones, though admittedly not the smallest :) it's where i put them combined with some other factors that gave me so many colonies.

working on the demise of Osteia now.

So Osteria is going to be conquered then? Interesting.

conquered....yes..for THIS rp. For the sake of the Rp im letting this be done, this will not be recorded in Osteian history...nor did it happen :P

Since there is no OOC thread, I'd just post it here.

Bautzen, Germany, Incognitia and Caxistan are invited to a conference. The thread has already been made.

OHHH K I am confused. But alright.

OHHH K I am confused. But alright.

he means that this RP's events aren't going into the over all "composite history of Ostiea through the ages" as it were....

which makes sense, as Osteia is useually in Italy, not northern France...

A tad bored, especially since this thread "where most of the actions is" is hiding from me.

That, means, of course, a creative mind needing an output. Meaning, of course, schemes to aquire new territory and subjugate 'sub-people.'

A tad bored, especially since this thread "where most of the actions is" is hiding from me.

That, means, of course, a creative mind needing an output. Meaning, of course, schemes to aquire new territory and subjugate 'sub-people.'

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524752&page=5

War is probably about to start very soon here one way or another, it's a little late to join directly but it's sort of it your area (Only seperated by three countries...)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524752&page=5

War is probably about to start very soon here one way or another, it's a little late to join directly but it's sort of it your area (Only seperated by three countries...)

Thanks for the linky.

Good to see a lot of the first tier powers are looking that a way, it seems.

i am new and i was wondering if it was two late for me to join. My stats are

The kingdom of donghadee golf club
Poulation: 7 million
Draft: 3%
Regular Army: 100000
Irregular Miltia: 1000
National Defence Force: 109000
Government: Consitutional Monarchy
Territory claim where ever is free

HMMM my neighbor to the south, I think we need to discuss things as we are enighbors and we have some nice little things to discuss. yes we sure do. *Nods*

are signups still on if they are i would like to apply

Kingdom of Donaghadee golf club
Population 7million
Draft 3%
Regular army 100000
Irregular Army 1000
The Miltia 109000
I will take where ever is left

Inland if possible

are signups still on if they are i would like to apply

Kingdom of Donaghadee golf club
Population 7million
Draft 3%
Regular army 100000
Irregular Army 1000
The Miltia 109000
I will take where ever is left

ummm.... no you won't. there are 7 million gets you three territories. there are certainly more than that in Europe [even if they are in odd places] and a lot more than that [oh so many more than that] in the rest of the world if you go check the colonial thread.

please read the rules in the first post.

are signups still on if they are i would like to apply

Kingdom of Donaghadee golf club
Population 7million
Draft 3%
Regular army 100000
Irregular Army 1000
The Miltia 109000
I will take where ever is left

You should read the first post - you have to divide your NS pop by 250, which would mean you are no where near even getting one country, though your allowed to round it to two million if your too small, which would allow you one plot. :)

then could i get one place in cental europe

ANY COUNTRY THAT'S FREE I WILL TAKE! Mi countries name is the peoples republic of Mussleburgh.

then could i get one place in cental europe

stick 'm between Warsaw and Germany. perfect spot.

i thought that was calculated population, thus the previous "three territories" comment.

also:

This Is Important:

Osteia's Demise (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525610) requires Immyr and Lyon delegates at peace talks. possibly also German and [probably not, but *shrug*] Illar delegates.

oh, and if it looks weird? it's because i wasn't quite sure how to write the mobility doctrine. suffice to say there's a lot more "zip around, cut 'em off, and hit 'em in the rear' type combat that isn't mentioned *laughs*

also:

This Is Important:

Osteia's Demise (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525610) requires Immyr and Lyon delegates at peace talks. possibly also German and [probably not, but *shrug*] Illar delegates.

oh, and if it looks weird? it's because i wasn't quite sure how to write the mobility doctrine. suffice to say there's a lot more "zip around, cut 'em off, and hit 'em in the rear' type combat that isn't mentioned *laughs*

I'll reply. Do I basically have to say I'll join peace talks?

I'll reply. Do I basically have to say I'll join peace talks?

pretty much.

of course, if you could set it up too, that'd be great. i kinda suck at beginnings.

if not, i'll get to it. it just won't be very good *laughs*

stick 'm between Warsaw and Germany. perfect spot.

i thought that was calculated population, thus the previous "three territories" comment.

Don't. You'll have no room for expantion. I'd suggest being outside of Europe.

Don't. You'll have no room for expansion. I'd suggest being outside of Europe.

i'll admit to being a little evil, i suggested that slot deliberately. mostly because the empty space in the map annoys me.

and what do you mean "no room for expansion"? as a rule, you're not Allowed to invade uncontrolled territory. 'sides, all he has to do is look at the diplomatic situation and take advantage of it... there's room for LOTS of gain there, believe it or not.

at least the way things are going now.

i'll admit to being a little evil, i suggested that slot deliberately. mostly because the empty space in the map annoys me.

and what do you mean "no room for expansion"? as a rule, you're not Allowed to invade uncontrolled territory. 'sides, all he has to do is look at the diplomatic situation and take advantage of it... there's room for LOTS of gain there, believe it or not.

at least the way things are going now.

Much as I'm sure Warsaw (Turkbikistan) would hate to admit it there are plenty of ways for him (Golf Club dude) to expand given the...volatility of Central Europe right now.

i will take it

My army is
drafted 5%
Size regular army 68540
Miltia 31460 (miltia spending is low and we only supply weapons and 1 day a month training, only called up in an emerengence. So a low cost force)
Weaons Officer: Pistol
Private: Bolt action rifle
NCO:Bolt action rifle
Company 80 men commanded by a captain
3 platoons of 26 command by a Lieutenant
Battalion 5 companies plus command, A maxim gun (3 man crew), 4 Lewis guns (2 man crew) and another Platoon (usally kept in garrision, recruiting etc)
450 officers and men
5 battalions in a brigade plus 1 company
3 Brigade per division plus one artillery Regiment (450 men,60 guns),1 command company and an armoured car company
1 Division 7600 men
1 corp= 4 divisions plus one cavalry Brigade 3 Battalions strong with a regiment of horse artillery (450 men and 45 guns) the corps also has a supply brigade of 2 Battalions and 2 motor car supply companies. The corps also has a command company
Corp strength 31460
2 corps
We have a Flying corps
Made up of 2000 men
made up of 4 regiment of 25 planes
4 battalions of Engineers
1 Battalion of intellengence
1 medical Battalion(all officers and spread throughout the army)
1 experimental battalion
1 Battalion of Foreign Service
Brigade commander= Brigadier General
Division= Major General
Corps=Lieutenant General
an Army= General (only formed in an emergency)
The army= Marshal

Mmm, I like people whose officers carry different weapons/wear different uniforms.
It means the officers get to die first :D

So does the enemy wearing bright colors. Someone bring bright colors back.

so am i in

i would like to know so i could start

When HT approves you, you're in.

can i have somewhere in europe that is not landlocked

hate to be annoying but am in plz tell me

Ok, couple of things:
1) I'm pretty sure all of N. Africa is claimed as colonies from the main map.
2) If you were the last person to post in a thread, it's best to edit in anything new you have to say, rather than load on new posts.
3) I know it's anal, but a bit of spelling and whatnot is nice (spellcheck, wonderful thing). Oh, and capital letters. They are your friend.

