NationStates Jolt Archive

-Laughs-
Thanks Undershi.

Infinite Crucible, to clarify Bretton's post a bit (the whole "bad things may happen" bit was due to an MSN conversation me and him had), the smaller weapons are fine, it's the main railgun that may have a problem if fired whilst filled full of salt water. Due to the conductivity and possibility of it gumming up the coolant tanks and so forth, it may explode since no one tested the railgun after it was fully immersed >.>

So...

Wouldn't news of Griffencrest's death be considered a negative thing being heard by the Griffencrest Corps footsloggers overseas?

Just a thought...

And now that the CEO is 'dead', who is the new head honcho?

So...

Wouldn't news of Griffencrest's death be considered a negative thing being heard by the Griffencrest Corps footsloggers overseas?

Just a thought...

And now that the CEO is 'dead', who is the new head honcho?

Some lucky secretary, leaping into the office and locking the door.

Some lucky secretary, leaping into the office and locking the door.

smart thinker that one

Due to the fact I do not like my allies on that front, I am withdrawing from the BC invasion thread, and will only contribute to the TWSP front. Good day.

Blackhelm, where, based on the map in TWSP's signature, have your forces landed in his nation?

Sorry for my absence. I'm back.

OK, right now I've got 800,000 regular Army soldiers in TPF alone, plus 20,000 airborn soldiers, 50,000 IIS soldiers, 14 Carrier Groups and a ton of aerial units... basically, I'm doing what I can, OK?

OK, right now I've got 800,000 regular Army soldiers in TPF alone, plus 20,000 airborn soldiers, 50,000 IIS soldiers, 14 Carrier Groups and a ton of aerial units... basically, I'm doing what I can, OK?

Where are the front lines, acording to the national map in TWSP's signature, in that war?

Blackhelm, where, based on the map in TWSP's signature, have your forces landed in his nation?

Initial landing zone was just slightly west of the naval base near St. John du Caen.

Well, Emporer Pudu, the current map most have agreed on is this one (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7890/untitled01ao8.png). The solid red would represent CA occupied territory.

Well, Emporer Pudu, the current map most have agreed on is this one (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7890/untitled01ao8.png). The solid red would represent CA occupied territory.

That is the single most helpfull thing anyone has shown me since I became confused!

Thank you!

That is the single most helpfull thing anyone has shown me since I became confused!

Thank you!

You are very welcome sir! It is good to know that I helped.

There we go. Now that that annoyance is over with. I would like to reassure everyone that what BH had imposed was things in the far past. Number wanking? Dude, man...I can sustain a military of twenty million personel. Notice, I said military. That does not bloody mean I have 20 million troops. Also, the Dominators were Draftroom approved. So, if there are any more complaints, please see to it that you ask Cravan. Because I've had it with all of this flaming bullshit. If you can't take it, go get you some ice cream.

There we go. Now that that annoyance is over with. I would like to reassure everyone that what BH had imposed was things in the far past. Number wanking? Dude, man...I can sustain a military of twenty million personel. Notice, I said military. That does not bloody mean I have 20 million troops. Also, the Dominators were Draftroom approved. So, if there are any more complaints, please see to it that you ask Cravan. Because I've had it with all of this flaming bullshit. If you can't take it, go get you some ice cream.

1) You've had several civil wars and coups. Do you know how much turmoil your nation would be in? I'm sure that internal problems would come before outside problems.

2) The draftroom means absolutely nothing to a lot of people. I myself could care or less about what the draftroom could say about whatever. Anyone who has enough time to evaluate fake designs.. well, I wont get into that.

Then, how about the fact that the Dominator has been recognised and is being used by the GASN, Dominion, ADAN, and many other alliances?

Then, how about the fact that the Dominator has been recognised and is being used by the GASN, Dominion, ADAN, and many other alliances?

Because you're in all of them?

*runs away*

Zukariaa;11795616']1) You've had several civil wars and coups. Do you know how much turmoil your nation would be in? I'm sure that internal problems would come before outside problems.

2) The draftroom means absolutely nothing to a lot of people. I myself could care or less about what the draftroom could say about whatever. Anyone who has enough time to evaluate fake designs.. well, I wont get into that.

With respect, to number two, this is a hobby for some people, and some regulating force needs to be in effect.

Because you're in all of them?

*runs away*

?

Because you're in all of them?

*runs away*

http://packy.dardan.com/walky/albums/album11/ail.gif

Because you're in all of them?

*runs away*

Yes, I was in most of them. That's the only way how you can acquire them.:rolleyes:

http://packy.dardan.com/walky/albums/album11/ail.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA LMAOO ROFL

Yes, I was in most of them. That's the only way how you can acquire them.:rolleyes:

Don't bother; he's long gone.

Well... aparently the World Soviet Party is just going to ignore the invasion from now on out...

Well... aparently the World Soviet Party is just going to ignore the invasion from now on out...

Yeah, anyways...Pudu..whom shall we invade next? I need to improve my RP reputation.

Yeah, anyways...Pudu..whom shall we invade next? I need to improve my RP reputation.

Me.