Oh, and finally, as stated, once Hyperspatial Travel, whose thread this is, posts that you're accepted...then you're in. If you really want to get cracking, you can work on a fact-book and whatnot...if you want any pointers on how to write one, there's a bunch of links on the first post to them.

hate to be annoying but am in plz tell me

can i have somewhere in europe that is not landlocked

No. No you're not. There's a map on the front page. Look at it and tell me why you're not getting anything.

sorry can i then have one of the places in france, it will be called the kingdon Nerom

I'm not here to make your choices for you. Same with Lyonnais, when he chose. Choose the province you want.

i will chose the one that has a border with illar, lyon and Italian social republic, so the sourthern most province of france

do you know the province i mean

Alot of nations are getting inactive again.

Alot of nations are getting inactive again.

As for myself were having finals, mine are rather lighter than usual this year but I suspect that's what most people are doing.

lets see... germany, waldenburg, the Anj Reich, Incognitia, illar, all significantly active. immyr and lyon, active or semi-active. warsaw, active. byzantium... quite, but active. ireland, active [though not exactly interacting]. jagaro, active.

anyone else i'm missing?

the far east of Europe, and the south east, are quiet at least in part because there's nothing going on down there, and i think they're taking a wait and see aproche.

though some of them might be outright inactive. scotland hasn't been heard from in quite some time.

Scotland is gone, Caxistan hasn't been heard in awhile, Wolfestein is gone again, the Czechal-Prussian Empire and Herel haven't been heard of, the New Roman Empire too, along with a few others.

Seriously, if you want this RP to get going, active factions should have more important roles. Incognitia, Bautzen, Immyr and Lyon, Anj Reich, Ireland, myself etc are always online

Scotland is gone, Caxistan hasn't been heard in awhile, Wolfestein is gone again, the Czechal-Prussian Empire and Herel haven't been heard of, the New Roman Empire too, along with a few others.

I seen him though but not in this RP

I'm interested as hell. :) Any spots?

I'm interested as hell. :) Any spots?

check the map on the front page for spots in europe. then check the colony thread [linked either in the first post, or in the hub thread which i believe is linked in the first post] for other places [don't get colonies, don't get to be technological innovators]. allowing for the first come first served claim system, of course.

if, having looked at what can be claimed by you in accordance with the first post, you can't find something you like, wait a bit. every now and then HT clears out the inactives, opening up their territories again.

HT do you know the spot i mean

It's done. Oh, and the New Roman Empire is BALEETED. 'cause he's most assuredly inactive.

I'd like the part of Italy that faces the Adrinic (sp?) sea. Is that possible.

I'd like the part of Italy that faces the Adrinic (sp?) sea. Is that possible.

You mean the Adriatic, right. I think its open now that the NRE just got the big boot.

England is mine!

RP to be up ASAP

I'd be more active but most diplomacy is going on in Central Europe and none of my neighbors were deleted so I couldn't take them over.

Can I take a province or two from the Balkan Empire, or Lycurgan (haven't seen him around)

I'd be more active but most diplomacy is going on in Central Europe and none of my neighbors were deleted so I couldn't take them over.

Can I take a province or two from the Balkan Empire, or Lycurgan (haven't seen him around)

Hopefully your greedy little eyes arent looking towards the Bosphorous Straight, for if that player leaves I have every intention of taking it.:D

I've lost track. have we heard from Switzerland lately?

and with the Irish expanding into formerly Scottish territory....

hummm.

I noticed I was mentioned as an inactive nation.I'd just like to point out that I am not inactive,Turkbikistan just considers me inactive because I don't talk to him.

You mean the Adriatic, right. I think its open now that the NRE just got the big boot.

Yeah, then I'll take that spot.

Name: The Empire of Trutica
Background: The Empire of Trutica is a coastal country lining the Adriatic sea. Its relativley isolationist history provides it with no political ties, both a dangerous setback and a considerable advantage in such turbulent times for Europe. The Trutican people are quire patriotic, and have expressed absolutely no disdain since a draft was announced last year. The mount up of soldiers and arms is supposedly in preparation for an imminent global military breakout.

You mean the Adriatic, right. I think its open now that the NRE just got the big boot.

*snerk* i only just noticed this but.....

don't you mean it just Lost the big boot?

*laughs*

Illar Empire, Immyr and Anj Empire are invited to a summit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12619120&posted=1#post12619120

Swiss may well be inactive, not seen them since they responded to ASHAW...some time ago.

Speaking of which, Germany, once you're next on, what's the status there? Any chance of progress?

Oh, and Haneastic, you take any of the Balkan Empire, any at all (but especially near me) and your efforts will be comprehensively stomped upon. Was bad enough having him there...we prefer anarchy on our borders to actual nations ;)

i don't think the italian social republic is active

He is. He hasn't posted much, but he informs me he is writing the beginnings of an RP involving the lands to his south...and maybe also those to his north.

Swiss may well be inactive, not seen them since they responded to ASHAW...some time ago.

Speaking of which, Germany, once you're next on, what's the status there? Any chance of progress?

Oh, and Haneastic, you take any of the Balkan Empire, any at all (but especially near me) and your efforts will be comprehensively stomped upon. Was bad enough having him there...we prefer anarchy on our borders to actual nations ;)

Now, now, I'm sure we can come to some osrt of compromise

and Bautzen: I'm a lot closer, just try it

Now, now, I'm sure we can come to some osrt of compromise

and Bautzen: I'm a lot closer, just try it

Not really, we both border part of that province on one side of the straight. And dont tempt me because I'm all too willing to oblige. But, we dont have to worry about that until/unless such an event comes to pass and we can always try a diplomatic solution.

Map is updated, Trutica is now on the map. This weekend with end with the deletion of the Balkan Empire, provided that no activity from him is forthcoming. Keep in mind, Trutica, I'm expecting a population figure, and, at the least, a % of the people in the army figure, hopefully in a factbook thread.

Oh, and expect my activity to rapidly decline as we approach Monday. And from Monday to Friday, if I'm active, it'll be because I'm trying to forget what I'm meant to be doing - y'know, studying for my next enroaching exam. After that, though, a nice active glow will spread over us all.

Map is updated, Trutica is now on the map. This weekend with end with the deletion of the Balkan Empire, provided that no activity from him is forthcoming. Keep in mind, Trutica, I'm expecting a population figure, and, at the least, a % of the people in the army figure, hopefully in a factbook thread.

Oh, and expect my activity to rapidly decline as we approach Monday. And from Monday to Friday, if I'm active, it'll be because I'm trying to forget what I'm meant to be doing - y'know, studying for my next enroaching exam. After that, though, a nice active glow will spread over us all.

*Grumbles darkly* Here, here. I know what your feeling mate you might notice the odd hours I've been on at.

*Grumbles darkly* Here, here. I know what your feeling mate you might notice the odd hours I've been on at.

i would gloat about having got away from such things... but i suspect it would be bad for my health.


and... the map appears unchanged? probably something to do with my comp, but *shrugs*

*Grumbles darkly* Here, here. I know what your feeling mate you might notice the odd hours I've been on at.

If I knew what timezone you were in, I might know if you were on at odd hours or not.

Somone said that you could not have fighter aircraft but read the first section of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps

Somone said that you could not have fighter aircraft but read the first section of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Flying_Corps

The ban on fighters takes two parts.
One is on interruptor gear - making effective fighters impossible to achieve.
The other is more general, on machine-gun equipped fighter aircraft generally.

This is reflected in tales of the early Great War, wherein pilots were known to take potshots with rifles, flare guns, and even attempt dropping bricks on one another.
Things will change swiftly enough once we have a general war going on.

read the first section it says
Formed by Royal Warrant on 13 May 1912, the RFC superseded the Air Battalion of the Royal Engineers. By the end of that year, it had 12 manned balloons and 36 biplane fighter aircraft. The RFC was intended to have had separate military and naval branches. The Royal Navy however was not keen on having naval aviation under the control of an Army corps and formed its own Royal Naval Air Service.

A passing reference to 'biplane fighters' on wiki really doesn't suffice, especially given the clear fact that aircraft were not fitted with machine-guns at the start of the war.

The wiki article would be better if it read "36 biplanes" or "36 heavier than air craft".

Vickers designed an armed biplane in 1913
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/vickers-fb5.htm
http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/Year9/firstworldwar/1914/december.htm
I can find more

I am not trying to be annoying but search the first fighter aircraft it will come up with the Vickers FB5 maiden flight 1913. It is the synchronised systems that are not designed until the middle of the war

According to the source you yourself linked, the Vickers doesn't come into frontline service til late 1914...(thus, after the outbreak of the war)
Basically, just accept it. You can have aircraft, and obviously everyone has machine guns. Once a war is going on, it won't take too long for the two to be put together.

Speaking of which, Germany, once you're next on, what's the status there? Any chance of progress?

Oh, right. 'Bout that, would it be OK with you if I RP'd one of the two anarchists being caught alive (that petrified guy that got hit in the belly, most probably) and then have him executed and the Swiss Connection expanded upon (tie-in with Warzaw Conference. I'll see if I can be on MSN about 14 o'clock GMT), instead of having all of these awfully short posts about who inspects whose passport when and how?

A quick google gives maiden flight in June 1914 for the FB5, and RAF museum (http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/vickers-fb5.htm) says that ''the first true fighter squadron'' was formed in 1915.
Maiden flight 1914, introduced in service 1915 (http://www.answers.com/topic/vickers-f-b-5)
Experimental armed aircraft ordered in 1912, ad hoc experiments on the front by 1914 and the first delivered FB5 in 1915 (http://www.firstworldwar.com/airwar/earlyfighters.htm)

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/vickers-fb5.htm
says "The Vickers FB5 was designed before the outbreak of the First World War with the specific purpose of carrying a machine gun. The layout, which placed the engine behind the pilot, was chosen to give a clear field of fire to the gunner in the front cockpit."

I know this isn't the place for this, but it is the most likely to be seen by Jagaro and really he's taking his time over this, quite advisable really but can't wiat forever.


IC
Waldenburger Imperial Decree

Due to a unfortunate event in the conference pretaining to the Unlawful annexation of Groddenburg, Waldenburg is offering a ulitmatum and a time limit to the government of Jagaro. Prince Edward has two days (Rl as well as in game) to announce the removal and hand over of Groddenburg to Waldenburg in exchange for one of Waldenburg's colonial provinces of their choosing. If this is not complied with His Majesty will consider it an occupation of rightful Waldenburg territory and consider it declaration of war on the Waldenburg Empire, by the principality of jagaro. In the case of war all methods shall be used to obtain the rightful property of the Empire, whatever the circumstances.

His Majesty apologizes as he is told by a subject that Prince edward is a man of great honor and quite worty of his title, however he has encroached on the Waldenburg Empire's soveriengty, and all such threats shall be dealt with in the future in a similar fashion as may be in two days.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt Von Waldenburg III


OOC I'll TG him too, hopefully he'll respond.

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/vickers-fb5.htm
says "The Vickers FB5 was designed before the outbreak of the First World War with the specific purpose of carrying a machine gun. The layout, which placed the engine behind the pilot, was chosen to give a clear field of fire to the gunner in the front cockpit."
Yes, I did post the exact same link, and a few more that went further into hte subject (in particular the last one) right above your post.

Oh, right. 'Bout that, would it be OK with you if I RP'd one of the two anarchists being caught alive (that petrified guy that got hit in the belly, most probably) and then have him executed and the Swiss Connection expanded upon (tie-in with Warzaw Conference. I'll see if I can be on MSN about 14 o'clock GMT)

Missed ya on msn, but yeah, sure. That's the whole reason I RPed them trying to leave the country, rather than having them go to ground.
Not sure about the tie-in with Warsaw, but if you can pull it off at the same standard as the rest of the plot so far, I'm sure I'll be ok with it.

the first squadron was formed in 1915 but the fighter was designed as a fighter and it flew before the war

the first squadron was formed in 1915 but the fighter was designed as a fighter and it flew before the war

Like I, or rather the links I posted, said.

@TI
Yeah, but I meant doing it all in one post so we can finally get this plot moving at a decent speed.

Ok..... Golf Clubs? get over it. them's the rules, them's what we're playing with. fact remains it didn't become common enough to be strategically significant until quite some time later. and it's lead to some.... interesting.... [viable] tech in this RP.

Regardless of all that, HT, when you get to it, you're 'updated' map still has Osteia on it. heh. might want to fix that when you get the chance.

Yeah, but I meant doing it all in one post so we can finally get this plot moving at a decent speed.

Feel free. Take control and run it, do as you please.

As long as you respect the basic point of what those guys don't know, you can do as you want with them.

(basically they don't know anything leading back beyond Switzerland, though they may have contacts/plans involving Warsaw).

If I knew what timezone you were in, I might know if you were on at odd hours or not.

Usually I'm posting at 8PM or (often) later, and 6AM here. Its EST, I got home earlier than usual today so I decided to post before I got to work studying and stuff.

I know this isn't the place for this, but it is the most likely to be seen by Jagaro and really he's taking his time over this, quite advisable really but can't wiat forever.


IC
Waldenburger Imperial Decree

Due to a unfortunate event in the conference pretaining to the Unlawful annexation of Groddenburg, Waldenburg is offering a ulitmatum and a time limit to the government of Jagaro. Prince Edward has two days (Rl as well as in game) to announce the removal and hand over of Groddenburg to Waldenburg in exchange for one of Waldenburg's colonial provinces of their choosing. If this is not complied with His Majesty will consider it an occupation of rightful Waldenburg territory and consider it declaration of war on the Waldenburg Empire, by the principality of jagaro. In the case of war all methods shall be used to obtain the rightful property of the Empire, whatever the circumstances.

His Majesty apologizes as he is told by a subject that Prince edward is a man of great honor and quite worty of his title, however he has encroached on the Waldenburg Empire's soveriengty, and all such threats shall be dealt with in the future in a similar fashion as may be in two days.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt Von Waldenburg III


OOC I'll TG him too, hopefully he'll respond.

Is this posted in the main thread? That is the condemnation thread? Sorry I didnt post this with my first reponse I simply didnt notice it and I'm in a bit of a rush.

I know this isn't the place for this, but it is the most likely to be seen by Jagaro and really he's taking his time over this, quite advisable really but can't wiat forever.


IC
Waldenburger Imperial Decree

Due to a unfortunate event in the conference pretaining to the Unlawful annexation of Groddenburg, Waldenburg is offering a ulitmatum and a time limit to the government of Jagaro. Prince Edward has two days (Rl as well as in game) to announce the removal and hand over of Groddenburg to Waldenburg in exchange for one of Waldenburg's colonial provinces of their choosing. If this is not complied with His Majesty will consider it an occupation of rightful Waldenburg territory and consider it declaration of war on the Waldenburg Empire, by the principality of jagaro. In the case of war all methods shall be used to obtain the rightful property of the Empire, whatever the circumstances.

His Majesty apologizes as he is told by a subject that Prince edward is a man of great honor and quite worty of his title, however he has encroached on the Waldenburg Empire's soveriengty, and all such threats shall be dealt with in the future in a similar fashion as may be in two days.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt Von Waldenburg III


OOC I'll TG him too, hopefully he'll respond.


just finished responding on the therad and sorry about the delay been busy.