Me.

I would never ever think about invading you. Because you are not only an ally, but a good friend.

I would never ever think about invading you. Because you are not only an ally, but a good friend.

lol true.

lol true.

What's your email again?! I forgot it!!!

Yeah, anyways...Pudu..whom shall we invade next? I need to improve my RP reputation.

Invading doesn't improve anything, if anything, it destroys reputations.

Defending and giving humanitarian aid (along with some good RPing) improves reputation.

If 2nd party nation in question is very unpopular, do the opposite.

Invading doesn't improve anything, if anything, it destroys reputations.

Defending and giving humanitarian aid (along with some good RPing) improves reputation.

If 2nd party nation in question is very unpopular, do the opposite.

Fine, I'll go save the world....again...

[looks for other major non-NS-variant conflicts; which doesn't either involve CA or GASN]

Um,

Zanski has a lil civil war... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501546) pick someone to defend, and from who, and do it.

Some terrorists blew up a church... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501758) real originality in that one...

And there are still some zombies hanging on for dear unlife. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497806) (though it is a character RP and not nation)

Help the Space Marines fight against the Emperor's Foes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502730)

You forgot this one =p

Invading doesn't improve anything, if anything, it destroys reputations.

Defending and giving humanitarian aid (along with some good RPing) improves reputation.

If 2nd party nation in question is very unpopular, do the opposite.

I'd say your reputation is based more off of how well you RP than what you actually do. That, however, is just me.

Me.

I'd invade you...

I'd say your reputation is based more off of how well you RP than what you actually do. That, however, is just me.

Or maybe a little of both.

Look at Kraven, he is a "household" name, and he is known both for his Capitol Police and imperialism, as well as his ability to tell a story.



EDIT: Also! I have to advertise this new RP I found. It's a kind of past-tech different nations thing, but it's cool. Come join! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499949)

Pudu, I need your assistance in helping me create an evil corporation of my own. :rolleyes: So that I can have more troops..yadyada.

Or maybe a little of both.

Look at Kraven, he is a "household" name, and he is known both for his Capitol Police and imperialism, as well as his ability to tell a story.



EDIT: Also! I have to advertise this new RP I found. It's a kind of past-tech different nations thing, but it's cool. Come join! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499949)

like how he tells the way his troops are born

like how he tells the way his troops are born

Read my factbook, he's not the only one.

Pudu, I need your assistance in helping me create an evil corporation of my own. :rolleyes: So that I can have more troops..yadyada.

More civil unrest for Dephire?


-unrest- (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/615/baby20bloc20pictures20002ne1.jpg)

Read my factbook, he's not the only one.

i dont think i what too if its like KC

i dont think i what too if its like KC

Hmm?

-factbook- (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Emporer_Pudu)

More civil unrest for Dephire?


-unrest- (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/615/baby20bloc20pictures20002ne1.jpg)

I'm just sick of hearing how powerful Kraven is, when he can't really support such large armies. It's also kind of funny for me getting flamed for number-wanking and not other people. So, I want to expand Dephire into either a superpowerful Empire (as before) or just make it an expansive and vast corporation...

I'm just sick of hearing how powerful Kraven is, when he can't really support such large armies. It's also kind of funny for me getting flamed for number-wanking and not other people. So, I want to expand Dephire into either a superpowerful Empire (as before) or just make it an expansive and vast corporation...

Everyone recognises the many nations Kraven has annexed, as well as the way his naiton works.

My do you complain, you can have a military of one-hundred and sixteen million and two-hundred men, including logistics and what not, but still. This is not bad. Just don't go off invading Kraven and Automagfreek, and you'll do fine with it.

Mine is not much bigger, as I take a smaller portion of my population to make up for my soldiers high cost per man. Anyway, the fact of their excelent training and modifications will even it out, on some levels.

Hmm?

-factbook- (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Emporer_Pudu)

ok your is not sick like his
its a good read

when i read his i was just pissed but too pissed that i couldnt read it that when i did get to bed it give one hell of a dream

ok your is not sick like his
its a good read

when i read his i was just pissed but too pissed that i couldnt read it that when i did get to bed it give one hell of a dream

:D

:D

more like hell lot of peolpe made sick when they find out what happen to all the female
oh it was set in RL

i well never get pissed again read things like that again

Dephire, all this stuff you've been saying for a long time about your reputation both IC and OOC, I have some things to address about that: You have received a fairly bad reputation, both IC and OOC, for ignoring real-world constraints, taking IC things personally OOC, overreacting to things, and other such stuff. Some stuff to say to that:

I noticed, while I was systematically destroying your military, that you seemed to want to instantly abandon it and switch to being a nation that didn't want to be in that war. That is completely understandably IC. If my nation was being destroyed because of its choices and government type and hundreds of thousands of my countrymen were dying, I'd want a new government too. What you failed to realize about this is that governmental change causes a lot of strife and unrest. There will always be people that support the old government. You had a series of civil wars. Well, when you have civil wars, lots of people die. On the other hand, lots of people don't die, even from the losing side. Let's say one million people fight one million people, Side 1 wins and loses 50,000 people, and Side 2 loses and loses 100,000 people. Great. Side 1 rules the country now. problem is, there's 900,000 people left over that hate Side 1's rule. And while they may not directly oppose it, they still don't like it. Strife. Unrest. Protests.

You can't have a civil war, a coup, another civil war and then another coup and expect your nation to be exactly the same afterwards. It doesn't work. These are real-world constraints. Let's look at a couple of real-world examples:

Spain in the 30s and 40s: An unpopular government decided to hand all power over to the monarchy in 1932. People hated this, so in 1934 there was a coup and a democratic government was instated. However, leftover strains of monarchists and the polarization of Spanish politics to the two extremes of left- and right-wing led to a breakdown of law and order and a violent and brutal civil war which lasted three years and emerged with Franco's fascists victorious. He then didn't enter WWII because his nation was too badly beaten up and he didn't like Hitler, and proceeded to spend years and years rebuilding the country before he could do anything else, because three years of fighting had destroyed its industrial and production capacities. Franco never fought another war, but more importantly, he couldn't have. That was after two forceful government changes and one civil war.

Russia/USSR from 1917: A fairly democratic coup in the late winter forced the czar to hand over power. Then another coup in the fall put the bolsheviks in power and signed a peace treaty with Germany. There was then a brutal civil war which lasted for four years and after it the communists emerged victorious. Lenin died. Stalin then spent years tearing down the series of checks and balances Lenin had put in place so he could seize ultimate power and then spent some time starving or shooting all his politicial enemies to death so no-one could fight against him. The Soviet military was a joke. They threw over 10:1 odds against Finland and lost for months on end. When Germany invaded them they were soundly beaten for the first twelve months of the war. This was twenty years after the civil war, and they still weren't completely rebuilt to the equivalent of the military and economic powerhouse that Russia once was (Before the 1900s). After two coups and a civil war.

Do you see what we're getting at? There are real-world constraints. Stalin only got away with not being overthrown because he killed everyone that disagreed with him. You, on the other hand, have emerged from a number of international wars, two civil wars, and two coups without any lasting repercussions to your country.



Now, on the subject of a large military:

Yes, large militaries do exist on NationStates. Countries are big. Military might is a big factor. Militaries are big. What militaries are not is perfect. Yes, you may be able to field over a hundred million troops. So what? You obviously don't actually employ all those people all the time as soldiers, otherwise you will pay a lot of money in paychecks. Instead, you have reserves, or a draft, or semi-professional forces, or whatever. That's fine and normal.

But all those people have jobs. Mobilizing them for war, deploying fifteen million people to one theatre (Danteri, for instance), will lose all those jobs and create a huge economic vacuum. The largest cases of these in real life were WWI and WWII, and those vacuums were filled by women, who up until then had not worked. Even so, tha vacuum was still there, and the economies of some nations (Germany post-WWI, for instance) were destroyed by fielding huge armies and losing so many jobs from the workforce.

Here on NS, massive numbers of troops can be used. It's fine and normal. But what you have to realize is logistics carry consequences. Havign millions of men deployed creates a serious strain on your economy and your home front.


On numberwanking: Mostly it's about your big rail cannons, which as far as I can tell are taken directly from the Stonehenge cannon from Ace Combat IV (or V?) and then made bigger for the other ones. Yes, they're draftroom-approved. Big deal.

That means they're technically possible, or feasable, or whatever, for PMT. What you have to bear in mind are these points:
Some people don't respect the Draftroom. They think the people there are too easygoing and there's no way some of the things there are feasable, like superdreadnoughts or massive rail cannons. They will tell you so at every opportunity.
These cannons are Post-Modern Tech. A lot of people, myself included, play modern tech only. That means they don't want huge rail cannons being used on them. I have to say, if I'm ever involved in an MT RP with you again and you use those, whether with me or against me, I will ignore their use. If they're used against me, I will ignore the damage from them and deny their very existence. If they're used against my enemies, I will ask them not to pay attention to any of those posts involving those, and we will carry on. Nothing against you, it's just the truth about what I will do.
It's bad RPing. You saw the backlash to Tocrowkia's use of nukes? Lots of people saying 'It ruins RPs' and other stuff like that. These are exactly the same. You claim they destroy something like five square miles from point of impact. That's not only a huge blast radius, it's also horrible RPing. How are you supposed to respond to that? You're not, that's how. It just ruins everybody's day, and you're left saying 'Where'd everybody go?'
You claim to have huge numbers of them. Adding to my previous points, you then say 'Yes, there are two hundred of these defending my homeland, and they can shoot halfway round the world.' Wow. That sounds like fun to RP against.
It's all you talk about. When you talk about war, you don't talk about RPing a grunt to add flavour. You don't talk about the generals deciding where to invade. You don't talk about this or that, you don't talk about fleets or armies or air forces. You just talk about whatever the hell you're doing with these rail cannons, and that's bullshit and horrible RPing.