I was out for a little bit. What did I miss?

check your fackfile

how far into a war would we need to get submachine guns or tanks

how far into a war would we need to get submachine guns or tanks

Well tanks only if we get to trench warfare would it become neccesary, and wouldn't take to much innovation to get considering armored cars and all that.

As for submachine guns, I believe the first was a beretta make in 1915, but they really didn't come to field use till 1917 and 1918. And considering we can't achieve the level of war that happened in Europe simply due to poulation, it probably will take even longer for anyone to come up with the submachine gun.
Probably about 3 years of hard combat, though everyone's always looking for a leg up, so really depending on your level of industry, science, and involvement in the war. For waldenburg it would probably be 3, 4 years of hard combat before we thought of it, but I think it differs.

it was 1914 by the Italians

it was 1914 by the Italians

Yes, but not used in combat till 1915, just looked it up. Again it's the difference of having machine guns and airplanes and putting the two togeather.

Berreta introduced it's gun in 1918, my mistake there.

HT i sent you a technology request via TG.

HT i sent you a technology request via TG.

Just out of curiosity OOCly what are you looking to get?

Just out of curiosity OOCly what are you looking to get?

Well if you read my latest post in, Unlawful you can get the basic jist of it, it's probably best that nobody knows for the moment but the world will know soon enough. It's realistic just another of those things that hasn't been put togeather yet.

ooc: Waldenburg, so as not to further clutter my thread, i'll say it here.

admittedly i was writing after 2am.

but I'm reasonably sure, if you read the bold ooc section at the top of the page there, it does say that it takes place that month, AFTER my guys have been told what happens. admittedly Rapidly after the results of the negotiations, for strategic reasons.

you'll also note that it is, indeed, meant to be 'unprovoked' after a fashion.

what idiot would go up against an enemy who outnumbers them three to one on land and more at sea, AND wait until that enemy had time to bring those troops into full readiness?

this is actually that plan that was sent off to Illar under pain of death for the diplomat in question some time ago, you know :) i had been hoping to get a thread of the diplomacy there so that it didn't seem to come out of the blue, but it never happened.

so, yeah, 'unprovoked aggression' or not, this is planned for, and it's happening. you can't argue it away based on that.

if that was not your intent with the ooc statement to which i refer, then I'd like to know what was.

ooc: Waldenburg, so as not to further clutter my thread, i'll say it here.

admittedly i was writing after 2am.

but I'm reasonably sure, if you read the bold ooc section at the top of the page there, it does say that it takes place that month, AFTER my guys have been told what happens. admittedly Rapidly after the results of the negotiations, for strategic reasons.

you'll also note that it is, indeed, meant to be 'unprovoked' after a fashion.

what idiot would go up against an enemy who outnumbers them three to one on land and more at sea, AND wait until that enemy had time to bring those troops into full readiness?

this is actually that plan that was sent off to Illar under pain of death for the diplomat in question some time ago, you know :) i had been hoping to get a thread of the diplomacy there so that it didn't seem to come out of the blue, but it never happened.

so, yeah, 'unprovoked aggression' or not, this is planned for, and it's happening. you can't argue it away based on that.

if that was not your intent with the ooc statement to which i refer, then I'd like to know what was.

By all means invaded unprovakedly if you wish, I am merely saying that perhaps I will not declare war on Jagaro, and that it seems rather irrelevant if I did not. I probably will but, perhaps something will come up. Besides that I was a little confused by your wording of it.

Here is my main question are you just jumping now or waiting a week after our declaration of war on Jagaro? I'd say just straight attack, but with all the reference to the "State of war" it confused me. I apologize for this but it's late here as well and if someone could explain it to me in words of one syllable I would be eternally greatful.

At any rate I have already begin mobilization (Not for an Invasion of Jagaro at all we swear ;) ), and previosuly Waldenburg placed at least half my fleet on standby, that alone will help us in mobilization.

On a logistical note the border between our two nations is 68 kilometers, which on my side is heavily fortified to the point of insanity (Mentioned previosously along with the fact that my Army combat style tends towards the defensive.) Even with only about 10,000 men defending it and my navy nipping your heels, you'd be very hard pressed to break it severely. Also the highest elevation in the country is 171 meters it's the ideal place for a defensive war the way my army would fight it.

Hey all, i posted on the new claim thread my claim, but no one has come to clarify if it is accepted or not...

Hey all, i posted on the new claim thread my claim, but no one has come to clarify if it is accepted or not...

That would be for HT to do as he is the mod or head or whatever. He's got alot to do right now so I'd say check back at least once a day but it may be a couple before he says anything.

On a logistical note the border between our two nations is 68 kilometers, which on my side is heavily fortified to the point of insanity (Mentioned previosously along with the fact that my Army combat style tends towards the defensive.) Even with only about 10,000 men defending it and my navy nipping your heels, you'd be very hard pressed to break it severely. Also the highest elevation in the country is 171 meters it's the ideal place for a defensive war the way my army would fight it.

Interested as to how having virtually no elevation *helps* when on the defensive...we'll see, I guess.

Oh, and I may have been unclear, but Incognitia is not a democracy. It's a dictatorship which pays a fair degree of attention to the will of the people, and has a fair degree of popular legitimacy, but there are no elections, and the popular mood can be ignored, though at the Tyrant's own risk.

umm.. question, Waldenburg: when and where was it ever mentioned that your border with me was heavily fortified?

i never saw it. if that's the case, scrap the whole thing. I'm not getting into a trench war.

also, for that matter, when and where did you begin mobilizing, at least on a large scale wand with an eye toward defense in Denmark?? i never saw That either....

I'm reasonably sure i stated somewhere ICly that all my stuff was pretty active because of Germany, and there was that whole bit in Osteia, but I'm not sure. i know i mentioned it OOCly plenty of times to various people.

umm.. question, Waldenburg: when and where was it ever mentioned that your border with me was heavily fortified?

i never saw it. if that's the case, scrap the whole thing. I'm not getting into a trench war.

also, for that matter, when and where did you begin mobilizing, at least on a large scale wand with an eye toward defense in Denmark?? i never saw That either....

I'm reasonably sure i stated somewhere ICly that all my stuff was pretty active because of Germany, and there was that whole bit in Osteia, but I'm not sure. i know i mentioned it OOCly plenty of times to various people.

For starting mobilization it was in Unlawful and if you check my factbook it states the the grand army is seperated into different armies, two in the north and one on our border. They may all be moved north later, but because of the draft system we implicate it's fairly logical to assume they head to the closest army. However I just started yesterday, so millitias is probably the only thing guarding the line at the moment. In my factbook I mention there's forts and castles on the line, I'm sure I went into more detail then that later but that too alludes me, I'll look for it.

But consider that Waldenburg has been slapping a lot of faces practically all the important ones, and we wouldn't have been doing that unless we had a fairly good chance of us coming out victorious. Perahaps the word insanity is a bit much, but it is fortified.

Incognita, elevation helped in both Danish-Prussian wars, the Danish army used it to encircle the Germans on both occasions using light, fast travel. Unfortunately for the Danes they were heavily outnumbered the second time, and the Germans had also learned a bit from last time. After you break the line it's going to be more blitzkrieg then trench warfare. Sorry about the whole democracy ordeal, if you can't tell It's becoming increasingly difficult to study and post often, bad reading again.