I think most of the confusion between IC/OOC affairs has already been dealt with in regards to you (Long story short, don't do it), so I'll move on to my last point, about reputation:

You have talked in the past about how you have a horrible reputation and want to get rid of it. That's fine, and, to be honest, ICly you do. My nation hates you. Doesn't mean I hate you. OOCly, I think you're an all right guy. But ICly, I hate you. Now, I noticed after the war in Danteri, you pulled out a desire to reverse your nation and even join an alliance you were just at war with. That doesn't work. If France had asked Germany to be allies the next day after being crushed in the Franco-Prussian War, Bismarck would probably have given back a very rude answer. Reputation takes time to get rid of. I used to have a reputation, back in 2003, of being something I'm definitely not now (Not a bad reputation, I'll have you know. Just a different one.)

But the United States doesn't have a reputation for being a rebellious colony anymore. It did, once. Once it and Britain hated each other. They fought two wars. Now they're inseperable. Funny, that. But it happened. It can happen to you, too. It just takes time. Given time, the United States went from hating Britain in 1817 to allied with them in 1917. It took a hundred years (time) but it happened, and it worked out all right for them.

Shit happens. Your reputation takes a turn in the mud. But give it time, stand back a bit, wait for IC leaders to forget about you, and then come back in with a refreshing break from what you used to be. The way to improve your reputation is not to decide who to invade next, when you've already been in shit with a lot of nations for doing that and you have a reputation you want to get rid of for numberwanking and warmongering. Give it time. Try out some other stuff. Help out some nations that are being fucked around. When it's been a while, then try again from a different perspective.




Fin.

Haraki, if I might say, that is one of the best rants I have read in a long time.

Haraki, if I might say, that is one of the best rants I have read in a long time.

Indubitably.

It was a pretty awesome post.

What about Nigeria?
You went on and on about Spain and Russia, but then forgot about Sierra Leone and Nigeria.

Nigeria gained independance in 1960
3 back to back military Coups in 1966
Civil war of seccession in 1967
Became democracy again in 1993
Another riot
1998, elected ruler found dead, assasination perhaps?

Former general Obsanjo (elected 2003) is now in power, and the country is now rapidly building its economy and military power without resorting to purges. All it took was a very powerful and charismatic leader (which happen to be very rare) and for him to ask for the poeple not to revolt during the next round of elections, and to respect the other's right to differances of opinion.

See also Germany 1918-1936

Just happened to study Nigeria in AP comparative polotics.

What about Nigeria?
You went on and on about Spain and Russia, but then forgot about Sierra Leone and Nigeria.

Nigeria gained independance in 1960
3 back to back military Coups in 1966
Civil war of seccession in 1967
Became democracy again in 1993
Another riot
1998, elected ruler found dead, assasination perhaps?

Former general Obsanjo (elected 2003) is now in power, and the country is now rapidly building its economy and military power without resorting to purges. All it took was a very powerful and charismatic leader (which happen to be very rare) and for him to ask for the poeple not to revolt during the next round of elections, and to respect the other's right to differances of opinion.

See also Germany 1918-1936

Just happened to study Nigeria in AP comparative polotics.

Praise The Lord and Pass more Info HT :cool:

Well, up to a point, Haraki is correct.

At least until a powerful leader figure shows up.

Hitler used a 'common enemy' (minorities) and used a polotical war against them as a unifying force for his country, and it should be noted, that Germany was in the worst world depression (far worse than the one in America) and the poeple there eventually in spite of this, gain a better quality of living than the French (hence their eagerness to surender, as their rations actually improved if you happened to be of the "master race", while others could look forward to living in servitude at a labor camp)

Hitler had a very good propoganda system, nothing like seeing the Graff Zeplin with a banner telling everybody to elect Hitler ans Chancellor

Hitler appealed to the people stating that they were the best, and therefore better act like it.

Hitler did not succeed at getting into power from his abortive Munich Coup, but rather he was freely elected, and passed by one vote.

Obsanjo used a less drastic method to unify the nation:
His personal record and reputation as collateral.(Much like General Degaull, Ghandi, or even Malcom X did) [people trust him]

He appealed to the people's desire for peace and stability, having been wrought with strife for a number of years. (Again, see Malcom X)

He had a large number of backers and followers.

(I read his [translated] inaugeration speech, and in it he urged others not to riot in the streets)

Sierra Leone was, and somewhat remains, a mess. But much less of a mess. I studied Sierra Leone in a topic for debate proving/dissproving that UNPKOs are ineffective.

I find it odd that I don't even get mention in Pudu's factbook, oh well.

Thanks mate. Now I know what to do to turn myself around.

Well, up to a point, Haraki is correct.

At least until a powerful leader figure shows up.

Hitler used a 'common enemy' (minorities) and used a polotical war against them as a unifying force for his country, and it should be noted, that Germany was in the worst world depression (far worse than the one in America) and the poeple there eventually in spite of this, gain a better quality of living than the French (hence their eagerness to surender, as their rations actually improved if you happened to be of the "master race", while others could look forward to living in servitude at a labor camp)

Hitler had a very good propoganda system, nothing like seeing the Graff Zeplin with a banner telling everybody to elect Hitler ans Chancellor

Hitler appealed to the people stating that they were the best, and therefore better act like it.