Oh, it's alright, Incognitia is closer to democracy than Waldenburg at least, so it's a possible insult from Felix even if it isn't true.

@Anj, don't sweat the defences; some level of defence was only to be expected. This just makes what I suggested all the more vital; a bit of reconsideration on a specific issue I raised with you might be helpful as well.

Infiltration tactics might, in this case, be more immediately helpful than assault...so remember the original uses of the pa which you keep telling me about.
I don't think it should take more than a couple of days to substantially break the line.

Oh, and as to the elevation....eh, I admit my knowledge of the Danish-Prussian wars is distinctly limited. As things progress I might look into it.

well, at the very least, disregard that post. more significant defensive works require a significant re-think of the strategy, and i think my guys would be significantly more in touch with the reality of the situation than I apparently was...

I'm going to have to re-think this *le sigh*

I'll edit that post then point you back at it once it's correct and things, shall i?

might not be right now, mind, it's 4am and i haven't slept yet.

edit:

Wait a minute! by heavily fortified do you mean this?

"Army of the Line (based on German Danish Border) 85,000 Infantry, 5,000 Cavalry. 10,000 Artillerymen (there are four forts and one castle on the border)"

I'm sorry, but... how is that heavily fortified? castles are obsolete and have been for over a century at least by now, forts can be by passed.... yeash, i was thinking you ment something like the Mangenot line or something :S

ok, forget previous statements. give me a map showing where the forts and castle Are, and I'll give you routs where by my guys go around them [as was originally the plan for any defenses Anyway]

that nice level ground you were talking about working in my favor :)

Of course Forts can also buy someone time. Leaving a heavily defended Fort behind your lines can cause a heap of problems. And so most forts are simply overwhelmed by firepower. But, they take a few days to do so. Look up the Belgian Fortresses that bought a few days. THose days can be vital.

Everything above very true. Although it's not just the forts there is some barbed wire, and prepepared trenches and some foxholes dug, but it's not insane so much. There aren't minefields and pillboxes (There will be if you fail the first attack though.) No it's get's insane when the full troop number arrive. According to numbers (Admittedly by germans) for Allied members of the Spring offensive compared to the size of the westren front comes to somewhere slightly above 2000 per kilometer. In comparison with 100,000 on 68 kilometers comes to about 1500 per kilometer, and with our army sizes piercing that would be hell.

It also obvious we shouldn't be listing all our defenses and some should be self explanatory we'd never be off NS. It won't be a cake walk still even with 10,000, I stand by my earlier statement of difficulty although probably not to the level you thought.

Perhaps Incognita has something, Waldenburg internal security is hardly effective agents could just slip across the border back and forth multiple times daily. Of course that gives me time to mobilize, if you try infiltration but that might give you a better chance of wiping out my army, then attacking a portion of it taking casualties then facing the main body. Either way it'll probably get a little dirty.

I shall post a small summary of the defnese, and geography and a like in the Roll of dice so you may begin your attack.

A brief message. I was talking to Anj this morning, in the middle of which, icons kept disappearing all over my PC. Weird, thought I. So I decided to restart the computer, so I could fix this little problem up.

A few hours later, spent trying to reinstall Windows, I finally accept the truth. My PC asplode. Thus, if someone would care to volunteer to edit the map upon new members joining, I'd be most grateful.

(I lost a lot of stuff, and quite a bit of 1914-related stuff, so I'm going to be very, very, very, very awkward when trying to fight this war. For one thing, all those nice stats I created for my dreadnoughts and battlecruisers last night are gone. And my music. And games. And... *sniff*. Yeah. I'm not happy. Not at all.)

I can do the map; already did the once, I can do it again.

I assume the European map is currently up to date?

I can do the map; already did the once, I can do it again.

I assume the European map is currently up to date?

well, if you ignore the lack of editing Osteia out, basically, yeah.

I've got an image of the changes needed there somewhere. [massively cropped the map before making them, of course] so if i see you on MSN i can send that to you and that change can be made.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12641807#post12641807

The faces are slapped, respond accordiningly.

does anyone have a link to stats on zepplins and their weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtte-Lanz

biggest chunk of zeppelin info I've ever found in one place that was actually useful.

some early ones were adapted for bombing.

later ones were mini-aircraft carriers armed with MGs.

also: they're friken expensive.

Just MGs and bombs anything heavier

also does anyone als know how many people and bombs a zepplins culd carry

I'm still here as a note, nothing important's happened to me

Terribly sorry for being away so long. I'll try to catch up tomorrow.
Could someone be a very nice chap and tell me in what threads the major action is happening? That diplomatic meeting 'tween Waldenburg, TI and the rest went sour I know; what news of the investigation of the assassination and the succession of the Waldenburg prince top the throne? Has anything happened in TSHAW? What of Illar - will he be involved in the war against Waldenburg? Did Wolfestein do anything I need to know?

lets see... the war started [it's currently experiencing some... 'technical'... difficulties] http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526672 for IC. also says near the end what's up with Illar regarding that war.

i don't know about Wolfenstein.

regarding the investigation of the Waldenburg emperor's death... i don't think there Was one, was there? at least not a very serious one. I'm pretty sure it was Felix who was responsible anyway :D

as for the shot heard around the world...

your lack of responses somehow resulted in a war that had it's beginnings in an event that took place months later, at least, happening first. i'm pretty sure it's waiting on You.

As a note to all, I have moderately significant exams coming up. They'll be over in just under three weeks; until then really I'm only posting when skiving off revision, so please don't encourage me ;)

starting on wednesday i will have exams for a week and will only be on a little

Relative Liberty i think we should form an alliance

also i think we should find out who is active

*Raises Hand*

I'm active!

I'm still around, it's been dead though

*Raises Two Hands, and waves*

I've been active, here at least.

you know, we basically did a list of who was and wasn't active not that long ago.

but for the record, I'm still here.

the problem is nothing is happening except in waldenbourg

So make something happen. Try expanding into the one white province near you, see what happens.
Make trouble with Lyon.
Start trying to bribe and cajole Illar officials in your border provinces.
RP that spy you sent to Egypt.

There are always options. If you really want your bit of the RP to move, start moving it.

He's right (TI that is) I mean if you really look at it I shouldnt be part of the Waldenburg affair, but I decided to take the part of the country who "stands up for the little man." The result being I'm now caught up in an interesting situation. There is always something you can do, just look at what China was going to do before he (apparently) went defunct.

I'm still here (Lyon) - I'm just playing it quiet though currently. ;) Though I know of the Waldenburg affair, my input isn't really needed yet.

what was china's plans

Relative Liberty i think we should form an alliance

How would such an agreement benefit me?

I would support you in any wars

China was planning on having war games held to compete for the oppertunity to send men to train his army. He was also going to have weapon competitions to compare different nations weaponry and to decide which he would mist benefit from buying.

I intend to create my own version of the Le Prieur Rocket for my Zepplins and other uses

I intend to create my own version of the Le Prieur Rocket for my Zepplins and other uses

because rockets [driven by external combustion] are such a great weapon for zeppelins [kept aloft by way of being full of hydrogen, which goes BOOM when exposed to flame]

... there is no sarcasm here.

no

none at all

zero

zip.


stop looking at me like that.

ok good point i did not think i just need good weapons for my zepplins, but i am still going to develop a version of the Le Prieur

because rockets [driven by external combustion] are such a great weapon for zeppelins [kept aloft by way of being full of hydrogen, which goes BOOM when exposed to flame]

... there is no sarcasm here.

no

none at all

zero

zip.


stop looking at me like that.

Damnit you beat me to it!!