Hitler did not succeed at getting into power from his abortive Munich Coup, but rather he was freely elected, and passed by one vote.

Obsanjo used a less drastic method to unify the nation:
His personal record and reputation as collateral.(Much like General Degaull, Ghandi, or even Malcom X did) [people trust him]

He appealed to the people's desire for peace and stability, having been wrought with strife for a number of years. (Again, see Malcom X)

He had a large number of backers and followers.

(I read his [translated] inaugeration speech, and in it he urged others not to riot in the streets)

Sierra Leone was, and somewhat remains, a mess. But much less of a mess. I studied Sierra Leone in a topic for debate proving/dissproving that UNPKOs are ineffective.

I find it odd that I don't even get mention in Pudu's factbook, oh well.

I think you count as "Global Alliance of Soverign Nations", although if you want a special mention, I'll make you a special item.

While everyone is complaining about Dephire, who is at least understanding and... not annoying...

Hataria is off in the other thread, ignoring multiple large fleets at once. *points finger*

OOC: i think we should........The TWSP is getting cogged by OOC's

So stop ignoring things!

Also, stop clogging Kraven's RP with stuff that doesn't mater to them...

Dephire, all this stuff you've been saying for a long time about your reputation both IC and OOC, I have some things to address about that: You have received a fairly bad reputation, both IC and OOC, for ignoring real-world constraints, taking IC things personally OOC, overreacting to things, and other such stuff. Some stuff to say to that:

I noticed, while I was systematically destroying your military, that you seemed to want to instantly abandon it and switch to being a nation that didn't want to be in that war. That is completely understandably IC. If my nation was being destroyed because of its choices and government type and hundreds of thousands of my countrymen were dying, I'd want a new government too. What you failed to realize about this is that governmental change causes a lot of strife and unrest. There will always be people that support the old government. You had a series of civil wars. Well, when you have civil wars, lots of people die. On the other hand, lots of people don't die, even from the losing side. Let's say one million people fight one million people, Side 1 wins and loses 50,000 people, and Side 2 loses and loses 100,000 people. Great. Side 1 rules the country now. problem is, there's 900,000 people left over that hate Side 1's rule. And while they may not directly oppose it, they still don't like it. Strife. Unrest. Protests.

You can't have a civil war, a coup, another civil war and then another coup and expect your nation to be exactly the same afterwards. It doesn't work. These are real-world constraints. Let's look at a couple of real-world examples:

Spain in the 30s and 40s: An unpopular government decided to hand all power over to the monarchy in 1932. People hated this, so in 1934 there was a coup and a democratic government was instated. However, leftover strains of monarchists and the polarization of Spanish politics to the two extremes of left- and right-wing led to a breakdown of law and order and a violent and brutal civil war which lasted three years and emerged with Franco's fascists victorious. He then didn't enter WWII because his nation was too badly beaten up and he didn't like Hitler, and proceeded to spend years and years rebuilding the country before he could do anything else, because three years of fighting had destroyed its industrial and production capacities. Franco never fought another war, but more importantly, he couldn't have. That was after two forceful government changes and one civil war.

Russia/USSR from 1917: A fairly democratic coup in the late winter forced the czar to hand over power. Then another coup in the fall put the bolsheviks in power and signed a peace treaty with Germany. There was then a brutal civil war which lasted for four years and after it the communists emerged victorious. Lenin died. Stalin then spent years tearing down the series of checks and balances Lenin had put in place so he could seize ultimate power and then spent some time starving or shooting all his politicial enemies to death so no-one could fight against him. The Soviet military was a joke. They threw over 10:1 odds against Finland and lost for months on end. When Germany invaded them they were soundly beaten for the first twelve months of the war. This was twenty years after the civil war, and they still weren't completely rebuilt to the equivalent of the military and economic powerhouse that Russia once was (Before the 1900s). After two coups and a civil war.

Do you see what we're getting at? There are real-world constraints. Stalin only got away with not being overthrown because he killed everyone that disagreed with him. You, on the other hand, have emerged from a number of international wars, two civil wars, and two coups without any lasting repercussions to your country.



Now, on the subject of a large military:

Yes, large militaries do exist on NationStates. Countries are big. Military might is a big factor. Militaries are big. What militaries are not is perfect. Yes, you may be able to field over a hundred million troops. So what? You obviously don't actually employ all those people all the time as soldiers, otherwise you will pay a lot of money in paychecks. Instead, you have reserves, or a draft, or semi-professional forces, or whatever. That's fine and normal.

But all those people have jobs. Mobilizing them for war, deploying fifteen million people to one theatre (Danteri, for instance), will lose all those jobs and create a huge economic vacuum. The largest cases of these in real life were WWI and WWII, and those vacuums were filled by women, who up until then had not worked. Even so, tha vacuum was still there, and the economies of some nations (Germany post-WWI, for instance) were destroyed by fielding huge armies and losing so many jobs from the workforce.

Here on NS, massive numbers of troops can be used. It's fine and normal. But what you have to realize is logistics carry consequences. Havign millions of men deployed creates a serious strain on your economy and your home front.


On numberwanking: Mostly it's about your big rail cannons, which as far as I can tell are taken directly from the Stonehenge cannon from Ace Combat IV (or V?) and then made bigger for the other ones. Yes, they're draftroom-approved. Big deal.

That means they're technically possible, or feasable, or whatever, for PMT. What you have to bear in mind are these points:
Some people don't respect the Draftroom. They think the people there are too easygoing and there's no way some of the things there are feasable, like superdreadnoughts or massive rail cannons. They will tell you so at every opportunity.
These cannons are Post-Modern Tech. A lot of people, myself included, play modern tech only. That means they don't want huge rail cannons being used on them. I have to say, if I'm ever involved in an MT RP with you again and you use those, whether with me or against me, I will ignore their use. If they're used against me, I will ignore the damage from them and deny their very existence. If they're used against my enemies, I will ask them not to pay attention to any of those posts involving those, and we will carry on. Nothing against you, it's just the truth about what I will do.
It's bad RPing. You saw the backlash to Tocrowkia's use of nukes? Lots of people saying 'It ruins RPs' and other stuff like that. These are exactly the same. You claim they destroy something like five square miles from point of impact. That's not only a huge blast radius, it's also horrible RPing. How are you supposed to respond to that? You're not, that's how. It just ruins everybody's day, and you're left saying 'Where'd everybody go?'
You claim to have huge numbers of them. Adding to my previous points, you then say 'Yes, there are two hundred of these defending my homeland, and they can shoot halfway round the world.' Wow. That sounds like fun to RP against.
It's all you talk about. When you talk about war, you don't talk about RPing a grunt to add flavour. You don't talk about the generals deciding where to invade. You don't talk about this or that, you don't talk about fleets or armies or air forces. You just talk about whatever the hell you're doing with these rail cannons, and that's bullshit and horrible RPing.



I think most of the confusion between IC/OOC affairs has already been dealt with in regards to you (Long story short, don't do it), so I'll move on to my last point, about reputation:

You have talked in the past about how you have a horrible reputation and want to get rid of it. That's fine, and, to be honest, ICly you do. My nation hates you. Doesn't mean I hate you. OOCly, I think you're an all right guy. But ICly, I hate you. Now, I noticed after the war in Danteri, you pulled out a desire to reverse your nation and even join an alliance you were just at war with. That doesn't work. If France had asked Germany to be allies the next day after being crushed in the Franco-Prussian War, Bismarck would probably have given back a very rude answer. Reputation takes time to get rid of. I used to have a reputation, back in 2003, of being something I'm definitely not now (Not a bad reputation, I'll have you know. Just a different one.)

But the United States doesn't have a reputation for being a rebellious colony anymore. It did, once. Once it and Britain hated each other. They fought two wars. Now they're inseperable. Funny, that. But it happened. It can happen to you, too. It just takes time. Given time, the United States went from hating Britain in 1817 to allied with them in 1917. It took a hundred years (time) but it happened, and it worked out all right for them.

Shit happens. Your reputation takes a turn in the mud. But give it time, stand back a bit, wait for IC leaders to forget about you, and then come back in with a refreshing break from what you used to be. The way to improve your reputation is not to decide who to invade next, when you've already been in shit with a lot of nations for doing that and you have a reputation you want to get rid of for numberwanking and warmongering. Give it time. Try out some other stuff. Help out some nations that are being fucked around. When it's been a while, then try again from a different perspective.




Fin.


Superdreadnoughts aren't feasible?Every player Iv'e played with hasn't had a problem with that. =0

Superdreadnoughts aren't feasible?Every player Iv'e played with hasn't had a problem with that. =0

*raises hand*

I enjoy super dreadnoughts!

My largest is only a thousand or so meters long though, so it isn't really that big... Although I do maintain a Hood.

*raises hand*

I enjoy super dreadnoughts!

My largest is only a thousand or so kilometers long though, so it isn't really that big... Although I do maintain a Hood.


a thousand Kilometers =0 people were companing at Dephire's 2.2

a thousand Kilometers =0 people were companing at Dephire's 2.2

Gurrphff!

I meant meters!

My largest SD is about 1,890 meters long.

The 2.2 Km was a bit underthought. I was thinking of a ship that could actually house a Dominator...but I'm selling those off to the highest bidder to make way for more efficient and useful things...

Size doesn't matter (well, it does, but not as much as people think or for the same reasons), capabilities do.

Size doesn't matter (well, it does, but not as much as people think or for the same reasons), capabilities do.

I guess your right...like being able to not buckle in the water..

I guess your right...like being able to not buckle in the water..

And, smaller is cheaper and thus more numerous.

Large is larger though, thus extending your nations naval penis and manly-man-ness.

Large is larger though, thus extending your nations naval penis and manly-man-ness.

Which is why I love SD's :rolleyes:

Large is larger though, thus extending your nations naval penis and manly-man-ness.

Which is what the Hood is for!

It's also what the Defiance and Drevin were for as well...

Large is larger though, thus extending your nations naval penis and manly-man-ness.