Damnit you beat me to it!!

arrr. i is a ninja! rar!

arrr. i is a ninja! rar!

*is found cowering in fear under bed*

"ninja...ninja...he..ninja"

can i invade a country with no country in it if it will make the rp sooo much more exciting

also can you put light cannons on zepplins

You could try and attack me? Though bear in mind I have more land than you, and probably better relations with some powerful nations (Illar, though he is away from this RP for a while) - and you'd have to come up with a great reason (which would be hard, I'm quite clean). But apart from that we are pretty even. Not that I really want you too, but if your that desperate to get involved.

Nerom...you know that if you post something, then think of something else, you can edit your first post?

It's fair enough if someone else has posted in between, but if no-one's posted since what you last wrote, edit is the way to go.

As far as getting involved is concerned, if you want a go at Lyon, you'll probably want to see if you can get Immyr's support, on some pretext or other, then a bit of posturing, then invade.
Something on the lines of Unlawful Annexation might do the trick.

sorry but what if i invade a blank spot and no i do not want to invade you Honako. I have an evil plan

I would support you in any wars

1. Such an offe rshould be made IC in an IC thread, not in an OOC thread.

2. I mean no offence, but I'm fairly certain I said ''benefit''.
Yours is a one province country. You cannot offer me any advantages that outweighs the fact that I'm forced to compromise my diplomatic freedom for the sake of a one province country which I have no interest in whatsoever. You do not control vital trade routes, you do not possess vital natural resources, yours is not a powerful nation with which I need to be on good terms.
I am in the middle of striking a deal with my worst enemies, a very delicate episode in a nation's history mind you, and I do not wish to upset any balance in the diplomatic machinery that is Europe.

If it is no i will not need to strike a deal but you will pay if you do not mark my words

You are ICly threatening Germany in an OOC thread for declining an offer of alliance that hasn't even been roleplayed?

ok i will do it offically but where

You cannot be serious, can you? I mean honestly he'll steamroll you and I would support his right to do that too. Honestly your probably better off making alliances with your neighbors and hoping someone destroys the Illarian Empire so you can carve yourself out a piece of his territory.

ok i will do it offically but where

In territories (and therefore raw manpower) I have a nine to one advantage in numbers (at least). I have unfathomably greater industrial capacity than you. You do not even have a way to reach me for goodness' sake! You're a landlocked one province country with no land route to me.
What would you do even if you got to me? Overwhelm me with pure numbers? Nope, can't do that with your population. Bombard me with zeppelin based rockets? By all means, go ahead.
Please, sit down and think through your actions before you type them down.

Hey chaps :) is this still open? And, please explain to me about how exactly I devide by a factor of 250? :S Was never that good with me maths...

Hey chaps :) is this still open? And, please explain to me about how exactly I devide by a factor of 250? :S Was never that good with me maths...

very open. As for joining you take the NS population divided by 250 for your in game population but, since yours after the math is fairly small your allowed to round up to 2 Million. That equals one province at your rounded up pop of 2 million.

i mean offer you an alliance in an IC thread, also can i invade a blank spot

if it's a new deal, you make a new IC thread and link it in the hub thread.

as for invading blank spaces, last i Checked, it was a big no-no. but you Might be able to convince HT otherwise if you have good reason. maybe. it's his decision, ultimately.

In that case! I would like to claim the space below the siberian empire Under the name of the federal republic of eastern europe or simply F.R.E.E

what next to do?

You should be approved, but it may take awile as Hyperspacial Travel has been largely inactive because of exams. Try throwing up a short factbook though.

i mean offer you an alliance in an IC thread, also can i invade a blank spot

You already have somewhere, I think. I haven't responded, and I don't think I will. Some clerk or another probably sent one standard issue ''thanks, but no thanks'' letter back.

You should be approved, but it may take awile as Hyperspacial Travel has been largely inactive because of exams. Try throwing up a short factbook though.

I will do in due time, right now, I must enjoy the scarly warm english weather :)

Hello, I'm that unsightly yellow mass to your south, south-east!

so far as i can tell, everything Currently ongoing is on hold pending HT's return and his appointment of a moderator for the ongoing war :S

just thought I'd mention that.

he should be back in a couple of days though. [posted it oocly in the ic thread for Waldenburg's war, but eh *shrugs* :D]

Will be making another post in Downfall hopefully later today.

Considering the recent ruling against alternative history on II,I think we better move this off-site.
Unfortunately, that invariably leads to the slow decline and death of the RP in question. At least in my experience.

Considering the recent ruling against alternative history on II,I think we better move this off-site.
Unfortunately, that invariably leads to the slow decline and death of the RP in question. At least in my experience.

It's not dead already? Anyway I don't think is this case it applies, we're using our own NS nations the only thing that is the same is the land masses and natural resources. None of Rl Earth's history, so I think it would work. At least if I read the thread correctly.

Considering the recent ruling against alternative history on II,I think we better move this off-site.
Unfortunately, that invariably leads to the slow decline and death of the RP in question. At least in my experience.

actually, unlike most people who responded to it, one way or another, i actually READ that ruling.

THIS RP is completely legit. it uses a map of earth for geographical reasons, yes, but we're playing our own nations [or at least variations based on our NS nations] the borders aren't just RL countries called something else, and, well, we're playing our NS nations, which is the only 'big deal' about it anyway.

oh yeah, Golf Club's stuffed up rip off of this doesn't count. . . he screwed up.

also, you'll note that this isn't Technically alternate history, so far as i can tell, having no true divergence point from rl history. heck, all the populations and races are messed up.

the original Date only gives a tech level, after all.

edit: also, RAR! for my sleep pattern is totally messed up and i just got up.
as for this RP being dead... it's not. just a lot of major players have exams and things around this time, and the war thread needs a ... GM, basically. and i figure it'd be best to let HT sort that. less hassles that way.

so far as i can tell, everything Currently ongoing is on hold pending HT's return and his appointment of a moderator for the ongoing war :S

just thought I'd mention that.

he should be back in a couple of days though. [posted it oocly in the ic thread for Waldenburg's war, but eh *shrugs* :D]
Hey, I would love to be a war-mod, just throwing it out there.

It's not dead already? Anyway I don't think is this case it applies, we're using our own NS nations the only thing that is the same is the land masses and natural resources. None of Rl Earth's history, so I think it would work. At least if I read the thread correctly.
Nah, just going through a chill time, happens to all RPs. Don't get to discouraged just because we aren't rabbit posting enough.

Hey, I would love to be a war-mod, just throwing it out there.


Nah, just going through a chill time, happens to all RPs. Don't get to discouraged just because we aren't rabbit posting enough.

I'd accept that certainly, you're not involved directly and seem experienced.

As for dead ,it is (Was hopefully) certainly dying. I usually give it a week without any activity before I start erasing bookmarks. But I will certainly start again if we can pull the Rpers back togeather.

Put it this way: myself and Anj are definitely still interested. You're still interested. HT has been unavoidably absent.
Relative Liberty goes through absences anyway, and actually posted again recently. Brink is still around. Moorington is still around.

That's enough to keep the RP going, and is only from those who have posted in this thread quite recently.

@ Moorington, I provisionally agree with having you as war mod, but I'd like to talk to you about it first, if you don't mind. Do you have IM? If so, check your TGs.

heh. I'll agree to anyone that either Incognitia or HT thinks is a good idea, unless they disagree over it.

and yeah, the RP's not dead. hopefully it stays that way.