Arn't you a girl? ._.

manly-women-ness = icky D:<

I think you count as "Global Alliance of Soverign Nations", although if you want a special mention, I'll make you a special item.

Well, the reason why is because even after I killed a few of your men /w/ leaflets (yes everybody, leaflets; get over it, those were big sharp leaflets and Pudites don't believe in medics) and all the other fairly odd and reletively positive relations with your men in Chitzeland (perhaps since my force is a few mercenaries just doing their job, and was willing to give you peace and land for a 'reasonable' price) has led me to belive I'm in a slightly better standing than the GASN overall, at least with you.

Pirate: I'll kill you, but first, I'll answer 3 questions.

"Why do you have a peg leg?"
Shark ate it
"Hook for a hand?"
Cut off in return for my life
"Eyepatch"
Sand in eye
"that wouldn't do it"
It was my first time with the hook for a hand...

Well, the reason why is because even after I killed a few of your men /w/ leaflets (yes everybody, leaflets; get over it, those were big sharp leaflets and Pudites don't believe in medics) and all the other fairly odd and reletively positive relations with your men in Chitzeland (perhaps since my force is a few mercenaries just doing their job, and was willing to give you peace and land for a 'reasonable' price) has led me to belive I'm in a slightly better standing than the GASN overall, at least with you.

You are correct, we like you more than the rest of the GASN, and the leaflet thing may require a special mention...

You are correct, we like you more than the rest of the GASN, and the leaflet thing may require a special mention...

Pretty sure OOCly you thought those were HE shells...

Still...

It's as funnier when I accept them as leaflets killing Pudites...
Since you later said there is no such thing as wounded in your army, therefore "casaulty" is a eupheism for dead/dying.

Still puzzles me how 2 shells of leaflets (albiet 5=18" shells) killed people...

Pretty sure OOCly you thought those were HE shells...

Still...

It's as funnier when I accept them as leaflets killing Pudites...
Since you later said there is no such thing as wounded in your army, therefore "casaulty" is a eupheism for dead/dying.

Still puzzles me how 2 shells of leaflets (albiet 5=18" shells) killed people...

At the time, I did think you had started shelling me with actual explosives, albeit few.

But... leaflets make for a better war story.

Keep it up and assault rifles will be replaced by styrofoam packing chips...

And "lasercats" (http://www.nbc.com/Video/videos/snl_1445_lasercats.shtml)

Hmm, Griffencrest oil, Styrofoam packaging, and lasers...

I smell napalm...

Keep it up and assault rifles will be replaced by styrofoam packing chips...

And "lasercats"

O.o

Lasercat... 'twill be the death of me yet...

Large is larger though, thus extending your nations naval penis and manly-man-ness.

Dude, get off my lawn.

Dude, get off my lawn.

*Mows lawn, then jumps on horse and rides into the sunset.*

Blackhelm: Mind if I start a thread detailing my privateering efforts shortly? Probably against your tankers, as they're rather rich targets, and the Chimera privateers can probably take their escorts.

*Mows lawn, then jumps on horse and rides into the sunset.*

Btw, do you still want drawing for your boat? I still have it saved but since yo stopped going on IRC I didn't do anymore on it.

Btw, do you still want drawing for your boat? I still have it saved but since yo stopped going on IRC I didn't do anymore on it.

Yes, certainly. I didn't really "stop" going on IRC, I've just been busy as of late.

Oi! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11819421#post11819421)

BC, what kind of easy targets can I expect for this little covert operation? (Please note, this is not underway by Harakian forces but rather independent mercenaries with no ties to Haraki (Except Tim Byrne, who happens to be Harakian by birth and training). Anyone attempting to retaliate against Haraki for this will be ignored, because it's not Haraki.)

By easy targets I mean buildings/factories/executives in countries other than the Blackhelm Confederacy. Once I'm done with those, I'll move on to the meat and potatoes.

Hmmm... Haraki seems to be entering the fight against the CA... and from what I know of Haraki, that means bad news for us...

Technically it's not Haraki the nation, rather Haraki the player looking for a new RP.

But thanks. And I hope to have fun with this one.

I would join the fight against the CA, but I still need to restore my country. Hell, I still have those twelve million men and women in the territory north of Danteri that can't be shipped out without help. Any thoughts?

Thanks for what? I was just telling the truth. You're an excelent RP-er, and my nation has an IC inferiority complex towards Haraki because you guys were the only ones to ever make us back down. (Remember, back in the Dantiri Civil War thread?) Plus, you've got ex-Admiral Simon Randalph who's told your guys all about all the weaknesses of our ships and planes...

Even Though Demon 666 is appearing to win the Battle of The Sea of Japan, Undershi is losing.

Oi! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11819421#post11819421)

BC, what kind of easy targets can I expect for this little covert operation? (Please note, this is not underway by Harakian forces but rather independent mercenaries with no ties to Haraki (Except Tim Byrne, who happens to be Harakian by birth and training). Anyone attempting to retaliate against Haraki for this will be ignored, because it's not Haraki.)

By easy targets I mean buildings/factories/executives in countries other than the Blackhelm Confederacy. Once I'm done with those, I'll move on to the meat and potatoes.

But really, folks.

Blackhelm, please don't ignore me.

And Undershi, even if you are telling the truth, it still warrants a thanks. After all, whether the truth or not, it's a compliment.

Yeah, Blackhelm - maybe you should consider paying attention to Haraki? And Haraki, you interested in RPing with me again anytime soon?

Yeah, sure, Undershi. What did you have in mind?

And this whole 'Blackhelm ignoring me' thing is starting to get on my nerves. I harken back to the good old days when if you ignored a legitimate IC action (Not 'OMFG I N00KZ JOO!' but something actually real and properly RPed, like the thread I posted) everyone would ignore you in return. Which is why everyone was scared of the GDODAD back in the day.

Which leads me to another interesting IC option: Blackhelm continues to ignore me, and I start RPing blowing up his stuff anyway. If he still refuses to RP with me for whatever reason, everyone else that feels like it can feel free to ignore anything he states about the targets I blew up because, ICly, they're gone. Not sure whether that would count as godmoding or not. yes, I would be assigning losses to someone else's stuff, but with fair warning beforehand (i.e. this post) and continuous ignoring of properly done IC actions, I think ti would be pretty much justified.

All right! Now we're moving!

Sorry for assuming you were ignoring me, BC.

Although ... What assets does Blackhelm have in other nations? Because the most heavily guarded targets are not quite what I had in mind for the beginning stages of this RP. On the other hand, if you really want me to, I'll give a shot at the Corporate Island. On the other hand, some smaller, easier targets would probably be much more likely to be targeted first. Office buildings, factories, rich executives, that sort of thing.

Well, do you want military or financial targets, I have literally dozens of nations which I have things in.

I'm looking for any targets in any nations. I know you have dozens of coutnries you have stuff in. I'll start with financial, they'll be easier targets and probably less heavily defended. If you could just give me a few to pick from to start, that'd be great and I can work with it from there.

Okay, well Egyptianstan is a Confederate tributary state (I think that guy is gone) but Griffincrest outsources a lot of stuff there. Beiraq is a big place with Griffincrest too, and most high ranking executives have vacation homes there. There are others too, thats just the two with the most targets.

All right. With those, I should have enough targets for a little while. Egyptianistan no longer exists, so I'm going to assume that anything there is fair game and probably strike there first. I'm going to assume that thanks to outsourcing, most of the stuff there will be manufacturing-based, largely factories and resource-gathering operations. Beiraq will probably be more of the same but with more offices as well, and executive vacation homes?

I think I'll probably start with Egyptianstan, as since he's gone it'll be easier working there. What was the government and situation there like before the nation died?

I don't know what his capitol was when we took it, but it is renamed Caesaria, and there are a lot of Griffincrest office buildings there, alot of customer support type things, stuff like that, as well as factories and the like.

Hey, if this thread is back, I'd like to know something.

Is the TWSP RP going to go anywhere, or is he just ignoring the invasion...

If he ignores it, than we divy up what we gained.

If he ignores it, than we divy up what we gained.

That works, but I would so like to crush his nation...

I have a grudge.

Same here - even if I was being a bit of a "peacnik" (albeit only when you consider the standards of Evil Dictatorships,) I still don't like TWSP. Anyways, Remember the Battle of Gomez Valley!!! (Where the 122nd IIS Storm Trooper Division got wiped out.)
Now, Haraki, about that RP... I don't know. Right now I'm involved in major occupation duties in a nation about six times as large as mine... which can be annoying... however, how about I assemble my own "A Team" and send it after anti-CA factions... and, because my nation has a grudge against yours, we target you guys as well. Is that a good idea?

OOC: Undershi, I assumed your men left after the invasion failed. Sorry about that.

That was an I.M from BC on AIM btw.

Undershi, do you have AIM?

No, I do not have AIM, or any other IM-ing service. I know, that makes me seem Amish, but it's the case. Sorry.

No, I do not have AIM, or any other IM-ing service. I know, that makes me seem Amish, but it's the case. Sorry.

Do you have a yahoo Id, or an MSN/hotmail e-mail address? If so just download their IM client. Your e-mail address is your IM id.

Sounds good to me, Undershi. You should be aware, however, that IC actions such as raids, attacks and other such stuff on Harakians or Haraki-held territory will provoke, in essence, a full-on declaration of war. And, since Gholgoth's been itching for a fight and IC really doesn't like you, it is possible that some other people would get involved on my side. Gholgothians especially don't like people killing citizens or soldiers of any other Gholgothian nation.

Not saying you shouldn't do it. Just fair warning. And I certainly would like to RP something along the lines you seem to have in mind.

Hmmm... how about an all regular human team, for which Undershi can maintain "plausible deniability"? Do you think we could get away with that?

I think for that it would definitely depend how many people, what they were striking, what equipment they have, that sort of thing. You know, the devil's in the details sort of thing.

Okay, I'm ready to begin... I'll start a new thread in a little, with an ATTN Haraki in its title, OK?