I am certainly still around and following what little action there is. The difficulty for me in staying active can be summed up in just a couple of issues. Mine is a small nation. This makes is difficult to play with the "big boys." Smaller nations, in my experience, tend to be ignored or barely tolerated. While this has not necessarily happened here, it has not been easy to find a place on the internation stage. I realize that some or even most of the blame for that lay squarely on my shoulders. I would simply urge the larger, more experienced players to not forget about the little guys.

Another issue is that geographically speaking, Immyr is far removed from any of the action. At least for now. To combat this, I have been developing some internal scenarios that I will be posting in the coming days. Nothing huge but still important from the Immyrian perspective. :)

actually, Immyr [once the time line catches up to that particular event... silly slow battles :D] is causing the Reich some major headaches with that mobilization bit you pulled. heh.

you're having an effect, all right. just unfortunately sitting right next to HT who is, like, THE super power in this game :D

and you ... sort of... had an effect on the whole Osteia thing. . . . . mostly by way of existing, admittedly :D

if you wanted to do something really spectacular, you could side with waldenburg....

you'd die kinda fast, but you could have some fun with it, i think :)

or expand south, maybe? I'm reasonably sure no one would object much... 'cept maybe the little guys in your way [who, by the by, you're bigger than :P] and having done that... you'd not be so small anymore. though you'd have 'internal' issues, i guess.

I'm still here just been waiting for a war mod. to be appointed, HT said that he would be back by this weekend. Fine by me too, as I have some stuff I need to wrap up.

@ Moorington, I provisionally agree with having you as war mod, but I'd like to talk to you about it first, if you don't mind. Do you have IM? If so, check your TGs.

So that's why you TGed me your AIM! LOL, sorry, I just thought you were getting in touch just because...

Snippity-Do-Dah

I'm a tad bored, mind if a detachment of the Cossack Special Regiment influences events?

I am also still hear but like everyone else I am more or less waiting on HT. Also how do I make one of those big fact books that's linked through the nation list

I'll join when the inactive members are weeded out.

I am also still hear but like everyone else I am more or less waiting on HT. Also how do I make one of those big fact books that's linked through the nation list

Make a factbook, link it here or the hub thread, wait for HT to get back and he'll link it to the front post.

i'd suggest linking it in both threads, or just the hub thread, rather than just here.

technically it belongs in the hub thread.

as for what goes into those fact books...

it's just a big post full of all the information you can come up with about your nation, organized into sections for easy reference.

sorry i was awa but now i am back

OOC...
I would like too get involved w/this RP is there is a place left. Could someone please post an updated map?

Thank you in advance,
E.P.D.

Yeah, well Easy, the problem with that is a number of Eastern European Nations have gone AWOL so we have to figure out what to do about them as some *cough*Kansiov*cough* have obligations to active nations which may have an effect on the current crisis so we'll have to wait for HT to return from studying this weekend so he can make a decision. Now I'm going to bed before I have more writing to go through and edit when I'm not half asleep.

Whatever happened to Canland?

I don't even know....

.... ok, i think we've officially got a problem there then *laughs*

i suggest finding out :p

Someone needs to update the hub thread.

HT's thread. he was kinda lazy about it anyway. *laughs* still gotta be him that does it though, really.

i suspect when he gets back he'll spend a while just catching up. heh.


come to think of it, when was he meant to be back again?

i have sent an important message to Germany in the To Escape the Problems of Peace thread, also how would i go about setting up a foreign service force for nerom

I don't even know....

I have a Canland sighting!

i have sent an important message to Germany in the To Escape the Problems of Peace thread, also how would i go about setting up a foreign service force for nemor

By RPing it with good grammer, lucid thought, and a interesting selection of characters.

Nerom will have one tomorrow as i am tired and of to bed

Here's the story. About a month ago, I suffered hard drive failure. Big hard drive failure. Thus, as my computer had an extended warranty, I sent it off to be repaired, secure in the knowledge that it might take a week or two for them to find a replacement hard drive, put it in, and give it back ot me, ready to go.

It's now a month later, and I finally get my PC back. However, there are a few minor complications.

You see, I went to the computer repair shop, and asked for my computer to be "fixed". Apparently they misunderstood me, perhaps because of my quaint habit of speaking words with more than two syallables at a time, and thought I said "fucked."

My computer comes back. Not only is the hard drive no longer working, but my video card (or possibly motherboard) is no longer working, and the computer doesn't register when plugged in to a monitor. There's also a huge dent in the top, and the bottom corner is no longer an 'outie', it's an 'innie'. Oh, and one of the sides is no longer touching the top.

So, yes. My expectation of a quick one-week hard-drive replacement (something I could've done myself if the warranty didn't require me to send it off), has turned into a one-month sojourn ending in my computer being utterly fucked.

Thus, as I'm not sure when I'll be able to post again, consider my involvement in the current war ended (as if it never happened), and Anj, Terror, Waldenburg, and RL all have permission to update the map, and accept people into 1914. New technologies and that sort of stuff, I think, can be discussed between the four of you.

When I get back, my involvement will be as big as ever - but knowing my luck with tradesmen in the computer industry, this will probably be some time around November. Of 2012.

you know, i'm pretty sure there's some legislation that covers that kind of idiocy.

this could get awkward to sort out though.... *sigh*

Guys, Czechal hasn't responded in forever, can we just say I win?

at this point, it's more like entropy wins. [by which i mean the phenomena, not anyone who might happen to have it as a name]

The world is filled with awesome. My computer is back. I am back. Let the games begin.

woo! entropy FTL! rask!

the RP sorta stalled waiting for you, HT.

yeah. it's still how it was when you left. fun, no?

the Empire of West Prussia, i Claim the province between RL Germany and RL Poland



the map says that its free anyway

the Empire of West Prussia, i Claim the province between RL Germany and RL Poland



the map says that its free anyway



the province is free, though how the heck you end up as an empire with That is beyond me *laughs*

though come to think of it, we had a Czech-Prussian empire that was a single territory by the black sea bordering whoever's sitting in Russia for a while, i think...

it's population were not Czechs or Prussians, either. hehe.

though come to think of it, we had a Czech-Prussian empire that was a single territory by the black sea bordering whoever's sitting in Russia for a while, i think...

it's population were not Czechs or Prussians, either. hehe.

Yep, we had one, before that big yellow blob ate it for breakfeast.

oh yeah. it and Osteia are still on the map.

wonder if HT will get around to fixing that now? :D

wonder if HT will get around to fixing that now? :D

Hmm... I wonder when... {hint, hint}

Hmm... I wonder when... {hint, hint}

to be fair, he just got his comp back [last i heard he was playing Doomsday :D] and has an assignment due errr... soonish? today? i dunno.

meanwhile, roll call!

who's still alive and active?

Map updated. I'll be uploading it and linking it momentarily. Verenburg, you're in.

to be fair, he just got his comp back [last i heard he was playing Doomsday :D] and has an assignment due errr... soonish? today? i dunno.

meanwhile, roll call!

who's still alive and active?

me I'm still hear and at the center (sorta) of the war.

I'm still in the RP, however about to be away for two weeks, thus not posting.

image hosting still not cooperating, huh, HT?

Yay, I was afraid that the Rp had died. Well for all of you who were waited for my return with baited breath here I am. *Bows* Now lets get back to the task at hand... raping Waldenburgers, and burning and pillaging his cities! We might want to gas a few of them too in retaliation.

Images are updated now. Now, to the task at hand! Riiight after a rest. I'm exhausted.

first and foremost we need a war mod.

that particular thread stalled in part because of that lack.


edit: oh, and the front page is still showing me the old map

Edit the second: no it's not... the update just failed to remove the two conquered nations. Ostiea no longer exists, most of it's mine, a little belongs to it's south and western neighbors. the czechal-prussian empire no longer exists, it apparently got eaten...

did you forget these things, HT? :D

it's not really updated if it's not up to date, you know :P

but rest's good for you, i suppose...

Hmmm. War mod, eh..? Is there anyone who's both active and not involved in this war?

official first job of anyone appointed war mod...

provide a summery so we can remember what the heck is going on *laughs*

if i remember rightly, I've broken through the lines, heavily damaged a port, sunk a few ships, and inflicted... Some damage on the other port...

also, most of the diplomacy in that thread takes place some time [probably Days] after my initial strike.

it was to take... what, a week, two weeks, before the mortars etc arrived to deal with the forts...

oh, i lost a leviathan...

what am i missing?

edit: oh yeah, HT already knows this, but Immyr and Lyon were given too much of Osteia's old territory when he updated the map. the border is further south west [not taking any of Immyr's original territory, mind]

just in case it ever matters.

Hmmm. War mod, eh..? Is there anyone who's both active and not involved in this war?

I would like to be a War Mod.

TG me if I am allowed/not allowed in and the jobs I do, etc. Thanks

Hmmm. War mod, eh..? Is there anyone who's both active and not involved in this war?

*Raises Hamd*

official first job of anyone appointed war mod...

provide a summery so we can remember what the heck is going on *laughs*


Here is my version of the timeline: HellifIknow.

Thanks Anger for mentioning the map, and of course, I don't expect to be appointed, just wanted to give Mal some competition; so to make sure he does a good job.

*Raises Hamd*



Here is my version of the timeline: HellifIknow.

Thanks Anger for mentioning the map, and of course, I don't expect to be appointed, just wanted to give Mal some competition; so to make sure he does a good job.

Very well. Good luck to you as well.

*shakes hand*

Well, since there's two of you, the only logical thing to do in this situation is to force you both to fight to the death using broken bottles for the position. And also for my amusement.

Or we could decide that two war mods would both improve activity in the game, give us a wider range of time they'd be on, and, furthermore, would allow more impartiality in rulings.

...Nahhhhh. I like the fighting to the death idea. Ready? Go!


In all seriousness, though, two war mods is better. Your job is essentially to sort out things people can't for themselves. You don't need to be involved in every conflict, in every post, just the ones you're requested in. If someone feels there's a need for a war mod, they can TG or PM you to get some assistance on the matter.

Keep in mind I'm putting you on largely on faith, 'cause this is going really slowly, and we need to speed the game up, so, for all of us, a list of rules involving war mods.

1) Rulings are more-or-less final. Unless they're obviously really really stupid or biased rulings, in which case you can appeal to another war mod or myself. Example of a stupid ruling would be ten dreadnoughts meeting another ten on the open sea, both players doing exactly the same thing, and one losing nine, and the other losing one.

2) War mods, only rule on things you've been asked to rule on. Keep it as freeform as possible.

3) Try and make rulings based on what you think would work better - if you believe one tactic is superior to another, post losses accordingly. You don't have to post specific losses - you might just want to say "Hyperspatial Travel takes around half again as much damage as Angermanland does. Work it out between yourselves.", based on the tactics and strategies used.

4) Try and give a brief explanation for a ruling. It doesn't need to detail every little thought process you have, but it should give people an idea of what they've done right or wrong. This also allows people to say "Hey, but-", so everyone ends up fairly satisfied. People thinking this is all fair is, in the end, more important than winning or losing.

HT can we restart the RP? And if you do so, i rather have it maybe year 1920s leading to WW2, that period ;)

best. mod rules. Ever.

or, you know, at least pretty good :)

err..

there's a war mod request for the whole 'to escape the problems of peace' thread at the moment.

as in, an over all review.

i can't explain properly without at Least sounding like I'm picking a fight, unfortunately.

urgh. go read, look. report. blah.

HT can we restart the RP? And if you do so, i rather have it maybe year 1920s leading to WW2, that period ;)

I'd favor more of a "soft" reset than that, if we did anything of the sort. resolve the current situations, click up a couple of years, remove the inactives, go from there.

a total reset kinda wastes all the effort put into it already, while shifting the date so completely means we may as well start a whole new RP [not to mention it changes the tech level Drastically]

Seriously i need a better location, i can do nothing seriously, my Nation is chucked aside by the bigger Nations and I invaded Herel which... um I haven't conquered? :confused:

capital N no less.

failure to conquer on the map probably has more to do with HT not noticing, while failing to do so in the RP has more to do with either losing, or inactivity.

inability to do anything has more to do with inactive neighbors and the war having not spiraled into a world war yet... [Germany responded slowly then the whole Waldenburg thing got in the way, and the treaty webs weren't big enough/finished yet]

as for being small... i don't think you're going to escape that one no matter What you do, if it's in any way related to NS nations.

besides, finishing that invasion would be part of such a 'soft reset'


IF, that is, it happened at all, which is entirely HT's call. a total reset might be worth it, maybe, depending what sort of state every thing's in.. but it's a waste of good work for a lot of players.

and yeah, pushing up the date and tech and so on gets tot he point where you may as well just starta new RP.

edit: oh, on the subject of better locations: the only better place for you, really [without clearing inactives] would have been that last slot in france.

capital N no less.

failure to conquer on the map probably has more to do with HT not noticing, while failing to do so in the RP has more to do with either losing, or inactivity.

inability to do anything has more to do with inactive neighbors and the war having not spiraled into a world war yet... [Germany responded slowly then the whole Waldenburg thing got in the way, and the treaty webs weren't big enough/finished yet]

as for being small... i don't think you're going to escape that one no matter What you do, if it's in any way related to NS nations.

besides, finishing that invasion would be part of such a 'soft reset'



IF, that is, it happened at all, which is entirely HT's call. a total reset might be worth it, maybe, depending what sort of state every thing's in.. but it's a waste of good work for a lot of players.

and yeah, pushing up the date and tech and so on gets tot he point where you may as well just starta new RP.

I find that the system used in this RP is also abit unfair... partly If ur in the game longer u get more land, and i dislike the fact many are have super duper armies 2 million in size and seem that they have the abilty to maintain them ...:rolleyes:

I find that the system used in this RP is also abit unfair... partly If ur in the game longer u get more land, and i dislike the fact many are have super duper armies 2 million in size and seem that they have the abilty to maintain them ...:rolleyes:

"many" being mostly "Maybe HT" and "people who should be shot for stupidity or have their nation collapse completely"

personally, I've only got a couple of hundred thousand, at best.

the extra land was colonies only, and only in the initial claims, and amounted to a whole lot of not much in most cases.

regardless, if you have such a problem with it, why are you here?

edit: unless you mean the fact that we used NS population?
every other system I've ever seen results in pure idiocy with regards to claims. half of Asia going to one person, for example, with the population there of going with it.

I find that the system used in this RP is also abit unfair...Constructive criticism should be taken to Department H, Building 12. partly If ur in the game longer u get more landNo you don't. There exist no system or rule I am aware of, which grants additional territories to players after a certain amount of time. and i dislike the fact many are have super duper armies 2 million in size and seem that they have the abilty to maintain them ...:rolleyes:Yes, I can see them now; the pale-faced number-wankers with the multimillion men armies they cannot maintain. They are hiding over there. Don't you see them, Angermanland?
They are all different kinds of people - fat, skinny, short and tall - with but one thing in common: they are out to wreck our fine RP with their terrible numberwank. How fortunate then, that none of them are in it.

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